Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

Yep.  That's why I threw this out there.  He was leaning towards not even
going to the meeting but I think the ideas put forth here is giving him the
confidence he needs.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

I agree with your analysis but unless NB is very knowledgeable and sharp in
explaining the law there is a good chance that OB is going to convince or
confuse the audience at that meeting that NB is the villain who should be
thrown off the grain legs. 



On 12/29/2010 12:20 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: 

Not sure how 'old boy's' (OB) crappy network design is 'new boy's' (NB)
problem.  Unlicensed spectrum is just that, unlicensed, if he wants
protection he should have bought spectrum.  

As long as NB is following part15 rules and not maliciously trying to
interfere with OB's network then OB has to accept interference from NB's
network, just as NB has to accept interference from OB's network.

It seems that NB has tried to get along, it is about time OB started taking
some responsibility for his network.

I don't get to tell everyone that bought a wireless router in town to take
them back because they interfere with my WISP.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless


On 12/29/10 1:16 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: 

Here is my take:

Old boy was there first

New boy rolls in on a sweet deal for tower owner

Old boy's network is hosed due to interference from new boy

 

Sound like new boy is the problem regardless of how old boy's network is
built (it worked before new boy came along). I'm guessing no spectrum
analysis was done in advance or new boy would have seen it was a no go. New
boy needs to look at using a different band or buy out old boy.

 

I would HIGHLY recommend new boy bail on 2.4, and use 5.8 UBNT Rockets with
Sectors. He will be able to provide a higher class of service and be
installing what he should have installed in the first place. New boy should
include in the tower agreement language for exclusivity on 3.65, 5.2, 5.4,
and whatever unused channels there are on 5.8. 

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:01 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Problem is old boy doesn't want to change a thing, he seems to think he's
king of the roost since he was first in.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Have everyone use Canopy, sync the aps together, and problems go away.  Or
wait for UBNT AirSync.
Regards,

Chuck

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Robert West 
wrote:

I'm throwing this out there for another WISP to see if anyone has any
experience with something like this or any ideas.

 

Within the past year this operator was asked by a grain operator to bring
broadband to all of their grain legs.  The operator had the idea of, instead
of charging the grain dealer for the install, to offer the broadband for
free in exchange for using the legs for access points and sell the service
to local customers.  The grain dealer agreed, obviously, so he built out a
fairly good sized network.  For equipment he is using all Ubiquiti radios
and CPE units and with Pac grids and Bullets for his back haul and Rockets
with sectors at the APs.  Network has been working perfectly.

 

That's the setup.  Now for the trouble.

 

There was and still is an existing WISP in the area.  60 customers or so.
(Grain dealer is associated with OLD wisp in a roundabout way but chose not
to use him for whatever reason)  It's reported that boy is in love with
Bullets and OMNI antennas on all of his APs.  For CPEs he goes for large
grids and Bullets, I believe.  He also pushes it as far as he can go, 5
miles or more on those OMNI APs.  New operator is using 5.8 for Back Haul,
2.4 for CPE.  Old WISP calls new WISP almost immediately.  Interference
taking down his network.  New wisp changes channels to those suggested by
old wisp.  Calls again, interference.  New wisp changes channels again.
Another phone call, he changes yet again.  Then drops down to 10MHz channels
to give more room.  Still the phone calls.  For a time it was every evening
he would have to deal with old wisp and still he wouldn't be happy.  Old
wisp then starts calling the owners of the grain legs raising hell and bad
mouthing new wisp.  Leg owner calls new wisp, "What's Up?"  Old wisp then
wants to sell his network to new wisp for fantasy cash.  I tell new wisp,
"Chill, don't even think of

Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

But the reality is, New boy saw the signals, albeit weak.  As a good
citizen, he worked around it.  However, if old boy has a stick omni 10 miles
down range giving out a -90 or worse, what's a brother to think?  That's the
problem with omnis, they pick up anything and everything from everywhere.
How can you effectively deal with that unknown.  I have AP's 4, 5, 6 miles
apart, sectorized and using the same spectrum.  No issues.  New boy met with
Old boy a few times and showed him what he was using and suggested he go to
a more professional setup.  No dice.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

This is different than having to deal with consumer routers.

 

This is a matter of paying attention the environment you are rolling into.
Had NB looked at the spectrum, he would have have seen the noise floor and
realized he needed to co-ordinate before rolling out, or looked at a
different band.

 

Instead, NB threw his gear in the air and is now trying to figure out how to
fix it. From a Part-15 "rules" standpoint you are correct. From a
professional standpoint, NB did a crappy job of planning and now wants to
throw the responsibility for his poor planning back on the other guy. 

 

With that said, had NB contacted OB in advance, and discussed co-locating
and OB told him to piss off, then that's a different situation and OB gets
what he deserves.

 

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Not sure how 'old boy's' (OB) crappy network design is 'new boy's' (NB)
problem.  Unlicensed spectrum is just that, unlicensed, if he wants
protection he should have bought spectrum.  

As long as NB is following part15 rules and not maliciously trying to
interfere with OB's network then OB has to accept interference from NB's
network, just as NB has to accept interference from OB's network.

It seems that NB has tried to get along, it is about time OB started taking
some responsibility for his network.

I don't get to tell everyone that bought a wireless router in town to take
them back because they interfere with my WISP.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless


On 12/29/10 1:16 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: 

Here is my take:

Old boy was there first

New boy rolls in on a sweet deal for tower owner

Old boy's network is hosed due to interference from new boy

 

Sound like new boy is the problem regardless of how old boy's network is
built (it worked before new boy came along). I'm guessing no spectrum
analysis was done in advance or new boy would have seen it was a no go. New
boy needs to look at using a different band or buy out old boy.

 

I would HIGHLY recommend new boy bail on 2.4, and use 5.8 UBNT Rockets with
Sectors. He will be able to provide a higher class of service and be
installing what he should have installed in the first place. New boy should
include in the tower agreement language for exclusivity on 3.65, 5.2, 5.4,
and whatever unused channels there are on 5.8. 

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:01 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Problem is old boy doesn't want to change a thing, he seems to think he's
king of the roost since he was first in.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Have everyone use Canopy, sync the aps together, and problems go away.  Or
wait for UBNT AirSync.
Regards,

Chuck

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Robert West 
wrote:

I'm throwing this out there for another WISP to see if anyone has any
experience with something like this or any ideas.

 

Within the past year this operator was asked by a grain operator to bring
broadband to all of their grain legs.  The operator had the idea of, instead
of charging the grain dealer for the install, to offer the broadband for
free in exchange for using the legs for access points and sell the service
to local customers.  The grain dealer agreed, obviously, so he built out a
fairly good sized network.  For equipment he is using all Ubiquiti radios
and CPE units and with Pac grids and Bullets for his back haul and Rockets
with sectors at the APs.  Network has been working perfectly.

 

That's the setup.  Now for the trouble.

 

There was and still is an existing WISP in

Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

Hell, with so few words that makes the most sense out of all of this.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 6:44 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

Or better yet turn off those silly Omni sites and let the old boy wholesale
on the new boys network. Old boy doesn't have to maintain sites and
bandwidth anymore and the spectrum will get used most efficiently because
both operators will not be trying to dance around each other's channel
plans.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Charles N Wyble
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:33 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

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Why don't the two WISPS peer with each other? That seems like a much better
outcome to me. Coordinate all your gear together, go in together on backhaul
etc.

Form a strategic partnership.

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Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

Yeah, I had that once a few years ago.  Took one letter from my lawyer and
it put an end to that.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

   I know of a similar story.  Only twist is old boy is telling their
customers it's all due to new boy.  Can you say slander?
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From: Robert West 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:24:54 -0500
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

Actually he did do a scan and in a normal situation  there would be plenty
of room for both however old boy insists on a stick omni as an AP which
tells me that he was marginal at best even without new boy.  New boy tried
to convince old boy to try going to sectors and upgrading things but he's
set in his ways.
 
If the noise was intolerable new boy would have issues but there isn't any
on his end yet he's changed his frequencies to everything old boy asked him
to.  They could both co-exist in the same spectrum if old boy would just
face the fact that he needs to step up a little with his network
engenerring, in my opinion.
 
 
 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

Here is my take:
Old boy was there first
New boy rolls in on a sweet deal for tower owner
Old boy's network is hosed due to interference from new boy
 
Sound like new boy is the problem regardless of how old boy's network is
built (it worked before new boy came along). I'm guessing no spectrum
analysis was done in advance or new boy would have seen it was a no go. New
boy needs to look at using a different band or buy out old boy.
 
I would HIGHLY recommend new boy bail on 2.4, and use 5.8 UBNT Rockets with
Sectors. He will be able to provide a higher class of service and be
installing what he should have installed in the first place. New boy should
include in the tower agreement language for exclusivity on 3.65, 5.2, 5.4,
and whatever unused channels there are on 5.8. 
 

- Jerry
 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:01 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

Problem is old boy doesn't want to change a thing, he seems to think he's
king of the roost since he was first in.
 
 
 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

Have everyone use Canopy, sync the aps together, and problems go away.  Or
wait for UBNT AirSync.
Regards,

Chuck

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Robert West 
wrote:

I'm throwing this out there for another WISP to see if anyone has any
experience with something like this or any ideas.
 
Within the past year this operator was asked by a grain operator to bring
broadband to all of their grain legs.  The operator had the idea of, instead
of charging the grain dealer for the install, to offer the broadband for
free in exchange for using the legs for access points and sell the service
to local customers.  The grain dealer agreed, obviously, so he built out a
fairly good sized network.  For equipment he is using all Ubiquiti radios
and CPE units and with Pac grids and Bullets for his back haul and Rockets
with sectors at the APs.  Network has been working perfectly.
 
That's the setup.  Now for the trouble.
 
There was and still is an existing WISP in the area.  60 customers or so.
(Grain dealer is associated with OLD wisp in a roundabout way but chose not
to use him for whatever reason)  It's reported that boy is in love with
Bullets and OMNI antennas on all of his APs.  For CPEs he goes for large
grids and Bullets, I believe.  He also pushes it as far as he can go, 5
miles or more on those OMNI APs.  New operator is using 5.8 for Back Haul,
2.4 for CPE.  Old WISP calls new WISP almost immediately.  Interference
taking down his network.  New wisp changes channels to those suggested by
old wisp.  Calls again, interference.  New wisp changes channels again.
Another phone call, he changes yet again.  Then drops down to 10MHz channels
to give more room.  Still the phone calls.  For a time it was every evening
he would have to deal with old wisp and still he wouldn't be happy.  Old
wisp then starts calling the owners of the grain legs raising h

Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

Dunno.  Could be.  I have this vision  in my head of a Linksys router
flashed with DD-WRT taking that setup down as well..

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Well I was thinking an amp was involved to compensate...

On Dec 29, 2010 9:15 PM, "Robert West"  wrote:
> That's what I thought too especially since he's probably using a 12dbi
omni
> or worse.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
> 
> 
> 
> Coax up the tower? There has to be some serious loss there.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Robert West 
> wrote:
> 
> Old boy is using old Bullet2 with a stick omni. Has the antenna on top of
> the tower or leg with coax running all the way down to the ground where he
> has the Bullet. No sectors anywhere. 
> 
> 
> 
> New boy is outfitted with a modern and professional setup. 3 UBNT MIMO
> sectors per AP with Rocket2M. Backhauls are Bullet5M on a 29dbi Pacific
> Wireless grid. All links are at 10MHz channel width including the
> backhauls. 
> 
> 
> 
> We've discussed finding a way to turn off one chain of the rockets, I
really
> wish UBNT had thought about that from the get go on these, seems to be a
no
> brainer, anyhow we talked about that and honestly that would be a good
idea
> but from all I've been hearing, I really don't think this is the entire
> issue old boy is having. With all the phone calls and noise he's been
> making, I'm thinking a lot of it comes from him just being pissed over
> having someone in his territory and doing it better than him. I would put
> money on the idea that even if new boy was able to turn off one chain of
his
> rockets, old boy would still complain because he has been blaming new boy
> for every issue he can think of and word has it that the quality of his
> network sucked before any of this happened. 
> 
> 
> 
> And again, New Boy planned around the existing RF environment and it
> shouldn't have been an issue if not for his low power omnis. The other
side
> should be able to admit that he needs to upgrade a bit in order to meet
half
> way, I think. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:02 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
> 
> 
> 
> Robert,
> 
> 
> 
> Still missing some relevent detail...
> 
> 
> 
> New WISP uses 2.4 sectors.
> 
> Is the Old WISP boy also using 2.4G sectors?
> 
> 
> 
> As well, is the Rocket gear Single Pol or MIMO dual pol gear?
> 
> Expecially, is the new provider's 5.8G PTP and Rocket Sectors MIMO?
> 
> 
> 
> Legally- Part15 means everyone must deploy assuming the risk that there
> could be interference. There are two potential outcomes. 1) Coordination
and
> cooperation or 2) survival of the fittest. This might also come down to
who
> has the best contract with the grain towers. Whether anyone gained solid
> non-interference clauses or spectrum exclusivity clauses in their
contracts,
> versus hand shake deals. 
> 
> 
> 
> I dont agree with the assessment that the problem is the Old Boy's "bad"
> design or unwillingness to change. (see below for justification)
> 
> 
> 
> The fact is, he was there first and had the flexibility to design
optimally
> for his need, and there was really no need for him to design for the new
> providers need, becaue the new provider did not exist at that time. At the
> end oif the day, he has pre-existing custoemrs that need him and that he
> needs revenue from, and he isn;t going to bail on that pre-existing money
> tree, that has been in motion for years. He will fight harder than the new
> provider because, he has more at stake to protect, even though it may be
on
> a smaller scale.
> 
> 
> 
> Both parties are equally obligated to build their networks as interference
> resilent as possible. But there are multiple dissimilar approaches to
> accomplishing that that is jsut as good as another. So who's to say what
is
> ultimately the best practice. Its tough for a company who has buil

Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

And the EIRP was...?  J

 

An OMNI 10 years or so would be cool.  Now, not in my neighborhood!  I use
one for site surveys at times when I'm looking for competing 2.4
frequencies.  The last time I fired it up at home the radios filled the
screen.  

 

Using 5.8 at home now for the laptops.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

   I did a climb for a local WISP back in 2002.  We put a 325 foot run of
LMR400 up a tower with 1 watt amps at the top and bottom. This fed into a
Cisco 340 and an omni.  Could see that thing on a site survey 30 miles away.
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From: Ryan Goldberg 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:14:08 +
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

Hey hey hey now, what are you sayin? - about a million years ago (well, 11
years) I put up a 12dBi omni (fed over ~100 feet of lmr600) with a hyperlink
amp on it.  That was about 3 weeks after I got hired (as a java
programmer?!?) so.
 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

Well I was thinking an amp was involved to compensate...

On Dec 29, 2010 9:15 PM, "Robert West"  wrote:
> That's what I thought too especially since he's probably using a 12dbi
omni
> or worse.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:05 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
> 
> 
> 
> Coax up the tower? There has to be some serious loss there.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Robert West 
> wrote:
> 
> Old boy is using old Bullet2 with a stick omni. Has the antenna on top of
> the tower or leg with coax running all the way down to the ground where he
> has the Bullet. No sectors anywhere. 
> 
> 
> 
> New boy is outfitted with a modern and professional setup. 3 UBNT MIMO
> sectors per AP with Rocket2M. Backhauls are Bullet5M on a 29dbi Pacific
> Wireless grid. All links are at 10MHz channel width including the
> backhauls. 
> 
> 
> 
> We've discussed finding a way to turn off one chain of the rockets, I
really
> wish UBNT had thought about that from the get go on these, seems to be a
no
> brainer, anyhow we talked about that and honestly that would be a good
idea
> but from all I've been hearing, I really don't think this is the entire
> issue old boy is having. With all the phone calls and noise he's been
> making, I'm thinking a lot of it comes from him just being pissed over
> having someone in his territory and doing it better than him. I would put
> money on the idea that even if new boy was able to turn off one chain of
his
> rockets, old boy would still complain because he has been blaming new boy
> for every issue he can think of and word has it that the quality of his
> network sucked before any of this happened. 
> 
> 
> 
> And again, New Boy planned around the existing RF environment and it
> shouldn't have been an issue if not for his low power omnis. The other
side
> should be able to admit that he needs to upgrade a bit in order to meet
half
> way, I think. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:02 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.
> 
> 
> 
> Robert,
> 
> 
> 
> Still missing some relevent detail...
> 
> 
> 
> New WISP uses 2.4 sectors.
> 
> Is the Old WISP boy also using 2.4G sectors?
> 
> 
> 
> As well, is the Rocket gear Single Pol or MIMO dual pol gear?
> 
> Expecially, is the new provider's 5.8G PTP and Rocket Sectors MIMO?
> 
> 
> 
> Legally- Part15 means everyone must deploy assuming the risk that there
> could be interference. There are two potential outcomes. 1) Coordination
and
> cooperation or 2) survival of the fittest. This might also come down to
who
> has the best contract with the grain towers. Whether anyone gained sol

Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

Update on the competitor situation.

 

Today was the big meeting between old boy, new boy and the owners of the
grain legs that new boy is on.

 

Again, old boy is related in a roundabout way to the grain legs owners but
they decided not to have him do this project for them.  

 

Everyone showed up for the meeting but tower owner boys had a surprise
visitor with them.  They brought in OLD HAM RADIO GUY!

 

Old Ham Radio Guy, or just "Ham" was there to be the knowledgeable neutral
party.  

 

Ham looked over the equipment and the network structure, the RF being used
and the interference that old boy was claiming.  In the end, Old Ham was
impressed with New Boys knowledge, professionalism and quality of equipment.
Old boy...  He wasn't impressed with his setup of much else and pointed out
immediately the inherent weakness in his Omni antennas.   However, Ham wrote
up a plan for old boy and new boy to follow and the only real requirement is
that old boy replace those Omnis with sectors and to agree on trying to
separate their coverage area as best they can.   Word is Old Boy has already
obtained a few sectors so we shall see.

 

Thanks for ideas on both sides of this.  I just have to laugh at Old Ham
Dude coming in as the wild card.  You can't argue with an old ham no matter
how much you try.

 

 

 

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

[Robert West]

I've had my Univac-1 running since 1951 and other than the $6,000.00 a month
electric bill it's been perfect for us.

 

No need to change, as far as I can see.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:00 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

 

Just FYI...  

We use linux and windows.  They all run for years without problems.  Not
sure what you guys are doing to cause any server to have problems once a
week but its your problem not windows.  Most likely hardware or lack of
understanding of the person managing it.

