Re: [Talk-us] license changes
On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Steve Coast wrote: > Any license change process, or anything remotely close to it, should be open > and transparent. It should involve the community from the start and any > company that wants to participate too. I'm aligned with that. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Help with OSM Presentation
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 10:00 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > I'm doing a presentation at Linuxfest Northwest in Bellingham, WA in hopes > to gain new mappers. To help me with the presentation, I'd like to hear from > you. Below are some questions - answer all or just a few. > > What about OSM surprised you most? The amazing diversity in the interests of new contributors. I meet new OpenStreetMap contributors every month, and the interest that brings them in to meet us differ widely. > What is should I absolutely not leave out of the presentation? 1) "Go outside and survey your neighbourhood. There is nothing better that you can do for OpenStreetMap, than behave as though you are tending a shared garden." 2) Time for questions. I have trouble with this because I like to talk. :-) 3) "It's Fun. It's Free. You can help." One of the earliest tag lines used in the project. True then. true now. For the Linuxfest audience, you might want to add something about the hundreds (or thousands) of F/LOSS projects that intersect with the OpenStreetMap project. You certainly can't be expert about all of them, or event list them, but the Linuxfest audience will want to be reassured that they can probably find a library for their preferred development environment. Break a leg! ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Last few days. State of the Map: Call for Venues 2016
Dear All, The Call for Venues to host State of the Map 2016 is open for a few more days. Do you wish that your town / region could host State of the Map? It isn't too late. Get a team of locals together and assemble a bid. Have a look at the example bids, and the bids submitted so far. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2016/Call_for_venues If you have any questions about preparing a bid and/or hosting State of the Map, contact the State of the Map Working Group t...@stateofthemap.org Best regards and happy mapping, Richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] North Carolina Outer Banks
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Jeff Klein wrote: > If I am correct, probably confused, the map sets only go as far east as -76 > West, which excludes the Outer Banks of North Carolina. How do I get maps > that go further east? Dear Jeff, Are you asking about the garmin files that are found here? http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/garmin/Lambertus/2015-03-29 They are extracted from OpenStreetMap data and converted to the format for those devices. If something is missing, like a swath East of some line, then it was likely left out deliberately, for some reason. (Or by mistake, like failing to recognize the awesomeness of Southern Shores, NC, and the Duck Woods Country Club. "Sa-lute!!!") If you would like help with a specific CONSUMER of OpenStreetMap data, and there are many of them, please say which one you are referring to. If you are talking about Dave's wonderful garmin extracts, then you might try one of the larger file formats that span more than just the continental US. You also might send Dave an email and ask if he would consider moving his bounding boxes for you, to include the area that interests you. And, yeah, the outer banks are awesome. :-) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] On advocacy. (Rant-ish) Was: Retagging hamlets in the US
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 4:01 AM, Greg Morgan wrote: > On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Richard Weait wrote: >> 3) New mapper fixes the BadHamlet and starts mapping their favourite >> restaurants, bowling alleys and coffee shops. > > This is a great idea but I believe that you have the experience backwards. I > can only speak for myself but as a new mapper but I had no interesting in > fixing things. I mapped features of interest or where I found the most > rewards. By all means keep doing what works for you. Build on the suggestions from many sources, of how best to talk to your friends / colleagues / neighbours and get them mapping. And, "thanks!" It's not a new idea, of course. This is the same way Steve Coast started OpenStreetMap; talk to people you know and get them to map things near them. This part hasn't changed at all. What has changed is that we have it way easier than Steve did in the early days. We can point to working renderings of OpenStreetMap data, we can point to applications that consume or even edit OpenStreetMap on most any device imaginable, we can point to tutorials and blogs about this or that arcane aspect of the project that holds the interest of our colleague, but perhaps not ours. We can even point to mailing lists and IRC channels in dozens of languages for help when we don't have exactly the right words in common. It's way easier to get a potential new mapper started today than it was when Steve started all of this, over a decade ago. What hasn't changed is that advocacy is a deliberate choice. You have to decide to do it. But that decision can be as easy as reaching out to a old contact on your favourite social network,saying, "What's up?" and asking if they want to know about the mapping thing you do. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US
My initial reaction to any automated edit is to break out in a rash. Can we use that image to promote mapping best practices? :-) Goal: A new local mapper in each BadHamlet Method: 1) Create an overlay that displays the hamlets as ugly, rash-like spots. It could even be a "rash" that allows checkouts a la tasking manager. 2) Encourage mappers to do outreach in each spot. - Mapper in Oregon sees that there is a BadHamlet in Massachusetts, adjacent to their old hometown / alma mater / vacation spot. Mapper reaches out to their old classmates / colleagues / neighbours to find one or more new mappers in / near that hamlet. 3) New mapper fixes the BadHamlet and starts mapping their favourite restaurants, bowling alleys and coffee shops. Benefits: We get new local, mappers, in areas that aren't getting as much attention as they might. Mappers have a fun reason to reach out to folks they might not have contacted recently.incorrect hamlet Mappers have the opportunity to do some fun outreach to potential new mappers for the first time. Results: The BadHamlets get fixed. Potential objections: "Outreach is too hard, a mechanical edit is way faster." "I don't like outreach, I want to use software tools." "That will take forever." ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Call for Venues Open; State of the Map 2016
The Call for Venues for State of the Map 2016 is now open. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2016/Call_for_venues Build a team for your city and bid to host the OpenStreetMap conference. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Mappy hour tomorrow!
On Mar 8, 2015 10:43 PM, "Martijn van Exel" wrote: > > Hey all, > > It's time for Mappy Hour tomorrow! I changed the time slot to 11am Pacific / 2pm Eastern, Thanks for organizing these, Martijn. They're fun. :-) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Your opinion about SOTM US
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > Hey all, [ ... ] > The main thing I would like to know more about is the types of > talks you would be interested in, or even specifically which people or > organizations you would want to see a talk from. Easy! Same as I always ask / hope for. :-) 1) I want to see deeply technical / specialized presentations specific to OpenStreetMap. Talks that wouldn't be suitable at non-OpenStreetMap conferences. So, talks on optimizing a rendering stack, a la SotM-EU. Or on tagging scheme alternatives, such as SotM-Girona. 2) Given the audience at DC, I'd say you'll need a beginners track. So many people I met there had no understanding of how to do a foot survey, and no understanding of why that is the most valuable and interesting data in the OpenStreetMap database. So, yeah. Some really fundamental basics. Why and how to survey. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM on Science Friday
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Mike Thompson wrote: > Is there a place in the Wiki where media pieces like this have been > cataloged? Here? http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_in_the_media ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Hartford CT mappers?
Yo! Who's there? Doing anything next weekend? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Tagging addresses on area's
That would depend on the navigation app in question, wouldn't it? If we mappers include more data, well structured, complete and up to date, app developers will be more inclined / motivated to make their apps work with it, I would think. I think, based on your email, that you and I are mapping malls in a similar fashion. Add the whole building with address, name, etc, then add nodes for each shop or other amenity. Include the unit number on the node if that is also available. This approach seems to work well with hotels (with internal restaurant) condo residences with ground floor retail, etc. Best regards and happy mapping, Richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] admin level for US states
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I wonder why US States are tagged as admin_level=4, wouldn't it be more > consistent with the rest of the map to have them tagged as level 3? Based on which uses of admin_level=3? A quick scan of the wiki shows admin_level=4 as states or provinces for several countries. I guess the biggest reason they are admin_level=4 now is, "that seemed like the way to go in 2009"[1], but that wouldn't prevent a change for a compelling reason. [1] wiki history of the admin_level page goes back to 2009, the tag use in USA could pre-date that. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Geo Week
From US Local Chapter Blog. Nov 13 2014 by Eleanor Tutt http://openstreetmap.us/2014/11/osm-geo-week/ Beginning this weekend, teachers, students, community groups and map lovers, in the US and around the world, will join together to celebrate geography and make maps with OpenStreetMap, the free and openly editable map of the world. OpenStreetMap Geography Awareness Week - a collaboration between OpenStreetMap US, National Geographic, MapGive, the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team, and Missing Maps - takes place November 16-22 (with a few early bird Mapathons November Saturday 15, because when you've got the urge to make a map, it's tough to wait an extra 24 hours!) This year's Geography Awareness Week theme is 'The Future of Food' and participants will be mapping everything from local food resources such as food banks and community gardens to farmlands and orchards in the countries affected by the recent Ebola virus outbreak. So how do you get involved? If you're in the Washington, DC area, make sure to come to the flagship OpenStreetMap mapping party on Friday, November 21st, hosted by National Geographic, and help put food resources on the map. Not near DC? No problem! You can find an event near you or you can plan your own event using the OpenStreetMap GeoWeek Event Planning Guide. There will be a lot going on next week, so check back at osmgeoweek.org frequently and follow all the happenings on twitter using the hashtag #osmgeoweek. If this month will be your first time contributing to OSM, welcome and happy mapping! And if are an experienced OSM contributor, remember that mapathons and events are a great way to get friends and neighbors involved in mapping. Invite new people, offer assistance as needed, and let's grow our community and our map at the same time. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] OSMF AGM election results
Hi all, Thank you to all of the candidates. Offering to spend your time and energy acting on behalf of the group is an act of generosity. The OpenStreetMap Foundation held the 2014 AGM yesterday including votes on several matters including the election to the board. The results are summarized on the wiki. Official results will be on the Foundation web site in future. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM14 I've added some background on STV (voting method) because it is the first time I have been involved in it. Learn along with me at my site http://weait.com in several recent articles and several more on the way. I hope that you have found some inspiration and motivation from the election cycle. if so, please act on that new energy and contribute to the project by: * mapping your neighbourhood. :-) * starting a regular local event for (new) mappers * writing and publishing some awesome code * writing and publishing some awesome documentation * joining a Foundation Working Group to act on behalf of groups of mappers None of these require standing for election or waiting for another election cycle to complete. Best regards and happy mapping, Richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a seasonally closed roads with uncertain spring opening
seems access=seasonal isn't in wide use but would be correct. At first glance, I'd prefer a tag that works to get the message out correctly all the time. So, access=seasonal or similar. That would work for a consumer who received the data when the road was open, but tried to navigate when the road was closed. an additional seasonal:access:link="http://dot.highway-pass-status.example/gate-7/"; would be super helpful, if such a service exists. http://taginfo.osm.org/search?q=access%3Dseasonal faking it, to get it to "render" on a particular map is not recommended. So, highway=construction, or similar, wouldn't apply. I imagine that other communities with mountain passes will have considered this, perhaps ask on talk@ and hope for a reply from a mapper in the Alps, etc. :-) Easy for me to say from my frying-pan-flat glacial-run-off plain. :-) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] SotM-us 2015
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Alex Barth wrote: > Richard - > > The bids were submitted private. As soon as the board will reconstitute > after the elections we'll take a decision on the next location for State of > the Map US. FWIW, I personally don't see a reason to not share the > submissions together with the board decision, but I'd love to get the > permission from the submitters and my board colleague's approval for this. Cool. Looking forward to it! ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] SotM-us 2015
I see that the call for venues for SotM-us 2015 closed two weeks ago, but I don't see any bids. Are the bids private? Was the call extended? Best regards and happy mapping, Richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fwd: SotM Buenos Aires Program published!
