Re: [AFMUG] Headphones and earbuds

[jay weekley]

Are there any hazardous noise levels?

On Fri, May 12, 2023, 2:00 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I warned an employee wearing noise cancelling earphones that they were a
> safety hazard yesterday.  Today I noticed he had them on again, I pointed
> to his ear.  He went off on me, complaining that everyone else had
> earbuds.  I told him that many times I started talking to him and he either
> acted like he was not hearing anything or he chose to ignore me.  Yadda y
> adda, yadda.  He quit a few minutes later.  Good worker but lousy
> attitude.  43 years old and had worked about 20 different places.
>
> So I adopted an open ears policy.  If I am the asshole, that is fine.  I
> am a boomer and proud of it.
>
> Whadya y’all think?
>
>
>
> *Should Employees Be Allowed to Wear Earbuds?*
> --
>
>
>
> Currently, the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA) does
> not have guidelines on earbud use in the workplace. However, OSHA has
> issued recommendations regarding earbud use while on the job. Of course,
> wearing earbuds in some work environments poses more of a threat than in
> others.
>
> Earbud Dangers
>
> The dangers of wearing earbuds while on the job are similar to
> non-employment use of these devices. People wearing earbuds simply cannot
> hear emergency signals, but it goes beyond that. Overall, earbuds may pose
> a safety hazard because the employee is less cognizant of their
> surroundings and is not paying attention to their safety.
>
> No Earbuds Allowed
>
> OSHA urges employers to forbidTop of Form
>
>  Bottom of Form
>
> the use of earbuds when workers are operating any sort of heavy equipment.
> Anyone working on a manufacturing or construction site where heavy
> equipment is used should not have earbuds, headphones, or similar devices
> on their heads. For example, even if the forklift operator is not wearing
> earbuds, a fellow employee in the vicinity using these devices could end up
> getting hit if they cannot hear the machine. Along with earbuds, the same
> warnings hold true for smartphones.  Manufacturing machinery such as
> milling machines emit noises that indicate problem conditions or unsafe
> conditions.  Operators of machines need to be able to hear what is going
> on with the machine.
>
> Other Earbud Risks
>
> In most manufacturing industries, various energy-related hazards exist.
> These may include chemical, electrical, or fire hazards. Failure to hear a
> warning device due to earbud use not only puts that employee at risk if
> they cannot hear warnings from coworkers but may be at risk as earbuds also
> affect evacuations or the realization that equipment is not functioning
> properly. For maximum safety, no employee in a manufacturing setting should
> wear earbuds, even if they are not in an area of heavy equipment use. That
> includes those working in warehouses. Earbuds are never a substitute for
> any type of hearing protection on the job.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Keto

[Jay Weekley]

How long did the keto flu take to set in and go away?

Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
In 30 days I went from 144/101 bp to 124/78  but more importantly the 
morning blood glucose went from 224 to 91!

And after the keto flu period passed, I feel great now.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Jay Weekley]

Why unsubscribe?

Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Probably just as well.  David Sovreen just unsubscribed...
I need to quit inciting riots.
*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Monday, June 6, 2022 2:35 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
Yeah, I think I am seeing snow in hell...

On 6/6/22 1:10 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Now that’s a first!
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, June 6, 2022 1:48 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
rotflmao
lent
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 2:46 PM Darin Steffl  
wrote:


Why is everyone's solution to spend tons more money on hardening
schools and adding more paid law enforcement?
The solution is and always has been to keep bad guys from getting
guns. It's much cheaper than hardening every public place. Why do
you want to make school a prison? Barbed wire fences, one door,
armed police or guards, etc. That's literally prison. Kids
shouldn't have to deal with that.
They should be able to go to a happy and pretty school campus and
not be shot by a crazy male American. This means making guns
harder to purchase, period!
If you only harden schools, how are you going to do the same to
every other public space like stores, theaters, stadiums, etc.
You aren't. Again, it's back to guns.
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022, 1:38 PM  wrote:

That’s a fancy way to say you only get to lose a gunfight once.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck
McCown via AF
*Sent:* Monday, June 06, 2022 1:49 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Cc:* Chuck McCown 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

I have been shot at, but never been in combat.  I don’t carry
a weapon because I don’t want that option.  That option is
one of the initial starting conditions of a higher order
ordinary differential equation.

I prefer a linear equation.

If a firefighter is armored such that they can probably
survive a gunshot, that would steer their thinking toward
rescue over taking out the shooter.  Let the cops do that.

*From:*Jason McKemie

*Sent:*Monday, June 6, 2022 11:09 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

True, if they're properly trained and doing their job it
would be more effective.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Robert
 wrote:

There was also the shooting down in the south, where they
had a school "police" officer who stood back and did
nothing.   That's not necessarily a solution either.

On 6/6/22 9:58 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Seems like we should just be giving additional
funding to police departments so that they can have a
regular presence at schools.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:08 AM Chuck McCown via AF
 wrote:

I may regret posting this but I had a thought.

How about we let the fire department handle
active shooters at schools.

They know how to get there fast. They are ready
to go at an instants notice.

They know how to breach any building and rescue
survivors.

They have heavy protective gear on, just add a
layer of kevlar.

Or give them extra/different gear they can don on
the way to the incident.

They sure as hell don’t stand around outside
discussing jurisdiction and strategy.

They care more about rescue than they do about
their own lives.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Jay Weekley]

The availability of guns isn't the problem.  Turning nutcases into 
celebrities is the problem.  This wasn't a thing when I was in school 
and guns were readily available.


Darin Steffl wrote:
Why is everyone's solution to spend tons more money on hardening 
schools and adding more paid law enforcement?


The solution is and always has been to keep bad guys from getting 
guns. It's much cheaper than hardening every public place. Why do you 
want to make school a prison? Barbed wire fences, one door, armed 
police or guards, etc. That's literally prison. Kids shouldn't have to 
deal with that.


They should be able to go to a happy and pretty school campus and not 
be shot by a crazy male American. This means making guns harder to 
purchase, period!


If you only harden schools, how are you going to do the same to every 
other public space like stores, theaters, stadiums, etc. You aren't. 
Again, it's back to guns.


On Mon, Jun 6, 2022, 1:38 PM <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:


That’s a fancy way to say you only get to lose a gunfight once.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Monday, June 06, 2022 1:49 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Cc:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

I have been shot at, but never been in combat.  I don’t carry a
weapon because I don’t want that option.  That option is one of
the initial starting conditions of a higher order ordinary
differential equation.

I prefer a linear equation.

If a firefighter is armored such that they can probably survive a
gunshot, that would steer their thinking toward rescue over taking
out the shooter.  Let the cops do that.

*From:*Jason McKemie

*Sent:*Monday, June 6, 2022 11:09 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

True, if they're properly trained and doing their job it would be
more effective.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

There was also the shooting down in the south, where they had
a school "police" officer who stood back and did nothing.  
That's not necessarily a solution either.


On 6/6/22 9:58 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Seems like we should just be giving additional funding to
police departments so that they can have a regular
presence at schools.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:08 AM Chuck McCown via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

I may regret posting this but I had a thought.

How about we let the fire department handle active
shooters at schools.

They know how to get there fast. They are ready to go
at an instants notice.

They know how to breach any building and rescue survivors.

They have heavy protective gear on, just add a layer
of kevlar.

Or give them extra/different gear they can don on the
way to the incident.

They sure as hell don’t stand around outside
discussing jurisdiction and strategy.

They care more about rescue than they do about their
own lives.

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Re: [AFMUG] Guy wire mystery.

[Jay Weekley]

I'm going to take a few more pictures and then talk to engineering. 
Normally, I wouldn't worry about it but our entire company operates off 
of that pole.  Power and bandwidth.


dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:

If they really don't know then it sounds like unauthorized attachments.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 1:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Guy wire mystery.

I will look at it again in the morning.   There is phone, coax and fiber
on the pole I know. The guy wire on the opposite side is sagging and
essentially useless.

Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

It is required.  Look at the strand they are connected to.  The strand
generally is terminated on a through bolt.  The other end of the bolt
will have a thimble eye or thimble eye nut that the guy wire is
terminated to.

If the telco, or CATV or whoever is on that bolt, they put in the guy
too.

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 10:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Guy wire mystery.

We have a bit of a mystery. A car wreck took out two of the guy wires
that support a utility pole that is in front of our office. The power
board that owns the pole said the guy wires aren't theirs but they
don't know who they belong to. Is it normal for a utility company to
allow other entities to put extra guy wires on their pole?



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Re: [AFMUG] Guy wire mystery.

[Jay Weekley]

I will look at it again in the morning.   There is phone, coax and fiber 
on the pole I know. The guy wire on the opposite side is sagging and 
essentially useless.


Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
It is required.  Look at the strand they are connected to.  The strand 
generally is terminated on a through bolt.  The other end of the bolt 
will have a thimble eye or thimble eye nut that the guy wire is 
terminated to.


If the telco, or CATV or whoever is on that bolt, they put in the guy 
too.


-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 10:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Guy wire mystery.

We have a bit of a mystery. A car wreck took out two of the guy wires
that support a utility pole that is in front of our office. The power
board that owns the pole said the guy wires aren't theirs but they don't
know who they belong to. Is it normal for a utility company to allow
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[AFMUG] Guy wire mystery.

[Jay Weekley]

We have a bit of a mystery. A car wreck took out two of the guy wires 
that support a utility pole that is in front of our office. The power 
board that owns the pole said the guy wires aren't theirs but they don't 
know who they belong to. Is it normal for a utility company to allow 
other entities to put extra guy wires on their pole?



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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Jay Weekley]

I see lent coming.

Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
Ok, I’m out.  That’s a line I didn’t think I’d ever see someone cross. 
 There is zero difference between the unborn child and those kids that 
moron murdered.


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On May 25, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Jan-GAMs  wrote:



A fetus is not a child.  An unwanted glob of spit forced to stay in 
womb is looking forward to a childhood of hate and abuse.  Where do 
you think that child is going to vent his anger and frustration?


On 5/25/22 13:09, Cameron Crum wrote:
Talk about sick. You just advocated murdering more children, 
especially those with disabilities, to possibly prevent more 
murders. No wonder we have a culture problem.


On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 3:02 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

America has a serious culture issue, I think you're right.  Our
sicko's behave like predators who go after the
weakest/defenseless in our herd.  The only solution I see is to
strengthen the defenses until we can figure out how to remove
the sicko's.  Maybe more abortions to remove the unwanted so
they don't grow up to be abused children?  Sandy Hook was done
by an autistic child, possibly could have been caught with a
test many months prior to birth. Maybe the threat of feeding
surviving sicko's to pigs might stop them?

On 5/25/22 12:32, Bill Prince wrote:


Mass shootings get all the attention, but as bad as they are,
they are not the major cause of gun-related deaths.

According to this
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081 article by
the BBC (and I would say they don't have a dog in this fight,
except maybe to gloat about how much safer it is in the UK),
the majority of gun-related deaths (54%) are from suicide (and
that is illegal most places I know). Most of the rest (42%) are
some kind of homicide. The number killed in mass shootings is a
tiny , but glaring, minority.

The number of guns per capita is pretty eye-opening at 1.2 guns
per person. Second place (in the world) is Yemen with .5 guns
per person. Interestingly, first world countries Canada,
Finland, and Iceland have about .3 per person. Most European
countries don't even make the list.

I would say that we have a culture problem, but I'll be damned
to say how to fix it.


bp

On 5/25/2022 11:05 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Some sources call mass shootings:
/Mass shootings are defined as events in which four or more
people are killed with firearms in a public place, with the
murders not being attributed to any other underlying criminal
activity./
//
By that count there have only been 8 so far this year.
*From:* Craig House
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 12:02 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
That’s funny I was just about to post the exact same
statistics. You would expect any statistics in the United
States to be broken down equal to the population statistics or
very close.  Where there are anomalies from those statistics
is probably the best place to look for answers. So maybe the
question that needs to be asked is why are Latinos less likely
to participate in mass shootings. I’m not being facetious. Is
it stronger family ties, do they have a better appreciation
for what they have,? Maybe somewhere buried in those questions
are the answers that we’re all looking for

Sent from my iPhone


On May 25, 2022, at 12:59, Chuck McCown via AF
  wrote:


57.8% of the US is white.  So proportionally mass shooters
are even more likely to be white than the fraction of the
population would suggest.
But the same goes for blacks. 21% of the mass shooters/ 13%
of the population
For Latinos, it is reversed. 18.7% of the population but only
10% of the mass shooters.
The solution is more Latinos.
*From:* Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 11:39 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Cc:* Chuck McCown
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
68% white Steve, 68%

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 11:30 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
ther is not such a thing as an assault weapon, so thats easy.
You dont dictate whether people need or dont need anything,
that you opinion and its in regard to a fantasy item anyway,
so pretty moot
Instant background checks would solve a lot of issues,
especially since it can flag a restricted individual, you try
to buy a gun when you arent supposed to, you should get a
quick visit from authorities to clear it out
How would going 

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Jay Weekley]

No, they are not.  They are going to adore their adopting parents, 
become successful WISP operators, and take care of their parents until 
the day the die like I did.  I'm an "unwanted glob of fucking spit".


