Re: [amsat-bb] FM birds

2014-07-29 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/27/2014 09:57 AM, Jim Sanford wrote: > Tracking doppler on 2m and 70cm was hard enough at field day. I like > 2GHz and up, but do not want to even think about the doppler. At least not with analog modes. High speed digital is very well suited to microwave in LEO as the link budgets general

Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT where are we going for what it is worth.

2014-07-26 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/22/2014 11:19 AM, Bryce Salmi wrote: > All this requires much much much more power than a 1U satellite is > currently capable of producing. At least for always on type operating. > We'll get there eventually. Only if you keep the analog modes since they hog nearly all the available power and

Re: [amsat-bb] Inclusion (satcoms?)

2014-07-26 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/22/2014 11:05 AM, Robert Bruninga wrote: > The value of ham radio is providing communications where other systems > cannot. And of course, playing with toys just for fun. I'd flip that around. With the Internet, mobile phones and other ubiquitous communications, about the sole reason left

Re: [amsat-bb] Digital Satellites Question

2014-07-26 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/22/2014 08:50 AM, Douglas Phelps wrote: > And, in a related question, wouldn't more proccessing demand more > power from the batteries/solar panels? I know my PC cetainly draws a > lot more power when the CPO is working hard. Not really. The biggest load in a communications satellite, or al

Re: [amsat-bb] Digital Satellites Question

2014-07-26 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/22/2014 08:41 AM, Dave Marthouse wrote: > A digital satellite would imply loads of processing power on the > satellite. I would assume that with this additional activity that there > will be more > hardware on the bird with more complexity as this won't be a bent pipe > system. Not necessa

Re: [amsat-bb] FM birds

2014-07-26 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/22/2014 07:49 AM, wa4...@comcast.net wrote: > SSB/CW birds are the only way to go and if you build it they will > come . Think about what it would be like to tune for Doppler while working SSB through a LEO satellite on microwave. Before you say "computer control", work out the effect of

Re: [amsat-bb] going digital

2014-07-26 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/22/2014 07:27 AM, JoAnne Maenpaa wrote: > When thinking of projects to enter into the digital communication > world plan on building or buying that digital interface to connect > your radio to the soundcard. Soundcard interfaces to existing voice radios were a good start, but it's time to m

Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-26 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/22/2014 12:26 AM, Bryce Salmi wrote: > By usher in he was clearly referring to gaining technical abilities as a > group to attack more complex satellites. That's not how I read it. In any event, AMSAT has already built far more complex satellites; remember AO-40? (Maybe that one was *too* co

Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-22 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/22/2014 04:06 PM, M5AKA wrote: > Phil, the technology you describe could equally well be used in > cross-band terrestrial transponders. Has anyone yet developed it for > terrestrial use ? Sure, there are several digital schemes now appearing for ham VHF/UHF voice use, such as D*Star (champi

Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-22 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/22/2014 06:49 AM, Clayton Coleman wrote: > Hi Phil, > > The new era I speak of is AMSAT-NA's foray into CubeSats. Well, I guess I could read that as "when all you have is lemons, make lemonade". AMSAT used to make spacecraft that, while small by commercial/military/scientific standards, dwa

Re: [amsat-bb] I want this. I want that. Here comes another FM LEO sat.

2014-07-21 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/21/2014 05:36 PM, Clayton Coleman wrote: > It's very easy to be a pessimist or a cynic. Very little risk is > involved. It doesn't take any cojones to sit in a comfy chair and > email snarky comments. If you are optimistic about a project and it > fails, your peers may see your actions as

Re: [amsat-bb] going digital

2014-07-21 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/21/2014 02:53 PM, Paul Stoetzer wrote: > I'm not totally unsympathetic to Phil's ideas. They have quite a bit > of merit, but clearly AMSAT would also have to develop the ground > station equipment in order for it to get a user base that would make > it worthwhile. Absolutely. About 14 year

Re: [amsat-bb] going digital

2014-07-21 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/21/2014 02:00 PM, Gus wrote: > Actually, DirecTV is not available for purchase in my neck of the > woods. I can get a system installed, but it wouldn't be my system to > fiddle with. Sorry about that, I was primarily thinking of AMSAT-NA members when I said that. Forget the DirecTV receive

