date:20200130

I wish somebody would grow the ditchweed by today's standards that I smoked
in high school. This stuff today is actual drugs. How's about you apply to
be a niche grower. Could be wireless beehighve ditchweed

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 7:06 PM  wrote:

> I seriously considered trying for a license to be one of the 10 official
> pot plantations in Utah.  If I knew anything at all about growing I might
> have gotten serious.  I have the place and all the other qualifications
> needed to apply.  Oh well, my heart wasn’t really in it either.  It was
> just an opportunity.  The businessman in me was the only one that wanted to
> do it.
>
> So far in my life I have avoided being in the guns and drugs supply
> business.
>
> WRT investments.  I have to think Boeing is worth buying.  Not sure if I
> have the courage to try.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:02 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT sometimes I get lucky
>
>
> Well, you could buy Constellation Brands, maker of Corona beer.
>
>
>
> According to the Internet, it either causes or cures the coronavirus.  So
> it could go up or down.  Apparently they are also in the marijuana business.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:54 PM
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>
>
>
> Yeah, just gonna let it ride.  Hopefully I get to keep most of it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 5:00 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
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> 
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> You haven't gotten lucky yet unless you sold.
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> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:31 PM  wrote:
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> My FXAIX index fund YTD is 31.4%
>
>
>
> S 500 is 22%
>
>
>
> Of course a correction is coming, it always does, but it has been a great
> year.
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>
> I was too chicken to buy Tesla.  185 back in May.  643 today.
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers

Live presenters, having definitive answers to caveat questions in real
time. People in the room that are answering questions are probably on first
name basis with people from winnforum.

I'm not sure how limited the icd folks are with their NDAs but I hope they
can soon speak to the installation and alignment issue. With predeployment
via cnmaestro I dont see it being a major issue, the biggest thing would be
if you know the candidate install can see 2 or 3 base stations, you have to
Dr some pretty good path profiling to pick one, it sounds like you won't be
able to have multiple grants for the same cpe, you may need to test with 3
cpes in that case, pita, but no different than testing multiple systems.
April is going to be crazy when people start realizing that the cowboy up
mentality just won't work. No matter how much they don't like it. I foresee
a bump of equipment on the used gear market in May and June as folks get
mad and walk away from the band. And when SAS 2.0 comes out and the 4x20mhz
full EIRP sectors don't have 80mhz anymore note full EIRP, I see some
chapters of bankruptcy for some operators. And some more people walking
away. Those of us that stay in and follow the rules from the get go will
actually be able to increase our service quality and reliability. (I sure
hope that's what happens since I'm dropping the bosses coin like it's hot).
It's going to be a madhouse between 1 and 2 also I think because there will
need to be some on the fly modifications from winnforum/FCC as the issues
of scale not present in icd will surface.
Then the investors drop the PAL bombs.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 8:52 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Well, the WISPs like Amplex that did ICD are several steps ahead of the
> rest of us.  But they probably have some bruises to show for it.
>
>
>
> I went through the first module of the Cambium online course.  It’s OK,
> not great, either it’s not the same as what you took, or the live presenter
> adds a lot.  Or perhaps you were seduced by the sandwiches.
>
>
>
> If some equipment can’t transmit until the day after installation, how the
> heck do they align and test it?  I guess you could do alignment in receive
> only mode, but that would be a big change in philosophy to pack up and
> leave the install without verifying that it works.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 7:08 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers
>
>
>
> The SAS is the winnforum database, as I understand it the administrators
> just input the data, SAS does the math and does the grants, not the
> administrators. Market will be extras like predictions, real time CBRS
> propagation mapping and visibility. Path profiling. Cambium does them
> virtual cbsd so you can predeploy and not delay installs 24 hours waiting
> on a grant. That's not really an administrator feature as it is your pseudo
> epc.
>
> From the sounds of it, the sas administrators are just there so winnforum
> doesn't have to deal with every yokel and his cousin Pauly spitting garbage
> data into their database.
>
> Grant times are key, because it's not like now where you go on site and
> install after testing around. You have to wait til the SAS sync at night (I
> forget the process name) to get your grant. So the cbsd doesn't actually go
> active until then. That's where your predeploy through cnmaestro beats
> everybody. You can put in loose data, then that night around 1130 you ask
> for a new grant with your more accurate cpi data, the customer goes offline
> until the grant is authorized.
>
> Surprisingly this process is really clearly defined in the cambium class,
> the CPI training just glosses over it.
>
> Maybe somebody with some cambium pull could get Matt to go over the
> amazing slide deck in a webinar, maybe talk nice and get the 450 lady to
> sit in.
>
> I can almost bet that when it goes live, cambium operators who sat in will
> be 100 times more prepared for the ins and outs. It will still be a
> cluster, but positioning is better.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 6:49 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I’ve got requests into a couple of the SAS choices asking why are you the
> best choice.  The “choose wisely” thing puts some pressure on.  Also makes
> you think about what happens if there’s a shakeout.  With 4 now and more in
> the pipeline, it’s possible some of the spaghetti won’t stick to the wall.
>
>
>
> Are there differences on things like frequency reuse between your own
> sectors and even other friendly WISPs based on the way we have
> traditionally done frequency planning on Cambium stuff with GPS sync?  What
> about requesting and granting channels larger than 10 MHz (20, 30, 40 …
> well at least 20)?  Are they pretty much the same on that, or do they
> differentiate themselves?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 5:40 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

I'm betting CEO bonuses weren't an eligible expense for CAF, but I 
couldn't say for sure.


Even if these scenarios went exactly as described, I'm not entirely sure 
what the logical conclusion we're supposed to draw is.  Is it "Frontier 
used public funds inappropriately, therefore we should not make effort 
to ensure appropriate use of public funds"? Even if the first part is 
true, the second doesn't really follow.


I'm guessing from your ideas earlier that you're saying the bidder 
should be vetted ahead of time rather than audited after the fact.  I 
suspect it would actually be easier to cheat that way.



On 1/30/2020 9:01 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Frontier - took CAF funding.
CEO took huge payouts
CEO buys Ferrari
Frontier - Declares bankruptcy

Limitless Mobile - gets 35 million
Builds multi county “rural” broadband network in the most populated areas of 
the counties.
Promptly declares bankruptcy


On Jan 30, 2020, at 4:27 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

A clever enough cheater will always find a way to cheat, but you can't make it 
too easy.

For NY BPO "Connect NY" there was physical verification that each piece of equipment you 
bought actually existed somewhere.whether in the field or in storage.  The auditor seemed 
satisfied with a list of serial numbers plus photographs of all the installations.  We made it very 
well organized for them: "Rectifier A, Backhaul B, and Base Station C are located at Site X.  
Here are our installation photos from Site X."

You probably wanted good records of what's installed anyway, and if someone 
takes the time to fake all of that, then maybe they deserve their Ferrari.

Can you think of a project where there was blatant fraud like that?  I can 
certainly think of times when they made poor product choices, or ended up with 
unused equipment due to a design change in the middle of the project, or they 
bought 20 of the wrong thing and had to go back and buy 20 of the correct 
thing..or something was otherwise screwed up or mismanaged.  I actually 
can't think of any project where people bought personal toys (like a Ferrari) 
with public funds, or any other type of fraud along those lines.  If you saw 
something like that, I hope you reported it.  I used it as an example of what 
people would do if there was no auditing.  There is auditing and consequently I 
don't think people are doing that.



On 1/30/2020 4:12 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Except that there IS auditing now... and we DO end up with this exact scenario 
happening currently.  It's not stopping it.


On 1/30/20 4:08 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I'd rather not stress over audits, but auditing is a necessary evil IMO.  If 
there were no auditing then there's someone, somewhere who would buy a Ferrari 
and supply a fake invoice for rectifiers instead. I'm sure everyone on this 
list can think of someone they've dealt with who ought to have their homework 
double checked.


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Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers

Well, the WISPs like Amplex that did ICD are several steps ahead of the rest of 
us.  But they probably have some bruises to show for it.

I went through the first module of the Cambium online course.  It’s OK, not 
great, either it’s not the same as what you took, or the live presenter adds a 
lot.  Or perhaps you were seduced by the sandwiches.

If some equipment can’t transmit until the day after installation, how the heck 
do they align and test it?  I guess you could do alignment in receive only 
mode, but that would be a big change in philosophy to pack up and leave the 
install without verifying that it works.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 7:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers

The SAS is the winnforum database, as I understand it the administrators just 
input the data, SAS does the math and does the grants, not the administrators. 
Market will be extras like predictions, real time CBRS propagation mapping and 
visibility. Path profiling. Cambium does them virtual cbsd so you can predeploy 
and not delay installs 24 hours waiting on a grant. That's not really an 
administrator feature as it is your pseudo epc. 

>From the sounds of it, the sas administrators are just there so winnforum 
>doesn't have to deal with every yokel and his cousin Pauly spitting garbage 
>data into their database.

Grant times are key, because it's not like now where you go on site and install 
after testing around. You have to wait til the SAS sync at night (I forget the 
process name) to get your grant. So the cbsd doesn't actually go active until 
then. That's where your predeploy through cnmaestro beats everybody. You can 
put in loose data, then that night around 1130 you ask for a new grant with 
your more accurate cpi data, the customer goes offline until the grant is 
authorized.

Surprisingly this process is really clearly defined in the cambium class, the 
CPI training just glosses over it. 

Maybe somebody with some cambium pull could get Matt to go over the amazing 
slide deck in a webinar, maybe talk nice and get the 450 lady to sit in.

I can almost bet that when it goes live, cambium operators who sat in will be 
100 times more prepared for the ins and outs. It will still be a cluster, but 
positioning is better.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 6:49 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I’ve got requests into a couple of the SAS choices asking why are you the best 
choice.  The “choose wisely” thing puts some pressure on.  Also makes you think 
about what happens if there’s a shakeout.  With 4 now and more in the pipeline, 
it’s possible some of the spaghetti won’t stick to the wall.

Are there differences on things like frequency reuse between your own sectors 
and even other friendly WISPs based on the way we have traditionally done 
frequency planning on Cambium stuff with GPS sync?  What about requesting and 
granting channels larger than 10 MHz (20, 30, 40 … well at least 20)?  Are they 
pretty much the same on that, or do they differentiate themselves?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 5:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers

Cambium does it all for you. you turn up CBRS in Cnmaestro, then select the SAS 
administrator. You get 1 bill, then they pay the administrator. You still get 
an account to interact directly with the administrator. They very much stress 
to choose wisely upfront, changing administrators mid stream can be a nightmare 
they said, all of your grants have to be revoked and redone.

It was brought up using this sas administrator account for non cambium, but 
that may cause weird billing issues, so dealing directly with the administrator 
would probably be best on that. 

It may be worth turning up cnmaestro, requesting CBRS and picking the vendor to 
get the account set up correctly anyway.

One thing they did say too is that delinquencies are a manual process, so if 
you have some weird billing thing, your SAS account wont be suspended (assuming 
cambium pays the bill). But the point is you wont wake up one morning to a dead 
network because cambium lost an ippay token

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 5:10 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Specifically for Cambium and cnMaestro as a Domain Proxy, I’m still a little 
unclear if we first establish an account with one of the SAS vendors.  Or just 
select one as part of switching cnMaestro cloud to CBRS mode.  Cambium collects 
the money from us and pays the SAS vendor, so I’m assuming any discussion here 
about $5K upfront payments doesn’t apply.  Not sure about NDA.  I haven’t come 
across anything in the Cambium instructions or online training yet that say to 
sign up with Federated, Comsearch or Google first.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

Frontier - took CAF funding. 
CEO took huge payouts
CEO buys Ferrari
Frontier - Declares bankruptcy 

Limitless Mobile - gets 35 million
Builds multi county “rural” broadband network in the most populated areas of 
the counties. 
Promptly declares bankruptcy

> On Jan 30, 2020, at 4:27 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> A clever enough cheater will always find a way to cheat, but you can't make 
> it too easy.
> 
> For NY BPO "Connect NY" there was physical verification that each piece of 
> equipment you bought actually existed somewhere.whether in the field or 
> in storage.  The auditor seemed satisfied with a list of serial numbers plus 
> photographs of all the installations.  We made it very well organized for 
> them: "Rectifier A, Backhaul B, and Base Station C are located at Site X.  
> Here are our installation photos from Site X."
> 
> You probably wanted good records of what's installed anyway, and if someone 
> takes the time to fake all of that, then maybe they deserve their Ferrari.
> 
> Can you think of a project where there was blatant fraud like that?  I can 
> certainly think of times when they made poor product choices, or ended up 
> with unused equipment due to a design change in the middle of the project, or 
> they bought 20 of the wrong thing and had to go back and buy 20 of the 
> correct thing..or something was otherwise screwed up or mismanaged.  I 
> actually can't think of any project where people bought personal toys (like a 
> Ferrari) with public funds, or any other type of fraud along those lines.  If 
> you saw something like that, I hope you reported it.  I used it as an example 
> of what people would do if there was no auditing.  There is auditing and 
> consequently I don't think people are doing that.
> 
> 
>> On 1/30/2020 4:12 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Except that there IS auditing now... and we DO end up with this exact 
>> scenario happening currently.  It's not stopping it.
>> 
>>> On 1/30/20 4:08 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> I'd rather not stress over audits, but auditing is a necessary evil IMO.  
>>> If there were no auditing then there's someone, somewhere who would buy a 
>>> Ferrari and supply a fake invoice for rectifiers instead. I'm sure everyone 
>>> on this list can think of someone they've dealt with who ought to have 
>>> their homework double checked.

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Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-30 Thread Dev

From FCC announcement Re: RDOF:

The first phase of the Rural Digital Opportunity Fund will begin later this 
year and target census blocks that are wholly unserved with fixed broadband at 
speeds of at least 25/3 Mbps. This phase would make available up to $16 billion 
to census blocks where existing data shows there is no such service available 
whatsoever. Funds will be allocated through a multi-round reverse auction like 
that used in 2018’s Connect America Fund (CAF) Phase II auction. FCC staff’s 
preliminary estimate is that about six million rural homes and businesses are 
located in areas initially eligible for bidding in the Phase I auction. 