Jan-GAMs wrote:


A fetus is not a child.  An unwanted glob of spit forced to stay in 
womb is looking forward to a childhood of hate and abuse.  Where do 
you think that child is going to vent his anger and frustration?


On 5/25/22 13:09, Cameron Crum wrote:
Talk about sick. You just advocated murdering more children, 
especially those with disabilities, to possibly prevent more murders. 
No wonder we have a culture problem.


On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 3:02 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

America has a serious culture issue, I think you're right.  Our
sicko's behave like predators who go after the
weakest/defenseless in our herd.  The only solution I see is to
strengthen the defenses until we can figure out how to remove the
sicko's.  Maybe more abortions to remove the unwanted so they
don't grow up to be abused children?  Sandy Hook was done by an
autistic child, possibly could have been caught with a test many
months prior to birth.  Maybe the threat of feeding surviving
sicko's to pigs might stop them?

On 5/25/22 12:32, Bill Prince wrote:


Mass shootings get all the attention, but as bad as they are,
they are not the major cause of gun-related deaths.

According to this
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081 article by the
BBC (and I would say they don't have a dog in this fight, except
maybe to gloat about how much safer it is in the UK), the
majority of gun-related deaths (54%) are from suicide (and that
is illegal most places I know). Most of the rest (42%) are some
kind of homicide. The number killed in mass shootings is a tiny
, but glaring, minority.

The number of guns per capita is pretty eye-opening at 1.2 guns
per person. Second place (in the world) is Yemen with .5 guns
per person. Interestingly, first world countries Canada,
Finland, and Iceland have about .3 per person. Most European
countries don't even make the list.

I would say that we have a culture problem, but I'll be damned
to say how to fix it.


bp

On 5/25/2022 11:05 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Some sources call mass shootings:
/Mass shootings are defined as events in which four or more
people are killed with firearms in a public place, with the
murders not being attributed to any other underlying criminal
activity./
//
By that count there have only been 8 so far this year.
*From:* Craig House
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 12:02 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
That’s funny I was just about to post the exact same
statistics. You would expect any statistics in the United
States to be broken down equal to the population statistics or
very close.  Where there are anomalies from those statistics is
probably the best place to look for answers. So maybe the
question that needs to be asked is why are Latinos less likely
to participate in mass shootings. I’m not being facetious. Is
it stronger family ties, do they have a better appreciation for
what they have,? Maybe somewhere buried in those questions are
the answers that we’re all looking for

Sent from my iPhone


On May 25, 2022, at 12:59, Chuck McCown via AF
  wrote:


57.8% of the US is white.  So proportionally mass shooters are
even more likely to be white than the fraction of the
population would suggest.
But the same goes for blacks.  21% of the mass shooters/ 13%
of the population
For Latinos, it is reversed.  18.7% of the population but only
10% of the mass shooters.
The solution is more Latinos.
*From:* Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 11:39 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Cc:* Chuck McCown
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
68% white Steve, 68%

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 11:30 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
ther is not such a thing as an assault weapon, so thats easy.
You dont dictate whether people need or dont need anything,
that you opinion and its in regard to a fantasy item anyway,
so pretty moot
Instant background checks would solve a lot of issues,
especially since it can flag a restricted individual, you try
to buy a gun when you arent supposed to, you should get a
quick visit from authorities to clear it out
How would going after white supremacists stop the majority of
the shootings and mass shootings, since minorities perpetrate
the 

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Jay Weekley]

The .223/5.56 round is not especially powerful.  In fact, in some areas 
in the US it's illegal to hunt deer with them because it won't make an 
ethical kill.


Bill Prince wrote:


One of the problems is that people keep trying to define assault 
weapons by how they look, when they should be defined by the level of 
damage they can cause in a specified amount of time. Any damage above 
a set level in a specified amount of time is an assault weapon. What 
you can do with a military M16 is pretty astounding; and that weapon 
was meant more for maiming and not really for killing; you do more 
damage to the enemy by making them care for their badly wounded.



bp

On 5/25/2022 10:30 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

ther is not such a thing as an assault weapon, so thats easy.
You dont dictate whether people need or dont need anything, that you 
opinion and its in regard to a fantasy item anyway, so pretty moot
Instant background checks would solve a lot of issues, especially 
since it can flag a restricted individual, you try to buy a gun when 
you arent supposed to, you should get a quick visit from authorities 
to clear it out
How would going after white supremacists stop the majority of the 
shootings and mass shootings, since minorities perpetrate the 
majority of those? Its always best to start with addressing the big 
problems first. white supremacists, black supremacists, I dont think 
there are really any other color supremacists out there. but both are 
the same card. best to focus on criminals instead of idiots and 
emotions because CNN told you to.
How would indicting trump have stopped yesterday or the mass 
shootings under your god obama?


You definitely shouldnt own firearms, I agree with you there.

Seventy years ago, KKK was in full steam politicians were openly 
members, racism was rampant and most every school had a boatload of 
firearms in the lot and in the building. So your whole premise that 
this is a white problem is just you being a racist bigot. There were 
little to no mass shootings or school shootings.


The moron in new york at least made it clear in his manifesto that 
was pretty much plagiarized from the australian guy that this happens 
where it happens because there are no guns there. he was very clear 
in that. Mass shooters (gang members and the CNN image of the white 
kid) have one thing in common, theyre cowards. They wont target armed 
areas, thats why schools and gun free zones are what they like to hit 
(and the fact that the schools abuse alot of these guys)


The left fights for no guns, no borders, no consequense, no death 
penalty, no accountability for things they like, and then they wonder 
why the natural progression occurs. Thats why lieberalism is a mental 
illness. victimology and cliche dont get the job done. never has, 
never will, fiddle and watch burn


On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:


Ban all assault weapons...
Normal folks don't need those...
Make purchasing guns harder and stricter background checks..
Go after white supremacist groups aggressively  ..
Cut the head of the snake off...indict trump

On Wed, May 25, 2022, 9:25 AM Chuck McCown via AF
 wrote:

What would you have them do?
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 9:02 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
I stand by my posts...in Texas it's the Republicans who are
strong gun supporters...and fuck Democrats who don't do shit...
Tony Gonzales for one .
I call it as it is...
On Wed, May 25, 2022, 8:45 AM Chuck McCown via AF
 wrote:

This has been building for decades and multiple
administrations.  So why is it always the total fault of
Republicans? Are Democrats so feckless they cannot do
anything but whine raise taxes?

Sent from my iPhone


On May 25, 2022, at 6:36 AM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:


Bullshit Steve...immigrants haven't been killing
children or people with assault weapons...they come here
for a better life...
You don't live near the border...
You see things through a tunnel vision created by
xenophobic racist assholes...
I have been to Uvalde many times for work and
pleasure...as a grandfather of 16 school age children
this hit me very hard...
Fuck guns, fuck Trump, fuck Abbott, fuck Cruz, fuck NRA,
fuck GOP, pro life my ass..
On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:59 PM Steve Jones
 wrote:

No country that enacted these controls already had
the volume of firearms we have presently. Comparing
apples and turtles. Ban them and you  have nothing
but illegal weapons. We have a porous border that
   

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Jay Weekley]

AR-15's and AK-47's are not assault weapons as classified by the 
government.


Jaime Solorza wrote:

Ban all assault weapons...
Normal folks don't need those...
Make purchasing guns harder and stricter background checks..
Go after white supremacist groups aggressively ..
Cut the head of the snake off...indict trump

On Wed, May 25, 2022, 9:25 AM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote:


What would you have them do?
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 9:02 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
I stand by my posts...in Texas it's the Republicans who are strong
gun supporters...and fuck Democrats who don't do shit...
Tony Gonzales for one .
I call it as it is...
On Wed, May 25, 2022, 8:45 AM Chuck McCown via AF
 wrote:

This has been building for decades and multiple
administrations.  So why is it always the total fault of
Republicans?  Are Democrats so feckless they cannot do
anything but whine raise taxes?

Sent from my iPhone


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 wrote:


Bullshit Steve...immigrants haven't been killing children or
people with assault weapons...they come here for a better
life...
You don't live near the border...
You see things through a tunnel vision created by xenophobic
racist assholes...
I have been to Uvalde many times for work and pleasure...as a
grandfather of 16 school age children this hit me very hard...
Fuck guns, fuck Trump, fuck Abbott, fuck Cruz, fuck NRA, fuck
GOP, pro life my ass..
On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:59 PM Steve Jones
 wrote:

No country that enacted these controls already had the
volume of firearms we have presently. Comparing apples
and turtles. Ban them and you have nothing but illegal
weapons. We have a porous border that democrats fight
very hard to ensure whole people can get across. Ban guns
and see how that turns out. Disarm real people and every
city and town will be Compton USA. Stop the hugathug
campaigns and the shootings will be less.
You folks are only upset because some white kids may have
been shot. You dont care that more kids of color are
killed annually in here and there shootings. Get off the
big ticket outrage bandwagon, its dispicable.
On Wed, May 25, 2022, 12:01 AM Darin Steffl
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Stricter gun laws absolutely help reduce violence.
Look at every other country in the world and how much
less gun violence they have.
Making guns harder to buy reduces the supply
available to criminals. Every gun a criminal has/had
was at some point sold legally. Requiring universal
background checks means no more private sales without
a background check. Gun shows and private party sales
don't require checks today when they should.
If background checks are required for any sale or
gift of a firearm, this means sellers will be liable
if the firearm they sold/gifted is used to commit a
crime if they didn't do a background check. Hold
people accountable who put guns into the hands of bad
people. If a child uses a parent's gun to commit a
crime, charge the parent for something serious. Send
a message that guns are serious and dangerous in the
wrong hands. People will lock up their guns and be
way more careful about who they sell or gift them to
if they are liable for crimes committed using their
firearm.
Can't you see how these measures will reduce the
supply of legal guns going to criminals and mentally
unstable people? Again, look at every other country
that has either gun bans or strict gun control and
their statistics clearly show that they have less gun
violence per capita. If it works everywhere else, it
WILL work here.
Red flag laws and revokation of gun ownership should
be passed too so if someone becomes mentally unstable
and starts posting about threats or violence they
want to cause, the sheriff should be able to sieze
their guns until they have a psych eval and can prove
they're sane enough to get their guns back.
This is a stupid saying: the only way to stop a bad
guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
The best way to 

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to her.  Using the
exact same vernacular.

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Re: [AFMUG] Hello?

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I see that now in my "OT" folder.

Andy Trimmell wrote:

Just 1 with the subject : OT Late 1970s

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The last message I have received is from 4/16.  Has there been traffic
since then?

Josh Luthman wrote:

AFMUG pissed off Gmail at the end of March.  Looks like you're using
it.  Make sure you're subscribed and then create a filter to allow the
list's messages.

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Re: [AFMUG] Hello?

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The last message I have received is from 4/16.  Has there been traffic 
since then?


Josh Luthman wrote:
AFMUG pissed off Gmail at the end of March.  Looks like you're using 
it.  Make sure you're subscribed and then create a filter to allow the 
list's messages.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Do I feel special

[Jay Weekley]

I'm going to start a business proof reading email scams.  It seems the 
Nigerians could really use my help.


Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

*From:* Mackenzie Scott
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 8, 2022 9:34 AM
*Subject:* Re:
Hello,
I'm Mackenzie Scott Ex-wife of Amazon CEO and founder, I'm donating $ 
4 billion Dollars to charities, individuals, colleges across the Globe 
from Scott's foundation, to provide immediate support to people 
suffering economically from COVID-19 pandemic and you're one of the 
lucky winners, i have a donation grant worth $100,800,000.00 Dollars 
for you, you can contact me for more information if you're interested.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Eggnog

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No booze?

Jaime Solorza wrote:

Better than eggnog

On Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 11:00 AM Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


1)I don’t like raw eggs. The thought of consuming raw eggs
makes me queasy.  And I have eaten raw eggs multiple times just to
be able to speak with authority on the subject.  It is inarguable
that I do not like raw eggs.
2)Raw eggs can contain salmonella.  Got that once in a
biological warfare attack and do not want to repeat it.
3)If you like eggnog, just let some vanilla ice cream melt and
drink it.  Same thing.
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Re: [AFMUG] Cat6 cable certification

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There are companies that will rent a certification tester to you.

dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:


Interesting info.  Thanks.

It’s kind of semi internal 

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Daniel White
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*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cat6 cable certification

Did your client give you the requirements?  Is this for an RFP or for 
something internal?


I would think that would guide you to the solution you need.  This 
knowledge base article from Fluke goes over Verification, 
Qualification, and Certification - 
https://www.flukenetworks.com/knowledge-base/cableiq/verification-qualification-and-certification-cableiq


CableIQ I think mostly falls in the qualification category... not 
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I’ve never had to certify cables.  Is there a type of test/report
that customers expect?