Re: [amsat-bb] going digital

2014-07-21 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/21/2014 06:00 AM, Gus wrote: > Probably because they didn't design a satellite. They designed an > entire system including ground station components as well as flight > hardware. The ground system components were made available such that > their target audience was able to upgrade their BU

Re: [amsat-bb] going digital

2014-07-21 Thread Phil Karn
Since I think it so apropos to our discussion of old vs new technology in AMSAT, I hereby quote in full today's "Borowitz Report" from the New Yorker. Rarely does an item cause me to laugh and feel pain at the same time, but this is one of those cases. --Phil [Picture of Buzz Aldrin saluting the

Re: [amsat-bb] The root of all the problems

2014-07-20 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/20/2014 08:42 PM, Bryce Salmi wrote: > Cubesats are standardizing AMSATs satellites and there's much much more to > the satellite than simply the amateur radio mode used to communicate. If I > do my job right, and others working on their Fox-1 subsystems do their jobs > right too, you will n

Re: [amsat-bb] going digital

2014-07-20 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/20/2014 08:00 PM, Gus wrote: > I'd hazard to guess that the 'average' shack has multi-mode HF > capability, along with VHF/UHF FM. Some lesser number of 'average' > shacks will have multi-mode VHF/UHF, or could readily acquire that > capability without too much expenditure in resources (tim

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/20/2014 04:58 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote: > Hummh, > > We get an equilibrium of a cube to be about 55F (13C) when exposed to the > sun on one side and all the other sides radiating to cold space. (assuming > they are thermally connected). > > I wonder why the big difference between our calcu

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/20/2014 10:00 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote: > A good number of > amateur radio operators are only vaguely aware of the amateur > satellite program and consider it to be quite esoteric. Precisely. Huge az/el yagi arrays don't help that image either. Nor does an occasional, brief, noisy pass of a

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/20/2014 08:09 AM, Graham Shirville wrote: > Hi Phil, > > The reality is, even with no battery heater on FUNcube-1 we seem to have > an acceptable battery temperature of between 0 and +5C. The temp sensor > is, of course, actually external to the battery itself. You must be using different s

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/20/2014 06:27 AM, Rick Walter wrote: > I was not going to post but since no one else has, I thought there needs to > be a correction to a statement made in case some younger people are reading > the thread. > > Phil said: > "Good analogy, actually. They returned to the moon six times (suc

Re: [amsat-bb] going digital

2014-07-20 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/20/2014 06:13 AM, Simon Brown wrote: > John, > > If both side have good Doppler correction then it can be done, but you have > to choose the correct mode as there are other issues even if the Doppler > correction is perfect, especially when the range is changing at its maximum, > for example

Re: [amsat-bb] The root of all the problems

2014-07-20 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/20/2014 06:10 AM, Thomas Doyle wrote: > - What the majority wants is more important than any individual want. > > How do you determine what the majority wants. > > - Voting The results of an election are strongly determined by who gets to vote. If you poll the tiny fraction of the amateu

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/19/2014 09:23 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote: > Yes, but with who? 95% of everyone in view is more than 45 degrees OUT of > the main beam. Directional antennas have zero value on LEO birds that need > to serve everyone in view at the same time. And if you only serve those in > the main beam, t

Re: [amsat-bb] going digital

2014-07-20 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/20/2014 03:45 AM, John / NS1Z wrote: > Is there some reason why a digital signal cannot be passed thru an > analog/linear transponder? What goes in is what comes out. I forgot to mention that a FM repeater is not a linear transponder. Although FM is constant envelope and a FM RF power ampli

Re: [amsat-bb] going digital

2014-07-20 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/20/2014 03:45 AM, John / NS1Z wrote: > Is there some reason why a digital signal cannot be passed thru an > analog/linear transponder? What goes in is what comes out. It seems the > lack of transponder bandwidth limits the digital signal experimenter... > Maybe that is why commercial transpon

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-20 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/19/2014 09:23 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote: > I cannot believe that. The equilibrium of a nominally black (solar panels > on all sides) spacecraft is something like about 0 to 30 C (32F to 90F) a > very benign operational range. The only time you DO have thermal issues is > when you DO have a

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-19 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/19/2014 03:32 PM, Jerry Buxton wrote: > But you arguing about something that has already happened. That makes > no sense. None of the Fox satellites have yet flown, so they haven't "already happened". > Why did the U.S. go back to the moon so many times? I don't know. But > we did, and t

