Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Equipment
No, it doesn't. I'm not sure if all of it works the same way or not, but the Cambium stuff has a layer 2 option that creates tunnels through it, but it's all done over IPv6. On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 7:22 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > Does Terragraph not natively support L2 bridging? > > On Friday, February 11, 2022, Sean Heskett wrote: > >> Cambium is certified terragraph mesh which allows you to use clients as >> distribution points for other clients. >> >> Big advantage since you don’t have to secure tons of “tower” sites. >> >> -Sean >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 11:28 AM Jason McKemie < >> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >> >>> I'm looking to deploy this for a short-range downtown network from a >>> multi-story building, does anyone have any recommended equipment vendors in >>> this band? It looks like Cambium, Siklu, and Ignitenet have offerings, but >>> I'm not sure what differentiates them. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> Sean Heskett >> >> ZIRKEL >> Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV >> 970-871-8500 x100 - Office >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Equipment
Terragraph is natively all IPv6 and meshes. All v4 traffic through the Terragraph network is tunneled in some way (probably encapsulated in UDP packets like VXLAN or something). Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2022, at 6:22 PM, Jason McKemie > wrote: > > Does Terragraph not natively support L2 bridging? > >> On Friday, February 11, 2022, Sean Heskett wrote: >> Cambium is certified terragraph mesh which allows you to use clients as >> distribution points for other clients. >> >> Big advantage since you don’t have to secure tons of “tower” sites. >> >> -Sean >> >> >>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 11:28 AM Jason McKemie >>> wrote: >>> I'm looking to deploy this for a short-range downtown network from a >>> multi-story building, does anyone have any recommended equipment vendors in >>> this band? It looks like Cambium, Siklu, and Ignitenet have offerings, but >>> I'm not sure what differentiates them. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> Sean Heskett >> >> ZIRKEL >> Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV >> 970-871-8500 x100 - Office > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Conflict
Somewhat. Especially if they are on the same parcel. I would probably do it
if I had an Airbnb cabin.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 11, 2022, at 7:17 PM, Aeron Wireless wrote:
>
>
> Little back story. My company was Aeron Wireless. I have a GREAT relationship
> with the FISP. The FISP had always been my backbone provider. I've sold my
> company and came on as an employee to the WISP in question.
>
> I've made it known that I am unhappy about him selling these PTPs. Yes he's
> done this before. This was the first one since I've been onboard.
>
> House A and House B are owned by the same people. House B is a rental, I
> guess landlord wants to include internet in the rent and not pay any more for
> it. To me it doesn't make any difference. One residence, one account. Two
> residences, two accounts. Does this change anything for anyone?
>
>
>
> sent from my android phone
>
>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 9:09 PM Bill Prince wrote:
>> Yeah. Someone like that I would tell them to DIY. No ethical company would
>> knowingly do that.
>>
>> --
>> bp
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>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 5:56 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> Technically you are enabling theft of service. You or your company may be
>>> exposed. At the least you guys will take a hit to your reputation if this
>>> comes to light.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
> On Feb 11, 2022, at 6:23 PM, Aeron Wireless
> wrote:
>
Thanks for the clarification. As an employee, I've made my concerns known.
I wondering if I should put it in writing.
sent from my android phone
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 8:21 PM Jason McKemie
> wrote:
> *If I were your boss.
>
>> On Friday, February 11, 2022, Jason McKemie
>> wrote:
>> I wouldn't take this job.
>>
>>> On Friday, February 11, 2022, Aeron Wireless
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Today boss sends us out into a FISP's territory to set up a wireless
>>> PTP between two neighboring houses. House A pays for fiber service.
>>> House B has fiber installed but are now getting service over the
>>> wireless PTP.
>>>
>>> I can't help but to think how the boss would react if this happened in
>>> our territory. What's everyone's take on this?
>>>
>>> sent from my android phone
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Re: [AFMUG] Conflict
Little back story. My company was Aeron Wireless. I have a GREAT
relationship with the FISP. The FISP had always been my backbone provider.
I've sold my company and came on as an employee to the WISP in question.
I've made it known that I am unhappy about him selling these PTPs. Yes he's
done this before. This was the first one since I've been onboard.
House A and House B are owned by the same people. House B is a rental, I
guess landlord wants to include internet in the rent and not pay any more
for it. To me it doesn't make any difference. One residence, one account.
Two residences, two accounts. Does this change anything for anyone?
sent from my android phone
On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 9:09 PM Bill Prince wrote:
> Yeah. Someone like that I would tell them to DIY. No ethical company would
> knowingly do that.
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 5:56 PM Chuck McCown via AF
> wrote:
>
>> Technically you are enabling theft of service. You or your company may
>> be exposed. At the least you guys will take a hit to your reputation if
>> this comes to light.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2022, at 6:23 PM, Aeron Wireless
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the clarification. As an employee, I've made my concerns
>> known. I wondering if I should put it in writing.
>>
>> sent from my android phone
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 8:21 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> *If I were your boss.
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 11, 2022, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
I wouldn't take this job.
On Friday, February 11, 2022, Aeron Wireless
wrote:
>
> Today boss sends us out into a FISP's territory to set up a wireless
> PTP between two neighboring houses. House A pays for fiber service. House
> B
> has fiber installed but are now getting service over the wireless PTP.
>
> I can't help but to think how the boss would react if this happened in
> our territory. What's everyone's take on this?
>
> sent from my android phone
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Conflict
Yeah. Someone like that I would tell them to DIY. No ethical company would
knowingly do that.
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On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 5:56 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> Technically you are enabling theft of service. You or your company may be
> exposed. At the least you guys will take a hit to your reputation if this
> comes to light.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 11, 2022, at 6:23 PM, Aeron Wireless
> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for the clarification. As an employee, I've made my concerns known.
> I wondering if I should put it in writing.
>
> sent from my android phone
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 8:21 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> *If I were your boss.
>>
>> On Friday, February 11, 2022, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I wouldn't take this job.
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 11, 2022, Aeron Wireless
>>> wrote:
>>>
Today boss sends us out into a FISP's territory to set up a wireless
PTP between two neighboring houses. House A pays for fiber service. House B
has fiber installed but are now getting service over the wireless PTP.
I can't help but to think how the boss would react if this happened in
our territory. What's everyone's take on this?