There’s a Fluke CableIQ for <$1500 that stores 250 test results. 
That’s really affordable but it doesn’t do the entire set of

TIA-568 tests, but it does do about 70% of the tests.  Is anybody
going to complain?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Alec Baldwin

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Alec Baldwin

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et on my pants
caught the trigger or the hammer. When hunting I would
frequently pull the hammer back half way.  I think that
was considered having the safety on with those old
guns.  You could not pull the trigger and fire from
that position.  If the trigger was all the way forward,
it would fire if the hammer got struck by something. 
To fire you had to pull the hammer all the way back. 
Or if you used the lever to put one in the chamber it

would also fully cock the gun.
It has always been a mystery to me.  Just glad I didn’t
kill anyone that day.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Alec Baldwin

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een a mystery to me.  Just glad I didn’t
kill anyone that day.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

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Two people caused their own death that day.  Yes, he should have stayed 
home that day as well as all the rioters.


Bill Prince wrote:
The point that should be made is that exactly two people died by any 
means that day, and the young twerp was the cause of both. If he had 
stayed home watching Walker Texas Ranger (or whatever gets his jollies 
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On 11/20/2021 11:04 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
I won't be hit in the head with a skateboard or anything else more 
than once.


Bill Prince wrote:

Let's count how many people were killed by skateboards that day.

Hmmm.

Still zero.

Shoot 'em anyway.


bp


On 11/20/2021 10:46 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
As skateboard can be a deadly weapon. People die from one or two 
punches to the head.  In fact, we are more likely to be beaten to 
death by someones hands or feet than be killed by a rifle of any 
caliber or style.


Robert Andrews wrote:
Hold them accountable with _Due Process_ which this kid got but 
the "rioters" didn't.   I think if it was your relative that was 
dead in the street YOUR perspective might be different.   No one 
died in this event _Except_ as a result of this kid.   Was it 
right that the guy was beating him with a skateboard, NO.  Was he 
going to die from the beating with a skateboard?  Not likely... 
Was he at a house/business defending it/them? No  Was he a perfect 
Media (either side) tool, most certainly...


On 11/19/21 1:19 PM, Larry Smith wrote:

So in your view the riots, burning, looting are ok but not
the holding of them accountable.  Wonder if it were your
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

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I won't be hit in the head with a skateboard or anything else more than 
once.


Bill Prince wrote:

Let's count how many people were killed by skateboards that day.

Hmmm.

Still zero.

Shoot 'em anyway.


bp


On 11/20/2021 10:46 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
As skateboard can be a deadly weapon. People die from one or two 
punches to the head.  In fact, we are more likely to be beaten to 
death by someones hands or feet than be killed by a rifle of any 
caliber or style.


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Hold them accountable with _Due Process_ which this kid got but the 
"rioters" didn't.   I think if it was your relative that was dead in 
the street YOUR perspective might be different.   No one died in 
this event _Except_ as a result of this kid.   Was it right that the 
guy was beating him with a skateboard, NO.  Was he going to die from 
the beating with a skateboard?  Not likely...  Was he at a 
house/business defending it/them?  No  Was he a perfect Media 
(either side) tool, most certainly...


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the holding of them accountable.  Wonder if it were your
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

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His color is the reason he was charged in the first place.

Jaime Solorza wrote:
Sorry dudes but had he been a person of color this would have been way 
different...

Facts are behind me...


On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 12:08 PM Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
(I hope I don’t regret this)
The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
But the media are certainly not sick of them.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

[Jay Weekley]

As skateboard can be a deadly weapon.  People die from one or two 
punches to the head.  In fact, we are more likely to be beaten to death 
by someones hands or feet than be killed by a rifle of any caliber or 
style.


Robert Andrews wrote:
Hold them accountable with _Due Process_   which this kid got but the 
"rioters" didn't.   I think if it was your relative that was dead in 
the street YOUR perspective might be different.   No one died in this 
event _Except_ as a result of this kid.   Was it right that the guy 
was beating him with a skateboard, NO.  Was he going to die from the 
beating with a skateboard?  Not likely...  Was he at a house/business 
defending it/them?  No  Was he a perfect Media (either side) tool, 
most certainly...


On 11/19/21 1:19 PM, Larry Smith wrote:

So in your view the riots, burning, looting are ok but not
the holding of them accountable.  Wonder if it were your
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

[Jay Weekley]

It's not illegal to cross state lines with a firearm as long as you 
follow the laws of the state you're going to.  Where do people get the 
notion it was illegal?


Cameron Crum wrote:
Does anyone do anything but parrot the inaccuracies of the media these 
days? He did not "cross state lines" with a firearm. The firearm never 
left the town. His father lived in the town and he worked there as a 
lifeguard. He lived less than 20 minutes away. The thug who lost his 
bicep drove from further away and was breaking the law by possessing a 
firearm as he was a felon. Rittenhouse wasn't there to "police" 
anything. He is trained in first aid and was there throughout the day 
cleaning graffiti off walls and actually rendering first aid to people 
as is shown in numerous pictures if you care to seek them out. You can 
hear him on several of the videos offering first aid. He was in legal 
possession of the firearm the whole time. He served in cadet programs 
for both the police and fire. Sometimes it's worthwhile to get out of 
the echo chamber.


On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:04 PM Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that
the young twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be
the self-appointed "police", and as a result a couple of people
died. If said young twerp had stayed home and watched Chuck Norris
on TV, maybe no one would have died, and maybe a few windows might
have been broken.

I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.


bp


On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
(I hope I don’t regret this)
The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in
Wisconsin.
Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
But the media are certainly not sick of them.

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Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

[Jay Weekley]

Why do people fax anything in 2021?

Mike Hammett wrote:
I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller 
relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed 
and just not freaking deal with it anymore.




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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Nate Burke" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 
*Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 10:50:01 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Fax Machines

I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real
fax machine.  I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to
the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to
test.  From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not
successfully negotiate the baud rate.  I have several customers doing
faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this
customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection.

My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs
about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over.  I figured I could
pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks
like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I
guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore.

Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT booster shot

[Jay Weekley]

I wonder what would happen if one took both the Moderna and the Phizer 
vaccines.


Bill Prince wrote:
I read an article, not sure where, but it may have been the NYT or 
maybe Science News talking about the need (or maybe not) of a booster. 
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are very similar in concept and maybe 
even design, but the dosages and intervals are significantly different.


The original Pfizer vaccine was two 20 ml doses three weeks apart.
The original Moderna vaccine was two 100 ml doses 4 weeks apart.

Some evidence has now shown that the larger doses with the bigger 
interval seems to have more staying power. The same article speculated 
that the Moderna vaccine may not need a booster for almost a year, or 
possibly ever.


The UK gambled with longer intervals, and that actually seems to have 
paid off.


We are at the 6-month mark now, but we got the Moderna.

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 12:38 PM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Awesome... wifey and i got Moderna...she wants a booster due to
her diabetes, age and dental surgery gig...we hike most weekends
and walk almost every day...We did two tough hikes past two weeks
and my knee is complaining...i actually started wearing my knee
brace today...
But other than that, we have been healthy... rarely eat out and
haven't gone to hear friends play music...Windy City is off until
next year... meanwhile three groups have asked me to join
themmy wife said No... besides that i really am enjoying our
hikes ...
Stay safe out there...wear those level three masks...

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021, 12:15 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Wife and I got ours this morning.  Had to go to 4 places that
were both giving shots and had Pfizer.  Finally Wal-Mart had it.
I feel  invincible (at least I tell myself that)  but I still
wear a mask when I go out and still avoid crowds.  Not much
going out yet.
Looking over the qualification form, almost anyone could check
a box and get a booster.
You don’t need to be old.  It is easier to honestly qualify if
you are over 50 or over 65.
And you need to have 6 months elapse since your second
vaccination.
But they don’t make you prove you qualify, they just want the
box checked and the signature.
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Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage

[Jay Weekley]

   coincidence. Wouldn’t that be rich if FB
got taken down by ransomware...

With as many datacenters they have, this
must be a CDN/router level attack,
wouldn’t you think?

*From:*CBB - Jay Fuller

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*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage

at least my have my old reliable AFMUG

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*Subject:*[AFMUG] facebook outage

anyone else feeling alone and
isolated without facebook?  I need my
safe space (no, not myspace) back.

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Re: [AFMUG] I had a dream...

[Jay Weekley]

I remember setting up the WiFi at the last one with you and Colin.

Nate Burke wrote:
That we were all back at the old school Animal Farm.  I had my laptop 
setup on a table, glass of Cola next to me, Beehive note pad in front 
of me, listening to the Motorola Engineers explain exactly how the 
radios work.  Man I miss those.  It was the only vacation I would get 
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Re: [AFMUG] Sharing internet connection between buildings

[Jay Weekley]

The first location is a house with internet and the second location 
needs it.  It's not the only way to get the second location on line.  
I'm just looking for the most bullet proof solution that will minimize 
support calls.


Josh Luthman wrote:
That's kind of a basic networking question, what's the overall 
topology look like?  Does this second building already have internet 
and you're back feeding?  Is this fiber connection between the two 
buildings the only way the second building gets online?


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On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 12:57 PM Jay Weekley 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


It's going to be connected to a switch on both ends. Will that be
a problem?

Bill Prince wrote:
> Ethernet has no ground reference. It's a differential signal. If
> you're using shielded cable, only ground one end (or neither
end), and
> you'll be fine.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
    > On 8/25/2021 8:53 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>> I've got a client that needs a network line installed from their
>> house to another building but they are on separate power
meters.  I
>> understand that running a cable between two different ground
points
>> is not advisable.  Is there a way around this?  A wireless link
isn't
>> an option at this point.
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Re: [AFMUG] Sharing internet connection between buildings

[Jay Weekley]

It's going to be connected to a switch on both ends. Will that be a problem?

Bill Prince wrote:
Ethernet has no ground reference. It's a differential signal. If 
you're using shielded cable, only ground one end (or neither end), and 
you'll be fine.



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On 8/25/2021 8:53 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
I've got a client that needs a network line installed from their 
house to another building but they are on separate power meters.  I 
understand that running a cable between two different ground points 
is not advisable.  Is there a way around this?  A wireless link isn't 
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Re: [AFMUG] Sharing internet connection between buildings

[Jay Weekley]

It's an option but I'm trying to minimize my involvement in the support 
department.  The do have an IT guy but I'm not sure how familiar he is 
with fiber.


Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

Jay,

I would do a fiber run between the buildings.

These are nice on both ends 
https://www.amazon.com/TRENDnet-Switching-Capacity-Protection-TEG-S51SFP/dp/B019IHWSF0/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1=Teg-s51sfp=1629908139=8-2

Get some a couple of transceivers and terminated fiber.
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[AFMUG] Sharing internet connection between buildings

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I've got a client that needs a network line installed from their house 
to another building but they are on separate power meters.  I understand 
that running a cable between two different ground points is not 
advisable.  Is there a way around this?  A wireless link isn't an option 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

[Jay Weekley]

She is referred to by some as "governor Memaw".

Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
I will say that more politicians need to be as plain-spoken about this 
as your governor was within the last few days.


On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 6:10 PM Jay Weekley <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


Yay Alabama.

Jaime Solorza wrote:
> Getting vaccinated is just the correct thing to do...like polio and
> other ones..
> I don't see it as an infringement on my rights at all.
> Families are dying in the south mostly...the virus doesn't give
a shit
> what you believe...
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 4:38 PM Forrest Christian (List Account)
> mailto:li...@packetflux.com>
<mailto:li...@packetflux.com <mailto:li...@packetflux.com>>> wrote:
>
> I've been trying to stay out of this to avoid stirring this up
> further, but, it's probably time for me to stick my $0.02 in...
>
> One primary role of government is to make rules or laws in
places
> where people's rights (or opinions) come in conflict with
each other.
>
> Pre-vaccine, the most likely way for me to be protected from
> infection is if other people behaved like they might be a
> carrier.   That is, limit social interaction, stay away from
other
> people if possible, wear masks, practice good hygiene.   Some
> people didn't want to do this.  Other people didn't want to be
> infected, but couldn't protect themselves effectively.   Both
> sides had rights - the right to do what one wants vs the
right not
> to be infected by others who are a carrier.  Add to that the
right
> of being able to have an ICU bed available if you did end up
> infected.   At this point, the government needed to step in and
> make a decision about who's rights were going to be
protected, and
> because of the nature of COVID, most places ended up
choosing the
> rights of people not to be infected.
>
> Post-vaccine this conversation changes.   Now I  have a way to
> protect myself.   Post-vaccination, my risk of dying or having
> long-term effects from COVID is more like dying from the flu (if
> not less).   As a result, now that anyone who wants a shot
can get
> one, I really could care less whether someone else wears a
mask or
> gets vaccinated.  Your choice.  And the government rules should
> reflect that, which most of them do at this point.
>
> There is one main caveat, and that is that in some areas we're
> going to have a resurgence of COVID among (mostly) the
> unvaccinated.If unvaccinated people start to fill the
hospital
> ICU wards, then either we need to go back to mask mandates and
> similar in those areas, OR we need to be willing to kick
> unvaccinated people out of the ICU when they fill, and let them
> die of COVID at home.  Yes, this is cold, but if you chose a
path
> that results in a higher risk of dying, then you should also
take
> the risk of there not being an ICU bed available to you if you
> need it.
>
> There is also the concern about variants being generated by the
> virus continuing to run rampant among parts of the population.
> I'm going to ignore this as this makes my point a bit more messy
> as then you have to start asking difficult questions about what
> the actual risk of this is versus the downside of forcing a
> population to either be vaccinated or continue quarantine+mask
> wearing.  I'm not convinced that there is strong enough
evidence,
> either way, to make a decision here.
>
> The other point which continues to be frustrating is that we
need
> people to make their decision about being vaccinated based on
> actual facts.   Not based on talking points or conspiracy
theories
> from the left or the right.  The vaccine isn't magnetic.  The
> vaccine, although still not fully FDA approved has proven to
have
> a lower statistical risk of bad outcomes than COVID itself.  No,
> the vaccine isn't 100% effective, but it is highly effective.
>  No, the vaccines don't have tracking chips.  Even if you
survive
> COVID-19 (99% chance of doing so), the likelihood of having
> long-term health effects is much higher (over 10%).  No, the
> vaccines don't alter your DNA.   And on and on.
>
> Sadly, it seems that the worst of these 

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT somewhat political

[Jay Weekley]

I was exposed a few days earlier.

Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

What caused you to go get tested?

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 2:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT somewhat political

When I was diagnosed with Covid I had zero symptoms and my temperature
was under 98 degrees.  The clinic had me wait in their lobby for two
hours before swabbing me.   I distanced and wore a mask but there is no
telling who I infected while following their procedures.

Jan-GAMs wrote:


There is no reasonable excuse for an un-vaxxed person to not suspect 
that they are a carrier.  We have been informed for more than a year 
that asymptomatic covid people can be carriers for an indefinite 
period of time.  There is no reasonable excuse for being un-vaxxed, 
in public and ignorant.  I would vote yes for shoot the bastard and 
burn the body, they are a walking public menace.  This isn't about 
"freedom", this is about public health and hazards to it.


On 7/26/21 9:56 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

There's a major difference - Typhoid Mary knew that she was a carrier.
Somebody dancing through a crowd with a spray bottle of anthrax is 
intentionally trying to kill people.


An apparently healthy un-vaxxed person, taking reasonable 
precautions is nothing like that.


Sure, somebody that knows they're sick (or even has reason to think 
they might be) and goes out and slobbers all over the general public 
is a similar situation, but nobody is defending that.


On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 11:42 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


So, unvacinnated folk that get the virus and walk around for a
few days breathing on the general public are OK with you? Some
are asymptomatic, others are just not feeling too poorly to stay
home yet.  But they are a living breathing biological warfare
machine. And they can just run free?
How about if they had anthrax or rabies or the plague? Doesn’t
matter?
*From:* Dennis Burgess
*Sent:* Monday, July 26, 2021 6:00 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Cc:* Chuck McCown
*Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

Or that other person can ware the condom since they are so afraid
of it, or maybe they should not be out in public?

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*Sent:* Friday, July 23, 2021 6:20 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

AIDS was / Is 100% avoidable.  COVID is like someone with AIDS
spraying you down with their precious bodily fluids by sneezing.
People have been prosecuted for infecting others with AIDS.  Why
not COVID?  If you don’t want the vax, fine but you need a full
body condom if you come within 100’ of another person.

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On Jul 23, 2021, at 4:24 PM, David Coudron
 wrote:



There are valid reasons for deciding to take this vaccine,
the shingles vaccine, the flu vaccine, or a myriad of other
medications.   Each decision should be based on risk/reward
of that drug and the medical condition being treated. To
think that you know everyone’s medical situation better than
they do doesn’t seem very feasible and awfully presumptive.  
To call them selfish for making a decision they believe is in

their best medical interest seems overly judgmental. Yes,
there are people are deciding not to take it simply because
they think they shouldn’t be forced to take a medical
treatment against their will.   You may feel that we should
force them to take the treatment for the better good.   I
doubt you would feel the same about mandatory castration of
young men to curb overcrowding of the earth. Obviously
there is a line somewhere about forced treatment for the
greater good.  I am not attempting to determine where that
line is, only suggesting that folks have valid medical
reasons for not deciding to take the vaccine and they
shouldn’t be publicly shamed for making that decision.   It
doesn’t seem that far fetched, but I am learning I see things
differently than some other folks.   So be it.

I love the argument that we have to get vaccinated, but we
still have to act like the vaccine 

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT somewhat political

[Jay Weekley]

  they'll fail the drug test.  Same idea.


2.
 3. This “vaccine” has not been proven to
prevent the virus. While we likely all
agree that there is a very good
likelihood that this “vaccine” will help
prevent it, it is far from a proven fact.

99% of people dying of Covid right now are
un-vaccinated.  We can split hairs and say maybe it
didn't prevent them from becoming infected, but it
clearly prevents them from dying.


4.

 2. The argument is, “there should be no reason
to think this vaccine isn’t safe since people
aren’t dying from taking the vaccine”.

I've never heard such an argument.


 3. Vaccines are a risk/reward type of medical
treatment. Every medicine you take has some
level of side effect.   The vast majority of
medicines have such negligible side effects,
that they are considered completely safe.  
The FDA approval process exists to ensure we

understand the potential of serious side
effects and drug interaction issues. If you
are 30 years old and folks are saying you
have to take this experimental drug to
prevent this incredibly small chance of you
becoming seriously ill or dying, it seems
like an intelligent thing to say “I am not
sure the risk of getting seriously ill or
dying from this disease outweighs the risk of
using an experimental drug”.   It used to be
that people relied upon a conversation with
their doctor to determine personal risk of
disease and use of a drug. Apparently we no
longer do that.   We publicly shame people
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 4. Since it is not FDA approved, we don’t have a
full understanding of drug interactions with
other medicines folks need to take.

It isn't some weird new chemical we just invented
this year.



 5. We likely understand the very common
medicines, but, certainly not all.   We have
FDA approval processes for good reason.   If
for example, you were under 40 and were
taking seizure control medication, it would
be very fair to hold off on an experimental
drug until it is fully understood if the
vaccine might lessen the effectiveness of the
seizure control medication.   An incredibly
low risk of serious illness or death from the
virus could turn into a good chance of
serious injury from seizure. As far as I know
data like that is certainly not available yet.




 6. Why do vaccinated people feel the need to
belittle those that have decided not to get
vaccinated by an experimental drug?

I don't know the answer to that.  I'm not comfortable
with that behavior either.  It goes both ways
though.  Plenty of memes out there accusing people of
being dumb sheep for taking the vaccine.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

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   using an experimental drug”.   It used
to be that people relied upon a
conversation with their doctor to
determine personal risk of disease and
use of a drug. Apparently we no longer
do that.   We publicly shame people
into using experimental drugs.




 1. Since it is not FDA approved, we don’t
have a full understanding of drug
interactions with other medicines
folks need to take.

It isn't some weird new chemical we just
invented this year.



 1. We likely understand the very common
medicines, but, certainly not all.  
We have FDA approval processes for

good reason.   If for example, you
were under 40 and were taking seizure
control medication, it would be very
fair to hold off on an experimental
drug until it is fully understood if
the vaccine might lessen the
effectiveness of the seizure control
medication.   An incredibly low risk
of serious illness or death from the
virus could turn into a good chance of
serious injury from seizure.   As far
as I know data like that is certainly
not available yet.




 1. Why do vaccinated people feel the need
to belittle those that have decided
not to get vaccinated by an
experimental drug?

I don't know the answer to that. I'm not
comfortable with that behavior either.  It
goes both ways though.  Plenty of memes out
there accusing people of being dumb sheep for
taking the vaccine.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

[Jay Weekley]

re vaccinated so obsessed with people
that aren’t vaccinated?   For those of us that are
vaccinated, we are safe right?   That was the point of taking
the vaccine.
 6. Most of the science that seems most accurate right now points
to this being with us permanently like an influenza sort of
virus.   It will show up every year with little mutations
that will require updates, or boosters, or yearly covid
shots.What ever you want to call them. Is really so
stupid to wait until this is FDA approved before
participating?   If we have to do this without FDA approval,
why does that process even exist?

I have always appreciated this list because it is usually very
fact focused, and very good at exploring solutions to problems.
While some lists are very superficial and suffer from pat answers
to technical problems, folks in this list have always tended dig
deep and find tangible information related to the email topic. I
get that it is very easy to joke about the intelligence of those
who have made a decision we don’t agree with, but I don’t believe
this topic is nearly that cut and dried.

As Chuck mentioned, unfortunately this is a somewhat political
topic.   I don’t understand why, other than the fact that some
react more harshly to being told they have to do something.  
This should be a scientific discussion.   If definitely shouldn’t

be about public shame.   We don’t know the medical situation of
those that chose not to participate in an experimental medical
treatment.

Regards,

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of * Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Friday, July 23, 2021 1:02 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Cc:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
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They could sponsor concerts and barbecues that only admit
unvaccinated...

How can I get that fake news to be picked up by the junk news feeds?

*From:*Forrest Christian (List Account)

*Sent:*Friday, July 23, 2021 11:55 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

I've wondered if it might be a good thing for the liberal side to
start saying "take the vaccine or not, we don't care - in fact we
would prefer that you don't so there are less of you to vote next
go around".

On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 11:26 AM Carl Peterson
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>>
wrote:

That assumes IQ==Comon sense.  Lots of smart people can be
really dumb when it comes to sports, religon, and politics.  
It seems a subset**of people have convinced themselves that

vaccines, and specifically the covid vaccines, are somehow a
liberal thing.

On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 11:28 AM Chuck McCown via AF
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If the covid variants kill only unvaccinated, then global
IQ average will increase, right?  Always good when your
team wins.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political

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I have a relative that gave Covid to two of her children, mom and me.  
Mom was in the hospital for four days but made a full recovery.  The 
relative is reluctant to get the vaccine because she had varicose vein 
surgery years ago and fears blood clots. I've reminded the relative that 
she can catch it again and give it to other people again.  Hopefully the 
come around.


Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I have a sister that is 79, never a mask, never a vaccine.  Covid is a 
hoax.  So are electric cars.  Her own kid is deaf because she was 
exposed to German Measles when pregnant.  One would think she would be 
all in on vaccinations.
Among my younger employees it is difficult.  One of them was going on 
about have mrna reprograms your body and can do all kinds of things to 
you.  I asked him if he had MMR or any of the childhood vaccines.  He 
admitted he did.  Then are they not taking over the body.  No but they 
are not machines like mrna...
I asked him if he knew how a vaccine worked, he said it is a chemical 
that floats in your blood and kills bad bugs.

So I used the following analogy on him.
Virus’ are like time bombs.  clock, batteries, wires (red and blue) 
explosives.  And they can make copies of them selves.
Your body has a bomb squad.  (Immune system) They see a virus they 
study it and learn how to defuse it.  As long as they can defuse the 
bombs quicker than they can replicate they can wipe it out.  Then they 
remember the bomb design for next time.
Old style vaccines, that are brewed and slowly grown in chicken eggs, 
put either a bomb with the actual explosives removed or a very weak 
bomb into your system for your immune system to study.  Then if you 
get attacked with the real thing your body can take car of the problem.
mrna vaccines are similar but they are 3D printed replicas from plans 
that can be emailed.  The body sees what it believes to be a 
functional bomb and learns how to defuse it.  Nice thing is we can 
print up a new one quickly.
Now, those that know much more than me about biology, microbiology, 
chemistry, genetics, virus’ etc will probably pick holes in my silly 
explanation but the kid actually acted like he learned something.  He 
is not spouting anti vax stuff at work any more.  Have not asked him 
if he got the vax but I hope.

*From:* Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Friday, July 23, 2021 11:24 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political
That assumes IQ==Comon sense.  Lots of smart people can be really dumb 
when it comes to sports, religon, and politics.   It seems a 
subset**of people have convinced themselves that vaccines, and 
specifically the covid vaccines, are somehow a liberal thing.
On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 11:28 AM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:


If the covid variants kill only unvaccinated, then global IQ
average will increase, right?  Always good when your team wins.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it a full moon or something

[Jay Weekley]

Or Bluetooth?

Adam Moffett wrote:


What does the bed do that it needs WiFi?  Is it really just for the 
remote control?  Why would they not use a UHF or IR remote? Makes no 
sense.  Did they save $1.23 by using a general purpose single board 
computer with wifi?


I'm going to make a botnet out of adjustable beds and use it to mine 
bitcoins.  I'm betting the beds have surplus computing power.



On 6/23/2021 2:42 PM, James Howard wrote:


You expect someone with an internet connected bed NOT to think a 
Mikrotik is inferior?


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Jay Weekley
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 23, 2021 11:54 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it a full moon or something

We had a call where the customers bed wouldn't connect to our router.
The beds customer support said that our Mikrotrik router was inferior
and that was the problem.

Josh Luthman wrote:
> Your TV isn't connecting. Please contact your ISP.
>
> Your phone isn't turning on. Please contact your ISP.
>
> Your refrigerator isn't connected to the Samsung Delivery System.
> Please contact your ISP.
>
> Josh Luthman
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>
> On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 11:07 AM Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>

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> Because it's easier to get on the phone than it is to walk ALL THE
> WAY
> to the equipment room.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 6/22/2021 9:08 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> > 2 cases this morning, Business customers calling that they have no
> > internet. On both of them, it was a failed UPS Unit, and multiple
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it a full moon or something

[Jay Weekley]

My unpublished remarks were to ask the customer to reboot the bed. If 
that didn't work then upgrade the firmware.  If that didn't work then 
send it back to Ubiquiti.


