Re: [AFMUG] Hey Bill Prince
tnx From: Bill Prince Sent: Friday, June 7, 2024 5:12 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hey Bill Prince There is a Ghirardelli factory/shop near fisherman's wharf; not more than a block or two walk IIRC (but it's been a while since I went there). There's also fisherman's wharf and Pier 39 (not 49 if I remember correctly). As mentioned there is the Exploratorium, Steinhart Aquarium, Cal Academy, and Muir Woods to name just a handful of the big ones, but there are probably a couple dozen in and around the city. If you haven't done it, taking one of the ferry rides around the bay is a real treat; especially for someone who has never been there. In the south bay, there is Great America, the computer history museum, and Tech Interactive. I do like the Monterey Bay Aquarium, but I haven't been there in a while. bp On 6/7/2024 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Is there a Ghirardelli factory or store? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com Sent: Friday, June 7, 2024 1:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hey Bill Prince Thanks. Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Friday, June 7, 2024 11:58 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hey Bill Prince I'm not Bill, but I do have some recommendations based on my semi-frequent visits... First of all, don't forget to find a good, authentic mission style burrito somewhere along the way. If I find a specific place next weekend when I'm down there, I'll let you know. Santa Cruz is where I always think when I think about Northern California Beach with amusement park. There's an old time coin operated arcade/museum near pier 49 in San Francisco. My visits to that part of the world almost always contains a Boudin sourdough bread bowl with clam chowder in it from the Boudin bakery and then a walk over to the arcade, and then a walk over to the end of pier 49 to see the sea lions. Closer to the bay Bridge is the explotatorium which is a great science museum on one of the other piers. I usually try to arrange my visits for the adult only evenings but that won't apply for you. If I'm relying on public transportation (or just want the experience) you can take a cable car from mission and market up over the hill and down to basically the Boudin bakery. Then there are old time trolleys which service the route along the piers so I've been known to use the trolley to go from pier 49 to the exploratorium. Both myself and my wife were disappointed by the Monterey Bay aquarium, as in the one in the Salt Lake Valley might be better. Different critters, obviously and the Monterey bay aquarium has been around for quite some time. I'm sure this is because of how many aquariums and similar we've visited and that our expectations were higher than reality because of the reputation. I'm not saying don't go, just expect a smaller aquarium. On Fri, Jun 7, 2024, 10:23 AM wrote: Planning a 3 day largely unstructured excursion around the bay area with grand children and their DNA donors. Day 1 Computer Museum, Winchester House then thinking of heading toward Monterey for the clam chowder samples and perhaps the aquarium. This might stretch into the second day. Is there an amusement part in Half Moon Bay? I seem to remember some touristy stuff there. Then downtown SF, street cars, wharf with navy vessels and Bubba Gump shrimp, perhaps Alcatraz. Then ??? and home. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Propane vaporization
I had a copy of this chart once upon a time. Re constituted it: -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Hey Bill Prince
Thanks. Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Friday, June 7, 2024 11:58 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hey Bill Prince I'm not Bill, but I do have some recommendations based on my semi-frequent visits... First of all, don't forget to find a good, authentic mission style burrito somewhere along the way. If I find a specific place next weekend when I'm down there, I'll let you know. Santa Cruz is where I always think when I think about Northern California Beach with amusement park. There's an old time coin operated arcade/museum near pier 49 in San Francisco. My visits to that part of the world almost always contains a Boudin sourdough bread bowl with clam chowder in it from the Boudin bakery and then a walk over to the arcade, and then a walk over to the end of pier 49 to see the sea lions. Closer to the bay Bridge is the explotatorium which is a great science museum on one of the other piers. I usually try to arrange my visits for the adult only evenings but that won't apply for you. If I'm relying on public transportation (or just want the experience) you can take a cable car from mission and market up over the hill and down to basically the Boudin bakery. Then there are old time trolleys which service the route along the piers so I've been known to use the trolley to go from pier 49 to the exploratorium. Both myself and my wife were disappointed by the Monterey Bay aquarium, as in the one in the Salt Lake Valley might be better. Different critters, obviously and the Monterey bay aquarium has been around for quite some time. I'm sure this is because of how many aquariums and similar we've visited and that our expectations were higher than reality because of the reputation. I'm not saying don't go, just expect a smaller aquarium. On Fri, Jun 7, 2024, 10:23 AM wrote: Planning a 3 day largely unstructured excursion around the bay area with grand children and their DNA donors. Day 1 Computer Museum, Winchester House then thinking of heading toward Monterey for the clam chowder samples and perhaps the aquarium. This might stretch into the second day. Is there an amusement part in Half Moon Bay? I seem to remember some touristy stuff there. Then downtown SF, street cars, wharf with navy vessels and Bubba Gump shrimp, perhaps Alcatraz. Then ??? and home. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Hey Bill Prince
Planning a 3 day largely unstructured excursion around the bay area with grand children and their DNA donors. Day 1 Computer Museum, Winchester House then thinking of heading toward Monterey for the clam chowder samples and perhaps the aquarium. This might stretch into the second day. Is there an amusement part in Half Moon Bay? I seem to remember some touristy stuff there. Then downtown SF, street cars, wharf with navy vessels and Bubba Gump shrimp, perhaps Alcatraz. Then ??? and home. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] troubleshooting telco pairs
I totally forgot about those. Nice pots line stretchers. From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, June 7, 2024 6:33 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] troubleshooting telco pairs Yes that’s definitely a thing. Did it with Sipura SPA ATA’s a long time ago. Those don’t exist anymore, so I don’t know what hardware to get today, but yes absolutely. -Adam From: AF On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2024 11:25 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] troubleshooting telco pairs I think you can make a virtual pots line using an FXO and FXS adapters over ip On Wed, Jun 5, 2024, 7:58 AM wrote: You can kinda sniff along the wire. I would tie the pairs together at the far end and put the tone on it. But the age old method is to cut it in the middle and see which direction the fault lies. Ground each wire at the far end in sequence and identify the problem wire. Keep cutting the bad half. Binary chopping. You might be able to put tone on one wire to ground and sniff, or open the jacked at a mid point etc. Find someone with an old fashioned copper TDR. Do you only have 2 wire available? Does it read open circuit or does it have some leakage, shorts or grounds? Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2024 8:44 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] troubleshooting telco pairs Oddly, the customer’s IT guy does have Ethernet connectivity to the barns via wireless bridges. But they want their barn controllers to also dial a list of phone numbers using the FAX line in the office. Either I’m doing something stupid, or the wire’s broken in which case it wasn’t working over the POTS line either. Farms can be very old school. Don’t want eFAX. Don’t want voicemail sent to email, they still use *97. Don’t want IVRs or autoattendants or dial by name directory. Don’t want computer-phone integration or softphones. And yet the owner’s son drives a Tesla. If it’s really a broken wire, then it’s their problem to get it fixed, I just usually start from the assumption that it was working when I got there and I’m doing something stupid. From: AF On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2024 9:27 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] troubleshooting telco pairs Can you just eliminate the wire and do a wireless PtP between the two locations? Even if you find the issue with the wire, if it is that convoluted, it sounds like an ongoing problem potentially. Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 Ken Hohhof June 5, 2024 at 1:24 AM Anybody remember your POTS troubleshooting skills? I’m trying to get an alarm system to work from a VoIP ATA over about 1000 feet of convoluted wiring at a farm, a combination of overhead and buried. I get tone on my tone tracer (Tempo brand) but 0 VDC on a buttset or voltmeter. It’s too far for my Fluke cable tester which is meant for data cables. I suspect one wire in the pair is open, but I don’t know how to check this with just a tone tracer. The alarm system just calls and plays a recorded voice announcement, so the VoIP part shouldn’t be tricky at all, not like FAX machines or alarms that use modems. But it can’t even seize the line and call out. -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] troubleshooting telco pairs
You can kinda sniff along the wire. I would tie the pairs together at the far end and put the tone on it. But the age old method is to cut it in the middle and see which direction the fault lies. Ground each wire at the far end in sequence and identify the problem wire. Keep cutting the bad half. Binary chopping. You might be able to put tone on one wire to ground and sniff, or open the jacked at a mid point etc. Find someone with an old fashioned copper TDR. Do you only have 2 wire available? Does it read open circuit or does it have some leakage, shorts or grounds? Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2024 8:44 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] troubleshooting telco pairs Oddly, the customer’s IT guy does have Ethernet connectivity to the barns via wireless bridges. But they want their barn controllers to also dial a list of phone numbers using the FAX line in the office. Either I’m doing something stupid, or the wire’s broken in which case it wasn’t working over the POTS line either. Farms can be very old school. Don’t want eFAX. Don’t want voicemail sent to email, they still use *97. Don’t want IVRs or autoattendants or dial by name directory. Don’t want computer-phone integration or softphones. And yet the owner’s son drives a Tesla. If it’s really a broken wire, then it’s their problem to get it fixed, I just usually start from the assumption that it was working when I got there and I’m doing something stupid. From: AF On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2024 9:27 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] troubleshooting telco pairs Can you just eliminate the wire and do a wireless PtP between the two locations? Even if you find the issue with the wire, if it is that convoluted, it sounds like an ongoing problem potentially. Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 Ken Hohhof June 5, 2024 at 1:24 AM Anybody remember your POTS troubleshooting skills? I’m trying to get an alarm system to work from a VoIP ATA over about 1000 feet of convoluted wiring at a farm, a combination of overhead and buried. I get tone on my tone tracer (Tempo brand) but 0 VDC on a buttset or voltmeter. It’s too far for my Fluke cable tester which is meant for data cables. I suspect one wire in the pair is open, but I don’t know how to check this with just a tone tracer. The alarm system just calls and plays a recorded voice announcement, so the VoIP part shouldn’t be tricky at all, not like FAX machines or alarms that use modems. But it can’t even seize the line and call out. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] MoviePass documentary
I don't think Amazon was cash positive until the AWS really took off. AWS and Prime free shipping pushed them into the black. Good book about it. Movie Pass might could have worked if they had listened to the founders and not offered it up for $9.95 I think. And if the AMC ceo had not retired. Theranos could have made it. There is another company offering a similar product now. They just got promotion and puff lightyears ahead of engineering. If Elon Musk had taken over Theranos in the early days it would be a reality. I never understood WeWork and how it had a road to profitability. They founders sure made out well. I think it was a pump and dump from the beginning. Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, June 3, 2024 11:45 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MoviePass documentary The old saying is "lose money on every sale but make it up on volume". The new equivalent is "fake it 'til you make it". Amazon is the classic example of one that worked out. Many have a non obvious revenue model that involve selling ads or customer data, that's how TV manufacturers can sell TVs at cost. But investors seem to be losing patience with business plans that just burn piles of cash with no plan to ever become profitable. This seems to have hit streaming companies, which everyone assumes are all profitable, but actually most are not. MoviePass seems to have been doomed, as was WeWork. There was Theranos. Seems like there is a blurred line between "fake it 'til you make it" and outright scams and pyramid schemes. All of us can attest that you need to ramp up to a certain number of customers to achieve economies of scale, but it should be possible to show some math how that leads to eventual profitability. Otherwise you're like the underpants gnomes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5ih_TQWqCA -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Monday, June 3, 2024 11:52 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MoviePass documentary I consulted for three VC's after Nscp and L3... The wisdom in their thoughts at the time was a home run in one out of 20 was doing well... Their thoughts about founders was about 1/3 idea and 2/3 the ability of the founder to gather talent around them... Your rolodex was as important as your execution... Seed money is easy. A good presentation deck and glib tongue. Getting money for the first round isn't that hard. Getting the second round was the test of your business. 1MM seed, 4-10MM first, unicorns got 100MM for second, and the sky was the limit on the 3rd... On 6/3/24 7:18 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: " ...the startups that light piles of money on fire until it runs out seem to be actively flying the plane into the dirt. Maybe they have golden parachutes." If at first you don't succeed, try and try again. I read a quote from one of those zillionaire entrepreneurs that he had to fail at seven businesses before he hit it big with one. So I guess it takes a lot of practice to get it right. My question is how did he get investment the 8th time after having those seven failures on his rap sheet? Or the 2nd-7th time for that matter. That's gotta be somebody with connections in the good-ol-boys network. If investors would just give me 8 chances at startups I'm sure I could be a self-made zillionaire too. -Adam -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, May 31, 2024 6:42 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MoviePass documentary That'll buff out. Or if you're a Monty Pyton fan, "It's just a flesh wound". Or if you've watched Roadkill on Motor Trend TV, "Dzus it back on". The pilots here can tell me if there's really an expression CFIT (Controlled Flight Into Terrain). But I think that's supposed to be unintentional, whereas the startups that light piles of money on fire until it runs out seem to be actively flying the plane into the dirt. Maybe they have golden parachutes. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Friday, May 31, 2024 3:27 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MoviePass documentary Bet that smarts. bp On 5/31/2024 10:09 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: fly the plane into the ground -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] AI tools
I just tried that second one. Pretty nifty. I asked about force reduction of hydraulic cylinders when acting on an angle. Gave a very comprehensive answer. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2024 5:26 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] AI tools Anybody here use AI on a daily basis, like for research or creative purposes? I’m an AI naysayer, but this looks awfully attractive. There’s a free tier, or unlock the full capability and almost unlimited queries for $20/mo. I’m not sure I could do a decent eval on it though. https://www.howtogeek.com/perplexity-is-the-only-paid-ai-chatbot-you-need-heres-why/ https://www.perplexity.ai/pro -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] AI tools
I use it every time I read Google News... From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2024 5:26 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] AI tools Anybody here use AI on a daily basis, like for research or creative purposes? I’m an AI naysayer, but this looks awfully attractive. There’s a free tier, or unlock the full capability and almost unlimited queries for $20/mo. I’m not sure I could do a decent eval on it though. https://www.howtogeek.com/perplexity-is-the-only-paid-ai-chatbot-you-need-heres-why/ https://www.perplexity.ai/pro -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] MoviePass documentary
Thanks, that was a great movie. I gotta go join movie pass again. Sent from my iPhone > On May 31, 2024, at 11:09 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > > Chuck, I seem to remember you were a MoviePass subscriber and posted here > about their rise and fall. > > Are you planning to watch the new HBO documentary? > > https://www.theverge.com/24160812/moviepass-moviecrash-review > > Seems like a classic story of small entrepreneurs start something, bigshot > executives take over and burn piles of investor cash with no viable long term > plan, and eventually they fly the plane into the ground. > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] MoviePass documentary
Yep, usually found on NTSB reports of airplane crashes. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, May 31, 2024 4:42 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MoviePass documentary That'll buff out. Or if you're a Monty Pyton fan, "It's just a flesh wound". Or if you've watched Roadkill on Motor Trend TV, "Dzus it back on". The pilots here can tell me if there's really an expression CFIT (Controlled Flight Into Terrain). But I think that's supposed to be unintentional, whereas the startups that light piles of money on fire until it runs out seem to be actively flying the plane into the dirt. Maybe they have golden parachutes. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Friday, May 31, 2024 3:27 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MoviePass documentary Bet that smarts. bp On 5/31/2024 10:09 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: fly the plane into the ground -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] MoviePass documentary
I don’t think I have seen this. I will. Thanks. I think I still own some stock somewhere. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, May 31, 2024 11:09 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] MoviePass documentary Chuck, I seem to remember you were a MoviePass subscriber and posted here about their rise and fall. Are you planning to watch the new HBO documentary? https://www.theverge.com/24160812/moviepass-moviecrash-review Seems like a classic story of small entrepreneurs start something, bigshot executives take over and burn piles of investor cash with no viable long term plan, and eventually they fly the plane into the ground. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] MCC-800-GIGE-APC-HV and ethernet link issues
YesSent from my iPhoneOn May 30, 2024, at 10:55 PM, liddy303 wrote:So swap the cards out with 800-CAT6-APC?On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 4:19 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: I don’t recommend the GIGE-APC-HV for anything frankly. It is a very fast acting circuit to provide maximum damage. But it does not get along well with some radios. Most of our customers use the CAT6 products. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2024 4:11 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MCC-800-GIGE-APC-HV and ethernet link issues Have you tried replacing the surge suppressor card with a new one? It might have taken a lightning hit and damaged some of the diodes. You could switch to Chuck’s Cat6 version which is GDT (gas tube) only. Unlikely to get damaged, but might provide less protection, Chuck could probably speak to that. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of liddy303Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2024 1:10 PMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <AF@af.afmug.com>Subject: [AFMUG] MCC-800-GIGE-APC-HV and ethernet link issues Chuck, I recently put a four port din rail surge suppressor chassis in production with four MCC-800-GIGE-APC-HV cards. A couple of months into their use the ethernet links to the radios on the tower start flapping and renegotiating down from 1G to 100M and then eventually 10M, and then eventually failing. When I bypass the card with a female-female RJ connector, they come right back up at 1Gig. These radios are powered from a MikroTik POE switch at 48v. Any suggestions? Am I using the wrong card for 48v poe? Thanks. -Brandon -- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] MCC-800-GIGE-APC-HV and ethernet link issues
I don’t recommend the GIGE-APC-HV for anything frankly. It is a very fast acting circuit to provide maximum damage. But it does not get along well with some radios. Most of our customers use the CAT6 products. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2024 4:11 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MCC-800-GIGE-APC-HV and ethernet link issues Have you tried replacing the surge suppressor card with a new one? It might have taken a lightning hit and damaged some of the diodes. You could switch to Chuck’s Cat6 version which is GDT (gas tube) only. Unlikely to get damaged, but might provide less protection, Chuck could probably speak to that. From: AF On Behalf Of liddy303 Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2024 1:10 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] MCC-800-GIGE-APC-HV and ethernet link issues Chuck, I recently put a four port din rail surge suppressor chassis in production with four MCC-800-GIGE-APC-HV cards. A couple of months into their use the ethernet links to the radios on the tower start flapping and renegotiating down from 1G to 100M and then eventually 10M, and then eventually failing. When I bypass the card with a female-female RJ connector, they come right back up at 1Gig. These radios are powered from a MikroTik POE switch at 48v. Any suggestions?Am I using the wrong card for 48v poe? Thanks. -Brandon -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Is this thing still on?