Its silly to think any main stream OS is incapable of operating properly and
reliably.  I use and support both OSs so don't let this spin out of control
to an OS discussion. 

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

   

 

  _  

From: "Scottie Arnett" 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:35 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

I am way behind on this threadBut I can say I ran Windows servers from 
1999 - 2008 for almost everything. I have moved everything to Linux in the 
last 2 years because of the problems I have had with Window's servers. The 
only system I still have running Windows is our billing server, and that is 
only because I have not taken the steps to go to a different billing system.

I can say that I had at least 2 to 3(most of the time way more) 
notifications of Windows servers hosting web or mail BEING DOWN EVERY MONTH!

Since I started hosting the websites and mail server on Linux in the last 
two years, I have never had a cell phone alert that anything is down! I have

became a follower. I was one of those believers that though M$ was the $hit,

wrong answer! The internet world was created on Unix and every server you 
have on the net should be Unix or a Linux variant!

Scott

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems


I'm sure many share my experience, similarly or identically.

I have several Linux servers (http, monitoring, mysql/php, etc).
Never an issue with any of them.

One Windows server - for ONLY Quickbooks. I have issues with it at
least once a week. Updates reboot it and configuration is lost.
Rights to add a printer for the CPA. Rights for IE's security
permissions. Disk filled up with 10 gigabytes of Windows junk
(updates I'm guessing). It's just a mess.

Defend Windows as much as you want, but you can't deny Windows servers
tend to cost more time.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> Very Well Said Mark Nash. All servers, OS, and software have a learning 
> Curve. I know nothing of Linux. Not because the desire is not there, the 
> time isn't. There are things that I could manage better with a few free 
> apps and Linux servers. But to this point at <700 clients I haven't needed

> it and I will be looking into that in the future.
>
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mark Nash
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:04 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
>
> Nice Shane... How about a server with no NIC. Now THAT would be a secure 
> server, mostly. But what if a user got to the keyboard? Pull the power 
> supply, now they'll surely not be able to break in... WAIT!
> There's still data on the hard drive! Better erase that...
>
> Dude, this is meant to be in jest, and to make a point. I don't currently 
> run any Windows servers due to the engineer that we had in our office 
> (which we now don't have so we have to rely on outside consultants for 
> Linux expertise). But I ran on them for the first 7 years with our mail 
> server, web server, DNS servers, etc.
>
> Anyway...
>
> Flame on about Windows servers, people, but the small business world runs 
> on them. For those of you who own your WISPs and don't know anything about

> servers, don't listen to sensational hype. Take a sensible and tactical 
> approach and do what's right for your business.
> Any server is just a tool. Pluses & minuses. You have to do a cost/benefit

> analysis with a server just as you would which kind of radio to use in the

> field, or who to hire to answer your phones.
>
> On 12/7/2010 7:47 AM, Shane MacDonald wrote:
>> I get scared when I hear "Windows" and "Software" in the same sentence.
>> Then when you add "Server" I usually run.
>>
>> Shane MacDonald
>> KP Performance Antennas
>>
>>
>> On 7-Dec-10, at 8:11 AM, Curtis Maurand wrote:
>>
>>> We used Rodopi. If you can handle the fact that its Windows and
>>> ASP.NET and MSSQL server, its OK. It works very well and ver

Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

[Robert West]

Hell no.  Boy tried to put the hard sell on me for that but I wasn't falling
for it.

 

We're cool.  Had the electric co-op put in the aux sub-station out back, no
issues.  A waste, in my eyes.

 

I'm not THAT flippin' stupid.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 6:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

 

LOL! You didnt get the EC #OU812 added which lowers the electric usage? ;)

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

I've had my Univac-1 running since 1951 and other than the $6,000.00 a month
electric bill it's been perfect for us.

 

No need to change, as far as I can see.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:00 AM
To: WISPA General List


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

 

Just FYI...  

We use linux and windows.  They all run for years without problems.  Not
sure what you guys are doing to cause any server to have problems once a
week but its your problem not windows.  Most likely hardware or lack of
understanding of the person managing it.

Its silly to think any main stream OS is incapable of operating properly and
reliably.  I use and support both OSs so don't let this spin out of control
to an OS discussion. 

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

  <http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg> 

 

  _  

From: "Scottie Arnett" 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:35 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

I am way behind on this threadBut I can say I ran Windows servers from 
1999 - 2008 for almost everything. I have moved everything to Linux in the 
last 2 years because of the problems I have had with Window's servers. The 
only system I still have running Windows is our billing server, and that is 
only because I have not taken the steps to go to a different billing system.

I can say that I had at least 2 to 3(most of the time way more) 
notifications of Windows servers hosting web or mail BEING DOWN EVERY MONTH!

Since I started hosting the websites and mail server on Linux in the last 
two years, I have never had a cell phone alert that anything is down! I have

became a follower. I was one of those believers that though M$ was the $hit,

wrong answer! The internet world was created on Unix and every server you 
have on the net should be Unix or a Linux variant!

Scott

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems


I'm sure many share my experience, similarly or identically.

I have several Linux servers (http, monitoring, mysql/php, etc).
Never an issue with any of them.

One Windows server - for ONLY Quickbooks. I have issues with it at
least once a week. Updates reboot it and configuration is lost.
Rights to add a printer for the CPA. Rights for IE's security
permissions. Disk filled up with 10 gigabytes of Windows junk
(updates I'm guessing). It's just a mess.

Defend Windows as much as you want, but you can't deny Windows servers
tend to cost more time.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:
> Very Well Said Mark Nash. All servers, OS, and software have a learning 
> Curve. I know nothing of Linux. Not because the desire is not there, the 
> time isn't. There are things that I could manage better with a few free 
> apps and Linux servers. But to this point at <700 clients I haven't needed

> it and I will be looking into that in the future.
>
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mark Nash
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 12:04 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems
>
> Nice Shane... How about a server with no NIC. Now THAT would be a secure 
> server, mostly. But what if a user got to the keyboard? Pull the power 
> supply, now they'll surely not be able to break in... WAIT!
> There's still data on the hard drive! Better erase that...
>
> Dude, this is meant to be in jest, and to make a point. I don't currently 
> run any Windows servers due to the engineer that we had in our office 
> (which we now don't have so we have to rely on outside consultants for 
> Linux expertise). But I ran on them for the first 7 years with our mail 
> server, web server, DNS servers, etc.
>
> Anyway...
>
> Flame on about Windows servers, people, but the small business world runs 
> on 

Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

Ha!  Ain't that the truth!

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Even if they're wrong, you won't win!



 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 12/31/2010 4:04 PM, Robert West wrote: 

Update on the competitor situation.

 

Today was the big meeting between old boy, new boy and the owners of the
grain legs that new boy is on.

 

Again, old boy is related in a roundabout way to the grain legs owners but
they decided not to have him do this project for them.  

 

Everyone showed up for the meeting but tower owner boys had a surprise
visitor with them.  They brought in OLD HAM RADIO GUY!

 

Old Ham Radio Guy, or just "Ham" was there to be the knowledgeable neutral
party.  

 

Ham looked over the equipment and the network structure, the RF being used
and the interference that old boy was claiming.  In the end, Old Ham was
impressed with New Boys knowledge, professionalism and quality of equipment.
Old boy...  He wasn't impressed with his setup of much else and pointed out
immediately the inherent weakness in his Omni antennas.   However, Ham wrote
up a plan for old boy and new boy to follow and the only real requirement is
that old boy replace those Omnis with sectors and to agree on trying to
separate their coverage area as best they can.   Word is Old Boy has already
obtained a few sectors so we shall see.

 

Thanks for ideas on both sides of this.  I just have to laugh at Old Ham
Dude coming in as the wild card.  You can't argue with an old ham no matter
how much you try.

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

But they aren't on the same grain legs, just within LOS of each other.  But
as far as getting things on paper, you're right although I'd rather have
exclusive use.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Bottom line in all this is very simple.

 

When your the first on a grainleg - make a contract that is rock solid.

Get the right of first refusal on any frequency and get it on paper.

 

While handshakes are nice - paper wins hands down. 

 

 

On Jan 1, 2011, at 11:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:





Even if they're wrong, you won't win!



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/> 
 


On 12/31/2010 4:04 PM, Robert West wrote: 

Update on the competitor situation.

 

Today was the big meeting between old boy, new boy and the owners of the
grain legs that new boy is on.

 

Again, old boy is related in a roundabout way to the grain legs owners but
they decided not to have him do this project for them.  

 

Everyone showed up for the meeting but tower owner boys had a surprise
visitor with them.  They brought in OLD HAM RADIO GUY!

 

Old Ham Radio Guy, or just "Ham" was there to be the knowledgeable neutral
party.  

 

Ham looked over the equipment and the network structure, the RF being used
and the interference that old boy was claiming.  In the end, Old Ham was
impressed with New Boys knowledge, professionalism and quality of equipment.
Old boy...  He wasn't impressed with his setup of much else and pointed out
immediately the inherent weakness in his Omni antennas.   However, Ham wrote
up a plan for old boy and new boy to follow and the only real requirement is
that old boy replace those Omnis with sectors and to agree on trying to
separate their coverage area as best they can.   Word is Old Boy has already
obtained a few sectors so we shall see.

 

Thanks for ideas on both sides of this.  I just have to laugh at Old Ham
Dude coming in as the wild card.  You can't argue with an old ham no matter
how much you try.

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

Smart way to operate, IMO.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 5:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

We have first right on all three bands. Saved us more than once

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 2:22 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

But they aren't on the same grain legs, just within LOS of each other.  But
as far as getting things on paper, you're right although I'd rather have
exclusive use.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Bottom line in all this is very simple.

 

When your the first on a grainleg - make a contract that is rock solid.

Get the right of first refusal on any frequency and get it on paper.

 

While handshakes are nice - paper wins hands down. 

 

 

On Jan 1, 2011, at 11:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 

Even if they're wrong, you won't win!

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/> 
 


On 12/31/2010 4:04 PM, Robert West wrote: 

Update on the competitor situation.

 

Today was the big meeting between old boy, new boy and the owners of the
grain legs that new boy is on.

 

Again, old boy is related in a roundabout way to the grain legs owners but
they decided not to have him do this project for them.  

 

Everyone showed up for the meeting but tower owner boys had a surprise
visitor with them.  They brought in OLD HAM RADIO GUY!

 

Old Ham Radio Guy, or just "Ham" was there to be the knowledgeable neutral
party.  

 

Ham looked over the equipment and the network structure, the RF being used
and the interference that old boy was claiming.  In the end, Old Ham was
impressed with New Boys knowledge, professionalism and quality of equipment.
Old boy...  He wasn't impressed with his setup of much else and pointed out
immediately the inherent weakness in his Omni antennas.   However, Ham wrote
up a plan for old boy and new boy to follow and the only real requirement is
that old boy replace those Omnis with sectors and to agree on trying to
separate their coverage area as best they can.   Word is Old Boy has already
obtained a few sectors so we shall see.

 

Thanks for ideas on both sides of this.  I just have to laugh at Old Ham
Dude coming in as the wild card.  You can't argue with an old ham no matter
how much you try.

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] Figuring it out

[Robert West]

http://www.sixnet.com/product/6-port-industrial-ethernet-oem-managed-switch-
115.cfm

I looked at these when working on a solar install.  Never ordered though,
found a non-solar solution.



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Lambert
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 7:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Figuring it out

On Sat, Jan 01, 2011 at 09:43:32AM -0800, MDK wrote:
> Unless someone knows of a managed switch that uses less than 3W power, 
> I'm stuck with dumb switches...

RB493G PDF:

http://routerboard.com/pricelist/download_file.php?file_id=259

" Power consumption ~3W without extension cards, maximum -- 16 "

What I don't understand is the RB250GS 5port switch only, claims "up to 6W."

The PDFs for RB450G and RB750G say "6.4W at maximum load."

The PDF for RB750 (100Mbps ports) says "Up to 3W."

I don't know if any of those would be suitable for use as a switch in your
situation...

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Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

[Robert West]

I believe he has exclusive use of a 300 foot tower and all grain legs he's
the only one on.  Shouldn't be any additional expense for him other than
equipment.  

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

LOL. 

 

The question I have is

Was OLD BOY on a per antenna or per grain leg contract?

Meaning, to accommodate OLD HAM's Request, did Old boy get consessions of
getting free colo for the added sector antennas? Or did Old boy have to pay
more rent for more antennas?

 

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Robert West <mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com>  

To: 'WISPA General List' <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>  

Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 5:04 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can't make a competitor happy.

 

Update on the competitor situation.

 

Today was the big meeting between old boy, new boy and the owners of the
grain legs that new boy is on.

 

Again, old boy is related in a roundabout way to the grain legs owners but
they decided not to have him do this project for them.  

 

Everyone showed up for the meeting but tower owner boys had a surprise
visitor with them.  They brought in OLD HAM RADIO GUY!

 

Old Ham Radio Guy, or just "Ham" was there to be the knowledgeable neutral
party.  

 

Ham looked over the equipment and the network structure, the RF being used
and the interference that old boy was claiming.  In the end, Old Ham was
impressed with New Boys knowledge, professionalism and quality of equipment.
Old boy...  He wasn't impressed with his setup of much else and pointed out
immediately the inherent weakness in his Omni antennas.   However, Ham wrote
up a plan for old boy and new boy to follow and the only real requirement is
that old boy replace those Omnis with sectors and to agree on trying to
separate their coverage area as best they can.   Word is Old Boy has already
obtained a few sectors so we shall see.

 

Thanks for ideas on both sides of this.  I just have to laugh at Old Ham
Dude coming in as the wild card.  You can't argue with an old ham no matter
how much you try.

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Ohio news article mentions Just Micro

[Robert West]

Cool, didn't see that until Now, Thanks!.  Girl was saying she was gonna
publish today but I forgot.

Yeah, Liam and I have been working it down there.  It's one heck of a mess
and I guess has been for years.  Hopefully it's coming to an end and these
people can get some reliable service without all the players going to
jail.!

Bob-


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Behalf Of David Hulsebus
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 9:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Ohio news article mentions Just Micro

Nice article. Congrats Robert

http://www.oxfordpress.com/news/oxford-news/internet-companies-expanding-int
o-butler-county-1044261.html

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Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

[Robert West]

First time with my eyes.  Looks impressive though.  Design reminds me of an
old Andrews configuration except for that bonus "Mechanical slide" that the
Andrews never had except for a big $$ addition.  I really like the 130
degree beam width which would fix my issues with the 120 degree UBNT sectors
not quite getting there.

 

Hm..  

 

What are the price points on these dudes?  

 

Me-

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:32 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

any experience with these? Any good?

 

http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf

 

 



 

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

[Robert West]

What the heck you using a PCI slot for on a survey?  I thought I was the
weird one!

I use a simple piece of crap netbook that cost me zilch and plug the radios
into the RJ45 jack.  I would think anything permanently mounted in a truck
isn't going to show you the viability of an install 20 feet up on the roof.
Unless, of course..  Never mind, secret.

By the way, I think I killed a bunch more birds with my broadband mind
control experiments.  These 12 bit Quad antennas are just a mess.  Need to
adjust something, just don't know what yet.

Moving on

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Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:28 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

I am looking for a low-cost computer that will operate on 12-volt DC
(vehicle power) directly and will run windows.  It needs at least 1 PCI slot
or 3 mPCI slots.  I want to "permanently" mount it in my truck to do site
surveys, etc.  Any suggestions?

--
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Owner
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Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified
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Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

[Robert West]

Well, the math says that since I've been installing 4 UBNT 120 degree
sectors to give the right coverage from an AP at a cost of 600 bucks, 3 of
these would only equal 510 plus tax.  The difference would pay for shipping
easily.  The bonus, hard to say it, but it's the single polarity.  With a
5.8 system it's important to me to be able to separate polarity between the
backhaul and the AP.  Man, I really wish UBNT would have the firmware option
to turn off one chain on the Rockets  Who has a network that needs to
deliver 300mbps (in a perfect world) to the customer?  

 

These look good.  Who is stocking them?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

I got a quote for 170 each ordering Qty 3ea

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:39 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

First time with my eyes.  Looks impressive though.  Design reminds me of an
old Andrews configuration except for that bonus "Mechanical slide" that the
Andrews never had except for a big $$ addition.  I really like the 130
degree beam width which would fix my issues with the 120 degree UBNT sectors
not quite getting there.

 

Hm..  

 

What are the price points on these dudes?  

 

Me-

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:32 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

any experience with these? Any good?

 

http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf

 

 



 

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

[Robert West]

Ditto.

 

 

 

(This comes from my 12th dimension twin.  Please ignore.)

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 8:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

 

Linux version is harder to use then Windows in my opinion.  I an a decent
linux advocate too.

Primarily ip changing problems.  Browser is easy enough and had bash.

On Jan 4, 2011 8:55 PM, "Jerry Richardson"  wrote:
> Just buy a refurbished 10" eeePC, and get a mount.
> 
> It's hardened, no hard drive, cheap, and ready to go.
> 
> I like the linux version.
> 
> - Jerry
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 5:52 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer
> 
> Not cheap but cool: http://www.islandtimepc.com/marinepc.html
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Scott Reed
mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net>> wrote:
> I am looking for a low-cost computer that will operate on 12-volt DC
> (vehicle power) directly and will run windows. It needs at least 1 PCI
> slot or 3 mPCI slots. I want to "permanently" mount it in my truck to
> do site surveys, etc. Any suggestions?
> 
> --
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> Owner
> NewWays Networking, LLC
> Wireless Networking
> Network Design, Installation and Administration
> Mikrotik Advanced Certified
> www.nwwnet.net
> (765) 855-1060
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

[Robert West]

Yep.  An afterthought hardware workaround.  Thought the same thing but messy.  
Would be slick to redirect the energy with a click of the mouse through the 
firmware.  Was suggested early on during the beta tests but was dismissed by 
those who were blinded by the glory.  It just makes logical sense to be able to 
easily switch off a chain.  Crazy, man.  Just crazy..

Heck, I can turn off one antenna in a nothing Wal-Mart wireless 
router



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Kristian Hoffmann
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 9:03 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

At the AirMax conference, I think someone from Ubiquiti said you could put a 
couple of 50ohm 30dB attenuators on one chain to externally disable it.