So will this be useful for us?

> On Jan 29, 2020, at 2:02 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> CAF-II bidding is long since over, and RDOF isn’t out yet.   The rules for 
> both programs, while available to WISP’s have significant hurdles that keep 
> smaller entities from bidding on them - audited financials, letters of 
> credit, PE sign off, telephone service offerings, CLEC status, etc.   While 
> it’s theoretically possible to apply for these as a small WISP the reality is 
> it’s very difficult unless you are a couple million/year company to start 
> with.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 1:07 PM, Dev  wrote:
>> 
>> Got a question from an elected official type about why bids have been slow 
>> to come in for CAF-II, and also looking at RDOF and the satellite "lock up”. 
>> I’m sure there are some opinions here, any you wish to relate?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180

2020-01-30 Thread Mike Hammett

I believe it's a bit closer to 67%. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Mark Radabaugh"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 1:49:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180 

Speed of light in glass varies but it’s about 80% of vacuum. Density matters! 
Or is it matter makes density? If your dense does it matter? If you're not 
matter does that give you energy? 


Mark 





On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 



I think he means bandwidth as opposed to "speed". Surely latency would be 
almost indistinguishable. However, there could be a lot of difference in the 
bandwidth. Regardless of the sat-to-sat speed, the downlink/uplink will still 
be the gating factor. 
bp
 
On 1/30/2020 11:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 





In a vacuum it should be the same. 




From: can...@believewireless.net 
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:36 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180 



What's the difference in speed between the laser and RF links? 


On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:40 AM Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 




Not what I read. The early sats (the ones other than the first 60) do not have 
the laser communications between them, but they do have an RF link between 
them. They are functional. 

bp
 
On 1/29/2020 7:56 PM, Ryan Ray wrote: 



The sats that are up there now also are not equipped to communicate with each 
other. There is no inner satellite communication. Everything has to come down 
to ground stations right now. 


On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:08 PM Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 



SpaceX got another 60 Starlink sats into orbit this morning. That brings 
the functional constellation to 180 sats. The first batch of 60 don't 
count since they are not equipped to communicate with each other. 
Various reports say either 300 or 400 sats are required to get a basic 
minimal functioning system. At the rate they're going, this may mean 
they will have achieved their goal in another couple of months (they 
want to do 2 launches per month). 

https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-3-satellites-launch-rocket-landing-success.html
 

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Re: [AFMUG] CPI training & exam

2020-01-30 Thread David Coudron

I am quite sure I received it, but I keep my old texts to a minimum so I can’t 
verity that.

Sorry, not much help 

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 5:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CPI training & exam

any of you guys who did CPI having problems receiving the text message? They 
said i need to be able to receive international texts, i didnt eve know that 
was a thing

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 8:21 AM Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
CPNI vs. CPI

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From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 4:11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CPI training & exam
OK, I just gotta ask:  this CPI of which you speak must not be Customer 
Proprietary Information...

?

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 3:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CPI training & exam

I just took the commsearch exam through proctoru. Its pretty easy exam, i 
missed one, it takes like ten minutes

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 8:24 PM Eric Nielsen 
mailto:ericlniel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Online is easier. You can study at your leisure, but all exams are proctored.
Comsearch is still pushing their promotion, which I believe is the cheapest 
option.

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Has anyone here taken the CPI training, either online or in person?  Any
recommendation which is best?  I'm thinking online would be more self-paced,
but WISPA is offering in person at WISPAmerica.  However that likely means
staying an extra day.

Also what format does the exam take?  Is it in person if you take the course
in person?  Online at a later date?  Retake if you fail?  Does anyone fail?

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The other thing about giant tech companies like Google, Amazon, and SpaceX is 
they can do even giant projects at a loss.  Eventually they may intend to make 
a profit, but meanwhile they have used other peoples money to drive you out of 
business.  There are also startups that lose money like crazy chasing market 
share, like ridesharing and coworking companies, although big funds like 
Softbank seem to be learning not to throw billions at startups without a 
business plan to reach

Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers

The SAS is the winnforum database, as I understand it the administrators
just input the data, SAS does the math and does the grants, not the
administrators. Market will be extras like predictions, real time CBRS
propagation mapping and visibility. Path profiling. Cambium does them
virtual cbsd so you can predeploy and not delay installs 24 hours waiting
on a grant. That's not really an administrator feature as it is your pseudo
epc.
>From the sounds of it, the sas administrators are just there so winnforum
doesn't have to deal with every yokel and his cousin Pauly spitting garbage
data into their database.
Grant times are key, because it's not like now where you go on site and
install after testing around. You have to wait til the SAS sync at night (I
forget the process name) to get your grant. So the cbsd doesn't actually go
active until then. That's where your predeploy through cnmaestro beats
everybody. You can put in loose data, then that night around 1130 you ask
for a new grant with your more accurate cpi data, the customer goes offline
until the grant is authorized.
Surprisingly this process is really clearly defined in the cambium class,
the CPI training just glosses over it.
Maybe somebody with some cambium pull could get Matt to go over the amazing
slide deck in a webinar, maybe talk nice and get the 450 lady to sit in.
I can almost bet that when it goes live, cambium operators who sat in will
be 100 times more prepared for the ins and outs. It will still be a
cluster, but positioning is better.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 6:49 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I’ve got requests into a couple of the SAS choices asking why are you the
> best choice.  The “choose wisely” thing puts some pressure on.  Also makes
> you think about what happens if there’s a shakeout.  With 4 now and more in
> the pipeline, it’s possible some of the spaghetti won’t stick to the wall.
>
>
>
> Are there differences on things like frequency reuse between your own
> sectors and even other friendly WISPs based on the way we have
> traditionally done frequency planning on Cambium stuff with GPS sync?  What
> about requesting and granting channels larger than 10 MHz (20, 30, 40 …
> well at least 20)?  Are they pretty much the same on that, or do they
> differentiate themselves?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 5:40 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers
>
>
>
> Cambium does it all for you. you turn up CBRS in Cnmaestro, then
> select the SAS administrator. You get 1 bill, then they pay the
> administrator. You still get an account to interact directly with the
> administrator. They very much stress to choose wisely upfront, changing
> administrators mid stream can be a nightmare they said, all of your grants
> have to be revoked and redone.
>
> It was brought up using this sas administrator account for non cambium,
> but that may cause weird billing issues, so dealing directly with the
> administrator would probably be best on that.
>
> It may be worth turning up cnmaestro, requesting CBRS and picking the
> vendor to get the account set up correctly anyway.
>
> One thing they did say too is that delinquencies are a manual process, so
> if you have some weird billing thing, your SAS account wont be suspended
> (assuming cambium pays the bill). But the point is you wont wake up one
> morning to a dead network because cambium lost an ippay token
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 5:10 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Specifically for Cambium and cnMaestro as a Domain Proxy, I’m still a
> little unclear if we first establish an account with one of the SAS
> vendors.  Or just select one as part of switching cnMaestro cloud to CBRS
> mode.  Cambium collects the money from us and pays the SAS vendor, so I’m
> assuming any discussion here about $5K upfront payments doesn’t apply.  Not
> sure about NDA.  I haven’t come across anything in the Cambium instructions
> or online training yet that say to sign up with Federated, Comsearch or
> Google first.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 4:39 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers
>
>
>
> I deal with Ernie Gibson egibson at comsearch dot com He is all about
> getting you info and in the right email chain. They have so many cost
> effective services for our industry. Theyre also working up some CBRS
> planning that seems like it will be beneficial, especially if you are
> thinking you might want to bid on PALs. they have the biggest GIS (please
> make them a meme about that)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:30 PM Eric Nielsen 
> wrote:
>
> I can’t speak for the other SAS providers, but I can definitely affirm
> that CommScope is working directly with licensees.
>
> If you’d like to discuss further feel free to contact me or any of the
> reps here at Comsearch/CommScope.
>
> Eric dot Nielsen

Re: [AFMUG] OT sometimes I get lucky

Well, you could buy Constellation Brands, maker of Corona beer.

 

According to the Internet, it either causes or cures the coronavirus.  So it 
could go up or down.  Apparently they are also in the marijuana business.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT sometimes I get lucky

 

Yeah, just gonna let it ride.  Hopefully I get to keep most of it.

Sent from my iPhone





On Jan 30, 2020, at 5:00 PM, Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > wrote:



You haven't gotten lucky yet unless you sold.

 

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:31 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

My FXAIX index fund YTD is 31.4%

 

S 500 is 22%

 

Of course a correction is coming, it always does, but it has been a great year. 
 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT sometimes I get lucky

2020-01-30 Thread Chuck McCown

Yeah, just gonna let it ride.  Hopefully I get to keep most of it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2020, at 5:00 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> 
> 
> You haven't gotten lucky yet unless you sold.
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:31 PM  wrote:
>> My FXAIX index fund YTD is 31.4%
>>  
>> S 500 is 22%
>>  
>> Of course a correction is coming, it always does, but it has been a great 
>> year. 
>>  
>> I was too chicken to buy Tesla.  185 back in May.  643 today. 
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers

I’ve got requests into a couple of the SAS choices asking why are you the best 
choice.  The “choose wisely” thing puts some pressure on.  Also makes you think 
about what happens if there’s a shakeout.  With 4 now and more in the pipeline, 
it’s possible some of the spaghetti won’t stick to the wall.

Are there differences on things like frequency reuse between your own sectors 
and even other friendly WISPs based on the way we have traditionally done 
frequency planning on Cambium stuff with GPS sync?  What about requesting and 
granting channels larger than 10 MHz (20, 30, 40 … well at least 20)?  Are they 
pretty much the same on that, or do they differentiate themselves?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 5:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers

Cambium does it all for you. you turn up CBRS in Cnmaestro, then select the SAS 
administrator. You get 1 bill, then they pay the administrator. You still get 
an account to interact directly with the administrator. They very much stress 
to choose wisely upfront, changing administrators mid stream can be a nightmare 
they said, all of your grants have to be revoked and redone.

It was brought up using this sas administrator account for non cambium, but 
that may cause weird billing issues, so dealing directly with the administrator 
would probably be best on that. 

It may be worth turning up cnmaestro, requesting CBRS and picking the vendor to 
get the account set up correctly anyway.

One thing they did say too is that delinquencies are a manual process, so if 
you have some weird billing thing, your SAS account wont be suspended (assuming 
cambium pays the bill). But the point is you wont wake up one morning to a dead 
network because cambium lost an ippay token

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 5:10 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Specifically for Cambium and cnMaestro as a Domain Proxy, I’m still a little 
unclear if we first establish an account with one of the SAS vendors.  Or just 
select one as part of switching cnMaestro cloud to CBRS mode.  Cambium collects 
the money from us and pays the SAS vendor, so I’m assuming any discussion here 
about $5K upfront payments doesn’t apply.  Not sure about NDA.  I haven’t come 
across anything in the Cambium instructions or online training yet that say to 
sign up with Federated, Comsearch or Google first.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 4:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers

I deal with Ernie Gibson egibson at comsearch dot com He is all about getting 
you info and in the right email chain. They have so many cost effective 
services for our industry. Theyre also working up some CBRS planning that seems 
like it will be beneficial, especially if you are thinking you might want to 
bid on PALs. they have the biggest GIS (please make them a meme about that)

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:30 PM Eric Nielsen mailto:ericlniel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I can’t speak for the other SAS providers, but I can definitely affirm that 
CommScope is working directly with licensees.

If you’d like to discuss further feel free to contact me or any of the reps 
here at Comsearch/CommScope.

Eric dot Nielsen at CommScope dot com

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:56 PM Eric Muehleisen mailto:ericm...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Federated will ask for an NDA then eventually tell you that they will only work 
with equipment manufacturers or if you have a pile of mobile subscribers. These 
SAS providers are really only interested in dealing directly with manufacturers.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:02 PM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

Has anyone actually gotten signed up?   Google has a very long drawn out 
procedure and a $5k deposit requirement.  No one from Commscope will 
contact me. working on Federated now.

