Re: Questions about apple watch and swimming.

2024-09-18 Thread Barbara Stahl
Thanks everybody for the information it is exactly what I needed to knowOn Sep 16, 2024, at 10:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







To my knowledge there is no case you can use which makes the watch waterproof while you wear it on your wrist.
You can remove waterlock by pressing and holding the crown but keep in mind that if the watch is wet and your hands are wet, touch gestures can be very unreliable. But you could at that point invoke Siri and
 ask for the time and maybe a double tap would trigger haptic feedback pretty reliably, haven’t really tested that because if I do say a 1000 meter pool swim and I know when I started, then I don’t need to know the time because I know roughly it takes me 32
 minutes give or take a bit for the 40 laps which make up 1000 meters. If I know I started say at 1:30 PM and I have done 20 laps, I know that about 16 minutes went by. I still count the lanes in my head and when I think I’m done I remove waterlock and see
 what the watch recorded. As I said before, it seems the watch always is 1 lane short so if I know I did 20 lanes because I’m at the same end of the pool where I started hence it has to be an even number, the pool swim workout screen always tells me I did 19
 laps.
There is definitely room for improvement when it comes to how much a Voiceover users gets out of the watch for swimming workouts. I understand the need to lock the display, but they could maybe allow something
 where you can push the digital crown, side button or action button and Voiceove r would read out the time and the information from your workout screen. I also have never yet been able to set it up to vibrate say if you have done a certain distance and I think
 this option exists.
Having said this, I am always wondering why when we go for a walk and use the outdoor walk workout, Siri on my wife’s watch (she does not use Voiceover) announces the distance after 1 Km, 2 Km etc. If I have
 Voiceover on Siri does not do this and neither does Voiceover, if I turn Voiceover off I get the same announcements and I think it’s stupid that as blind users we don’t get either Siri or Voiceover to give us that information.


 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Barbara Stahl
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 7:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Questions about apple watch and swimming.


 


So how exactly do you tell time with the apple watch?  Do you just press the crown  to hear the watch announce the time like I do with my phone, but in the case of the phone, I just press the power button.  Or do you have to do something
 with the display like tapping it or something to get the watch to announce time?  I have heard that it is possible to switch the watch announcement to haptics in the watch's settings.  Would I be able to set something up like that to get the watch to tell
 me the time while swimming?  If this feature requires you to do something with the display, could I change it to initiate with another gesture like pressing the crown a couple of times or something?  Alternatively,  Could I just turn off waterlock and then
 turn it back on again after it tells me the time?   As what about Siri? Could I initiate Siri and get it to tell me the time for the bluetooth issue, I have also seen an article that reviewed swimming headphones and there was one that used radio frequencies
 instead of bluetooth that sounded good.  


Just one more question. If none of my suggestions work, would it be possible to buy a waterproof case that I could put on the watch to avoid the waterlock altogether?  







On Sep 16, 2024, at 3:36 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:




 

You can’t do anything with your watch while waterlock is on, here a statement taken directly from Apple support:
“When Water Lock is on, your Apple Watch doesn't respond to touch on its display. This prevents accidental input while you're in water.”
You can start music and then turn on waterlock, but from what I read the problem is that the Bluetooth connection between the watch and your waterproof headset may not be very consistant as your arm goes under
 water; one poster said that even just a couple of inches of water are enough to block a Bluetooth signal. When I Googled this, I did find the following website which may be a solution, but I haven’t bought this so I can’t be sure:
 
Swim Headphones for Apple Watch | H2O Audio
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Barbara Stahl
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2024 8:09 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Questions about apple watch and swimming.


 

Hi everyone! 


I am considering getting a jym membership with a pool for exercising.  I was also considering getting an apple watch to use while swimming so that I could listen to music while swimming, and also to be able to tell how long I have been
 in the pool so that I can be sure that I get out and dressed in time to catch the bus to go back home.  I planned to use some waterproof head phones to list

RE: Questions about apple watch and swimming.

2024-09-16 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
To my knowledge there is no case you can use which makes the watch waterproof 
while you wear it on your wrist.
You can remove waterlock by pressing and holding the crown but keep in mind 
that if the watch is wet and your hands are wet, touch gestures can be very 
unreliable. But you could at that point invoke Siri and ask for the time and 
maybe a double tap would trigger haptic feedback pretty reliably, haven’t 
really tested that because if I do say a 1000 meter pool swim and I know when I 
started, then I don’t need to know the time because I know roughly it takes me 
32 minutes give or take a bit for the 40 laps which make up 1000 meters. If I 
know I started say at 1:30 PM and I have done 20 laps, I know that about 16 
minutes went by. I still count the lanes in my head and when I think I’m done I 
remove waterlock and see what the watch recorded. As I said before, it seems 
the watch always is 1 lane short so if I know I did 20 lanes because I’m at the 
same end of the pool where I started hence it has to be an even number, the 
pool swim workout screen always tells me I did 19 laps.
There is definitely room for improvement when it comes to how much a Voiceover 
users gets out of the watch for swimming workouts. I understand the need to 
lock the display, but they could maybe allow something where you can push the 
digital crown, side button or action button and Voiceove r would read out the 
time and the information from your workout screen. I also have never yet been 
able to set it up to vibrate say if you have done a certain distance and I 
think this option exists.
Having said this, I am always wondering why when we go for a walk and use the 
outdoor walk workout, Siri on my wife’s watch (she does not use Voiceover) 
announces the distance after 1 Km, 2 Km etc. If I have Voiceover on Siri does 
not do this and neither does Voiceover, if I turn Voiceover off I get the same 
announcements and I think it’s stupid that as blind users we don’t get either 
Siri or Voiceover to give us that information.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara 
Stahl
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 7:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Questions about apple watch and swimming.

So how exactly do you tell time with the apple watch?  Do you just press the 
crown  to hear the watch announce the time like I do with my phone, but in the 
case of the phone, I just press the power button.  Or do you have to do 
something with the display like tapping it or something to get the watch to 
announce time?  I have heard that it is possible to switch the watch 
announcement to haptics in the watch's settings.  Would I be able to set 
something up like that to get the watch to tell me the time while swimming?  If 
this feature requires you to do something with the display, could I change it 
to initiate with another gesture like pressing the crown a couple of times or 
something?  Alternatively,  Could I just turn off waterlock and then turn it 
back on again after it tells me the time?   As what about Siri? Could I 
initiate Siri and get it to tell me the time for the bluetooth issue, I have 
also seen an article that reviewed swimming headphones and there was one that 
used radio frequencies instead of bluetooth that sounded good.
Just one more question. If none of my suggestions work, would it be possible to 
buy a waterproof case that I could put on the watch to avoid the waterlock 
altogether?


On Sep 16, 2024, at 3:36 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

You can’t do anything with your watch while waterlock is on, here a statement 
taken directly from Apple support:
“When Water Lock is on, your Apple Watch doesn't respond to touch on its 
display. This prevents accidental input while you're in water.”
You can start music and then turn on waterlock, but from what I read the 
problem is that the Bluetooth connection between the watch and your waterproof 
headset may not be very consistant as your arm goes under water; one poster 
said that even just a couple of inches of water are enough to block a Bluetooth 
signal. When I Googled this, I did find the following website which may be a 
solution, but I haven’t bought this so I can’t be sure:

Swim Headphones for Apple Watch | H2O 
Audio<https://h2oaudio.com/products/interval-swim-headphones-for-apple-watch#:~:text=With%20built%2Din%20100%25%20waterproof,low%20drag%20in%20the%20water.>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara 
Stahl
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2024 8:09 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Questions about apple watch and swimming.

Hi everyone!
I am considering getting a jym membership with a pool for exercising.  I was 
also considering getting an apple watch to use while swimming so that I could 
listen to music while swimming, and also to be able to tell how long I have 
been in the pool so that I can be sure that I get out and dressed in time to 
catch the bus to go back home.  I planned to use some waterproof h

Re: Questions about apple watch and swimming.

2024-09-16 Thread Goshawk On Horseback
Yes you can, that is the way I tend to do it, as I enjoy swimming so much, the time just absolutely races away.Simon, the March Merman.On 16 Sep 2024, at 21:16, Marie Lyons  wrote:Could you set an alarm before you waterlock the watch? I have heard dings when I’m swimming. Perhaps I could try it and let you know.Marie LyonsSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 16, 2024, at 10:34 AM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:Hi you press the crown to get the time and you turn it to different apps like audible, skype, or what ever apps you have on the watch. The touch screen is to enter your password etc. hth. from Mich. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara StahlSent: September 16, 2024 10:22 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Questions about apple watch and swimming. So how exactly do you tell time with the apple watch?  Do you just press the crown  to hear the watch announce the time like I do with my phone, but in the case of the phone, I just press the power button.  Or do you have to do something with the display like tapping it or something to get the watch to announce time?  I have heard that it is possible to switch the watch announcement to haptics in the watch's settings.  Would I be able to set something up like that to get the watch to tell me the time while swimming?  If this feature requires you to do something with the display, could I change it to initiate with another gesture like pressing the crown a couple of times or something?  Alternatively,  Could I just turn off waterlock and then turn it back on again after it tells me the time?   As what about Siri? Could I initiate Siri and get it to tell me the time for the bluetooth issue, I have also seen an article that reviewed swimming headphones and there was one that used radio frequencies instead of bluetooth that sounded good.  Just one more question. If none of my suggestions work, would it be possible to buy a waterproof case that I could put on the watch to avoid the waterlock altogether?  On Sep 16, 2024, at 3:36 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: You can’t do anything with your watch while waterlock is on, here a statement taken directly from Apple support:“When Water Lock is on, your Apple Watch doesn't respond to touch on its display. This prevents accidental input while you're in water.”You can start music and then turn on waterlock, but from what I read the problem is that the Bluetooth connection between the watch and your waterproof headset may not be very consistant as your arm goes under water; one poster said that even just a couple of inches of water are enough to block a Bluetooth signal. When I Googled this, I did find the following website which may be a solution, but I haven’t bought this so I can’t be sure: Swim Headphones for Apple Watch | H2O Audio From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Barbara StahlSent: Friday, September 13, 2024 8:09 PMTo: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>Subject: Questions about apple watch and swimming. Hi everyone! I am considering getting a jym membership with a pool for exercising.  I was also considering getting an apple watch to use while swimming so that I could listen to music while swimming, and also to be able to tell how long I have been in the pool so that I can be sure that I get out and dressed in time to catch the bus to go back home.  I planned to use some waterproof head phones to listen to the music.  From other emails in this list on this issue, I know that in order to swim with the apple watch you have to turn on a waterlock and you have to turn this off in order to do things with the watch like have it read the screen.  However,  is it still possible to use the watch to tell time while swimming?  Also if you set up the music such as a pandora station before initiating the water lock feature, can you listen to the music after the feature is engaged?    alternatively,  is there an apple watch case or something that is waterproof that could be used instead of the water lock feature?   -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/02B23245-E41A-4A2D-B08A-B110873D5E80%40gmail.com.-- The following i

Re: Questions about apple watch and swimming.

2024-09-16 Thread Marie Lyons
Could you set an alarm before you waterlock the watch? I have heard dings when I’m swimming. Perhaps I could try it and let you know.Marie LyonsSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 16, 2024, at 10:34 AM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:Hi you press the crown to get the time and you turn it to different apps like audible, skype, or what ever apps you have on the watch. The touch screen is to enter your password etc. hth. from Mich. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara StahlSent: September 16, 2024 10:22 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Questions about apple watch and swimming. So how exactly do you tell time with the apple watch?  Do you just press the crown  to hear the watch announce the time like I do with my phone, but in the case of the phone, I just press the power button.  Or do you have to do something with the display like tapping it or something to get the watch to announce time?  I have heard that it is possible to switch the watch announcement to haptics in the watch's settings.  Would I be able to set something up like that to get the watch to tell me the time while swimming?  If this feature requires you to do something with the display, could I change it to initiate with another gesture like pressing the crown a couple of times or something?  Alternatively,  Could I just turn off waterlock and then turn it back on again after it tells me the time?   As what about Siri? Could I initiate Siri and get it to tell me the time for the bluetooth issue, I have also seen an article that reviewed swimming headphones and there was one that used radio frequencies instead of bluetooth that sounded good.  Just one more question. If none of my suggestions work, would it be possible to buy a waterproof case that I could put on the watch to avoid the waterlock altogether?  On Sep 16, 2024, at 3:36 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: You can’t do anything with your watch while waterlock is on, here a statement taken directly from Apple support:“When Water Lock is on, your Apple Watch doesn't respond to touch on its display. This prevents accidental input while you're in water.”You can start music and then turn on waterlock, but from what I read the problem is that the Bluetooth connection between the watch and your waterproof headset may not be very consistant as your arm goes under water; one poster said that even just a couple of inches of water are enough to block a Bluetooth signal. When I Googled this, I did find the following website which may be a solution, but I haven’t bought this so I can’t be sure: Swim Headphones for Apple Watch | H2O Audio From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Barbara StahlSent: Friday, September 13, 2024 8:09 PMTo: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>Subject: Questions about apple watch and swimming. Hi everyone! I am considering getting a jym membership with a pool for exercising.  I was also considering getting an apple watch to use while swimming so that I could listen to music while swimming, and also to be able to tell how long I have been in the pool so that I can be sure that I get out and dressed in time to catch the bus to go back home.  I planned to use some waterproof head phones to listen to the music.  From other emails in this list on this issue, I know that in order to swim with the apple watch you have to turn on a waterlock and you have to turn this off in order to do things with the watch like have it read the screen.  However,  is it still possible to use the watch to tell time while swimming?  Also if you set up the music such as a pandora station before initiating the water lock feature, can you listen to the music after the feature is engaged?    alternatively,  is there an apple watch case or something that is waterproof that could be used instead of the water lock feature?   -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/02B23245-E41A-4A2D-B08A-B110873D5E80%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is i

RE: Questions about apple watch and swimming.

2024-09-16 Thread michv
Hi you press the crown to get the time and you turn it to different apps like 
audible, skype, or what ever apps you have on the watch. The touch screen is to 
enter your password etc. hth. from Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara 
Stahl
Sent: September 16, 2024 10:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Questions about apple watch and swimming.

 

So how exactly do you tell time with the apple watch?  Do you just press the 
crown  to hear the watch announce the time like I do with my phone, but in the 
case of the phone, I just press the power button.  Or do you have to do 
something with the display like tapping it or something to get the watch to 
announce time?  I have heard that it is possible to switch the watch 
announcement to haptics in the watch's settings.  Would I be able to set 
something up like that to get the watch to tell me the time while swimming?  If 
this feature requires you to do something with the display, could I change it 
to initiate with another gesture like pressing the crown a couple of times or 
something?  Alternatively,  Could I just turn off waterlock and then turn it 
back on again after it tells me the time?   As what about Siri? Could I 
initiate Siri and get it to tell me the time for the bluetooth issue, I have 
also seen an article that reviewed swimming headphones and there was one that 
used radio frequencies instead of bluetooth that sounded good.  

Just one more question. If none of my suggestions work, would it be possible to 
buy a waterproof case that I could put on the watch to avoid the waterlock 
altogether?  





On Sep 16, 2024, at 3:36 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

You can’t do anything with your watch while waterlock is on, here a statement 
taken directly from Apple support:

“When Water Lock is on, your Apple Watch doesn't respond to touch on its 
display. This prevents accidental input while you're in water.”

You can start music and then turn on waterlock, but from what I read the 
problem is that the Bluetooth connection between the watch and your waterproof 
headset may not be very consistant as your arm goes under water; one poster 
said that even just a couple of inches of water are enough to block a Bluetooth 
signal. When I Googled this, I did find the following website which may be a 
solution, but I haven’t bought this so I can’t be sure:

 

Swim Headphones for Apple Watch | H2O Audio 
<https://h2oaudio.com/products/interval-swim-headphones-for-apple-watch#:~:text=With%20built%2Din%20100%25%20waterproof,low%20drag%20in%20the%20water.>
 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Barbara Stahl
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2024 8:09 PM
To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Questions about apple watch and swimming.

 

Hi everyone! 

I am considering getting a jym membership with a pool for exercising.  I was 
also considering getting an apple watch to use while swimming so that I could 
listen to music while swimming, and also to be able to tell how long I have 
been in the pool so that I can be sure that I get out and dressed in time to 
catch the bus to go back home.  I planned to use some waterproof head phones to 
listen to the music.  

>From other emails in this list on this issue, I know that in order to swim 
>with the apple watch you have to turn on a waterlock and you have to turn this 
>off in order to do things with the watch like have it read the screen.  
>However,  is it still possible to use the watch to tell time while swimming?  
>Also if you set up the music such as a pandora station before initiating the 
>water lock feature, can you listen to the music after the feature is engaged?  
>  alternatively,  is there an apple watch case or something that is waterproof 
>that could be used instead of the water lock feature?   

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Re: Questions about apple watch and swimming.

2024-09-16 Thread Barbara Stahl
So how exactly do you tell time with the apple watch?  Do you just press the crown  to hear the watch announce the time like I do with my phone, but in the case of the phone, I just press the power button.  Or do you have to do something with the display like tapping it or something to get the watch to announce time?  I have heard that it is possible to switch the watch announcement to haptics in the watch's settings.  Would I be able to set something up like that to get the watch to tell me the time while swimming?  If this feature requires you to do something with the display, could I change it to initiate with another gesture like pressing the crown a couple of times or something?  Alternatively,  Could I just turn off waterlock and then turn it back on again after it tells me the time?   As what about Siri? Could I initiate Siri and get it to tell me the time for the bluetooth issue, I have also seen an article that reviewed swimming headphones and there was one that used radio frequencies instead of bluetooth that sounded good.  Just one more question. If none of my suggestions work, would it be possible to buy a waterproof case that I could put on the watch to avoid the waterlock altogether?  On Sep 16, 2024, at 3:36 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







You can’t do anything with your watch while waterlock is on, here a statement taken directly from Apple support:
“When Water Lock is on, your Apple Watch doesn't respond to touch on its display. This prevents accidental input while you're in water.”
You can start music and then turn on waterlock, but from what I read the problem is that the Bluetooth connection between the watch and your waterproof headset may not be very consistant as your arm goes under
 water; one poster said that even just a couple of inches of water are enough to block a Bluetooth signal. When I Googled this, I did find the following website which may be a solution, but I haven’t bought this so I can’t be sure:
 
Swim Headphones for Apple Watch | H2O Audio
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Barbara Stahl
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2024 8:09 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Questions about apple watch and swimming.


 

Hi everyone! 


I am considering getting a jym membership with a pool for exercising.  I was also considering getting an apple watch to use while swimming so that I could listen to music while swimming, and also to be able to tell how long I have been
 in the pool so that I can be sure that I get out and dressed in time to catch the bus to go back home.  I planned to use some waterproof head phones to listen to the music.  


From other emails in this list on this issue, I know that in order to swim with the apple watch you have to turn on a waterlock and you have to turn this off in order to do things with the watch like have it read the screen.  However,  is
 it still possible to use the watch to tell time while swimming?  Also if you set up the music such as a pandora station before initiating the water lock feature, can you listen to the music after the feature is engaged?    alternatively,  is there an apple
 watch case or something that is waterproof that could be used instead of the water lock feature?   

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RE: Questions about apple watch and swimming.

2024-09-16 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
You can’t do anything with your watch while waterlock is on, here a statement 
taken directly from Apple support:
“When Water Lock is on, your Apple Watch doesn't respond to touch on its 
display. This prevents accidental input while you're in water.”
You can start music and then turn on waterlock, but from what I read the 
problem is that the Bluetooth connection between the watch and your waterproof 
headset may not be very consistant as your arm goes under water; one poster 
said that even just a couple of inches of water are enough to block a Bluetooth 
signal. When I Googled this, I did find the following website which may be a 
solution, but I haven’t bought this so I can’t be sure:

Swim Headphones for Apple Watch | H2O 
Audio<https://h2oaudio.com/products/interval-swim-headphones-for-apple-watch#:~:text=With%20built%2Din%20100%25%20waterproof,low%20drag%20in%20the%20water.>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara 
Stahl
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2024 8:09 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Questions about apple watch and swimming.

