date:20190328

First of all, February was just last month.  And he posted to his Facebook page 
as recently as today, so apparently he’s doing fine.  Or if he was abducted by 
aliens, they left a doppelganger android in his place a la Last Starfighter.  
FYI he has some nice photos on his FB page, work sites, grandkids, etc.

 

https://www.facebook.com/jaime.solorza.35

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 8:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT] Mexican-style bean "filling"

 

I think something happenned to jaime, hes been gone since feb

 

 

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 6:35 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

I have a similar problem when trying to do refried beans, or pretty
much any "mexican" dish which uses beans.  (Dip, Just a side of
refried or black/pinto beans, "Mission Style" burritos, etc.).   I
just haven't found the right mixture/method to get them flavored
nicely with that flavor we all associate with beans cooked for this
purpose.

And no, not giving up meat for lent, just tend to be less of a meat
eater than most.  Although some nice Beef Barbacoa or similar type
"shredded beef" is a favorite of mine.

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 5:26 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:
>
> Part of the problem might be that burritos are not really Mexican, maybe they 
> are “Tex-Mex” or “Mexican Fusion”.
>
>
>
> Personally I’d prefer tacos al pastor and black beans on the side.  Are you 
> giving up meat for Lent?  Be sure to pick up some Beano.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On 
> Behalf Of Cameron Crum
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:08 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT] Mexican-style bean "filling"
>
>
>
> Jaime, Jaime, paging Jaime.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 5:23 PM Bill Prince   > wrote:
>
> Not exactly what you're looking for, but I recently saw a recipe for 
> "Backyard BBQ Beans" on Cook's  Country. It was not exactly a "beans for 
> burrito" kind of dish, but it looked killer.
>
>
>
> They took regular baked beans plus some some cannellini beans plus pinto 
> beans. However, they mixed in bratwurst, bacon and several other things. 
> During the prep they claimed that the secret ingredient was liquid smoke. 
> Other than the fact that the recipe was huge, it looked pretty darn tasty.
>
>
>
> --
>
> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 3:11 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:
>
> Hoping Jaime or someone else can help me...
>
> I occasionally have the need for a mexican-style bean filling recipe -
> typically to be used as filling for a burrito or similar.So far,
> all of my attempts have turned out to not even be close to what I'm
> looking for.
>
> Originally the recipes I found ended up tasting more like what you'd
> have if you blended homemade american chili...  i.e. predominantly
> chili powder and related spices.
>
> Then there's the mix some sort of canned beans with some sort of
> tomato-heavy salsa recipes.  No thank you.
>
> I tried a bit with cooking dry beans + onions + peppers in a pot,
> seemed to recall that was the most like what I wanted, but never could
> get it to the right mix for some reason.  It's been a while since I
> experimented with this - and this is probably where I'd try again
> absent another recommendation.
>
> Nowadays the 'healthy food' movement seems to have taken over any bean
> dish and you end up with crap like "Vegan Black Beans" with all sorts
> of weird stuff in them.
>
> So I'm hopeful that someone on here has come up with a good,
> flavorful, recipe.   The ones I've tasted elsewhere tend to have a
> nice mild pepper flavor without being overpowering or too hot.  And by
> pepper I mean either a bell pepper flavor or maybe some of the milder
> chili peppers.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] [OT] Mexican-style bean "filling"

Ruh row...

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On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 6:52 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I think something happenned to jaime, hes been gone since feb
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 6:35 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a similar problem when trying to do refried beans, or pretty
>> much any "mexican" dish which uses beans.  (Dip, Just a side of
>> refried or black/pinto beans, "Mission Style" burritos, etc.).   I
>> just haven't found the right mixture/method to get them flavored
>> nicely with that flavor we all associate with beans cooked for this
>> purpose.
>>
>> And no, not giving up meat for lent, just tend to be less of a meat
>> eater than most.  Although some nice Beef Barbacoa or similar type
>> "shredded beef" is a favorite of mine.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 5:26 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> >
>> > Part of the problem might be that burritos are not really Mexican,
>> maybe they are “Tex-Mex” or “Mexican Fusion”.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Personally I’d prefer tacos al pastor and black beans on the side.  Are
>> you giving up meat for Lent?  Be sure to pick up some Beano.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:08 PM
>> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT] Mexican-style bean "filling"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Jaime, Jaime, paging Jaime.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 5:23 PM Bill Prince 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Not exactly what you're looking for, but I recently saw a recipe for
>> "Backyard BBQ Beans" on Cook's  Country. It was not exactly a "beans for
>> burrito" kind of dish, but it looked killer.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > They took regular baked beans plus some some cannellini beans plus
>> pinto beans. However, they mixed in bratwurst, bacon and several other
>> things. During the prep they claimed that the secret ingredient was liquid
>> smoke. Other than the fact that the recipe was huge, it looked pretty darn
>> tasty.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > bp
>> >
>> > part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 3:11 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hoping Jaime or someone else can help me...
>> >
>> > I occasionally have the need for a mexican-style bean filling recipe -
>> > typically to be used as filling for a burrito or similar.So far,
>> > all of my attempts have turned out to not even be close to what I'm
>> > looking for.
>> >
>> > Originally the recipes I found ended up tasting more like what you'd
>> > have if you blended homemade american chili...  i.e. predominantly
>> > chili powder and related spices.
>> >
>> > Then there's the mix some sort of canned beans with some sort of
>> > tomato-heavy salsa recipes.  No thank you.
>> >
>> > I tried a bit with cooking dry beans + onions + peppers in a pot,
>> > seemed to recall that was the most like what I wanted, but never could
>> > get it to the right mix for some reason.  It's been a while since I
>> > experimented with this - and this is probably where I'd try again
>> > absent another recommendation.
>> >
>> > Nowadays the 'healthy food' movement seems to have taken over any bean
>> > dish and you end up with crap like "Vegan Black Beans" with all sorts
>> > of weird stuff in them.
>> >
>> > So I'm hopeful that someone on here has come up with a good,
>> > flavorful, recipe.   The ones I've tasted elsewhere tend to have a
>> > nice mild pepper flavor without being overpowering or too hot.  And by
>> > pepper I mean either a bell pepper flavor or maybe some of the milder
>> > chili peppers.
>> >
>> > --
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Re: [AFMUG] mac books

Start the Files tool, click on the 3 dots in the top right corner, and
click "add a new service". SMB shares will be one of the many choices (NFS
is in there too, not to mention a few others).

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On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 6:41 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> How?
>
> On Mar 28, 2019, at 9:19 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>
> As of ChromeOS 72, you can access SMB (AKA CIFS) shares. Samba is built in.
>
> --
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> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 5:28 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> How do you connect to a network share with a chrome book?
>>
>> We’ve found they are pretty good for the office staff - but seem to fall
>> apart when you’re trying to work with files.
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2019, at 8:19 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think he just likes apple.  He's making good moneyi did share the
>> refurb URL with him
>>
>> Thanks :)
>>
>> Sent from my smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Bill Prince" 
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] mac books
>> Date: Thu, Mar 28, 2019 5:11 PM
>>
>> Wondering since he's in a school why he wouldn't be interested in a
>> Chromebook. I've been using one of the new "mid range" Chromebooks now for
>> a few months, and it honestly does everything I need.
>>
>> --
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>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 2:26 PM CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> my nephew is having to replace his mac book.  a drink got spilt on it.
>>> not sure he's ever had to buy one as i'm pretty sure his parents purchased
>>> it
>>> for him while he was in school.  he's been teaching a while now.
>>>
>>> he's wondering if he really needs 16 gig.  price difference is a lot
>>> more - like $500-$600 more.
>>>
>>> says he is looking at $1800 for 16 gb ram and 512 gb storage.
>>>
>>> what does he need?
>>>
>>> who has the best prices?
>>> thanks. :)
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] [OT] Mexican-style bean "filling"

2019-03-28 Thread Steve Jones

I think something happenned to jaime, hes been gone since feb


On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 6:35 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I have a similar problem when trying to do refried beans, or pretty
> much any "mexican" dish which uses beans.  (Dip, Just a side of
> refried or black/pinto beans, "Mission Style" burritos, etc.).   I
> just haven't found the right mixture/method to get them flavored
> nicely with that flavor we all associate with beans cooked for this
> purpose.
>
> And no, not giving up meat for lent, just tend to be less of a meat
> eater than most.  Although some nice Beef Barbacoa or similar type
> "shredded beef" is a favorite of mine.
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 5:26 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> >
> > Part of the problem might be that burritos are not really Mexican, maybe
> they are “Tex-Mex” or “Mexican Fusion”.
> >
> >
> >
> > Personally I’d prefer tacos al pastor and black beans on the side.  Are
> you giving up meat for Lent?  Be sure to pick up some Beano.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
> > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:08 PM
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT] Mexican-style bean "filling"
> >
> >
> >
> > Jaime, Jaime, paging Jaime.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 5:23 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
> >
> > Not exactly what you're looking for, but I recently saw a recipe for
> "Backyard BBQ Beans" on Cook's  Country. It was not exactly a "beans for
> burrito" kind of dish, but it looked killer.
> >
> >
> >
> > They took regular baked beans plus some some cannellini beans plus pinto
> beans. However, they mixed in bratwurst, bacon and several other things.
> During the prep they claimed that the secret ingredient was liquid smoke.
> Other than the fact that the recipe was huge, it looked pretty darn tasty.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > bp
> >
> > part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 3:11 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hoping Jaime or someone else can help me...
> >
> > I occasionally have the need for a mexican-style bean filling recipe -
> > typically to be used as filling for a burrito or similar.So far,
> > all of my attempts have turned out to not even be close to what I'm
> > looking for.
> >
> > Originally the recipes I found ended up tasting more like what you'd
> > have if you blended homemade american chili...  i.e. predominantly
> > chili powder and related spices.
> >
> > Then there's the mix some sort of canned beans with some sort of
> > tomato-heavy salsa recipes.  No thank you.
> >
> > I tried a bit with cooking dry beans + onions + peppers in a pot,
> > seemed to recall that was the most like what I wanted, but never could
> > get it to the right mix for some reason.  It's been a while since I
> > experimented with this - and this is probably where I'd try again
> > absent another recommendation.
> >
> > Nowadays the 'healthy food' movement seems to have taken over any bean
> > dish and you end up with crap like "Vegan Black Beans" with all sorts
> > of weird stuff in them.
> >
> > So I'm hopeful that someone on here has come up with a good,
> > flavorful, recipe.   The ones I've tasted elsewhere tend to have a
> > nice mild pepper flavor without being overpowering or too hot.  And by
> > pepper I mean either a bell pepper flavor or maybe some of the milder
> > chili peppers.
> >
> > --
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Re: [AFMUG] mac books

2019-03-28 Thread Matt Hoppes

How?

> On Mar 28, 2019, at 9:19 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> As of ChromeOS 72, you can access SMB (AKA CIFS) shares. Samba is built in.
> 
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 5:28 PM Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> How do you connect to a network share with a chrome book?
>> 
>> We’ve found they are pretty good for the office staff - but seem to fall 
>> apart when you’re trying to work with files. 
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2019, at 8:19 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think he just likes apple.  He's making good moneyi did share the 
>>> refurb URL with him
>>> 
>>> Thanks :)
>>> 
>>> Sent from my smartphone
>>> 
>>> - Reply message -
>>> From: "Bill Prince" 
>>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] mac books
>>> Date: Thu, Mar 28, 2019 5:11 PM
>>> 
>>> Wondering since he's in a school why he wouldn't be interested in a 
>>> Chromebook. I've been using one of the new "mid range" Chromebooks now for 
>>> a few months, and it honestly does everything I need.
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 2:26 PM CBB - Jay Fuller 
  wrote:
  
 my nephew is having to replace his mac book.  a drink got spilt on it.  
 not sure he's ever had to buy one as i'm pretty sure his parents purchased 
 it
 for him while he was in school.  he's been teaching a while now.
  
 he's wondering if he really needs 16 gig.  price difference is a lot more 
 - like $500-$600 more.
  
 says he is looking at $1800 for 16 gb ram and 512 gb storage.
  
 what does he need?
  
 who has the best prices?
 thanks. :)
  
  
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Re: [AFMUG] mac books

As of ChromeOS 72, you can access SMB (AKA CIFS) shares. Samba is built in.

