[Biofuel] WVO contaminated with polyester resin

2012-01-22 Thread Mike Erdman
Hi I am new to this list, but have been making my own biodiesel for about three years. I have recently been given about 400 litres of WVO which unfortunately was put into drums that had contained fibreglass resin, I have let this stand for about 3 months and drawn oil from the middle of the d

Re: [Biofuel] WVO

2010-05-13 Thread Keith Addison
Hei Gavin >hei keith, > >thanks for feedback + links, i was introducing our idea to the rest of >the group as well. > >i did read the links, which is why i ask for input about centrifuges >as none of those points are addressed in the video. if centrifuges >dont work well as you say, are they be

Re: [Biofuel] WVO

2010-05-13 Thread Gavin Kalan
hei keith, thanks for feedback + links, i was introducing our idea to the rest of the group as well. i did read the links, which is why i ask for input about centrifuges as none of those points are addressed in the video. if centrifuges dont work well as you say, are they being dishonest? a

Re: [Biofuel] WVO

2010-05-12 Thread Keith Addison
Hei Gavin >hei keith, > >our organization consists of musicians who want to take responsibility >for our energy use - we are interested in any technology that can >power our live sound needs sustainably. Yes I know that, otherwise I wouldn't have ventured an opinion. >wvo biodiesel is a great

Re: [Biofuel] WVO

2010-05-12 Thread Gavin Kalan
hei keith, our organization consists of musicians who want to take responsibility for our energy use - we are interested in any technology that can power our live sound needs sustainably. wvo biodiesel is a great idea in general, but a logistical nightmare for our circumstances: sourcing +

Re: [Biofuel] WVO

2010-05-12 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Gavin >anybody familiar with this centrifuge method? any insight appreciated! > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/video/2010/may/11/ethical-living-diy-big-society > >/g. He has a reason to use a centrifuge - he's mobile, he collects the oil as he travels, there's no time to let it set

[Biofuel] WVO

2010-05-12 Thread Gavin Kalan
anybody familiar with this centrifuge method? any insight appreciated! http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/video/2010/may/11/ethical-living-diy-big-society /g. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in PA, USA

2008-06-24 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Chip Slow response, sorry. >Keith Addison wrote: >>> Keith Addison wrote: > I'm having a hard time finding WVO. I need 500 Gallons per month and > I'm tired of driving around and fighting for oil at every restaurant > within 10 miles. I've found other companies in other st

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in PA, USA

2008-06-20 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Roger Thanks for the reply. >A combination...My F250 Diesel, Oil Heat, My father's F250, and some for >the neighbor's house. Four users then, averaging enough for three people each (who also use too much). >I suppose the 500 Gallons is a winter number - maybe 300 gallons in the >summer t

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in PA, USA

2008-06-20 Thread Chip Mefford
Keith Addison wrote: >> Keith Addison wrote: I'm having a hard time finding WVO. I need 500 Gallons per month and I'm tired of driving around and fighting for oil at every restaurant within 10 miles. I've found other companies in other states that sell and deliver larger q

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in PA, USA

2008-06-19 Thread Steve Moran
: [Biofuel] WVO in PA, USA >Maybe he's working with a group of guys to make it. Maybe he owns a >delivery truck. Maybe he owns a company that has 12 trucks in its >fleet. Maybe he has a hole in his storage tank. Maybe he'll tell us himself. Keith >-Original Message- &

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in PA, USA

2008-06-19 Thread Roger
A combination...My F250 Diesel, Oil Heat, My father's F250, and some for the neighbor's house. I suppose the 500 Gallons is a winter number - maybe 300 gallons in the summer to support the lot of us. I go through about 250 gallons a month myself (in the winter). That's only 1 tank per week in

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in PA, USA

2008-06-19 Thread Keith Addison
ROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf >Of Keith Addison >Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:47 PM >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO in PA, USA > > >>Keith Addison wrote: >>>> I'm having a hard time finding WVO. I n

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in PA, USA

2008-06-19 Thread Steve Moran
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:47 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO in PA, USA >Keith Addison wrote: >>> I'm having a hard time finding WVO. I need 500 Gallons per month and >>> I'm tired of driving around and fighting for oil at e

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in PA, USA

2008-06-19 Thread Keith Addison
>Keith Addison wrote: >>> I'm having a hard time finding WVO. I need 500 Gallons per month and >>> I'm tired of driving around and fighting for oil at every restaurant >>> within 10 miles. I've found other companies in other states that sell >>> and deliver larger quantities but nothing close

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in PA, USA

2008-06-19 Thread Chip Mefford
Keith Addison wrote: >> I'm having a hard time finding WVO. I need 500 Gallons per month and >> I'm tired of driving around and fighting for oil at every restaurant >> within 10 miles. I've found other companies in other states that sell >> and deliver larger quantities but nothing close to home.

