Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

[Mike Hammett]

Google has been trying to shut down Hangouts for years, but their replacements 
always suck. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 4:41:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use 



I find it interesting that Google is shutting down Google Hangouts to replace 
it with a Slack clone. If Slack is what you want, why not just use Slack? 


From: AF  On Behalf Of Darin Steffl 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 4:33 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use 


I've used a data only sim in Croatia before. It was unlimited data for 
something cheap like $15 for 10 days. 



What I don't understand is why people are using whatsapp? No one I know uses it 
but everyone I know has Facebook and with messenger and you can chat, call, and 
video message. So why go out of the way to download a redundant app like 
whatsapp? 



I've been on cruises, overseas many times and I either pay Verizon $10 a day 
for the roaming or if long term, I buy a sim card just for data. All voice 
calls I do over Facebook, our office voip through an android app, or slack. 



On Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 4:28 PM SmarterBroadband < li...@sbb.net wrote: 




Mark, you can do $10 a day for the convenience 
Adam 



From: AF [mailto: af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka 
Technologies 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 1:49 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use 

Bill, 

Yeah, that's verizon's pay as you go rate. $10/day adds up quick. Doing some 
research, I can get some European data only sim's for about $35 for 30 days 
with about 8GB of data. 8GB should be good enough for keeping up to date with 
whatsapp and basic web surfing. 
Guess I can check my voicemail and get texts on my main number when I'm near 
WiFi. I do have a Boingo account I rarely use. I think they have an App the 
will detect and automatically connect to their hotspots. Thinking between that, 
public WiFi and a data only SIM, I should be reachable most of the time. 


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Thursday, January 24, 2019, 4:26:21 PM, you wrote:  
Whatever you do, be sure to explore your options. A friend who just spent 3 
weeks in Australia & had not really looked into the options spent $10/day for 
cell service while there. 21 x $10 =$210. I guess that's not horrible, but I 
tend to think about what else I might have wanted to spend that money on. 

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On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 1:17 PM Trey Scarborough < t...@3dsc.co > wrote:
I have T-mobile one account and use whatsapp mainly. Everywhere I have 
been the included international roaming data connection has worked 
descent enough with Whatsapp that I really never looked at any other 
options. The additional I pay for the One on top of the regular service 
would probably equal the same as what it would be for a couple of sim 
cards and service. 

On 1/24/2019 2:38 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: 
> I know Chuck has been overseas and maybe some of you others have been 
> recently. Last time I was overseas there were no cell phones. I'm 
> trying to figure out my best option for cell phone usage. 
> 
> So far looks like my best option is to get a data only sim and use 
> whatsapp. That seems to be working fine for my daughter right now. 
> We are able to communicate with no issues. 
> 
> When I connect to WiFi, I should be able to use WiFi calling with my 
> current number to call back to the states if needed. In the past 
> using WiFi calling, seems that texts will work also. 
> 
> So, here is the crazy part. If I get a data only SIM, there will be 
> no voice connection. Almost like my phone being in airplane mode, but 
> with data enabled. Will the WiFi calling work on the data only plan? 
> Will it detect I have data, but no voice and fail over to WiFi 
> calling. 
> 
> Anybody ever try this? 
> 
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> Thanks, 
> Mark mailto: m...@mailmt.com 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

[Mike Hammett]

WiFi calling can work just fine. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 3:49:52 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use 



Somebody mentioned WiFi calling, does that really work OK for you, even 
domestically? 

I don’t use it, but the only time I hear it mentioned is when a WISP customer 
calls complaining about WiFi calling, usually dropped or one-way calls, but 
that everything else on their Internet connection is fine. For whatever reason, 
they usually seem to have a Sprint phone. My conclusion was that WiFi calling 
must not be very reliable, so please stop calling your ISP about it. It seems 
like people were using it at their house rather than get a microcell. 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 3:26 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use 


Whatever you do, be sure to explore your options. A friend who just spent 3 
weeks in Australia & had not really looked into the options spent $10/day for 
cell service while there. 21 x $10 =$210. I guess that's not horrible, but I 
tend to think about what else I might have wanted to spend that money on. 








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On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 1:17 PM Trey Scarborough < t...@3dsc.co > wrote: 


I have T-mobile one account and use whatsapp mainly. Everywhere I have 
been the included international roaming data connection has worked 
descent enough with Whatsapp that I really never looked at any other 
options. The additional I pay for the One on top of the regular service 
would probably equal the same as what it would be for a couple of sim 
cards and service. 

On 1/24/2019 2:38 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: 
> I know Chuck has been overseas and maybe some of you others have been 
> recently. Last time I was overseas there were no cell phones. I'm 
> trying to figure out my best option for cell phone usage. 
> 
> So far looks like my best option is to get a data only sim and use 
> whatsapp. That seems to be working fine for my daughter right now. 
> We are able to communicate with no issues. 
> 
> When I connect to WiFi, I should be able to use WiFi calling with my 
> current number to call back to the states if needed. In the past 
> using WiFi calling, seems that texts will work also. 
> 
> So, here is the crazy part. If I get a data only SIM, there will be 
> no voice connection. Almost like my phone being in airplane mode, but 
> with data enabled. Will the WiFi calling work on the data only plan? 
> Will it detect I have data, but no voice and fail over to WiFi 
> calling. 
> 
> Anybody ever try this? 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Mark mailto: m...@mailmt.com 
> 
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> www.MyakkaTech.com 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

[Mike Hammett]

https://fi.google.com/about/international-rates/ 




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Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 2:42:43 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use 


Move to Google Fi and you can large be done with worrying about international 
phone usage. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -

From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 2:38:48 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] International cell phone use 

I know Chuck has been overseas and maybe some of you others have been 
recently. Last time I was overseas there were no cell phones. I'm 
trying to figure out my best option for cell phone usage. 

So far looks like my best option is to get a data only sim and use 
whatsapp. That seems to be working fine for my daughter right now. 
We are able to communicate with no issues. 

When I connect to WiFi, I should be able to use WiFi calling with my 
current number to call back to the states if needed. In the past 
using WiFi calling, seems that texts will work also. 

So, here is the crazy part. If I get a data only SIM, there will be 
no voice connection. Almost like my phone being in airplane mode, but 
with data enabled. Will the WiFi calling work on the data only plan? 
Will it detect I have data, but no voice and fail over to WiFi 
calling. 

Anybody ever try this? 

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Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

[Cassidy B. Larson]

What Trey says. I go international every couple of months. T-Mobile has free 
texting and data internationally. Works fine for my emailing, what’s apping, 
and google maps needs. Plus I get free WiFi while I’m flying on delta for free 
:). Then I just make WiFi calls from the place I stay and it’s free there. 
Otherwise it’s like 25/c a minute.  Highly recommend t-mob to anybody traveling 
often internationally. A couple of years ago they gave out a summer of free LTE 
speeds while traveling in Europe. 

-c

> On Jan 24, 2019, at 13:15, Trey Scarborough  wrote:
> 
> I have T-mobile one account and use whatsapp mainly. Everywhere I have been 
> the included international roaming data connection has worked descent enough 
> with Whatsapp that I really never looked at any other options. The additional 
> I pay for the One on top of the regular service would probably equal the same 
> as what it would be for a couple of sim cards and service.
> 
>> On 1/24/2019 2:38 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
>> I know Chuck has been overseas and maybe some of you others have been
>> recently.   Last  time  I was overseas there were no cell phones.  I'm
>> trying to figure out my best option for cell phone usage.
>> 
>> So  far  looks  like  my best option is to get a data only sim and use
>> whatsapp.   That  seems  to be working fine for my daughter right now.
>> We are able to communicate with no issues.
>> 
>> When  I  connect to WiFi, I should be able to use WiFi calling with my
>> current  number  to  call  back  to the states if needed.  In the past
>> using WiFi calling, seems that texts will work also.
>> 
>> So,  here  is the crazy part.  If I get a data only SIM, there will be
>> no voice connection.  Almost like my phone being in airplane mode, but
>> with  data  enabled.  Will the WiFi calling work on the data only plan?
>> Will  it  detect  I  have  data,  but  no  voice and fail over to WiFi
>> calling.
>> 
>> Anybody ever try this?
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Thanks,
>>  Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>> 
>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> www.MyakkaTech.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] yellow pages ads work for anybody?

[Ken Hohhof]

Facebook seems kind of like PaintNite, great if you want a 5:1 female:male 
ratio.  At least looking at who comments or likes our posts.  If it’s a guy, 
chances are it’s somebody from the industry not a customer.  Not really 
complaining, since in most homes it seems the man may wear the pants but 
doesn’t control the checkbook.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 4:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] yellow pages ads work for anybody?