Gheeze, more environmental brainwashing - I didn’t even realize it at the time. I guess they laid it between the lines... From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 8:48 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this thing still on? Excellent. From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 8:25 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this thing still on? I think it's because they paved paradise. bpOn 5/22/2024 4:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Makes me think of the song Where Have All The Flowers Gone. That's Pete Seeger though and we agreed to stay away from politics. Also kind of depressing. Gone to graveyards every one, when will they ever learn. I'm still here, but not getting any younger. Maybe everyone is gearing up to install fiber for prevailing wage on BEAD projects. Will be like the gold rush. Original Message From: "Timothy Steele" Sent: 5/22/2024 3:54:55 AM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this thing still on? I got the msg Even wisp talk Facebook group seems to be slowing down Would be interesting to know where everyone is going On Wed, May 22, 2024, 4:04?PM Jason McKemie wrote: Just checking to see if the list is up, I haven't gotten anything in a while. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Is this thing still on?
First time I met the girl I later married, I didn’t totally catch her name. I thought it was Joni Mitchell or something close to it. It was Jenny Mitchell. Cannot hear that song or song title without thinking of that moment. From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 7:24 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this thing still on? I think it's because they paved paradise. bp On 5/22/2024 4:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Makes me think of the song Where Have All The Flowers Gone. That's Pete Seeger though and we agreed to stay away from politics. Also kind of depressing. Gone to graveyards every one, when will they ever learn. I'm still here, but not getting any younger. Maybe everyone is gearing up to install fiber for prevailing wage on BEAD projects. Will be like the gold rush. Original Message From: "Timothy Steele" Sent: 5/22/2024 3:54:55 AM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this thing still on? I got the msg Even wisp talk Facebook group seems to be slowing down Would be interesting to know where everyone is going On Wed, May 22, 2024, 4:04?PM Jason McKemie wrote: Just checking to see if the list is up, I haven't gotten anything in a while. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Is this thing still on?
Funny, now that I think about it, back in the 1960s the school teachers had us learn all these protest and civil rights songs. I don’t recall any parents getting upset about us getting programed by left wing teachers. I guess most folks believed civil rights and Vietnam protests were somewhat justified. I don’t recall us having porn in the libraries though. Sex education, what little there was was put off until we were 16 (for the boys and coed classes anyhow). A bit too late for some of us. Parents generally backed up the teachers. Kids brought rifles to school during hunting season. Hippy teachers were braless at times. You could even smoke certain herbs with some of the teachers. I have fond memories of the 60s and 70s. Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 5:12 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this thing still on? Makes me think of the song Where Have All The Flowers Gone. That's Pete Seeger though and we agreed to stay away from politics. Also kind of depressing. Gone to graveyards every one, when will they ever learn. I'm still here, but not getting any younger. Maybe everyone is gearing up to install fiber for prevailing wage on BEAD projects. Will be like the gold rush. Original Message From: "Timothy Steele" Sent: 5/22/2024 3:54:55 AM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this thing still on? I got the msg Even wisp talk Facebook group seems to be slowing down Would be interesting to know where everyone is going On Wed, May 22, 2024, 4:04?PM Jason McKemie wrote: Just checking to see if the list is up, I haven't gotten anything in a while. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
right mix of contacts whereas you needed a Sitemonitor + Expansion to get the same thing with Packetflux. -Adam From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2024 5:42 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP I think the simple email alert is what we are looking for.. No NMS needed. From: castarritt Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:33 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP We've done stuff as ghetto as powering an old wrt54g through the alarm contacts and monitoring its IP address to see when it comes up and goes down. These days all of our sites have either an Alpha or ICT UPS or DC shelf that has alarm monitoring inputs. On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30?PM Ken Hohhof wrote: As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient. If necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose. Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an MTA rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25. That sounds like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe 1999. I don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and DMARC records for a little contact monitoring box, and it sounds like a security nightmare. From: AF On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 4:13 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but the way this happens varies between devices. My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when to send the email. I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on. This is obviously easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage. Plus you need additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and 24.1 and you have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every time it flaps to 24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older hardware just because of code space limitations. The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet been completed. There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the sitemonitor system, how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know at this point. The email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to provide some sort of email server resources for those who don't have an email system which will accept email from random devices. On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55?PM Ken Hohhof wrote: Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system. Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that an SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls every 1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by email or text message. I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set trip points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input voltage at the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for more than 2 minutes. ---- Original Message From: "Chuck McCown via AF" Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PM To: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue? Traps? \Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this. From: TJ Trout Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and temp and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures you add a expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23?PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment alarm contacts. Circuit breaker alarms. That is why historically I liked the netguardian product. It eats everything. Monitors DC voltages etc. Temps From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might be some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution. However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is nearly universal (because some implementations are better than others). bpOn 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in one of our sites. In the past I used Netguard
Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
I think the simple email alert is what we are looking for.. No NMS needed. From: castarritt Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:33 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP We've done stuff as ghetto as powering an old wrt54g through the alarm contacts and monitoring its IP address to see when it comes up and goes down. These days all of our sites have either an Alpha or ICT UPS or DC shelf that has alarm monitoring inputs. On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient. If necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose. Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an MTA rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25. That sounds like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe 1999. I don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and DMARC records for a little contact monitoring box, and it sounds like a security nightmare. From: AF On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 4:13 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but the way this happens varies between devices. My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when to send the email. I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on. This is obviously easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage. Plus you need additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and 24.1 and you have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every time it flaps to 24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older hardware just because of code space limitations. The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet been completed. There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the sitemonitor system, how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know at this point. The email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to provide some sort of email server resources for those who don't have an email system which will accept email from random devices. On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system. Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that an SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls every 1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by email or text message. I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set trip points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input voltage at the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for more than 2 minutes. Original Message From: "Chuck McCown via AF" Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PM To: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue? Traps? \Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this. From: TJ Trout Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and temp and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures you add a expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23?PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment alarm contacts. Circuit breaker alarms. That is why historically I liked the netguardian product. It eats everything. Monitors DC voltages etc. Temps From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might be some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution. However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is nearly universal (because some implementations are better than others). bpOn 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in one of our sites. In the past I used Netguardians. Not sure what Forrest has. Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern stuff out there we should be looking at? Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.c
Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
Thanks, I am going to take a look at the 408 ControlByWeb unit. It would get us there. From: Colin Stanners Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:49 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: TJ Trout ; Josh Luthman ; Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Chuck, the PacketFlux products are great for many use cases but I'm not sure this is one of them as the non-GPS-sync built in functionality in PF units is very basic. Look at the ControlByWeb products, amusingly their location in Nibley UT is not far from you. I think their X-408 is cost effective at $250 and with 8 digital inputs and e-mail notifications etc. probably would serve this case well. There is also the Ethertek RMS-100, RMS-200 OR RMS-300 or the Tycon TPDIN-monitor-web3 series. On Wed, May 8, 2024, 2:24 p.m. Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Maybe Forrest will jump on here for a sales pitch. At a minimum I need contact closures. But temp and DC voltage monitoring would be handy. Not sure the differences in all his products. Email notification would probably be the best for me. From: TJ Trout Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:15 PM To: Josh Luthman Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP I would prefer packet flux since it's made in the USA but I don't believe they have on board email, if you don't want to deploy an SNMP server this might be an option https://tyconsystems.com/homepage/shop/tpdin-monitor-web3/ On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:10 PM Josh Luthman wrote: What does the alarm contact offer? Just SNMP? If so, you need to figure out if the alarm contact is going to be changing the OID or not. Some software works better in this situation. On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 3:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: We have nothing at the moment. So before I purchased a netguardian I though I would ping the borg to see if there is a cheaper or simpler system. We recently discovered that we had a rectifier fault and an inverter fault so our system goes down during a power failure while waiting for the generator to start. I decided that we should probably monitor alarms. From: TJ Trout Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:47 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP What's the use case? Do you have an existing snmp system? Sometimes a box with built in email client is less of a hassle, I'm sure there are cloud solutions as well. On Wed, May 8, 2024, 11:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in one of our sites. In the past I used Netguardians. Not sure what Forrest has. Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern stuff out there we should be looking at? Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue? Traps? \Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this. From: TJ Trout Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and temp and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures you add a expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment alarm contacts. Circuit breaker alarms. That is why historically I liked the netguardian product. It eats everything. Monitors DC voltages etc. Temps From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might be some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution. However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is nearly universal (because some implementations are better than others). bp On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in one of our sites. In the past I used Netguardians. Not sure what Forrest has. Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern stuff out there we should be looking at? Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
Maybe Forrest will jump on here for a sales pitch. At a minimum I need contact closures. But temp and DC voltage monitoring would be handy. Not sure the differences in all his products. Email notification would probably be the best for me. From: TJ Trout Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:15 PM To: Josh Luthman Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP I would prefer packet flux since it's made in the USA but I don't believe they have on board email, if you don't want to deploy an SNMP server this might be an option https://tyconsystems.com/homepage/shop/tpdin-monitor-web3/ On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:10 PM Josh Luthman wrote: What does the alarm contact offer? Just SNMP? If so, you need to figure out if the alarm contact is going to be changing the OID or not. Some software works better in this situation. On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 3:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: We have nothing at the moment. So before I purchased a netguardian I though I would ping the borg to see if there is a cheaper or simpler system. We recently discovered that we had a rectifier fault and an inverter fault so our system goes down during a power failure while waiting for the generator to start. I decided that we should probably monitor alarms. From: TJ Trout Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:47 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP What's the use case? Do you have an existing snmp system? Sometimes a box with built in email client is less of a hassle, I'm sure there are cloud solutions as well. On Wed, May 8, 2024, 11:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in one of our sites. In the past I used Netguardians. Not sure what Forrest has. Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern stuff out there we should be looking at? Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment alarm contacts. Circuit breaker alarms. That is why historically I liked the netguardian product. It eats everything. Monitors DC voltages etc. Temps From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might be some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution. However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is nearly universal (because some implementations are better than others). bp On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in one of our sites. In the past I used Netguardians. Not sure what Forrest has. Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern stuff out there we should be looking at? Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
The alarms come off various devices. They are generally contact closures. We need to route those to something. Netguardians will take a wide variety of discrete inputs, analog voltages, ethernet pings etc. And it puts out things link SNMP traps and even pots dial up pager type of notification. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:09 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: TJ Trout ; ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP What does the alarm contact offer? Just SNMP? If so, you need to figure out if the alarm contact is going to be changing the OID or not. Some software works better in this situation. On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 3:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: We have nothing at the moment. So before I purchased a netguardian I though I would ping the borg to see if there is a cheaper or simpler system. We recently discovered that we had a rectifier fault and an inverter fault so our system goes down during a power failure while waiting for the generator to start. I decided that we should probably monitor alarms. From: TJ Trout Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:47 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP What's the use case? Do you have an existing snmp system? Sometimes a box with built in email client is less of a hassle, I'm sure there are cloud solutions as well. On Wed, May 8, 2024, 11:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in one of our sites. In the past I used Netguardians. Not sure what Forrest has. Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern stuff out there we should be looking at? Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
We have nothing at the moment. So before I purchased a netguardian I though I would ping the borg to see if there is a cheaper or simpler system. We recently discovered that we had a rectifier fault and an inverter fault so our system goes down during a power failure while waiting for the generator to start. I decided that we should probably monitor alarms. From: TJ Trout Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:47 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP What's the use case? Do you have an existing snmp system? Sometimes a box with built in email client is less of a hassle, I'm sure there are cloud solutions as well. On Wed, May 8, 2024, 11:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in one of our sites. In the past I used Netguardians. Not sure what Forrest has. Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern stuff out there we should be looking at? Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] SNMP
We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in one of our sites. In the past I used Netguardians. Not sure what Forrest has. Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern stuff out there we should be looking at? Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)
I presumed they were in polar orbits. Google shows a bunch of criss cross inclined orbits. I don’t see how looking in the northern direction would help. From: Robert Sent: Monday, May 6, 2024 1:37 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me) Well, as I said, you have to take _everything_ she writes with the understanding that she is an alarmist and a promoter. I would be pretty sure she got paid by both T-Mobile and Hiboost, & I have seen others say the same problem she mentioned about Weboost but both times it was proven to be a bad setup. ( I have weboost but don't need it ) Starlink has to avoid transmitting into the Clark Belt, they are using the same frequencies. So they use the northern hemisphere. If you aren't on the equator, your dish can be flat and avoid the Clark Belt no problemo. Beam steering decides the pointing and tilt is just a hangover of the earlier constraints.. Before the number of sats reached where they are now, they tended to use a higher latitude center of focus for the sats because you get more density at the northern inclinations of the orbits. That is going away rapidly. I flat mount my dish in the shower bubble of my RV for mobile use. It shows no obstructions when not under an actual obstruction. It now takes a pretty high/close cliff to obstruct the dish and we are seeing the latest s/w doing much better with a smaller sky area and probably 15 degrees higher in latitude than in the past. Some people have seen their dishes pointing east and west and, amazingly, south. I suspect that was because Starlink was testing the relay system on them. The latest version of the dish is supposed to support dual beams from what people are reading in the software analysis. It comes with a fixed stand that only tilts it about 15-20 degrees off vertical. The understanding is that the tilt is now just for snow/water shedding. Starlink has busy hour lower priority for _mobile_ users. It puts the mobile users behind the fixed users for b/w. _Not_ throttled. Lower speeds during 6-10pm are for the same reasons our networks experience it and Starlink has loaded on the customers way heavier than we probably would. It takes a _LOT_ of rain to reduce the performance of Starlink. I've seen no issues with 1/4-1/2"/hr rain. Granted that is rare in N. NV. But they are transmitting with a lot of power in both directions. I got my first solid disconnection during a massive storm in TX when we were there for the eclipse. That was enough rain that it was piling up in the street. I didn't check my weather station as we were headed for a storm shelter. On 5/6/24 11:10 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: What I found most interesting were the following things I did not know: a.. Starlink needs a Northern sky exposure b.. Starlink has busy hour throttling c.. Starlink slows with rain (expected, and understandable but had not heard that before) I liked that she found a brand of booster that she says works well. From: Robert Sent: Monday, May 6, 2024 11:59 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me) I've watched her for years and she has, occasionally, some good stuff. But on the whole she has gotten so into promoting what she was paid for and in a few cases gotten caught promoting bad products. She major league jumped on board a cell internet reseller and promoted a really dishonest company because she didn't wait long enough for the bad to come out. Then claimed innocence... Well here she was again. T-Mobile just chomped down on those people using T-mobile home service away from home. If you want to do what she is promoting, it's now $160/month On _any_ cellular internet service, I say wait 1.5 years to find out if the provider is really going to support it or is it a bait and switch. ATT did exactly that 4 years ago, even promoting the service with mobile users just to pull it all away after usage became too high in just over a year. On 5/6/24 10:16 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: https://youtu.be/XcofyNWDyao?si=0ulY_LiFcb2HlnaY -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me)