James Howard wrote:


You expect someone with an internet connected bed NOT to think a 
Mikrotik is inferior?


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Jay Weekley
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 23, 2021 11:54 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it a full moon or something

We had a call where the customers bed wouldn't connect to our router.
The beds customer support said that our Mikrotrik router was inferior
and that was the problem.

Josh Luthman wrote:
> Your TV isn't connecting. Please contact your ISP.
>
> Your phone isn't turning on. Please contact your ISP.
>
> Your refrigerator isn't connected to the Samsung Delivery System.
> Please contact your ISP.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> Suite 1337
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>
> On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 11:07 AM Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>

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>
> Because it's easier to get on the phone than it is to walk ALL THE
> WAY
> to the equipment room.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 6/22/2021 9:08 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> > 2 cases this morning, Business customers calling that they have no
> > internet. On both of them, it was a failed UPS Unit, and multiple
> > pieces of gear are down in their racks (severs/switches,etc)
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it a full moon or something

[Jay Weekley]

It was one of those adjustable beds I think I think.

Bill Prince wrote:
we had a customer with a "bed problem" too. It was quite a while ago 
and I don't remember the specifics, but i was: "Your bed is having 
connectivity issues?!?!"



bp


On 6/23/2021 9:53 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
We had a call where the customers bed wouldn't connect to our 
router.  The beds customer support said that our Mikrotrik router was 
inferior and that was the problem.


Josh Luthman wrote:

Your TV isn't connecting.  Please contact your ISP.

Your phone isn't turning on.  Please contact your ISP.

Your refrigerator isn't connected to the Samsung Delivery System.  
Please contact your ISP.


Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 11:07 AM Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Because it's easier to get on the phone than it is to walk ALL THE
WAY
to the equipment room.


bp


On 6/22/2021 9:08 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> 2 cases this morning, Business customers calling that they 
have no
> internet.  On both of them, it was a failed UPS Unit, and 
multiple
> pieces of gear are down in their racks (severs/switches,etc) 
How can

> you not notice that all of the blinking lights that are usually
> blinking are not blinking?  I'm guessing it's also much quieter
than
> normal.  And how is the first thought that 'I'm going to call
the ISP
> because the internet isn't working' before even checking 
anything.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Is it a full moon or something

[Jay Weekley]

We had a call where the customers bed wouldn't connect to our router.  
The beds customer support said that our Mikrotrik router was inferior 
and that was the problem.


Josh Luthman wrote:

Your TV isn't connecting.  Please contact your ISP.

Your phone isn't turning on.  Please contact your ISP.

Your refrigerator isn't connected to the Samsung Delivery System.  
Please contact your ISP.


Josh Luthman
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On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 11:07 AM Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Because it's easier to get on the phone than it is to walk ALL THE
WAY
to the equipment room.


bp


On 6/22/2021 9:08 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> 2 cases this morning, Business customers calling that they have no
> internet.  On both of them, it was a failed UPS Unit, and multiple
> pieces of gear are down in their racks (severs/switches,etc) 
How can

> you not notice that all of the blinking lights that are usually
> blinking are not blinking?  I'm guessing it's also much quieter
than
> normal.  And how is the first thought that 'I'm going to call
the ISP
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Re: [AFMUG] McCown Tech surge suppressor compatibility

[Jay Weekley]

Good to know.  Thanks.

Mathew Howard wrote:

Yes... they'll work with pretty much anything.

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 2:26 PM Jay Weekley <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


24 and 48/50 volt?

Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> Too lazy to update it.  If you pick any part number with CAT6 in
it,
> it is compatible with everything.
>
> -Original Message----- From: Jay Weekley
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> Subject: [AFMUG] McCown Tech surge suppressor compatibility
>
> There used to be a compatibility chart on the website for which
> suppressor would work with which radios such as Ubiquiti/Cambium
versus
> Mimosa.  Am I missing it?
>
> https://www.mccowntech.com/product-category/surge-protectors/

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Re: [AFMUG] McCown Tech surge suppressor compatibility

[Jay Weekley]

24 and 48/50 volt?

Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Too lazy to update it.  If you pick any part number with CAT6 in it, 
it is compatible with everything.


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Subject: [AFMUG] McCown Tech surge suppressor compatibility

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suppressor would work with which radios such as Ubiquiti/Cambium versus
Mimosa.  Am I missing it?

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[AFMUG] McCown Tech surge suppressor compatibility

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There used to be a compatibility chart on the website for which 
suppressor would work with which radios such as Ubiquiti/Cambium versus 
Mimosa.  Am I missing it?


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Re: [AFMUG] WISPAMERICA COVID

[Jay Weekley]

What tornado?

Daniel White wrote:
I only had a alcoholic drink on Monday night and feel exhausted... but 
that might just be from trying to catch up from the show.


Also almost everyone that I spoke to that brought it up did say they 
were vaccinated.  I guess some will have to be disapointed it wasn't a 
super spreader event... well except for jokes about the tornado.


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Clearly only 99% effective.  Or the one guy didn't drink.

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May 6, 2021 at 12:15

It’s well-known that lots of alcohol prevents covid…

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*Date: *Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 6:36 AM
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*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WISPAMERICA COVID

No 'rona, but every morning I did wake up with a bad case of "I'm
getting too old for this".  Luckily only temporary symptoms.

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 4:11 PM Matt Hoppes
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> I'm just curious more than anything... did any of you that went to
> WISPAMERICA catch COVID?
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May 6, 2021 at 05:35
No 'rona, but every morning I did wake up with a bad case of "I'm
getting too old for this". Luckily only temporary symptoms.

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 4:11 PM Matt Hoppes

Matt Hoppes <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
May 5, 2021 at 14:10
I'm just curious more than anything... did any of you that went to 
WISPAMERICA catch COVID?








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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Jay Weekley]

I was wondering if everyone was going to be required by Wispa or whoever 
to where a mask etc.


Robert wrote:
That answer would be totally ignoring the question.   Texas isn't a 
mask requirement state and what numbers they are reporting might not 
have any relationship to the actual state of the disease at the time 
of the conference.  Wear a mask, maintain distance, don't eat indoors 
or go to bars.   Don't touch your face with your hands unless you have 
disinfected your hands.   Remember how well they prepared for an ice 
storm for their citizens.  Remember that their representatives get out 
of town when there are problems in town.



On 4/1/21 5:46 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:

Don't lick the doorknobs.  You'll be fine.

Texas' numbers are way down and will be further down by the time the 
show rolls around.


Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 6:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

Does anyone know what the Covid guidelines for the conference are?

Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...

We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business travel
before June 1st, unless something major changed. So we didn't make
any plans.   Part of what we were waiting for was for either cases to
settle down a lot more than they are even now, OR to be immunized to
reduce my risk factors down to where I was more comfortable in 
attending.


As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to go as both
Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks before the
show.  But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not really possible to get
everything together that quickly to attend.Plus we have some
internal projects in progress we would have to put on hold which can't
really be put on hold at this point.   So we're going to have to miss
this one.

Assuming everything continues trending in the right direction, we'll
be in vegas.   We also have a show in I think August that we're
planning on attending.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:

 Im waiting for vegas show


 On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know I'll be
 there.  Be nice to see people in person finally.

 Josh Luthman
 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White mailto:dwh...@atheral.com>> wrote:

 Sam,

 I'll be there.  I think turn-out will be pretty good all
 things considering... but probably 2017-2018 type attendance
 levels than what WISPA was projecting for WISPAmerica 2020
 before it was canceled.

 WA historically has been the "engineering" show. Deeper
 dives.  An "Animal Farm" track (vendors doing their deep
 dives like the old and much cherished Animal Farm shows).
 Turn-out is always smaller because there are less
 business/accounting/HR focused tracks.

 Obviously the circumstances could be better - but WA has a
 very different feel than WISPAPALOOZA.  I love both shows
 (and I'm not just saying that).

 photograph
 Daniel White
 Co-Founder
 phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766


 Sam Lambie <mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>
 March 30, 2021 at 14:00
 Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if there
 will be a crowd or a ghost town in Grapevine TX.
 I've been to the LV WISPaPalooza shows a couple of times, is
 this any more informative and better organized or??



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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Jay Weekley]

Does anyone know what the Covid guidelines for the conference are?

Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall...

We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business travel 
before June 1st, unless something major changed. So we didn't make 
any plans.   Part of what we were waiting for was for either cases to 
settle down a lot more than they are even now, OR to be immunized to 
reduce my risk factors down to where I was more comfortable in attending.


As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to go as both 
Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks before the 
show.  But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not really possible to get 
everything together that quickly to attend.Plus we have some 
internal projects in progress we would have to put on hold which can't 
really be put on hold at this point.   So we're going to have to miss 
this one.


Assuming everything continues trending in the right direction, we'll 
be in vegas.   We also have a show in I think August that we're 
planning on attending.


On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:


Im waiting for vegas show


On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Definitely time to go to an actual show and I know I'll be
there.  Be nice to see people in person finally.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:26 PM Daniel White mailto:dwh...@atheral.com>> wrote:

Sam,

I'll be there.  I think turn-out will be pretty good all
things considering... but probably 2017-2018 type attendance
levels than what WISPA was projecting for WISPAmerica 2020
before it was canceled.

WA historically has been the "engineering" show. Deeper
dives.  An "Animal Farm" track (vendors doing their deep
dives like the old and much cherished Animal Farm shows). 
Turn-out is always smaller because there are less

business/accounting/HR focused tracks.

Obviously the circumstances could be better - but WA has a
very different feel than WISPAPALOOZA.  I love both shows
(and I'm not just saying that).

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766


Sam Lambie <mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>
March 30, 2021 at 14:00
Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if there
will be a crowd or a ghost town in Grapevine TX.
I've been to the LV WISPaPalooza shows a couple of times, is
this any more informative and better organized or??



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Alabama

[Jay Weekley]

  
  
I am not sure if I have ever seen lightning like I saw yesterday
morning.  One tornado was on the ground for about 100 miles. 

https://www.al.com/news/2021/03/shelby-county-storm-damage-no-injuries-reported-buildings-damaged-us-280-blocked-by-trees.html

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Re: [AFMUG] OT I am invincible

[Jay Weekley]

I'm a lesbian in a mans body.  Somehow it works out.

Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Yep, I realized that I have been a lesbian all along...
*From:* Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Saturday, February 27, 2021 1:01 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I am invincible
In Canada we have our branches of the crazy anti-mask / anti-vaxxers / 
wannabe-Qanon as well, luckily they seem to be much smaller than your 
problems, and not as embedded in our politics.
Chuck, now that you have the vaccine, are you feeling any new urges? 
https://www.advocate.com/health/2021/2/10/qanons-latest-loony-conspiracy-covid-19-vaccines-turn-people-gay

On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 1:20 PM Robert  wrote:

Yeah, that is the only way it works with the anti-science bend
currently raging as bad as the pandemic throughout the US these
days.  Makes me want to move to Canada...

On 2/27/21 10:01 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


I think the whole mask thing is to prevent the weirdness that
would happen when a non-masked vaccer encounters a masked
non-vaccer. Until we reach a point where we think we are knocking
it out, it's best for everyone to wear a mask to avoid the
confusion. That is what I've heard from Tony.

bp

On 2/27/2021 9:11 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

Except ol Fauci keeps saying you're not safe, you still need to
wear your two masks, you're still at risk of catching it, you're
still at risk of spreading it.
Pretty excited about J, looks like their single shot will be
approved forthwith. We have a syringe shortage now so that will
help. Europe is starting to say astra zenica isnt protecting
people over 65, odd that it knows ages.
My dads going ice fishing in wisconsin with his buddy in a
couple weeks, his buddy got some strings pulled to get his 2
shots out of l eftovers. He was super concerned cause everybody
packs the restaraunts in the mornings and the evenings so hes
more comfortable. He runs an hvac company though so I dont know
how he hasnt caught it, I think hvac guys must be exposed to
everything in its decayed state that they get dead virus
immunizations on everything anyway. He cut me a break on a
replacement furnace motor monday, my squirrel cage was covered
in decades of grime and disease from the house. Guaranteed there
was some dead covid proteins in there from when we all had it.
I should have kept the motor and charged people 10 bucks a pop
to lick it for immunity.
On Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 10:42 AM Chuck McCown via AF
 wrote:

Nice to think that of all the things the will ultimately do
us in, Covid probably is not going to be it now.
*From:* Bill Prince
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Congratulations! We are going in for #2 on Wednesday. After
we got #1, we both felt massive relief. When we passed the 2
week mark (when immunity is supposed to start kicking in, we
felt another little morale boost. I suspect we will be
feeling a bit like you after Wednesday.

bp


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Got my second shot yesterday.  Woo Hoo!  Feeling less
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Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

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Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Wire Dish @ 1km

[Jay Weekley]

What is the maximum distance for the AF60LR?  Ubiquiti makes some pretty 
wild claims as usual.