 

waste of money.

 

spend the $100/mo on boosting a facebook post and you'll get WAY more new subs 
than you would get in a whole year or two of phone book ads.

 

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 3:29 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Anybody here still using ads in the print Yellow Pages?  If yes, do you have 
any metrics to say if they are working?

 

Our ad in 2 yellow books is up for renewal, I think it’s only about $100 per 
month total, so it would be worth it if we got maybe 1-2 new customers per 
year.  But as far as I can tell, we haven’t gotten a lead that way in years.  
About half the area covered by the 2 books is outside our WISP coverage, and I 
used to get the people all angry why do you advertise in my yellow book if you 
don’t have service here?  That hasn’t happened in a long time, which is one 
indicator for me that nobody uses the YP books anymore.  We do get leads from 
the free “shopper” paper they throw on driveways (or maybe they mail them, I’m 
not sure).

 

Also, Dex Media annoys me with their billing and renewal practices, so why send 
them money if it isn’t working.

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Re: [AFMUG] yellow pages ads work for anybody?

[Tim Withrow via AF]

I thought people only use those to start the fireplace now
On Thursday, January 24, 2019 Sean Heskett  wrote:
waste of money.
spend the $100/mo on boosting a facebook post and you'll get WAY more new subs 
than you would get in a whole year or two of phone book ads.
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 3:29 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:


Anybody here still using ads in the print Yellow Pages?  If yes, do you have 
any metrics to say if they are working?

 

Our ad in 2 yellow books is up for renewal, I think it’s only about $100 per 
month total, so it would be worth it if we got maybe 1-2 new customers per 
year.  But as far as I can tell, we haven’t gotten a lead that way in years.  
About half the area covered by the 2 books is outside our WISP coverage, and I 
used to get the people all angry why do you advertise in my yellow book if you 
don’t have service here?  That hasn’t happened in a long time, which is one 
indicator for me that nobody uses the YP books anymore.  We do get leads from 
the free “shopper” paper they throw on driveways (or maybe they mail them, I’m 
not sure).

 

Also, Dex Media annoys me with their billing and renewal practices, so why send 
them money if it isn’t working.
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Re: [AFMUG] yellow pages ads work for anybody?

[Sean Heskett]

waste of money.

spend the $100/mo on boosting a facebook post and you'll get WAY more new
subs than you would get in a whole year or two of phone book ads.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 3:29 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Anybody here still using ads in the print Yellow Pages?  If yes, do you
> have any metrics to say if they are working?
>
>
>
> Our ad in 2 yellow books is up for renewal, I think it’s only about $100
> per month total, so it would be worth it if we got maybe 1-2 new customers
> per year.  But as far as I can tell, we haven’t gotten a lead that way in
> years.  About half the area covered by the 2 books is outside our WISP
> coverage, and I used to get the people all angry why do you advertise in my
> yellow book if you don’t have service here?  That hasn’t happened in a long
> time, which is one indicator for me that nobody uses the YP books anymore.
> We do get leads from the free “shopper” paper they throw on driveways (or
> maybe they mail them, I’m not sure).
>
>
>
> Also, Dex Media annoys me with their billing and renewal practices, so why
> send them money if it isn’t working.
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[AFMUG] Packetflux Rack Injector cacti template

[Sean Heskett]

Hello,

Has anyone made a cacti template for the new Rack Injector from packetflux
that they'd like to share?

Thanks,

Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

[Tim Alexander]

You probably want to look at some of the intel high write endurance 
SSD's if you're concerned about writes.


For example the intel S4610is rated at 6 PBW (6,000 TB) or roughly 3 DWPD.

Intel P series or optane based products have far higher endurance but 
cost is a lot higher.



Tim Alexander
Amplex Internet

419-837-5015 or 888-419-3635
22690 Pemberville Road
Luckey, OH  43443
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On 1/24/2019 5:15 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


I think PRO drives have many more writes.

Talking Samsung….

Adam

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, January 24, 2019 9:59 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

The only issue with SSDs is the write endurance, and most of them now 
have a certain percentage of spare cells to stave that off for a 
while. They generally won't go toes up all at once, but will lose 
cells, or blocks of cells at some point. You will get more endurance 
if you oversize them to minimize cell re-use. If you think you need 
1TB, get 2TB, and it will cut cell re-use by 50%.


Way, way faster.


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On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 9:03 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:


Setting  up  a  new server and trying to decide if I want to go SSD vs
HDD.   This  is  a dell R620 and uses 2.5" drives.  Last one I setup I
just  used  1TB  WD  RED  2.5"  drives.  Now that the price of SDD has
dropped,  I  was  thinking  about using SSD over the HDD. Most likely
going to be a Ubuntu system with linux SW raid 10.

Any reason not to go with the SSD?


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Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

[Ken Hohhof]

I find it interesting that Google is shutting down Google Hangouts to replace 
it with a Slack clone.  If Slack is what you want, why not just use Slack?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 4:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

 

I've used a data only sim in Croatia before. It was unlimited data for 
something cheap like $15 for 10 days.

 

What I don't understand is why people are using whatsapp? No one I know uses it 
but everyone I know has Facebook and with messenger and you can chat, call, and 
video message. So why go out of the way to download a redundant app like 
whatsapp?

 

I've been on cruises, overseas many times and I either pay Verizon $10 a day 
for the roaming or if long term, I buy a sim card just for data. All voice 
calls I do over Facebook, our office voip through an android app, or slack. 

 

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 4:28 PM SmarterBroadband mailto:li...@sbb.net>  wrote:

Mark, you can do $10 a day for the convenience 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] On 
Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 1:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

 

Bill,

Yeah, that's verizon's pay as you go rate. $10/day adds up quick.  Doing some 
research, I can get some European data only sim's for about $35 for 30 days 
with about 8GB of data.  8GB should be good enough for keeping up to date with 
whatsapp and basic web surfing.
Guess I can check my voicemail and get texts on my main number when I'm near 
WiFi.  I do have a Boingo account I rarely use.  I think they have an App the 
will detect and automatically connect to their hotspots. Thinking between that, 
public WiFi and a data only SIM, I should be reachable most of the time.  


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Thursday, January 24, 2019, 4:26:21 PM, you wrote:


Whatever you do, be sure to explore your options. A friend who just spent 3 
weeks in Australia & had not really looked into the options spent $10/day for 
cell service while there. 21 x $10 =$210. I guess that's not horrible, but I 
tend to think about what else I might have wanted to spend that money on.

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On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 1:17 PM Trey Scarborough <  
t...@3dsc.co> wrote:


I have T-mobile one account and use whatsapp mainly. Everywhere I have 
been the included international roaming data connection has worked 
descent enough with Whatsapp that I really never looked at any other 
options. The additional I pay for the One on top of the regular service 
would probably equal the same as what it would be for a couple of sim 
cards and service.

On 1/24/2019 2:38 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
> I know Chuck has been overseas and maybe some of you others have been
> recently.   Last  time  I was overseas there were no cell phones.  I'm
> trying to figure out my best option for cell phone usage.
>
> So  far  looks  like  my best option is to get a data only sim and use
> whatsapp.   That  seems  to be working fine for my daughter right now.
> We are able to communicate with no issues.
>
> When  I  connect to WiFi, I should be able to use WiFi calling with my
> current  number  to  call  back  to the states if needed.  In the past
> using WiFi calling, seems that texts will work also.
>
> So,  here  is the crazy part.  If I get a data only SIM, there will be
> no voice connection.  Almost like my phone being in airplane mode, but
> with  data  enabled.  Will the WiFi calling work on the data only plan?
> Will  it  detect  I  have  data,  but  no  voice and fail over to WiFi
> calling.
>
> Anybody ever try this?
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>   Mark  mailto:  
> m...@mailmt.com
>
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>   www.MyakkaTech.com
>
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Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

[Ken Hohhof]

Oh, right, that was another complaint I got from a handful of people trying to 
use WiFi calling, their text messages didn’t come through.  I figured that was 
because SMS uses the control channel on the cell tower and so maybe you 
shouldn’t expect it to work.  Like people just assume that you can send text 
messages to landlines.  We do get text messages on our business line, but only 
because we have an SMS-to-email gateway configured.

 

Maybe WiFi calling has matured over the past couple years, I don’t think I’ve 
gotten calls about it recently.

 

Or maybe people have stopped calling their ISP about every problem with every 
device they buy and app they use.  Haha, just kidding.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 4:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

 

Ken,

Was on a Royal Caribbean Cruise over the New Year.  Signed up for their ship 
Internet package and used WiFi calling.  Didn't have any issues.  Texts worked 
find and I had no problem dialing into my voice mail to check messages.
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Thursday, January 24, 2019, 4:49:52 PM, you wrote:


Somebody mentioned WiFi calling, does that really work OK for you, even 
domestically?