-- Forwarded message -- From: Richard Weait Date: Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:56 PM Subject: SotM Buenos Aires Program published! To: "osmf-t...@openstreetmap.org" Hello all, Have a look at the State of the Map Program for Buenos Aires, Argentina. And then get your tickets and book your flights! http://www.stateofthemap.org/program ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour tonight
Super. Thanks for doing these Martijn! ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Statistics of board candidate edits
Darrell, Paul did say that it was a rudimentary analysis. It is. It is just one lens through which one might view the candidates. Their candidacy statements are another lens. Your interaction with each candidate on lists, at conferences, and through social media is another (or another three) lens(es). Of course you are free to disagree with him. One might suggest that an experienced board member may have "forgotten what it is like to be a beginner" and thus would be less able to understand and address the challenges faced by new mappers. I agree with this statement to a point; not every experienced mapper is an effective coach for new mappers. Measuring and evaluating that hypothesis would be a challenge. :-) Darrell, you say that you "can’t think of a reason where number of edits made by a board member matters matters one iota". I believe that Paul addresses that directly in his statement, "When considering the qualifications of someone on the board which sets direction for the local chapter, it is certainly useful to their experience as an OSM contributor in the US." I also see the benefits of the supplemental skills list that you added in your email Darrell. I wouldn't argue against a candidate who brings useful supplemental skills, such as the ones you list. That said, it is my understanding that some of those tasks are already handled, in part, by other volunteers. If I remember correctly, the DC event organization team included several non-board members. Also, it is my understanding that the bulk of local events in the US are run by local volunteers. Both of those are true on the international scale when you look at OSMF, and the Working Groups. Paul, did you take alternate accounts into consideration, or only one uid per candidate? Best regards, Richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US Chapter board elections - time is running out!
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > Hi all, > > With just a few days to go, we only have two names on the ballot for > the upcoming US Chapter board elections. We have all five positions up > for election, so this is clearly not enough! It seems unusual that only one of five incumbents is running again. Have the other current board members stated that they aren't going to run for re-election? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US Chapter board elections - time is running out!
I presume that candidates would add themselves on the wiki, here? http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Elections/2014 I further presume that self-nomination is acceptable, as both candidates have done so. :-) DO consider adding yourself to the ballot. If you enjoy OpenStreetMap, you can enjoy contributing to a local chapter, or even the OSMF board. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-talk] SOTM in Buenos Aires: Call for Papers
Oops. Don't know how this got missed. CfP Buenos Aires closes soon. Get your talk proposals in. -- Forwarded message -- From: Frederik Ramm Date: Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 5:15 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] SOTM in Buenos Aires: Call for Papers To: Talk Openstreetmap Hi, I just noticed that this mailing list hasn't had an announcement for that so even if I'm not involved with the conference (*) here's a reminder that you have another 10 days, until September 14th, to submit presentations for this year's international State of the Map conference in Buenos Aires. Details are here: http://stateofthemap.org/CfP Spread the word! Bye Frederik (*) other than being a participant, that is! -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Lafayette LA mappers? address import?
Hello Mappers, Do we have active mappers (with an interest) in / near Lafayette, LA?[1] How do you feel about address data for that area? Would you participate in improving that data? Would you like to lead that effort? More details, and all follow-ups please, to imports@ and imports-us@. I've been given ~100k address points for Lafayette LA, along with license permission for inclusion in OpenStreetMap under CT/ODbL and future licenses. The publisher requires a "don't blame us" waiver that we may include in the wiki. :-) A quick scan of the central area of Lafayette shows approximately 14 addresses that include addr:housenumber=*. A very quick preliminary scan of the data reveals: - addresses are ALL CAPS and need expansion of RD, ST, ETC. - addresses are points and appear to be approximate building centers. There are exceptions. There are address points on what might be a "main" portion of a building. - there is at least one address point on the pitcher's mound of a ball diamond, and not on the club house building. - address points seem sensible based on existing road rendering and aerial imagery, for the area I looked at. So, if you are interested (and especially if you have local knowledge), please follow and participate on imports@ and imports-us@. Best regards and happy mapping, Richard [1] I'll ping those that I see in the user map as well. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Foundation Corporate Membership
Since February 2014 your company can support OpenStreetMap Foundation with a corporate membership. The first corporate members were announced today. https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/07/20/welcome-corporate-members/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Beach routing
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Elliott Plack wrote: > OSM US: > > I've been using some routing engines to map fitness routes (e.g. Strava) > that use OSM data. Along our US coasts, there are beaches. The beaches I'm > familiar with are popular with walkers and joggers to go up and down the > shore, since access is generally open to anyone along the water's edge. I'm > considering adding a `highway=path` along the beach to facilitate this. I'd > add the connections to the walking paths between parking lots and the beach > as well. > > For uninterrupted strips of sandy beach, would a path be appropriate to > indicate walkability? Adding a single arbitrary path where an area exists seems a bit of a hack. I recognize that part of the problem that you are trying to address is that routers aren't routing across areas. And that is surely a difficult problem to solve. Is the creation of arbitrary fake-paths a worse problem than not being able to route with specific routing software? Perhaps. A similar situation exists in (micro-)mapping golf courses. Some courses have cart paths with discontinuities. Often those discontinuities direct you to drive the cart (or walk, I'm not "judging" here) on the fairway, until the next section of physical cart path begins. In that situation, I only map the real path, not the virtual path. The another similarity is that users will select different paths for different reasons. Beach walkers may divert towards interesting items on the beach, or away from waves, washouts or debris. Golf players will be guided by course rules, weather rules and the location of their ball. The golf player is probably more likely to complete a predictable circuit. Beach walkers might follow an "out and back" of entirely arbitrary length. Using a router to select a, let's say, 5km stroll, out and back on a beach, seems of limited utility. I suggest, "no path on the beach". Map a boardwalk where one exists, by all means. And adding those access ramps / paths is awesome. ;-) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-talk] NOTICE: Upcoming Maintenance - Some services will be down
see attached notice of scheduled maintenance. Thank you, sysadmins, for your endless efforts on our behalf. -- Forwarded message -- From: Grant Slater Date: Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 12:22 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] NOTICE: Upcoming Maintenance - Some services will be down To: annou...@openstreetmap.org, Talk Openstreetmap , OSM Dev List On Saturday 5th of July 2014 between 09:00 and 19:00 (GMT / UTC) we are moving our servers hosted by University College London to another data center. The following services WILL be affected: * Search (nominatim.openstreetmap.org) will be unavailable. [1] * Slower map updates / Reduced tile rendering capacity. (Yevaud outage) * OSM Foundation websites and blog.openstreetmap.org will be unavailable. * Taginfo (taginfo.openstreetmap.org) will be unavailable. * Development Server (errol) will be unavailable. * Some imagery services will be unavailable. (GPX Render, OS Streetview, OOC, AGRI, CD:NGI aerial) Other OpenStreetMap provided services should not be affected - all of the following are expected to function normally: * www.openstreetmap.org web site WILL allow edits as per normal (iD or Potlatch). * API will allow map editing (using iD, JOSM, Merkaartor etc.) * Forum * trac (bug-tracker) * help.openstreetmap.org * tile serving ("View The Map" & "Export") * Wiki * mailing lists * subversion and git (source code repositories) * donate.openstreetmap.org Technical: We are moving all the servers listed here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Servers#UCL_-_In_Use to a new UCL data center. The current building is being closed soon for refurbishment. The new data center has better server racks, power feeds, cooling and faster networking. [1] Searches through the website will still work - we will redirect them to another nominatim instance temporarily. Sincerely Grant Slater On behalf of the OpenStreetMap sysadmin team. ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ODBL for Spatial Analysis
On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 11:40 AM, William Morris wrote: > Please let me know if I should direct this at a different list, but I > have a basic question about the implications of the ODBL: > > OSM is brimming with great POIs and network features; I'd like to use > some of these categories to answer broad questions like "How far is > this customer from the nearest park/school/whatever"? Unfortunately, > I'm not precisely sure of my legal obligation once I've answered that > question. Specifically, would I be required to contribute the location > of the customer back to OSM? If not, does that still hold when I > upscale it to millions of customers? > > Thanks for the assistance, in any case. I know this is a somewhat > contentious issue for the community, and I'd rather not make any > assumptions. ODbL isn't contentious among OpenStreetMap contributors at all. We've all agreed to ODbL as a matter of course, in getting our contributor accounts. Sounds like you've been mislead by somebody with a bone to pick. Ignore them. :-) The right mailing list for license-realted questions or discussions is legal-talk@[1] On the face of your question, I would be surprised if OpenStreetMap would want to know the current location of an individual. That seems to fly in the face of the respect for individual privacy that OpenStreetMap demonstrates. I've presumed that your customer is a person, as they go about their day. That presumption could be way off base. It could go the other way, I suppose. If your customer is a business or POI that isn't included in OpenStreetMap, well then, yes OpenStreetMap would like that data. But again, you should have this discussion on legal-talk@. [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Standard (mapnik) toolchain/processes: can we teach these better?
