Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Berapa target koreksi IHSG menurut Elliot Wave?
Ms. banking...what a name... it is a good question and only God knows how to answer it Anyway, if we have good observation over fund flows including scheduled of bonds issue and maturity either in domestic and world markets you will be the champion in investment...This will lead you to know than some hedged funds that were coming in to the jakarta market (in example) when the main index hit its three month low of 1274 on June 14 will have its maturity done by Sep 14, meaning some selling pressure could occur by that date... bear in mind that, the hedged fund only need a 3% to 6% margin to get out of our marketthe percentage margin means hundred of millions dollar...(amazing, rite..?) so, from now until Sep 14, the main index could move up and down by limited range of 5 and 38 points... if you mean short time is daysi must say there should n\nothing to worry...but, let's see what market makers can do to stay alert ahead of the sep 14 a disclaimerthou... cheers "Ms. Banking" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mr. Frederick, so meaning to say, u think probably there will be no BIG correction in JSX in a short time? Thanks for sharing with us. Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [Milis-AATI] RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: BLTA menuju 4700?
hukum alam yang mana? 2,500 is too conservative, thoubut good for mid term target... cheersmbahqu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Skenario nya sih ok! tapi kagak bisa melawan hukum alam. BLTA turun ke 1900--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, " Marjan Syah" ...> wrote:>> Melihat pola teknikal, nampaknya saham ini akan dibawa ke 2500 (PER> 9.5berdasarkan LK Q2) sewaktu dual listing bulan Oktober, untuk> memberikan> ruang discount bila dibandingkan dengan PER rata2 perusahaan pelayaran di> sana yang mencapai 12X. Kemudian rally ke 3100 setelah listing di SGX untuk> mencapai PER rata2 perusahaan pelayaran disana. Melihat trendnya, demand> separuh tahun kedua biasanya lebih tinggi dari separuh tahun pertama, dan> BLTA akan memanfaatkan moment LK Q3 untuk mencapai target harga tersebut.> > Regards,> MJ> > All disclaimer on!> Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] ihsg plus 8 tanpa volume
tanda2 zaman.duh... makin saru... yang jelas kita lagi nunggu data inflasi agustus pak1 jam (at the most) lagi diumumkan... cheers Rony Santoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:2006/09/01 405,354,700 2006/08/31 1,730,047,796 2006/08/30 1,863,705,848 tanda2 zaman? All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: ihsg plus 8 tanpa volume
almost right pak redy kita cuma punya masalah dugaan korupsi flexy di telkom...so, gimanapun kalau telkom turun, pengaruhnya ama overall index bakal terasa benget... maaf my bahasa gak bagus...redyherinantoalb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dan data Ekonomi Amerika nanti malam menurut Mr. FS arah The Fed sama BI rate kemana berdasarkan data inflasi yang terbaru? Yang jelas di US biaya energi sudah mulai turun ya... so inflasi diharapkan juga turun bener nggak seh? Saya sendiri tidak begitu yakin. belum PDRedy--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert ...> wrote:>> tanda2 zaman.duh... makin saru...> yang jelas kita lagi nunggu data inflasi agustus pak1 jam (at the most) lagi diumumkan... > cheers> > > Rony Santoso ...> wrote:> 2006/09/01 405,354,700 > 2006/08/31 1,730,047,796 > 2006/08/30 1,863,705,848 > > tanda2 zaman?> > > > > > -> All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.> Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: ihsg plus 8 tanpa volume
on month inflation in august is 0.33% vs 0.36% markt consensus on year cpi was at 14.90% vs 14.92% consensus... all figures were slightly below consensus and may inspire Bank Indonesia to cut interest rate by up to 50basis points or even 75 basis points.. it's good for the equity market, banking and consumer in particular.. redyherinantoalb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So what about the CPI annoucement by govrmnt? Is it good for our bourse? I heard they will relese the number at 13.30, so I assume you already have itRedy--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert ...> wrote:>> almost right pak redy> kita cuma punya masalah dugaan korupsi flexy di telkom...so, gimanapun kalau telkom turun, pengaruhnya ama overall index bakal terasa benget... maaf my bahasa gak bagus...> > redyherinantoalb ...> wrote:> Dan data Ekonomi Amerika nanti malam menurut Mr. FS arah The Fed > sama BI rate kemana berdasarkan data inflasi yang terbaru? Yang > jelas di US biaya energi sudah mulai turun ya... so inflasi > diharapkan juga turun bener nggak seh? Saya sendiri tidak begitu > yakin. belum PD> > Redy> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert > > wrote:> >> > tanda2 zaman.duh... makin saru...> > yang jelas kita lagi nunggu data inflasi agustus pak1 jam > (at the most) lagi diumumkan... > > cheers> > > > > > Rony Santoso > wrote:> > 2006/09/01 405,354,700 > > 2006/08/31 1,730,047,796 > > 2006/08/30 1,863,705,848 > > > > tanda2 zaman?> > > > > > > > > > > > -> > All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get > things done faster.> >> > > > > > > -> Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.> Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: BNGA....Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: ihsg plus 8 tanpa volume
best buy BNGA is at IDR660, while 12-month target is at IDR760. It's tight margin so you can play within this range... cheersInvestor Bonex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Thx for the info... If I may ask your view on specific banking emitten, BNGA, can we enter in current price 690-700 or is it too expensive already ? ThanksFrederick Schubert yahoo.com> wrote:on month inflation in august is 0.33% vs 0.36% markt consensus on year cpi was at 14.90% vs 14.92% consensus... all figures were slightly below consensus and may inspire Bank Indonesia to cut interest rate by up to 50basis points or even 75 basis points.. it's good for the equity market, banking and consumer in particular.. redyherinantoalb yahoo.com> wrote: So what about the CPI annoucement by govrmnt? Is it good for our bourse? I heard they will relese the number at 13.30, so I assume you already have itRedy--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert ...> wrote:>> almost right pak redy> kita cuma punya masalah dugaan korupsi flexy di telkom...so, gimanapun kalau telkom turun, pengaruhnya ama overall index bakal terasa benget... maaf my bahasa gak bagus...> > redyherinantoalb ...> wrote:> Dan data Ekonomi Amerika nanti malam menurut Mr. FS arah The Fed > sama BI rate kemana berdasarkan data inflasi yang terbaru? Yang > jelas di US biaya energi sudah mulai turun ya... so inflasi > diharapkan juga turun bener nggak seh? Saya sendiri tidak begitu > yakin. belum PD> > Redy> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert > > wrote:> >> > tanda2 zaman.duh... makin saru...> > yang jelas kita lagi nunggu data inflasi agustus pak1 jam > (at the most) lagi diumumkan... > > cheers> > > > > > Rony Santoso > wrote:> > 2006/09/01 405,354,700 > > 2006/08/31 1,730,047,796 > > 2006/08/30 1,863,705,848 > > > > tanda2 zaman?> > > > > > > > > > > > -> > All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get > things done faster.> >> > > > > > > -> Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.> Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: BNGA....Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: ihsg plus 8 tanpa volume
wellthe equilibrium support for BMRI has switched to IDR2,000-IDR2,050 band from IDR1,690-IDR1,750, a level when i strongly recommended everyone to buy the stocks so, best buy is at below 2,100...otherwise you have a very mid to longterm fund, then...you can buy it at any level... cheersInvestor Bonex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Thank you pak You ever mentioned that if Govt release PP about NPL on state banking then BMRI can be doubled or even tripled. Is it good time to accumulate it prior the anouncement or ? what your view ?... rgds-Frederick Schubert yahoo.com> wrote:best buy BNGA is at IDR660, while 12-month target is at IDR760. It's tight margin so you can play within this range... cheersInvestor Bonex yahoo.com> wrote:Thx for the info... If I may ask your view on specific banking emitten, BNGA, can we enter in current price 690-700 or is it too expensive already ? ThanksFrederick Schubert yahoo.com> wrote: on month inflation in august is 0.33% vs 0.36% markt consensus on year cpi was at 14.90% vs 14.92% consensus... all figures were slightly below consensus and may inspire Bank Indonesia to cut interest rate by up to 50basis points or even 75 basis points.. it's good for the equity market, banking and consumer in particular.. redyherinantoalb yahoo.com> wrote: So what about the CPI annoucement by govrmnt? Is it good for our bourse? I heard they will relese the number at 13.30, so I assume you already have itRedy--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert ...> wrote:>> almost right pak redy> kita cuma punya masalah dugaan korupsi flexy di telkom...so, gimanapun kalau telkom turun, pengaruhnya ama overall index bakal terasa benget... maaf my bahasa gak bagus...> > redyherinantoalb ...> wrote:> Dan data Ekonomi Amerika nanti malam menurut Mr. FS arah The Fed > sama BI rate kemana berdasarkan data inflasi yang terbaru? Yang > jelas di US biaya energi sudah mulai turun ya... so inflasi > diharapkan juga turun bener nggak seh? Saya sendiri tidak begitu > yakin. belum PD> > Redy> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert > > wrote:> >> > tanda2 zaman.duh... makin saru...> > yang jelas kita lagi nunggu data inflasi agustus pak1 jam > (at the most) lagi diumumkan... > > cheers> > > > > > Rony Santoso > wrote:> > 2006/09/01 405,354,700 > > 2006/08/31 1,730,047,796 > > 2006/08/30 1,863,705,848 > > > > tanda2 zaman?> > > > > > > > > > > > -> > All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get > things done faster.> >> > > > > > > -> Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.> Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. Do you Yahoo!?Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Trader gila bilang : JSX 1720 dalam 3-6 bln
bukannya kemarin2 punya target koreksi ke 1350...? hehehehehe kalau gitu...kayaknya bakal ada yang nurunin indek mulai tanggal 8 september ni.disclaimerjust a jokeignore ignore cheers Santo Vibby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Well.. karena saya udah terbiasa di bilang trader gila.. . saya posting sbb; Dari analisa saya sementara ini menunjukkan penutupan hari ini memberikan konfirmasi bahwa JSX mungkin akan mengejar targetnya ke 1720 dalam range waktu 3-6 bln... sayangnya masih blom yakin dengan volume yg terjadi hari ini.. tapi kayanya cukup bagus.. Sayang saya tak dapat attach gbrnya... data dari yahoo finance saya ngaco berat.. masak tgl 31 JSX saya tidak ada transaksi sama sekali hehehe.. Tapi akan saya attach begitu chart saya udah bener ok.. harap maklum Trader gila Vibby Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Trader gila bilang : JSX 1720 dalam 3-6 bln
setubuh...eh, i mean setuju pakhehehehehe jadi ingat kahlil rowter yang prediksi index mo ke 750-800 masuk hdln bisnis indonesia... trus jadinya perutku gembung makanin semua jajanan pasar yang murah meriah karena panic selling... anyway, hope there would be no selling in the middle of this month...so, we don't need to change our forecast every time we take a breath peace, GBU and all the best... Santo Vibby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gini lho... misalnya kita punya Kapal.. katakanlah namanya TITANIC Kita yakin 1.000.000 lot dia kaga bakalan karam.. Trus kita berlayar sambil berdiri megang tangan cewe yg merentang di haluan paling depan kapal kita nahan serangan angin... dengan pikiran.. Wah Kapal gue mantab punya kaga bakalan karam.. Tiba2 cuaca berubah, buritan nabrak karang.. semua berbalik gak karuan.. Masak kita tetap berkeyakinan kapal kita kaga bakalan tenggelam ? Dengan polosnya berpikir stay di Kapal kebanggaan yang konon anti nyelam, sementara cewe yg tadi udah ngacir ntah kemana nyelamatin diri pake Sekoci.. Alangkah culunnya kita stay di Kapal tersebut ya pak FS moralnya : as Trader, kita cukup berpegangan dengan sinyal2 yg terjadi di market, tapi tiba2 ternyata sinyalnya berbalik arah.. kita ya ngikut balik atuh, masak mau di makan ama bandar ?? Just Joke hehehhe... peace all Vibby - Original Message ----- From: Frederick Schubert To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Trader gila bilang : JSX 1720 dalam 3-6 blnbukannya kemarin2 punya target koreksi ke 1350...? hehehehehe kalau gitu...kayaknya bakal ada yang nurunin indek mulai tanggal 8 september ni.disclaimerjust a jokeignore ignore cheers Santo Vibby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]net> wrote:Well.. karena saya udah terbiasa di bilang trader gila.. . saya posting sbb; Dari analisa saya sementara ini menunjukkan penutupan hari ini memberikan konfirmasi bahwa JSX mungkin akan mengejar targetnya ke 1720 dalam range waktu 3-6 bln... sayangnya masih blom yakin dengan volume yg terjadi hari ini.. tapi kayanya cukup bagus.. Sayang saya tak dapat attach gbrnya... data dari yahoo finance saya ngaco berat.. masak tgl 31 JSX saya tidak ada transaksi sama sekali hehehe.. Tapi akan saya attach begitu chart saya udah bener ok.. harap maklum Trader gila Vibby Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com __ NOD32 1.1677 (20060724) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "obrolan-bandar" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Teori Financial Chaos: Back to the NATURE
Maaf, CMIIW VOLUME trading AALI itu never been more than satu juta lembar in a daykayak hari ini sampai jam 1138 wib, cuma 229,500 shares changing hands... kalau 2 milyar kayaknya gak mungkin banget and would be very weird... fyi, astra international owns 79.68% of AALI, atau 1.254 miliar saham..., while the public holds 20.32%, or 319,139 sharesso, total number of share is even less that 2 billion... kalau kata chart, it will never break 9,200-resistance level, but according to investment proposal, it may be stuck within a wide band of IDR8,200-9,900 band for the rest of the year... regardsup_trends <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: saya dah siap peluru mbah di 8500 & 7700. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant" [EMAIL PROTECTED]..> wrote:>> Pak Tasrul,> > Harga saham AALI lagi jatuh seperti FALLING KNIFE, AALI> pada hari Jumat turun -200 dengan volume 600% lebih BESAR> dibanding hari sebelumnya dengan GAP PULA..> > Anggaplah embah percaya ama analisa anda, pada harga berapa> embah mulai beli dan berapa target jualnya. Investor katanya> boleh main jika Reward dibanding Risknya minimal 3 banding 1.> Is it rewarding ?.> > Selain itu berapa MAXIMUM lot yg embah boleh beli mengingat > volume perdagangan AALI biasanya sekitar 2 miliar. Jika embah > beli 10% dari TOTAL volume perdagangan atau 200 juta, apakah> ENGGA KEGEDEAN ?. atau cukup 1% saja yaitu 20 juta mengingat> Analisa pak Tasrul yang SEPERTInya canggih akan memancing> member dimilis ini akan IKUT BELI. DAN ini bisa MEMANCING bandar> untuk MENGHAJARnya> > Mungkin yang lain mau kasih komentar selain pak Tasrul ?.> > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Tasrul" wrote:> >> > Mbah,> > > > Tapi saya juga melihat sebenarnya, pasar juga dapat diterangkan > dengan hal dapat dterangkan dengan "linear" yang penting adalah kita > tahu starting pointnya dan disiplin dengan horizon investasi, saya > coba saja masuk ke contoh kasus AALI deh..attachment berikut hanya > suatu wacana yang simple dan barangkali harus diuji lagi.> > Untuk pembuktiannya kita lihat aja AALI minggu ini.> > > > > > > > From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Embah> > Sent: Sun 9/10/2006 9:51 AM> > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]com> > Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Teori Financial Chaos: Back to the NATURE> > > > > > > > Teori Financial Chaos: Ilmu Back to the NATURE> > > > > > Embah MENCOBA memberi KOMENTAR atas buku trading Chaosnya> > Bill William:> > > > Bertambah bernapsu embah untuk MENGKRITIK Bill William, bertambah> > menyerap teori Chaos kedalam kepala embah. Chaos didalam kamus> > berarti COMPLETE DISORDER. Tapi setelah membaca buku ini embah> > merasa Teori Chaos ini lebih cocok disebut ilmu BACK TO THE > NATURE.!!!> > > > Teori Chaos memandang Financial market sebagai suatu peristiwa ALAM > yang> > ALAMIAH. Pendekatan ini berbeda dengan pendekatan TEKNIKAL yang> > memandang Financial market sebagai model atau paradigma MATEMATIS> > dan pendekatan Fundamental yang menganggap financial market> > sebagai paradigma EKONOMI.> > > > Sebelum melanjutkan, embah mau bilang bahwa embah BUKANLAH ahli> > teori Chaos jadi yang PENGEN tau lebih dalam tentang teori Chaos,> > embah forwarkan PETUNJUK dari Mr A> > > > > coba embah akses ke www.bandungfe.net or www.ekonofisika.com> > > disana dikembangkan teori2 kompleksitas salah satunya chaos.> > > bisa buat pasar modal buatan, prediksi dengan GARCH, NN, DFA, dll> > > > Bill William yang menjadi trader dan instruktur saham selama 35 > tahun> > tentunya bisa MERASAKAN sendiri JATUH BANGUNnya model> > model MATEMATIS untuk memprediksikan bursa. Ia mengalami sendiri> > timbulnya analisa2 teknikal yang BARU, yang kemudian POPULER> > tapi akhirnya ditinggalkan dengan berjalannya WAKTU. Pada bukunya> > ia menekankan pada penggunaan metoda Fractal dan Elliot wave sebagai> > model yang lebih cocok dengan sistem Financial yang bersifat> > Chaotic atau ALAMIAH.> > > > Model Chaotic berbeda dengan asumsi model technical yang beranggapan> > bahwa Sejarah BERULANG, model chaotic LEBIH MENEKANKAN> > keadaan SEKARANG. Untuk mendapatkan profit besar dibursa kita> > harus bisa mengidentifikasikan PERUBAHAN MOMENTUM atau> > REVERSAL. Disini Bill William menggunakan metoda Fractal formasi V.> > Jika kita teliti lebih lanjut model Fractal V mirip formasi STAR, > DOJI,> > HAMMER, HANGING MAN pada metoda Candlestick. Perbedaannya> > Fractal V mensaratkan perlunya 5 bar harga. Disamping itu Bill > William> > menemukan bahwa fractal V bisa untuk menentukan Elliot wave > counting.> > > > Financial market ialah suatu sistem SOSIAL, EKONOMI,> > POLITIK yang rumit, tapi pada dasarnya adalah suatu sistem ALAMI> > yang ALAMIAH. Tidak ada yang bisa MERAMALKAN masa depan> > kecuali TUKANG RAMAL. Model/paradigma yang BERJAYA pada> > suatu waktu akan LUNTUR dan menjadi sampah. Kehebatan kekaisaran> > Romawi harus runtuh oleh serangan kaum
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Teori Financial Chaos: Back to the NATURE
maaf, the public holds 319.9 million shares... total listing is 1.65 billion sharesyang floating di floor hanya 319.6 million cheers Cubit Aja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Kalau saya baca di LK JSX yg beredar di pasar ada 1,574,745,000 lembar dan yg dipegang oleh perorangan kurang dari 2% atau sekitar 31,000,000 lembar (Value Rp 280 M +-) . Tolong pencerahannya kok bisa sampai kepada angka 319,139 lembar/kurang dari Rp 2 M. - Original Message - From: Frederick Schubert To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Teori Financial Chaos: Back to the NATUREMaaf, CMIIW VOLUME trading AALI itu never been more than satu juta lembar in a daykayak hari ini sampai jam 1138 wib, cuma 229,500 shares changing hands... kalau 2 milyar kayaknya gak mungkin banget and would be very weird... fyi, astra international owns 79.68% of AALI, atau 1.254 miliar saham..., while the public holds 20.32%, or 319,139 sharesso, total number of share is even less that 2 billion... kalau kata chart, it will never break 9,200-resistance level, but according to investment proposal, it may be stuck within a wide band of IDR8,200-9,900 band for the rest of the year... regardsup_trends <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com> wrote: saya dah siap peluru mbah di 8500 & 7700. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant" [EMAIL PROTECTED]..> wrote:>> Pak Tasrul,> > Harga saham AALI lagi jatuh seperti FALLING KNIFE, AALI> pada hari Jumat turun -200 dengan volume 600% lebih BESAR> dibanding hari sebelumnya dengan GAP PULA..> > Anggaplah embah percaya ama analisa anda, pada harga berapa> embah mulai beli dan berapa target jualnya. Investor katanya> boleh main jika Reward dibanding Risknya minimal 3 banding 1.> Is it rewarding ?.> > Selain itu berapa MAXIMUM lot yg embah boleh beli mengingat > volume perdagangan AALI biasanya sekitar 2 miliar. Jika embah > beli 10% dari TOTAL volume perdagangan atau 200 juta, apakah> ENGGA KEGEDEAN ?. atau cukup 1% saja yaitu 20 juta mengingat> Analisa pak Tasrul yang SEPERTInya canggih akan memancing> member dimilis ini akan IKUT BELI. DAN ini bisa MEMANCING bandar> untuk MENGHAJARnya> > Mungkin yang lain mau kasih komentar selain pak Tasrul ?.> > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Tasrul" wrote:> >> > Mbah,> > > > Tapi saya juga melihat sebenarnya, pasar juga dapat diterangkan > dengan hal dapat dterangkan dengan "linear" yang penting adalah kita > tahu starting pointnya dan disiplin dengan horizon investasi, saya > coba saja masuk ke contoh kasus AALI deh..attachment berikut hanya > suatu wacana yang simple dan barangkali harus diuji lagi.> > Untuk pembuktiannya kita lihat aja AALI minggu ini.> > > > > > > > From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Embah> > Sent: Sun 9/10/2006 9:51 AM> > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]com> > Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Teori Financial Chaos: Back to the NATURE> > > > > > > > Teori Financial Chaos: Ilmu Back to the NATURE> > > > > > Embah MENCOBA memberi KOMENTAR atas buku trading Chaosnya> > Bill William:> > > > Bertambah bernapsu embah untuk MENGKRITIK Bill William, bertambah> > menyerap teori Chaos kedalam kepala embah. Chaos didalam kamus> > berarti COMPLETE DISORDER. Tapi setelah membaca buku ini embah> > merasa Teori Chaos ini lebih cocok disebut ilmu BACK TO THE > NATURE.!!!> > > > Teori Chaos memandang Financial market sebagai suatu peristiwa ALAM > yang> > ALAMIAH. Pendekatan ini berbeda dengan pendekatan TEKNIKAL yang> > memandang Financial market sebagai model atau paradigma MATEMATIS> > dan pendekatan Fundamental yang menganggap financial market> > sebagai paradigma EKONOMI.> > > > Sebelum melanjutkan, embah mau bilang bahwa embah BUKANLAH ahli> > teori Chaos jadi yang PENGEN tau lebih dalam tentang teori Chaos,> > embah forwarkan PETUNJUK dari Mr A> > > > > coba embah akses ke www.bandungfe.net or www.ekonofisika.com> > > disana dikembangkan teori2 kompleksitas salah satunya chaos.> > > bisa buat pasar modal buatan, prediksi dengan GARCH, NN, DFA, dll> > > > Bill William yang menjadi trader dan instruktur saham selama 35 > tahun> > tentunya bisa MERASAKAN sendiri JATUH BANGUNnya model> > model MATEMATIS untuk memprediksikan bursa. Ia mengalami sendiri> > timbulnya analisa2 teknikal yang BARU, yang kemudian POPULER> > tapi akhirnya ditinggalkan dengan berjalannya WAKTU. Pada bukunya> > ia menekankan pad
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Trader gila bilang : JSX 1720 dalam 3-6 bln
sebenernya aku udah pernah beberapa kali secara tersirat memperingatkan kalau mendekati 14 september ada foreign hedged fund yang bakalan keluar. karena maturity bou hopefully, tomorrow and nearing the deadline, the picture will be changedmudah2anFrederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:bukannya kemarin2 punya target koreksi ke 1350...? hehehehehe kalau gitu...kayaknya bakal ada yang nurunin indek mulai tanggal 8 september ni.disclaimerjust a jokeignore ignore cheers Santo Vibby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]net> wrote:Well.. karena saya udah terbiasa di bilang trader gila.. . saya posting sbb; Dari analisa saya sementara ini menunjukkan penutupan hari ini memberikan konfirmasi bahwa JSX mungkin akan mengejar targetnya ke 1720 dalam range waktu 3-6 bln... sayangnya masih blom yakin dengan volume yg terjadi hari ini.. tapi kayanya cukup bagus.. Sayang saya tak dapat attach gbrnya... data dari yahoo finance saya ngaco berat.. masak tgl 31 JSX saya tidak ada transaksi sama sekali hehehe.. Tapi akan saya attach begitu chart saya udah bener ok.. harap maklum Trader gila Vibby Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Tgl 13 di Bizcafe
Dear Eyang... bolehkah saya hadirsaya janji hanya akan mendengar semua thanks...Soeratman Doerachman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Saya nggak tahu berapa orang yang mau hadir. Tapi saya akan stand by disana jam 19:00. Biasanya ada 5 orangpun kita jalan Mari kita sharing vision dan sharing idea. Kalu mBah sampai hadir, waduh bakal gemeteran saya bisa ketemua orang yg say respect selama ini. Terlampir denah BizCafe From: A3K [mailto:gangway@idola.net.id] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 3:57 PMTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; junior_Trader@yahoogroups.comSubject: [junior_Trader] RE: [obrolan-bandar] Buat pak Santo...Re: Chaos Theory, Fundamental & Technical Saya mau hadir mas . Dan saya juga tahu posisi café tsb. Kalo bisa Embah juga muncul dong . Mumpung pasar lagi crash, kayaknya perlu teman utk sharing vision.Arie From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Soeratman DoerachmanSent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 12:34 PMTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; junior_Trader@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Buat pak Santo...Re: Chaos Theory, Fundamental & TechnicalPak OentoengKebetulan kita mau ngumpul-ngumpul bersama temana-teman (biasanya kita ngumpul2 sekita 8-15 orang). Acara ngumpul-ngumpul berikutnya adalh tgl 13 September malam di BizCafe Mega Kuningan (karena ada internetnya, LCD projektor layar dll) Materi yg akan digunjingkan SAHAM NYANGKUT Sebetulnya bagi trader maupun isnvestor seharusnya tidak ada istilah NYANGKUT Mengapa demikian? Karena menurut pendapat saya: Bagi investor tidak ada istilah nyangkut selama proses pemilihan sahamnya dijalankan secara benar seperti Warren Buffet yang tidak perduli apakah harga saham akan naik atau turun karena dia tidak membeli saham melainkan membeli perusahaan yang dia anggap layak untuk dibeli sesuai dengan kriteria-kriteria dia dan dia simpan dalam jangka panjang. Bagi trader istilah nyangkutpun sebenarnya tidak seharusnya ada selama dia disiplin terhadap trading plan yg telah dia siapkan sebelumnya (Entry, Exit, Stop Loss, Trailing stop dll)Kita akan bicara masalh NYANGKUT karena:Banyak diantara kita yang menganggap diri kita investor setelah terjadi sebuah KECELAKAAN . Beli saham dengan harapan dalam jangka pendek harga sahamnya akan naik. Dalam kenyataan harga nya turun drastis sedrastis-drastisnya dan selanjutnya didiamkan dan untuk menghibur diri dengan berkata ah saya kan investor dan selanjutnay penuh berharap harga akan naik lagi). Banyak diantara kita para trader (termasuk pengalaman saya he3x, ngaku aja deh) yg lupa terhadap trading plan kita(atau tidak lupa karena memang tidak pernah membuatnya) sheingga membiarkan kerrudian yang berlarut-larut. NYANGKUT menurut pendapat saya akan sangat berhubungan dengan proses bagaimana kita melaksanakan pemilihan secara fundamental, teknikal maupun psikologis. Apakah telah memenuhi norma-normanya? Lalu jika kita tidak penuhi (contrarian) alasan apa yg mendasarinya?Diskusi ini kita adakan sebagai pengejawantahan proses pembelajaran termasuk didalamnya adalah learn from our mistakes dan learning by doingPak Oentong kita mengharapkan kehadirannya untuk memberikan pandangan-pandangannya dalam pertemuan tersebut.Bagi teman-teman yang punya saham nyangkut atau tidak menginginkan sahamnya nyangkut why do not you join us on Sep 13th? Mari kita bedah kasus disitu mengapa saham itu nyangkutCatatan: Kopi dan kueh bayar sendiri2 (bagi yang saya undang, free of charge)From: oentoeng_q [mailto:oentoeng_[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:30 AMTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject: [obrolan-bandar] Buat pak Santo...Re: Chaos Theory, Fundamental & TechnicalWaduh masalah "dateng nggak dateng" bisa runyam kalau diterus2in...Saya cuman bisa garuk2 kepala saat ini...Sebenarnya saya sudah merencanakan "minum kopi" bareng Eyang Ratman, P. Vibby, mungkin P. Karno juga kalau mau bergabung?Waktunya setelah acara KDT 23 Sept...Kalau sudah begini tidak surprise lagi jadinya!?So...semoga acara KDT-nya berjalan sesuai rencanaDan buat beliau2 saya harapkan habis acara KDT tidak langsung BUBAR JALAN...karena saya mau konsultasi saham nyangkut...hehehe...Truely seumur hidup saya ndak pernah ikut "Kursus Saham" wong saya belajar secara otodidak dan banyak bertanya kepada para SUHU...Oentoeng-nya Tuhan masih terus membagikan rejeki-NYA kepada trader kayak sayaSemoga saling tunjuk ini bisa diakhiri dan tidak menjadi chaos kayak judul di atasHeheheSalam--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Karno Edy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]..> wrote:>> Lho koq malah balik nunjuk orang lain. Mirip waktu ada acara disuruh nyanyi..> Ini khan bukan soal siapa lebih mampu atau siapa lebih tahu. Anggap semua orang sejajar & saling berbagi, Nanti yg ngutus kecewa lho.> > > - Original Message - > From: oentoeng_