I don’t use it, but the only time I hear it mentioned is when a WISP customer 
calls complaining about WiFi calling, usually dropped or one-way calls, but 
that everything else on their Internet connection is fine.  For whatever 
reason, they usually seem to have a Sprint phone.  My conclusion was that WiFi 
calling must not be very reliable, so please stop calling your ISP about it.  
It seems like people were using it at their house rather than get a microcell.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 3:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

Whatever you do, be sure to explore your options. A friend who just spent 3 
weeks in Australia & had not really looked into the options spent $10/day for 
cell service while there. 21 x $10 =$210. I guess that's not horrible, but I 
tend to think about what else I might have wanted to spend that money on.

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I have T-mobile one account and use whatsapp mainly. Everywhere I have 
been the included international roaming data connection has worked 
descent enough with Whatsapp that I really never looked at any other 
options. The additional I pay for the One on top of the regular service 
would probably equal the same as what it would be for a couple of sim 
cards and service.

On 1/24/2019 2:38 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
> I know Chuck has been overseas and maybe some of you others have been
> recently.   Last  time  I was overseas there were no cell phones.  I'm
> trying to figure out my best option for cell phone usage.
>
> So  far  looks  like  my best option is to get a data only sim and use
> whatsapp.   That  seems  to be working fine for my daughter right now.
> We are able to communicate with no issues.
>
> When  I  connect to WiFi, I should be able to use WiFi calling with my
> current  number  to  call  back  to the states if needed.  In the past
> using WiFi calling, seems that texts will work also.
>
> So,  here  is the crazy part.  If I get a data only SIM, there will be
> no voice connection.  Almost like my phone being in airplane mode, but
> with  data  enabled.  Will the WiFi calling work on the data only plan?
> Will  it  detect  I  have  data,  but  no  voice and fail over to WiFi
> calling.
>
> Anybody ever try this?
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>   Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>  
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.MyakkaTech.com  
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Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

[David Coudron]

We have done the $10 a day the last couple of times in Europe.  Works pretty 
well but there is a limited amount of high speed data per day and then they 
slow it down for the rest of the day to 3G.  Just have to be careful.

Regards,

David Coudron


From: AF  on behalf of Darin Steffl 

Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 3:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

I've used a data only sim in Croatia before. It was unlimited data for 
something cheap like $15 for 10 days.

What I don't understand is why people are using whatsapp? No one I know uses it 
but everyone I know has Facebook and with messenger and you can chat, call, and 
video message. So why go out of the way to download a redundant app like 
whatsapp?

I've been on cruises, overseas many times and I either pay Verizon $10 a day 
for the roaming or if long term, I buy a sim card just for data. All voice 
calls I do over Facebook, our office voip through an android app, or slack.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 4:28 PM SmarterBroadband 
mailto:li...@sbb.net> wrote:
Mark, you can do $10 a day for the convenience
Adam

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 1:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

Bill,

Yeah, that's verizon's pay as you go rate. $10/day adds up quick.  Doing some 
research, I can get some European data only sim's for about $35 for 30 days 
with about 8GB of data.  8GB should be good enough for keeping up to date with 
whatsapp and basic web surfing.
Guess I can check my voicemail and get texts on my main number when I'm near 
WiFi.  I do have a Boingo account I rarely use.  I think they have an App the 
will detect and automatically connect to their hotspots. Thinking between that, 
public WiFi and a data only SIM, I should be reachable most of the time.


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Whatever you do, be sure to explore your options. A friend who just spent 3 
weeks in Australia & had not really looked into the options spent $10/day for 
cell service while there. 21 x $10 =$210. I guess that's not horrible, but I 
tend to think about what else I might have wanted to spend that money on.

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On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 1:17 PM Trey Scarborough 
mailto:t...@3dsc.co>> wrote:

I have T-mobile one account and use whatsapp mainly. Everywhere I have
been the included international roaming data connection has worked
descent enough with Whatsapp that I really never looked at any other
options. The additional I pay for the One on top of the regular service
would probably equal the same as what it would be for a couple of sim
cards and service.

On 1/24/2019 2:38 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
> I know Chuck has been overseas and maybe some of you others have been
> recently.   Last  time  I was overseas there were no cell phones.  I'm
> trying to figure out my best option for cell phone usage.
>
> So  far  looks  like  my best option is to get a data only sim and use
> whatsapp.   That  seems  to be working fine for my daughter right now.
> We are able to communicate with no issues.
>
> When  I  connect to WiFi, I should be able to use WiFi calling with my
> current  number  to  call  back  to the states if needed.  In the past
> using WiFi calling, seems that texts will work also.
>
> So,  here  is the crazy part.  If I get a data only SIM, there will be
> no voice connection.  Almost like my phone being in airplane mode, but
> with  data  enabled.  Will the WiFi calling work on the data only plan?
> Will  it  detect  I  have  data,  but  no  voice and fail over to WiFi
> calling.
>
> Anybody ever try this?
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>   Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.MyakkaTech.com
>
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Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

[Darin Steffl]

I've used a data only sim in Croatia before. It was unlimited data for
something cheap like $15 for 10 days.

What I don't understand is why people are using whatsapp? No one I know
uses it but everyone I know has Facebook and with messenger and you can
chat, call, and video message. So why go out of the way to download a
redundant app like whatsapp?

I've been on cruises, overseas many times and I either pay Verizon $10 a
day for the roaming or if long term, I buy a sim card just for data. All
voice calls I do over Facebook, our office voip through an android app, or
slack.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 4:28 PM SmarterBroadband  Mark, you can do $10 a day for the convenience
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mark - Myakka
> Technologies
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 24, 2019 1:49 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use
>
>
>
> Bill,
>
> Yeah, that's verizon's pay as you go rate. $10/day adds up quick.  Doing
> some research, I can get some European data only sim's for about $35 for 30
> days with about 8GB of data.  8GB should be good enough for keeping up to
> date with whatsapp and basic web surfing.
> Guess I can check my voicemail and get texts on my main number when I'm
> near WiFi.  I do have a Boingo account I rarely use.  I think they have an
> App the will detect and automatically connect to their hotspots. Thinking
> between that, public WiFi and a data only SIM, I should be reachable most
> of the time.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.MyakkaTech.com
>
> --
>
> Thursday, January 24, 2019, 4:26:21 PM, you wrote:
>
> Whatever you do, be sure to explore your options. A friend who just spent
> 3 weeks in Australia & had not really looked into the options spent $10/day
> for cell service while there. 21 x $10 =$210. I guess that's not horrible,
> but I tend to think about what else I might have wanted to spend that money
> on.
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 1:17 PM Trey Scarborough  wrote:
>
> I have T-mobile one account and use whatsapp mainly. Everywhere I have
> been the included international roaming data connection has worked
> descent enough with Whatsapp that I really never looked at any other
> options. The additional I pay for the One on top of the regular service
> would probably equal the same as what it would be for a couple of sim
> cards and service.
>
> On 1/24/2019 2:38 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
> > I know Chuck has been overseas and maybe some of you others have been
> > recently.   Last  time  I was overseas there were no cell phones.  I'm
> > trying to figure out my best option for cell phone usage.
> >
> > So  far  looks  like  my best option is to get a data only sim and use
> > whatsapp.   That  seems  to be working fine for my daughter right now.
> > We are able to communicate with no issues.
> >
> > When  I  connect to WiFi, I should be able to use WiFi calling with my
> > current  number  to  call  back  to the states if needed.  In the past
> > using WiFi calling, seems that texts will work also.
> >
> > So,  here  is the crazy part.  If I get a data only SIM, there will be
> > no voice connection.  Almost like my phone being in airplane mode, but
> > with  data  enabled.  Will the WiFi calling work on the data only plan?
> > Will  it  detect  I  have  data,  but  no  voice and fail over to WiFi
> > calling.
> >
> > Anybody ever try this?
> >
> > --
> >
> > Thanks,
> >   Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> >
> > Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> > www.MyakkaTech.com
> >
> >
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> 3DS Communications LLC
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] yellow pages ads work for anybody?

[chuck]

NO.  Got suckered into a personal visit by a rep promising sales and hits and 
visits etc.  Total waste of money.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 3:27 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] yellow pages ads work for anybody?

Anybody here still using ads in the print Yellow Pages?  If yes, do you have 
any metrics to say if they are working?