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 2:24 PM, stevea wrote: > I appreciate Simon's response that it seems that the "really coolish" > (people, processes...) happen in what often seems like a bubble: that is > exactly what I was referring to. It's like the Cool Kids have their > "insider club," a world of their own, THEN there are The Rest of Us. [ ... ] Pssst. Hey, You. You over there feeling left out. Want to know the secret to joining the cool kids? The secret is, "you're already a cool kid." Disappointed? Don't be. You're already one of a small percentage of the world population who knows how to improve their local geo data and share it through OpenStreetMap. Think that isn't a select group? Think again. Only 30 - 50% of those who think they might like to contribute by signing up, actually contribute their first changeset. Only a few thousand people per day contribute, out of a planet of 7 billions. Pretty cool. Want to be even cooler? Become a coder of some sort. Contribute code to one or more OpenStreetMap-related software projects. You think mappers are a select group? They are. Now let's count coders who contribute on a daily basis. It isn't a few thousand per day. More like a few dozen[1]. And those are divided among dozens of projects. So pick a project that interests you; any one you like. Rendering, storage, UI, translations, accessibility, web site, QA, anything at all in the huge and varied OpenStreetMap tool chain and contribute. - find a long outstanding bug and check to see if it is (still) reproducible. - write some documentation for a beginner. - improve performance. - test a patch on different hardware. - triage a new bug. - compare some similar applications and write a review. Or even pick a project that you think needs to do more outreach, and help it do that outreach. Follow their project communication channels, and translate their bug reports, feature requests and design discussions into something suitable for a wider audience, then publish it to the appropriate wider comms channels. Learn more about what interests you. Share what you learn with others. An OpenStreetMap tag line from some of the early mapping party banners read, OpenStreetMap.org It's fun. It's free. You can help. [1] /me waves hands to distract from wild guess number. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Highly suspicious edit
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 5:59 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > I see no good reason to have a username "Delete Mine And I Delete > Yours". I think it goes against the spirit of OSM as being overly > confrontational on its face. Ah, but one might say the same about posting such a suspicious account to a list, rather than approaching the mapper directly and privately. And one might also say that same about calling for an instant life time ban without a hearing or appeal. Both of those appear to be confrontational and perhaps emotional snap decisions. We can give this a bit of time for everybody involved to chill out a bit. and a reminder from an earlier post, "When you find a suspicious edit, try to be part of the solution, rather than merely a reporting system. :-)" You'll find the full text in the archives. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2013-November/012171.html ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Hi!
Welcome Hans, When I'm unsure how to map something, I follow a process something like this, to find out how other mappers have approached it. Wikipedia might be a good place to find a common name for a particular feature like chicane. If you don't know that it's called a chicane, of that it is for "traffic calming", things are a bit harder. >From there, I'd look for existing instances of "chicane" in the database. Taginfo is great for this. Visit http://taginfo.osm.org and enter chicane in the search box. Then select the values tab. Or use this link. http://taginfo.osm.org/search?q=chicane#values from there, we can see that more than 5000 traffic_calming=chicane objects exist in the current database, and variants are much less frequent. Selecting "chicane" from the traffic_calming line in the table, then the "wiki" ta, exposes the link to the wiki page for this element http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Atraffic_calming%3Dchicane And that rather confirms that you have found what you are looking for. And all in the context of what other mappers are already using, so we can avoid duplicating effort by 'creating' a new tagging standard. Best regards, Richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] State of the Map US videos now available
On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi Bonnie, > > On 04/15/2014 07:24 PM, Bonnie Bogle wrote: >> Videos of every session from this weekend's State of the Map US >> conference are online and available to watch from >> http://stateofthemap.us/schedule/. The recordings also show slides from >> the presentation. > > I noticed that some of the videos include the Q&A session at the end of > the talk, and some don't. I would be especially interested in the Q&A > session at the end of Alex's "More Open" talk, which does not seem to be > available currently. Is this fixable, or has the recording been lost? Still no news on this Bonnie? Will the audience comments from Alex's talk be available. You'll recall that several of them offered immediate corrections to the factual errors that Alex presented. Or has that original recording been lost? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Local groups on the map!
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > Hi all, > > I mentioned this in another thread but it may have gotten buried. > > Have you ever wanted to see all local OSM groups on a map? If you're > anything like me, you have! Yes. Yes I have wanted to see local OSM groups on a map. :-) 1) Could you use the existing usergroups wiki templates to populate your map as well? It would be fabulous to have this implementation be an extension and improvement to the existing usergroups.openstreetmap.de map, rather than a separate implementation with different tools. Why? Your argument that the wiki templates are too difficult for some local organizers has merit. A local organizer who wishes to be on the group maps (two of them, now) still needs to know how to use the wiki template, and now needs to know the json / pull request process to be included in your map as well. The requirement to maintain the same data in two places does not seem like an improvement for that local organizer. :-) 2) Consider dropping polygons and using points only. I suggest that the points be the location of the meeting place, only. That is likely the most important location information for the potential attendee who is using this map. Why drop polygons? No argument that the polygons are cool; I'm with you there. It is unclear to me what the polygons are supposed to indicate. For argument sake I'll suggest a couple of non-helpful meanings for the polygons. a) A polygon indicates an area of exclusivity, and no other OSM groups are permitted within the area without the permission of the existing official group. b) A polygon indicated the catchment area, and no person with an interest in OpenStreetMap may attend a local group if they are outside of the catchment area. c) Our polygon is bigger than your polygon because our group is more-official than your group. Interested persons should attend groups that have the largest polygon. I suggest that the coolness in favour of the polygons is outweighed by the potential negative interpretations of why the polygons are there. Best regards, Richard P.S. And you should start a local group. It's fun. You can do it. It's a benefit to the OpenStreetMap community within your community. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Roads closed for maintenance/construction
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Saikrishna Arcot wrote: > Hi all, > > Is there a specific tag for roads that have already been constructed, but are > closed either for maintenance or construction of something else? [ ... ] > I'm currently using highway=contruction and construction=tertiary (the road > in question is a tertiary road). That's how I have tagged similar closings. Since you are local, keep an eye on it and re-open it when the work is done, too. :-) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fwd: OSM Poland POI contest
Contest aimed at on-the-ground-survey-mappers. This contest is being run by OpenStreetMap contributors in Poland. Mappy Mapping. -- Forwarded message -- From: nomycna Gazeta.pl Date: Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:45 AM Subject: OSM Poland POI contest I am happy to announce that OpenStreetMap Poland (Polish organization promoting OSM) is organizing contest about enriching OSM data with POI information. Each OpenStreetMap user over age of 13 can take part in it. To win the contest, one has to be a person who adds the most of items with one of keys: amenity, leisure, tourism, sport and historic during the month of May. Added points' data has to be based on local knowledge (no mapping form behind a desk). The prizes are Garmin GPS navigators (first place: Garmin eTrex 30, second: Garmin eTrex 20, third: Garmin eTrex 10). More information about the contest (currently only in Polish) can be found at http://osmapa.pl/konkurs/, detailed rules (also in Polish) are located at https://docs.google.com/document/d/17kVTGb-Yjei8GIzIsaHxLdTpBEbwU3GYZo7U2EBpJ6Q/edit?usp=sharing. Please pass the information about the contest. If you have any questions you can ask question at talk...@openstreetmap.org . Good luck! -- Nomycna ___ Talk-de mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM Inspector and streets with E/N/S/W in their name
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > [ ... ] > I wonder: Is OSMI correct in flagging this for correction, or is this > something that nobody really cares about and that should not be > highlighted? I.e. should we, in OSMI, drop the E/N/S/W prefix of street > names before trying to find a match? Oh, nice! And, if you have thoughts on this, please indicate the area for which your feedback applies. There may be regional differences. Thanks again to Geotab for sponsoring the expansion of the address inspector to global coverage. And to Geofabrik for creating it in the first place! ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] weekly metro extracts
Thank you for picking these up, Randy. One of the common newcomer questions on the various channels is some variant of "how do I work with some portion of the OpenStreetMap data set?" I'm sure that we'll be pointing folks to these as well as the extracts from Geofabrik. It's also nice to see you giving credit to the earlier version of metro extracts by Mike Migurski. Not everybody plays fair by giving credit. It's nice that you do. Best regards and happy mapping, Richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Burning Man old data, publicity opportunity
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Brad Neuhauser wrote: > You might want to check out this thread from last year: > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2013-August/011641.html > > Cheers, Brad > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:16 PM, robmorgan78 wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, I am doing a project in my GIS class that involves working >> with a shape file and exporting to a KML file. I have been going to >> Burning >> Man for the past few years now and thought it would be interesting to work >> with data from BM. I stumbled across this discussion and now instead of >> one >> question I have two... >> >> First question, does anyone know where I can get shapefile data from past >> Burning Man events? >> >> My second question is, I am going to Burning Man this year (2014) and >> would >> be very interested in helping OSM with data collection. Who and what would >> I >> need to do to get involved in helping OSM with data collection at Burning >> Man 2014? Hi Robert, Take Brad's advice and have a look at the earlier part of this thread. We, OpenStreetMap contributors, love to have enthusiastic newcomers join the project. Your particular interest does intersect with some issues that you should be aware of. Firstly, OpenStreetMap is primarily for geographic information that is permanent, verifiable and significant. Some might find the temporary town for BM as not-permanent-enough. Others will disagree. :-) Secondly, OpenStreetMap data is supposed to be current, rather than historical. There is a separate mailing list for those with an interest in OpenStreetMap and historical objects. The two older version of BM map are an exception in OpenStreetMap data, and sometimes lead to confusion on that matter. Thirdly, acquiring a shape file to put some externally curated data into OpenStreetMap is what we commonly refer to as an import. There have been many past imports with poor results, even from experienced, well intentioned contributors. So all prospective imports must follow guidelines carefully, and with detailed community participation. Now, I hope that the above information does not put you off OpenStreetMap. I'm not sure what the timing is for BM this year and if you'll have time to properly consult on an import. Regarding a source of shapefile data, you can find shape files of various portions of the OpenStreetMap data set at the Geofabrik downloads server. http://download.geofabrik.de/north-america.html If you were to chose the Nevada file, you might be able to get the historic BM data from there. If you want to make the current burning man map data useful for attendees this year, you might consider converting it, alone, without any integration with OpenStreetMap data. if you were to convert it for use on handheld GPSes, or pre-render it into tiles for a browser, you could offer that as a download for other users before they head to the desert. You might also have copies on SD card, or USB for them you copy from you once you are on-site. Have a great time. Best regards anf happy mapping, Richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] SotM-EU Karlsruhe Schedule is up
The schedule for SotM-Eu is up and looks wonderful. You have to go to this event! http://sotm-eu.org/en/program This will be a brilliant collection of talks that benefit OpenStreetMap and OpenStreetMap contributors. Don't miss it. The hallway conversations are going to be off the chart! ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Thank you all!