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Tgl 13 di Bizcafe
hello... firt i am not an expert..and never felt expertthere are many others in this universe that their expertize is beyond my knowledge... anyway, if we are looking at chart..we will find that there has been some minority movements in the triangle basis, which could show that correction will continue to test 1425 level as the first support level, while the second one is seen at 1396... frantically, some stocks have been oversold at this levels of index as we are now basing the target prices based on the porspective earnings of 2007, not 2006... blta: best buy at 1,950 UNSP: 830 CTRA: 520-530 PTBA: 3,325 ANTM: 5,200 BNGA: 650 disclaimer, thou... Investor Bonex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Dear Experts... Mohon untuk berbagi hasil dari "Pembicaraan Tingkat Tinggi" ini, maklum saya tinggal di seberang, I'm pretty sure that I'm not alone that suffering on this Bloody Market... rgds- note : Mr Frederick, kira2 JCI falling down sampe seberapa jauh neh ?. Bisa share range price emiten ini : BLTA, UNSP, CTRA, PTBA, ANTM, BNGA thanks berat yach-Frederick Schubert yahoo.com> wrote:Dear Eyang... bolehkah saya hadirsaya janji hanya akan mendengar semua thanks...Soeratman Doerachman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]id> wrote: Saya nggak tahu berapa orang yang mau hadir. Tapi saya akan stand by disana jam 19:00. Biasanya ada 5 orangpun kita jalan Mari kita sharing vision dan sharing idea. Kalu mBah sampai hadir, waduh bakal gemeteran saya bisa ketemua orang yg say respect selama ini. Terlampir denah BizCafe From: A3K [mailto:gangway@idola.net.id] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 3:57 PMTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; junior_Trader@yahoogroups.comSubject: [junior_Trader] RE: [obrolan-bandar] Buat pak Santo...Re: Chaos Theory, Fundamental & Technical Saya mau hadir mas . Dan saya juga tahu posisi café tsb. Kalo bisa Embah juga muncul dong . Mumpung pasar lagi crash, kayaknya perlu teman utk sharing vision.Arie From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Soeratman DoerachmanSent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 12:34 PMTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; junior_Trader@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Buat pak Santo...Re: Chaos Theory, Fundamental & TechnicalPak OentoengKebetulan kita mau ngumpul-ngumpul bersama temana-teman (biasanya kita ngumpul2 sekita 8-15 orang). Acara ngumpul-ngumpul berikutnya adalh tgl 13 September malam di BizCafe Mega Kuningan (karena ada internetnya, LCD projektor layar dll) Materi yg akan digunjingkan SAHAM NYANGKUT Sebetulnya bagi trader maupun isnvestor seharusnya tidak ada istilah NYANGKUT Mengapa demikian? Karena menurut pendapat saya: Bagi investor tidak ada istilah nyangkut selama proses pemilihan sahamnya dijalankan secara benar seperti Warren Buffet yang tidak perduli apakah harga saham akan naik atau turun karena dia tidak membeli saham melainkan membeli perusahaan yang dia anggap layak untuk dibeli sesuai dengan kriteria-kriteria dia dan dia simpan dalam jangka panjang. Bagi trader istilah nyangkutpun sebenarnya tidak seharusnya ada selama dia disiplin terhadap trading plan yg telah dia siapkan sebelumnya (Entry, Exit, Stop Loss, Trailing stop dll)Kita akan bicara masalh NYANGKUT karena: Banyak diantara kita yang menganggap diri kita investor setelah terjadi sebuah KECELAKAAN . Beli saham dengan harapan dalam jangka pendek harga sahamnya akan naik. Dalam kenyataan harga nya turun drastis sedrastis-drastisnya dan selanjutnya didiamkan dan untuk menghibur diri dengan berkata ah saya kan investor dan selanjutnay penuh berharap harga akan naik lagi). Banyak diantara kita para trader (termasuk pengalaman saya he3x, ngaku aja deh) yg lupa terhadap trading plan kita(atau tidak lupa karena memang tidak pernah membuatnya) sheingga membiarkan kerrudian yang berlarut-larut. NYANGKUT menurut pendapat saya akan sangat berhubungan dengan proses bagaimana kita melaksanakan pemilihan secara fundamental, teknikal maupun psikologis. Apakah telah memenuhi norma-normanya? Lalu jika kita tidak penuhi (contrarian) alasan apa yg mendasarinya?Diskusi ini kita adakan sebagai pengejawantahan proses pembelajaran termasuk didalamnya adalah learn from our mistakes dan learning by doingPak Oentong kita mengharapkan kehadirannya untuk memberikan pandangan-pandangannya dalam pertemuan tersebut.Bagi teman-teman yang punya saham nyangkut atau tidak menginginkan sahamnya nyangkut why do not you join us on Sep 13th? Mari kita bedah kasus disitu mengapa saham itu nyangkutCatatan: Kopi dan kueh bayar sendiri2 (bagi yang saya undang, free of charge)From: oentoeng_q [mailto:oentoeng_[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:30 AMTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject: [obrolan-bandar] Buat pak Santo...Re: Cha
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Tgl 13 di Bizcafe
thanks eyang hope you are always well and prosper... regards,Soeratman Doerachman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mr FSWe'd love to have you on 13th in Bizcafe.To share your knowledge to us--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert ...> wrote:>> hello...> firt i am not an expert..and never felt expertthere are many others in this universe that their expertize is beyond my knowledge...> anyway, if we are looking at chart..we will find that there has been some minority movements in the triangle basis, which could show that correction will continue to test 1425 level as the first support level, while the second one is seen at 1396...> frantically, some stocks have been oversold at this levels of index as we are now basing the target prices based on the porspective earnings of 2007, not 2006...> blta: best buy at 1,950> UNSP: 830> CTRA: 520-530> PTBA: 3,325> ANTM: 5,200> BNGA: 650> disclaimer, thou...> > > > Investor Bonex ...> wrote:> Dear Experts...> > Mohon untuk berbagi hasil dari "Pembicaraan Tingkat Tinggi" ini, maklum saya tinggal di seberang, I'm pretty sure that I'm not alone that suffering on this Bloody Market...> > rgds-> > note : Mr Frederick, kira2 JCI falling down sampe seberapa jauh neh ?. Bisa share range price emiten ini :> BLTA, UNSP, CTRA, PTBA, ANTM, BNGA> thanks berat yach-> > Frederick Schubert ...> wrote:> Dear Eyang...> bolehkah saya hadirsaya janji hanya akan mendengar semua> thanks...> > Soeratman Doerachman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Saya nggak tahu berapa orang yang mau hadir.> Tapi saya akan stand by disana jam 19:00. Biasanya ada 5 orangpun kita jalan> Mari kita sharing vision dan sharing idea.> Kalu mBah sampai hadir, waduh bakal gemeteran saya bisa ketemua orang yg say respect selama ini.> Terlampir denah BizCafe> > > -> > From: A3K [mailto:gangway@...] > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 3:57 PM> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; junior_Trader@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [junior_Trader] RE: [obrolan-bandar] Buat pak Santo...Re: Chaos Theory, Fundamental & Technical> > > > Saya mau hadir mas . Dan saya juga tahu posisi café tsb.> Kalo bisa Embah juga muncul dong . Mumpung pasar lagi crash, kayaknya perlu teman utk sharing vision.> > Arie> > > > -> > From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-[EMAIL PROTECTED]com] On Behalf Of Soeratman Doerachman> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 12:34 PM> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com; junior_Trader@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Buat pak Santo...Re: Chaos Theory, Fundamental & Technical> > > Pak Oentoeng> > Kebetulan kita mau ngumpul-ngumpul bersama temana-teman (biasanya kita ngumpul2 sekita 8-15 orang).> Acara ngumpul-ngumpul berikutnya adalh tgl 13 September malam di BizCafe Mega Kuningan (karena ada internetnya, LCD projektor layar dll)> Materi yg akan digunjingkan SAHAM NYANGKUT" > Sebetulnya bagi trader maupun isnvestor seharusnya tidak ada istilah NYANGKUT"> Mengapa demikian? Karena menurut pendapat saya: > > Bagi investor tidak ada istilah nyangkut selama proses pemilihan sahamnya dijalankan secara benar seperti Warren Buffet yang tidak perduli apakah harga saham akan naik atau turun karena dia tidak membeli saham melainkan membeli perusahaan" yang dia anggap layak untuk dibeli sesuai dengan kriteria-kriteria dia dan dia simpan dalam jangka panjang. > Bagi trader istilah nyangkutpun sebenarnya tidak seharusnya ada selama dia disiplin terhadap trading plan yg telah dia siapkan sebelumnya (Entry, Exit, Stop Loss, Trailing stop dll) > > Kita akan bicara masalh NYANGKUT" karena:> > Banyak diantara kita yang menganggap diri kita investor setelah terjadi sebuah KECELAKAAN ". Beli saham dengan harapan dalam jangka pendek harga sahamnya akan naik. Dalam kenyataan harga nya turun drastis sedrastis-drastisnya dan selanjutnya didiamkan dan untuk menghibur diri dengan berkata ah saya kan investor" dan selanjutnay penuh berharap harga akan naik lagi). > Banyak diantara kita para trader (termasuk pengalaman saya he3x, ngaku aja deh) yg lupa terhadap trading plan kita(atau tidak lupa karena memang tidak pernah membuatnya) sheingga membiarkan kerrudian yang berlarut-larut.> > NYANGKUT" menurut pendapat saya akan sangat berhubungan dengan proses bagaimana kita melaksanakan pemilihan secara fundamental, teknikal maupun psikologis. Apakah telah memenuhi norma-normanya? Lalu jika kita tidak penuhi (contrarian) alasan apa yg mendasarinya?> > Diskusi ini kita adakan sebagai pengejawantahan proses pembelajaran termasuk didalamnya adalah "learn from our mistakes" dan "le
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Fwd: Re: How does EXPERT predict the TARGET PRICE
waasalut...salut... aku yang setiap saat have a very close "intimacy with DJIA" aja...never thought that DJIA will record a new high given poor 3Q earnings and bearish job rate hehehe...tapi salut kok... jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]com, "jsx_consultant" ...> wrote:--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]com, "Sriwisnu Gmail" wrote:>> Tulisan bung IAN ringan tapi berbobot.> Thanks atas pencerahannya.Bung Irwan memang pantas dipanggil SUHUAverage GAIN sampe pagi ini 0,9% diatas kenaikan IHSG 0,5%...Pak Irwan, embah beberapa tahun ini experimen TERUS, milis dijadikan LABORATORIUM oleh embah. Kemarin pak Tasrul suruh beli AALI, embah COBA experiment, eh taunya IHSG AMBLES, untung CEPET kabur... Buat pak Tasrul, TERUSKAN kerja keras anda, suatu saat iaakan menghasilkan BUAH, tapi jangan lupa TERHADAP KESEDERHANAANyang diajarkan suhu Irwan...Rekomendasi pak Irwan PUN saat ini lagi embah TELITI, embahlagi mempelajari PENGARUH rekomendasi pak Irwan yang DISEGANI terhadap market dan APA reaksi MARKET terhadap rekomendasipak Irwan ?.Hasil penenelitian embah sementara, MARKET bereaksi positifdan adanya korelasi dengan PROSENTASE target GAIN yang pak Irwansebutkan... Kalo dibikin kurvanya, yang terjadi mirip kurva GDP (kekayaan terpusat pada segelintir orang kaya). Begitu jugakurva dari hasil rekomendasi pak irwan. Distribusi gain terpusatpada saham dengan gain target yg tinggi.Tapi embah yang percaya dengan teori Chaos, bahwa ALAM akanbereaksi, market akan mencari KESEIMBANGAN dalam KETIDAK SEIMBANGAN, Market akan mencari REGULARITY dalam IRREGULARITYseperti pak Boy katakan. Rekomendasi pak Irwan akan menggerakanpasar (disorder yang ditunjukan kurva GAINnya) tapi alam akan mencari ORDER yang lebih tinggi, Energi YANG akan melawan energi YIN yang pak Irwan hembuskan. ENTROPY market akan berusaha mencapaitidak optimal seperti air yang mengalir dari gunung melaluisungai, lembah maupun CELAH CELAH...Embah ini udah mirip orang sinting, mengembangkan ilmubandarmologi dengan mengamati MOTHER NATURE.Tapi buat yang tidak menganggap embah sinting, mari kitaamati bersama. Untuk MENGAMATI ini, kosongkan hati kita, tidak ada OPTIMISME,dan tidak ada PESIMISME, yang ada cuman KEHENDAK MARKET...embah, bandarmologist> > > - Original Message - > From: "Irwan Ariston Napitupulu" >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:49 PM> Subject: [saham] Re: How does EXPERT predict the TARGET PRICE> > > > Hahaha...Mbah bisa saja. Saya bukan expert lah.> > Cucu disini tidak punya ilmu2 canggih.> > Yang cucu punya sekarang ini cuma tinggal ilmu> > "Pertapaan Tapak Suci". Hasil dari ilmu ini, wangsit...:)> >> > Ngomong2 soal KISS, singkatan seharusnya khan> > Keep It Simple and Straight. Mbah bisa saja> > merubah jadi Keep It Simple Stupid:)> >> > Sudah 1-2 tahun belakangan ini memang saya> > sengaja bikin tulisan analisa prediksinya sangat> > simple saja, tidak memakai dasar2an.> > Buat saya, dasarnya cukup suka sama suka saja.> > Kalau suka, silahkan ikuti, kalau tidak silahkan> > mengamati. Hal ini karena saya percaya, rekan2 disini> > sudah pada canggih2 ilmu analisanya. Saya sudah> > tertinggal jauh dan harus banyak belajar dari> > rekan2.> >> > Jadi, memang tulisan saya sangat telanjang sekali,> > sangat terbuka dan sangat beresiko karena bahasa> > yg saya gunakan sangat jelas dan sederhana tidak> > pakai pengkodisian seperti jika pecah support atau> > resistance maka blablabla.> >> > Karenanya, saya sengaja hanya tulis angka2 saat> > analisa dikeluarkan, dan angka targetnya, plus> > batasan atau jangka waktunya, agar terkontrol> > analisanya tercapai atau tidak.> > Selebihnya, saya serahkan kepada masing2 untuk> > melakukan analisa sendiri untuk mengecek apakah> > yg saya tuliskan dan paparkan tersebut sehati dan> > sepikiran tidak dengan masing2 individu. Kalau sehati,> > silahkan ikutan, kalau tidak sehati silahkan mengamati> > atau pun bikin analisa prediksi tandingan.> > Hal ini karena saya yakini kalau pun saya tulis> > dasar2 analisanya baik FA, TA, news, atau apapun itu,> > kalau orang dasarnya sudah tidak percaya, tetap tidak> > akan percaya. Mereka yang mengerti FA dan TA pun> > saya yakini tidak akan gampang percaya, karena mereka> > akan mengecek kembali berdasarkan apa yg mereka> > ketahui. Ketimbang saya pusing2 nulis panjang2,> > dan sebagian pembaca juga pusing bacanya,> > khan lebih baik menulis yg KISS, dan serahkan sisanya> > kpd sidang pembaca untuk melanjutkan analisanya> > masing2:)> >> > Begitulah Mbah, sedikit KISS (Keep It Simple and Straight)> > yg saya lakukan dalam tulisan2 analisa prediksi.> >> > Bagi mereka yg punya client, saran saya jangan coba2> > ikuti cara ini dalam mencoba menarik client. Mereka,> > orang yang punya duit, akan lebih senang yang jelimet> > dan dihiasi angka2 atau pun rumus2 yang rumit.> > Semakin jelimet dan rumit, maka analisanya akan terlihat> > semakin mantap dimata mereka walaupun belum t
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Cara cepat hitungan harga wajar ANTM !!!!
it's hard to explainbut ANTM will never break above 5,700 stubborn-resistance Elly Tjung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hi semuanya , terus terang saya oon ttg saham, tolong saya diberi pelajaran . EKA SUWANDANA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com> wrote: Dulu saya pernah kursus fundamental saham di Megadana Milenium, disitu diajarkan macem2 cara hitung saham, mulai yg termudah, tercepat, sampai yg tersulit. Saya lihat target pak Irwan Ariston utk ANTM hasilnya deket2 dgn cara cepat yg dulu pernah diajarkan Mr. X di Megadana. Gini caranya: Jumlah Aktiva Lancar dikurangi Jml.kewajiban lancar, kurangi dgn biaya dimuka. Dapet hasilnya bagi dgn jumlah saham. Sebut hasilnya N. Trus hitung earning power, dgn cara adjust laba bersih , karena ANTM rugi kurs besar, jumlahkan laba bersih dgn rugi kurs, dan tambahkan lain2 bersih (nggak banyak bisa nggak usah di tambahkan). Hasilnya bagi dgn jml saham. Annualised (utk h1 2006 kalikan 2)! Asumsikan PER 10x. Jadi kalikan 10. Dapat hasilnya jumlahkan dgn N diatas tadi. Nih kalo penasaran saya attach. By the way cara ini menghasilkan harga wajar dibawah harga DCF, biasanya hasilnya kemurahan. Tapi sering saya pakai kalo saya cuma dapet ringkasan laporan keuangan yg ada dikoran, tanpa cash flow report. Saya sarankan kalo dapet laporan keuangan yg lengkap use something else. Saya dapat di kisaran 7000. Itu utk 1h06, dimana Feni III cuma beroperasi penuh 2 bulan. Kalo full year bisa lebih karena awal November Feni III udah jalan lagi, plus harga nickel masih tinggi sudah 12,9 USD/lb utk kontrak 3 bulan. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Cara cepat hitungan harga wajar ANTM !!!!
FYI, the target price for indofood based on investment flow analysis has been revised upward to IDR1,500-IDR1,600 each... hard to explain charting for Indonesian stocks as data for trading volume sometimes corrupt and resulted in huge inclination however good the way you read the chart is...you can never find both entrance and exit points accurately just sharing... and very disclaimer, thou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He will, Pak - it's like INDF (super/indo-mie) that break-out really todaywith huge vol since yesterday - after the fourth trial (1,200) as very,very strong res...Aria> it's hard to explainbut ANTM will never break above 5,700> stubborn-resistance>>> Elly Tjung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com> wrote:> hi semuanya , terus terang saya oon ttg saham, tolong saya> diberi pelajaran .>> EKA SUWANDANA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com> wrote: Dulu saya pernah kursus> fundamental saham di Megadana Milenium, disitu diajarkan macem2 cara> hitung saham, mulai yg termudah, tercepat, sampai yg tersulit.>> Saya lihat target pak Irwan Ariston utk ANTM hasilnya deket2 dgn cara> cepat yg dulu pernah diajarkan Mr. X di Megadana.>> Gini caranya:>> Jumlah Aktiva Lancar dikurangi Jml.kewajiban lancar, kurangi dgn biaya> dimuka. Dapet hasilnya bagi dgn jumlah saham. Sebut hasilnya N.>> Trus hitung earning power, dgn cara adjust laba bersih , karena ANTM> rugi kurs besar, jumlahkan laba bersih dgn rugi kurs, dan tambahkan> lain2 bersih (nggak banyak bisa nggak usah di tambahkan).>> Hasilnya bagi dgn jml saham. Annualised (utk h1 2006 kalikan 2)!> Asumsikan PER 10x. Jadi kalikan 10.>> Dapat hasilnya jumlahkan dgn N diatas tadi.>>> Nih kalo penasaran saya attach.>> By the way cara ini menghasilkan harga wajar dibawah harga DCF, biasanya> hasilnya kemurahan. Tapi sering saya pakai kalo saya cuma dapet> ringkasan laporan keuangan yg ada dikoran, tanpa cash flow report. Saya> sarankan kalo dapet laporan keuangan yg lengkap use something else.>> Saya dapat di kisaran 7000. Itu utk 1h06, dimana Feni III cuma> beroperasi penuh 2 bulan. Kalo full year bisa lebih karena awal November> Feni III udah jalan lagi, plus harga nickel masih tinggi sudah 12,9> USD/lb utk kontrak 3 bulan.>> Send instant messages to your online friends> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com> -> Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] TDL & PTBA
wow...both pak pak karno and pak eka have good points...salute best regards,Karno Edy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Saya pikir kalo tahun 2007 minyak naik sampe 85-95 USD, pemerintah masih akan pegang janji. Wacana kenaikan TDL baru muncul kalo minyak tembus 110/barrel. Kalo kita sih emang bisa memahami kenaikan BBM, TDL dll kalau memang sudah terlalu jauh bedanya dengan harga wajar. Saya sendiri termasuk yg kontra subsidi /memuji sikap tegas menaikan BBM akhir 2005 (walaupun akibatnya omzet jualan saya terpukul, turun tinggal separo.) Kalaupun tidak dinaikkan, pemerintah maksa subsidi terus di luar kemampuan dan akhirnya collaps, akibatnya terasa buat kita juga. - Original Message - From: EKA SUWANDANA To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] TDL & PTBAAh dulu juga thn 2005 BBM nggak akan naik sesudah naik sekali bulan maret , eh naik juga. Trus awal Juni bilang "no reshuffle" ternyata bakal reshuffle juga. Target Jim Rogers oil bakal 95 USD. Rencana TDL naik sudah digodok dari tahun lalu dan sudah ada keputusan (panic decision) tahun depan TDL naik. Tiba2 nggak jadi karena mereka nggak ngerti grafik teknikal atau fundamental suplly demand. Nanti kalo oil naik lagi rubah lagi . Do you know SANTOS bilang JERUK III nggak feasible, tapi MEDC bilang JERUK II bagus. Kemarin MEDC bilang Indonesia cadangan minyak nggak bisa diharapkan, bakal ke Aljazair dan IRAQ utk beli blok minyak. Karno Edy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com> wrote:Saya punya pendapat TDL 2007 tidak akan naik, sekalipun oil ke 85 US/barrel, misalnya saja. Kalo dinaikan sama saja presiden (pemerintah) menjilat ludah sendiri. Kalo sampe akhir 2007 atau tahun 2008 minyak tambah mahal, baru ada kemungkinan TDL dinaikan. - Original Message - From: EKA SUWANDANA To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] TDL & PTBAYah soalnya minyak sudah turun ke 64 USD/bbl. Saking senengnya presiden lihat minyak jatuh suruh menteri purnomo supaya cepetan balik dari konfrensi OPEC, utk bahas perubahan subsidi APBN 2007 yg asumsinya 65 USD/bbl. Padahal itukan koreksi yg saya yakini hanya teknikal. Kalo minyak naik lagi lewati 70 USD/bbl yakin saya TDL naik. Lihat saja Saudi sediakan 70 miliar USD utk explorasi 2007, dan cadangan Proven dan Probable saudi sering digelembungkan. Kalo masih banyak oil disana ngapain buang2 uang utk explorasi. Jadi yg pegang PTBA berdoanya sepertinya salah, harusnya minta minyak naik bukan TDL naik. Karno Edy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com> wrote: Horeee... Listrik Tak Jadi NaikKamis, 14 September 2006Jakarta (Indofinanz) - Pemerintah memastikan tarif dasar listrik (TDL) hingga 2009 tidak akan naik seperti yang pernah dilontarkan Dirjen Listrik dan Pemanfaatan Energi Departemen ESDM J. Purwono bahwa pemerintah tengah mempersiapkan dua opsi terkait dengan TDL.Opsi pertama adalah tidak menaikkan tarif pada tahun 2007 yang berarti subsid akan berjalan seperti biasa dan yang kedua adalah opsi kenaikan TDL 12% sehingga subsidi tahun 2007, 2008, dan 2009 berkurang."Kenaikan TDL 12 persen itu hanyalah salah satu contoh percepatan penurunan subsidi listrik. Pemerintah tidak ada rencana menaikkan TDL pada 2007, 2008 dan 2009," kata Purwono di Jakarta, kemarin (13/09). Hal ini disampaikannya untuk menghindari spekulasi di masyarakat bahwa pemerintah akan menaikkan TDL tahun depan.Untuk itu Purwono meminta maaf kepada seluruh masyarakat atas pernyataannya yang ditafsirkan berbeda dan seakan-akan berbeda dengan kebijakan Presiden yang tidak menginginkan kenaikan TDL."Waktu itu, kami memaparkan tahapan penurunan subsidi listrik 2007-2010 dengan kenaikan 12 persen dan tanpa kenaikan TDL 2007. Namun, paparan tersebut muncul dalam pemberitaan sebagai rencana pemerintah menaikkan TDL pada 2007," terangnyaHoreee yang tidak hore untuk shareholder PTBA. Berdoa spy TDL naik, spt kata Pak Eka.Melihat perkembangan sampai saat ini, untuk tahun 2006, ane pesimistis harga jual ke PLN bakal naik dibanding 2005. Tentang nego kenaikan harga jual ke PLN, ane masih berharap, cuma mundur (moga-moga tahun 2007) mau naik biarpun TDL tidak naik.. (mungkin gak yach?)Jadi sekarang karena margin kecil, cuma ngandelin volume, dan volume sampai tahun 2008 tidak akan meningkat signifikan. Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/<*> Your email settings:Individual Email | Traditional<*> To change settings online go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join(Yahoo! ID required)<*> To change settings via email:mailto:obrolan-bandar-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu[EMAIL PROTECTED]com<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:obrolan-bandar-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Menyikapi grafik
Dear Pak Oen..., It's a very difficult question... But reading chart could be wisely translated into how we deal with the inclination..(given the fact the i mentioned..)...some of the share prices movements on the Jakarta bourse don't really represent the fundamental strength of the companies due to the suspected fake volume... so, if we have a chart suggesting that A share price resistance is at (let's say) IDR500, then you have to give a - and + factor of 5%, so you will find a range of between IDR475 and IDR525 resistance. Some of the inclination should also consider the country risk of Indonesia which now stands at 30%... complicated rite..? the highest inclination is in the mining sector which could be as much as 11%, while the lowest one is in the banking which is 4%... i myself have built my own software to detect any infunction of volume and share price..so whenever a share price has moved in a strange manner, my computer will be ringing... it alarms me... bests, oentoeng_q <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert ...> wrote:>> FYI, the target price for indofood based on investment flow analysis has been revised upward to IDR1,500-IDR1,600 each...> hard to explain charting for Indonesian stocks as data for trading volume sometimes corrupt and resulted in huge inclination however good the way you read the chart is...you can never find both entrance and exit points accurately> just sharing... and very disclaimer, thou > Mungkin ini yang kesekian kali P. Frederick mengungkapkan hal tersebut; Kira2 maksudnya beliau begini Bicara VOLUME bisa diadakan; beli jual SENDIRI ntar kalau sudah CUKUP tinggal mau turun/naik? Nge-BREAK katanye Bicara SUPPORT/RESISTANCE bisa dibuat; mau dimana? Misalnya ANTM mau di 5700 utk resistance? Atau 5000 buat support? Bisa DIBUATKAN ..malah kalau perlu bisa DIPESAN!? Malah kalau lihat monitor; kelihatannya ASING agresif BELI; eh ternyata sebenarnya jualan, demikian sebaliknya. Hari ini saham X ruame banget; eh besoknya PET diem ..ntah kena apa? BD nggak masuk galeri nkali? Hehehe .Pertanyaanya kalau P. Frederick MENYIKAPI GRAFIK gimana caranya? Share buat kami2 ini pak Thx before your explanation Cheers All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Cara cepat hitungan harga wajar ANTM !!!!