Hi everyone!
I am considering getting a jym membership with a pool for exercising.  I was 
also considering getting an apple watch to use while swimming so that I could 
listen to music while swimming, and also to be able to tell how long I have 
been in the pool so that I can be sure that I get out and dressed in time to 
catch the bus to go back home.  I planned to use some waterproof head phones to 
listen to the music.
>From other emails in this list on this issue, I know that in order to swim 
>with the apple watch you have to turn on a waterlock and you have to turn this 
>off in order to do things with the watch like have it read the screen.  
>However,  is it still possible to use the watch to tell time while swimming?  
>Also if you set up the music such as a pandora station before initiating the 
>water lock feature, can you listen to the music after the feature is engaged?  
>  alternatively,  is there an apple watch case or something that is waterproof 
>that could be used instead of the water lock feature?
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Re: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?

2024-09-15 Thread Malcolm Parfitt
Thank you to all who replied to my post about watch bands for my new Apple Watch.I have placed an order for the 46MM model GPS only.  It should be with me on Friday.As I am trading in my 41MM series 7 I have its Sport loop which new is worth £49 that I would happily let go free to a good home.All I would require is for the recipient to pay postage from here in the UK.I would rather someone make use of it if that is at all possible.Malcolm ParfittOn 15 Sep 2024, at 8:39 pm, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:Incidentally Graham, there are 30.48 Centimetres in a Foot!Malcolm ParfittOn 15 Sep 2024, at 8:31 pm, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone  wrote:Very likely as I was just copying from Copilot and didn't pay close attention. Yes, 2.54 CM equals one inch. I suspect Copilot confused Watch series 10 with 10 inches. O well. Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Sep 15, 2024, at 12:22 PM, Graham Stoodley  wrote:Richard, I think you have the decimal point in the wrong place. There are 2.54 centimeters to an inch, not 25.4, which is more than a foot.Graham Stoodley-Original Message-From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone  Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 2:51 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?Malcolm,There are some sizing guidelines out there that suggest using a cloth measuring tape, like what a taylor would use, or a piece of string, wrapped around your wrist so it fits snuggly so the watch will maintain contact with your wrist, then measure the length of the string, or if a cloth measuring tape, it will show you.  Obviously, this takes sighted assistance.Then, if you measure in inches, you will need to convert to centimeters.  25.4 centimeters per inch.Apple used to have a pdf you could download  and print out, then wrap it around your wrist to get the measurement.And, I gather the bands match the size of the watch so you need to know what size the watch is, of course.I understand the series 10 have a new connection system so old bands won't work.Good luck,Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ... SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Malcolm ParfittSent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 10:58 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?Unfortunately neither option is open to me.  Normally Apple are quite clear about this sort of thing but not in this case.Malcolm ParfittOn 11 Sep 2024, at 6:44 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:When I just did a Google search for "Apple Watch 10 strap sizes", one of th efirst few search results was a PDF file from Apple which contains a tool to find your exact strap size.You would, however, need sighted help since there are a few requirements:First, you have to print the page at 100% scaling and there is a way to check after the page printed if the size is correct. There is a box on the page and if you put a credit card in that box and it's an exact fit, then it's printed correctly.Second, you have to cut out the tool or template and then wrap it arund your wrist and there will be an arrow pointing at a line which indicates your exact size.Of course if you have an Apple Store nearby you could simply go there as I am sure they have something similar to determine your strap size.-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Malcolm ParfittSent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 9:42 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comCc: watchosblindusersgr...@groups.ioSubject: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?Hello,Looking at the Apple Store App and the section for ordering the new Apple Watch 10 I see that some straps are listed with sizes one to twelve.  I can see no reference as to what these sizes actually mean.  So is one to twelve smallest to largest for instance?Any suggestions welcome.Malcolm Parfitt--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F62F4999-1

Re: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?

2024-09-15 Thread Malcolm Parfitt
Incidentally Graham, there are 30.48 Centimetres in a Foot!Malcolm ParfittOn 15 Sep 2024, at 8:31 pm, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone  wrote:Very likely as I was just copying from Copilot and didn't pay close attention. Yes, 2.54 CM equals one inch. I suspect Copilot confused Watch series 10 with 10 inches. O well. Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ...SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com(sent from my iPhone 13 pro) On Sep 15, 2024, at 12:22 PM, Graham Stoodley  wrote:Richard, I think you have the decimal point in the wrong place. There are 2.54 centimeters to an inch, not 25.4, which is more than a foot.Graham Stoodley-Original Message-From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone  Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 2:51 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?Malcolm,There are some sizing guidelines out there that suggest using a cloth measuring tape, like what a taylor would use, or a piece of string, wrapped around your wrist so it fits snuggly so the watch will maintain contact with your wrist, then measure the length of the string, or if a cloth measuring tape, it will show you.  Obviously, this takes sighted assistance.Then, if you measure in inches, you will need to convert to centimeters.  25.4 centimeters per inch.Apple used to have a pdf you could download  and print out, then wrap it around your wrist to get the measurement.And, I gather the bands match the size of the watch so you need to know what size the watch is, of course.I understand the series 10 have a new connection system so old bands won't work.Good luck,Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ... SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Malcolm ParfittSent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 10:58 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?Unfortunately neither option is open to me.  Normally Apple are quite clear about this sort of thing but not in this case.Malcolm ParfittOn 11 Sep 2024, at 6:44 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:When I just did a Google search for "Apple Watch 10 strap sizes", one of th efirst few search results was a PDF file from Apple which contains a tool to find your exact strap size.You would, however, need sighted help since there are a few requirements:First, you have to print the page at 100% scaling and there is a way to check after the page printed if the size is correct. There is a box on the page and if you put a credit card in that box and it's an exact fit, then it's printed correctly.Second, you have to cut out the tool or template and then wrap it arund your wrist and there will be an arrow pointing at a line which indicates your exact size.Of course if you have an Apple Store nearby you could simply go there as I am sure they have something similar to determine your strap size.-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Malcolm ParfittSent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 9:42 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comCc: watchosblindusersgr...@groups.ioSubject: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?Hello,Looking at the Apple Store App and the section for ordering the new Apple Watch 10 I see that some straps are listed with sizes one to twelve.  I can see no reference as to what these sizes actually mean.  So is one to twelve smallest to largest for instance?Any suggestions welcome.Malcolm Parfitt--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/F62F4999-1E7D-4D0A-B4B1-9C689DC78220%40parfitt1.org.uk.--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@cara

Re: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?

2024-09-15 Thread 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone
Very likely as I was just copying from Copilot and didn't pay close attention. 
Yes, 2.54 CM equals one inch. I suspect Copilot confused Watch series 10 with 
10 inches. O well. 


Richard, USA
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> On Sep 15, 2024, at 12:22 PM, Graham Stoodley  
> wrote:
> 
> Richard, I think you have the decimal point in the wrong place. There are 
> 2.54 centimeters to an inch, not 25.4, which is more than a foot.
> 
> Graham Stoodley
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 2:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?
> 
> Malcolm,
> There are some sizing guidelines out there that suggest using a cloth 
> measuring tape, like what a taylor would use, or a piece of string, wrapped 
> around your wrist so it fits snuggly so the watch will maintain contact with 
> your wrist, then measure the length of the string, or if a cloth measuring 
> tape, it will show you.  Obviously, this takes sighted assistance.
> Then, if you measure in inches, you will need to convert to centimeters.  
> 25.4 centimeters per inch.
> 
> Apple used to have a pdf you could download  and print out, then wrap it 
> around your wrist to get the measurement.
> 
> And, I gather the bands match the size of the watch so you need to know what 
> size the watch is, of course.
> I understand the series 10 have a new connection system so old bands won't 
> work.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Richard, USA
> "INTROVERTS UNITE ...
> SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
> -- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 10:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?
> 
> Unfortunately neither option is open to me.  Normally Apple are quite clear 
> about this sort of thing but not in this case.
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>> On 11 Sep 2024, at 6:44 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> When I just did a Google search for "Apple Watch 10 strap sizes", one of th 
>> efirst few search results was a PDF file from Apple which contains a tool to 
>> find your exact strap size.
>> You would, however, need sighted help since there are a few requirements:
>> First, you have to print the page at 100% scaling and there is a way to 
>> check after the page printed if the size is correct. There is a box on the 
>> page and if you put a credit card in that box and it's an exact fit, then 
>> it's printed correctly.
>> Second, you have to cut out the tool or template and then wrap it arund your 
>> wrist and there will be an arrow pointing at a line which indicates your 
>> exact size.
>> Of course if you have an Apple Store nearby you could simply go there as I 
>> am sure they have something similar to determine your strap size.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 9:42 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: watchosblindusersgr...@groups.io
>> Subject: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Looking at the Apple Store App and the section for ordering the new Apple 
>> Watch 10 I see that some straps are listed with sizes one to twelve.  I can 
>> see no reference as to what these sizes actually mean.  So is one to twelve 
>> smallest to largest for instance?
>> 
>> Any suggestions welcome.
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> 
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RE: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?

2024-09-15 Thread Graham Stoodley
Richard, I think you have the decimal point in the wrong place. There are 2.54 
centimeters to an inch, not 25.4, which is more than a foot.

Graham Stoodley

-Original Message-
From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone  
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 2:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?

Malcolm,
There are some sizing guidelines out there that suggest using a cloth measuring 
tape, like what a taylor would use, or a piece of string, wrapped around your 
wrist so it fits snuggly so the watch will maintain contact with your wrist, 
then measure the length of the string, or if a cloth measuring tape, it will 
show you.  Obviously, this takes sighted assistance.
Then, if you measure in inches, you will need to convert to centimeters.  25.4 
centimeters per inch.

Apple used to have a pdf you could download  and print out, then wrap it around 
your wrist to get the measurement.

And, I gather the bands match the size of the watch so you need to know what 
size the watch is, of course.
I understand the series 10 have a new connection system so old bands won't work.

Good luck,

Richard, USA
"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 
SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Malcolm 
Parfitt
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 10:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?

Unfortunately neither option is open to me.  Normally Apple are quite clear 
about this sort of thing but not in this case.
Malcolm Parfitt

> On 11 Sep 2024, at 6:44 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> When I just did a Google search for "Apple Watch 10 strap sizes", one of th 
> efirst few search results was a PDF file from Apple which contains a tool to 
> find your exact strap size.
> You would, however, need sighted help since there are a few requirements:
> First, you have to print the page at 100% scaling and there is a way to check 
> after the page printed if the size is correct. There is a box on the page and 
> if you put a credit card in that box and it's an exact fit, then it's printed 
> correctly.
> Second, you have to cut out the tool or template and then wrap it arund your 
> wrist and there will be an arrow pointing at a line which indicates your 
> exact size.
> Of course if you have an Apple Store nearby you could simply go there as I am 
> sure they have something similar to determine your strap size.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 9:42 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: watchosblindusersgr...@groups.io
> Subject: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Looking at the Apple Store App and the section for ordering the new Apple 
> Watch 10 I see that some straps are listed with sizes one to twelve.  I can 
> see no reference as to what these sizes actually mean.  So is one to twelve 
> smallest to largest for instance?
> 
> Any suggestions welcome.
> Malcolm Parfitt
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Questions about apple watch and swimming.

2024-09-13 Thread Barbara Stahl
Hi everyone! 
I am considering getting a jym membership with a pool for exercising.  I was 
also considering getting an apple watch to use while swimming so that I could 
listen to music while swimming, and also to be able to tell how long I have 
been in the pool so that I can be sure that I get out and dressed in time to 
catch the bus to go back home.  I planned to use some waterproof head phones to 
listen to the music.  
>From other emails in this list on this issue, I know that in order to swim 
>with the apple watch you have to turn on a waterlock and you have to turn this 
>off in order to do things with the watch like have it read the screen.  
>However,  is it still possible to use the watch to tell time while swimming?  
>Also if you set up the music such as a pandora station before initiating the 
>water lock feature, can you listen to the music after the feature is engaged?  
>  alternatively,  is there an apple watch case or something that is waterproof 
>that could be used instead of the water lock feature?   

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Re: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?

2024-09-11 Thread Chris Chaffin
If you have a piece of string or even a shoe lace, you could use it to measure around your wrist, as long as you have a measuring tape to measure its length afterwards.  For sighted assistance, do not forget that you could call a volunteer with Be My eyes.I have use Be My Eyes for that before.  One time I needed to measure something, so after measuring it with a tape measure, I used a volunteer to tell me the measurement on the tape measure.As far as learning what the sizes 1 to 12 stand for, I would call Apple accessibility and tell them what your doing and you just need to know what those numbers stand for as far as sizes. Hope this helps.Chris ChaffinOn Sep 11, 2024, at 3:30 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:Hello Richard,Thanks for your comprehensive reply.Unfortunately sighted help is not something I have readily available to me at the moment.  As you may remember I live with my elderly mother debilitated by two strokes.  I have therefore had to become domesticated rather quickly and with a combination of triumph and error.From what I can see Apple describes its new strap with sizes one to twelve but with no guidelines what these sizes mean.  I’m not even sure whether one is the smallest and twelve the largest or the other way round.Fortunately I read that 41 mm and 45 mm bands: These older bands will fit the new 42 mm and 46 mm cases.  So my old band should fit.Malcolm ParfittOn 11 Sep 2024, at 7:51 pm, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone  wrote:Malcolm,There are some sizing guidelines out there that suggest using a cloth measuring tape, like what a taylor would use, or a piece of string, wrapped around your wrist so it fits snuggly so the watch will maintain contact with your wrist, then measure the length of the string, or if a cloth measuring tape, it will show you.  Obviously, this takes sighted assistance.Then, if you measure in inches, you will need to convert to centimeters.  25.4 centimeters per inch.Apple used to have a pdf you could download  and print out, then wrap it around your wrist to get the measurement.And, I gather the bands match the size of the watch so you need to know what size the watch is, of course.I understand the series 10 have a new connection system so old bands won't work.Good luck,Richard, USA"INTROVERTS UNITE ... SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raisedMy web site: https://www.turner42.com-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Malcolm ParfittSent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 10:58 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?Unfortunately neither option is open to me.  Normally Apple are quite clear about this sort of thing but not in this case.Malcolm ParfittOn 11 Sep 2024, at 6:44 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:When I just did a Google search for "Apple Watch 10 strap sizes", one of th efirst few search results was a PDF file from Apple which contains a tool to find your exact strap size.You would, however, need sighted help since there are a few requirements:First, you have to print the page at 100% scaling and there is a way to check after the page printed if the size is correct. There is a box on the page and if you put a credit card in that box and it's an exact fit, then it's printed correctly.Second, you have to cut out the tool or template and then wrap it arund your wrist and there will be an arrow pointing at a line which indicates your exact size.Of course if you have an Apple Store nearby you could simply go there as I am sure they have something similar to determine your strap size.-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Malcolm ParfittSent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 9:42 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comCc: watchosblindusersgr...@groups.ioSubject: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?Hello,Looking at the Apple Store App and the section for ordering the new Apple Watch 10 I see that some straps are listed with sizes one to twelve.  I can see no reference as to what these sizes actually mean.  So is one to twelve smallest to largest for instance?Any suggestions welcome.Malcolm Parfitt--The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web v

Re: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?

2024-09-11 Thread Malcolm Parfitt
Hello Richard,

Thanks for your comprehensive reply.

Unfortunately sighted help is not something I have readily available to me at 
the moment.  As you may remember I live with my elderly mother debilitated by 
two strokes.  I have therefore had to become domesticated rather quickly and 
with a combination of triumph and error.

>From what I can see Apple describes its new strap with sizes one to twelve but 
>with no guidelines what these sizes mean.  I’m not even sure whether one is 
>the smallest and twelve the largest or the other way round.
Fortunately I read that 
41 mm and 45 mm bands: These older bands will fit the new 42 mm and 46 mm 
cases.  So my old band should fit.
Malcolm Parfitt

> On 11 Sep 2024, at 7:51 pm, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Malcolm,
> There are some sizing guidelines out there that suggest using a cloth 
> measuring tape, like what a taylor would use, or a piece of string, wrapped 
> around your wrist so it fits snuggly so the watch will maintain contact with 
> your wrist, then measure the length of the string, or if a cloth measuring 
> tape, it will show you.  Obviously, this takes sighted assistance.
> Then, if you measure in inches, you will need to convert to centimeters.  
> 25.4 centimeters per inch.
> 
> Apple used to have a pdf you could download  and print out, then wrap it 
> around your wrist to get the measurement.
> 
> And, I gather the bands match the size of the watch so you need to know what 
> size the watch is, of course.
> I understand the series 10 have a new connection system so old bands won't 
> work.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Richard, USA
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 10:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?
> 
> Unfortunately neither option is open to me.  Normally Apple are quite clear 
> about this sort of thing but not in this case.
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>> On 11 Sep 2024, at 6:44 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> When I just did a Google search for "Apple Watch 10 strap sizes", one of th 
>> efirst few search results was a PDF file from Apple which contains a tool to 
>> find your exact strap size.
>> You would, however, need sighted help since there are a few requirements:
>> First, you have to print the page at 100% scaling and there is a way to 
>> check after the page printed if the size is correct. There is a box on the 
>> page and if you put a credit card in that box and it's an exact fit, then 
>> it's printed correctly.
>> Second, you have to cut out the tool or template and then wrap it arund your 
>> wrist and there will be an arrow pointing at a line which indicates your 
>> exact size.
>> Of course if you have an Apple Store nearby you could simply go there as I 
>> am sure they have something similar to determine your strap size.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 9:42 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: watchosblindusersgr...@groups.io
>> Subject: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Looking at the Apple Store App and the section for ordering the new Apple 
>> Watch 10 I see that some straps are listed with sizes one to twelve.  I can 
>> see no reference as to what these sizes actually mean.  So is one to twelve 
>> smallest to largest for instance?
>> 
>> Any suggestions welcome.
>> Malcolm Parfitt
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RE: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?

2024-09-11 Thread 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone
Malcolm,
There are some sizing guidelines out there that suggest using a cloth measuring 
tape, like what a taylor would use, or a piece of string, wrapped around your 
wrist so it fits snuggly so the watch will maintain contact with your wrist, 
then measure the length of the string, or if a cloth measuring tape, it will 
show you.  Obviously, this takes sighted assistance.
Then, if you measure in inches, you will need to convert to centimeters.  25.4 
centimeters per inch.

Apple used to have a pdf you could download  and print out, then wrap it around 
your wrist to get the measurement.

And, I gather the bands match the size of the watch so you need to know what 
size the watch is, of course.
I understand the series 10 have a new connection system so old bands won't work.

Good luck,

Richard, USA
"INTROVERTS UNITE ... 
SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
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Parfitt
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?

Unfortunately neither option is open to me.  Normally Apple are quite clear 
about this sort of thing but not in this case.
Malcolm Parfitt

> On 11 Sep 2024, at 6:44 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> When I just did a Google search for "Apple Watch 10 strap sizes", one of th 
> efirst few search results was a PDF file from Apple which contains a tool to 
> find your exact strap size.
> You would, however, need sighted help since there are a few requirements:
> First, you have to print the page at 100% scaling and there is a way to check 
> after the page printed if the size is correct. There is a box on the page and 
> if you put a credit card in that box and it's an exact fit, then it's printed 
> correctly.
> Second, you have to cut out the tool or template and then wrap it arund your 
> wrist and there will be an arrow pointing at a line which indicates your 
> exact size.
> Of course if you have an Apple Store nearby you could simply go there as I am 
> sure they have something similar to determine your strap size.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 9:42 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: watchosblindusersgr...@groups.io
> Subject: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Looking at the Apple Store App and the section for ordering the new Apple 
> Watch 10 I see that some straps are listed with sizes one to twelve.  I can 
> see no reference as to what these sizes actually mean.  So is one to twelve 
> smallest to largest for instance?
> 
> Any suggestions welcome.
> Malcolm Parfitt
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Re: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?

2024-09-11 Thread regina alvarado
I thought they said on the Apple rollout that the strap size is the same as 
previously. If that’s not the case, someone correct me please


Reggie Alvarado 

On Sep 11, 2024, at 1:58 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:

Unfortunately neither option is open to me.  Normally Apple are quite clear 
about this sort of thing but not in this case.
Malcolm Parfitt

> On 11 Sep 2024, at 6:44 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> When I just did a Google search for "Apple Watch 10 strap sizes", one of th 
> efirst few search results was a PDF file from Apple which contains a tool to 
> find your exact strap size.
> You would, however, need sighted help since there are a few requirements:
> First, you have to print the page at 100% scaling and there is a way to check 
> after the page printed if the size is correct. There is a box on the page and 
> if you put a credit card in that box and it's an exact fit, then it's printed 
> correctly.
> Second, you have to cut out the tool or template and then wrap it arund your 
> wrist and there will be an arrow pointing at a line which indicates your 
> exact size.
> Of course if you have an Apple Store nearby you could simply go there as I am 
> sure they have something similar to determine your strap size.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 9:42 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: watchosblindusersgr...@groups.io
> Subject: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Looking at the Apple Store App and the section for ordering the new Apple 
> Watch 10 I see that some straps are listed with sizes one to twelve.  I can 
> see no reference as to what these sizes actually mean.  So is one to twelve 
> smallest to largest for instance?
> 
> Any suggestions welcome.
> Malcolm Parfitt
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Re: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?

