On 12/28/2011 09:43 PM, Emily Reyn wrote:
> AlrightI might buy most of this.I am "taken in" by you...you have
> pushed me and I appreciate that. But, while I do understand the concept that
> you might feel the other persons pain after humiliating themwhy choose
> that tactic? It's
know that that was
>> actually your first response when confronted...someone on this forum might
>> beat you to it :)Â
>>
>> "And I will be the first person, if needed to soothe, love, apply medicine
>> Denise."Â
>>
>> >___
On Dec 28, 2011, at 8:13 PM, azgrey wrote:
> Speaking of mad as a March hare.
>
> Just sayin'.
Yeah, I know. I haven't been in the CIA for years, I've been so busy with
Indiana Jones trying to find Q.
ossibly. Â
>> <
>> P.S. Â I might be close on my posts. Â When the post count goes out...what
>> is UT...how do I translate that to Pacific Time?
>>
>>
>>
>> >________________
>> > From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
gt;
> From: Ravi Chivukula
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 10:09 PM
>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi
>Chivukula
>
>
>
>And I will be the first person, if needed t
y
>> > choose that tactic? It's not clear to me how humiliation really serves
>> > anyone except yourself possibly.
>> > <
>> > P.S. I might be close on my posts. When the post count goes out...what is
>> > UT...how do I translate that to Paci
; P.S. I might be close on my posts. When the post count goes out...what is
>> UT...how do I translate that to Pacific Time?
>>
>> From: Ravi Chivukula
>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:
la
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi
> Chivukula
>
>
> And Denise, yes Winner from the perspective of the one who wanted to
> challenge me. Now h
day, December 28, 2011 9:37 PM
>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi
>Chivukula
>
>
>
>And Denise, yes Winner from the perspective of the one who wanted to challenge
>me. Now having humiliated this person, I feel that person's
And Denise, yes Winner from the perspective of the one who wanted to challenge
me. Now having humiliated this person, I feel that person's emotions - hurt,
pain, anger, because they are another part of me, how can I not feel hurt?
But I am able to quickly internalize and transform these emotions
"
Hm..the "winner" huh. Your statement here is a bit convoluted. If
you have no agenda, then why do you have to "win." You make some assumptions
here about "the person who approaches you.".."
Ravi - Approaches with an agenda that is, as in to confront me. Winner only
from their p
;you remain untouched." This is your
reality then?
>
> From: Ravi Chivukula
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 8:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi
>Chivukula
>
>
" Your's/Barry's willingness to define Ravi and Robin with these kinds of
labels on this forum (internet) in such a conclusionary manner is from a
common sense perspective, simply unmitigated arrogance out of control - a
classic symptom of NPD, in case you are interested. "
Dear Denise,
Thank you
I know. I saw that. It doesn't look that way on my screen obviously. Which
is why I attempted to use the **ER start. I'm not even sure my posts are
coming through without the weird characters that show up here in the reply, for
example. 40 characters? Is there a button to push to know when
Yes, I was addressing the "self-reflection" issue indirectly I guess, as he did
respond to me directly. Barry does have a playful demeanor at times and I
appreciate his posts and the comics and the communiques - I really do. I
simply disagree with his approach here, but I do hear what he is sa
Are you trying to ruin my afternoon, here? It's already pouring rain. I'm
just trying to help the guy out with an alternate perspective - not one more or
less valid than his. I have zero expectations of him - its his choice, after
all.
>
> From: seventhray1
Alrighty, I tried my hand at interspersing my responses...
>
> From: turquoiseb
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:31 AM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi
>Chivukula
>
>
>
>--- In
On Dec 28, 2011, at 6:11 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
What I see is the same pattern that was established and
legally censured in Iowa courts -- a disconnect with reality
that involves becoming highly obsessed with people who don't
react to him the way he wants them to, and devolves into
being abusive
On Dec 28, 2011, at 12:48 AM, maskedzebra wrote:
> What you have declared in this post makes me out to be a liar. Am I a liar,
> Steve?
No, but you're still walking around with that boogar on your face.
I'm sorry Barry. I may have this wrong...I thought I was referring to a
conversation between you and Zarzari, not Vag. I can tell the difference
between you and Vag - I didn't pull up the whole thread of you and Zarzari and
perhaps it had been snipped in error. I haven't appreciated all the
SNIP
<"Or simply common sense.">
Zarzari, I wanted to submit this for an Unintended Irony Award, but I see you
already won first prize this year with the "love-bomb" post(s) and also, that
one with pictures really was in top form. I am curious if you are aware of
why that post fell completel
group of people.