-Kristian

On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 20:05 -0500, Robert West wrote:
> Well, the math says that since I’ve been installing 4 UBNT 120 degree 
> sectors to give the right coverage from an AP at a cost of 600 bucks,
> 3 of these would only equal 510 plus tax.  The difference would pay 
> for shipping easily.  The bonus, hard to say it, but it’s the single 
> polarity.  With a 5.8 system it’s important to me to be able to 
> separate polarity between the backhaul and the AP.  Man, I really wish 
> UBNT would have the firmware option to turn off one chain on the 
> Rockets  Who has a network that needs to deliver 300mbps (in a 
> perfect world) to the customer?
> 
>  
> 
> These look good.  Who is stocking them?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:42 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna
> 
> 
>  
> 
> I got a quote for 170 each ordering Qty 3ea
> 
>  
> 
> - Jerry
> 
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:39 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna
> 
> 
>  
> 
> First time with my eyes.  Looks impressive though.  Design reminds me 
> of an old Andrews configuration except for that bonus “Mechanical 
> slide” that the Andrews never had except for a big $$ addition.  I 
> really like the 130 degree beam width which would fix my issues with 
> the 120 degree UBNT sectors not quite getting there.
> 
>  
> 
> Hm……
> 
>  
> 
> What are the price points on these dudes?  
> 
>  
> 
> Me-
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:32 PM
> To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna
> 
> 
>  
> 
> any experience with these? Any good?
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>
> __
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> 01/04/11
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

[Robert West]

I use a 12 buck Wal-Mart cigarette adapter plugged inverter and the
manufacturer supplied 120 volt to 19 volt adapter.  Keeps my life simple.
Well, simple in a "No Females Involved" kinda way.

 

No disrespect to any females out there.  Well  Never mind.

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 9:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

 

Do they run on direct 12 volts?

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Jerry Richardson 
wrote:

Just buy a refurbished 10" eeePC, and get a mount.

 

It's hardened, no hard drive, cheap, and ready to go. 

 

I like the linux version.

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 5:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

 

Not cheap but cool: http://www.islandtimepc.com/marinepc.html

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Scott Reed  wrote:

I am looking for a low-cost computer that will operate on 12-volt DC
(vehicle power) directly and will run windows.  It needs at least 1 PCI
slot or 3 mPCI slots.  I want to "permanently" mount it in my truck to
do site surveys, etc.  Any suggestions?

--
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Owner
NewWays Networking, LLC
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
Mikrotik Advanced Certified
www.nwwnet.net
(765) 855-1060






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[WISPA] Windmill install

[Robert West]

Just got my first windmill to install on.  How in the heck do you install on
these things?  On the top of the generator housing?Nuts.

 

Only logical thing for me is on the supporting structure under the rotating
housing using sectors.  Yes?  Then what about blocking of the RF by the
blades or worse, a no wind condition and the blades are stationary in front
of a sector?  Anyone???

 

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

Cell 937-903-1286

 



"Affordable Internet For Everyone!"

 

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Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

[Robert West]

Yep.  Should have been a major part of the engineering.  The "Cubical
Culture" sometimes misses what the reality of usefulness in the field is.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chadd Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 9:47 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

As noisy as 2.4 is anymore I don't see how you could run both chains to
begin with. I never realized that you couldn't turn one off. It does seem
like a glaring issue to me.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 8:33 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

Yep.  An afterthought hardware workaround.  Thought the same thing but
messy.  Would be slick to redirect the energy with a click of the mouse
through the firmware.  Was suggested early on during the beta tests but was
dismissed by those who were blinded by the glory.  It just makes logical
sense to be able to easily switch off a chain.  Crazy, man.  Just
crazy..

Heck, I can turn off one antenna in a nothing Wal-Mart wireless
router



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 9:03 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

At the AirMax conference, I think someone from Ubiquiti said you could put a
couple of 50ohm 30dB attenuators on one chain to externally disable it.

-Kristian

On Tue, 2011-01-04 at 20:05 -0500, Robert West wrote:
> Well, the math says that since I've been installing 4 UBNT 120 degree 
> sectors to give the right coverage from an AP at a cost of 600 bucks,
> 3 of these would only equal 510 plus tax.  The difference would pay 
> for shipping easily.  The bonus, hard to say it, but it's the single 
> polarity.  With a 5.8 system it's important to me to be able to 
> separate polarity between the backhaul and the AP.  Man, I really wish 
> UBNT would have the firmware option to turn off one chain on the 
> Rockets  Who has a network that needs to deliver 300mbps (in a 
> perfect world) to the customer?
> 
>  
> 
> These look good.  Who is stocking them?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:42 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna
> 
> 
>  
> 
> I got a quote for 170 each ordering Qty 3ea
> 
>  
> 
> - Jerry
> 
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:39 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna
> 
> 
>  
> 
> First time with my eyes.  Looks impressive though.  Design reminds me 
> of an old Andrews configuration except for that bonus "Mechanical 
> slide" that the Andrews never had except for a big $$ addition.  I 
> really like the 130 degree beam width which would fix my issues with 
> the 120 degree UBNT sectors not quite getting there.
> 
>  
> 
> Hm..
> 
>  
> 
> What are the price points on these dudes?  
> 
>  
> 
> Me-
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:32 PM
> To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna
> 
> 
>  
> 
> any experience with these? Any good?
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>
> __
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Re: [WISPA] Windmill install

[Robert West]

I've come across articles and postings concerning the install of antennas on
windmills quite a few times in the past but never gave it a moment's
attention since it wasn't, at the time, of any relevance to me.  However,
looking at it they are just a big pole shoved up from  the ground about 100
feet or so, why not?  I'm permitted to weld brackets onto the thing as long
as it passes the manufacturers okay.  The top of the generator housing would
be the best as far as location but it rotates and I'd have no wired pathway
to the bottom.  (Rotating sectors? A good use of the "ANY" SSID possibly
The blades being stationary at times worries me by blocking the sectors if
installed high up and if I had to install lower then it wouldn't make much
sense to even use the thing.  The generator housing does have an option to
use power supplied from inside of it but I'd need to work those details out
and if it works I wouldn't be able to access the AP directly from the
bottom, as far as I can tell,  and there are NO climbing pegs!  Yikes!

 

Love this job..

 

 

From: Mike Goicoechea [mailto:m...@cielosystems.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:04 PM
To: robert.w...@just-micro.com
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Windmill install

 

I am very curious of what you are doing with windmills. We have TONS of them
around hear and I often thought about how that would be done. I am also
really interested in seeing how wireless can be utilized with wind-farms.
Best of luck. 

 

Mike Goicoechea

VP of Operations 

Cielo Systems International

806-977-9001 ext 101 

806-763-1945 fax

Skype Mike.Goik

m...@cielosystems.net 

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 8:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Windmill install

 

Just got my first windmill to install on.  How in the heck do you install on
these things?  On the top of the generator housing?Nuts.

 

Only logical thing for me is on the supporting structure under the rotating
housing using sectors.  Yes?  Then what about blocking of the RF by the
blades or worse, a no wind condition and the blades are stationary in front
of a sector?  Anyone???

 

 

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Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

Cell 937-903-1286

 



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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

[Robert West]

So...

 

Run it off the internal battery.  J

 

Had to

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

 

Thats how I do it now but would be nice to bypass the adapter and allow it
for other use.

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Jerry Richardson 
wrote:

No but it wouldn't be hard to install a 3 port socket kit and use a car
adapter.

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

 

Do they run on direct 12 volts?

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Jerry Richardson 
wrote:

Just buy a refurbished 10" eeePC, and get a mount.

 

It's hardened, no hard drive, cheap, and ready to go. 

 

I like the linux version.

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 5:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

 

Not cheap but cool: http://www.islandtimepc.com/marinepc.html

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Scott Reed  wrote:

I am looking for a low-cost computer that will operate on 12-volt DC
(vehicle power) directly and will run windows.  It needs at least 1 PCI
slot or 3 mPCI slots.  I want to "permanently" mount it in my truck to
do site surveys, etc.  Any suggestions?

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Wireless Networking
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

[Robert West]

Sounds like the ultimate war driving vehicle!  Cool on so many
levels



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Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 6:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

OK, after reading a bunch of responses, let's try again.

I am looking for a low-cost, like sub $200 computer that will run off 
12VDC directly and will run Windows.  It needs a PCI slot or at least 3 
mPCI slots. I have a PCI to mPCI adapter so I can put radio cards in a 
machine with just PCI slots. I also need 1 USB port.

I want to  some other that has to have the radios in a Windows machine.  
One of those is inSSIDer which along with a GPS receiver will plot 
signal strength to location as I drive down the road.

On 1/4/2011 7:48 PM, Robert West wrote:
> What the heck you using a PCI slot for on a survey?  I thought I was the
> weird one!
>
> I use a simple piece of crap netbook that cost me zilch and plug the
radios
> into the RJ45 jack.  I would think anything permanently mounted in a truck
> isn't going to show you the viability of an install 20 feet up on the
roof.
> Unless, of course..  Never mind, secret.
>
> By the way, I think I killed a bunch more birds with my broadband mind
> control experiments.  These 12 bit Quad antennas are just a mess.  Need to
> adjust something, just don't know what yet.
>
> Moving on
>
> Jim-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:28 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer
>
> I am looking for a low-cost computer that will operate on 12-volt DC
> (vehicle power) directly and will run windows.  It needs at least 1 PCI
slot
> or 3 mPCI slots.  I want to "permanently" mount it in my truck to do site
> surveys, etc.  Any suggestions?
>
> --
> Scott Reed
> Owner
> NewWays Networking, LLC
> Wireless Networking
> Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced
Certified
> www.nwwnet.net
> (765) 855-1060
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>
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Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

[Robert West]

300mbps to cpe?  I wish!  What mix of equipment are you using?  Logically
the technology needs to ultimately be able to deliver up to a Gig.  I
supposed White Space devices may eventually have that capability but at what
cost?  Would be a major bonus to be able to push that much data cheap enough
to use for residential installs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

I'm engineering everything to be able to deliver that kind of performance
going forward.



 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 1/4/2011 7:05 PM, Robert West wrote: 

Well, the math says that since I've been installing 4 UBNT 120 degree
sectors to give the right coverage from an AP at a cost of 600 bucks, 3 of
these would only equal 510 plus tax.  The difference would pay for shipping
easily.  The bonus, hard to say it, but it's the single polarity.  With a
5.8 system it's important to me to be able to separate polarity between the
backhaul and the AP.  Man, I really wish UBNT would have the firmware option
to turn off one chain on the Rockets  Who has a network that needs to
deliver 300mbps (in a perfect world) to the customer?  

 

These look good.  Who is stocking them?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

I got a quote for 170 each ordering Qty 3ea

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:39 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

First time with my eyes.  Looks impressive though.  Design reminds me of an
old Andrews configuration except for that bonus "Mechanical slide" that the
Andrews never had except for a big $$ addition.  I really like the 130
degree beam width which would fix my issues with the 120 degree UBNT sectors
not quite getting there.

 

Hm..  

 

What are the price points on these dudes?  

 

Me-

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:32 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

any experience with these? Any good?

 

http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf

 

 



 

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Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

[Robert West]

40mhz channel width on all radios?  Licensed or non?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

300 meg association rate, closer to 130 - 150 actual throughput, at the AP,
not at the CPE.  I'd say probably no more than 30 customers per AP.  You
might have usable throughput at the end of that.  :-p





 
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On 1/5/2011 8:14 AM, Robert West wrote: 

300mbps to cpe?  I wish!  What mix of equipment are you using?  Logically
the technology needs to ultimately be able to deliver up to a Gig.  I
supposed White Space devices may eventually have that capability but at what
cost?  Would be a major bonus to be able to push that much data cheap enough
to use for residential installs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

I'm engineering everything to be able to deliver that kind of performance
going forward.




 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 1/4/2011 7:05 PM, Robert West wrote: 

Well, the math says that since I've been installing 4 UBNT 120 degree
sectors to give the right coverage from an AP at a cost of 600 bucks, 3 of
these would only equal 510 plus tax.  The difference would pay for shipping
easily.  The bonus, hard to say it, but it's the single polarity.  With a
5.8 system it's important to me to be able to separate polarity between the
backhaul and the AP.  Man, I really wish UBNT would have the firmware option
to turn off one chain on the Rockets  Who has a network that needs to
deliver 300mbps (in a perfect world) to the customer?  

 

These look good.  Who is stocking them?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

I got a quote for 170 each ordering Qty 3ea

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:39 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

First time with my eyes.  Looks impressive though.  Design reminds me of an
old Andrews configuration except for that bonus "Mechanical slide" that the
Andrews never had except for a big $$ addition.  I really like the 130
degree beam width which would fix my issues with the 120 degree UBNT sectors
not quite getting there.

 

Hm..  

 

What are the price points on these dudes?  

 

Me-

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:32 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

any experience with these? Any good?

 

http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf

 

 



 

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

[Robert West]

Yeah but the hardware sounds similar.  I was just remarking that war driving
freaks would be all over that setup.

WEP cracking?  People still use that???  :)



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:40 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer

ultimate? No WEP/WPA cracking, no mitm ap spoofing, no cookie
sniffing, etc etc

What Scott seams to really want is a 20/40mhz survey rig with a graph.
That can be done from kismet drones ran on any supported hardware (RBs
are supported)

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Robert West 
wrote:
> Sounds like the ultimate war driving vehicle!  Cool on so many
> levels
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Scott Reed
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 6:21 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer
>
> OK, after reading a bunch of responses, let's try again.
>
> I am looking for a low-cost, like sub $200 computer that will run off
> 12VDC directly and will run Windows.  It needs a PCI slot or at least 3
> mPCI slots. I have a PCI to mPCI adapter so I can put radio cards in a
> machine with just PCI slots. I also need 1 USB port.
>
> I want to  some other that has to have the radios in a Windows machine.
> One of those is inSSIDer which along with a GPS receiver will plot
> signal strength to location as I drive down the road.
>
> On 1/4/2011 7:48 PM, Robert West wrote:
>> What the heck you using a PCI slot for on a survey?  I thought I was the
>> weird one!
>>
>> I use a simple piece of crap netbook that cost me zilch and plug the
> radios
>> into the RJ45 jack.  I would think anything permanently mounted in a
truck
>> isn't going to show you the viability of an install 20 feet up on the
> roof.
>> Unless, of course..  Never mind, secret.
>>
>> By the way, I think I killed a bunch more birds with my broadband mind
>> control experiments.  These 12 bit Quad antennas are just a mess.  Need
to
>> adjust something, just don't know what yet.
>>
>> Moving on
>>
>> Jim-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Scott Reed
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:28 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Looking for a low-cost computer
>>
>> I am looking for a low-cost computer that will operate on 12-volt DC
>> (vehicle power) directly and will run windows.  It needs at least 1 PCI
> slot
>> or 3 mPCI slots.  I want to "permanently" mount it in my truck to do site
>> surveys, etc.  Any suggestions?
>>
>> --
>> Scott Reed
>> Owner
>> NewWays Networking, LLC
>> Wireless Networking
>> Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced
> Certified
>> www.nwwnet.net
>> (765) 855-1060
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

[Robert West]

Doing the new GPS Sync on the AP in order to go 40mhz wide?  

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

Those are just Ubiquiti AirMax systems, nothing fancy.



 
-
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On 1/5/2011 10:46 AM, Robert West wrote: 

40mhz channel width on all radios?  Licensed or non?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

300 meg association rate, closer to 130 - 150 actual throughput, at the AP,
not at the CPE.  I'd say probably no more than 30 customers per AP.  You
might have usable throughput at the end of that.  :-p






 
-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 1/5/2011 8:14 AM, Robert West wrote: 

300mbps to cpe?  I wish!  What mix of equipment are you using?  Logically
the technology needs to ultimately be able to deliver up to a Gig.  I
supposed White Space devices may eventually have that capability but at what
cost?  Would be a major bonus to be able to push that much data cheap enough
to use for residential installs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

I'm engineering everything to be able to deliver that kind of performance
going forward.





 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 1/4/2011 7:05 PM, Robert West wrote: 

Well, the math says that since I've been installing 4 UBNT 120 degree
sectors to give the right coverage from an AP at a cost of 600 bucks, 3 of
these would only equal 510 plus tax.  The difference would pay for shipping
easily.  The bonus, hard to say it, but it's the single polarity.  With a
5.8 system it's important to me to be able to separate polarity between the
backhaul and the AP.  Man, I really wish UBNT would have the firmware option
to turn off one chain on the Rockets  Who has a network that needs to
deliver 300mbps (in a perfect world) to the customer?  

 

These look good.  Who is stocking them?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

I got a quote for 170 each ordering Qty 3ea

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:39 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

First time with my eyes.  Looks impressive though.  Design reminds me of an
old Andrews configuration except for that bonus "Mechanical slide" that the
Andrews never had except for a big $$ addition.  I really like the 130
degree beam width which would fix my issues with the 120 degree UBNT sectors
not quite getting there.

 

Hm..  

 

What are the price points on these dudes?  

 

Me-

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:32 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

any experience with these? Any good?

 

http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf

 

 



 

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Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

[Robert West]

How are the NanoBridges?  I haven't started using them yet but suggest Liam
give them a try and replace the NanoStations he's been using.  But he's
doing 2.4 so the gain isn't as great on the 2.4's.  Any experience with the
2.4 flavor over the Nano?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

It's all about how you engineer it.  I'm not judging your installs because I
don't know them, but I hear a lot of people using NanoStations at 5 miles.
You won't have quality connections doing that.  NanoBridge 22s and 25s are
about all I'm looking to use for CPE.  By the time I'm ready to start
building out this year, the beam steering APs should be available.

In suburban areas where there's more noise, there's also more towers, more
customers, so your ranges are less.  I'm expecting 5 - 7 miles.  In the
country, 10 - 15 miles.

In my suburban areas, the noise can be up to -70.





 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 1/5/2011 12:02 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: 

Not sure where you are going to be able to run 3x sectors on 40Mz channels -
at least not where people are.

 

In my fairly noisy area MIMO's strength is the ability get 20-25Mbps on a
10MHz channel

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 6:31 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

300 meg association rate, closer to 130 - 150 actual throughput, at the AP,
not at the CPE.  I'd say probably no more than 30 customers per AP.  You
might have usable throughput at the end of that.  :-p






 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 1/5/2011 8:14 AM, Robert West wrote: 

300mbps to cpe?  I wish!  What mix of equipment are you using?  Logically
the technology needs to ultimately be able to deliver up to a Gig.  I
supposed White Space devices may eventually have that capability but at what
cost?  Would be a major bonus to be able to push that much data cheap enough
to use for residential installs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

I'm engineering everything to be able to deliver that kind of performance
going forward.