What I found most interesting were the following things I did not know: a.. Starlink needs a Northern sky exposure b.. Starlink has busy hour throttling c.. Starlink slows with rain (expected, and understandable but had not heard that before) I liked that she found a brand of booster that she says works well. From: Robert Sent: Monday, May 6, 2024 11:59 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting (to me) I've watched her for years and she has, occasionally, some good stuff. But on the whole she has gotten so into promoting what she was paid for and in a few cases gotten caught promoting bad products. She major league jumped on board a cell internet reseller and promoted a really dishonest company because she didn't wait long enough for the bad to come out. Then claimed innocence... Well here she was again. T-Mobile just chomped down on those people using T-mobile home service away from home. If you want to do what she is promoting, it's now $160/month On _any_ cellular internet service, I say wait 1.5 years to find out if the provider is really going to support it or is it a bait and switch. ATT did exactly that 4 years ago, even promoting the service with mobile users just to pull it all away after usage became too high in just over a year. On 5/6/24 10:16 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: https://youtu.be/XcofyNWDyao?si=0ulY_LiFcb2HlnaY -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Pot
After my last meth lab blew up my motor home, I quit doing it. From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, May 6, 2024 11:07 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot I started on lisdexamfetamine recently. My productivity is much higher. My focus still drifts elsewhere, but I find I recenter on my main task more quickly. ADHD is profoundly genetic by the way. If your son has it then you or his mother does. The current thinking is that it’s so widespread because it’s a survival adaptation which happens to not always fit well into the structures of our modern life. A study in Kenya compared a nomadic population with a settled one. The genes responsible are well known, so they could identify who in each population had them and compare their outcomes. Among the settled population the kids with ADHD genes had worse grades in school, and the adults were less well nourished. Among the hunter-gatherer nomads, the people with ADHD genes were more well nourished. We probably shouldn’t medicate kids for it as much as we do, but I’m saying in my case a little bump of amphetamine in the morning does me good. -Adam From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, May 03, 2024 3:50 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot OK, looking at it another way. Some people need meds to be normal. My son has a prescription for lisdexamfetamine because he has ADHD. He's not impaired, and it's not like he's a meth head. That said, I can see a problem if your employee wants to smoke a joint in the workplace. Bigtime secondhand smoke problem. And if you don't want him operating machinery or vehicles, your insurance company would probably agree. Has he asked to bring his emotional support alligator to work yet? Original Message From: "Jan-GAMs" Sent: 5/3/2024 2:20:33 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot First I would ask for the Dr. to call me. 2nd I would suspend the employee until the Dr. calls me. It could be a type of pot that doesn't impair but I wouldn't want to take the chance. Third, I'd find someone not impaired and have them do the job. Put the doper in charge of a broom until layoff time. On 5/3/24 09:40, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Darrin makes me think of Samantha oh, Samantha... From: Bill Prince Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 10:21 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot My google-foo says it can be: Kevin Ken Gary Terry but I like Darren too. bpOn 5/3/2024 9:09 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}@font-face {font-family:calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}@font-face {font-family:aptos;}@font-face {font-family:tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}p.msonormal, li.msonormal, div.msonormal {margin:0in; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;}a:link, span.msohyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;}span.emailstyle20 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif; color:windowtext;}.msochpdefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt; mso-ligatures:none;}div.wordsection1 {page:wordsection1;} “I have a card” = entitled Karen (I forget the name for a male Karen, is it Darren?) From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 10:29 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot I have always had employees that were in rehab. But never had anyone using at work before this guy. He pointed to the fact he has a pot card for anxiety. I have a card in my pocket that says I am old enough to buy whisky too, but I doubt any employer would be OK with me sucking a flask while working. I know certain prescription conventional drugs can make you not safe to operate equipment. But this guy had to operate equipment as part of his job. I would make an accommodation for someone that had pain meds temporarily that left them a bit impaired but not as an every day thing. This guy was MAX drama too. One thing I tell everyone when I hire them, the only thing I really care about is no drama. Do not bring your drama to work. From: Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2024 10:01 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot lite duty, no operating machinery or equipment On Wed, May 1, 2024, 9:18?AM wrote: I think the ADA does want you to accommodate rehab appointments in someone’s work schedule. …..which I would do anyway. If they’re working on getting straight I don’t want to stand in their way. I don’t know if anyone
[AFMUG] Interesting (to me)
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Re: [AFMUG] DWDM/CWDM Magic
I remember the first IRU I got quoted. It amounted to a figure equal to building it ourselves. My first time hearing the term IRU too. That was probably 25 years ago. From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2024 2:15 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM/CWDM Magic >From a non-profit middle-mile provider we pay $42/month/fiber-mile for a >lease. Same company does a 20-year IRU for $1000/fiber-mile. There’s a >recurring maintenance fee on the IRU, but it’s peanuts. I’m betting these >prices are near the floor. I don’t believe there’s a ceiling. From: AF On Behalf Of Zach Underwood Sent: Friday, May 03, 2024 11:28 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DWDM/CWDM Magic We pay $700 per month for a pair of dark fiber about 6km route from our data center to one of our sites both in downtown Atlanta from zayo. We run 40gbps 10km optics. On Fri, May 3, 2024, 11:04 PM Chris Fabien wrote: We have seen an extremely wide range of prices for dark fiber leases, it's one of these things where every situation and provider is different. I have been quoted prices over $100/mo per strand-mile and as low as $15/mo/strand-mile. A lot of the value seems to be what they suspect you're going to try to do with the strands. 50 Miles to a datacenter, you're gonna be running NxDWDM 100gig waves, big money. Shorter local/metro distance that maybe gets you between your NOC and a small/WISP style tower, or maybe grabbing a piece of an "island" run that can't even connect to anything else, much more reasonable prices. On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 5:50 PM Darin Steffl wrote: > > For those of you who have dark fiber access, what kind of costs do you have? > > I'm thinking more of the cost to access these strands? IRU costs, lease, swaps with other providers, etc? > > I want some sort of ballpark costs to know what's reasonable when we start looking at this over wavelengths for shorter paths. > > On Thu, May 2, 2024, 2:50 PM Chris Fabien wrote: >> >> Mark, we do exactly this on a segment where we have leased 2 strands >> of dark fiber on a 30mile path. The ends of the run have 8-ch DWDM >> Muxes and we have two spots along the run where we have an OADM in a >> splice case to drop out a wavelength. At those points, we set a >> handhole next to the carrier's handhole, and they looped the 2 strands >> onto a 12F jumper into our case, so our OADM is in our case, in our >> handhole. Just be sure your optical margins are planned for any >> potential add/drop points because each does have some loss. >> >> On Thu, May 2, 2024 at 12:41 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF >> wrote: >> > >> > We may have the opportunity to grab 2 strands of dark fiber. These will allow us to build a loop between two points on our network. We have been told we can also break into this fiber within our loop. I'm guessing when we break into this fiber they will just extend the dark fiber into our handhole and we will be responsible to figure out what we do once we cut into that fiber. >> > >> > I'm trying to figure out if there is a way to do this passively so we don't have to depend on having our loop run though a customers location. I was thinking of CWDM. I can setup a CWDM/DWDM at our site and send multiple wave lengths down the fiber. Is there a way for me to break out just one wavelength at a hand hole passively? >> > >> > Let's say I have a North/South run of 2 strands going though a hand hole and I what to break out 1270nm for a customer. Is there away for me in the hand hole, passively, to peel off just 1270nm. Put something like a 1x2 splitter in on N1, N2, S1, S2 and send those 4 fibers into the customer site. Then install a couple of 1270nm optics in a switch to preserve the loop for that one customer. >> > >> > Do the optics do all the magic or are there some type of filters in the DWDM/CWDM modules? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >> > >> > Myakka Communications >> > www.Myakka.com >> > >> > >> > -- >> > AF mailing list >> > AF@af.afmug.com >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Pot
We caught him smoking out in the yard in one of our vehicles. He was asked to find his happiness elsewhere. Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 1:49 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot OK, looking at it another way. Some people need meds to be normal. My son has a prescription for lisdexamfetamine because he has ADHD. He's not impaired, and it's not like he's a meth head. That said, I can see a problem if your employee wants to smoke a joint in the workplace. Bigtime secondhand smoke problem. And if you don't want him operating machinery or vehicles, your insurance company would probably agree. Has he asked to bring his emotional support alligator to work yet? Original Message From: "Jan-GAMs" Sent: 5/3/2024 2:20:33 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot First I would ask for the Dr. to call me. 2nd I would suspend the employee until the Dr. calls me. It could be a type of pot that doesn't impair but I wouldn't want to take the chance. Third, I'd find someone not impaired and have them do the job. Put the doper in charge of a broom until layoff time. On 5/3/24 09:40, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Darrin makes me think of Samantha oh, Samantha... From: Bill Prince Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 10:21 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot My google-foo says it can be: Kevin Ken Gary Terry but I like Darren too. bp On 5/3/2024 9:09 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}@font-face {font-family:calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}@font-face {font-family:aptos;}@font-face {font-family:tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}p.msonormal, li.msonormal, div.msonormal {margin:0in; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;}a:link, span.msohyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;}span.emailstyle20 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif; color:windowtext;}.msochpdefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt; mso-ligatures:none;}div.wordsection1 {page:wordsection1;} “I have a card” = entitled Karen (I forget the name for a male Karen, is it Darren?) From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 10:29 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot I have always had employees that were in rehab. But never had anyone using at work before this guy. He pointed to the fact he has a pot card for anxiety. I have a card in my pocket that says I am old enough to buy whisky too, but I doubt any employer would be OK with me sucking a flask while working. I know certain prescription conventional drugs can make you not safe to operate equipment. But this guy had to operate equipment as part of his job. I would make an accommodation for someone that had pain meds temporarily that left them a bit impaired but not as an every day thing. This guy was MAX drama too. One thing I tell everyone when I hire them, the only thing I really care about is no drama. Do not bring your drama to work. From: Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2024 10:01 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot lite duty, no operating machinery or equipment On Wed, May 1, 2024, 9:18?AM wrote: I think the ADA does want you to accommodate rehab appointments in someone’s work schedule. …..which I would do anyway. If they’re working on getting straight I don’t want to stand in their way. I don’t know if anyone goes to rehab for pot though. Probably not. -Adam From: AF On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2024 5:11 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot Utah code 26-61a-111(4).. "Nothing in this section requires a private employer to accommodate the use of medical cannabis or affects the ability of a private employer to have policies restricting the use of medical cannabis by applicants or employees." There are also federal court cases where the court has determined that marijuana use is not subject to the ADA. On Tue, Apr 30, 2024, 10:42?PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: If an employee has a prescription for pot for anxiety do we have to allow them to partake at work. Sent from my iPhone -- AF
Re: [AFMUG] OT Beginner's All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code
First computer I actually programmed was an altair 8080 programmed with the front panel switches. First computer I ever touched and played with was a terminal connected to a mainframe somewhere in a science museum in Oregon. It had a moon lander simulator on it. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 11:24 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Beginner's All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code I programmed the first computers I worked on in binary. You would fat-finger instructions in through the front console, one bit at a time. bp On 5/3/2024 10:12 AM, Larry Smith via AF wrote: On Fri May 3 2024 11:37, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: At least I am not older than FORmula TRANslation or Common Business Oriented Language. Hmmm, I programmed in both -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Pot
Darrin makes me think of Samantha oh, Samantha... From: Bill Prince Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 10:21 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot My google-foo says it can be: Kevin Ken Gary Terry but I like Darren too. bp On 5/3/2024 9:09 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: “I have a card” = entitled Karen (I forget the name for a male Karen, is it Darren?) From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 10:29 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot I have always had employees that were in rehab. But never had anyone using at work before this guy. He pointed to the fact he has a pot card for anxiety. I have a card in my pocket that says I am old enough to buy whisky too, but I doubt any employer would be OK with me sucking a flask while working. I know certain prescription conventional drugs can make you not safe to operate equipment. But this guy had to operate equipment as part of his job. I would make an accommodation for someone that had pain meds temporarily that left them a bit impaired but not as an every day thing. This guy was MAX drama too. One thing I tell everyone when I hire them, the only thing I really care about is no drama. Do not bring your drama to work. From: Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2024 10:01 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot lite duty, no operating machinery or equipment On Wed, May 1, 2024, 9:18 AM wrote: I think the ADA does want you to accommodate rehab appointments in someone’s work schedule. …..which I would do anyway. If they’re working on getting straight I don’t want to stand in their way. I don’t know if anyone goes to rehab for pot though. Probably not. -Adam From: AF On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2024 5:11 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot Utah code 26-61a-111(4).. "Nothing in this section requires a private employer to accommodate the use of medical cannabis or affects the ability of a private employer to have policies restricting the use of medical cannabis by applicants or employees." There are also federal court cases where the court has determined that marijuana use is not subject to the ADA. On Tue, Apr 30, 2024, 10:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: If an employee has a prescription for pot for anxiety do we have to allow them to partake at work. Sent from my iPhone -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] OT Beginner's All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code
I am older than Beginner's All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code Damn. At least I am not older than FORmula TRANslation or Common Business Oriented Language. That would make me Really Old... ;-) -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Pot
I have always had employees that were in rehab. But never had anyone using at work before this guy. He pointed to the fact he has a pot card for anxiety. I have a card in my pocket that says I am old enough to buy whisky too, but I doubt any employer would be OK with me sucking a flask while working. I know certain prescription conventional drugs can make you not safe to operate equipment. But this guy had to operate equipment as part of his job. I would make an accommodation for someone that had pain meds temporarily that left them a bit impaired but not as an every day thing. This guy was MAX drama too. One thing I tell everyone when I hire them, the only thing I really care about is no drama. Do not bring your drama to work. From: Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2024 10:01 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot lite duty, no operating machinery or equipment On Wed, May 1, 2024, 9:18 AM wrote: I think the ADA does want you to accommodate rehab appointments in someone’s work schedule. …..which I would do anyway. If they’re working on getting straight I don’t want to stand in their way. I don’t know if anyone goes to rehab for pot though. Probably not. -Adam From: AF On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2024 5:11 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot Utah code 26-61a-111(4).. "Nothing in this section requires a private employer to accommodate the use of medical cannabis or affects the ability of a private employer to have policies restricting the use of medical cannabis by applicants or employees." There are also federal court cases where the court has determined that marijuana use is not subject to the ADA. On Tue, Apr 30, 2024, 10:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: If an employee has a prescription for pot for anxiety do we have to allow them to partake at work. Sent from my iPhone -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] DWDM/CWDM Magic
Yes, you can do exactly that. Makes it easy to use a single or pair of strands in a large variety of ways. Love WDM. -Original Message- From: Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2024 10:26 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Cc: Mark - Myakka Technologies Subject: [AFMUG] DWDM/CWDM Magic We may have the opportunity to grab 2 strands of dark fiber. These will allow us to build a loop between two points on our network. We have been told we can also break into this fiber within our loop. I'm guessing when we break into this fiber they will just extend the dark fiber into our handhole and we will be responsible to figure out what we do once we cut into that fiber. I'm trying to figure out if there is a way to do this passively so we don't have to depend on having our loop run though a customers location. I was thinking of CWDM. I can setup a CWDM/DWDM at our site and send multiple wave lengths down the fiber. Is there a way for me to break out just one wavelength at a hand hole passively? Let's say I have a North/South run of 2 strands going though a hand hole and I what to break out 1270nm for a customer. Is there away for me in the hand hole, passively, to peel off just 1270nm. Put something like a 1x2 splitter in on N1, N2, S1, S2 and send those 4 fibers into the customer site. Then install a couple of 1270nm optics in a switch to preserve the loop for that one customer. Do the optics do all the magic or are there some type of filters in the DWDM/CWDM modules? -- Thanks, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Fab Rats....
Just barely. I am looking more like Wilford Brimley every day. Right when they pretty much gave up on getting it started. Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2024 11:06 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fab Rats Didn't see you in the vid, was hoping you would be... On 5/1/24 09:36, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: That's my son Ben in there talking about what we do here. He pretty much runs the show. I am just the old dog wandering from office to office looking for snacks. -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2024 9:55 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fab Rats So it dropped... will have to take a look. Thanks. www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2024 9:36 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] Fab Rats Watching my youtubes this am and Fab Rats goes to pick up an airport tug and the fellow in the video says "We build microtrenching equipment" ( Fab Rats is in Utah ) and I glimpse a bit of what looks like the MTC logo and sure enough MTC is on youtube... -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Fab Rats....