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > Hi all, > > I want to thank all of you who were able to make it to DC this past weekend > for coming to SOTM US. I had a great time and that was in no small part > because I was able to get together with some of the folks here on this list. I'd like to echo Martijn. .MARTIJN. .Martijn. .martijn. Martijn is a fine example of the type of person who made my trip to DC so enjoyable. I had a great time establishing and renewing friendships with other mappers. It was super to put some faces to the names, email addresses and 'handles' of some of the folks on this list. Thanks again, Martijn, and those of you who's ears I bent. :-) Thanks, too, to the event volunteers. If there were any organizational problems at the event, I wasn't aware of them. The schedule was mostly on time, without appearing too rigid or too regimented. Plenty of hot beverages were available in the hallway throughout the event. In addition to enjoying technical presentations and chatting during the breaks, I had the opportunity to speak to many people who were new enough to OpenStreetMap that they hadn't yet improved the data in their neighbourhood. I think this deserves a call to action. So here I go. I'd like to see more direct advocacy to become a regular mapper of your neighbourhood at events like this in future. That neighbourhood mapper / maintainer is an ideal primary goal for OpenStreetMap. I suggest that any city or state that can boast of "A Mapper on Every Block" is a city or state that is perfectly mapped and always up to date. We aren't there yet and so we'd best work harder at it. It was great to see the tutorial for new mappers during the morning of day one. The room was packed to over capacity when I peeked in. Surely offering that same tutorial morning and afternoon of each day would have provided opportunity to convert more of those potential mappers into mappers. It is a missed opportunity to send some potential mappers home without some coaching after they have travelled to a conference to learn more about OpenStreetMap. One of the goals of this event appears to have been to reach out to those who are merely consumers of OpenStreetMap data, based on the number of people there who were consuming OpenStreetMap data but had never edited to improve it. Surely a primary goal of an advocacy group that seeks to benefit OpenStreetMap must be to turn those consumers into contributors? By turning a consumer into a contributor, the data benefits from their local knowledge and thus we all benefit from improved data. I suggest that turning a consumer into contributor also makes that consumer into a better educated consumer. Surely data consumers are better able to understand and appreciate the OpenStreetMap data that they consume once they participate in and understand the methods to collect and contribute that data. A better-informed consumer is surely slightly better for OpenStreetMap. If that consumer also becomes a contributor it is clearly better for OpenStreetMap. So that's my call to action. Let's aim to allow every attendee to edit OpenStreetMap if they haven't done so previously. It would be wonderful to see a much higher percentage of technical talks and a higher percentage of community focused talks. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM Inspector has world-wide address view
Address inspector tool now spans the globe! See Frederik's announcement -- Forwarded message -- From: Frederik Ramm Date: Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 4:38 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM Inspector has world-wide address view To: Talk Openstreetmap Hi, the OSMI "addresses" view is now available world-wide (it just had Europe before). The code that runs the analyses behind it is based on the new Osmium library and is available on Github. The new view is available now on OSMI (http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi). This blog entry has more details: http://blog.geofabrik.de/?p=309 I wish to thank Geotab Inc. who are sponsoring the server that runs the analyses, as well as Lukas Toggenburger, who re-implemented the checks in C++ so that everything is fast enough for world-wide processing (we had been using an SQL based process before). Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] "fleet manager" speed limit import proposal (Canada, USA)
Outline: A proposal for improvement of the maxspeed tag by including posted speed limit data from managers of vehicle fleets. Status: Initial consultation and discussion Introduction: I have a source for posted speed limit data. This thread begins the discussion of the data, the origin and quality of the data, and the suitability of the data to OpenStreetMap. If the data is found to meet the requirements for inclusion in OpenStreetMap, it is expected that the discussion will continue and determine the best method(s) for including that data. The extent of the data is Canada and USA. If you are reading this email on talk-us or talk-ca, and you are deeply interested in the preliminary details, please join imports@ and reply there. Updates: There will be future email to the local lists after initial consultation on imports@, if this project is found to meet OpenStreetMap requirements. Best Regards and Happy Mapping, Richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] State ref tags on ways
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Russ Nelson wrote: > Richard Weait writes: > > - the concurrency of US1 and US 9, where ref=1-9 isn't numeric, but is > > right. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_1/9 > > Interestingly Google Maps, when pronouncing directions, calls that US > One To Nine. "Well, I'll just choose any one of those then." :-) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] State ref tags on ways
"* the ref= on relations only contains the number. Any data consumer composes the full route shield / name from the network and the ref tags." Almost. :-) ref= contains the specific identifier of the route. where I-35 splits into I-35E and I-35W (in two different states!) the ref= should be 35E or 35W This is one of those edge cases that we love so much in the road system. I've been thinking of it this way. "Network describes the shield. Ref describes the printing on the shield." Now, that ain't right and that is too close to tagging for the renderer, but it's how I keep it clear in my mind. And it's how I got my first shield renderer to work as well as it did.* It was also designed to degrade well. A renderer like the old style lozenge markers would at least get the text right by putting ref= in the lozenge. Similar edge cases exist in US routes and State routes, - the concurrency of US1 and US 9, where ref=1-9 isn't numeric, but is right. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_1/9 - New York State Route 3A where ref=3A and other alphanumeric routes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_State_Route_3A I'm inclined to extend network to include banners, but worry that the ordering of alt, business, truck, loop, spur, whatever, is not obvious. And where do banners like Future fit in with those? I'd hope that we can make sense of the banners in a way that mappers don't need a PhD. in tagging to improve their local data. network:banner= perhaps? Or binary flags network:banner:alt=yes network:banner:truck=yes ? * which was 'as well as it worked, for some value of well' ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] mappy hour tonight, 8:30pm eastern time
On Mar 24, 2014 6:52 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > > a reminder, i'm running a faux mappy hour on google plus > tonight at 8:30pm et. > > hopefully i figured everything out last time and this time > the startup will be relatively painless. Dude! There's nothing 'faux' about it. No need to put yourself or your virtual event down. You're doing something and that's great. :-) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Why we really don't get new users
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:17 PM, wrote: > > I'm going to just point out the elephant in the room here. I don't think any > normal user cares about the license at all. I think the actual reason its hard > to get new mappers, especially those that are not nerdy and obsessive like > myself is that *the ontology sucks*. There, I said it, so you don't have to. I think that you are combining two separate issues. Perhaps there is no causation from sucky ontology to "hard to get new mappers". On the matter of getting new mappers. Perhaps we'll just won't be satisfied until everybody on the planet is also an OpenStreetMap contributor. That would be awesome. I've written about mapper motivation and outreach before. I'll leave that one alone for now. You aren't the first to suggest that "the ontology sucks". There have been previous similar declarations. I recall a presentation at State of the Map 2010 in Girona, Spain. Have a look at the slides and video by David Earl and see if things have changed at all. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/SotM_2010_session:_Tag_Central:_a_Schema_for_OSM ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Simon Poole wrote: > And while I haven't updated my charts yet this year, I have already produced > numbers for January and February 2014. January showed the largest increase > in contributors in a month to date in the history of OSM and the second > largest total number of monthly active contributors. Not exactly indicating > that we have an issue. I'm sure that we will find that the big jump in contributions in January is due to the wonderful article(s)[1] that Serge Wroclawski wrote. Serge spoke of the importance of contributing data to OpenStreetMap. Serge is to be congratulated on very well executed advocacy for the benefit of the OpenStreetMap project. [1] http://blog.emacsen.net/blog/2014/01/04/why-the-world-needs-openstreetmap/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Isn't All That Open, Let's Change That and Drop Share-Alike
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Alex Barth wrote: > Hello everyone - > > I've been sitting on writing about the detrimental effects of > OpenStreetMap's share-alike license (ODbL) for a while and finally decided > to, um, share. I've been listening long to many OpenStreetMappers I respect > a ton telling me it's not so bad and it's just what we're stuck with right > now. OpenStreetMap is not "stuck" with ODbL, the OpenStreetMap community selected it. The OpenStreetMap community even helped to craft ODbL, with the Open Knowledge Foundation and OpenDataCommons.org, by participating in the discussions that went into drafting ODbL. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] US State Department is seeking an OpenStreetMap expert
to hire as a Presidential Innovation Fellow. Details in the link. http://www.whitehouse.gov//innovationfellows/projects#section-259876 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-talk] SOTM-EU 2014 visitor registration now open
If you have been considering attending an OpenStreetMap conference, and you can't get to State of the Map in Argentina this November, consider SotM-EU in Germany, in June. Previous SotM-EU were wonderful. Well worth the trip. -- Forwarded message -- From: Frederik Ramm Date: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:47 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] SOTM-EU 2014 visitor registration now open To: Talk Openstreetmap Hi, you can now register for the SOTM-EU 2014 in June in Karsruhe, at http://www.sotm-eu.org/. "Early Bird" tickets are EUR 55. Also, a number of rooms have been reserved in nearby hotels and can be booked from now on; a list of hotels is also up on the web site. Bye Frederik ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] OpenStreetMap enhances user privacy
http://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/02/11/osm-enhances-user-privacy/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups
On Jan 22, 2014 11:10 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 4:59 AM, Richard Weait wrote: >> >> The publicity aspect of Meetup really gets people to your events. Though i wonder if these people are the long term contributors to OSM that we want. > > Meta. I apologize for bad quoting in an earlier message. The words above attributed to me were actually typed by Brian. Sorry about that. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups
On Jan 22, 2014 12:09 AM, Brian DeRocher wrote: ... The publicity aspect of Meetup really gets people to your events. Though i wonder if these people are the long term contributors to OSM that we want. You control that in part with the way that you write your event announcement. If we can write an announcement that inspires potential long term, foot surveying, conscientious appears, then that is who will show up. If we write an event announcement that says, "you are expected to map remotely in a sweatshop environment for endless hours" then that appeals to an entirely different audience. :-) Sadly,I haven't I discovered a perfect script for an event announcement to get only our target audience, and those in huge numbers. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Any foursquare/OSM editing update? How about Craigslist?