On 1/27/20 3:01 PM, Eric Nielsen wrote:
> The FCC just certified the first round of SAS providers - CommScope, 
> Federated, Google and Sony.
> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-110A1.pdf
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Re: [AFMUG] OT sometimes I get lucky

2020-01-30 Thread Lewis Bergman

You haven't gotten lucky yet unless you sold.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:31 PM  wrote:

> My FXAIX index fund YTD is 31.4%
>
> S 500 is 22%
>
> Of course a correction is coming, it always does, but it has been a great
> year.
>
> I was too chicken to buy Tesla.  185 back in May.  643 today.
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers

Cambium does it all for you. you turn up CBRS in Cnmaestro, then select the
SAS administrator. You get 1 bill, then they pay the administrator. You
still get an account to interact directly with the administrator. They very
much stress to choose wisely upfront, changing administrators mid stream
can be a nightmare they said, all of your grants have to be revoked and
redone.
It was brought up using this sas administrator account for non cambium, but
that may cause weird billing issues, so dealing directly with the
administrator would probably be best on that.
It may be worth turning up cnmaestro, requesting CBRS and picking the
vendor to get the account set up correctly anyway.
One thing they did say too is that delinquencies are a manual process, so
if you have some weird billing thing, your SAS account wont be suspended
(assuming cambium pays the bill). But the point is you wont wake up one
morning to a dead network because cambium lost an ippay token


On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 5:10 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Specifically for Cambium and cnMaestro as a Domain Proxy, I’m still a
> little unclear if we first establish an account with one of the SAS
> vendors.  Or just select one as part of switching cnMaestro cloud to CBRS
> mode.  Cambium collects the money from us and pays the SAS vendor, so I’m
> assuming any discussion here about $5K upfront payments doesn’t apply.  Not
> sure about NDA.  I haven’t come across anything in the Cambium instructions
> or online training yet that say to sign up with Federated, Comsearch or
> Google first.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 4:39 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers
>
>
>
> I deal with Ernie Gibson egibson at comsearch dot com He is all about
> getting you info and in the right email chain. They have so many cost
> effective services for our industry. Theyre also working up some CBRS
> planning that seems like it will be beneficial, especially if you are
> thinking you might want to bid on PALs. they have the biggest GIS (please
> make them a meme about that)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:30 PM Eric Nielsen 
> wrote:
>
> I can’t speak for the other SAS providers, but I can definitely affirm
> that CommScope is working directly with licensees.
>
> If you’d like to discuss further feel free to contact me or any of the
> reps here at Comsearch/CommScope.
>
> Eric dot Nielsen at CommScope dot com
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:56 PM Eric Muehleisen 
> wrote:
>
> Federated will ask for an NDA then eventually tell you that they will only
> work with equipment manufacturers or if you have a pile of mobile
> subscribers. These SAS providers are really only interested in dealing
> directly with manufacturers.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:02 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> Has anyone actually gotten signed up?   Google has a very long drawn out
> procedure and a $5k deposit requirement.  No one from Commscope will
> contact me. working on Federated now.
>
> On 1/27/20 3:01 PM, Eric Nielsen wrote:
> > The FCC just certified the first round of SAS providers - CommScope,
> > Federated, Google and Sony.
> > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-110A1.pdf
> >
>
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers

Specifically for Cambium and cnMaestro as a Domain Proxy, I’m still a little 
unclear if we first establish an account with one of the SAS vendors.  Or just 
select one as part of switching cnMaestro cloud to CBRS mode.  Cambium collects 
the money from us and pays the SAS vendor, so I’m assuming any discussion here 
about $5K upfront payments doesn’t apply.  Not sure about NDA.  I haven’t come 
across anything in the Cambium instructions or online training yet that say to 
sign up with Federated, Comsearch or Google first.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 4:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers

I deal with Ernie Gibson egibson at comsearch dot com He is all about getting 
you info and in the right email chain. They have so many cost effective 
services for our industry. Theyre also working up some CBRS planning that seems 
like it will be beneficial, especially if you are thinking you might want to 
bid on PALs. they have the biggest GIS (please make them a meme about that)

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:30 PM Eric Nielsen mailto:ericlniel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I can’t speak for the other SAS providers, but I can definitely affirm that 
CommScope is working directly with licensees.

If you’d like to discuss further feel free to contact me or any of the reps 
here at Comsearch/CommScope.

Eric dot Nielsen at CommScope dot com

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:56 PM Eric Muehleisen mailto:ericm...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Federated will ask for an NDA then eventually tell you that they will only work 
with equipment manufacturers or if you have a pile of mobile subscribers. These 
SAS providers are really only interested in dealing directly with manufacturers.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:02 PM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

Has anyone actually gotten signed up?   Google has a very long drawn out 
procedure and a $5k deposit requirement.  No one from Commscope will 
contact me. working on Federated now.

On 1/27/20 3:01 PM, Eric Nielsen wrote:
> The FCC just certified the first round of SAS providers - CommScope, 
> Federated, Google and Sony.
> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-110A1.pdf
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers

2020-01-30 Thread Eric Nielsen

Good ole Ernie. Our desks are about six feet as part.
Either of us can certainly help out.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 5:40 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I deal with Ernie Gibson egibson at comsearch dot com He is all about
> getting you info and in the right email chain. They have so many cost
> effective services for our industry. Theyre also working up some CBRS
> planning that seems like it will be beneficial, especially if you are
> thinking you might want to bid on PALs. they have the biggest GIS (please
> make them a meme about that)
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:30 PM Eric Nielsen 
> wrote:
>
>> I can’t speak for the other SAS providers, but I can definitely affirm
>> that CommScope is working directly with licensees.
>> If you’d like to discuss further feel free to contact me or any of the
>> reps here at Comsearch/CommScope.
>> Eric dot Nielsen at CommScope dot com
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:56 PM Eric Muehleisen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Federated will ask for an NDA then eventually tell you that they will
>>> only work with equipment manufacturers or if you have a pile of mobile
>>> subscribers. These SAS providers are really only interested in dealing
>>> directly with manufacturers.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:02 PM Matt Hoppes <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
 Has anyone actually gotten signed up?   Google has a very long drawn
 out
 procedure and a $5k deposit requirement.  No one from Commscope will
 contact me. working on Federated now.

 On 1/27/20 3:01 PM, Eric Nielsen wrote:
 > The FCC just certified the first round of SAS providers - CommScope,
 > Federated, Google and Sony.
 > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-110A1.pdf
 >

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Re: [AFMUG] CPI training & exam

any of you guys who did CPI having problems receiving the text message?
They said i need to be able to receive international texts, i didnt eve
know that was a thing

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 8:21 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> CPNI vs. CPI
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
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> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 23, 2020 4:11:26 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CPI training & exam
>
> OK, I just gotta ask:  this CPI of which you speak must not be Customer
> Proprietary Information...
>
> ?
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 3:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CPI training & exam
>
> I just took the commsearch exam through proctoru. Its pretty easy exam, i
> missed one, it takes like ten minutes
>
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 8:24 PM Eric Nielsen 
> wrote:
>
>> Online is easier. You can study at your leisure, but all exams are
>> proctored.
>> Comsearch is still pushing their promotion, which I believe is the
>> cheapest option.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 9:12 PM  wrote:
>>
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>>> self-paced,
>>> but WISPA is offering in person at WISPAmerica.  However that likely
>>> means
>>> staying an extra day.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also what format does the exam take?  Is it in person if you take the
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>>> The other thing about giant tech companies like Google, Amazon, and
>>> SpaceX is they can do even giant projects at a loss.  Eventually they may
>>> intend to make a profit, but meanwhile they have used other peoples money
>>> to drive you out of business.  There are also startups that lose money like
>>> crazy chasing market share, like ridesharing and coworking companies,
>>> although big funds like Softbank seem to be learning not to throw billions
>>> at startups without a business plan to reach profitability.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 2:18 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Future
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm still very wary of this. There seems to be a lot of over-promising
>>> under delivering. In typical Elon fashion, no details but the world runs
>>> with it and puts out all these data models that make it seem like the
>>> second coming of christ. Customer CPE is a pizza box ufo <$200 and they are
>>> starting in 2020, but there's no pictures or details. How is that even
>>> possible? We're buying 450b at a more expensive cost and there ain't no
>>> phased

Re: [AFMUG] Generator advice..

2020-01-30 Thread Nate Burke

We've seen that too, running an (industrial) 120v garage door opener,
pulled one leg out of phase/voltage enough with the starting current
that the control board shutdown the generator (15kw diesel). It ran a
5ton 240v AC unit cycling on and off just fine.

On 1/30/2020 4:49 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Using 240V AC may help with that.

We had trouble where the generator had way more load on one hot leg
than the other. It ran rough and stalled often.

On 1/30/2020 5:14 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
The only reason you might have trouble is the air conditioning
starting load. I have seen them cause a generator to stall and die
before.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:16 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

We're shopping for a generator for one of our larger POP's. The
electrical contractor is recommending this:

https://www.generac.com/all-products/generators/home-backup-generators/guardian-series/22kw-7043-whole-house-switch-wifi-enabled

This would be supporting 4 30A circuits (powering 4 APC UPS) that
are currently drawing about 30A between them (powering network gear
and servers). There is also one of the on-wall indoor/outdoor air
conditioners in this room - unsure what it's drawing.

The contractor also seems to think that this generator, with a
second transfer switch can power the remainder of the small building
which includes some lighting, a refrigerator and some small
electronics like PC's, etc.

Can someone who actually knows something about generators and this
kind of stuff give me some advice here? Will this generator support
our load and not fall over?

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Re: [AFMUG] Generator advice..


Using 240V AC may help with that.

We had trouble where the generator had way more load on one hot leg than 
the other.  It ran rough and stalled often.



On 1/30/2020 5:14 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
The only reason you might have trouble is the air conditioning 
starting load.  I have seen them cause a generator to stall and die 
before.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:16 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:


We're shopping for a generator for one of our larger POP's.  The 
electrical contractor is recommending this:


https://www.generac.com/all-products/generators/home-backup-generators/guardian-series/22kw-7043-whole-house-switch-wifi-enabled

This would be supporting 4 30A circuits (powering 4 APC UPS) that are 
currently drawing about 30A between them (powering network gear and 
servers).  There is also one of the on-wall indoor/outdoor air 
conditioners in this room - unsure what it's drawing.


The contractor also seems to think that this generator, with a second 
transfer switch can power the remainder of the small building which 
includes some lighting, a refrigerator and some small electronics 
like PC's, etc.


Can someone who actually knows something about generators and this 
kind of stuff give me some advice here?  Will this generator support 
our load and not fall over?


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Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers

I deal with Ernie Gibson egibson at comsearch dot com He is all about
getting you info and in the right email chain. They have so many cost
effective services for our industry. Theyre also working up some CBRS
planning that seems like it will be beneficial, especially if you are
thinking you might want to bid on PALs. they have the biggest GIS (please
make them a meme about that)

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:30 PM Eric Nielsen  wrote:

> I can’t speak for the other SAS providers, but I can definitely affirm
> that CommScope is working directly with licensees.
> If you’d like to discuss further feel free to contact me or any of the
> reps here at Comsearch/CommScope.
> Eric dot Nielsen at CommScope dot com
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:56 PM Eric Muehleisen 
> wrote:
>
>> Federated will ask for an NDA then eventually tell you that they will
>> only work with equipment manufacturers or if you have a pile of mobile
>> subscribers. These SAS providers are really only interested in dealing
>> directly with manufacturers.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:02 PM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone actually gotten signed up?   Google has a very long drawn out
>>> procedure and a $5k deposit requirement.  No one from Commscope will
>>> contact me. working on Federated now.
>>>
>>> On 1/27/20 3:01 PM, Eric Nielsen wrote:
>>> > The FCC just certified the first round of SAS providers - CommScope,
>>> > Federated, Google and Sony.
>>> > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-110A1.pdf
>>> >
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers

2020-01-30 Thread Eric Nielsen

I can’t speak for the other SAS providers, but I can definitely affirm that
CommScope is working directly with licensees.
If you’d like to discuss further feel free to contact me or any of the reps
here at Comsearch/CommScope.
Eric dot Nielsen at CommScope dot com

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:56 PM Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> Federated will ask for an NDA then eventually tell you that they will only
> work with equipment manufacturers or if you have a pile of mobile
> subscribers. These SAS providers are really only interested in dealing
> directly with manufacturers.
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:02 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone actually gotten signed up?   Google has a very long drawn out
>> procedure and a $5k deposit requirement.  No one from Commscope will
>> contact me. working on Federated now.
>>
>> On 1/27/20 3:01 PM, Eric Nielsen wrote:
>> > The FCC just certified the first round of SAS providers - CommScope,
>> > Federated, Google and Sony.
>> > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-110A1.pdf
>> >
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

the online will probably be good, but nothing beats the direct Q with
ones that know. they are in on the upcoming Alpha Wireless webinar
https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_aOHF6vjDT8mEiCTd-U6jHA I dont know how
cambium centric it is going to be or who from cambium will be there. But
theyre about the only ones in the industry with the inside track to
definitively answer questions as definitively as you can about something in
flux

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:54 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> They posted an online course, I need to go check if it's the same thing.
> Trying to do about 10 CBRS related things in parallel here.
>
> I doubt the online course has sandwiches though.  BYOS.
>
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Steve Jones" 
> Sent: 1/30/2020 3:46:08 PM
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium
>
> tell cambium matt to do another CBRS session
>
> get pitchforks and torches and go to his office
>
> Im telling you guys, its good stuff
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:24 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> yes.  As long as the SM can hear (and is set to listen to the frequency,
>> bandwidth, and color code) it will work.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Will the SM scan for CBRS and NN mode with one driver loaded?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:48 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>>> One very nice feature of the Cambium solution is (with some caveats) you
>>> can just turn off CBRS mode in the AP and all the SM’s go back to normal NN
>>> licensed operation.
>>>
>>> The caveats:  You have to have the frequencies, channel widths, color
>>> codes, etc. enabled in the SM’s for them to be able to ’see’ the AP when it
>>> comes up in legacy NN modes.  Obviously the frequencies need to be in
>>> 3650-3700 and with appropriate power levels set.   I’m told you may need to
>>> toggle the AP in/out of CBRS and extra time in cnMaestro but that appears
>>> to be something we have only seen a few times so far when transitioning
>>> in/out of CBRS modes.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> I see there’s a beta 4 release today.  Haven’t read the release notes
>>> yet.
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:24 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium
>>>
>>> We also found a big with one Medusa AP that wouldn’t get sync even tho
>>> the sync status showed cambium sync and timing port sync.  Solution was to
>>> turn on ‘auto-sync + free-run’ and then also enable ‘free run before gps
>>> sync’  still working with cambium on a better fix but it’s working for now.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:54 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>>
>>> It has bugs, that’s for sure - but it’s workable.
>>>
>>>
>>> Turn off ‘spectrum scan on startup’ if you enable CBSD.  It goes into an
>>> endless loop in this beta. That’s probably the worst bug we have found.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> Mark Radabaugh
>>> Amplex
>>> 22690 Pemberville Rd
>>> 
>>> Luckey, OH 43443
>>> 
>>> 419-261-5996
>>>
>>> On Jan 30, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Mark, how worried are you about the 450 firmware still being beta?
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:35 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium
>>>
>>> We have it up and running happily.  Just converted this site today:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> You can pick the SAS you want to use with cnMaestro but the default
>>> option is Federated, but they will let you work with the other SAS vendors
>>> if you prefer.   You have to use cnMaestro (either on or off premise) to
>>> serve as the proxy to communicate with the SAS - that’s just part of how
>>> the system works.
>>>
>>> If Cambium support isn’t working with you on it contact your regional
>>> Cambium sales manager.   If that doesn’t work it’s not too hard to find
>>> your way up the Cambium organization until you get results.
>>> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/our-company/executive-team/ is the
>>> list.   Cambium follows the  first.last@cambiumnetworks.comformat for
>>> email addresses.   Start with the CSM and escalate as needed.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 30, 2020, at 11:25 AM, David Coudron <
>>> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Interested to know what folks are doing or planning to do who have
>>> Cambium PMP 450 3.65 equipment in the field.   It is our understanding that
>>> Cambium is the only SAS option we have due to the need to have cnMaestro be
>>> the Domain Proxy for the SAS.