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in PA, USA

2008-06-19 Thread Keith Addison
>I'm having a hard time finding WVO. I need 500 Gallons per month and >I'm tired of driving around and fighting for oil at every restaurant >within 10 miles. I've found other companies in other states that sell >and deliver larger quantities but nothing close to home. I'm just >outside of Philad

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in PA, USA

2008-06-19 Thread Chip Mefford
Roger wrote: > I'm having a hard time finding WVO. I need 500 Gallons per month and > I'm tired of driving around and fighting for oil at every restaurant > within 10 miles. I've found other companies in other states that sell > and deliver larger quantities but nothing close to home. I'm jus

[Biofuel] WVO in PA, USA

2008-06-19 Thread Roger
I'm having a hard time finding WVO. I need 500 Gallons per month and I'm tired of driving around and fighting for oil at every restaurant within 10 miles. I've found other companies in other states that sell and deliver larger quantities but nothing close to home. I'm just outside of Philade

Re: [Biofuel] WVO Sludge Disposal - Cross posted

2008-05-27 Thread Thomas Kelly
follow if anyone's interested. With recent discussions about problems acquiring WVO it might be good to be able to use what we previously would have disposed of (???) or turned down. Tom - Original Message -

Re: [Biofuel] WVO Sludge Disposal - Cross posted

2008-05-15 Thread Jason Mier
to compost the sludge product before using it as a fertilizer. > Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:00:26 -0400 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Biofuel] WVO Sludge Disposal - Cross posted > > What are you doing

[Biofuel] WVO Sludge Disposal - Cross posted

2008-05-14 Thread Ken Dunn
What are you doing with your WVO sludge? I know this topics been discussed in the past but, it seems only to a limited degree. I have two needs - the first is long term - how am I going to handle the sludge from my regular use? I use WVO in my car and in my boiler. The second concern is more im

Re: [Biofuel] WVO supplies on the wane?

2008-03-13 Thread Fritz Friesinger
" Labelle Province Restaurant" Fritz - Original Message - From: Olivier Morf To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO supplies on the wane? Hi Keith, Regarding your last paragraph, I c

Re: [Biofuel] WVO supplies on the wane?

2008-03-13 Thread Olivier Morf
> From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: > Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 00:29:07 +0900 > To: > Subject: [Biofuel] WVO supplies on the wane? > > The price of cooking oil went up. > > The supply of WVO from the restaurant we usually get it from went > rig

[Biofuel] WVO supplies on the wane?

2008-03-05 Thread Keith Addison
The price of cooking oil went up. The supply of WVO from the restaurant we usually get it from went right down, from more than enough to much less than enough (though we also have other sources, so no big problem). The FFA content went up, doubling from a titration of 0.8 - 1.2 ml 0.1% NaOH so

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators ; VO ou BD or Blend:Small System MODEL

2008-01-18 Thread keith
Hi Chandan, Pagandai and all >Dear Pannirselvam, > >Thanks for the detailed response. I gather that there is good opportunity >to add to the experimentally established results on castor based biodiesel >and the blends that might work well. I'm right now exploring a tie-up with >one of the govt r

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators ; VO ou BD or Blend:Small System MODEL

2008-01-15 Thread Chandan Haldar
Dear Pannirselvam, Thanks for the detailed response. I gather that there is good opportunity to add to the experimentally established results on castor based biodiesel and the blends that might work well. I'm right now exploring a tie-up with one of the govt research labs and an agricultural uni

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators ; VO ou BD or Blend:Small System MODEL

2008-01-15 Thread Pagandai Pannirselvam
Dear Chandan and all the list member Even though I am in Brazil ,which export the meat very large , I actualy live in the native place of south American Indians, even though I also india from south India as you pointed out , Today the Festival Pongal not only in Tamil nadu state , bu

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators or BD or Blend

2008-01-10 Thread Chandan Haldar
Pannirselvam, Happy New Year to you from India. Good to see your mail after a long time, but I'm quite confused by it. I thought Keith only reported what YOU wrote earlier on 9/25/2006 (regarding mixing ~20% BD and 5-10% ethanol into (fresh/used) VO to reduce viscosity). Could you please specif