 

Our ad in 2 yellow books is up for renewal, I think it’s only about $100 per 
month total, so it would be worth it if we got maybe 1-2 new customers per 
year.  But as far as I can tell, we haven’t gotten a lead that way in years.  
About half the area covered by the 2 books is outside our WISP coverage, and I 
used to get the people all angry why do you advertise in my yellow book if you 
don’t have service here?  That hasn’t happened in a long time, which is one 
indicator for me that nobody uses the YP books anymore.  We do get leads from 
the free “shopper” paper they throw on driveways (or maybe they mail them, I’m 
not sure).

 

Also, Dex Media annoys me with their billing and renewal practices, so why send 
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[AFMUG] yellow pages ads work for anybody?

[Ken Hohhof]

Anybody here still using ads in the print Yellow Pages?  If yes, do you have
any metrics to say if they are working?

 

Our ad in 2 yellow books is up for renewal, I think it's only about $100 per
month total, so it would be worth it if we got maybe 1-2 new customers per
year.  But as far as I can tell, we haven't gotten a lead that way in years.
About half the area covered by the 2 books is outside our WISP coverage, and
I used to get the people all angry why do you advertise in my yellow book if
you don't have service here?  That hasn't happened in a long time, which is
one indicator for me that nobody uses the YP books anymore.  We do get leads
from the free "shopper" paper they throw on driveways (or maybe they mail
them, I'm not sure).

 

Also, Dex Media annoys me with their billing and renewal practices, so why
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Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

[SmarterBroadband]

Mark, you can do $10 a day for the convenience 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka 
Technologies
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 1:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

 

Bill,

Yeah, that's verizon's pay as you go rate. $10/day adds up quick.  Doing some 
research, I can get some European data only sim's for about $35 for 30 days 
with about 8GB of data.  8GB should be good enough for keeping up to date with 
whatsapp and basic web surfing.
Guess I can check my voicemail and get texts on my main number when I'm near 
WiFi.  I do have a Boingo account I rarely use.  I think they have an App the 
will detect and automatically connect to their hotspots. Thinking between that, 
public WiFi and a data only SIM, I should be reachable most of the time.  


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Thursday, January 24, 2019, 4:26:21 PM, you wrote:


Whatever you do, be sure to explore your options. A friend who just spent 3 
weeks in Australia & had not really looked into the options spent $10/day for 
cell service while there. 21 x $10 =$210. I guess that's not horrible, but I 
tend to think about what else I might have wanted to spend that money on.

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On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 1:17 PM Trey Scarborough <  
t...@3dsc.co> wrote:


I have T-mobile one account and use whatsapp mainly. Everywhere I have 
been the included international roaming data connection has worked 
descent enough with Whatsapp that I really never looked at any other 
options. The additional I pay for the One on top of the regular service 
would probably equal the same as what it would be for a couple of sim 
cards and service.

On 1/24/2019 2:38 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
> I know Chuck has been overseas and maybe some of you others have been
> recently.   Last  time  I was overseas there were no cell phones.  I'm
> trying to figure out my best option for cell phone usage.
>
> So  far  looks  like  my best option is to get a data only sim and use
> whatsapp.   That  seems  to be working fine for my daughter right now.
> We are able to communicate with no issues.
>
> When  I  connect to WiFi, I should be able to use WiFi calling with my
> current  number  to  call  back  to the states if needed.  In the past
> using WiFi calling, seems that texts will work also.
>
> So,  here  is the crazy part.  If I get a data only SIM, there will be
> no voice connection.  Almost like my phone being in airplane mode, but
> with  data  enabled.  Will the WiFi calling work on the data only plan?
> Will  it  detect  I  have  data,  but  no  voice and fail over to WiFi
> calling.
>
> Anybody ever try this?
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>   Mark  mailto:  
> m...@mailmt.com
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>   www.MyakkaTech.com
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use


Ken,

Was on a Royal Caribbean Cruise over the New Year.  Signed up for their ship Internet package and used WiFi calling.  Didn't have any issues.  Texts worked find and I had no problem dialing into my voice mail to check messages.
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Somebody mentioned WiFi calling, does that really work OK for you, even domestically?
 
I don’t use it, but the only time I hear it mentioned is when a WISP customer calls complaining about WiFi calling, usually dropped or one-way calls, but that everything else on their Internet connection is fine.  For whatever reason, they usually seem to have a Sprint phone.  My conclusion was that WiFi calling must not be very reliable, so please stop calling your ISP about it.  It seems like people were using it at their house rather than get a microcell.
 
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 3:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use
 
Whatever you do, be sure to explore your options. A friend who just spent 3 weeks in Australia & had not really looked into the options spent $10/day for cell service while there. 21 x $10 =$210. I guess that's not horrible, but I tend to think about what else I might have wanted to spend that money on.

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On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 1:17 PM Trey Scarborough  wrote:




I have T-mobile one account and use whatsapp mainly. Everywhere I have 
been the included international roaming data connection has worked 
descent enough with Whatsapp that I really never looked at any other 
options. The additional I pay for the One on top of the regular service 
would probably equal the same as what it would be for a couple of sim 
cards and service.

On 1/24/2019 2:38 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
> I know Chuck has been overseas and maybe some of you others have been
> recently.   Last  time  I was overseas there were no cell phones.  I'm
> trying to figure out my best option for cell phone usage.
>
> So  far  looks  like  my best option is to get a data only sim and use
> whatsapp.   That  seems  to be working fine for my daughter right now.
> We are able to communicate with no issues.
>
> When  I  connect to WiFi, I should be able to use WiFi calling with my
> current  number  to  call  back  to the states if needed.  In the past
> using WiFi calling, seems that texts will work also.
>
> So,  here  is the crazy part.  If I get a data only SIM, there will be
> no voice connection.  Almost like my phone being in airplane mode, but
> with  data  enabled.  Will the WiFi calling work on the data only plan?
> Will  it  detect  I  have  data,  but  no  voice and fail over to WiFi
> calling.
>
> Anybody ever try this?
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>   Mark                          mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.MyakkaTech.com
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

[SmarterBroadband]

I think PRO drives have many more writes.

Talking Samsung….

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 9:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

 

The only issue with SSDs is the write endurance, and most of them now have a 
certain percentage of spare cells to stave that off for a while. They generally 
won't go toes up all at once, but will lose cells, or blocks of cells at some 
point. You will get more endurance if you oversize them to minimize cell 
re-use. If you think you need 1TB, get 2TB, and it will cut cell re-use by 50%.

 

Way, way faster. 




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On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 9:03 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com> > wrote:

Setting  up  a  new server and trying to decide if I want to go SSD vs
HDD.   This  is  a dell R620 and uses 2.5" drives.  Last one I setup I
just  used  1TB  WD  RED  2.5"  drives.  Now that the price of SDD has
dropped,  I  was  thinking  about using SSD over the HDD.  Most likely
going to be a Ubuntu system with linux SW raid 10.

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Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

[SmarterBroadband]

I have ATT and do the $10 a day thing.   It then uses whatever plan you have
in the USA for calls and data.   
I like to have a working phone and data.  
Make calls, send texts, use nav, all easy and no worries.
Adam 

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka
Technologies
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 12:39 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

I know Chuck has been overseas and maybe some of you others have been
recently.   Last  time  I was overseas there were no cell phones.  I'm
trying to figure out my best option for cell phone usage.

So  far  looks  like  my best option is to get a data only sim and use
whatsapp.   That  seems  to be working fine for my daughter right now.
We are able to communicate with no issues.

When  I  connect to WiFi, I should be able to use WiFi calling with my
current  number  to  call  back  to the states if needed.  In the past using
WiFi calling, seems that texts will work also.

