Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

rom: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:01 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 > > Don't think so, pretty confident gigabit is 2 pair still. Could

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-- From: "3-dB Networks" Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:07 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 > Yes... although be careful what surge suppressors you use :-) > > Dragonwave also uses GigE with

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-- From: "Matt" Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:11 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 >> There's the confusion. 2 "standards". One with 4 pair and one with 2 >> pair. >> Gotta love standard

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Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 > There's the confusion.  2 "standards".  One with 4 pair and one with 2 pair. > Gotta love standards. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabit_Ethernet#1000BAS

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> There's the confusion.  2 "standards".  One with 4 pair and one with 2 pair. > Gotta love standards. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabit_Ethernet#1000BASE-T The Motorola PTP600 has a GigE port and POE. So will POE still work with GigE? Matt ---

Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

, November 18, 2009 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 If you really get stuck, the Netgear PowerLine thingy's actually work. Otherwise NetSys Ethernet repeaters will do 25Mbps. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless

Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 Yep... I wouldn't use this specific product in a house... but it's the only VDSL equipment I have firsthand experience with. http://tinyurl.com/yefhy2q Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.co

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eless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 Is that both directions? Maybe thats the answer to Forbes question? -RickG On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:26 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote: > VDSL equipme

Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 If I read the specs correctly, it only does 10Mbps over cat3. To get the higher speeds you need cat 5 or better. -RickG On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:29 PM

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d some > pretty stiff wire. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:50 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 >

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time he finds one? > > Jerry > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 3:58 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 >

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used to be some home networking nics that used the phone lines in > the > > > home and you could also use the phones with the things connected. That > was > > > in the late 1990's, early 2000. Some Gateway desktops came with them. > I > > > never saw them used

Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

l Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:07 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 > > Those old phone line units could only do 1Mbps. > My questi

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ere used to be some home networking nics that used the phone > >> lines in the > >> home and you could also use the phones with the things connected. > >> That was > >> in the late 1990's, early 2000. Some Gateway desktops came with > >> them. I

Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

om: RickG Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:06:37 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 Those old phone line units could only do 1Mbps. My question was: Can anyone show me reliable equipment that will do 100Mbps+ on cat 3? Not according to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C

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er 18, 2009 1:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 Standard "Old School" residential phone wire. Heavy gauge 2 pair. Red, black, yellow, green. At least around here, Ohio, the Telco installed some pretty stiff wire. -Original Message

Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

RickG Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:04 AM, Robert West wrote: "The conductors on phone wire are thicker giving more surface area for the electrons to play on, more than the thin Cat5." Huh

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son" Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:51 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 > There was a technology that used all 4 pairs. It was a proprietary > solution that put Video on one set and data on the other. Broadxxx or > something li

Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

t' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 VDSL equipment can get up to the 70Mbps range or so... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, November

Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Robert West" > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:04 AM > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 > > > Just think about it, Cat5 is 4 pair. You need 2 pair for transm

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ktops came with them. I > >never saw them used though. > > > >Bob- > > > > > > > > > >-Original Message- > >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >Behalf Of RickG > >Sent: Wednesday, Nove

Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

Of course we love standards, that's why there's so many!!! Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA]

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: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 Don't think so, pretty confident gigabit is 2 pair still. Could be wrong... On 11/18/09, Mike Hammett wrote: > I believe 100 megs requires 2 pair and Gig requires all 4 pair in addition >

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eless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:33 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 > > 100Mbps on cat 3? Really? > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Forbes Mercy >

Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

esday, November 18, 2009 3:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 Think about it. How many DSL connections have you encountered that had a long run of satin phone cord from a block to the DSL modem? I used to have a DSL connection running on some of the UGLIEST

Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 Those old phone line units could only do 1Mbps. My question was: Can anyone show me reliable equipment that will do 100Mbps+ on cat 3? Not according to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable or my experience. If such an animal exists, I could use it, which is

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he things connected. That was > > in the late 1990's, early 2000. Some Gateway desktops came with them. I > > never saw them used though. > > > > Bob- > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message----- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.or

Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 Those old phone line units could only do 1Mbps. My question was: Can anyone show me reliable equipment that will do 100Mbps+ on cat 3? Not according to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable or my experience. If such an animal exists, I could use it

Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

> That was >> in the late 1990's, early 2000. Some Gateway desktops came with >> them. I >> never saw them used though. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mail

Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

un...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:02 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 > > That would be great! But, I cant find anything on the net except references > to the standard being 10Mbps: > http

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al List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabit_Ethernet#1000BASE-T - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Josh Luthman" Sent: Wednesday, November 18

Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 The number of twists per inch makes a difference as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" Sent: Wedn

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ertain quality measures. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "Robert West" >> Sent: Tuesday, Nov

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Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Robert West" > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:58 PM > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 > >

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9 11:58 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 > Phone line is twisted pair and normally 2 pair. Transmit and receive. > Can > easily do 100mbps. You could even get it to do gigabit with not much > effort. No PoE though, no pair

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List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 > Just think about it, Cat5 is 4 pair. You need 2 pair for transmit and > receive. 4 conductors total. We sometimes use one of the other pair for > PoE and the other pair is "lost". Cat5 is twisted pair, so is phone wire. &

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Gateway desktops came with them. I >never saw them used though. > >Bob- > > > > >-Original Message- >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >Behalf Of RickG >Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:02 AM >To: WISPA Gene

Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

n...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 1:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 Guys, The "Category" rating has to do with the number of twists per inch. The more twists the more the noise cancels out. Noise screws u

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Kevin Neal Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 With the right equipment I've heard of gigabit over rusted old barbwire! -Kevin On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM, RickG wrote: > 100Mbps on cat 3? Really? > > On Tue

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Guys, The "Category" rating has to do with the number of twists per inch. The more twists the more the noise cancels out. Noise screws up Data. Noise usually comes from AC power somewhere. The lower the cat number the more screwed up your Data will be. Period. Robert West wrote: > Phone line is

Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 100Mbps on cat 3? Really? On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: > We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. > My question

Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

al Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 That would be great! But, I cant find anything on the net except references to the standar

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That would be great! But, I cant find anything on the net except references to the standard being 10Mbps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable Any examples? On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Kevin Neal wrote: > With the right equipment I've heard of gigabit over rusted old barbwire! > >

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rbes Mercy" > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:12 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 > >> We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. >> My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which

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With the right equipment I've heard of gigabit over rusted old barbwire! -Kevin On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM, RickG wrote: > 100Mbps on cat 3? Really? > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Forbes Mercy > wrote: > >> We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. >> My q

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100Mbps on cat 3? Really? On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: > We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. > My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the same > as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line?

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Enough pairs for data and power? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Forbes Mercy" Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:12 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: [WISPA] Cat3 i

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: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 Old cat3 has a myriad of stubs...it's awful. You'll never figure out what's happening. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.

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al List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5 Cat3 == phone line phone line != Cat3 Phone wiring doesn't even have to make the scale of categories. A lot of the phone wiring is put in daisy chained with wire nuts, by electricians, homeowners, etc... On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 01:12:10PM

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Cat3 == phone line phone line != Cat3 Phone wiring doesn't even have to make the scale of categories. A lot of the phone wiring is put in daisy chained with wire nuts, by electricians, homeowners, etc... On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 01:12:10PM -0800, Forbes Mercy wrote: > We currently run a Cat5 in

Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

You may not have to rewire...depends a lot on the distance of the link, but Cat 3 will work. Ryan Spott wrote: I do this when the customer has a "smart closet" It works great. Until we get Gig-E wireless... then boy oh boy, I might have to do some re-wiring! ryan On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at

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I do this when the customer has a "smart closet" It works great. Until we get Gig-E wireless... then boy oh boy, I might have to do some re-wiring! ryan On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: > We current

[WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5

We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house. My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the same as a phone line why can't we run the connection into their phone line? Most of our customers have cell phone only and their internal wiring is virtually unus