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators or BD or Blend

2008-01-10 Thread Pagandai Pannirselvam
Happy new year for all the list members I am Pagandai Pannirselvam from Brazil. Very glad that after some 2 years of my post about blended biofuel , we have now come agian to make the debate. When I wrote about hydrated ethanol is E 96 azeotropic mixture as correctly pointed out by Ke

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators

2008-01-10 Thread Pagandai Pannirselvam
Tom > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:34 AM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators > > > Hello Tom > > >Hello All, > >On 9/25/06 Pagandai Pannirsel

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators

2008-01-08 Thread keith
could recommend to someone wanting a reliable solution. >Best to You, And to you Tom Keith > Tom >- Original Message - >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:34 AM >Subject:

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators

2008-01-07 Thread Thomas Kelly
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators Hello Tom >Hello All, >On 9/25/06 Pagandai Pannirselvan wrote: >>The small co generation of electrical energy based on the bio die

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators

2008-01-07 Thread keith
Hello Tom >Hello All, >On 9/25/06 Pagandai Pannirselvan wrote: >>The small co generation of electrical energy based on the bio diesel can >>make possible the use of pure used vegetable oil and also some e 5 >>porcent hydrated ethanol , making possible to lower the viscosity of used >>ve

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators

2008-01-07 Thread Thomas Kelly
Tom - Original Message - From: "Fritz Friesinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators > Hi Tom, > i have a 100KvA 600V Dieselgenerator with a 140 HP Mitsubishi Engine.The

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators

2008-01-07 Thread Thomas Kelly
Tom, Thanks for the reply. I'll pass on the info Tom - Original Message - From: "Tom Thiel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators > Regarding startin

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators

2008-01-07 Thread Thomas Kelly
icron) to run in a diesel motor? Tom - Original Message - From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators > Seems to me like an engine running an 8 hour

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators

2008-01-07 Thread Fritz Friesinger
Hi Tom, you could have achieved the low startload of havy motors with a Star Delta switch. Fritz - Original Message - From: Tom Thiel To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators

2008-01-06 Thread Tom Thiel
Regarding starting motors in our off-grid woodshop: we treat 1 horsepower motors as intermittent-use, starting and stopping them at will. Larger motors are paired with a 1 horsepower motor to start each machine. After it is up to speed, the main motor is turned on. This system reduces the start

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators

2008-01-06 Thread Fritz Friesinger
: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:01 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators Hello All, On 9/25/06 Pagandai Pannirselvan wrote: >The small co generation of electrical energy based on the bio diesel can >make possible the use of pur

Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators

2008-01-06 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Seems to me like an engine running an 8 hour shift would be ideal for SVO -- you'd have to start it on biodiesel till it got up to operating temperature, then just make sure the incoming SVO is as hot as you can get it -- 180F or higher. The schemes to just thin SVO with biodiesel and ethanol seem

[Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators

2008-01-06 Thread Thomas Kelly
Hello All, On 9/25/06 Pagandai Pannirselvan wrote: >The small co generation of electrical energy based on the bio diesel can >>make possible the use of pure used vegetable oil and also some e 5 >porcent >hydrated ethanol , making possible to lower the viscosity of used >vegetable >oil

Re: [Biofuel] WVO squeeze

2007-12-16 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Original Message - > From: "Doug Younker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 7:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO squeeze > > > >I would really doubt a label on the barrel would deter "dumpster > > divers". The on

Re: [Biofuel] WVO squeeze

2007-12-16 Thread Thomas Kelly
>... by claiming ownership, you would be making yourself liable. Hadn't thought of that. Thanks for the reply, Tom - Original Message - From: "Doug Younker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, Decembe

Re: [Biofuel] WVO squeeze

2007-12-14 Thread Doug Younker
I would really doubt a label on the barrel would deter "dumpster divers". The only down sides I could imagine are; that by claiming ownership, you would be making yourself liable. For example if the oil would happen to leak into the environment for any reason, you may be held responsible for th

[Biofuel] WVO squeeze

2007-12-10 Thread Thomas Kelly
Hello, Is there any down side to placing a small barrel (15 or 30 gal/ ~ 55 or 115L) at restaurants for them to put their WVO in? I ask because I am finding increased "hijacking" of "my" WVO. This despite owners assuring me that they tell anyone who asks for the WVO: "No. We already ha

Re: [Biofuel] WVO contaminated with diesel fuel

2007-03-16 Thread Joe Street
Street<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org<mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:03 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO contaminated with diesel fuel I have been searching the archives with various keywords for a post about