>
> From: Vaj
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 4:10 PM
>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi
>Chivukula
>
>
>
>
>
>On Dec 27, 2011, at 6:47 PM, maskedzebra wrote
On Dec 27, 2011, at 8:41 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
> I do have one question, Vaj, if you're listening. You are on record saying
> that you were not allowed to attend MIU by your parents. But evidently you
> were in Fairfield to witness certain events in RWC saga. Do I have this
> right? Than
On Dec 27, 2011, at 7:43 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
> > It is worth noting that most of the people discussing
> > these supposed higher states of consciousness that some
> > on this forum claim to have had are doing so completely
> > from a theoretical basis. They have personally never
> > had such e
On Dec 27, 2011, at 6:47 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
> But I couldn't help acting when I saw the post to which this is a response.
Well, look who fell for the bait.
On Dec 27, 2011, at 5:09 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > Vaj: And I wonder how many present day psychologists she inspired? Perhaps
> > many. IMO, Dr. Norah Carlsen, Ph.D. is the more interesting story I'd like
> > to hear. My
On Dec 27, 2011, at 2:14 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
Vaj: There's more evidence to suggest this, as a common 'bragging
claim' of Carlsen followers was the fact that he wrote "The
Discovery of Grace" with commentary (I believe, or one of his
tomes) by staying up all night and simply dictating it
Actually, she did give me the time of day
>Alas, we never met. But a relative did send me the family tree.
***BP:
Your VAGUENESS,
Like I said:
vague |vāg|
adjective
of uncertain, indefinite, or unclear character or meaning : many patie
On Dec 27, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Bob Price wrote:
From: Vaj
>>>Actually, she did give me the time of day
***BP: Now we're getting somewhere, Dr. Carlsen treated you and
Barry for your Oedipus complex.
Alas, we never met. But a relative did send me the
From: Vaj
>>>Actually, she did give me the time of day
***BP: Now we're getting somewhere, Dr. Carlsen treated you and Barry for your
Oedipus complex.
Vague,
Don't ever let anyone tell you you're not terminally unique, I am absolutely
convinced you're
On Dec 27, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Bob Price wrote:
And what about my accusation that you're "pond scum"?
Pretty hard in the winter Boob.
And what about my accusation that you're "pond scum"?
From: Vaj
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 10:44:28 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi
Chivukula
Hey Bo
Hey Boob:
On Dec 27, 2011, at 1:40 PM, Bob Price wrote:
Vague,
You and Barry give new meaning to the epithet "Pond Scum", first
you go after Robin's ex-wife, speculating on their love life, and
now its his mother (neither of whom would give either of you the
time of day---opps, I guess t
nt.: from French, or from Latin vagus ‘wandering, uncertain.’
From: Vaj
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:09:43 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi
Chivukula
On Dec
On Dec 26, 2011, at 7:12 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786
wrote:
>
> According to Maharishi and according to tradition this
> [losing Unity Consciousness] is not possible. In this
> case it wasn't fully established.
Either that or it never happened in
On Dec 26, 2011, at 5:31 PM, zarzari_786 wrote:
Maharishi had a word for this, for people slipping into Brahman (or
so) and not being really grounded: Moody Brahman
Yeah, I remember him, didn't he play the sax?
On 12/26/2011 02:31 PM, zarzari_786 wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
>> On 12/26/2011 04:12 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 wrote:
According to Maharishi and according to tradition this
[losing Unity Consciousnes
This stuff in unbelievable. Taken in? The assumptions in these statements
demonstrates true psychic ability on this forum...
>
> From: authfriend
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 3:52 PM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND
On 12/26/2011 11:30 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
>> On 12/26/2011 04:12 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 wrote:
According to Maharishi and according to tradition this
[losing Unity Consciousness
On 12/26/2011 04:12 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 wrote:
>> According to Maharishi and according to tradition this
>> [losing Unity Consciousness] is not possible. In this
>> case it wasn't fully established.
> Either that or it never happened in the fir
On Dec 24, 2011, at 9:41 PM, feste37 wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 wrote:
>
> > And for the TMers here? Ravi exemplifies a teacher figure that is sorely
> > missing in the TM movement since the demise of MMY. Ravi is what the TMers
> > would have expected from Nad
Girl or boy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfkGocmCiE&feature=related
>
> From: obbajeeba
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 2:32 PM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi
>Chivukula
>
>
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 22, 2011, at 9:02 AM, zarzari_786 wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra wrote:
>
> > When Judy doesn't get the irony, that means I'm getting too
> > transcendentally ironic.
>
> I am sure, Robin, that Judy knows about irony and it's uses here. Sh
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 22, 2011, at 8:34 AM, zarzari_786 wrote:
> We know now, that we can rely on your account in the full sense, only we have
> to be able to read it with our own inner being. I write this from my own
> inner being, and I know, dear Vaj Ji, that you also know this, and I am
I checked mine...just wasn't sure why you brought up my name as "hijaking" the
thread...I responded to a few post, including yours, but it's been all over the
place, split apart, and has headed in many directions.