2024-09-11 Thread Malcolm Parfitt
Unfortunately neither option is open to me.  Normally Apple are quite clear 
about this sort of thing but not in this case.
Malcolm Parfitt

> On 11 Sep 2024, at 6:44 pm, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> When I just did a Google search for "Apple Watch 10 strap sizes", one of th 
> efirst few search results was a PDF file from Apple which contains a tool to 
> find your exact strap size.
> You would, however, need sighted help since there are a few requirements:
> First, you have to print the page at 100% scaling and there is a way to check 
> after the page printed if the size is correct. There is a box on the page and 
> if you put a credit card in that box and it's an exact fit, then it's printed 
> correctly.
> Second, you have to cut out the tool or template and then wrap it arund your 
> wrist and there will be an arrow pointing at a line which indicates your 
> exact size.
> Of course if you have an Apple Store nearby you could simply go there as I am 
> sure they have something similar to determine your strap size.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 9:42 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: watchosblindusersgr...@groups.io
> Subject: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Looking at the Apple Store App and the section for ordering the new Apple 
> Watch 10 I see that some straps are listed with sizes one to twelve.  I can 
> see no reference as to what these sizes actually mean.  So is one to twelve 
> smallest to largest for instance?
> 
> Any suggestions welcome.
> Malcolm Parfitt
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RE: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?

2024-09-11 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
When I just did a Google search for "Apple Watch 10 strap sizes", one of th 
efirst few search results was a PDF file from Apple which contains a tool to 
find your exact strap size.
You would, however, need sighted help since there are a few requirements:
First, you have to print the page at 100% scaling and there is a way to check 
after the page printed if the size is correct. There is a box on the page and 
if you put a credit card in that box and it's an exact fit, then it's printed 
correctly.
Second, you have to cut out the tool or template and then wrap it arund your 
wrist and there will be an arrow pointing at a line which indicates your exact 
size.
Of course if you have an Apple Store nearby you could simply go there as I am 
sure they have something similar to determine your strap size.

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Subject: Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?

Hello,

Looking at the Apple Store App and the section for ordering the new Apple Watch 
10 I see that some straps are listed with sizes one to twelve.  I can see no 
reference as to what these sizes actually mean.  So is one to twelve smallest 
to largest for instance?

Any suggestions welcome.
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Apple Watch 10 strap sizes question?

2024-09-11 Thread Malcolm Parfitt
Hello,

Looking at the Apple Store App and the section for ordering the new Apple Watch 
10 I see that some straps are listed with sizes one to twelve.  I can see no 
reference as to what these sizes actually mean.  So is one to twelve smallest 
to largest for instance?

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Re: Apple Watch 10 and playing audio over the external speakers

2024-09-11 Thread Malcolm Parfitt
Strangely enough, there is a radio streaming app called Streamlets That I have on my Apple Watch Series 7 that plays audio through the watch’s internal speaker, so it is possible although why other apps do not I don’t know.Malcolm ParfittOn 11 Sep 2024, at 6:06 am, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







I have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I really like the watch in terms of how responsive it is and especially the fact I get almost 3 days of battery life.
One thing I really wish, however, the Ultra 2 would get with the Watch OS 11 update is the ability to play audio via the watch speaker. I read that you can finally do this with the Apple Watch 10 and that it is because of the speaker design
 so most likely this means it won’t be something a mere software update wil lbring to the Apple Watch Ultra 2.
 






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Apple Watch 10 and playing audio over the external speakers

2024-09-10 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
I have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I really like the watch in terms of how 
responsive it is and especially the fact I get almost 3 days of battery life.
One thing I really wish, however, the Ultra 2 would get with the Watch OS 11 
update is the ability to play audio via the watch speaker. I read that you can 
finally do this with the Apple Watch 10 and that it is because of the speaker 
design so most likely this means it won't be something a mere software update 
wil lbring to the Apple Watch Ultra 2.

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RE: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

2024-09-10 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
I assume if you started music playing before on a Bluetooth headset and then 
turned on waterlock it would continue, never tried it because I have yet to 
find a waterproof headset I liked. As for Voiceover, no, with waterlock on the 
screen is locked so you have to press and hold the crow to remove the waterlock 
first before you can get anything out of Voiceover.
If the watch is wet and you have wet hands touch gestures are also a bit more 
hit and miss so often I wipe my watch on my bathing trunks even though they are 
also wet, but at least it removes any water droplets and if you then blow 
across the display for a second or two, it does at least make it a little 
better.
I haven’t yet really spend any time with a sighted person to ask what sort of 
information they see with waterlock on, but I assume they can see the workout 
screen just fine showing them how many lanes they did and all that. they

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara 
Stahl
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2024 6:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

So for clarification when you're swimming and you put the water lock on, you 
can't use VoiceOver at all not even to tell time. Can you still listen to music 
if you wanted to


On Sep 10, 2024, at 2:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Yes, and I find it very ridiculous that Apple does not allow for basic 
Voiceover output when waterlock is on.
In fact, even my Apple Watch Ultra 2 at 100% volume is not loud enough where I 
can really hear the details when I do a pool swim even if it’s only moderately 
noisy in the pool. I actually had ordered a bone conduduction headset similar 
to an Aftershokz which is waterproof from Amazon, but it just did not have a 
good fit and I returned it immediately. I saw that Shokz also makes a 
waterproof one which I think is called OpenSwim and I may just have to get 
that, of course the fact they have an “OpenCom”, an “OpenRun” and an “OpenSwim” 
is purely marketing, they just should make one version which is waterproof and 
be done with it.

And just for anybody who is interested, another pet peeve of mine is the fact 
that when I do a pool swim the app always counts one lane short, e.g. if I do 
40 laps it counts 39, but of course I know I have done 40 because I end up on 
the same side of the pool where I started which means it has to be an even 
number. We only have half an Olympic size pool with 25 meter lanes so if I 
start on the shallow end and swim down to the deep end that is my first lane, 
then I swim back to the shallow end and that is #2, I usually swim 1 Km which 
means I do 40 lanes or 20 times back and forth, but when I get back after the 
last one and then stop the work out it shows me that I did 39 lanes.


From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2024 3:37 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

When you have Water Lock on, you cannot use the screen, so no hearing VO anyway.
It is designed for swimmers who want to track their activity.
When you get out of the water, they say to dry it off before unlocking the 
water lock status.


Richard, USA
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca<mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca>
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2024 3:29 PM
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Subject: RE: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

Hi yes I agree I have a apple watch 6 and it still does what I want it to so it 
is doing me well. I can’t really understand the hole water lock thing and how 
would you hear vo when you where under water anyways? From Mich Verrier from 
New Liskeard Ontario Canada.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: September 9, 2024 3:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

The Apple Watch 10 sounds like it has a few good new features although even 
here I don’t see much of a reason to upgrade if you currently have a series 9 
watch.
I was very surprised that unless I am missing something, the only “upgrade” to 
the Apple Watch Ultra 2 is a few new colour options; I was expecting an Apple 
Watch Ultra 3 and I am very happy that my Ultra 2 I bought last year seems to 
still be the cutting edge.


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Amazon


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Fazil
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2024 8:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

Where can I get this from, please?
Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2024 11:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

I bought a third party Milanese loop for my Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I am very 
happy with it, of course it cost a fraction o fwhat Apple wants for their’s.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Chela 
Robles
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2024 12:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

I guess what I’m interested in is the Melanese loop since I already have an 
ultra. Sorry for any typos.
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 9, 2024, at 12:22 PM, Jessica Barr 
mailto:barr.jess...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have a Series 8 Apple Watch, and I'm trying to decide if it's worth 
upgrading to the Series 10. I'm tempted because of the thinner casing and the 
fact that I can't use the double tap feature that was introduced last year.
Jessica
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 9, 2024, at 3:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

The Apple Watch 10 sounds like it has a few good new features although even 
here I don’t see much of a reason to upgrade if you currently have a series 9 
watch.
I was very surprised that unless I am missing something, the only “upgrade” to 
the Apple Watch Ultra 2 is a few new colour options; I was expecting an Apple 
Watch Ultra 3 and I am very happy that my Ultra 2 I bought last year seems to 
still be the cutting edge.


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Re: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

2024-09-10 Thread Chela Robles
Tasikar Stainless Steel Watch Band, Compatible with Apple Watch Ultra 49mm, Premium Metal Replacement Strap with Case, Silvera.coSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 10, 2024, at 8:39 AM, Mohammad Fazil  wrote:







Where can I get this from, please?
Thanks!
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2024 11:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2


 
I bought a third party Milanese loop for my Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I am very happy with it, of course it cost a fraction o fwhat Apple wants for their’s.
 


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On Behalf Of Chela Robles
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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I guess what I’m interested in is the Melanese loop since I already have an ultra. Sorry for any typos.

Sent from my iPhone


 

On Sep 9, 2024, at 12:22 PM, Jessica Barr <barr.jess...@gmail.com> wrote:




I have a Series 8 Apple Watch, and I'm trying to decide if it's worth upgrading to the Series 10. I'm tempted because of the thinner casing and the fact that I can't use the double tap
 feature that was introduced last year.

Jessica 

Sent from my iPhone


 

On Sep 9, 2024, at 3:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:




 

The Apple Watch 10 sounds like it has a few good new features although even here I don’t see much of a reason to upgrade if you currently have a series 9 watch.
I was very surprised that unless I am missing something, the only “upgrade” to the Apple Watch Ultra 2 is a few new colour options; I was expecting an Apple Watch Ultra 3 and I am very happy that my Ultra 2 I bought last year seems to still
 be the cutting edge.
 
 
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RE: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

2024-09-10 Thread Mohammad Fazil
Where can I get this from, please?
Thanks!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2024 11:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

I bought a third party Milanese loop for my Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I am very 
happy with it, of course it cost a fraction o fwhat Apple wants for their’s.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Chela 
Robles
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2024 12:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

I guess what I’m interested in is the Melanese loop since I already have an 
ultra. Sorry for any typos.
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 9, 2024, at 12:22 PM, Jessica Barr 
mailto:barr.jess...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have a Series 8 Apple Watch, and I'm trying to decide if it's worth 
upgrading to the Series 10. I'm tempted because of the thinner casing and the 
fact that I can't use the double tap feature that was introduced last year.
Jessica
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 9, 2024, at 3:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

The Apple Watch 10 sounds like it has a few good new features although even 
here I don’t see much of a reason to upgrade if you currently have a series 9 
watch.
I was very surprised that unless I am missing something, the only “upgrade” to 
the Apple Watch Ultra 2 is a few new colour options; I was expecting an Apple 
Watch Ultra 3 and I am very happy that my Ultra 2 I bought last year seems to 
still be the cutting edge.


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Re: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

2024-09-10 Thread Chela Robles
Well, I found one for only 20 bucks not bad at all. I’m gonna snag it. It’s actually a case and band combo not bad at all. It’s by a company called Tasikar and it is on Amazon and comes in silver, starlight, gold, rosegold, blue and black. I'm getting black.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 10, 2024, at 6:41 AM, Barbara Stahl  wrote:So for clarification when you're swimming and you put the water lock on, you can't use VoiceOver at all not even to tell time. Can you still listen to music if you wanted toOn Sep 10, 2024, at 2:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







Yes, and I find it very ridiculous that Apple does not allow for basic Voiceover output when waterlock is on.
In fact, even my Apple Watch Ultra 2 at 100% volume is not loud enough where I can really hear the details when I do a pool swim even if it’s only moderately noisy in the pool. I actually had ordered a bone conduduction headset similar
 to an Aftershokz which is waterproof from Amazon, but it just did not have a good fit and I returned it immediately. I saw that Shokz also makes a waterproof one which I think is called OpenSwim and I may just have to get that, of course the fact they have
 an “OpenCom”, an “OpenRun” and an “OpenSwim” is purely marketing, they just should make one version which is waterproof and be done with it.
 
And just for anybody who is interested, another pet peeve of mine is the fact that when I do a pool swim the app always counts one lane short, e.g. if I do 40 laps it counts 39, but of course I know I have done 40 because I end up on the
 same side of the pool where I started which means it has to be an even number. We only have half an Olympic size pool with 25 meter lanes so if I start on the shallow end and swim down to the deep end that is my first lane, then I swim back to the shallow
 end and that is #2, I usually swim 1 Km which means I do 40 lanes or 20 times back and forth, but when I get back after the last one and then stop the work out it shows me that I did 39 lanes.
 
 


From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 

Sent: Monday, September 9, 2024 3:37 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2


 
When you have Water Lock on, you cannot use the screen, so no hearing VO anyway.
It is designed for swimmers who want to track their activity.
When you get out of the water, they say to dry it off before unlocking the water lock status.
 
 

Richard, USA
"INTROVERTS UNITE ...

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2024 3:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2


 
Hi yes I agree I have a apple watch 6 and it still does what I want it to so it is doing me well. I can’t really understand the hole water lock thing and how would you hear vo
 when you where under water anyways? From Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada.
 


From:
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On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: September 9, 2024 3:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2


 
The Apple Watch 10 sounds like it has a few good new features although even here I don’t see much of a reason to upgrade if you currently have a series 9 watch.
I was very surprised that unless I am missing something, the only “upgrade” to the Apple Watch Ultra 2 is a few new colour options; I was expecting an Apple Watch Ultra 3 and I am very happy that my Ultra 2 I bought last year seems to still
 be the cutting edge.
 
 
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2024-09-10 Thread Barbara Stahl
So for clarification when you're swimming and you put the water lock on, you can't use VoiceOver at all not even to tell time. Can you still listen to music if you wanted toOn Sep 10, 2024, at 2:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







Yes, and I find it very ridiculous that Apple does not allow for basic Voiceover output when waterlock is on.
In fact, even my Apple Watch Ultra 2 at 100% volume is not loud enough where I can really hear the details when I do a pool swim even if it’s only moderately noisy in the pool. I actually had ordered a bone conduduction headset similar
 to an Aftershokz which is waterproof from Amazon, but it just did not have a good fit and I returned it immediately. I saw that Shokz also makes a waterproof one which I think is called OpenSwim and I may just have to get that, of course the fact they have
 an “OpenCom”, an “OpenRun” and an “OpenSwim” is purely marketing, they just should make one version which is waterproof and be done with it.
 
And just for anybody who is interested, another pet peeve of mine is the fact that when I do a pool swim the app always counts one lane short, e.g. if I do 40 laps it counts 39, but of course I know I have done 40 because I end up on the
 same side of the pool where I started which means it has to be an even number. We only have half an Olympic size pool with 25 meter lanes so if I start on the shallow end and swim down to the deep end that is my first lane, then I swim back to the shallow
 end and that is #2, I usually swim 1 Km which means I do 40 lanes or 20 times back and forth, but when I get back after the last one and then stop the work out it shows me that I did 39 lanes.
 
 


From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 

Sent: Monday, September 9, 2024 3:37 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2


 
When you have Water Lock on, you cannot use the screen, so no hearing VO anyway.
It is designed for swimmers who want to track their activity.
When you get out of the water, they say to dry it off before unlocking the water lock status.
 
 

Richard, USA
"INTROVERTS UNITE ...

SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
-- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2024 3:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2


 
Hi yes I agree I have a apple watch 6 and it still does what I want it to so it is doing me well. I can’t really understand the hole water lock thing and how would you hear vo
 when you where under water anyways? From Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada.
 


From:
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On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: September 9, 2024 3:09 PM
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Subject: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2


 
The Apple Watch 10 sounds like it has a few good new features although even here I don’t see much of a reason to upgrade if you currently have a series 9 watch.
I was very surprised that unless I am missing something, the only “upgrade” to the Apple Watch Ultra 2 is a few new colour options; I was expecting an Apple Watch Ultra 3 and I am very happy that my Ultra 2 I bought last year seems to still
 be the cutting edge.
 
 
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RE: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

2024-09-09 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Yes, and I find it very ridiculous that Apple does not allow for basic 
Voiceover output when waterlock is on.
In fact, even my Apple Watch Ultra 2 at 100% volume is not loud enough where I 
can really hear the details when I do a pool swim even if it’s only moderately 
noisy in the pool. I actually had ordered a bone conduduction headset similar 
to an Aftershokz which is waterproof from Amazon, but it just did not have a 
good fit and I returned it immediately. I saw that Shokz also makes a 
waterproof one which I think is called OpenSwim and I may just have to get 
that, of course the fact they have an “OpenCom”, an “OpenRun” and an “OpenSwim” 
is purely marketing, they just should make one version which is waterproof and 
be done with it.

And just for anybody who is interested, another pet peeve of mine is the fact 
that when I do a pool swim the app always counts one lane short, e.g. if I do 
40 laps it counts 39, but of course I know I have done 40 because I end up on 
the same side of the pool where I started which means it has to be an even 
number. We only have half an Olympic size pool with 25 meter lanes so if I 
start on the shallow end and swim down to the deep end that is my first lane, 
then I swim back to the shallow end and that is #2, I usually swim 1 Km which 
means I do 40 lanes or 20 times back and forth, but when I get back after the 
last one and then stop the work out it shows me that I did 39 lanes.


From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2024 3:37 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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When you have Water Lock on, you cannot use the screen, so no hearing VO anyway.
It is designed for swimmers who want to track their activity.
When you get out of the water, they say to dry it off before unlocking the 
water lock status.


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Hi yes I agree I have a apple watch 6 and it still does what I want it to so it 
is doing me well. I can’t really understand the hole water lock thing and how 
would you hear vo when you where under water anyways? From Mich Verrier from 
New Liskeard Ontario Canada.

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Subject: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

The Apple Watch 10 sounds like it has a few good new features although even 
here I don’t see much of a reason to upgrade if you currently have a series 9 
watch.
I was very surprised that unless I am missing something, the only “upgrade” to 
the Apple Watch Ultra 2 is a few new colour options; I was expecting an Apple 
Watch Ultra 3 and I am very happy that my Ultra 2 I bought last year seems to 
still be the cutting edge.


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RE: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

2024-09-09 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
I bought a third party Milanese loop for my Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I am very 
happy with it, of course it cost a fraction o fwhat Apple wants for their’s.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chela 
Robles
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2024 12:37 PM
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I guess what I’m interested in is the Melanese loop since I already have an 
ultra. Sorry for any typos.
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 9, 2024, at 12:22 PM, Jessica Barr  wrote:
I have a Series 8 Apple Watch, and I'm trying to decide if it's worth 
upgrading to the Series 10. I'm tempted because of the thinner casing and the 
fact that I can't use the double tap feature that was introduced last year.
Jessica
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 9, 2024, at 3:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

The Apple Watch 10 sounds like it has a few good new features although even 
here I don’t see much of a reason to upgrade if you currently have a series 9 
watch.
I was very surprised that unless I am missing something, the only “upgrade” to 
the Apple Watch Ultra 2 is a few new colour options; I was expecting an Apple 
Watch Ultra 3 and I am very happy that my Ultra 2 I bought last year seems to 
still be the cutting edge.


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From Applevis, iPhone 16, Apple Watch Series 10, and New AirPods: Recap of Apple's "It's Glowtime"

2024-09-09 Thread 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone
The link to the Applevis blog follows the text.


iPhone 16, Apple Watch Series 10, and New AirPods: Recap of Apple's "It's
Glowtime" September Event


Intro


Today's Apple announcements, at an event entitled "It's Glowtime", were
exactly what many of us expected: new iPhones, Apple Watches, and AirPods.
We also got a release day for all the big software updates. watchOS, iOS,
iPadOS, tvOS, and macOS will all get their big upgrades on Monday, September
16.

