Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

In , on 12/05/2013 at 11:04 AM, John McKown said: >Thanks. I am not any kind of expert, but the "otelnetd" UNIX >daemon that I mentioned in a previous post in this thread >_seems to me_ to implement this fairly well. I suspect that Telnet NVT support is required for POSIX and Unix certifica

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

Wayne Yes sir right on the money Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' > On Dec 6, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > > *d'accord* > > >> On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 12:55 AM, John Gilmore wrote: >> >> Google aside, 'ça' has two m

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

*d'accord* On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 12:55 AM, John Gilmore wrote: > Google aside, 'ça' has two meanings: > > o It is an abbreviation of 'cela', a demonstrative pronoun, as in > 'C'est ça!', That's right! . > > o It is also an adverb, 'here' or 'hither', as in 'ça et la', here and > there. > > As

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

Google aside, 'ça' has two meanings: o It is an abbreviation of 'cela', a demonstrative pronoun, as in 'C'est ça!', That's right! . o It is also an adverb, 'here' or 'hither', as in 'ça et la', here and there. As Paul Gilmartin all but said, it is always written/printed as 'ça'. If it were writt

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

Gil, Your correct it's an idiom..slang...more or less...in 3 yrs in Switzerland I learned I needed a better accent to speak French and Swiss German and don't ask for items in French in a Swiss German canton or State..it ain't pretty Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdo

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

Tony Harminc wrote: >Unfortunately that takes me to https://www.google.ca, which doesn't >seem to have a "search tools" choice. I can force Google to go to the >.com (i.e. US) site, but it's still HTTPS, and it still has no search >tools that I can see. And merely quoting a phrase doesn't (contrary

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 07:34:48 +1100, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: >Literal translation would be "that goes", ca va is a shortened "comment ca >va", ie how goes it(that)?. OK would be ca va bien. Without bien it's >meaningless in the context. Bien would be the OK piece, ie fine > Think "idiom". Firs

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

Yep..but on Switzerland French shall we say interesting like the Swiss German Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' > On Dec 5, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > > Literal translation would be "that goes", ca va is a shortened "commen

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

Literal translation would be "that goes", ca va is a shortened "comment ca va", ie how goes it(that)?. OK would be ca va bien. Without bien it's meaningless in the context. Bien would be the OK piece, ie fine On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Scott Ford wrote: > Hey zMan, > > I entered 'ca v

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) < shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net> wrote: > In > , > on 12/04/2013 >at 11:09 AM, John McKown said: > > >NVT? > > See TELNET PROTOCOL SPECIFICATION, RFC 854. > Thanks. I am not any kind of expert, but the "otelnetd" UNIX daemon that I menti

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

In , on 12/04/2013 at 07:46 AM, Phil Smith said: >Well, common sense would suggest >www.google.com. Common sense is frequently wrong. >Try that. BTDT,GTS -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

In , on 12/04/2013 at 11:09 AM, John McKown said: >NVT? See TELNET PROTOCOL SPECIFICATION, RFC 854. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Sh

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

In , on 12/04/2013 at 10:09 AM, John Gilmore said: >We're not dealing with what Google wishes to "honor", Of course we are. >We're dealing with the problem of resolving semantic ambiguity, No. We're dealing with a web page that has labels that do not correspond with what the search engine

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

On 4 December 2013 19:33, Tony Harminc wrote: >> Well, common sense would suggest www.google.com. Try >> that. > > Unfortunately that takes me to https://www.google.ca, which doesn't > seem to have a "search tools" choice. I can force Google to go to the > .com (i.e. US) si

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

On 4 December 2013 10:46, Phil Smith wrote: > > Well, common sense would suggest www.google.com. Try > that. Unfortunately that takes me to https://www.google.ca, which doesn't seem to have a "search tools" choice. I can force Google to go to the .com (i.e. US) site, but i

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

Hey zMan, I entered 'ca va' in French comes bac as 'okay' which is correct, I lived in Europe and spoke French. Very impressive converting languages Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' > On Dec 4, 2013, at 6:09 PM, zMan wrote: > > Or go to

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

Or go to Google Translate (translate.google.com). It even handles transliterations quite well: put in "spasebo" and tell it's Russian; it will say: Did you mean: спасебо and then you can translate *that*. I've even had it guess when the transliteration wasn't quite right, and get it right (I conclu

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: > My pet peeve is - when I search a word in a language, not English, then > Google is useless. Try using http://www.google.fr for french words? (use a country suffix where that lanquage is used). -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA W

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ERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:16:18 AM Subject: Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers My pet peeve is - when I search a word in a language, not English, then Google is useless. --

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

On Wed, 4 Dec 2013 10:09:08 -0500, John Gilmore wrote: > >We're not dealing with what Google wishes to "honor", We're dealing >with the problem of resolving semantic ambiguity, which humans are >extraordinarily good at and even ther best AI methods cannot reaslly >cope with. > Watson? But how w

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) < shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net> wrote: > In > , > on 12/03/2013 >at 06:53 PM, Mike Schwab said: > > >My thought. While you are typing a command with a partial Unix file > >name, leave the cursor at the end of the file name and press a P