That's my son Ben in there talking about what we do here. He pretty much runs the show. I am just the old dog wandering from office to office looking for snacks. -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2024 9:55 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fab Rats So it dropped... will have to take a look. Thanks. www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2024 9:36 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] Fab Rats Watching my youtubes this am and Fab Rats goes to pick up an airport tug and the fellow in the video says "We build microtrenching equipment" ( Fab Rats is in Utah ) and I glimpse a bit of what looks like the MTC logo and sure enough MTC is on youtube... -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Fab Rats....
So it dropped... will have to take a look. Thanks. www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2024 9:36 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] Fab Rats Watching my youtubes this am and Fab Rats goes to pick up an airport tug and the fellow in the video says "We build microtrenching equipment" ( Fab Rats is in Utah ) and I glimpse a bit of what looks like the MTC logo and sure enough MTC is on youtube... -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Won One
I imagine he got into primary. Electrical drops are no more dangerous than an extension cord. I was string a long aerial telephone drop about 45 years ago that had to cross under the primary. When tensioning it it flipped and almost touched. Not sure what it would have done to me but the drop line went clear to the ground where the reel was in the back of my truck. I imagine I would have been some form of crispy. From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2024 8:02 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Won One “crap job on the aerial drop (too close to electrical service entrance wires) but I was tired of arguing” Hopefully 40” or greater. A cable guy in the NY Hudson Valley area was literally incinerated by a power line a couple weeks ago. The 40” clearance rule is there for a serious frickin reason. From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 5:45 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Won One Business installs can get crazy with the number of subs who just do one thing. And if you ordered a static IP or block or want help setting up the “gateway”, the guy who basically just plugs in the modem doesn’t know anything about that, he tells you to call customer support. I got Comcast cable Internet at my house replacing RCN (they really suck bigly) and they just sent one guy but he just had a regular passenger car with a ladder on top. I kept trying to tell him no that wasn’t the Comcast drop cable it was the RCN cable and I hadn’t cancelled them yet so no he couldn’t just steal it. The 20 year old Comcast cable was all rotten and he was going to have to run a new one. He still cut the RCN cable and I made him splice it back. I knew that Comcast was the old Jones Intercable and they were below the power wires on the poles and RCN was the old Americast which was below the Comcast cables, but he didn’t seem to know that. Or else he was just being lazy and trying to avoid running a new drop. He still IMHO did a crap job on the aerial drop (too close to electrical service entrance wires) but I was tired of arguing. The Comcast 2 Gbps service however has been flawless. From: AF On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 4:10 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Won One It’s pretty common to have drop cable teams separate from the house install teams. I think the reasoning is you can subcontract drop cables, but you want to keep the customer facing piece in house. The other reason is a customer doesn’t need to be home for the drop cable to get done, so you don’t have to schedule that with them. I can see having a sub who does the aerial part of a drop and another sub who does an underground portion, and then your in-house installer comes in to hang the NID on the house and run a cable in to the CPE. That’s about the maximum number of ways I can see it logically divided up. How many steps could Comcast have? From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 2:09 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Won One >From my limited experience with them (mostly through friends who have no other >choice), their installations are "divide an conquer. They send out a different >crew to do every micro-step of an installation. bpOn 4/29/2024 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Had a 150 Mbps customer leave for Comcast/Xfinity 1.3 G $25/ month loss leader service. He lasted a couple months. He said their customer service is non existent. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Pot
If an employee has a prescription for pot for anxiety do we have to allow them to partake at work. Sent from my iPhone -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Won One
The crack heads will From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2024 12:38 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Won One So do customers try to repair fiber cuts with wire nuts? From: AF On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2024 1:30 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Won One And along comes the 12 year-old neighbor kid to mow the lawn. On 4/29/24 15:24, Ken Hohhof wrote: The lay it in the crack guy was there. The kick dirt on it guy comes next week. Maybe Steve can be that guy. Original Message From: "Mike Hammett" Sent: 4/29/2024 5:14:21 PM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Won One p { margin: 0; } Sometimes it's not even that. I literally did see a drop that was just laid into a crack in the dirt. No effort was done to cover it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Steve Jones" mailto:st...@togservice.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 4:50:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Won One I want to do drops for metronet. just kick dirt on the fiber. On Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 1:29?PM Mike Hammett wrote: MetroNet does the same thing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Bill Prince" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 1:09:01 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Won One From my limited experience with them (mostly through friends who have no other choice), their installations are "divide an conquer. They send out a different crew to do every micro-step of an installation. bpOn 4/29/2024 10:52 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Had a 150 Mbps customer leave for Comcast/Xfinity 1.3 G $25/ month loss leader service. He lasted a couple months. He said their customer service is non existent. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Won One
Had a 150 Mbps customer leave for Comcast/Xfinity 1.3 G $25/ month loss leader service. He lasted a couple months. He said their customer service is non existent. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: East Utah fun
As long as you also have a supply of calcium gluconate you might be OK. I am always amazed that it is sold to hobbyists for glass etching. -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 10:23 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: East Utah fun My old H.S. chemistry professor ( Dr. Welch ) kept a bottle of hydrofluoric acid under his desk in a wax bottle of unknown quality. That was an interesting removal... On 4/29/24 8:59 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Pretty much in the middle of Salt Lake City. The guy the lived there (had died recently I think) was a chemist at the University of Utah. His wife found a spill of mercury and asked for help in safely removing it. As a result they found over 500 containers of chemicals and very very old dynamite. Totally a no win situation. You might have been able to soak it in diesel and built a small electric kiln over it to incinerate in place. But monday morning quarterbacking. Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 8:13 AM To: AFMUG Subject: [AFMUG] OT: East Utah fun FROM: News of the Weird Boom! In Holladay, Utah, authorities were summoned to a home on April 23 to advise a homeowner on how to dispose of “a lot” of explosives, including “ancient dynamite” that had been in the family for “generations and generations.” Capt. Tony Barker of the Unified Fire Authority said the collectors did not appear to have malicious intent. KUTV reported that multiple agencies descended on the home, where it was determined that they would have to conduct a controlled explosion. Of course, that's just EAST Utah. Right Chuck? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: East Utah fun
Pretty much in the middle of Salt Lake City. The guy the lived there (had died recently I think) was a chemist at the University of Utah. His wife found a spill of mercury and asked for help in safely removing it. As a result they found over 500 containers of chemicals and very very old dynamite. Totally a no win situation. You might have been able to soak it in diesel and built a small electric kiln over it to incinerate in place. But monday morning quarterbacking. Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 8:13 AM To: AFMUG Subject: [AFMUG] OT: East Utah fun FROM: News of the Weird Boom! In Holladay, Utah, authorities were summoned to a home on April 23 to advise a homeowner on how to dispose of “a lot” of explosives, including “ancient dynamite” that had been in the family for “generations and generations.” Capt. Tony Barker of the Unified Fire Authority said the collectors did not appear to have malicious intent. KUTV reported that multiple agencies descended on the home, where it was determined that they would have to conduct a controlled explosion. Of course, that's just EAST Utah. Right Chuck? -- bp -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: Govt funded fiber - Utopia
They did pledge sales tax revenue to back the bonds. So if UTOPIA cannot make its debt service the sales tax will fill in. I wonder if that has happened yet. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024 2:13 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Govt funded fiber - Utopia I am not from Utah and don't understand how UTOPIA is financed. Doing some Google searches, I am still in the dark. But while revenue bonds would not take funds away from other govt services, it doesn't seem like that's the case. I saw several references to additional debt and municipalities pledging sales tax revenues to prop up UTOPIA. I was actually thinking more of federal grant programs like CAF, RDOF and BEAD. And philosophically I like the UTOPIA model of public infrastructure used by any and all service providers. Sounds like it hasn't worked all that well in practice though. Original Message From: "Bill Prince" Sent: 4/27/2024 2:57:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Govt funded fiber - Utopia Bernie Madoff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Madoff bp On 4/27/2024 12:47 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: But I think UTOPIA is supposed to be making the bond payments itself. The real question is where does the money come from to cover the shortfall each year. The only other source of money they have is signing up new cities. If that is how they operate they will eventually run out of new cities in Utah. I think they are coming close to running out now. Anyone know how to spell PONZI... -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024 1:38 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia Bonds are paid (usually, unless specified differently when they were issued) out of general revenue funds. If the funds used to pay bonds take away enough, the services get compromised, reduced, or not funded at all. bp On 4/27/2024 9:33 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: I fail to see how revenue bonds divert essential funding away from services that really matter to the public. Jared Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024 From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia Everything’s political now, of course. But he does have a point when he says “Government-owned broadband networks cost millions of dollars and divert essential funding away from services that really matter to the public — services such as police and fire, roads, water and sewer.” In the past, the government has undertaken vast programs at taxpayer expense like rural electrification, the interstate highway system, the space program. Now apparently high speed Internet is the thing of the moment that takes precedence over all the other broken things that we might wish government to fix. I sometimes wonder why Internet? Maybe because it seems easy and gives people the power to hand out billions of dollars. Could they cure cancer or get lead out of drinking water or fix all the deteriorating bridges with something like a BEAD program? Maybe they think broadband and AI and neural implants will lead to a future where everyone is plugged into the network and doesn’t need any of those other things. Maybe we’ll all be heads in jars like in Futurama. From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 To: Josh Luthman ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com; John Brewer Subject: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia I am surprised they have never broke even. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: John Brewer ; ch...@go-mtc.com[mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia Article: https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2024/04/19/government-internet-service-bad-for-taxpayers/[https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2024/04/19/government-internet-service-bad-for-taxpayers/] On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 4:59 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com]> wrote: By John Dougall For the Deseret News Most Utahns probably agree that government should stick to essential government services and stay out of enterprises that are better performed by the private sector. Yet, across the country and right here in Utah, more and more governments are building government-owned internet networks, despite numerous private-sector providers being available. The number of government-owned networks is increasing by the day, and taxpayers, not users, are often footing the bill. Government-owned broadband networks cost millions of dollars and divert essential funding away from services that really matter to the public — services such as police and fire, roads, water and sewer. Two unfortunate examples of government-owned broadband networks right here in Uta
[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia
But I think UTOPIA is supposed to be making the bond payments itself. The real question is where does the money come from to cover the shortfall each year. The only other source of money they have is signing up new cities. If that is how they operate they will eventually run out of new cities in Utah. I think they are coming close to running out now. Anyone know how to spell PONZI... -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024 1:38 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia Bonds are paid (usually, unless specified differently when they were issued) out of general revenue funds. If the funds used to pay bonds take away enough, the services get compromised, reduced, or not funded at all. bp On 4/27/2024 9:33 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: I fail to see how revenue bonds divert essential funding away from services that really matter to the public. Jared Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024 From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia Everything’s political now, of course. But he does have a point when he says “Government-owned broadband networks cost millions of dollars and divert essential funding away from services that really matter to the public — services such as police and fire, roads, water and sewer.” In the past, the government has undertaken vast programs at taxpayer expense like rural electrification, the interstate highway system, the space program. Now apparently high speed Internet is the thing of the moment that takes precedence over all the other broken things that we might wish government to fix. I sometimes wonder why Internet? Maybe because it seems easy and gives people the power to hand out billions of dollars. Could they cure cancer or get lead out of drinking water or fix all the deteriorating bridges with something like a BEAD program? Maybe they think broadband and AI and neural implants will lead to a future where everyone is plugged into the network and doesn’t need any of those other things. Maybe we’ll all be heads in jars like in Futurama. From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 To: Josh Luthman ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com; John Brewer Subject: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia I am surprised they have never broke even. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: John Brewer ; ch...@go-mtc.com[mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia Article: https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2024/04/19/government-internet-service-bad-for-taxpayers/[https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2024/04/19/government-internet-service-bad-for-taxpayers/] On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 4:59 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com]> wrote: By John Dougall For the Deseret News Most Utahns probably agree that government should stick to essential government services and stay out of enterprises that are better performed by the private sector. Yet, across the country and right here in Utah, more and more governments are building government-owned internet networks, despite numerous private-sector providers being available. The number of government-owned networks is increasing by the day, and taxpayers, not users, are often footing the bill. Government-owned broadband networks cost millions of dollars and divert essential funding away from services that really matter to the public — services such as police and fire, roads, water and sewer. Two unfortunate examples of government-owned broadband networks right here in Utah are iProvo and UTOPIA. In 2004, Provo launched iProvo to provide broadband internet services to homes and business. Provo reportedly bonded for $36.5 million to bring service to every home in the city and wrote off $5.4 million that the city’s telecommunications fund owed the Energy Department’s reserve fund to finance the costly deployment. After struggling to make the network viable, iProvo was sold in 2008. But its buyer failed to fulfill the terms of the sale, and iProvo reverted back to the city. In 2013, in a desperate attempt to free itself of the failed venture, the city ultimately sold iProvo to Google for $1. Similarly, UTOPIA (Utah Telecommunications Open Infrastructure Agency) was launched to provide broadband internet services to a consortium of cities. But UTOPIA has failed to fulfill its promises for more than two decades now. The project, which started in 2002, was projected to be finished in three to four years. Fast forward to today, and it is still incomplete. Not only is UTOPIA incomplete, but the project has racked up $300 million worth of debt. And despite iProvo’s example of failure, UTOPIA continue
[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: Govt funded fiber - Utopia
If they default, yes. They are in the tens of millions deficit each year. I wonder where they get the money for the shortfall. -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024 10:33 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia I fail to see how revenue bonds divert essential funding away from services that really matter to the public. Jared Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024 From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia Everything’s political now, of course. But he does have a point when he says “Government-owned broadband networks cost millions of dollars and divert essential funding away from services that really matter to the public — services such as police and fire, roads, water and sewer.” In the past, the government has undertaken vast programs at taxpayer expense like rural electrification, the interstate highway system, the space program. Now apparently high speed Internet is the thing of the moment that takes precedence over all the other broken things that we might wish government to fix. I sometimes wonder why Internet? Maybe because it seems easy and gives people the power to hand out billions of dollars. Could they cure cancer or get lead out of drinking water or fix all the deteriorating bridges with something like a BEAD program? Maybe they think broadband and AI and neural implants will lead to a future where everyone is plugged into the network and doesn’t need any of those other things. Maybe we’ll all be heads in jars like in Futurama. From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 To: Josh Luthman ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com; John Brewer Subject: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia I am surprised they have never broke even. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: John Brewer ; ch...@go-mtc.com[mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia Article: https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2024/04/19/government-internet-service-bad-for-taxpayers/[https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2024/04/19/government-internet-service-bad-for-taxpayers/] On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 4:59 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com]> wrote: By John Dougall For the Deseret News Most Utahns probably agree that government should stick to essential government services and stay out of enterprises that are better performed by the private sector. Yet, across the country and right here in Utah, more and more governments are building government-owned internet networks, despite numerous private-sector providers being available. The number of government-owned networks is increasing by the day, and taxpayers, not users, are often footing the bill. Government-owned broadband networks cost millions of dollars and divert essential funding away from services that really matter to the public — services such as police and fire, roads, water and sewer. Two unfortunate examples of government-owned broadband networks right here in Utah are iProvo and UTOPIA. In 2004, Provo launched iProvo to provide broadband internet services to homes and business. Provo reportedly bonded for $36.5 million to bring service to every home in the city and wrote off $5.4 million that the city’s telecommunications fund owed the Energy Department’s reserve fund to finance the costly deployment. After struggling to make the network viable, iProvo was sold in 2008. But its buyer failed to fulfill the terms of the sale, and iProvo reverted back to the city. In 2013, in a desperate attempt to free itself of the failed venture, the city ultimately sold iProvo to Google for $1. Similarly, UTOPIA (Utah Telecommunications Open Infrastructure Agency) was launched to provide broadband internet services to a consortium of cities. But UTOPIA has failed to fulfill its promises for more than two decades now. The project, which started in 2002, was projected to be finished in three to four years. Fast forward to today, and it is still incomplete. Not only is UTOPIA incomplete, but the project has racked up $300 million worth of debt. And despite iProvo’s example of failure, UTOPIA continues to expand. For years, UTOPIA consistently lost money, expecting taxpayers to cover those losses. In addition to this, the government-owned network continues to expand and pull other cities into this trap. What’s more egregious is that UTOPIA misrepresented its performance as it pitched cities on buying into the expansion fever. For example, UTOPIA once claimed the network had “no cost to taxpayers since 2009.” This statement was patently inaccurate. As your watchdog, I help you to hold your government accountable. My office investigated this an