So,  here  is the crazy part.  If I get a data only SIM, there will be no
voice connection.  Almost like my phone being in airplane mode, but with
data  enabled.  Will the WiFi calling work on the data only plan?
Will  it  detect  I  have  data,  but  no  voice and fail over to WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

[Joe Novak]

Use wifi calling all the time now with Google Fi. Work, home, everywhere.
It roams on and off it pretty damn well too.  My experience with Verizon's
implementation left a lot to be desired because they mostly preferred the
cell phone network, even when you obviously didn't have a reliable
connection.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 3:51 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Somebody mentioned WiFi calling, does that really work OK for you, even
> domestically?
>
>
>
> I don’t use it, but the only time I hear it mentioned is when a WISP
> customer calls complaining about WiFi calling, usually dropped or one-way
> calls, but that everything else on their Internet connection is fine.  For
> whatever reason, they usually seem to have a Sprint phone.  My conclusion
> was that WiFi calling must not be very reliable, so please stop calling
> your ISP about it.  It seems like people were using it at their house
> rather than get a microcell.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 24, 2019 3:26 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use
>
>
>
> Whatever you do, be sure to explore your options. A friend who just spent
> 3 weeks in Australia & had not really looked into the options spent $10/day
> for cell service while there. 21 x $10 =$210. I guess that's not horrible,
> but I tend to think about what else I might have wanted to spend that money
> on.
>
>
> --
>
> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 1:17 PM Trey Scarborough  wrote:
>
> I have T-mobile one account and use whatsapp mainly. Everywhere I have
> been the included international roaming data connection has worked
> descent enough with Whatsapp that I really never looked at any other
> options. The additional I pay for the One on top of the regular service
> would probably equal the same as what it would be for a couple of sim
> cards and service.
>
> On 1/24/2019 2:38 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
> > I know Chuck has been overseas and maybe some of you others have been
> > recently.   Last  time  I was overseas there were no cell phones.  I'm
> > trying to figure out my best option for cell phone usage.
> >
> > So  far  looks  like  my best option is to get a data only sim and use
> > whatsapp.   That  seems  to be working fine for my daughter right now.
> > We are able to communicate with no issues.
> >
> > When  I  connect to WiFi, I should be able to use WiFi calling with my
> > current  number  to  call  back  to the states if needed.  In the past
> > using WiFi calling, seems that texts will work also.
> >
> > So,  here  is the crazy part.  If I get a data only SIM, there will be
> > no voice connection.  Almost like my phone being in airplane mode, but
> > with  data  enabled.  Will the WiFi calling work on the data only plan?
> > Will  it  detect  I  have  data,  but  no  voice and fail over to WiFi
> > calling.
> >
> > Anybody ever try this?
> >
> > --
> >
> > Thanks,
> >   Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> >
> > Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> > www.MyakkaTech.com
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Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

[Ken Hohhof]

Somebody mentioned WiFi calling, does that really work OK for you, even 
domestically?

 

I don’t use it, but the only time I hear it mentioned is when a WISP customer 
calls complaining about WiFi calling, usually dropped or one-way calls, but 
that everything else on their Internet connection is fine.  For whatever 
reason, they usually seem to have a Sprint phone.  My conclusion was that WiFi 
calling must not be very reliable, so please stop calling your ISP about it.  
It seems like people were using it at their house rather than get a microcell.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 3:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

 

Whatever you do, be sure to explore your options. A friend who just spent 3 
weeks in Australia & had not really looked into the options spent $10/day for 
cell service while there. 21 x $10 =$210. I guess that's not horrible, but I 
tend to think about what else I might have wanted to spend that money on.




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On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 1:17 PM Trey Scarborough mailto:t...@3dsc.co> > wrote:

I have T-mobile one account and use whatsapp mainly. Everywhere I have 
been the included international roaming data connection has worked 
descent enough with Whatsapp that I really never looked at any other 
options. The additional I pay for the One on top of the regular service 
would probably equal the same as what it would be for a couple of sim 
cards and service.

On 1/24/2019 2:38 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
> I know Chuck has been overseas and maybe some of you others have been
> recently.   Last  time  I was overseas there were no cell phones.  I'm
> trying to figure out my best option for cell phone usage.
>
> So  far  looks  like  my best option is to get a data only sim and use
> whatsapp.   That  seems  to be working fine for my daughter right now.
> We are able to communicate with no issues.
>
> When  I  connect to WiFi, I should be able to use WiFi calling with my
> current  number  to  call  back  to the states if needed.  In the past
> using WiFi calling, seems that texts will work also.
>
> So,  here  is the crazy part.  If I get a data only SIM, there will be
> no voice connection.  Almost like my phone being in airplane mode, but
> with  data  enabled.  Will the WiFi calling work on the data only plan?
> Will  it  detect  I  have  data,  but  no  voice and fail over to WiFi
> calling.
>
> Anybody ever try this?
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>   Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>  
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.MyakkaTech.com  
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Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use


Bill,

Yeah, that's verizon's pay as you go rate. $10/day adds up quick.  Doing some research, I can get some European data only sim's for about $35 for 30 days with about 8GB of data.  8GB should be good enough for keeping up to date with whatsapp and basic web surfing.
Guess I can check my voicemail and get texts on my main number when I'm near WiFi.  I do have a Boingo account I rarely use.  I think they have an App the will detect and automatically connect to their hotspots. Thinking between that, public WiFi and a data only SIM, I should be reachable most of the time.  


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Whatever you do, be sure to explore your options. A friend who just spent 3 weeks in Australia & had not really looked into the options spent $10/day for cell service while there. 21 x $10 =$210. I guess that's not horrible, but I tend to think about what else I might have wanted to spend that money on.

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On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 1:17 PM Trey Scarborough  wrote:




I have T-mobile one account and use whatsapp mainly. Everywhere I have 
been the included international roaming data connection has worked 
descent enough with Whatsapp that I really never looked at any other 
options. The additional I pay for the One on top of the regular service 
would probably equal the same as what it would be for a couple of sim 
cards and service.

On 1/24/2019 2:38 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
> I know Chuck has been overseas and maybe some of you others have been
> recently.   Last  time  I was overseas there were no cell phones.  I'm
> trying to figure out my best option for cell phone usage.
>
> So  far  looks  like  my best option is to get a data only sim and use
> whatsapp.   That  seems  to be working fine for my daughter right now.
> We are able to communicate with no issues.
>
> When  I  connect to WiFi, I should be able to use WiFi calling with my
> current  number  to  call  back  to the states if needed.  In the past
> using WiFi calling, seems that texts will work also.
>
> So,  here  is the crazy part.  If I get a data only SIM, there will be
> no voice connection.  Almost like my phone being in airplane mode, but
> with  data  enabled.  Will the WiFi calling work on the data only plan?
> Will  it  detect  I  have  data,  but  no  voice and fail over to WiFi
> calling.
>
> Anybody ever try this?
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>   Mark                          mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.MyakkaTech.com
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Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

[Bill Prince]

Whatever you do, be sure to explore your options. A friend who just spent 3
weeks in Australia & had not really looked into the options spent $10/day
for cell service while there. 21 x $10 =$210. I guess that's not horrible,
but I tend to think about what else I might have wanted to spend that money
on.

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On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 1:17 PM Trey Scarborough  wrote:

> I have T-mobile one account and use whatsapp mainly. Everywhere I have
> been the included international roaming data connection has worked
> descent enough with Whatsapp that I really never looked at any other
> options. The additional I pay for the One on top of the regular service
> would probably equal the same as what it would be for a couple of sim
> cards and service.
>
> On 1/24/2019 2:38 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
> > I know Chuck has been overseas and maybe some of you others have been
> > recently.   Last  time  I was overseas there were no cell phones.  I'm
> > trying to figure out my best option for cell phone usage.
> >
> > So  far  looks  like  my best option is to get a data only sim and use
> > whatsapp.   That  seems  to be working fine for my daughter right now.
> > We are able to communicate with no issues.
> >
> > When  I  connect to WiFi, I should be able to use WiFi calling with my
> > current  number  to  call  back  to the states if needed.  In the past
> > using WiFi calling, seems that texts will work also.
> >
> > So,  here  is the crazy part.  If I get a data only SIM, there will be
> > no voice connection.  Almost like my phone being in airplane mode, but
> > with  data  enabled.  Will the WiFi calling work on the data only plan?
> > Will  it  detect  I  have  data,  but  no  voice and fail over to WiFi
> > calling.
> >
> > Anybody ever try this?
> >
> > --
> >
> > Thanks,
> >   Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> >
> > Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> > www.MyakkaTech.com
> >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

[Trey Scarborough]

I have T-mobile one account and use whatsapp mainly. Everywhere I have 
been the included international roaming data connection has worked 
descent enough with Whatsapp that I really never looked at any other 
options. The additional I pay for the One on top of the regular service 
would probably equal the same as what it would be for a couple of sim 
cards and service.


On 1/24/2019 2:38 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

I know Chuck has been overseas and maybe some of you others have been
recently.   Last  time  I was overseas there were no cell phones.  I'm
trying to figure out my best option for cell phone usage.

So  far  looks  like  my best option is to get a data only sim and use
whatsapp.   That  seems  to be working fine for my daughter right now.
We are able to communicate with no issues.

When  I  connect to WiFi, I should be able to use WiFi calling with my
current  number  to  call  back  to the states if needed.  In the past
using WiFi calling, seems that texts will work also.

So,  here  is the crazy part.  If I get a data only SIM, there will be
no voice connection.  Almost like my phone being in airplane mode, but
with  data  enabled.  Will the WiFi calling work on the data only plan?
Will  it  detect  I  have  data,  but  no  voice and fail over to WiFi
calling.

Anybody ever try this?

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Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

[chuck]

I just use my iPhone with its AT account.  I call AT and have them turn 
on international calling.  Never had a problem.


International data is spendy.