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-19 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/19/2014 02:04 PM, Jerry Buxton wrote: > other three would be "ready to fly" if other opportunities came up. If > you're going to spend the time developing them, why not partner for free > launches (ELaNa) for more than one? The opportunities for an FM > transponder and educational outreach

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-19 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/19/2014 01:42 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote: > >> Getting a launch opportunity is difficult and expensive. Going digital is > not. > > The Fox satellites each have four designated experiment cards. Assemble a > team and pitch a proposal for 1D, or 1C if you can do it in a hurry. > > 73, Dr

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-19 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/19/2014 12:28 PM, Paul Stoetzer wrote: > Are FM repeater satellites what we all want in orbit? No. Personally, > I'd like a Mode J linear transponder in a sun synchronous circular > orbit of about 2,000km (if we can't get anything to HEO). Getting a launch opportunity is difficult and expens

Re: [amsat-bb] ANS-199 AMSAT News Service Special Bulletin - AMSAT Fox-1C Launch Opportunity Announced

2014-07-19 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/18/2014 12:08 PM, Joseph Spier wrote: > Fox-1C is the third of four Fox-1 series satellites under > development, with Fox-1A and RadFXsat/Fox-1B launching through the > NASA ELANA program. Fox-1C will carry an FM repeater system for > amateur radio for use by radio hams and listeners worldwi

[amsat-bb] Spam via amsat.org reflector

2014-05-14 Thread Phil Karn
Like most people here I have an email address on amsat.org that automatically relays to my primary email address. I get a **lot** of spam via this path; a quick check shows that fully 96 out of 244 recent spam messages (as classified by Gmail) received at my primary email address had been addresse

[amsat-bb] Re: FUNcube telemetry performance?

2014-04-22 Thread Phil Karn
On 04/22/2014 03:40 PM, Paul Stoetzer wrote: > When FUNcube was first launched, I went out to listen to it on the first > pass that I was home for (orbit #11 I believe). Since I live in an > apartment building, I have to go outside to hear most satellite passes. > I recorded the audio on my normal

[amsat-bb] FUNcube telemetry performance?

2014-04-19 Thread Phil Karn
I haven't done anything with AO-73, but I understand it's transmitting the FEC format I originally designed for AO-40. How well is it working? What fraction of the frames are successfully decoded? How bad is the fading? I designed my format specifically for the spin fading on AO-40, and if the fad

[amsat-bb] Re: Malaysian airliner puzzle

2014-03-26 Thread Phil Karn
On 03/26/2014 12:28 PM, Howie DeFelice wrote: > All Inmarsat satellites though the F-3 series have been in inclined > orbits since beginning of life. Ah so, I was wondering if that might be the case because the user antennas are mobile and have broad patterns to begin with. What is their nominal i

[amsat-bb] Re: Malaysian airliner puzzle

2014-03-25 Thread Phil Karn
Finally, (some) technical details, though still not as many as I'd like. https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=740971779281171&id=17856654999&stream_ref=10 The original analysis was based either on a round trip time measurement or a reported transmitter power, which depends on sat

[amsat-bb] NROL-39 launch seen in San Diego

2013-12-05 Thread Phil Karn
Kimberly and I picked it up visually here in San Diego about a minute before staging. Because of the high inclination (reportedly 123 degrees) it was faint and far away, but it was unmistakable in binoculars despite local light pollution. The plume was gradually broadening as it rose into thinner a

[amsat-bb] Re: Spam through amsat.org

2013-10-31 Thread Phil Karn
On 10/31/2013 01:44 AM, Bryce Salmi wrote: > I would imagine that if your AMSAT.org email address is public and > posted online then spammers could email it which then gets forwarded and > might look like a trusted email to your email provider and not flagged > as spam.Just a thought. My amsat.org

[amsat-bb] Spam through amsat.org

2013-10-31 Thread Phil Karn
A significant fraction of the spam I get on my primary email account comes by way of the amsat.org email reflector; by my count, 18 of the 76 spam emails I've received in the last day. But I don't want to just shut it off; sometimes people I do want to hear from make contact that way. And I've use

[amsat-bb] Help wanted on CP antenna design

2013-07-16 Thread Phil Karn
I'm one of several adult mentors to a local high school ham club that's been designing and flying balloons. We are designing a high speed 70cm digital downlink for a future payload. One of my major concerns is frequency selective multipath fading in the 1 MHz bandwidth I plan to use as the balloon