Mathew Howard wrote:
At 1km it won't drop much, but it will still drop occasionally. 
Ubiquiti AF60LR will do a bit better than the other options, because 
it can use the higher channels.


On Fri, Feb 19, 2021, 2:16 PM Dev <mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com>> wrote:


700 meter Ignitenet MetroLinq PTP60-35 running around -48dbm
during clear day says it will do >2.5Gbps with this RSSI, these
things do a ton of bandwidth. It hangs in there surprisingly well
during rain unless it’s really DUMPING rain. I think during normal
or heavy rain it’s still in the mid to high 50’s. Doesn’t seem to
use the 5GHz backup much, but traffic drops off fast when you do.
I have another link doing 1.3km, much worse in heavy rain, but
very impressive throughput when it’s not raining, surprisingly.

> On Feb 19, 2021, at 11:51 AM, Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> We havent dealt with 60ghz other than as an outside contractor
so ive never looked at performance directly. At 1 km what kind of
fade are we talking in a normal rain shower, and in a downpour?
> We have had pretty good luck with af24 over the years but need
more capacity, the fade in 60ghz concerns me, and I never
understood the 60 ghz ones with 5ghz backup. its like a cruise
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Re: [AFMUG] OT old timer question

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Like this PSA?  Of course I went looking for blasting caps after I saw it.

Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
When I was young they had posters at grade school showing us what 
blasting caps looked like and to tell a grup if we saw any.  I think 
there may have been tv commercials too. Just piqued my interest.  
Maybe it was due to growing up in logging country in Oregon.  Did they 
do this in other places too?
I found the lock open on an explosives locker at the county gravel pit 
and played with caps and sticks of dynamite.  I never had the guts to 
actually try to set it off but I took them out and messed with them.
Couple of farm kids in the area got into their dads caps and it killed 
one of them and blinded the other.

I wonder when this ceased to be a thing?
The big display boards they brought into JR High showing all the 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT COVID vax

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Expensive Cambium parts

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A long time ago I used cheap non ratcheting crimpers and ruined a number 
ports on a patch panel because I didn't completely squeeze the grips.


Nate Burke wrote:
One of my installers says that if they don't ratchet, they're no 
good.  I've been using the cheap Monoprice crimpers without a problem. 
I think good quality ends are more important.  It's been a couple 
years since I've bought ends though.   (I bought a bunch)


On 2/1/2021 3:38 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:
What crimpers are connectors are en vogue these days.  As tech-proof 
as possible.  We seem to go through phases where we end up with a lot 
of ethernet cable related performance issues / service calls.


On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 3:35 PM Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I would want more than that for that kind of price.

I would want to be able to leave the connectors and cable in the
room; walk out, and walk back in a few minutes later with the
ends all crimped with heat shrink, and Velcro ties holding the
new cables in a nice, neat loop.


bp


On 2/1/2021 11:45 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

Just came across these.  For that price I better be able to just
shove a bare Cat5 in one side, and have a heat shrinked end come
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit

[Jay Weekley]

Democrats had one job to win the last election and that was to nominate 
someone less despicable than Donald Trump and they picked Hillary 
Clinton.  What were they thinking?


Jaime Solorza wrote:
Did you just hear his tweeter video bullshit? Fuck Trump... Kruchev 
predicted it... Trump enabled it.


Go ahead and get off this list
Fuck Trump and his Trumpicans...
This is an Insurrection..Rudy called for trial by combat, Trump said 
it was going to be wild ...

So fuck them to hell.

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 2:11 PM Steve Jones <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


IKR, slides biden is demanding potus go on national TV to quell
it, unlike during the biden obama administration when he
didnt demand the same. god this is funny. sad they havent shot
more of these mopes today and historically

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jaime Solorza
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WTF...third world country tactics...
Insurrection...
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Online backups.

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It's for my home computer.

Steven Kenney wrote:
Been using S3 and glacier for some things.  Depends what you want to 
back up though.  Entire VM's?  Files? Microsoft servers?


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[AFMUG] OT: Online backups.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Jay Weekley]

I just filter posts by "OT".  If I decide I care what someones political 
beliefs are I have them in a handy folder.  Usually I don't.


Craig House wrote:
I thought There used to be a policy against any political posts in 
this email  group.  I miss the days this list was useful for problems 
with equipment and networks.  These days 95% of emails I delete before 
I even look at the content.


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:08, Adam Moffett  wrote:



My brothers are in the Trump camp.  They thought he was a liar and an 
asshole, but voted for him anyway because they've bought into the 
"Democrats are communists" story. They're not crying as such, but 
they are experiencing an undue amount of anger.  It's not actually 
funny to poke at them. None of the right-wing hate memes are funny 
either, but nobody is actually posting those on this list.


We're all grown-assed adults here.


On 12/14/2020 8:24 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] OT HR question

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Re: [AFMUG] Covid

[Jay Weekley]

https://www.gmesupply.com/Search?pageStart=0=16=Score=0=mask=KN95#

Matt Hoppes wrote:

Powecom KN95


On Nov 17, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:



I also saw an article in the newspaper recently that explained how 
the different types of masks work.  Strangely, nobody seems to 
explain this stuff.


A mask made of woven cotton does a good job of catching small and 
large particles, through 2 different mechanisms.  But medium size 
particles tend to get through.


That’s where an N95 mask is superior, for 2 reasons.  They are made 
from a non woven material with random fibers, plus they are treated 
to be electrostatically charged so the particles are attracted and 
stick.  Sounds like if you are trying to protect yourself, N95 is the 
way to go.  Good luck finding one.


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https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52446965

Very good article, little to none of the politically driven nonsense.

Was curious cause I had it 2 weeks ago, took care of my mom most of 
last week and this weekend and picked dad up from the hospital 
(remdesivir for the win). Now I'm getting sick again.


Turns out, I likely never got rid of it. Mom keeps getting very low 
fevers but otherwise feels well.


Heres a tidbit, a percent of people can often smell flu and fever, 
particularly in peoples hair, probably a distress pheromone we put 
off. My dad and I can. Turns out, there is a mild odor to the Rona, 
best description I can make is smokey poop that it smells like. I 
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Re: [AFMUG] VPN Issue

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What would cause the issue?

James Howard wrote:


If it’s a remote employee connecting to their workplace you can pretty 
much guarantee that the response will be “my IT people said it’s my 
ISP, there’s NO problems on their end”………


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I suppose having the customer complain to their VPN provider is 
totally out of the question?



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> From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies"  
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> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
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> Subject: [AFMUG] VPN Issue
>
> I have a customer that calls on a regular basis about her VPN being
> disconnected. I try use Ping Plotter and PathPing to test to the VPN
> end point.
>
> Usually I see a bunch of dropped packets at 4.69.207.21 which is a
> CenturyLink router. Not sure if that is the issue or not.
>
> Not sure what I can do with this. Tried explaining to her I don't own
> the whole Internet.
>
> 6 22ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 208.38.184.9
> 0/ 100 = 0% |
> 7 11ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% xe-10-2-2.bar1.tampa1.level3.net 
[4.53.172.41]

> 0/ 100 = 0% |
> 8 18ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ae-1-51.ear2.miami1.level3.net 
[4.69.207.21]

> 100/ 100 =100% |
> 9 --- 100/ 100 =100% 0/ 100 = 0% verizon-level3-miami1.level3.net 
[4.68.63.102]

> 0/ 100 = 0% |
> 10 --- 100/ 100 =100% 0/ 100 = 0% 
0.af0.tulyok13-mse01-aa-ie1.alter.net [140.222.6.223]

> 0/ 100 = 0% |
> 11 --- 100/ 100 =100% 0/ 100 = 0% 10.sub-69-83-99.myvzw.com 
[69.83.99.10]

> 0/ 100 = 0% |
> 12 --- 100/ 100 =100% 0/ 100 = 0% 155.sub-69-82-50.myvzw.com 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT.. yum breakfast

[Jay Weekley]

Well, what is everything and how was it cooked?  Looks like I see fried 
eggs and some kind of potato.


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Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting

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 additional steps, like downgrading
their speed or declining to do
upgrades, or requiring proof of
hardship?  I know this wasn’t
mandatory, but if we did it
voluntarily, should there be a time
limit?  And if at that point they are
6-12 months behind, do we write that
off rather than expecting they will
catch up?

It’s also interesting I see on cable
company forums issues about mask
refusal, both by techs and customers,
and even of customers who have Covid
but still want their Internet fixed. 
I hesitate to bring this up because it

has become a political or “freedom”
issue in a way that seatbelts or
smoking or wearing a yellow vest at a
grain elevator or even picking up
after your dog isn’t, and I’m tired of
being caught in the middle.  But take
the extreme case of a customer who
recently tested positive or the tech
gets there and strongly suspects
someone in the house is contagious, is
this really happening, and what is
your response?  At the beginning I
would ask when setting up every
appointment, has anyone in the house
tested positive, but I’ve come to
believe that’s pointless.

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Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting

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ng they will
catch up?

It’s also interesting I see on cable
company forums issues about mask
refusal, both by techs and customers,
and even of customers who have Covid
but still want their Internet fixed. 
I hesitate to bring this up because it

has become a political or “freedom”
issue in a way that seatbelts or
smoking or wearing a yellow vest at a
grain elevator or even picking up
after your dog isn’t, and I’m tired of
being caught in the middle.  But take
the extreme case of a customer who
recently tested positive or the tech
gets there and strongly suspects
someone in the house is contagious, is
this really happening, and what is
your response? At the beginning I
would ask when setting up every
appointment, has anyone in the house
tested positive, but I’ve come to
believe that’s pointless.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Local / Community FM Radio Station?

[Jay Weekley]

My partner Jay Fuller has one.  He'll see the email soon.

cg...@graytechsoftware.com wrote:


Does anyone here have experience setting up a small / local / 
community FM radio station?


I’m looking to understand the cost and equipment implications of doing 
so [from a minimalist perspective, I suppose]. I was asked to see if 
it would be technically possible for our town to do.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Salsa ingredients

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Cilantro?

Jaime Solorza wrote:

Here you go..
Ingredients: Diced Tomatoes, Roasted Green Chile, Roasted Red Chile, 
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Re: [AFMUG] The covid, again

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A 53 year old classmate has been in the hospital for over a month. The 
status updates from this week were that he was off of the vent and able 
to sit in a chair for 10 minutes.


Jaime Solorza wrote:

We lost a relative's husband to it yesterday...31 years old...
Stay safe... don't listen to idiots, it kills.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020, 10:46 PM Steve Jones <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


So, I have a probable covid positive contractor.
I know the answer here, I'm just sounding it out.
I'm behind as fuck with this guys work. I worked with him last
weekend, I've been sick with harvest flu since a couple days
before, his daughter tested positive the next day, his wife and
other daughter the day after that and he got sick wednesday.
Everybody is over symptoms (wife and daughter still have no taste
or smell, but that lasts a long time)
My harvest flu symptoms havent changed, not worried about me.

Hes wanting to catch up behind work saturday. I'm usually very
risk tolerant, and my house has been directly exposed a ton of
times, so I know it's not as easily spread as they say.
Its mid harvest, a farmer getting this shit right now could be
devastating.

Its gonna cost us alot if he doesnt get caught up, a substantial
amount. Like 80 customer site loss substantial. We arent big,
that's more than 5 percent.

My boss respects me after all these years, if I make a call,
knowing the costs like this, he will back my call, but it burns
all those years of trust.

Theres like a .0001 percent chance he would spread it, zero direct
interaction. But hes present at grain elevators mid harvest. Grain
dust will drop anything airborne like a rock. It takes an exposure
to a high viral count to even get symptomatic.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Cobra Kai

[Jay Weekley]

My thoughts too. I'm sure I'm not the only person that was wondering 
where the pads and mouth guards were.  But, I'm enjoying it otherwise if 
only to relive the 80's.


Adam Moffett wrote:
I was wondering where they put teenagers into full contact karate 
tournaments.  Surely not in the USA, land of the lawsuit.


On 9/8/2020 6:11 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
The karate is pretty bad and it seems like students are going from 
white belts to black and back again.


Steve Jones wrote:
I watched episode one out of nostalgia, figured it would be a lame 
reboot, we ended up watching both seasons, my daughter even put down 
her phone. Turns out danielsan is a real dickhead. I do take issue 
with black belts being obtained in a couple months, Thats kind of 
insulting to people who worked their way up. I never progressed past 
the white. I dont think I got past stance. i like the mix of footage 
from the original movie, didnt realize it had gotten up to 4 movies 
plus the one with will smiths kid,


Seeing things through others eyes i think is mor understandable to 
older generations. I always thought I was bullied in high school, 
but as i got older and ran into people who were on my peripheral in 
HS they tell me they were afraid of me because i bullied people. 
looking back I see how it could be taken that way, my bullying was 
with words and little violence, but it appears that lasts a whole 
lot longer.


Will be really cool if this bursts a resurgence in interest in 
martial arts, not UFC. I dont think karen will let her kid be kicked 
though.


I had a baseball coach that turned nice kids into assholes so i 
could see a contact sport coach/sensei having more impact.


Cant wait for season 3

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 3:52 PM Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I got through season 1 of Cobra Kai on Neflix over the long
weekend.  I expected a corny reboot of an 80's franchise...but
it's quite a bit smarter than that.