gt; > > > > Sepertinya Q4 (sept-des) nickel turun, tahun depan bisa balik> > > > ke 8> > > > > USD/lb.> > > > > >> > > > > > Karno Edy wrote:> > > > > > Kemarin jumping lagi, turun 6% ke 12.5-an> > > > > > Angka aman pertama di 10.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > - Original Message -> > > > > > From: Aria Bela Nusa> > > > > > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com40yahoogroups.com>bandar%> > 40yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]com 40yahoogroups.com>40yahoogroup> > s.com>> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 8:34 AM> > > > > > Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Cara cepat hitungan harga> > > > wajar> > > > > ANTM > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Istilah gampangnya - masih ada room (ruang)> > > > utk> > > > > naek2 ke atas + bumper-nya ternyata masih sangat kuat utk> > menahan > > > > > >> > > > > > Aria> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > -Original Message-> > > > > > From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com40yahoogroups.com>> > > > 40yahoogroups.com>> > > > > [mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com40yahoogroups.com>> > > > 40yahoogroups.com>]> > > > On Behalf Of EKA SUWANDANA> > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:45 PM> > > > > > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com40yahoogroups.com>bandar%> > 40yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Cara cepat hitungan harga> > wajar> > > > > ANTM > > > > > >> > > > > > Harga nickel spot memang koreksi, tapi harga yg forward 3> > > > bulan> > > > > nggak turun banyak. Harga forward 3 bulan bertahan diatas 12> > > > USD/lb.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Inget prinsip dagang futures commodities, sekarang utk nickel> > > > > perbedaan harga spot yg lebih tinggi dari harga> > forward/futures,> > > > > menandakan growth demand yg tinggi. Berarti situasi supply> > demand,> > > > > supply kekurangan, abnormal, bahasa tradernya: BACKWARDATION !> > Ini> > > > > juga berlaku utk Crude Oil, Cooper, dsb. Menandakan the bull> > is not> > > > > over yet.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Normalnya kalo pasar seimbang/well balanced , harga forward 3> > > > > bulan seharusnya lebih mahal dari harga spot. Karena harga> > forward> > > > > sudah termasuk , stock maintenance, dan juga sewa gudang,> > bahasa> > > > > tradernya, CONTANGO. Nah kalo kejadian, the bull is over (pasar> > > > bisa> > > > > sideways atau bearish lama)> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Seharusnya ANTM bullish. Mungkin BEJ lagi nggak begitu> > > > dilirik> > > > > fund asing, liat aja PER TLKM murah sekali. Atau gara2 koreksi> > > > > cooper, gold, fund asing lebih seneng trading BHP, Inco (N),> > FCX,> > > > atau> > > > > RTP (rio tinto), dimana PER mereka juga sudah murah , dibawah> > 15x..> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ANTM diharga 5300 itu real PER 2006 = 8,2x.> > > > > >> > > > > > Karno Edy wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > OK harga nickel turun.> > > > > >> > > > > > Tapi waktu kenaikan nickel dulu-dulu, apakah sesuai dgn> > > > kenaikan> > > > > harga ANTM ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Saham ANTM cuma naik seupil kalo dibandingkan dengan kenaikan> > > > > harga nickel, maksud saya harga sekarang buffer-nya masih> > banyak> > > > > (walau sudah turun, harga skrg masih tergolong tinggi).> > > > > >> > > > > > Kuartal ketiga yang tinggal setengah bulan lagi, ane yakin> > > > akan> > > > > menghasilkan peningkatan kinerja yang signifikan.> > > > > >> &
Re: [obrolan-bandar] RE: [saham] Re: Kudeta di Thailand
military coup in thailand..? take the positive side and thought...it COULD inspire foreign funds to switch to Indonesian equity and assets. there should be a short term negarive reaction...but any fall of index should be good chance to accumulate shares... disclaimer, cheersAria Bela Nusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Betul, Pak Oscar buktinya pengaruh ke global DJ semalem hanya flat (sekalian menunggu hasil sidang FED kali) mudah2an juga ke regional begitu...:) Setahu saya indeks di Thailand selama ini bergerak flat atau side-aways (600 700) & Thaksin-nya tidak mau mundur2 dr dulu Aria -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]com [mailto:saham@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Oskar SyahbanaSent: 20 September 2006 7:39To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]comSubject: [saham] Re: Kudeta di Thailand Kalau menurut saya, sepanjang kita invest untuk jangka panjang (1year+ maybe?) seharusnya engga ada masalah. Karena toh kalaupun adakoreksi, itu hanya sentimen pasar semata dan fundamental perusahaan -perusahaan tersebut engga ada yang berubah (karena pasarnya memangbukan di Thailand).Ditambah lagi, kalau melihat dari sentimen rakyatnya, cukup positifkok. I mean, they do hate their previous government afterall.On 9/20/06, Cubit Aja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com.au> wrote:> Semalam terjadi kudeta di Thailand, Thaksin diperkirakan akan kembali ke> Thailand hari ini untuk menghadapi krisis, efeknya ke tlk sudah merah> -1.34%. Apakah regional akan merah merata hari ini?>> Bung Irwan apakah target dan prediksi anda akan diubah sejalan dengan adanya> kejadian "luar biasa" ini?>> cubit>-- Oskar Syahbanahttp://permagnus.com/http://pojokbisnis.com/ -- Business from a different point of view Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
RE: [obrolan-bandar] Regional minus semua IHSG ijo sendirian....Re: OOT-yahoogroups gampang di hack ?
duh. kok percaya ama bisnis indonesia...siii. ampunA3K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Menjelang ahir tahun hati2, Kalo gak salah awal minggu ini di bisnis Indonesia ada ditulis bahwa at year end, fund manager asing yang taro duitnya di bonds dsb. Bakalan taking profit, jadi bisa jadi ada cap outflow yang lumayan harmfull .. kali ada yang masih ingat artikel tsb ??? A3K From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultantSent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:56 AMTo: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject: [obrolan-bandar] Regional minus semua IHSG ijo sendirianRe: OOT-yahoogroups gampang di hack ?Asal jangan NGOMONG kepublik lagi investasi KESINI tapidibelakangnya lagi MAU profit taking...--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, boyz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> fund manager asing pada switch investasinya kesini barangkali .> > > > Eddy Purnomo wrote:> > > > > > Regional minus semua IHSG ijo sendirian, hue..he..he. ...> > Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Regional minus semua IHSG ijo sendirian....Re: OOT-yahoogroups gampang di hack ?
dear all... there has been nothing to worry about banks...some fair corrections have to be executed but it won't touch the support of the share price of each bank... today, Monday (sep 25th), the main index may be moving up and DOWN within a limited range of between 7 and 12 points... If the main index falls more than 12 points, i believe the market maker will intervene... disclaimer up_trends <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hr senin boss bilang bakalan guyur bank.jd kalo nanti malam reg plus, hati hati aja.disclaimer. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Oskar Syahbana" ...> wrote:>> Jadi gimana nih pak FS? Apakah January effect masih bisa terasa di> Indonesia?> > What happened in the market today? Saya kira index bakalan merah juga,> ngeliat Nikkei nutup hampir -200> > On 9/22/06, Frederick Schubert ...> wrote:> >> > duh.> > kok percaya ama bisnis indonesia...siii.> > ampun> >> > *A3K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:> >> > Menjelang ahir tahun hati2,> > Kalo gak salah awal minggu ini di bisnis Indonesia ada ditulis bahwa at> > year end, fund manager asing yang taro duitnya di bonds dsb. Bakalan taking> > profit, jadi bisa jadi ada cap outflow yang lumayan harmfull .. kali ada> > yang masih ingat artikel tsb ???> > A3K> > --> > *From:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:> > obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *jsx_consultant> > *Sent:* Friday, September 22, 2006 10:56 AM> > *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com> > *Subject:* [obrolan-bandar] Regional minus semua IHSG ijo sendirianRe:> > OOT-yahoogroups gampang di hack ?> > Asal jangan NGOMONG kepublik lagi investasi KESINI tapi> > dibelakangnya lagi MAU profit taking...> >> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>,> > boyz wrote:> > >> > > fund manager asing pada switch investasinya kesini barangkali .> > >> > >> > >> > > Eddy Purnomo wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Regional minus semua IHSG ijo sendirian, hue..he..he. ...> > > >> >> >> > --> > Do you Yahoo!?> > Get on board. You're invited<http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40791/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta>to try the new Yahoo! Mail.> >> > > >> > > > -- > Oskar Syahbana> http://permagnus.com/ -- A Financial site with a human touch> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
well... come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion. If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco... The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment. cheers[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...Aria> Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc...> tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh.>> - Original Message -> From: up_trends> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM> Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?>>> what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial> lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang.>> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:> >> >> > klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana> > tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut> > itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya> >> > - Original Message -> > From: Handika Wisnu> > To: Bandar> > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM> > Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?> >> >> > Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak> (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp> 200/saham.> > Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan> ato tidak?> > Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest> options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi> konservatif).> >> > Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang> klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2> luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta.> > Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor> luar.> > Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung> fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 -> Rp1200> >> > Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham> ini?> > Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir> October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat> >> > Terimakasih banyak> >> > Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury :> >> >> > Special Mention:> > BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has> secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that> > foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If> everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may> > return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on> assets and Gordon growth methodology> > remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200> >> >> >> >> > --> --> > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.> Great rates starting at 1¢/min.> > Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Are you still WATCHING your monitor ?
let's seeI am warming it up a bit today.and the next dayshehehehe[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Strategy bagus Bah, good goggle earth trick, heheheAre you still WATCHING your monitor ?>>> Embah sent KUTA picture seen from THE SKY..>> Berbaring dipantai sambil liat cewe ASING (bukan broker> ASING lagi)... hehehe...>> NO MORE price chart, JUST FUN and RELAX...>> Coba dikeker, keliatan engga, embah lagi tiduran> ama bule... JUST KIDDING>> ...>> embah Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said... peaceup_trends <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert ...> wrote:>> well...> come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of IDR6.6 trillion.> > If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco...> > The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers> > So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential for long term investment.> > cheers> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, ya - nanti lama2> juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...> > Aria> > > Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC etc...> > tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh.> >> > - Original Message -> > From: up_trends> > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM> > Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?> >> >> > what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa sial> > lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang.> >> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" > > wrote:> > >> > >> > > klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana> > > tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut> > > itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya> > >> > > - Original Message -> > > From: Handika Wisnu> > > To: Bandar> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM> > > Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?> > >> > >> > > Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak> > (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp> > 200/saham.> > > Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan> > ato tidak?> > > Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest> > options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi> > konservatif).> > >> > > Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury bilang> > klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya bank2> > luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta.> > > Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor> > luar.> > > Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung> > fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di Rp1100 -> > Rp1200> > >> > > Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham> > ini?> > > Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir> > October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat> > >> > > Terimakasih banyak> > >> > > Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury :> > >> > >> > > Special Mention:> > > BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has> > secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that> > > foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. If> > everything goes on smoothly, BUMI may> > > return to visit IDR950 within threee months. Fair value based on> > assets and Gordon growth methodology> > > remains at IDR1,100-IDR1,200> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > --> > > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.> > Great rates starting at 1¢/min.> > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > -> Do you Yahoo!?> Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.> Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups.. but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha peace ah..up_trends <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert ...> wrote:>> don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that i don't understand with what you said...> peace> > up_trends <[EMAIL PROTECTED]..> wrote:> the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks rally giving u > a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :)> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert > > wrote:> >> > well...> > come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action > and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), > BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with PTBA > of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of > IDR6.6 trillion.> > > > If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing > or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco...> > > > The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash > flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers> > > > So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the > largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential > for long term investment.> > > > cheers> > > > ariabela@ wrote:> > Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, > ya - nanti lama2> > juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...> > > > Aria> > > > > Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC > etc...> > > tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh.> > >> > > - Original Message -> > > From: up_trends> > > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM> > > Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?> > >> > >> > > what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa > sial> > > lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang.> > >> > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" > > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana> > > > tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut> > > > itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya> > > >> > > > - Original Message -> > > > From: Handika Wisnu> > > > To: Bandar> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM> > > > Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?> > > >> > > >> > > > Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak> > > (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp> > > 200/saham.> > > > Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak dipertahankan> > > ato tidak?> > > > Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest> > > options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi> > > konservatif).> > > >> > > > Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury > bilang> > > klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya > bank2> > > luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta.> > > > Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor> > > luar.> > > > Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung> > > fair value based on asset dan Gordon growth model masih di > Rp1100 -> > > Rp1200> > > >> > > > Minta sarannya donk bwt yg sudah senior...mesti diapain ya saham> > > ini?> > > > Soalnya siklus dari pasar options di US market tu tiap akhir> > > October bakal ada major momentum. sayang bgt klo ! ampe kelewat> > > >> > > > Terimakasih banyak> > > >> > > > Kutipan dari pusat riset Valbury :> > > >> > > >> > > > Special Mention:> > > > BUMI: 690-810. Best buy below IDR690. The fact that it has> > > secured a foreign bank syndicated loan shows that> > > > foreign investors have still high confidence in BUMI's future. > If> > > everything goes on
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy... heheup_trends <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, why u still don't have bumi? :)--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert ...> wrote:>> nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of my fund> and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups..> > but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share price was at 4,400haha> peace ah..> > up_trends <[EMAIL PROTECTED]..> wrote:> I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert > > wrote:> >> > don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is that > i don't understand with what you said...> > peace> > > > up_trends wrote:> > the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks > rally giving u > > a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :)> > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert > > > wrote:> > >> > > well...> > > come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action > > and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), > > BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with > PTBA > > of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of > > IDR6.6 trillion.> > > > > > If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing > > or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as Inco...> > > > > > The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash > > flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers> > > > > > So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the > > largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has potential > > for long term investment.> > > > > > cheers> > > > > > ariabela@ wrote:> > > Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, > > ya - nanti lama2> > > juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...> > > > > > Aria> > > > > > > Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC > > etc...> > > > tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh.> > > >> > > > - Original Message -> > > > From: up_trends> > > > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM> > > > Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?> > > >> > > >> > > > what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, ketimpa > > sial> > > > lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang.> > > >> > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" > > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana> > > > > tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut> > > > > itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya> > > > >> > > > > - Original Message -> > > > > From: Handika Wisnu> > > > > To: Bandar> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM> > > > > Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan banyak> > > > (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen Rp> > > > 200/saham.> > > > > Nah, yg mo saya tanyain...apakah BUMI masih layak > dipertahankan> > > > ato tidak?> > > > > Soalnya hasil dari cut loss ini akan saya alihkan untuk invest> > > > options di US market yg return-nya rata2 10% per bulan (strategi> > > > konservatif).> > > > >> > > > > Tapi barusan saya baca review BEJ dari pusat riset Valbury > > bilang> > > > klo BUMI msh pny masa depan yg bagus, keliatan dari banyaknya > > bank2> > > > luar negeri yg msh mo memberikan pinjaman hingga 2x yg diminta.> > > > > Katanya ini menunjukkan bahwa BUMI msh dipercaya sama investor> > > > luar.> > > > > Plus target dlm 3 bulan bisa balik ke 950...dan jika dihitung> > > > fair value b
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
hehe...so rude. no wonder...edy1276 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of > my fundTong Kosong Nyaring Bunyinya..not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy...Menjilat ludah sendiri--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert ...> wrote:>> not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy...> hehe> > up_trends <[EMAIL PROTECTED]..> wrote:> funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they > still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, > why u still don't have bumi? :)> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert > > wrote:> >> > nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of > my fund> > and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups..> > > > but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that > Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share > price was at 4,400haha> > peace ah..> > > > up_trends wrote:> > I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)> > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert > > > wrote:> > >> > > don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is > that > > i don't understand with what you said...> > > peace> > > > > > up_trends wrote:> > > the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks > > rally giving u > > > a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :)> > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert > > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > well...> > > > come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action > > > and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), > > > BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with > > PTBA > > > of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of > > > IDR6.6 trillion.> > > > > > > > If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing > > > or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as > Inco...> > > > > > > > The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash > > > flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers> > > > > > > > So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the > > > largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has > potential > > > for long term investment.> > > > > > > > cheers> > > > > > > > ariabela@ wrote:> > > > Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, > > > ya - nanti lama2> > > > juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...> > > > > > > > Aria> > > > > > > > > Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC > > > etc...> > > > > tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh.> > > > >> > > > > - Original Message -> > > > > From: up_trends> > > > > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM> > > > > Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, > ketimpa > > > sial> > > > > lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang.> > > > >> > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana> > > > > > tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut> > > > > > itu riset kapan? sesudah pembatalan KPC ya> > > > > >> > > > > > - Original Message -> > > > > > From: Handika Wisnu> > > > > > To: Bandar> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:43 PM> > > > > > Subject: [obrolan-bandar] masih layakkah BUMI?> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Saya saat ini megang saham BUMI dalam jumlah yg lumayan > banyak> > > > > (menurut saya) karena dulu terpikat dgn janji mo bagi dividen > Rp> > > > > 200/
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?
sharing infos in this milist is just like against a bunch of mob...who don't want to be criticised and could not accept someone's else opinion... i would rather have a battle in the marketbut, i know people like pak edy1276 and effendi ang..? hehe are very smart and have big investment...so.. my apology, then.. this is my last comment please consider all of my comment as disclaimer and ignore them... promise and swear not to give any opnion anymore... and my best respect to embah or mbah, pak oen, and pak vibby ...keep up a good work and remind people to always be wise in investing their money in the jungle world of the equity market peace and cheers to you all bye edy1276 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of > my fundTong Kosong Nyaring Bunyinya..not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy...Menjilat ludah sendiri--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert ...> wrote:>> not that funnyi stll have some at an average of IDR35so...take an easy...> hehe> > up_trends <[EMAIL PROTECTED]..> wrote:> funny when some people said this stock is good but actually they > still dont invest in it. if u are sure enough bumi is going to 1200, > why u still don't have bumi? :)> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert > > wrote:> >> > nopebut i may be looking at heavily investing some big chunk of > my fund> > and may forecast for BUMI fair value is more than 1,200 rups..> > > > but, what u said reminded me to an event when i told people that > Telkom's fair value is at 9,000 rups...at that times Telkom's share > price was at 4,400haha> > peace ah..> > > > up_trends wrote:> > I'm guessing u have bumi? well good luck :)> > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert > > > wrote:> > >> > > don't have any problem with my investment...my problem now is > that > > i don't understand with what you said...> > > peace> > > > > > up_trends wrote:> > > the problem is are u strong enough to see other stocks > > rally giving u > > > a whooping 20%+ gain while bumi ... :)> > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert > > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > well...> > > > come on...be realistic... and please separate corporate action > > > and assets as of September 30 2006 (next 9-month earnings), > > > BUMI's assets should remain at IDR16.99 trillion, compared with > > PTBA > > > of ONLY IDR2.68 trillion, or INCO of IDR15.23 trillion or ANTM of > > > IDR6.6 trillion.> > > > > > > > If BUMI CAN manage its current debts by any kind of refinancing > > > or loan bridging or whatsoeverBUMI mabe as attractive as > Inco...> > > > > > > > The question for BUMI is how they can manage their cash > > > flow...and maintain its loyal foreign buyers> > > > > > > > So, with or without selling KPC and ARUTMIN, which are the > > > largest coal miner by ASSETS and reserves, BUMI still has > potential > > > for long term investment.> > > > > > > > cheers> > > > > > > > ariabela@ wrote:> > > > Sepertinya, pade kalah 'senior' semua sama yg punyanya, > > > ya - nanti lama2> > > > juga akan terlupakan/terselesaikan dg sendirinya...> > > > > > > > Aria> > > > > > > > > Asetnya BUMI keliatannya masih menarik dhe.. ie :Arutmin, KPC > > > etc...> > > > > tapi manajemennya,,yakkhh.> > > > >> > > > > - Original Message -> > > > > From: up_trends> > > > > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:54 PM> > > > > Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: masih layakkah BUMI?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > what goes around comes around. boongin berita di bumi, > ketimpa > > > sial> > > > > lumpur enrg. minum deh tuh lumpur sampe kenyang.> > > > >> > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Jamal Nasution" > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > klo cp nya beli banyak berarti mo kesana> > > > > > tapi klo belinya cuma dikit berarti barang banyak nyangkut> > > >
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: TOLOL JADINYA KALAU KITA NGGAK PEDULI FA
geeezsorry...i cant help commenting on money management...it sounds funny... if you mean margin, yours will be eaten by operational risk...but, if you talk about a day trade, it's too small to be true anyway, i must say that pak OEN looks having very good observation about what is going on in the market... keep up good spying and gaining best and high return pak... cheers allbozz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Ga usah dulu deh.. masih banyak yang lebih pintar dari kami Kalo balik modal banyak khan uda balik modal... apalagi Oentoeng... balik duit teruss... Teorinya banyak.kami aja bisa diintip... Kalo bisa bung Oentoeng datang deh... ntar kita ikutan datang... Ok kita ke negeri seberang dulu lagi buka nih pasarnya May God Bless All of Us - Original Message - From: oentoeng_q To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: TOLOL JADINYA KALAU KITA NGGAK PEDULI FA Wah...wah wah..Ternyata Bozz sudah Stay Tune di hari pertama habis lebaranMakanya Indeks bisa +7,9 di penutupan sesi 1.Saya sepakat dengan ANDA bahwa di bolak-balik sejauh ini Investor masih lebih unggul dibandingkan Trader.Alasan saya: Trader terlalu sering bermain di TENGAH; karena menunggu konfirmasi (buy/sell). Sedangkan Investor seringnya main di TEPIAN dan yg lebih penting bermain dengan VOLUME.Bisa kebayang dengan "permainan" RANGE lebih luas/LEBAR dan VOLUME yang lebih BESAR.Inilah modal utk masuk jajaran Fortune 500; ya nggak BOZZ??Bicara FA yg penting bagi saya adalah bagaimana mencari tahu:- Pertumbuhan EPS suatu emiten/perusahaan- Bagaimana Emiten kategori RED Chips suatu hari nanti bisa berubah menjadi BLUE Chips. Karena bicara blue chips PASTI sudah banyak yang pinter. - DllSingkatnya pasti semua orang membutuhkan ALASAN; dalam berinvestasi atau sekalian trading.Bicara Money Management ala Bozz; KOCOK2-an itu lho yg bikin nggak kuat!?Apalagi masih ditambahi dengan teori kemauan...Semua milis BAGUS menurut saya; saya sering window shopping nyari INSPIRASI ke tetangga2 sebelah.Khan tidak ditarik bayaran alias gratis; kalau ndak suka ya nggak usah dikunjungi.Pastinya semua bertujuan BAIK Berkaitan dengan Wan Al Trading Room; sekali2 BOZZ ngasih Sesi "Super TA" biar saya daftar jadi peserta.Mau nggak BOZZ?Bagaimanapun saya SALUTE kepada siapa saja yg sudah mendedikasikan dirinya buat perkembangan Pasar Modal.biar ndak MODAR melulu ceritanyaHeheheNgomong se-MAHAL2-nya belajar di pasar modal; kalau sudah jadi BOZZ pasti biayanya sudah BALIK MODAL khan???Regards--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "bozz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> INI DIA> APA KAH ANDA TAHU?> SEORANG TRADER BELUM PERNAH MASUK FORTUNE 500 KEBANYAKAN MISKIN> DAN INVESTORLAH YANG KAYA RAYA bahkan masuk FOTUNE 500> > Pernah ada bertanya kalo FA atau TA atau BA mana yang paling bagus?> Kami sarankan adalah Fundamental Analisis... ini melahirkan INVESTOR> Kalaupun ada harga turun drastis... ga usah takut khan Fundamentalnya bagus (jangan salah analisa lho)> > Mengenai Money Management kami menerapkan > 1. 30% untuk jangka Panjang > 2. 30 % untuk Jangka Menengah> 3. 40 % untuk jangka pendek (dana untuk bikin gairah panas atau dingin)> > PERNAH DI SATU SEKURITAS BERBICARA (nggak perlu disebutkan..)> Mereka membuat sesuatu entah itu Website, atau training ataupun Millis... apalahi gratis> Ada tujuan.> MONEY> by> SELLING something> That's all our purpose isn't it?> Apalagi dari Yahoo khan ga pungut bayaran so ngapain pakai banyak aturan ya nggak?> Asal jangan keluar dari maksud millist tersebut dibuat...> > Karena itu kami gabung hanya di Milis> SAHAM, OBROLAN BANDAR, BLUECHIPS TRADER termasuk WAN AL dan bukan yang lain> Gak banyak aturan lagian ga perlu identitas> Dan kadang2 tulisan kami terlambat diposting> Maklumlah status kami dibuat moderatehehehe> > > Berbicara mengenai saham sekali lagi...> > BERIKAN HADIAH PADA DIRI ANDA BILA ANDA UNTUNG> BERIKAN HUKUMAN PADA DIRI ANDA BILA ANDA RUGI> JANGAN SALAHKAN ORANG LAIN.> TANYA DIRI SENDIRI> KENAPA SAYA UNTUNG???> KENAPA SAYA RUGI ???> PASAR MODAL BUKAN SEKOLAH MURAH...> TAPI SEKOLAH LUAR BIASA MAHAL > > BTW> Ada training di Wan AL cukup bagus kalo mau ikutan...> Kami mendukung training ini karena bisa menambah investor di pasar modal kita> Jadi tambah rame... gratis lagi... cukup bagus khan?> Selamat AL> > May God Bless All of Us> > > - Original Message - > From: gitto kurniasanto > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:29 AM> Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] TOLOL JADINYA KALAU KITA NGGAK PEDULI FA> > > hmmm...ini yang saya suka di OBROLAN BANDAR, ketimbang milis LAINNYA... adanya kebebasan berpendapat embah memang moderator yang demokratis bahkan waktoe ribut2 PGAS pun tidak ada yang diBAN... benar2... pantas banyak yang mengaguminya...termasuk SAYA...udah gitoe ga ad
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: TOLOL JADINYA KALAU KITA NGGAK PEDULI FA
geeezsorry...i cant help commenting on money management...it sounds funny... if you mean margin, yours will be eaten by operational risk...but, if you talk about a day trade, it's too small to be true anyway, i must say that pak OEN looks having very good observation about what is going on in the market... keep up good spying and gaining best and high return pak... cheers allbozz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Ga usah dulu deh.. masih banyak yang lebih pintar dari kami Kalo balik modal banyak khan uda balik modal... apalagi Oentoeng... balik duit teruss... Teorinya banyak.kami aja bisa diintip... Kalo bisa bung Oentoeng datang deh... ntar kita ikutan datang... Ok kita ke negeri seberang dulu lagi buka nih pasarnya May God Bless All of Us - Original Message - From: oentoeng_q To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: TOLOL JADINYA KALAU KITA NGGAK PEDULI FA Wah...wah wah..Ternyata Bozz sudah Stay Tune di hari pertama habis lebaranMakanya Indeks bisa +7,9 di penutupan sesi 1.Saya sepakat dengan ANDA bahwa di bolak-balik sejauh ini Investor masih lebih unggul dibandingkan Trader.Alasan saya: Trader terlalu sering bermain di TENGAH; karena menunggu konfirmasi (buy/sell). Sedangkan Investor seringnya main di TEPIAN dan yg lebih penting bermain dengan VOLUME.Bisa kebayang dengan "permainan" RANGE lebih luas/LEBAR dan VOLUME yang lebih BESAR.Inilah modal utk masuk jajaran Fortune 500; ya nggak BOZZ??Bicara FA yg penting bagi saya adalah bagaimana mencari tahu:- Pertumbuhan EPS suatu emiten/perusahaan- Bagaimana Emiten kategori RED Chips suatu hari nanti bisa berubah menjadi BLUE Chips. Karena bicara blue chips PASTI sudah banyak yang pinter. - DllSingkatnya pasti semua orang membutuhkan ALASAN; dalam berinvestasi atau sekalian trading.Bicara Money Management ala Bozz; KOCOK2-an itu lho yg bikin nggak kuat!?Apalagi masih ditambahi dengan teori kemauan...Semua milis BAGUS menurut saya; saya sering window shopping nyari INSPIRASI ke tetangga2 sebelah.Khan tidak ditarik bayaran alias gratis; kalau ndak suka ya nggak usah dikunjungi.Pastinya semua bertujuan BAIK Berkaitan dengan Wan Al Trading Room; sekali2 BOZZ ngasih Sesi "Super TA" biar saya daftar jadi peserta.Mau nggak BOZZ?Bagaimanapun saya SALUTE kepada siapa saja yg sudah mendedikasikan dirinya buat perkembangan Pasar Modal.biar ndak MODAR melulu ceritanyaHeheheNgomong se-MAHAL2-nya belajar di pasar modal; kalau sudah jadi BOZZ pasti biayanya sudah BALIK MODAL khan???Regards--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "bozz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> INI DIA> APA KAH ANDA TAHU?> SEORANG TRADER BELUM PERNAH MASUK FORTUNE 500 KEBANYAKAN MISKIN> DAN INVESTORLAH YANG KAYA RAYA bahkan masuk FOTUNE 500> > Pernah ada bertanya kalo FA atau TA atau BA mana yang paling bagus?> Kami sarankan adalah Fundamental Analisis... ini melahirkan INVESTOR> Kalaupun ada harga turun drastis... ga usah takut khan Fundamentalnya bagus (jangan salah analisa lho)> > Mengenai Money Management kami menerapkan > 1. 30% untuk jangka Panjang > 2. 30 % untuk Jangka Menengah> 3. 40 % untuk jangka pendek (dana untuk bikin gairah panas atau dingin)> > PERNAH DI SATU SEKURITAS BERBICARA (nggak perlu disebutkan..)> Mereka membuat sesuatu entah itu Website, atau training ataupun Millis... apalahi gratis> Ada tujuan.> MONEY> by> SELLING something> That's all our purpose isn't it?> Apalagi dari Yahoo khan ga pungut bayaran so ngapain pakai banyak aturan ya nggak?> Asal jangan keluar dari maksud millist tersebut dibuat...> > Karena itu kami gabung hanya di Milis> SAHAM, OBROLAN BANDAR, BLUECHIPS TRADER termasuk WAN AL dan bukan yang lain> Gak banyak aturan lagian ga perlu identitas> Dan kadang2 tulisan kami terlambat diposting> Maklumlah status kami dibuat moderatehehehe> > > Berbicara mengenai saham sekali lagi...> > BERIKAN HADIAH PADA DIRI ANDA BILA ANDA UNTUNG> BERIKAN HUKUMAN PADA DIRI ANDA BILA ANDA RUGI> JANGAN SALAHKAN ORANG LAIN.> TANYA DIRI SENDIRI> KENAPA SAYA UNTUNG???> KENAPA SAYA RUGI ???> PASAR MODAL BUKAN SEKOLAH MURAH...> TAPI SEKOLAH LUAR BIASA MAHAL > > BTW> Ada training di Wan AL cukup bagus kalo mau ikutan...> Kami mendukung training ini karena bisa menambah investor di pasar modal kita> Jadi tambah rame... gratis lagi... cukup bagus khan?> Selamat AL> > May God Bless All of Us> > > - Original Message - > From: gitto kurniasanto > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:29 AM> Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] TOLOL JADINYA KALAU KITA NGGAK PEDULI FA> > > hmmm...ini yang saya suka di OBROLAN BANDAR, ketimbang milis LAINNYA... adanya kebebasan berpendapat embah memang moderator yang demokratis bahkan waktoe ribut2 PGAS pun tidak ada yang diBAN... benar2... pantas banyak yang mengaguminya...termasuk SAYA...udah gitoe ga ad
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: TOLOL JADINYA KALAU KITA NGGAK PEDULI FA
geeezsorry...i cant help commenting on money management...it sounds funny... if you mean margin, yours will be eaten by operational risk...but, if you talk about a day trade, it's too small to be true anyway, i must say that pak OEN looks having very good observation about what is going on in the market... keep up good spying and gaining best and high return pak... cheers allbozz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Ga usah dulu deh.. masih banyak yang lebih pintar dari kami Kalo balik modal banyak khan uda balik modal... apalagi Oentoeng... balik duit teruss... Teorinya banyak.kami aja bisa diintip... Kalo bisa bung Oentoeng datang deh... ntar kita ikutan datang... Ok kita ke negeri seberang dulu lagi buka nih pasarnya May God Bless All of Us - Original Message - From: oentoeng_q To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:54 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: TOLOL JADINYA KALAU KITA NGGAK PEDULI FA Wah...wah wah..Ternyata Bozz sudah Stay Tune di hari pertama habis lebaranMakanya Indeks bisa +7,9 di penutupan sesi 1.Saya sepakat dengan ANDA bahwa di bolak-balik sejauh ini Investor masih lebih unggul dibandingkan Trader.Alasan saya: Trader terlalu sering bermain di TENGAH; karena menunggu konfirmasi (buy/sell). Sedangkan Investor seringnya main di TEPIAN dan yg lebih penting bermain dengan VOLUME.Bisa kebayang dengan "permainan" RANGE lebih luas/LEBAR dan VOLUME yang lebih BESAR.Inilah modal utk masuk jajaran Fortune 500; ya nggak BOZZ??Bicara FA yg penting bagi saya adalah bagaimana mencari tahu:- Pertumbuhan EPS suatu emiten/perusahaan- Bagaimana Emiten kategori RED Chips suatu hari nanti bisa berubah menjadi BLUE Chips. Karena bicara blue chips PASTI sudah banyak yang pinter. - DllSingkatnya pasti semua orang membutuhkan ALASAN; dalam berinvestasi atau sekalian trading.Bicara Money Management ala Bozz; KOCOK2-an itu lho yg bikin nggak kuat!?Apalagi masih ditambahi dengan teori kemauan...Semua milis BAGUS menurut saya; saya sering window shopping nyari INSPIRASI ke tetangga2 sebelah.Khan tidak ditarik bayaran alias gratis; kalau ndak suka ya nggak usah dikunjungi.Pastinya semua bertujuan BAIK Berkaitan dengan Wan Al Trading Room; sekali2 BOZZ ngasih Sesi "Super TA" biar saya daftar jadi peserta.Mau nggak BOZZ?Bagaimanapun saya SALUTE kepada siapa saja yg sudah mendedikasikan dirinya buat perkembangan Pasar Modal.biar ndak MODAR melulu ceritanyaHeheheNgomong se-MAHAL2-nya belajar di pasar modal; kalau sudah jadi BOZZ pasti biayanya sudah BALIK MODAL khan???Regards--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "bozz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> INI DIA> APA KAH ANDA TAHU?> SEORANG TRADER BELUM PERNAH MASUK FORTUNE 500 KEBANYAKAN MISKIN> DAN INVESTORLAH YANG KAYA RAYA bahkan masuk FOTUNE 500> > Pernah ada bertanya kalo FA atau TA atau BA mana yang paling bagus?> Kami sarankan adalah Fundamental Analisis... ini melahirkan INVESTOR> Kalaupun ada harga turun drastis... ga usah takut khan Fundamentalnya bagus (jangan salah analisa lho)> > Mengenai Money Management kami menerapkan > 1. 30% untuk jangka Panjang > 2. 30 % untuk Jangka Menengah> 3. 40 % untuk jangka pendek (dana untuk bikin gairah panas atau dingin)> > PERNAH DI SATU SEKURITAS BERBICARA (nggak perlu disebutkan..)> Mereka membuat sesuatu entah itu Website, atau training ataupun Millis... apalahi gratis> Ada tujuan.> MONEY> by> SELLING something> That's all our purpose isn't it?> Apalagi dari Yahoo khan ga pungut bayaran so ngapain pakai banyak aturan ya nggak?> Asal jangan keluar dari maksud millist tersebut dibuat...> > Karena itu kami gabung hanya di Milis> SAHAM, OBROLAN BANDAR, BLUECHIPS TRADER termasuk WAN AL dan bukan yang lain> Gak banyak aturan lagian ga perlu identitas> Dan kadang2 tulisan kami terlambat diposting> Maklumlah status kami dibuat moderatehehehe> > > Berbicara mengenai saham sekali lagi...> > BERIKAN HADIAH PADA DIRI ANDA BILA ANDA UNTUNG> BERIKAN HUKUMAN PADA DIRI ANDA BILA ANDA RUGI> JANGAN SALAHKAN ORANG LAIN.> TANYA DIRI SENDIRI> KENAPA SAYA UNTUNG???> KENAPA SAYA RUGI ???> PASAR MODAL BUKAN SEKOLAH MURAH...> TAPI SEKOLAH LUAR BIASA MAHAL > > BTW> Ada training di Wan AL cukup bagus kalo mau ikutan...> Kami mendukung training ini karena bisa menambah investor di pasar modal kita> Jadi tambah rame... gratis lagi... cukup bagus khan?> Selamat AL> > May God Bless All of Us> > > - Original Message - > From: gitto kurniasanto > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:29 AM> Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] TOLOL JADINYA KALAU KITA NGGAK PEDULI FA> > > hmmm...ini yang saya suka di OBROLAN BANDAR, ketimbang milis LAINNYA... adanya kebebasan berpendapat embah memang moderator yang demokratis bahkan waktoe ribut2 PGAS pun tidak ada yang diBAN... benar2... pantas banyak yang mengaguminya...termasuk SAYA...udah gitoe ga ad
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Nickel jatuh tadi malam!