[amsat-bb] Re: Back Issues of AMSAT Journal in PDF

2013-07-10 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/09/2013 06:45 PM, Stefan Wagener wrote: Well, If I am not mistaken, the copyright is still with AMSAT. Certainly would be nice to get permission from the AMSAT office before the electronic distribution goes ahead! Last time I asked, no one seemed to mind. Phil ___

[amsat-bb] Re: Back Issues of AMSAT Journal in PDF

2013-07-09 Thread Phil Karn
On 07/09/2013 04:43 PM, W7TYN wrote: Phil, Thank You very much for your excellent effort to digitize and keep AMSAT Publications. I have been active with AMSAT since the early 1970 and do have some some publications. I will inventory my collection and if they are not on your fine list I will s

[amsat-bb] Re: Back Issues of AMSAT Journal in PDF

2013-07-08 Thread Phil Karn
On 06/28/2013 11:03 AM, Les Rayburn wrote: Does AMSAT offer compilations (back issues) of the AMSAT Journal in PDF format on CD, similar to the way that the ARRL and other organizations do with their publications? A while ago I scanned my own collection of *old* AMSAT publications, from AMSAT'

[amsat-bb] Re: Nigerian scam span purporting to be from W0SL

2013-06-29 Thread Phil Karn
On 06/26/2013 03:31 PM, Roy wrote: Thanks Phil. Yes, I'm not sure how it was done but the settings are correct in my PC. AT&T has helped me to assign a new password to my account to shut this down. They say it appears to have been hacked on the AT&T web mail site. Interesting. I saw no actua

[amsat-bb] Nigerian scam span purporting to be from W0SL

2013-06-26 Thread Phil Karn
Today I got a scam email purporting to be from Roy Welch, W0SL, asking for an emergency loan. If I got it, I suspect many others on amsat-bb got it too. The originating IP address is in Nigeria. Where else? I've seen this exact scam before. In those cases someone had stolen the password of th

[amsat-bb] Re: inquiry about homebrew az-el systems

2013-03-10 Thread Phil Karn
On 03/08/2013 01:31 PM, PA3GUO wrote: Things I learned and included in my software: - thresholds are needed to avoid the system oscillating around a target position - corrections need to be made due to overshoot (after a stop command the rotor takes time to actually stop These are exactly the

[amsat-bb] Re: inquiry about homebrew az-el systems

2013-03-08 Thread Phil Karn
On 03/08/2013 12:08 AM, Gus wrote: Still, it sure sounds interesting! What do you think it would cost to put one together? Dunno. I'd have to build one. It would run from a DC supply, because the inverter would convert that to AC at the necessary voltage and frequency. Because the rotor mot

[amsat-bb] Re: inquiry about homebrew az-el systems

2013-03-07 Thread Phil Karn
Just noticed this thread and caught up. While rotor controllers are indeed a dime a dozen, I think we could do a lot better than any of them. Your typical Yaesu/Kenpro rotor uses a 24V AC 2-phase induction motor. The control box applies 50/60 Hz AC directly to one winding and to the other th

[amsat-bb] Re: Motor for Yaesu G5500 Azimuth Rotator?

2012-02-27 Thread Phil Karn
On 2/26/12 3:02 AM, i8cvs wrote: > > If you are interested in a very simple but effective "Single to 3-PHASE > Power Converter for azimuth and elevation motors currently used for > EME, look at this web page made by John Yurek, K3PGP > > http://www.k3pgp.org/3phconv.htm This is a classic "rotar

[amsat-bb] Re: Motor for Yaesu G5500 Azimuth Rotator?

2012-02-26 Thread Phil Karn
On 2/25/12 9:24 PM, Joe Fitzgerald wrote: > On 2/25/2012 4:25 PM, Phil Karn wrote: >> >> If it really was a 3-phase induction motor then there *had* to be some >> sort of phase shift at least to start it. > > Of course you are right. I found a schematic of

[amsat-bb] Re: Motor for Yaesu G5500 Azimuth Rotator?

2012-02-25 Thread Phil Karn
On 2/25/12 6:46 AM, Joe Fitzgerald wrote: > > controller, but it was not particularly sophisticated. They simply > pulsed 60Hz AC from a 24V transformer when they wanted to accelerate or > slow down. I am not exactly sure how they generated torque since there > was no evidence that they did anyth

[amsat-bb] Re: Motor for Yaesu G5500 Azimuth Rotator?