Thanks for providing a peek at the inside of MQ, Randy. :-) Minh, nice to know that 4S lead to a couple of mappers in your area. Are they continuing to map? Any indication that they are surveying, or are they restricting themselves to armchair mapping? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups
http://usergroups.openstreetmap.de/ add your group to the wiki with the structured elements , and a bot will add your group to the map. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > Hey folks, > > Our first Mappy Hour of 2014 is tonight at 5:30 PST / 8:30 EST. > > The Event link on Google+ is > https://plus.google.com/events/csqquhngh6k52ctdkrftk3noic4 > > Let us know if there's anything in particular you want to talk about. > > I would very much like to spend a little time talking about > http://maproulette.org/relationpages/ and perhaps also about the state > of U.S. route relations in general. > > I hope to see you all tonight! Sounds Super Fun Martijn! Do you have a scheduled "closing time"? (I'm at Toronto Mappy Hour when you start.) I hope that other Mappy Hour organizers, especially for in-person events, will post their announcements to this list. I enjoy meeting other mappers when I travel. Travelling mappers are always welcome to drop in on Toronto Mappy Hour to meet the gang, when they are in Toronto. We have also had special events for visiting mappers who pass through on not-regularly-scheduled-Mappy-Hour-days. So let us know in advance if you are coming this way. Feel free to mock our cocaine-using Mayor, if he hasn't been imprisoned before your visit. Meeting other mappers in person is fun and a great way to learn and share. I encourage you to attend your local mapper events, and to organize them if you haven't been beaten to the punch. :-) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fwd: State of the Map 2014 - Buenos Aires - 07-09 November 2014
Announced today, State of the Map 2014 will be in Buenos Aires. Be there or be square. :-) http://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/01/12/buenos-aires-hosts-sotm14/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fwd: State of the Map 2014 - Buenos Aires - 07-09 November 2014
-- Forwarded message -- From: Richard Weait Date: Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 6:49 PM Subject: State of the Map 2014 - Buenos Aires - 07-09 November 2014 To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Announced today, State of the Map 2014 will be in Buenos Aires. Be there or be square. :-) http://blog.openstreetmap.org/2014/01/12/buenos-aires-hosts-sotm14/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Mappy New Year
Hi All, I hope that you are off to a great start on your mapping activities for 2014. OpenStreetMap is certainly off to a great start. User emacsen wrote a compelling article today that drove a significant number of new mappers to OpenStreetMap. That's some great advocacy, right there. The article is really aimed at folks who are not yet mappers, so not really the same audience of these lists, as we're already mappers. but you might enjoy the article anyway. Have a look. http://blog.emacsen.net/blog/2014/01/04/why-the-world-needs-openstreetmap/ In 2014 we will see the 10 anniversary / birthday of OpenStreetMap. What are you going to do to celebrate? We (the local mappers in Toronto) will host another OpenStreetMap Mapiversary party, details to be determined, how about your local group? On that subject, is this the year that you'll start a local mapping group in your town? I've never understood why it is that the German community has groups of mappers that meet each month, in just about every city, town and village of size, while in North America those groups are very rare. It could be that the difference is you. You can start a successful, self-sustaining local group that meets each month to discuss OpenStreetMap. So you should do that. It's great fun. Part of our fun in Toronto in 2013 included, the 9th birthday party, including a map cake. Twelve regularly scheduled Mappy Hour events, two formal presentation events, three special guest events to celebrate august mappers visiting from other places. (and a little bit of a flood, but we soldiered on anyway.) What about this thread? Tell me, what your plans are for 2014? and have a Mappy New Year, Richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] a reminder for armchair mappers
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > if you see a discrepancy between aerial imagery and OSM, before you > go adding/changing stuff, check on the history of the stuff that's there > and see if another mapper has worked on things recently (for some > value of recently.) [ ... ] > imagery goes out of date. armchair mappers must never forget > that. if the imagery doesn't match the map, contact a local mapper > if you can identify one. you could be fixing something that wasn't > actually broken. Indeed. New construction vs. old imagery isn't the only problem here. New, enthusiastic mappers are great; they are why the project keeps growing. Technology is not the complete answer. We might implement something new that coordinates with some sub-set of editor software, but we have to educate the mappers as part of the solution. We have to or we are dead. Untempered enthusiasm is a runaway train. It's low grade heat rather than directed energy. It's inefficient and harmful to surrounding systems. Every One Of Our Resources Is Lying To Us. We mappers have to learn which resources lie to us and in which ways. Then we can map with all of the resources at our disposal and a heaped serving of experience. We have to get armchair mappers to do actual foot surveys as part of their education. The context gained by mapping and remapping your neighbourhood cannot be overstated. As a new, armchair mapper, you cannot appreciate the whoppers that aerial imagery might lead you to publish until you catch yourself making a bone-headed error at home. And you can't catch yourself making that error thousands of miles from home. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-talk] SotM-EU 2014 in Karlsruhe, Germany
Dear All, Make your plans to attend SotM-EU, in Karlsruhe, Germany, in June 2014. -- Forwarded message -- From: Frederik Ramm Date: Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:33 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] SotM-EU 2014 in Karlsruhe, Germany To: Talk Openstreetmap , "d...@openstreetmap.org" Hi, today I have the pleasure to announce that we'll be holding SotM-EU 2014 in Karlsruhe, on 13-15 June. We've set up the web page at www.sotm-eu.org and we'll be posting news there and on @sotmeu on Twitter. We'll be trying to emulate the success of the 2011 Vienna conference, bringing together everyone who does anything interesting in & with OpenStreetMap in Europe. The call for papers will be out soon, with registration to open early 2014. We already have a good international programme committee preparing that but if you'd like to join the programme committee or otherwise help organising the conference (or aspects of it), don't be shy and write to i...@sotm-eu.org. Same if you have any ideas that you'd like the organisers to consider. We'll be distributing this announcement to the dev and talk lists as well as to talk-fr and talk-de. If you are on one of the other regional European lists, we would be grateful if you could forward the announcement. I'm looking forward to seeing you in Karlsruhe next year! Bye Frederik PS: "we" = "the local Karlsruhe team & everyone involved" -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-dev] NOTICE: Upcoming Maintenance / Downtime
just in case you aren't following announce, dev or talk. -- Forwarded message -- From: Grant Slater Date: Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 6:34 AM Subject: [OSM-dev] NOTICE: Upcoming Maintenance / Downtime To: annou...@openstreetmap.org, Talk Openstreetmap , OSM Dev List On Wednesday 27th of November 2013 between 17:30 and 22:00 (GMT / UTC) the primary database server will be unavailable due to maintenance. I apologise for the short notice. The following services WILL be affected: * www.openstreetmap.org web site WILL NOT allow edits (iD or Potlatch). [1] * API will NOT allow map editing (using iD, JOSM, Merkaartor etc.), but will remain available as read-only. [2] Other OpenStreetMap provided services should not be affected - all of the following are expected to function normally: * Forum * trac (bug-tracker) * help.openstreetmap.org * tile serving ("View The Map" & "Export") * Wiki * Nominatim (search) * mailing lists * subversion and git (source code repositories) * donate.openstreetmap.org Technical: Database servers ramoth & katla hardware maintenance. Upgrade of web frontends spike-01, spike-02 & spike-03 with HP DL360 G6 (Xeon 56xx) hardware. 1: Maps will still be viewable on the openstreetmap.org homepage and on other people's websites. 2: The sysadmin team will try as far as possible to keep the API available in read-only mode, but the API may be briefly unavailable. Sincerely Grant Slater On behalf of the OpenStreetMap sysadmin team. ___ dev mailing list d...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] take responsibility, not control.