TL;DR:

*   Apple Watch Series 10 is a bit thinner (9.7mm) than Series 9, and
comes in at larger screen sizes (42mm and 46mm). The screen is brighter when
viewed at an angle and updates faster in Always On Display mode. Sleep apnea
detection is the headline feature and comes to the Series 9 as well.
Stainless steel is out, titanium is in. It can survive more water, so has
the same water pressure and temperature sensing that the Ultra has. The
Ultra now comes in black but is otherwise unchanged.
*   AirPods: new AirPods 4 have a speaker in the case, nodding and
head-shaking detection for responding to Siri, and other features that used
to be only in the Pro line. They cost $129. A more expensive model with
active noise cancellation and other Pro-only features is also available, for
$179. Yes, that's ANC, conversation mode, transparency mode, and other
features on AirPods without ear-sealing tips. AirPods Pro 2 get a hearing
aid feature that boosts problematic frequencies for you, which are
determined through a new hearing test in iOS 18.
*   iPhone 16 has better cameras, the same screen, better durability,
faster chip, wifi 7, and new buttons. The Action button from iPhone 15 Pro
is on the 16, as is the new camera control button. This is a flat area of
the bezel you can press to open your favorite camera app, lightly press to
lock focus or bring up controls, firmly press to take a picture, or swipe
side to side to control zoom or move through controls.
*   iPhone 16 Pro has all the same updates as iPhone 16. It has an even
faster chip optimized for AI and machine learning tasks, a bunch of features
for videographers, better cameras, and better microphones.


iPhone


Let's start with iPhone, even if Apple kept this for the end of their
presentation.

To no one's surprise, this year's iPhones are the best yet, with the best
cameras and screens. One neat change is Ceramic Shield, which was upgraded
to be 50% more durable than in previous years. Anything that makes my phone
tougher is a good thing in my book. As usual, I'll skip over most of the
camera stuff, but the way the cameras are controlled now is actually really
cool.

All of the new phones have what Apple calls the camera control button. This
is a flat area on the side of the phone surrounded by a border of metal. It
is pressure-sensitive and uses haptic feedback, but isn't actually a button.
It acts a lot like a modern MacBook trackpad, or the home button in iPhone 7
and 8. You can press it to open your favorite camera app. Once that opens,
you can lightly press to lock focus, slide a finger sideways to change the
focus or zoom, firmly press to take a picture, and more. Apps can customize
the various gestures and presses for this button. In one app, a double light
press might open more camera controls, while in another, sliding might
switch between camera lenses instead of changing the zoom level. It sounds
like a powerful new tool for apps to play with.

If you press and hold the camera control button, something interesting
happens. Your phone will take a picture, then use onboard and internet
intelligence to look it up. If you take a picture of a dog, you'll see
information about the dog breed. If you took a picture of a restaurant,
you'll get hours of operation and reviews. You get the idea. This is
essentially a web and AI search of the real world, available by simply
long-pressing one button.

All iPhone 16 models also get the action button. Last year, only iPhone 15
Pro got this, so it's great to see that the base model iPhone 16 isn't left
out this time. For those unfamiliar, this button replaces the mute switch.
By default, it simply toggles between mute and ring modes, just like the
switch did. However, you can customize it to perform various default
actions, such as toggling the flashlight or opening an app. You can even
assign a shortcut to run when the button is pressed, letting you do things
like run one action if you're at home, another if it's night time, and
another if your battery is low.

Charging speeds have improved, at least if you get the new MagSafe chargers.
All iPhone 16 models can now charge up to 25W with the latest MagSafe. Qi 2
and the previous MagSafe both top out at 15W on iPhone, so this is quite the
increase. Note that the newest MagSafe chargers will still work with older
devices, they just won't go as fast as they can with iPhone 16. Once

RE: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

2024-09-09 Thread 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone
When you have Water Lock on, you cannot use the screen, so no hearing VO anyway.

It is designed for swimmers who want to track their activity.

When you get out of the water, they say to dry it off before unlocking the 
water lock status.

 

 

Richard, USA

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SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"

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Hi yes I agree I have a apple watch 6 and it still does what I want it to so it 
is doing me well. I can’t really understand the hole water lock thing and how 
would you hear vo when you where under water anyways? From Mich Verrier from 
New Liskeard Ontario Canada.

 

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: September 9, 2024 3:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

 

The Apple Watch 10 sounds like it has a few good new features although even 
here I don’t see much of a reason to upgrade if you currently have a series 9 
watch.

I was very surprised that unless I am missing something, the only “upgrade” to 
the Apple Watch Ultra 2 is a few new colour options; I was expecting an Apple 
Watch Ultra 3 and I am very happy that my Ultra 2 I bought last year seems to 
still be the cutting edge.

 

 

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RE: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

2024-09-09 Thread michv
Hi yes I agree I have a apple watch 6 and it still does what I want it to so it 
is doing me well. I can’t really understand the hole water lock thing and how 
would you hear vo when you where under water anyways? From Mich Verrier from 
New Liskeard Ontario Canada.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 9, 2024 3:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

 

The Apple Watch 10 sounds like it has a few good new features although even 
here I don’t see much of a reason to upgrade if you currently have a series 9 
watch.

I was very surprised that unless I am missing something, the only “upgrade” to 
the Apple Watch Ultra 2 is a few new colour options; I was expecting an Apple 
Watch Ultra 3 and I am very happy that my Ultra 2 I bought last year seems to 
still be the cutting edge.

 

 

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Re: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

2024-09-09 Thread Chela Robles
I guess what I’m interested in is the Melanese loop since I already have an ultra. Sorry for any typos.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 9, 2024, at 12:22 PM, Jessica Barr  wrote:I have a Series 8 Apple Watch, and I'm trying to decide if it's worth upgrading to the Series 10. I'm tempted because of the thinner casing and the fact that I can't use the double tap feature that was introduced last year.Jessica Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 9, 2024, at 3:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







The Apple Watch 10 sounds like it has a few good new features although even here I don’t see much of a reason to upgrade if you currently have a series 9 watch.
I was very surprised that unless I am missing something, the only “upgrade” to the Apple Watch Ultra 2 is a few new colour options; I was expecting an Apple Watch Ultra 3 and I am very happy that my Ultra 2 I bought last year seems to still
 be the cutting edge.
 
 






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Re: Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

2024-09-09 Thread Jessica Barr
I have a Series 8 Apple Watch, and I'm trying to decide if it's worth upgrading to the Series 10. I'm tempted because of the thinner casing and the fact that I can't use the double tap feature that was introduced last year.Jessica Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 9, 2024, at 3:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







The Apple Watch 10 sounds like it has a few good new features although even here I don’t see much of a reason to upgrade if you currently have a series 9 watch.
I was very surprised that unless I am missing something, the only “upgrade” to the Apple Watch Ultra 2 is a few new colour options; I was expecting an Apple Watch Ultra 3 and I am very happy that my Ultra 2 I bought last year seems to still
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Apple Watch 10 and "new" Ultra 2

2024-09-09 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
The Apple Watch 10 sounds like it has a few good new features although even 
here I don't see much of a reason to upgrade if you currently have a series 9 
watch.
I was very surprised that unless I am missing something, the only "upgrade" to 
the Apple Watch Ultra 2 is a few new colour options; I was expecting an Apple 
Watch Ultra 3 and I am very happy that my Ultra 2 I bought last year seems to 
still be the cutting edge.


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RE: Recent strange behaviour with my Apple Watch Series 7.

2024-09-04 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Almost sounds like maybe the side button is stuck?

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Subject: Recent strange behaviour with my Apple Watch Series 7.

Hello,

I have an Apple Watch Series 7 running watchOS Version 11.0 (22R5348a).

Recently it has been behaving rather oddly.

For no apparent reason the watch will bring up the power off screen, and double 
tapping Cancel dismisses that screen only to reappear seconds later.

If I press the Digital Crown rather than bringing up the list of apps on the 
watch it too brings up the power off screen.

Has anyone ever experienced such an issue and if so how did you resolve it?

I have reset the watch, restored from a backup and set it up as a new device 
but periodically the issue described above will reoccur.

If it’s a hardware problem as I suspect it is than an upgrade later this month 
may be my wisest choice.
Malcolm Parfitt

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Re: Recent strange behaviour with my Apple Watch Series 7.

2024-09-02 Thread Jonathan Cohn
The only time I see this message is when the digital crown is pressed for a 
couple seconds. So, either you are running into a defect or the crown is being 
accidentally pressed by a movement you are making.


> On Sep 2, 2024, at 11:32 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have an Apple Watch Series 7 running watchOS Version 11.0 (22R5348a).
> 
> Recently it has been behaving rather oddly.
> 
> For no apparent reason the watch will bring up the power off screen, and 
> double tapping Cancel dismisses that screen only to reappear seconds later.
> 
> If I press the Digital Crown rather than bringing up the list of apps on the 
> watch it too brings up the power off screen.
> 
> Has anyone ever experienced such an issue and if so how did you resolve it?
> 
> I have reset the watch, restored from a backup and set it up as a new device 
> but periodically the issue described above will reoccur.
> 
> If it’s a hardware problem as I suspect it is then an upgrade later this 
> month may be my wisest choice.
> Malcolm Parfitt
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Recent strange behaviour with my Apple Watch Series 7.

2024-09-02 Thread Malcolm Parfitt
Hello,

I have an Apple Watch Series 7 running watchOS Version 11.0 (22R5348a).

Recently it has been behaving rather oddly.

For no apparent reason the watch will bring up the power off screen, and double 
tapping Cancel dismisses that screen only to reappear seconds later.

If I press the Digital Crown rather than bringing up the list of apps on the 
watch it too brings up the power off screen.

Has anyone ever experienced such an issue and if so how did you resolve it?

I have reset the watch, restored from a backup and set it up as a new device 
but periodically the issue described above will reoccur.

If it’s a hardware problem as I suspect it is than an upgrade later this month 
may be my wisest choice.
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Re: How To Play a Playlist, Apple Music Station, or the Result of Any Apple Music Query Directly from the iOS Home Screen and / or Apple Watch

2024-06-26 Thread VIPhone
Thank you so much for your very kind reply, Keith.  You really made my day 
(smile).

Sincerely,

Mark

On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 11:35:10 AM UTC-7 Keith Kramlinger wrote:

> Mark, wow!! This is a fantastic description of how to use the Shortcuts 
> app for this purpose. I have never found an equally thorough and clear 
> description of how to use the Shortcuts app. I will keep this message 
> forever and use it regularly.
> Thanks again. Keith
>
>
> On Jun 26, 2024, at 12:31 AM, VIPhone  wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
>
>
> The result of the following steps will allow you to immediately play any 
> playlist, Apple Music station, or the result of any Apple Music query, 
> directly from your iOS home screen and / or Apple Watch
>
> I am assuming that you are already familiar with the basic UI of the iOS 
> Shortcuts app in the latest version of iOS.
>
> Also, in order for this to work, as I describe, you must have an Apple 
> Music subscription.
>
> Here we go:
>
> 1.
> Ask Siri to play some kind of music that you know you will want to hear in 
> the future.  For example, 1970s love songs, 1980s R&B Workout music, happy 
> songs from the 1990s, top soft rock music from Rod Stuart, or KCBS news 
> radio, etc.  It doesn’t matter just as long as the result is what you want 
> to hear.  The reason for this is so that Apple music will place your 
> inquiry into the recently played area of the Apple Music app.
>
> 2.
> Open the Shortcuts app.
>
> 3.
> Select Create Shortcut.
>
> 4.
> From the Add Action menu, select Play Music and add it to your shortcut. 
>  This will be the only action in the shortcut.
>
> 5.
> Place Voice Over focus on the action and swipe up until you land on “Edit, 
> Play Music”, then single-finger, double-tap in order to activate this 
> option.
>
> 6.
> Select Home.  This will take you to the Home area of your Apple Music App 
> UI, which will launch inside the Shortcuts app.
>
> 7.
> In the Recently Played area, you will see your latest inquiry.  Select it. 
>  Doing this will close the Apple Music UI and return you to the Shortcuts 
> app.  This may take a few seconds so give it time.
>
> 8.
> If you place VO focus on the single action of the shortcut, you will now 
> hear VO announce the action with the name of the query you selected in the 
> above step such as, “Play, 1980s music for working out.” 
>
> Essentially, the shortcut is complete.  The next steps simply allow you to 
> rename the shortcut and save it to your home screen and/or Apple Watch. 
>  Understand that there are several ways to accomplish this but I’m only 
> going to list what I think is the least confusing for novice shortcut 
> creators.
>
> 9.
> Select Done.  This will close the shortcut and place you back in a list of 
> all of the shortcuts currently installed on your device.  Assuming that you 
> followed the steps above, your new shortcut defaults to the name, “Play 
> Music,” followed by the number of actions in the shortcut.
>
> 10.
> With VO focused on your new Shortcut in the Shortcuts list area, 
> single-finger swipe up until you hear, “Edit Shortcut,” and select the 
> option.  This will place you back in the Shortcuts editor with the 
> shortcut, in question, opened.
>
> 11.
> Single-finger swipe until VO focus lands on the Done button.  Do not 
> activate this button.  
>
> 12.
> Swipe to the left until VO lands on, “Play Music, Actions Menu, Button.”
>
> 13.
> Activate this button.  A menu will open with several useful options 
> including, Share, Rename, Choose Icon, Duplicate, Move, Add to Home Screen, 
> and Export File.
>
> 14.
> I suggest that you first choose to rename the shortcut to the name of the 
> station, playlist, etc., that describes the music the shortcut will play. 
>  Once this has been done, then select the option to add the Shortcut to the 
> Home screen and then you will be good to go.
>
> Now, whenever you want to listen to the station designated in the 
> shortcut, simply activate it from your IOS home screen and it will 
> immediately begin to play without launching the Apple Music app.
>
> Mark
>
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Re: How To Play a Playlist, Apple Music Station, or the Result of Any Apple Music Query Directly from the iOS Home Screen and / or Apple Watch

2024-06-26 Thread VIPhone
Hello Keith and thank you so much for your very kind reply.  You really 
made my day (smile).

Sincerely,

Mark

On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 11:35:10 AM UTC-7 Keith Kramlinger wrote:

> Mark, wow!! This is a fantastic description of how to use the Shortcuts 
> app for this purpose. I have never found an equally thorough and clear 
> description of how to use the Shortcuts app. I will keep this message 
> forever and use it regularly.
> Thanks again. Keith
>
>
> On Jun 26, 2024, at 12:31 AM, VIPhone  wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
>
>
> The result of the following steps will allow you to immediately play any 
> playlist, Apple Music station, or the result of any Apple Music query, 
> directly from your iOS home screen and / or Apple Watch
>
> I am assuming that you are already familiar with the basic UI of the iOS 
> Shortcuts app in the latest version of iOS.
>
> Also, in order for this to work, as I describe, you must have an Apple 
> Music subscription.
>
> Here we go:
>
> 1.
> Ask Siri to play some kind of music that you know you will want to hear in 
> the future.  For example, 1970s love songs, 1980s R&B Workout music, happy 
> songs from the 1990s, top soft rock music from Rod Stuart, or KCBS news 
> radio, etc.  It doesn’t matter just as long as the result is what you want 
> to hear.  The reason for this is so that Apple music will place your 
> inquiry into the recently played area of the Apple Music app.
>
> 2.
> Open the Shortcuts app.
>
> 3.
> Select Create Shortcut.
>
> 4.
> From the Add Action menu, select Play Music and add it to your shortcut. 
>  This will be the only action in the shortcut.
>
> 5.
> Place Voice Over focus on the action and swipe up until you land on “Edit, 
> Play Music”, then single-finger, double-tap in order to activate this 
> option.
>
> 6.
> Select Home.  This will take you to the Home area of your Apple Music App 
> UI, which will launch inside the Shortcuts app.
>
> 7.
> In the Recently Played area, you will see your latest inquiry.  Select it. 
>  Doing this will close the Apple Music UI and return you to the Shortcuts 
> app.  This may take a few seconds so give it time.
>
> 8.
> If you place VO focus on the single action of the shortcut, you will now 
> hear VO announce the action with the name of the query you selected in the 
> above step such as, “Play, 1980s music for working out.” 
>
> Essentially, the shortcut is complete.  The next steps simply allow you to 
> rename the shortcut and save it to your home screen and/or Apple Watch. 
>  Understand that there are several ways to accomplish this but I’m only 
> going to list what I think is the least confusing for novice shortcut 
> creators.
>
> 9.
> Select Done.  This will close the shortcut and place you back in a list of 
> all of the shortcuts currently installed on your device.  Assuming that you 
> followed the steps above, your new shortcut defaults to the name, “Play 
> Music,” followed by the number of actions in the shortcut.
>
> 10.
> With VO focused on your new Shortcut in the Shortcuts list area, 
> single-finger swipe up until you hear, “Edit Shortcut,” and select the 
> option.  This will place you back in the Shortcuts editor with the 
> shortcut, in question, opened.
>
> 11.
> Single-finger swipe until VO focus lands on the Done button.  Do not 
> activate this button.  
>
> 12.
> Swipe to the left until VO lands on, “Play Music, Actions Menu, Button.”
>
> 13.
> Activate this button.  A menu will open with several useful options 
> including, Share, Rename, Choose Icon, Duplicate, Move, Add to Home Screen, 
> and Export File.
>
> 14.
> I suggest that you first choose to rename the shortcut to the name of the 
> station, playlist, etc., that describes the music the shortcut will play. 
>  Once this has been done, then select the option to add the Shortcut to the 
> Home screen and then you will be good to go.
>
> Now, whenever you want to listen to the station designated in the 
> shortcut, simply activate it from your IOS home screen and it will 
> immediately begin to play without launching the Apple Music app.
>
> Mark
>
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Re: How To Play a Playlist, Apple Music Station, or the Result of Any Apple Music Query Directly from the iOS Home Screen and / or Apple Watch

2024-06-26 Thread Keith Kramlinger
Mark, wow!! This is a fantastic description of how to use the Shortcuts app for 
this purpose. I have never found an equally thorough and clear description of 
how to use the Shortcuts app. I will keep this message forever and use it 
regularly.
Thanks again. Keith


On Jun 26, 2024, at 12:31 AM, VIPhone  wrote:

Hello Everyone,

The result of the following steps will allow you to immediately play any 
playlist, Apple Music station, or the result of any Apple Music query, directly 
from your iOS home screen and / or Apple Watch

I am assuming that you are already familiar with the basic UI of the iOS 
Shortcuts app in the latest version of iOS.

Also, in order for this to work, as I describe, you must have an Apple Music 
subscription.

Here we go:

1.
Ask Siri to play some kind of music that you know you will want to hear in the 
future.  For example, 1970s love songs, 1980s R&B Workout music, happy songs 
from the 1990s, top soft rock music from Rod Stuart, or KCBS news radio, etc.  
It doesn’t matter just as long as the result is what you want to hear.  The 
reason for this is so that Apple music will place your inquiry into the 
recently played area of the Apple Music app.

2.
Open the Shortcuts app.

3.
Select Create Shortcut.

4.
>From the Add Action menu, select Play Music and add it to your shortcut.  This 
>will be the only action in the shortcut.

5.
Place Voice Over focus on the action and swipe up until you land on “Edit, Play 
Music”, then single-finger, double-tap in order to activate this option.

6.
Select Home.  This will take you to the Home area of your Apple Music App UI, 
which will launch inside the Shortcuts app.

7.
In the Recently Played area, you will see your latest inquiry.  Select it.  
Doing this will close the Apple Music UI and return you to the Shortcuts app.  
This may take a few seconds so give it time.

8.
If you place VO focus on the single action of the shortcut, you will now hear 
VO announce the action with the name of the query you selected in the above 
step such as, “Play, 1980s music for working out.”

Essentially, the shortcut is complete.  The next steps simply allow you to 
rename the shortcut and save it to your home screen and/or Apple Watch.  
Understand that there are several ways to accomplish this but I’m only going to 
list what I think is the least confusing for novice shortcut creators.

9.
Select Done.  This will close the shortcut and place you back in a list of all 
of the shortcuts currently installed on your device.  Assuming that you 
followed the steps above, your new shortcut defaults to the name, “Play Music,” 
followed by the number of actions in the shortcut.

10.
With VO focused on your new Shortcut in the Shortcuts list area, single-finger 
swipe up until you hear, “Edit Shortcut,” and select the option.  This will 
place you back in the Shortcuts editor with the shortcut, in question, opened.

11.
Single-finger swipe until VO focus lands on the Done button.  Do not activate 
this button.

12.
Swipe to the left until VO lands on, “Play Music, Actions Menu, Button.”

13.
Activate this button.  A menu will open with several useful options including, 
Share, Rename, Choose Icon, Duplicate, Move, Add to Home Screen, and Export 
File.