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On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 5:28 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> How do you connect to a network share with a chrome book?
>
> We’ve found they are pretty good for the office staff - but seem to fall
> apart when you’re trying to work with files.
>
> On Mar 28, 2019, at 8:19 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:
>
>
> I think he just likes apple.  He's making good moneyi did share the
> refurb URL with him
>
> Thanks :)
>
> Sent from my smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Bill Prince" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] mac books
> Date: Thu, Mar 28, 2019 5:11 PM
>
> Wondering since he's in a school why he wouldn't be interested in a
> Chromebook. I've been using one of the new "mid range" Chromebooks now for
> a few months, and it honestly does everything I need.
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 2:26 PM CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> my nephew is having to replace his mac book.  a drink got spilt on it.
>> not sure he's ever had to buy one as i'm pretty sure his parents purchased
>> it
>> for him while he was in school.  he's been teaching a while now.
>>
>> he's wondering if he really needs 16 gig.  price difference is a lot more
>> - like $500-$600 more.
>>
>> says he is looking at $1800 for 16 gb ram and 512 gb storage.
>>
>> what does he need?
>>
>> who has the best prices?
>> thanks. :)
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Flying with Lithium Batteries

2019-03-28 Thread Steve Utick

I've flown numerous times in the last year with my cordless drill.   I put
the drill itself in my checked bag and carry the battery for it in my carry
on.  I usually put it in a plastic zip lock bag inside my checked bag.
Most of the time, flying out of our smaller airport, they will check out my
bag by hand, but I've never had anyone even look twice at it when flying
home out of larger airports.   Never had any issues with anyone questioning
it at all, just our local airport is small and they seem bored and looking
for things to do.   I've never taken a charger with me, never had that much
to do that I'd need to charge my drill while I've been out.

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:39 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I'm going with a group of High School kids from Church to the Bahamas
> this summer to do hurricane relief construction.  Has anyone flown with
> Drill batteries recently?  It looks like the FAA Allows Lithium
> batteries that are <=100 Watt Hour in your carry on bag, they are not
> allowed in checked baggage.  A Dewalt 20v, 5ah battery is 100WH.  Has
> anyone flown with batteries, do you have to do anything special in
> screening or anything?
>
>  From this document
>
> https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/hazmat/passenger_info/media/Airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf
> It says that chargers are considered volatile, and must be treated as
> batteries, I'm not sure why that would be.  According to the infographic
> it seems that the battery can be in the checked bag if it's attached to
> a tool?  That doesn't seem to make any sense.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] mac books

2019-03-28 Thread Matt Hoppes

How do you connect to a network share with a chrome book?

We’ve found they are pretty good for the office staff - but seem to fall apart 
when you’re trying to work with files. 

> On Mar 28, 2019, at 8:19 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I think he just likes apple.  He's making good moneyi did share the 
> refurb URL with him
> 
> Thanks :)
> 
> Sent from my smartphone
> 
> - Reply message -
> From: "Bill Prince" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] mac books
> Date: Thu, Mar 28, 2019 5:11 PM
> 
> Wondering since he's in a school why he wouldn't be interested in a 
> Chromebook. I've been using one of the new "mid range" Chromebooks now for a 
> few months, and it honestly does everything I need.
> 
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> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 2:26 PM CBB - Jay Fuller  
>> wrote:
>>  
>> my nephew is having to replace his mac book.  a drink got spilt on it.  not 
>> sure he's ever had to buy one as i'm pretty sure his parents purchased it
>> for him while he was in school.  he's been teaching a while now.
>>  
>> he's wondering if he really needs 16 gig.  price difference is a lot more - 
>> like $500-$600 more.
>>  
>> says he is looking at $1800 for 16 gb ram and 512 gb storage.
>>  
>> what does he need?
>>  
>> who has the best prices?
>> thanks. :)
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Re: [AFMUG] mac books

2019-03-28 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

I think he just likes apple.  He's making good moneyi did share the refurb 
URL with him

Thanks :)

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Subject: [AFMUG] mac books
Date: Thu, Mar 28, 2019 5:11 PM

Wondering since he's in a school why he wouldn't be interested in a Chromebook. 
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wrote:

my nephew is having to replace his mac book.  a drink 
got spilt on it.  not sure he's ever had to buy one as i'm pretty sure his 
parents purchased it

for him while he was in school.  he's been teaching a 
while now.

he's wondering if he really needs 16 gig.  price 
difference is a lot more - like $500-$600 more.

says he is looking at $1800 for 16 gb ram and 512 gb 
storage.

what does he need?

who has the best prices?

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Re: [AFMUG] [OT] Mexican-style bean "filling"

I have a similar problem when trying to do refried beans, or pretty
much any "mexican" dish which uses beans.  (Dip, Just a side of
refried or black/pinto beans, "Mission Style" burritos, etc.).   I
just haven't found the right mixture/method to get them flavored
nicely with that flavor we all associate with beans cooked for this
purpose.

And no, not giving up meat for lent, just tend to be less of a meat
eater than most.  Although some nice Beef Barbacoa or similar type
"shredded beef" is a favorite of mine.

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 5:26 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Part of the problem might be that burritos are not really Mexican, maybe they 
> are “Tex-Mex” or “Mexican Fusion”.
>
>
>
> Personally I’d prefer tacos al pastor and black beans on the side.  Are you 
> giving up meat for Lent?  Be sure to pick up some Beano.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:08 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT] Mexican-style bean "filling"
>
>
>
> Jaime, Jaime, paging Jaime.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 5:23 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Not exactly what you're looking for, but I recently saw a recipe for 
> "Backyard BBQ Beans" on Cook's  Country. It was not exactly a "beans for 
> burrito" kind of dish, but it looked killer.
>
>
>
> They took regular baked beans plus some some cannellini beans plus pinto 
> beans. However, they mixed in bratwurst, bacon and several other things. 
> During the prep they claimed that the secret ingredient was liquid smoke. 
> Other than the fact that the recipe was huge, it looked pretty darn tasty.
>
>
>
> --
>
> bp
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 3:11 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
>
> Hoping Jaime or someone else can help me...
>
> I occasionally have the need for a mexican-style bean filling recipe -
> typically to be used as filling for a burrito or similar.So far,
> all of my attempts have turned out to not even be close to what I'm
> looking for.
>
> Originally the recipes I found ended up tasting more like what you'd
> have if you blended homemade american chili...  i.e. predominantly
> chili powder and related spices.
>
> Then there's the mix some sort of canned beans with some sort of
> tomato-heavy salsa recipes.  No thank you.
>
> I tried a bit with cooking dry beans + onions + peppers in a pot,
> seemed to recall that was the most like what I wanted, but never could
> get it to the right mix for some reason.  It's been a while since I
> experimented with this - and this is probably where I'd try again
> absent another recommendation.
>
> Nowadays the 'healthy food' movement seems to have taken over any bean
> dish and you end up with crap like "Vegan Black Beans" with all sorts
> of weird stuff in them.
>
> So I'm hopeful that someone on here has come up with a good,
> flavorful, recipe.   The ones I've tasted elsewhere tend to have a
> nice mild pepper flavor without being overpowering or too hot.  And by
> pepper I mean either a bell pepper flavor or maybe some of the milder
> chili peppers.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] [OT] Mexican-style bean "filling"

Part of the problem might be that burritos are not really Mexican, maybe they 
are “Tex-Mex” or “Mexican Fusion”.

 

Personally I’d prefer tacos al pastor and black beans on the side.  Are you 
giving up meat for Lent?  Be sure to pick up some Beano.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT] Mexican-style bean "filling"

 

Jaime, Jaime, paging Jaime.

 

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 5:23 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Not exactly what you're looking for, but I recently saw a recipe for "Backyard 
BBQ Beans" on Cook's  Country. It was not exactly a "beans for burrito" kind of 
dish, but it looked killer.

 

They took regular baked beans plus some some cannellini beans plus pinto beans. 
However, they mixed in bratwurst, bacon and several other things. During the 
prep they claimed that the secret ingredient was liquid smoke. Other than the 
fact that the recipe was huge, it looked pretty darn tasty.

 

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On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 3:11 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

Hoping Jaime or someone else can help me...

I occasionally have the need for a mexican-style bean filling recipe -
typically to be used as filling for a burrito or similar.So far,
all of my attempts have turned out to not even be close to what I'm
looking for.

Originally the recipes I found ended up tasting more like what you'd
have if you blended homemade american chili...  i.e. predominantly
chili powder and related spices.

Then there's the mix some sort of canned beans with some sort of
tomato-heavy salsa recipes.  No thank you.

I tried a bit with cooking dry beans + onions + peppers in a pot,
seemed to recall that was the most like what I wanted, but never could
get it to the right mix for some reason.  It's been a while since I
experimented with this - and this is probably where I'd try again
absent another recommendation.

Nowadays the 'healthy food' movement seems to have taken over any bean
dish and you end up with crap like "Vegan Black Beans" with all sorts
of weird stuff in them.

So I'm hopeful that someone on here has come up with a good,
flavorful, recipe.   The ones I've tasted elsewhere tend to have a
nice mild pepper flavor without being overpowering or too hot.  And by
pepper I mean either a bell pepper flavor or maybe some of the milder
chili peppers.

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Re: [AFMUG] mac books

I swear if Apple sold hammers, some of my customers would have Apple hammers.  
And underwear and socks.

 

It is possible he is in a very specific major where the software needs to be on 
a Mac.  Music for example.  My daughter went to Berklee for a year and was 
required to have a Macbook with certain software on it, but that was over 10 
years ago.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 5:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mac books

 

Wondering since he's in a school why he wouldn't be interested in a Chromebook. 
I've been using one of the new "mid range" Chromebooks now for a few months, 
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On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 2:26 PM CBB - Jay Fuller mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote:

 

my nephew is having to replace his mac book.  a drink got spilt on it.  not 
sure he's ever had to buy one as i'm pretty sure his parents purchased it

for him while he was in school.  he's been teaching a while now.

 

he's wondering if he really needs 16 gig.  price difference is a lot more - 
like $500-$600 more.

 

says he is looking at $1800 for 16 gb ram and 512 gb storage.

 

what does he need?

 

who has the best prices?

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Re: [AFMUG] [OT] Mexican-style bean "filling"

2019-03-28 Thread Cameron Crum

Jaime, Jaime, paging Jaime.