dear all... just sharing... daily nickel prices movement could only affect trading sentiment.. if nickel prices have fallen four days in a row, it couldn't be translated that some one should sell its equity portfolio in mining companies mostly producing nickel, as it won't affect the average selling price for the mid term which already inked in January, March, June, September and December... So, any fall of share prices COULD be good opporuntity for a buying spree We are always basing our investment on the future of something...for nickel, i believe that the trendline is still upping cheers Karno Edy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:OK, para analis ngomong average price projection sepanjang tahun 2006 adalah sekian, kemudian beberapa kali (terus) direvisi. Sekarang sudah dekat 2007, melihat harga saat ini mereka juga merevisi proyeksi harganya. Yg saya maksudkan soal average price bukan harga sekarang US13. Saya sudah liat bbrp hari lalu nickel turun 9 persenan lebih pas tutup naek lagi tinggal minus 4 persenan. Malah besoknya naek lagi. Maksud saya kalo turun apakah bisa bertahan lama, let's say MA30 - nya US10 Ane juga ngga nyangka waktu nikel bisa tembus 10 US, makanya ane bilang Who KNOWS karena cuma Yg di Atas yg tau the future - Original Message - From: EKA SUWANDANA To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Nickel jatuh tadi malam! Udah turun pak karno sudah di bawah 14 USD/lb, BAKWARDATION juga tinggal 20 cent bedanya. Yg ada tinggal Sideways atau Bearish. Tahun depan ,target ANTM nggak akan sampe 1 sepertinya. Kalo INCO different case ya, dia mau tender offer, rumor di kalangan fund manager sudah kenceng, tapi THEY JUST WANT TO MAKE IT QUITE. THEY DO NOT WANT US TO KNOW.Karno Edy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com> wrote: Omong-omong sola harga nickel, Barclays merevisi proyeksi harga sepanjang tahun 2007 dari USD 9 menjadi USD 13 kemudian, ada yg nulis let's see nickel break new high 2-3 minggu ke depan. WHo KNows.. - Original Message - From: EKA SUWANDANA To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Re: ANTM, NICKEL PRICES, ANTM VS. INCO Tahun depan paling2 maximum mentok di 12000 (kalo FENI III lancar, nickel nggak turun dari 31000 USD/MT, tapi nickel pasti koreksi tahun 2006 saja, awal tahun nickel koreksi besar dari 8USD/lb ke 6,3USD/lb, sebelum rally ke 9 USD/lb trus lanjut ke 15 USD/lb) . Bakal wara wiri di 7000-1 lama. Lihat dulu perbandingan kurs rata2 tahun ini dan tahun depan.Sudeswanto sinarmassekuritas.co.id> wrote: ANTM sudah jadi trade mark Sinarmas yah? -Original Message-From: kancilcbn [mailto:kancilcbn@yahoo.com]Sent: 05 Nopember 2006 17:24To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comSubject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: ANTM, NICKEL PRICES, ANTM VS. INCOKeduanya luar biasa..Saya yakin minimal tahun depan (6-12 bulan) dari sekarang ANTM 15000. Data-datanya kuat sekali.Coba minta data ke Sinarmas Sekuritas.Wah Pak Busur suka nulis disini ya..Salam,KancilAnggota baru--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, EKA SUWANDANA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]..> wrote:>> Siapa yg nulis 19000? Nggak mungkin lah, nggak ada proyek baru, ALUMINA masih 1-2 tahun lagi, FENI IV (ini lumayan gede tahun 2009) masih belum tentu porsi kepemilikan, ANTM dgn cash membaik pasti minta runding ulang. Weda Bay 2010-2012.> Bakal kesitu tapi nanti dan kalo nickel nggak turun. Sepertinya nickel bakal sideways atau koreksi dalam waktu 2-3 bulan, beda harga BACKWARDATION sudah tinggal 0,3-0,5 Cent USD/lb, ingat 1 bulan lalu beda diatas 1 USD, 3 bulan lalu malah 2USD/lb. Semua akan normal, terlihat sebentar lagi harga kontrak/forward 3 bulan bakal lebih tinggi dari harga spot , Contango price, end of nickel bull.> > Lebih baik beli INCO ada 5 alasan utk beli INCO:> > > Laba bersih dari Kwartal 3 JUNI -SEPT 2006 naik 100%. PER 2006= 6x, harga wajar dikisaran 37000-42000. > Ada kepastian INCO tender Offer. Kalo kejadian harga dipastikan premium (you have to know , the minority investors are high quality investor), di atas 5. > Expansi INCO 2billion USD tahun 2010. > INCO sudah dapat ijin dari Dep HUT, utk bikin PLTA di hutan lindung mertebe, cost avg. turun tinggal 1/4. > Penyajian laporan keuangan dalam USD, hedging laba bersih. Beda dgn ANTM dgn rugi kurs bakalan membesar seiring berkurangnya demand dolar Pertamina utk beli minyak yg terus turun.> > > up_trends <[EMAIL PROTECTED]..> wrote:> ada yg lagi nulis 19ribu tuh.:)> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Aria Bela Nusa" > wrote:> >> > Sekarang 'udah naek2, 'tuh - sempet kena macet2 di > Puncak> > (di-gas2 'ndak bisa maju & mundur), tapi sekarang rasa2nya 'udah > plong2.> > > > :) ANTM-nya udah 'tak kejual beberapa hari yg lalu > (7,100) -> > beli pas sebelon libur Lebaran (6,150) --> nanti mungkin beli2 lg.> > > > Aria> > > > > > -Original Mes
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Bull Bear Ratio (1661)
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha..nice one mbah..Karno Edy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:katanya biaya pengamanan perharinya 1 M, terus buat landasan khusus buat Bush.. bedil lodong mana mempan Mbah..hehehe - Original Message - From: jsx_consultant To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 4:29 PM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Bull Bear Ratio (1661) Katanya si Bush mau keistana Bogor pake chopper...Takutnya, ada orang Al Qaeda nenteng LODONG STINGER buatanAmerika , peninggalan pejuang Mujahidin Afganistan dandiarahin ke Black Hawknya si Bush... BISA jadi debu deh itu Black Hawk... hehehe...note:- LODONG adalah petasan yang dibuat dari bambu gombong yangpanjangnya sekitar 2m, dan diisi minyak tanah. Kalo maudipakai, minyak tanahnya dibikin panas sehingga minyak tanahmenjadi GAS yang bisa IGNITE dan meledak dan menimbulkansuara bom. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Karno Edy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]..> wrote:>> bukannya gamble haram Mbah ?> > - Original Message - > From: jsx_consultant > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 3:40 PM> Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Bull Bear Ratio (1661)> > > 14:35> > IHSG tinggal 1644 atau -17 dari judul posting> > Buat Gambler yang DIUSIR ama embah tadi pagi, mau GAMBLE lagi > bareng para wave SURFER ?.> > Atau mau Gamble di USDIDR aja bareng embah...> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant" > consultant@> wrote:> >> > 12:00> > > > Bull Bear Ratio (1661)> > > > > > RTI:> > - Bull = 59 dan Bear = 52 (Lebih banyak Bullnya)> > > > Etrading:> > - Bull 45 dan Bear = 50 (Lebih banyak Bearnya)> > > > IHSG +20> > > > Note:> > - Data dari RTI dan Etrading diambil pada waktu yang sama (12:00)> > - Hasilnya BEDA > > > > IHSG +20 tapi Jumlah Bull dan Bear RELATIVE sama !!!> > > > Kesimpulan:> > - Buat para GAMBLER, better STAY OUT...> > - Buat para Prof, keep RIDING the wave...> >> Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Penguasa dua dunia
just sharing Indonesia...is just like a companythe JSX is the equity of Indonesia...so, if the main index of the JSX is increasing, the debt to equity ratio of Indonesia which was very high before the economic crisis, has been slightly improving. This means that the investment risk in Indonesia isn't that as high as before. It went down from 38% to around 27% nowadays...In the long run, the better stock market, the better would be for the economy in general... Building a good market is costly, while fighting against lone foreign funds that have short term oriented, some local big funds should also fight with local followers who sometimes blindly sell anything when the main index falls anyway, the main index still has big opportunity to close the year above 1740, and will continue to crawl to 2200-2300 by the end of 2007 and slowing down in 2008 due to political campaigning This forecast and targets will be supported by a better economic growth next year, which will become a year of truth so, investment, by any mean, is on your call heavily disclaimer... cheers Lee Quid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: good point! ada advise untuk ngukur jsx sudah 'naik tinggi' mbah? supaya kita2 bisa ikutan nyimpen doeit :-)[jsx-consultant@centrin.net.id] wrote:Angka IHSG dalam BATAS +/-100 point engga bisa dipakai untuk mengukur Qualitas MAKRO ekonomi indonesiaJika IHSG digebug 100 point, yang MERANA bukan ekonomi Indonesia,tapi para SHORT TERM TRADER , alias spekulan yang cari duitbukan dari SEKTOR RIELIHSG naik 200 point lagi pun, rakyat tetap MISKIN, karena sektorRIEL tetap MANDEGEmbah INGATKAN lagi: - Keuntungan yang terbesar bagi siBOZZ di BEJ ialah saat BURSA TURUN drastis karena para SHORT TERM TRADER rugi BESAR- Jadi kalo IHSG naik TINGGI, simpan UANG ANDA deket biji P*LER...--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "dfaj21" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Nyungkem dulu mbah Ilmu dan prakteknya dahsyat, luar biasa sekali. > > Emang kalo foreign investor itu masuk dollar tuker rupiah, ngangkat> index sampe menang 100% eh sepuluh hari kemudian beli dolar lagi. Uang> dibawa masuk $ 1000 pulang-pulang $2,000. Dapet seribu untung dari> mana tuh? Bukannya nyedotin cadangan devisanya rakyat?> > Foreign investor yang kaya gitu dikemplang sikat abis aja Mbah, dulu> Indonesia gak punya bandar gampang dimaenin ama orang bule (singapore> ikutan juga gak sih?) ampe hidup merana Toko-toko abis dijarah,> rumah digadein buat nutup utang Balikin aja sekarang kalo mereka> mau ngejeburin indeks lagi. Hongkong aja bisa nahan mereka, masa kita> nggak bisa.> > Kalo pelan-pelan dilihat efeknya foreigner yang ngubek-ubek pasar kita> gak kira-kira. Udah gitu masih juga ada orang indo ngebantuin mereka> neken orang sendiri, gila uang negara dijual. Coba sekarang, emang JSX> gak ada premannya?> > EFEK SHORT TERM FOREIGN INVESTMENT YG MENANG> - JSX naek, mereka jual dapet cuan. Modal berikut cuannya dituker ke> dolar lagi berarti Cadangan Devisa turun. Berapa banyak buruh musti> kerja buat ngumpulin 1 juta USD cadangan devisa, berapa banyak hutan> lindung musti digunduli tanpa diganti buat ngebayar menangnya mereka?> > - Akibat JSX naek dan kemudian jual rupiah, jumlah Rupiah beredar jadi> banyak, USD merayap naek lagi ke 10,000 trus 12,000 trus 30,000 trus ???> > - Jumlah rupiah banyak, pemerintah berusaha menarik peredaran jumlah> rupiah dengan menaikkan suku bunga. Tambah merana lagilah saya. Idup> sudah kembang kempis sampe nyari jalan hidup dari kredit card yang> bunganya 30% per tahun, eh Jalan Credit Card juga ditutup ama> spekulator foreign. Masa sih gak disisain jalan hidup lain buat> kita-kita bangsa indonesia ini. Disini diteken disana diteken... > Pantesan aja krisisnya kita ini berkepanjangan... ampir 10 tahun> sejak krisis moneter masih juga sembrawutan.> > Masa sih gak ada bandar nasionalis yang bisa ngemplang penjahat yang> mau ngobrak-abrik pasar tradisional kita?> > Mbah, yang mau nurunin index kita di kemplang aja yah... Terima kasih> banyak sebelumnya. Kapan aja mau minta dibakarin menyan atau steik,> tinggal ketok pintu rumahnya orang indo yang 210 juta ini, pasti> disedia-in.> Sponsored Link Try Netflix today! With plans starting at only $5.99 a month what are you waiting for? __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Small business finance Business finance online Business finance training Business finance course Business finance schools Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS : Ada apa dgmu ?
Pak Karno: I believe that, if share price remains below 12,000, there should be a big possibility that the government COULD delay its plan to sell PGAS stake to January in tandem with January program buying. disclaimer... Karno Edy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kalo cuma si Oom guyur pake kz, ml atau rx sih ane gak takut. Yg ane kwatirkan yg guyur tau info duluan dari orang dalem bahwa PGAS bakal dilego discount dari harga pasar, katakanlah di harga 10.000-10.500 Mr FS, do you have info ? - Original Message - From: Frederick Schubert To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS : Ada apa dgmu ? we had ever experienced to see PGAS fell from IDR13,800 high to IDR9,600 low in Sep-octbut it went back to 12,200 only within four trading session. hehehehe this funny trader using ml, rx...will get his reward. cheers Teddy Halim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So what is the predicament today? Another blood bath? th - Sponsored Link Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro-*Terms - Sponsored Link $200,000 mortgage for $660/mo - 30/15 yr fixed, reduce debt, home equity - Click now for info
Re: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS: Distribution analysis....Re: PGAS : Ada apa dgmu ?
NICE MBAH.beautiful... jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Widhie !!!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dengan volume yang begitu gede, emang terasa bener aroma pertarungan kubu > bullish melawan kubu bearish, spt kata pak oentoeng, gajah-gajah lagi > bertarung. Di satu sisi pemerintah kebelet jualan untuk ngejar setoran, di Penurunan harga PGAS bisa diramalkan dari DULU DULU jika kita menggunakan Distribution Analysis. Sudah 2 bulan, PGAS dibagi oleh si BOZZ. Tidak perlu ilmu bandarmologi untuk TAHU INI. Tehnik A/D (Accumulation/Distribution) dari Larry William sangat JELAS menunjukan adanya DISTRIBUSI barang... Jika dimilis pak FS, pak IAN dll merekomendasikan PGAS, maka si BOZZ dengan SANTAInya mencuci GUDANGnya selama DUA BULAN, embah ulangi DUA BULAN Pada waktu siBOZZ dua bulan jualan, TIDAK ADA yang TERIAK PANIK, tapi ketika siBOZZ mau MENUNTASKAN HAJATANNYA, ANGKA ANGKA dan milis menjadi 'PANAS'. Asing NET SELL sekian miliar, ML jualan, Harga GAS didiscount.. dan SEGALA MACAM TERROR NEWS bermunculan.. Ingat RUMUS BANDARMOLOGI SEDERHANA INI: - Pada waktu siBOZZ jualan, umumnya para trader tidak akan merasakannya (Sungai tak beriak artinya DALAM) - pada waktu barang siBOZZ habis, TERROR NEWS akan MUNCUL dengan gencar seperti SAAT INI.. BERITA JELEK bisa DIBikin, VOLUME bisa DIATUR, NET SELL ASING bisa dimanipulasi, NET SELL BROKER TIDAK BISA DIPERCAYA. (Sungai bisa dibikin BERIAK dengan DIOBOK OBOK) - TERROR NEWS ditujukan untuk MENGHANCURKAN mental para investor agar para trader CUT-LOSS. - Pada level berapa siBOZZ akan menghancurkan PGAS, cuman siBOZZ yang TAU. Yang jelas pada Level tsb, para investor sudah NYERAH, sehingga siBOZZ bisa mengcover barang yang DISHORT selama 2 bln. - Pada situasi ini, strategi para trader hanya bisa DEFENSIF, yaitu MENGGALI PARIT PERLINDUNGAN pada level SUPPORT. - Jika SUPPORT tembus, lakukan EXIT dan bersiap lagi diPARIT dengan SUPPORT BARU. Kalo pusing dengan cara ini, lupain PGAS... - Jika harga REBOUND, MASUK lagi ketika signal BUY sudah JELAS. - Pada saat BEGINI, cuman PRICE yang bisa dipercaya, YG LAIN seperti NET SELL kemungkinan besar cuman ARTIFICIAL/BUATAN doang, artinya HARGA TURUN LEBIH DALAM dibanding DISTRIBUSInya, kalo istilah MARKETnya : PASAR PANIK ... INGAT: - Jangan engkau BERFIKIR anda bisa meramalkan LOWEST POINT. - Anda boleh MENEBAK, tapi jika SALAH, AKUI kesalahan tsb dengan CUT-LOSS Tambahan: - Pelajari lagi DIVERGENSI harga saham dengan index sebagai tanda terjadinya DISTRIBUSI. (Lihat data dua bulan kebelakang). Jika anda pelajari tehnik ini, maka FA sebagus APAPUN tidak ada GUNANYA karena siBOZZ lagi CUCI GUDANG secara diam diam pada saat IHSG naik tinggi... ... embah, bandarmologist > sisi lain, ada big player yang sedang manfaatin kesempatan dalam kesempitan > pemerintah,tekeeen teruss to be or not to be.. at all cost... > padahal secara fundamental tidak ada masalah ( EPS naik 266%, dan sejauh ini > tidak ada berita negatif ). > Kalau boleh kasih ide buat kubu bullish nih (bandar-bandar pemerintah) > daripada otot-ototan seharian, pagi-pagi begitu opening, menit-menit > pertama, langsung serbu dengan modal puluhan atau ratusan milyar, harga kan > langsung naik sekian poin, kemudian pertahankan sampai siang, lebih bagus > lagi kalau sampai closing. Itung-itungan modalnya : daripada pemerintah jual > PGAS pada harga diskon 25% ( katakanlah harusnya 16000, tapi harga market > cuma 12000 ) atau kehilangan 750 milyar ( 25% x 3 trilyun ), mending nyiapin > 750 milyar buat uang muka ( ingat uang muka, bukan uang hilang ) untuk modal > ngangkat harga. > Kita-kita sebagai WNI juga nggak rela klo barang bagus dijual diskon. > Bagaimanapun, ini kan aset negara juga. Kalau jadi kejual akhir tahun ini, > kemungkinan yang beli kan asing ( dari lokal, berapa banyak yang punya duit > 3 trilyun dan tertarik bisnis gas? ). Masak buat bule kita kasih diskon, > ntar kayak ISAT, yang terlanjur dijual dengan harga obral ke Singapura, > sampai sekarang ndak bisa buy back tuh... > > rgds > > On 11/15/06, kurniawanirianto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Bisa jadi, faktor divestasi yang belum kelar,membuat harga PGAS > > menjadi bahan spekulasi...disatu sisi, pemerintah butuh dana 3T dan > > mengarah ke harga tertentu seperti yang telah dibahas pak Widhie > > sebelumnya...disatu sisi, investor2 yang mengincar saham yang akan di- > > divestasikan pasti menginginkan harga yang murah...makanya di tekan > > terusso, kita nonton2 saja pertarungan ini...siapa yang bakalan > > menang??? > > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Bambang S wrote: > > > > > > kira-2 support terendahnya berapa ya,?? > > > apa karena ada disventasi harga diturunin dulu untuk > > > kollek harga terendah ? setelah disventasi harga > > > dinaikin deh > > > > > > --- kurniawanirianto > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Perlu kesabaran tingkat tinggi untuk ikut ber
Re: [obrolan-bandar] [saham] Fwd: PGAS: Distribution analysis....Re: PGAS : Ada apa dgmu ?
it's correct pak simanjuntak (the ceo) will be leaving, replaced by (may be) alfred rohimone former pertamina cfo (disclaimer...) venue: grand hyatt at 1400 indonesia time see you there.hehehehe Oskar Syahbana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Eh saya lihat dari eTrading, PGAS itu RUPS tanggal 17 november besok ya? RUPSnya tentang apa ya kira - kira? Apakah dijatuhkan dulu gara2 ancang2 RUPS besok? Dan range pergerakan PGAS setelah terjerambab jadi sempit nih hari ini. Kebanyakan cuma ada di 10950-11000 (yang paling banyak). Apakah kumpulkan lagi atau bagaimana? (PS: saya juga masih agak sangsi dari data etrading, soalnya tempat RUPS-nya engga diberitahukan, emang bisa ya begitu?) On 11/16/06, oentoeng_q <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Wah berarti Embah orangnya MODIST juga... Atau cuman jadi pemerhati/pengamat MODE? Kira2 tahun depan mode-nya berubah nggak Mbah? Wong disini sudah dikupas habis-habisan? Biar saya yg jadi "tukang gunting" tahu model apa yg akan disukai pasar --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant" wrote: > > Pak Widhie, > > Embah MALAH bilang JANGAN PERCAYA ama NET SELL ASING dan NET SELL > broker dalam beberapa hari ini. > > Embah bilang, DISTRIBUSI saham PGAS sudah dilakukan sejak DUA > bulan lalu 'TANPA TERASA' > > Si BOZZ kalo lagi jualan pake broker KECIL dan KODE LOKAL supaya > ENGGA KELIATAN > > Jadi kalo MINGGU INI die jualan pake broker asing dan kode ASING > artinya die mau bikin MARKET PANIK... Engga MAKE SENSE dibursa > ada FM mau JUALAN secara DEMONSTRATIF. Orang DEMO kan mau > cari PERHATIAN. > > Kalo orang mau JUALAN dibursa, dia pasti akan melakukannya secara > DIAM DIAM, tau tau barangnya udah habis > > Jadi kalo anda percaya dengan PGAS bisa naek lagi dengan RETURN > tinggi, embah kira anda ENGGA USAH LIAT monitor, NGAPAIN liatin > si BOZZ yang lagi DEMO.. Kecuali embah yang SELALU meneliti > TINGKAH LAKU kelinci kelinci percobaan embah yaitu para > BD...hehehe... > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Widhie !!!" > wrote: > > > > Trading saham itu bukan sekedar 'bandar mengecoh market', 'bandar > melawan > > pemerintah' atau 'bandar menampung barang TA-ers' dan cerita- > cerita heboh > > lain tentang sekelompok orang-orang cerdik bin licik, pait, keji > dan > > kejaaamm (kata pak oentoeng, hahaha... ) dengan modal gede yang > mengakali > > pelaku pasar lain, khususnya trader bermodal kecil dengan > informasi dan > > sumber daya terbatas. > > > > Kembali ke premis awal, orang invest di bursa saham itu adalah > menempatkan > > duit di aset yang bagus dan memberi return yang bagus juga. > Trading saham > > itu adalah tentang kepemilikan atas aset-aset yang bagus : jika > selalu > > memberi return bagus, kemungkinan kepemilikan akan ditambah, > sebaliknya jika > > terus-menerus memberi return jelek, kemungkinan kepemilikan akan > dikurangi > > atau dilego semua. Kalau ada perusahaan yang dari tahun ke tahun > revenue-nya > > terus meningkat, EPS meningkat, deviden juga meningkat, bukankah > perusahaan > > itu bisa disebut aset yang bagus? Nah, jika ada barang bagus > dijual murah, > > yang pinter siapa dan yang bodo siapa? > > > > Permainan bandar, jika mengikuti tulisan pak oentoeng, berkisar > 20an %. Jika > > lebih dari itu, siap-siap ketemu bandar lain yang mau nampung > barang dengan > > senang hati. Bisa-bisa, barang bagus yang dijual murah (di- short) > ndak bisa > > dibeli balik di harga murah juga gara-gara di-keep ama bandar lain > yang ndak > > mau ngelepas kecuali di harga mahal. Hal ini berlaku buat PGAS, > TLKM, ASII, > > UNTR dll. Jangan ngomong soal RAJA atau sebangsanya, ndak > kukuuu... :-) > > > > rgds > > > > > > On 11/16/06, jsx_consultant wrote: > > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant" > > consultant@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Widhie !!!" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dengan volume yang begitu gede, emang terasa bener aroma > > > pertarungan kubu > > > > bullish melawan kubu bearish, spt kata pak oentoeng, gajah- > gajah > > > lagi > > > > bertarung. Di satu sisi pemerintah kebelet jualan untuk ngejar > > > setoran, di > > > > > > Penurunan harga PGAS bisa diramalkan dari DULU DULU jika > > > kita menggunakan Distribution Analysis. > > > > > > Sudah 2 bulan, PGAS dibagi oleh si BOZZ. Tidak perlu ilmu > > > bandarmologi untuk TAHU INI. Tehnik A/D > (Accumulation/Distribution) > > > dari Larry William sangat JELAS menunjukan adanya DISTRIBUSI > > > barang... > > > > > > Jika dimilis pak FS, pak IAN dll merekomendasikan PGAS, maka > > > si BOZZ dengan SANTAInya mencuci GUDANGnya selama DUA BULAN, > > > embah ulangi DUA BULAN > > > > > > Pada waktu siBOZZ dua bulan jualan, TIDAK ADA yang TERIAK > > > PANIK, tapi ketika siBOZZ mau MENUNTASKAN HAJATANNYA, ANGKA > > > ANGKA dan milis menjadi 'PANAS'. Asing NET SELL sekian miliar, > > > ML jualan, Harga GAS didiscount..