sent from my android phone
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Re: [AFMUG] Conflict
Technically you are enabling theft of service. You or your company may be exposed. At the least you guys will take a hit to your reputation if this comes to light. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2022, at 6:23 PM, Aeron Wireless wrote: > > > Thanks for the clarification. As an employee, I've made my concerns known. I > wondering if I should put it in writing. > > sent from my android phone > >> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 8:21 PM Jason McKemie >> wrote: >> *If I were your boss. >> >>> On Friday, February 11, 2022, Jason McKemie >>> wrote: >>> I wouldn't take this job. >>> On Friday, February 11, 2022, Aeron Wireless wrote: Today boss sends us out into a FISP's territory to set up a wireless PTP between two neighboring houses. House A pays for fiber service. House B has fiber installed but are now getting service over the wireless PTP. I can't help but to think how the boss would react if this happened in our territory. What's everyone's take on this? sent from my android phone >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Conflict
Thanks for the clarification. As an employee, I've made my concerns known. I wondering if I should put it in writing. sent from my android phone On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 8:21 PM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > *If I were your boss. > > On Friday, February 11, 2022, Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > >> I wouldn't take this job. >> >> On Friday, February 11, 2022, Aeron Wireless >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Today boss sends us out into a FISP's territory to set up a wireless PTP >>> between two neighboring houses. House A pays for fiber service. House B has >>> fiber installed but are now getting service over the wireless PTP. >>> >>> I can't help but to think how the boss would react if this happened in >>> our territory. What's everyone's take on this? >>> >>> sent from my android phone >>> >> -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Equipment
Does Terragraph not natively support L2 bridging? On Friday, February 11, 2022, Sean Heskett wrote: > Cambium is certified terragraph mesh which allows you to use clients as > distribution points for other clients. > > Big advantage since you don’t have to secure tons of “tower” sites. > > -Sean > > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 11:28 AM Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > >> I'm looking to deploy this for a short-range downtown network from a >> multi-story building, does anyone have any recommended equipment vendors in >> this band? It looks like Cambium, Siklu, and Ignitenet have offerings, but >> I'm not sure what differentiates them. >> >> Thank you. >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > Sean Heskett > > ZIRKEL > Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV > 970-871-8500 x100 - Office > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Conflict
*If I were your boss. On Friday, February 11, 2022, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > I wouldn't take this job. > > On Friday, February 11, 2022, Aeron Wireless > wrote: > >> >> Today boss sends us out into a FISP's territory to set up a wireless PTP >> between two neighboring houses. House A pays for fiber service. House B has >> fiber installed but are now getting service over the wireless PTP. >> >> I can't help but to think how the boss would react if this happened in >> our territory. What's everyone's take on this? >> >> sent from my android phone >> > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Conflict
I wouldn't take this job. On Friday, February 11, 2022, Aeron Wireless wrote: > > Today boss sends us out into a FISP's territory to set up a wireless PTP > between two neighboring houses. House A pays for fiber service. House B has > fiber installed but are now getting service over the wireless PTP. > > I can't help but to think how the boss would react if this happened in our > territory. What's everyone's take on this? > > sent from my android phone > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Conflict
Today boss sends us out into a FISP's territory to set up a wireless PTP between two neighboring houses. House A pays for fiber service. House B has fiber installed but are now getting service over the wireless PTP. I can't help but to think how the boss would react if this happened in our territory. What's everyone's take on this? sent from my android phone -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Equipment
Cambium is certified terragraph mesh which allows you to use clients as distribution points for other clients. Big advantage since you don’t have to secure tons of “tower” sites. -Sean On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 11:28 AM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > I'm looking to deploy this for a short-range downtown network from a > multi-story building, does anyone have any recommended equipment vendors in > this band? It looks like Cambium, Siklu, and Ignitenet have offerings, but > I'm not sure what differentiates them. > > Thank you. > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Sean Heskett ZIRKEL Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV 970-871-8500 x100 - Office -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans
You gets the basement and table scraps. Why isn’t the laundry done yet. From: Steve Jones Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 2:41 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans sweet https://www.utcourts.gov/howto/family/adoption/adultadoption/ whats up papi, when do i get my check also, if we are going the adoption route, the F the commies again On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 3:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I do redistribute, but so far limited to my kids... From: Steve Jones Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 2:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans nah, chuck is going to see the err of his ways, hoarding all that wealth. I think hes gonna come around and redistribute it. On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 2:59 PM Josh Luthman wrote: Pretty sure they're going to be waiting a lng time... On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 3:21 PM Steve Jones wrote: No, wasnt at a point yet for legitimate contact. Still am not. Hes on my list for that though. Im still hoping chuck mccown just cuts me a check. That would save so many people so much time. On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 2:10 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Did you talk to John? From: Steve Jones Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 12:55 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans Yeah,i may have burned that bridge, i filled out the generic contact form figuring id get a call for them to politely tell me to kick rocks, but i got a fast fuck off, go hang out with the other poors email. (It was actually a very polite and professional form letter) On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 1:26 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: yep From: Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 12:16 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans Is that liveoakbank.com? On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 1:04 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Talking to John Scrivner of Live Oak. Looks like a good bank for guys like us. From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 12:47 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans Tried that myself, in the end it wasn’t worth a shit. Probably spent 15 years grooming a local bank.They were more than happy to take our deposits, give us auto and real estate loans but when it came to fiber it was a completely different story. In the end they were worthless. Ended up going with Live Oak, who has been great to work with. Skip the local guys - they don’t understand anything that isn’t real estate or vehicles. Get your books in order, do proper accrual accounting, quit expensing everything, and go find a bank that knows the industry. Stop wasting your time with the idiots. Mark On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: That’s important: “was on first name basis with VP and loan officer... “ You gotta get a local bank, stick with it and get to know them and them get to know you. Makes a huge difference. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 5:30 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans When I started my company in 1992, I had some large purchase orders from Johnson & Johnson plus GE Capcom which I used to receive loans from bank. Had to get them signed over to bank at first but after a few large orders, the bank gave me a $100,000.00 credit line to get ramped up...Always paid on time and never abused it...was on first name basis with VP and loan officer... Not sure if banks are this open to help small businesses anymore...can't hurt to trygood luck On Thu, Feb 3, 2022, 3:18 PM Steve Jones wrote: Ive never done business loans before, just mortgage and personal. Do lenders consider contracts to be future revenue? Where is the best type of lender to look for with no business history? The local lender with the mortgages and local personal loans? National lenders? What about if 2021 deatroyed your personal credit to a fair rating, is a business loan even an option even with a contract exceeding the loan amount by 80 percent? Is the sba an actual resource to invest time into for starting something up, or is it like BBB. Aside from the loan question, when getting into underground work (laying pipe, and cablework) what expenses outside labor, insurance, maintenance(vehicle, equipment, staff lodging/per diem, fuel, etc), tax/workmans comp, etc do you come across? If
Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Equipment
Mikrotik 60ghz is by far the simplest to work with. I think all of the other PtMP offerings, aside from the older Ignitenet stuff, are Terragraph based (Cambium, Siklu and IgniteNet), which certainly has some advantages, but it's also a lot more complicated to get running. We have quite a bit of Mikrotik 60ghz PtMP running, and it mostly works pretty well. The biggest issue with it is that you're limited to 8 clients per AP, so it isn't going to scale as well as the newer Terragraph stuff, but it's super cheap and simple to work with. The best option kind of depends on what you're going to do with it. On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 2:02 PM Steve Jones wrote: > We put up some mikrotik to test range limits, only ever ran 2 so never was > really ptmp. Interface was clunky,as is mikrotik, but i bet with the > customization option in them it could be a contender. I cant really speak > of performance, we were testing fring range and it performed as expected > per the rf maths > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 12:50 PM Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >> Let me check with Mike Scott from Webatron...they are deploying Siklu >> ptmp for the Tigua Indian Reservation.. >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 11:44 AM Jason McKemie < >> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >> >>> I guess I should have specified ptmp, but it is good to know their >>> equipment works well. Thanks. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 12:36 PM Jaime Solorza < >>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I installed about 50 links using the Siklus for Boingo Wireless at Fort Bliss years ago...I like their mounting hardware much more than Ubiquiti's or Bridgewave's...never worked on Cambium 60Ghz stuff.. The Siklus worked great.. On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 11:29 AM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > I'm looking to deploy this for a short-range downtown network from a > multi-story building, does anyone have any recommended equipment vendors > in > this band? It looks like Cambium, Siklu, and Ignitenet have offerings, but > I'm not sure what differentiates them. > > Thank you. > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans
sweet https://www.utcourts.gov/howto/family/adoption/adultadoption/ whats up papi, when do i get my check also, if we are going the adoption route, the F the commies again On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 3:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > I do redistribute, but so far limited to my kids... > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Friday, February 11, 2022 2:14 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans > > nah, chuck is going to see the err of his ways, hoarding all that wealth. > I think hes gonna come around and redistribute it. > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 2:59 PM Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> Pretty sure they're going to be waiting a lng time... >> >> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 3:21 PM Steve Jones >> wrote: >> >>> No, wasnt at a point yet for legitimate contact. Still am not. Hes on my >>> list for that though. Im still hoping chuck mccown just cuts me a check. >>> That would save so many people so much time. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 2:10 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> Did you talk to John? *From:* Steve Jones *Sent:* Friday, February 11, 2022 12:55 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans Yeah,i may have burned that bridge, i filled out the generic contact form figuring id get a call for them to politely tell me to kick rocks, but i got a fast fuck off, go hang out with the other poors email. (It was actually a very polite and professional form letter) On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 1:26 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > yep > > *From:* Jason McKemie > *Sent:* Friday, February 11, 2022 12:16 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans > > Is that liveoakbank.com? > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 1:04 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> Talking to John Scrivner of Live Oak. Looks like a good bank for >> guys like us. >> >> *From:* Mark Radabaugh >> *Sent:* Friday, February 4, 2022 12:47 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans >> >> Tried that myself, in the end it wasn’t worth a shit. Probably >> spent 15 years grooming a local bank.They were more than happy to >> take >> our deposits, give us auto and real estate loans but when it came to >> fiber >> it was a completely different story. >> >> In the end they were worthless. Ended up going with Live Oak, who >> has been great to work with. >> >> Skip the local guys - they don’t understand anything that isn’t real >> estate or vehicles. Get your books in order, do proper accrual >> accounting, quit expensing everything, and go find a bank that knows the >> industry. >> >> Stop wasting your time with the idiots. >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >> That’s important: “was on first name basis with VP and loan >> officer... “ >> >> You gotta get a local bank, stick with it and get to know them and >> them get to know you. Makes a huge difference. >> >> *From:* Jaime Solorza >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 3, 2022 5:30 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans >> >> When I started my company in 1992, I had some large purchase orders >> from Johnson & Johnson plus GE Capcom which I used to receive loans from >> bank. Had to get them signed over to bank at first but after a few large >> orders, the bank gave me a $100,000.00 credit line to get ramped >> up...Always paid on time and never abused it...was on first name basis >> with >> VP and loan officer... >> Not sure if banks are this open to help small businesses >> anymore...can't hurt to trygood luck >> >> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022, 3:18 PM Steve Jones >> wrote: >> >>> Ive never done business loans before, just mortgage and personal. >>> >>> Do lenders consider contracts to be future revenue? >>> >>> Where is the best type of lender to look for with no business >>> history? The local lender with the mortgages and local personal loans? >>> National lenders? What about if 2021 deatroyed your personal credit to a >>> fair rating, is a business loan even an option even with a contract >>> exceeding the loan amount by 80 percent? >>> >>> Is the sba an actual resource to invest time into for starting >>> something up, or is it like BBB. >>> >>> >>> Aside from the loan question, when getting into underground work >>> (laying pipe, and cablework) what expenses outside labor, insurance, >>> maintenance(vehicle, equipment, staff lodging/per diem, fuel, etc), >>> tax/workmans comp, etc do you come across? If you dont own
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I do redistribute, but so far limited to my kids... From: Steve Jones Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 2:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans nah, chuck is going to see the err of his ways, hoarding all that wealth. I think hes gonna come around and redistribute it. On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 2:59 PM Josh Luthman wrote: Pretty sure they're going to be waiting a lng time... On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 3:21 PM Steve Jones wrote: No, wasnt at a point yet for legitimate contact. Still am not. Hes on my list for that though. Im still hoping chuck mccown just cuts me a check. That would save so many people so much time. On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 2:10 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Did you talk to John? From: Steve Jones Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 12:55 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans Yeah,i may have burned that bridge, i filled out the generic contact form figuring id get a call for them to politely tell me to kick rocks, but i got a fast fuck off, go hang out with the other poors email. (It was actually a very polite and professional form letter) On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 1:26 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: yep From: Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 12:16 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans Is that liveoakbank.com? On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 1:04 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Talking to John Scrivner of Live Oak. Looks like a good bank for guys like us. From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 12:47 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans Tried that myself, in the end it wasn’t worth a shit. Probably spent 15 years grooming a local bank.They were more than happy to take our deposits, give us auto and real estate loans but when it came to fiber it was a completely different story. In the end they were worthless. Ended up going with Live Oak, who has been great to work with. Skip the local guys - they don’t understand anything that isn’t real estate or vehicles. Get your books in order, do proper accrual accounting, quit expensing everything, and go find a bank that knows the industry. Stop wasting your time with the idiots. Mark On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: That’s important: “was on first name basis with VP and loan officer... “ You gotta get a local bank, stick with it and get to know them and them get to know you. Makes a huge difference. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 5:30 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans When I started my company in 1992, I had some large purchase orders from Johnson & Johnson plus GE Capcom which I used to receive loans from bank. Had to get them signed over to bank at first but after a few large orders, the bank gave me a $100,000.00 credit line to get ramped up...Always paid on time and never abused it...was on first name basis with VP and loan officer... Not sure if banks are this open to help small businesses anymore...can't hurt to trygood luck On Thu, Feb 3, 2022, 3:18 PM Steve Jones wrote: Ive never done business loans before, just mortgage and personal. Do lenders consider contracts to be future revenue? Where is the best type of lender to look for with no business history? The local lender with the mortgages and local personal loans? National lenders? What about if 2021 deatroyed your personal credit to a fair rating, is a business loan even an option even with a contract exceeding the loan amount by 80 percent? Is the sba an actual resource to invest time into for starting something up, or is it like BBB. Aside from the loan question, when getting into underground work (laying pipe, and cablework) what expenses outside labor, insurance, maintenance(vehicle, equipment, staff lodging/per diem, fuel, etc), tax/workmans comp, etc do you come across? If you dont own the duct. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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that was when I wasnt reaching into other peoples pockets. Im now a card carrying liberal socialist, bernie bro all the way, down with capitalism and shit, go che guavahat or whatever, just put the money on the table On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 3:18 PM Josh Luthman wrote: > And here you talk bad about commies all the time... > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 4:16 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> nah, chuck is going to see the err of his ways, hoarding all that wealth. >> I think hes gonna come around and redistribute it. >> >> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 2:59 PM Josh Luthman >> wrote: >> >>> Pretty sure they're going to be waiting a lng time... >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 3:21 PM Steve Jones >>> wrote: >>> No, wasnt at a point yet for legitimate contact. Still am not. Hes on my list for that though. Im still hoping chuck mccown just cuts me a check. That would save so many people so much time. On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 2:10 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Did you talk to John? > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Friday, February 11, 2022 12:55 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans > > Yeah,i may have burned that bridge, i filled out the generic contact > form figuring id get a call for them to politely tell me to kick rocks, > but > i got a fast fuck off, go hang out with the other poors email. (It was > actually a very polite and professional form letter) > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 1:26 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> yep >> >> *From:* Jason McKemie >> *Sent:* Friday, February 11, 2022 12:16 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans >> >> Is that liveoakbank.com? >> >> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 1:04 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> Talking to John Scrivner of Live Oak. Looks like a good bank for >>> guys like us. >>> >>> *From:* Mark Radabaugh >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 4, 2022 12:47 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans >>> >>> Tried that myself, in the end it wasn’t worth a shit. Probably >>> spent 15 years grooming a local bank.They were more than happy to >>> take >>> our deposits, give us auto and real estate loans but when it came to >>> fiber >>> it was a completely different story. >>> >>> In the end they were worthless. Ended up going with Live Oak, who >>> has been great to work with. >>> >>> Skip the local guys - they don’t understand anything that isn’t real >>> estate or vehicles. Get your books in order, do proper accrual >>> accounting, quit expensing everything, and go find a bank that knows the >>> industry. >>> >>> Stop wasting your time with the idiots. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> >>> That’s important: “was on first name basis with VP and loan >>> officer... “ >>> >>> You gotta get a local bank, stick with it and get to know them and >>> them get to know you. Makes a huge difference. >>> >>> *From:* Jaime Solorza >>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 3, 2022 5:30 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans >>> >>> When I started my company in 1992, I had some large purchase orders >>> from Johnson & Johnson plus GE Capcom which I used to receive loans from >>> bank. Had to get them signed over to bank at first but after a few >>> large >>> orders, the bank gave me a $100,000.00 credit line to get ramped >>> up...Always paid on time and never abused it...was on first name basis >>> with >>> VP and loan officer... >>> Not sure if banks are this open to help small businesses >>> anymore...can't hurt to trygood luck >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022, 3:18 PM Steve Jones >>> wrote: >>> Ive never done business loans before, just mortgage and personal. Do lenders consider contracts to be future revenue? Where is the best type of lender to look for with no business history? The local lender with the mortgages and local personal loans? National lenders? What about if 2021 deatroyed your personal credit to a fair rating, is a business loan even an option even with a contract exceeding the loan amount by 80 percent? Is the sba an actual resource to invest time into for starting something up, or is it like BBB. Aside from the loan question, when getting into underground work (laying pipe, and cablework) what expenses outside labor, insurance, maintenance(vehicle, equipment, staff lodging/per