Re: [AFMUG] Generator advice..

2020-01-30 Thread Chuck McCown

The only reason you might have trouble is the air conditioning starting load.  
I have seen them cause a generator to stall and die before.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:16 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
> 
> 
> We're shopping for a generator for one of our larger POP's.  The electrical 
> contractor is recommending this:
> 
> https://www.generac.com/all-products/generators/home-backup-generators/guardian-series/22kw-7043-whole-house-switch-wifi-enabled
> 
> This would be supporting 4 30A circuits (powering 4 APC UPS) that are 
> currently drawing about 30A between them (powering network gear and servers). 
>  There is also one of the on-wall indoor/outdoor air conditioners in this 
> room - unsure what it's drawing.
> 
> The contractor also seems to think that this generator, with a second 
> transfer switch can power the remainder of the small building which includes 
> some lighting, a refrigerator and some small electronics like PC's, etc.
> 
> Can someone who actually knows something about generators and this kind of 
> stuff give me some advice here?  Will this generator support our load and not 
> fall over?
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180

2020-01-30 Thread Brough Turner

The best independent analysis of Starlink I've seen are the papers and
simulations by Mark Handley at University College London:
http://nrg.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mjh/starlink/

My take is Musk can fund the whole thing on low latency alone.  This 14
minute video (which leverages Mark Handley's data and simulations) provides
some insight into the economics of low latency and shows how it can work
even before they figure out the inter-satellite laser links:
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giQ8xEWjnBs

Thanks,
Brough

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On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:18 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:

> I haven't seen anything either regarding inter satellite links. The lasers
> they were going to use weren't burning up when the sats came down, so it
> had a non probable chance of hitting and killing someone. The only info
> again we have is from twitter posts and they claim they're trying again
> late 2020 but who the hell knows at this point. So much mis-information out
> there that it's impossible to get actual answers to questions, it's all
> just people parroting the same stuff from social media. 1gb down, better
> latency than fiber, unlimited bandwidth, sold at $20 a month.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 12:41 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> If they had RF inter satellite links there would be a license for that
>> and I haven't seen one.  Could have missed it.  Anyone see anything?
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:16 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> I believe they are using lasers derived from shark eyes.  Those work
>>> better in space.
>>>
>>> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:49 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180
>>>
>>> Speed of light in glass varies but it’s about 80% of vacuum.   Density
>>> matters!   Or is it matter makes density?  If your dense does it matter?
>>> If you're not matter does that give you energy?
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I think he means bandwidth as opposed to "speed". Surely latency would
>>> be almost indistinguishable. However, there could be a lot of difference in
>>> the bandwidth. Regardless of the sat-to-sat speed, the downlink/uplink will
>>> still be the gating factor.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/30/2020 11:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> In a vacuum it should be the same.
>>>
>>> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:36 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180
>>>
>>> What's the difference in speed between the laser and RF links?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:40 AM Bill Prince 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Not what I read. The early sats (the ones other than the first 60) do
 not have the laser communications between them, but they do have an RF link
 between them. They are functional.



 bp
 


 On 1/29/2020 7:56 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:

 The sats that are up there now also are not equipped to communicate
 with each other. There is no inner satellite communication. Everything has
 to come down to ground stations right now.

 On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:08 PM Bill Prince 
 wrote:

>
> SpaceX got another 60 Starlink sats into orbit this morning. That
> brings
> the functional constellation to 180 sats. The first batch of 60 don't
> count since they are not equipped to communicate with each other.
> Various reports say either 300 or 400 sats are required to get a basic
> minimal functioning system. At the rate they're going, this may mean
> they will have achieved their goal in another couple of months (they
> want to do 2 launches per month).
>
>
> https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-3-satellites-launch-rocket-landing-success.html
>
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers

Federated will ask for an NDA then eventually tell you that they will only
work with equipment manufacturers or if you have a pile of mobile
subscribers. These SAS providers are really only interested in dealing
directly with manufacturers.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:02 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Has anyone actually gotten signed up?   Google has a very long drawn out
> procedure and a $5k deposit requirement.  No one from Commscope will
> contact me. working on Federated now.
>
> On 1/27/20 3:01 PM, Eric Nielsen wrote:
> > The FCC just certified the first round of SAS providers - CommScope,
> > Federated, Google and Sony.
> > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-110A1.pdf
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

They posted an online course, I need to go check if it's the same thing.  
Trying to do about 10 CBRS related things in parallel here.

I doubt the online course has sandwiches though.  BYOS.

 Original Message 
From: "Steve Jones" thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
Sent: 1/30/2020 3:46:08 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

tell cambium matt to do another CBRS session

get pitchforks and torches and go to his office

Im telling you guys, its good stuff

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:24 PM Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net wrote:

yes.  As long as the SM can hear (and is set to listen to the frequency, 
bandwidth, and color code) it will work.

Mark

On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Will the SM scan for CBRS and NN mode with one driver loaded?

 Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:48 PM Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net wrote:

One very nice feature of the Cambium solution is (with some caveats) you can 
just turn off CBRS mode in the AP and all the SMs go back to normal NN licensed 
operation.  

The caveats:  You have to have the frequencies, channel widths, color codes, 
etc. enabled in the SMs for them to be able to see the AP when it comes up in 
legacy NN modes.  Obviously the frequencies need to be in 3650-3700 and with 
appropriate power levels set.   Im told you may need to toggle the AP in/out of 
CBRS and extra time in cnMaestro but that appears to be something we have only 
seen a few times so far when transitioning in/out of CBRS modes.

Mark

On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

I see theres a beta 4 release today.  Havent read the release notes yet.

From: AF af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

We also found a big with one Medusa AP that wouldnt get sync even tho the sync 
status showed cambium sync and timing port sync.  Solution was to turn on 
auto-sync + free-run and then also enable free run before gps sync  still 
working with cambium on a better fix but its working for now.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:54 AM Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net wrote:

It has bugs, thats for sure - but its workable.

Turn off spectrum scan on startup if you enable CBSD.  It goes into an endless 
loop in this beta. Thats probably the worst bug we have found.

Mark

Mark Radabaugh

Amplex

22690 Pemberville Rd

Luckey, OH 43443

419-261-5996

On Jan 30, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

?

Mark, how worried are you about the 450 firmware still being beta?

From: AF af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

We have it up and running happily.  Just converted this site today:

image001.png

You can pick the SAS you want to use with cnMaestro but the default option is 
Federated, but they will let you work with the other SAS vendors if you prefer. 
  You have to use cnMaestro (either on or off premise) to serve as the proxy to 
communicate with the SAS - thats just part of how the system works.

If Cambium support isnt working with you on it contact your regional Cambium 
sales manager.   If that doesnt work its not too hard to find your way up the 
Cambium organization until you get results.  
https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/our-company/executive-team/ is the list.   
Cambium follows the  first.last@cambiumnetworks.comformat for email addresses.  
 Start with the CSM and escalate as needed.

Mark

On Jan 30, 2020, at 11:25 AM, David Coudron david.coud...@advantenon.com wrote:

Interested to know what folks are doing or planning to do who have Cambium PMP 
450 3.65 equipment in the field.   It is our understanding that Cambium is the 
only SAS option we have due to the need to have cnMaestro be the Domain Proxy 
for the SAS.   Has anyone got this up and working?   We have been requesting 
access to the CBRS options in cnMaestro for two weeks but are not making much 
progress.   With full commercial availability, we are a little surprised that 
this isnt available.   Are there other options for connecting to a SAS other 
than using Cambium as the SAS Domain Proxy?   Seems they might not be ready for 
this, or are not heavily committed to it.

Regards,

David Coudron

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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

tell cambium matt to do another CBRS session

get pitchforks and torches and go to his office

Im telling you guys, its good stuff

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:24 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> yes.  As long as the SM can hear (and is set to listen to the frequency,
> bandwidth, and color code) it will work.
>
> Mark
>
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Will the SM scan for CBRS and NN mode with one driver loaded?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:48 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> One very nice feature of the Cambium solution is (with some caveats) you
>> can just turn off CBRS mode in the AP and all the SM’s go back to normal NN
>> licensed operation.
>>
>> The caveats:  You have to have the frequencies, channel widths, color
>> codes, etc. enabled in the SM’s for them to be able to ’see’ the AP when it
>> comes up in legacy NN modes.  Obviously the frequencies need to be in
>> 3650-3700 and with appropriate power levels set.   I’m told you may need to
>> toggle the AP in/out of CBRS and extra time in cnMaestro but that appears
>> to be something we have only seen a few times so far when transitioning
>> in/out of CBRS modes.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> I see there’s a beta 4 release today.  Haven’t read the release notes yet.
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:24 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium
>>
>> We also found a big with one Medusa AP that wouldn’t get sync even tho
>> the sync status showed cambium sync and timing port sync.  Solution was to
>> turn on ‘auto-sync + free-run’ and then also enable ‘free run before gps
>> sync’  still working with cambium on a better fix but it’s working for now.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:54 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>> It has bugs, that’s for sure - but it’s workable.
>>
>>
>> Turn off ‘spectrum scan on startup’ if you enable CBSD.  It goes into an
>> endless loop in this beta. That’s probably the worst bug we have found.
>>
>> Mark
>> Mark Radabaugh
>> Amplex
>> 22690 Pemberville Rd
>> 
>> Luckey, OH 43443
>> 
>> 419-261-5996
>>
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Mark, how worried are you about the 450 firmware still being beta?
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:35 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium
>>
>> We have it up and running happily.  Just converted this site today:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> You can pick the SAS you want to use with cnMaestro but the default
>> option is Federated, but they will let you work with the other SAS vendors
>> if you prefer.   You have to use cnMaestro (either on or off premise) to
>> serve as the proxy to communicate with the SAS - that’s just part of how
>> the system works.
>>
>> If Cambium support isn’t working with you on it contact your regional
>> Cambium sales manager.   If that doesn’t work it’s not too hard to find
>> your way up the Cambium organization until you get results.
>> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/our-company/executive-team/ is the list.
>>   Cambium follows the  first.last@cambiumnetworks.comformat for email
>> addresses.   Start with the CSM and escalate as needed.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2020, at 11:25 AM, David Coudron 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Interested to know what folks are doing or planning to do who have
>> Cambium PMP 450 3.65 equipment in the field.   It is our understanding that
>> Cambium is the only SAS option we have due to the need to have cnMaestro be
>> the Domain Proxy for the SAS.   Has anyone got this up and working?   We
>> have been requesting access to the CBRS options in cnMaestro for two weeks
>> but are not making much progress.   With full commercial availability, we
>> are a little surprised that this isn’t available.   Are there other options
>> for connecting to a SAS other than using Cambium as the SAS Domain Proxy?
>> Seems they might not be ready for this, or are not heavily committed to it.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> David Coudron
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Re: [AFMUG] OT sometimes I get lucky


  
  
We have VFIAX, which is the Vanguard equivalent to that. The
  snapshot of both FXAIX and VFIAX are indistinguishable from each
  other (other than the $ values).


bp



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  wrote:


  
  

  My FXAIX index fund YTD is 31.4%
   
  S 500 is 22%
   
  Of course a correction is coming, it always does, but it
has been a great year.  
   
  I was too chicken to buy Tesla.  185 back in May.  643
today.  

  
  
  

  

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Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

A clever enough cheater will always find a way to cheat, but you can't 
make it too easy.


For NY BPO "Connect NY" there was physical verification that each piece 
of equipment you bought actually existed somewhere.whether in the 
field or in storage.  The auditor seemed satisfied with a list of serial 
numbers plus photographs of all the installations.  We made it very well 
organized for them: "Rectifier A, Backhaul B, and Base Station C are 
located at Site X.  Here are our installation photos from Site X."


You probably wanted good records of what's installed anyway, and if 
someone takes the time to fake all of that, then maybe they deserve 
their Ferrari.


Can you think of a project where there was blatant fraud like that?  I 
can certainly think of times when they made poor product choices, or 
ended up with unused equipment due to a design change in the middle of 
the project, or they bought 20 of the wrong thing and had to go back and 
buy 20 of the correct thing..or something was otherwise screwed up 
or mismanaged.  I actually can't think of any project where people 
bought personal toys (like a Ferrari) with public funds, or any other 
type of fraud along those lines.  If you saw something like that, I hope 
you reported it.  I used it as an example of what people would do if 
there was no auditing.  There is auditing and consequently I don't think 
people are doing that.



On 1/30/2020 4:12 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Except that there IS auditing now... and we DO end up with this exact 
scenario happening currently.  It's not stopping it.


On 1/30/20 4:08 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I'd rather not stress over audits, but auditing is a necessary evil 
IMO.  If there were no auditing then there's someone, somewhere who 
would buy a Ferrari and supply a fake invoice for rectifiers instead. 
I'm sure everyone on this list can think of someone they've dealt 
with who ought to have their homework double checked.


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Re: [AFMUG] Generator advice.

2020-01-30 Thread Ryan McAfee

I have this 22kw on LP (no wifi), 3 years old, running the whole house. So
far I love it.
It's also running my tower a few hundred feet from the house. No issues
with the servers I run on it.
My mini-split is fine with it as is my big whole-house heat-pump (never
tried it with the heat strips on, though).