Re: [Biofuel] WVO contaminated with diesel fuel

2007-03-16 Thread fox mulder
IL PROTECTED]> > To: > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org<mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:03 PM > Subject: [Biofuel] WVO contaminated with diesel > fuel > > > I have been searching the archives with various > keywords for a

Re: [Biofuel] WVO contaminated with diesel fuel

2007-03-15 Thread JAMES PHELPS
nt: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:03 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO contaminated with diesel fuel I have been searching the archives with various keywords for a post about what happens when you try to react oil that has a few percent of petroleum diesel in it. I seem to remember the subject

[Biofuel] WVO contaminated with diesel fuel

2007-03-15 Thread Joe Street
I have been searching the archives with various keywords for a post about what happens when you try to react oil that has a few percent of petroleum diesel in it. I seem to remember the subject came up some time back but I cannot find it. Does anyone know what happens in this case? Does the

Re: [Biofuel] WVO damaging paint easy way to correct the problem

2006-09-14 Thread Joe Street
ofuel@sustainablelists.org >Subject: [Biofuel] WVO damaging paint easy way to correct the problem > >Hi, >No matter how much cleaning I did after I spilled a little WVO on the >car I ended up with a big, fat stain on the side of my car. I just had my >car painted and it is

Re: [Biofuel] WVO damaging paint easy way to correct the problem

2006-09-13 Thread Derick Giorchino
D] On Behalf Of John Wilson Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:51 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] WVO damaging paint easy way to correct the problem Hi, No matter how much cleaning I did after I spilled a little WVO on the car I ended up with a big, fat stain on the si

[Biofuel] WVO damaging paint easy way to correct the problem

2006-09-13 Thread John Wilson
Hi, No matter how much cleaning I did after I spilled a little WVO on the car I ended up with a big, fat stain on the side of my car. I just had my car painted and it is in show room condition so I did not want a fat stain destroying the looks. I came up with a very simple solution. I took all

Re: [Biofuel] WVO

2006-07-24 Thread Thomas Kelly
iscosities? Tom - Original Message - From: "Joe Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO > Very funny Tom! Designer exhausts! You should patent that idea. Recently > I was wondering if I could ma

Re: [Biofuel] WVO

2006-07-24 Thread bob allen
;>>> smells more like a barbeque than like french fries. My next 20 gal (76L) >>>> batch will have about 5 gal of bacon grease solid, had to melt it. >>>> It'll go in the car. I sometimes go fishing w a friend early in the >>>> morning.

Re: [Biofuel] WVO

2006-07-24 Thread Joe Street
e than like french fries. My next 20 gal (76L) >>>batch will have about 5 gal of bacon grease solid, had to melt it. >>>It'll go in the car. I sometimes go fishing w a friend early in the morning. >>>He has requested bacon and egg exhaust. Maybe this next batch w

Re: [Biofuel] WVO

2006-07-24 Thread bob allen
will fit the >> bill. >> Good luck w the WVO >> By the way, what do you get for a titration on it? >> >> Tom >> - Original Message - >> From: "WM LUKE MATHISEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>

Re: [Biofuel] WVO

2006-07-24 Thread Joe Street
t;>>smells more like a barbeque than like french fries. My next 20 gal (76L) >>>batch will have about 5 gal of bacon grease solid, had to melt it. >>>It'll go in the car. I sometimes go fishing w a friend early in the morning. >>>He has requested baco

Re: [Biofuel] WVO

2006-07-24 Thread Mike Weaver
friend early in the morning. >>He has requested bacon and egg exhaust. Maybe this next batch will fit the >>bill. >> Good luck w the WVO >> By the way, what do you get for a titration on it? >> >> Tom >>- Original Mes

Re: [Biofuel] WVO

2006-07-24 Thread Joe Street
Tom > - Original Message - > From: "WM LUKE MATHISEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 5:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO > > > >>Tom, >> >>I heated to 170f as you suggested. It became transluent and the

Re: [Biofuel] WVO

2006-07-22 Thread Bob Carr
know for sure if it is usable or not. Regards, Bob - Original Message - From: "WM LUKE MATHISEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO > Tom, > > I heated to 170f as you suggested. It became transluent and t

Re: [Biofuel] WVO

2006-07-22 Thread Thomas Kelly
12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO > Tom, > > I have a tank less hot water heater that I can easily adjust the temp from > 100 to 176 F, I put the oil in a pete bottle, filled the sink with 176f > water and set the bottle in it. I checked it after a few minutes and it > was > i