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Not a problem, 25% vig in one month. From: Steve Jones Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 1:20 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans No, wasnt at a point yet for legitimate contact. Still am not. Hes on my list for that though. Im still hoping chuck mccown just cuts me a check. That would save so many people so much time. On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 2:10 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Did you talk to John? From: Steve Jones Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 12:55 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans Yeah,i may have burned that bridge, i filled out the generic contact form figuring id get a call for them to politely tell me to kick rocks, but i got a fast fuck off, go hang out with the other poors email. (It was actually a very polite and professional form letter) On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 1:26 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: yep From: Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 12:16 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans Is that liveoakbank.com? On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 1:04 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Talking to John Scrivner of Live Oak. Looks like a good bank for guys like us. From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 12:47 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans Tried that myself, in the end it wasn’t worth a shit. Probably spent 15 years grooming a local bank.They were more than happy to take our deposits, give us auto and real estate loans but when it came to fiber it was a completely different story. In the end they were worthless. Ended up going with Live Oak, who has been great to work with. Skip the local guys - they don’t understand anything that isn’t real estate or vehicles. Get your books in order, do proper accrual accounting, quit expensing everything, and go find a bank that knows the industry. Stop wasting your time with the idiots. Mark On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: That’s important: “was on first name basis with VP and loan officer... “ You gotta get a local bank, stick with it and get to know them and them get to know you. Makes a huge difference. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 5:30 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans When I started my company in 1992, I had some large purchase orders from Johnson & Johnson plus GE Capcom which I used to receive loans from bank. Had to get them signed over to bank at first but after a few large orders, the bank gave me a $100,000.00 credit line to get ramped up...Always paid on time and never abused it...was on first name basis with VP and loan officer... Not sure if banks are this open to help small businesses anymore...can't hurt to trygood luck On Thu, Feb 3, 2022, 3:18 PM Steve Jones wrote: Ive never done business loans before, just mortgage and personal. Do lenders consider contracts to be future revenue? Where is the best type of lender to look for with no business history? The local lender with the mortgages and local personal loans? National lenders? What about if 2021 deatroyed your personal credit to a fair rating, is a business loan even an option even with a contract exceeding the loan amount by 80 percent? Is the sba an actual resource to invest time into for starting something up, or is it like BBB. Aside from the loan question, when getting into underground work (laying pipe, and cablework) what expenses outside labor, insurance, maintenance(vehicle, equipment, staff lodging/per diem, fuel, etc), tax/workmans comp, etc do you come across? If you dont own the duct. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com
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And here you talk bad about commies all the time... On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 4:16 PM Steve Jones wrote: > nah, chuck is going to see the err of his ways, hoarding all that wealth. > I think hes gonna come around and redistribute it. > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 2:59 PM Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> Pretty sure they're going to be waiting a lng time... >> >> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 3:21 PM Steve Jones >> wrote: >> >>> No, wasnt at a point yet for legitimate contact. Still am not. Hes on my >>> list for that though. Im still hoping chuck mccown just cuts me a check. >>> That would save so many people so much time. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 2:10 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> Did you talk to John? *From:* Steve Jones *Sent:* Friday, February 11, 2022 12:55 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans Yeah,i may have burned that bridge, i filled out the generic contact form figuring id get a call for them to politely tell me to kick rocks, but i got a fast fuck off, go hang out with the other poors email. (It was actually a very polite and professional form letter) On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 1:26 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > yep > > *From:* Jason McKemie > *Sent:* Friday, February 11, 2022 12:16 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans > > Is that liveoakbank.com? > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 1:04 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> Talking to John Scrivner of Live Oak. Looks like a good bank for >> guys like us. >> >> *From:* Mark Radabaugh >> *Sent:* Friday, February 4, 2022 12:47 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans >> >> Tried that myself, in the end it wasn’t worth a shit. Probably >> spent 15 years grooming a local bank.They were more than happy to >> take >> our deposits, give us auto and real estate loans but when it came to >> fiber >> it was a completely different story. >> >> In the end they were worthless. Ended up going with Live Oak, who >> has been great to work with. >> >> Skip the local guys - they don’t understand anything that isn’t real >> estate or vehicles. Get your books in order, do proper accrual >> accounting, quit expensing everything, and go find a bank that knows the >> industry. >> >> Stop wasting your time with the idiots. >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >> That’s important: “was on first name basis with VP and loan >> officer... “ >> >> You gotta get a local bank, stick with it and get to know them and >> them get to know you. Makes a huge difference. >> >> *From:* Jaime Solorza >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 3, 2022 5:30 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans >> >> When I started my company in 1992, I had some large purchase orders >> from Johnson & Johnson plus GE Capcom which I used to receive loans from >> bank. Had to get them signed over to bank at first but after a few large >> orders, the bank gave me a $100,000.00 credit line to get ramped >> up...Always paid on time and never abused it...was on first name basis >> with >> VP and loan officer... >> Not sure if banks are this open to help small businesses >> anymore...can't hurt to trygood luck >> >> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022, 3:18 PM Steve Jones >> wrote: >> >>> Ive never done business loans before, just mortgage and personal. >>> >>> Do lenders consider contracts to be future revenue? >>> >>> Where is the best type of lender to look for with no business >>> history? The local lender with the mortgages and local personal loans? >>> National lenders? What about if 2021 deatroyed your personal credit to a >>> fair rating, is a business loan even an option even with a contract >>> exceeding the loan amount by 80 percent? >>> >>> Is the sba an actual resource to invest time into for starting >>> something up, or is it like BBB. >>> >>> >>> Aside from the loan question, when getting into underground work >>> (laying pipe, and cablework) what expenses outside labor, insurance, >>> maintenance(vehicle, equipment, staff lodging/per diem, fuel, etc), >>> tax/workmans comp, etc do you come across? If you dont own the duct. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> -- >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>
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nah, chuck is going to see the err of his ways, hoarding all that wealth. I think hes gonna come around and redistribute it. On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 2:59 PM Josh Luthman wrote: > Pretty sure they're going to be waiting a lng time... > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 3:21 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> No, wasnt at a point yet for legitimate contact. Still am not. Hes on my >> list for that though. Im still hoping chuck mccown just cuts me a check. >> That would save so many people so much time. >> >> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 2:10 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> Did you talk to John? >>> >>> *From:* Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 11, 2022 12:55 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans >>> >>> Yeah,i may have burned that bridge, i filled out the generic contact >>> form figuring id get a call for them to politely tell me to kick rocks, but >>> i got a fast fuck off, go hang out with the other poors email. (It was >>> actually a very polite and professional form letter) >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 1:26 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> yep *From:* Jason McKemie *Sent:* Friday, February 11, 2022 12:16 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans Is that liveoakbank.com? On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 1:04 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Talking to John Scrivner of Live Oak. Looks like a good bank for guys > like us. > > *From:* Mark Radabaugh > *Sent:* Friday, February 4, 2022 12:47 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans > > Tried that myself, in the end it wasn’t worth a shit. Probably > spent 15 years grooming a local bank.They were more than happy to take > our deposits, give us auto and real estate loans but when it came to fiber > it was a completely different story. > > In the end they were worthless. Ended up going with Live Oak, who > has been great to work with. > > Skip the local guys - they don’t understand anything that isn’t real > estate or vehicles. Get your books in order, do proper accrual > accounting, quit expensing everything, and go find a bank that knows the > industry. > > Stop wasting your time with the idiots. > > Mark > > > > On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > > That’s important: “was on first name basis with VP and loan officer... > “ > > You gotta get a local bank, stick with it and get to know them and > them get to know you. Makes a huge difference. > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Thursday, February 3, 2022 5:30 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans > > When I started my company in 1992, I had some large purchase orders > from Johnson & Johnson plus GE Capcom which I used to receive loans from > bank. Had to get them signed over to bank at first but after a few large > orders, the bank gave me a $100,000.00 credit line to get ramped > up...Always paid on time and never abused it...was on first name basis > with > VP and loan officer... > Not sure if banks are this open to help small businesses > anymore...can't hurt to trygood luck > > On Thu, Feb 3, 2022, 3:18 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> Ive never done business loans before, just mortgage and personal. >> >> Do lenders consider contracts to be future revenue? >> >> Where is the best type of lender to look for with no business >> history? The local lender with the mortgages and local personal loans? >> National lenders? What about if 2021 deatroyed your personal credit to a >> fair rating, is a business loan even an option even with a contract >> exceeding the loan amount by 80 percent? >> >> Is the sba an actual resource to invest time into for starting >> something up, or is it like BBB. >> >> >> Aside from the loan question, when getting into underground work >> (laying pipe, and cablework) what expenses outside labor, insurance, >> maintenance(vehicle, equipment, staff lodging/per diem, fuel, etc), >> tax/workmans comp, etc do you come across? If you dont own the duct. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com >
Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans
Pretty sure they're going to be waiting a lng time... On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 3:21 PM Steve Jones wrote: > No, wasnt at a point yet for legitimate contact. Still am not. Hes on my > list for that though. Im still hoping chuck mccown just cuts me a check. > That would save so many people so much time. > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 2:10 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > >> Did you talk to John? >> >> *From:* Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Friday, February 11, 2022 12:55 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans >> >> Yeah,i may have burned that bridge, i filled out the generic contact form >> figuring id get a call for them to politely tell me to kick rocks, but i >> got a fast fuck off, go hang out with the other poors email. (It was >> actually a very polite and professional form letter) >> >> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 1:26 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> yep >>> >>> *From:* Jason McKemie >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 11, 2022 12:16 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans >>> >>> Is that liveoakbank.com? >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 1:04 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> Talking to John Scrivner of Live Oak. Looks like a good bank for guys like us. *From:* Mark Radabaugh *Sent:* Friday, February 4, 2022 12:47 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans Tried that myself, in the end it wasn’t worth a shit. Probably spent 15 years grooming a local bank.They were more than happy to take our deposits, give us auto and real estate loans but when it came to fiber it was a completely different story. In the end they were worthless. Ended up going with Live Oak, who has been great to work with. Skip the local guys - they don’t understand anything that isn’t real estate or vehicles. Get your books in order, do proper accrual accounting, quit expensing everything, and go find a bank that knows the industry. Stop wasting your time with the idiots. Mark On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: That’s important: “was on first name basis with VP and loan officer... “ You gotta get a local bank, stick with it and get to know them and them get to know you. Makes a huge difference. *From:* Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Thursday, February 3, 2022 5:30 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans When I started my company in 1992, I had some large purchase orders from Johnson & Johnson plus GE Capcom which I used to receive loans from bank. Had to get them signed over to bank at first but after a few large orders, the bank gave me a $100,000.00 credit line to get ramped up...Always paid on time and never abused it...was on first name basis with VP and loan officer... Not sure if banks are this open to help small businesses anymore...can't hurt to trygood luck On Thu, Feb 3, 2022, 3:18 PM Steve Jones wrote: > Ive never done business loans before, just mortgage and personal. > > Do lenders consider contracts to be future revenue? > > Where is the best type of lender to look for with no business history? > The local lender with the mortgages and local personal loans? National > lenders? What about if 2021 deatroyed your personal credit to a fair > rating, is a business loan even an option even with a contract exceeding > the loan amount by 80 percent? > > Is the sba an actual resource to invest time into for starting > something up, or is it like BBB. > > > Aside from the loan question, when getting into underground work > (laying pipe, and cablework) what expenses outside labor, insurance, > maintenance(vehicle, equipment, staff lodging/per diem, fuel, etc), > tax/workmans comp, etc do you come across? If you dont own the duct. > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>
Re: [AFMUG] sms forwarding
Get a number with Twilio - a 10 digit is really cheap and a 5? digit is stupid expensive. On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 7:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > OK, let’s say our C.O. got hit by lightening or the CO entrance cables > were cut or something else that is the worst case scenario. > > Our customers need a number to call or text. I don’t want to answer it. > > But I do want them to get a reply that we have received the message and > are working on it. > > And I do want somebody, something to escalate it if tier 1 does not answer > etc. And I don’t want to manage any of that. > > *From:* Brian Webster > *Sent:* Thursday, February 10, 2022 5:38 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Cc:* 'Chuck McCown' > *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] sms forwarding > > > Get yourself a Google Voice number. It does SMS like a cell phone as well > as mms. You can use it from a web browser and text from an actual keyboard. > You can register other numbers to forward to, and a lot of other features > such as forward based on the day and hours. > > > > Thank you, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > via AF > *Sent:* Thursday, February 10, 2022 6:48 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] sms forwarding > > > > But even in the middle of the night, when our phones are working and go to > VM, be nice for the customers to have a catastrophic end-of-the-world > emergency number that does not depend on our network to call that would > either answer live and take a message or be able to receive a text. In > both cases, then texts would be sent to us and escalated if we don’t > reply. > > > > *From:* TJ Trout > > *Sent:* Thursday, February 10, 2022 4:37 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] sms forwarding > > > > your voip provider should be able to forward if your network is down, > someone like callcentric can forward when your ATA isn't registered, and > they offer sms messaging also > > > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 3:25 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > > Today, while doing some power wiring in the C.O. we shorted the battery > and blew the battery disconnect circuit breaker. > > They guy doing it did not know that circuit breaker was behind a panel in > the rectifier shelf. If you didn’t know how to open the fancy door that > looks like a rectifier module you would have never found it. Took me a few > minutes to remember there were circuit breakers in there. > > > > So everything was down for some time. Customers wanted to know how to > contact us in the event our office phones were down (which they were). > > > > I would like to have a number they could text that would then forward that > text to all of us that are involved in tech support. I googled sms > forwarding but am not really seeing what I am looking for. > > > > Ideas? > > An old fashioned call answering service would be nice if they still > exist. Lots of younger folks prefer texting though. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans
No, wasnt at a point yet for legitimate contact. Still am not. Hes on my list for that though. Im still hoping chuck mccown just cuts me a check. That would save so many people so much time. On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 2:10 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Did you talk to John? > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Friday, February 11, 2022 12:55 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans > > Yeah,i may have burned that bridge, i filled out the generic contact form > figuring id get a call for them to politely tell me to kick rocks, but i > got a fast fuck off, go hang out with the other poors email. (It was > actually a very polite and professional form letter) > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 1:26 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > >> yep >> >> *From:* Jason McKemie >> *Sent:* Friday, February 11, 2022 12:16 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans >> >> Is that liveoakbank.com? >> >> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 1:04 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> Talking to John Scrivner of Live Oak. Looks like a good bank for guys >>> like us. >>> >>> *From:* Mark Radabaugh >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 4, 2022 12:47 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans >>> >>> Tried that myself, in the end it wasn’t worth a shit. Probably spent >>> 15 years grooming a local bank.They were more than happy to take our >>> deposits, give us auto and real estate loans but when it came to fiber it >>> was a completely different story. >>> >>> In the end they were worthless. Ended up going with Live Oak, who has >>> been great to work with. >>> >>> Skip the local guys - they don’t understand anything that isn’t real >>> estate or vehicles. Get your books in order, do proper accrual >>> accounting, quit expensing everything, and go find a bank that knows the >>> industry. >>> >>> Stop wasting your time with the idiots. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >>> >>> That’s important: “was on first name basis with VP and loan officer... “ >>> >>> You gotta get a local bank, stick with it and get to know them and them >>> get to know you. Makes a huge difference. >>> >>> *From:* Jaime Solorza >>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 3, 2022 5:30 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans >>> >>> When I started my company in 1992, I had some large purchase orders from >>> Johnson & Johnson plus GE Capcom which I used to receive loans from bank. >>> Had to get them signed over to bank at first but after a few large orders, >>> the bank gave me a $100,000.00 credit line to get ramped up...Always paid >>> on time and never abused it...was on first name basis with VP and loan >>> officer... >>> Not sure if banks are this open to help small businesses anymore...can't >>> hurt to trygood luck >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022, 3:18 PM Steve Jones >>> wrote: >>> Ive never done business loans before, just mortgage and personal. Do lenders consider contracts to be future revenue? Where is the best type of lender to look for with no business history? The local lender with the mortgages and local personal loans? National lenders? What about if 2021 deatroyed your personal credit to a fair rating, is a business loan even an option even with a contract exceeding the loan amount by 80 percent? Is the sba an actual resource to invest time into for starting something up, or is it like BBB. Aside from the loan question, when getting into underground work (laying pipe, and cablework) what expenses outside labor, insurance, maintenance(vehicle, equipment, staff lodging/per diem, fuel, etc), tax/workmans comp, etc do you come across? If you dont own the duct. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF
Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans
Did you talk to John? From: Steve Jones Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 12:55 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans Yeah,i may have burned that bridge, i filled out the generic contact form figuring id get a call for them to politely tell me to kick rocks, but i got a fast fuck off, go hang out with the other poors email. (It was actually a very polite and professional form letter) On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 1:26 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: yep From: Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 12:16 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans Is that liveoakbank.com? On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 1:04 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Talking to John Scrivner of Live Oak. Looks like a good bank for guys like us. From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 12:47 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans Tried that myself, in the end it wasn’t worth a shit. Probably spent 15 years grooming a local bank.They were more than happy to take our deposits, give us auto and real estate loans but when it came to fiber it was a completely different story. In the end they were worthless. Ended up going with Live Oak, who has been great to work with. Skip the local guys - they don’t understand anything that isn’t real estate or vehicles. Get your books in order, do proper accrual accounting, quit expensing everything, and go find a bank that knows the industry. Stop wasting your time with the idiots. Mark On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: That’s important: “was on first name basis with VP and loan officer... “ You gotta get a local bank, stick with it and get to know them and them get to know you. Makes a huge difference. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 5:30 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans When I started my company in 1992, I had some large purchase orders from Johnson & Johnson plus GE Capcom which I used to receive loans from bank. Had to get them signed over to bank at first but after a few large orders, the bank gave me a $100,000.00 credit line to get ramped up...Always paid on time and never abused it...was on first name basis with VP and loan officer... Not sure if banks are this open to help small businesses anymore...can't hurt to trygood luck On Thu, Feb 3, 2022, 3:18 PM Steve Jones wrote: Ive never done business loans before, just mortgage and personal. Do lenders consider contracts to be future revenue? Where is the best type of lender to look for with no business history? The local lender with the mortgages and local personal loans? National lenders? What about if 2021 deatroyed your personal credit to a fair rating, is a business loan even an option even with a contract exceeding the loan amount by 80 percent? Is the sba an actual resource to invest time into for starting something up, or is it like BBB. Aside from the loan question, when getting into underground work (laying pipe, and cablework) what expenses outside labor, insurance, maintenance(vehicle, equipment, staff lodging/per diem, fuel, etc), tax/workmans comp, etc do you come across? If you dont own the duct. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Equipment