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 5:23 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Not exactly what you're looking for, but I recently saw a recipe for
> "Backyard BBQ Beans" on Cook's  Country. It was not exactly a "beans for
> burrito" kind of dish, but it looked killer.
>
> They took regular baked beans plus some some cannellini beans plus pinto
> beans. However, they mixed in bratwurst, bacon and several other things.
> During the prep they claimed that the secret ingredient was liquid smoke.
> Other than the fact that the recipe was huge, it looked pretty darn tasty.
>
> --
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>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 3:11 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Hoping Jaime or someone else can help me...
>>
>> I occasionally have the need for a mexican-style bean filling recipe -
>> typically to be used as filling for a burrito or similar.So far,
>> all of my attempts have turned out to not even be close to what I'm
>> looking for.
>>
>> Originally the recipes I found ended up tasting more like what you'd
>> have if you blended homemade american chili...  i.e. predominantly
>> chili powder and related spices.
>>
>> Then there's the mix some sort of canned beans with some sort of
>> tomato-heavy salsa recipes.  No thank you.
>>
>> I tried a bit with cooking dry beans + onions + peppers in a pot,
>> seemed to recall that was the most like what I wanted, but never could
>> get it to the right mix for some reason.  It's been a while since I
>> experimented with this - and this is probably where I'd try again
>> absent another recommendation.
>>
>> Nowadays the 'healthy food' movement seems to have taken over any bean
>> dish and you end up with crap like "Vegan Black Beans" with all sorts
>> of weird stuff in them.
>>
>> So I'm hopeful that someone on here has come up with a good,
>> flavorful, recipe.   The ones I've tasted elsewhere tend to have a
>> nice mild pepper flavor without being overpowering or too hot.  And by
>> pepper I mean either a bell pepper flavor or maybe some of the milder
>> chili peppers.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Flying with Lithium Batteries

I think they just need to be packaged certain ways.
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On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:03 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Drills can look like guns on Xrays.  Could you not just ship them ahead via
> something like UPS or FedEx, then ship them back?  Or are lithium batteries
> not allowed as cargo either?  They must get shipped somehow, I doubt they
> are getting to stores via mule train or Star Trek transporters.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 5:38 PM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Flying with Lithium Batteries
>
> I'm going with a group of High School kids from Church to the Bahamas this
> summer to do hurricane relief construction.  Has anyone flown with Drill
> batteries recently?  It looks like the FAA Allows Lithium batteries that
> are
> <=100 Watt Hour in your carry on bag, they are not allowed in checked
> baggage.  A Dewalt 20v, 5ah battery is 100WH.  Has anyone flown with
> batteries, do you have to do anything special in screening or anything?
>
>  From this document
>
> https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/h
> azmat/passenger_info/media/Airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf
> 
> It says that chargers are considered volatile, and must be treated as
> batteries, I'm not sure why that would be.  According to the infographic it
> seems that the battery can be in the checked bag if it's attached to a
> tool?
> That doesn't seem to make any sense.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Flying with Lithium Batteries

Drills can look like guns on Xrays.  Could you not just ship them ahead via
something like UPS or FedEx, then ship them back?  Or are lithium batteries
not allowed as cargo either?  They must get shipped somehow, I doubt they
are getting to stores via mule train or Star Trek transporters.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 5:38 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Flying with Lithium Batteries

I'm going with a group of High School kids from Church to the Bahamas this
summer to do hurricane relief construction.  Has anyone flown with Drill
batteries recently?  It looks like the FAA Allows Lithium batteries that are
<=100 Watt Hour in your carry on bag, they are not allowed in checked
baggage.  A Dewalt 20v, 5ah battery is 100WH.  Has anyone flown with
batteries, do you have to do anything special in screening or anything?

 From this document
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/h
azmat/passenger_info/media/Airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf
It says that chargers are considered volatile, and must be treated as
batteries, I'm not sure why that would be.  According to the infographic it
seems that the battery can be in the checked bag if it's attached to a tool?
That doesn't seem to make any sense.

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Re: [AFMUG] Flying with Lithium Batteries

Not to point out the obvious, but why would you think their rules need to
make sense?

I can not think of a reason why a charger would be considered volatile. I
suppose if there are some electrolytic capacitors in the circuitry, they
could "pop", but in my experience that's only an issue when they're in an
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On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 3:39 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I'm going with a group of High School kids from Church to the Bahamas
> this summer to do hurricane relief construction.  Has anyone flown with
> Drill batteries recently?  It looks like the FAA Allows Lithium
> batteries that are <=100 Watt Hour in your carry on bag, they are not
> allowed in checked baggage.  A Dewalt 20v, 5ah battery is 100WH.  Has
> anyone flown with batteries, do you have to do anything special in
> screening or anything?
>
>  From this document
>
> https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/hazmat/passenger_info/media/Airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf
> It says that chargers are considered volatile, and must be treated as
> batteries, I'm not sure why that would be.  According to the infographic
> it seems that the battery can be in the checked bag if it's attached to
> a tool?  That doesn't seem to make any sense.
>
> Nate
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[AFMUG] Flying with Lithium Batteries

2019-03-28 Thread Nate Burke

I'm going with a group of High School kids from Church to the Bahamas 
this summer to do hurricane relief construction.  Has anyone flown with 
Drill batteries recently?  It looks like the FAA Allows Lithium 
batteries that are <=100 Watt Hour in your carry on bag, they are not 
allowed in checked baggage.  A Dewalt 20v, 5ah battery is 100WH.  Has 
anyone flown with batteries, do you have to do anything special in 
screening or anything?


From this document 
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/hazmat/passenger_info/media/Airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf 
It says that chargers are considered volatile, and must be treated as 
batteries, I'm not sure why that would be.  According to the infographic 
it seems that the battery can be in the checked bag if it's attached to 
a tool?  That doesn't seem to make any sense.


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Re: [AFMUG] [OT] Mexican-style bean "filling"

Not exactly what you're looking for, but I recently saw a recipe for
"Backyard BBQ Beans" on Cook's  Country. It was not exactly a "beans for
burrito" kind of dish, but it looked killer.

They took regular baked beans plus some some cannellini beans plus pinto
beans. However, they mixed in bratwurst, bacon and several other things.
During the prep they claimed that the secret ingredient was liquid smoke.
Other than the fact that the recipe was huge, it looked pretty darn tasty.

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On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 3:11 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Hoping Jaime or someone else can help me...
>
> I occasionally have the need for a mexican-style bean filling recipe -
> typically to be used as filling for a burrito or similar.So far,
> all of my attempts have turned out to not even be close to what I'm
> looking for.
>
> Originally the recipes I found ended up tasting more like what you'd
> have if you blended homemade american chili...  i.e. predominantly
> chili powder and related spices.
>
> Then there's the mix some sort of canned beans with some sort of
> tomato-heavy salsa recipes.  No thank you.
>
> I tried a bit with cooking dry beans + onions + peppers in a pot,
> seemed to recall that was the most like what I wanted, but never could
> get it to the right mix for some reason.  It's been a while since I
> experimented with this - and this is probably where I'd try again
> absent another recommendation.
>
> Nowadays the 'healthy food' movement seems to have taken over any bean
> dish and you end up with crap like "Vegan Black Beans" with all sorts
> of weird stuff in them.
>
> So I'm hopeful that someone on here has come up with a good,
> flavorful, recipe.   The ones I've tasted elsewhere tend to have a
> nice mild pepper flavor without being overpowering or too hot.  And by
> pepper I mean either a bell pepper flavor or maybe some of the milder
> chili peppers.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] [] Re: [] corrective optics

It’s 17.5 inches and it doesn’t perform like 26 dBi, so I guess that means not 
a good feed?

 

Smelly cat, smelly cat, what are they feeding you?

 

What if it’s just shaped like a Cassegrain feed but actually the tube is 
stuffed full of electronics and they have a couple of PCB dipoles at the end or 
something like that?  Would that hurt antenna gain?

 

I’ve been puzzled how the 450b can have higher xmt power than the old SM yet 
fit inside the feed tube, you’d think there would be a problem with heat 
dissipation.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 4:19 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

 

A 17.5” reflector with a good feed should have about 26 dBi.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 3:08 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

 

It’s around 18.5 inches but the actual reflector part is 17.5 inches, with a 
0.5 inch flat area all around the edge.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 2:43 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

 

Thanks, that helped a bunch.  It is like a Rocket.

Could be over illumination, under illumination or just too small of a reflector 
for the gain.

What is the diameter of the reflector?  Looks like it is about 20 inches or so.

 

Someone take a hammer and break open the feed and snap a photo for me save 
the pieces so you can glue it back together later...

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:26 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

 

I’m busy configuring a licensed link or I’d snap a photo.  But here’s a Cambium 
video of assembling a 450b high gain, maybe you can glean enough from this.  
Note that there is an optional radome that snaps onto the front of the dish, 
they don’t show it in the video, but some of us like the radomes for 
aesthetics/windload/snow.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z88P-0nZkZ8 
 =youtu.be

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:54 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

 

Yes, I could probably google it, but I would like to have an image of the SM 
and reflector or whatever that is underperforming.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 12:17 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

 

I think he meant a photo of a Cambium 450b, or something relevant to improving 
the antenna performance thereof.

 

What were you thinking the topic was about?

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

 

"What would you like to see?"

 

I'm OK with the spam, but if this thread goes the wrong way I might need to 
unsubscribe.  No offense, just not my bag.  

 

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:06 AM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

What would you like to see?

Mark


On Mar 28, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

How about some photos.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

If you ever do the experiment again, it would be interesting to rotate the 
antenna to see if there’s some kind of sidelobe pointed toward the ground or 
something.  Obviously you can’t install it rotated or upside down (unless you 
really trust that cable gland to seal against rain), but it would be 
interesting to see the results.  Like you said, maybe some component in the 
feed horn is blocking the RF.

 

Cambium is in a better position to investigate this, it’s disappointing if they 
aren’t taking it seriously.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] corrective optics

 

 

 

On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

 

In another thread, Mark Radabaugh posted:

 

“For your next product….   Corrective optics for 450B high gain CPE!”

 

Mark, I’m not sure if you were serious, I suspect yes.

 

 

Yes - but I’m not sure what is possible with the design.

 

 

I know it’s frustrating that the antenna gain is lower than the old reflector 
dish, Cambium dropped the number on the spec sheet to 24 dBi, but I think even 
that is optimistic, I think it’s about 2 dB less

Re: [AFMUG] mac books

Wondering since he's in a school why he wouldn't be interested in a
Chromebook. I've been using one of the new "mid range" Chromebooks now for
a few months, and it honestly does everything I need.

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On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 2:26 PM CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
> my nephew is having to replace his mac book.  a drink got spilt on it.
> not sure he's ever had to buy one as i'm pretty sure his parents purchased
> it
> for him while he was in school.  he's been teaching a while now.
>
> he's wondering if he really needs 16 gig.  price difference is a lot more
> - like $500-$600 more.
>
> says he is looking at $1800 for 16 gb ram and 512 gb storage.
>
> what does he need?
>
> who has the best prices?
> thanks. :)
>
>
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[AFMUG] [OT] Mexican-style bean "filling"

Hoping Jaime or someone else can help me...

I occasionally have the need for a mexican-style bean filling recipe -
typically to be used as filling for a burrito or similar.So far,
all of my attempts have turned out to not even be close to what I'm
looking for.

Originally the recipes I found ended up tasting more like what you'd
have if you blended homemade american chili...  i.e. predominantly
chili powder and related spices.

Then there's the mix some sort of canned beans with some sort of
tomato-heavy salsa recipes.  No thank you.

I tried a bit with cooking dry beans + onions + peppers in a pot,
seemed to recall that was the most like what I wanted, but never could
get it to the right mix for some reason.  It's been a while since I
experimented with this - and this is probably where I'd try again
absent another recommendation.

Nowadays the 'healthy food' movement seems to have taken over any bean
dish and you end up with crap like "Vegan Black Beans" with all sorts
of weird stuff in them.

So I'm hopeful that someone on here has come up with a good,
flavorful, recipe.   The ones I've tasted elsewhere tend to have a
nice mild pepper flavor without being overpowering or too hot.  And by
pepper I mean either a bell pepper flavor or maybe some of the milder
chili peppers.

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Re: [AFMUG] [] Re: [] corrective optics

2019-03-28 Thread Mathew Howard

It's interesting that the dish itself appears to be exactly the same as the
ePMP Force 200, but the feedhorn is shaped significantly differently (I'm
assuming because they needed to fit more electronics inside it). I've never
noticed the Force 200's underperforming... I don't know how they compare to
an SM+reflector setup, but I've swapped between Force 200's and various
connectorized dishes, as well as Ubiquiti radios, and the signal levels
have always been pretty much inline with what I expected.

Also interesting is that on the new ePMP Force 300 they changed to a design
where the radio is sits behind the dish instead of being completely inside
the feedhorn (it's still attached to the feedhorn, but it goes in from the
back)
... I wonder if that's because of problems with the 450.