[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia
I am surprised they have never broke even. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 4:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: John Brewer ; ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia Article: https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2024/04/19/government-internet-service-bad-for-taxpayers/ On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 4:59 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: By John Dougall For the Deseret News Most Utahns probably agree that government should stick to essential government services and stay out of enterprises that are better performed by the private sector. Yet, across the country and right here in Utah, more and more governments are building government-owned internet networks, despite numerous private-sector providers being available. The number of government-owned networks is increasing by the day, and taxpayers, not users, are often footing the bill. Government-owned broadband networks cost millions of dollars and divert essential funding away from services that really matter to the public — services such as police and fire, roads, water and sewer. Two unfortunate examples of government-owned broadband networks right here in Utah are iProvo and UTOPIA. In 2004, Provo launched iProvo to provide broadband internet services to homes and business. Provo reportedly bonded for $36.5 million to bring service to every home in the city and wrote off $5.4 million that the city’s telecommunications fund owed the Energy Department’s reserve fund to finance the costly deployment. After struggling to make the network viable, iProvo was sold in 2008. But its buyer failed to fulfill the terms of the sale, and iProvo reverted back to the city. In 2013, in a desperate attempt to free itself of the failed venture, the city ultimately sold iProvo to Google for $1. Similarly, UTOPIA (Utah Telecommunications Open Infrastructure Agency) was launched to provide broadband internet services to a consortium of cities. But UTOPIA has failed to fulfill its promises for more than two decades now. The project, which started in 2002, was projected to be finished in three to four years. Fast forward to today, and it is still incomplete. Not only is UTOPIA incomplete, but the project has racked up $300 million worth of debt. And despite iProvo’s example of failure, UTOPIA continues to expand. For years, UTOPIA consistently lost money, expecting taxpayers to cover those losses. In addition to this, the government-owned network continues to expand and pull other cities into this trap. What’s more egregious is that UTOPIA misrepresented its performance as it pitched cities on buying into the expansion fever. For example, UTOPIA once claimed the network had “no cost to taxpayers since 2009.” This statement was patently inaccurate. As your watchdog, I help you to hold your government accountable. My office investigated this and other claims, then we wrote a letter identifying these inaccurate statements. We instructed UTOPIA to do the following: •Discard or destroy marketing materials with misleading statements. • Ensure future communications more accurately reflect the dependence on taxpayer support. •Take steps to remedy the misrepresentations regarding the lack of taxpayer support to any individual or entity that received the inaccurate information. UTOPIA’s shortcomings do not stop there, however. Rather than providing internet access to the more than 40,000 homes and small businesses that lack internet access today, UTOPIA, like other government-owned networks, builds redundant networks that compete with existing private providers, many who are also regulated by the cities in which they operate. Unfortunately, iProvo and UTOPIA are no different from other government-owned fiber networks across the country, which fail financially about 90% of the time. When taxpayer money is being diverted from critical services into pet broadband projects, that money is not going where it is needed most. Taxpayers expect government to maintain roads, provide safe drinking water and keep their communities safe. Money spent propping up broadband services costs taxpayers money, encumbered by decades of debt, and deprives them of important and sufficient government services they want and deserve. Plus, higher taxes burden families, many of whom are struggling today just to provide for themselves. Government-owned broadband has done enough harm to taxpayers. iProvo and UTOPIA should be seen as an example for policymakers of what to avoid. Public officials across the country, and especially here in Utah, should resist the appealing allure of expanding or deploying government-owned networks, which allure has been shown to be deceptive, and ultimately destructive, to taxpayers. John Dougall is the Utah State Auditor
[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia
By John Dougall For the Deseret News Most Utahns probably agree that government should stick to essential government services and stay out of enterprises that are better performed by the private sector. Yet, across the country and right here in Utah, more and more governments are building government-owned internet networks, despite numerous private-sector providers being available. The number of government-owned networks is increasing by the day, and taxpayers, not users, are often footing the bill. Government-owned broadband networks cost millions of dollars and divert essential funding away from services that really matter to the public — services such as police and fire, roads, water and sewer. Two unfortunate examples of government-owned broadband networks right here in Utah are iProvo and UTOPIA. In 2004, Provo launched iProvo to provide broadband internet services to homes and business. Provo reportedly bonded for $36.5 million to bring service to every home in the city and wrote off $5.4 million that the city’s telecommunications fund owed the Energy Department’s reserve fund to finance the costly deployment. After struggling to make the network viable, iProvo was sold in 2008. But its buyer failed to fulfill the terms of the sale, and iProvo reverted back to the city. In 2013, in a desperate attempt to free itself of the failed venture, the city ultimately sold iProvo to Google for $1. Similarly, UTOPIA (Utah Telecommunications Open Infrastructure Agency) was launched to provide broadband internet services to a consortium of cities. But UTOPIA has failed to fulfill its promises for more than two decades now. The project, which started in 2002, was projected to be finished in three to four years. Fast forward to today, and it is still incomplete. Not only is UTOPIA incomplete, but the project has racked up $300 million worth of debt. And despite iProvo’s example of failure, UTOPIA continues to expand. For years, UTOPIA consistently lost money, expecting taxpayers to cover those losses. In addition to this, the government-owned network continues to expand and pull other cities into this trap. What’s more egregious is that UTOPIA misrepresented its performance as it pitched cities on buying into the expansion fever. For example, UTOPIA once claimed the network had “no cost to taxpayers since 2009.” This statement was patently inaccurate. As your watchdog, I help you to hold your government accountable. My office investigated this and other claims, then we wrote a letter identifying these inaccurate statements. We instructed UTOPIA to do the following: •Discard or destroy marketing materials with misleading statements. • Ensure future communications more accurately reflect the dependence on taxpayer support. •Take steps to remedy the misrepresentations regarding the lack of taxpayer support to any individual or entity that received the inaccurate information. UTOPIA’s shortcomings do not stop there, however. Rather than providing internet access to the more than 40,000 homes and small businesses that lack internet access today, UTOPIA, like other government-owned networks, builds redundant networks that compete with existing private providers, many who are also regulated by the cities in which they operate. Unfortunately, iProvo and UTOPIA are no different from other government-owned fiber networks across the country, which fail financially about 90% of the time. When taxpayer money is being diverted from critical services into pet broadband projects, that money is not going where it is needed most. Taxpayers expect government to maintain roads, provide safe drinking water and keep their communities safe. Money spent propping up broadband services costs taxpayers money, encumbered by decades of debt, and deprives them of important and sufficient government services they want and deserve. Plus, higher taxes burden families, many of whom are struggling today just to provide for themselves. Government-owned broadband has done enough harm to taxpayers. iProvo and UTOPIA should be seen as an example for policymakers of what to avoid. Public officials across the country, and especially here in Utah, should resist the appealing allure of expanding or deploying government-owned networks, which allure has been shown to be deceptive, and ultimately destructive, to taxpayers. John Dougall is the Utah State Auditor and is a candidate for Utah’s 3rd congressional district. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] now that's a big antenna
The hubble lens grinder off-ed himself due to his mistake. That was a pretty bad mistake. And some middle manager at NASA chose to not test the mirror prior to being installed. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2024 11:24 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] now that's a big antenna Surprising Tesla wasn’t able to fix the Cybertruck accelerator pedal problem with an over-the-air software update and had to use a rivet. I guess it’s like the oops with the Hubble telescope. Sometimes only a hardware fix will do. From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2024 11:47 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] now that's a big antenna Had to send him to Japan. He was the guy that used the GOTO in a C program. I told him to NEVER use a GOTO. But he did. GOTO in C does not mind the stack. From: Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2024 10:22 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] now that's a big antenna Yeah, that was an awesome fix. Super brilliant folks working on it. I once shipped 2000 units of a product that had a software glitch. Stack overflow after 32 operations. It was OTP ram based MCU. Expensive buggers. I tried so hard to find a bit to burn to change an op code to cause a jump to unused memory to vector around the problem. I totally failed. Send an employee with 2000 chips to change. I am wholly appreciate what they accomplished. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, April 22, 2024 9:14 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] now that's a big antenna On a related note, Voyager 1 is talking to us again. Yay, VGER! https://gizmodo.com/nasa-voyager-probe-making-sense-months-gibberish-1851427197 From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Monday, April 22, 2024 9:15 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] now that's a big antenna thats what we install at everybodies house On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 11:27 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: https://spectrum.ieee.org/apollo-era-antenna-voyager-2 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] now that's a big antenna
Had to send him to Japan. He was the guy that used the GOTO in a C program. I told him to NEVER use a GOTO. But he did. GOTO in C does not mind the stack. From: Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2024 10:22 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] now that's a big antenna Yeah, that was an awesome fix. Super brilliant folks working on it. I once shipped 2000 units of a product that had a software glitch. Stack overflow after 32 operations. It was OTP ram based MCU. Expensive buggers. I tried so hard to find a bit to burn to change an op code to cause a jump to unused memory to vector around the problem. I totally failed. Send an employee with 2000 chips to change. I am wholly appreciate what they accomplished. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, April 22, 2024 9:14 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] now that's a big antenna On a related note, Voyager 1 is talking to us again. Yay, VGER! https://gizmodo.com/nasa-voyager-probe-making-sense-months-gibberish-1851427197 From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Monday, April 22, 2024 9:15 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] now that's a big antenna thats what we install at everybodies house On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 11:27 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: https://spectrum.ieee.org/apollo-era-antenna-voyager-2 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] now that's a big antenna
Yeah, that was an awesome fix. Super brilliant folks working on it. I once shipped 2000 units of a product that had a software glitch. Stack overflow after 32 operations. It was OTP ram based MCU. Expensive buggers. I tried so hard to find a bit to burn to change an op code to cause a jump to unused memory to vector around the problem. I totally failed. Send an employee with 2000 chips to change. I am wholly appreciate what they accomplished. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, April 22, 2024 9:14 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] now that's a big antenna On a related note, Voyager 1 is talking to us again. Yay, VGER! https://gizmodo.com/nasa-voyager-probe-making-sense-months-gibberish-1851427197 From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Monday, April 22, 2024 9:15 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] now that's a big antenna thats what we install at everybodies house On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 11:27 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: https://spectrum.ieee.org/apollo-era-antenna-voyager-2 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Bard
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Re: [AFMUG] now that's a big antenna
“The Dish” Great factual comedy that blends Apollo 11 and antennas. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2024 10:24 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] now that's a big antenna https://spectrum.ieee.org/apollo-era-antenna-voyager-2 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] now that's a big antenna
Ever seen the move “The Big Dish”? From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2024 10:24 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] now that's a big antenna https://spectrum.ieee.org/apollo-era-antenna-voyager-2 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Killer 900MHz?
I would go with the vent as the number one suspect. The antenna is probably pretty isotropic. You would see more of a graduated spherical damage I would think. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2024 10:42 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Killer 900MHz? No, although sometimes I wish it could happen, so we could clear out the RF path without a chainsaw. I look at the photo and see a vent, some garbage cans, the electrical service entrance, some suspicious white stuff on the ground, but it has to be the smart meter that is killing the evergreen. Even though the 900 MHz chip probably only transmits when polled. And it couldn’t possibly be the cold wind or dogs peeing on the evergreen or they didn’t water it during a drought. Probably this person posted the photo while holding their phone half an inch from their brain. Remember the viral photo of cellphones making popcorn pop? (fake of course) From: AF On Behalf Of David Hannum Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2024 11:17 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Killer 900MHz? I know that needles really absorb 900mhz, but could this happen? I can't see it at legal ERIP levels? What do you engineers say? Dave -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] LiFePO4 question again
You will need a BMS unless the battery has one built in. If it does, a regular telco rectifier will do the job. -Original Message- From: Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF Sent: Friday, April 5, 2024 10:58 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: Mark - Myakka Technologies Subject: [AFMUG] LiFePO4 question again I'm finding hard to pass up just getting a 100ah 48v LiFePO4 rackmount battery. I have a new fiber system that will need a maximum of 3kw once it is maxed out over the years. This seems like an easy and clean battery solution. Question is how do I power the system from the AC side on a daily basis and keep the battery charged. The normal rectifier way seems to be a bit lacking in LiFePO4 support. I can get a EG4 Chargeverter 48V 100A Battery Charger that looks like it would do the job. Not sure if this thing is designed to run 24/7 at load or if it is designed for intermittent loads to just charge batteries. Thoughts? -- Thanks, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Fw: Thank You for a Great Career
From: Ray Savich Sent: Friday, April 5, 2024 7:58 AM To: Ray Savich Cc: Ray Savich Subject: Thank You for a Great Career After 19 years in the fixed wireless broadband industry, it is time for me to retire from Cambium Networks. During my time working with you, we have evolved from 10 Mbps per sector access points to multi-gigabit subscriber modules and FTTH. I have enjoyed working with you collaborating on case studies, events, and interviews while we connected people around the world. You are great friends in sharing your experiences so that we can all do better together. It is astounding to think of how many people this industry has connected through our collected efforts. I start retirement at the end of the month. As I prepare for my next phase, I would like to keep in touch. Please feel free to reach out to me at raysav...@gmail.com or through LinkedIn. Thank you for an amazing career. Ray Follow us Cambium Blog | Community | Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] OT fun
https://youtu.be/8z1OZKec1_A?si=Y5IxckeDd3RMBdDZ Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Laser Welder
Actually Ken, it is the easiest welder I have ever used. MIG is easy but this is easier. If you can run a hot glue gun or a caulking gun you can run this. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 10:12 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Laser Welder Not being a welder, I always forget the different between MIG and TIG welding. I think I saw a demo on a Motor Trend channel show once (don’t laugh, I think it was Jessi Combs on All Girls Garage). So I just went and found a pretty good Youtube video some guy did. Seems like MIG welding means less warpage and lots more sanding. But my takeaway is for someone like me who lacks the skill and steady hands for TIG welding, don’t even consider Chuck’s laser welder. From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 10:15 AM To: Cameron Crum Cc: Chuck McCown ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Laser Welder Way more. Like $30k Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:36 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: Cost vs a mig welder? On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 9:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Hand held. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 23, 2024, at 6:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Hand held? Or like a CNC machine? Original Message From: "Chuck McCown via AF" Sent: 3/23/2024 6:27:37 PM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Laser Welder A lot like using a glue gun. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 23, 2024, at 3:59 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: ? I bought a laser welder with the hope it would improve my fuel and hydraulic tank welding. I was very skeptical that such a small bead would be strong enough. But it is as strong as the base metal and is a perfect weld. Even over dirty and rusty metal. Super fast. You only need glasses or goggles. Not even that bright. Brazing is brighter. And with minimal heat to the workpiece too. Today, we were putting a PID temperature controller on an old glass bead oven/kiln so I can do some temperature research on my diamond cutter bits. The guys had mounted the controller in a place where its terminals could come in contact with some 120 VAC going to the heating elements if the controller was wiggled a bit. And they didn’t have the bezel hold down on properly so it was wiggley. I noticed the problems immediately. While they did a good job centering the controller in the middle of the control panel, it had to be offset a bit to the right and down to make sure there was no chance of things ever touching. So I cut a rectangular piece of 16 gauge steel with a rectangular offset hole in it for the temperature controller. Then cut some notches in the panel to accommodate the offset. Then put some tiny weld beads on the back side so there are no welds visible from the outside. Super nice repair job. Those tiny weld beads are if a 6” man with a tiny MIG welder got in there and did them. I welded this in with the temperature controller installed in the patch. It was a half inch away from the weld. Nothing got hot enough to smoke or melt or deform. So easy to do perfect work on super thin metal. And it will do aluminum too. It does take nitrogen shielding gas and probably uses more than a mig welder but that is no big deal. Nitrogen is cheap and you can buy nitrogen filters to make it yourself. If you even need to do some rework or or repair to a metal instrument panel, this is the tool you want. From the thinnest sheet metal up to .250” it can make anyone a pro. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Laser Welder