We put up some mikrotik to test range limits, only ever ran 2 so never was really ptmp. Interface was clunky,as is mikrotik, but i bet with the customization option in them it could be a contender. I cant really speak of performance, we were testing fring range and it performed as expected per the rf maths On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 12:50 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Let me check with Mike Scott from Webatron...they are deploying Siklu ptmp > for the Tigua Indian Reservation.. > > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 11:44 AM Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > >> I guess I should have specified ptmp, but it is good to know their >> equipment works well. Thanks. >> >> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 12:36 PM Jaime Solorza >> wrote: >> >>> I installed about 50 links using the Siklus for Boingo Wireless at Fort >>> Bliss years ago...I like their mounting hardware much more than Ubiquiti's >>> or Bridgewave's...never worked on Cambium 60Ghz stuff.. >>> The Siklus worked great.. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 11:29 AM Jason McKemie < >>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>> I'm looking to deploy this for a short-range downtown network from a multi-story building, does anyone have any recommended equipment vendors in this band? It looks like Cambium, Siklu, and Ignitenet have offerings, but I'm not sure what differentiates them. Thank you. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans
Yeah,i may have burned that bridge, i filled out the generic contact form figuring id get a call for them to politely tell me to kick rocks, but i got a fast fuck off, go hang out with the other poors email. (It was actually a very polite and professional form letter) On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 1:26 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > yep > > *From:* Jason McKemie > *Sent:* Friday, February 11, 2022 12:16 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans > > Is that liveoakbank.com? > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 1:04 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> Talking to John Scrivner of Live Oak. Looks like a good bank for guys >> like us. >> >> *From:* Mark Radabaugh >> *Sent:* Friday, February 4, 2022 12:47 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans >> >> Tried that myself, in the end it wasn’t worth a shit. Probably spent >> 15 years grooming a local bank.They were more than happy to take our >> deposits, give us auto and real estate loans but when it came to fiber it >> was a completely different story. >> >> In the end they were worthless. Ended up going with Live Oak, who has >> been great to work with. >> >> Skip the local guys - they don’t understand anything that isn’t real >> estate or vehicles. Get your books in order, do proper accrual >> accounting, quit expensing everything, and go find a bank that knows the >> industry. >> >> Stop wasting your time with the idiots. >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >> >> That’s important: “was on first name basis with VP and loan officer... “ >> >> You gotta get a local bank, stick with it and get to know them and them >> get to know you. Makes a huge difference. >> >> *From:* Jaime Solorza >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 3, 2022 5:30 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans >> >> When I started my company in 1992, I had some large purchase orders from >> Johnson & Johnson plus GE Capcom which I used to receive loans from bank. >> Had to get them signed over to bank at first but after a few large orders, >> the bank gave me a $100,000.00 credit line to get ramped up...Always paid >> on time and never abused it...was on first name basis with VP and loan >> officer... >> Not sure if banks are this open to help small businesses anymore...can't >> hurt to trygood luck >> >> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022, 3:18 PM Steve Jones >> wrote: >> >>> Ive never done business loans before, just mortgage and personal. >>> >>> Do lenders consider contracts to be future revenue? >>> >>> Where is the best type of lender to look for with no business history? >>> The local lender with the mortgages and local personal loans? National >>> lenders? What about if 2021 deatroyed your personal credit to a fair >>> rating, is a business loan even an option even with a contract exceeding >>> the loan amount by 80 percent? >>> >>> Is the sba an actual resource to invest time into for starting something >>> up, or is it like BBB. >>> >>> >>> Aside from the loan question, when getting into underground work (laying >>> pipe, and cablework) what expenses outside labor, insurance, >>> maintenance(vehicle, equipment, staff lodging/per diem, fuel, etc), >>> tax/workmans comp, etc do you come across? If you dont own the duct. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> -- >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> -- >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Equipment
That would be helpful, thanks again! On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 12:50 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Let me check with Mike Scott from Webatron...they are deploying Siklu ptmp > for the Tigua Indian Reservation.. > > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 11:44 AM Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > >> I guess I should have specified ptmp, but it is good to know their >> equipment works well. Thanks. >> >> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 12:36 PM Jaime Solorza >> wrote: >> >>> I installed about 50 links using the Siklus for Boingo Wireless at Fort >>> Bliss years ago...I like their mounting hardware much more than Ubiquiti's >>> or Bridgewave's...never worked on Cambium 60Ghz stuff.. >>> The Siklus worked great.. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 11:29 AM Jason McKemie < >>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>> I'm looking to deploy this for a short-range downtown network from a multi-story building, does anyone have any recommended equipment vendors in this band? It looks like Cambium, Siklu, and Ignitenet have offerings, but I'm not sure what differentiates them. Thank you. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans
yep From: Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 12:16 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans Is that liveoakbank.com? On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 1:04 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Talking to John Scrivner of Live Oak. Looks like a good bank for guys like us. From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 12:47 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans Tried that myself, in the end it wasn’t worth a shit. Probably spent 15 years grooming a local bank.They were more than happy to take our deposits, give us auto and real estate loans but when it came to fiber it was a completely different story. In the end they were worthless. Ended up going with Live Oak, who has been great to work with. Skip the local guys - they don’t understand anything that isn’t real estate or vehicles. Get your books in order, do proper accrual accounting, quit expensing everything, and go find a bank that knows the industry. Stop wasting your time with the idiots. Mark On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: That’s important: “was on first name basis with VP and loan officer... “ You gotta get a local bank, stick with it and get to know them and them get to know you. Makes a huge difference. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 5:30 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans When I started my company in 1992, I had some large purchase orders from Johnson & Johnson plus GE Capcom which I used to receive loans from bank. Had to get them signed over to bank at first but after a few large orders, the bank gave me a $100,000.00 credit line to get ramped up...Always paid on time and never abused it...was on first name basis with VP and loan officer... Not sure if banks are this open to help small businesses anymore...can't hurt to trygood luck On Thu, Feb 3, 2022, 3:18 PM Steve Jones wrote: Ive never done business loans before, just mortgage and personal. Do lenders consider contracts to be future revenue? Where is the best type of lender to look for with no business history? The local lender with the mortgages and local personal loans? National lenders? What about if 2021 deatroyed your personal credit to a fair rating, is a business loan even an option even with a contract exceeding the loan amount by 80 percent? Is the sba an actual resource to invest time into for starting something up, or is it like BBB. Aside from the loan question, when getting into underground work (laying pipe, and cablework) what expenses outside labor, insurance, maintenance(vehicle, equipment, staff lodging/per diem, fuel, etc), tax/workmans comp, etc do you come across? If you dont own the duct. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans
Is that liveoakbank.com? On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 1:04 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Talking to John Scrivner of Live Oak. Looks like a good bank for guys > like us. > > *From:* Mark Radabaugh > *Sent:* Friday, February 4, 2022 12:47 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans > > Tried that myself, in the end it wasn’t worth a shit. Probably spent > 15 years grooming a local bank.They were more than happy to take our > deposits, give us auto and real estate loans but when it came to fiber it > was a completely different story. > > In the end they were worthless. Ended up going with Live Oak, who has > been great to work with. > > Skip the local guys - they don’t understand anything that isn’t real > estate or vehicles. Get your books in order, do proper accrual > accounting, quit expensing everything, and go find a bank that knows the > industry. > > Stop wasting your time with the idiots. > > Mark > > > > On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > That’s important: “was on first name basis with VP and loan officer... “ > > You gotta get a local bank, stick with it and get to know them and them > get to know you. Makes a huge difference. > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Thursday, February 3, 2022 5:30 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans > > When I started my company in 1992, I had some large purchase orders from > Johnson & Johnson plus GE Capcom which I used to receive loans from bank. > Had to get them signed over to bank at first but after a few large orders, > the bank gave me a $100,000.00 credit line to get ramped up...Always paid > on time and never abused it...was on first name basis with VP and loan > officer... > Not sure if banks are this open to help small businesses anymore...can't > hurt to trygood luck > > On Thu, Feb 3, 2022, 3:18 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> Ive never done business loans before, just mortgage and personal. >> >> Do lenders consider contracts to be future revenue? >> >> Where is the best type of lender to look for with no business history? >> The local lender with the mortgages and local personal loans? National >> lenders? What about if 2021 deatroyed your personal credit to a fair >> rating, is a business loan even an option even with a contract exceeding >> the loan amount by 80 percent? >> >> Is the sba an actual resource to invest time into for starting something >> up, or is it like BBB. >> >> >> Aside from the loan question, when getting into underground work (laying >> pipe, and cablework) what expenses outside labor, insurance, >> maintenance(vehicle, equipment, staff lodging/per diem, fuel, etc), >> tax/workmans comp, etc do you come across? If you dont own the duct. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans
Talking to John Scrivner of Live Oak. Looks like a good bank for guys like us. From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 12:47 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans Tried that myself, in the end it wasn’t worth a shit. Probably spent 15 years grooming a local bank.They were more than happy to take our deposits, give us auto and real estate loans but when it came to fiber it was a completely different story. In the end they were worthless. Ended up going with Live Oak, who has been great to work with. Skip the local guys - they don’t understand anything that isn’t real estate or vehicles. Get your books in order, do proper accrual accounting, quit expensing everything, and go find a bank that knows the industry. Stop wasting your time with the idiots. Mark On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: That’s important: “was on first name basis with VP and loan officer... “ You gotta get a local bank, stick with it and get to know them and them get to know you. Makes a huge difference. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 5:30 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ot: business loans When I started my company in 1992, I had some large purchase orders from Johnson & Johnson plus GE Capcom which I used to receive loans from bank. Had to get them signed over to bank at first but after a few large orders, the bank gave me a $100,000.00 credit line to get ramped up...Always paid on time and never abused it...was on first name basis with VP and loan officer... Not sure if banks are this open to help small businesses anymore...can't hurt to trygood luck On Thu, Feb 3, 2022, 3:18 PM Steve Jones wrote: Ive never done business loans before, just mortgage and personal. Do lenders consider contracts to be future revenue? Where is the best type of lender to look for with no business history? The local lender with the mortgages and local personal loans? National lenders? What about if 2021 deatroyed your personal credit to a fair rating, is a business loan even an option even with a contract exceeding the loan amount by 80 percent? Is the sba an actual resource to invest time into for starting something up, or is it like BBB. Aside from the loan question, when getting into underground work (laying pipe, and cablework) what expenses outside labor, insurance, maintenance(vehicle, equipment, staff lodging/per diem, fuel, etc), tax/workmans comp, etc do you come across? If you dont own the duct. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** OT Math anyone
Capacitor charge/discharge curves. Exponential responses. From: Robert Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 11:46 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** OT Math anyone Covid relationship to signal waveforms? On 2/11/22 8:34 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Equipment
Let me check with Mike Scott from Webatron...they are deploying Siklu ptmp for the Tigua Indian Reservation.. On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 11:44 AM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > I guess I should have specified ptmp, but it is good to know their > equipment works well. Thanks. > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 12:36 PM Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >> I installed about 50 links using the Siklus for Boingo Wireless at Fort >> Bliss years ago...I like their mounting hardware much more than Ubiquiti's >> or Bridgewave's...never worked on Cambium 60Ghz stuff.. >> The Siklus worked great.. >> >> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 11:29 AM Jason McKemie < >> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >> >>> I'm looking to deploy this for a short-range downtown network from a >>> multi-story building, does anyone have any recommended equipment vendors in >>> this band? It looks like Cambium, Siklu, and Ignitenet have offerings, but >>> I'm not sure what differentiates them. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** OT Math anyone
Covid relationship to signal waveforms? On 2/11/22 8:34 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: image image -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Equipment
I guess I should have specified ptmp, but it is good to know their equipment works well. Thanks. On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 12:36 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > I installed about 50 links using the Siklus for Boingo Wireless at Fort > Bliss years ago...I like their mounting hardware much more than Ubiquiti's > or Bridgewave's...never worked on Cambium 60Ghz stuff.. > The Siklus worked great.. > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 11:29 AM Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > >> I'm looking to deploy this for a short-range downtown network from a >> multi-story building, does anyone have any recommended equipment vendors in >> this band? It looks like Cambium, Siklu, and Ignitenet have offerings, but >> I'm not sure what differentiates them. >> >> Thank you. >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Equipment
I installed about 50 links using the Siklus for Boingo Wireless at Fort Bliss years ago...I like their mounting hardware much more than Ubiquiti's or Bridgewave's...never worked on Cambium 60Ghz stuff.. The Siklus worked great.. On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 11:29 AM Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > I'm looking to deploy this for a short-range downtown network from a > multi-story building, does anyone have any recommended equipment vendors in > this band? It looks like Cambium, Siklu, and Ignitenet have offerings, but > I'm not sure what differentiates them. > > Thank you. > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Federal funding totals
It’s variable depending on circumstances. NY DOT sucks…..I mean they’re very competent they just have a lot of process to deal with and I don’t like it. Rural municipal DPW or road departments have been the best for me by far. Some of them don’t even have a permit process. one town highway guy literally told me “do what you want, just don’t hit our pipes”. Bigger cities can sometimes have frustrating rules. Everytime they pave the street in Binghamton, NY they have a 5 year moratorium on cutting the pavement. You can dig to respond to an emergency, but you will literally not be able to install a handhole for 5 years after they pave. Ithaca, NY doesn’t want anybody to build anything for any reason at all…..or so it seems sometimes. Counties were usually a simple one page application, but they can vary too. Worst ever was a wireless install on a pole in NY DOT right of way. The State of NY has a contract with Crown Castle to manage all wireless infrastructure on state property so you have all the state requirements PLUS you have to pay Crown Castle for engineering. Oh I damn near forgot about the railroad crossings. Getting permission takes $75,000+ and probably 6 months to a year. So yeah it *can* be a huge hurdle, but maybe the answer is just don’t build in places where they make it hard for you. From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 3:45 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Federal funding totals you know, #1 is always what I figured would be the greatest hurdle. I figured it was costly and full of constand bureaucratic nonsense. Its what stopped me over the years from even considering spending much time looking into underground for my employer to self build or for me to do stuff. Its only been in this last year I started dealing with it and realizing its not that big of a deal, especially in podunk illinois. It really depends on how personable you can be with the commissioners and in small areas without state mother may Is, its not a bribe if nobody knows where he got whatever it is he likes On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 2:33 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: 1)Go to the city, county or DOT and get a permit. Cheap and easy. I do it all the time. Many times there are PUEs that you don’t need to even ask before you bury. I get private easements all the time for the price of a stamp and recording. Did 3 yesterday. 2)Graybar, Codale, Millenium, Ebay. Roll it, they will load it into the back of your truck. You can build a cheap saw horse based reel holder. 3)If you are a wisp or know a wisp you can get bandwidth. 4)You cut the sod, fold it over, trench, backfill and fold the sod back. Or go to HD and buy seed. 5)1/2” steel water pipe, garden hose on one end. Dig a start hole. Turn on water. Start working the pipe under. Helps if you have a nozzle on the end. Or spend a few dollars for a missile. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 1:04 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Federal funding totals How are you getting your permits? How are you getting a spool of fiber? How are you moving it? You need bandwidth, how low can you possibly get that per month? If you're using a trencher, where are you getting the seed to fix the damage? How are you getting under a driveway? On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 2:50 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: Not true at all. With a $1000 trencher, shovel and able body you are up and running. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 12:27 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Federal funding totals Seriously, if you can't afford a trip to the show you simply can't afford a fiber project. That's my opinion. On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 2:18 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: im trying to fund buying out a small underground construction outfit. I can barely afford to eat, let alone pay entry into WISPAmerica and the associated bail when the WISP degenerates get me drinking On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 12:34 PM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: Go to WISPAmerica 2022 in NOLA. Broadband Billions on Monday. 10s of billions maybe a few 100 billion in just the last couple of years. On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 12:31 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: CAF, RDOF, State level, COVID, etc Is there a compiled list of all the funding for connectivity is out there? Im just looking for the numbers, not for funding. I'm curious how much has been dispersed in the last decade, how much is pending dispersal, how much is pending allocation and how much is pending legislation. Its got to be readily available info somewhere compiled -- AF mailing list
[AFMUG] 60GHz Equipment
I'm looking to deploy this for a short-range downtown network from a multi-story building, does anyone have any recommended equipment vendors in this band? It looks like Cambium, Siklu, and Ignitenet have offerings, but I'm not sure what differentiates them. Thank you. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Federal funding totals
I just realized wispamerica starts march 14. The aquisition decision deadline is march 15. So even if i were iclined to blow a couple grand on it, it would be moot On Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 12:34 PM Josh Luthman wrote: > Go to WISPAmerica 2022 in NOLA. Broadband Billions on Monday. > > 10s of billions maybe a few 100 billion in just the last couple of years. > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 12:31 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> CAF, RDOF, State level, COVID, etc >> >> Is there a compiled list of all the funding for connectivity is out >> there? Im just looking for the numbers, not for funding. >> I'm curious how much has been dispersed in the last decade, how much is >> pending dispersal, how much is pending allocation and how much is pending >> legislation. Its got to be readily available info somewhere compiled >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fashion Statement
Socks are defineltly a thing now and apparently holes too. They would wear two different pant legs if they could. At least that whole backward clothes thing never really caught on On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 10:02 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > When my kids were young and in school, I think mismatched shoes were a > thing. > > -Original Message- > From: Bill Prince > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 8:39 AM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fashion Statement > > I mess up my socks all the time because I am color-challenged. I also > make fashion choices that are, um, inappropriate for color-normal > people. I know I've messed up when my SO points to the bedroom and > informs me to change my shirt or pants, or coat or whatever before I go > out in public. > > > bp > > > On 2/10/2022 6:54 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > > So no one noticed or maybe too polite to say anything... > > I even climbed a 40 ft. tower today... > > Oh well... > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** OT Math anyone
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review
wife popped a zanax halfway through the movie. i've got gravity on the DVR.
Trying to talk her into it lol
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From: Chuck McCown via AF
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review
But if the Newtonian physics sucks I probably cannot enjoy it much. Like
Gravity.
From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 8:27 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review
It was kind of like Independence Day meets "2012"in a silly sort of way.