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> We're shopping for a generator for one of our larger POP's.  The electrical
> contractor is recommending this:
>
>
> https://www.generac.com/all-products/generators/home-backup-generators/guardian-series/22kw-7043-whole-house-switch-wifi-enabled
>
> This would be supporting 4 30A circuits (powering 4 APC UPS) that are
> currently drawing about 30A between them (powering network gear and
> servers).  There is also one of the on-wall indoor/outdoor air conditioners
> in this room - unsure what it's drawing.
>
> The contractor also seems to think that this generator, with a second
> transfer switch can power the remainder of the small building which
> includes some lighting, a refrigerator and some small electronics like
> PC's, etc.
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> Can someone who actually knows something about generators and this kind of
> stuff give me some advice here?  Will this generator support our load and
> not fall over?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT sometimes I get lucky

FXAIX is an index fund. It's supposed to track the S 500, but it 
appears to have a disconnect of sorts.


bp


On 1/30/2020 12:48 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 1/30/20 12:30 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My FXAIX index fund YTD is 31.4%
S 500 is 22%
Of course a correction is coming, it always does, but it has been a 
great year.

I was too chicken to buy Tesla.  185 back in May.  643 today.



I bought a couple shares in June. Kinda thinking about selling it and 
putting it into something with dividends or an index fund.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180

2020-01-30 Thread Ryan Ray

I haven't seen anything either regarding inter satellite links. The lasers
they were going to use weren't burning up when the sats came down, so it
had a non probable chance of hitting and killing someone. The only info
again we have is from twitter posts and they claim they're trying again
late 2020 but who the hell knows at this point. So much mis-information out
there that it's impossible to get actual answers to questions, it's all
just people parroting the same stuff from social media. 1gb down, better
latency than fiber, unlimited bandwidth, sold at $20 a month.



On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 12:41 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> If they had RF inter satellite links there would be a license for that and
> I haven't seen one.  Could have missed it.  Anyone see anything?
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:16 PM  wrote:
>
>> I believe they are using lasers derived from shark eyes.  Those work
>> better in space.
>>
>> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:49 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180
>>
>> Speed of light in glass varies but it’s about 80% of vacuum.   Density
>> matters!   Or is it matter makes density?  If your dense does it matter?
>> If you're not matter does that give you energy?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think he means bandwidth as opposed to "speed". Surely latency would be
>> almost indistinguishable. However, there could be a lot of difference in
>> the bandwidth. Regardless of the sat-to-sat speed, the downlink/uplink will
>> still be the gating factor.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 1/30/2020 11:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> In a vacuum it should be the same.
>>
>> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:36 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180
>>
>> What's the difference in speed between the laser and RF links?
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:40 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> Not what I read. The early sats (the ones other than the first 60) do
>>> not have the laser communications between them, but they do have an RF link
>>> between them. They are functional.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/29/2020 7:56 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>>
>>> The sats that are up there now also are not equipped to communicate with
>>> each other. There is no inner satellite communication. Everything has to
>>> come down to ground stations right now.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:08 PM Bill Prince 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 SpaceX got another 60 Starlink sats into orbit this morning. That
 brings
 the functional constellation to 180 sats. The first batch of 60 don't
 count since they are not equipped to communicate with each other.
 Various reports say either 300 or 400 sats are required to get a basic
 minimal functioning system. At the rate they're going, this may mean
 they will have achieved their goal in another couple of months (they
 want to do 2 launches per month).


 https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-3-satellites-launch-rocket-landing-success.html

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[AFMUG] Generator advice..

2020-01-30 Thread Josh Baird

We're shopping for a generator for one of our larger POP's.  The electrical
contractor is recommending this:

https://www.generac.com/all-products/generators/home-backup-generators/guardian-series/22kw-7043-whole-house-switch-wifi-enabled

This would be supporting 4 30A circuits (powering 4 APC UPS) that are
currently drawing about 30A between them (powering network gear and
servers).  There is also one of the on-wall indoor/outdoor air conditioners
in this room - unsure what it's drawing.

The contractor also seems to think that this generator, with a second
transfer switch can power the remainder of the small building which
includes some lighting, a refrigerator and some small electronics like
PC's, etc.

Can someone who actually knows something about generators and this kind of
stuff give me some advice here?  Will this generator support our load and
not fall over?

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Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

Except that there IS auditing now... and we DO end up with this exact 
scenario happening currently.  It's not stopping it.


On 1/30/20 4:08 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I'd rather not stress over audits, but auditing is a necessary evil 
IMO.  If there were no auditing then there's someone, somewhere who 
would buy a Ferrari and supply a fake invoice for rectifiers instead. 
I'm sure everyone on this list can think of someone they've dealt with 
who ought to have their homework double checked.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180


  
  
The only thing I saw was that the initial 60 had no inter-sat
  link whatever, and that the ones following that had something
  different, but not the optical. I could easily be fantasizing it,
  but something between nothing and optical is some kind of RF.
  Perhaps they are using an unlicensed band? That might be safe
  enough in LEO.


bp



On 1/30/2020 12:40 PM, Carl Peterson
  wrote:


  
  
If they had RF inter satellite links there would
  be a license for that and I haven't seen one.  Could have
  missed it.  Anyone see anything?


  On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:16
PM  wrote:
  
  

  

  I believe they are using lasers derived from
shark eyes.  Those work better in space.  
  

   
  
From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020
  12:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there
  are ~~ 180
  

 
  
  Speed
of light in glass varies but it’s about 80% of
vacuum.   Density matters!   Or is it matter makes
density?  If your dense does it matter?   If you're
not matter does that give you energy?
 
Mark
  

  On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Bill Prince

wrote:
   
  

  I think he means bandwidth as opposed
to "speed". Surely latency would be
almost indistinguishable. However, there
could be a lot of difference in the
bandwidth. Regardless of the sat-to-sat
speed, the downlink/uplink will still be
the gating factor.
  
  bp



  On 1/30/2020 11:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
wrote:
  
  

  
In a vacuum it should be the
  same.  

  
 

  From: can...@believewireless.net
  
  Sent: Thursday,
January 30, 2020 12:36 PM
  To: AnimalFarm
  Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re:
[AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~
180

  
   


  
What's
  the difference in speed
  between the laser and RF
  links?
  
   
  
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020
  at 10:40 AM Bill Prince 
  wrote:


  
Not what I read. The
  early sats (the ones other
  than the first 60) do not
  have the laser
  communications between
  them, but they do have an

Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

One thing I'd want the program managers to incorporate is an idea that 
there are rules and there are rules.  You should be able to request a 
waiver on anything.  There maybe be things they won't budge on, but 
other areas where they should be flexible if it makes sense.  For 
example, if you have that "must be in operation for 5 years rule", then 
consider what happens if two companies pool resources for a project.  
Chances are they'll form an LLC to make the application, but that LLC 
will have existed since only yesterday.  They might not have the 
resources to apply separately, but they would become ineligible if they 
apply together. .I use that example because it's a real one from a 
project in NY.


I'm not sure of the value (to the public) of a bidder size limit.  If 
Verizon or Comcast are well positioned to hit a certain area, then why 
not let them?  Just a devil's advocate position I guess.


I'd rather not stress over audits, but auditing is a necessary evil 
IMO.  If there were no auditing then there's someone, somewhere who 
would buy a Ferrari and supply a fake invoice for rectifiers instead.  
I'm sure everyone on this list can think of someone they've dealt with 
who ought to have their homework double checked.


If I'm wishing for ponies I'd want all the cash up front when my plan is 
approved.  That would be great for the grantee, but if I'm being honest 
it's a very risky thing for the State.  That guy from above might buy 
his Ferrari and then drive off to Mexico with the rest of the money in a 
suitcase full of small, non-consecutive bills.


One reason the programs end up with the rules they do is to protect the 
people's tax money from being stolen or abused, and I definitely 
understand that.  What I hope regulators will remember is if the rules 
get too onerous that nobody will want the money. They need to find a 
healthy balance.


-Adam


On 1/30/2020 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
I know a local company that got 35 million and declared bankrupcy 
after putting in the last tower... days after.


So I guess that auditing is working well?

On 1/30/20 12:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I would disagree on the financials.  A copy of good financials, even 
5 years worth, gives you a very clear picture as to the health of 
your company.


If they are handing out public money (not really sure as to the 
source of funds, if USF generated it is not truly public money), they 
have a fiduciary duty to the public to award the money to healthy 
companies that truly have the ability to use it properly.


That said, I know one WISP early on in the community grants that 
bought a truckload of towers and very large flooded cell C.O. batts 
and they sat and rotted away in the desert.  He never did use the batts.


-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Dev
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

Here's my dream "funding process".

I've seen too much money used for things that didn't end up being the
projected end-goal.

Company must have been in existence for 5 years.  Company must show
competency and growth organically.   Company must show business plan
that will work (no fluff.. an actual business plan which will be 
audited).


Who cares about your financials?  This isn't about financials, this is
about funding and running broadband.

A visit to your facility by a funding representative is required.  Meet
with you, talk with you, see what you are doing.  Talk with some of your
existing customers to determine if you actually provide quality 
services.


No companies with more than 10,000 subscribers are allowed to bid on
some funding, and no more than 150,000 subscribers on other funding.

Money is presented to the provider who provides the most sound,
reasonable business plan, which will turn a profit on its own in 3-5 
years.


A feasibility interest study must be performed by the provider taking
survey requests from end users to determine if there is actually a need
AND desire for internet at the area.





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Re: [AFMUG] RackInjector firmware upgrade

2020-01-30 Thread Sean Heskett

Yeah I know for sure you can hit the reboot button in the GUI and it won’t
drop power.  Had to do that when the GLASSNOS rollover happened 1/1/20.  It
just reboot’s the control interface.

Forest had done a really nice job with the product.  It’s awesome having
clean cabinets!!

-Sean

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 12:32 PM Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> I bit the bullet this morning and upgraded one with 4 AP's and 95 subs on
> it. It rebooted quickly without tripping anything. That's a nice feature.
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 1:22 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 1/30/20 8:09 AM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
>> > I've created two different tickets via their support page but never
>> > received a confirmation or any indication of a successful submission. I
>> > assumed it was broken. However, I believe you are correct about it not
>> > creating an outage. I just wanted someone who's done it to confirm.
>>
>>
>> I've done it once and it didn't power cycle anything.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT sometimes I get lucky

2020-01-30 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 1/30/20 12:30 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My FXAIX index fund YTD is 31.4%
S 500 is 22%
Of course a correction is coming, it always does, but it has been a 
great year.

I was too chicken to buy Tesla.  185 back in May.  643 today.



I bought a couple shares in June. Kinda thinking about selling it and 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180

2020-01-30 Thread Carl Peterson

If they had RF inter satellite links there would be a license for that and
I haven't seen one.  Could have missed it.  Anyone see anything?

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:16 PM  wrote:

> I believe they are using lasers derived from shark eyes.  Those work
> better in space.
>
> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:49 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180
>
> Speed of light in glass varies but it’s about 80% of vacuum.   Density
> matters!   Or is it matter makes density?  If your dense does it matter?
> If you're not matter does that give you energy?
>
> Mark
>
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>
> I think he means bandwidth as opposed to "speed". Surely latency would be
> almost indistinguishable. However, there could be a lot of difference in
> the bandwidth. Regardless of the sat-to-sat speed, the downlink/uplink will
> still be the gating factor.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/30/2020 11:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> In a vacuum it should be the same.
>
> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:36 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180
>
> What's the difference in speed between the laser and RF links?
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:40 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Not what I read. The early sats (the ones other than the first 60) do not
>> have the laser communications between them, but they do have an RF link
>> between them. They are functional.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 1/29/2020 7:56 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>
>> The sats that are up there now also are not equipped to communicate with
>> each other. There is no inner satellite communication. Everything has to
>> come down to ground stations right now.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:08 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> SpaceX got another 60 Starlink sats into orbit this morning. That brings
>>> the functional constellation to 180 sats. The first batch of 60 don't
>>> count since they are not equipped to communicate with each other.
>>> Various reports say either 300 or 400 sats are required to get a basic
>>> minimal functioning system. At the rate they're going, this may mean
>>> they will have achieved their goal in another couple of months (they
>>> want to do 2 launches per month).
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-3-satellites-launch-rocket-landing-success.html
>>>
>>> --
>>>
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>>> 
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[AFMUG] OT sometimes I get lucky

My FXAIX index fund YTD is 31.4%

S 500 is 22%

Of course a correction is coming, it always does, but it has been a great year. 
 

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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

yes.  As long as the SM can hear (and is set to listen to the frequency, 
bandwidth, and color code) it will work.

Mark

> On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Will the SM scan for CBRS and NN mode with one driver loaded?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:48 PM Mark Radabaugh  > wrote:
> One very nice feature of the Cambium solution is (with some caveats) you can 
> just turn off CBRS mode in the AP and all the SM’s go back to normal NN 
> licensed operation.  
> 
> The caveats:  You have to have the frequencies, channel widths, color codes, 
> etc. enabled in the SM’s for them to be able to ’see’ the AP when it comes up 
> in legacy NN modes.  Obviously the frequencies need to be in 3650-3700 and 
> with appropriate power levels set.   I’m told you may need to toggle the AP 
> in/out of CBRS and extra time in cnMaestro but that appears to be something 
> we have only seen a few times so far when transitioning in/out of CBRS modes.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Ken Hohhof > > wrote:
>> 
>> I see there’s a beta 4 release today.  Haven’t read the release notes yet.
>>  
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On 
>> Behalf Of Sean Heskett
>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:24 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium
>>  
>> We also found a big with one Medusa AP that wouldn’t get sync even tho the 
>> sync status showed cambium sync and timing port sync.  Solution was to turn 
>> on ‘auto-sync + free-run’ and then also enable ‘free run before gps sync’  
>> still working with cambium on a better fix but it’s working for now.
>>  
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:54 AM Mark Radabaugh > > wrote:
>>> It has bugs, that’s for sure - but it’s workable.
>>>  
>>> Turn off ‘spectrum scan on startup’ if you enable CBSD.  It goes into an 
>>> endless loop in this beta. That’s probably the worst bug we have found.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> Mark Radabaugh
>>> Amplex
>>> 22690 Pemberville Rd 
>>> 
>>> Luckey, OH 43443 
>>> 
>>> 419-261-5996
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 30, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Ken Hohhof >>> > wrote:
 
 
 Mark, how worried are you about the 450 firmware still being beta?
  