Re: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS; SO MANY RUMORS TO KILL THE SHARE PRICE
there are many fridays comingso..? hehehehehehe which friday? let's see...time frame can be set up...timing is just a metter of faith... here..? I just want to share some infos to make us more alert on what's going on. choices are yours. I think suhu IAN is laughing now... cheers boyz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hehehe ... mr. schubert ganti label yah ? dear mr.pemainbesar, i heard that news too ... i suppose your purpose mailing this news is for a good reason, to tell the truth about exactly what is going on. or perhaps to invite people here to get involved or make some contribution in the war tomorrow (isn't it?) i guessed that you are a kind of long term investor and might have a big scale fund, i thought it might be only who had longer time frame investing that follow your invitation. as we knew, everyone here have different trading systems/rules, different time frame and different scale of fund. so don't be obsessed if not everyone in here doesn't follow your war. they are not join the speculators (and might don't realized who they joint to), THEY JUST JOINT THE TREND. they are not fight back anyone, THEY JUST FIGHT BACK AGAINST A LOOSING POSITION. hehehe ... but don't get me wrong, i'm not opposed you in this matter. let's see some little contribution tomorrow. and let's see ... can this little contribution settled PGAS at your target price IDR11,500 tomorrow ? (i'm not pretty much sure, but who knows. hehehe) or speculators pull it down below IDR10,500. only GOD knows. regards, pemainbesar wrote: WARNING: One big speculator.. . his name is LMS, and wife VT, opened accounts (VERY RECENTLY) in several foreign and domestic securities companies to kill PGAS share price. Today (late Thursday) he spread another new rumor saying that the government will sell PGAS at below IDR10,000 a share. WHICH IS BASELESS .!! AS THE STATE-OWNED AFFAIR MINISTRY ISTASKED TO RAISE RP3 TRILLION FROM THE PRIVATIZATION PROGRAM THIS YEAR... BAPEPAM MAY COMPLETE INVESTIGATING THIS CASE VERY SOON BUT I DOUBT IT WILL DARE TO SANCTION THE SPECULATOR.. ..IT MAY ONLY FINE THE BROKERAGE FIRMS.. WANNA JOIN THE SPECULATOR.. .? OR FIGHT BACK AGAINST HIM...? NOW I OPENLY STAGE AN OPEN WAR... YOU FEEL BIG...HUH... ? ANY COMMENT..? MOTIVE..? - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS, so many rumours kill this share
hehehehehehe...let's see how big mr. sinaga is.come on press it to below 10,000...be more than happy to collect it. Budi Kurniawan Kumala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Tambah hari tambah sepertinya korban dari Arena Gladiator PGAS ini semakin banyak, darah semakin banyak dicurahkan. Sepertinya tinggal pemain yang Kuat Modal , Nekat , Iseng saja yang masih berusaha menaklukan Beruang Ngamuk ini, Seperti yang dihimbau banyak pemain senior , mending tunggu aja dulu, kalau sudah terkapar baru serbu ( 10.000 .? ) TA & Fa Bagus. , Harga masih ditahan Rumour divestasi pemerintah, harga tambah di press ke bawah Pergantian direksi & komisaris , Ngak efek ngangkat harga. Ditambah Pipa Gas meledak di Porong Sidoarjo Apalagi info terbaru dari Mr. FS tentang skenario untuk membabat semua pendekar di arena. , tambah bikin seru aja nih. any comment ? Kayaknya masukin dulu aja saham kita ini di lemari besi. simpan sampai Old and New tanggal 2 January 2007 intip lagi, Mau belajar Long-term ah kayak Mr. FS. Regards Budi - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. - Sponsored Link Degrees for employed people - in as fast as 1 year. A.S. / Bachelors / Masters
Re: [obrolan-bandar] SULI , another darvas' stock telah breakout
SULI? eps minus IDR90 as of Sep 30.Return on assets minus 6.7%, ROE minus 26%, PE ratio minus 24 times geez buying recommendation must be from the cooked up master bravo...bravo.. budi suryono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: suli tampaknya telah breakout darbasenya,buy suli now.rgds - Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. - Sponsored Link Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Associate - Click now to apply
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: SULI , another darvas' stock telah breakout
yeh...pak oen...it only happens in indonesia. oentoeng_q <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Siapapun yg coba2 jual SULI-W di bawah 1000 perak...jangan khawatir tidak laku! Karena "para penampung" sudah siap sikat habis Mereka berharap SULI-W akan dijual di 2000 tahun depan. Di saat SULI telah mencapai 3000 lebih tentunya Lapkeu minus...yg penting story-nya... Begitu pesen Master Cooking.Mister Frederick --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > SULI? > eps minus IDR90 as of Sep 30.Return on assets minus 6.7%, ROE minus 26%, PE ratio minus 24 times > geez > buying recommendation must be from the cooked up master > bravo...bravo.. > > budi suryono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > suli tampaknya telah breakout darbasenya,buy suli now.rgds > > > - > Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > > > - > Sponsored Link > > Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Associate - Click now to apply > - Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Bear Season ?!?
hehehehehe... How about if I jack up the main index tomorrow by another 30 points.. and close at 1718..? would you have another bearish comment..? disclaimerjust a joke. Santo Vibby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please.. beware of BEAR season... Jika market ditutup dibawah 1709.. please be packed, lift ur skirt, and RUN DONT WALK !! Good Luck Vibby Note : Disclaimer... decissions is your.. mau denger sukur, kaga jg gak masalah.. jgn cerewet ke saya ya :D - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Bear Season ?!?
if it hits 1738.. i am afraid it will ruin so many charts...hehehehe Santo Vibby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Kenapa gak sekalian ke 1738 uncle FS ? Cuman nambah 20 point dari yang anda tawarkan koq hehehhe Well.. buat saya moment seperti ini yg bikin jantung saya sehat... kesempatan utk memanfaatkan naik turunnya sebuah harga dalam 1 hari ? Wah thx banget Uncle FS But i'm sure there's a probabilities that JSX will touched 1680 tommorow than 1718 of yours...disclaimer and just a joke too - Original Message - From: Frederick Schubert To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Bear Season ?!? hehehehehe... How about if I jack up the main index tomorrow by another 30 points.. and close at 1718..? would you have another bearish comment..? disclaimerjust a joke. Santo Vibby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please.. beware of BEAR season... Jika market ditutup dibawah 1709.. please be packed, lift ur skirt, and RUN DONT WALK !! Good Luck Vibby Note : Disclaimer... decissions is your.. mau denger sukur, kaga jg gak masalah.. jgn cerewet ke saya ya :D - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. __ NOD32 1886 (20061127) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. gifQWhDjPtpdV.gif Description: GIF image
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Time to Short ?
God.inflation in november will likely be MUCH better than in October and may drive the overall year-on year inflation less than 7% by the end of 2006. Lapindo...? geez...there has never been in any economic book that case like lapindo has impacted in the CPI calculation in November... I don;t know...may be I am too stupid for realgeez... "Achmad Chamdani Eka P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Betul boss. Short term tampaknya arahnya ke selatan. Market sudah mulai jenuh ingin istirahat sebentar. Bernanke hari ini bilang dolar bakal tidak ada pemotongan interest. So, kemungkinan dollar short term trend sedikit menguat. Kemungkinan besar nilai perdagangan Oct. dan CPI index masih belum membaik (kena Lapindo kali ya ?). - Original Message - From: chakim To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 6:19 PM Subject: RE: [obrolan-bandar] Time to Short ? Nge short saham murah, deg deg doang. Kalo pgas enak kali ya. Dulu untuk saham murah, ada pasar negoisasi. Itu bikin gak deg deg an karena mainnya 1 perak. Ini juga bisa untuk ngeliat arahnya mo kemana ke kanan atau ke kiri. -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hotma Sirait Sent: 29 Nopember 2006 8:17 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Time to Short ? mengingat prediksi embah hari ini, tgl 29 nov 2006 (Idiot Wave) dan peringatan pak santo vibby, rasanya hari ini big opportunity to short sell first time in the morning (the first cut is the deepest). sekarang masalahnya saham2 mana yg mau di-short dengan potensi cuan paling gede. kira2 saham yang mana ya PNIN, PGAS, BBKP, BNII, APOL, TRUB-W, dll (kecuali saham IPO Mobile-8) ?. any idea ? regards, hotma sirait *disclaimer is on* __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited Yahoo! Groups Links - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Bear Season ?!?
Santo Vibby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Please.. beware of BEAR season... Jika market ditutup dibawah 1709.. please be packed, lift ur skirt, and RUN DONT WALK !! Good Luck Vibby Note : Disclaimer... decissions is your.. mau denger sukur, kaga jg gak masalah.. jgn cerewet ke saya ya :D - Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
Re: Fw: [obrolan-bandar] Bear Season ?!?
let's see at the closebut it's better than 1680RITE...? Candle stick for dinner..? Santo Vibby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hehehehehe... How about if I jack up the main index tomorrow by another 30 points.. and close at 1718..? would you have another bearish comment..? disclaimerjust a joke. Santo Vibby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please.. beware of BEAR season... Jika market ditutup dibawah 1709.. please be packed, lift ur skirt, and RUN DONT WALK !! Good Luck Vibby Note : Disclaimer... decissions is your.. mau denger sukur, kaga jg gak masalah.. jgn cerewet ke saya ya :D - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. __ NOD32 1886 (20061127) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.
Re: Fw: [obrolan-bandar] Bear Season ?!?
let's see at the closebut it's better than 1680RITE...? Candle stick for dinner..? anyway, i was about to say that you have a great calculationif it hits 1680...(i have to be a good sportmanship to accept my defeat) I am still learning people's behaviour, thou please take my apology if there is any inconvenience i caused cheers and regards Santo Vibby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hehehehehe... How about if I jack up the main index tomorrow by another 30 points.. and close at 1718..? would you have another bearish comment..? disclaimerjust a joke. Santo Vibby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please.. beware of BEAR season... Jika market ditutup dibawah 1709.. please be packed, lift ur skirt, and RUN DONT WALK !! Good Luck Vibby Note : Disclaimer... decissions is your.. mau denger sukur, kaga jg gak masalah.. jgn cerewet ke saya ya :D - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. __ NOD32 1886 (20061127) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com - Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
Re: Fw: [obrolan-bandar] Bear Season ?!?
thanks Vbkeep a good one... cheers Santo Vibby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No Probs uncle FS, there's no need to apologize, i'm not offended at all.. afterall it just a part of the game, we had our differences.. That doesn't mean Vb vs FS rite ? hehehehhe Actually i do have another calculations of today market that posted at www.j-club.biz yesterday.. i have almost the same numbers as yours, mine at 1717 hehehe... - Original Message ----- From: Frederick Schubert To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [obrolan-bandar] Bear Season ?!? let's see at the closebut it's better than 1680RITE...? Candle stick for dinner..? anyway, i was about to say that you have a great calculationif it hits 1680...(i have to be a good sportmanship to accept my defeat) I am still learning people's behaviour, thou please take my apology if there is any inconvenience i caused cheers and regards . - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. gifBUn203wAm9.gif Description: GIF image
Re: Fw: [obrolan-bandar] Bear Season ?!?
hurr...finally i can make people laugh..(although i only missed 5 points) hehehehehehehehehehehe Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ikutan nyengir ahh On 11/30/06, Aria Bela Nusa < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: :) Yeah you're so funny, Uncle FS I never stand laugh long like this he he Best Regards, Aria -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Frederick Schubert Sent: 29 Nopember 2006 15:41 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: [obrolan-bandar] Bear Season ?!? let's see at the closebut it's better than 1680RITE...? Candle stick for dinner..? Santo Vibby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hehehehehe... How about if I jack up the main index tomorrow by another 30 points.. and close at 1718..? would you have another bearish comment..? disclaimerjust a joke. Santo Vibby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Please.. beware of BEAR season... Jika market ditutup dibawah 1709.. please be packed, lift ur skirt, and RUN DONT WALK !! Good Luck Vibby Note : Disclaimer... decissions is your.. mau denger sukur, kaga jg gak masalah.. jgn cerewet ke saya ya :D - - Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Future IHSG by Mama Idiot
gebukan what...mbah..? it's a normal daily trading some have to reduce portfolio in BMRI, while some other have to maintain TLKM ARE YOU SURE YOU ARE THE ONE THAT "GEBUK" THE MARKET...? heheheit means you sold more than IDR700 billion. welljust a joke and a friendly reminder. cheers and much respect jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Closing sesi 1: IHSG +12 atau turun -12 kena GEBUKAN embah...hehehe... Apakah embah yang akan KENA GEBUK disesi 2 ?. Anyone CAN say, but NOONE KNOWS.. - For EVERY BUYING, there will be a corresponding SELLING and vice versa... - For EVERY BUYING prediction, there will be a coresponding SELLING prediction JADI buat setiap prediksi yang BENAR, akan ada prediksi yang SALAH, because BUYER need SELLER rite ?. Jika SEMUA PREDIKSI BUY BENAR, WHO will be the SELLER if everybody want TO BUY and nobody want to sell ... SOMEBODY HAS TO BE WRONG in the market in order for the market to OPERATE... JADI HATI HATI dimarket, karena UNTUK MENANG, somebody has to LOSE because THAT IS THE WAY THE MARKET WORK untill THE END OF the world... MARKET is the symbol of FREE FIGHT, only THE FITTEST WILL SURVIVE ARE YOU ??? ! --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Halim Mintareja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ngak ada salahnya mulai siapkan exit strategy buat jaga-jaga... > > moga-moga tidak diperlukan Tapi kalau sampai diperlukan kita sudah siap > > > On 11/30/06, jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > 10:41 > > > > IHSG 1737 +24, atau mencapai lagi LEVEL KOSMIS 1734... > > > > GEBUK LAGI AAHhhh... > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com , > > "jsx_consultant" > consultant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Target W5 = LONCATAN KOSMIS 1,62 x W3 = 1734... > > > > > > This morning HIGH = 1738 or oveshoot 4 point... > > > > > > Sepertinya Time Golden Day for HIGH menjadi HARI INI... > > > > > > SIAP SIAP > > > > > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com , > > "jsx_consultant" > > consultant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > A reminder > > > > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, > > "jsx_consultant" > > > consultant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Future IHSG by Mama Idiot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Menurut ramalan paranormal MAMA IDIOT, IHSG akan mencapai > > > PUNCAKnya > > > > > nya sekitar tgl 29 November dan sesudah itu REVERSAL, dan dalam > > > > > SEMINGGU akan mencapai NEW LOW (jadi TURUNNYA AKAN KENCENG > > BANGET) > > > > > > > > > > Ramalan ini menggunakan tehnik GOLDEN TIME RATIO 2,62... > > > > > > > > > > Kalo MELESET, yah namanya juga RAMALAN.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Future IHSG by Mama Idiot
welllPulau BURU is a nice place now..it's more human and like a hidden paradise...why should i worry? I love Indonesia... don't wanna see anyone ruins market by thoughts that many people don't really understand hopefullysometimes...somehowafter the reversal theory passed by.we will be proud of the jakarta main index(so far the best performer in the global market..) cheers jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ini GEBUKAN gaya KOPKAMTIB jaman ORBA... Pak Domo cukup BILANG GEBUG, udah bikin badan pada PANAS DINGIN... Tapi buat player seperti pak FS, mungkin baru PANAS DINGIN kalo mau dibawa ke P. BURU... hehehe... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > gebukan what...mbah..? it's a normal daily trading some have to reduce portfolio in BMRI, while some other have to maintain TLKM ARE YOU SURE YOU ARE THE ONE THAT "GEBUK" THE MARKET...? heheheit means you sold more than IDR700 billion. welljust a joke and a friendly reminder. > cheers and much respect > > jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Closing sesi 1: > > IHSG +12 atau turun -12 kena GEBUKAN embah...hehehe... > > Apakah embah yang akan KENA GEBUK disesi 2 ?. Anyone CAN say, > but NOONE KNOWS.. > > - For EVERY BUYING, there will be a corresponding SELLING and > vice versa... > - For EVERY BUYING prediction, there will be a coresponding > SELLING prediction > > JADI buat setiap prediksi yang BENAR, akan ada prediksi yang > SALAH, because BUYER need SELLER rite ?. > > Jika SEMUA PREDIKSI BUY BENAR, WHO will be the SELLER if everybody > want TO BUY and nobody want to sell ... > > SOMEBODY HAS TO BE WRONG in the market in order for the market > to OPERATE... > > JADI HATI HATI dimarket, karena UNTUK MENANG, somebody has > to LOSE because THAT IS THE WAY THE MARKET WORK untill THE END > OF the world... > > MARKET is the symbol of FREE FIGHT, only THE FITTEST WILL > SURVIVE ARE YOU ??? ! > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Halim Mintareja" > wrote: > > > > Ngak ada salahnya mulai siapkan exit strategy buat jaga-jaga... > > > > moga-moga tidak diperlukan Tapi kalau sampai diperlukan kita > sudah siap > > > > > > On 11/30/06, jsx_consultant wrote: > > > > > > 10:41 > > > > > > IHSG 1737 +24, atau mencapai lagi LEVEL KOSMIS 1734... > > > > > > GEBUK LAGI AAHhhh... > > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "jsx_consultant" > > consultant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Target W5 = LONCATAN KOSMIS 1,62 x W3 = 1734... > > > > > > > > This morning HIGH = 1738 or oveshoot 4 point... > > > > > > > > Sepertinya Time Golden Day for HIGH menjadi HARI INI... > > > > > > > > SIAP SIAP > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "jsx_consultant" > > > consultant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A reminder > > > > > > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "jsx_consultant" > > > > consultant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Future IHSG by Mama Idiot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Menurut ramalan paranormal MAMA IDIOT, IHSG akan mencapai > > > > PUNCAKnya > > > > > > nya sekitar tgl 29 November dan sesudah itu REVERSAL, dan > dalam > > > > > > SEMINGGU akan mencapai NEW LOW (jadi TURUNNYA AKAN KENCENG > > > BANGET) > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramalan ini menggunakan tehnik GOLDEN TIME RATIO 2,62... > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalo MELESET, yah namanya juga RAMALAN.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > - Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Future IHSG by Mama Idiot
the larger part of the TA community say this is a trend in trend situation. bullish...? or bearish...? let's see meif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Sore Senior2 Waduh, kalo embah, Pak Tangkas, Pak Oen, Bung Ian bilangnya ke selatan, kayaknya lebih ke arah selatan lho, jangan2 hanya bull sesaat/ jebakan nih ? Ya udah, ati2 aja yuk Trims banyak ^^ - Original Message - From: tangkas To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Future IHSG by Mama Idiot PONDOKAN SI EMBAH INI PENUH DEMOKRASI 1.MBAH DAN REKAN LAINNYA BILANG MAU KESELATAN 2.Mr FS dan Rekan lainnya BILANG KEUTATARA YG BENAR PUTUSAN DIRI SENDIRI WALAU SAYA SEPENDAPAT MBAH SALAM jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ini GEBUKAN gaya KOPKAMTIB jaman ORBA... Pak Domo cukup BILANG GEBUG, udah bikin badan pada PANAS DINGIN... Tapi buat player seperti pak FS, mungkin baru PANAS DINGIN kalo mau dibawa ke P. BURU... hehehe... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > gebukan what...mbah..? it's a normal daily trading some have to reduce portfolio in BMRI, while some other have to maintain TLKM ARE YOU SURE YOU ARE THE ONE THAT "GEBUK" THE MARKET...? heheheit means you sold more than IDR700 billion. welljust a joke and a friendly reminder. > cheers and much respect > > jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Closing sesi 1: > > IHSG +12 atau turun -12 kena GEBUKAN embah...hehehe... > > Apakah embah yang akan KENA GEBUK disesi 2 ?. Anyone CAN say, > but NOONE KNOWS.. > > - For EVERY BUYING, there will be a corresponding SELLING and > vice versa... > - For EVERY BUYING prediction, there will be a coresponding > SELLING prediction > > JADI buat setiap prediksi yang BENAR, akan ada prediksi yang > SALAH, because BUYER need SELLER rite ?. > > Jika SEMUA PREDIKSI BUY BENAR, WHO will be the SELLER if everybody > want TO BUY and nobody want to sell ... > > SOMEBODY HAS TO BE WRONG in the market in order for the market > to OPERATE... > > JADI HATI HATI dimarket, karena UNTUK MENANG, somebody has > to LOSE because THAT IS THE WAY THE MARKET WORK untill THE END > OF the world... > > MARKET is the symbol of FREE FIGHT, only THE FITTEST WILL > SURVIVE ARE YOU ??? ! > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Halim Mintareja" > wrote: > > > > Ngak ada salahnya mulai siapkan exit strategy buat jaga-jaga... > > > > moga-moga tidak diperlukan Tapi kalau sampai diperlukan kita > sudah siap > > > > > > On 11/30/06, jsx_consultant wrote: > > > > > > 10:41 > > > > > > IHSG 1737 +24, atau mencapai lagi LEVEL KOSMIS 1734... > > > > > > GEBUK LAGI AAHhhh... > > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "jsx_consultant" > > consultant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Target W5 = LONCATAN KOSMIS 1,62 x W3 = 1734... > > > > > > > > This morning HIGH = 1738 or oveshoot 4 point... > > > > > > > > Sepertinya Time Golden Day for HIGH menjadi HARI INI... > > > > > > > > SIAP SIAP > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "jsx_consultant" > > > consultant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A reminder > > > > > > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "jsx_consultant" > > > > consultant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Future IHSG by Mama Idiot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Menurut ramalan paranormal MAMA IDIOT, IHSG akan mencapai > > > > PUNCAKnya > > > > > > nya sekitar tgl 29 November dan sesudah itu REVERSAL, dan > dalam > > > > > > SEMINGGU akan mencapai NEW LOW (jadi TURUNNYA AKAN KENCENG > > > BANGET) > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramalan ini menggunakan tehnik GOLDEN TIME RATIO 2,62... > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalo MELESET, yah namanya juga RAMALAN.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.
Re: Fw: [obrolan-bandar] Bear Season ?!?