2012-02-24 Thread Phil Karn
On 2/24/12 11:58 AM, Joe Fitzgerald wrote: > Your fans will not be completely happy until your controller runs a > state-space model of the motor/antenna system, with software that is > careful to generate acceleration and jerk limited commands such that > mechanical resonances are not excited. >

[amsat-bb] Re: Motor for Yaesu G5500 Azimuth Rotator?

2012-02-24 Thread Phil Karn
On 2/23/12 2:51 PM, Tim Cunningham wrote: > I have rewound a few of these motor coils and a #24 to #26 gauge enamel > wire should work. A #22 gauge enamel wire would be too large and you > would not be able to wind the same number of turns. > > It is the breakdown of the enamel due to wire heating

[amsat-bb] Re: Motor for Yaesu G5500 Azimuth Rotator?

2012-02-23 Thread Phil Karn
On 2/23/12 12:30 PM, Len Revelle wrote: > My Hi-Q screwdriver antenna uses a resettable fuse that opens when the > drive hits top or bottom, takes a few minutes to reset after the current > subsides, and you save the motor. Seems the simplest fix to the rotor. Yes, it does. Do you know the rating

[amsat-bb] Re: Motor for Yaesu G5500 Azimuth Rotator?

2012-02-23 Thread Phil Karn
On 2/23/12 8:29 AM, WA6FWF wrote: > Hi David, > As you found out shaded pole motors do not pull more current when > they stall, they > actually pull less and so they wont blow the fuse, they just sit and cook. Are you sure these are shaded-pole motors? They're designed for a single-phase suppl

[amsat-bb] Re: Motor for Yaesu G5500 Azimuth Rotator?

2012-02-23 Thread Phil Karn
On 2/23/12 6:31 AM, David Palmer KB5WIA wrote: > > Question to the list: does anyone have a G5500 azimuth rotator with a > working motor available for parts? Or any other ideas for > replacement? You might consider rewinding it yourself. I did that with one of mine some years ago, and it worked

[amsat-bb] Re: some exceedingly clever technology

2011-08-26 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/24/11 8:11 PM, R Oler wrote: > > http://onorbit.com/node/3709 Thrusters are necessary for orbit control, but for attitude control (which I think we really need) you'd *really* prefer something that doesn't consume a fuel. These attitude control systems come in basically two types: magneto

[amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1 voice telemetry 00:27z 8/21/11

2011-08-26 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/22/11 9:18 PM, Greg D. wrote: > > Ah, interesting. So, values around +/- 0 mean that the battery is > (or thinks it is) fully charged, and the satellite is running on just > the solar panels. Since that happens pretty quickly after start-up > (low MET values), that certainly supports the co

[amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat telemetry and Doppler tuning

2011-08-21 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/20/11 6:40 AM, Ronald G. Parsons wrote: > > With these two changes, although the Doppler correction may drift off, > it does so very smoothly, which I assume allows the decoding of the BPSK > data to be more accurate. Yes, the closer you keep it the better it'll work. Errors of up to +/- 50 H

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-20 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/19/11 7:51 AM, Gregg Wonderly wrote: > What kind of digital are you suggesting? Voice and data both? A > digital path from anywhere on the planet to the appropriate ground > station is easily doable with some "documentation" of the ground stations. Digital voice would be the easiest to sup

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-18 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/18/11 10:31 PM, Dave Guimont wrote: > That's why the quadrifilars work so well. I measured the pattern some > time back, and the "beam width" is about 140 degrees Yes, something with that kind of beamwidth would be ideal on the nadir-facing surface of a stabilized satellite in low earth

[amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat telemetry and Doppler tuning

2011-08-18 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/18/11 6:59 AM, Alan P. Biddle wrote: > Ron, > > That behavior is common around TCA, Time of Closest Approach. At that time > everything is changing rapidly, and slight errors in QTH position, system > clock, and Keps can be magnified. As everybody knows, even tiny errors in the Keplerian m

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-18 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/18/11 11:03 AM, JoAnne Maenpaa wrote: > Yeah, we still have dreams! At various times it had been called AMSAT-Eagle, > Phase IV Lite, C-C Rider, and other things. You'll notice from the dates on > these papers how long we've had this dream of a millions dollar rideshare > with a millions doll

[amsat-bb] Re: Official Word for the 70cm Antenna?