14.
I suggest that you first choose to rename the shortcut to the name of the 
station, playlist, etc., that describes the music the shortcut will play.  Once 
this has been done, then select the option to add the Shortcut to the Home 
screen and then you will be good to go.

Now, whenever you want to listen to the station designated in the shortcut, 
simply activate it from your IOS home screen and it will immediately begin to 
play without launching the Apple Music app.

Mark


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How To Play a Playlist, Apple Music Station, or the Result of Any Apple Music Query Directly from the iOS Home Screen and / or Apple Watch

2024-06-25 Thread VIPhone
Hello Everyone,

The result of the following steps will allow you to immediately play any 
playlist, Apple Music station, or the result of any Apple Music query, 
directly from your iOS home screen and / or Apple Watch

I am assuming that you are already familiar with the basic UI of the iOS 
Shortcuts app in the latest version of iOS.

Also, in order for this to work, as I describe, you must have an Apple 
Music subscription.

Here we go:

1.
Ask Siri to play some kind of music that you know you will want to hear in 
the future.  For example, 1970s love songs, 1980s R&B Workout music, happy 
songs from the 1990s, top soft rock music from Rod Stuart, or KCBS news 
radio, etc.  It doesn’t matter just as long as the result is what you want 
to hear.  The reason for this is so that Apple music will place your 
inquiry into the recently played area of the Apple Music app.

2.
Open the Shortcuts app.

3.
Select Create Shortcut.

4.
>From the Add Action menu, select Play Music and add it to your shortcut. 
 This will be the only action in the shortcut.

5.
Place Voice Over focus on the action and swipe up until you land on “Edit, 
Play Music”, then single-finger, double-tap in order to activate this 
option.

6.
Select Home.  This will take you to the Home area of your Apple Music App 
UI, which will launch inside the Shortcuts app.

7.
In the Recently Played area, you will see your latest inquiry.  Select it. 
 Doing this will close the Apple Music UI and return you to the Shortcuts 
app.  This may take a few seconds so give it time.

8.
If you place VO focus on the single action of the shortcut, you will now 
hear VO announce the action with the name of the query you selected in the 
above step such as, “Play, 1980s music for working out.” 

Essentially, the shortcut is complete.  The next steps simply allow you to 
rename the shortcut and save it to your home screen and/or Apple Watch. 
 Understand that there are several ways to accomplish this but I’m only 
going to list what I think is the least confusing for novice shortcut 
creators.

9.
Select Done.  This will close the shortcut and place you back in a list of 
all of the shortcuts currently installed on your device.  Assuming that you 
followed the steps above, your new shortcut defaults to the name, “Play 
Music,” followed by the number of actions in the shortcut.

10.
With VO focused on your new Shortcut in the Shortcuts list area, 
single-finger swipe up until you hear, “Edit Shortcut,” and select the 
option.  This will place you back in the Shortcuts editor with the 
shortcut, in question, opened.

11.
Single-finger swipe until VO focus lands on the Done button.  Do not 
activate this button.  

12.
Swipe to the left until VO lands on, “Play Music, Actions Menu, Button.”

13.
Activate this button.  A menu will open with several useful options 
including, Share, Rename, Choose Icon, Duplicate, Move, Add to Home Screen, 
and Export File.

14.
I suggest that you first choose to rename the shortcut to the name of the 
station, playlist, etc., that describes the music the shortcut will play. 
 Once this has been done, then select the option to add the Shortcut to the 
Home screen and then you will be good to go.

Now, whenever you want to listen to the station designated in the shortcut, 
simply activate it from your IOS home screen and it will immediately begin 
to play without launching the Apple Music app.

Mark

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Re: apple watch typing

2024-06-19 Thread Robert Doc Wright
I tried that first and Apple watch ID was grayed out.
  - Original Message - 
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  Subject: Re: apple watch typing




  First, I would try signing in using the watch app on your iphone.
  Open Watch App.
  Swipe and double tap General.
  Swipe and double tap on Apple ID.
  You should be able to sign in there.
  Afterwards, restart Apple watch.  This should sync with your watch.


  There is also a flick type keyboard for the Apple Watch.  It is still not 
the easiest thing to use since the screen is so small, but you can also 
download that app to your watch to use in the future.


  Hope this helps.


  Chris




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My watch wants me to type in my ID. I cannot find a keyboard. My phone 
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Re: apple watch typing

2024-06-19 Thread Chris Chaffin
First, I would try signing in using the watch app on your iphone.Open Watch App.Swipe and double tap General.Swipe and double tap on Apple ID.You should be able to sign in there.Afterwards, restart Apple watch.  This should sync with your watch.There is also a flick type keyboard for the Apple Watch.  It is still not the easiest thing to use since the screen is so small, but you can also download that app to your watch to use in the future.Hope this helps.ChrisOn Jun 19, 2024, at 8:01 AM, Robert Doc Wright  wrote:






My watch wants me to type in my ID. I cannot find a 
keyboard. My phone states that I can use my iOS on screen keyboard but there is 
not one there. Am I to turn on something in accessibility?
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right away but I'm willing to wait on the blessing he has in store for 
me!
 
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apple watch typing

2024-06-19 Thread Robert Doc Wright
My watch wants me to type in my ID. I cannot find a keyboard. My phone 
states that I can use my iOS on screen keyboard but there is not one there. 
Am I to turn on something in accessibility?
**
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RE: Pinch Gesture On Apple Watch Ultra 2

2024-05-06 Thread Edward Przybylek
Hi all,

 

I’ve played with my watch trying to get the pinch gesture to work since my 
original post.  I’ve played with several arm and hand positions such as keeping 
my arm parallel and perpendicular to the floor, using my wrist at various 
angles, trying to use different finger combinations and using different parts 
of the fingers being used to perform the pinch gesture.  I’m finally able to 
get the gesture to work about 80  to 85 percent of the time.  I use my index 
finger and thumb to form the letter “O” and then tap the very tips of those 
fingers to perform the pinch gesture.  As  I said , this works most of the 
time.  Anyone with longer fingernails may have some trouble tapping the tips of 
their fingers together.  I hope I’m explaining myself clearly but, if not , 
please reply to this post and I’ll try to do a better job.  Thank you.

 

Take care,

Ed Przybylek

 

From: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2024 4:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pinch Gesture On Apple Watch Ultra 2

 

Hi,

It doesn't work on my Ultra 2  either, however interestingly it does appear to 
work on my wife's series 9  with Voiceover running!

Gary

 

On 01/05/2024 06:03, Chela Robles wrote:

Same here and I own the original ultra.

Sent from my iPhone





On Apr 30, 2024, at 5:33 PM, Tai Tomasi  <mailto:tai.toma...@gmail.com> 
 wrote:

I can confirm that I too am unable to get this to work using voiceover.

Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A. 

Email: tai.toma...@gmail.com <mailto:tai.toma...@gmail.com> 

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On Apr 30, 2024, at 5:32 PM, Edward Przybylek  
<mailto:przy5...@rochester.rr.com>  wrote:

 

Hi all,

 

I’ve been trying to turn on pinch gestures on my Apple watch Ultra 2.  So far, 
no luck.  I called Apple accessibility support and, after half an hour, the 
representative told me she didn’t believe the feature works when using 
VoiceOver at the same time.  I thought I’d write to the list and see if this is 
the case.  Has anyone gotten this feature to work?  If so, could you please 
pass on any tips you have that might get the pinch and other gestures working 
on my watch.  As always, any help is greatly appreciated.

 

Take care,

Ed Przybylek

 

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Re: Pinch Gesture On Apple Watch Ultra 2

2024-05-01 Thread 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone

Hi,

It doesn't work on my Ultra 2  either, however interestingly it does 
appear to work on my wife's series 9  with Voiceover running!


Gary


On 01/05/2024 06:03, Chela Robles wrote:

Same here and I own the original ultra.
Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 30, 2024, at 5:33 PM, Tai Tomasi  wrote:

I can confirm that I too am unable to get this to work using voiceover.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
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Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

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Hi all,

I’ve been trying to turn on pinch gestures on my Apple watch Ultra 
2.  So far, no luck. I called Apple accessibility support and, after 
half an hour, the representative told me she didn’t believe the 
feature works when using VoiceOver at the same time.  I thought I’d 
write to the list and see if this is the case.  Has anyone gotten 
this feature to work? If so, could you please pass on any tips you 
have that might get the pinch and other gestures working on my 
watch.  As always, any help is greatly appreciated.


Take care,

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Re: Pinch Gesture On Apple Watch Ultra 2

2024-04-30 Thread Chela Robles
Same here and I own the original ultra.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 30, 2024, at 5:33 PM, Tai Tomasi  wrote:I can confirm that I too am unable to get this to work using voiceover.Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.Email: tai.toma...@gmail.comSent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.On Apr 30, 2024, at 5:32 PM, Edward Przybylek  wrote:Hi all, I’ve been trying to turn on pinch gestures on my Apple watch Ultra 2.  So far, no luck.  I called Apple accessibility support and, after half an hour, the representative told me she didn’t believe the feature works when using VoiceOver at the same time.  I thought I’d write to the list and see if this is the case.  Has anyone gotten this feature to work?  If so, could you please pass on any tips you have that might get the pinch and other gestures working on my watch.  As always, any help is greatly appreciated. Take care,Ed Przybylek 



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Re: Pinch Gesture On Apple Watch Ultra 2

2024-04-30 Thread Tai Tomasi
I can confirm that I too am unable to get this to work using voiceover.Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.Email: tai.toma...@gmail.comSent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.On Apr 30, 2024, at 5:32 PM, Edward Przybylek  wrote:Hi all, I’ve been trying to turn on pinch gestures on my Apple watch Ultra 2.  So far, no luck.  I called Apple accessibility support and, after half an hour, the representative told me she didn’t believe the feature works when using VoiceOver at the same time.  I thought I’d write to the list and see if this is the case.  Has anyone gotten this feature to work?  If so, could you please pass on any tips you have that might get the pinch and other gestures working on my watch.  As always, any help is greatly appreciated. Take care,Ed Przybylek 



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Pinch Gesture On Apple Watch Ultra 2

2024-04-30 Thread Edward Przybylek
Hi all,

 

I've been trying to turn on pinch gestures on my Apple watch Ultra 2.  So
far, no luck.  I called Apple accessibility support and, after half an hour,
the representative told me she didn't believe the feature works when using
VoiceOver at the same time.  I thought I'd write to the list and see if this
is the case.  Has anyone gotten this feature to work?  If so, could you
please pass on any tips you have that might get the pinch and other gestures
working on my watch.  As always, any help is greatly appreciated.

 

Take care,

Ed Przybylek

 

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Re: Question: What is the VoiceOver Gesture to Change Apple Watch Faces, on the Fly?

2024-03-22 Thread Diane Giannetti
You are welcome, Richard glad I could help
Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Mar 21, 2024, at 8:10 PM, Kathy Blackburn  wrote:
> 
> I swipe left or right with three fingers to change from one watch face to 
> another. However, it doesn't work consistently, however.
> 
> Kathy Blackburn
> ,kblac...@austin.rr.comOn Mar 21, 2024 5:12 PM, Richard Turner 
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Diane,
>> I'm not Mark, but going to the clock setting on the watch the first item is 
>> swipe to switch watch face, which was off.  Turning it on makes it possible 
>> to change watch faces with a two finger swipe left or right.
>> Thank you.
>> I doubt I would have found it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you."
>> -- Wolfgang Von Goethe
>> 
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Diane 
>> Giannetti
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 8:41 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Question: What is the VoiceOver Gesture to Change Apple Watch 
>> Faces, on the Fly?
>> 
>> Hi Mark. What you need to do, go to settings on your watch, then go to 
>> Clock, then it should be swipe over to where it says something about switch 
>> face something on off switch it to be on it switch something face hold on 
>> let me see if I can find it quickly Swipe to face and yours probably says 
>> off so put it on and you’ll find that you’ll be able to go from face-to-face 
>> like you used to doing Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
>> 
>>>> On Mar 20, 2024, at 1:32 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> Okay, at one point, in the recent past, with VoiceOver enabled, if I
>>> wanted to change watch faces, on the fly, I could simply 2-finger
>>> swipe from left to right or from right to left on my Apple watch. 
>>> Apparently, this is no longer the case.
>>> 
>>> What is now the VO gesture to quickly change watch faces?
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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Re: Question: What is the VoiceOver Gesture to Change Apple Watch Faces, on the Fly?

2024-03-21 Thread Richard Turner
The gesture should be two finger swipe left or right. It works consistantly for 
me. 


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> On Mar 21, 2024, at 5:10 PM, Kathy Blackburn  wrote:
> 
> I swipe left or right with three fingers to change from one watch face to 
> another. However, it doesn't work consistently, however.
> 
> Kathy Blackburn
> ,kblac...@austin.rr.comOn Mar 21, 2024 5:12 PM, Richard Turner 
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Diane,
>> I'm not Mark, but going to the clock setting on the watch the first item is 
>> swipe to switch watch face, which was off.  Turning it on makes it possible 
>> to change watch faces with a two finger swipe left or right.
>> Thank you.
>> I doubt I would have found it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you."
>> -- Wolfgang Von Goethe
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
>> 
>> Microsoft Windows Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.3155)
>> JAWS version 2024.2403.3
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Diane 
>> Giannetti
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 8:41 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Question: What is the VoiceOver Gesture to Change Apple Watch 
>> Faces, on the Fly?
>> 
>> Hi Mark. What you need to do, go to settings on your watch, then go to 
>> Clock, then it should be swipe over to where it says something about switch 
>> face something on off switch it to be on it switch something face hold on 
>> let me see if I can find it quickly Swipe to face and yours probably says 
>> off so put it on and you’ll find that you’ll be able to go from face-to-face 
>> like you used to doing Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!
>> 
>>>> On Mar 20, 2024, at 1:32 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> Okay, at one point, in the recent past, with VoiceOver enabled, if I
>>> wanted to change watch faces, on the fly, I could simply 2-finger
>>> swipe from left to right or from right to left on my Apple watch. 
>>> Apparently, this is no longer the case.
>>> 
>>> What is now the VO gesture to quickly change watch faces?
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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RE: Question: What is the VoiceOver Gesture to Change Apple Watch Faces, on the Fly?

2024-03-21 Thread Kathy Blackburn
I swipe left or right with three fingers to change from one watch face to 
another. However, it doesn't work consistently, however.

Kathy Blackburn
,kblac...@austin.rr.comOn Mar 21, 2024 5:12 PM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:
>
> Hi Diane, 
> I'm not Mark, but going to the clock setting on the watch the first item is 
> swipe to switch watch face, which was off.  Turning it on makes it possible 
> to change watch faces with a two finger swipe left or right. 
> Thank you. 
> I doubt I would have found it. 
>
>
>
> Richard, USA 
> "At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you." 
> -- Wolfgang Von Goethe 
>
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> -Original Message- 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Diane 
> Giannetti 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 8:41 PM 
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Question: What is the VoiceOver Gesture to Change Apple Watch 
> Faces, on the Fly? 
>
> Hi Mark. What you need to do, go to settings on your watch, then go to Clock, 
> then it should be swipe over to where it says something about switch face 
> something on off switch it to be on it switch something face hold on let me 
> see if I can find it quickly Swipe to face and yours probably says off so put 
> it on and you’ll find that you’ll be able to go from face-to-face like you 
> used to doing Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone! 
>
> > On Mar 20, 2024, at 1:32 AM, M. Taylor  wrote: 
> > 
> > Hello All, 
> > 
> > Okay, at one point, in the recent past, with VoiceOver enabled, if I 
> > wanted to change watch faces, on the fly, I could simply 2-finger 
> > swipe from left to right or from right to left on my Apple watch.  
> > Apparently, this is no longer the case. 
> > 
> > What is now the VO gesture to quickly change watch faces? 
> > 
> > Thank you, 
> > 
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RE: Question: What is the VoiceOver Gesture to Change Apple Watch Faces, on the Fly?

2024-03-21 Thread Richard Turner
Hi Diane,
I'm not Mark, but going to the clock setting on the watch the first item is 
swipe to switch watch face, which was off.  Turning it on makes it possible to 
change watch faces with a two finger swipe left or right.
Thank you.
I doubt I would have found it.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Diane 
Giannetti
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2024 8:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question: What is the VoiceOver Gesture to Change Apple Watch 
Faces, on the Fly?

Hi Mark. What you need to do, go to settings on your watch, then go to Clock, 
then it should be swipe over to where it says something about switch face 
something on off switch it to be on it switch something face hold on let me see 
if I can find it quickly Swipe to face and yours probably says off so put it on 
and you’ll find that you’ll be able to go from face-to-face like you used to 
doing Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Mar 20, 2024, at 1:32 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Okay, at one point, in the recent past, with VoiceOver enabled, if I 
> wanted to change watch faces, on the fly, I could simply 2-finger 
> swipe from left to right or from right to left on my Apple watch.  
> Apparently, this is no longer the case.
> 
> What is now the VO gesture to quickly change watch faces?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: Question: What is the VoiceOver Gesture to Change Apple Watch Faces, on the Fly?

2024-03-20 Thread Diane Giannetti
Hi Mark. What you need to do, go to settings on your watch, then go to Clock, 
then it should be swipe over to where it says something about switch face 
something on off switch it to be on it switch something face hold on let me see 
if I can find it quickly Swipe to face and yours probably says off so put it on 
and you’ll find that you’ll be able to go from face-to-face like you used to 
doing 
Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Mar 20, 2024, at 1:32 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Okay, at one point, in the recent past, with VoiceOver enabled, if I wanted
> to change watch faces, on the fly, I could simply 2-finger swipe from left
> to right or from right to left on my Apple watch.  Apparently, this is no
> longer the case.
> 
> What is now the VO gesture to quickly change watch faces?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
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RE: Question: What is the VoiceOver Gesture to Change Apple Watch Faces, on the Fly?

2024-03-19 Thread M. Taylor
Hi,

Disregard the question. 

Apparently, what has been a default feature since the release of Apple Watch 
series 2, is now a feature that must manually be enabled from within the 
settings area of the OS.

I truly don't know why Apple keeps changing even the most basic settings when 
those settings have been time-tested for years.

To manually enable this old feature, open the Settings app, on the watch and 
then go to Clock.  At the top of the list you will see an option to enable this 
feature.

Mark

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on the Fly?

Hello All,

Okay, at one point, in the recent past, with VoiceOver enabled, if I wanted to 
change watch faces, on the fly, I could simply 2-finger swipe from left to 
right or from right to left on my Apple watch.  Apparently, this is no longer 
the case.

What is now the VO gesture to quickly change watch faces?

Thank you,

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Question: What is the VoiceOver Gesture to Change Apple Watch Faces, on the Fly?

2024-03-19 Thread M. Taylor
Hello All,

Okay, at one point, in the recent past, with VoiceOver enabled, if I wanted
to change watch faces, on the fly, I could simply 2-finger swipe from left
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longer the case.

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Thank you,

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RE: Apple Watch 8 Not Speaking

2024-03-12 Thread blazie.girl
Thanks All,

 

It was that speech was turned off.  I did try turning it back on several times 
before posting my issue with no success.  I guess I finally got my fingers just 
right for it to work.

 

Fortunately that was the only issue.

 

Vivian and Sallie

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2024 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Watch 8 Not Speaking

 

I have had this happen on several occasions, and it’s always because I somehow 
turned off speech. So I suspect that is the problem.

Sent from my iPhone





On Mar 12, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:



Could it be a three finger double tap was done that muted the speech?

 

Or, try triple tapping the crown to toggle VoiceOver off and then on again, or 
on, if it somehow got turned off.

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2024 8:47 AM
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Subject: Re: Apple Watch 8 Not Speaking

 

This has happened to me about 3 or 4 times over the last few months with my 
Apple watch 8. I also could hear the clicking and there was no reason for the 
watch to stop talking. I do use Apple air pods 2nd gen but the watch rarely 
connects to them. The first time I told watch Siri to start outdoor walk 
workout and held the watch close to my ear pod and I could hear it on the 
earpod. Then it started talking again. No rhyme or reason. Lately when it 
happens I go to the watch screen mirroring in the Accessibility under the 
Settings app on my iPhone SE 3. (It does take more than a minute for the watch 
to connect.) Actually I can’t say I followed any specific steps from here but 
after a while of trying various things the sound has come back.

I have been afraid to try turning the watch off without speech since on 
Christmas eve I was going to restart it and it went into emergency mode. 
Luckily that time I was able to get a sighted friend to cancel it.

I wish I could be more precise about what I did but I do hope this might help.