come on guys. i never boasted saying that i poured billion of my dollar investment fund in Indonesiaplease take a look back at my previous statements.AND i have to says Mr. Vibby and I don't have any personal problem at all we just test our short term theory...and some times theory can cheat usthat's it everyone here is very good analystsome have fund to back up their theory some don't...and please don't misread the above, too so, please knock it off... boyz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: how many? you tell me because i don't know for sure. If they all act together? by who's command ? by ONE PERSON command ? hehehe ... i dont think so they all act together (in that day) because regional and global index UP after falling red before. no need someone's command to buy back the shares they sold in previous day. hehehe ... please, don't BOAST note: may be some players here are BIG ... but they are not that HUGE ... regards, BOY IZAR Eddy S. Purnomo wrote: And do you know how many person like Mr. FS in BEJ; ten, twenty, one hundred, two hundred...? How many do you think? Not to mentioned BAKAL & Institutions Player. So, can you imagine if they all act together at the same time, what is it gonna be... ? ? ;-) ha..ha...ha. ... Cheers. - Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: Fw: [obrolan-bandar] Bear Season ?!? END HERE
I am very fine boyz best regards, boyz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: dear mr. schubert, i'm sorry for my last postings. i didn't mean to offend or show disrespect manner. i took you wrong judgement, for that please forgive me. hehehe ... i know you often shared good information to this mailing list. i respect you for that. please keep sharing "bluechip information". and let's end this. regards, BOY IZAR Frederick Schubert wrote: come on guys. i never boasted saying that i poured billion of my dollar investment fund in Indonesia... .please take a look back at my previous statements.. ...AND i have to says Mr. Vibby and I don't have any personal problem at all we just test our short term theory...and some times theory can cheat usthat's it everyone here is very good analystsome have fund to back up their theory some don't...and please don't misread the above, too so, please knock it off... boyz <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg> wrote: how many? you tell me because i don't know for sure. If they all act together? by who's command ? by ONE PERSON command ? hehehe ... i dont think so they all act together (in that day) because regional and global index UP after falling red before. no need someone's command to buy back the shares they sold in previous day. hehehe ... please, don't BOAST note: may be some players here are BIG ... but they are not that HUGE ... regards, BOY IZAR - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] IHSG in BOXES and MINOR wave channel
Very good view and observation mbah.beware of 1774... disclaimer cheers Embah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Ternyata IHSG pagi ini menembus BOX-TOP 1738 dan meluruskan perjalanan minor WAVE 5. - Target pertama level KOSMIS minor W5 = 1768 Terlampir grafik - Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] CMNP lari terbirit-birit
fyi, please see cmnp from merrill "Eddy S. Purnomo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: CMNP busyet dah. Itu target CnH di 1.260 ditabrak terus. Sesuai dengan bisnisnya Jalan Tol. - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.Title: Message From: Mathieson, Rosalind [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:34 PMTo: Kyne, Phelim; Pranasidhi, Edhi; Sentana, I-MadeSubject: FW: CMNP IJ: Citra Marga Nusaphala Persada: Several potential catalysts - BUY - Indonesia - 15pp -Original Message-From: Li, Robert Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 3:08 PMTo: Mathieson, RosalindSubject: FW: CMNP IJ: Citra Marga Nusaphala Persada: Several potential catalysts - BUY - Indonesia - 15pp -- From: ML-Verdi Budiman[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 3:07:44 PM To: Li, Robert Subject: CMNP IJ: Citra Marga Nusaphala Persada: Several potential catalysts - BUY - Indonesia - 15pp Auto forwarded by a Rule Citra Marga Nusaphala Persada Initial Opinion BUY Several potential catalysts, a new Buy Link to full report including important disclosures* http://rsch1.ml.com/9093/24013/ds/59472849.PDF Largest private urban toll road operator in Indonesia CMNP operates 30km segments of the Jakarta intra urban toll road system, with the 12km Surabaya Eastern ring road system under construction. It recently won a licence for the 23km long Depok-Antasari tollroad. Undervalued Our DCF estimate of about Rp2,000 forms the basis of our PO. It does not include any value from its stakes in Citra Metro Manila Tollways Corporation and Bogor ring road. Its high 2007 P/E hides the strong recurring cash flow, the new legal power to periodically raise tariffs, and the value of its new toll roads. Toll tariff increase in 2H07 could be substantial CMNP is scheduled to increase its toll tariffs between June and August 2007, based on 2005 and 2006 CPI. A 15-20% increase in toll tariffs should underpin 2008 earnings growth and act as a catalyst for the share price, in our view. Surabaya project may start contributing to profits in 2H07 After being stagnant for years, the management has re-intensified the build-out of Surabaya eastern ring road. It has an ambitious internal target to operate a part of the tollroad in March 2007 and be fully operational by June 2007. Jasa Marga IPO could present new possibilities First, the IPO plan of this state toll road company in 1H07 may bring market attention back to CMNP. Second, Jasa Marga owns a 17.8% stake in CMNP that it may consider selling as part of the IPO process. The sale could bring-in new possibilities regarding CMNP's ownership structure and stock trading liquidity. A glimmer of restructuring hope for the Manila Skyway Citra Metro Manila Tollways Corporation has an excessive debt burden that has not been restructured since the Asian currency crisis. CMNP management seems hopeful of a restructuring progress in 2007. To reply to Verdi Budiman directly, click here or call +62 21 515 8588 * Read the research report, available through the link above, for complete information including important disclosures and analyst certification(s). Reports can be saved to your local drive in .pdf format. Merrill Lynch URLs are active for six months from the date that such report is published. There may be more recent information available. Please visit one of the electronic venues that carry Merrill Lynch research or contact your Merrill Lynch representative for further information. iQanalyticsSMMerrill Lynch's iQanalyticsSM capabilities include a defined valuation methodology, the iQdatabase®, which draws on over 2,650 company models prepared by our Fundamental Equity analysts globally, and a series of proprietary software tools. Information is presented in a consistent format as explained in our iQmethodSM report. Using the iQanalytics platform, Merrill Lynch analysts and clients can select and compare financial metrics across sectors and regions under our coverage on a consistent basis, with a focus on recent and forecast company performance and valuation.The key features of iQmethodSM are: •
Re: [obrolan-bandar] TREND FOLLOWER vs TREND PREDICTOR
Bonardo, on a technical base, we recognize the so-called trend in trend the wider one is bullish while the within the trend is a pull back and mild reversal to reflect consolidation... Anyway, on fundamental basis, which include things like fund flow analysis and management, some big foreign funds like Calpers and New York Trust have PRESUMABLY already started their investment in Indonesia. They started since Telkom was at IDR7,600. So, given an interest rate gap of between Indonesia and the U.Slet's say only 5.5% (now). If they have an indicative investment return of 12% (at the least and in terms of USD), they need to have their investment in Indonesia to increase by around 40%-45%, to reflect a proper margin and prepare a good quarter base reports A bit complicated...but if eyeing deeper into the real incoming flow, we will find that all chart may point to the north Today the main index may have its first consolidation, but may also swiftly rebound in the following days for investment maintannce JUST SHARING... hevaily disclaimer is ON Safe trading all best.. Bonardo Paruntungan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: artinya... dan jika saya boleh tanya : - trendnya "dibungkus" a. akhir tahun b. penurunan rate ad. a saya cuman tau dari berita bahwa moment ini biasanya untuk "dandan" portfolio.. tapi toh sekarang sudah "terdandani" nah disini saya ingat ada pesan di milis ini dengan statement "ngak mungkin IHSG bear(di November- tembus 1700) karna terlalu mudah dan sudah dikit yang ada di market" jadi pertanyaanya "apakah psikologis trend bull itu sudah "dimakan" oleh retail atau malah baru saja psikologis "trend bull" dianut oleh retail (seperti saya misalnya) ad.b. saya quotasi dari pak FS.. ekspektasi / forecastnya ekonomi Indonesia adalah wajar, sehingga sentimen positif ke depan... atau kata lain sulit buat cari alasan untuk bear kec. teknikal kalu saya boleh nanya pak FS.. kalu ekspektasinya di ZERO ini gimana? misal rate tetep aja di 10%? ini misalnya... trims.. note : pak oentoeng.. kalu ada orang bilang terima kasih artinya makin "banyak rejeki" hahaa... =D --- Aria Bela Nusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jawabannya, mungkin krn kita telah terbiasa > mengikuti trends (arahnya) - > FOLLOW THE TRENDS (& MOMENTUM), THE TRENDS IS YOUR > FRIENDS) - > lama-kelamaan kita tahu arahnya mau ke mana scr > bertahap dg berjalannya > waktu - shg kita dapet 'membaca' tanda2 (signals) > market kehendaknya mau > ke mana pula (scr simultan)... > > :) Saya pernah lihat buku JL (biografi yg berisikan > banyak banget > foto2-nya) - kelihatannya sangat flamboyan > orangnya... > > Regards, > > Aria > > > > persis seperti yg Jesse Livermore lakukan...dia > tidak pernah berusaha > > memprediksi trend, he just FOLLOW the trend. > > Tapi anehnya dia bisa tau ketika US market mau > crash...bukankah ini > > disebut sebagai predictor juga?? > > Saya lagi baca buku "Trade like Jesse > Livermore"..emang hebat ni orang, > > determinasinya tidak ada duanya. > > Sayang dia harus mengakhiri hidupnya dengan bunuh > diri > > > > jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > TREND FOLLOWER vs TREND PREDICTOR > > > > Michael Covel bilang: > > - Dari pada bikin PREDIKSI (Predictor) mending > jadi Follower > > aja... > > > > Who CAN predict the market ?, HAYO NGACUNG... > > > > But EVERYBODY can follow the TREND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail > beta. > > __ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: fundamentalist vs teknikalist
Just an fyi, BMRI will suffer from selling pressure until (may be) December 12 due to the secondary MSOP/ESOP...each day the bank may sell more than 11 million shares best buy at 2,775 or 2,800 disclaimer Santo Vibby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ntar begitu pasukan saya sudah naklukin BMRI, saya akan ngirim pasukan tambahan buat P'Busur jg akh... Sreennngg !! My Troops are waiting for the code sir !! - Original Message - From: budi suryono To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: fundamentalist vs teknikalist Dear Pak Oentoeng, Saya masih percaya bahwa market always bigger than us,seperti kitab suci saya (Reminiscence of a stock market operator) di satu paragraph nya menyatakan "We can bring a horse to the river easily,but we can't force her to drink!!" tapi saya juga percaya untuk case tertentu,ngelihat capitalisasinya dengan sedikit peluru dan yang penting situasi mendukung seperti saat ini (mestakung kata Embah) mengerek harga saham tinggi tinggi adalah hal yang mudah (walaupun tetep ada kemungkinan gak berhasil), Untuk proyek pertama, boleh kita coba dengan SULI,(kita sama2 ada posisi utk saham ini) ,untuk level2 tertentu akan saya TUMIS..,saat ini saya udah hangatin kompor dan wajan,Prepare dan beritahukan ke temen anda, saya juga siapin resources saya.Ingat SULI...mudah mudahan berhasil ...srengg!! . __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [obrolan-bandar] TREND FOLLOWER vs TREND PREDICTOR
thanks...but i am just nobody, compared to our gurus in this milist... Anyway, what i am fearing now is that the buying power may subside sometimes in early January due to "weird" short term hedge funds maturityso, the exit points (for a temporary one) MIGHT be best done whenever the main index hits around 1820-1860. and wait until consolidation is finished at 1690-1730 (which could be in the second week of january or early february). On a very best scenario, however, the main index may continue to try 2,000 by these months...(referring to the January effect) on individual stock like PGAS, i share most of my target with pak IAN Situmorang...IDR14,000 MAY be easily to achieve in less than 2 months or even faster than. BUMI: like or dislike...this company remains the holder of the largest coal assets in the world...so, if demand for coal (which already started by expression from India to import moe coal from Indonesia) is increasing, BUMI and PTBA may benefit much. BUMI has IDR1,200 target, with round number likely at IDR900 for further investment decision, while PTBA has IDR3,900 target for 12 month investment with round number is likely at IDR3,500. so, investment is on your call disclaimer mode remains ON cheers Bonardo Paruntungan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: yah.. complicated.. tapi makasih... kalu saya boleh komentar tentang "keberanian pak FS beberapa waktu lalu tentang Indeks tetap NORTH..." terjawab dengan statement "TLKM 7600" dan "40 - 45 %" jika boleh saya tanya lagi : berapa persen lagi CONFIDENCEnya pak FS terhadap INDEKS 1. PGAS 2. PTBA 3. BUMI sektor energi yang belum "terdandani" sentimennya adalah : 1. OIL 2. divestasi 3. DIREKSI thanks sekali lagi atas ilmunya pak FS --- Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bonardo, > > on a technical base, we recognize the so-called > trend in trend the wider one is bullish while > the within the trend is a pull back and mild > reversal to reflect consolidation... > > Anyway, on fundamental basis, which include things > like fund flow analysis and management, some big > foreign funds like Calpers and New York Trust have > PRESUMABLY already started their investment in > Indonesia. They started since Telkom was at > IDR7,600. So, given an interest rate gap of between > Indonesia and the U.Slet's say only 5.5% (now). > If they have an indicative investment return of 12% > (at the least and in terms of USD), they need to > have their investment in Indonesia to increase by > around 40%-45%, to reflect a proper margin and > prepare a good quarter base reports > > A bit complicated...but if eyeing deeper into the > real incoming flow, we will find that all chart may > point to the north > > Today the main index may have its first > consolidation, but may also swiftly rebound in the > following days for investment maintannce > > JUST SHARING... hevaily disclaimer is ON > Safe trading > > all best.. > > Bonardo Paruntungan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > artinya... dan jika saya boleh tanya : > > - trendnya "dibungkus" > a. akhir tahun > b. penurunan rate > > ad. a saya cuman tau dari berita bahwa moment ini > biasanya untuk "dandan" portfolio.. tapi toh > sekarang > sudah "terdandani" nah disini saya ingat ada pesan > di > milis ini dengan statement "ngak mungkin IHSG > bear(di > November- tembus 1700) karna terlalu mudah dan sudah > dikit yang ada di market" > jadi pertanyaanya "apakah psikologis trend bull itu > sudah "dimakan" oleh retail atau malah baru saja > psikologis "trend bull" dianut oleh retail (seperti > saya misalnya) > > ad.b. saya quotasi dari pak FS.. ekspektasi / > forecastnya ekonomi Indonesia adalah wajar, sehingga > sentimen positif ke depan... atau kata lain sulit > buat > cari alasan untuk bear kec. teknikal > > kalu saya boleh nanya pak FS.. kalu ekspektasinya di > ZERO ini gimana? misal rate tetep aja di 10%? ini > misalnya... > > trims.. > note : pak oentoeng.. kalu ada orang bilang terima > kasih artinya makin "banyak rejeki" hahaa... =D > > --- Aria Bela Nusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Jawabannya, mungkin krn kita telah terbiasa > > mengikuti trends (arahnya) - > > FOLLOW THE TRENDS (& MOMENTUM), THE TRENDS IS YOUR > > FRIENDS) - > > lama-kelamaan kita tahu arahnya mau ke mana scr > > bertahap dg berjalannya > > waktu - shg kita dapet 'membaca' tanda2 (signals) > > market kehendaknya mau > > ke mana pula (scr simultan)... > > > > :) Saya pernah lihat buku JL (biografi yg > berisika
[obrolan-bandar] WAVES
Anything more from the EL Wave..? any other charting? any confirmation? still trend in trend...rite? - Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: WAVES (1785)
Embah you are too...low profile. thanks... jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Pak Schubert, Embah pake FA (Feeling analysis), merasakan PERGERAKAN HARGA sudah TIDAK normal... Mungkin saatnya LIBUR dan RELAXASI... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "oentoeng_q" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert > wrote: > > > > Anything more from the EL Wave..? any other charting? any > confirmation? > > still trend in trend...rite? > > > TLKM and main index will follow TRUB and CPRO? > Break all time high mister Frederick, next week maybe...??? > > > - > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it > now. > > > - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] SIIP, a stair way t o heaven?
haha... u just can't say 'buy" whenever it rises.(everybody knows..) just, say when to sell whenever it risesor say what is the highest levell...so everyone can buy and sell at the highest level comfortably... still remember your words that PGAS is "jijay bajaj..nehi..nehi.." ...it is rising now...still jijay..? budi suryono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: SIIP akan melanjukan rallynya hari ini,SIIP well accumulted, buy SIIP now. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: WAVES (1785)
come on.. oentoeng_q <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Absolutely right Banyaknya jam terbang yg membuat Beliau tetap KONSISTEN... Saya bangga punya Guru seperti Embah Padahal setelah saya melihat GOCEK2an BOZZ jadi IlFil (ilang feeling) mo terus ngikuti Mbah kalau planned agenda memang ada UPAYA utk nurunin indeks plus Stocks Mover... Prediksi Suhu IAN khan memberi KODE adanya gejala ROUNDING TOP buat saham2 tertentu yg sudah TINGGI sekalian indeksnya Kalau minjem istilah Mbah adalah "Back to the previous LOW Low yg mana? Kelihatannya pd hasil koreksi di bulan Mei... Ini kelihatan pada BLTA sama KLBF yg sudah duluan, dan kelihatan akan diikuti INDF dkk. Padahal sebelumnya Suhu IAN BERHASIL menuntaskan Indeks BEJ dg "rounding bottom"-nya Sekarang beliau ditantang oleh market utk rounding top? Siapa yg always right? Suhu IAN atau marketnya? Atau BOZZ sang Seniman...atau yg lain??? Disinilah tantangan buat temen2 TA Trader utk menganalisa gejala tersebut pada portfolio masing2. Pada kondisi beginilah saya sering KAGUM terhadap TA, apakah kebetulan belaka? Atau memangby design? ButWho? Nah kalau bicara target utk main indeks dikaitkan dengan alasan di atas bisa jadi 1450 Suhu IAN akan tercapai!? Yg jelas bagi saya mau rounding top, rounding bottom, round number, dll...silahkan. Yg penting kita semua terus dapat PEMBELAJARAN dari kondisi bursa yg terus BERUBAH ini. "Saat mata terbuka lebar PUN saya tidak bisa melihat apa-apa" ZATOICHI regards > - Original Message - > From: Danny & Liza Lau > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 3:56 PM > Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: WAVES (1785) > > > > BEAR memang selalu datang di saat yang tepat, > yaitu saat kebanyakan orang sudah tidak berani lagi ngomong BEAR (kecuali Embah, lho). > Kayaknya kali ini valid nih. > Sudah ada yang bisa ngitung target turunnya index? > 1600? 1500? 1400? More? > > - Original Message - > From: jsx_consultant > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 2:18 PM > Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: WAVES (1785) > > > Running today's LOW = 1743 atau MINUS 42 point dari FA alias > Feeling Analysis > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant" > consultant@> wrote: > > > > A REMINDER !!! > > > > 11:32 > > > > IHSG -20 di 1767 > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant" > > consultant@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Pak Schubert, > > > > > > Embah pake FA (Feeling analysis), merasakan PERGERAKAN HARGA > > > sudah TIDAK normal... > > > > > > Mungkin saatnya LIBUR dan RELAXASI... > > > > > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "oentoeng_q" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Anything more from the EL Wave..? any other charting? > > any > > > > confirmation? > > > > > still trend in trend...rite? > > > > > > > > > TLKM and main index will follow TRUB and CPRO? > > > > Break all time high mister Frederick, next week maybe...??? > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. > Try > > > it > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ NOD32 1926 (20061218) Information __ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > Yahoo! Groups Links __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: WAVES (1785)
come on.. I thought BANDARS ignore charting.. oentoeng_q <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Absolutely right Banyaknya jam terbang yg membuat Beliau tetap KONSISTEN... Saya bangga punya Guru seperti Embah Padahal setelah saya melihat GOCEK2an BOZZ jadi IlFil (ilang feeling) mo terus ngikuti Mbah kalau planned agenda memang ada UPAYA utk nurunin indeks plus Stocks Mover... Prediksi Suhu IAN khan memberi KODE adanya gejala ROUNDING TOP buat saham2 tertentu yg sudah TINGGI sekalian indeksnya Kalau minjem istilah Mbah adalah "Back to the previous LOW Low yg mana? Kelihatannya pd hasil koreksi di bulan Mei... Ini kelihatan pada BLTA sama KLBF yg sudah duluan, dan kelihatan akan diikuti INDF dkk. Padahal sebelumnya Suhu IAN BERHASIL menuntaskan Indeks BEJ dg "rounding bottom"-nya Sekarang beliau ditantang oleh market utk rounding top? Siapa yg always right? Suhu IAN atau marketnya? Atau BOZZ sang Seniman...atau yg lain??? Disinilah tantangan buat temen2 TA Trader utk menganalisa gejala tersebut pada portfolio masing2. Pada kondisi beginilah saya sering KAGUM terhadap TA, apakah kebetulan belaka? Atau memangby design? ButWho? Nah kalau bicara target utk main indeks dikaitkan dengan alasan di atas bisa jadi 1450 Suhu IAN akan tercapai!? Yg jelas bagi saya mau rounding top, rounding bottom, round number, dll...silahkan. Yg penting kita semua terus dapat PEMBELAJARAN dari kondisi bursa yg terus BERUBAH ini. "Saat mata terbuka lebar PUN saya tidak bisa melihat apa-apa" ZATOICHI regards > - Original Message - > From: Danny & Liza Lau > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 3:56 PM > Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: WAVES (1785) > > > > BEAR memang selalu datang di saat yang tepat, > yaitu saat kebanyakan orang sudah tidak berani lagi ngomong BEAR (kecuali Embah, lho). > Kayaknya kali ini valid nih. > Sudah ada yang bisa ngitung target turunnya index? > 1600? 1500? 1400? More? > > - Original Message - > From: jsx_consultant > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 2:18 PM > Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: WAVES (1785) > > > Running today's LOW = 1743 atau MINUS 42 point dari FA alias > Feeling Analysis > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant" > consultant@> wrote: > > > > A REMINDER !!! > > > > 11:32 > > > > IHSG -20 di 1767 > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "jsx_consultant" > > consultant@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Pak Schubert, > > > > > > Embah pake FA (Feeling analysis), merasakan PERGERAKAN HARGA > > > sudah TIDAK normal... > > > > > > Mungkin saatnya LIBUR dan RELAXASI... > > > > > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "oentoeng_q" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Frederick Schubert > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Anything more from the EL Wave..? any other charting? > > any > > > > confirmation? > > > > > still trend in trend...rite? > > > > > > > > > TLKM and main index will follow TRUB and CPRO? > > > > Break all time high mister Frederick, next week maybe...??? > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. > Try > > > it > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ NOD32 1926 (20061218) Information __ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > Yahoo! Groups Links __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: WAVES (1785)
very good point pak nyoman. Surata nyoman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jika diperhatikan , hanya sekuritas dengan segmen investor retail yang mempunyai posisi analis teknikal, sedangkan sekuritas dengan segmen institutional tidak mempunyai seorang teknikal analis melainkan beberapa analis fundamental yang melakukan riset berbagai segmen bisnis. Tanya kenapa? --- Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > come > on.. > > I thought BANDARS ignore charting.. > > oentoeng_q <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Absolutely right > Banyaknya jam terbang yg membuat Beliau tetap > KONSISTEN... > Saya bangga punya Guru seperti Embah > Padahal setelah saya melihat GOCEK2an BOZZ jadi > IlFil (ilang > feeling) mo terus ngikuti Mbah kalau planned agenda > memang ada UPAYA > utk nurunin indeks plus Stocks Mover... > > Prediksi Suhu IAN khan memberi KODE adanya gejala > ROUNDING TOP buat > saham2 tertentu yg sudah TINGGI sekalian indeksnya > Kalau minjem istilah Mbah adalah "Back to the > previous LOW > Low yg mana? Kelihatannya pd hasil koreksi di bulan > Mei... > Ini kelihatan pada BLTA sama KLBF yg sudah duluan, > dan kelihatan > akan diikuti INDF dkk. > > Padahal sebelumnya Suhu IAN BERHASIL menuntaskan > Indeks BEJ > dg "rounding bottom"-nya > Sekarang beliau ditantang oleh market utk rounding > top? > Siapa yg always right? Suhu IAN atau marketnya? Atau > BOZZ sang > Seniman...atau yg lain??? > Disinilah tantangan buat temen2 TA Trader utk > menganalisa gejala > tersebut pada portfolio masing2. > Pada kondisi beginilah saya sering KAGUM terhadap > TA, apakah > kebetulan belaka? Atau memangby design? > ButWho? > > Nah kalau bicara target utk main indeks dikaitkan > dengan alasan di > atas bisa jadi 1450 Suhu IAN akan tercapai!? > Yg jelas bagi saya mau rounding top, rounding > bottom, round number, > dll...silahkan. > Yg penting kita semua terus dapat PEMBELAJARAN dari > kondisi bursa > yg terus BERUBAH ini. > > > "Saat mata terbuka lebar PUN saya tidak bisa melihat > apa-apa" > ZATOICHI > > regards > > > - Original Message - > > From: Danny & Liza Lau > > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 3:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: WAVES (1785) > > > > > > > > BEAR memang selalu datang di saat yang tepat, > > yaitu saat kebanyakan orang sudah tidak berani > lagi ngomong BEAR > (kecuali Embah, lho). > > Kayaknya kali ini valid nih. > > Sudah ada yang bisa ngitung target turunnya index? > > 1600? 1500? 1400? More? > > > > - Original Message - > > From: jsx_consultant > > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 2:18 PM > > Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: WAVES (1785) > > > > > > Running today's LOW = 1743 atau MINUS 42 point > dari FA alias > > Feeling Analysis > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, > "jsx_consultant" > consultant@> wrote: > > > > > > A REMINDER !!! > > > > > > 11:32 > > > > > > IHSG -20 di 1767 > > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, > "jsx_consultant" > > consultant@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Pak Schubert, > > > > > > > > Embah pake FA (Feeling analysis), merasakan > PERGERAKAN > HARGA > > > > sudah TIDAK normal... > > > > > > > > Mungkin saatnya LIBUR dan RELAXASI... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, > "oentoeng_q" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, > Frederick > Schubert > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Anything more from the EL Wave..? any > other > charting? > > > any > > > > > confirmation? > > > > > > still trend in trend...rite? > > > > > > > > > > > TLKM and main index will follow TRUB and > CPRO? > > > > > Break all time high mister Frederick, next > week > maybe...??? > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > Yahoo! > Answers. > > Try > > > > it > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ NOD32 1926 (20061218) Information > __ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus > system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [obrolan-bandar] TARGET TINS 24000???
hehehehehehehehehehe.nice pak sudes.. Sudeswanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:yang jelas...untuk saat ini... "bandar" TINS patut diberi predikat lulus dengan predikat SUMMA CUM LAUDE "bandar" PTBA patut diberi predikat tidak lulus dengan nilai E- (E minus) ^^ hehehe ^^ canda ^^ -Original Message- From: Knight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 Januari 2007 12:11 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] TARGET TINS 24000??? jadi TINS tunggu ke 5000? maap boss, gw gak ngarti yg begitu2an .. tau nya cuan ajaa ..beli di berapa enaknya? On 1/3/07, EKA SUWANDANA < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Cadangan TIN di BANGKA 7 tahun utk tambang permukaan (selanjutnya deep mining, cost naik berlipat2 ), yg di Belitung diatas 10 tahun. Jadi bedanya beli TINS dgn beli ANTM/INCO (deposit diatas 30 tahun, utk surface mining), Beli TINS seperti beli APARTEMEN 'HAK SEWA' 7 tahun (banyak kan developer jualan apartemen 'hak sewa 30 tahun!) , anda beli masih bisa dikontrakan dan cuan, tapi beli INCO/ANTM seperti beli rumah mahal mewah bisa dikontrakan 30 tahun dan diwariskan ke anak (utk saham tambang deposit 30 tahun depresiasi masih kecil). Sayang sekali pak kalo INCO anda dijual diharga 3, dgn hitungan sederhana seperti yg anda lakukan INCO EPS ada dikisaran 5 USD/lembar. INCO output produksi tahun 2007 berkurang 7 % dari 72000ton. ANTM juga sama, proyek TAYAN di tahun 2008-2009 belum pada dihitung bandar, sedangkan proyek PLTU BANJARSARI/ BANKO yg 2011-2012 sudah dihitung bandar PTBA, dgn semua risetnya bandar bilang bakal Rp5000. Belilah saham sebelum bandar menghitung proyek baru! bello lee wrote: Hari ini tgl 2 Jan 2007, TINS naik Rp 1200, menjadi Rp 5625,-/saham. Harga timah di LME $11895,-/ton. TINS masih murah, target Rp 24000,-/ saham. Saya membuat riset sederhana PT. Timah Tbk untuk tahun 2007. Berdasarkan harga timah yang terus melambung, harga on the spot USD 11320/ tgl 21 dec 06.(menurut para ahli, harga Timah akan mencapai USD13000 -USD15000 ).Estimasi produksi th 2007 =45000 ton. Harga TINS Rp 3800,/saham/tgl 21 Dec 06 Dengan harga timah USD 13000 (averageUSD 11000 ) Maka PT Timah akan menerima berkah sebesar 45000 ton x ( USD 11000 - USD 8250 ) x Rp 9000 (kurs USD)=Rp 1113,75 milyar. Padahal dengan harga USD 8250 PT Timah sudah membukukan laba bersih untuk 3Q'06 sebesar Rp 61 milyar. Jadi menurut perkiraan saya untuk tahun 2007 PT Timah akan membukukan laba bersih mencapai lebih dari Rp 1200 milyar (Rp 1113.75 m + Rp 61 m (3Q'06) + 4Q'06 + pembelian yang lebih murah dari TI ). EPS PT timah lebih dari Rp 2385 (total saham 503 juta lembar). Dengan membandingkan P/E pertambangan di BEJ yang diatas 10X , maka harga Wajar saham PT Timah Rp 24000,- Ingat harga semua logam naik tajam, hanya timah yang baru naik,yang disebabkan Banyaknya timah yang diselundupkan. Dengan harga timah hari ini mencapai USD 11320 (LME ), maka PT Timah akan sehat Kembali. Semua saham INCO dan ANTM saya jual untuk di tukar dengan TINS yang upsidenya besar sekali. INCO beli Rp 13000 jual Rp3, ANTM beli Rp 2600 jual Rp 8050,-. Cadangan timah di Bangka & Belitung tidak akan habis 20 tahun, jadi jangan kuatir. Beli sekarang, jual akhir tahun 2007 di Rp 24000,- untuk yang trader beli makin lama makin mahal , hasil tidak maksimal,atau kehilangan barang. Happy New Year ! God Bless You ! - Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: Pls comment ?.....RE: [obrolan-bandar] TARGET TINS 24000???