 From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On 
 Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
 Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:35 AM
 To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> >
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium
  
 We have it up and running happily.  Just converted this site today:
  
 
>>> 
  
 You can pick the SAS you want to use with cnMaestro but the default option 
 is Federated, but they will let you work with the other SAS vendors if you 
 prefer.   You have to use cnMaestro (either on or off premise) to serve as 
 the proxy to communicate with the SAS - that’s just part of how the system 
 works.
  
 If Cambium support isn’t working with you on it contact your regional 
 Cambium sales manager.   If that doesn’t work it’s not too hard to find 
 your way up the Cambium organization until you get results.  
 https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/our-company/executive-team/ 
  is the list. 
   Cambium follows the  first.l...@cambiumnetworks.com 
 format for email addresses.   Start 
 with the CSM and escalate as needed.
  
 Mark
  
  
  
 
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 11:25 AM, David Coudron  > wrote:
>  
> Interested to know what folks are doing or planning to do who have 
> Cambium PMP 450 3.65 equipment in the field.   It is our understanding 
> that Cambium is the only SAS option we have due to the need to have 
> cnMaestro be the Domain Proxy for the SAS.   Has anyone got this up and 
> working?   We have been requesting access to the CBRS options in 
> cnMaestro for two weeks but are not making much progress.   With full 
> commercial availability, we are a little surprised that this isn’t 
> available.   Are there other options for connecting to a SAS other than 
> using Cambium as the SAS Domain Proxy?   Seems they might not be ready 
> for this, or are not heavily committed to it.
>  
> Regards,
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180

I believe they are using lasers derived from shark eyes.  Those work better in 
space.  

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180

Speed of light in glass varies but it’s about 80% of vacuum.   Density matters! 
  Or is it matter makes density?  If your dense does it matter?   If you're not 
matter does that give you energy? 

Mark

  On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

  I think he means bandwidth as opposed to "speed". Surely latency would be 
almost indistinguishable. However, there could be a lot of difference in the 
bandwidth. Regardless of the sat-to-sat speed, the downlink/uplink will still 
be the gating factor.

bp

On 1/30/2020 11:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

In a vacuum it should be the same.  

From: can...@believewireless.net 
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180

What's the difference in speed between the laser and RF links?

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:40 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

  Not what I read. The early sats (the ones other than the first 60) do not 
have the laser communications between them, but they do have an RF link between 
them. They are functional.

bp

On 1/29/2020 7:56 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:

The sats that are up there now also are not equipped to communicate 
with each other. There is no inner satellite communication. Everything has to 
come down to ground stations right now.

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:08 PM Bill Prince  
wrote:

  SpaceX got another 60 Starlink sats into orbit this morning. That 
brings 
  the functional constellation to 180 sats. The first batch of 60 don't 
  count since they are not equipped to communicate with each other. 
  Various reports say either 300 or 400 sats are required to get a 
basic 
  minimal functioning system. At the rate they're going, this may mean 
  they will have achieved their goal in another couple of months (they 
  want to do 2 launches per month).

https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-3-satellites-launch-rocket-landing-success.html

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Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

I know a local company that got 35 million and declared bankrupcy after 
putting in the last tower... days after.


So I guess that auditing is working well?

On 1/30/20 12:48 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I would disagree on the financials.  A copy of good financials, even 5 
years worth, gives you a very clear picture as to the health of your 
company.


If they are handing out public money (not really sure as to the source 
of funds, if USF generated it is not truly public money), they have a 
fiduciary duty to the public to award the money to healthy companies 
that truly have the ability to use it properly.


That said, I know one WISP early on in the community grants that bought 
a truckload of towers and very large flooded cell C.O. batts and they 
sat and rotted away in the desert.  He never did use the batts.


-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Dev
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

Here's my dream "funding process".

I've seen too much money used for things that didn't end up being the
projected end-goal.

Company must have been in existence for 5 years.  Company must show
competency and growth organically.   Company must show business plan
that will work (no fluff.. an actual business plan which will be audited).

Who cares about your financials?  This isn't about financials, this is
about funding and running broadband.

A visit to your facility by a funding representative is required.  Meet
with you, talk with you, see what you are doing.  Talk with some of your
existing customers to determine if you actually provide quality services.

No companies with more than 10,000 subscribers are allowed to bid on
some funding, and no more than 150,000 subscribers on other funding.

Money is presented to the provider who provides the most sound,
reasonable business plan, which will turn a profit on its own in 3-5 years.

A feasibility interest study must be performed by the provider taking
survey requests from end users to determine if there is actually a need
AND desire for internet at the area.



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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

I just tried the 16.2 beta FW on my first guinea pig AP and SM.  Not CBRS, just 
the firmware upgrade.  (Still haven’t chosen a SAS.)

>From Cambium’s warnings about not working with any other versions of FW, I 
>expected it would be necessary to do the SMs first and that I would lose 
>connectivity to them until I upgraded the AP.  Even though Cambium didn’t 
>explicitly say do the SMs first.

Actually though I didn’t lose the SM.  And it was on 15.2!

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 1:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

One very nice feature of the Cambium solution is (with some caveats) you can 
just turn off CBRS mode in the AP and all the SM’s go back to normal NN 
licensed operation.  

The caveats:  You have to have the frequencies, channel widths, color codes, 
etc. enabled in the SM’s for them to be able to ’see’ the AP when it comes up 
in legacy NN modes.  Obviously the frequencies need to be in 3650-3700 and with 
appropriate power levels set.   I’m told you may need to toggle the AP in/out 
of CBRS and extra time in cnMaestro but that appears to be something we have 
only seen a few times so far when transitioning in/out of CBRS modes.

Mark

On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I see there’s a beta 4 release today.  Haven’t read the release notes yet.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

We also found a big with one Medusa AP that wouldn’t get sync even tho the sync 
status showed cambium sync and timing port sync.  Solution was to turn on 
‘auto-sync + free-run’ and then also enable ‘free run before gps sync’  still 
working with cambium on a better fix but it’s working for now.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:54 AM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

It has bugs, that’s for sure - but it’s workable.

Turn off ‘spectrum scan on startup’ if you enable CBSD.  It goes into an 
endless loop in this beta. That’s probably the worst bug we have found.

Mark

Mark Radabaugh

Amplex

22690 Pemberville Rd 

Luckey, OH 43443 

419-261-5996

On Jan 30, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Mark, how worried are you about the 450 firmware still being beta?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

We have it up and running happily.  Just converted this site today:

You can pick the SAS you want to use with cnMaestro but the default option is 
Federated, but they will let you work with the other SAS vendors if you prefer. 
  You have to use cnMaestro (either on or off premise) to serve as the proxy to 
communicate with the SAS - that’s just part of how the system works.

If Cambium support isn’t working with you on it contact your regional Cambium 
sales manager.   If that doesn’t work it’s not too hard to find your way up the 
Cambium organization until you get results.  
https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/our-company/executive-team/ is the list.   
Cambium follows the  first.l...@cambiumnetworks.com 
 format for email addresses.   Start 
with the CSM and escalate as needed.

Mark

On Jan 30, 2020, at 11:25 AM, David Coudron mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com> > wrote:

Interested to know what folks are doing or planning to do who have Cambium PMP 
450 3.65 equipment in the field.   It is our understanding that Cambium is the 
only SAS option we have due to the need to have cnMaestro be the Domain Proxy 
for the SAS.   Has anyone got this up and working?   We have been requesting 
access to the CBRS options in cnMaestro for two weeks but are not making much 
progress.   With full commercial availability, we are a little surprised that 
this isn’t available.   Are there other options for connecting to a SAS other 
than using Cambium as the SAS Domain Proxy?   Seems they might not be ready for 
this, or are not heavily committed to it.

Regards,

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180

Speed of light in glass varies but it’s about 80% of vacuum.   Density matters! 
  Or is it matter makes density?  If your dense does it matter?   If you're not 
matter does that give you energy?

Mark

> On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> I think he means bandwidth as opposed to "speed". Surely latency would be 
> almost indistinguishable. However, there could be a lot of difference in the 
> bandwidth. Regardless of the sat-to-sat speed, the downlink/uplink will still 
> be the gating factor.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 1/30/2020 11:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
>> In a vacuum it should be the same. 
>>  
>> From: can...@believewireless.net <>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:36 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180
>>  
>> What's the difference in speed between the laser and RF links?
>>  
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:40 AM Bill Prince > wrote:
>> Not what I read. The early sats (the ones other than the first 60) do not 
>> have the laser communications between them, but they do have an RF link 
>> between them. They are functional.
>> 
>>  
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/29/2020 7:56 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>> The sats that are up there now also are not equipped to communicate with 
>>> each other. There is no inner satellite communication. Everything has to 
>>> come down to ground stations right now.
>>>  
>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:08 PM Bill Prince > wrote:
>>> 
>>> SpaceX got another 60 Starlink sats into orbit this morning. That brings 
>>> the functional constellation to 180 sats. The first batch of 60 don't 
>>> count since they are not equipped to communicate with each other. 
>>> Various reports say either 300 or 400 sats are required to get a basic 
>>> minimal functioning system. At the rate they're going, this may mean 
>>> they will have achieved their goal in another couple of months (they 
>>> want to do 2 launches per month).
>>> 
>>> https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-3-satellites-launch-rocket-landing-success.html
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

2020-01-30 Thread Josh Luthman

Will the SM scan for CBRS and NN mode with one driver loaded?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 2:48 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> One very nice feature of the Cambium solution is (with some caveats) you
> can just turn off CBRS mode in the AP and all the SM’s go back to normal NN
> licensed operation.
>
> The caveats:  You have to have the frequencies, channel widths, color
> codes, etc. enabled in the SM’s for them to be able to ’see’ the AP when it
> comes up in legacy NN modes.  Obviously the frequencies need to be in
> 3650-3700 and with appropriate power levels set.   I’m told you may need to
> toggle the AP in/out of CBRS and extra time in cnMaestro but that appears
> to be something we have only seen a few times so far when transitioning
> in/out of CBRS modes.
>
> Mark
>
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I see there’s a beta 4 release today.  Haven’t read the release notes yet.
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:24 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium
>
> We also found a big with one Medusa AP that wouldn’t get sync even tho the
> sync status showed cambium sync and timing port sync.  Solution was to turn
> on ‘auto-sync + free-run’ and then also enable ‘free run before gps sync’
>  still working with cambium on a better fix but it’s working for now.
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:54 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> It has bugs, that’s for sure - but it’s workable.
>
>
> Turn off ‘spectrum scan on startup’ if you enable CBSD.  It goes into an
> endless loop in this beta. That’s probably the worst bug we have found.
>
> Mark
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
> 22690 Pemberville Rd
> 
> Luckey, OH 43443
> 
> 419-261-5996
>
>
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
> Mark, how worried are you about the 450 firmware still being beta?
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:35 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium
>
> We have it up and running happily.  Just converted this site today:
>
> 
>
>
> You can pick the SAS you want to use with cnMaestro but the default option
> is Federated, but they will let you work with the other SAS vendors if you
> prefer.   You have to use cnMaestro (either on or off premise) to serve as
> the proxy to communicate with the SAS - that’s just part of how the system
> works.
>
> If Cambium support isn’t working with you on it contact your regional
> Cambium sales manager.   If that doesn’t work it’s not too hard to find
> your way up the Cambium organization until you get results.
> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/our-company/executive-team/ is the list.
>   Cambium follows the  first.last@cambiumnetworks.comformat for email
> addresses.   Start with the CSM and escalate as needed.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 11:25 AM, David Coudron 
> wrote:
>
> Interested to know what folks are doing or planning to do who have Cambium
> PMP 450 3.65 equipment in the field.   It is our understanding that Cambium
> is the only SAS option we have due to the need to have cnMaestro be the
> Domain Proxy for the SAS.   Has anyone got this up and working?   We have
> been requesting access to the CBRS options in cnMaestro for two weeks but
> are not making much progress.   With full commercial availability, we are a
> little surprised that this isn’t available.   Are there other options for
> connecting to a SAS other than using Cambium as the SAS Domain Proxy?
> Seems they might not be ready for this, or are not heavily committed to it.
>
> Regards,
>
> David Coudron
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180

Hundreds or thousands  of LEO satellites with laserbeams between them, sounds 
very Buck Rogers.

 

I assume they have it all worked out, but it’s hard to believe that is 
possible, reliable, and safe.  Maybe they can deploy the Arc Net Shield while 
they’re at it.

 

 

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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180

 

What's the difference in speed between the laser and RF links?

 

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:40 AM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Not what I read. The early sats (the ones other than the first 60) do not have 
the laser communications between them, but they do have an RF link between 
them. They are functional.

 

bp

 

On 1/29/2020 7:56 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:

The sats that are up there now also are not equipped to communicate with each 
other. There is no inner satellite communication. Everything has to come down 
to ground stations right now.

 

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:08 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:


SpaceX got another 60 Starlink sats into orbit this morning. That brings 
the functional constellation to 180 sats. The first batch of 60 don't 
count since they are not equipped to communicate with each other. 
Various reports say either 300 or 400 sats are required to get a basic 
minimal functioning system. At the rate they're going, this may mean 
they will have achieved their goal in another couple of months (they 
want to do 2 launches per month).

https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-3-satellites-launch-rocket-landing-success.html

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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

One very nice feature of the Cambium solution is (with some caveats) you can 
just turn off CBRS mode in the AP and all the SM’s go back to normal NN 
licensed operation.  

The caveats:  You have to have the frequencies, channel widths, color codes, 
etc. enabled in the SM’s for them to be able to ’see’ the AP when it comes up 
in legacy NN modes.  Obviously the frequencies need to be in 3650-3700 and with 
appropriate power levels set.   I’m told you may need to toggle the AP in/out 
of CBRS and extra time in cnMaestro but that appears to be something we have 
only seen a few times so far when transitioning in/out of CBRS modes.