We got ours from the local Linde welding gas supplier. Not sure the brand name. From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 10:13 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Laser Welder OK, you made me look. Googling "laser welder" I get over 9 million hits. Narrowing it to just "shopping", I get prices ranging from $500 to over $50K. I presume the issues are power, size, and what else? We have a friend who welds for his business and has quite an assortment of welding equipment. Where would I send him if he's interested? bp On 3/25/2024 8:15 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Way more. Like $30k Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:36 AM, Cameron Crum mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com wrote: Cost vs a mig welder? On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 9:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Hand held. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 23, 2024, at 6:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Hand held? Or like a CNC machine? Original Message From: "Chuck McCown via AF" Sent: 3/23/2024 6:27:37 PM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Laser Welder A lot like using a glue gun. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 23, 2024, at 3:59 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: ? I bought a laser welder with the hope it would improve my fuel and hydraulic tank welding. I was very skeptical that such a small bead would be strong enough. But it is as strong as the base metal and is a perfect weld. Even over dirty and rusty metal. Super fast. You only need glasses or goggles. Not even that bright. Brazing is brighter. And with minimal heat to the workpiece too. Today, we were putting a PID temperature controller on an old glass bead oven/kiln so I can do some temperature research on my diamond cutter bits. The guys had mounted the controller in a place where its terminals could come in contact with some 120 VAC going to the heating elements if the controller was wiggled a bit. And they didn’t have the bezel hold down on properly so it was wiggley. I noticed the problems immediately. While they did a good job centering the controller in the middle of the control panel, it had to be offset a bit to the right and down to make sure there was no chance of things ever touching. So I cut a rectangular piece of 16 gauge steel with a rectangular offset hole in it for the temperature controller. Then cut some notches in the panel to accommodate the offset. Then put some tiny weld beads on the back side so there are no welds visible from the outside. Super nice repair job. Those tiny weld beads are if a 6” man with a tiny MIG welder got in there and did them. I welded this in with the temperature controller installed in the patch. It was a half inch away from the weld. Nothing got hot enough to smoke or melt or deform. So easy to do perfect work on super thin metal. And it will do aluminum too. It does take nitrogen shielding gas and probably uses more than a mig welder but that is no big deal. Nitrogen is cheap and you can buy nitrogen filters to make it yourself. If you even need to do some rework or or repair to a metal instrument panel, this is the tool you want. From the thinnest sheet metal up to .250” it can make anyone a pro. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Laser Welder
Way more. Like $30kSent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 7:36 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:Cost vs a mig welder?On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 9:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:Hand held.Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 23, 2024, at 6:16 PM, Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:Hand held? Or like a CNC machine? Original Message From: "Chuck McCown via AF" Sent: 3/23/2024 6:27:37 PMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Laser WelderA lot like using a glue gun.Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 23, 2024, at 3:59 PM, Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:? I bought a laser welder with the hope it would improve my fuel and hydraulic tank welding. I was very skeptical that such a small bead would be strong enough. But it is as strong as the base metal and is a perfect weld. Even over dirty and rusty metal. Super fast. You only need glasses or goggles. Not even that bright. Brazing is brighter. And with minimal heat to the workpiece too. Today, we were putting a PID temperature controller on an old glass bead oven/kiln so I can do some temperature research on my diamond cutter bits. The guys had mounted the controller in a place where its terminals could come in contact with some 120 VAC going to the heating elements if the controller was wiggled a bit. And they didn’t have the bezel hold down on properly so it was wiggley. I noticed the problems immediately. While they did a good job centering the controller in the middle of the control panel, it had to be offset a bit to the right and down to make sure there was no chance of things ever touching. So I cut a rectangular piece of 16 gauge steel with a rectangular offset hole in it for the temperature controller. Then cut some notches in the panel to accommodate the offset. Then put some tiny weld beads on the back side so there are no welds visible from the outside. Super nice repair job. Those tiny weld beads are if a 6” man with a tiny MIG welder got in there and did them. I welded this in with the temperature controller installed in the patch. It was a half inch away from the weld. Nothing got hot enough to smoke or melt or deform. So easy to do perfect work on super thin metal. And it will do aluminum too. It does take nitrogen shielding gas and probably uses more than a mig welder but that is no big deal. Nitrogen is cheap and you can buy nitrogen filters to make it yourself. If you even need to do some rework or or repair to a metal instrument panel, this is the tool you want. From the thinnest sheet metal up to .250” it can make anyone a pro. -- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Laser Welder
Hand held. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 23, 2024, at 6:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Hand held? Or like a CNC machine? > > Original Message > From: "Chuck McCown via AF" > Sent: 3/23/2024 6:27:37 PM > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Cc: "Chuck McCown" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Laser Welder > > A lot like using a glue gun. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Mar 23, 2024, at 3:59 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >>> >> ? >> I bought a laser welder with the hope it would improve my fuel and hydraulic >> tank welding. I was very skeptical that such a small bead would be strong >> enough. But it is as strong as the base metal and is a perfect weld. Even >> over dirty and rusty metal. Super fast. You only need glasses or goggles. >> Not even that bright. Brazing is brighter. And with minimal heat to the >> workpiece too. >> >> Today, we were putting a PID temperature controller on an old glass bead >> oven/kiln so I can do some temperature research on my diamond cutter bits. >> >> The guys had mounted the controller in a place where its terminals could >> come in contact with some 120 VAC going to the heating elements if the >> controller was wiggled a bit. And they didn’t have the bezel hold down on >> properly so it was wiggley. I noticed the problems immediately. While they >> did a good job centering the controller in the middle of the control panel, >> it had to be offset a bit to the right and down to make sure there was no >> chance of things ever touching. >> >> So I cut a rectangular piece of 16 gauge steel with a rectangular offset >> hole in it for the temperature controller. Then cut some notches in the >> panel to accommodate the offset. Then put some tiny weld beads on the back >> side so there are no welds visible from the outside. Super nice repair job. >> Those tiny weld beads are if a 6” man with a tiny MIG welder got in there >> and did them. >> >> I welded this in with the temperature controller installed in the patch. It >> was a half inch away from the weld. Nothing got hot enough to smoke or melt >> or deform. >> >> So easy to do perfect work on super thin metal. And it will do aluminum >> too. It does take nitrogen shielding gas and probably uses more than a mig >> welder but that is no big deal. Nitrogen is cheap and you can buy nitrogen >> filters to make it yourself. >> >> If you even need to do some rework or or repair to a metal instrument panel, >> this is the tool you want. >> From the thinnest sheet metal up to .250” it can make anyone a pro. >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Laser Welder
A lot like using a glue gun. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 23, 2024, at 3:59 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > > I bought a laser welder with the hope it would improve my fuel and hydraulic > tank welding. I was very skeptical that such a small bead would be strong > enough. But it is as strong as the base metal and is a perfect weld. Even > over dirty and rusty metal. Super fast. You only need glasses or goggles. > Not even that bright. Brazing is brighter. And with minimal heat to the > workpiece too. > > Today, we were putting a PID temperature controller on an old glass bead > oven/kiln so I can do some temperature research on my diamond cutter bits. > > The guys had mounted the controller in a place where its terminals could come > in contact with some 120 VAC going to the heating elements if the controller > was wiggled a bit. And they didn’t have the bezel hold down on properly so > it was wiggley. I noticed the problems immediately. While they did a good > job centering the controller in the middle of the control panel, it had to be > offset a bit to the right and down to make sure there was no chance of things > ever touching. > > So I cut a rectangular piece of 16 gauge steel with a rectangular offset hole > in it for the temperature controller. Then cut some notches in the panel to > accommodate the offset. Then put some tiny weld beads on the back side so > there are no welds visible from the outside. Super nice repair job. Those > tiny weld beads are if a 6” man with a tiny MIG welder got in there and did > them. > > I welded this in with the temperature controller installed in the patch. It > was a half inch away from the weld. Nothing got hot enough to smoke or melt > or deform. > > So easy to do perfect work on super thin metal. And it will do aluminum too. > It does take nitrogen shielding gas and probably uses more than a mig welder > but that is no big deal. Nitrogen is cheap and you can buy nitrogen filters > to make it yourself. > > If you even need to do some rework or or repair to a metal instrument panel, > this is the tool you want. > From the thinnest sheet metal up to .250” it can make anyone a pro. > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Laser Welder
A lot like using a glue stick. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 23, 2024, at 3:59 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > > I bought a laser welder with the hope it would improve my fuel and hydraulic > tank welding. I was very skeptical that such a small bead would be strong > enough. But it is as strong as the base metal and is a perfect weld. Even > over dirty and rusty metal. Super fast. You only need glasses or goggles. > Not even that bright. Brazing is brighter. And with minimal heat to the > workpiece too. > > Today, we were putting a PID temperature controller on an old glass bead > oven/kiln so I can do some temperature research on my diamond cutter bits. > > The guys had mounted the controller in a place where its terminals could come > in contact with some 120 VAC going to the heating elements if the controller > was wiggled a bit. And they didn’t have the bezel hold down on properly so > it was wiggley. I noticed the problems immediately. While they did a good > job centering the controller in the middle of the control panel, it had to be > offset a bit to the right and down to make sure there was no chance of things > ever touching. > > So I cut a rectangular piece of 16 gauge steel with a rectangular offset hole > in it for the temperature controller. Then cut some notches in the panel to > accommodate the offset. Then put some tiny weld beads on the back side so > there are no welds visible from the outside. Super nice repair job. Those > tiny weld beads are if a 6” man with a tiny MIG welder got in there and did > them. > > I welded this in with the temperature controller installed in the patch. It > was a half inch away from the weld. Nothing got hot enough to smoke or melt > or deform. > > So easy to do perfect work on super thin metal. And it will do aluminum too. > It does take nitrogen shielding gas and probably uses more than a mig welder > but that is no big deal. Nitrogen is cheap and you can buy nitrogen filters > to make it yourself. > > If you even need to do some rework or or repair to a metal instrument panel, > this is the tool you want. > From the thinnest sheet metal up to .250” it can make anyone a pro. > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] OT Laser Welder
I bought a laser welder with the hope it would improve my fuel and hydraulic tank welding. I was very skeptical that such a small bead would be strong enough. But it is as strong as the base metal and is a perfect weld. Even over dirty and rusty metal. Super fast. You only need glasses or goggles. Not even that bright. Brazing is brighter. And with minimal heat to the workpiece too. Today, we were putting a PID temperature controller on an old glass bead oven/kiln so I can do some temperature research on my diamond cutter bits. The guys had mounted the controller in a place where its terminals could come in contact with some 120 VAC going to the heating elements if the controller was wiggled a bit. And they didn’t have the bezel hold down on properly so it was wiggley. I noticed the problems immediately. While they did a good job centering the controller in the middle of the control panel, it had to be offset a bit to the right and down to make sure there was no chance of things ever touching. So I cut a rectangular piece of 16 gauge steel with a rectangular offset hole in it for the temperature controller. Then cut some notches in the panel to accommodate the offset. Then put some tiny weld beads on the back side so there are no welds visible from the outside. Super nice repair job. Those tiny weld beads are if a 6” man with a tiny MIG welder got in there and did them. I welded this in with the temperature controller installed in the patch. It was a half inch away from the weld. Nothing got hot enough to smoke or melt or deform. So easy to do perfect work on super thin metal. And it will do aluminum too. It does take nitrogen shielding gas and probably uses more than a mig welder but that is no big deal. Nitrogen is cheap and you can buy nitrogen filters to make it yourself. If you even need to do some rework or or repair to a metal instrument panel, this is the tool you want. >From the thinnest sheet metal up to .250” it can make anyone a pro. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi
They made me get a franchise here in our county. But they do it to the others as well. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 11:08 AM To: ch...@go-mtc.com Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi *nods* It sure is a lifesaver here in IL. As long as you don't plan on doing linear TV, you don't need a franchise, therefore if you pay into the state telecom tax fund (on voice revenues), you can build in the public ROW and easements and do so at no permit cost. Now the easement or ROW has to allow for telecom. A lot of the rural ones only allow for a road, so then you have to get your own easement anyway. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: ch...@go-mtc.com To: "Mike Hammett" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 12:05:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi The more important detail is that we are regulated as carriers. That is helpful to point out for ROW and easement occupancy. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 10:59 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi The FCC's First Report and Order, issued in September 2005, ruled that providers of broadband Internet access and interconnected VoIP services are regulable as “telecommunications carriers” under CALEA. That order was affirmed and further clarified by the Second Report and Order, dated May 2006. On May 5, 2006, a group of higher education and library organizations led by the American Council on Education (ACE) challenged that ruling, arguing that CALEA did not apply to them. On June 9, 2006, the D.C. Circuit Court summarily denied the petition without addressing the constitutionality.[11] - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ---- From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 11:43:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi I was under the impression that CALEA was for telephone call intercepts? Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 4:29 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi CALEA hasn’t been on my radar much, so this is probably an old topic, but it’s one I don’t know much about. If you provide WiFi in a public space how do you handle compliance? We have parks, airports, and other public spaces with managed WiFi. There are also MDU’s with WiFi in a public area like a courtyard, lounge, lobby, etc. My understanding is you have to be able to capture traffic if you’re ordered to do so. Do you also have to be able to identify the individual? If they ever asked me to capture all traffic from the park WiFi….sure no problem. If they gave me a particular IP, port, and time, and they wanted me to start capturing traffic AND identify who it was, then I would only be able to tell them it was someone at the park. At best I could give them a MAC address and hostname. If I have to identify the customer that’s easy: the municipal parks department, but I’m guessing that’s not what they will want to know. Will this stuff get us in trouble? -Adam -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi
The more important detail is that we are regulated as carriers. That is helpful to point out for ROW and easement occupancy. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 10:59 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi The FCC's First Report and Order, issued in September 2005, ruled that providers of broadband Internet access and interconnected VoIP services are regulable as “telecommunications carriers” under CALEA. That order was affirmed and further clarified by the Second Report and Order, dated May 2006. On May 5, 2006, a group of higher education and library organizations led by the American Council on Education (ACE) challenged that ruling, arguing that CALEA did not apply to them. On June 9, 2006, the D.C. Circuit Court summarily denied the petition without addressing the constitutionality.[11] - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 11:43:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi I was under the impression that CALEA was for telephone call intercepts? Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 4:29 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi CALEA hasn’t been on my radar much, so this is probably an old topic, but it’s one I don’t know much about. If you provide WiFi in a public space how do you handle compliance? We have parks, airports, and other public spaces with managed WiFi. There are also MDU’s with WiFi in a public area like a courtyard, lounge, lobby, etc. My understanding is you have to be able to capture traffic if you’re ordered to do so. Do you also have to be able to identify the individual? If they ever asked me to capture all traffic from the park WiFi….sure no problem. If they gave me a particular IP, port, and time, and they wanted me to start capturing traffic AND identify who it was, then I would only be able to tell them it was someone at the park. At best I could give them a MAC address and hostname. If I have to identify the customer that’s easy: the municipal parks department, but I’m guessing that’s not what they will want to know. Will this stuff get us in trouble? -Adam -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi
I was under the impression that CALEA was for telephone call intercepts? Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 4:29 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] CALEA and WiFi CALEA hasn’t been on my radar much, so this is probably an old topic, but it’s one I don’t know much about. If you provide WiFi in a public space how do you handle compliance? We have parks, airports, and other public spaces with managed WiFi. There are also MDU’s with WiFi in a public area like a courtyard, lounge, lobby, etc. My understanding is you have to be able to capture traffic if you’re ordered to do so. Do you also have to be able to identify the individual? If they ever asked me to capture all traffic from the park WiFi….sure no problem. If they gave me a particular IP, port, and time, and they wanted me to start capturing traffic AND identify who it was, then I would only be able to tell them it was someone at the park. At best I could give them a MAC address and hostname. If I have to identify the customer that’s easy: the municipal parks department, but I’m guessing that’s not what they will want to know. Will this stuff get us in trouble? -Adam -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] PON question