-Original Message- 
From: Mark - Myakka Technologies

Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 1:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

I know Chuck has been overseas and maybe some of you others have been
recently.   Last  time  I was overseas there were no cell phones.  I'm
trying to figure out my best option for cell phone usage.

So  far  looks  like  my best option is to get a data only sim and use
whatsapp.   That  seems  to be working fine for my daughter right now.
We are able to communicate with no issues.

When  I  connect to WiFi, I should be able to use WiFi calling with my
current  number  to  call  back  to the states if needed.  In the past
using WiFi calling, seems that texts will work also.

So,  here  is the crazy part.  If I get a data only SIM, there will be
no voice connection.  Almost like my phone being in airplane mode, but
with  data  enabled.  Will the WiFi calling work on the data only plan?
Will  it  detect  I  have  data,  but  no  voice and fail over to WiFi
calling.

Anybody ever try this?

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Re: [AFMUG] International cell phone use

[Mike Hammett]

Move to Google Fi and you can large be done with worrying about international 
phone usage. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 2:38:48 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] International cell phone use 

I know Chuck has been overseas and maybe some of you others have been 
recently. Last time I was overseas there were no cell phones. I'm 
trying to figure out my best option for cell phone usage. 

So far looks like my best option is to get a data only sim and use 
whatsapp. That seems to be working fine for my daughter right now. 
We are able to communicate with no issues. 

When I connect to WiFi, I should be able to use WiFi calling with my 
current number to call back to the states if needed. In the past 
using WiFi calling, seems that texts will work also. 

So, here is the crazy part. If I get a data only SIM, there will be 
no voice connection. Almost like my phone being in airplane mode, but 
with data enabled. Will the WiFi calling work on the data only plan? 
Will it detect I have data, but no voice and fail over to WiFi 
calling. 

Anybody ever try this? 

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[AFMUG] International cell phone use

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

I know Chuck has been overseas and maybe some of you others have been
recently.   Last  time  I was overseas there were no cell phones.  I'm
trying to figure out my best option for cell phone usage.

So  far  looks  like  my best option is to get a data only sim and use
whatsapp.   That  seems  to be working fine for my daughter right now.
We are able to communicate with no issues.

When  I  connect to WiFi, I should be able to use WiFi calling with my
current  number  to  call  back  to the states if needed.  In the past
using WiFi calling, seems that texts will work also.

So,  here  is the crazy part.  If I get a data only SIM, there will be
no voice connection.  Almost like my phone being in airplane mode, but
with  data  enabled.  Will the WiFi calling work on the data only plan?
Will  it  detect  I  have  data,  but  no  voice and fail over to WiFi
calling.

Anybody ever try this?

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Re: [AFMUG] Is there a term for accessing an IRU in the middle?

[Tim Withrow via AF]

Most describe it as breaking  into it, or opening it midspan
On Thursday, January 24, 2019 Chris Fabien  wrote:
"Access to strands at any existing splice point or slack storage"
Expect to pay for their splicer to come do the splices for you. 
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 1:16 PM Erich Kaiser  wrote:

They already have a closure there, so I think it's already been ring 
cut.  Just need them to add a pigtail in the middle.

.I think I just answered my own question.  Thanks..



On 1/24/2019 1:03 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Ring cut?
>
> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, January 
> 24, 2019 10:48 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Is there a term 
> for accessing an IRU in the middle?
> I want to request an IRU where we pigtail out of one of their splice 
> cases somewhere in between the A and Z end.
>
> I want to stick an OADM in the middle to serve just one or two 
> properties that happen to lie in the middle of the run.  So I'll need 
> them to cut their two fibers, splice 4 times into a pigtail that goes 
> to my enclosure.  In my closure I loop those fibers through the East 
> and West ends of a MUX.
>
> Is there a term I should use for this so I sound like I know what I'm 
> asking for?
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Re: [AFMUG] Is there a term for accessing an IRU in the middle?

[Chris Fabien]

"Access to strands at any existing splice point or slack storage"

Expect to pay for their splicer to come do the splices for you.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 1:16 PM Erich Kaiser  Existing Splice Point.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:11 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> They already have a closure there, so I think it's already been ring
>> cut.  Just need them to add a pigtail in the middle.
>>
>> .I think I just answered my own question.  Thanks..
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/24/2019 1:03 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> > Ring cut?
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, January
>> > 24, 2019 10:48 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Is there a term
>> > for accessing an IRU in the middle?
>> > I want to request an IRU where we pigtail out of one of their splice
>> > cases somewhere in between the A and Z end.
>> >
>> > I want to stick an OADM in the middle to serve just one or two
>> > properties that happen to lie in the middle of the run.  So I'll need
>> > them to cut their two fibers, splice 4 times into a pigtail that goes
>> > to my enclosure.  In my closure I loop those fibers through the East
>> > and West ends of a MUX.
>> >
>> > Is there a term I should use for this so I sound like I know what I'm
>> > asking for?
>> >
>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] I did it

[Bill Prince]

Doing the PDFs yes. The Windows 10 thing is too non-specific to say. Chrome
OS has evolved into a VM host kind of environment, and you can do more with
it than most people realize. Overall, it is mainly simpler and less fiddly
than Windows 10, or even a Mac for that matter. It is also faster doing
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On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:07 AM  wrote:

> I don’t know anything about Chromebooks.
>
> I need the ability to pull pdfs off of the OTDR, edit the PDF with Adobe
> (combine individual fiber test reports into a consolidated report), the
> write that to a jump drive.  And we want to use a regular keyboard and
> mouse.  And run windows 10 etc.  Can a Chromebook do all of that?
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 24, 2019 11:00 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I did it
>
>
> My chromebook from power on to ready to use is about 8 seconds. Takes me
> longer to type my password.
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>
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 4:40 PM  wrote:
>
>> This is the mini computer I selected for my splicing trailer.  Boots to
>> the
>> login screen in about 15 seconds, fully logged in and ready to go in
>> about
>> 45 seconds.  Took a while to config Win 10 but really was simple and
>> easy.
>> Nothing out of the ordinary.  Not sure if I can power it off of the usb
>> on
>> the monitor or not.  If so that will be a plus.
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Re: [AFMUG] I did it

[Adam Moffett]

Chromebook is just a laptop running Android.
They are cheap, simple, and fastbut if you need something that runs 
on Windows then you're SOL.


-Adam


On 1/24/2019 1:06 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I don’t know anything about Chromebooks.
I need the ability to pull pdfs off of the OTDR, edit the PDF with 
Adobe (combine individual fiber test reports into a consolidated 
report), the write that to a jump drive.  And we want to use a regular 
keyboard and mouse.  And run windows 10 etc.  Can a Chromebook do all 
of that?

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, January 24, 2019 11:00 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I did it
My chromebook from power on to ready to use is about 8 seconds. Takes 
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On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 4:40 PM  wrote:

This is the mini computer I selected for my splicing trailer. 
Boots to the
login screen in about 15 seconds, fully logged in and ready to go
in about
45 seconds.  Took a while to config Win 10 but really was simple
and easy.
Nothing out of the ordinary.  Not sure if I can power it off of
the usb on
the monitor or not.  If so that will be a plus.

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Re: [AFMUG] Is there a term for accessing an IRU in the middle?

[Erich Kaiser]

Existing Splice Point.






On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:11 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> They already have a closure there, so I think it's already been ring
> cut.  Just need them to add a pigtail in the middle.
>
> .I think I just answered my own question.  Thanks..
>
>
>
> On 1/24/2019 1:03 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Ring cut?
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, January
> > 24, 2019 10:48 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Is there a term
> > for accessing an IRU in the middle?
> > I want to request an IRU where we pigtail out of one of their splice
> > cases somewhere in between the A and Z end.
> >
> > I want to stick an OADM in the middle to serve just one or two
> > properties that happen to lie in the middle of the run.  So I'll need
> > them to cut their two fibers, splice 4 times into a pigtail that goes
> > to my enclosure.  In my closure I loop those fibers through the East
> > and West ends of a MUX.
> >
> > Is there a term I should use for this so I sound like I know what I'm
> > asking for?
> >
> >
>
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Re: [AFMUG] I did it

[chuck]

I don’t know anything about Chromebooks.  

I need the ability to pull pdfs off of the OTDR, edit the PDF with Adobe 
(combine individual fiber test reports into a consolidated report), the write 
that to a jump drive.  And we want to use a regular keyboard and mouse.  And 
run windows 10 etc.  Can a Chromebook do all of that?

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 11:00 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I did it


My chromebook from power on to ready to use is about 8 seconds. Takes me longer 
to type my password.  