It would be easier overall if people switch topics and subject lines
simultaneous
Check your sent messagesthis thread has evolved in many directions,
including one that you chimed in on that has absolutely nada to do with the
original letter written by Robin.
>
> From: emptybill
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Thursday, Dece
On 12/22/2011 02:32 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
>> On 12/22/2011 01:17 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
I was hoping that "Enlightened" might be FFL on TV which
would make for either a grea
On 12/22/2011 01:17 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
>> I was hoping that "Enlightened" might be FFL on TV which
>> would make for either a great comedy or an insane thriller.
>> But that didn't happen.
> Have no fear. Watch "Salvation Boulevard" instea
The actors and crew said they all learned a lot from the French
production crew. Zoe got weapons training from the trainer of the Los
Angeles SWAT team. I had no qualm overall with the production values
just the writing and direction. It sorta reminded me of a 1990s type
thriller though it w
On 12/20/2011 10:13 AM, Emily Reyn wrote:
> I saw Columbiana...it might be O.K. as a "wind down" movie where you don't
> have to think too much, but except for watching Zoe Saldana in action...the
> plot, which shows promise at the beginning, doesn't deliver and requires
> great leaps of faith,
On Dec 21, 2011, at 8:19 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> The deal is, Vajihad, you have not exactly been forthcoming about your TM
> experience, dodging and weaving for years. Then Robin joins FFL, and all of
> your nastiness, your impotence, and your arrogance that you used to delight
> spraying abou
On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:33 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> otherwise you just sound like a shit head.
Yeah, so maybe my chaktras aren't aligned.
On Dec 21, 2011, at 5:58 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> There was also a rumor going around that you kick dogs and mug old ladies.
> Any truth to that, Vajihad?
None, Rim-job Jim.
On Dec 21, 2011, at 3:39 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
> But thanks. Yeah, Catholicism is not for me; Jesus either. But the goddamn
> thing is: *they would have been* had I lived before the Second World War.
Let me guess, living the existential life-style?
What was that book your uncle gave you?
I
Dear Jason:
"None of us here in the forum" is quite presumptuous on your part; consider
speaking only for yourself.
>From what I've noticed on this forum - everyone is quite capable of
>communicating their own positions; assumptions that one forum member may make
>about another usually spurs
Weil did not limit her curiosity to Christianity. She was keenly interested in
other religious traditions—especially
the Greek and Egyptian mysteries, Hinduism (especially the Upanishadsand the
Bhagavad Gita), and Mahayana Buddhism. She believed that all these and other
traditions contained ele
On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:02 PM, zarzari_786 wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
>
> > What did Vaj really do on TTC? Where? When? How?
>
> You could at least reveal to us your age of enlightenment number. Each
> teacher has an enlightenment number .Don't you know? Why d
On Dec 20, 2011, at 5:38 PM, emptybill wrote:
> Nice laudation of Robin. However, you overlook his proclivity to construct
> his replies so that he only addresses his own notions. That is, if he answers
> at all. This is the definition of a monologue.
>
> In this way, Robin has become the reve
beginning, doesn't deliver and requires
> great leaps of faith, IMO.
>
>
>
>>
>> From: Bhairitu
>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 9:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SEC
..the plot,
which shows promise at the beginning, doesn't deliver and requires great leaps
of faith, IMO.
>
> From: Bhairitu
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 9:20 AM
>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: S
On 12/20/2011 01:03 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote:
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
>> wrote:
People will draw their own conclusion about what m
On Dec 19, 2011, at 7:18 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
> TM transformed me. Maharishi created an experience in me that told me he was
> the embodiment of the highest truth. The romance I refer to is the romance
> that Saint Francis of Assisi (not comparing me to him, of course) had for
> Christ. Maha
On Dec 19, 2011, at 5:41 PM, zarzari_786 wrote:
> I had love for Maharishi, I had devotion and worked for him, I did what he,
> or the movement told me at the time. And I think I can rightly say, you don't
> need to teach me about intense bhakti. But what he is doing is romantizising,
> that's
On Dec 19, 2011, at 6:09 AM, zarzari_786 wrote:
> When we are in unity, aren't we supposed to be everyone? (Not just stones
> BlueIce, even those statues of Govinda)
In Vajrayana Unity is seem differently than in Advaita Vedanta - it's the
nonconventional experience of the unity of the three m
On Dec 18, 2011, at 7:29 PM, zarzari_786 wrote:
> I find several points -on TM - where I agree with him, and he exhibits
> knowledge, obviously others are missing out.
What points would those be?
On Dec 18, 2011, at 7:29 PM, zarzari_786 wrote:
> since there are so many TM teachers on this board, nay even 'enlightened'
> ones, of what importance is it, that Vaj did TM or not? We have enough
> information about TM right?