IMO PON is nor more or less redundant/robust than old fashioned POTS. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 3:39 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PON question Mike Hammett kind of touched on what I was asking and why. I was told that Metronet near me had a hut in Batavia that also served St. Charles, Geneva, West Chicago, etc. via PON. Also a company that built a middle mile / anchor institution fiber network with a BTOP grant 12+ years ago convinced the county to let them take it private, and they have run aerial fiber in most of Shabbona which is one of the towns Mike mentioned. With my misconception about how FTTH is typically deployed, I expected there to be at least one cabinet or hut in town. But I think they are just using strands from the BTOP project and feeding it passively from a distant town. I would prefer to see more redundancy, especially since both buried and aerial fiber definitely gets damaged around here, but I guess practical results matter more than what-ifs. At least local power outages shouldn’t take it down, and a central NOC or hut should be able to have serious battery and/or generator backup. From: AF On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 4:12 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PON question PON is one port at your end and then goes through splitters that reduce light and add ports to end up at customer ONTs. 1:128 is pretty short range and high customer count - we could never do that in a rural plant (5-15 miles). Maybe 1:64 but that's about the limit. There is NO redundancy in PON. Best you could do is 2x32 or whatever splitters which is where you feed the downstream fiber with two PON ports. An engineer from Metronet told me they did that but no one could ever answer why (technically or operationally). Think like you have an AP on a tower feeding 32 customers. What are the chances you have an AP right below it with the same SSID/PSK/frequency for the customers to connect to if the first AP goes down? Think of Active E like a bunch of dumb switches. You have a 48 port switch that goes to 48 customers using 48 fibers. If the fiber feeding the switch goes down, it can go to a different fiber/uplink port. On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 7:59 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: Since there are FTTH people here and I’m mostly ignorant of such things, maybe someone can clear something up for me. I always assumed a PON based FTTH system had a topology kind of like HFC. I expected fiber down the street with splitters, but fed by some sort of neighborhood node in a cabinet with power and electronics, fed by active EPL style fiber. Which could have redundant paths, rings, etc. so a fiber cut wouldn’t take down a whole town or multiple towns, the backbone traffic would reroute. I’ve been told this is not the case. And that instead, each PON could go back over a strand to a headend several towns and many miles away, all passive. Sorry for the poor description of my question, hopefully you can figure out what I’m asking. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] PON question
Always nice if you can ring all your remotes/cabinets. But you can home run the customers of feed many off of a single strand. We put splitters in splice cases as needed but I put in enough strands to do active ethernet if we want. Very flexible. If you cut down the the number of splits you can reach farther, just like a coaxial network. However the reach is crazy compared to coax. I have heard of splits as high as 128 per strand. All of our new stuff is XGS-PON. Dropped a bunch of money on it and have not even used it yet. From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2024 11:04 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PON question XGS-PON can theoretically run at 100km, though 60km is about the practical limit we have seen, With a active cabinet in the center and a 60km reach you can have an effective diameter of ~70 miles. With slack, routing, sag, etc. 50 miles is a possibility for cabinet spacing. In the rural areas we use a 10 mile radius with active cabinets 20 miles apart. The active cabinet feeds unpowered splitters either in splice cases along the way, and also feeds passive splitter cabinets in the pockets of density (subdivisions, villages, towns).If the density in a village becomes high enough (or grows) the passive cabinet can be changed to an active cabinet and the fiber previously used to feed splitters becomes your 100G feed into the cabinet. The cabinets that are 20 miles apart have a ring (well, more of a mesh) feed of 100G links to them to provide redundancy, but there is no protection for the PON customers on the passive side. There are ways to provide for PON redundancy including dual fed PON’s with a live / standby link, but it’s significantly more complex to engineer (and IMHO not worth the complexity) given the overall reliability and simplicity of GPON. For a high value customer that needs redundancy active fiber is simpler to deal with for creating redundancy. Mark On Mar 15, 2024, at 7:57 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Since there are FTTH people here and I’m mostly ignorant of such things, maybe someone can clear something up for me. I always assumed a PON based FTTH system had a topology kind of like HFC. I expected fiber down the street with splitters, but fed by some sort of neighborhood node in a cabinet with power and electronics, fed by active EPL style fiber. Which could have redundant paths, rings, etc. so a fiber cut wouldn’t take down a whole town or multiple towns, the backbone traffic would reroute. I’ve been told this is not the case. And that instead, each PON could go back over a strand to a headend several towns and many miles away, all passive. Sorry for the poor description of my question, hopefully you can figure out what I’m asking. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Nice call
Not gonna do that. Our rates are far and equitable. From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2024 3:36 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Josh Luthman Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: RE: [AFMUG] Nice call Offer to match. $25/mo is $25/mo that you wouldn’t otherwise make. Jim Bouse Owner Brazos WiFi 979-985-5912 j...@brazoswifi.com From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2024 4:24 PM To: Josh Luthman ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nice call How you gonna fight $25/month for 1G? Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2024 3:15 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nice call They made money for 2 years and you made negative money with your depreciating ONT. Better now that he's back but damn that's a lot of lost revenue :/ On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 5:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Just had a call from a former customer. He was wanting to come back. He went with an Xfinity $25/month deal. This was 2 years ago. The deal expired and now he wants to come back. We left the ONT and are ready to simply turn him back on. Nice to win one back like that. Especially against those guys. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Nice call
How you gonna fight $25/month for 1G? Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2024 3:15 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nice call They made money for 2 years and you made negative money with your depreciating ONT. Better now that he's back but damn that's a lot of lost revenue :/ On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 5:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Just had a call from a former customer. He was wanting to come back. He went with an Xfinity $25/month deal. This was 2 years ago. The deal expired and now he wants to come back. We left the ONT and are ready to simply turn him back on. Nice to win one back like that. Especially against those guys. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Nice call
Just had a call from a former customer. He was wanting to come back. He went with an Xfinity $25/month deal. This was 2 years ago. The deal expired and now he wants to come back. We left the ONT and are ready to simply turn him back on. Nice to win one back like that. Especially against those guys. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber on bad spool
I agree, if it can be spooled off by hand, put on their gloves and do it. Fig 8 is OK but if you have enough room to just pull it off in a straight line, it goes faster. -Original Message- From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2024 2:02 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber on bad spool If it's too broken to sit on an axle and rotate then I can see why they wouldn't want to play with it. I'm feeling salty today, but for thousands of dollars worth of cable they should suck it up and do it anyway. My only question would be whether to figure-8 the whole thing onto the ground or to take a side off the spool and try to slide the whole coil onto a pipe. Either way, proceed to wind it up onto another spool. Fancy machines are all well and good, but they ought to be able to put some gloves on and spin the new spool by hand. Or bolt a pipe flange to the wood if they need a handle. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2024 11:15 AM To: AFMUG Cc: Mark - Myakka Technologies Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber on bad spool I have some 144 fiber that is sitting on a wooden spool that is rotting away. Apparently this spool is in real bad shape. I'm waiting on some pictures to see how bad. Guys are telling me we are going to have to abandon all the fiber. I hoping to try to re-spool it to another spool. Any tips or tricks? -- Thanks, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber on bad spool
Perfect -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2024 9:54 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber on bad spool Sounds like it would be similar to the machines used to lay field tile. If you could get it on this, it should spool out. https://www.machinerypete.com/details/field-drainage-equipment/2023/liebrecht/tile-trailer/21037638 On 3/6/2024 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: It would have to be pretty bad to not be able to be salvaged. I would try to unspool it out in a straight line in a field. Then use a spool trailer that has some power to wind it back up on a good spool. There are some old horizontal pay out trailers that were largely used for open wire line. No idea where you could find one. But even if you had to remove all the reel parts and just have the coils you could use that. You could make one by taking a truck or trailer wheel and spindle and making a horizontal lazy susan turntable to put the reel on and pay it out that way. -Original Message- From: Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2024 9:14 AM To: AFMUG Cc: Mark - Myakka Technologies Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber on bad spool I have some 144 fiber that is sitting on a wooden spool that is rotting away. Apparently this spool is in real bad shape. I'm waiting on some pictures to see how bad. Guys are telling me we are going to have to abandon all the fiber. I hoping to try to re-spool it to another spool. Any tips or tricks? -- Thanks, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber on bad spool
It would have to be pretty bad to not be able to be salvaged. I would try to unspool it out in a straight line in a field. Then use a spool trailer that has some power to wind it back up on a good spool. There are some old horizontal pay out trailers that were largely used for open wire line. No idea where you could find one. But even if you had to remove all the reel parts and just have the coils you could use that. You could make one by taking a truck or trailer wheel and spindle and making a horizontal lazy susan turntable to put the reel on and pay it out that way. -Original Message- From: Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2024 9:14 AM To: AFMUG Cc: Mark - Myakka Technologies Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber on bad spool I have some 144 fiber that is sitting on a wooden spool that is rotting away. Apparently this spool is in real bad shape. I'm waiting on some pictures to see how bad. Guys are telling me we are going to have to abandon all the fiber. I hoping to try to re-spool it to another spool. Any tips or tricks? -- Thanks, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Security camera experience
We can never see the license plates. From: Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2024 8:50 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security camera experience It might be OK. The G5-PRO has a visor over the top, plus, in this instance it will be pointed down at an approximately 45° angle. I think it will be mounted high enough that there won't be any splash from the ground below. That said, it would not be a problem for me to fashion an additional visor. Thanks for the tip though. bp On 3/5/2024 7:35 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: The problem I've found with bullt in illumination for outdoor cameras is that often the leds for illumination are behind the glass the camera is looking through. As a result, the illuminator ends up illuminating anything that is on the glass and preventing good night vision. In an outdoor setting, the glass doesn't stay clean for very long so for outdoor cameras I almost always use an external illuminator. I don't know how the camera you mentioned is designed and if that is the case with it. On Mon, Mar 4, 2024, 2:35 PM Bill Prince wrote: I might, but the built-in illuminator goes an advertised 82 feet, which is a bit farther than I need. I've seen comparisons between the G5 cameras and the G4s and G3s, and the G5 is noticeably sharper; even in IR. bp On 3/4/2024 12:30 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Someone told me there is a USB connector for powering an illuminator. But > it sounds like you are already planning on one of these: > https://store.ui.com/us/en/collections/unifi-accessory-tech-camera-enhancers > /products/uacc-g5-enhancer > > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince > Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 2:13 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security camera experience > > The G5-PRO does allow you to turn off its IR so you can add a different > illuminator. However, being color blind, I'm not all that impressed by > color. That would also require running another cable to power the > illuminator. > > bp > > > On 3/4/2024 11:37 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> Some people get a powerful add-on IR illuminator, that could also let you >> choose the wavelength to make sure it's not visible. >> >> I've seen ads for color night vision cameras, that could be good IF it > works >> as advertised. On our G4 Pro tower cameras I wish I could delay the > switch >> to night vision until it's really dark, the B image is less useful. >> >> Here's an example of what I've seen advertised: >> >> https://www.tp-link.com/us/technology/tapo-camera/ >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince >> Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 1:09 PM >> To: af@af.afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security camera experience >> >> The only problems with that camera are 1)Effectively no sun in this >> location, 2)No LTE available there, 3)No IR mode, and 4)The spotlight > (which >> I don't want anyway) only goes 26 feet (big whoop). >> >> >> bp >> >> >> On 3/4/2024 10:43 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> Not really answering your question, but I did see this article a few >>> days >>> ago: >>> https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/27/24085151/anker-eufy-4k-lte-cam-s330 >>> -featu >>> res-price >>> >>> As far as Ubiquiti cameras, I only have the F4-Pro so can't comment on >>> the G5. >>> >>> At night, IR mode is a mixed bag. People and critters become glowing >> eyes. >>> In some weather we get swirling fog or mystery floaties. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince >>> Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 12:31 PM >>> To: AFMUG >>> Subject: [AFMUG] Security camera experience >>> >>> I tried sending this "OT", but nothing happened (reminds me of a >>> 3-Stooges script), so I decided that maybe it's not so off topic after >> all. >>> We want to put up a security camera where it is far enough away, and >>> with terrain & tree issues overlooking the entrance to our property. >>> It will be about 50-60 feet above the driveway. There are no lights >>> down there, and the spot where I want to put it is difficult enough to >>> reach that I don't want to mess with batteries or WiFi. So it will be a >> wired/POE camera. >>> The camera that (so far) seems to meet my needs is the Unifi >>> UVC-G5-PRO, mainly because it has an ~~80 foot range in IR mode, and >>> the image quality is noticeably better than the G4 and below models. >>> It also has enough smarts to act as a "doorbell" of sorts should anyone >> come driving up. >>> One downside is that it's WHITE, so I will need to camo it somewhat. I >>> don't know if the IR is low or no
Re: [AFMUG] Security camera experience
I got both. Just have no useful comments. From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 10:31 AM To: AFMUG Subject: [AFMUG] Security camera experience I tried sending this "OT", but nothing happened (reminds me of a 3-Stooges script), so I decided that maybe it's not so off topic after all. We want to put up a security camera where it is far enough away, and with terrain & tree issues overlooking the entrance to our property. It will be about 50-60 feet above the driveway. There are no lights down there, and the spot where I want to put it is difficult enough to reach that I don't want to mess with batteries or WiFi. So it will be a wired/POE camera. The camera that (so far) seems to meet my needs is the Unifi UVC-G5-PRO, mainly because it has an ~~80 foot range in IR mode, and the image quality is noticeably better than the G4 and below models. It also has enough smarts to act as a "doorbell" of sorts should anyone come driving up. One downside is that it's WHITE, so I will need to camo it somewhat. I don't know if the IR is low or no glow, but that would be a major plus if it had it because I don't want it drawing attention. It will also require Ubiqiti's Cloud Key G2+ to act as an NVR (and it can handle a few more cameras should the need arise). Before I pull the trigger on this, I thought I'd throw it out to the Borg to see if anyone has any other thoughts or recommendations. -- bp -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT LinkedIn
Yep, we have a Universal Robot U10 welder to keep up with orders. Hopefully by this time next year I will manufacture or supply 100% of everything a contractor needs to do microtrenching except for the fiber blowing and splicing. Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 435-830-4306 cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench-blades.com www.terabitnetworks.com -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2024 7:40 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT LinkedIn I went and watched a couple of your videos. Those are some big blades. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2024 12:19 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT LinkedIn Youtube channel is alive and well. Full of microtrenching stuff. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2024 4:50 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT LinkedIn In drag racing, NASCAR, etc. the cars are covered with stickers from parts manufacturers. I don't suppose you could get your customers to put your name on their vehicles. Perhaps more seriously, I'm not sure people in our business spend much time on Linkedin or even Facebook, Instagram, Tiktok, etc. But a common denominator seems to be Youtube instructional videos. I think you should bring back your Youtube channel. Videos of actual customers using your products on the job would be excellent. What was the brand of tools they were always pushing on Home Improvement, Binford? Oh, and the Tool Time girl. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2024 9:20 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT LinkedIn I will be the first to proclaim that I am not your marketing guru. However, I play a stellar hindsight game. Back in the day, I worked for a company with a head of marketing that was really good at predicting the exact opposite way to go. I commented once in a group of co-workers that they should plant an arrow out of his back, and go that way. FWIW, I have never acted on any of the 10-bazillion offers I've gotten from LinkedIn. So maybe it's a good idea? bp On 3/1/2024 7:56 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I've never tried it, but I would think no. Total waste of time and money. Note however that I am a marketing ignoramus. I am the person you ask and then do the opposite. So yes it would probably do great. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Friday, March 1, 2024 9:36 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: [AFMUG] OT LinkedIn Is a marketing campaign on LinkedIn worth the effort? Sent from my iPhone -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT LinkedIn
Youtube channel is alive and well. Full of microtrenching stuff. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2024 4:50 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT LinkedIn In drag racing, NASCAR, etc. the cars are covered with stickers from parts manufacturers. I don't suppose you could get your customers to put your name on their vehicles. Perhaps more seriously, I'm not sure people in our business spend much time on Linkedin or even Facebook, Instagram, Tiktok, etc. But a common denominator seems to be Youtube instructional videos. I think you should bring back your Youtube channel. Videos of actual customers using your products on the job would be excellent. What was the brand of tools they were always pushing on Home Improvement, Binford? Oh, and the Tool Time girl. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2024 9:20 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT LinkedIn I will be the first to proclaim that I am not your marketing guru. However, I play a stellar hindsight game. Back in the day, I worked for a company with a head of marketing that was really good at predicting the exact opposite way to go. I commented once in a group of co-workers that they should plant an arrow out of his back, and go that way. FWIW, I have never acted on any of the 10-bazillion offers I've gotten from LinkedIn. So maybe it's a good idea? bp On 3/1/2024 7:56 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I've never tried it, but I would think no. Total waste of time and money. Note however that I am a marketing ignoramus. I am the person you ask and then do the opposite. So yes it would probably do great. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Friday, March 1, 2024 9:36 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: [AFMUG] OT LinkedIn Is a marketing campaign on LinkedIn worth the effort? Sent from my iPhone -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT LinkedIn