Re: [Biofuel] WVO

2006-07-22 Thread WM LUKE MATHISEN
d its done! :-) Luke From: "Thomas Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:33:35 -0400 Luke, "So chicken fat it is." Maybe. Did you use bottom heat? as in a pot on the sto

Re: [Biofuel] WVO

2006-07-22 Thread Andres Secco
layer is not formed with virgin vegetable oil. ;-) Cheers - Original Message - From: "WM LUKE MATHISEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:56 AM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO > The waste veg oil (wvo)I collect has three different layers after it

Re: [Biofuel] WVO

2006-07-21 Thread Thomas Kelly
? Tom - Original Message - From: "WM LUKE MATHISEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO > Tom, > > I heated to 170f as you suggested. It became transluent and then > congelle

Re: [Biofuel] WVO

2006-07-21 Thread WM LUKE MATHISEN
>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >To: >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO >Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:50:56 -0400 > >Luke, > If your WVO was used to cook meat such as chicken, you will have some >animal fat which may be causing the middle layer. It will still make >exce

Re: [Biofuel] WVO

2006-07-20 Thread Thomas Kelly
and let it cool. If it remains clear, you had water. If it clouds upon cooling it probably contains animal fat. Tom - Original Message - From: "WM LUKE MATHISEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:56 AM Subject: [Biof

Re: [Biofuel] WVO

2006-07-20 Thread doug swanson
I've found that if I leave it in the settling tank longer, it will settle out even more. Smaller water droplets seem to take longer to sink and separate, (or conglomerate with other droplets) when encased in their oil surroundings. I'd use solar if I wanted to heat and retrieve the oil from it,

[Biofuel] WVO

2006-07-20 Thread WM LUKE MATHISEN
The waste veg oil (wvo)I collect has three different layers after it settles. A clear (translucent) layer on top and a brown non-translucent layer - that doesn't want to filter - in the middle and then black solids on the bottom. My question is the middle brown layer. It seems - and I havent

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-28 Thread Zeke Yewdall
I do have some info on absorbance/emittance of various media, but not easily at hand. I'll try to look it up. What I recall is that flat black paint is about 80% absorbance, and also 80% emittance. Not sure about the difference between different types of black paint. The selective surfaces used

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-28 Thread Joe Street
Really?  I was under the impression 65% of the incoming solar radiation was IR and NIR.  Well I was thinking of putting flat black paint on copper pipes and having a sun tracking parabolic mirror beneath them. I was just wondering if anyone had any data on flat black paint types as the last pos

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-28 Thread bob allen
Howdy Joe, don't stop with IR, you want to absorb all wavelengths- there is more energy available in the visible/UV than the IR. Any flat black material will absorb all wavelengths (not counting high energy stuff like gamma rays). what you need is a material which not only absorbs, but also co

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-28 Thread Joe Street
Do you have any information on IR absorption of common black materials, ie flat black paint types which are resonably good?  I plan to do something with it one day but would like to make something myself of reasonable efficiency rather than buying a turnkey solution. Joe Hakan Falk wrote:

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-28 Thread Hakan Falk
or you. BTW someone recently passed me a > > > > manual written by a woman who shall remain nameless that is for sale > > > > about making biodiesel. It says that heating oil for dewatering is > > > > a very inefficient process. An electrical resistance heater is as > > >

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-28 Thread Hakan Falk
Joe, In Israel you will see the same, but with efficient solar panels built together with an insulated storage. It is however an enormous difference in efficiency. The black cisterns have a very low efficiency and you can only collect some warm water at the end of sunny days. The main functio

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Sean Chadwell
ent as anything I can imagine. Just be > > > careful about heat density. Too much power confined to too small an > > > area will degrade the oil at the heater surface. Better to use > > > several low density heaters to speed things up. > > > > > > Joe >

[Biofuel] wvo-water seperation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread greg Kelly
If you are after the suspended particles of water primarily, this link has "socks" that absorb water but not oil. Maybe if the suspended stuff was absorbed with something like these, heat and vacuum in much smaller quantities could be used to finish the task.   http://www.newpig.com/en_US/main.jh

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Joe Street
Almost every house and building has a big black cistern on the roof.  The are everywhere you look. Joe Hakan Falk wrote: Joe, Yes, but Mexico it is a bit larger and more people than Israel and in total they do not have the same density, but last time was around 15 years ago and Israel t

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Mike Weaver
t" , grandma frieburg >never had a freezer, they left buckets of apple beer on the porch in the >winter. >- Original Message - >From: Joe Street >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:16 AM >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coale