welll. I am still afraid with TINS' reserves.its P1 and P2 reserves is hard to be that publicly "accountable". anyway, investment is yours.. The company is even find difficulty to meet a supply of more than 10 tons of white tin a month... Above all..TII...or This Is Indonesiaif regulation is strictly uphold for illegal miners...TINS may be attractive for a very short term favor best regards... Investor Bonex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Artinya apa nih Mr ? dari hitung2an saya yg sederhana, setiap kenaikan harga timah USD500/MT, akan memberikan kontribusi EPS sekitar IDR 400. So, jika avrg harga timah di USD 10,000/MT, fair value TINS sekitar 10.000 an. Your comment is appreciated. Rgds Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hehehehehehehehehehe.nice pak sudes.. Sudeswanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: yang jelas...untuk saat ini... "bandar" TINS patut diberi predikat lulus dengan predikat SUMMA CUM LAUDE "bandar" PTBA patut diberi predikat tidak lulus dengan nilai E- (E minus) ^^ hehehe ^^ canda ^^ -Original Message- From: Knight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 Januari 2007 12:11 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] TARGET TINS 24000??? jadi TINS tunggu ke 5000? maap boss, gw gak ngarti yg begitu2an .. tau nya cuan ajaa ..beli di berapa enaknya? On 1/3/07, EKA SUWANDANA < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Cadangan TIN di BANGKA 7 tahun utk tambang permukaan (selanjutnya deep mining, cost naik berlipat2 ), yg di Belitung diatas 10 tahun. Jadi bedanya beli TINS dgn beli ANTM/INCO (deposit diatas 30 tahun, utk surface mining), Beli TINS seperti beli APARTEMEN 'HAK SEWA' 7 tahun (banyak kan developer jualan apartemen 'hak sewa 30 tahun!) , anda beli masih bisa dikontrakan dan cuan, tapi beli INCO/ANTM seperti beli rumah mahal mewah bisa dikontrakan 30 tahun dan diwariskan ke anak (utk saham tambang deposit 30 tahun depresiasi masih kecil). Sayang sekali pak kalo INCO anda dijual diharga 3, dgn hitungan sederhana seperti yg anda lakukan INCO EPS ada dikisaran 5 USD/lembar. INCO output produksi tahun 2007 berkurang 7 % dari 72000ton. ANTM juga sama, proyek TAYAN di tahun 2008-2009 belum pada dihitung bandar, sedangkan proyek PLTU BANJARSARI/ BANKO yg 2011-2012 sudah dihitung bandar PTBA, dgn semua risetnya bandar bilang bakal Rp5000. Belilah saham sebelum bandar menghitung proyek baru! bello lee wrote: Hari ini tgl 2 Jan 2007, TINS naik Rp 1200, menjadi Rp 5625,-/saham. Harga timah di LME $11895,-/ton. TINS masih murah, target Rp 24000,-/ saham. Saya membuat riset sederhana PT. Timah Tbk untuk tahun 2007. Berdasarkan harga timah yang terus melambung, harga on the spot USD 11320/ tgl 21 dec 06.(menurut para ahli, harga Timah akan mencapai USD13000 -USD15000 ).Estimasi produksi th 2007 =45000 ton. Harga TINS Rp 3800,/saham/tgl 21 Dec 06 Dengan harga timah USD 13000 (averageUSD 11000 ) Maka PT Timah akan menerima berkah sebesar 45000 ton x ( USD 11000 - USD 8250 ) x Rp 9000 (kurs USD)=Rp 1113,75 milyar. Padahal dengan harga USD 8250 PT Timah sudah membukukan laba bersih untuk 3Q'06 sebesar Rp 61 milyar. Jadi menurut perkiraan saya untuk tahun 2007 PT Timah akan membukukan laba bersih mencapai lebih dari Rp 1200 milyar (Rp 1113.75 m + Rp 61 m (3Q'06) + 4Q'06 + pembelian yang lebih murah dari TI ). EPS PT timah lebih dari Rp 2385 (total saham 503 juta lembar). Dengan membandingkan P/E pertambangan di BEJ yang diatas 10X , maka harga Wajar saham PT Timah Rp 24000,- Ingat harga semua logam naik tajam, hanya timah yang baru naik,yang disebabkan Banyaknya timah yang diselundupkan. Dengan harga timah hari ini mencapai USD 11320 (LME ), maka PT Timah akan sehat Kembali. Semua saham INCO dan ANTM saya jual untuk di tukar dengan TINS yang upsidenya besar sekali. INCO beli Rp 13000 jual Rp3, ANTM beli Rp 2600 jual Rp 8050,-. Cadangan timah di Bangka & Belitung tidak akan habis 20 tahun, jadi jangan kuatir. Beli sekarang, jual akhir tahun 2007 di Rp 24000,- untuk yang trader beli makin lama makin mahal , hasil tidak maksimal,atau kehilangan barang. Happy New Year ! God Bless You ! - Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [obrolan-bandar] rounding number 1700
hehehehe...how about 900...? Hotma Sirait <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: next stop will be 1700 before it's goes down deep as mr. ian say i quess (all disclaimer is on) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [obrolan-bandar] rounding number 1700
well... the fall of the main index today was mostly due to misunderstanding about what is happening in Thailand. The Thai government limits foreign ownership to 50% in telecommunication and (agricultural) companies that are vital and related with its nation's security. Indonesia has so far applied this policy and foreign funds have so far can abide by this without complaining..(hehe). so..? based on charting, it remains within the so-called trend in trend...the pull back may cause a rounding of 100 points of losses..so, any fall below 1760, can still be termed as correction. but below 1,600 is a panic selling which is more unlikely as based on the fund flow manegement, at that level of index, funds as big as American CALPERs would have already lost 30% of its equity portfolio...would they be just sitting and singing for the losses..? i don't think so...so, tomorrow will be the judgement day...if the main index manages to rebound...then...there is nothing to worry hope the above helps... best, boyz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: wie Sie sind, Sir? die lange keine Zeit sehen. any comment mr.schubert ? is it time to collect ? danke, Frederick Schubert wrote: hehehehe...how about 900...? Hotma Sirait <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: next stop will be 1700 before it's goes down deep as mr. ian say i quess (all disclaimer is on) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [obrolan-bandar] rounding number 1700
welll...i just wanna remind you that foreign funds portfolio on jakarta bourse is only 30% of the total caps of around $120 billion so, let's dream the worst case..if they sold out the 30% (which is VERY impossible indeed) the main index COULD fall as much as 534 points or to 1246this level is even better than the closing level of 2005 of 1162...which means that the jakarta bourse could grow withoutTHEM... the problem is that there is a CYCLICALl period when the hedge funds should return to their TRUSTY (in U.S.) every January 15 The number, howvere, is less than $2 billion... If Indonesia's investment weigting is 0.4%...so, you can calculate yourself how much hedge funds left to be withdrawn...BUT, the most interested thing is that whenever they roll out the hedge fund and return to Indonesia for program buying...what would analysts say..? they would say Indonesia's economy is improving...hehehehehe disclaimer on... cheers Handoyo Gozali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: any commend, Uncle Schubert ? Dana asing di bursa Asia diduga hengkang ke AS JAKARTA: Pemodal asing mengurangi dananya di bursa saham Asia Pasifik dan diduga mengalihkan portofolionya ke bursa AS dan Eropa. Akibatnya, dana asing yang parkir di sebagian bursa kawasan Asia berkurang drastis pada dua hari terakhir perdagangan. Sentimen negatif itu dipicu oleh lontaran rencana pembatasan modal di Thailand. Data Bloomberg menunjukkan dana asing yang parkir di Bursa Efek Jakarta Jakarta (BEJ) berkurang US$29 juta dalam sehari perdagangan kemarin, turun 53,9% dibandingkan periode sama tahun lalu. Kondisi serupa juga terjadi di bursa Korea Selatan, Thailand, dan Taiwan yang nilai investasi asingnya turun masing-masing US$247,5 juta (-386,2%), US$50 juta (-76,4%), dan US$36,3 juta (-104,4%). Analis PT Andalan Artha Advisindo Sekuritas (AAA Securities) Bagus Hananto menilai pemodal global kemungkinan masih menyimpan sentimen negatif terhadap pasar Asia setelah ada lontaran kebijakan pembatasan modal Thailand. Akibatnya, penjualan yang lebih besar dibandingkan pembelian (net selling) oleh pemodal asing menghantam bursa yang diikuti profit taking oleh investor domestik. Kemarin, investor asing membukukan net selling Rp262 miliar. Indeks harga saham gabungan (IHSG) di BEJ langsung terbanting 32,5 poin atau turun 1,79% ke posisi 1.780,88. "Koreksi indeks karena profit taking kemarin masih sehat, mengingat indeks naik terlalu tinggi sejak Juni 2005 yang naik 48,7% dari 1.234 ke 1.843," tuturnya kemarin. Penurunan indeks, lanjut dia, dipicu oleh sentimen global terkait prospek perekonomian Amerika, yang diikuti investor domestik untuk membukukan gain. Profit taking kemarin menimpa Bursa Efek Jakarta dan bursa Hong Kong sehingga indeks harga saham keduanya menurun drastis di tengah peningkatan indeks saham bursa lainnya. Bagus memperkirakan pada perdagangan hari ini, investor akan melakukan pembelian pascakoreksi (buy on weakness) sehingga membuka potensi pembalikan arah indeks (rebound). Indeks akan bergerak di kisaran 1.770 hingga 1.815. Menurut dia, price to earning ratio (P/E) BEJ masih menjanjikan hingga akhir tahun nanti yang ditopang fundamental makroekonomi. Faktor P/E BEJ yang diperkirakan tinggi tak serta-merta membuat investor asing hengkang. Oleh Arif Gunawan S. Bisnis Indonesia - Original Message ----- From: Frederick Schubert To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] rounding number 1700 well... the fall of the main index today was mostly due to misunderstanding about what is happening in Thailand. The Thai government limits foreign ownership to 50% in telecommunication and (agricultural) companies that are vital and related with its nation's security. Indonesia has so far applied this policy and foreign funds have so far can abide by this without complaining..(hehe). so..? based on charting, it remains within the so-called trend in trend...the pull back may cause a rounding of 100 points of losses..so, any fall below 1760, can still be termed as correction. but below 1,600 is a panic selling which is more unlikely as based on the fund flow manegement, at that level of index, funds as big as American CALPERs would have already lost 30% of its equity portfolio...would they be just sitting and singing for the losses..? i don't think so...so, tomorrow will be the judgement day...if the main index manages to rebound...then...there is nothing to worry hope the above helps... best, boyz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: wie Sie sind, Sir? die lange keine Zeit sehen. any comment mr.schubert ? is it time to collect ? danke, Frederick Schubert wrote: hehehehe...how about 900...? Hotma Sirait <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: next stop will
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: WARNING: STAY OUT OF THE MARKET !!!! (1703)
heheheheFYI, they who sold equity portfolios (in the past four sessions) due to 3-month hedge fund maturities MAY return to emerging markets, including jakarta soon...(today, maybe). if u feel threatened, please wait until it (main index) is moving steady...1545 Indonesia time on Friday may be best time for those long thinkers for a buy. disclaimer fully on Wiro Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Siap mbah! udah pegang cash sejak kmrn, telat sih :( Telat cutloss sungguh menyakitkan, terus terang saya belajar banyak dari jatuhnya index, jauh lebih banyak daripada yang bisa dipelajari di BUKU :-D Kalimat di market wizards tergiang2: "if you dont want to take small losses, sooner or later you will take the mother of all losses". Disiplin cut loss is a must, tapi dalam praktek sungguh sulit dilakukan. On 1/11/07, jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Kalo soal Rupiah, inflasi, suku bunga lebih baik diJAWAB oleh para Fundamentalis, mereka yang ber COMPETENT Embah sebagai bandarmologist bekerja SEPERTI para technicalist: - Para technicalist hanya memerlukan DATA HARGA+VOLUME dan 'TIDAK PERDULI' dengan data Fundamental. Mereka beranggapan data Fundamental sudah TERCOVER pada HARGA TRANSAKSI sehari hari yg terjadi. - Begitu juga bandarmologist, ia cukup memperhatikan PERILAKU PEMAIN BESAR. PEMAIN BESAR tentunya punya tenaga analis yang COMPETENT untuk memprediksi Rupiah, inflasi dan suku bunga dan tentunya para BOSS juga punya TENAGA TECHNICAL YG HANDAL. - Kita cukup memperhatikan TINGKAH LAKU MEREKA dipasar... INTINYA: Let them do their analysis, we just DO THE SAME THING that THE BIG PLAYERS DO based on their analyst's finding... Dari perilaku mereka akhir akhir ini, embah menyimpulkan: - Untuk SEMENTARA , SANGAT BERAT untuk mengangkat IHSG dengan rekor2 baru mengingat JUMLAH BARANG YANG BEGITU BANYAK YANG SUDAH DIDUMP ke market !!!. - Jadi para BANDAR akan mencari GAIN dengan mengambil kembali PROFIT yang SUDAH anda PEROLEH ketika market BULLISH tahun lalu... Kesimpulan: - KEEP YOUR MONEY NEAR BIJI P*LER !!! , So NOBODY can take your money... - Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] COMPOSITE : Short term limited upside, please save your position until further informations
hehehehehehehe Karno Edy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Tapi musti waspada, sebab ada pihak yg punya power dan suka memutarbalikan pendapat analis/perkiraan mayoritas - Original Message - From: Rei To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] COMPOSITE : Short term limited upside, please save your position until further informations Tuh pak, the master has spoken! Hehe...jadi lihat index sudah dekat2 gini, jualan dulu ah. Gua pikir di Indo mesti kadang2 keluar masuk baru cuan kalo diam aja terlalu monoton... lihat ntar dah. Sudeswanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Secara teknikal, index telah mengalami teknikal rebound dan pada saat ini teknikal rebound sudah mendekati angka ajaib fibonacci 61,8% yang berada pada kisaran 1.761 - 1.775, akan lebih bijak bila kita mengamankan posisi kita saat ini sambil menunggu perkembangan lebih lanjut. - Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. - Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started!
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS: Broker ANALYSYS + INDEX SENIN NAIK
vib please check the trading volume.range remains at 7,900-9,400... in high volatility...but i do agree with IAN cheers Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kalo nankep nya gak pake ilmu bandar .. pasti ambless, boss Vibb ...:D btw, exit di berapa yahh 9300-9500 keisi gak yahh secara TA? salam On 1/16/07, Santo Vibby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Senior TA emang bener koq, tidak baek nangkep piso jatoh, kecuali kalo emang jantung dah trained utk swing trading mbah... Ini gambar TA utk PGAS (sesi 1) sblm doi di suspended yg saya kirimkan ke V-trader minggu lalu Semoga membantu SV www.J-Club.biz - Original Message - From: jsx_consultant To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS: Broker ANALYSYS + INDEX SENIN NAIK Embah pikir analisa technical selalu nunggu REBOUND, seperti ditulis dimilis AATI pagi ini Tapi kalo pak Vibby untung pake TA, embah sih percaya aja ama sang MAESTRO Mohon PEMBELAJARANnya, karena para SENIOR TA selalu bilang jangan menangkap PISAU JATUH --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com , "Santo Vibby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Buy PGAS @7400 sblm market suspended, ni pagi lego 50%di 8.100, 30% di 8.250, lagi 20% di 8250 juga... semua pake TA mbah ... Tidak gigit jari.. malah party besar ama V-trade members mbah hehehehe > > SV > > www.J-club.biz > > > > - Original Message - > From: jsx_consultant > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:56 AM > Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS: Broker ANALYSYS + INDEX SENIN NAIK > > > PGAS 8250 +10,8 jam 09:51... > Yang pake TECHNICAL terpaksa HARUS GIGIT JARI... > > Embah pake analisa NYALI, tapi embah harus akui TANGAN EMBAH > GEMETAR BERAT ampe engga NULIS... hehehe > > Kalo maen model PASANG NYALI BEGINI ngelawan bandar, embah > bisa umur pendek JADI JANGAN DICONTOH !!! engga baek > buat kesehatan > - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. - Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS juga kena denda COPI?
Too much love will kill you. Too many rumors will bankrupt you. James Arifin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Saya dapat rumour bahwa PGAS juga harus membayar denda ke COPI akibat keterlambatan pipa SSWJ tersebut. Ada yang bisa klarifikasi apakah rumour ini akurat? Regards, On 1/16/07, James Arifin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: PGAS memang ambil profitnya dari toll fee tapi mereka juga membeli gas dari producers. Saya nggak tahu apakah mereka membelinya dengan fixed price (normal untuk domestic market) atau link to crude price (international standard). Kalau fixed price, tentunya mereka punya kontrak long term. Pricing yang mereka beli dan pricing yang mereka tentukan ke customer, memberikan profit tambahan selain bisnis pipelinenya. Masalahnya adalah bila supplier gas seperti ConocoPhilips, Pertamina atau lainnya kehabisan gas 20 tahun mendatang, maka bisnis pipa PGAS tinggal jadi besi bekas. Ini yang perlu dan harus dipikirkan manajemen PGAS kalau mereka memiliki pemikiran "business as a going concern". Kalau nggak, sahamnya nggak bisa diwarisi tuh ... hehehe On 1/16/07, Fadel Akbar < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hati2.. Beli barang kayak PGAS.. mereka hanya perusahaan trading bukan yang eksplorasi jadi untungnya dari margin gak ada yang lain.. atau paling untung kurs (tapi agak kurang memungkinkan karena pasarnya dalam negeri bukan ekspor seperti MEDC dan Pertamina). Jadi kalau dikasi kuota tuh barangnya, PGAS bisa mampus.. Jadi batal deh proyek2nya..istilah keuangannya "not feasible anymore".. gitu bos.. Mending langsung beli yang jelas2 produksi kayak MEDC, tapi hati2 juga karena duitnya gak jelas masuk ke MEDC lagi atau ke Mr. AP Gitu aja bos.. Beli lah barang BUMN yang benar2 bagus..atau swasta yang GCG nya lebih bener.. bukan berarti swasta lebih baik daripada BUMN karena ingat saja ketika krisis yang ancur malah swasta dan bukan BUMN.. Jadi kalau para bandar masih rasional yang harus dipegang adalah BUMN yang bagus..yang benar2 bagus.. gitu aja comment dari saya.. Mohon maap kalau ada salah2 kate ye.. Terima kasih FA (Fundamental Analyst) --- bobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > buy now! > > AzRuL wrote: > > > PGAS released form Suspend.. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > *From:* adi kiswoyo > > > *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:47 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS VALUATION > > > > embag, > > > > saya mau beli pags gmana apa udah boleh beli > nanti begitu suspensi > > di buka ? > > > > sya sempat nyangkut 2 lot. > > > > 1 lot di 11750 > > 1 lot di 11150. > > > > waktu itu ngak kepikiran di jual karena saya > percaya seperti embah > > bahwa secara fundamental bagus. > > > > tapi gak sangka bandar tega benar nich > hancurin saham sampai > > melorot kayak begini. > > > > jadi saran dari embah gmana nich > > > > sebelum dan sesudahnya saya ucapkan terima > kasih. > > > > > > salam, > > > > > > adi kiswoyo > > pengagum, pengikut dan juga murid embah. > > > > */rivan man <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >/* wrote: > > > > wah PGAS lg PGAS lg ...oh ya untuk para > sesepuh dan para > > senior jg Embah Happy New Year ya...kalo > pendapatku tentang > > PGAS...kalo menurutku saham yang paling > badung atau bandel tp > > jg salah satu saham yang paling perkasa > ini > > pendapatku...kenapa paling perkasa kalo > dak salah sebelum ada > > tentang divestasi ini mm thn brp 2005 apa > 2006 pernah ada yang > > mendowngrade pgas jg kalo dak salah dari > lv 12rb apa 11rb ya > > rada lupa aku walau di downgrade pada saat > itu tp PGAS ke lv > > 8rb an,tetap aja bisa menyentuh lv 13rb lg > dan belum lama ini > > pgas dari 12rb apa 11700 aku rada lupa > pernah jg di turunkan > > ke 10100-10200 tp tetap jg si PGAS bisa > meyentuh lv 12rb lg > > sudah beberp kali PGAS mengalami gelombang > spt ini sebelumnya > > tp tetap saja si PGAS bisa berjalan > menyentuh lg2 12rb nah > > jadi tidak heran kalo PGAS spt skr ini ada > gelombang yang > > dasyat dari 12rb malah sampe 7400 nth > besok walaupun kemana si > > PGAS PGAS di datangi badai2 tetap PGAS > yang bisa menahan > > gelombang atau badaijadi tidak heran > dan tidak aneh > > tentang saham yang satu ini si PGAS...sm > spt halnya Emas kalo > > mau jadi Emas harus di lebur dulu dengan > bara atau api yang > > panas baru bisa menjadi Emas dan skr PGAS > mengalami sakit atau > > badai dikrnkan yang saya lihat dari > report2 broker2 yang ada > > tidak lain tentang FA nya dan saya percaya > pasti ada treatment > > nya dan pemerintah tidak akan tinggal diam > menurut > > saya,dikrnkan PGAS salah satu saham BUMN > pemerintah dan lg > > indikasi keberhasilan pemerintah berada > salah satunya di > > pasarmodal.ini hanya sekedar pendapat dari > saya.Good Luck > > Having Gain. > > > > God Bless U > > Rvn > > > > */Halim Mintareja < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* > wrote: > > > > Justru musti diguyur ampe mentok biar > sepi
Re: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS juga kena denda COPI?
hehehe. Indonesia's gas reserves should last 30 years in averagewhile monetizing rate for it now only less than 17%...compared to TIN reserves which will be vanished in 2 or three years, or oil which will be emptied in 10 years...this RESOURCES (PGAS) company still has a brighter outlook... It is a gas distributor, but is is the monopoly holder... The problem now is how the company can cope with the "confidence" or "trust" problems from market participants, soon it is settled, there should be no overhang anymore... valuationI would love or more than happy to buy PGAS at any level below IDR8,000Target price..? in bullish scenario, where everything is going on smoothly, including the political will of the government, PGAS still has a big chance to hit IDR17,000 in 12-month based on GGM, but on normal scenario..its fair value should be at around IDR10,000. disclaimer on... cheers Halim Mintareja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: gas untuk SSWJ masih panjang pak.. 17 tahun dan 20 tahun... makanya valuasi bisa mahal seperti itu.. Rata-rata kontrak PGAS seumur pipanya. cuman itu yang saya bisa konfirmasi On 1/17/07, James Arifin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sekedar koreksi, bukan diterminate pak tapi kontrak expire. Selain itu PGAS harus mulai mikir dari mana dia bisa cari pengganti gas diproduksi sekarang terutama yang dari Sumatera. Kalau nggak business-nya nggak sustainable seperti ketika tahun 2005 mereka kekurangan supply gas dari Kangean yang mengakibatkan mereka pusing tujuh keliling karena banyak demand tapi nggak ada supply On 1/17/07, Fadel Akbar <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Perusahaan yang baik berdasarkan analisa fundamental adalah perusahaan yang memiliki going concern (sustainable growth). Kalau kayak PGAS yang akan di-terminate misalkan kata Mr. James 20 tahun lagi atau pasokan gas nya aja gak jelas karena berbagai kasus yang terjadi di Indonesia sehingga terganggu going concern-nya maka mengindikasikan harus hati2 buat yang megang PGAS. Perusahaan di Amerika (walau kita ceritanya di Indonesia nh) butuh inovasi ataupun akuisisi dan merger untuk going concern sehingga meningkatkan nilainya. Dan sepertinya hal ini gak mungkin akan kejadian di PGAS yang regulasinya aja njelimet. (PGAS gak mungkin akuisisi perusahaan minyak dan gas apalagi Pertamina wong dulu Pertamina induknya bukan? Tapi bisa aja terjadi kasus seperti itu ketika salah satu BUMN yang kecil mengakuisisi yang besar pada tahun 95an. Nb: ada yang ingat gak?kalo ingat tak kasih permen..hehehe) Kenaikan harga PGAS menurut saya terdorong oleh karena akan adanya divestasi susulan. Pegang atau Lepas? Investor or trader? Hidup adalah pilihan bukan? Seperti biasa.. Mohon maap kalo ada salah2 kate ye.. FA (Fundamental Analyst) --- Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Too much love will kill you. > Too many rumors will bankrupt you. > > James Arifin < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > Saya dapat rumour bahwa PGAS juga harus > membayar denda ke COPI akibat keterlambatan pipa > SSWJ tersebut. Ada yang bisa klarifikasi apakah > rumour ini akurat? > > Regards, > > > On 1/16/07, James Arifin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: PGAS memang ambil profitnya dari toll fee > tapi mereka juga membeli gas dari producers. Saya > nggak tahu apakah mereka membelinya dengan fixed > price (normal untuk domestic market) atau link to > crude price (international standard). Kalau fixed > price, tentunya mereka punya kontrak long term. > Pricing yang mereka beli dan pricing yang mereka > tentukan ke customer, memberikan profit tambahan > selain bisnis pipelinenya. > > Masalahnya adalah bila supplier gas seperti > ConocoPhilips, Pertamina atau lainnya kehabisan gas > 20 tahun mendatang, maka bisnis pipa PGAS tinggal > jadi besi bekas. Ini yang perlu dan harus dipikirkan > manajemen PGAS kalau mereka memiliki pemikiran > "business as a going concern". Kalau nggak, sahamnya > nggak bisa diwarisi tuh ... hehehe > > > On 1/16/07, Fadel Akbar < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hati2.. > Beli barang kayak PGAS.. > mereka hanya perusahaan trading bukan yang > eksplorasi > jadi untungnya dari margin gak ada yang lain.. > atau paling untung kurs (tapi agak kurang > memungkinkan > karena pasarnya dalam negeri bukan ekspor seperti > MEDC > dan Pertamina). > Jadi kalau dikasi kuota tuh barangnya, PGAS bisa > mampus.. > Jadi batal deh proyek2nya..istilah keuangannya "not > feasible anymore".. > gitu bos.. > Mending langsung beli yang jelas2 produksi kayak > MEDC, > tapi hati2 juga karena duitnya gak jelas masuk ke > MEDC > lagi atau ke Mr. AP > Gitu aja bos.. > Beli lah barang BUMN yan
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: PGAS juga kena denda COPI?
EXACTLY Agus Partono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Setelah 20 th ke depan??? Jualan besi dan pipa bekas... Apakah anda bisa pula bayangkan apa yg akan dilakukan oleh BP, ExxonMobil, Chevron dlm 20 th ke depan??? Tapi kenapa skr orang2 masih menghargai premium stocknya? --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "James Arifin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Khan saya memang bilang kontraknya 20 tahun, yang saya masalahkan setelah > itu karena prinsip harus going concern artinya PGAS sudah harus mikir mau > apa 20 tahun mendatang. > > On 1/17/07, Halim Mintareja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.
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wal..bravo pak agus.nice one.. Agus Partono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Estimated oil reserves: 800 billions of barrels, world consumption: 76 millions per day, looks like planet Earth has have oil for about 10,000 days, i.e. about 27 years. Assuming that consumption does not increase...(which is impossible). If consumption increases an average 5% a year, then we have oil for about 15 years. Then count that to the 'life' of those mentioned oil companies. Sure PGAS is incomparable with those big sisters. But in my area, the growth of gas pipe for home consumption is so high, and the demand also high, coz much cheaper than LPG tanks distributed by Pertamina ( used to be my wife bought 2 tanks for +/- 120 thousands, while same consumption from PGN cost only 50-60 thou). And who the hell will hold PGAS stock for 20 yrs long? PGAS is just a ticker in hundreds( so many swingers today) rgds, agus --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "James Arifin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Karena memiliki reserve dimana-mana bukan cuma di Indonesia, itu yang > disebutkan sebagai reserve to replacement ratio. BP, Exxon, Shell memiliki > reserve replacement ratio yang cukup tinggi sehingga bisnis mereka akan > tetap ada kecuali oil reserve di seluruh dunia sudah habis. > > Selain itu PGAS tidak dapat dicompare dengan mereka karena bisnis bergerak > di downstream sehingga mammoth tersebut mempunyai bisnis di semua bidang. > > > On 1/17/07, Agus Partono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Setelah 20 th ke depan??? > > Jualan besi dan pipa bekas... > > > > Apakah anda bisa pula bayangkan apa yg akan dilakukan oleh BP, > > ExxonMobil, Chevron dlm 20 th ke depan??? Tapi kenapa skr orang2 masih > > menghargai premium stocknya? > > > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com , > > "James Arifin" > > wrote: > > > > > > Khan saya memang bilang kontraknya 20 tahun, yang saya masalahkan > > setelah > > > itu karena prinsip harus going concern artinya PGAS sudah harus mikir > > mau > > > apa 20 tahun mendatang. > > > > > > On 1/17/07, Halim Mintareja wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Sekilas Berita
the stories ARE AIMED AT SUPPORTING the theory that the main index could go down from 17770-1790 levels. rite..? anyway, if chart denies itself, the reader must deny the faith cheers Rei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: War is inevitable? Oil prices shooting up? Hm... Idx anteng2 aja ya... semoga berlanjut terus... Rgds, Rei Sudeswanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rabu 17 Januari 2006 Metrotvnews.com, Moskow: Menteri Pertahanan Rusia Sergei Ivanov membenarkan bahwa Rusia telah menjual sistem pertahanan antimisil udara jenis TOR M1 ke Iran. Hal itu disampaikan Ivanov dalam konferensi pers yang digelar Selasa (17/1) waktu setempat. Ivanov menyatakan, Moskow dan Teheran telah menandatangani kontrak senilai US$ 700 juta untuk pembelian 29 unit TOR M1. Kontrak ini ditandatangani pada Desember tahun lalu. TOR M1 adalah misil udara yang mampu mengidentifikasi 48 target pada ketinggian 6.000 meter. Senjata ini juga mampu menembak dua target secara simultan. Menurut Ivanov, Moskow dan Teheran juga tengah menjajaki pembelian sejumlah senjata lainnya. Tetapi Ivanov menolak menjelaskan secara detil kerja sama tersebut. Menurut Ivanov, pembelian sistem pertahanan udara ini tidak menyalahi Resolusi Perserikatan Bangsa-Bangsa (PBB) mengenai program nuklir Iran. Selama ini, Amerika Serikat mendesak dunia internasional untuk menghentikan penjualan senjata kepada Iran, guna menekan Teheran menghentikan program pengembangan nuklirnya.(/DOR) Liputan6.com, Washington: Amerika Serikat kembali menempatkan satu kapal induk di perairan Teluk Persia. Kapal Induk USS John C Stenis diberangkatkan dari Washington, Selasa (16/1), dengan mengangkut 3.200 personel dan tak kurang dari 80 pesawat jet tempur termasuk F-18 Hornet dan Super Hornet. Kapal induk ini dijadwalkan tiba di kawasan Teluk bulan depan dan bergabung dengan Kapal Induk USS Eisenhower yang saat ini ditempatkan di perairan Somalia. Sebelumnya USS John C Stenis ditempatkan di wilayah Pasifik. Menteri Pertahanan AS Robert Gates mengungkapkan, penempatan dua kapal induk di perairan Teluk untuk memberi peringatan kepada Iran. Selain menempatkan dua kapal induk, AS juga menambah kekuatan peluru kendali Patriot di Semenanjung Arabia. Padahal Iran menentang penempatan peluru kendali dan telah meminta pemimpin negara Arab untuk menutup pangkalan militer AS di wilayahnya pada Desember silam. Selain di Irak, AS telah menempatkan lebih dari 40 ribu personel militer di wilayah Arab dengan jumlah terbesar berada di Kuwait.(ADO) - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS juga kena denda COPI?
ooops.you've got it wrong. Netither AAF nor PIM are client of PGAS...they were EXXON's care to see the details..? please read through all stories bout them the moral, however, within 20 years (in a very worst scenario..) you still can get so many investment to choose... James Arifin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Considering your statement, then AAF, PIM should not be closed as Indonesia had plenty reserves. Reserves is one thing but there is other thing that is more important, where? On 1/17/07, Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hehehe. Indonesia's gas reserves should last 30 years in averagewhile monetizing rate for it now only less than 17%...compared to TIN reserves which will be vanished in 2 or three years, or oil which will be emptied in 10 years...this RESOURCES (PGAS) company still has a brighter outlook... It is a gas distributor, but is is the monopoly holder... The problem now is how the company can cope with the "confidence" or "trust" problems from market participants, soon it is settled, there should be no overhang anymore... valuationI would love or more than happy to buy PGAS at any level below IDR8,000Target price..? in bullish scenario, where everything is going on smoothly, including the political will of the government, PGAS still has a big chance to hit IDR17,000 in 12-month based on GGM, but on normal scenario..its fair value should be at around IDR10,000. disclaimer on... cheers Halim Mintareja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: gas untuk SSWJ masih panjang pak.. 17 tahun dan 20 tahun... makanya valuasi bisa mahal seperti itu.. Rata-rata kontrak PGAS seumur pipanya. cuman itu yang saya bisa konfirmasi On 1/17/07, James Arifin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Sekedar koreksi, bukan diterminate pak tapi kontrak expire. Selain itu PGAS harus mulai mikir dari mana dia bisa cari pengganti gas diproduksi sekarang terutama yang dari Sumatera. Kalau nggak business-nya nggak sustainable seperti ketika tahun 2005 mereka kekurangan supply gas dari Kangean yang mengakibatkan mereka pusing tujuh keliling karena banyak demand tapi nggak ada supply On 1/17/07, Fadel Akbar <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Perusahaan yang baik berdasarkan analisa fundamental adalah perusahaan yang memiliki going concern (sustainable growth). Kalau kayak PGAS yang akan di-terminate misalkan kata Mr. James 20 tahun lagi atau pasokan gas nya aja gak jelas karena berbagai kasus yang terjadi di Indonesia sehingga terganggu going concern-nya maka mengindikasikan harus hati2 buat yang megang PGAS. Perusahaan di Amerika (walau kita ceritanya di Indonesia nh) butuh inovasi ataupun akuisisi dan merger untuk going concern sehingga meningkatkan nilainya. Dan sepertinya hal ini gak mungkin akan kejadian di PGAS yang regulasinya aja njelimet. (PGAS gak mungkin akuisisi perusahaan minyak dan gas apalagi Pertamina wong dulu Pertamina induknya bukan? Tapi bisa aja terjadi kasus seperti itu ketika salah satu BUMN yang kecil mengakuisisi yang besar pada tahun 95an. Nb: ada yang ingat gak?kalo ingat tak kasih permen..hehehe) Kenaikan harga PGAS menurut saya terdorong oleh karena akan adanya divestasi susulan. Pegang atau Lepas? Investor or trader? Hidup adalah pilihan bukan? Seperti biasa.. Mohon maap kalo ada salah2 kate ye.. FA (Fundamental Analyst) --- Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Too much love will kill you. > Too many rumors will bankrupt you. > > James Arifin < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > Saya dapat rumour bahwa PGAS juga harus > membayar denda ke COPI akibat keterlambatan pipa > SSWJ tersebut. Ada yang bisa klarifikasi apakah > rumour ini akurat? > > Regards, > > > On 1/16/07, James Arifin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: PGAS memang ambil profitnya dari toll fee > tapi mereka juga membeli gas dari producers. Saya > nggak tahu apakah mereka membelinya dengan fixed > price (normal untuk domestic market) atau link to > crude price (international standard). Kalau fixed > price, tentunya mereka punya kontrak long term. > Pricing yang mereka beli dan pricing yang mereka > tentukan ke customer, memberikan profit tambahan > selain bisnis pipelinenya. > > Masalahnya adalah bila supplier gas seperti > ConocoPhilips, Pertamina atau lainnya kehabisan gas > 20 tahun mendatang, maka bisnis pipa PGAS tinggal > jadi besi bekas. Ini yang perlu dan harus dipikirkan > manajemen PGAS kalau mereka memiliki pemikiran > "business as a going concern". Kalau nggak, sahamnya > nggak bisa diwarisi tuh ... hehehe > > > On 1/16/07, Fadel Akbar < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hati2.. > Beli barang kayak PGAS.. > mereka hanya perusaha
Re: [obrolan-bandar] PGAS juga kena denda COPI?