When you find a suspicious edit, try to be part of the solution, rather than merely a reporting system. :-) If you are experienced enough, attempt to determine which account introduced the suspicious data. Contact that account through the user mail system. Presume good faith; they may well be a new and enthusiastic mapper with an incomplete understanding of OpenStreetMap. They might also be more experienced than you are and be making some form of advanced edit with which you are unfamiliar. Your goal is to make contact with the mapper in question, and find out what they intended with their edit. Ideally, either they will learn something and become a better mapper, or you will. :-) If you aren't experienced enough to do this on your own, contact a more-experienced mapper who you trust for their judgement and ask for their assistance. Follow along so that you can proceed with less help next time. If you aren't able to get a satisfactory response within a reasonable time, say a week or two, consider asking other mappers for their opinion on the edits. Are they really a problem, or simply rare or idiosyncratic? Consider as a group if the data should stay or not. Please note that a "satisfactory response" is not restricted to another mapper agreeing with you. :-) Repair or revert data that is incorrect. Get help from a more-experienced mapper if you haven't done this before. All of this should happen before you consider reaching out to the Data Working Group. The DWG and the OpenStreetMap sysadmins, do have additional tools for dealing with spammers, vandals and persistent, umm, "whackos". But these tools are rather heavy and blunt instruments. The DWG wield these tools with exquisite finesse and with surgical precision but you can help a great deal by solving problems before they require intervention from DWG. Reserve the DWG for those things that you can not reasonably do for yourself. You can make the initial contact and do the basic research. Please do. Take responsibility for improving the map (we all do), but also take responsibility for improving the mappers. Temper this by understanding that the mapper who you improve may well be yourself. And that's just fine, too. :-) Best Regards and Happy Mapping, Richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Baltimore County GIS Data is now public domain
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Elliott Plack wrote: > Greetings OpenStreetMappers, > > I am very excited to announce that my organization, Baltimore County > Government Office of Information Technology is releasing our GIS data to the > public in a free and nonrestrictive way! Wonderful news! I'm thrilled to hear that you intend to make the Data of The People, By The People and For The People, available to The People. :-) Your use of "public domain" in the subject is potentially confusing, since there is no reliable method for you to declare that the data is in the public domain. Please see the wiki article linked. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain#Government_works It would be wonderful if you would choose and attach the following license(s) to the data, and your web site on which they are published. ODC PDDL (preferred, because it is specific to data), CC-Zero. Casual references to "making the data public domain" are common, and are probably clouding the matter even further. :( Sorry to play the license-pedant-card and harsh your mellow. You are clearly trying to do the right thing. So many other places / institutions make the same casual references to "making the data public domain" that it is no surprise that you got caught by it. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Is FIXME still a good practice?
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Alex Barth wrote: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Mark_estimations_with_FIXME > Depends on the nature of the estimation. One could also leave a note="estimated building position from ground survey with poor GPS reception" or a changeset comment, etc. I guess FIXME shows up in some QA tools, so that's nice, but for some things using a FIXME is a bit "shout-y". :-) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Shields are up!
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Toby Murray wrote: > We finally managed to get Phil's highway shield rendering up on the OSM-US > server today! Fan. Tas. Tic. Bravo. Seeing the multi-plex signs is awesome and miles ahead of anything done anywhere else. http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html#12/39.7195/-86.1093 Thank you, Phil, Toby, Ian, et al. it is wonderful to see this running after years of hacks and hopes. Seeing this come to life is like falling in love all over again. :-) Best regards, Richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Ninth OpenStreetMap birthday: Toronto
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > Dear all, > > A group of Toronto mappers have just finalized and announced the > details for the Toronto celebration of the ninth birthday party for > OpenStreetMap. And you are all invited. I should have included the date. Saturday, 10 August 2013, along with the other official birthday events. :-) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_9th_Anniversary_Birthday_party ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Ninth OpenStreetMap birthday: Toronto
Dear all, A group of Toronto mappers have just finalized and announced the details for the Toronto celebration of the ninth birthday party for OpenStreetMap. And you are all invited. Yes, talk-us-ers, I am totally looking at you, too. Michigan, Pennsylvania, New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts mappers, and more all all within an easy drive to Toronto. FSVO "Easy". So if you don't have a local event, and you decide not to host one yourself, come on over! :-) Seriously, if you are coming in from out of town, let us know, so we can see is a billet is available for you. Be the honoured guest who travelled from furthest afar. Yes, our Canadian mappers outside Toronto are invited too! Come on in Hamilton, Kingston, Montreal, Ottawa, Renfrew, Barrie, etc. Our typical monthly Toronto Mappy Hour events are held at a pub. In keeping with previous birthday parties, this one will be held at a private residence. Using a private residence gives us the freedom to provide refreshments and perhaps a map-themed confectionery or two. The official announcement, and calendar for other Toronto events, are kept on meetup.com, but no need for you to join there if you'd rather not. You may RSVP to me directly, off list for location and access details. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Tagging Ridges as ways
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Thomas Colson wrote: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dridge > > seems to suggest that the appropriate way to tag a ridge is as a way. Any > thoughts on this? I’m looking at 100+ ridges, wondering how to simplify > (de-node) yet keep the way roughly following to contours of the feature it’s > supposed to be labeling. It would need to be a pretty significant ridge[1] to earn a place in the OSM data, in my mind. Elevation and contours belong in other datasets, like DEMs, etc, where they can be merged later with OSM data. De-noding is important. Labelling might be more of an issue for render-time, depending on what you mean. What's your goal? Add the named ridges to the map? [1] Niagara Falls, as a cliff (a kind of a ridge :-) ). http://osm.org/go/ZXuwMGJDh- ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Steady increase in the number of mappers in the US
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: [ ... ] > As I envision an OSM Ambassador program, the goals would be similar to > Fedora[1], > > Organize OSM participation at events > Demonstrate OSM to the public > Promote OSM at local events with talks, handouts and swag > Promote Switch2osm > > Provide training in iD > > > Funding should be made available to the ambassadors for reimbursement for > travel and other related expenses. The most likely candidate to handling the > funding would be the US Chapter of OpenStreetMap. A budget and someone to > authorize expenditure would be required. This doesn't have to wait for funding, or permission! There are hundreds of OpenStreetMap "ambassadors" reading this list, right now. 1) Start your local OpenStreetMap group. Meet on a regular schedule. Monthly is best. Make your goal, "be available to answer questions about OpenStreetMap". Everything else is okay too. 2) Grow your local "ambassador team". You don't have to do it all You don't have to do it alone. Include people in your group who like to reach out to other groups. Include people who like to speak at events. Include people who can host at a venue. Share the load. "Replace yourself" with assistant- and alternate-organizers to strengthen the local team. But YOU have to start it. Just do that much. 3) Connect with other nearby local groups to share and enjoy. Drop in on Serge's group when you are in NYC. Thank him for starting it! Do the same when you travel to other places with local groups. Welcome distant mappers when they visit your local area, too. "Ambassador Program" Pah! Just get on with it. :-) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour
Big Blue Button is FLOSS, video conference software. v0.8 or so. http://www.bigbluebutton.org/overview/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] access restriction, water only: How to tag?
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Thomas Colson wrote: > I’m tagging some camp sites as “boat=yes” to imply water access only, but I > don’t think this is right. Is there a water-only access tag? What information are you trying to record? access= generally informs of a legal restriction. In your case, is access by foot prohibited, or simply unwise / unlikely / less convenient? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] SC / NC / TN events?
Hi All, Are there any OpenStreetMap events planned for the next few weeks in the Greenville, SC / Spartanberg TN / Asheville NC area? I'm travelling for a bit and always enjoy meeting with other mappers. Post your public events here. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] ref tags
Why is the US local chapter not running a tile server that renders shields and concurrencies? The tagging has been stable forever. The code has been working for years. Even a hacked demo ( now offline) was running for years before that. Stop waiting for the London tile server to give a stamp of approval for a local mapping idiom. If shields and concurrencies are important to you then why aren't you using the available tools? Argh! :-) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Ninth Birthday celebrations.
Saturday, 10 August 2013 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap_9th_Anniversary_Birthday_party ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] OpenStreetMap Ninth Birthday celebrations.