 
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 1/4/2011 7:05 PM, Robert West wrote: 

Well, the math says that since I've been installing 4 UBNT 120 degree
sectors to give the right coverage from an AP at a cost of 600 bucks, 3 of
these would only equal 510 plus tax.  The difference would pay for shipping
easily.  The bonus, hard to say it, but it's the single polarity.  With a
5.8 system it's important to me to be able to separate polarity between the
backhaul and the AP.  Man, I really wish UBNT would have the firmware option
to turn off one chain on the Rockets  Who has a network that needs to
deliver 300mbps (in a perfect world) to the customer?  

 

These look good.  Who is stocking them?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

I got a quote for 170 each ordering Qty 3ea

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 4:39 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

First time with my eyes.  Looks impressive though.  Design reminds me of an
old Andrews configuration except for that bonus "Mechanical slide" that the
Andrews never had except for a big $$ addition.  I really like the 130
degree beam width which would fix my issues with the 120 degree UBNT sectors
not quite getting there.

 

Hm..  

 

What are the price points on these dudes?  

 

Me-

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 6:32 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

 

any experience with these? Any good?

 

http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf

 

 



 

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Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

[Robert West]

Yep.  Check 'em out!

http://www.digdice.com/new-ubiquiti-airmax-products-pictures/



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

Steering APs from UBNT?

Greg

On Jan 5, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> It's all about how you engineer it.  I'm not judging your installs because
I don't know them, but I hear a lot of people using NanoStations at 5 miles.
You won't have quality connections doing that.  NanoBridge 22s and 25s are
about all I'm looking to use for CPE.  By the time I'm ready to start
building out this year, the beam steering APs should be available.
> 
> In suburban areas where there's more noise, there's also more towers, more
customers, so your ranges are less.  I'm expecting 5 - 7 miles.  In the
country, 10 - 15 miles.
> 
> In my suburban areas, the noise can be up to -70.
> 





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Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

[Robert West]

Better link.  Has descriptions.

http://www.digdice.com/ubiquiti-new-product-line/




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ARC-VS5818SV1 Antenna

Steering APs from UBNT?

Greg

On Jan 5, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> It's all about how you engineer it.  I'm not judging your installs because
I don't know them, but I hear a lot of people using NanoStations at 5 miles.
You won't have quality connections doing that.  NanoBridge 22s and 25s are
about all I'm looking to use for CPE.  By the time I'm ready to start
building out this year, the beam steering APs should be available.
> 
> In suburban areas where there's more noise, there's also more towers, more
customers, so your ranges are less.  I'm expecting 5 - 7 miles.  In the
country, 10 - 15 miles.
> 
> In my suburban areas, the noise can be up to -70.
> 





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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Robert West]

I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device
someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it
off.  The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel
and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless
device one could think of.  Some would go but the ones that had to work in
secure mode wouldn't allow the redirect.  Bogus.  Turned it off and the
calls went away.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on
the first page load.
We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what
we have on location already.
The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected
to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting "login" or
something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own
stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the "trial" function but
this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So
we couldn't add some form of "login" button to it.
I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the
way.
What is everyone else doing?

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Robert West]

At the beginning it was a disclaimer page that the hotel operator wanted to
have at the suggestion of his lawyer.  Basically it would say "It's free but
everyone else is also on it and don't come crying to me if your computer or
finances get all jacked up".

 

The "Patel" wanted to try to make a buck and sell ad's on the splash page.  

 

But it's gone now.  Thankfully.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not
just creat a page that "looks" like their page. It doesn't have to have all
the functionality of the real page, just a "brochure page" or something to
say thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that "logs them
in" (really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can
continue on to their regular home page. Just an idea.

Cameron

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device
someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it
off.  The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel
and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless
device one could think of.  Some would go but the ones that had to work in
secure mode wouldn't allow the redirect.  Bogus.  Turned it off and the
calls went away.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on
the first page load.
We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what
we have on location already.
The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected
to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting "login" or
something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own
stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the "trial" function but
this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So
we couldn't add some form of "login" button to it.
I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the
way.
What is everyone else doing?

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Robert West]

The problem that I was seeing was that there are many wireless devices now
that don't have any "screen" to see a login button.  Game systems being the
first on my mind.  In hotels, some guests bring their kids game system to
keep them from running the halls..  How can you get these basically blind
systems to punch through a page like that?

 

I never had the time to get the workaround.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

That would work for some of them, In this case, The hotel management company
has a page that the hotel must redirect to. They get "fined" if it doesn't
redirect to the companies specific page.
I'm thinking maybe load it in a frame, or something. And have a login button
above it or something. Was hoping someone had a cleaner way.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

  <http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg> 

 

  _  

From: "Cameron Crum" 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:04 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not
just creat a page that "looks" like their page. It doesn't have to have all
the functionality of the real page, just a "brochure page" or something to
say thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that "logs them
in" (really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can
continue on to their regular home page. Just an idea.

Cameron

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device
someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it
off.  The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel
and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless
device one could think of.  Some would go but the ones that had to work in
secure mode wouldn't allow the redirect.  Bogus.  Turned it off and the
calls went away.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on
the first page load.
We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what
we have on location already.
The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected
to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting "login" or
something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own
stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the "trial" function but
this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So
we couldn't add some form of "login" button to it.
I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the
way.
What is everyone else doing?

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Robert West]

Possibly a simple screen the desk people can use to see what MAC ID is
attempting to login and do a manual authorize?  

 

It's in my mind now  That's a relief.  Finally not thinking about where
baby oil comes from..

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:46 PM
To: n...@flhsi.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

The problem that I was seeing was that there are many wireless devices now
that don't have any "screen" to see a login button.  Game systems being the
first on my mind.  In hotels, some guests bring their kids game system to
keep them from running the halls..  How can you get these basically blind
systems to punch through a page like that?

 

I never had the time to get the workaround.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

That would work for some of them, In this case, The hotel management company
has a page that the hotel must redirect to. They get "fined" if it doesn't
redirect to the companies specific page.
I'm thinking maybe load it in a frame, or something. And have a login button
above it or something. Was hoping someone had a cleaner way.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

  <http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg> 

 

  _  

From: "Cameron Crum" 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:04 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not
just creat a page that "looks" like their page. It doesn't have to have all
the functionality of the real page, just a "brochure page" or something to
say thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that "logs them
in" (really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can
continue on to their regular home page. Just an idea.

Cameron

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device
someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it
off.  The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel
and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless
device one could think of.  Some would go but the ones that had to work in
secure mode wouldn't allow the redirect.  Bogus.  Turned it off and the
calls went away.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on
the first page load.
We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what
we have on location already.
The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected
to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting "login" or
something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own
stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the "trial" function but
this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So
we couldn't add some form of "login" button to it.
I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the
way.
What is everyone else doing?

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

[Robert West]

I hear ya, brother.  I hear ya.  These hotel higher ups need to get with the
"Now" on this wireless.  

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 3:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

Normally Hotspot works with a "I accept" button on a page, As thats what we
have done in the past. I don't mind getting a call when a user has a
tivo/gamesystem/* that can't login as they can read me the mac and I can
bypass it.
The point with this is it goes to a page we don't control, And can't really
change at all.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

  <http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg> 

 

  _  

From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:49 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

Possibly a simple screen the desk people can use to see what MAC ID is
attempting to login and do a manual authorize?  

 

It's in my mind now  That's a relief.  Finally not thinking about where
baby oil comes from..

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:46 PM
To: n...@flhsi.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

The problem that I was seeing was that there are many wireless devices now
that don't have any "screen" to see a login button.  Game systems being the
first on my mind.  In hotels, some guests bring their kids game system to
keep them from running the halls..  How can you get these basically blind
systems to punch through a page like that?

 

I never had the time to get the workaround.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

That would work for some of them, In this case, The hotel management company
has a page that the hotel must redirect to. They get "fined" if it doesn't
redirect to the companies specific page.
I'm thinking maybe load it in a frame, or something. And have a login button
above it or something. Was hoping someone had a cleaner way.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations 

(855) FLSPEED  x106

  <http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg> 

 

  _  

From: "Cameron Crum" 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:04 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not
just creat a page that "looks" like their page. It doesn't have to have all
the functionality of the real page, just a "brochure page" or something to
say thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that "logs them
in" (really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can
continue on to their regular home page. Just an idea.

Cameron

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device
someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it
off.  The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel
and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless
device one could think of.  Some would go but the ones that had to work in
secure mode wouldn't allow the redirect.  Bogus.  Turned it off and the
calls went away.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect

 

We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on
the first page load.
We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what
we have on location already.
The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected
to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting "login" or
something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own
stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the "trial" function but
this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So
we couldn't add some form of "login" button to it.
I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the
way.
What is everyone else doing?

Nick Olsen
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(855) FLSPEED  x106

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios

[Robert West]

But will they be Dual Band concurrently or will they run only either or?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:04 PM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios

 

The pro version will be.

 

Word from UBNT is end of Q1

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 5:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios

 

What makes you think they are dual band radios?

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

   

 

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From: "Jerry Richardson" 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 7:23 PM
To: "motor...@afmug.com" , "WISPA General List"

Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios

Any sign these are at least on the boat?

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Qualcomm agreed to acquire Atheros Communications for $3.1 billion in cash

[Robert West]

I'm sure that if they jack up the price, a Chinese manufacturer will be more
than happy to fill the void with chips that "somehow" operate the same as
the Atheros.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Qualcomm agreed to acquire Atheros Communications for
$3.1 billion in cash

Isn't every Ubnt radio sold powered by Atheros chips? I wonder if this could
mean a future issue for our supply of low cost radios?
Scriv


On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Brough Turner  wrote:
>
> Qualcomm agreed to acquire Atheros Communications for $3.1 billion in 
> cash, seeking to fill a hole in its chip-making operations.
>
> Atheros's shares closed Tuesday at $44, compared with the $45 offer price.
> The target's stock had surged Tuesday following news that Qualcomm was 
> close to making the deal.
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704405704576063453274665
> 320.html?mod=djemalertTECH
>
> another article (not behind a registration or pay wall):
>
> http://www.slashgear.com/qualcomm-buy-atheros-in-3-1bn-ubiquitous-conn
> ectivity-deal-05123321/
>
> Thanks,
> Brough
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Re: [WISPA] CWA Broadband Report

[Robert West]

Yep.  Communications Workers of America.  I have had no respect for them
ever since I worked in a prison, years ago right out of high school, and the
prevailing union for the prison guards was...  (Drum Roll..)  The CWA!  

 

I bet they contracted with non-union workers to do the study.  Anyone wanna
take that bet?

 

J

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 1:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CWA Broadband Report

 

Oh, I get it now, CWA, telco unions, that explains it all - duh!


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From: Wood, Ernie [mailto:ew...@connectednation.org] 
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 1:13 PM
To: r...@kywifi.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CWA Broadband Report

 

It is a Communication Workers of America initiative. 

Ernie 

Executive Director 
Strategic Program Office 
Connected Nation 
502-599-1093 
www.connectednation.org 

 

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From: Rick Gunderson  
To: Wood, Ernie 
Sent: Fri Jan 07 10:06:05 2011
Subject: RE: [WISPA] CWA Broadband Report 

Ernie,

 

Who's in charge of all this? The reports are flawed. I'm sitting on a fiber
connection with up to 40Mbps with about 3Mbps currently being utilized and
their best speed test only gives me 5Mbps!

 

Rick Gunderson

KyWiFi

859-274-4033

 

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:01 PM, RickG  wrote:

So, I'm sitting on a fiber connection with up to 40Mbps with about 3Mbps
currently being utilized and their speed test gives me a whole 5Mbps! Great
test! ;( 

 

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

Speed test servers are probably in states like Rhonda Island.  Speed to
Rhode Island to Rhode Island > Rhonda Island to California.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

We're 41!  We're 41!!!

 

Just got this from our pals at Connected Nation.  I'm so proud

 

 

http://cwa.3cdn.net/25239e0340bb2a2021_v9m6bzg1t.pdf

 

 

http://cwa.3cdn.net/299ed94e144d5adeb1_mlblqoxe9.pdf

 

 

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

 

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios

[Robert West]

SWEET!

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Jenkins
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 2:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios

 

I just had it confirmed that it is dual band concurrently.

On 01/06/2011 08:53 PM, Robert West wrote: 

But will they be Dual Band concurrently or will they run only either or?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:04 PM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios

 

The pro version will be.

 

Word from UBNT is end of Q1

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 5:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios

 

What makes you think they are dual band radios?

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

  <http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg> 

 

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Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity UniFi Dual Band Radios

Any sign these are at least on the boat?

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] CWA Broadband Report

[Robert West]

Actually, I used to tell people I spent some time in an Ohio prison.  Thing
was I did  it about 8 hours or so a day then I'd go home.

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 4:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CWA Broadband Report

 

I had to read that twice, I substituted "worked" for "was" in my brain.
Regards,

Chuck



On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

Yep.  Communications Workers of America.  I have had no respect for them
ever since I worked in a prison, years ago right out of high school, and the
prevailing union for the prison guards was...  (Drum Roll..)  The CWA!  

 

I bet they contracted with non-union workers to do the study.  Anyone wanna
take that bet?

 

J

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 1:43 PM
To: WISPA General List


Subject: Re: [WISPA] CWA Broadband Report

 

Oh, I get it now, CWA, telco unions, that explains it all - duh!


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From: Wood, Ernie [mailto:ew...@connectednation.org] 
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 1:13 PM
To: r...@kywifi.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CWA Broadband Report

 

It is a Communication Workers of America initiative. 

Ernie 

Executive Director 
Strategic Program Office 
Connected Nation 
502-599-1093 
www.connectednation.org 

 

  _  

From: Rick Gunderson  
To: Wood, Ernie 
Sent: Fri Jan 07 10:06:05 2011
Subject: RE: [WISPA] CWA Broadband Report 

Ernie,

 

Who's in charge of all this? The reports are flawed. I'm sitting on a fiber
connection with up to 40Mbps with about 3Mbps currently being utilized and
their best speed test only gives me 5Mbps!

 

Rick Gunderson

KyWiFi

859-274-4033

 

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:01 PM, RickG  wrote:

So, I'm sitting on a fiber connection with up to 40Mbps with about 3Mbps
currently being utilized and their speed test gives me a whole 5Mbps! Great
test! ;( 

 

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

Speed test servers are probably in states like Rhonda Island.  Speed to
Rhode Island to Rhode Island > Rhonda Island to California.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

We're 41!  We're 41!!!

 

Just got this from our pals at Connected Nation.  I'm so proud

 

 

http://cwa.3cdn.net/25239e0340bb2a2021_v9m6bzg1t.pdf

 

 

http://cwa.3cdn.net/299ed94e144d5adeb1_mlblqoxe9.pdf

 

 

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

 

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Re: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

[Robert West]

Liam might be able to reach that but it looks "Ify".  Eight miles from his
nearest tower but the topography looks to have a rise in the middle of the
path.  

 

Hit him up..

 

lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com

 

His number is 513-307-6466.  WISPA member as well.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:35 PM
To: Ohio WISP Discussion; WISPA General List; motorola
Subject: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

 

5610 McCoy Rd Oxford Oh 45056

Please contact me if you can service this address.


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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

[Robert West]

I know that ALL too well!  

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 7:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

 

The topography in SE Indiana/SW Ohio always has a hill in the middle!!

On 1/8/2011 5:45 PM, Robert West wrote: 

Liam might be able to reach that but it looks "Ify".  Eight miles from his
nearest tower but the topography looks to have a rise in the middle of the
path.  

 

Hit him up..

 

lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com

 

His number is 513-307-6466.  WISPA member as well.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:35 PM
To: Ohio WISP Discussion; WISPA General List; motorola
Subject: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

 

5610 McCoy Rd Oxford Oh 45056

Please contact me if you can service this address.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 
 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

[Robert West]

He's located in Butler county starting just north of Hamilton and hopefully
in the next week or two he'll have coverage all the way past Middletown.
He's a good dude.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

 

I was looking for the Google Map of the WISPA members.  Couldn't find it on
the website.  Is it linked on there?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

Liam might be able to reach that but it looks "Ify".  Eight miles from his
nearest tower but the topography looks to have a rise in the middle of the
path.  

 

Hit him up..

 

lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com

 

His number is 513-307-6466.  WISPA member as well.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:35 PM
To: Ohio WISP Discussion; WISPA General List; motorola
Subject: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

 

5610 McCoy Rd Oxford Oh 45056

Please contact me if you can service this address.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373






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Re: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

[Robert West]

Yep.  You're in the glacier area.  Flat as a pancake all the way to Lake
Erie.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 7:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

 

Not around here.  It's more flat in out area then I have seen any where else
in the country.  Where it does incline it is very shallow.

On Jan 8, 2011 7:38 PM, "Scott Reed"  wrote:
> The topography in SE Indiana/SW Ohio _always _has a hill in the middle!!
> 
> On 1/8/2011 5:45 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>
>> Liam might be able to reach that but it looks "Ify". Eight miles from 
>> his nearest tower but the topography looks to have a rise in the 
>> middle of the path.
>>
>> Hit him up
>>
>> lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com
<mailto:lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com>
>>
>> His number is 513-307-6466. WISPA member as well.
>>
>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:35 PM
>> *To:* Ohio WISP Discussion; WISPA General List; motorola
>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Need service in Oxford
>>
>> 5610 McCoy Rd Oxford Oh 45056
>>
>> Please contact me if you can service this address.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

[Robert West]

Yeah.  I'm just on the foothills of it all, the end of the glacier edge.
Had to hand dig a 6x6 by 4 foot deep hole for a 65 foot freestanding tower
this past summer and it was in glacial till, the crap the glacier had on the
leading edge when  it stopped and melted.  To say I was digging in dirt
would have been incorrect.  It was honestly like digging in a pile of rock
with a little bit of dirt thrown in.   I gave up halfway through and offered
a guy 40 bucks to finish it for me.  Of course he agreed before he saw the
hole.  A sucker born every minute!

 

About a third of our network is flat, a third rolling hills and the rest is
a pain in the a*s.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 9:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford

 

Once I go east  no more then an hour I see bigger hills.  Through Columbus
you start seeing a bunch.

In Wisconsin they boast it is flat.  I thought it was better in my neck of
town.