Mark

> On Jan 30, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> I see there’s a beta 4 release today.  Haven’t read the release notes yet.
>  
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Sean Heskett
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:24 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium
>  
> We also found a big with one Medusa AP that wouldn’t get sync even tho the 
> sync status showed cambium sync and timing port sync.  Solution was to turn 
> on ‘auto-sync + free-run’ and then also enable ‘free run before gps sync’  
> still working with cambium on a better fix but it’s working for now.
>  
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:54 AM Mark Radabaugh  > wrote:
>> It has bugs, that’s for sure - but it’s workable.
>>  
>> Turn off ‘spectrum scan on startup’ if you enable CBSD.  It goes into an 
>> endless loop in this beta. That’s probably the worst bug we have found.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> Mark Radabaugh
>> Amplex
>> 22690 Pemberville Rd 
>> 
>> Luckey, OH 43443 
>> 
>> 419-261-5996
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 30, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Ken Hohhof >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mark, how worried are you about the 450 firmware still being beta?
>>>  
>>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On 
>>> Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:35 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium
>>>  
>>> We have it up and running happily.  Just converted this site today:
>>>  
>>> 
>> 
>>>  
>>> You can pick the SAS you want to use with cnMaestro but the default option 
>>> is Federated, but they will let you work with the other SAS vendors if you 
>>> prefer.   You have to use cnMaestro (either on or off premise) to serve as 
>>> the proxy to communicate with the SAS - that’s just part of how the system 
>>> works.
>>>  
>>> If Cambium support isn’t working with you on it contact your regional 
>>> Cambium sales manager.   If that doesn’t work it’s not too hard to find 
>>> your way up the Cambium organization until you get results.  
>>> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/our-company/executive-team/ 
>>>  is the list.  
>>>  Cambium follows the  first.l...@cambiumnetworks.com 
>>> format for email addresses.   Start 
>>> with the CSM and escalate as needed.
>>>  
>>> Mark
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
 On Jan 30, 2020, at 11:25 AM, David Coudron >>> > wrote:

 Interested to know what folks are doing or planning to do who have Cambium 
 PMP 450 3.65 equipment in the field.   It is our understanding that 
 Cambium is the only SAS option we have due to the need to have cnMaestro 
 be the Domain Proxy for the SAS.   Has anyone got this up and working?   
 We have been requesting access to the CBRS options in cnMaestro for two 
 weeks but are not making much progress.   With full commercial 
 availability, we are a little surprised that this isn’t available.   Are 
 there other options for connecting to a SAS other than using Cambium as 
 the SAS Domain Proxy?   Seems they might not be ready for this, or are not 
 heavily committed to it.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180


  
  
I think he means bandwidth as opposed to "speed". Surely latency
  would be almost indistinguishable. However, there could be a lot
  of difference in the bandwidth. Regardless of the sat-to-sat
  speed, the downlink/uplink will still be the gating factor.

bp



On 1/30/2020 11:40 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  In a vacuum it should be the same.  
  

   
  
From: can...@believewireless.net

Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~
  180
  

 
  
  

  What's
the difference in speed between the laser and RF links?

 

  On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at
10:40 AM Bill Prince 
wrote:
  
  

  Not what I read. The early sats (the ones other
than the first 60) do not have the laser
communications between them, but they do have an RF
link between them. They are functional.
   
  bp



  On 1/29/2020 7:56 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
  
  
The sats that are up there now also
  are not equipped to communicate with each other.
  There is no inner satellite communication.
  Everything has to come down to ground stations
  right now.
 

  On Wed, Jan 29,
2020 at 12:08 PM Bill Prince 
wrote:
  
  
SpaceX got another 60 Starlink sats into orbit
this morning. That brings 
the functional constellation to 180 sats. The
first batch of 60 don't 
count since they are not equipped to communicate
with each other. 
Various reports say either 300 or 400 sats are
required to get a basic 
minimal functioning system. At the rate they're
going, this may mean 
they will have achieved their goal in another
couple of months (they 
want to do 2 launches per month).

https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-3-satellites-launch-rocket-landing-success.html

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180

In a vacuum it should be the same.  

From: can...@believewireless.net 
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180

What's the difference in speed between the laser and RF links?

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:40 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

  Not what I read. The early sats (the ones other than the first 60) do not 
have the laser communications between them, but they do have an RF link between 
them. They are functional.

bp

On 1/29/2020 7:56 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:

The sats that are up there now also are not equipped to communicate with 
each other. There is no inner satellite communication. Everything has to come 
down to ground stations right now.

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:08 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

  SpaceX got another 60 Starlink sats into orbit this morning. That brings 
  the functional constellation to 180 sats. The first batch of 60 don't 
  count since they are not equipped to communicate with each other. 
  Various reports say either 300 or 400 sats are required to get a basic 
  minimal functioning system. At the rate they're going, this may mean 
  they will have achieved their goal in another couple of months (they 
  want to do 2 launches per month).

https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-3-satellites-launch-rocket-landing-success.html

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180

2020-01-30 Thread can...@believewireless.net

What's the difference in speed between the laser and RF links?

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:40 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Not what I read. The early sats (the ones other than the first 60) do not
> have the laser communications between them, but they do have an RF link
> between them. They are functional.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/29/2020 7:56 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> The sats that are up there now also are not equipped to communicate with
> each other. There is no inner satellite communication. Everything has to
> come down to ground stations right now.
>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:08 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>>
>> SpaceX got another 60 Starlink sats into orbit this morning. That brings
>> the functional constellation to 180 sats. The first batch of 60 don't
>> count since they are not equipped to communicate with each other.
>> Various reports say either 300 or 400 sats are required to get a basic
>> minimal functioning system. At the rate they're going, this may mean
>> they will have achieved their goal in another couple of months (they
>> want to do 2 launches per month).
>>
>>
>> https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-3-satellites-launch-rocket-landing-success.html
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] RackInjector firmware upgrade

I bit the bullet this morning and upgraded one with 4 AP's and 95 subs on
it. It rebooted quickly without tripping anything. That's a nice feature.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 1:22 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 1/30/20 8:09 AM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
> > I've created two different tickets via their support page but never
> > received a confirmation or any indication of a successful submission. I
> > assumed it was broken. However, I believe you are correct about it not
> > creating an outage. I just wanted someone who's done it to confirm.
>
>
> I've done it once and it didn't power cycle anything.
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Re: [AFMUG] RackInjector firmware upgrade

2020-01-30 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 1/30/20 8:09 AM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
I've created two different tickets via their support page but never 
received a confirmation or any indication of a successful submission. I 
assumed it was broken. However, I believe you are correct about it not 
creating an outage. I just wanted someone who's done it to confirm.



I've done it once and it didn't power cycle anything.

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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

I see there’s a beta 4 release today.  Haven’t read the release notes yet.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

We also found a big with one Medusa AP that wouldn’t get sync even tho the sync 
status showed cambium sync and timing port sync.  Solution was to turn on 
‘auto-sync + free-run’ and then also enable ‘free run before gps sync’  still 
working with cambium on a better fix but it’s working for now.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:54 AM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

It has bugs, that’s for sure - but it’s workable.

Turn off ‘spectrum scan on startup’ if you enable CBSD.  It goes into an 
endless loop in this beta. That’s probably the worst bug we have found.

Mark

Mark Radabaugh

Amplex

22690 Pemberville Rd 

Luckey, OH 43443 

419-261-5996

On Jan 30, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Mark, how worried are you about the 450 firmware still being beta?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

We have it up and running happily.  Just converted this site today:

You can pick the SAS you want to use with cnMaestro but the default option is 
Federated, but they will let you work with the other SAS vendors if you prefer. 
  You have to use cnMaestro (either on or off premise) to serve as the proxy to 
communicate with the SAS - that’s just part of how the system works.

If Cambium support isn’t working with you on it contact your regional Cambium 
sales manager.   If that doesn’t work it’s not too hard to find your way up the 
Cambium organization until you get results.  
https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/our-company/executive-team/ is the list.   
Cambium follows the  first.l...@cambiumnetworks.com 
  format for email addresses.   Start 
with the CSM and escalate as needed.

Mark

On Jan 30, 2020, at 11:25 AM, David Coudron mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com> > wrote:

Interested to know what folks are doing or planning to do who have Cambium PMP 
450 3.65 equipment in the field.   It is our understanding that Cambium is the 
only SAS option we have due to the need to have cnMaestro be the Domain Proxy 
for the SAS.   Has anyone got this up and working?   We have been requesting 
access to the CBRS options in cnMaestro for two weeks but are not making much 
progress.   With full commercial availability, we are a little surprised that 
this isn’t available.   Are there other options for connecting to a SAS other 
than using Cambium as the SAS Domain Proxy?   Seems they might not be ready for 
this, or are not heavily committed to it.

Regards,

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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

2020-01-30 Thread Sean Heskett

We also found a big with one Medusa AP that wouldn’t get sync even tho the
sync status showed cambium sync and timing port sync.  Solution was to turn
on ‘auto-sync + free-run’ and then also enable ‘free run before gps sync’
 still working with cambium on a better fix but it’s working for now.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:54 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> It has bugs, that’s for sure - but it’s workable.
>
> Turn off ‘spectrum scan on startup’ if you enable CBSD.  It goes into an
> endless loop in this beta. That’s probably the worst bug we have found.
>
> Mark
>
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
> 22690 Pemberville Rd
> 
> Luckey, OH 43443
> 
> 419-261-5996
>
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Mark, how worried are you about the 450 firmware still being beta?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:35 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium
>
>
>
> We have it up and running happily.  Just converted this site today:
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> You can pick the SAS you want to use with cnMaestro but the default option
> is Federated, but they will let you work with the other SAS vendors if you
> prefer.   You have to use cnMaestro (either on or off premise) to serve as
> the proxy to communicate with the SAS - that’s just part of how the system
> works.
>
>
>
> If Cambium support isn’t working with you on it contact your regional
> Cambium sales manager.   If that doesn’t work it’s not too hard to find
> your way up the Cambium organization until you get results.
> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/our-company/executive-team/ is the list.
>   Cambium follows the  first.l...@cambiumnetworks.com format for email
> addresses.   Start with the CSM and escalate as needed.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 11:25 AM, David Coudron 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Interested to know what folks are doing or planning to do who have Cambium
> PMP 450 3.65 equipment in the field.   It is our understanding that Cambium
> is the only SAS option we have due to the need to have cnMaestro be the
> Domain Proxy for the SAS.   Has anyone got this up and working?   We have
> been requesting access to the CBRS options in cnMaestro for two weeks but
> are not making much progress.   With full commercial availability, we are a
> little surprised that this isn’t available.   Are there other options for
> connecting to a SAS other than using Cambium as the SAS Domain Proxy?
> Seems they might not be ready for this, or are not heavily committed to it.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

It has bugs, that’s for sure - but it’s workable.

Turn off ‘spectrum scan on startup’ if you enable CBSD.  It goes into an 
endless loop in this beta. That’s probably the worst bug we have found.

Mark

Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43443
419-261-5996

> On Jan 30, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Mark, how worried are you about the 450 firmware still being beta?
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:35 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium
>  
> We have it up and running happily.  Just converted this site today:
>  
> 
>  
> You can pick the SAS you want to use with cnMaestro but the default option is 
> Federated, but they will let you work with the other SAS vendors if you 
> prefer.   You have to use cnMaestro (either on or off premise) to serve as 
> the proxy to communicate with the SAS - that’s just part of how the system 
> works.
>  
> If Cambium support isn’t working with you on it contact your regional Cambium 
> sales manager.   If that doesn’t work it’s not too hard to find your way up 
> the Cambium organization until you get results.  
> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/our-company/executive-team/ is the list.   
> Cambium follows the  first.l...@cambiumnetworks.com format for email 
> addresses.   Start with the CSM and escalate as needed.
>  
> Mark
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 11:25 AM, David Coudron  
> wrote:
>  
> Interested to know what folks are doing or planning to do who have Cambium 
> PMP 450 3.65 equipment in the field.   It is our understanding that Cambium 
> is the only SAS option we have due to the need to have cnMaestro be the 
> Domain Proxy for the SAS.   Has anyone got this up and working?   We have 
> been requesting access to the CBRS options in cnMaestro for two weeks but are 
> not making much progress.   With full commercial availability, we are a 
> little surprised that this isn’t available.   Are there other options for 
> connecting to a SAS other than using Cambium as the SAS Domain Proxy?   Seems 
> they might not be ready for this, or are not heavily committed to it.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> David Coudron
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Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

I would disagree on the financials.  A copy of good financials, even 5 years 
worth, gives you a very clear picture as to the health of your company.


If they are handing out public money (not really sure as to the source of 
funds, if USF generated it is not truly public money), they have a fiduciary 
duty to the public to award the money to healthy companies that truly have 
the ability to use it properly.


That said, I know one WISP early on in the community grants that bought a 
truckload of towers and very large flooded cell C.O. batts and they sat and 
rotted away in the desert.  He never did use the batts.


-Original Message- 
From: Matt Hoppes

Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 10:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Dev
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

Here's my dream "funding process".

I've seen too much money used for things that didn't end up being the
projected end-goal.

Company must have been in existence for 5 years.  Company must show
competency and growth organically.   Company must show business plan
that will work (no fluff.. an actual business plan which will be audited).

Who cares about your financials?  This isn't about financials, this is
about funding and running broadband.

A visit to your facility by a funding representative is required.  Meet
with you, talk with you, see what you are doing.  Talk with some of your
existing customers to determine if you actually provide quality services.

No companies with more than 10,000 subscribers are allowed to bid on
some funding, and no more than 150,000 subscribers on other funding.

Money is presented to the provider who provides the most sound,
reasonable business plan, which will turn a profit on its own in 3-5 years.

A feasibility interest study must be performed by the provider taking
survey requests from end users to determine if there is actually a need
AND desire for internet at the area.