Likes:

Reviewing the Karate Kid story through the eyes of the
antagonist.  Danny Larusso was certainly not blameless in that
story.  The other guy's perspective is worth considering.

The role reversals.  Johnny Lawrence was the typical teen movie
antagonist in Karate Kid.  A selfish, affluent jock. Danny Laruso
was the poor, nice guy, underdog.  The series starts with Danny as
the afluent, selfish, jerk and Johnny as a poor//underdog. Except
really I think we see that everyone is capable of being both the
nice guy and the jerk.  Episode by episode each of them plays
protagonist and antagonist in turn.

Maybe a spoiler, but the "Cobra Kai" style of no nonsense, no
quitting, no being a pussy, no being afraid is shown to elevate
some nerdy kids into being able to stand up for themselves. By
the end of the season some of them have turned it up to 11 and
gone all the way to being bullies themselves.  I like these
perspective shifts. Sometimes we're each the bully or the bullied,
and I think that's worth being reminded of.


Dislikes:

I'm not a sociologist or anything, but I question whether the mean
drill sergeant karate teacher can really turn nice kids into
assholes and the nice guy teacher can turn a delinquent into a
nice guy in the course of a few months.

Some melodrama.  Like over the top soap-opera situations. That
stuff makes me cringe and shake my head as I ponder the odds of it
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Caldo de res , arroz y chile verde

[Jay Weekley]

Is there any roasting or boiling of the tomatillos?

Jaime Solorza wrote:

Tomatillo

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 9:31 AM Jay Weekley <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


Green tomatoes or tomatillos?

Jaime Solorza wrote:
> Here you go Jaycut the head off 6-9 fresh jalapenos, hot leave
> everything inside, mild - clean out inside..
> Place the jalapenos in blender with some water, and small piece of
> garlic, salt and two small green tomatoes without a stem.
Blend...and
> pour in bowl
> Goes well with just about anything...I add small piece of muenster
> cheese to it sometimes...you can add avocado as well for different
> taste and or red tomatoes...
> Enjoy
>
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> Is there a recipe for the chili sauce?
>
> Jaime Solorza wrote:
> > Nope..same
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020, 9:13 PM Steve Jones
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> > Is mexican muenster different than deli muenster and is it
> smoked?
> > I like it with a dry smoked rind, I'm not sure if you're
> supposed
> > to eat the rind though
> >
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> > Marty cooked this up todaythe green chile
sauce was
> > hot...the meat was super tender... yum
yum...added some
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Caldo de res , arroz y chile verde

[Jay Weekley]

Green tomatoes or tomatillos?

Jaime Solorza wrote:
Here you go Jaycut the head off 6-9 fresh jalapenos, hot leave 
everything inside, mild - clean out inside..
Place the jalapenos in blender with some water, and small piece of 
garlic, salt and two small green tomatoes without a stem. Blend...and 
pour in bowl
Goes well with just about anything...I add small piece of muenster 
cheese to it sometimes...you can add avocado as well for different 
taste and or red tomatoes...

Enjoy

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Is there a recipe for the chili sauce?

Jaime Solorza wrote:
> Nope..same
>
> On Sun, Sep 6, 2020, 9:13 PM Steve Jones
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> Is mexican muenster different than deli muenster and is it
smoked?
> I like it with a dry smoked rind, I'm not sure if you're
supposed
> to eat the rind though
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> Marty cooked this up todaythe green chile sauce was
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Cobra Kai

[Jay Weekley]

The karate is pretty bad and it seems like students are going from white 
belts to black and back again.


Steve Jones wrote:
I watched episode one out of nostalgia, figured it would be a lame 
reboot, we ended up watching both seasons, my daughter even put down 
her phone. Turns out danielsan is a real dickhead. I do take issue 
with black belts being obtained in a couple months, Thats kind of 
insulting to people who worked their way up. I never progressed past 
the white. I dont think I got past stance. i like the mix of footage 
from the original movie, didnt realize it had gotten up to 4 movies 
plus the one with will smiths kid,


Seeing things through others eyes i think is mor understandable to 
older generations. I always thought I was bullied in high school, but 
as i got older and ran into people who were on my peripheral in HS 
they tell me they were afraid of me because i bullied people. looking 
back I see how it could be taken that way, my bullying was with words 
and little violence, but it appears that lasts a whole lot longer.


Will be really cool if this bursts a resurgence in interest in martial 
arts, not UFC. I dont think karen will let her kid be kicked though.


I had a baseball coach that turned nice kids into assholes so i could 
see a contact sport coach/sensei having more impact.


Cant wait for season 3

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 3:52 PM Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I got through season 1 of Cobra Kai on Neflix over the long
weekend.  I expected a corny reboot of an 80's franchise...but
it's quite a bit smarter than that.

Likes:

Reviewing the Karate Kid story through the eyes of the
antagonist.  Danny Larusso was certainly not blameless in that
story.  The other guy's perspective is worth considering.

The role reversals.  Johnny Lawrence was the typical teen movie
antagonist in Karate Kid.  A selfish, affluent jock.  Danny Laruso
was the poor, nice guy, underdog.  The series starts with Danny as
the afluent, selfish, jerk and Johnny as a poor//underdog.  Except
really I think we see that everyone is capable of being both the
nice guy and the jerk.  Episode by episode each of them plays
protagonist and antagonist in turn.

Maybe a spoiler, but the "Cobra Kai" style of no nonsense, no
quitting, no being a pussy, no being afraid is shown to elevate
some nerdy kids into being able to stand up for themselves.  By
the end of the season some of them have turned it up to 11 and
gone all the way to being bullies themselves.  I like these
perspective shifts. Sometimes we're each the bully or the bullied,
and I think that's worth being reminded of.


Dislikes:

I'm not a sociologist or anything, but I question whether the mean
drill sergeant karate teacher can really turn nice kids into
assholes and the nice guy teacher can turn a delinquent into a
nice guy in the course of a few months.

Some melodrama.  Like over the top soap-opera situations.  That
stuff makes me cringe and shake my head as I ponder the odds of it
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jay Fuller turns 50 today?

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I think it's higher than that.

Mike Hammett wrote:

50?! Holy cow, that's old!




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Caldo de res , arroz y chile verde

[Jay Weekley]

Is there a recipe for the chili sauce?

Jaime Solorza wrote:

Nope..same

On Sun, Sep 6, 2020, 9:13 PM Steve Jones <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Is mexican muenster different than deli muenster and is it smoked?
I like it with a dry smoked rind, I'm not sure if you're supposed
to eat the rind though

On Sun, Sep 6, 2020, 4:26 PM Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Marty cooked this up todaythe green chile sauce was
hot...the meat was super tender... yum yum...added some
muenster cheese, flour tortillas and bubbly... I have gained 6
lbs since eye operation
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Re: [AFMUG] OT fired a guy

[Jay Weekley]

Are you still responsible for his safety?  What if he "trips" on 
something and is "injured"?


ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
My supervisor fired a problem employee at a construction site this 
morning.  We have had lots of problems with this guy and I was glad to 
see him go.  We hauled him to the job site and now he wants someone to 
take him back to our office to get his vehicle.  I cannot spare a 
person or vehicle at that site.  I don’t want to send someone special 
over to that site to haul him.  Both the supervisor and I told him he 
can sit on the side of the street until we are done for the day and we 
will take him back.
He has his brother now calling and threatening police action, saying 
it is Utah law that you have to give him a ride.
Not sure about that.  If he was not such a dick I would have probably 
sent someone to get him.  I don’t want to do it, I don’t want to send 
any of the women.
Anyone every heard that you have a legal duty to immediately transport 
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Re: [AFMUG] COVID Exposure and the real world

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something,
even though theyre really not effective and come fall theyll
be massive bacterial breeding grounds. But there is due
diligence, and I think this plan of attack is pretty
reasonable. It mitigates any risk while allowing us to
maintain productivity (assuming no symptoms or positive
tests). It feels like its something with minimal major company
impact and id easy to replicate given that my spouse works in
healthcare and this likely wont be the last high risk
exposure. But I still am not matt hoppes level.
At this time, I havent had any "exposure" but there is a
probable looming exposure. I'm personally relieved that its
probably in my house now, and we have time to prepare for the
inevitable. Im high risk because of COPD, so theres that, but
Ive already made right with that. Id rather just get it over
with, I had planned to get exposed a while back to get past it
but got that plan taken out from under me.
We may "luck out" and this exposure was a near miss, but if
transmissibility is anywhere near what the politics say it is,
this ones all but certain.
I think the 6 day window is a logical one to increase
precautions until we are past it. I think the non contact
addresses any risk to coworkers. I think the timeframe between
shared surface/inventory contact is reasonable and "science
based". and after 14 days from the last exposure (she was
exposed over two consecutive 12 hour shifts) is a good window
for increased precautions to be in play, with a review and
swap test at the drive through site nearby.
anybody but matt have any thoughts on this plan. I really
think its more than what is actually needed, but meets the
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Re: [AFMUG] Radio Mobile help

[Jay Weekley]

Yep.  It's checked and green.

Brian Webster wrote:


You might have the land cover turned on or off. Go to options -> 
Toolbar and this window shows up, check the landcover option and then 
it should show green when active on the toolbar, red when off.


Landcover on:

Landcover off:

Thank you,

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Do any Radio Mobile experts know why I sometimes have tree coverage 
when I use the radio link option and sometimes I don't?  We have at 
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Re: [AFMUG] Radio Mobile help

[Jay Weekley]

It's unpredictable.  I am getting the "failed to connect the internet" 
when it's loading.


Colin Stanners wrote:

Could you take 2 screenshots, one of when it's working, one when it's not?

Is all your landcover data cached/downloaded to your PC so that it 
doesn't need to re-download every time, possibly failing if the server 
is busy?


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[AFMUG] Radio Mobile help

[Jay Weekley]

  
  
Do any Radio Mobile experts know why I sometimes have tree coverage
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Re: [AFMUG] OT movie

[Jay Weekley]

Was that about the Killdozier?

Chuck McCown wrote:

Just watched “Tread”. Very interesting.  I got me a bulldozer and a welding 
shop too.  Now, who am I pissed off at?

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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: David busch

[Jay Weekley]

I think he's more active in Wisp related Facebook groups.

Jaime Solorza wrote:

I saw this as wellI had never heard of him.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 10:07 PM Steve Jones <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


This has been floating around the wisp

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 from brain aneurysm

[Jay Weekley]

Who was the perv?

Steve Jones wrote:

Bad time for mythbusters between his death and the perv

On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 12:37 PM Jay Weekley <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


If he had any last thoughts before he died I'm sure he didn't regret
worrying more or being angry more.

Jaime Solorza wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Grant Imahara dies at 49 from brain aneurysm

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If he had any last thoughts before he died I'm sure he didn't regret 
worrying more or being angry more.


Jaime Solorza wrote:

RIP

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Might be political - trigger warning

[Jay Weekley]

ed him.

I presume the same justifications apply.

I wonder how often someone with a weapon does harm after evading
the cops.

I wonder how other countries confront the same problem.

If a human gets scared and runs due to uncontrolled fear, should
they be shot?

I was only truly scared once in my life.  Was in a bank robbery.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Might be political - trigger warning

[Jay Weekley]

I had a local deputy take me through the Alabama law enforcement 
firearms qualification test.  The cue to shoot was the word "threat".  
You point a something that may be a gun and the reflexes engage I am sure.


Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
That taser actually had two shots.  The dude shot them both at the 
same time.  Not sure how the cop was supposed to figured that out in a 
split second.


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I think every situation is different. I also believe the police, in 
general, have been given more slack than they should for quite some 
time. The issue is how to deal with this. I do not envy cops. I have 
a nephew who is a cop, and I worry about him all the time.


One of the more recent cases was an individual who was resisting 
arrest. He grabbed, and fired a taser. As I understand it, most 
tasers are one-and-done. IOW, once the taser has been fired, the only 
"weapon" characteristics it has are as a thrown projectile. That 
individual was running away, and was shot in the back. Was that 
justified? I would have a hard time accepting that as a justified 
homicide. But that is only one example.


With the proliferation of cameras everywhere, this sort of thing is 
going to come up more and more.



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On 7/10/2020 9:32 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I am largely ignorant of the issues faced in world of law enforcement.
And perhaps this is a broader philosophical question with no clear 
answers.
A guy, alone at night, in a city, near the location of a reported 
armed robbery is confronted by cops, takes off running.
He drops what appears to be a gun, picks it up and keeps running, 
should he be shot?
I understand that he may take a hostage or start shooting or 
whatever.  He may turn the gun on the cops.
I remember old cop and robber movies when I was a kid where the cop 
would yell “stop or I’ll shoot”.
We had the above situation happen here in Utah a while back.  Cops 
were found to have done no wrong.

People are understandably upset.
A few years ago, a young man playing with a sword was stopped by 
cops, he took off running with the sword and they shot and killed him.

I presume the same justifications apply.
I wonder how often someone with a weapon does harm after evading the 
cops.

I wonder how other countries confront the same problem.
If a human gets scared and runs due to uncontrolled fear, should 
they be shot?