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:20 PM  wrote:

> A 17.5” reflector with a good feed should have about 26 dBi.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 28, 2019 3:08 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics
>
>
> It’s around 18.5 inches but the actual reflector part is 17.5 inches, with
> a 0.5 inch flat area all around the edge.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 28, 2019 2:43 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics
>
>
>
> Thanks, that helped a bunch.  It is like a Rocket.
>
> Could be over illumination, under illumination or just too small of a
> reflector for the gain.
>
> What is the diameter of the reflector?  Looks like it is about 20 inches
> or so.
>
>
>
> Someone take a hammer and break open the feed and snap a photo for me
> save the pieces so you can glue it back together later...
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:26 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics
>
>
>
> I’m busy configuring a licensed link or I’d snap a photo.  But here’s a
> Cambium video of assembling a 450b high gain, maybe you can glean enough
> from this.  Note that there is an optional radome that snaps onto the front
> of the dish, they don’t show it in the video, but some of us like the
> radomes for aesthetics/windload/snow.
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z88P-0nZkZ8=youtu.be
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:54 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics
>
>
>
> Yes, I could probably google it, but I would like to have an image of the
> SM and reflector or whatever that is underperforming.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 28, 2019 12:17 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics
>
>
>
> I think he meant a photo of a Cambium 450b, or something relevant to
> improving the antenna performance thereof.
>
>
>
> What were you thinking the topic was about?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:05 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics
>
>
>
> "What would you like to see?"
>
>
>
> I'm OK with the spam, but if this thread goes the wrong way I might need
> to unsubscribe.  No offense, just not my bag.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:06 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> What would you like to see?
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> How about some photos.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> If you ever do the experiment again, it would be interesting to rotate the
> antenna to see if there’s some kind of sidelobe pointed toward the ground
> or something.  Obviously you can’t install it rotated or upside down
> (unless you really trust that cable gland to seal against rain), but it
> would be interesting to see the results.  Like you said, maybe some
> component in the feed horn is blocking the RF.
>
>
>
> Cambium is in a better position to investigate this, it’s disappointing if
> they aren’t taking it seriously.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:19 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [*] corrective optics
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>
>
> In another thread, Mark Radabaugh posted:
>
>
>
> “For your next product….   Corrective optics for 450B high gain CPE!”
>
>
>
> Mark, I’m not sure if you were serious, I suspect yes.
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes - but I’m not sure what is possible with the design.
>
>
>
>
>
> I know it’s frustrating that the antenna gain is lower than the old
> reflector dish, Cambium dropped the number on the spec sheet to 24 dBi, but
> I think even that is optimistic, I think it’s about 2 dB less than the old
> combo which was supposed to be 25 dBi.  Lower antenna

Re: [AFMUG] mac books

2019-03-28 Thread Mike Meluskey

I took mine to the Apple Store at Caesars Palace Forum during 
Wispapalooza.  Had an expanding battery pop open the bottom of the 
laptop.  $200 for a new battery and board, good as new.  He might want 
to try an Apple Store to see if they can repair it.


On 28 Mar 2019, at 17:31, Sam Lambie wrote:

The question is what will he be doing with it? Spreadsheets and 
grading
homework? Or video editing  for youtube with lots of 4k footage? 8gigs 
RAM

is at least the minimum for any box I think. If he is looking for for
something high end, I would suggest craigslist. Otherwise Apple is 
gonna be

pricey no matter what.

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 3:26 PM CBB - Jay Fuller 


wrote:



my nephew is having to replace his mac book.  a drink got spilt on 
it.
not sure he's ever had to buy one as i'm pretty sure his parents 
purchased

it
for him while he was in school.  he's been teaching a while now.

he's wondering if he really needs 16 gig.  price difference is a lot 
more

- like $500-$600 more.

says he is looking at $1800 for 16 gb ram and 512 gb storage.

what does he need?

who has the best prices?
thanks. :)


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Re: [AFMUG] mac books

2019-03-28 Thread Andrew Haninger

Apple has a refurb site if you look (https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished)
They also have deals for edu accounts.

Both discounts are pretty meh, but better than nothing, and you get
the same as new warranty. From reading online, macbooks from recent
years (2016 to now) have pretty bad keyboard issues. (Bad for what
they cost.)

Otherwise, what Sam said. CL or other second hand shops.

Or maybe it's time to try something else?

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 5:32 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
> The question is what will he be doing with it? Spreadsheets and grading 
> homework? Or video editing  for youtube with lots of 4k footage? 8gigs RAM is 
> at least the minimum for any box I think. If he is looking for for something 
> high end, I would suggest craigslist. Otherwise Apple is gonna be pricey no 
> matter what.
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 3:26 PM CBB - Jay Fuller  
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> my nephew is having to replace his mac book.  a drink got spilt on it.  not 
>> sure he's ever had to buy one as i'm pretty sure his parents purchased it
>> for him while he was in school.  he's been teaching a while now.
>>
>> he's wondering if he really needs 16 gig.  price difference is a lot more - 
>> like $500-$600 more.
>>
>> says he is looking at $1800 for 16 gb ram and 512 gb storage.
>>
>> what does he need?
>>
>> who has the best prices?
>> thanks. :)
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] mac books

2019-03-28 Thread Sam Lambie

The question is what will he be doing with it? Spreadsheets and grading
homework? Or video editing  for youtube with lots of 4k footage? 8gigs RAM
is at least the minimum for any box I think. If he is looking for for
something high end, I would suggest craigslist. Otherwise Apple is gonna be
pricey no matter what.

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 3:26 PM CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
> my nephew is having to replace his mac book.  a drink got spilt on it.
> not sure he's ever had to buy one as i'm pretty sure his parents purchased
> it
> for him while he was in school.  he's been teaching a while now.
>
> he's wondering if he really needs 16 gig.  price difference is a lot more
> - like $500-$600 more.
>
> says he is looking at $1800 for 16 gb ram and 512 gb storage.
>
> what does he need?
>
> who has the best prices?
> thanks. :)
>
>
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[AFMUG] mac books

2019-03-28 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller


my nephew is having to replace his mac book.  a drink got spilt on it.  not 
sure he's ever had to buy one as i'm pretty sure his parents purchased it
for him while he was in school.  he's been teaching a while now.

he's wondering if he really needs 16 gig.  price difference is a lot more - 
like $500-$600 more.

says he is looking at $1800 for 16 gb ram and 512 gb storage.

what does he need?

who has the best prices?

thanks. :)

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Re: [AFMUG] [] Re: [] corrective optics

A 17.5” reflector with a good feed should have about 26 dBi.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 3:08 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

It’s around 18.5 inches but the actual reflector part is 17.5 inches, with a 
0.5 inch flat area all around the edge.

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 2:43 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

Thanks, that helped a bunch.  It is like a Rocket.

Could be over illumination, under illumination or just too small of a reflector 
for the gain.

What is the diameter of the reflector?  Looks like it is about 20 inches or so.

Someone take a hammer and break open the feed and snap a photo for me save 
the pieces so you can glue it back together later...

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:26 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

I’m busy configuring a licensed link or I’d snap a photo.  But here’s a Cambium 
video of assembling a 450b high gain, maybe you can glean enough from this.  
Note that there is an optional radome that snaps onto the front of the dish, 
they don’t show it in the video, but some of us like the radomes for 
aesthetics/windload/snow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z88P-0nZkZ8=youtu.be

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:54 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

Yes, I could probably google it, but I would like to have an image of the SM 
and reflector or whatever that is underperforming.  

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 12:17 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

I think he meant a photo of a Cambium 450b, or something relevant to improving 
the antenna performance thereof.

What were you thinking the topic was about?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

"What would you like to see?"

I'm OK with the spam, but if this thread goes the wrong way I might need to 
unsubscribe.  No offense, just not my bag.  

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:06 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

  What would you like to see?

  Mark

  On Mar 28, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

How about some photos.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  If you ever do the experiment again, it would be interesting to rotate 
the antenna to see if there’s some kind of sidelobe pointed toward the ground 
or something.  Obviously you can’t install it rotated or upside down (unless 
you really trust that cable gland to seal against rain), but it would be 
interesting to see the results.  Like you said, maybe some component in the 
feed horn is blocking the RF.

  Cambium is in a better position to investigate this, it’s disappointing 
if they aren’t taking it seriously.

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
  Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:19 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] corrective optics

On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

In another thread, Mark Radabaugh posted:

“For your next product….   Corrective optics for 450B high gain CPE!”

Mark, I’m not sure if you were serious, I suspect yes.

  Yes - but I’m not sure what is possible with the design.

I know it’s frustrating that the antenna gain is lower than the old 
reflector dish, Cambium dropped the number on the spec sheet to 24 dBi, but I 
think even that is optimistic, I think it’s about 2 dB less than the old combo 
which was supposed to be 25 dBi.  Lower antenna gain is going the wrong way!  I 
don’t care if it does have higher xmt power, that does nothing for the 
downstream direction.

  Changing the spec sheet to match what they ended up with was a pretty big 
cop out when the product failed to meet design expectations.   

In calling for corrective optics, do you have any info or even a gut 
feel for whether the problem is in the feed or the dish?  Is it as simple as 
the dish is just too small?

  I suspect that they managed to block part of the antenna feed horn with 
other components.  

Also, is it just the gain is low, or does the 450b hi gain have other 
issues?  Like poor F/B or sidelobe performance or something?

  It seems like if the 450b high gain is far away from other surfaces it 
works mostly to spec but when mounted

Re: [AFMUG] [] Re: [] corrective optics

It’s around 18.5 inches but the actual reflector part is 17.5 inches, with a 
0.5 inch flat area all around the edge.

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 2:43 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

Thanks, that helped a bunch.  It is like a Rocket.

Could be over illumination, under illumination or just too small of a reflector 
for the gain.

What is the diameter of the reflector?  Looks like it is about 20 inches or so.

Someone take a hammer and break open the feed and snap a photo for me save 
the pieces so you can glue it back together later...

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:26 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

I’m busy configuring a licensed link or I’d snap a photo.  But here’s a Cambium 
video of assembling a 450b high gain, maybe you can glean enough from this.  
Note that there is an optional radome that snaps onto the front of the dish, 
they don’t show it in the video, but some of us like the radomes for 
aesthetics/windload/snow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z88P-0nZkZ8 
 =youtu.be

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:54 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

Yes, I could probably google it, but I would like to have an image of the SM 
and reflector or whatever that is underperforming.  

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 12:17 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

I think he meant a photo of a Cambium 450b, or something relevant to improving 
the antenna performance thereof.

What were you thinking the topic was about?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

"What would you like to see?"

I'm OK with the spam, but if this thread goes the wrong way I might need to 
unsubscribe.  No offense, just not my bag.  

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:06 AM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

What would you like to see?

Mark

On Mar 28, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

How about some photos.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

If you ever do the experiment again, it would be interesting to rotate the 
antenna to see if there’s some kind of sidelobe pointed toward the ground or 
something.  Obviously you can’t install it rotated or upside down (unless you 
really trust that cable gland to seal against rain), but it would be 
interesting to see the results.  Like you said, maybe some component in the 
feed horn is blocking the RF.

Cambium is in a better position to investigate this, it’s disappointing if they 
aren’t taking it seriously.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] corrective optics

On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

In another thread, Mark Radabaugh posted:

“For your next product….   Corrective optics for 450B high gain CPE!”

Mark, I’m not sure if you were serious, I suspect yes.

Yes - but I’m not sure what is possible with the design.

I know it’s frustrating that the antenna gain is lower than the old reflector 
dish, Cambium dropped the number on the spec sheet to 24 dBi, but I think even 
that is optimistic, I think it’s about 2 dB less than the old combo which was 
supposed to be 25 dBi.  Lower antenna gain is going the wrong way!  I don’t 
care if it does have higher xmt power, that does nothing for the downstream 
direction.

Changing the spec sheet to match what they ended up with was a pretty big cop 
out when the product failed to meet design expectations.   