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Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers

2020-01-30 Thread Eric Nielsen

Odd. I just reached out to the SAS team and told them to contact you ASAP.
Out of curiosity, who did you try contacting at CommScope?

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 12:38 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Has anyone actually gotten signed up?   Google has a very long drawn out
> procedure and a $5k deposit requirement.  No one from Commscope will
> contact me. working on Federated now.
>
> On 1/27/20 3:01 PM, Eric Nielsen wrote:
> > The FCC just certified the first round of SAS providers - CommScope,
> > Federated, Google and Sony.
> > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-110A1.pdf
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC certified SAS providers

Has anyone actually gotten signed up?   Google has a very long drawn out 
procedure and a $5k deposit requirement.  No one from Commscope will 
contact me. working on Federated now.


On 1/27/20 3:01 PM, Eric Nielsen wrote:
The FCC just certified the first round of SAS providers - CommScope, 
Federated, Google and Sony.

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-20-110A1.pdf



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Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?


Here's my dream "funding process".

I've seen too much money used for things that didn't end up being the 
projected end-goal.


Company must have been in existence for 5 years.  Company must show 
competency and growth organically.   Company must show business plan 
that will work (no fluff.. an actual business plan which will be audited).


Who cares about your financials?  This isn't about financials, this is 
about funding and running broadband.


A visit to your facility by a funding representative is required.  Meet 
with you, talk with you, see what you are doing.  Talk with some of your 
existing customers to determine if you actually provide quality services.


No companies with more than 10,000 subscribers are allowed to bid on 
some funding, and no more than 150,000 subscribers on other funding.


Money is presented to the provider who provides the most sound, 
reasonable business plan, which will turn a profit on its own in 3-5 years.


A feasibility interest study must be performed by the provider taking 
survey requests from end users to determine if there is actually a need 
AND desire for internet at the area.


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Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

2020-01-30 Thread Dev

I think it’s a confusing landscape to navigate and small operators sort of give 
up because:

1. We can’t afford to dedicate an employee to checking all the boxes and doing 
all the steps year round to MAYBE get funded.

2. Regulations favor larger carriers with more wherewithal, which is the same 
group that’s caused a lot of the problems to begin with.

3. Banks don’t like small carriers, audited books or otherwise. Maybe Live Oak 
is the exception? They say they are, who knows?

The danger, or course, is that you get snuffed out by someone with "free 
money", and otherwise no intention of serving the customers in your service 
area - the big carriers who caused the problem now get paid to put us out of 
business, when we were the most likely to serve high-cost underserved areas. 
Meanwhile they starve us for spectrum needed to make it happen.

If any of you suddenly got your wish and ran the funding machine, what would be 
the most effective way to fund the stated broadband goals?


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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

2020-01-30 Thread dave via AF


Still working on migration so I will know soon..
 I just wanted to re validate each site we onboard before doing so 
because I dont want to have to go back for incorrect information.
We have had an NN license since 2010 and since the first cambium pmp450 
3.65 we have been on board for this but we have added at least 23 sites

with these since then to included the newest medusa line.
I will know something by next week when I press the button on our first 
site for sure lol :)



On 1/30/20 10:25 AM, David Coudron wrote:


Interested to know what folks are doing or planning to do who have 
Cambium PMP 450 3.65 equipment in the field.   It is our understanding 
that Cambium is the only SAS option we have due to the need to have 
cnMaestro be the Domain Proxy for the SAS.   Has anyone got this up 
and working?   We have been requesting access to the CBRS options in 
cnMaestro for two weeks but are not making much progress.   With full 
commercial availability, we are a little surprised that this isn’t 
available.   Are there other options for connecting to a SAS other 
than using Cambium as the SAS Domain Proxy?   Seems they might not be 
ready for this, or are not heavily committed to it.


Regards,

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Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?


I am just saying that RLECs always have a winning situation with CAF.

Price caps will benefit by helping to pay for OSP but it does not guarantee 
that there is a rate of return.
Some times they are under compliance deadlines and a CAF award would reduce 
their cost of compliance.


-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 9:56 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

Verizon did most of the CAF stuff around here.  I don't usually think of
them as a "rural" LEC.  But I suppose with dozens of corporate entities
under their name they can be whatever type of LEC they feel like being
today.


On 1/30/2020 11:47 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Yes, more specifically non price cap LEC or RLEC.
Even better if they are a non ACAM RLEC.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 9:37 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

So basically CAF bidder == LEC?


On 1/30/2020 11:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
That is why the system only works for regulated rate of return carriers. 
They don't have to make the normal business case pencil out because they 
are guaranteed to cover their costs and get a return on the investment.


-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 8:41 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Dev
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

Maybe it's because the low hanging fruit has been taken and the rest
doesn't work?

I just finished a proposal for fiber to the home for two rural
communities here in Pennsylvania.

I knew it would cost money and grants would be needed, but what I didn't
realize until after I finished the presentation for the County
Commissioners was that the system would operate a a nearly $2,500/month
ongoing deficit once installed - and that was assuming a 100% take rate
of about 300 end-users.

On 1/29/20 1:07 PM, Dev wrote:
Got a question from an elected official type about why bids have been 
slow to come in for CAF-II, and also looking at RDOF and the satellite 
"lock  up”. I’m sure there are some opinions here, any you wish to 
relate?








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Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

Verizon did most of the CAF stuff around here.  I don't usually think of 
them as a "rural" LEC.  But I suppose with dozens of corporate entities 
under their name they can be whatever type of LEC they feel like being 
today.



On 1/30/2020 11:47 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Yes, more specifically non price cap LEC or RLEC.
Even better if they are a non ACAM RLEC.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 9:37 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

So basically CAF bidder == LEC?


On 1/30/2020 11:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
That is why the system only works for regulated rate of return 
carriers. They don't have to make the normal business case pencil out 
because they are guaranteed to cover their costs and get a return on 
the investment.


-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 8:41 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Dev
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

Maybe it's because the low hanging fruit has been taken and the rest
doesn't work?

I just finished a proposal for fiber to the home for two rural
communities here in Pennsylvania.

I knew it would cost money and grants would be needed, but what I didn't
realize until after I finished the presentation for the County
Commissioners was that the system would operate a a nearly $2,500/month
ongoing deficit once installed - and that was assuming a 100% take rate
of about 300 end-users.

On 1/29/20 1:07 PM, Dev wrote:
Got a question from an elected official type about why bids have 
been slow to come in for CAF-II, and also looking at RDOF and the 
satellite "lock  up”. I’m sure there are some opinions here, any you 
wish to relate?








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Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

Yes, more specifically non price cap LEC or RLEC.
Even better if they are a non ACAM RLEC.

-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 9:37 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

So basically CAF bidder == LEC?

On 1/30/2020 11:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
That is why the system only works for regulated rate of return carriers. 
They don't have to make the normal business case pencil out because they 
are guaranteed to cover their costs and get a return on the investment.

-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 8:41 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Dev
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

Maybe it's because the low hanging fruit has been taken and the rest
doesn't work?

I just finished a proposal for fiber to the home for two rural
communities here in Pennsylvania.

I knew it would cost money and grants would be needed, but what I didn't
realize until after I finished the presentation for the County
Commissioners was that the system would operate a a nearly $2,500/month
ongoing deficit once installed - and that was assuming a 100% take rate
of about 300 end-users.

On 1/29/20 1:07 PM, Dev wrote:
Got a question from an elected official type about why bids have been 
slow to come in for CAF-II, and also looking at RDOF and the satellite 
"lock  up”. I’m sure there are some opinions here, any you wish to 
relate?

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Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?


So basically CAF bidder == LEC?


On 1/30/2020 11:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
That is why the system only works for regulated rate of return 
carriers. They don't have to make the normal business case pencil out 
because they are guaranteed to cover their costs and get a return on 
the investment.


-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 8:41 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Dev
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

Maybe it's because the low hanging fruit has been taken and the rest
doesn't work?

I just finished a proposal for fiber to the home for two rural
communities here in Pennsylvania.

I knew it would cost money and grants would be needed, but what I didn't
realize until after I finished the presentation for the County
Commissioners was that the system would operate a a nearly $2,500/month
ongoing deficit once installed - and that was assuming a 100% take rate
of about 300 end-users.

On 1/29/20 1:07 PM, Dev wrote:
Got a question from an elected official type about why bids have been 
slow to come in for CAF-II, and also looking at RDOF and the 
satellite "lock  up”. I’m sure there are some opinions here, any you 
wish to relate?






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[AFMUG] CBRS SAS options from Cambium

2020-01-30 Thread David Coudron

Interested to know what folks are doing or planning to do who have Cambium PMP 
450 3.65 equipment in the field.   It is our understanding that Cambium is the 
only SAS option we have due to the need to have cnMaestro be the Domain Proxy 
for the SAS.   Has anyone got this up and working?   We have been requesting 
access to the CBRS options in cnMaestro for two weeks but are not making much 
progress.   With full commercial availability, we are a little surprised that 
this isn't available.   Are there other options for connecting to a SAS other 
than using Cambium as the SAS Domain Proxy?   Seems they might not be ready for 
this, or are not heavily committed to it.

Regards,

David Coudron
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Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

That is why the system only works for regulated rate of return carriers. 
They don't have to make the normal business case pencil out because they are 
guaranteed to cover their costs and get a return on the investment.

-Original Message- 
From: Matt Hoppes

Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 8:41 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Dev
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

Maybe it's because the low hanging fruit has been taken and the rest
doesn't work?

I just finished a proposal for fiber to the home for two rural
communities here in Pennsylvania.

I knew it would cost money and grants would be needed, but what I didn't
realize until after I finished the presentation for the County
Commissioners was that the system would operate a a nearly $2,500/month
ongoing deficit once installed - and that was assuming a 100% take rate
of about 300 end-users.

On 1/29/20 1:07 PM, Dev wrote:
Got a question from an elected official type about why bids have been slow 
to come in for CAF-II, and also looking at RDOF and the satellite "lock 
 up”. I’m sure there are some opinions here, any you wish to relate?

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Re: [AFMUG] RackInjector firmware upgrade

I've created two different tickets via their support page but never
received a confirmation or any indication of a successful submission. I
assumed it was broken. However, I believe you are correct about it not
creating an outage. I just wanted someone who's done it to confirm.

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:51 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> I’m 99% sure it doesn’t cause a power outage to the ports.
>
> You might submit a ticket to PacketFlux if you need a 100% answer, they
> usually respond right away to their tickets.  Forest might chime in here on
> the list.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 8:16 AM Eric Muehleisen 
> wrote:
>
>> Is a RackInjector firmware upgrade service affecting? Will it disrupt
>> service to the ports it's powering during the upgrade process?
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Re: [AFMUG] RackInjector firmware upgrade

2020-01-30 Thread Sean Heskett

I’m 99% sure it doesn’t cause a power outage to the ports.

You might submit a ticket to PacketFlux if you need a 100% answer, they
usually respond right away to their tickets.  Forest might chime in here on
the list.

-Sean

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 8:16 AM Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> Is a RackInjector firmware upgrade service affecting? Will it disrupt
> service to the ports it's powering during the upgrade process?
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Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

There is also that we looked several times and decided  there was 
way too much red tape and string for us to bother with it.


On 1/29/20 1:38 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
We had an opportunity to bid on CAF via the New York State BPO in 2018. 
Nobody involved like the strings attached.  At this point I can't 
remember what the "strings" were, just that they sounded like a nuisance.


Perhaps the bigger issue was that the public contributions seemed to be 
structured over a 10 year period.  A 10 year payback means it's fiber 
optic or nothingperhaps that's by design.  More importantly, the 
private equity partners were not happy with the idea of a >10 year 
return.  We ended up building only in areas with NY State broadband 
funding and skipping around the CAF areas.


I can put you in touch with people who are still involved in that 
project if you hit me offlist.


Frankly the way the NY BPO has structured their current program is a lot 
more attractive than CAF.  So attractive that they've overwhelmed the 
capacity of engineering, make-ready, and line contractors with the 
amount of broadband construction ongoing in NY State for the past 
several years --I mean that in a good way. Everyone is struggling to 
build more and build faster into rural markets because NY BPO made it 
viable for them to do so.  You might talk to them about what they've done.


-Adam Moffett



On 1/29/2020 1:07 PM, Dev wrote:
Got a question from an elected official type about why bids have been 
slow to come in for CAF-II, and also looking at RDOF and the satellite 
"lock up”. I’m sure there are some opinions here, any you wish to relate?




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Re: [AFMUG] CAF-II lack of bidders?

Maybe it's because the low hanging fruit has been taken and the rest 
doesn't work?


I just finished a proposal for fiber to the home for two rural 
communities here in Pennsylvania.


I knew it would cost money and grants would be needed, but what I didn't 
realize until after I finished the presentation for the County 
Commissioners was that the system would operate a a nearly $2,500/month 
ongoing deficit once installed - and that was assuming a 100% take rate 
of about 300 end-users.


On 1/29/20 1:07 PM, Dev wrote:

Got a question from an elected official type about why bids have been slow to come 
in for CAF-II, and also looking at RDOF and the satellite "lock up”. I’m sure 
there are some opinions here, any you wish to relate?



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now there are ~~ 180


  
  
Not what I read. The early sats (the ones other than the first
  60) do not have the laser communications between them, but they do
  have an RF link between them. They are functional.


bp



On 1/29/2020 7:56 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:


  
  The sats that are up there now also are not
equipped to communicate with each other. There is no inner
satellite communication. Everything has to come down to ground
stations right now.
  
  
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:08
  PM Bill Prince  wrote:


  SpaceX got another 60 Starlink sats into orbit this morning.
  That brings 
  the functional constellation to 180 sats. The first batch of
  60 don't 
  count since they are not equipped to communicate with each
  other. 
  Various reports say either 300 or 400 sats are required to get
  a basic 
  minimal functioning system. At the rate they're going, this
  may mean 
  they will have achieved their goal in another couple of months
  (they 
  want to do 2 launches per month).
  
  https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-3-satellites-launch-rocket-landing-success.html
  
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[AFMUG] RackInjector firmware upgrade