When a major disruption comes up, like the recent national airing
On Dec 18, 2011, at 5:37 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > So Steve, that's three highly iffy statements from Vaj in
> > a single brief post. Typical, in my observation.
> >
> Well thanks. That's pretty good work. The part I found odd was th
On Dec 18, 2011, at 5:11 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
> Thanks for the reply Vaj, has you have always replied when I have brought up
> a question in a sincere fashion.
Well please keep in mind I don't always read all posts, so don't take it
personally if I do not. It probably just means I'm busy doi
On Dec 18, 2011, at 11:44 AM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> Are your parents still furious with you for trying TM? Sounds like it...
They were never "furious" in the first place. They gave their opinions only
when asked and let me do as I pleased.
They would not allow me to go to MIU though, a fact I o
On Dec 18, 2011, at 10:24 AM, seventhray1 wrote:
> If I were on a jury, and had to make a determination based on the evidence I
> have heard over my time on FFL, I would say that IMO the evidence is
> irrefutable (or at least beyond a reasonable doubt) that Vaj was a very
> active participant
You really missed the mark again Robin - you're not even close to the truth.
What's up with that? How can you so consistently hit the mark. Do you have a
straw man fetish or something?
On Dec 18, 2011, at 12:32 AM, maskedzebra wrote:
> 1. You never seek to address the essence of what someone sa
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 17, 2011, at 7:24 PM, "emptybill" wrote:
> So now you are Vag, the critiquer of Christian contemplation – knower of
> what's authentic and what is not. How illuminating of you.
>
>
>
> So where did you arrive at direct experience of Christian contemplation?
>
>
On Dec 17, 2011, at 7:06 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
> RESPONSE III: That a perfection is present in the human mind, too high to be
> explained by anything less than the supernatural, is man's nobility.
> Irrational creatures are impotent here. It does not follow that the highest
> human perfection
On Dec 17, 2011, at 7:02 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
> RESPONSE II: Not every love has the quality of friendship. In the first place
> it is reserved to that love for another which wills his well-being. When what
> we will is not the other's good for his sake, but the desire of it as it
> affects u
On Dec 17, 2011, at 6:40 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
> RESPONSE: Not merely learning about divine things but also experiencing
> them—that does not come from mere intellectual acquaintance with the terms of
> scientific theology, but from loving the things of God and cleaving to them
> by affection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqkwu5W8E3M&feature=related
>
> From: maskedzebra
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 2:19 PM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: SECOND Open [non-performance] Letter to Ravi
>Chivukula
>
>
>
>
>
>-
r family as well.
Have you seen this silent
movie? I haven't, but will.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1655442/
>
> From: Bob Price
>To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
>Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 9:28 AM
>Subject: Re: [Fai
On Dec 17, 2011, at 3:01 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
> One thing (you wouldn't know about this personally) about TM and Maharishi:
> it makes you contemptuous and patronizing when it comes to discussing
> Christianity.
Well, unfortunately for you, you've probably lost the best conduit to speak
dee
From: turquoiseb
Much more eloquent than my simple "Whatever," while conveying the same
sentiment.
But it led to you creating and
posting the perfect metaphor for what it's like to deal with this shit,
so the virus may have been dharmic.
On 12/17/2011 11:08 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>> wrote:
>>> After spending over an hour responding to your responses last
>>> night I was attacked by a virus which has now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeShHAZk3to
Barry,
Sorry to sneak up on you like this, I don't mean to startle
you; I'd hate to see you react with one of those martial art moves and hurt the
waitress in your coffee shop.
I know, I know, I'm supposed to be in purgatory; I've been
given a day
On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:25 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
I am so tempted to appear on BatGap though; and that would suffice
for the video you are seeking.
Yes, I hope you're able to make the cut. I often wondered why you
hadn't appeared, but I understand Rick has quite a backlog of
interviewees.
Bravo Robindra! You get the Histrionic Personality award for 2011!
Lady Gaga will be playing in your honor (it's actually a gay guy in
drag, but hey, I couldn't tell the difference).
Mhrvelous darling, simply marvelous. I do wish you'd place a
rotating video of your visage on YouTube so
God is a concept
by which we measure
our pain.
John Lennon
On Dec 12, 2011, at 10:55 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
Life can educate one to belief in God. And experiences too are what
bring this about; but I don't mean visions and other forms of sense
experience which show us the 'existence of this
Hey Robin,
Try to have some respect for what Ravi's going through. If you honestly care,
you'll realize things like this are best discussed off list.
This isn't a public laundromat.
On Dec 12, 2011, at 9:59 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
> Hey, Vaj: Would you consider telling me what your diagnosis
Dear Robindranath:
On Dec 12, 2011, at 6:18 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
> Dear Vaj,
>
> Your fantasizing, I see, extends even into the living moment. Take for
> instance, your comments here. You have provided no personal, experiential,
> even intellectually believed evidence for one to assume you h
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