2011-08-18 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/17/11 5:29 PM, Mike Schaffer wrote: > What is the official AMSAT/ARISSat1 team finding on the ARISSat-1 70cm > quarter-wave > receive antenna on the bottom of the satellite? I have not heard updated news > about that > since the jettison occurred. As far as I know, and this is *NOT* the o

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-18 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/18/11 5:47 AM, Bob Bruninga wrote: > The problem with LEO satellites is that a nadir facing antenna does give > great gain directly overhead ground stations, but only for about the center > 2 minutes of only the one direct overhead pass a day. The problem with > facing antennas "down" on a L

[amsat-bb] Re: Decoding wideband recordings

2011-08-18 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/18/11 8:15 AM, Patrick Strasser OE6PSE wrote: > For decoding please be aware that I/Q via sound interfaces has a weak > spot at the centre frequency. The interfaces all have a high pass > characteristic below like 30Hz, which means the resulting spectrum has a Yes, I'm familiar with this. I

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-17 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/17/11 4:24 PM, Alan Cresswell wrote: > That's interesting. I have collected all my passes on the TS2000 with the > AGC on and set to the longest setting. This is mainly because I often > record the signal level every 0.5 seconds during a pass which requires the > AGC to be on and the longes

[amsat-bb] Re: Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-17 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/17/11 1:36 PM, Mark L. Hammond wrote: > In any event, Phil...THANK YOU for making this code real. I have > seen it print data when the signal was visibly "in the dirt" which is > impressive and fun to see. You're most welcome. It was a lot of work mainly because there were so many options i

[amsat-bb] Turn off AGC when receiving BPSK-1000

2011-08-16 Thread Phil Karn
I forgot to offer some advice when receiving the ARISSat-1 BPSK-1000 telemetry beacon: turn off your receiver AGC if at all possible. If you can only choose between fast and slow, pick slow. If this causes a large variation in audio level, reduce the gain to avoid clipping on the peaks. A sound car

[amsat-bb] Re: Arissat transponder active over Europe.

2011-08-15 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/14/11 4:34 PM, Jim Cameron "KC9PXZ" wrote: > I have a question, I don't have a SSB rig so I am FM only, wish I could > decode telemetry and CW that would be a blast! but as I understand I > can't with just FM, or am I wrong? That's correct. It's just not possible to design a highly power-eff

[amsat-bb] Re: [suitsat2] ARISSat-1 Battery

2011-08-14 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/14/11 6:11 PM, Anthony Monteiro wrote: > Yes, Zinc dendrites will form also if the battery is > overcharged but we should not be able to do that on > ARISSat-1 so only the silver ones should be an issue. Oh, so they form on both plates. Interesting. Charging the battery plates out zinc metal

[amsat-bb] Re: Thinking about ARISSat-2

2011-08-14 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/14/11 11:31 AM, Burns Fisher wrote: > What about another strategy? Suppose we did exactly what the battery was > spec'ed for: Deep cycles. Almost every type of battery does better with shallow cycles than deep cycles. So this is almost certainly true for Ag/Zn as well. These batteries just

[amsat-bb] Re: [suitsat2] ARISSat-1 Battery

2011-08-14 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/14/11 3:18 PM, Anthony Monteiro wrote: > I think the explanation is that the battery experienced a > significant event on Aug 11 where it lost the electrolyte > in one or more cells. If this is true, the bad news is > that it will no longer hold a charge and will not operate > in eclipse any

[amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1 battery eclipse voltage decreasing

2011-08-13 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/13/11 6:11 PM, Dave Guimont wrote: > How about you designing circuitry/program to charge "cells" individually > rather than the "battery". Or has that been tried?? That's a great idea; I wish I thought of it first, but it was Lou McFadden W5DID who published a paper at the AMSAT Symposium a

[amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1 battery eclipse voltage decreasing

2011-08-13 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/11/11 8:46 PM, Gould Smith wrote: > Kenneth Ransom, N5VHO has plotted the battery min/max for the last 8 days. We > see that the battery voltage is decreasing at a faster rate than expected. > Kenneth's graph can be found on the arissat1.org site under FAQ > http://www.arissat1.org/v3/in