 

I am running watch 10 but it also happened when I was running watch  OS 9 as 
well.

Sherrie

 

Sent from Sherrie's iPhone

 

 

 

On Mar 11, 2024, at 9:54 PM, blazie.g...@gmail.com 
<mailto:blazie.g...@gmail.com>  wrote:

 

 Hi Everyone,

 

All of a sudden today, my Apple watch 8 stopped talking.  It still makes 
clicking noises when I move around the face and every once in a while a bell 
tone goes off until I do something that shuts it off.  No I don’t remember 
exactly what I do to get the bell to stop and have no idea what I did to make 
the speech stop.  I asked the watch to turn on VO and it did say that it was on 
but that’s all I have gotten it to say.

 

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

 

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Re: Apple Watch 8 Not Speaking

2024-03-12 Thread Mary Otten
I have had this happen on several occasions, and it’s always because I somehow turned off speech. So I suspect that is the problem.Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 12, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:Could it be a three finger double tap was done that muted the speech? Or, try triple tapping the crown to toggle VoiceOver off and then on again, or on, if it somehow got turned off.   Richard, USA"At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you." -- Wolfgang Von Goethe  My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ Microsoft Windows Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.3155) JAWS version 2024.2403.3  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sherrie GoslingSent: Tuesday, March 12, 2024 8:47 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Apple Watch 8 Not Speaking This has happened to me about 3 or 4 times over the last few months with my Apple watch 8. I also could hear the clicking and there was no reason for the watch to stop talking. I do use Apple air pods 2nd gen but the watch rarely connects to them. The first time I told watch Siri to start outdoor walk workout and held the watch close to my ear pod and I could hear it on the earpod. Then it started talking again. No rhyme or reason. Lately when it happens I go to the watch screen mirroring in the Accessibility under the Settings app on my iPhone SE 3. (It does take more than a minute for the watch to connect.) Actually I can’t say I followed any specific steps from here but after a while of trying various things the sound has come back.I have been afraid to try turning the watch off without speech since on Christmas eve I was going to restart it and it went into emergency mode. Luckily that time I was able to get a sighted friend to cancel it.I wish I could be more precise about what I did but I do hope this might help. I am running watch 10 but it also happened when I was running watch  OS 9 as well.Sherrie Sent from Sherrie's iPhone   On Mar 11, 2024, at 9:54 PM, blazie.g...@gmail.com wrote:  Hi Everyone, All of a sudden today, my Apple watch 8 stopped talking.  It still makes clicking noises when I move around the face and every once in a while a bell tone goes off until I do something that shuts it off.  No I don’t remember exactly what I do to get the bell to stop and have no idea what I did to make the speech stop.  I asked the watch to turn on VO and it did say that it was on but that’s all I have gotten it to say. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. Vivian and Sallie --The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ ---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com .To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/024a01da7420%243dec9020%24b9c5b060%24%40gmail.com . insertion point between well. and .Sherrie, at the 1,122nd position-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/070F961C-208D-43A0-A099-8F8FAB2A86F3%40gmail.com.



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RE: Apple Watch 8 Not Speaking

2024-03-12 Thread Richard Turner
Could it be a three finger double tap was done that muted the speech?

 

Or, try triple tapping the crown to toggle VoiceOver off and then on again, or 
on, if it somehow got turned off.

 

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sherrie 
Gosling
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2024 8:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Watch 8 Not Speaking

 

This has happened to me about 3 or 4 times over the last few months with my 
Apple watch 8. I also could hear the clicking and there was no reason for the 
watch to stop talking. I do use Apple air pods 2nd gen but the watch rarely 
connects to them. The first time I told watch Siri to start outdoor walk 
workout and held the watch close to my ear pod and I could hear it on the 
earpod. Then it started talking again. No rhyme or reason. Lately when it 
happens I go to the watch screen mirroring in the Accessibility under the 
Settings app on my iPhone SE 3. (It does take more than a minute for the watch 
to connect.) Actually I can’t say I followed any specific steps from here but 
after a while of trying various things the sound has come back.

I have been afraid to try turning the watch off without speech since on 
Christmas eve I was going to restart it and it went into emergency mode. 
Luckily that time I was able to get a sighted friend to cancel it.

I wish I could be more precise about what I did but I do hope this might help.

 

I am running watch 10 but it also happened when I was running watch  OS 9 as 
well.

Sherrie

 

Sent from Sherrie's iPhone

 

 

 

On Mar 11, 2024, at 9:54 PM, blazie.g...@gmail.com 
<mailto:blazie.g...@gmail.com>  wrote:

 

 Hi Everyone,

 

All of a sudden today, my Apple watch 8 stopped talking.  It still makes 
clicking noises when I move around the face and every once in a while a bell 
tone goes off until I do something that shuts it off.  No I don’t remember 
exactly what I do to get the bell to stop and have no idea what I did to make 
the speech stop.  I asked the watch to turn on VO and it did say that it was on 
but that’s all I have gotten it to say.

 

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

 

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Re: Apple Watch 8 Not Speaking

2024-03-12 Thread Sherrie Gosling
This has happened to me about 3 or 4 times over the last few months with my 
Apple watch 8. I also could hear the clicking and there was no reason for the 
watch to stop talking. I do use Apple air pods 2nd gen but the watch rarely 
connects to them. The first time I told watch Siri to start outdoor walk 
workout and held the watch close to my ear pod and I could hear it on the 
earpod. Then it started talking again. No rhyme or reason. Lately when it 
happens I go to the watch screen mirroring in the Accessibility under the 
Settings app on my iPhone SE 3. (It does take more than a minute for the watch 
to connect.) Actually I can’t say I followed any specific steps from here but 
after a while of trying various things the sound has come back.
I have been afraid to try turning the watch off without speech since on 
Christmas eve I was going to restart it and it went into emergency mode. 
Luckily that time I was able to get a sighted friend to cancel it.
I wish I could be more precise about what I did but I do hope this might help.

I am running watch 10 but it also happened when I was running watch  OS 9 as 
well.
Sherrie

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 Hi Everyone,
 
All of a sudden today, my Apple watch 8 stopped talking.  It still makes 
clicking noises when I move around the face and every once in a while a bell 
tone goes off until I do something that shuts it off.  No I don’t remember 
exactly what I do to get the bell to stop and have no idea what I did to make 
the speech stop.  I asked the watch to turn on VO and it did say that it was on 
but that’s all I have gotten it to say.
 
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Apple Watch 8 Not Speaking

2024-03-11 Thread blazie.girl
Hi Everyone,

 

All of a sudden today, my Apple watch 8 stopped talking.  It still makes
clicking noises when I move around the face and every once in a while a bell
tone goes off until I do something that shuts it off.  No I don't remember
exactly what I do to get the bell to stop and have no idea what I did to
make the speech stop.  I asked the watch to turn on VO and it did say that
it was on but that's all I have gotten it to say.

 

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

 

Vivian and Sallie

 

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Re: Apple watch and sleep focus

2024-01-04 Thread 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone
I’m glad that mystery is solved. Actually, I should have twigged I suppose 
because when I first started using sleep focus just before Christmas I noticed 
the display darkens; I can see a tiny bit. I noticed the display come to life 
when tapping the watch. I perhaps should have twigged that I needed to tap it 
once to wake and then twice to get the vibrations.

All the best
Angie


> On 3 Jan 2024, at 20:43, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I received another message from Apple Accessibility yesterday where this 
> was also explained. I assume this was sent on to a higher level because the 
> first response I received simply stated what the support article said which 
> is a 1-finger double tap for hours and minutes and a 1-finger triple tap for 
> just minutes. In fact, they even pointed out " If the watch is awake, place 
> your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is 
> turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double 
> tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same 
> results".
> Below is the entire conversation I had regarding this starting with my 
> initial message, their reply, my response and then the second message where 
> they state an additional tap is required if any type of focus is active:
> 
> From: Apple Accessibility 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:39 AM
> To:  siegh...@outlook.com
> Subject: Re: RE: Haptic time on /apple Watch
> 
> Hello Sieghard,
> 
> Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
> one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap 
> for just the minutes.
> This is with the screen locked.
> If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
> or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
> perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
> and managed to get the same results.
> 
> If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
> recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support 
> team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern 
> through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the 
> appropriate teams for further investigation.
> 
> You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
> article:
> https://support.apple.com/HT209585
> 
> Sincerely,
> Apple Accessibility
> 
> On Dec 20, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> I will contact somebody because as I said, I consistently get the behaviour I 
> described, i.e. if sleep focus is enabled a 1-finger double tap does nothing 
> and I am sure my watch/screen is asleep.
> 
> From: Apple Accessibility  
> Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 1:43 PM
> To: siegh...@outlook.com
> Subject: Re: RE: RE: Haptic time on /apple Watch
> 
> Hello Sieghard,
> 
> We wanted to quickly follow up and clarify that in order to use Taptic Time 
> in any of the Focus modes that turn of the display, like the  Sleep Focus 
> does, you will need to tap the screen once to wake it before performing the 
> double-tap for Taptic Time. The gesture should be performed as “one, one-two” 
> in a relatively quick manner.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Apple Accessibility
> 
> On Jan 02, 2024, at 8:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Thanks, that is my experience, it would be a good idea if your support 
> article about haptic time would be updated to reflect this.
> I don’t use Zoom of any sort, but I believe some gestures are also different 
> when Zoom is enabled so if that is the case with haptic time this should also 
> be mentioned.
> 
> From: Apple Accessibility  
> Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2024 10:19 AM
> To: siegh...@outlook.com
> Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: Haptic time on /apple Watch
> 
> Hello Sieghard,
> 
> We’d be more than happy to request an update to our support article that will 
> reflect this information and will ensure this request reaches the appropriate 
> teams.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Apple Accessibility
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2024 2:13 AM
> To: 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone 
> Subject: Apple watch and sleep focus
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I got a reply from Apple accessibility and actually, three taps is correct as 
> you have to tap it once to wake it up. Hope that clarifies it; it’s not a bug.
> 
> All the best
> Angie
> 
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Re: Apple watch and sleep focus

2024-01-04 Thread Tom Rash
I got mine to work consistently as well.  They really need to make it easier to 
understand first time out.  Thanks to all of your persistence in getting it 
explained better. 


> On Jan 3, 2024, at 3:50 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I finally got taptic time to work for me on my SE watch.
> I had to turn off raise to speak time in the VoiceOver settings, which didn’t 
> seem to do anything.
> Thanks for all the notes, otherwise I would have just thought it was an 
> unreliable service when VoiceOver is running. I was only able to get taptic 
> time to work when I didn’t want it, like when removing the watch from my 
> wrist.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 3, 2024, at 3:43 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I received another message from Apple Accessibility yesterday where 
>> this was also explained. I assume this was sent on to a higher level because 
>> the first response I received simply stated what the support article said 
>> which is a 1-finger double tap for hours and minutes and a 1-finger triple 
>> tap for just minutes. In fact, they even pointed out " If the watch is 
>> awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on 
>> Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the 
>> one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed 
>> to get the same results".
>> Below is the entire conversation I had regarding this starting with my 
>> initial message, their reply, my response and then the second message where 
>> they state an additional tap is required if any type of focus is active:
>> 
>> From: Apple Accessibility 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:39 AM
>> To:  siegh...@outlook.com
>> Subject: Re: RE: Haptic time on /apple Watch
>> 
>> Hello Sieghard,
>> 
>> Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
>> one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap 
>> for just the minutes.
>> This is with the screen locked.
>> If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to 
>> sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and 
>> then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus 
>> enabled and managed to get the same results.
>> 
>> If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
>> recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support 
>> team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern 
>> through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the 
>> appropriate teams for further investigation.
>> 
>> You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
>> article:
>> https://support.apple.com/HT209585
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Apple Accessibility
>> 
>> On Dec 20, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> I will contact somebody because as I said, I consistently get the behaviour 
>> I described, i.e. if sleep focus is enabled a 1-finger double tap does 
>> nothing and I am sure my watch/screen is asleep.
>> 
>> From: Apple Accessibility  
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 1:43 PM
>> To: siegh...@outlook.com
>> Subject: Re: RE: RE: Haptic time on /apple Watch
>> 
>> Hello Sieghard,
>> 
>> We wanted to quickly follow up and clarify that in order to use Taptic Time 
>> in any of the Focus modes that turn of the display, like the  Sleep Focus 
>> does, you will need to tap the screen once to wake it before performing the 
>> double-tap for Taptic Time. The gesture should be performed as “one, 
>> one-two” in a relatively quick manner.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Apple Accessibility
>> 
>> On Jan 02, 2024, at 8:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Thanks, that is my experience, it would be a good idea if your support 
>> article about haptic time would be updated to reflect this.
>> I don’t use Zoom of any sort, but I believe some gestures are also different 
>> when Zoom is enabled so if that is the case with haptic time this should 
>> also be mentioned.
>> 
>> From: Apple Accessibility  
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2024 10:19 AM
>> To: siegh...@outlook.com
>> Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: Haptic time on /apple Watch
>> 
>> Hello Sieghard,
>> 
>> We’d be more than happy to request an update to our support article that 
>> will reflect this information and will ensure this request reaches the 
>> appropriate teams.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Apple Accessibility
>>

Re: Apple watch and sleep focus

2024-01-03 Thread Jonathan Cohn
I finally got taptic time to work for me on my SE watch.
I had to turn off raise to speak time in the VoiceOver settings, which didn’t 
seem to do anything.
Thanks for all the notes, otherwise I would have just thought it was an 
unreliable service when VoiceOver is running. I was only able to get taptic 
time to work when I didn’t want it, like when removing the watch from my wrist.


> On Jan 3, 2024, at 3:43 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I received another message from Apple Accessibility yesterday where this 
> was also explained. I assume this was sent on to a higher level because the 
> first response I received simply stated what the support article said which 
> is a 1-finger double tap for hours and minutes and a 1-finger triple tap for 
> just minutes. In fact, they even pointed out " If the watch is awake, place 
> your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is 
> turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double 
> tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same 
> results".
> Below is the entire conversation I had regarding this starting with my 
> initial message, their reply, my response and then the second message where 
> they state an additional tap is required if any type of focus is active:
> 
> From: Apple Accessibility 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:39 AM
> To:  siegh...@outlook.com
> Subject: Re: RE: Haptic time on /apple Watch
> 
> Hello Sieghard,
> 
> Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
> one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap 
> for just the minutes.
> This is with the screen locked.
> If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
> or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
> perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
> and managed to get the same results.
> 
> If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
> recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support 
> team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern 
> through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the 
> appropriate teams for further investigation.
> 
> You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
> article:
> https://support.apple.com/HT209585
> 
> Sincerely,
> Apple Accessibility
> 
> On Dec 20, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> I will contact somebody because as I said, I consistently get the behaviour I 
> described, i.e. if sleep focus is enabled a 1-finger double tap does nothing 
> and I am sure my watch/screen is asleep.
> 
> From: Apple Accessibility  
> Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 1:43 PM
> To: siegh...@outlook.com
> Subject: Re: RE: RE: Haptic time on /apple Watch
> 
> Hello Sieghard,
> 
> We wanted to quickly follow up and clarify that in order to use Taptic Time 
> in any of the Focus modes that turn of the display, like the  Sleep Focus 
> does, you will need to tap the screen once to wake it before performing the 
> double-tap for Taptic Time. The gesture should be performed as “one, one-two” 
> in a relatively quick manner.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Apple Accessibility
> 
> On Jan 02, 2024, at 8:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Thanks, that is my experience, it would be a good idea if your support 
> article about haptic time would be updated to reflect this.
> I don’t use Zoom of any sort, but I believe some gestures are also different 
> when Zoom is enabled so if that is the case with haptic time this should also 
> be mentioned.
> 
> From: Apple Accessibility  
> Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2024 10:19 AM
> To: siegh...@outlook.com
> Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: Haptic time on /apple Watch
> 
> Hello Sieghard,
> 
> We’d be more than happy to request an update to our support article that will 
> reflect this information and will ensure this request reaches the appropriate 
> teams.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Apple Accessibility
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2024 2:13 AM
> To: 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone 
> Subject: Apple watch and sleep focus
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I got a reply from Apple accessibility and actually, three taps is correct as 
> you have to tap it once to wake it up. Hope that clarifies it; it’s not a bug.
> 
> All the best
> Angie
> 
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RE: Apple watch and sleep focus

2024-01-03 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Yes, I received another message from Apple Accessibility yesterday where this 
was also explained. I assume this was sent on to a higher level because the 
first response I received simply stated what the support article said which is 
a 1-finger double tap for hours and minutes and a 1-finger triple tap for just 
minutes. In fact, they even pointed out " If the watch is awake, place your 
palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned 
on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We 
tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same results".
Below is the entire conversation I had regarding this starting with my initial 
message, their reply, my response and then the second message where they state 
an additional tap is required if any type of focus is active:

From: Apple Accessibility 
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:39 AM
To:  siegh...@outlook.com
Subject: Re: RE: Haptic time on /apple Watch
 
Hello Sieghard,

Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes.
This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.

If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.

You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article:
https://support.apple.com/HT209585

Sincerely,
Apple Accessibility

On Dec 20, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
I will contact somebody because as I said, I consistently get the behaviour I 
described, i.e. if sleep focus is enabled a 1-finger double tap does nothing 
and I am sure my watch/screen is asleep.
 
From: Apple Accessibility  
 Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 1:43 PM
 To: siegh...@outlook.com
 Subject: Re: RE: RE: Haptic time on /apple Watch
 
Hello Sieghard,

We wanted to quickly follow up and clarify that in order to use Taptic Time in 
any of the Focus modes that turn of the display, like the  Sleep Focus does, 
you will need to tap the screen once to wake it before performing the 
double-tap for Taptic Time. The gesture should be performed as “one, one-two” 
in a relatively quick manner.

Sincerely,
Apple Accessibility

On Jan 02, 2024, at 8:04 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
Thanks, that is my experience, it would be a good idea if your support article 
about haptic time would be updated to reflect this.
I don’t use Zoom of any sort, but I believe some gestures are also different 
when Zoom is enabled so if that is the case with haptic time this should also 
be mentioned.
 
From: Apple Accessibility  
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2024 10:19 AM
To: siegh...@outlook.com
Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: Haptic time on /apple Watch

Hello Sieghard,

We’d be more than happy to request an update to our support article that will 
reflect this information and will ensure this request reaches the appropriate 
teams.

Sincerely,
Apple Accessibility


-Original Message-
From: 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone  
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2024 2:13 AM
To: 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone 
Subject: Apple watch and sleep focus

Hi all,

I got a reply from Apple accessibility and actually, three taps is correct as 
you have to tap it once to wake it up. Hope that clarifies it; it’s not a bug.

All the best
Angie

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Apple watch and sleep focus

2024-01-03 Thread 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone
Hi all,

I got a reply from Apple accessibility and actually, three taps is correct as 
you have to tap it once to wake it up. Hope that clarifies it; it’s not a bug.

All the best
Angie

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Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-29 Thread 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone
Have just sent an email to Apple; I’m very curious to know why this should be 
happening. I wonder if we will ever know.

All the best
Angie

> On 27 Dec 2023, at 18:23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Angie, it would be very helpful if you could send an email to 
> accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> and tell them that 
> you also experience this. Which watch do you have?
> You can even mention my name and that this has come on an email group for 
> Voiceover users and that you are confirming the same behaviour.
> Just make sure you also include the watch model you have.
>  
> From: 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 8:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
> Nor for me: I find I have to triple tap for hours and minutes while in sleep 
> focus; I don’t mind that but if it’s not supposed to do that, rather curious.
>  
> All the best
> Angie
> 
> 
> On 25 Dec 2023, at 05:54, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
>  
> Except that according to Apple they can’t reproduce my issue, according to 
> them it should simply be a double and triple tap regardless whether sleep 
> focus is on r not and it is definitely not like that for me.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
> I agree.
> I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens 
> to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures 
> have to add an extra gesture to function.
> And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.
>  
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/>
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
> 
>  
> I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that 
> for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the 
> described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, 
> others say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the 
> double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when 
> my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, 
> I have tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it 
> probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to 
> add 1 tap when sleep focus is on.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
>  
> When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face 
> to feel a haptic version of the time.
>  
> When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to 
> feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic 
> time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.
>  
>  
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/>
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
> 
>  
> It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. 
> Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but 
> it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap.
>  
>  
>  
> From:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of Tom 
> Rash
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
> To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Appl

Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-28 Thread 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone
I have Watch 8.

