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Here's Pimentel's paper: Ethanol Production Using Corn, Switchgrass, and Wood; Biodiesel Production Using Soybean and Sunflower David Pimentel and Tad W. Patzek Natural Resources Research, Vol. 14, No. 1, March 2005 (C 2005) http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/Pimentel-Tadzek.pdf News

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ver the tv, it was the hottest fad in living forever, now it is top shelf in the back. This just came to mind when you mentioned the diseases. Ryan - Original Message - From: "r" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pimen

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lf in the back. This just came to mind when you mentioned the diseases. Ryan - Original Message - From: "r" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again If we assume that the human body knows what it needs

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Regarding use of "human manure," it's my understanding that sewage sludge may be used in the US as a soil treatment for non-human-edible crops, and in fact that a good bit of it is recycled that way.  (See "Garbage Land -- On the Secret Trail of Trash, by Elizabeth Royte)   I, like a number

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Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again If we assume that the human body knows what it needs, then if human milk is the most appropriate to feed humans, how come we are drinking cow milk instead of human milk? How about industrialized human milk producti

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r wrote: If we assume that the human body knows what it needs, then if human milk is the most appropriate to feed humans, how come we are drinking cow milk instead of human milk? How about industrialized human milk production? That should help to cure/prevent a fair amount of diseases prev

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If we assume that the human body knows what it needs, then if human milk is the most appropriate to feed humans, how come we are drinking cow milk instead of human milk? How about industrialized human milk production? That should help to cure/prevent a fair amount of diseases prevalent in ou

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Ken Dunn - CountyEarth.com wrote: Why do you object to milk production? Or is it, again, that you're objecting to industrialised milk production? I wouldn't say that I object to milk production at all, I am questioning the sustainability of the practice and also the nutritional value to h

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Keith said: >> I suppose you could feed it to pigs if there's some pressing reason not to sell it, >> but the rational thing to do is to sell it, or you risk cutting the profitability of a >> major segment of the farm to perhaps below economic levels. It's the sustainability >> aspects that wi

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Hello Ken Keith Addison wrote: You'll find societies that ate mostly vegetables and not much meat, and others that ate mostly meat and very little vegetables or grain, but none that only ate vegetables and grains and no meat. Again, I don't think that I suggested that anyone else should eat

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Keith Addison wrote: You'll find societies that ate mostly vegetables and not much meat, and others that ate mostly meat and very little vegetables or grain, but none that only ate vegetables and grains and no meat. Again, I don't think that I suggested that anyone else should eat only vege

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hi, keith. In a message dated 7/8/05 2:22:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << >todd, <<> <<>you make an excellent point. i still remember how stunned i was when i first <<>heard how much feed/grain/meal goes into each unit of meat purchased at the <<>supermarket. < http://sustainablelists.org/m

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d to go to a local farmer specifically, or can I buy it in stores? Thanks, Ryan - Original Message - From: "Garth & Kim Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:44 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again Greetings, If I may chime in h

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Ryan said: > Would I need to go to a local farmer specifically, or can I buy it > in stores? You can check this out. I stumbled across it earlier. http://www.eatwild.com/products/index.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http:/

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Greetings Robert, I do happen to know personally the people who have a legal raw milk dairy in Texas and their cows are 100% grass fed. If your grass is up to snuff, then there is no difference. What I have found is that it takes more time and energy and a real learning curve to keep pasture

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> several clients who own dairy farms, and these people insist that dairy cows must be fed some grain in order to produce high quality milk. Not having any experience in this area, I have nothing to say in response.< Most modern high yield milkers need some food/mineral supplements, normally f

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tastes so good though. Would I need to go to a local farmer specifically, or can I buy it in stores? Thanks, Ryan - Original Message - From: "Garth & Kim Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:44 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it agai

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Garth & Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, If I may chime in here, Please, once you discover the horrors that the agribusiness way of raising animals is causing, buy 100% strictly grass fed meat. I have a question I'd like to pose to those of you who are growing grass fed cattle. What happens

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IL PROTECTED]> > To: ; "Garth & Kim Travis" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again > > > > Kim > > > If more people bought our meat, then our processing costs could come

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m.com - Original Message - From: "Ken Dunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; "Garth & Kim Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again > Kim > > If more people bought our meat, the

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Kim > If more people bought our meat, then our processing costs could come > down and we can become more affordable, but only the consumer can make this > happen. Deciding not to eat meat as an answer to agribusiness, just puts > many sustainable farmers out of business, which is what the agrib

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Greetings, If I may chime in here, Please, once you discover the horrors that the agribusiness way of raising animals is causing, buy 100% strictly grass fed meat. For those of us that are fighting to build markets for our grass fed meat, this would really help. The agribusiness guys are havi

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todd, you make an excellent point. i still remember how stunned i was when i first heard how much feed/grain/meal goes into each unit of meat purchased at the supermarket. And none of it necessary, nor of any benefit compared with good pasture. Cows thrive on grass, not on feed/grain/meal, wh

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Hi Ken I am pretty sure that our thinkings on these issues are fairly well in line with one another. I think so too. Sorry If I've been putting you on the defensive, but IMO it's important to get it right, especially in the details. I'm not always quoting you directly, as with this, from pre

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todd, you make an excellent point. i still remember how stunned i was when i first heard how much feed/grain/meal goes into each unit of meat purchased at the supermarket. also, i understand there are aspects of chemistry involved which limit this to some degree (especially when it comes to c