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On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 4:40 PM  wrote:

  This is the mini computer I selected for my splicing trailer.  Boots to the 
  login screen in about 15 seconds, fully logged in and ready to go in about 
  45 seconds.  Took a while to config Win 10 but really was simple and easy. 
  Nothing out of the ordinary.  Not sure if I can power it off of the usb on 
  the monitor or not.  If so that will be a plus.

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Re: [AFMUG] I did it

[Bill Prince]

My chromebook from power on to ready to use is about 8 seconds. Takes me
longer to type my password.

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On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 4:40 PM  wrote:

> This is the mini computer I selected for my splicing trailer.  Boots to
> the
> login screen in about 15 seconds, fully logged in and ready to go in about
> 45 seconds.  Took a while to config Win 10 but really was simple and easy.
> Nothing out of the ordinary.  Not sure if I can power it off of the usb on
> the monitor or not.  If so that will be a plus.
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Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

[Bill Prince]

The only issue with SSDs is the write endurance, and most of them now have
a certain percentage of spare cells to stave that off for a while. They
generally won't go toes up all at once, but will lose cells, or blocks of
cells at some point. You will get more endurance if you oversize them to
minimize cell re-use. If you think you need 1TB, get 2TB, and it will cut
cell re-use by 50%.

Way, way faster.

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wrote:

> Setting  up  a  new server and trying to decide if I want to go SSD vs
> HDD.   This  is  a dell R620 and uses 2.5" drives.  Last one I setup I
> just  used  1TB  WD  RED  2.5"  drives.  Now that the price of SDD has
> dropped,  I  was  thinking  about using SSD over the HDD.  Most likely
> going to be a Ubuntu system with linux SW raid 10.
>
> Any reason not to go with the SSD?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

[Joe Novak]

Something fun I remembered reading a few years ago, I wonder if anyone has
ran a test like this again?

https://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 11:44 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Not unless the alternative is hot-plug SAS drives.  I like being able to
> notice the red light on a failed drive and just pop in a spare, not sure if
> there is an equivalent method with SSDs.  Also not sure if you  can get the
> SMART stats from an SSD, or how much that is worth, since I’ve never done
> that.
>
>
>
> But I have a webserver that is maybe 3-4 years old that was built with
> SSDs and have had no problems.  I think they were Samsung 850 PRO drives.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 24, 2019 11:17 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD
>
>
>
> Nope.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:03 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Setting  up  a  new server and trying to decide if I want to go SSD vs
> HDD.   This  is  a dell R620 and uses 2.5" drives.  Last one I setup I
> just  used  1TB  WD  RED  2.5"  drives.  Now that the price of SDD has
> dropped,  I  was  thinking  about using SSD over the HDD.  Most likely
> going to be a Ubuntu system with linux SW raid 10.
>
> Any reason not to go with the SSD?
>
>
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[AFMUG] Is there a term for accessing an IRU in the middle?

[Adam Moffett]

I want to request an IRU where we pigtail out of one of their splice 
cases somewhere in between the A and Z end.


I want to stick an OADM in the middle to serve just one or two 
properties that happen to lie in the middle of the run.  So I'll need 
them to cut their two fibers, splice 4 times into a pigtail that goes to 
my enclosure.  In my closure I loop those fibers through the East and 
West ends of a MUX.


Is there a term I should use for this so I sound like I know what I'm 
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Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

[Ken Hohhof]

Not unless the alternative is hot-plug SAS drives.  I like being able to notice 
the red light on a failed drive and just pop in a spare, not sure if there is 
an equivalent method with SSDs.  Also not sure if you  can get the SMART stats 
from an SSD, or how much that is worth, since I’ve never done that.

 

But I have a webserver that is maybe 3-4 years old that was built with SSDs and 
have had no problems.  I think they were Samsung 850 PRO drives.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 11:17 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

 

Nope.

 

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:03 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com> > wrote:

Setting  up  a  new server and trying to decide if I want to go SSD vs
HDD.   This  is  a dell R620 and uses 2.5" drives.  Last one I setup I
just  used  1TB  WD  RED  2.5"  drives.  Now that the price of SDD has
dropped,  I  was  thinking  about using SSD over the HDD.  Most likely
going to be a Ubuntu system with linux SW raid 10.

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Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

[Adam Moffett]

Write endurance is still a thing.  Just be sure to compare specs. DWPD 
is the simple number to go by.  If they don't publish a DWPD on the spec 
sheet that probably means you don't want to know.


-Adam


On 1/24/2019 12:02 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

Setting  up  a  new server and trying to decide if I want to go SSD vs
HDD.   This  is  a dell R620 and uses 2.5" drives.  Last one I setup I
just  used  1TB  WD  RED  2.5"  drives.  Now that the price of SDD has
dropped,  I  was  thinking  about using SSD over the HDD.  Most likely
going to be a Ubuntu system with linux SW raid 10.

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Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Um. Let me think.  NO, in fact, unless you need storage, SSDs are the way to 
go.  Just simply faster.  Not larger, heck I think they got 12tb drives out 
now, but still.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 11:17 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

Nope.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:03 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
Setting  up  a  new server and trying to decide if I want to go SSD vs
HDD.   This  is  a dell R620 and uses 2.5" drives.  Last one I setup I
just  used  1TB  WD  RED  2.5"  drives.  Now that the price of SDD has
dropped,  I  was  thinking  about using SSD over the HDD.  Most likely
going to be a Ubuntu system with linux SW raid 10.

Any reason not to go with the SSD?


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Re: [AFMUG] I did it

[SmarterBroadband]



-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 4:39 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] I did it

This is the mini computer I selected for my splicing trailer.  Boots to the 
login screen in about 15 seconds, fully logged in and ready to go in about
45 seconds.  Took a while to config Win 10 but really was simple and easy. 
Nothing out of the ordinary.  Not sure if I can power it off of the usb on the 
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Re: [AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

[Josh Baird]

Nope.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:03 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Setting  up  a  new server and trying to decide if I want to go SSD vs
> HDD.   This  is  a dell R620 and uses 2.5" drives.  Last one I setup I
> just  used  1TB  WD  RED  2.5"  drives.  Now that the price of SDD has
> dropped,  I  was  thinking  about using SSD over the HDD.  Most likely
> going to be a Ubuntu system with linux SW raid 10.
>
> Any reason not to go with the SSD?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App

[Sam Lambie]

Yep, LibreNMS makes me look smart. Thanks for the suggestions folks.

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 7:14 AM Steve  wrote:

> Librenms for the win.  It simply works.  The new alerting is coming along
> nicely too,  so it is "almost" getting into the territory where you could
> take cacti and nagios and combine them into one product.  However Librenms
> requires a lot of tweaking under the hood for RRD performance and depending
> on how many devices you have you'll need to host it on an SSD.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve Jones" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 3:01:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App
>
> I feel the same way. Librenms was easy, they offer it as an OVA, I had to
> convert it for ESX, but it was a cinch. I wont use applications that
> require me to be a webdude and database admin to operate it. believe me, if
> its simple enough for me to put in production, its worth it
>
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 11:09 AM David Coudron < [ mailto:
> david.coud...@advantenon.com | david.coud...@advantenon.com ] > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> We like the idea of distributed pollers and hosting through SaaS. We know
> we aren’t experts at building, backing up and managing servers and
> databases and would rather not have that responsibility. We can keep the
> poller appliances close to the monitored devices, but don’t need the
> aggregationreporting tool there. Once we own the hosting, we now own
> security of it, upgrades, backups, etc. Not the end of the world, but we’d
> rather spend our time building towers than running servers. However, given
> the importance of this function, this would be the one service we’d want to
> invest more time in rather than less if we have to.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
> From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] >
> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:55 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com |
> af@af.afmug.com ] >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App
>
>
>
>
>
> Challenge is that you'll have to host it? Having precise monitoring of
> your network is only possible on your network.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> [ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ]
> [ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [
> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [
> https://twitter.com/ICSIL ]
> [ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ]
> [ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [
> https://twitter.com/mdwestix ]
> [ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ]
> [ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg |
>
>
>  ]
>
>
>
> From: "David Coudron" < [ mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com |
> david.coud...@advantenon.com ] >
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com |
> af@af.afmug.com ] >
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:15:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App
>
> We are just in the process of doing the same thing. We had previously used
> Powercode for this, but had moved to Sonar hoping to improve some of these
> items. Unfortunately, we are finding a number of drawbacks with Sonar and
> need to augment Sonar with other items. We have stood up LibreNMS and
> believe this will give us the functionality we are looking for.
> Specifically, we think we can get the bandwidth usage numbers polled and
> graphed properly as well as control some of the annoying notification
> issues we have in Sonar. If you have some interest in talking more to see
> if the issues we faced are similar to what you are looking at, we can
> connect offlist.
>
>
>
> The challenge with LibreNMS is that you’ll have to host it. However, we
> are finding it to be pretty stable and customizable. That is where we are
> seeing challenges with Sonar. Sonar would also likely require you to move
> to their billing platform and so on. It does a pretty good job of that.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
> From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] >
> On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:05 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com |
> af@af.afmug.com ] >
> Subject: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring and Notification App
>
>
>
>
> Hey all,
>
>
>
>
>
> We are looking into building/installing a better network toolset at our
> NOC so we can get a better handle on where our bottlenecks are. Currently,
> we use a hodgepodge of Cacti, Ping, and Smokeping to keep an eye on our
> network. It's ok, but having to look at multiple places to get an idea of
> what is happening is cumbersome at best.
>
>
> What do you guys use to bring your 

[AFMUG] New server SSD vs HDD

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Setting  up  a  new server and trying to decide if I want to go SSD vs
HDD.   This  is  a dell R620 and uses 2.5" drives.  Last one I setup I
just  used  1TB  WD  RED  2.5"  drives.  Now that the price of SDD has
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC small cell order

[chuck]

https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-facilitates-wireless-infrastructure-deployment-5g

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 9:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC small cell order

Anybody got a link to the actual order, or at least a summary? I'd like to read 
it...