Dear All, The ninth birthday of OpenStreetMap is coming up soon. It is tradition to celebrate with parties in various cities where OpenStreetMap contributors can attend and we've had Toronto parties for several of the last few years. Great Lakes area Mappers: Shall we do that again? What should we do this time to draw you in from the surrounding areas, if you haven't attended before? Bear in mind that the trip to Toronto is both "worth it" and probaby much shorter than the trip to another OpenStreetMap birthday party host city. Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Rochester, Toledo, Syracuse, I'm totally looking at you! Elsewhere Mappers: Which of you are going to host an OSM birthday party in your town? It's fun. If you don't want to make the trip to Toronto, or London England and you think the event sounds like fun, then you should be hosting in your town. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] A new openstreetmap.us
The new US local chapter site looks nice. Good job. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fwd: [Talk-ca] Mapping party June 2nd near Palais des congrès de Montréal / Cartopartie le dimanche 2 juin près du Palais des congrès de Montréal
>From talk-ca, and also of interest to those talk-us-ers in the North East. Come and meet Canadian mappers in Montréal, a beautiful and friendly city. -- Forwarded message -- From: Guillaume Pratte Date: Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:04 AM Subject: [Talk-ca] Mapping party June 2nd near Palais des congrès de Montréa I would like to invite you to a mapping party in Montreal, on Sunday, June 2nd. Here are the details: http://osm-mapping-party-mtl.eventbrite.ca/ Or: http://www.eventbrite.ca/event/6554826663 Hoping to see you there! ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Baltimore Building Outlines Import
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Matthew Petroff wrote: > Hello, > > The City of Baltimore provides a large amount of public domain GIS data > through > their data portal [1]. Included are city wide building footprints [2], > which I > would like to import into OpenStreetMap. Other users have already started > importing this data in a less automated way. I confirmed with the city GIS > office that the data is indeed public domain. > The City of Baltimore data portal claims otherwise. http://www.baltimorecity.gov/TermsofUse.aspx "OpenBaltimore is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported License." They also include in the Disclaimer, "Commercial use is prohibited without the prior written permission of the City." Either one of those is a big red flag. Can you publish their assurance to you that the data is actually PD? You'll need to publish compelling official documentation from the city that can override their published license. The license details on the Baltimore data portal web site make that data an absolute, "NO GO" in my judgement. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-dev] Call for Presentations - SotM 2013 (annual conference)
-- Forwarded message -- From: Rob Nickerson Date: Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 2:36 PM Subject: [OSM-dev] Call for Presentations - SotM 2013 (annual conference) Hi All, - please forward this on to your local communities - It's that time of year again when we look to you, the mind-bogglingly creative OpenStreetMap community, to tell us what you've been up to. That's right - it time to submit your presentation ideas for the annual State of the Map conference. If you have something interesting to present about your work with OpenStreetMap and would like to tell the world, we would love to hear about it. Simply fill out the "Call for Presentations" form explaining the topic of your presentation. To keep things easy, at this stage we just need a few words, not a full presentation. :-) http://www.stateofthemap.org/info/call-presentations/ (Call for Presentations closes on Monday 10 June 2013.) === A bit more information === The State of the Map 2013 Conference to be held in Birmingham, United Kingdom, from 6 to 8 September is calling for presentations. The theme of this year’s conference is “Change” so we are particularly interested in presentations addressing this theme. Our programme will cover a wide range of topics that will interest everyone from the new OpenStreetMapper to the professional contemplating using our data. We are seeking presentations from businesses, the public sector, charities, and individuals. If you have something to say, for example, about switching to OSM, barriers to its use, apps for mobile mapping, changing community organisation or behaviour, historical mapping, or just anything that you want to present, then make sure you register your proposal with a a few words to describe the topic. Tutorial sessions are especially welcome! Just to add a little more to the Call for Presentations: This year I personally want to try and get as many people involved as possible. We are therefore hoping to have a Poster Exhibition for people who may not be able to attend in person (we can print them locally). If this sounds interesting to you, please use the same form and specify "Poster" as the "Session Format". Posters can be mainly pictorial, or include text. You can bring it yourself or send an electronic copy for local printing (Sponsorship to cover printing costs would be much appreciated). http://www.stateofthemap.org/info/call-presentations/ (Call for Presentations closes on Monday 10 June 2013.) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Proposed small import of UTA bus stops
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > Hi all, > > During the edit-a-thon today I finally got around to working on preparing > a relatively small import of bus stop point data for the UTA service area Try to guess my topic of interest. :-) So, Martijn, tell me about their license. :-) If I've found the appropriate page and license, [1] and if I'm reading it correctly, this data in not suitable for inclusion in OpenStreetMap, because of the license. Specifically: - an appropriate statement, reflecting this disclaimer be used on all products using SGID geospatial data as a source, and that a currency date and stewardship credit for the data be included on the map; and [1] http://gis.utah.gov/about/data-policies/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Previous disputes NE2 and Paul Johnson
These two accounts have a history of conflict with each other. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2010-October/004432.html NE2 and Paul Johnson have been instructed previously to leave each other alone. Anthony DiPierro is the only person, so far, who has been banned from OSM for behaviour that wasn't simple spamming. The number of spammers blocked and banned is near-countless. Anthony has also been banned from Wikipedia[1]. In my opinion, if you get in an argument with Anthony or NE2 and you are right, you are still wrong. They argue for the sport. The entire point of their argument is the conflict, not the potential for resolution. The matter at hand has nothing to do with a turn restriction. The turn restriction is an excuse. Baloo and NE2, "leave each other alone." You are equally complicit. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Quickpolls/Archive#Anthony_DiPierro_.2821:_16_for.2C_5_against_76.25.29 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Reaching out to Local User Groups
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Kathleen Danielson < kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com> wrote: > Re: Map -- All in good time. (Gotta write up my blog post first...) > http://usergroups.openstreetmap.de/?zoom=3&lat=35.96022&lon=-80.33203&layers=B0TFT > Re: Remote meetup deployment: I love that idea and think it would be an > awesome goal 6 months from now. I'd love to have built up a local OSM user > group organizer toolkit by then, so that we can give them some tried and > tested resources to keep things going. > hrm. imho, having outsiders parachute in to (kick-)start a local group discourages local leadership. The locals end up thinking, "hey, they'll come back and we can do it again some time. No need for us to organize anything", or something. That's not our goal. :( ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Reaching out to Local User Groups
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > I would like to organize one in Tulsa. > "Do not, or do. There is no 'like'. " - channelling Map Yoda. :-) They're fun. Pick a format that works for you and do it. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Cleveland 2013 Meeting Recap
Bravo! ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Toronto Hack Weekend, 08-10 March 2013
Come one, come all, to the Second Canadian OpenStreetMap Developer Weekend, eh? As last year, Ryerson University is providing a dry roof overhead, lots of space and rock solid wifi for the programming portion of the event. There will also be a public event, possibly an expert panel, Friday afternoon at Ryerson. Details to follow. Also as last year, there will be a ton of socializing and meeting and greeting with the local OSM community, Friday night and Saturday night. Last year, attendees travelled to Toronto from England, The Netherlands, USA and even the Toronto suburbs. Join the fun! See you in Toronto. Sign up now on the wiki so we can plan for your arrival and the requisite Red Carpet. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Toronto_Hack_Weekend_March_2013 And there are sponsorship opportunities! Want to sponsor a core developer who could otherwise not participate? Want to buy the coders dinner and a few drinks? Let me know. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] "paying a debt" and "making connections"
Hi All, Last March I said that I would get an OSM celebrity to visit a successful new local group that holds six events in the following six months.[1] It is time to pay that debt. So congratulations go to, *drum roll* Nowhere, USA. [2] That's too bad, but it does save us having to discuss who would be a suitable celebrity. :-) I guess I don't have to pay up on that debt. I did ask, "what it would take to get you to hold a local Mappy Hour in your town?" That was never answered. So, I ask again, "What would it take?" If you are on the fence, what would pull you to the correct side? If you would attend one in your town, if only somebody would organize it, then say so. If you would start one, if you knew that somebody would attend, then say so. Let's try to make a connection in a town that makes it worth it. What I get out of local OSM events: 1) they're fun. I look forward to them every month. 2) the people are great. 3) I learn something every time[3]. 4) people will seek you out to ask about OSM.[4] 5) your local mappers will be happier and better coordinated. 6) your data will be better.[5] 7) people will come by and give things to you.[6] So, let's hear it? What would get you do host? Would you host if somebody will attend? Will you attend if somebody will host? Best regards, Richard [1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2012-March/007666.html [2] correct me if I've missed your local! [3] 1 - 3 are closely related [4] we get newcomers most every meeting now. In the last year at least four attendees have been asked to do TV news, radio news, and talk radio. [5] unsupported by data. *waves hands* [6] we've had authors give away copies of their on-topic books. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] The best import
One OSM commenter suggested that the best thing for the map was an import, "Import some German mappers" they suggested. That isn't wrong, but in some places it might be historically provocative. :-) About 18 months ago I posted this Mappy Hour HOWTO. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2011-June/006023.html I don't think anyone has bothered to try it. I'm not aware of a single city in the US with current monthly local meetings for mappers. Try it. They're a lot of fun and help grow the local mapping (and map using) community. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Texas business route letter subscripts, or how I learned to stop arguing and ignore a certain user
Changeset numbers for the edits in question please? By both accounts involved. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Using MapRoulette for imports
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Richard Welty wrote: > On 12/18/12 9:51 PM, Brian DeRocher wrote: > >> Food for thought... Imagine we performed a large data import into a side >> table, then used MapRoulette to overlay that data on OSM, allow users to >> review additions, and import features one at a time. Would that be better? >> >> this could work for some imports. there might be timeliness and QC issues > for others, though. Any use of an external source that fails to consider other sources is Just Bad Mapping. Using something like maproulette to consider the existing state of the database before including data from an external source is one positive step. I would suggest, though, that this sort of mapping far-from-home is generally lower quality and should be avoided. Local knowledge is King. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM Ignite Talk - N. Colorado