In calling for corrective optics, do you have any info or even a gut feel for 
whether the problem is in the feed or the dish?  Is it as simple as the dish is 
just too small?

I suspect that they managed to block part of the antenna feed horn with other 
components.  

Also, is it just the gain is low, or does the 450b hi gain have other issues?  
Like poor F/B or sidelobe performance or something?

It seems like if the 450b high gain is far away from other surfaces it works 
mostly to spec but when mounted in the typical locations near rooftops it seems 
like it either picks up more destructive multipath interference than previous 
designs

Re: [AFMUG] [] Re: [] Re: [*] corrective optics

Not yet, not sure if that's fortunately or unfortunately.

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 1:44 PM  wrote:
>
> Forrest, did you ever buy that X ray machine?
>
> From: Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:37 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] Re: [*] corrective optics
>
> No obvious way to crack one open and I don’t have any dead ones yet - but 
> spring is coming.   Should not be too long before Thor comes to visit.
>
> Mark
>
> On Mar 28, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I’m busy configuring a licensed link or I’d snap a photo.  But here’s a 
> Cambium video of assembling a 450b high gain, maybe you can glean enough from 
> this.  Note that there is an optional radome that snaps onto the front of the 
> dish, they don’t show it in the video, but some of us like the radomes for 
> aesthetics/windload/snow.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z88P-0nZkZ8=youtu.be
>
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:54 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics
>
> Yes, I could probably google it, but I would like to have an image of the SM 
> and reflector or whatever that is underperforming.
>
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 12:17 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics
>
> I think he meant a photo of a Cambium 450b, or something relevant to 
> improving the antenna performance thereof.
>
> What were you thinking the topic was about?
>
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:05 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics
>
> "What would you like to see?"
>
> I'm OK with the spam, but if this thread goes the wrong way I might need to 
> unsubscribe.  No offense, just not my bag.
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:06 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> What would you like to see?
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> How about some photos.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> If you ever do the experiment again, it would be interesting to rotate the 
> antenna to see if there’s some kind of sidelobe pointed toward the ground or 
> something.  Obviously you can’t install it rotated or upside down (unless you 
> really trust that cable gland to seal against rain), but it would be 
> interesting to see the results.  Like you said, maybe some component in the 
> feed horn is blocking the RF.
>
> Cambium is in a better position to investigate this, it’s disappointing if 
> they aren’t taking it seriously.
>
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:19 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] corrective optics
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> In another thread, Mark Radabaugh posted:
>
> “For your next product….   Corrective optics for 450B high gain CPE!”
>
> Mark, I’m not sure if you were serious, I suspect yes.
>
>
>
> Yes - but I’m not sure what is possible with the design.
>
>
>
>
> I know it’s frustrating that the antenna gain is lower than the old reflector 
> dish, Cambium dropped the number on the spec sheet to 24 dBi, but I think 
> even that is optimistic, I think it’s about 2 dB less than the old combo 
> which was supposed to be 25 dBi.  Lower antenna gain is going the wrong way!  
> I don’t care if it does have higher xmt power, that does nothing for the 
> downstream direction.
>
>
>
> Changing the spec sheet to match what they ended up with was a pretty big cop 
> out when the product failed to meet design expectations.
>
>
>
>
> In calling for corrective optics, do you have any info or even a gut feel for 
> whether the problem is in the feed or the dish?  Is it as simple as the dish 
> is just too small?
>
>
>
> I suspect that they managed to block part of the antenna feed horn with other 
> components.
>
>
>
>
>
> Also, is it just the gain is low, or does the 450b hi gain have other issues? 
>  Like poor F/B or sidelobe performance or something?
>
>
> It seems like if the 450b high gain is far away from other surfaces it works 
> mostly to spec but when mounted in the typical locations near rooftops it 
> seems like it either picks up more destructive multipath interference than 
> previous designs or the antenna pattern distorts badly.  For a long time I 
> thought they didn’t manage to get the feedhorn in the focus of the dish but 
> Cambium assures me that it’s right.   We are seeing decent performance under 
> 5 miles but it seems to fall apart much quicker over 5 miles than would be 
> expected.
>
> We set up a test with the bucket truck and drove it out and measured every 
> mile to 10 and it came back fine - but that was 50’ in the air with nothing 
> around.   Yet swapping out standard 450 SM’s with beehive or KP dishes with 
>

Re: [AFMUG] [RANT]: Printing from Web Browsers

I will often resort to using snagit which does scrolling-window captures.

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 12:23 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> in all seriousness I think if you take a screenshot and then print the
> screenshot that will come out better.  I can see why it would be nice if
> the browser could do something like that on its own.
>
>
>
> On 3/28/2019 2:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Just take a photo of the monitor...
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, March
> > 28, 2019 11:27 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [RANT]:
> > Printing from Web Browsers
> > because only old ladies print web pages Forrest.
> >
> >
> > On 3/27/2019 6:06 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> >> My rant for today:
> >>
> >> After many many years of us having web browsers, why can't they fix
> >> these so when I click on "print" I get something which looks like what
> >> is on the screen, instead of a half-cut-off, missing data, formatted
> >> weirdly, and totally unusable printout?
> >>
> >> Yes, I know there are some plugins/other tools which make this easier,
> >> but why in the world can't the web browser just do the right thing?
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] [RANT]: Printing from Web Browsers

Oh I could go into a whole other rant about the state of tax
accounting, which is mostly what I have to print paper for.

The 'trigger' for my rant was a site I had purchased a product from,
which didn't send me a useful confirmation email with prices on it,
didn't have a 'format for printing' button on their website, and which
had a web page which refused to print the invoice correctly - it was
cutting off all of the dollar figures.

After a whole bunch of finagling I finally got it to print well enough
for accounting purposes.

Not accounting-related but I had a similar problem with a recipe site
last week.   Fortunately I found the same recipe on another site which
has done the work to make it easy to print.   For recipes I want to
try I usually print them, then make notes on them about what I'm going
to change, etc..

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:28 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> because only old ladies print web pages Forrest.
>
>
> On 3/27/2019 6:06 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> > My rant for today:
> >
> > After many many years of us having web browsers, why can't they fix
> > these so when I click on "print" I get something which looks like what
> > is on the screen, instead of a half-cut-off, missing data, formatted
> > weirdly, and totally unusable printout?
> >
> > Yes, I know there are some plugins/other tools which make this easier,
> > but why in the world can't the web browser just do the right thing?
> >
>
>
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> AF@af.afmug.com
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Re: [AFMUG] [RANT]: Printing from Web Browsers

2019-03-28 Thread Steve Jones

Chrome printing is pretty good, i dont think im running any plugin

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 1:26 PM Andrew Haninger  wrote:

> It was easier back when web pages were optimized for 1024x768.
> Now they have to be dynamic and there isn't as much demand for printed
> web pages as there was back then.
>
> Luckily the web browsers are all open source now so you can just fork
> one and fix the problem :-)
>
> Or use Firefox Quantum. It has a nice built-in screenshot tool under
> the three dots in the address bar.
>
> Andy
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 2:07 PM  wrote:
> >
> > Just take a photo of the monitor...
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Adam Moffett
> > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 11:27 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [RANT]: Printing from Web Browsers
> >
> > because only old ladies print web pages Forrest.
> >
> >
> > On 3/27/2019 6:06 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> > > My rant for today:
> > >
> > > After many many years of us having web browsers, why can't they fix
> > > these so when I click on "print" I get something which looks like what
> > > is on the screen, instead of a half-cut-off, missing data, formatted
> > > weirdly, and totally unusable printout?
> > >
> > > Yes, I know there are some plugins/other tools which make this easier,
> > > but why in the world can't the web browser just do the right thing?
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > AF mailing list
> > AF@af.afmug.com
> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] [] Re: [] Re: [*] corrective optics

Forrest, did you ever buy that X ray machine?

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

No obvious way to crack one open and I don’t have any dead ones yet - but 
spring is coming.   Should not be too long before Thor comes to visit. 

Mark

  On Mar 28, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  I’m busy configuring a licensed link or I’d snap a photo.  But here’s a 
Cambium video of assembling a 450b high gain, maybe you can glean enough from 
this.  Note that there is an optional radome that snaps onto the front of the 
dish, they don’t show it in the video, but some of us like the radomes for 
aesthetics/windload/snow.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z88P-0nZkZ8=youtu.be

  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:54 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

  Yes, I could probably google it, but I would like to have an image of the SM 
and reflector or whatever that is underperforming.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 12:17 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

  I think he meant a photo of a Cambium 450b, or something relevant to 
improving the antenna performance thereof.

  What were you thinking the topic was about?

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
  Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:05 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

  "What would you like to see?"

  I'm OK with the spam, but if this thread goes the wrong way I might need to 
unsubscribe.  No offense, just not my bag.  

  On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:06 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
What would you like to see?

Mark

On Mar 28, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  How about some photos.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

If you ever do the experiment again, it would be interesting to rotate 
the antenna to see if there’s some kind of sidelobe pointed toward the ground 
or something.  Obviously you can’t install it rotated or upside down (unless 
you really trust that cable gland to seal against rain), but it would be 
interesting to see the results.  Like you said, maybe some component in the 
feed horn is blocking the RF.

Cambium is in a better position to investigate this, it’s disappointing 
if they aren’t taking it seriously.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] corrective optics

  On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  In another thread, Mark Radabaugh posted:

  “For your next product….   Corrective optics for 450B high gain CPE!”

  Mark, I’m not sure if you were serious, I suspect yes.

Yes - but I’m not sure what is possible with the design.

  I know it’s frustrating that the antenna gain is lower than the old 
reflector dish, Cambium dropped the number on the spec sheet to 24 dBi, but I 
think even that is optimistic, I think it’s about 2 dB less than the old combo 
which was supposed to be 25 dBi.  Lower antenna gain is going the wrong way!  I 
don’t care if it does have higher xmt power, that does nothing for the 
downstream direction.

Changing the spec sheet to match what they ended up with was a pretty 
big cop out when the product failed to meet design expectations.   

  In calling for corrective optics, do you have any info or even a gut 
feel for whether the problem is in the feed or the dish?  Is it as simple as 
the dish is just too small?

I suspect that they managed to block part of the antenna feed horn with 
other components.  

  Also, is it just the gain is low, or does the 450b hi gain have other 
issues?  Like poor F/B or sidelobe performance or something?

It seems like if the 450b high gain is far away from other surfaces it 
works mostly to spec but when mounted in the typical locations near rooftops it 
seems like it either picks up more destructive multipath interference than 
previous designs or the antenna pattern distorts badly.  For a long time I 
thought they didn’t manage to get the feedhorn in the focus of the dish but 
Cambium assures me that it’s right.   We are seeing decent performance under 5 
miles but it seems to fall apart much quicker over 5 miles than would be 
expected.

We set up a test with the bucket truck and drove it out and measured

Re: [AFMUG] [] Re: [] corrective optics

Thanks, that helped a bunch.  It is like a Rocket.
Could be over illumination, under illumination or just too small of a reflector 
for the gain.
What is the diameter of the reflector?  Looks like it is about 20 inches or so.

Someone take a hammer and break open the feed and snap a photo for me save 
the pieces so you can glue it back together later...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:26 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

I’m busy configuring a licensed link or I’d snap a photo.  But here’s a Cambium 
video of assembling a 450b high gain, maybe you can glean enough from this.  
Note that there is an optional radome that snaps onto the front of the dish, 
they don’t show it in the video, but some of us like the radomes for 
aesthetics/windload/snow.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z88P-0nZkZ8=youtu.be

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:54 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

 

Yes, I could probably google it, but I would like to have an image of the SM 
and reflector or whatever that is underperforming.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 12:17 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

 

I think he meant a photo of a Cambium 450b, or something relevant to improving 
the antenna performance thereof.

 

What were you thinking the topic was about?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

 

"What would you like to see?"

 

I'm OK with the spam, but if this thread goes the wrong way I might need to 
unsubscribe.  No offense, just not my bag.  