[amsat-bb] Re: Decoding wideband recordings

2011-08-13 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/10/11 8:24 PM, Tom Azlin N4ZPT wrote: > I have a Fun Cube Dongle so I would Phil. Thanks and 73, Tom n4zpt Okay, everybody make and keep your wideband I/Q recordings and I'll work on an enhancement to my demodulation/decoding software to process them. It may not run in real time on slower mac

[amsat-bb] Re: A rose is a rose... is a rose

2011-08-13 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/9/11 4:47 PM, Gregg Wonderly wrote: > But, if no one who "has the money" wants to fund "space flight", then it > won't > ever happen privately. I.e. why hasn't the privetization already happened? I > think it's because it doesn't "make money". There's nothing "known" to > generate > va

[amsat-bb] Decoding wideband recordings

2011-08-09 Thread Phil Karn
It's been suggested that I modify my ARISSat-1 BPSK-1000 telemetry demodulator/decoder to accept wideband quadrature (I & Q) recordings like those produced by most of the software defined radios out there. This is fundamentally not that hard, but first I need some information. How many people cou

[amsat-bb] Re: Diffference between high and low power modes on ARRISat-1

2011-08-09 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/9/11 4:56 AM, Alan P. Biddle wrote: > when the satellite is in daylight or eclipsed. A spacecraft is often > illuminated when the ground track is in darkness, though the passes you > mentioned would be in eclipse. It's very easy to tell just by looking at a tracking map whether a spacecraft

[amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat deployment direction?

2011-08-09 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/8/11 6:09 AM, Alan P. Biddle wrote: > Rich, > > Orbital dynamics are not all that intuitive. That's absolutely right. Some historical trivia: even NASA tripped over this in the early days. When the Gemini IV crew tried to rendezvous with their spent booster, they kept missing. They were try

[amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat TLM decoding using FCD

2011-08-09 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/8/11 5:23 AM, g0...@aol.com wrote: > I've been tracking doppler by hand. Seems to work OK but it's very > important to keep the CW in the 'blue' window. I would think jumps > would not be good. Perhaps frequent doppler updates. - So very small > jumps. Jumps per se are not a problem. I.e.,

[amsat-bb] Re: A rose is a rose... is a rose

2011-08-07 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/7/11 7:07 PM, Daniel Schultz wrote: > Anyone who has tried to find an engineering job recently knows that there is > no shortage of engineers, but lazy journalists keep reporting about a crisis > in STEM education and how we need to inspire the next generation to study > science and engineeri

[amsat-bb] Re: gps accuracy

2011-08-07 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/3/11 11:28 AM, Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) wrote: >> If You are trying to confirm four courners , It's going to take You several >> minutes to correctly confirm 4 different coordinates . Just a thought . > > Dave will only need to have the GPS at *one* location, which will be > the inte

[amsat-bb] Re: Life Expectancy ARISat-1

2011-08-07 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/7/11 3:40 AM, Nico Janssen wrote: > Actually the TLEs give you the values for the drag (First Time > Derivative of the Mean Motion) and for the ballistic coefficient > (BSTAR drag term). Note that in the TLEs the definition of the > ballistic coefficient is the inverse of Phil's definition, i

[amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat: strong QRM due to ISS

2011-08-07 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/7/11 1:33 AM, Mike Rupprecht wrote: > All, > > we had strong QRM on 145.950 MHz due to the ISS. Most of the ARISSat SSTV > images and voice messages were disturbed. > > Just wondering why we can hear ISS packets on that frequency. Oh so **THAT'S** where those packets were coming from! I kep

[amsat-bb] Re: ARISSatTLM

2011-08-07 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/7/11 5:59 AM, N0JY wrote: > Phil, > > My Windows 7 PC with Realtek onboard sound set at 48kHz seems quite > happy, having captured and forwarded 155 frames while I slumbered... > So one final, please tell me what you think about the tuning (see Well, you can't argue with success! Phil _

[amsat-bb] Re: Life Expectancy ARISat-1

2011-08-07 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/7/11 12:47 AM, Jeff Yanko wrote: > If anything, maybe this calls for another Chicken Little Contest to see > who can come the closest to predicting re-entry. Absolutely! As an old friend of mine used to say about his favorite game of backgammon, this will require a combination of luck and sk