Good action / good effects tho.
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Critics have been brutal with Moonfall. Even less kind to Bruce Willis.
The high temp here today was something in the high 70s (77 I think).
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On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 8:17 PM CBB - Jay Fuller
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Wife and I saw Moon Fall / Moon Shot / Moon whatever tonight.
Quite the wild ride. Throw science out the window. You won't need it.
A fun ride.
Will see the Death on the Nile movie Sunday when the temp falls back into
the
you-don't-wanna-be-outside-teens.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fashion Statement
When my kids were young and in school, I think mismatched shoes were a thing. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 8:39 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fashion Statement I mess up my socks all the time because I am color-challenged. I also make fashion choices that are, um, inappropriate for color-normal people. I know I've messed up when my SO points to the bedroom and informs me to change my shirt or pants, or coat or whatever before I go out in public. bp On 2/10/2022 6:54 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: So no one noticed or maybe too polite to say anything... I even climbed a 40 ft. tower today... Oh well... -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review
But if the Newtonian physics sucks I probably cannot enjoy it much. Like
Gravity.
From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 8:27 AM
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It was kind of like Independence Day meets "2012"in a silly sort of way.
Good action / good effects tho.
- Original Message -
From: Bill Prince
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review
Critics have been brutal with Moonfall. Even less kind to Bruce Willis.
The high temp here today was something in the high 70s (77 I think).
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On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 8:17 PM CBB - Jay Fuller
wrote:
Wife and I saw Moon Fall / Moon Shot / Moon whatever tonight.
Quite the wild ride. Throw science out the window. You won't need it.
A fun ride.
Will see the Death on the Nile movie Sunday when the temp falls back into
the
you-don't-wanna-be-outside-teens.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fashion Statement
I mess up my socks all the time because I am color-challenged. I also make fashion choices that are, um, inappropriate for color-normal people. I know I've messed up when my SO points to the bedroom and informs me to change my shirt or pants, or coat or whatever before I go out in public. bp On 2/10/2022 6:54 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: So no one noticed or maybe too polite to say anything... I even climbed a 40 ft. tower today... Oh well... -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review
It was kind of like Independence Day meets "2012"in a silly sort of way.
Good action / good effects tho.
- Original Message -
From: Bill Prince
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review
Critics have been brutal with Moonfall. Even less kind to Bruce Willis.
The high temp here today was something in the high 70s (77 I think).
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On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 8:17 PM CBB - Jay Fuller
wrote:
Wife and I saw Moon Fall / Moon Shot / Moon whatever tonight.
Quite the wild ride. Throw science out the window. You won't need it.
A fun ride.
Will see the Death on the Nile movie Sunday when the temp falls back into
the
you-don't-wanna-be-outside-teens.
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Re: [AFMUG] sms forwarding
Twilio is a good option if you don't mind paying, although I'm not sure how it would handle the non-response/escalation requirement. That would have to be managed by a program somewhere else. You pay for every call, message, etc and you do need some minor development skills to make it do what you want. YAs Forrest says, people do build whole call centers out of it, but that would get complex and pricey. They also have a unified product called flex that is very feature rich, but also a bit expensive. For less than you are paying twilio to do all that, you could easily spin up a VM at any hosting provider with free PBX, add a trunk line, and configure some scripts to manage the response time/escalation. I also like and use Google Voice and think it might be able to do 90% of what you need. I have used both Twilio and use Google Voice as well. I know you don't care much for the big billing platforms out there, but many have some great communication features now. For instance, Visp now has a messaging center that works through SMS, FB, What's App, and is adding more. It can handles incoming messages from customers and auto reply, open a ticket, chat with sales or support, etc. The SMS part works through Twilio. I'm sure Sonar and Powercode, etc will have something similar if they don't already. Lot's of options, but most require time or money or both. On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 7:25 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > I am going to check it out. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 11, 2022, at 4:51 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) < > li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > > > A bit more detail. > > If you need more flexibility than Google voice, Twilio is a provider which > has a whole crap ton of products dealing with telephony. > > More importantly for your situation they permit one to build a serverless > application to handle your incoming calls and SMS. So you can say "when > you receive a SMS, forward it onto these 6 cell phones and 4 email > addresses" > > The functionality is so complete that people build entire call centers > including hold queues, time on hold estimates, round Robin queues and so > on. > > The erector set comment I made refers to the fact that they give you the > tools, and docs and expect you to put them together to do what you want. > In your case, I'd expect twiML being "hosted" in twiML bins might have > enough functionality. > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 6:35 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) < > li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > >> Twilio will do exactly what you need. The gotcha is that it is a bit of >> an erector set. >> >> On Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 4:25 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> Today, while doing some power wiring in the C.O. we shorted the battery >>> and blew the battery disconnect circuit breaker. >>> They guy doing it did not know that circuit breaker was behind a panel >>> in the rectifier shelf. If you didn’t know how to open the fancy door that >>> looks like a rectifier module you would have never found it. Took me a few >>> minutes to remember there were circuit breakers in there. >>> >>> So everything was down for some time. Customers wanted to know how to >>> contact us in the event our office phones were down (which they were). >>> >>> I would like to have a number they could text that would then forward >>> that text to all of us that are involved in tech support. I googled sms >>> forwarding but am not really seeing what I am looking for. >>> >>> Ideas? >>> An old fashioned call answering service would be nice if they still >>> exist. Lots of younger folks prefer texting though. >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] sms forwarding
I am going to check it out. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2022, at 4:51 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) > wrote: > > > A bit more detail. > > If you need more flexibility than Google voice, Twilio is a provider which > has a whole crap ton of products dealing with telephony. > > More importantly for your situation they permit one to build a serverless > application to handle your incoming calls and SMS. So you can say "when you > receive a SMS, forward it onto these 6 cell phones and 4 email addresses" > > The functionality is so complete that people build entire call centers > including hold queues, time on hold estimates, round Robin queues and so on. > > The erector set comment I made refers to the fact that they give you the > tools, and docs and expect you to put them together to do what you want. > In your case, I'd expect twiML being "hosted" in twiML bins might have > enough functionality. > >> On Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 6:35 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) >> wrote: >> Twilio will do exactly what you need. The gotcha is that it is a bit of an >> erector set. >> >>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 4:25 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >>> Today, while doing some power wiring in the C.O. we shorted the battery and >>> blew the battery disconnect circuit breaker. >>> They guy doing it did not know that circuit breaker was behind a panel in >>> the rectifier shelf. If you didn’t know how to open the fancy door that >>> looks like a rectifier module you would have never found it. Took me a few >>> minutes to remember there were circuit breakers in there. >>> >>> So everything was down for some time. Customers wanted to know how to >>> contact us in the event our office phones were down (which they were). >>> >>> I would like to have a number they could text that would then forward that >>> text to all of us that are involved in tech support. I googled sms >>> forwarding but am not really seeing what I am looking for. >>> >>> Ideas? >>> An old fashioned call answering service would be nice if they still exist. >>> Lots of younger folks prefer texting though. >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] sms forwarding
A bit more detail. If you need more flexibility than Google voice, Twilio is a provider which has a whole crap ton of products dealing with telephony. More importantly for your situation they permit one to build a serverless application to handle your incoming calls and SMS. So you can say "when you receive a SMS, forward it onto these 6 cell phones and 4 email addresses" The functionality is so complete that people build entire call centers including hold queues, time on hold estimates, round Robin queues and so on. The erector set comment I made refers to the fact that they give you the tools, and docs and expect you to put them together to do what you want. In your case, I'd expect twiML being "hosted" in twiML bins might have enough functionality. On Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 6:35 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) < li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > Twilio will do exactly what you need. The gotcha is that it is a bit of > an erector set. > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 4:25 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > >> Today, while doing some power wiring in the C.O. we shorted the battery >> and blew the battery disconnect circuit breaker. >> They guy doing it did not know that circuit breaker was behind a panel in >> the rectifier shelf. If you didn’t know how to open the fancy door that >> looks like a rectifier module you would have never found it. Took me a few >> minutes to remember there were circuit breakers in there. >> >> So everything was down for some time. Customers wanted to know how to >> contact us in the event our office phones were down (which they were). >> >> I would like to have a number they could text that would then forward >> that text to all of us that are involved in tech support. I googled sms >> forwarding but am not really seeing what I am looking for. >> >> Ideas? >> An old fashioned call answering service would be nice if they still >> exist. Lots of younger folks prefer texting though. >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fashion Statement
some kind of cognitive disconnect? Don't feel bad, I seen people
scratch pancakes while pouring syrup down their back. Anything
different in the bedroom?
On 2/10/22 20:54, Bill Prince wrote:
So what's the problem?
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On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 6:55 PM Jaime Solorza
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So no one noticed or maybe too polite to say anything...
I even climbed a 40 ft. tower today...
Oh well...
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