I was only truly scared once in my life.  Was in a bank robbery.
I understand that your rational thinking goes out the window a bit 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Might be political - trigger warning

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Will's muzzle discipline is concerning.


Charles Boening wrote:


LOL. Love that movie!

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Maybe this should be a police training video:

https://youtu.be/K3hAVT2sDqQ

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In the Atlanta case the suspect took a taser from the other officer.  
A taser that hadn’t been fired.  He turned and shot that taser at the 
office which prompted the office to shoot back.  You can see that in 
the video.


Not saying it was justified or not.  Just the fact that the suspect 
even though fleeing, turned and shot a weapon at the officer.


As for getting shot in the back, that’s easy if the suspect is running 
away and turns their torso a bit then extends their arm towards the 
officer giving chase. You can still have your back to the officer 
giving chase yet present a threat to that officer.


Note that this picture has the added benefit of daylight and is a 
training scenario so tensions wouldn’t be as high.  Also note that you 
can’t tell what kind of weapon the suspect has.  Is it real or fake?  
Can’t really tell.


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*On Behalf Of *Bill Prince

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I think every situation is different. I also believe the police, in 
general, have been given more slack than they should for quite some 
time. The issue is how to deal with this. I do not envy cops. I have a 
nephew who is a cop, and I worry about him all the time.


One of the more recent cases was an individual who was resisting 
arrest. He grabbed, and fired a taser. As I understand it, most tasers 
are one-and-done. IOW, once the taser has been fired, the only 
"weapon" characteristics it has are as a thrown projectile. That 
individual was running away, and was shot in the back. Was that 
justified? I would have a hard time accepting that as a justified 
homicide. But that is only one example.


With the proliferation of cameras everywhere, this sort of thing is 
going to come up more and more.


bp


On 7/10/2020 9:32 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I am largely ignorant of the issues faced in world of law
enforcement.

And perhaps this is a broader philosophical question with no clear
answers.

A guy, alone at night, in a city, near the location of a reported
armed robbery is confronted by cops, takes off running.

He drops what appears to be a gun, picks it up and keeps running,
should he be shot?

I understand that he may take a hostage or start shooting or
whatever.  He may turn the gun on the cops.

I remember old cop and robber movies when I was a kid where the
cop would yell “stop or I’ll shoot”.

We had the above situation happen here in Utah a while back.  Cops
were found to have done no wrong.

People are understandably upset.

A few years ago, a young man playing with a sword was stopped by
cops, he took off running with the sword and they shot and killed him.

I presume the same justifications apply.

I wonder how often someone with a weapon does harm after evading
the cops.

I wonder how other countries confront the same problem.

If a human gets scared and runs due to uncontrolled fear, should
they be shot?

I was only truly scared once in my life.  Was in a bank robbery.

I understand that your rational thinking goes out the window a bit
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Might be political - trigger warning

[Jay Weekley]

Is it a Taser or a gun he just pulled from his pants?  You have a half 
second to decide.


Charles Boening wrote:


In the Atlanta case the suspect took a taser from the other officer.  
A taser that hadn’t been fired.  He turned and shot that taser at the 
office which prompted the office to shoot back.  You can see that in 
the video.


Not saying it was justified or not.  Just the fact that the suspect 
even though fleeing, turned and shot a weapon at the officer.


As for getting shot in the back, that’s easy if the suspect is running 
away and turns their torso a bit then extends their arm towards the 
officer giving chase.  You can still have your back to the officer 
giving chase yet present a threat to that officer.


Note that this picture has the added benefit of daylight and is a 
training scenario so tensions wouldn’t be as high.  Also note that you 
can’t tell what kind of weapon the suspect has.  Is it real or fake?  
Can’t really tell.


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I think every situation is different. I also believe the police, in 
general, have been given more slack than they should for quite some 
time. The issue is how to deal with this. I do not envy cops. I have a 
nephew who is a cop, and I worry about him all the time.


One of the more recent cases was an individual who was resisting 
arrest. He grabbed, and fired a taser. As I understand it, most tasers 
are one-and-done. IOW, once the taser has been fired, the only 
"weapon" characteristics it has are as a thrown projectile. That 
individual was running away, and was shot in the back. Was that 
justified? I would have a hard time accepting that as a justified 
homicide. But that is only one example.


With the proliferation of cameras everywhere, this sort of thing is 
going to come up more and more.


bp


On 7/10/2020 9:32 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I am largely ignorant of the issues faced in world of law
enforcement.

And perhaps this is a broader philosophical question with no clear
answers.

A guy, alone at night, in a city, near the location of a reported
armed robbery is confronted by cops, takes off running.

He drops what appears to be a gun, picks it up and keeps running,
should he be shot?

I understand that he may take a hostage or start shooting or
whatever.  He may turn the gun on the cops.

I remember old cop and robber movies when I was a kid where the
cop would yell “stop or I’ll shoot”.

We had the above situation happen here in Utah a while back. Cops
were found to have done no wrong.

People are understandably upset.

A few years ago, a young man playing with a sword was stopped by
cops, he took off running with the sword and they shot and killed him.

I presume the same justifications apply.

I wonder how often someone with a weapon does harm after evading
the cops.

I wonder how other countries confront the same problem.

If a human gets scared and runs due to uncontrolled fear, should
they be shot?

I was only truly scared once in my life.  Was in a bank robbery.

I understand that your rational thinking goes out the window a bit
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Re: [AFMUG] American Girl Karen doll

[Jay Weekley]

I feel sorry for people actually named Karen.

Ken Hohhof wrote:


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Cessna 172

[Jay Weekley]

So, how did the story end?

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Again, someone loaded 4 fully grown adults into a 172.
Then they did something even more stupid, flew up a canyon in the 
summer in the mountains of Utah.
While a 172 may technically have 4 seats, it is horribly underpowered  
for that load.  It has a legal useful load with full fuel as low as 
425 to as high as 600 lbs depending on its model year and particular 
configuration.  So if each of the passengers weighed 125 lbs it may be 
legal to fly but still a stupid move.
People do this because a 172 is cheap to rent and they want to show 
off for friends.
Couple this massive mistake at take off with the fact that Utah is at 
altitude.  Planes behave much differently at sea level than in an area 
where the runway starts a mile high.  We have thin air.  Whenever I 
fly in a costal area I always feel like I am flying in thick air, it 
is nice.

Couple that with hot summer days when the air is even less dense.
And then, fly up a canyon, in the mountains.
You should always fly DOWN canyons.
Anytime you have to fly up a canyon (I would argue you never HAVE to 
fly up a canyon), you need to fly up the side of the canyon so that 
when you get that sick feeling that the terrain is rising faster than 
you can climb, you can do a steep descending turn into the canyon and 
reverse your course.
I don’t know where this guy learned to fly, but mountain flying is 
special and needs special attention during training.

If I rented out 172s I think I would just remove the rear seats.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Supper

[Jay Weekley]

Good to know.

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I have been known to lay a can on the exhaust manifold.  You do want 
to punch a vent hole in it first.


-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Supper

Chef Boyardi Beefaraoni was my lunch during a tower repair.  Cold.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Supper

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Chef Boyardi Beefaraoni was my lunch during a tower repair.  Cold.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

[Jay Weekley]

How did you fix the problem?

Chuck McCown wrote:

Yes, several.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:



I think that's a Western Rattlesnake, but it looks way too long. Is 
that more than one snake in there?



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: batcrazy

[Jay Weekley]

Scary looking.

Adam Moffett wrote:


A lot of us fawn over large vehicles .

What's an assault vehicle? Is it like an assault hammer?


On 6/16/2020 10:17 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Installed an 11GHz PTP link for Midland, Texas PD years ago ...they 
had a large military assault vehicle some officers were fawning 
over...felt like they were itching to use it...


On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 8:33 PM Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I think one of the things they want to do is de-militarize the
police. Local podunk PDs have no business buying million dollar
MRAPs.


bp


On 6/15/2020 7:29 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

the problem is the defund the police folks dont understand
economics. there isnt enough money as it is for maintaining the
police presence for the criminal side of things. taking that
money and paying for a bunch of counsellors doesnt lead to
having enough cops. Removing police from schools is a 1 percent
thing, the other 99 percent will pull their kids out without
resource officers. Mental health still will need police, they
dont go to a hot environment because they dont have arrest
powers if it goes downhill, and you dont want jonna the
counselor having to fight the loon.
They want to disarm the police. thats a big no, complete non
starter. They consider the bullet proof vests to be a mechanism
of intimidation, anyone who has actually had a vest do its job
would never let somebody else go in without one.
Maybe they try an actual wholistic approach, stop making
everything illegal, and you immediately have less criminals
stop overcharging for pleas, Mike flynn being an ally example I
wish they would recognize. The media says if he wasnt guilty,
why would he take a plea? I can find you thousands of young
black men who can answer that question without skipping a beat.
Get rid of plea bargains all together, make DAs actually work
for their conviction rates at trial, bet you see a less burdened
court and prison system right quick.
Prisons cost 30-70k annually per inmate. Thats a whole lot of
dough to put into those other programs, and over time that cost
goes down as guards age out and dont need to be replaced because
the cells are empty.

defund the police is targeting a symptom of a virus and giving
it an antibiotic (its the wrong treatment)

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 7:38 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

For many people, that seems to mean stop funding the police
to deal with issues like mental health, homelessness,
domestic disputes, street vendors, routine discipline in
schools, etc., and instead use that money to fund
specialists, and let the police handle murders and robberies
and stuff.

I had a discussion with someone who is all for defund the
police and I said if that’s what they mean, the term really
sucks, because it conveys something totally different and
many people are not going to support something that sounds
like disband the police and then nobody handles murders and
robberies.  Rather than saying reform the police, or narrow
their focus, or move some of their responsibilities to other
agencies.  But he said I was wrong, without really
explaining why I was wrong.  I think he meant we can call it
what we want to, who cares if it’s unnecessarily
provocative.  Or maybe he really does want to disband the
police.

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*Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2020 6:14 PM
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is it just the 'news' that I'm reading or are things really
going totally bathshitcrazy ?!? "de-fund the police"
 is just ONE thing.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: I need your HELP!

[Jay Weekley]

78 now.

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Done.
I had to see how many subs I had.  77
*From:* Gino A. Villarini
*Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2020 5:57 AM
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*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: I need your HELP!

Friends & Colleagues, Help me reach 100 subs on my Youtube channel so 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: I need your HELP!

[Jay Weekley]

I subscribed to you both.  I hadn't heard anything about the Brothers 
Wisp in a while.  Glad content is still being produced.


Jaime Solorza wrote:

I am 103!

On Fri, Jun 12, 2020, 7:53 AM Gino A. Villarini <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:


Done

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Mine too.  ;-)  Well, we alreadyh ave the custom URL, but
appreciate the subs anyway.  :-)

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - safe sex and Covid-19

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https://previews.123rf.com/images/lanych/lanych1802/lanych180210728/100128016-young-couple-kissing-in-medical-masks.jpg

Ken Hohhof wrote:


Luckily we have the Internet and researchers to provide guidance.  So 
if you’re going to engage in “in-person” sexual activity, wear a face 
mask, and don’t kiss.


https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/wearing-a-face-mask-during-sex-can-reduce-covid-19-transmission-say-doctors-212954769.html

  * any type of in-person sexual activity is a COVID-19 risk factor

  * Sexual activity with a person other than those with whom you’re
quarantining is considered the riskiest behavior — and the
researchers recommend wearing a face mask in that case.

  * Unfortunately, the virus is easily spread via respiratory
particles, making kissing a higher-risk behavior than other
intimate acts

  * Until this is better understood, it would be prudent to consider
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Re: [AFMUG] OT meridians

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Eating is easier than the other thing.

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

There is a point when your desire to eat lobster (insert favorite food)  is 
equal to your desire to have sex.  Not sure what that point would be called.  
Perhaps grown up, or not a kid anymore.  Then there is a point when your desire 
for Underwood Deviled Ham and Vienna Sausage is much stronger than your desire 
for sex.  Then there is a point where you cannot find the place you parked your 
desire for sex.  You wander around the parking lot, pressing the clicker and 
eventually find it but most times it is just not worth the search.

Nobody explains this stuff to young men.  Nor do they tell you that there will 
be moderate amounts of pain involved in just existing after a certain age.  The 
fingers hurt when grasping,  Shoulders hurt when sleeping.  The hips hurt when 
walking or attempting to get comfortable on a couch.  You wake up at 4:00 am 
and wish it was 6:00 so you could get up.  You wake up at 3:00 to pee no matter 
what you had to drink the prior evening.

You forget the same things you forgot when younger but now when it happens you 
are scared that you are becoming forgetful.
Hearing test is great but it seems like your language interpretation driver in 
your wetware loves to play word substitution tricks on you.

Would I want to be young again?  I would love to be able to ski a full day, eat 
whatever I wanted without worry about gaining weight or having heartburn or 
having A1C numbers climb.  I would like to be able to jump from the back of a 
truck to an asphalt surface without having my herniated disks make my life hell 
for 3 weeks afterwards.  But no, I like where I have ended up so far.  So I 
will watch Warren Miller ski movies and climb down from trucks and enjoy kids 
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