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: > Hello, > > I have signed up to do an Ignite talk on Open Street Map in Fort Collins > Colorado on Thursday Feb 28th 2013. > > For those of you not familiar with Ignite talks, you get 20 slides and five > minutes to talk about your topic. The slides automatically advance every 15 > seconds. > > 1) If anyone has done one of these before, or has any advice, it would be > much appreciated. First, it's "OpenStreetMap". One word with many capitals. Compare to the globe; one world with many capitals. :-) I've done many OSM talks and other talks, and only one ignite format talk. The ignite talk was really hard and really fun. Since your talk is in February, I suggest that you start now. Really. Draft something and rehearse it in a mirror, with the slides auto-advancing. I had no idea how quickly five minutes would fly past until I started my rehearsals. In other talks, I can take time to catch my breath, or search for a word; try that in an ignite talk and suddenly you are a slide behind. Also, once you get a handle on how short five minutes is, you'll want to re-write your presentation, then rehearse and revise again, about a dozen times. So, really, yeah. Start now. :-) As with any OSM talk, you can't cover everything. There are just too many different ways to approach OSM, and too many ways to contribute and / or consume the data. Do you know anything about the audience you'll have? For a general audience, I'd want to try to reach a potential mapper, so I'd go with something like: 1) OpenStreetMap is the wiki map of everything 2) Where wikipedia has volunteers writing encyclopaedic articles for everybody to read 3) OpenStreetMap has volunteers surveying their neighbourhoods for everybody to see 4) Mapping the whole world, one neighbourhood at a time sounds crazy 5) and it really is crazy 6) but it actually works 7) mappers survey a shop or park or bicycle trail 8) and use editing software to send the data to OpenStreetMap 9) then everybody may view the data as tiles 10) or render the data as turn-by-turn instructions 11) or render the data as tactile maps for vision impaired 12) or render the data as midi-songs 13) ... something something, and six more slides. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OPC2012] Operation Cowboy - Mission statement
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 4:59 AM, Matthias Meißer wrote: > Hi, > as I don't read any discussions about where and what to map, I would like to > bring up this essential question again. > > Just a few possible ideas (that can be also mixed): > - adding new details (as buildings, landuse, ...) > - fixing TIGER (alignment, classification, ...) > - focus on the coast areas only (big cities) > - focus on the countryside (where no one has been before) > - focus on n states (and making there a huge step) Is there any way to tie this event into growing the local community or assisting a local community that _wants_ some distant armchair support? How about: - call a friend in Distant Town and have them agree to survey Main Street after you fix TIGER and add the buildings from imagery. - have a local user request assistance for Adjacent County TIGER fixup, in exchange for surveying names for new subdivisions in Adjacent County - have new mappers request a mapping coach to join them online allow the new mapper to learn with an interested coach helping out on voice, IRC, email, whatever... Just doing armchair mapping has the chance to create a positive result, but using the armchair mapping event to grow local communities where they don't yet exist would be a greater good. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > We need to stop talking in nebulous terms. "the complaints here" are > apparently unknown to everyone. If it's not appropriate to describe the > specific issues, then perhaps we shouldn't be having this conversation on > the mailing list. I would prefer to discuss this in general, and in the open. Firstly, open is good. Secondly, we're seeking guidelines for use now and in the future. I do understand where you are coming from though. Yes, I think "praise in public, criticize in private" is the way to go in general. However, that hasn't worked in these current cases. Again, we've had _many_ complaints about these very few accounts. If you haven't seen something like this? Good. You are better for it. As Dale suggests in his point 1), if one mapper takes the high road and decides not to change a disputed edit, but to discuss instead, then the other mapper can effectively "game the system". They can not engage, or not change their mind and effectively get what they want, without consultation or collaborative mapping. Rest assured that the difficult mappers would scream "edit war; bad touch!!!" were the high road mapper to respond by reverting or editing to their preference. But how do we distinguish between an idiosyncratic mapper who chooses to be less-engaged with the broader community from a mapping bully who will have it their way, regardless? We[1] can discuss welcome and unwelcome behaviours. We can establish guidelines. We can educate where required. We can impose sanctions where the above don't work. Discussion comes first. DWG have a pattern of complaints from mappers who feel that something must be done. DWG is asking the US community at large what you would have DWG do on your behalf? You could tell those mappers to "suck it up and stop whining." That's what the difficult accounts have effectively said. I think that we can do better than that. I won't suggest that every complaint DWG receives deserves equal weight after consideration of the matter. And I won't suggest that some accounts are always wrong while other accounts are always right. But this is a giant flashing warning light. With a klaxon. [1] We = "We as a community" ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)
Hi, Summary The Data Working Group has had a high number of complaints about a small number of mappers in the USA. The matter falls outside the normal activities of DWG. DWG would like to help, but need your guidance in how to do so. What is the Data Working Group? The Data Working Group exists to handle matters that users don't wish to handle. Namely: Resolution of issues in copyright violation, disputes, vandalism, and bots, beyond the normal means of the community. Helping to set policy on data. Detecting and stopping vandalism and imports that to not comply with guidelines. Most of this is uncontroversial and largely invisible to the community. As an example, when a mapper notices that somebody has created an imaginary town and notifies DWG, DWG can contact the mapper, block the account temporarily and revert the changesets to restore the real map data. It is also uncontroversial when a user self-reports that their bot or import has made an error and they ask DWG to revert the error for them. I should also note that many experienced users on the OSM IRC channels can offer help with undoing self-reported mistakes. DWG is called at times to block parties involved in edit wars and other harmful activities. The current matter An unusual number of complaints have come to DWG regarding a small number of accounts. It is unusual to get a complaint about any account from more than one other account. The numbers involved here beggar our experience in any other part of the world. The matters from that varied complaints are typically differences of opinion on tagging. The mappers involved have generally attempted to resolve the matters in private. The matters generally involve a local mapper and one from further away. The local mappers generally report that they are being 'over ruled' by a remote mapper who won't accept the local mappers local knowledge. DWG has the administrative tools to block an account. What we don't have is a clear rule stating that we can block an account for "being difficult". Questions for the US mapping community: 1) Do you want DWG to act on your behalf on this matter and or similar matters? 2) How would you frame your guidance to DWG so that DWG act appropriately now and in the future? 3) How would you frame your guidance to DWG so that there are no false-positives and few false-negatives? It is my opinion that this very limited number of difficult mappers are a large net-negative to the US mapping community and that the difficult behaviours must be stopped for the benefit of OSM. Best regards, Richard Weait on behalf of OSMF Data Working Group [1] http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Data_Working_Group ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Burlington, Vermont road classification
Y'all have three local mappers in Burlington? That's great. I did an Intro to OSM talk in Burlington in Autumn of 2008. You have to have a Mappy Hour or local event to get more students interested in OSM. Because once they go back home, they'll be mappers in other towns. :-) Grow the community! ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Burlington, Vermont road classification
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Andrew Guertin wrote: > Hi, > > There are two active mappers in the Burlington, Vermont area, and we > disagree about how the roads should be classified, so we're looking for > more opinions. If you are both local mappers, I suggest that you actually meet face to face and share a beverage. As mappers, you both have much more in common, in your concerns about this great project, then you have differences on this small matter of tagging. Over a coffee, or other beverage of choice, talk and argue about favourite editor, preferred survey methods, favourite rendering and the benefits of each of your mapper baseball cards. Then settle this little thing about the precise classification of a few local roads. It doesn't matter how you settle it. Divide the town in odd-even blocks, or take roads at the front back half of the alphabet, or take turns being right from north to south in town. But settle it. You two should be enjoying the camaraderie of your shared interest. Not fussing over trivialities. :-) Now, if only one of you is local, and the difference is purely matter of opinion, then it's easy. Local mapper wins by on the ground rule.* * note: on the ground rule doesn't apply if I'm involved. Then "I win" is the rule we go by. :-) ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Consensus on "SR" for state route versus state abbreviation?
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > Just a random observation: containment in a state does not necessarily > mean that a 'state highway' is a state highway of that state. > > There are a few spots in the Alleganies where NY-17 veers into > Pennsylvania to avoid a mountain or river. It's still maintained by > NYSDOT and signed with a New York highway shield. Calling it SR-17 > would lose that information. > > If anyone cares. I may be veering into autism here. In fun, we call it Obsessive Compulsive OSM Disorder (OCOSMD). You're among friends. http://www.slideshare.net/chippy/you-know-when-you-are-addicted-to-osm-when http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_purity_self-test No disservice intended to those affected by actual conditions with similar names. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] New local groups
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Richard Weait wrote: > Who has started a new[1] local OSM group? [ ... ] > What incentive would it take to push you over the edge to make you > actually do it? What would it take to get you to organize and host > six local OSM meetings in the next six months? Think about it. Tell > the list (or me). > > How about this, after your have six successful local meetings, we[2] > send an OSM celebrity[3] to attend your next event? > > Whaddaya think? Looks like you don't think much of this at all. :( Did anybody take the challenge and host six events in the last six months? Does anybody have an update on their local OSM meetings? Looks like NYC is back! That's great. They have a couple of interesting events coming up. Chicago? Denver? DC? LA? SF? anybody? "Somebody else will do it." That's what you told yourself last time. :-) Your turn. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] "Round at both ends and HI in the middle"
"Ohio, of course." Are you local a mapper in Ohio, especially central Ohio? Did you know that there is a local OSM meetup group in Ohio? Probably not, because it hasn't been very active lately. This group needs a new advocate / operator/ leader. Local OSM groups are amazing fun, and a great way to show and share your mapping with other like-minded folks. Do you want Columbus and surrounding mappers to have a fun event every month? Contact me and I'll give you the keys to the meetup so you can run it. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us