On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:38 AM  wrote:

  That was my memory of it too.  

  From: David Coudron 
  Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 9:25 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC small cell order

  Hi,



  From everything I am reading, it doesn’t differentiate between types of 
wireless equipment.   Size can’t exceed 3 cu feet for antenna or for 6 cu feet 
for multiple antennas.   Local government can enforce setbacks and some 
aesthetic items, but can’t say no.   Seems it include WISPs.



  However, that is just the summary information I could find.



  Regards,



  David Coudron







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  Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 9:20 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] FCC small cell order



  I have not read the order, or if I did it has been some time.  I know it 
essentially preempts local governments and allows cell sites on almost all 
power poles or something similar to that.  Is it broad enough that WISPS can 
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC small cell order

[Mathew Howard]

Anybody got a link to the actual order, or at least a summary? I'd like to
read it...

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:38 AM  wrote:

> That was my memory of it too.
>
> *From:* David Coudron
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 24, 2019 9:25 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC small cell order
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> From everything I am reading, it doesn’t differentiate between types of
> wireless equipment.   Size can’t exceed 3 cu feet for antenna or for 6 cu
> feet for multiple antennas.   Local government can enforce setbacks and
> some aesthetic items, but can’t say no.   Seems it include WISPs.
>
>
>
> However, that is just the summary information I could find.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 24, 2019 9:20 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] FCC small cell order
>
>
>
> I have not read the order, or if I did it has been some time.  I know it
> essentially preempts local governments and allows cell sites on almost all
> power poles or something similar to that.  Is it broad enough that WISPS
> can use it?  Seems like it was.
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC small cell order

[chuck]

That was my memory of it too.  

From: David Coudron 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 9:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC small cell order

Hi,

 

>From everything I am reading, it doesn’t differentiate between types of 
>wireless equipment.   Size can’t exceed 3 cu feet for antenna or for 6 cu feet 
>for multiple antennas.   Local government can enforce setbacks and some 
>aesthetic items, but can’t say no.   Seems it include WISPs.

 

However, that is just the summary information I could find.

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 9:20 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] FCC small cell order

 

I have not read the order, or if I did it has been some time.  I know it 
essentially preempts local governments and allows cell sites on almost all 
power poles or something similar to that.  Is it broad enough that WISPS can 
use it?  Seems like it was.  




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Re: [AFMUG] Propane Tank Remote Level Monitoring

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
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On 1/24/19 7:49 AM, Forrest Christian
  (List Account) wrote:


  
  Some are.  Others are hall effect sensors which
need 5v and output a voltage. 


I've had some customers hook up the output of
  these to a voltmeter or shunt input with reasonable results.  
   What I've had in the queue is a module set up specifically
  for these sensors and which reports percent directly.
  
  
  
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 7:29 AM Chuck McCown 
  wrote:
  


  
Holy cow, it looks like I should get
  around to finishing up the $59+sensor ($50ish) add-on
  module for the sitemonitor system
  
  
  Didn't realize these were so expensive.



  On Wed, Jan
23, 2019 at 8:48 PM Sean Heskett 
wrote:
  
  

  This is what you are looking for. 
We have 4 of them and love them.



Generac 7005 Propane Tank (LP) Fuel
  Level Monitor - WiFi enabled https://www.amazon.com/dp/B072KJBLV2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_cqtsCbZ22K84X



The only down side is it has to
  connect to a 2.4ghz SSID with no security
  enabled.  So we engineered the WiFi AP to only
  accept that MAC address and only hand out 1 ip to
  that device and then fire walled everything so the
  monitor could only talk to their cloud.  Basically
  the device has a battery in it and it turns on
  once a day for a minute and pushes its data to the
  cloud so you can access it on their free AP or
  website.


-Sean



  
On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 8:40 PM
  Jesse DuPont 
  wrote:


   What solutions exist
to monitor propane tank levels remotely?
I've got an off-grid site with three 100
gallon tanks. The propane guy setup the
manifold such that the tanks should drain
sequentially, but I'd like to
monitoring/chart them remotely. Each tank
has a R3D gauge, but not sure what sensor to
plug into them.
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[AFMUG] FCC small cell order

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I have not read the order, or if I did it has been some time.  I know it 
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power poles or something similar to that.  Is it broad enough that WISPS can 
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Re: [AFMUG] Propane Tank Remote Level Monitoring

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Some are.  Others are hall effect sensors which need 5v and output a
voltage.

I've had some customers hook up the output of these to a voltmeter or shunt
input with reasonable results.What I've had in the queue is a module
set up specifically for these sensors and which reports percent directly.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 7:29 AM Chuck McCown  It it not just a 0-200ohm sensor?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 23, 2019, at 11:04 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> Holy cow, it looks like I should get around to finishing up the $59+sensor
> ($50ish) add-on module for the sitemonitor system
>
> Didn't realize these were so expensive.
>
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 8:48 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> This is what you are looking for.  We have 4 of them and love them.
>>
>> Generac 7005 Propane Tank (LP) Fuel Level Monitor - WiFi enabled
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B072KJBLV2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_cqtsCbZ22K84X
>>
>> The only down side is it has to connect to a 2.4ghz SSID with no security
>> enabled.  So we engineered the WiFi AP to only accept that MAC address and
>> only hand out 1 ip to that device and then fire walled everything so the
>> monitor could only talk to their cloud.  Basically the device has a battery
>> in it and it turns on once a day for a minute and pushes its data to the
>> cloud so you can access it on their free AP or website.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 8:40 PM Jesse DuPont <
>> jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> wrote:
>>
>>> What solutions exist to monitor propane tank levels remotely? I've got
>>> an off-grid site with three 100 gallon tanks. The propane guy setup the
>>> manifold such that the tanks should drain sequentially, but I'd like to
>>> monitoring/chart them remotely. Each tank has a R3D gauge, but not sure
>>> what sensor to plug into them.
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Re: [AFMUG] Propane Tank Remote Level Monitoring

[Chuck McCown]

It it not just a 0-200ohm sensor?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 23, 2019, at 11:04 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Holy cow, it looks like I should get around to finishing up the $59+sensor 
> ($50ish) add-on module for the sitemonitor system
> 
> Didn't realize these were so expensive.
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 8:48 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>> This is what you are looking for.  We have 4 of them and love them.
>> 
>> Generac 7005 Propane Tank (LP) Fuel Level Monitor - WiFi enabled 
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B072KJBLV2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_cqtsCbZ22K84X
>> 
>> The only down side is it has to connect to a 2.4ghz SSID with no security 
>> enabled.  So we engineered the WiFi AP to only accept that MAC address and 
>> only hand out 1 ip to that device and then fire walled everything so the 
>> monitor could only talk to their cloud.  Basically the device has a battery 
>> in it and it turns on once a day for a minute and pushes its data to the 
>> cloud so you can access it on their free AP or website.
>> 
>> -Sean
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 8:40 PM Jesse DuPont 
>>>  wrote:
>>> What solutions exist to monitor propane tank levels remotely? I've got an 
>>> off-grid site with three 100 gallon tanks. The propane guy setup the 
>>> manifold such that the tanks should drain sequentially, but I'd like to 
>>> monitoring/chart them remotely. Each tank has a R3D gauge, but not sure 
>>> what sensor to plug into them.
>>> -- 
>>> Jesse DuPont
>>> 
>>> Network Architect
>>> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
>>> Celerity Networks LLC
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