 

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:06 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

  What would you like to see?

  Mark


  On Mar 28, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

How about some photos.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  If you ever do the experiment again, it would be interesting to rotate 
the antenna to see if there’s some kind of sidelobe pointed toward the ground 
or something.  Obviously you can’t install it rotated or upside down (unless 
you really trust that cable gland to seal against rain), but it would be 
interesting to see the results.  Like you said, maybe some component in the 
feed horn is blocking the RF.

   

  Cambium is in a better position to investigate this, it’s disappointing 
if they aren’t taking it seriously.

   

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
  Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:19 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] corrective optics

   

   

   

On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

 

In another thread, Mark Radabaugh posted:

 

“For your next product….   Corrective optics for 450B high gain CPE!”

 

Mark, I’m not sure if you were serious, I suspect yes.

   

   

  Yes - but I’m not sure what is possible with the design.

   

 

I know it’s frustrating that the antenna gain is lower than the old 
reflector dish, Cambium dropped the number on the spec sheet to 24 dBi, but I 
think even that is optimistic, I think it’s about 2 dB less than the old combo 
which was supposed to be 25 dBi.  Lower antenna gain is going the wrong way!  I 
don’t care if it does have higher xmt power, that does nothing for the 
downstream direction.

   

   

  Changing the spec sheet to match what they ended up with was a pretty big 
cop out when the product failed to meet design expectations.   

   

 

In calling for corrective optics, do you have any info or even a gut 
feel for whether the problem is in the feed or the dish?  Is it as simple as 
the dish is just too small?

   

   

  I suspect that they managed to block part of the antenna feed horn with 
other components.  

   

   

 

Also, is it just the gain is low, or does the 450b hi gain have other 
issues?  Like poor F/B or sidelobe performance or something?

   

  It seems like if the 450b high gain is far away from other surfaces it 
works mostly to spec but when mounted in the typical locations near rooftops it 
seems like it either picks up more destructive multipath interference than 
previous designs or the antenna pattern distorts badly.  For a long time I 
thought they didn’t manage to get the feedhorn in the focus of the dish but 
Cambium assures me that it’s right.   We are seeing decent performance under 5 
miles but it seems to fall apart much quicker over 5 miles than would be 
expected.

   

  We set up a test with the bucket truck and drove it out and measured

Re: [AFMUG] [] Re: [] Re: [*] corrective optics

2019-03-28 Thread Mark Radabaugh

No obvious way to crack one open and I don’t have any dead ones yet - but 
spring is coming.   Should not be too long before Thor comes to visit.

Mark

> On Mar 28, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> I’m busy configuring a licensed link or I’d snap a photo.  But here’s a 
> Cambium video of assembling a 450b high gain, maybe you can glean enough from 
> this.  Note that there is an optional radome that snaps onto the front of the 
> dish, they don’t show it in the video, but some of us like the radomes for 
> aesthetics/windload/snow.
>  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z88P-0nZkZ8=youtu.be 
> 
>  
>  
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:54 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics
>  
> Yes, I could probably google it, but I would like to have an image of the SM 
> and reflector or whatever that is underperforming.  
>  
> From: Ken Hohhof 
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 12:17 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics
>  
> I think he meant a photo of a Cambium 450b, or something relevant to 
> improving the antenna performance thereof.
>  
> What were you thinking the topic was about?
>  
>  
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Carl Peterson
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:05 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics
>  
> "What would you like to see?"
>  
> I'm OK with the spam, but if this thread goes the wrong way I might need to 
> unsubscribe.  No offense, just not my bag.  
>  
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:06 AM Mark Radabaugh  > wrote:
>> What would you like to see?
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> On Mar 28, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown > > wrote:
>> 
>>> How about some photos.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Ken Hohhof >> > wrote:
>>> 
 If you ever do the experiment again, it would be interesting to rotate the 
 antenna to see if there’s some kind of sidelobe pointed toward the ground 
 or something.  Obviously you can’t install it rotated or upside down 
 (unless you really trust that cable gland to seal against rain), but it 
 would be interesting to see the results.  Like you said, maybe some 
 component in the feed horn is blocking the RF.
  
 Cambium is in a better position to investigate this, it’s disappointing if 
 they aren’t taking it seriously.
  
  
 From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On 
 Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
 Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:19 AM
 To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> >
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] corrective optics
  
  
  
 
> On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:
>  
> In another thread, Mark Radabaugh posted:
>  
> “For your next product….   Corrective optics for 450B high gain CPE!”
>  
> Mark, I’m not sure if you were serious, I suspect yes.
  
  
 Yes - but I’m not sure what is possible with the design.
  
 
>  
> I know it’s frustrating that the antenna gain is lower than the old 
> reflector dish, Cambium dropped the number on the spec sheet to 24 dBi, 
> but I think even that is optimistic, I think it’s about 2 dB less than 
> the old combo which was supposed to be 25 dBi.  Lower antenna gain is 
> going the wrong way!  I don’t care if it does have higher xmt power, that 
> does nothing for the downstream direction.
  
  
 Changing the spec sheet to match what they ended up with was a pretty big 
 cop out when the product failed to meet design expectations.   
  
 
>  
> In calling for corrective optics, do you have any info or even a gut feel 
> for whether the problem is in the feed or the dish?  Is it as simple as 
> the dish is just too small?
  
  
 I suspect that they managed to block part of the antenna feed horn with 
 other components.  
  
  
 
>  
> Also, is it just the gain is low, or does the 450b hi gain have other 
> issues?  Like poor F/B or sidelobe performance or something?
  
 It seems like if the 450b high gain is far away from other surfaces it 
 works mostly to spec but when mounted in the typical locations near 
 rooftops it seems like it either picks up more destructive multipath 
 interference than previous designs or the antenna pattern distorts badly.  
 For a long time I thought they didn’t manage to get the feedhorn in the 
 focus of the dish but Cambium assures me that it’s right.   We are

Re: [AFMUG] [] Re: [] corrective optics

I’m busy configuring a licensed link or I’d snap a photo.  But here’s a Cambium 
video of assembling a 450b high gain, maybe you can glean enough from this.  
Note that there is an optional radome that snaps onto the front of the dish, 
they don’t show it in the video, but some of us like the radomes for 
aesthetics/windload/snow.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z88P-0nZkZ8 
 =youtu.be

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:54 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

 

Yes, I could probably google it, but I would like to have an image of the SM 
and reflector or whatever that is underperforming.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 12:17 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

 

I think he meant a photo of a Cambium 450b, or something relevant to improving 
the antenna performance thereof.

 

What were you thinking the topic was about?

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

 

"What would you like to see?"

 

I'm OK with the spam, but if this thread goes the wrong way I might need to 
unsubscribe.  No offense, just not my bag.  

 

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:06 AM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

What would you like to see?

Mark


On Mar 28, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

How about some photos.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

If you ever do the experiment again, it would be interesting to rotate the 
antenna to see if there’s some kind of sidelobe pointed toward the ground or 
something.  Obviously you can’t install it rotated or upside down (unless you 
really trust that cable gland to seal against rain), but it would be 
interesting to see the results.  Like you said, maybe some component in the 
feed horn is blocking the RF.

 

Cambium is in a better position to investigate this, it’s disappointing if they 
aren’t taking it seriously.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] corrective optics

 

 

 

On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

 

In another thread, Mark Radabaugh posted:

 

“For your next product….   Corrective optics for 450B high gain CPE!”

 

Mark, I’m not sure if you were serious, I suspect yes.

 

 

Yes - but I’m not sure what is possible with the design.

 

 

I know it’s frustrating that the antenna gain is lower than the old reflector 
dish, Cambium dropped the number on the spec sheet to 24 dBi, but I think even 
that is optimistic, I think it’s about 2 dB less than the old combo which was 
supposed to be 25 dBi.  Lower antenna gain is going the wrong way!  I don’t 
care if it does have higher xmt power, that does nothing for the downstream 
direction.

 

 

Changing the spec sheet to match what they ended up with was a pretty big cop 
out when the product failed to meet design expectations.   

 

 

In calling for corrective optics, do you have any info or even a gut feel for 
whether the problem is in the feed or the dish?  Is it as simple as the dish is 
just too small?

 

 

I suspect that they managed to block part of the antenna feed horn with other 
components.  

 

 

 

Also, is it just the gain is low, or does the 450b hi gain have other issues?  
Like poor F/B or sidelobe performance or something?

 

It seems like if the 450b high gain is far away from other surfaces it works 
mostly to spec but when mounted in the typical locations near rooftops it seems 
like it either picks up more destructive multipath interference than previous 
designs or the antenna pattern distorts badly.  For a long time I thought they 
didn’t manage to get the feedhorn in the focus of the dish but Cambium assures 
me that it’s right.   We are seeing decent performance under 5 miles but it 
seems to fall apart much quicker over 5 miles than would be expected.

 

We set up a test with the bucket truck and drove it out and measured every mile 
to 10 and it came back fine - but that was 50’ in the air with nothing around.  
 Yet swapping out standard 450 SM’s with beehive or KP dishes with 450B’s at >5 
miles routinely fails with poor signal.   The difference is often far more than 
the 2dB the spec sheets would indicate.   Sometimes it works if the antenna is 
well away from all other surfaces like on a tower but for the majority of 
installs the swap fails.   Why were we doing that anyway?  We wanted to start 
using 5.1/5.2.

 

 

I know the 450b

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

2019-03-28 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

saw it yesterday. thanks for recommending it. i feel like i was literally
witnessing history as it happened.

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Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

Yes, totally new. I was astounded at the amount of very high resolution
footage they had. Really good footage of Buzz Aldrin backing out of the LM.
Really good footage of the last 15 seconds where Neil is hunting for a good
place to land. I am guessing I have only seen half or at the most 2/3rds of
this before.

They stitch it all together without any narration.

I wish they would have had the audio where they were instructed to push the
range radar circuit breakers. They were told to verify them as being out prior
to leaving the moon. It was the range radar that was producing a flood of
useless data that overwhelmed the computer producing the 1201 and 1202 alarms.
They would have needed it to be turned on prior to docking with the CM.

That alarm was probably the most pucker factor moment in human history.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/vintagespace/2018/01/05/apollo-11s-1202-alarm-explained/#.XJaBG5hKiUk

From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 12:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

I figured this was a repeat releasethis is new?

Sent from my smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown"
To:
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
Date: Fri, Mar 22, 2019 7:48 PM

Apollo 11

Best so far. 100% NASA footage and audio. Loved it.

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Re: [AFMUG] [] Re: [] corrective optics

Yes, I could probably google it, but I would like to have an image of the SM 
and reflector or whatever that is underperforming.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 12:17 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

I think he meant a photo of a Cambium 450b, or something relevant to improving 
the antenna performance thereof.

What were you thinking the topic was about?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

"What would you like to see?"

I'm OK with the spam, but if this thread goes the wrong way I might need to 
unsubscribe.  No offense, just not my bag.  

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:06 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

  What would you like to see?

  Mark

  On Mar 28, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

How about some photos.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  If you ever do the experiment again, it would be interesting to rotate 
the antenna to see if there’s some kind of sidelobe pointed toward the ground 
or something.  Obviously you can’t install it rotated or upside down (unless 
you really trust that cable gland to seal against rain), but it would be 
interesting to see the results.  Like you said, maybe some component in the 
feed horn is blocking the RF.

  Cambium is in a better position to investigate this, it’s disappointing 
if they aren’t taking it seriously.

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
  Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:19 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] corrective optics

On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

In another thread, Mark Radabaugh posted:

“For your next product….   Corrective optics for 450B high gain CPE!”

Mark, I’m not sure if you were serious, I suspect yes.

  Yes - but I’m not sure what is possible with the design.

I know it’s frustrating that the antenna gain is lower than the old 
reflector dish, Cambium dropped the number on the spec sheet to 24 dBi, but I 
think even that is optimistic, I think it’s about 2 dB less than the old combo 
which was supposed to be 25 dBi.  Lower antenna gain is going the wrong way!  I 
don’t care if it does have higher xmt power, that does nothing for the 
downstream direction.