All the best
Angie

> On 27 Dec 2023, at 18:23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Angie, it would be very helpful if you could send an email to 
> accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> and tell them that 
> you also experience this. Which watch do you have?
> You can even mention my name and that this has come on an email group for 
> Voiceover users and that you are confirming the same behaviour.
> Just make sure you also include the watch model you have.
>  
> From: 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 8:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
> Nor for me: I find I have to triple tap for hours and minutes while in sleep 
> focus; I don’t mind that but if it’s not supposed to do that, rather curious.
>  
> All the best
> Angie
> 
> 
> On 25 Dec 2023, at 05:54, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
>  
> Except that according to Apple they can’t reproduce my issue, according to 
> them it should simply be a double and triple tap regardless whether sleep 
> focus is on r not and it is definitely not like that for me.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
> I agree.
> I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens 
> to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures 
> have to add an extra gesture to function.
> And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.
>  
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/>
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
> 
>  
> I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that 
> for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the 
> described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, 
> others say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the 
> double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when 
> my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, 
> I have tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it 
> probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to 
> add 1 tap when sleep focus is on.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
>  
> When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face 
> to feel a haptic version of the time.
>  
> When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to 
> feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic 
> time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.
>  
>  
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/>
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
> 
>  
> It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. 
> Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but 
> it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap.
>  
>  
>  
> From:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of Tom 
> Rash
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
> To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
> It does not work consistently for me.  
> I have S E version of the watch.  It seems l

RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-27 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Angie, it would be very helpful if you could send an email to 
accessibil...@apple.com<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> and tell them that you 
also experience this. Which watch do you have?
You can even mention my name and that this has come on an email group for 
Voiceover users and that you are confirming the same behaviour.
Just make sure you also include the watch model you have.

From: 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 8:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

Nor for me: I find I have to triple tap for hours and minutes while in sleep 
focus; I don’t mind that but if it’s not supposed to do that, rather curious.

All the best
Angie


On 25 Dec 2023, at 05:54, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Except that according to Apple they can’t reproduce my issue, according to them 
it should simply be a double and triple tap regardless whether sleep focus is 
on r not and it is definitely not like that for me.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

I agree.
I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens 
to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures 
have to add an extra gesture to function.
And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.

Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/







On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that 
for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the 
described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others 
say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and 
tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep 
focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have 
tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it probably 
works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap 
when sleep focus is on.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to 
feel a haptic version of the time.

When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel 
minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, 
I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/









On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently 
there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 
1-finger double or triple tap.



From:viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

It does not work consistently for me.
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.





On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what r

Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-27 Thread 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone
Nor for me: I find I have to triple tap for hours and minutes while in sleep 
focus; I don’t mind that but if it’s not supposed to do that, rather curious.

All the best
Angie

> On 25 Dec 2023, at 05:54, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Except that according to Apple they can’t reproduce my issue, according to 
> them it should simply be a double and triple tap regardless whether sleep 
> focus is on r not and it is definitely not like that for me.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
> I agree.
> I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens 
> to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures 
> have to add an extra gesture to function.
> And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.
>  
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/>
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
>  
> I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that 
> for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the 
> described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, 
> others say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the 
> double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when 
> my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, 
> I have tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it 
> probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to 
> add 1 tap when sleep focus is on.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
>  
> When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face 
> to feel a haptic version of the time.
>  
> When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to 
> feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic 
> time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.
>  
>  
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/>
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
>  
> It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. 
> Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but 
> it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap.
>  
>  
>  
> From:viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Tom Rash
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
> It does not work consistently for me.  
> I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
> tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.  
> If voice over is turned off, it does not work.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>  
> A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
> again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas 
> others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.
>  
> On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good 
> consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. 
> First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the 
> email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture 
> exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any 
> exceptions:
>  
> Hello Sieghard,
> Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
> one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap 
> for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
> If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
> or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downward

RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Except that according to Apple they can’t reproduce my issue, according to them 
it should simply be a double and triple tap regardless whether sleep focus is 
on r not and it is definitely not like that for me.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

I agree.
I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens 
to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures 
have to add an extra gesture to function.
And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.

Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/





On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that 
for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the 
described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others 
say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and 
tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep 
focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have 
tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it probably 
works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap 
when sleep focus is on.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to 
feel a haptic version of the time.

When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel 
minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, 
I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/







On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently 
there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 
1-finger double or triple tap.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

It does not work consistently for me.
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.




On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM

Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Earle
I have the latest version of Watch OS, and I have an Apple Watch Ultra. Haptic time is very consistent for me. I would say it works 9 times out of 10. So I really can't complain about that.EarleSent from my iPhoneOn Dec 24, 2023, at 1:32 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I agree.I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures have to add an extra gesture to function.And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others say
 they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have tested and confirmed this now
 over and over for days on end and it probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap when sleep focus is on.
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


 

 


When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to feel a haptic version of the time.


 


When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.


 



 


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 












On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:




 
It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap.
 
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


 
It does not work consistently for me.  

I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.  


If voice over is turned off, it does not work.








On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 


A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.


 


On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which
 I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:


 


Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same
 results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through troubleshooting, then they can
 escalate their findings to the appropriate teams for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585


 


The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this at
 least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or a minute o

Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Richard Turner
I agree.I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures have to add an extra gesture to function.And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others say
 they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have tested and confirmed this now
 over and over for days on end and it probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap when sleep focus is on.
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


 

 


When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to feel a haptic version of the time.


 


When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.


 



 


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 












On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:




 
It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap.
 
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


 
It does not work consistently for me.  

I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.  


If voice over is turned off, it does not work.








On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 


A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.


 


On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which
 I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:


 


Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same
 results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through troubleshooting, then they can
 escalate their findings to the appropriate teams for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585


 


The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this at
 least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 1 finger gives me hours
 and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I

RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that 
for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the 
described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others 
say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and 
tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep 
focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have 
tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it probably 
works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap 
when sleep focus is on.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to 
feel a haptic version of the time.

When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel 
minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, 
I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/





On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently 
there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 
1-finger double or triple tap.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

It does not work consistently for me.
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.



On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is 
well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or 
a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 
1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple 
tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic 
time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a 
triple tap.

I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
definitely be something they take a closer look at.

I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
assume this could also have something to do with it.

Best regards,
Sieghard


--
The following information is important for all members

Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Richard Turner
When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to feel a haptic version of the time.When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap.
 
 
 


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It does not work consistently for me.  

I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.  


If voice over is turned off, it does not work.







On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 


A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.


 


On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which
 I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:


 


Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same
 results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through troubleshooting, then they can
 escalate their findings to the appropriate teams for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585


 


The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this at
 least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 1 finger gives me hours
 and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a triple tap.


 


I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should definitely be something they take a closer look at.


 


I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I assume
 this could also have something to do with it.


 


Best regards,


Sieghard


 


 

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Re: Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-24 Thread Richard Turner
When I had that turned on, on my series 6, I think it reminded me at 10 minutes 
before the hour.
I don't know if that is customizable.


Richard, USA
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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
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> On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> If you have stand reminders enabled it should just remind you although I 
> don't know if it's necessary on the hour. If you had been standing/walking 
> around at say 9:45 AM then I doubt it would remind you 15 minutes later at 10 
> AM that you have to stand again.
> I do have it on, but rarely get the notification because during a normal work 
> day it is not often that I sit for more than an hour at a time.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wren 
> Langley
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 9:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple Watch Ultra 2
> 
> Hi All, and thank you for the help. Does anyone know if there is a way to get 
> Apple Watch altar two to announce when it is time for you to stand on the 
> hour. Thank you and any help would be appreciated.
> 
> God bless,
> Wren Langley.
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-24 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
If you have stand reminders enabled it should just remind you although I don't 
know if it's necessary on the hour. If you had been standing/walking around at 
say 9:45 AM then I doubt it would remind you 15 minutes later at 10 AM that you 
have to stand again.
I do have it on, but rarely get the notification because during a normal work 
day it is not often that I sit for more than an hour at a time.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wren 
Langley
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 9:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Watch Ultra 2

Hi All, and thank you for the help. Does anyone know if there is a way to get 
Apple Watch altar two to announce when it is time for you to stand on the hour. 
Thank you and any help would be appreciated.

God bless,
Wren Langley.
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RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently 
there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 
1-finger double or triple tap.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

It does not work consistently for me.
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.


On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is 
well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or 
a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 
1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple 
tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic 
time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a 
triple tap.

I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
definitely be something they take a closer look at.

I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
assume this could also have something to do with it.

Best regards,
Sieghard


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Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-24 Thread Wren Langley
Hi All, and thank you for the help. Does anyone know if there is a way to get 
Apple Watch altar two to announce when it is time for you to stand on the hour. 
Thank you and any help would be appreciated.

God bless,
Wren Langley.
Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Christopher Chaltain
The three and four taps work pretty reliably for me whether I have sleep mode 
on or not. I have an SE, and I do have sleep when wrist down set to on.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 7:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

It does not work consistently for me.
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.


On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is 
well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or 
a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 
1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple 
tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic 
time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a 
triple tap.

I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
definitely be something they take a closer look at.

I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
assume this could also have something to do with it.

Best regards,
Sieghard


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Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Nicola Sanders
Hi all,
I have a Series 7 Apple Watch (41 mm). I am still running Watch OS 9, as I 
gathered that there were some bugs with version 10.
I use Taptic Time frequently, and pretty consistently. I also have Sleep Focus 
enabled, but in my case this does not alter the number of taps required: 
regardless of the time, I always do a one-finger double tap for hours and 
minutes, and a one-finger triple tap for just minutes.
If I want the watch to remain silent, I turn speech off using a three-finger 
double tap, the same gesture as on the phone. Haptic Time works fine when 
speech is turned off. My watch is not an SE, by the way, it's the standard 
model. I hope this is helpful.
Best,
Nicky

Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Dec 2023, at 13:24, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> This is wonderful feedback, my friend.  Thank you for posting.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 11:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
> 
> A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
> again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas 
> others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.
> 
> On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good 
> consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. 
> First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the 
> email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture 
> exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any 
> exceptions:
> 
> Hello Sieghard,
> Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
> one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap 
> for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
> If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
> or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
> perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
> and managed to get the same results.
> If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
> recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support 
> team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern 
> through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the 
> appropriate teams for further investigation.
> You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
> article: https://support.apple.com/HT209585
> 
> The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
> tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
> start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced 
> this at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all 
> is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 
> PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple 
> tap with 1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a 
> quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the 
> minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get 
> just minutes after a triple tap.
> 
> I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
> the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
> definitely be something they take a closer look at.
> 
> I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
> tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
> always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
> assume this could also have something to do with it.
> 
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
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RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread M. Taylor
This is wonderful feedback, my friend.  Thank you for posting.

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 11:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article: https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is 
well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or 
a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 
1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple 
tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic 
time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a 
triple tap.

I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
definitely be something they take a closer look at.

I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
assume this could also have something to do with it.

Best regards,
Sieghard

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Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Tom Rash
It does not work consistently for me.  
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.  
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.

> On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
> again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas 
> others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.
>  
> On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good 
> consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. 
> First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the 
> email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture 
> exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any 
> exceptions:
>  
> Hello Sieghard,
> Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
> one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap 
> for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
> If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
> or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
> perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
> and managed to get the same results.
> If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
> recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support 
> team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern 
> through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the 
> appropriate teams for further investigation.
> You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
> article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585
>  
> The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
> tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
> start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced 
> this at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all 
> is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 
> PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple 
> tap with 1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a 
> quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the 
> minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get 
> just minutes after a triple tap.
>  
> I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
> the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
> definitely be something they take a closer look at.
>  
> I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
> tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
> always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
> assume this could also have something to do with it.
>  
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>  
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Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-23 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article: https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is 
well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or 
a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 
1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple 
tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic 
time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a 
triple tap.

I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
definitely be something they take a closer look at.

I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
assume this could also have something to do with it.

Best regards,
Sieghard

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RE: sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-17 Thread 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone
 

 

Thank you. I appreciate this.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2023 02:42
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

 

You first of all have to configure the sleep focus on your iPhone and then if 
your watch is set up to mirror you riPhone, then it wil automatically apply.

 

From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 7:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

 

 

 

Hi all,

 

How do I put the apple watch in sleep mode.

Is there such a thing.

 

Thanks.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 02:30
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

 

Interesting. I’m not sure anyone other than myself has said they use three and 
four taps for haptic time. This works for me even when I don’t have sleep mode 
on. Maybe there’s another setting I have set somewhere that explains this. I do 
have sleep when wrist down is set to on, so maybe that explains it. My watch 
has also worked this way through multiple 

watchOS updates. I’ll be interested to hear about the response you get from 
Apple. I have something that works pretty reliably for me.

 

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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

 

Hi,

 

According to Apple, Voiceover users can use the haptic time feature by tapping 
the screen of the apple Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours 
and minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want minutes 
indicated.

The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch screen is off/asleep.

 

In a recent discussion it seems many people say for them this works only 
reliably if you tap the screen 3 times for hours and minutes and 4 times for 
minutes.

 

I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm that haptic time rarely worked.

I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I discovered the following which probably 
applies also to my series 5, but I haven’t checked it yet although I still have 
the series 5 because I’m a bit of a prograstinater when it comes to selling 
stuff.

Here is what I discovered:

 

I have a daily “sleep” focus set which starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.

I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g. the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger 
double tap does nothing except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap 
starts hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just the 
minutes.

However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM and before 10:30 PM when the sleep 
focus is not active, the double tap Apple says one should use works just fine 
and the triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep focus is 
active it will give me hours and minutes.

 

I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message regarding this because I assume this 
is a bug, but not sure until they reply.

 

What I don’t understand is that why we can’t use the regular gesture for haptic 
time. Yes, haptic time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is 
available to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you said 
“Speak Time” to “Control with silent mode” instead of “Always”.

According to the article, if you don’t use Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers 
on the screen for a moment to get haptic time.

 

Tell time with haptic feedback on Apple Watch - Apple Support 
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/watch/apd2c755c294/watchos#:~:text=Open%20the%20Apple%20Watch%20app,Silent%20Mode%20under%20Speak%20Time.>
 

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

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RE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-16 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
If I do a triple tap during the day all I get is minutes and I can reproduce 
this over and over.
Just now, it’s 11:45 PM so well past the start of my 10:30 PM sleep focus, a 
double tap once again does nothing and the triple tap consistently gives me 
hours and minutes in haptic time.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2023 11:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Interesting. I’m not sure anyone other than myself has said they use three and 
four taps for haptic time. This works for me even when I don’t have sleep mode 
on. Maybe there’s another setting I have set somewhere that explains this. I do 
have sleep when wrist down is set to on, so maybe that explains it. My watch 
has also worked this way through multiple
watchOS updates. I’ll be interested to hear about the response you get from 
Apple. I have something that works pretty reliably for me.

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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Hi,

According to Apple, Voiceover users can use the haptic time feature by tapping 
the screen of the apple Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours 
and minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want minutes 
indicated.
The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch screen is off/asleep.

In a recent discussion it seems many people say for them this works only 
reliably if you tap the screen 3 times for hours and minutes and 4 times for 
minutes.

I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm that haptic time rarely worked.
I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I discovered the following which probably 
applies also to my series 5, but I haven’t checked it yet although I still have 
the series 5 because I’m a bit of a prograstinater when it comes to selling 
stuff.
Here is what I discovered:

I have a daily “sleep” focus set which starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.
I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g. the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger 
double tap does nothing except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap 
starts hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just the 
minutes.
However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM and before 10:30 PM when the sleep 
focus is not active, the double tap Apple says one should use works just fine 
and the triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep focus is 
active it will give me hours and minutes.

I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message regarding this because I assume this 
is a bug, but not sure until they reply.

What I don’t understand is that why we can’t use the regular gesture for haptic 
time. Yes, haptic time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is 
available to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you said 
“Speak Time” to “Control with silent mode” instead of “Always”.
According to the article, if you don’t use Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers 
on the screen for a moment to get haptic time.

Tell time with haptic feedback on Apple Watch - Apple 
Support<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/watch/apd2c755c294/watchos#:~:text=Open%20the%20Apple%20Watch%20app,Silent%20Mode%20under%20Speak%20Time.>


Best regards,
Sieghard
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RE: sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-16 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
You first of all have to configure the sleep focus on your iPhone and then if 
your watch is set up to mirror you riPhone, then it wil automatically apply.

From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 7:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2



Hi all,

How do I put the apple watch in sleep mode.
Is there such a thing.

Thanks.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 02:30
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Interesting. I’m not sure anyone other than myself has said they use three and 
four taps for haptic time. This works for me even when I don’t have sleep mode 
on. Maybe there’s another setting I have set somewhere that explains this. I do 
have sleep when wrist down is set to on, so maybe that explains it. My watch 
has also worked this way through multiple
watchOS updates. I’ll be interested to hear about the response you get from 
Apple. I have something that works pretty reliably for me.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Hi,

According to Apple, Voiceover users can use the haptic time feature by tapping 
the screen of the apple Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours 
and minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want minutes 
indicated.
The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch screen is off/asleep.

In a recent discussion it seems many people say for them this works only 
reliably if you tap the screen 3 times for hours and minutes and 4 times for 
minutes.

I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm that haptic time rarely worked.
I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I discovered the following which probably 
applies also to my series 5, but I haven’t checked it yet although I still have 
the series 5 because I’m a bit of a prograstinater when it comes to selling 
stuff.
Here is what I discovered:

I have a daily “sleep” focus set which starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.
I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g. the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger 
double tap does nothing except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap 
starts hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just the 
minutes.
However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM and before 10:30 PM when the sleep 
focus is not active, the double tap Apple says one should use works just fine 
and the triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep focus is 
active it will give me hours and minutes.

I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message regarding this because I assume this 
is a bug, but not sure until they reply.

What I don’t understand is that why we can’t use the regular gesture for haptic 
time. Yes, haptic time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is 
available to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you said 
“Speak Time” to “Control with silent mode” instead of “Always”.
According to the article, if you don’t use Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers 
on the screen for a moment to get haptic time.

Tell time with haptic feedback on Apple Watch - Apple 
Support<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/watch/apd2c755c294/watchos#:~:text=Open%20the%20Apple%20Watch%20app,Silent%20Mode%20under%20Speak%20Time.>


Best regards,
Sieghard
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RE: sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-16 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Yes, that is how I have it set up, sleep focus starts at 10:30 PM and that is 
the case on both my iPhone and Apple Watch. If I get up at 6:30 AM or any time 
before 7, I often get a notification on my watcch which says “It looks like you 
are awake” and I am then asked if I want to turn off the 7 AM alarm.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 9:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

On my iPhone, in settings -> focus, I have it set so that when my focus changes 
on my iPhone, it’ll change on my watch. On the watch, in settings -> general -> 
focus, you can set it to mirror the focus on your iPhone. I don’t have my watch 
with me right now, but I’d check to see if there’s a way to toggle focus in the 
control panel.

BTW, I used the health app to set up my sleep schedule, so my iPhone goes into 
sleep mode on a regular week day and weekend schedule. You can also add and 
configure different focuses in settings -> focus, on your iPhone.

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From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 9:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2



Hi all,

How do I put the apple watch in sleep mode.
Is there such a thing.

Thanks.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 02:30
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Interesting. I’m not sure anyone other than myself has said they use three and 
four taps for haptic time. This works for me even when I don’t have sleep mode 
on. Maybe there’s another setting I have set somewhere that explains this. I do 
have sleep when wrist down is set to on, so maybe that explains it. My watch 
has also worked this way through multiple
watchOS updates. I’ll be interested to hear about the response you get from 
Apple. I have something that works pretty reliably for me.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Hi,

According to Apple, Voiceover users can use the haptic time feature by tapping 
the screen of the apple Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours 
and minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want minutes 
indicated.
The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch screen is off/asleep.

In a recent discussion it seems many people say for them this works only 
reliably if you tap the screen 3 times for hours and minutes and 4 times for 
minutes.

I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm that haptic time rarely worked.
I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I discovered the following which probably 
applies also to my series 5, but I haven’t checked it yet although I still have 
the series 5 because I’m a bit of a prograstinater when it comes to selling 
stuff.
Here is what I discovered:

I have a daily “sleep” focus set which starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.
I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g. the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger 
double tap does nothing except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap 
starts hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just the 
minutes.
However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM and before 10:30 PM when the sleep 
focus is not active, the double tap Apple says one should use works just fine 
and the triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep focus is 
active it will give me hours and minutes.