On Jan 8, 2011 9:00 PM, "Robert West"  wrote:
> Yep. You're in the glacier area. Flat as a pancake all the way to Lake
> Erie.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 7:41 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need service in Oxford
> 
> 
> 
> Not around here. It's more flat in out area then I have seen any where
else
> in the country. Where it does incline it is very shallow.
> 
> On Jan 8, 2011 7:38 PM, "Scott Reed"  wrote:
>> The topography in SE Indiana/SW Ohio _always _has a hill in the middle!!
>> 
>> On 1/8/2011 5:45 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>>
>>> Liam might be able to reach that but it looks "Ify". Eight miles from 
>>> his nearest tower but the topography looks to have a rise in the 
>>> middle of the path.
>>>
>>> Hit him up
>>>
>>> lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com
> <mailto:lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com>
>>>
>>> His number is 513-307-6466. WISPA member as well.
>>>
>>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>>> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:35 PM
>>> *To:* Ohio WISP Discussion; WISPA General List; motorola
>>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Need service in Oxford
>>>
>>> 5610 McCoy Rd Oxford Oh 45056
>>>
>>> Please contact me if you can service this address.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

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Re: [WISPA] Ping

[Robert West]

Nope.  Didn't get it.  Adjust your tri-speck angular SSL packet filter and
try it again.

 

 

 

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Behalf Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 10:53 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Ping

 

I'm getting bounces on my posts.  Test.



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[WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

[Robert West]

Has anyone done any BETA tests with the 900MHz version of the Rocket GPS?
Any real world results you can share?  Looking to replace some old Canopy
9000 units and so far this is looking okay.

 

Has anyone tried the external SMA on the Locos?  Is this a single SMA or are
there 2?  Data sheet just lists "Connector".  If one, would it make sense to
pair a yagi to it if need be?

 

So many questions and so many reasons not to go out in the snow..

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

 

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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

[Robert West]

Yeah, Ben told me today March or April.  Just didn't know if anyone was
doing any testing before then.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 12:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

 

It will in a couple months.

On Jan 11, 2011 10:35 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
> That product does not exist
> 
> 
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> 
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 
> 787.273.4143
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:06 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone done any BETA tests with the 900MHz version of the Rocket
> GPS? Any real world results you can share? Looking to replace some old
> Canopy 9000 units and so far this is looking okay.
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone tried the external SMA on the Locos? Is this a single SMA or
> are there 2? Data sheet just lists "Connector". If one, would it make
> sense to pair a yagi to it if need be?
> 
> 
> 
> So many questions and so many reasons not to go out in the
> snow..
> 
> 
> 
> Robert West
> 
> Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
> 
> 740-335-7020
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

[Robert West]

What about the 900 Locos?  One or 2 SMA connectors?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 12:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

 

It will in a couple months.

On Jan 11, 2011 10:35 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
> That product does not exist
> 
> 
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> 
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 
> 787.273.4143
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:06 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone done any BETA tests with the 900MHz version of the Rocket
> GPS? Any real world results you can share? Looking to replace some old
> Canopy 9000 units and so far this is looking okay.
> 
> 
> 
> Has anyone tried the external SMA on the Locos? Is this a single SMA or
> are there 2? Data sheet just lists "Connector". If one, would it make
> sense to pair a yagi to it if need be?
> 
> 
> 
> So many questions and so many reasons not to go out in the
> snow..
> 
> 
> 
> Robert West
> 
> Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
> 
> 740-335-7020
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

[Robert West]

Speechless



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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

One
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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

[Robert West]

The 900L lists "External SMA Connector" but being a MIMO, I guessed it would
have 2.  If just one, does the firmware allow you to choose 1 chain for the
external for tx or rx?  Or both...?  Just one?  Sounds like an exploratory
mission.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:14 PM
To: j284...@yahoo.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

 

Locos have connectors?

On Jan 11, 2011 1:44 PM,  wrote:
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> Sent from my BlackBerryR
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Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

[Robert West]

So one can’t easily convert into a Rocket.  J

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jason Bailey
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

 


you can select internal,external, or internal and external for mimo.

--- On Tue, 1/11/11, Robert West  wrote:


From: Robert West 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2011, 4:17 PM

The 900L lists “External SMA Connector” but being a MIMO, I guessed it would 
have 2.  If just one, does the firmware allow you to choose 1 chain for the 
external for tx or rx?  Or both…….?  Just one?  Sounds like an exploratory 
mission.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:14 PM
To: j284...@yahoo.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M 900 GPS?

 

Locos have connectors?

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Re: [WISPA] CWA Broadband Report

[Robert West]

So I'd be cool with my 128k ISDN line from back in 1999?

 

I'm still Da Dude!

 

YES

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CWA Broadband Report

 

Page 5 on the big PDF is great.  Everything they mention in the first speed
tier can be done with under 100 kbit/s.



 
-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 1/6/2011 2:04 PM, Robert West wrote: 

We're 41!  We're 41!!!

 

Just got this from our pals at Connected Nation.  I'm so proud

 

 

http://cwa.3cdn.net/25239e0340bb2a2021_v9m6bzg1t.pdf

 

 

http://cwa.3cdn.net/299ed94e144d5adeb1_mlblqoxe9.pdf

 

 

 

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Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

 

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Re: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation........

[Robert West]

You remember the teacher in the Charlie Brown (Sponsored by Dolly Madison
Cakes) Specials?

 

It was kinda like that.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:48 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation

 

So do tell, what did they have to say?

 



Thank You,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

(208) 692-1898 Fax
Skype: Radiowebst

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6cvnhPh6jo

 

 

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

Cell 937-903-1286

 



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Re: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation........

[Robert West]

Always expect the best

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David Hannum
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation

 

How professional!

 

David Hannum

New Era Broadband, LLC



 

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6cvnhPh6jo

 

 

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

Cell 937-903-1286

 

 
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Re: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation........

[Robert West]

I loved this little presentation...

 

"We offer a program that will educate and encourage people to use broadband
internet!"

 

So I say, Uh  "They kinda need broadband internet available to them
first, don't they?"

 

Anyhow, it was a meeting that really had no place for them yet they came in
with all guns blazing.  After we got them all to shut the heck up we got
some real work done.  

 

Without them.

 

*Sigh*

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:53 PM
To: 'Robert West'; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation

 

Whaaa whhhaat want wannnt waannnt waa

 



J

 

From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:51 PM
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation

 

You remember the teacher in the Charlie Brown (Sponsored by Dolly Madison
Cakes) Specials?

 

It was kinda like that.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:48 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation

 

So do tell, what did they have to say?

 



Thank You,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

(208) 692-1898 Fax
Skype: Radiowebst

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Meeting today with Connected Nation

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6cvnhPh6jo

 

 

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

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[WISPA] Connected Nation Rules

[Robert West]

When WISPA decides to bow down to the wishes of Connected Nation, a
well-known and well documented anti WISP organization and smack me down with
parroted words that were told me also by the LATEST Connected Nation CEO
boy

 

We're done.  Please remove me from  the WISPA list and be happy.

 

The world is cruel,  this be true.  But Connected Nation  Et tu, Brute?

 

Yes.  You.

 

I will not be controlled.  I will not bow to the master Telco/Cable BS.

 

I will, however, provide broadband internet to whoever and wherever I damn
well please.  

 

Big Shot CEO of Connected Nation tonight on the cell phone as I was
replacing a power supply 90 feet up in the blinding snow...  "Our people
feel threatened by your video."

 

So sad for them.  They are threatened  I bet they are.  I really bet
they are.

 

Waiting for the FCC to show up..  HA!

 

 

 

Robert West

Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

740-335-7020

Cell 937-903-1286

 

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[WISPA] Looking For Fiber

[Robert West]

Anyone have or know about any fiber in Jeffersonville, Ohio?  We can reach
Time Warner but we already use them in the network and would like to use
this to add another gateway.  

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[WISPA] Airports a Problem?

[Robert West]

Looking at a possible path but we would run right down the runway of an
airport.  Not small planes, the big ones!  Towers are 300' on both
ends..  I don't see any issues here but have no idea what to expect
from the RF over that thing.  They are fully automated with all the latest
in radio controlled landing systems.  

Anyone ever have issues with this?  It's a perfect path for us so it would
be my luck this thing might cause me issues.

Would 5ghz be out of the question?

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Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

[Robert West]

This path I'm considering is 33 miles in length and the airport is 11 miles
from the closest tower.  Both towers are existing structures so their
placement is okay but I was concerned when I saw that the path runs right
down runway 22R.  Sigh.   so every plane approaching that runway will be
smack in the signal at almost 300 feet 11 miles out from the tower.  Now,
this airport isn't as busy as it used to be, it was the DHL hub here in
Ohio, but they are trying to get it back in operation again either as a
package sort hub or maintenance center.  Either way, lots of big planes over
there.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bret Clark
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

I somewhat disagree, in terms of the signal, no you don't need approval,
but to put a wireless network up  with antenna's  near any airport the
height of the antenna is governed by the FAA, you need their approval
from them in terms of  an antenna perspective. Antenna heights are
governed by distance from runways; give them the exact distances from
runways, then they tell you the height allowed at that location. 


On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 12:31 +, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

> If your equipment is on airport property proper you need approval to place
there.
> 
> You do not need approval to shoot accross the airport.
> 
> Now depending on your proximity to air traffic you may experience packet
loss but unless your path was where aircraft may park or taxi I would not
expect loss of link.
> 
> As for interference from radar, that's a crap shoot and depends what band
you are on and what is colocated at the airport.
> 
> Bob
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bret Clark 
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 06:55:46 
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?
> 
> 
> We shoot across an airport (the big ones as well) with a bunch of 5.8 
> stuff, but I believe we needed to get clearance from the airport and 
> maybe the FAA before installing. Otherwise we've had zero problems with 
> interference from their systems. I would start by calling or gong to see 
> the person who runs the airport first and explain what you would like to 
> do. I don't recall it being a big deal to get permission from the Airport.
> 
> 
> Robert West wrote:
> > Looking at a possible path but we would run right down the runway of an
> > airport.  Not small planes, the big ones!  Towers are 300' on both
> > ends..  I don't see any issues here but have no idea what to
expect
> > from the RF over that thing.  They are fully automated with all the
latest
> > in radio controlled landing systems.  
> >
> > Anyone ever have issues with this?  It's a perfect path for us so it
would
> > be my luck this thing might cause me issues.
> >
> > Would 5ghz be out of the question?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Robert West
> > Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

[Robert West]

As far as I can tell, the FZ is more than good there.  My biggest concerns
were having a big obstruction moving through it and the RF being put out by
both the aircraft and the airport.  Before DHL pulled out they were landing
a plane every 30 seconds starting around 10 pm and then they would take off
every 30 seconds soon after.  Went on all night until 6 or 7 am.  

I know that all the systems aren't "supposed" to interfere with each other
but that sometimes isn't the case.  I have no fear of messing up their
systems, they are certainly shielded to the good from outside issues but I
don't have that luxury.  But it sounds like no one has had any issues so we
may at least test it out and see how it goes.  This is the best path I've
ever worked out, slam dunk as they say but there had to be a wild card in
it.  :)

Thanks!

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:35 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

Unless the base of the runway is in the Fresnel zone... an airplane flying
through it is only going to cause a minor interruption... maybe a few
seconds?  I would bet it is going to be okay

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Robert West
>Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:23 AM
>To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?
>
>This path I'm considering is 33 miles in length and the airport is 11
>miles
>from the closest tower.  Both towers are existing structures so their
>placement is okay but I was concerned when I saw that the path runs
>right
>down runway 22R.  Sigh.   so every plane approaching that runway
>will be
>smack in the signal at almost 300 feet 11 miles out from the tower.
>Now,
>this airport isn't as busy as it used to be, it was the DHL hub here in
>Ohio, but they are trying to get it back in operation again either as a
>package sort hub or maintenance center.  Either way, lots of big planes
>over
>there.
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Bret Clark
>Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:54 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?
>
>I somewhat disagree, in terms of the signal, no you don't need approval,
>but to put a wireless network up  with antenna's  near any airport the
>height of the antenna is governed by the FAA, you need their approval
>from them in terms of  an antenna perspective. Antenna heights are
>governed by distance from runways; give them the exact distances from
>runways, then they tell you the height allowed at that location.
>
>
>On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 12:31 +, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:
>
>> If your equipment is on airport property proper you need approval to
>place
>there.
>>
>> You do not need approval to shoot accross the airport.
>>
>> Now depending on your proximity to air traffic you may experience
>packet
>loss but unless your path was where aircraft may park or taxi I would
>not
>expect loss of link.
>>
>> As for interference from radar, that's a crap shoot and depends what
>band
>you are on and what is colocated at the airport.
>>
>> Bob
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bret Clark 
>>
>> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 06:55:46
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?
>>
>>
>> We shoot across an airport (the big ones as well) with a bunch of 5.8
>> stuff, but I believe we needed to get clearance from the airport and
>> maybe the FAA before installing. Otherwise we've had zero problems
>with
>> interference from their systems. I would start by calling or gong to
>see
>> the person who runs the airport first and explain what you would like
>to
>> do. I don't recall it being a big deal to get permission from the
>Airport.
>>
>>
>> Robert West wrote:
>> > Looking at a possible path but we would run right down the runway of
>an
>> > airport.  Not small planes, the big ones!  Towers are 300' on both
>> > ends..  I don't see any issues here but have no idea what to
>expect
>> > from the RF over that thing.  They are fully automated with all the
>latest
>> > in radio controlled landing systems.
>> >
>> > Anyone ever have issues with this?  It&#

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

[Robert West]

That makes me feel a bit more confident then.  Do they pass through it on
approach or cross the runway?  The forward facing radar of the plane looking
right at me for a few seconds didn't sound good.





-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

Won't be a problem. Planes will not cause you an issue unless they fly into
the tower.

I have a link accross a runway at 5Ghz and jets pass through the path all
day long without a glitch.  And the path is only about 2 miles long.

Bob  
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-----
From: "Robert West" 

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:22:40 
To: ; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?


This path I'm considering is 33 miles in length and the airport is 11 miles
from the closest tower.  Both towers are existing structures so their
placement is okay but I was concerned when I saw that the path runs right
down runway 22R.  Sigh.   so every plane approaching that runway will be
smack in the signal at almost 300 feet 11 miles out from the tower.  Now,
this airport isn't as busy as it used to be, it was the DHL hub here in
Ohio, but they are trying to get it back in operation again either as a
package sort hub or maintenance center.  Either way, lots of big planes over
there.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bret Clark
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

I somewhat disagree, in terms of the signal, no you don't need approval,
but to put a wireless network up  with antenna's  near any airport the
height of the antenna is governed by the FAA, you need their approval
from them in terms of  an antenna perspective. Antenna heights are
governed by distance from runways; give them the exact distances from
runways, then they tell you the height allowed at that location. 


On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 12:31 +, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

> If your equipment is on airport property proper you need approval to place
there.
> 
> You do not need approval to shoot accross the airport.
> 
> Now depending on your proximity to air traffic you may experience packet
loss but unless your path was where aircraft may park or taxi I would not
expect loss of link.
> 
> As for interference from radar, that's a crap shoot and depends what band
you are on and what is colocated at the airport.
> 
> Bob
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bret Clark 
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 06:55:46 
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?
> 
> 
> We shoot across an airport (the big ones as well) with a bunch of 5.8 
> stuff, but I believe we needed to get clearance from the airport and 
> maybe the FAA before installing. Otherwise we've had zero problems with 
> interference from their systems. I would start by calling or gong to see 
> the person who runs the airport first and explain what you would like to 
> do. I don't recall it being a big deal to get permission from the Airport.
> 
> 
> Robert West wrote:
> > Looking at a possible path but we would run right down the runway of an
> > airport.  Not small planes, the big ones!  Towers are 300' on both
> > ends..  I don't see any issues here but have no idea what to
expect
> > from the RF over that thing.  They are fully automated with all the
latest
> > in radio controlled landing systems.  
> >
> > Anyone ever have issues with this?  It's a perfect path for us so it
would
> > be my luck this thing might cause me issues.
> >
> > Would 5ghz be out of the question?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Robert West
> > Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

[Robert West]

So far it all sounds good.  Thanks!  This one might be the winner.



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

I have a 5.8 link over an airport and a 900ap next door to the airport.  No
problems.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Mike  wrote:

> Agreed.  Planes flying through the Fresnel zone will have more of an
> impact on B type modulation than on say G.  You might see selective
> fading because of multipath, but OFDM or some other robust modulation
> technique will recover from an aircraft on approach at 250 mph flying
> through the Fresnel zone.  Just make sure your links have sufficient
> fade margin.
>
> At 08:35 AM 9/30/2009, you wrote:
> >Unless the base of the runway is in the Fresnel zone... an airplane
flying
> >through it is only going to cause a minor interruption... maybe a few
> >seconds?  I would bet it is going to be okay
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Judge orders Google to close account

[Robert West]

I'm just shaking my head in wonder.  Why, oh why, would anyone in the
position to have access to such information think it would be "okay" to send
this type of thing to an outside Gmail account?  I can see an internal
address but Gmail???  

100% Bonehead.





-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David Hulsebus
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:15 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Judge orders Google to close account

FYI.   

 From SANS NewsBites September 29, 2009 Vol. 11, Num. 77

 --Judge Orders Google to Deactivate Account
(September 24 & 28, 2009)
A US District Court Judge in California has ordered Google to deactivate
the Gmail account of a user who was accidentally sent confidential bank
information.  An employee of Wyoming-based Rocky Mountain Bank sent the
data to the account in error; the data include names, Social Security
Numbers (SSNs) and loan information of more than 1,300 bank customers.
Upon recognizing the mistake, the bank sent another email to the same
address, requesting that the recipient destroy the previous email and
contact Rocky Mountain Bank.  After receiving no reply, the bank asked
Google for information about the account holder.  Google said that it
would not surrender any information without a court order.  The judge's
order is controversial because it appears to violate the account
holder's First Amendment rights.  Additionally, deactivating an
individual's Gmail account could have far-reaching effects.
http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=11426
4
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/28/google_rocky_mountain_bank_suit_roll
ls_on/


Dave Hulsebus
Portative Technologies, LLC




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Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

[Robert West]

Okay, money making opportunity here.  Come up with a way of doing a "text
test" like a breathalyzer.  They hide the phone, you scan with a device,
find the phone, check for recent texting.  Punch in some secret cop code,
phone talks to the provider, displays recent text activity...  blah, blah,
blah  hire some consultants, some R&D, go broke.  Another guy steals
your patents and plan, makes millions.  You become a pitiful shadow of
yourself over it and die young.

It just might work





-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

You also have the ability to be drunk, while texting. With just a hair of 
driving.