  Changing the spec sheet to match what they ended up with was a pretty big 
cop out when the product failed to meet design expectations.   

In calling for corrective optics, do you have any info or even a gut 
feel for whether the problem is in the feed or the dish?  Is it as simple as 
the dish is just too small?

  I suspect that they managed to block part of the antenna feed horn with 
other components.  

Also, is it just the gain is low, or does the 450b hi gain have other 
issues?  Like poor F/B or sidelobe performance or something?

  It seems like if the 450b high gain is far away from other surfaces it 
works mostly to spec but when mounted in the typical locations near rooftops it 
seems like it either picks up more destructive multipath interference than 
previous designs or the antenna pattern distorts badly.  For a long time I 
thought they didn’t manage to get the feedhorn in the focus of the dish but 
Cambium assures me that it’s right.   We are seeing decent performance under 5 
miles but it seems to fall apart much quicker over 5 miles than would be 
expected.

  We set up a test with the bucket truck and drove it out and measured 
every mile to 10 and it came back fine - but that was 50’ in the air with 
nothing around.   Yet swapping out standard 450 SM’s with beehive or KP dishes 
with 450B’s at >5 miles routinely fails with poor signal.   The difference is 
often far more than the 2dB the spec sheets would indicate.   Sometimes it 
works if the antenna is well away from all other surfaces like on a tower but 
for the majority of installs the swap fails.   Why were we doing that anyway?  
We wanted to start using 5.1/5.2.

I know the 450b mid-gain is frustrating because apparently Cambium 
doesn’t think a tight vertical pattern is important.  I keep wondering if a top 
and bottom flap like on the old 2.4 Stingers would correct that.

Cambium seems to be sharing antenna designs between ePMP and 450, so 
the same issues probably exist in the corresponding ePMP products.

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Re: [AFMUG] [RANT]: Printing from Web Browsers

2019-03-28 Thread Andrew Haninger

It was easier back when web pages were optimized for 1024x768.
Now they have to be dynamic and there isn't as much demand for printed
web pages as there was back then.

Luckily the web browsers are all open source now so you can just fork
one and fix the problem :-)

Or use Firefox Quantum. It has a nice built-in screenshot tool under
the three dots in the address bar.

Andy

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 2:07 PM  wrote:
>
> Just take a photo of the monitor...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 11:27 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [RANT]: Printing from Web Browsers
>
> because only old ladies print web pages Forrest.
>
>
> On 3/27/2019 6:06 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> > My rant for today:
> >
> > After many many years of us having web browsers, why can't they fix
> > these so when I click on "print" I get something which looks like what
> > is on the screen, instead of a half-cut-off, missing data, formatted
> > weirdly, and totally unusable printout?
> >
> > Yes, I know there are some plugins/other tools which make this easier,
> > but why in the world can't the web browser just do the right thing?
> >
>
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Re: [AFMUG] [RANT]: Printing from Web Browsers

2019-03-28 Thread Adam Moffett

in all seriousness I think if you take a screenshot and then print the 
screenshot that will come out better.  I can see why it would be nice if 
the browser could do something like that on its own.




On 3/28/2019 2:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Just take a photo of the monitor...

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, March 
28, 2019 11:27 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [RANT]: 
Printing from Web Browsers

because only old ladies print web pages Forrest.


On 3/27/2019 6:06 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

My rant for today:

After many many years of us having web browsers, why can't they fix
these so when I click on "print" I get something which looks like what
is on the screen, instead of a half-cut-off, missing data, formatted
weirdly, and totally unusable printout?

Yes, I know there are some plugins/other tools which make this easier,
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Re: [AFMUG] [] Re: [] corrective optics

I think he meant a photo of a Cambium 450b, or something relevant to improving 
the antenna performance thereof.

 

What were you thinking the topic was about?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

 

"What would you like to see?"

 

I'm OK with the spam, but if this thread goes the wrong way I might need to 
unsubscribe.  No offense, just not my bag.  

 

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:06 AM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

What would you like to see?

Mark


On Mar 28, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

How about some photos.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

If you ever do the experiment again, it would be interesting to rotate the 
antenna to see if there’s some kind of sidelobe pointed toward the ground or 
something.  Obviously you can’t install it rotated or upside down (unless you 
really trust that cable gland to seal against rain), but it would be 
interesting to see the results.  Like you said, maybe some component in the 
feed horn is blocking the RF.

 

Cambium is in a better position to investigate this, it’s disappointing if they 
aren’t taking it seriously.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] corrective optics

 

 

 

On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

 

In another thread, Mark Radabaugh posted:

 

“For your next product….   Corrective optics for 450B high gain CPE!”

 

Mark, I’m not sure if you were serious, I suspect yes.

 

 

Yes - but I’m not sure what is possible with the design.

 

 

I know it’s frustrating that the antenna gain is lower than the old reflector 
dish, Cambium dropped the number on the spec sheet to 24 dBi, but I think even 
that is optimistic, I think it’s about 2 dB less than the old combo which was 
supposed to be 25 dBi.  Lower antenna gain is going the wrong way!  I don’t 
care if it does have higher xmt power, that does nothing for the downstream 
direction.

 

 

Changing the spec sheet to match what they ended up with was a pretty big cop 
out when the product failed to meet design expectations.   

 

 

In calling for corrective optics, do you have any info or even a gut feel for 
whether the problem is in the feed or the dish?  Is it as simple as the dish is 
just too small?

 

 

I suspect that they managed to block part of the antenna feed horn with other 
components.  

 

 

 

Also, is it just the gain is low, or does the 450b hi gain have other issues?  
Like poor F/B or sidelobe performance or something?

 

It seems like if the 450b high gain is far away from other surfaces it works 
mostly to spec but when mounted in the typical locations near rooftops it seems 
like it either picks up more destructive multipath interference than previous 
designs or the antenna pattern distorts badly.  For a long time I thought they 
didn’t manage to get the feedhorn in the focus of the dish but Cambium assures 
me that it’s right.   We are seeing decent performance under 5 miles but it 
seems to fall apart much quicker over 5 miles than would be expected.

 

We set up a test with the bucket truck and drove it out and measured every mile 
to 10 and it came back fine - but that was 50’ in the air with nothing around.  
 Yet swapping out standard 450 SM’s with beehive or KP dishes with 450B’s at >5 
miles routinely fails with poor signal.   The difference is often far more than 
the 2dB the spec sheets would indicate.   Sometimes it works if the antenna is 
well away from all other surfaces like on a tower but for the majority of 
installs the swap fails.   Why were we doing that anyway?  We wanted to start 
using 5.1/5.2.

 

 

I know the 450b mid-gain is frustrating because apparently Cambium doesn’t 
think a tight vertical pattern is important.  I keep wondering if a top and 
bottom flap like on the old 2.4 Stingers would correct that.

 

Cambium seems to be sharing antenna designs between ePMP and 450, so the same 
issues probably exist in the corresponding ePMP products.

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Re: [AFMUG] [RANT]: Printing from Web Browsers

Just take a photo of the monitor...

-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 11:27 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [RANT]: Printing from Web Browsers 

because only old ladies print web pages Forrest.

On 3/27/2019 6:06 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

My rant for today:

After many many years of us having web browsers, why can't they fix
these so when I click on "print" I get something which looks like what
is on the screen, instead of a half-cut-off, missing data, formatted
weirdly, and totally unusable printout?

Yes, I know there are some plugins/other tools which make this easier,
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Re: [AFMUG] [] Re: [] corrective optics

2019-03-28 Thread Carl Peterson

"What would you like to see?"

I'm OK with the spam, but if this thread goes the wrong way I might need to
unsubscribe.  No offense, just not my bag.

On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:06 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> What would you like to see?
>
> Mark
>
> On Mar 28, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> How about some photos.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> If you ever do the experiment again, it would be interesting to rotate the
> antenna to see if there’s some kind of sidelobe pointed toward the ground
> or something.  Obviously you can’t install it rotated or upside down
> (unless you really trust that cable gland to seal against rain), but it
> would be interesting to see the results.  Like you said, maybe some
> component in the feed horn is blocking the RF.
>
>
>
> Cambium is in a better position to investigate this, it’s disappointing if
> they aren’t taking it seriously.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:19 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [*] corrective optics
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>
>
> In another thread, Mark Radabaugh posted:
>
>
>
> “For your next product….   Corrective optics for 450B high gain CPE!”
>
>
>
> Mark, I’m not sure if you were serious, I suspect yes.
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes - but I’m not sure what is possible with the design.
>
>
>
>
>
> I know it’s frustrating that the antenna gain is lower than the old
> reflector dish, Cambium dropped the number on the spec sheet to 24 dBi, but
> I think even that is optimistic, I think it’s about 2 dB less than the old
> combo which was supposed to be 25 dBi.  Lower antenna gain is going the
> wrong way!  I don’t care if it does have higher xmt power, that does
> nothing for the downstream direction.
>
>
>
>
>
> Changing the spec sheet to match what they ended up with was a pretty big
> cop out when the product failed to meet design expectations.
>
>
>
>
>
> In calling for corrective optics, do you have any info or even a gut feel
> for whether the problem is in the feed or the dish?  Is it as simple as the
> dish is just too small?
>
>
>
>
>
> I suspect that they managed to block part of the antenna feed horn with
> other components.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Also, is it just the gain is low, or does the 450b hi gain have other
> issues?  Like poor F/B or sidelobe performance or something?
>
>
>
> It seems like if the 450b high gain is far away from other surfaces it
> works mostly to spec but when mounted in the typical locations near
> rooftops it seems like it either picks up more destructive multipath
> interference than previous designs or the antenna pattern distorts badly.
> For a long time I thought they didn’t manage to get the feedhorn in the
> focus of the dish but Cambium assures me that it’s right.   We are seeing
> decent performance under 5 miles but it seems to fall apart much quicker
> over 5 miles than would be expected.
>
>
>
> We set up a test with the bucket truck and drove it out and measured every
> mile to 10 and it came back fine - but that was 50’ in the air with nothing
> around.   Yet swapping out standard 450 SM’s with beehive or KP dishes with
> 450B’s at >5 miles routinely fails with poor signal.   The difference is
> often far more than the 2dB the spec sheets would indicate.   Sometimes it
> works if the antenna is well away from all other surfaces like on a tower
> but for the majority of installs the swap fails.   Why were we doing that
> anyway?  We wanted to start using 5.1/5.2.
>
>
>
>
>
> I know the 450b mid-gain is frustrating because apparently Cambium doesn’t
> think a tight vertical pattern is important.  I keep wondering if a top and
> bottom flap like on the old 2.4 Stingers would correct that.
>
>
>
> Cambium seems to be sharing antenna designs between ePMP and 450, so the
> same issues probably exist in the corresponding ePMP products.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] [RANT]: Printing from Web Browsers

2019-03-28 Thread Adam Moffett


because only old ladies print web pages Forrest.


On 3/27/2019 6:06 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

My rant for today:

After many many years of us having web browsers, why can't they fix
these so when I click on "print" I get something which looks like what
is on the screen, instead of a half-cut-off, missing data, formatted
weirdly, and totally unusable printout?

Yes, I know there are some plugins/other tools which make this easier,
but why in the world can't the web browser just do the right thing?




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Re: [AFMUG] [] Re: [] corrective optics

SM and antenna.  

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 10:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] Re: [*] corrective optics

What would you like to see?

Mark

On Mar 28, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  How about some photos.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

If you ever do the experiment again, it would be interesting to rotate the 
antenna to see if there’s some kind of sidelobe pointed toward the ground or 
something.  Obviously you can’t install it rotated or upside down (unless you 
really trust that cable gland to seal against rain), but it would be 
interesting to see the results.  Like you said, maybe some component in the 
feed horn is blocking the RF.