[amsat-bb] Re: Life Expectancy ARISat-1

2011-08-07 Thread Phil Karn
I note that, lifetime-wise, this deployment delay has actually left us much better off. The ISS had some big reboosts in June and is now at an altitude of about 387 km. Had we been deployed in February as originally scheduled, the ISS would have been at an altitude of only about 352 km. 73, Phil

[amsat-bb] Re: Life Expectancy ARISat-1

2011-08-07 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/6/11 8:55 PM, James wrote: > > Thank you for your informative contribution.. > > Anyone with a real answer? Well, an educated guess can be made by looking at a plot of ISS altitude vs time: http://www.heavens-above.com/IssHeight.aspx The ISS is periodically reboosted, accounting for the s

[amsat-bb] Re: Anyone using an FT-847 and SignaLink USB to copy ARISSat-1 BPSK telemetry?

2011-08-06 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/6/11 6:09 AM, Alan P. Biddle wrote: > Hi, > > > made/purchased, due to the numerous running production mods. There have been > a few reports of people being unable to "print" the BPSK telemetry, even > though the signal is good, and the CW decodes well. > I just thought of another possibil

[amsat-bb] Re: Transponder

2011-08-06 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/6/11 8:23 AM, George Henry wrote: > It doesn't appear that the satellite has any active or passive attitude > control > system. Correct. > I have heard that the spin should eventually settle around the same > axis as the antenna, but is there any reasonable hope that that would happen >

[amsat-bb] Re: ARISSatTLM

2011-08-06 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/6/11 9:31 AM, N0JY wrote: > I'm having trouble getting telemetry. Jerry, is this a night-side pass with the satellite in low power mode? The coding is not optimal for a signal that's present only a small fraction of the time, as it takes 16.384 sec at AOS to "fill the pipe" in the de-interlea

[amsat-bb] Re: New Keps

2011-08-06 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/6/11 9:54 AM, Nigel A. Gunn, W8IFF/G8IFF wrote: > JUNO > 1 37773U 11040A 11217.69136966 +.2254 -71274-5 +0-0 0 00015 > 2 37773 028.7890 020.5966 0025801 264.4436 221.8704 16.2621444202 These elements don't make sense. This object is in a low circular orbit, while Juno is on an

[amsat-bb] Re: [sarex] Re: Re: ARRISat-1 Keps now available from Celestrak

2011-08-05 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/5/11 2:33 PM, Ted wrote: > Americans built it. They should have the naming rights. > > Just because some Russians threw it off their space ship does not give them > the right to name it (it just gives them the right to break it!) Americans built the spacecraft BUS. That's most of the space

[amsat-bb] Re: [sarex] Re: Re: ARRISat-1 Keps now available from Celestrak

2011-08-05 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/5/11 2:14 PM, Nigel A. Gunn, W8IFF/G8IFF wrote: > As many have said before. > Perhaps we should get away from the American system of allocating Oscar > numbers and use the real world name that the builders and launch > agencies use. It's longstanding tradition to give a spacecraft a pre-lau

[amsat-bb] Re: Arissat-1 Commanding?

2011-08-05 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/5/11 11:03 AM, Burns Fisher wrote: > I saw on one of the NASA announcements that the snarffled 70cm antenna would > mean no commanding of the bird. (This was probably before it was realized > that that receive actually seems to work). But the question I have is > whether there IS some comman

[amsat-bb] Re: ARISSat-1 over West Malaysia

2011-08-05 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/4/11 8:04 PM, Sion Chow Q. C. (9W2QC) wrote: > > 2. Does the CW beacon needs to be really +/- 100 Hz of the yellow > line? The reason for this is that I would like to see how much offset > should I apply to doppler control, for possible automated reception. Tuning the CW beacon to 500 Hz

[amsat-bb] Re: a little perspective

2011-08-04 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/3/11 8:21 PM, Jim Jerzycke wrote: > At least AO-40 had a usable life for some. This thing is just another > squawk box in space, like all the "student" satellites that are using > the Amateur Radio frequencies for a free downlink. Jim, With the successful transponder tests it would seem t

[amsat-bb] Re: Russia Today reports Kedr deployment

2011-08-04 Thread Phil Karn
On 8/4/11 11:02 AM, George Henry wrote: > > > Correction: I don't recall the celebration of Gagarin's flight ever being a > SIGNIFICANT part of ARISSat-1's mission... Although Gagarin's flight was undertaken at a time of intense and heated competition with the United States, it was still a sig

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