I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message regarding this because I assume this 
is a bug, but not sure until they reply.

What I don’t understand is that why we can’t use the regular gesture for haptic 
time. Yes, haptic time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is 
available to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you said 
“Speak Time” to “Control with silent mode” instead of “Always”.
According to the article, if you don’t use Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers 
on the screen for a moment to get haptic time.

Tell time with haptic feedback on Apple Watch - Apple 
Support<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/watch/apd2c755c294/watchos#:~:text=Open%20the%20Apple%20Watch%20app,Silent%20Mode%20under%20Speak%20Time.>


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RE: sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-16 Thread Christopher Chaltain
On my iPhone, in settings -> focus, I have it set so that when my focus changes 
on my iPhone, it'll change on my watch. On the watch, in settings -> general -> 
focus, you can set it to mirror the focus on your iPhone. I don't have my watch 
with me right now, but I'd check to see if there's a way to toggle focus in the 
control panel.

BTW, I used the health app to set up my sleep schedule, so my iPhone goes into 
sleep mode on a regular week day and weekend schedule. You can also add and 
configure different focuses in settings -> focus, on your iPhone.

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From: 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 9:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2



Hi all,

How do I put the apple watch in sleep mode.
Is there such a thing.

Thanks.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 02:30
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Interesting. I'm not sure anyone other than myself has said they use three and 
four taps for haptic time. This works for me even when I don't have sleep mode 
on. Maybe there's another setting I have set somewhere that explains this. I do 
have sleep when wrist down is set to on, so maybe that explains it. My watch 
has also worked this way through multiple
watchOS updates. I'll be interested to hear about the response you get from 
Apple. I have something that works pretty reliably for me.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook, USA

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Hi,

According to Apple, Voiceover users can use the haptic time feature by tapping 
the screen of the apple Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours 
and minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want minutes 
indicated.
The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch screen is off/asleep.

In a recent discussion it seems many people say for them this works only 
reliably if you tap the screen 3 times for hours and minutes and 4 times for 
minutes.

I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm that haptic time rarely worked.
I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I discovered the following which probably 
applies also to my series 5, but I haven't checked it yet although I still have 
the series 5 because I'm a bit of a prograstinater when it comes to selling 
stuff.
Here is what I discovered:

I have a daily "sleep" focus set which starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.
I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g. the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger 
double tap does nothing except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap 
starts hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just the 
minutes.
However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM and before 10:30 PM when the sleep 
focus is not active, the double tap Apple says one should use works just fine 
and the triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep focus is 
active it will give me hours and minutes.

I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message regarding this because I assume this 
is a bug, but not sure until they reply.

What I don't understand is that why we can't use the regular gesture for haptic 
time. Yes, haptic time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is 
available to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you said 
"Speak Time" to "Control with silent mode" instead of "Always".
According to the article, if you don't use Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers 
on the screen for a moment to get haptic time.

Tell time with haptic feedback on Apple Watch - Apple 
Support<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/watch/apd2c755c294/watchos#:~:text=Open%20the%20Apple%20Watch%20app,Silent%20Mode%20under%20Speak%20Time.>


Best regards,
Sieghard
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sleep modeRE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-16 Thread 'Linda C. Knight' via VIPhone
 

 

Hi all,

 

How do I put the apple watch in sleep mode.

Is there such a thing.

 

Thanks.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 02:30
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

 

Interesting. I’m not sure anyone other than myself has said they use three and 
four taps for haptic time. This works for me even when I don’t have sleep mode 
on. Maybe there’s another setting I have set somewhere that explains this. I do 
have sleep when wrist down is set to on, so maybe that explains it. My watch 
has also worked this way through multiple 

watchOS updates. I’ll be interested to hear about the response you get from 
Apple. I have something that works pretty reliably for me.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

 

Hi,

 

According to Apple, Voiceover users can use the haptic time feature by tapping 
the screen of the apple Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours 
and minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want minutes 
indicated.

The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch screen is off/asleep.

 

In a recent discussion it seems many people say for them this works only 
reliably if you tap the screen 3 times for hours and minutes and 4 times for 
minutes.

 

I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm that haptic time rarely worked.

I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I discovered the following which probably 
applies also to my series 5, but I haven’t checked it yet although I still have 
the series 5 because I’m a bit of a prograstinater when it comes to selling 
stuff.

Here is what I discovered:

 

I have a daily “sleep” focus set which starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.

I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g. the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger 
double tap does nothing except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap 
starts hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just the 
minutes.

However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM and before 10:30 PM when the sleep 
focus is not active, the double tap Apple says one should use works just fine 
and the triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep focus is 
active it will give me hours and minutes.

 

I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message regarding this because I assume this 
is a bug, but not sure until they reply.

 

What I don’t understand is that why we can’t use the regular gesture for haptic 
time. Yes, haptic time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is 
available to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you said 
“Speak Time” to “Control with silent mode” instead of “Always”.

According to the article, if you don’t use Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers 
on the screen for a moment to get haptic time.

 

Tell time with haptic feedback on Apple Watch - Apple Support 
<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/watch/apd2c755c294/watchos#:~:text=Open%20the%20Apple%20Watch%20app,Silent%20Mode%20under%20Speak%20Time.>
 

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

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RE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-16 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I also have an SE. I wouldn't think this would make any difference, but maybe 
this plays into it somehow.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 7:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2


On my Apple Watch SE I have never been able to use taptic time using 1 finger 
double taps.  I have always had to use the 3 and 4 taps.



I have also turned VO off and tried the 2 finger tap and hold and I have never 
gotten that to work either.  Poor sighted folks. :)



Dan Beaver

Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA
On 12/16/2023 2:29 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
Interesting. I'm not sure anyone other than myself has said they use three and 
four taps for haptic time. This works for me even when I don't have sleep mode 
on. Maybe there's another setting I have set somewhere that explains this. I do 
have sleep when wrist down is set to on, so maybe that explains it. My watch 
has also worked this way through multiple
watchOS updates. I'll be interested to hear about the response you get from 
Apple. I have something that works pretty reliably for me.

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<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Hi,

According to Apple, Voiceover users can use the haptic time feature by tapping 
the screen of the apple Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours 
and minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want minutes 
indicated.
The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch screen is off/asleep.

In a recent discussion it seems many people say for them this works only 
reliably if you tap the screen 3 times for hours and minutes and 4 times for 
minutes.

I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm that haptic time rarely worked.
I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I discovered the following which probably 
applies also to my series 5, but I haven't checked it yet although I still have 
the series 5 because I'm a bit of a prograstinater when it comes to selling 
stuff.
Here is what I discovered:

I have a daily "sleep" focus set which starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.
I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g. the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger 
double tap does nothing except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap 
starts hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just the 
minutes.
However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM and before 10:30 PM when the sleep 
focus is not active, the double tap Apple says one should use works just fine 
and the triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep focus is 
active it will give me hours and minutes.

I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message regarding this because I assume this 
is a bug, but not sure until they reply.

What I don't understand is that why we can't use the regular gesture for haptic 
time. Yes, haptic time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is 
available to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you said 
"Speak Time" to "Control with silent mode" instead of "Always".
According to the article, if you don't use Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers 
on the screen for a moment to get haptic time.

Tell time with haptic feedback on Apple Watch - Apple 
Support<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/watch/apd2c755c294/watchos#:~:text=Open%20the%20Apple%20Watch%20app,Silent%20Mode%20under%20Speak%20Time.>


Best regards,
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Re: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-16 Thread Dan


  
  
On my Apple Watch SE I have never been
able to use taptic time using 1 finger double taps.  I have
always had to use the 3 and 4 taps.

  
I have also turned VO off and tried the 2
finger tap and hold and I have never gotten that to work
either.  Poor sighted folks. :)

  
Dan Beaver 

Dan Beaver (KA4DAN) USA
On 12/16/2023 2:29 AM, Christopher
  Chaltain wrote:


  
  
Interesting. I’m not sure anyone
other than myself has said they use three and four taps for
haptic time. This works for me even when I don’t have sleep
mode on. Maybe there’s another setting I have set somewhere
that explains this. I do have sleep when wrist down is set
to on, so maybe that explains it. My watch has also worked
this way through multiple
  
watchOS updates. I’ll be interested
to hear about the response you get from Apple. I have
something that works pretty reliably for me.
 

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  Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 

  
From:
viphone@googlegroups.com

On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2
  

 
Hi,
 
According to Apple, Voiceover users can use
  the haptic time feature by tapping the screen of the apple
      Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours and
  minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want
  minutes indicated.
The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch
  screen is off/asleep.
 
In a recent discussion it seems many people
  say for them this works only reliably if you tap the screen 3
  times for hours and minutes and 4 times for minutes.
 
I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm
  that haptic time rarely worked.
I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I
  discovered the following which probably applies also to my
  series 5, but I haven’t checked it yet although I still have
  the series 5 because I’m a bit of a prograstinater when it
  comes to selling stuff.
Here is what I discovered:
 
I have a daily “sleep” focus set which
  starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.
I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g.
  the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger double tap does nothing
  except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap starts
  hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just
  the minutes.
However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM
  and before 10:30 PM when the sleep focus is not active, the
  double tap Apple says one should use works just fine and the
  triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep
  focus is active it will give me hours and minutes.
 
I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message
  regarding this because I assume this is a bug, but not sure
  until they reply.
 
What I don’t understand is that why we
  can’t use the regular gesture for haptic time. Yes, haptic
  time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is available
  to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you
  said “Speak Time” to “Control with silent mode” instead of
  “Always”.
According to the article, if you don’t use
  Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers on the screen for a moment
  to get haptic time.
 
Tell time with haptic feedback on
    Apple Watch - Apple Support
 
 
Best regards,
Sieghard
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RE: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-15 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Interesting. I'm not sure anyone other than myself has said they use three and 
four taps for haptic time. This works for me even when I don't have sleep mode 
on. Maybe there's another setting I have set somewhere that explains this. I do 
have sleep when wrist down is set to on, so maybe that explains it. My watch 
has also worked this way through multiple
watchOS updates. I'll be interested to hear about the response you get from 
Apple. I have something that works pretty reliably for me.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

Hi,

According to Apple, Voiceover users can use the haptic time feature by tapping 
the screen of the apple Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours 
and minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want minutes 
indicated.
The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch screen is off/asleep.

In a recent discussion it seems many people say for them this works only 
reliably if you tap the screen 3 times for hours and minutes and 4 times for 
minutes.

I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm that haptic time rarely worked.
I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I discovered the following which probably 
applies also to my series 5, but I haven't checked it yet although I still have 
the series 5 because I'm a bit of a prograstinater when it comes to selling 
stuff.
Here is what I discovered:

I have a daily "sleep" focus set which starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.
I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g. the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger 
double tap does nothing except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap 
starts hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just the 
minutes.
However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM and before 10:30 PM when the sleep 
focus is not active, the double tap Apple says one should use works just fine 
and the triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep focus is 
active it will give me hours and minutes.

I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message regarding this because I assume this 
is a bug, but not sure until they reply.

What I don't understand is that why we can't use the regular gesture for haptic 
time. Yes, haptic time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is 
available to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you said 
"Speak Time" to "Control with silent mode" instead of "Always".
According to the article, if you don't use Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers 
on the screen for a moment to get haptic time.

Tell time with haptic feedback on Apple Watch - Apple 
Support<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/watch/apd2c755c294/watchos#:~:text=Open%20the%20Apple%20Watch%20app,Silent%20Mode%20under%20Speak%20Time.>


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Haptic time on Apple Watch Ultra 2

2023-12-15 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi,

According to Apple, Voiceover users can use the haptic time feature by tapping 
the screen of the apple Watch twice with one finger to get the time in hours 
and minutes and tap three times if you know the hour and only want minutes 
indicated.
The prerequesit is that the Apple Watch screen is off/asleep.

In a recent discussion it seems many people say for them this works only 
reliably if you tap the screen 3 times for hours and minutes and 4 times for 
minutes.

I found with my Apple Watch series 5 40mm that haptic time rarely worked.
I now have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 and I discovered the following which probably 
applies also to my series 5, but I haven't checked it yet although I still have 
the series 5 because I'm a bit of a prograstinater when it comes to selling 
stuff.
Here is what I discovered:

I have a daily "sleep" focus set which starts at 10:30 PM and it stops at 7 AM.
I found that if it is past 10:30 PM, e.g. the sleep focus is active, a 1-finger 
double tap does nothing except it wakes up the display, but a 3-finger tap 
starts hours and minutes in haptic time and a quadruple tap does just the 
minutes.
However, during the day, e.g. after 7 AM and before 10:30 PM when the sleep 
focus is not active, the double tap Apple says one should use works just fine 
and the triple tap gives me just minutes even though when the sleep focus is 
active it will give me hours and minutes.

I just wrote Apple Accessibility a message regarding this because I assume this 
is a bug, but not sure until they reply.

What I don't understand is that why we can't use the regular gesture for haptic 
time. Yes, haptic time is not actually an accessibility feature, it is 
available to all Apple Watch users in Settings > Clock as long as you said 
"Speak Time" to "Control with silent mode" instead of "Always".
According to the article, if you don't use Voiceover you simply rest 2 fingers 
on the screen for a moment to get haptic time.

Tell time with haptic feedback on Apple Watch - Apple 
Support<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/watch/apd2c755c294/watchos#:~:text=Open%20the%20Apple%20Watch%20app,Silent%20Mode%20under%20Speak%20Time.>


Best regards,
Sieghard

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Re: How do I use Apple Pay from my Apple Watch? Hi,

2023-12-05 Thread alban hoxha


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2023 3:22:49 PM
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I’d encourage you to follow the wishes of the owner and moderator of this list, 
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If I were the group mod or owner he would’ve been removed long ago.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Is anything ever going to be done about these empty messages?



On Dec 5, 2023, at 7:31 AM, alban hoxha 
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Hi Keith,

All you have to do is double tap the side button and then hold it up to the 
reader. It has be unlocked on your wrist.

Hope this helps,

Jenn
Jenn and Kumi

> On Dec 3, 2023, at 3:50 PM, Keith Kramlinger 
> mailto:kgkramlin...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I have my credit card loaded into Apple Pay and in my wallet on both my 
> iPhone and my Apple Watch.
> How do I use my Apple Watch to pay with Apple Pay? A step-by-step guide would 
> be appreciated.
> Thanks. Keith
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Re: How do I use Apple Pay from my Apple Watch? Hi,

2023-12-05 Thread Ryan Mann
This same person is on other email lists that I am subscribed to.  He does the same thing on the other groups.  I wonder if this  is a bot instead of a human. Ryan MannCertified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialistrmann0...@gmail.com386-383-5175On Dec 5, 2023, at 8:32 AM, Dennis Long  wrote:If I were the group mod or owner he would’ve been removed long ago. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brandon OlivaresSent: Tuesday, December 5, 2023 7:33 AMTo: VIPhone Subject: Re: How do I use Apple Pay from my Apple Watch? Hi, Is anything ever going to be done about these empty messages?On Dec 5, 2023, at 7:31 AM, alban hoxha <albanhoxha1...@outlook.com> wrote:  From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Jennie Facer <jennie.fa...@gmail.com>Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 1:10:26 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com>Subject: Re: How do I use Apple Pay from my Apple Watch? Hi,  Hi Keith,All you have to do is double tap the side button and then hold it up to the reader. It has be unlocked on your wrist.Hope this helps,JennJenn and Kumi> On Dec 3, 2023, at 3:50 PM, Keith Kramlinger <kgkramlin...@outlook.com> wrote:> > Hi,> I have my credit card loaded into Apple Pay and in my wallet on both my iPhone and my Apple Watch.> How do I use my Apple Watch to pay with Apple Pay? A step-by-step guide would be appreciated.> Thanks. Keith> > --> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.> > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.> > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > The archives for this list can be searched at:> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/> ---> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/DM5PR02MB3179E350DA1EF87B7E38F8F4DE87A%40DM5PR02MB3179.namprd02.prod.outlook.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2E51FE11-31D6-41A6-8F45-B2227A52A62B%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/AS8P251MB02945D6884D7BE3B92DB9845C985A%40AS8P251MB0294.EURP251.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.

RE: How do I use Apple Pay from my Apple Watch? Hi,

2023-12-05 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I’d encourage you to follow the wishes of the owner and moderator of this list, 
namely “If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, 
or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself” I’m not sure 
what the issue is behind the blank posts, but long time list members should 
know these should not be brought up on list. I end up having to use the delete 
key two or three times instead of just once.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2023 7:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How do I use Apple Pay from my Apple Watch? Hi,

If I were the group mod or owner he would’ve been removed long ago.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Brandon Olivares
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2023 7:33 AM
To: VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: How do I use Apple Pay from my Apple Watch? Hi,

Is anything ever going to be done about these empty messages?


On Dec 5, 2023, at 7:31 AM, alban hoxha 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: How do I use Apple Pay from my Apple Watch? Hi,

Hi Keith,

All you have to do is double tap the side button and then hold it up to the 
reader. It has be unlocked on your wrist.

Hope this helps,

Jenn
Jenn and Kumi

> On Dec 3, 2023, at 3:50 PM, Keith Kramlinger 
> mailto:kgkramlin...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I have my credit card loaded into Apple Pay and in my wallet on both my 
> iPhone and my Apple Watch.
> How do I use my Apple Watch to pay with Apple Pay? A step-by-step guide would 
> be appreciated.
> Thanks. Keith
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Re: How do I use Apple Pay from my Apple Watch? Hi,

2023-12-05 Thread curmudgeon
Hi, this is Kelly I'm his daughter my father passed away in MayOn Dec 5, 2023, at 7:32 AM, Dennis Long  wrote:If I were the group mod or owner he would’ve been removed long ago. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brandon OlivaresSent: Tuesday, December 5, 2023 7:33 AMTo: VIPhone Subject: Re: How do I use Apple Pay from my Apple Watch? Hi, Is anything ever going to be done about these empty messages?On Dec 5, 2023, at 7:31 AM, alban hoxha <albanhoxha1...@outlook.com> wrote:  From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Jennie Facer <jennie.fa...@gmail.com>Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 1:10:26 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com>Subject: Re: How do I use Apple Pay from my Apple Watch? Hi,  Hi Keith,All you have to do is double tap the side button and then hold it up to the reader. It has be unlocked on your wrist.Hope this helps,JennJenn and Kumi> On Dec 3, 2023, at 3:50 PM, Keith Kramlinger <kgkramlin...@outlook.com> wrote:> > Hi,> I have my credit card loaded into Apple Pay and in my wallet on both my iPhone and my Apple Watch.> How do I use my Apple Watch to pay with Apple Pay? A step-by-step guide would be appreciated.> Thanks. Keith> > --> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.> > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.> > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > The archives for this list can be searched at:> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/> ---> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/DM5PR02MB3179E350DA1EF87B7E38F8F4DE87A%40DM5PR02MB3179.namprd02.prod.outlook.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor.  Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu.  Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/2E51FE11-31D6-41A6-8F45-B2227A52A62B%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/AS8P251MB02945D6884D7BE3B92DB9845C985A%40AS8P251MB0294.EURP251.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com

RE: How do I use Apple Pay from my Apple Watch? Hi,

2023-12-05 Thread Dennis Long
If I were the group mod or owner he would’ve been removed long ago.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brandon 
Olivares
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2023 7:33 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: How do I use Apple Pay from my Apple Watch? Hi,
 
Is anything ever going to be done about these empty messages?



On Dec 5, 2023, at 7:31 AM, alban hoxha mailto:albanhoxha1...@outlook.com> > wrote:
 
 

  _  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > on behalf of 
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Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 1:10:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Re: How do I use Apple Pay from my Apple Watch? Hi, 
 
Hi Keith,

All you have to do is double tap the side button and then hold it up to the 
reader. It has be unlocked on your wrist.

Hope this helps,

Jenn
Jenn and Kumi

> On Dec 3, 2023, at 3:50 PM, Keith Kramlinger  <mailto:kgkramlin...@outlook.com> > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I have my credit card loaded into Apple Pay and in my wallet on both my 
> iPhone and my Apple Watch.
> How do I use my Apple Watch to pay with Apple Pay? A step-by-step guide would 
> be appreciated.
> Thanks. Keith
> 
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