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Jason & Katie
, or the water freezes, whichever comes first and screen it out? thats how the old folks used to make apple whiskey for hard cider when my grandma was a kid. - Original Message - From: "Ryan Pope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject:

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Hakan Falk
Joe, Yes, but Mexico it is a bit larger and more people than Israel and in total they do not have the same density, but last time was around 15 years ago and Israel the last time was around 6 years ago, China 5 years and Brazil last time was only 2 years ago. Time goes very fast. Still, I dou

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Zeke Yewdall
t;>>>electricity. Heating with oil have 70 to 85% efficiency in burners. I > >>>>>>>>would not give anything for this manual, the author lacks knowledge > >>>>>>>>and understanding. A pity that it is a women who wrote it, bec

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Hakan Falk
understanding. A pity that it is a women who wrote it, because >>>>>>>>now I am going to be accused of being a male chauvinist. It does >>>>>>>>however not effect t

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Zeke Yewdall
to too small an > area will degrade the oil at the heater surface. Better to use > several low density heaters to speed things up. > > Joe > > Jason & Katie wrote: > > > > what about applejack style dewatering? get it REALLY cold so the oil > solidifies, or the wate

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Joe Street
Hakan Falk wrote: >Zeke, > >Solar thermal hot water is the cheapest and most efficient solar use, >I do not understand that the use is so low. This except Israel, where >you can see solar for hot water on almost every house. . > > > snip Ever been to Mexico? Joe

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Joe Street
ter freezes, whichever comes first and screen it out? thats how the old folks used to make apple whiskey for hard cider when my grandma was a kid. - Original Message - From: "Ryan Pope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel]

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Joe Street
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Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Zeke Yewdall
; > Joe > > Jason & Katie wrote: > > > > what about applejack style dewatering? get it REALLY cold so the oil > solidifies, or the water freezes, whichever comes first and screen it out? > thats how the old folks used to make apple whiskey for hard cider when my > grandma was a ki

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Joe Street
reen it out? thats how the old folks used to make apple whiskey for hard cider when my grandma was a kid. - Original Message - From: "Ryan Pope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media I

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Zeke Yewdall
r sale > > > about making biodiesel. It says that heating oil for dewatering is > > > a very inefficient process. An electrical resistance heater is as > > > close to 100 percent efficient as anything I can imagine. Just be > > > care

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Hakan Falk
mall an > > area will degrade the oil at the heater surface. Better to use > > several low density heaters to speed things up. > > > > Joe > > > > Jason & Katie wrote: > > > > > > > > what about applejack style dewatering? get it REALL

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Ryan Pope
Original Message - From: "Ryan Pope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media > I'm trying to think of alternate ways to reduce/eliminate water in WVO > that are both easy (i.e. passiv

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Hakan Falk
ding heat would be a more >>>>>>>efficient process unless you live in the arctic and can let good old >>>>>>>mother nature do the work for you. BTW someone recently passed me a >>>>>>>manual written by a woman who shall remain nameless

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Zeke Yewdall
g? get it REALLY cold so the oil > solidifies, or the water freezes, whichever comes first and screen it out? > thats how the old folks used to make apple whiskey for hard cider when my > grandma was a kid. > - Original Message - > From: "Ryan Pope" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>&

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Joe Street
difies, or the water freezes, whichever comes first and screen it out? thats how the old folks used to make apple whiskey for hard cider when my grandma was a kid. - Original Message - From: "Ryan Pope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 P

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Joe Street
hichever comes first and screen it out? thats how the old folks used to make apple whiskey for hard cider when my grandma was a kid. - Original Message - From: "Ryan Pope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separatio

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Bill Clark
, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media > I'm trying to think of alternate ways to reduce/eliminate water in WVO > that are both easy (i.e. passive) and don't involve the energy use of > heating a bulk volume of oil to near water B

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Zeke Yewdall
p. > > Joe > > Jason & Katie wrote: > > > > what about applejack style dewatering? get it REALLY cold so the oil > solidifies, or the water freezes, whichever comes first and screen it out? > thats how the old folks used to make apple whiskey for hard cider when

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Hakan Falk
y. Too much power confined to too small an >>>>>area will degrade the oil at the heater surface. Better to use >>>>>several low density heaters to speed things up. >>>>> >>>>>Joe >>>>> >>>>>Jason & Katie wrot

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Joe Street
used to make apple whiskey for hard cider when my grandma was a kid. - Original Message - From: "Ryan Pope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media I&

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