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Ken, For the record, I never said that milk was bad either, only that Americans in general consume entirely too much of it. Ultimately, this is a decision for the person making it, not me.. But won't milk make us big and strong so that we can save the world and fight terrorism and become invi

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Keith, Along with active and informed opposition to factory farming, industrialised farming and the food industry, that might be more effective than just condemning meat and meat-eaters. "Meat is bad" vs "Do you know where that meat you're eating comes from?" That particular meat. First, I

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Hakan This is a good point, remember Rómulo and Remo!!! Sven ___ Mecánica Agrícola Fac. Cs. Agrarias - UNCuyo e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://s

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Keith Addison wrote: Blood and milk, and it turns out they eat a lot of herbs and stuff too. Whether better or worse, it sustained them in superb health through many centuries. This was my point! Some people recoil at the idea of eating dairy products, but the evidence often cited falls mo

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Greetings, It is not just the long hiatus that harms our ability to digest milk, but the pasteurization which turns milk into a cooked protein. Raw milk is wonderful. Texas now has legal raw dairies, but the price tag [$8/gal] definitely makes owning your own cow look good. Bright Blessings,

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Hi Robert The Masai drink the blood of their animals. Is that better, or worse? Does it matter? Blood and milk, and it turns out they eat a lot of herbs and stuff too. Whether better or worse, it sustained them in superb health through many centuries. You have to read Nutrition and Phy

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Hello Ken Keith, Your make many points that give me reason for pause. However, I can wait for someone else to do something about the problems that exist or I can do something myself - done! Quite right! Did you see Darryl's sig? "It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will?"

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Perhaps of interest: David Pimentel Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best wishes Keith Hello John Thanks to a post at TDIclub, I discovered that Pimentel has released yet another report on ethanol. Looking at the dates below, he's a month ahead of schedule this year. Y

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Robert, We tolerate milk well, as long as we regularly drink it. If one stop to drink milk for a long period, it is common that the tolerance goes down and often the stomach will react violently against starting again. Often the body develop an allergy against milk products, after a long time

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Ken, There are many samples of orphan babies of one animal, that have been fed and raised by the mother of other different animals. Hakan At 06:15 AM 7/7/2005, you wrote: FWIW - My cat drinks milk from cows. Derek -- Original message -- From: "Ken Dunn - C

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Ken Dunn - CountyEarth.com wrote: A point of interest, though, I don't know of any animal aside from humans that consume the milk of another animal, though, I'm sure there probably is at least one. Can someone name one? I have cats that like goat milk. Dogs will drink just about anythin

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FWIW - My cat drinks milk from cows. Derek -- Original message -- From: "Ken Dunn - CountyEarth.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Keith, > > Your make many points that give me reason for pause. However, I can > wait for someone else to do something about the problems

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Keith, Your make many points that give me reason for pause. However, I can wait for someone else to do something about the problems that exist or I can do something myself - done! The majority of U.S. citizens will continue to eat meat and larger quantities than responsible and probably of

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Hello Ken Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Meat is most certainly a sustainable food source. More than that, > there is no sustainable way to maintain and renew soil fertility for > crop growth without raising animals too. Nature never attempts it, > and Man's attempts are doomed to fa

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fuel@sustainablelists.org; Keith Addison Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Meat is most certainly a sustainable food source. More than that, > there is no sustainable way to maintain and renew soil fertility for > crop growth w

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Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Meat is most certainly a sustainable food source. More than that, > there is no sustainable way to maintain and renew soil fertility for > crop growth without raising animals too. Nature never attempts it, > and Man's attempts are doomed to failure - in

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Hello Ryan A new process developed by the University of Wisconsin was posted on this board a while back (it's in the archives.) The process talks about green diesel and using the entire feedstock instead of just the fatty acids. I don't know the feasability of making this process a commerci

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A new process developed by the University of Wisconsin was posted on this board a while back (it's in the archives.) The process talks about green diesel and using the entire feedstock instead of just the fatty acids. I don't know the feasability of making this process a commercially accepted

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Hello Ken Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Reduce the meat centered diet to one that treats meat as a delicacy rather > than a mainstay and vast acreages could be diverted to liquid fuel > production and cellulosic ethanol production rather than feed meal. Interesting thought (basicall

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Ken Dunn wrote: Interesting thought (basically the same reason that I gave up meat 6 years ago), I am curious how many American meat-eaters would give up the habit if it ever came down having your choice between meat or energy but not both. The problem is not meat, per se, it's the manner i

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Hello John Thanks to a post at TDIclub, I discovered that Pimentel has released yet another report on ethanol. Looking at the dates below, he's a month ahead of schedule this year. You're right John, every year I have to do an update on it at our website: http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_e

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Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Reduce the meat centered diet to one that treats meat as a delicacy rather > than a mainstay and vast acreages could be diverted to liquid fuel > production and cellulosic ethanol production rather than feed meal. Interesting thought (basically the same r

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> All that having been said, Pimental is right that soy > and corn alone cannot replace our petroleum addiction Essentially, soybeans are not grown for their oil value. They're grown for the feed value, whether human destined or livestock. The oil is more a co-product, almost waste product in s

[Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again

Thanks to a post at TDIclub, I discovered that Pimentel has released yet another report on ethanol. Looking at the dates below, he's a month ahead of schedule this year. http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/July05/ethanol.toocostly.ssl.html http://www.news.cornell.edu/Chronicle/03/8.14.03/Pimen