Nick Olsen

Brevard Wireless

(321) 205-1100 x106


From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:26 AM
To: "li...@stlbroadband.com" , "WISPA General List" 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages 

So if you're 22 you can text and drive?  What makes those older then 20
capable of driving while texting?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:26 AM, St. Louis Broadband <
li...@stlbroadband.com> wrote:

> LOL, I don't know about tower climbers, but in MO if you are under 21 
you
> cannot text and drive ;-)
>
> Which I think is a great law!
>
> V
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Fankhauser [mailto:k...@wavelinc.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:13 PM
> To: li...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
>
>
> "And tower climbing is a cool job but, by State law, cannot text."
>
>
>
>
> What state law does not allow tower climbers to send text messages?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 10:03 AM
> To: 'Robert West'; 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
>
> Her head start that we figured was going to let her take the lead of the
> pack, came to a slamming halt.
> I am not sure really what it was, but that is when I noticed the txt msg
> addiction.
> And I truly believe it is an addiction, she sleeps with the damn phone 
next
> to her...
>
> Teenage girls are amazing.
> It really ticks me that she is actually more computer literate than I in
> some applications.
> When I am trying to figure it out, she looks at me like omg...mom is so
> slow.
> She can key over 100wpm and is accurate.
>
> V
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:44 AM
> To: li...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
>
> Oh hell, sounds like my daughter.  Sailed right through school, top of 
the
> class.  Top 3% in the SATs and now, starting 3rd year in college, she
> finally discovered boys.  The talk with her has moved from school to 
having
> "boyfriend" injected in every conversation.  And I still have no met 
him.
> Scary.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:27 AM
> To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
>
> LOL, u assume wrong.  She started junior college when she was 16 and 
made
> the deans list her first semester J
>
> But now she is 18 and has discovered or been discovered by boys.
>
>
>
> V
>
>
>
> From: Nick Olsen [mailto:n...@brevardwireless.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:20 PM
> To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
>
>
>
> Talk about Getting your moneys worth in the "unlimited" text package.
> Without a package its 25 a message, Which would have made your bill your
> standard monthly charge plus $7,625. ".25x30500"
>
> I think the bigger question is. How much time is your daughter wasting
> texting while in school?
> /me ass

[WISPA] Thoughts on AirMAX Conference - Chicago

[Robert West]

No one is posting anything about the UBNT conference

For those who didn't attend, Founder and President of UBNT, Robert Pera gave
a talk and asked what the biggest issue we as users had with the company.
>From all corners, a loud "SUPPLY!".  We could tell from his demeanor he got
the message and he even said as much.  Hopefully availability will be better
sometime in the near future.  Also, the question "Where's my free shirt?"
was also heard.  The answer?  Email me your address...  Yeah, okay.
That one I'm not waiting for.

A bunch of us were gawking in wonder at the little silicone boots on the
Rocket RSMA connectors and saying to each other "They seriously don't expect
that to keep the water out, do they?"  In a previous thread about the pretty
pictures of wireless gear and nice shiny N connectors and how it's not real
life...  In a Q and A session, someone asked that very question, what
those little boots were for, certainly not to weatherproof the
thing..  the answer, and this is the REAL answer that was said.
It was done for marketing purposes.  Marketing to who?  The large group of
people basically pointing and shaking their heads at these stupid little
silicone boots and talking about taking them off in  order to put tape on
the connectors?  Okay, we must be the ones.


Also lots of not so subtle hints about some new features and products coming
down the pipe.  Me, I'd rather they perfect the supply chain on the existing
offerings before they introduce more things that I want but can't find in
stock.

In all it was a great seminar as much as a seminar can be, I suppose, and
the parking fee of 24 bucks was fun too.



Robert West








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Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on AirMAX Conference - Chicago

[Robert West]

Hey, we're talking about Ubiquiti here.  The passing out of the free Rockets
was at the end and it was Mike in the corner of the room with a laptop
looking up the name of each person who registered to be there and making
sure the person asking for the Rocket matched.  Of course, no organization
with it, the entire room was pushing into the corner with no line, just a
mass of rocket-grabbing geekness.  I left the pile twice and finally left
for good and sent an email to Mike from my laptop while sitting in the
parking lot to just mail us the things.  I also suggested they tweak the
distribution process of the free goods for the next conferences.

Another suggestion that I made to them, and I suggested all of it in a
friendly manner, (not like your 80 year old neighbor boy who keeps yelling
at you from over the fence to stop doing this or that because of
whatever) Was to possibly have a registration book or something
outside the room and possibly a nametag or something to tell the rest of the
room who the heck you are.  We all came from all over and unless someone
wore a logo from their company or could overhear a name or company while
someone was talking there was no way of hooking up with people that we only
know online.

Basic stuff, I thought.  But that's just me.  

Bob-



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:12 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on AirMAX Conference - Chicago

Thanks for the post Robert. It is good to hear about what went on. Did
you get a free rocket? Did they run out?
-RickG

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Robert West 
wrote:
> No one is posting anything about the UBNT conference
>
> For those who didn't attend, Founder and President of UBNT, Robert Pera
gave
> a talk and asked what the biggest issue we as users had with the company.
> >From all corners, a loud "SUPPLY!".  We could tell from his demeanor he
got
> the message and he even said as much.  Hopefully availability will be
better
> sometime in the near future.  Also, the question "Where's my free shirt?"
> was also heard.  The answer?  Email me your address...  Yeah, okay.
> That one I'm not waiting for.
>
> A bunch of us were gawking in wonder at the little silicone boots on the
> Rocket RSMA connectors and saying to each other "They seriously don't
expect
> that to keep the water out, do they?"  In a previous thread about the
pretty
> pictures of wireless gear and nice shiny N connectors and how it's not
real
> life...  In a Q and A session, someone asked that very question, what
> those little boots were for, certainly not to weatherproof the
> thing..  the answer, and this is the REAL answer that was
said.
> It was done for marketing purposes.  Marketing to who?  The large group of
> people basically pointing and shaking their heads at these stupid little
> silicone boots and talking about taking them off in  order to put tape on
> the connectors?  Okay, we must be the ones.
>
>
> Also lots of not so subtle hints about some new features and products
coming
> down the pipe.  Me, I'd rather they perfect the supply chain on the
existing
> offerings before they introduce more things that I want but can't find in
> stock.
>
> In all it was a great seminar as much as a seminar can be, I suppose, and
> the parking fee of 24 bucks was fun too.
>
>
>
> Robert West
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on AirMAX Conference - Chicago

[Robert West]

Oh, forgot to add to the comment about the UBNT supply issue.  Robert Pera
said, after being forced to see the supply issue, that he had decided to
cancel his plans to attend the other conferences and was going to spend that
Time in Asia to push for the UBNT product manufacturers to increase his
orders and to deliver to the distributors ASAP.  The man seemed very, very
honest and humbled after every single attendee voiced their total and
unwavering praise for the quality of his products and their absolute
disappointment in availability.  I would love to be in the position to have
not one customer complain about the quality of my product but I would
certainly lose lots of sleep knowing that potential customers are turned
away because I couldn't deliver. 

Can't wait for that 3FT Rocket Dish!  

Bob- 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:12 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on AirMAX Conference - Chicago

Thanks for the post Robert. It is good to hear about what went on. Did
you get a free rocket? Did they run out?
-RickG

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Robert West 
wrote:
> No one is posting anything about the UBNT conference
>
> For those who didn't attend, Founder and President of UBNT, Robert Pera
gave
> a talk and asked what the biggest issue we as users had with the company.
> >From all corners, a loud "SUPPLY!".  We could tell from his demeanor he
got
> the message and he even said as much.  Hopefully availability will be
better
> sometime in the near future.  Also, the question "Where's my free shirt?"
> was also heard.  The answer?  Email me your address...  Yeah, okay.
> That one I'm not waiting for.
>
> A bunch of us were gawking in wonder at the little silicone boots on the
> Rocket RSMA connectors and saying to each other "They seriously don't
expect
> that to keep the water out, do they?"  In a previous thread about the
pretty
> pictures of wireless gear and nice shiny N connectors and how it's not
real
> life...  In a Q and A session, someone asked that very question, what
> those little boots were for, certainly not to weatherproof the
> thing..  the answer, and this is the REAL answer that was
said.
> It was done for marketing purposes.  Marketing to who?  The large group of
> people basically pointing and shaking their heads at these stupid little
> silicone boots and talking about taking them off in  order to put tape on
> the connectors?  Okay, we must be the ones.
>
>
> Also lots of not so subtle hints about some new features and products
coming
> down the pipe.  Me, I'd rather they perfect the supply chain on the
existing
> offerings before they introduce more things that I want but can't find in
> stock.
>
> In all it was a great seminar as much as a seminar can be, I suppose, and
> the parking fee of 24 bucks was fun too.
>
>
>
> Robert West
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

[Robert West]

You got that right, Marlon!  Example.  Point to point  I recently
had a backhaul I was having problems with and looked at my other links and
we had a dish almost 8 miles away pointing towards this location with the
noise issues.  Cranked down the power at the offending site and it cleaned
it all up.  I caused my own unwanted noise miles way.  Making a point to
point at full power when only half will do it nicely just pollutes the
available spectrum.  I knew that when I put it in but neglected to follow my
own thinking until it slapped me in the face.  Link margin is good but you
have to think of the other guy down the line, it might even be you.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:05 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)

"There is no substitute for link margin, you can never really have enough."

Sigh.  THIS attitude is why there is so much noise in many areas!

Use the power you need, not what's available.  No one drives with thier foot

well and truly glued to the floor all of the time!  If you did, you'll 
crash, sooner or later.

Too much power is often as big, sometimes more of one, than outside 
interference.  You'll create your own interference this way.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Lawrence E. Bakst" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)


>I think you guys know most of this already, but here is my take FWIW.
>
> I'm not a WISP, but I spent 5 years leading the design and development of 
> an 802.11[agb] security system. We did our own polling solution based on 
> 802.11e HCCA to solve the RTS/hidden node problem.
>
> All things being equal (which they often aren't) 802.11b will give you a 
> higher S/N and C/I than 802.11g, because in almost all cases and 
> especially at higher speeds. 802.11g has to lower the PA power because of 
> the PAPR of OFDM and meeting the 802.11g EVM spec.
>
> It is true that 2.4 GHz can be very polluted. We found the noise floor to 
> be really awful. You would be surprised by the number of "entities" that 
> know they are way over the FCC max power in 2.4 GHz, but I digress. We 
> once measured over 300 PHY errors a second on an "unused" 2.4 GHz channel.

> The number went down to 150 PHY errors a second inside an FCC chamber, if 
> you can believe that.
>
> Having said all that we didn't use 802.11b at all because it's data rates 
> are too low for video.
>
> Also while we supported 2.4 GHz, we mostly deployed at 5.8 GHz ISM because

> of the increased power available there and the pollution was much less, 
> but that maybe different now.
>
> For 802.11[ag] mutlipoint, the sweet spot speed wise is 18-36 Mbps. It's 
> very hard to keep a multipoint system at 48 or 54 Mbps because you need a 
> great deal of link margin and with all cards you loose power as the speed 
> increases to maintain PAPR/EVM. For point to point with direction antenna 
> relief you can often maintain 48 or 54.
>
> Antennae make a big difference, as others have noted horizontal 
> polarization is usually best and make the beam as narrow as you can afford

> because it raises the effective gain. However, if you are in an area where

> everyone else is horizontal it can make sense to try vertical. With some 
> of the antennae we used that was as simple as rotating the antenna 90 deg 
> at both ends.
>
> Watch out for crappy antennae, cheap cable, bad connectors, and so on. 
> That can often cost you a few dB. In the product I designed I spent more 
> time then I care to admit trying to make a very tough loss budget that I 
> set out as a goal.
>
> There is no substitute for link margin, you can never really have enough.
>
> I can confirm that our sweeps with a spectrum analyzer show lots of 
> opportunity to use 5 and 10 MHz channels, as others have also noted. For 
> WISPs it would be "nice" if chip vendors designed the radios so that you 
> could set the channel bandwidth from 5-40 MHz in 1 MHz increments. It can 
> be done but probably won't be, although maybe the Microsoft WhiteFI stuff 
> force the chip vendors to do it. In WiMax and LTE they are already doing 
> some things close to this. Still 5, 10, and 20 isn't bad and probably hits

> the sweet spot or 80/20 rule.
>
> One of the down sides of fitting a 5 or 10 MHz channel in a sweet spot is 
> that it can change at any time.
>
> Best,
>
> leb
>
> At 9:58 AM -0500 10/1/09, Jason Hensley wrote:
>>In 2.4 land, if you have a lot of noise, which protocol is better - B or 
>>G?
>>Is it better to run an AP as locked into one mode or is it OK to do a mix?
>>
>>Max I want off of 2.4 customers is 3meg so not that worried about the 
>>extra
>>speed that G will provide, but, I would like to know which is more stable?
>>I've always thought that B was more stable overall but just provided less
>>b

Re: [WISPA] Selling to businesses

[Robert West]

Radio has returned absolutely zero to us so I stopped feeding that one.
Mail, we never tried.  For the regular service, we actually put flyers on
windshields at the local "wal-marts", yeah I know, I hate those things on my
windshield but it works.  We hit them up on Sundays, 11:30am and then around
1-1:30 and 3:30 or so. Busy times there, flyers really simple, few words and
a price. 

However, for businesses, the best thing that works for us is being a member
of the local chamber of commerce, going to the monthly get together to
network and putting a flyer in the chamber newsletter.  Networking in more
ways than one.  We got in good with 2 insurance salesmen.
They're big talkers, they practically forced some people to sign up with us.
Very pushy people, those insurance guys

Bob-


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Behalf Of Bret Clark
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Selling to businesses

Direct mail works, but generally 3 mailings usually need to occur before
the person you are sending too starts to notice it. We find the old 4x6
postcard works well, not expensive and many people see it since it's not
in an envelope. Put an eye catching graphic on one side and then and
some bullet points on the other side. 

We tried radio, but didn't have much luck...most people seem to drive to
work listening to ipods or XM. Newspaper ads didn't really work well
either...who reads newspapers anymore, although we did find some mild
success with online ads through our local newspapers.  


On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 13:04 -0400, Jerry Richardson wrote:

> Other than cold calling (this has been the most successful for us) and
referrals, what other methods are you using to sell to businesses?
> 
> If you are using a direct mail piece that has had some success, I'd be
interested in what it looks like. We have not had much success there.
> 
> We are adding voice which should make a huge difference.
> 
> Just looking to stimulate sales :-)
> 
> 
> [cid:image001.jpg@01CA45A3.36814DF0]
> Broadband for Business
> Public and Private WiFi
> http://www.aircloud.com
> 
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> VP Operations
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Re: [WISPA] MT channels

[Robert West]

Make sure you have the latest RouterOS installed.  

Bob-


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] MT channels

OK, maybe just to prove to myself old dogs can learn new tricks, I 
have become an MT student.  I bought some equipment and have been 
teaching myself.

Is it possible to set R52N cards to fractional channels?  I can pick 
a band on the XR2 which includes 1/4 and 1/2, but not the R52N.

Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] Which connector is which on R52N

[Robert West]

You should never power up any of the cards without a load even for a few
seconds.  I bet all of us have done that by mistake more times than one but
all of the higher power cards can burn out quickly under the right
conditions.



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Behalf Of Jayson Baker
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which connector is which on R52N

FYI, we powered up a card without an antenna on both ports and damaged the
card.
It's TX power is extremely low now.

Just a warning.  I don't remember if it was in N-mode, or B/G mode.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Data Technology  wrote:

> Yeah, I forgot to mention the board and OS.
> It's an RB433AH with 4.0rc1.
> If you are looking down at the card with the connectors at the top and
> the gold pins at the bottom, J2 is on the upper left and J3 is on the
> upper right.
> I was planning on just connecting to J2 and if that did not work then
> connect to J3.
>
>
> David E. Smith wrote:
> > Data Technology wrote:
> >
> >> Also, I am looking to use this card with just 1 antenna.
> >> Not looking to use 'N', just using because cm9's were not available
when
> >> I bought the card.
> >> I assume this will work ok as long as both TX and RX chains are set to
> >> the same setting.
> >>
> >
> > Assuming you're using Mikrotik RouterOS, just set the band to B or B/G
> > and you won't even have to worry about the chains - all the N-specific
> > options will just disappear.
> >
> > (I don't have an N card handy, so I'm not sure which antenna lead is
> > identified as which, but you've got a 50-50 shot. :)
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Which connector is which on R52N

[Robert West]

I use rubber ducks but I tend to get pretty aggravated with those things
flopping around on the pigtails.  If I had a choice now I'd go for the dummy
loads and ditch the rubber ducks.  The loads look like less of a hassle, I
have enough wires getting tangled into things.  


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Data Technology
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:07 AM
To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which connector is which on R52N

I guessed right on the J2 connector.
One thing I did was set the card power to manual and lower it to 17db
I guess for testing & programming I could have went down to 5 db or so.
I also had an antenna connected to it.

I have always powered up cards with out antennas on them but I use 
mostly cm9's.
I think it would be a good idea to find some dummy loads or get some 
small "rubber duck" antennas to use when powering up.

LaRoy


e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
> R52N the one marked J2 is chain 0 and the one marked J3 is chain 1. If the
mpci connector towards you J2 is the one on the left. 
>
> /Eje
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Robert West" 
> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 02:25:24 
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which connector is which on R52N
>
> You should never power up any of the cards without a load even for a few
> seconds.  I bet all of us have done that by mistake more times than one
but
> all of the higher power cards can burn out quickly under the right
> conditions.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jayson Baker
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:48 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Which connector is which on R52N
>
> FYI, we powered up a card without an antenna on both ports and damaged the
> card.
> It's TX power is extremely low now.
>
> Just a warning.  I don't remember if it was in N-mode, or B/G mode.
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Data Technology  wrote:
>
>   
>> Yeah, I forgot to mention the board and OS.
>> It's an RB433AH with 4.0rc1.
>> If you are looking down at the card with the connectors at the top and
>> the gold pins at the bottom, J2 is on the upper left and J3 is on the
>> upper right.
>> I was planning on just connecting to J2 and if that did not work then
>> connect to J3.
>>
>>
>> David E. Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Data Technology wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>> Also, I am looking to use this card with just 1 antenna.
>>>> Not looking to use 'N', just using because cm9's were not available
>>>> 
> when
>   
>>>> I bought the card.
>>>> I assume this will work ok as long as both TX and RX chains are set to
>>>> the same setting.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>> Assuming you're using Mikrotik RouterOS, just set the band to B or B/G
>>> and you won't even have to worry about the chains - all the N-specific
>>> options will just disappear.
>>>
>>> (I don't have an N card handy, so I'm not sure which antenna lead is
>>> identified as which, but you've got a 50-50 shot. :)
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

[Robert West]

I think the major barrier to wisp growth is lack of quality, NLOS spectrum.


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Behalf Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

Patrick,

Not being one for gov money

We have excellent credit.  We have that because we only expand at a
rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs.  So the
cycle goes:

1.  Build out X number of Towers.
2.  Market X number of Areas.
3.  Install Customers to X*Y until well funded.

Repeat.