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: >What URL? I normally use >. Or are you referring to >a google browser plugin rather than their web site? Well, common sense would suggest www.google.com. Try that. ...phsiii

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

. . . previous post continued [q]ueries and the placement of advertisements. Yesterday we had a discussion of the LE HEAPCHECK facilitiy. Googling it this morning yielded advertisements for cheap personalized bank checks. Given the current state of the art exclusion oif notional irrelevance is

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

Tony Harminc said: >But for that matter, even Google insists on searching for things vaguely close >to what I asked for, rather then the actual thing. Indeed. I sometimes had to use advanced searches, but you need to search (sic) for that picture of a gear (options), where you can then search (s

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

In , on 12/03/2013 at 04:48 PM, Phil Smith said: >Re Google: What URL? I normally use . Or are you referring to a google browser plugin rather than their web site? >use "verbatim" search. Look under "Search tools", Do you mean "search"? I don't s

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|| But for that matter, even Google insists on searching for things || vaguely close to what I asked for, rather then the actual thing. | I don't recall google ever honoring a request for an exact match. We're not dealing with what Google wishes to "honor", We're dealing with the problem of reso

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

In , on 12/03/2013 at 06:53 PM, Mike Schwab said: >My thought. While you are typing a command with a partial Unix file >name, leave the cursor at the end of the file name and press a PF >key. Various *ix shells have file completion. Is there an open requirement for IBM to support it for an N

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

In , on 12/03/2013 at 07:00 PM, Tony Harminc said: >But for that matter, even Google insists on searching for things >vaguely close to what I asked for, rather then the actual thing. I don't recall google ever honoring a request for an exact match. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysPro

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

Mike, I like that solution, very nice . Love time savers ...especially when your up to your ...in alligators Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' > On Dec 3, 2013, at 7:53 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: > > My thought. While you are typing a comman

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: > My thought. While you are typing a command with a partial Unix file > name, leave the cursor at the end of the file name and press a PF key. > The routine would open a popup window with a list of possible > matches. You could select a option

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My thought. While you are typing a command with a partial Unix file name, leave the cursor at the end of the file name and press a PF key. The routine would open a popup window with a list of possible matches. You could select a option by tabbing to the line with the desired match and pressing e

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On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Tony Harminc mailto:t...@harminc.net>> wrote: >I don't know about OS X, but recent version of Windows have seriousl >"dumbed down" the search interface to the point that it's almost >impossible to distinguish between file names and approximate strings >inside the fi

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

Tony, Sloppy coding at google ? Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' > On Dec 3, 2013, at 7:00 PM, Tony Harminc wrote: > >> On 2 December 2013 14:02, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >> On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:30:29 -0600, Eric Chevalier wrote: > [...] >

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

On 2 December 2013 14:02, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:30:29 -0600, Eric Chevalier wrote: [...] >>Now suppose I have some sort of index file where the key is the >>unqualified file name and the data is the path to that file. I can >>search the index for my file name and it should

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

In , on 12/02/2013 at 02:48 PM, John Gilmore said: >Worth noting, and not at all to clear from, indeed antiothetical >to, the title of this thread is that we are now addressing a >deficiency of UNIX, not one of the MVS side of z/OS. The issue exists in both, in slightly different form. In n

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

In <529cd1c5.9030...@tulsagrammer.com>, on 12/02/2013 at 12:30 PM, Eric Chevalier said: >I believe the issue some people are trying to address with a Unix >catalog is the case where you DON'T know the full path. A central repository won't solve that problem. >I know it's called "stroganoff.

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

On 03.12.2013 07:13, David Crayford wrote: On 3/12/2013 4:16 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote: I would guess that the tricky part would be replacing the interface to "inotify" with w_ioctl / Iocc#regFileInt I could be wrong but it looks like Iocc#regFileInt doesn't support monitoring directories, which

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

On 3/12/2013 4:16 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote: I would guess that the tricky part would be replacing the interface to "inotify" with w_ioctl / Iocc#regFileInt I could be wrong but it looks like Iocc#regFileInt doesn't support monitoring directories, which diminishes it's value. A port of inotify fo

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Kirk, Absolutely, that would be a great , interesting conversion to z/OS Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' > On Dec 2, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Kirk Wolf wrote: > > A list of "desktop search engines" (which actually have little to do with > deskt

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A list of "desktop search engines" (which actually have little to do with desktops) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_search_engines#Desktop_search_engines Something like Recoil / Xapian could probably be ported to z/OS. I would guess that the tricky part would be replacing the interface to

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Worth noting, and not at all to clear from, indeed antiothetical to, the title of this thread is that we are now addressing a deficiency of UNIX, not one of the MVS side of z/OS. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-M

Re: Catalog system for Unix Was: Re: z/OS is antique WAS: Aging Sysprogs = Aging Farmers

On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:30:29 -0600, Eric Chevalier wrote: > >I believe the issue some people are trying to address with a Unix >catalog is the case where you DON'T know the full path. ... > >Now suppose I have some sort of index file where the key is the >unqualified file name and the data is the pa