you mean i missed the point..? it's ok let see how this gas distributor perform in 20 years...if i am stilll available in Indonesia, thou...hehehehe cheers James Arifin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: you lose the point, nice to discuss but you can not see my point in AAF and PIM case On 1/19/07, Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ooops.you've got it wrong. Netither AAF nor PIM are client of PGAS...they were EXXON's care to see the details..? please read through all stories bout them the moral, however, within 20 years (in a very worst scenario..) you still can get so many investment to choose... James Arifin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Considering your statement, then AAF, PIM should not be closed as Indonesia had plenty reserves. Reserves is one thing but there is other thing that is more important, where? On 1/17/07, Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: hehehe. Indonesia's gas reserves should last 30 years in averagewhile monetizing rate for it now only less than 17%...compared to TIN reserves which will be vanished in 2 or three years, or oil which will be emptied in 10 years...this RESOURCES (PGAS) company still has a brighter outlook... It is a gas distributor, but is is the monopoly holder... The problem now is how the company can cope with the "confidence" or "trust" problems from market participants, soon it is settled, there should be no overhang anymore... valuationI would love or more than happy to buy PGAS at any level below IDR8,000Target price..? in bullish scenario, where everything is going on smoothly, including the political will of the government, PGAS still has a big chance to hit IDR17,000 in 12-month based on GGM, but on normal scenario..its fair value should be at around IDR10,000. disclaimer on... cheers Halim Mintareja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: gas untuk SSWJ masih panjang pak.. 17 tahun dan 20 tahun... makanya valuasi bisa mahal seperti itu.. Rata-rata kontrak PGAS seumur pipanya. cuman itu yang saya bisa konfirmasi On 1/17/07, James Arifin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Sekedar koreksi, bukan diterminate pak tapi kontrak expire. Selain itu PGAS harus mulai mikir dari mana dia bisa cari pengganti gas diproduksi sekarang terutama yang dari Sumatera. Kalau nggak business-nya nggak sustainable seperti ketika tahun 2005 mereka kekurangan supply gas dari Kangean yang mengakibatkan mereka pusing tujuh keliling karena banyak demand tapi nggak ada supply On 1/17/07, Fadel Akbar <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Perusahaan yang baik berdasarkan analisa fundamental adalah perusahaan yang memiliki going concern (sustainable growth). Kalau kayak PGAS yang akan di-terminate misalkan kata Mr. James 20 tahun lagi atau pasokan gas nya aja gak jelas karena berbagai kasus yang terjadi di Indonesia sehingga terganggu going concern-nya maka mengindikasikan harus hati2 buat yang megang PGAS. Perusahaan di Amerika (walau kita ceritanya di Indonesia nh) butuh inovasi ataupun akuisisi dan merger untuk going concern sehingga meningkatkan nilainya. Dan sepertinya hal ini gak mungkin akan kejadian di PGAS yang regulasinya aja njelimet. (PGAS gak mungkin akuisisi perusahaan minyak dan gas apalagi Pertamina wong dulu Pertamina induknya bukan? Tapi bisa aja terjadi kasus seperti itu ketika salah satu BUMN yang kecil mengakuisisi yang besar pada tahun 95an. Nb: ada yang ingat gak?kalo ingat tak kasih permen..hehehe) Kenaikan harga PGAS menurut saya terdorong oleh karena akan adanya divestasi susulan. Pegang atau Lepas? Investor or trader? Hidup adalah pilihan bukan? Seperti biasa.. Mohon maap kalo ada salah2 kate ye.. FA (Fundamental Analyst) --- Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Too much love will kill you. > Too many rumors will bankrupt you. > > James Arifin < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > Saya dapat rumour bahwa PGAS juga harus > membayar denda ke COPI akibat keterlambatan pipa > SSWJ tersebut. Ada yang bisa klarifikasi apakah > rumour ini akurat? > > Regards, > > > On 1/16/07, James Arifin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: PGAS memang ambil profitnya dari toll fee > tapi mereka juga membeli gas dari producers. Saya > nggak tahu apakah mereka membelinya dengan fixed > price (normal untuk domestic market) atau link to > crude price (international standard). Kalau fixed > price, tentunya mereka punya kontrak long term. > Pricing yang mereka beli dan pricing yang mereka > tentukan ke customer, memberikan profit tambahan > selain bisnis pipelinenya. > > Masalahnya adalah bila supplier gas seperti > ConocoPhilips, Pertamina atau lainnya kehabisan gas > 20 tahun mendatang, maka bisnis
Re: [obrolan-bandar] MANA TUH MR. FS???
wuaa.thought u are very "sakti"so that u don't need anybody's help hehehehe...andnever said that i WOULD jack up pgas shares. but, in the long term horizoni must say PGAS remains ATTRACTIVE...WATCH IT pendekarsaktisekali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: KATANYA MAU MENGANGKAT PGAS SAMPE LEVEL TERTINGGI??? UDAH BANGKRUT??? - Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Ada apa dg IHSG ???
hehehehehe..no comment God bless you all Hotma Sirait <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: enggak ada apa-apa dengan IHSG memang sudah saat-nya turun (lihat saja chart-nya di yahoo finance ^JKSE sudah ketinggian tuh it's time to turun banyak) kebetulan ada momentum (alasan yang dicari-cari) keluar dari CGI. besok juga turun lagi (banjir darah lebih besar lagi) enggak ada masalah, please bandar-bandar IHSG turunin lagi dong yang banyak besok ya (-70) seperti biasa setiap hari jumat kan bandar perlu uang untuk refreshing week-end kita kasi deh. intinya 'never argue with the market' he..he..he sok wise nih padahal baru saja cut-loss AALI. regards, hotma sirait 'disclaimer is on 100%' - Original Message From: Investor Bonex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:35:43 AM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Ada apa dg IHSG ??? Ada apa dg IHSG ? Koq tiba2 banjir darah kemana2 reaksi dari keluar dar CGI atau apa ya ? - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. - Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. - Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] ANTM : Last call to check out
ANTAM closed higher..pakhehehehe cheers Sudeswanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Secara teknikal, ANTM juga sudah memasuki teritori negatif dan berpeluang menjadi partner TLKM & ASII dalam penurunan index Please protect your capital and profit... Disclaimer mode on and God bless you all! ^^ Best Regards, SAMUEL SUDESWANTO YEUNG RESEARCH DEPARTMENT PT SINARMAS SEKURITAS GEDUNG PLAZA BII MENARA III Jl.M.H.Thamrin No.51 Telp : 62-21-3925550 ext.159 Fax : 62-21-3925579 DISCLAIMER : This material is issued by PT Sinarmas Sekuritas, a member of the Jakarta and Surabaya Stock Exchanges, represent the opinion of PT Sinarmas Sekuritas, derived its judgement from sources deemed reliable, however, PT Sinarmas Sekuritas and its affiliated cannot guarantee its accuracy and completeness. PT Sinarmas Sekuritas or its affiliates may be involved in transactions contrary to any opinion herein or have positions in the securities recommended herein and may seek or will seek investment banking or other business relationships with the companies in this material. PT Sinarmas Sekuritas, its employees and its affiliates, expressly disclaim any and all liability for representation or warranties, expressed or implied, here in or omission there from or for any loss how so ever arising from any use of this material or its contents or otherwise arising in connection there with. Opinion expressed in this material are our present view and are subject to change without notice. GOD BLESS YOU - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Pembantain berdarah di BEJ...
it is still a trend in trend chartingthe moral is: if you put a brake on your car and feeling left behind...you should step on it hardly...rite..? so your car will even go faster. the chart from aria bela looks good...but, please don't missread it regards, Herry Atmadjaja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: PGAS (Finance Direktor Djoko Parmono) mengatakan penjualan 2006 sebesar Rp. 6.17 Trilliun. Sepertinya dibawah prediksi semua analis saham untuk pendapatan 2006. Penjualan Pgas menurut analis: Credit suisse : 6992 milyar DBS Group : 7138 milyar CIMB : 7153 milyar BNP Paribas : 7558 milyar CLSA : 7659 milyar Merrill lynch : 8897 milyar Kim eng : 8467 milyar Danareksa : 7467 milyar Trimegah : 7343 milyar Bagaimana dengan Net Profit Pgas? Ada yang bisa bantu hitung? Barangkali Eps 2006 sekitar Rp. 350 atau PE 25 ??? On 1/25/07, Investor Bonex <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Pagi ini terjadi pembantaian berdarah di BEJ dikabarkan 70% dari penghuni BEJ berdarah2 dan sekarat... ... .. BEJ berdarah... Waroeng sepi... tanda-tanda lalat generasi tua akan pensiun... diharapkan lalat generasi baru datang...untuk dibantai When this bloody journey will be end ? Mr FS, experts, pls comment - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. - Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started!
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Quote
FYI
PRESS RELEASE: Fitch Revises Indonesia BB- Rtg Outlook To Pos
The following is a press release from Fitch Ratings:
¶ Fitch Ratings-Jakarta/Hong Kong/Singapore-29 January 2007: Fitch Ratings
has today revised the Outlook on the foreign and local currency Issuer Default
ratings ("IDRs") of the Republic of Indonesia to Positive from Stable, while
affirming both ratings at 'BB-' (BB minus). At the same time, the agency has
also affirmed Indonesia's Short-term IDR at 'B' and the Country Ceiling at
'BB'.
¶ "The revision to the Outlook on Indonesia's sovereign ratings reflects the
authorities' commitment to maintaining economic stability and fiscal
discipline, as well as the government's stronger top-down policy intent to
implement a structural reform agenda aimed at improving the investment
climate," says Ai Ling Ngiam, Director in Fitch's Sovereign Ratings team in
Singapore. The government's efforts to tackle key investor concerns on
corruption, bureaucratic and regulatory hindrances particularly in the areas of
taxation and customs may slowly be paying off. A culture of fear of openly
engaging in corruption has emerged amid anti-corruption investigations leading
to several high profile prosecutions, asset recoveries and rising complaints
via the whistle-blower programme. Meanwhile the government's electronic open
tender procurement system has improved transparency. Indonesia has also
improved its ranking in the World Economic Forum's Global Competitiveness
Index, moving
up to 50 in 2006 from 69 in 2005.
¶ Public finances and improving surveillance of broader fiscal risks are
Indonesia's fundamental rating strengths. Fitch forecasts the fiscal deficit
will stay manageable at 1.1% of GDP this year, while the government debt-to-GDP
ratio should drop to around 38% this year, levels last seen only in 1997 and
better than the 41% median for the 'BB' rating category. Nonetheless, the
debt-to-revenue ratio of 212% in 2006 is less favourable than the 'BB' median
of 162% and further tax efforts are needed to increase revenue. Domestic debt
re-profiling efforts have successfully reduced the bunching risks of domestic
debt repayments in 2007-2009 by switching these bonds into long-dated bonds
maturing in 2010 and 2025.
¶ On the external front, a strong build-up in the forex reserves position
thanks to commodity price increases, larger-than-expected import compression by
manufacturers and robust portfolio inflows has provided a more comfortable
cushion to deal with systemic shocks. Indonesia's gross financing requirement
including short-term debt is expected to drop to around 66% of official
reserves, in line with the 'BB' median. Nonetheless, Indonesia's external
balance sheet risks remain, as an up-tick in emerging market risk aversion
could lead to a disruptive outflow of portfolio equity or debt investment,
while a larger resident accumulation of private external assets may also weigh
on the balance of payments. Furthermore, on the current account front, a higher
consumer and manufacturers' import bill attributable to the recovery in real
GDP growth to approximately 5.9% this year from 5.6% in 2006 pose dollar demand
pressures.
¶ Trade facilitation through the creation of Special Economic Zones, the push
for an Economic Partnership Agreement with top export destination Japan and the
implementation of National Single Window scheme for traders by 2008 is vital to
raise Indonesia's current external receipts ("CXR"). Indonesia's gross external
debt, external debt service and interest service ratios are weak compared to
'BB' peer medians. Looking ahead, Fitch says the resilience of the external
position will require accelerated efforts to build sustainable capital inflows
in the form of foreign direct investment ("FDI"), as a preferred alternative to
possibly volatile portfolio flows. Indonesia's export competitiveness will also
need to be addressed in the near term with greater urgency to improve
Indonesia's credit risk profile.
boyz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: sekedar menambahkan,
The objective in the market was not to be always right, (because, no body can
always predict right, ...ever)
but to make big money when you were right.
and always cut short the loss when you were wrong.
salam,
Widhie !!! wrote: "Early in my studies, I had a friend who used more than 100
indicators
to analyze the stock market. At first, I envied his superior knowledge,
but eventually I came to feel sorry for him: He was always
confused. I finally figured out that he simply had too much information.
At any given time, only one or two points were vital, and the rest just
served to divert his attention to unimportant and contradictory data. He
had never learned that the secret to a clear and accurate picture of the
market is finding the few truly important pieces of information and
downplaying or discarding everything else."
- Mich
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Ada apa dg IHSG ???
I am still very much happy. it's a good correction hehehehe Investor Bonex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wah Mr. Pemain Besar sekarang pelit bicara nih lagi babak belur ni mister... let me guest, Apakah waktunya FM utk 'nyetor' ke BOZZ BESAR ?? Frederick Schubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hehehehehe..no comment God bless you all Hotma Sirait <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: enggak ada apa-apa dengan IHSG memang sudah saat-nya turun (lihat saja chart-nya di yahoo finance ^JKSE sudah ketinggian tuh it's time to turun banyak) kebetulan ada momentum (alasan yang dicari-cari) keluar dari CGI. besok juga turun lagi (banjir darah lebih besar lagi) enggak ada masalah, please bandar-bandar IHSG turunin lagi dong yang banyak besok ya (-70) seperti biasa setiap hari jumat kan bandar perlu uang untuk refreshing week-end kita kasi deh. intinya 'never argue with the market' he..he..he sok wise nih padahal baru saja cut-loss AALI. regards, hotma sirait 'disclaimer is on 100%' - Original Message From: Investor Bonex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:35:43 AM Subject: [obrolan-bandar] Ada apa dg IHSG ??? Ada apa dg IHSG ? Koq tiba2 banjir darah kemana2 reaksi dari keluar dar CGI atau apa ya ? - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. - Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. - Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. - TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Jackpot trader!
We, here, love the state of investment strategy...we aren't familiar with gambling...but, we love to fight those trying so. hehehehehehehehe schweizenische_kreditanstalt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can't understand why people still optimistic about market.. They might some kind of Casino Raiders?... rgds - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Buat Jagoan FA......Re: [saham] Fwd: Produksi timah Indonesia menurun 1/3 thn ini
I shared Pak Eka's opinion...with some reserves Just buy for mid term investment and sell it whenever it tries or closes to 9,000 level...Tin reserves are always in question...If we go back to 2000's...we would find that the panic selling was because of fears that tin reserves will only last for five to 10 yearsit is now 2007...so you have one to three years to play around with TINSMy advise is don't get burn by tin.it's painfulhehe EKA SUWANDANA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kalo asumsi 1$/MT harga wajar Rp9000. Saya nggak berani lebih dari itu. Ingat di laporan keuangan yg bisa di download di jsx.co.id disitu disisipkan harga rata2 jualan, harga pokok penjualan. Utk harga pokok penjualan trendnya ikut naik, seiring dgn naiknya Jumlah tanah yg digali. tahun lalu (coba cek lagi) 2 Jt MT tanah , sekarang 3 Jt MT tanah digali utk dapatkan 4MT Timah. So itu memang seperti direksinya akui, tanda2 deposit terbukti, sudah habis, dan kedepan ongkos angkat TIN juga makin mahal. So kalo ada yg bilang TINS bakal 9000-1, yakin sampai, kalo ada yg bilang 15000-17000, IT'S BIG BULLSHIT! Investor Bonex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Berdasarkan news ini seharusnya pakar2 dan jagoan FA waroeng OB (P. EKA, P Halim, Mr FS, dkk) bisa memprediksi brp sebenarnya fair value TINS for Y2007. Asumsi Y2007 : Avrg tin = 12,000USD/MT Production = 40,000MT/yr (base case : 45,000MT) thanks Teddy Halim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wah jadi dong ni harga TINS rock and roll, naik kenceng, 8000, 9000 dan balik ke 11000 spt bbrp thn lalu? Financial Times FT.com Markets Indonesia's tin output to fall sharply By John Aglionby in Jakarta Published: January 30 2007 17:57 | Last updated: January 30 2007 17:57 Tin production in Indonesia, the world's largest exporter, will fall by up to a third this year due to new government regulations to clean up the industry, the head of the country's largest manufacturer predicted on Tuesday. Thobrani Alwi, the president of Timah, estimated that production would drop to 80,000-90,000 tonnes from 120,000 tonnes last year because the new rules will force the majority of exporters out of business for months and some permanently. From February 23 tin exporters will have to register with the trade ministry and pay the government royalties of 3 per cent. Registration will require having one's own licensed production area or sourcing from a licensed contractor and an approved environmental impact assessment study. Many smelters buy tin from the thousands of people mining tin illegally with no environmental controls. The price of tin on the London Metal Exchange soared to a near 20-year high of $12,425 last week after the rules were announced. It traded at about $12,250 a tonne on Tuesday, up 64 per cent over the past 12 months. Of the 39 Indonesian tin producers and exporters, only two currently meet all the regulations. One of them is Timah. Mr Thobrani estimated that about a dozen of those shut down might meet all the regulations. "Some might be able to restart after a few months," he told the Financial Times. "Others might choose to work with Timah but many will probably have to close." Illegal mining last year accounted for about half of Indonesia's production. A multi-departmental government team is in Bangka Belitung, where all the illegal miners are based, helping them assess their options. Mr Thobrani said a "reasonable" price for tin was $12,000 to $13,000 a tonne. He said Timah might increase its capacity if the price rose to about $13,000 a tonne or if LME stocks, currently 11,555 tonnes, dropped dramatically. Timah's capacity is 50,000 tonnes and it has at least 10 years of reserves. Global demand, which has risen in recent years since tin started replacing lead for soldering, is predicted to be about 365,000 tonnes this year. Tin is also used in cans, alloys and glass production. China is the world's largest producer but keeps much for domestic consumption. Indonesian tin is usually of a higher quality. Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2007 "FT" and "Financial Times" are trademarks of the Financial Times. Privacy policy | Terms © Copyright The Financial Times Ltd 2007. - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] CTRA, will be out its base today?
Pak Busur, Saluute and Best Respect. cheers budi suryono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: CTRA telah lama gerak dikisaran 800-850,hari ini aqkan mencoba break it's high 850, mudah2an berhasil,jika berhasil buy CTRA di 850-860.rgds - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. - Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Lupakan TINS........
hehehehehe short sell...? hehehehehe Odink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: heheee.. kejamnya kl gak punya barang.. :)) On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 08:46:54 +0700, Mr. T wrote: > Short sell.. TP 2500. Yahoo! Groups Links - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.
[obrolan-bandar] CENTRAL BANK CUTS BI RATE TO 9.25% VS 9.5%
oentoeng_q <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Saya di 7850... Yang pasti "beritanya" sdh kadaluarsa. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Oskar Syahbana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hayo ngaku siapa yang short sell tadi pagi ;-)) > > On 2/6/07, Eddy S. Purnomo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2,500 ??? hue...he...he. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Odink" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:02 AM > > Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Lupakan TINS > > > > > > > heheee.. kejamnya kl gak punya barang.. :)) > > > > > > On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 08:46:54 +0700, Mr. T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> Short sell.. TP 2500. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Oskar Syahbana > http://permagnus.com/ -- A Financial site with a human touch > Please send private messages to iservasia[at]gmail.com > - Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Lupakan TINS........
>From the platts story, it should be read that the new verified smelters (five) >are not considerably able to export their tins directly. The license is TO >OPERATE, while law concerning exports verification remain...So they can >operate and sell their tin to TINS, which have license to export REFINED >TIN Just sharing...investmen is on your call cheers Investor Bonex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lupakan TINS.. Pemko Babel uda gak tahan utk puasa dari hot money cukong2 illegal smelter. Bagaimana mungkin dg mudahnya illegal2 smelter memenuhi syarat yg ditetapkan Memperindag utk memperoduksi timah dg kemurnian 99.9% dan memenuhi syarat Amdal ... Otonomi daerah lebih meciptakan "raja2 kecil" yg males tapi pingin cepat kaya !!! Dasar bangsa korup !!! - Five Indonesian tin smelters get government OK to restart Jakarta (Platts)--5Feb2007 Five tin smelters on the Indonesian island of Bangka are able to resume operation following the issuance of permits from the local government, as they meet proper requirements for tin smelting, a government official told Platts Monday. The smelters are among 17 smelters which have submitted proposals to secure a license for tin smelting, local government spokesman Latief Pribadi said, adding that the five smelters permitted to resume operations were CV DS Jaya Abadi, PT Bangka Putra Karya, PT Bukit Timah, CV Duta Putra Bangka and PT Bilitin Makmur. "They have met the requirements on tin smelting and already have an approval from Bangka Belitung's governor," Latief said. The mining and energy department of Bangka Belitung province has verified seven of the 17 smelters which have applied for a permit, he said, adding: "Five among them have secured an approval from governor, while other two smelters are still in the verification process." Tin smelters operating in Indonesia are required to comply with government regulations in order to be allowed to operate. The Indonesian government has clamped down on refined tin exports in a bid to ban uncontrolled mining activity and increase revenues from royalty payments. - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. - TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
Re: OFF LOAD BARANG.....Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Cuman beda STRATEGI........Timah (T
i do really enjoy reading discussions on TINS you guys are good analysts. hehehehehe Karno Edy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: COGSnya $8ribu, kalo ditambah biaya2 lainnya : penjualan, administrasi etc berapa .. akhirnya operating profit berapa ? Waktu ane masih kerja di prsh sekuritas TINS sempat dikabarkan mau bangkrut karena harga timah melempem, cost bisa lebih tinggi dari harga jual pada 3 s/d 5 ribu/ton. (waktu itu energi masih murah, ane hitung2 TINS BEP kalo harga timah 4000/ton). Sekarang harga timah maupun TINS naik banyak. Hitungannya gak masuk akal, means harga timah naik 50% EPS naik 175%? Kemungkinan : Setiap kenaikan harga timah sekian $, profit TINS akan naik sekian juta rupiah. Cheers, Karno - Original Message - From: alfanendya To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 8:06 AM Subject: OFF LOAD BARANG.Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Cuman beda STRATEGITimah (T Kan ada yang namanya Break Even Point Om :-). Delivered cost per tonne (COGS) sekitar $8 ribu/ton. Menurut DBS, setiap kenaikan 5% harga timah akan menyebabkan EPS naik 17,5%. Sekarang 3 month LME tin di 12.700. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "Karno Edy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Kalo bicara laporan tahun 2006, ane optimis EPSnya gak akan nyampe separo > dari EPSnya ANTM > > Ane bilang gak efisien kenapa ? Ini soal perbandingan kinerja sama-sama > sebelum tambang liar diterbitkan. Rata-rata harga jual naik tapi laba bersih > turun banyak (bandingkan setengah tahun 2006 dgn 2005) > > Sekarang setelah tambang liar ditertibkan ane percaya ada perbaikan kinerja. > Tapi soal harga di pasar, murni kerjaan market maker. Timah awal 2005 aja > sudah 7500 s/d 8000an sampe sekarang baru naik 60%an. Bandingkan nickel yg > naik 200%an. Tapi TINS jumlah sahamnya sedikit lebih gampang digoreng. > Setengah tahun sudah naik 300 %an. > > Good luck. > > > > > - Original Message - > From: Investor Bonex > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 5:17 PM > Subject: OFF LOAD BARANG.Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Cuman beda > STRATEGITimah (TINS IJ, BUY --- TP 11.000) > > > > Thanks All... > > Jika dulu harganya 55 rb dan sekarang sekitar segitu, dari sisi COGS Timah > tetap dunk, artinya gain yg diterima PT Timah adalah murni dari kenaikan > harga di market. > > Menurut ogut, saat ini sepertinya Bandar2 yg ngumpulin di harga 2000 dan 4000 > lagi pingin pelesiran, so muatan harus di turunkan dulu biar agak ringan. > Nunggu lapkeu 4Q, seberapa effisien PT Timah beroperasi, thus dari situ baru > ketahuan going NORTH or SOUTH... > > Jst my 2 cent > > alfanendya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Menurut PT Timah, para penambang inkonvensional (TI) masih bisa untung > walau mereka jual tin ore ke PT Timah seharga 4 ribu $/MT. Jadi tin > ore memang akan mengarah ke situ harganya. > > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, "HERDIYANTO WIJAYA" > herdiyanto_wijaya@ wrote: > > > > Kalau di pasaran waktu itu berkisar Rp 55.000/kilo (kadar 70% - 74%) > > > > > > > > Thx. > > > > > > > > From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Investor Bonex > > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:31 PM > > To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Cuman beda STRATEGITimah (TINS > > IJ, BUY --- TP 11.000) > > > > > > > > Sebelum terjadi penutupan smelter (kira2 pertengahan 2006), kira2 Timah > > beli dari tengkulak pasir timah di harga brp per kilonya ? > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > laven_28 laven_28@ wrote: > > > > Klo ngomong efisiensi,Harga pokok p.t. timah skrang hampir sama > > dengan harga beli pasir timah dari tambang rakyat > > soalnya di Babel, sekarang p.t. Timah kebanyakan cuman beli > > pasir > > timah, lebih murah ketimbang pake alat beratnya dia, solar > > mahal. > > Tambang rakyat itu kebanyakan di areal KPnya dia... > > Harga belinya paling murah 39rb, paling mahal 59rb (pasir timah > > kering) perkilo.. > > Sebelum-sebelumnya, dia mesti saingan ama si koba dan si > > smelter.. > > Skrg saingan udah gak ada... > > Skrg juga Colector2 yg sebelumnya pada jualan ke si Koba, skrg > > semuanya mesti jual ke si timah > > > > > > > > > -- > Bored stiff? Loosen up... > Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. > - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
Re: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Cuman beda STRATEGI........Timah (TINS IJ, BUY --- TP 11.000)
od oh od it stands for over doze...rite ? ANDIK MUSTIKA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Analys bikin seru!!! - Original Message From: Aria Bela Nusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Cc: Saham Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:49:12 PM Subject: RE: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Cuman beda STRATEGITimah (TINS IJ, BUY --- TP 11.000) ANALis - juga manusia...he. ..he... regards, Aria -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:obrolan- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 5:06 PM To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re:Re: [obrolan-bandar] Cuman beda STRATEGI Timah (TINS IJ, BUY --- TP 11.000) Analis OD cuman kelupaan satu nol lagi, he3x. Harusnya 12000 ketulis 1200.? â©Thomas _ Sent from my phone using flurry - Get free mobile email and news at: http:/? /www.flurry. com --- Original Message --- Date: Fri Feb 16 20:50:24 PST 2007 From: Karno Edy <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Cuman beda STRATEGI Timah (TINS IJ, BU? Y --- TP 11.000) --- JIKA SEANDAINYA yang terjadi bukan spt saat ini, JIKA yg terjadi TINS mel? orot ke Rp.1.200, apakah mereka akan dapet pujian P'Karno ? Jika bener, tentu saya akan bilang mereka hebat ... Trus sapa yg malu kalo mereka bener ? hehehhehe... . Kalo mereka bener, mestinya yg malu adalah analis yang membuat analisa ko? ntra dengan danareksa. Atau yg bilang prediksi danareksa ke 1200 pasti mele? set, gak mungkin, TINS akan tembus 10.000 dll dst dst Tingkat kebenaran memprediksi harga saham setengah tahun ke depan menurut? saya sangat sulit. Alasannya, kita tidak tahu apa yang akan terjadi besok. Kalau tepat hampir 100% saya lebih percaya karena faktor keberuntungan. ? - Original Message - From: Karno Edy To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Cuman beda STRATEGI Timah (TINS IJ? , BUY --- TP 11.000) Riset Danareksa setengah tahun lalu, harusnya mereka malu buat prediksi? Rp1200 melihat harga TINS sekarang. . _ _ _ _ _ _ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile. yahoo.com/ mail - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.
Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: TINS telah breakout diatas round numbernya buy TINS now!!
10,100caution caution... a flow sell is set. disclaimer HEAVILY ON. cheers budi suryono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: nggak usah take profit dulu pak,nggak ada yang tahu puncaknya, kalau anda gunakan trailing stop yang baik, anda bisa capture movement TINS dengan baik, sekedar tips yang mudah anda bisa set trailing stop di slightly below a round number,just guess recent round number,rgds bangsur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: terima ksih p Budi... Terima kasih p Budi atas infonya, hari ini take provit di TINS, ngeri pegang 4 hari, stress habis karena gak bisa dianalisa pakai TA banyak gorengan. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, budi suryono <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > - > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.