I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to
go under in the long run.  They will go like the dot-coms.  Build
build Build Ah shit no revenue!

That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company.
That is the only way you can control quality.  Good employees are very
hard to find.  For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are
worth talking to seriously.  You're lucky to find 1 that is worth
hiring.

Always a ray of sunshine!

Marco Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.


On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG  wrote:
> Patrick,
>
> #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here.
> #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are
> available but I will not take on too much debt at one time.
> #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion
> versus daily operations.
>
> Notes-
> Employees: Too small to enjoy such a "luxury".
> Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply.
> Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you
> buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive.
>
> -RickG
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary 
wrote:
>>
>> Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I
>> am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why?
>>
>> Some possibilities:
>> Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or
>> otherwise gone?
>> Is it competition? If so, how specifically.
>> Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits
>> (e.g. health insurance)?
>> Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application?
>> Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus
>> application that would include your market?
>> Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to
>> deliver what you need to compete?
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>> Aperto Networks
>> 813.426.4230 mobile
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

[Robert West]

I second that.  The opportunists who saw a quick buck will be selling off
equipment in a few years.  Good thing the government is giving them lots of
cash so they can buy some expensive gear to be sold later for cheap!  



-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:57 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

Yeah, what he said!

I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank 
over the next 3 or 4 years.  I want to be ready to pick those companies up.
marlon

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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth


> Patrick,
>
> Not being one for gov money
>
> We have excellent credit.  We have that because we only expand at a
> rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs.  So the
> cycle goes:
>
> 1.  Build out X number of Towers.
> 2.  Market X number of Areas.
> 3.  Install Customers to X*Y until well funded.
>
> Repeat.
>
> I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to
> go under in the long run.  They will go like the dot-coms.  Build
> build Build Ah shit no revenue!
>
> That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company.
> That is the only way you can control quality.  Good employees are very
> hard to find.  For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are
> worth talking to seriously.  You're lucky to find 1 that is worth
> hiring.
>
> Always a ray of sunshine!
>
> Marco Coelho
> Argon Technologies Inc.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG  wrote:
>> Patrick,
>>
>> #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here.
>> #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are
>> available but I will not take on too much debt at one time.
>> #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion
>> versus daily operations.
>>
>> Notes-
>> Employees: Too small to enjoy such a "luxury".
>> Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply.
>> Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you
>> buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive.
>>
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary  
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I
>>> am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why?
>>>
>>> Some possibilities:
>>> Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or
>>> otherwise gone?
>>> Is it competition? If so, how specifically.
>>> Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits
>>> (e.g. health insurance)?
>>> Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application?
>>> Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus
>>> application that would include your market?
>>> Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to
>>> deliver what you need to compete?
>>>
>>> Patrick Leary
>>> Aperto Networks
>>> 813.426.4230 mobile
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

[Robert West]

Exactly!  So instead, they want to squander it and hope to get cash from
selling or big license fees.  A little bit backwards, don't ya think.  So
they give out a few billion bucks and it still doesn't cover 50%.  If they
would even just light license good spectrum we'd be all over it with no
stimulus cash needed and the benefits would pay off tremendously for
everyone, not just the WISP operator.  But then again, it would quickly be
monopolized by the new Wal-Mart division, WISP-Mart.  They would import
cheap bandwidth from China, putting our domestic bandwidth factories out of
business.  The electrons wouldn't last as long and the information would be
inferior...  On second thought, maybe it's just better this way.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

Imagine WISPs using 700mhz to service their customers.  No stimulus package
needed.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> Bingo!
>
> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>
>
> On Oct 8, 2009, at 12:15 PM, "Robert West"  micro.com> wrote:
>
> > I think the major barrier to wisp growth is lack of quality, NLOS
> > spectrum.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Marco Coelho
> > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:21 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
> >
> > Patrick,
> >
> > Not being one for gov money
> >
> > We have excellent credit.  We have that because we only expand at a
> > rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs.  So the
> > cycle goes:
> >
> > 1.  Build out X number of Towers.
> > 2.  Market X number of Areas.
> > 3.  Install Customers to X*Y until well funded.
> >
> > Repeat.
> >
> > I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to
> > go under in the long run.  They will go like the dot-coms.  Build
> > build Build Ah shit no revenue!
> >
> > That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company.
> > That is the only way you can control quality.  Good employees are very
> > hard to find.  For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are
> > worth talking to seriously.  You're lucky to find 1 that is worth
> > hiring.
> >
> > Always a ray of sunshine!
> >
> > Marco Coelho
> > Argon Technologies Inc.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG  wrote:
> >> Patrick,
> >>
> >> #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here.
> >> #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are
> >> available but I will not take on too much debt at one time.
> >> #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion
> >> versus daily operations.
> >>
> >> Notes-
> >> Employees: Too small to enjoy such a "luxury".
> >> Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply.
> >> Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless
> >> you
> >> buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive.
> >>
> >> -RickG
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary 
> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or
> >>> other, I
> >>> am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and
> >>> why?
> >>>
> >>> Some possibilities:
> >>> Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen
> >>> or
> >>> otherwise gone?
> >>> Is it competition? If so, how specifically.
> >>> Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee
> >>> benefits
> >>> (e.g. health insurance)?
> >>> Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application?
> >>> Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus
> >>> application that would include your market?
> >>> Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall
> >>> inadequate to
> 

Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

[Robert West]

One of my issues is that it isn't necessary.  We make money at this
business, or at least try to.  If an area is underserved or not served,
that's usually because of middle mile issues or terrain.  It's all line of
sight and no one, not even the people trying to start up a wisp with this
"free" money, are going to put up towers every mile or so just to pump a
signal into a valley with 2 or 3 homes if even that.  So they will obviously
be going for the "easy" areas and those are ones that we can service just
fine already and probably do.  The motivation is profit, it shouldn't be
free money.  As someone mentioned before, the majority of these new startups
will be here and gone and they will no doubt give a black eye to the
wireless business from their lack of experience and sense of responsibility
to both their customer and the reputation of the industry they represent.  

The only true Broadband Stimulus would be to open up enough usable white
space spectrum and the market will take care of it from there.  

Guaranteed.


Robert West
Just Micro Digital Services Inc.




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tim Sylvester
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:43 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

> Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply.

I want to understand people's opposition to the Broadband Stimulus programs.


Rick and other people opposed to the stimulus, can you expand on why you
don't believe in the Stimulus and why you didn't apply? Are there things you
think the government - FCC, congress, etc. - could do to help ISPs and
expanding broadband?

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Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

[Robert West]

Yes.  However my point in it all is that if the government wants to help
then cash really isn't the answer.  You can throw money at anything and
still have no useable result.  Cash versus spectrum.  I need tools, not
money.  With the correct spectrum we wouldn't have to worry about cherry
picking.  I know, I know, everyone gripes about spectrum availability but
it's because it's true.  That would change the entire makeup of wireless
internet.  That would be in the public good and, after all, the public DOES
own the airwaves but our representatives use it as a profit center instead
of the original intent of "serving the public good".



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

The problem I've seen in general is that a lot of areas are cherry- 
picked. Anything with any reasonable density (say, the Village centers  
in a Town) already have access. You can't really make a business case  
based on what people can afford to roll out service in many areas out  
here because of the geography.

Yet, there's public good, not just individual good, done by providing  
access to these folks.

So, yes, I think the stimulus funding can be a good thing. The problem  
is, I fear it's going to be co-opted for applications that really  
didn't need the funding in the first place.

Chuck

On Oct 8, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Robert West wrote:

> One of my issues is that it isn't necessary.  We make money at this
> business, or at least try to.  If an area is underserved or not  
> served,
> that's usually because of middle mile issues or terrain.  It's all  
> line of
> sight and no one, not even the people trying to start up a wisp with  
> this
> "free" money, are going to put up towers every mile or so just to  
> pump a
> signal into a valley with 2 or 3 homes if even that.  So they will  
> obviously
> be going for the "easy" areas and those are ones that we can service  
> just
> fine already and probably do.  The motivation is profit, it  
> shouldn't be
> free money.  As someone mentioned before, the majority of these new  
> startups
> will be here and gone and they will no doubt give a black eye to the
> wireless business from their lack of experience and sense of  
> responsibility
> to both their customer and the reputation of the industry they  
> represent.
>
> The only true Broadband Stimulus would be to open up enough usable  
> white
> space spectrum and the market will take care of it from there.
>
> Guaranteed.
>
>
> Robert West
> Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of Tim Sylvester
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:43 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
>
>> Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply.
>
> I want to understand people's opposition to the Broadband Stimulus  
> programs.
>
>
> Rick and other people opposed to the stimulus, can you expand on why  
> you
> don't believe in the Stimulus and why you didn't apply? Are there  
> things you
> think the government - FCC, congress, etc. - could do to help ISPs and
> expanding broadband?
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

[Robert West]

Exactly.  As I said earlier, the free money is sure to have a bunch of Joe
blows and hucksters emerge as "Wireless Internet" companies only to do such
a poor and uncaring job that it will give the rest of us a black eye and a
bad taste in the mouth of future customers.  Time will tell and with
everything else, there isn't much we can do as far as that goes.  WISPA has
indeed done a very good job in making our positions known on the whitespace
and for that I'm grateful.  At least we have a voice.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Profito
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 2:48 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

I know it's not FUNNY FRIDAY yet but as Flip used to say, "the devil made me
do it"

Ya know, the IRS (US Government) took over a whore house in Nevada. Now some
law says the IRS has to run a running business to try to repay the
government for back taxes or incase the owner wins it back on appeal.) Now
as a sales person, I think the two easiest things to sell LEGALLY would be
whiskey and well, "you know what".

THEY WENT OUT OF BUSINESS 

Only my opinion here; They should capitalize on what they are extremely good
at, THE DESTRUCTION BUSINESS! 
Come to think of it, this may be part of the internet take over/
destruction. 
I nominate Jack for CZAR, he's got the moustache! 

CHUCK PROFITO

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Curtis Maurand
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth


Not going there on this list, but there is a long list its done right 
including funding the development of the Internet upon which you make 
your living.  I would add the highway system as well.

--Curtis



Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Are there things you think the government - FCC, congress, etc. - could
do
>> 
> to help ISPs and expanding broadband?
>
> Seriously?  Name one thing the government has done right in the last 200
> years.  The list should start and end with the military and that can be
> argued either way.  The only thing the government could do to help is to
not
> do anything at all.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
> improbable, must be the truth."
> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Tim Sylvester
wrote:
>
>   
>>> Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply.
>>>   
>> I want to understand people's opposition to the Broadband Stimulus
>> programs.
>>
>>
>> Rick and other people opposed to the stimulus, can you expand on why you
>> don't believe in the Stimulus and why you didn't apply? Are there things
>> you
>> think the government - FCC, congress, etc. - could do to help ISPs and
>> expanding broadband?
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>


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Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

[Robert West]

The government will never do things right.  It all depends on what side of
the fence you are on.  To walk softly here and bring a hint of religion into
a political discussion.  Good and evil.  Good is the same as evil and
evil is the same as good for a lot of things.  Depends on the side of the
fence you are on.  One side cheers about a government action and the other
side jeers.  Everyone has an agenda, government and otherwise,  but it's
never the right one for me!  :)

Josh said " The only thing the government could do to help is to not
do anything at all."

Maybe so but I have found that it isn't even safe to do just nothing.  I
frequently am doing the "wrong thing" at home even when I am doing nothing.
At least that's what the wife tells me.  I just assume whatever I do will be
wrong and just do it anyway.  Such as is with our government.


A lack of consensus is why it's a never ending discussion and can easily
consume this little old WISP list.   So..  It's just better to keep it
wireless.




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

Well said!

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth


Seriously?  Name one thing the government has done right in the last 200
years.  The list should start and end with the military and that can be
argued either way.  The only thing the government could do to help is to not
do anything at all.

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Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

[Robert West]

But it sounds like this has PPPoE written all over it.  What is the barrier
to PPPoE?  Maybe we can look at that end of it as well to see if the
objections to it can be weeded out.  Not to push that but I think some would
at least like to know why things have been rejected.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Kilton
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:37 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] DHCP options

We are looking into a DHCP delivery method that doesn't require the use
of Mac Addresses to enter. We are using all Alvarion VL equipment (5.x &
900) the problem is:

We want Customer to plug in device and get a DHCP address, easy right.
Okay hard part, without the use of Mac addresses how can we tell which
customers are what and log this into a database. Is there a way to
control this via the radio? 

We don't want to use PPPoE so that option is out, we currently provide
Static IP numbers for everybody but would like to get away from this in
certain (cheaper) markets. 

Come on guys, hit me with your best ideas on this one. Were at a wall.


Thank You,
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Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

[Robert West]

And that's pretty much what they said about the Romans!  

Had to add it..



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of chris cooper
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:03 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

Having spent some time in some rugged spots in the world I can say by
comparison that Im happy with some things the government does.  Clean,
potable water is nice as are decent roads, fire protection and lack of
Malaria. It aint all bad.

Chris

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Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

Well said!

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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth


Seriously?  Name one thing the government has done right in the last 200
years.  The list should start and end with the military and that can be
argued either way.  The only thing the government could do to help is to
not
do anything at all.

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Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

[Robert West]

I understand that but he was looking for a way to track who was connecting
to his network and pulling from the DHCP without knowing the MAC ID of the
client.  He wants to put a name to the client device, so to speak.  Plain
DHCP is fine but it's pretty faceless as you said, but with the client not
passing any identifying information to him he has no way of knowing who is
who.



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

Robert West wrote:
> But it sounds like this has PPPoE written all over it.  What is the
barrier
> to PPPoE?  Maybe we can look at that end of it as well to see if the
> objections to it can be weeded out.  Not to push that but I think some
would
> at least like to know why things have been rejected.

PPPoE requires the customer to do extra work, whereas DHCP (if 
implemented well) is basically zero-configuration to the end-user. They 
can buy a new PC, a new router, a new whatever, plug it in, and magic 
happens. Magic means they're not calling for support configuring a PPPoE 
client, which makes us happy.

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

[Robert West]

I've never seen that.  Is it the switch that gathers the info or what?



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

This has DHCP option 82 written all over it. It's very popular in a 
DOCSIS environment. I assume the Alvarion equipment doesn't support 
option 82. If this is the case you could do it via an option 82 capable 
switch. The switch could tell you what port, MAC, IP, etc.

Good luck.

-Eric

Cameron Kilton wrote:
> We are looking into a DHCP delivery method that doesn't require the use
> of Mac Addresses to enter. We are using all Alvarion VL equipment (5.x &
> 900) the problem is:
>
> We want Customer to plug in device and get a DHCP address, easy right.
> Okay hard part, without the use of Mac addresses how can we tell which
> customers are what and log this into a database. Is there a way to
> control this via the radio? 
>
> We don't want to use PPPoE so that option is out, we currently provide
> Static IP numbers for everybody but would like to get away from this in
> certain (cheaper) markets. 
>
> Come on guys, hit me with your best ideas on this one. Were at a wall.
>
>
> Thank You,
> Cameron
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

[Robert West]

Okay, I see the option 82..  I'm totally new to this one.  How do you
log the info from it?  


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

This has DHCP option 82 written all over it. It's very popular in a 
DOCSIS environment. I assume the Alvarion equipment doesn't support 
option 82. If this is the case you could do it via an option 82 capable 
switch. The switch could tell you what port, MAC, IP, etc.

Good luck.

-Eric

Cameron Kilton wrote:
> We are looking into a DHCP delivery method that doesn't require the use
> of Mac Addresses to enter. We are using all Alvarion VL equipment (5.x &
> 900) the problem is:
>
> We want Customer to plug in device and get a DHCP address, easy right.
> Okay hard part, without the use of Mac addresses how can we tell which
> customers are what and log this into a database. Is there a way to
> control this via the radio? 
>
> We don't want to use PPPoE so that option is out, we currently provide
> Static IP numbers for everybody but would like to get away from this in
> certain (cheaper) markets. 
>
> Come on guys, hit me with your best ideas on this one. Were at a wall.
>
>
> Thank You,
> Cameron
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

[Robert West]

Oh, hell yes, Brother-man!  This is looking good. Can you then block that
mac?



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

Yes, and there's more.  

If you have a subscriber re-distributing the service through a Wi-Fi AP
(such as an apartment manager offering free Internet to the renters from
your service), you can get a lot of information to help you discover it.
For example, NetStumbler (if you do a truckroll to the suspect with a
laptop running it) will reveal the MAC address of the AP no matter what
encryption they are using (it's necessarily revealed during the initial
association).  If it's attached to your modem and it gets it's address
from your DHCP server, then the MAC address of the CPE is revealed in
Option 82.  A quick LeaseQuery and BINGO!

. . . J o n a t h a n


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

Okay, I see the option 82..  I'm totally new to this one.  How do you
log the info from it?  


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

This has DHCP option 82 written all over it. It's very popular in a DOCSIS
environment. I assume the Alvarion equipment doesn't support option 82. If
this is the case you could do it via an option 82 capable switch. The
switch could tell you what port, MAC, IP, etc.

Good luck.

-Eric

Cameron Kilton wrote:
> We are looking into a DHCP delivery method that doesn't require the 
> use of Mac Addresses to enter. We are using all Alvarion VL equipment 
> (5.x &
> 900) the problem is:
>
> We want Customer to plug in device and get a DHCP address, easy right.
> Okay hard part, without the use of Mac addresses how can we tell which 
> customers are what and log this into a database. Is there a way to 
> control this via the radio?
>
> We don't want to use PPPoE so that option is out, we currently provide 
> Static IP numbers for everybody but would like to get away from this 
> in certain (cheaper) markets.
>
> Come on guys, hit me with your best ideas on this one. Were at a wall.
>
>
> Thank You,
> Cameron
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

[Robert West]

They're politicians.  They only have to be able to say they offered cash,
actually handing it over is less than  secondary.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:54 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

They got that all backwards though at the FCC. First auction off 700 Mhz and
then give all these ISP's a shot at $$$. But, then again, I don't think the
FCC had us WISP's in mind that much with the stimulus money?