Cambium is in a better position to investigate this, it’s disappointing if 
they aren’t taking it seriously.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] corrective optics

  On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  In another thread, Mark Radabaugh posted:

  “For your next product….   Corrective optics for 450B high gain CPE!”

  Mark, I’m not sure if you were serious, I suspect yes.

Yes - but I’m not sure what is possible with the design.

  I know it’s frustrating that the antenna gain is lower than the old 
reflector dish, Cambium dropped the number on the spec sheet to 24 dBi, but I 
think even that is optimistic, I think it’s about 2 dB less than the old combo 
which was supposed to be 25 dBi.  Lower antenna gain is going the wrong way!  I 
don’t care if it does have higher xmt power, that does nothing for the 
downstream direction.

Changing the spec sheet to match what they ended up with was a pretty big 
cop out when the product failed to meet design expectations.   

  In calling for corrective optics, do you have any info or even a gut feel 
for whether the problem is in the feed or the dish?  Is it as simple as the 
dish is just too small?

I suspect that they managed to block part of the antenna feed horn with 
other components.  

  Also, is it just the gain is low, or does the 450b hi gain have other 
issues?  Like poor F/B or sidelobe performance or something?

It seems like if the 450b high gain is far away from other surfaces it 
works mostly to spec but when mounted in the typical locations near rooftops it 
seems like it either picks up more destructive multipath interference than 
previous designs or the antenna pattern distorts badly.  For a long time I 
thought they didn’t manage to get the feedhorn in the focus of the dish but 
Cambium assures me that it’s right.   We are seeing decent performance under 5 
miles but it seems to fall apart much quicker over 5 miles than would be 
expected.

We set up a test with the bucket truck and drove it out and measured every 
mile to 10 and it came back fine - but that was 50’ in the air with nothing 
around.   Yet swapping out standard 450 SM’s with beehive or KP dishes with 
450B’s at >5 miles routinely fails with poor signal.   The difference is often 
far more than the 2dB the spec sheets would indicate.   Sometimes it works if 
the antenna is well away from all other surfaces like on a tower but for the 
majority of installs the swap fails.   Why were we doing that anyway?  We 
wanted to start using 5.1/5.2.

  I know the 450b mid-gain is frustrating because apparently Cambium 
doesn’t think a tight vertical pattern is important.  I keep wondering if a top 
and bottom flap like on the old 2.4 Stingers would correct that.

  Cambium seems to be sharing antenna designs between ePMP and 450, so the 
same issues probably exist in the corresponding ePMP products.

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Re: [AFMUG] [] Re: [] corrective optics

2019-03-28 Thread Mark Radabaugh

What would you like to see?

Mark

> On Mar 28, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> How about some photos.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> 
>> If you ever do the experiment again, it would be interesting to rotate the 
>> antenna to see if there’s some kind of sidelobe pointed toward the ground or 
>> something.  Obviously you can’t install it rotated or upside down (unless 
>> you really trust that cable gland to seal against rain), but it would be 
>> interesting to see the results.  Like you said, maybe some component in the 
>> feed horn is blocking the RF.
>>  
>> Cambium is in a better position to investigate this, it’s disappointing if 
>> they aren’t taking it seriously.
>>  
>>  
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
>> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:19 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] corrective optics
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>  
>> In another thread, Mark Radabaugh posted:
>>  
>> “For your next product….   Corrective optics for 450B high gain CPE!”
>>  
>> Mark, I’m not sure if you were serious, I suspect yes.
>>  
>>  
>> Yes - but I’m not sure what is possible with the design.
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> I know it’s frustrating that the antenna gain is lower than the old 
>> reflector dish, Cambium dropped the number on the spec sheet to 24 dBi, but 
>> I think even that is optimistic, I think it’s about 2 dB less than the old 
>> combo which was supposed to be 25 dBi.  Lower antenna gain is going the 
>> wrong way!  I don’t care if it does have higher xmt power, that does nothing 
>> for the downstream direction.
>>  
>>  
>> Changing the spec sheet to match what they ended up with was a pretty big 
>> cop out when the product failed to meet design expectations.   
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> In calling for corrective optics, do you have any info or even a gut feel 
>> for whether the problem is in the feed or the dish?  Is it as simple as the 
>> dish is just too small?
>>  
>>  
>> I suspect that they managed to block part of the antenna feed horn with 
>> other components.  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Also, is it just the gain is low, or does the 450b hi gain have other 
>> issues?  Like poor F/B or sidelobe performance or something?
>>  
>> It seems like if the 450b high gain is far away from other surfaces it works 
>> mostly to spec but when mounted in the typical locations near rooftops it 
>> seems like it either picks up more destructive multipath interference than 
>> previous designs or the antenna pattern distorts badly.  For a long time I 
>> thought they didn’t manage to get the feedhorn in the focus of the dish but 
>> Cambium assures me that it’s right.   We are seeing decent performance under 
>> 5 miles but it seems to fall apart much quicker over 5 miles than would be 
>> expected.
>>  
>> We set up a test with the bucket truck and drove it out and measured every 
>> mile to 10 and it came back fine - but that was 50’ in the air with nothing 
>> around.   Yet swapping out standard 450 SM’s with beehive or KP dishes with 
>> 450B’s at >5 miles routinely fails with poor signal.   The difference is 
>> often far more than the 2dB the spec sheets would indicate.   Sometimes it 
>> works if the antenna is well away from all other surfaces like on a tower 
>> but for the majority of installs the swap fails.   Why were we doing that 
>> anyway?  We wanted to start using 5.1/5.2.
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> I know the 450b mid-gain is frustrating because apparently Cambium doesn’t 
>> think a tight vertical pattern is important.  I keep wondering if a top and 
>> bottom flap like on the old 2.4 Stingers would correct that.
>>  
>> Cambium seems to be sharing antenna designs between ePMP and 450, so the 
>> same issues probably exist in the corresponding ePMP products.
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Re: [AFMUG] [*] corrective optics

2019-03-28 Thread Chuck McCown

How about some photos.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> If you ever do the experiment again, it would be interesting to rotate the 
> antenna to see if there’s some kind of sidelobe pointed toward the ground or 
> something.  Obviously you can’t install it rotated or upside down (unless you 
> really trust that cable gland to seal against rain), but it would be 
> interesting to see the results.  Like you said, maybe some component in the 
> feed horn is blocking the RF.
>  
> Cambium is in a better position to investigate this, it’s disappointing if 
> they aren’t taking it seriously.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:19 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] corrective optics
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>  
> In another thread, Mark Radabaugh posted:
>  
> “For your next product….   Corrective optics for 450B high gain CPE!”
>  
> Mark, I’m not sure if you were serious, I suspect yes.
>  
>  
> Yes - but I’m not sure what is possible with the design.
> 
> 
>  
> I know it’s frustrating that the antenna gain is lower than the old reflector 
> dish, Cambium dropped the number on the spec sheet to 24 dBi, but I think 
> even that is optimistic, I think it’s about 2 dB less than the old combo 
> which was supposed to be 25 dBi.  Lower antenna gain is going the wrong way!  
> I don’t care if it does have higher xmt power, that does nothing for the 
> downstream direction.
>  
>  
> Changing the spec sheet to match what they ended up with was a pretty big cop 
> out when the product failed to meet design expectations.   
> 
> 
>  
> In calling for corrective optics, do you have any info or even a gut feel for 
> whether the problem is in the feed or the dish?  Is it as simple as the dish 
> is just too small?
>  
>  
> I suspect that they managed to block part of the antenna feed horn with other 
> components.  
>  
> 
> 
>  
> Also, is it just the gain is low, or does the 450b hi gain have other issues? 
>  Like poor F/B or sidelobe performance or something?
>  
> It seems like if the 450b high gain is far away from other surfaces it works 
> mostly to spec but when mounted in the typical locations near rooftops it 
> seems like it either picks up more destructive multipath interference than 
> previous designs or the antenna pattern distorts badly.  For a long time I 
> thought they didn’t manage to get the feedhorn in the focus of the dish but 
> Cambium assures me that it’s right.   We are seeing decent performance under 
> 5 miles but it seems to fall apart much quicker over 5 miles than would be 
> expected.
>  
> We set up a test with the bucket truck and drove it out and measured every 
> mile to 10 and it came back fine - but that was 50’ in the air with nothing 
> around.   Yet swapping out standard 450 SM’s with beehive or KP dishes with 
> 450B’s at >5 miles routinely fails with poor signal.   The difference is 
> often far more than the 2dB the spec sheets would indicate.   Sometimes it 
> works if the antenna is well away from all other surfaces like on a tower but 
> for the majority of installs the swap fails.   Why were we doing that anyway? 
>  We wanted to start using 5.1/5.2.
> 
> 
>  
> I know the 450b mid-gain is frustrating because apparently Cambium doesn’t 
> think a tight vertical pattern is important.  I keep wondering if a top and 
> bottom flap like on the old 2.4 Stingers would correct that.
>  
> Cambium seems to be sharing antenna designs between ePMP and 450, so the same 
> issues probably exist in the corresponding ePMP products.
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Re: [AFMUG] [*] corrective optics

If you ever do the experiment again, it would be interesting to rotate the 
antenna to see if there’s some kind of sidelobe pointed toward the ground or 
something.  Obviously you can’t install it rotated or upside down (unless you 
really trust that cable gland to seal against rain), but it would be 
interesting to see the results.  Like you said, maybe some component in the 
feed horn is blocking the RF.

 

Cambium is in a better position to investigate this, it’s disappointing if they 
aren’t taking it seriously.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [*] corrective optics

 

 





On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:11 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

 

In another thread, Mark Radabaugh posted:

 

“For your next product….   Corrective optics for 450B high gain CPE!”

 

Mark, I’m not sure if you were serious, I suspect yes.

 

 

Yes - but I’m not sure what is possible with the design.





 

I know it’s frustrating that the antenna gain is lower than the old reflector 
dish, Cambium dropped the number on the spec sheet to 24 dBi, but I think even 
that is optimistic, I think it’s about 2 dB less than the old combo which was 
supposed to be 25 dBi.  Lower antenna gain is going the wrong way!  I don’t 
care if it does have higher xmt power, that does nothing for the downstream 
direction.

 

 

Changing the spec sheet to match what they ended up with was a pretty big cop 
out when the product failed to meet design expectations.   





 

In calling for corrective optics, do you have any info or even a gut feel for 
whether the problem is in the feed or the dish?  Is it as simple as the dish is 
just too small?

 

 

I suspect that they managed to block part of the antenna feed horn with other 
components.  

 





 

Also, is it just the gain is low, or does the 450b hi gain have other issues?  
Like poor F/B or sidelobe performance or something?

 

It seems like if the 450b high gain is far away from other surfaces it works 
mostly to spec but when mounted in the typical locations near rooftops it seems 
like it either picks up more destructive multipath interference than previous 
designs or the antenna pattern distorts badly.  For a long time I thought they 
didn’t manage to get the feedhorn in the focus of the dish but Cambium assures 
me that it’s right.   We are seeing decent performance under 5 miles but it 
seems to fall apart much quicker over 5 miles than would be expected.

 

We set up a test with the bucket truck and drove it out and measured every mile 
to 10 and it came back fine - but that was 50’ in the air with nothing around.  
 Yet swapping out standard 450 SM’s with beehive or KP dishes with 450B’s at >5 
miles routinely fails with poor signal.   The difference is often far more than 
the 2dB the spec sheets would indicate.   Sometimes it works if the antenna is 
well away from all other surfaces like on a tower but for the majority of 
installs the swap fails.   Why were we doing that anyway?  We wanted to start 
using 5.1/5.2.





 

I know the 450b mid-gain is frustrating because apparently Cambium doesn’t 
think a tight vertical pattern is important.  I keep wondering if a top and 
bottom flap like on the old 2.4 Stingers would correct that.

 

Cambium seems to be sharing antenna designs between ePMP and 450, so the same 
issues probably exist in the corresponding ePMP products.

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