Scottie

-- Original Message ------
From: "Robert West" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:39:09 -0400

>Exactly!  So instead, they want to squander it and hope to get cash from
>selling or big license fees.  A little bit backwards, don't ya think.  So
>they give out a few billion bucks and it still doesn't cover 50%.  If they
>would even just light license good spectrum we'd be all over it with no
>stimulus cash needed and the benefits would pay off tremendously for
>everyone, not just the WISP operator.  But then again, it would quickly be
>monopolized by the new Wal-Mart division, WISP-Mart.  They would import
>cheap bandwidth from China, putting our domestic bandwidth factories out of
>business.  The electrons wouldn't last as long and the information would be
>inferior...  On second thought, maybe it's just better this way.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:30 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
>
>Imagine WISPs using 700mhz to service their customers.  No stimulus package
>needed.
>
>Josh Luthman
>Office: 937-552-2340
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>
>"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
>improbable, must be the truth."
>--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>
>
>On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
>> Bingo!
>>
>> Sent from my Motorola Startac...
>>
>>
>> On Oct 8, 2009, at 12:15 PM, "Robert West" > micro.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I think the major barrier to wisp growth is lack of quality, NLOS
>> > spectrum.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> > On
>> > Behalf Of Marco Coelho
>> > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:21 AM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
>> >
>> > Patrick,
>> >
>> > Not being one for gov money
>> >
>> > We have excellent credit.  We have that because we only expand at a
>> > rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs.  So the
>> > cycle goes:
>> >
>> > 1.  Build out X number of Towers.
>> > 2.  Market X number of Areas.
>> > 3.  Install Customers to X*Y until well funded.
>> >
>> > Repeat.
>> >
>> > I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to
>> > go under in the long run.  They will go like the dot-coms.  Build
>> > build Build Ah shit no revenue!
>> >
>> > That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company.
>> > That is the only way you can control quality.  Good employees are very
>> > hard to find.  For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are
>> > worth talking to seriously.  You're lucky to find 1 that is worth
>> > hiring.
>> >
>> > Always a ray of sunshine!
>> >
>> > Marco Coelho
>> > Argon Technologies Inc.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG  wrote:
>> >> Patrick,
>> >>
>> >> #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here.
>> >> #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are
>> >> available but I will not take on too much debt at one time.
>> >> #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion
>> >> versus daily operations.
>> >>
>> >> Notes-
>> >> Employees: Too small to enjoy such a "luxury".
>> >> Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply.
>> >> Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless
>> >> you
>> >> buy CPE in 100 

Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

[Robert West]

I don't know but I heard that the wireless mic lobby in Washington is a
pretty influential bunch.

Bob-


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

I think it should not be auctioned. Not to get into the details, but the
government has somehow subsidized or gave money to the big telco's over the
last 30 - 40 years just to get a single line of communications to our
home(Brian eluded to this in earlier posts). Most telco's have benefited
greatly from this and they have ton's more money now, compared to than any
WISP with less than half a million customers could even THINK of offering
for spectrum. To further subordinate this, the rural telco's have been
protected from any competition for so long, it falls into the same category.
Open it up, and let the American people decide the winners and losers. If
more Americans want Internet than wireless mic's...I guess that Internet
wins...after all, is the FCC not to serve the American People, or is it the
companies who give the most $$$ back that they support?

Scottie



-- Original Message --
From: "Tim Sylvester" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:46:09 -0700

>> I also further the idea that
>> release of public spectrum in the UHF bands would be a great shot in
>> the arm towards the goal of ubiquitous broadband.  Cheaper than a
>> stimulus package too.
>
>OK. We are getting somewhere. You do want the government to do something.
>You want the government to open up the UHF bands for wireless data
services.
>How should this be done? Should the spectrum be "free" or sold at auction
to
>the highest bidder? Unlicensed, licensed, or semi-licensed? What
>restrictions, if any, should be placed on the devices using the spectrum -
>power output, cognitive radios, etc.? What about interference with wireless
>mics?
>
>Tim
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

[Robert West]

The government would figure out a way to lose money on that too.

They could provide the bulk of it to Baptists.  Ie, folks who really don't
need it.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

Maybe he should have legalized marijuana? Would have probably done better!
J/K!

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:52:38 -0500

>Let's not forget that the aim of the stimulus grant was to get money moving

>again, create jobs, etc.  People getting broadband is only an after
thought.
>
>
>-
>Mike Hammett
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>http://www.ics-il.com
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>Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:20 PM
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
>
>> Whatever happened to the American work ethic?  What ever happened to
>> the American way of working towards the future?  Both have been
>> replaced by a want-it-now instant gratification
>> mentality.  Traditionally, a small business could become a big
>> business by grit, determination, and hard work.
>>
>> It is wrong that we have become such an entitlement ready nation; if
>> the government pays me I'll do it.  I also further the idea that
>> release of public spectrum in the UHF bands would be a great shot in
>> the arm towards the goal of ubiquitous broadband.  Cheaper than a
>> stimulus package too.
>>
>> Both the government and American business have become fond of short
>> term returns at the expense of long term gain and stability.  Just
>> how much of this stimulus money will have found its way to bringing
>> ubiquitous broadband to the masses?  I don't think it is going to
>> solve the problem, or guarantee long term stability.
>>
>> Giveaways have always been fraught with fraud, cronyism and
>> fat.  While not actually a dance with the devil, submission to
>> governmental scrutiny for the sake of subsidized expansion of your
>> business is, in my opinion, short sighted.
>>
>> My ideals are more in line with wisdom handed down through the ages:
>> "The government is best which governs least."
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> At 11:42 AM 10/8/2009, you wrote:
>>> > Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply.
>>>
>>>I want to understand people's opposition to the Broadband Stimulus 
>>>programs.
>>>
>>>
>>>Rick and other people opposed to the stimulus, can you expand on why you
>>>don't believe in the Stimulus and why you didn't apply? Are there things 
>>>you
>>>think the government - FCC, congress, etc. - could do to help ISPs and
>>>expanding broadband?
>>>
>>>Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

[Robert West]

Okay, okay.  A good description of people unhappy with the government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:15 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

And that's pretty much what they said about the Romans!  

Had to add it..



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of chris cooper
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:03 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

Having spent some time in some rugged spots in the world I can say by
comparison that Im happy with some things the government does.  Clean,
potable water is nice as are decent roads, fire protection and lack of
Malaria. It aint all bad.

Chris

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

Well said!

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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth


Seriously?  Name one thing the government has done right in the last 200
years.  The list should start and end with the military and that can be
argued either way.  The only thing the government could do to help is to
not
do anything at all.

Josh Luthman





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Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

[Robert West]

Just keep in mind that in exchange for the governmental help, these
utilities were made into monopolies.  If you look at pictures of the streets
of a large city from the turn of the century you'd see masses of wires
everywhere from the multiple phone companies and electric providers.  A
business had to have 4 or 5 phones installed to have access to the competing
networks.  Each utility was eventually consolidated into one provider per
service.  We now have multiple paths to the internet in lots of areas and
there isn't much of a reason to scale it down to one and become a classic
utility.  I'm sure the government would love to have that happen, easier to
deal with for them.  Giving a large chunk of cash to one regional provider
would be a step in that direction (Broadband Stimulus) but would still not
kill the rest of us unless they eventually regulated out competition.  If
the idea was indeed to do a large scale build out to provide access to
everyone, who would be the provider and who would eventually own the
infrastructure of such a system?

Robert West
Just Micro Digital Services Inc.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:19 PM
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth

Brian makes good points, as long as the FCC would allow any ISP the rights
to this: "It's time to do the same for the internet and broadband. Not just
one time funding for build outs, but also money to help sustain the
operations over time in markets that just can't do it otherwise." The Rural
Telephone Cooperatives "rule the roost" in my competitive area(with
telephone and internet) and they should not be the only ones getting this
funding. The FCC has already done that with the "rural exemption" clauses in
the TA of 1996, along with other telecom wide Act's passages.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: Brian Webster 
Reply-To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com, WISPA General List

Date:  Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:38:37 -0400

>Part of the issue for the rural markets is the actual household density.
There are some areas that on their own, will not sustain a viable business
model even if you have grant money to fund the initial build out. The
internet should be viewed as a utility. When other utility technologies were
new (electricity and telephone) the government fought with this same exact
problem. For the telephone industry they came up with the universal services
fund (USF). Areas that qualified for this funding received monthly subsidies
to balance out the costs to make it a viable business model in those areas
that did not otherwise make the case for private enterprise to do it alone.
The Rural Electrification Act (REA) also did things to solve these problems.
It's time to do the same for the internet and broadband. Not just one time
funding for build outs, but also money to help sustain the operations over
time in markets that just can't do it otherwise.

Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as
$30.00/mth.
Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information.




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Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

[Robert West]

We have a winner!  We were discussing this very thing a month or so ago in a
different thread looking for ways to discover and block.  and now here
it is.  I'll be looking into this animal further.  Thanks.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:15 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

Sure 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:36 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

Oh, hell yes, Brother-man!  This is looking good. Can you then block that
mac?



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:29 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

Yes, and there's more.  

If you have a subscriber re-distributing the service through a Wi-Fi AP
(such as an apartment manager offering free Internet to the renters from
your service), you can get a lot of information to help you discover it.
For example, NetStumbler (if you do a truckroll to the suspect with a
laptop running it) will reveal the MAC address of the AP no matter what
encryption they are using (it's necessarily revealed during the initial
association).  If it's attached to your modem and it gets it's address
from your DHCP server, then the MAC address of the CPE is revealed in
Option 82.  A quick LeaseQuery and BINGO!

. . . J o n a t h a n


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:02 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

Okay, I see the option 82..  I'm totally new to this one.  How do you
log the info from it?  


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options

This has DHCP option 82 written all over it. It's very popular in a DOCSIS
environment. I assume the Alvarion equipment doesn't support option 82. If
this is the case you could do it via an option 82 capable switch. The
switch could tell you what port, MAC, IP, etc.

Good luck.

-Eric

Cameron Kilton wrote:
> We are looking into a DHCP delivery method that doesn't require the 
> use of Mac Addresses to enter. We are using all Alvarion VL equipment 
> (5.x &
> 900) the problem is:
>
> We want Customer to plug in device and get a DHCP address, easy right.
> Okay hard part, without the use of Mac addresses how can we tell which 
> customers are what and log this into a database. Is there a way to 
> control this via the radio?
>
> We don't want to use PPPoE so that option is out, we currently provide 
> Static IP numbers for everybody but would like to get away from this 
> in certain (cheaper) markets.
>
> Come on guys, hit me with your best ideas on this one. Were at a wall.
>
>
> Thank You,
> Cameron
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth

[Robert West]

I'm with you on that.  If I'm not traveling to Europe I don't much care what
the exchange rate is.  Aside from impacting imports, it doesn't immediately
impact the staples in my life.  The power company, grocery store and the
like also have to operate on the dollar so we're all in the same boat.  Now,
if I go to say, Spain, YIKES!  It's where you live, not where you don't
live.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth

 

I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is "worth
less" to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my
power bill, why does it matter?

Travis
Microserv

RickG wrote: 

"put some money in the bank"
The question is: which currency?
With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the
bank?
I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its
gonna be worthless soon.
Any other ideas guys?
-RickG
 
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
  wrote:
  

Yeah, what he said!
 
I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the bank
over the next 3 or 4 years.  I want to be ready to pick those companies up.
marlon
 
- Original Message -
From: "Marco Coelho"   
To: "WISPA General List"   
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
 
 


Patrick,
 
Not being one for gov money
 
We have excellent credit.  We have that because we only expand at a
rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs.  So the
cycle goes:
 
1.  Build out X number of Towers.
2.  Market X number of Areas.
3.  Install Customers to X*Y until well funded.
 
Repeat.
 
I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to
go under in the long run.  They will go like the dot-coms.  Build
build Build Ah shit no revenue!
 
That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company.
That is the only way you can control quality.  Good employees are very
hard to find.  For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are
worth talking to seriously.  You're lucky to find 1 that is worth
hiring.
 
Always a ray of sunshine!
 
Marco Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
 
 
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG  
 wrote:
  

Patrick,
 
#1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here.
#2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are
available but I will not take on too much debt at one time.
#3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion
versus daily operations.
 
Notes-
Employees: Too small to enjoy such a "luxury".
Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply.
Technologies: Proprietary equipment are a bit too expensive unless you
buy CPE in 100 packs. Even then, the AP's are still expensive.
 
-RickG
 
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Patrick Leary
 
wrote:


Regardless of your tech choice -- Moto, 802.11-based, WiMAX or other, I
am interested to know what are the greatest barriers to growth and why?
 
Some possibilities:
Is it funding and if so, are your normal channels for money frozen or
otherwise gone?
Is it competition? If so, how specifically.
Are you constrained from hiring due to high cost of employee benefits
(e.g. health insurance)?
Are you stalled waiting for response from your stimulus application?
Are you stalled trying to defend against someone else's stimulus
application that would include your market?
Are the current technologies too expensive or technicall inadequate to
deliver what you need to compete?
 
Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth

[Robert West]

I'm trying hard to stay out of it but

It's just a sign of getting old, guys.  "I remember when gas was 32
cents.  etc."

The purchasing power of a dollar has decreased since essentially day one.

For example, today's one dollar was worth $7.25 in 1960.  1950 is was worth
$8.94, 1940 it was $15.35  

It will never, stay worth what it is today.  As long as there are people out
there looking to make a little extra cash, it will always creep up.  It's
the nature of free enterprise.

Let's just admit we're old.  :)




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth

5% increase of costs don't stop at just bread.  It costs 5% more to ship.
Your WISP gear.  Gas and truck.  Payroll.

If it costs more to get into the US it costs more to get to you.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it
> goes up to $2.10.
>
> So because of that "fear", everyone wants to find a different place to
> put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Jeff Ehman wrote:
> > Imports cost us way more money.  That may not directly affect any
> individual consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer.  Cost
of
> production increases greatly.  The only way they can make money is to
> increase their prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price
to
> individual consumers.  It creates inflation.
> >
> > -Jeff Ehman
> >
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:26 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
> >
> > I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is "worth
> less" to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries, or pay my
> power bill, why does it matter?
> >
> > Travis
> > Microserv
> >
> > RickG wrote:
> >
> > "put some money in the bank"
> >
> > The question is: which currency?
> >
> > With the dollar falling (or failing) what good is it going to do in the
> bank?
> >
> > I guess I'll just keep pouring it back into the company because its
> >
> > gonna be worthless soon.
> >
> > Any other ideas guys?
> >
> > -RickG
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer  > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Yeah, what he said!
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm gonna work REALLY hard to pay down debt and put some money in the
> bank
> >
> > over the next 3 or 4 years.  I want to be ready to pick those companies
> up.
> >
> > marlon
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> >
> > From: "Marco Coelho" 
> >
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:20 AM
> >
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Patrick,
> >
> >
> >
> > Not being one for gov money
> >
> >
> >
> > We have excellent credit.  We have that because we only expand at a
> >
> > rate the will allow funding (new business) to cover our costs.  So the
> >
> > cycle goes:
> >
> >
> >
> > 1.  Build out X number of Towers.
> >
> > 2.  Market X number of Areas.
> >
> > 3.  Install Customers to X*Y until well funded.
> >
> >
> >
> > Repeat.
> >
> >
> >
> > I think a lot of the companies that take stimulus money are going to
> >
> > go under in the long run.  They will go like the dot-coms.  Build
> >
> > build Build Ah shit no revenue!
> >
> >
> >
> > That being said, we are vertical, all workers work for the company.
> >
> > That is the only way you can control quality.  Good employees are very
> >
> > hard to find.  For every 100-200 applications/resumes, maybe 10 are
> >
> > worth talking to seriously.  You're lucky to find 1 that is worth
> >
> > hiring.
> >
> >
> >
> > Always a ray of sunshine!
> >
> >
> >
> > Marco Coelho
> >
> > Argon Technologies Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:25 PM, RickG  rgunder...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Patrick,
> >
> >
> >
> > #1- Labor: There is very little skilled resources here.
> >
> > #2- Funding: Especially for labor. Normal financing channels are
> >
> > available but I will not take on too much debt at one time.
> >
> > #3- Time: There is little extra time to dedicate towards expansion
> >
> > versus daily operations.
> >
> >
> >
> > Notes-
> >
> > Employees: Too small to enjoy such a "luxury".
> >
> > Stimulus: I don't believe in it and did not apply.
> >
> > Technologies: Proprietary equipment are

Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke

[Robert West]

Run away and run away quickly.  

I was down this route not long ago and gave it up.  The costs were way too
high for little ol' me.  I couldn't justify the cost.  Sitting down with the
entire picture laid out to me by the red tape of Crown Castle, it came out
to be cheaper to install my own tower, at least in my area anyhow because
the costs aren't so bad.  I didn't have to do that even because I eventually
had a sweetheart situation fall into my hands and now it's all good.  Look
at all other alternatives, no matter how crazy they may sound before
shelling out that much jack for a tower lease.  Unless of course you are
rolling in dough and can wait 6 months or more to install  

Keep smiling!

Bob-

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Kilton
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:33 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless = Joke

I was interested in a Verizon Wireless tower, than they tell me there is a
non-refundable $2500 application fee. WOW, what a rip off.

I attached there application if nobody else has one to laugh at.

-Cameron




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Re: [WISPA] FCC WANTS UNUSED SPECTRUM GIVEN BACK

[Robert West]

Okay  We were given a spectrum that was basically being used for short
distance cordless telephones and have turned it into long distance, 2-way
communications with the world.  All with a lousy 3 channels (2.4)  They gave
this spectrum away because it was basically trash to them.  (Or us, since we
ARE the owners of the spectrum)  These 3 channels have been massaged into
being a pretty good carrier for the most part.  "Live within your means" is
what I have always been told.  Sure the cell carriers want more spectrum.
Who doesn't?!  It's saves money because you don't have to innovate around
your obstacles.  I say they have what they have and they have enough.  We
know that money talks so they'll get what they want but really, they should
just find better ways to use what they already have.  

"We want 100% broadband coverage of the United States.  No, you can't have
any of the spectrum out there that would certainly HELP us obtain that goal
without question, but hereTake this billion bucks and go away.  I'm
doing what I can to make this possible and this proves it."


Beating that dead horse some more  Nope, still not moving  Lemme
check again...  Nope.  *Sigh*



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of jree...@18-30chat.net
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC WANTS UNUSED SPECTRUM GIVEN BACK

Yea but what does it mean for us? Everything I have seen makes this look
like
the FCC is only interested in the cell carriers. Maybe a trade can be done,
some
existing cellular spectrum is given over in exchange for the new spectrum?
Id
kill to have some cellular spectrum.

http://ctia.org/media/press/body.cfm/prid/1866
The cell industry wants 800mhz more spectrum available to them.

http://moconews.net/article/419-t-mobile-usa-requests-that-airwaves-once-set
-aside-for-public-safety-be/
T-Mobile wants the shared commercial/public saftey spectrum that failed to
sell
to be taken away, sold, and possibly the proceeds used to build the public
safty
network in another spectrum.



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