I am not very marketing savvy at all. But it is a necessary evil. I see other companies doing marketing there. Most of my bang comes from a FB group I started. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2024 4:56 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT LinkedIn I've never tried it, but I would think no. Total waste of time and money. Note however that I am a marketing ignoramus. I am the person you ask and then do the opposite. So yes it would probably do great. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Friday, March 1, 2024 9:36 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: [AFMUG] OT LinkedIn Is a marketing campaign on LinkedIn worth the effort? Sent from my iPhone -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] OT LinkedIn
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Re: [AFMUG] Wood Pole Mount
Way too busy building microtrench blades, saws, grout machines etc. From: Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 9:09 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wood Pole Mount "I sold off all my tower mount business to a local fabricator. Not sure if he is doing the chain mount or not. " WTF chuck On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 12:20 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I sold off all my tower mount business to a local fabricator. Not sure if he is doing the chain mount or not. Hunter Clark hun...@c3fab.com Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 11:10 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wood Pole Mount Chain mount. Chuck has them as does PV and CommScope. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com On Feb 20, 2024, at 1:06 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I think I’ve got some of the Valmont ones on the shelf. Like everything from SitePro1, they are huskier than they look in the catalog. From: AF On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 11:40 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wood Pole Mount +1 to both of those suggestions. a.. I’ve seen plenty of universal mounts attached to a wooden pole (J-arms, J-pipes, or whatever you want to call them). b.. Rohn WM4 is the name brand galvanized 4” wall mount, but there are a thousand copies out there. Just watch out for zinc plating or other BS finishes. I’m sure Channel Master is fine. One other thing, you’re not supposed to drill into the top surface of a wooden pole because rain will pool in the holes and speed up rotting. You’re also not supposed to drill the sides within so many inches of the top (4” maybe? I don’t recall). That’s why those pole-top mounts you see are straddling the top and have bolt holes farther down. If you put a galvanized pipe into one of those wall mounts then you can have your mast above the top and also not be putting hardware at the top. Electric/phone companies won’t like that solution because it uses more vertical real estate, but if it’s just a light pole then it ought not be a problem. If you do want something heavy duty that won’t break the bank then look at the Site Pro version of the WM4: https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list=1218 https://valmont-sitepro1-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/spec-sheet/HDWM04%20(Assembly).pdf I don’t know the thickness of the steel stock, but the Channel Master one weighs 1 pound and the Site Pro one weighs 6.8 pounds, so I’m sure it’s sufficiently burly for most equipment. -Adam From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 10:52 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wood Pole Mount Or the ChannelMaster 4" offset wall mounts, we call them W brackets. Original Message From: "Josh Luthman" Sent: 2/20/2024 9:37:59 AM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wood Pole Mount Just use a Jpole? Or an MTOW? On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 10:31?AM Matt wrote: I need to mount a small steel pole to a wood light pole. The kits I see online are like $300 range and way more robust than I need. Just mounting a small yagi a few feet above the top of the wood pole. Does anyone know of anything? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Wood Pole Mount
But on the nut, curve in or out?... ;-) -Original Message- From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 4:04 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wood Pole Mount If you're putting that rod through a pole, spend an extra $2 on a square curve washer for the back side: https://www.linemen-tools.com/Square_Curved_Washer_2_1_2_x_2_1_2_x_3_16_J6822_p/h-j6822.htm What you're describing might be a conduit standoff bracket. That same linemen-tools.com site may have something similar if you dig through their catalog. -Adam -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 2:54 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wood Pole Mount I like this but pricey but still will likely go with it if I find nothing else. https://www.commscope.com/product-type/structural-support-tools-accessories/structural-support-equipment/structural-mounts/pipe-mounts/itemdb365w/ I saw one on a pole a few weeks back that had a banding bracket with a hose clamp that went around the steel pipe and a long bolt that went through the wood pole. Been looking online for something like that with no luck. Its like above with bolt through pole but instead of clamp kit it had a banding bracket and hose clamp to attach to the metal pipe. Have used j-arms for this before but they're flimsy and have had them blow over in the wind. Not wanting that to happen in this application. On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 9:29 AM Matt wrote: I need to mount a small steel pole to a wood light pole. The kits I see online are like $300 range and way more robust than I need. Just mounting a small yagi a few feet above the top of the wood pole. Does anyone know of anything? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Wood Pole Mount
I sold off all my tower mount business to a local fabricator. Not sure if he is doing the chain mount or not. Hunter Clark hun...@c3fab.com Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 11:10 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wood Pole Mount Chain mount. Chuck has them as does PV and CommScope. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com On Feb 20, 2024, at 1:06 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I think I’ve got some of the Valmont ones on the shelf. Like everything from SitePro1, they are huskier than they look in the catalog. From: AF On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 11:40 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wood Pole Mount +1 to both of those suggestions. a.. I’ve seen plenty of universal mounts attached to a wooden pole (J-arms, J-pipes, or whatever you want to call them). b.. Rohn WM4 is the name brand galvanized 4” wall mount, but there are a thousand copies out there. Just watch out for zinc plating or other BS finishes. I’m sure Channel Master is fine. One other thing, you’re not supposed to drill into the top surface of a wooden pole because rain will pool in the holes and speed up rotting. You’re also not supposed to drill the sides within so many inches of the top (4” maybe? I don’t recall). That’s why those pole-top mounts you see are straddling the top and have bolt holes farther down. If you put a galvanized pipe into one of those wall mounts then you can have your mast above the top and also not be putting hardware at the top. Electric/phone companies won’t like that solution because it uses more vertical real estate, but if it’s just a light pole then it ought not be a problem. If you do want something heavy duty that won’t break the bank then look at the Site Pro version of the WM4: https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list=1218 https://valmont-sitepro1-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/spec-sheet/HDWM04%20(Assembly).pdf I don’t know the thickness of the steel stock, but the Channel Master one weighs 1 pound and the Site Pro one weighs 6.8 pounds, so I’m sure it’s sufficiently burly for most equipment. -Adam From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 10:52 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wood Pole Mount Or the ChannelMaster 4" offset wall mounts, we call them W brackets. Original Message From: "Josh Luthman" Sent: 2/20/2024 9:37:59 AM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wood Pole Mount Just use a Jpole? Or an MTOW? On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 10:31?AM Matt wrote: I need to mount a small steel pole to a wood light pole. The kits I see online are like $300 range and way more robust than I need. Just mounting a small yagi a few feet above the top of the wood pole. Does anyone know of anything? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen
Someone said they unbolted the sections. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, February 19, 2024 1:32 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen So you’re saying they used an axe? From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Monday, February 19, 2024 2:21 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen I was the first to jump to it being either an inside job or someone that really had an axe to grind with the owner. The effort involved in stealing a tower would not be worth the value of the scrap steel I would not think. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, February 19, 2024 1:16 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen Not once you cut the wires and/or steal the transmitter. But there have been multiple reports the site has been offline for years and lying to the FCC so they can operate via their FM repeater. Not saying the reports are true, what’s the acronym now for “just asking questions”, JAQ? From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Monday, February 19, 2024 2:09 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen How does somebody steal an AM tower without getting electrocuted? arent they all energized? On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 5:50 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: Is that the “you’re not using it so it’s mine now” rule? Does that apply to cars? How about spouses? From: AF On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 4:53 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen It's in our neighboring county. Been there, know the guy, know the station. For those of you who don't know, I operate a LPFM in our home county (since 2014) 1) Ok, why on EARTH is this viral? Like internationally viral? 2) For all the backstory / scuttlebutt you could ever want (and not even on facebook) : https://www.radiodiscussions.com/threads/wjlx-200-tower-reported-stolen.769741 3) Ok, so chop chop the guy wires, the tower thuds on the ground and you just unscrew it in 10 foot sections just like a rohn25, no? I don't know how "no one" knew it was missing tho. Clearly no one listens to that AM, except for the locals, who say it has been off air for at least 5 years. In my home county we have two licensed AMS, 1340 and 1460. 1460 has been off air for at least 5 years, but never filed as silent and still shows as licensed. 1340 signed off last week - the property had been abandoned, seized for unpaid taxes, auctioned from the federal government (all by the guy currently running it), and now it's being sold for a development of houses. Good for them. Promise you lots of other AMS feeding fm translators where the AMs are also silent - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown via AF To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 2:18 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 12:42 PM To: Chuck McCown Subject: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alabama-station-disbelief-200-foot-radio-tower-stolen-rcna137877 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen
I was the first to jump to it being either an inside job or someone that really had an axe to grind with the owner. The effort involved in stealing a tower would not be worth the value of the scrap steel I would not think. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, February 19, 2024 1:16 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen Not once you cut the wires and/or steal the transmitter. But there have been multiple reports the site has been offline for years and lying to the FCC so they can operate via their FM repeater. Not saying the reports are true, what’s the acronym now for “just asking questions”, JAQ? From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Monday, February 19, 2024 2:09 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen How does somebody steal an AM tower without getting electrocuted? arent they all energized? On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 5:50 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: Is that the “you’re not using it so it’s mine now” rule? Does that apply to cars? How about spouses? From: AF On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 4:53 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen It's in our neighboring county. Been there, know the guy, know the station. For those of you who don't know, I operate a LPFM in our home county (since 2014) 1) Ok, why on EARTH is this viral? Like internationally viral? 2) For all the backstory / scuttlebutt you could ever want (and not even on facebook) : https://www.radiodiscussions.com/threads/wjlx-200-tower-reported-stolen.769741 3) Ok, so chop chop the guy wires, the tower thuds on the ground and you just unscrew it in 10 foot sections just like a rohn25, no? I don't know how "no one" knew it was missing tho. Clearly no one listens to that AM, except for the locals, who say it has been off air for at least 5 years. In my home county we have two licensed AMS, 1340 and 1460. 1460 has been off air for at least 5 years, but never filed as silent and still shows as licensed. 1340 signed off last week - the property had been abandoned, seized for unpaid taxes, auctioned from the federal government (all by the guy currently running it), and now it's being sold for a development of houses. Good for them. Promise you lots of other AMS feeding fm translators where the AMs are also silent - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown via AF To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 2:18 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 12:42 PM To: Chuck McCown Subject: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alabama-station-disbelief-200-foot-radio-tower-stolen-rcna137877 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature
For a while, I tried to modify my behavior to not trample the feelings of (several of) my kids that are a bit thin skinned. But this summer, having almost lost my wife while on vacation in Barcelona, I just said screw it. If they want the privilege of being around me, they will just have to put up with me. They speak of boundaries, so I decided I have boundaries too. Deal with it or leave. You might miss me once I am gone. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 5:56 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Excuse me while I yell at a cloud. From: AF On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 6:47 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Oh sorry, I didn’t mean to say that you were a hater. I’m getting older, so to act my age I have to do some general purpose grouching. From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 11:55 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I didn’t mean to come across as a hater. The 450 features they have given us are impressive, in my case a bit overwhelming. I feel like I just sat down in the cockpit of a big commercial airplane. Everything you say is true, I just need some quiet time and some brain enhancer pills to wrap my head around all the options. I hope the money guys aren’t leaning too heavily into “FWA is dead, gotta pivot quick to fiber”. Yes, do new things if you have some advantages that will allow you to be successful, but you also have to be able to walk and chew gum. From: AF On Behalf Of dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:38 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature I loved that stats were there and that documentation accurately described what they meant and what the knobs are for. I also always felt that Cambium was listening to the operators and trying to give us what we needed and wanted. If you can read, you can use the product without support, but in the few cases I did need support it was available and I didn’t have to pay for it. They also never BS’d me about what the product could do, and they never failed to support a product for a reasonable amount of time….even the 320 which was kind of a dog. Telrad documentation would take a whole paragraph to tell you how to change an integer value and not ever tell you what it does. We also paid real money for support who couldn’t help us, and certain people there made absurd claims about capabilities. Ubiquiti gives you what they give you and doesn’t help you at all. You can try to get answers on the forum, but the signal to noise ratio on a support forum can be terrible. Alvarion VL was a decent product for it’s time, but all their Wimax stuff was garbage. I’d actually take PMP320 with all of its idiosyncrasies over any Alvarion BreezeMax or whatever else. And the list of terrible PMP products is too long to get into. There must have been three dozen stupid WiFi things packaged up like they were something more awesome than just a stupid WiFi thing. I don’t know what’s up with Cambium haters. Did they actually use it and objectively compare it to the competition, or are they blinded by the desire to save a few dollars? Anyway…..the short version of all that is that all I had to do to appreciate Cambium PMP was try someone else’s crap for awhile. If the worst thing we have to complain about is that a feature shipped before a license key was on the market then that’s not a bad product. -Adam From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2024 10:33 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature 450m and 450 in general has so many knobs you can tweak and stats to analyze it seems they should have an AI powered advisor in cnMaestro to help you optimize the settings. Original Message From: "Tyson Burris" Sent: 2/13/2024 9:23:06 AM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m uplink interference cancellation feature Cambium is in a bit of scramble mode with everything going on and folks breathing down their neck. I fully expect this to be a free unlock at this point. Tyson Burris President & CEO Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-412-1540 (emergency/after-hours) 317-738-0320 (office) t...@franklinisp.net ??www.surfici.net Fixed Wireless Broadband - PtP/PtMP Solutions – Indoor/Oudoor Wifi - IP Cameras - Fiber – MDUs Active Member To The Following: WISPA
Re: [AFMUG] OT 2038 Linux
Would you kiss a monkey though? From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 5:48 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 2038 Linux Had to look that up, but yes. But from a less selfish standpoint, with all the stuff going on in the world right now, it seems like there are bigger problems that need solving between now and 2038. If my kids are still around in 2038 (and apes or cockroaches or space aliens don’t rule the world), I hope the worst problem they face is whether Linux has a date rollover problem. Rather than being like Charlton Heston shouting you bastards, you finally did it, you blew it up! From: AF On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 5:59 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 2038 Linux i.e. you are raising your SEP field... On 2/12/24 11:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I’m not President or a Senator or Supreme Court Justice, so in 2038 I plan to be retired or dead. It will be somebody else’s problem. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 1:02 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT 2038 Linux "The latest time which can be represented like this is 03:14:07 UTC on January 19, 2038," said Zimmie. "Once the timer is incremented from this second, the value 'overflows' and goes from being a large positive number to being a large negative number. The next second this counter can represent is 20:45:52 UTC on December 13, 1901. This is called the Year 2038 Problem." -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT 2038 Linux
Well that was a bit shortsighted... From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 4:06 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 2038 Linux When I worked for Tandem back in the 80s, around 1985, they ran a project they called Grandfather, where they decided to use the Julian date in a 64-bit integer representing the number of microseconds since 4713 BC. Since there are only 31,556,952,000,000 microseconds per year, that means their clock would not roll over for around 580,000 years. Good enough for me. bp On 2/12/2024 2:38 PM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_time#Operating_systems Fun chart here. Linux kernels after 5.10 support dates up to July 2486. The 2038 thing affects older kernels. It also may impact a variety of other things that might have stored dates as a 32 bit integer. File system time stamps, database time fields, etc. The time data type in C was originally 32 bit, and changing it to 64 bit creates compatibility problems for code which assumed a 32 bit value. If it’s C compiled recently for a 64 bit system then it maybe probably has a 64 bit time data type already, but old software may run for a long time. People are already coding for dates farther into the future than 2038 so the issue would be with embedded systems that never get replaced or updated. I’m sure there are innumerable examples, but I suspect most of them are systems that don’t really care what year it is. If a negative value breaks it, then reset the clock to 1978 and buy yourself another 50 years to get your upgrade budget approved. Interestingly, according to that chart, Windows supports dates past the year 30,000, but the IBM PC BIOS only counts up to 2079. I suppose the next panic will be when 2079 approaches. -Adam From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 3:54 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 2038 Linux Someone explain to me why the system clock is a signed integer? We need the IPV6 version of the system clock. Also please note that David Mills; the inventor of NTP passed away January 17, 2024. He was known as "Father Time". bpOn 2/12/2024 11:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I’m not President or a Senator or Supreme Court Justice, so in 2038 I plan to be retired or dead. It will be somebody else’s problem. From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 1:02 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT 2038 Linux "The latest time which can be represented like this is 03:14:07 UTC on January 19, 2038," said Zimmie. "Once the timer is incremented from this second, the value 'overflows' and goes from being a large positive number to being a large negative number. The next second this counter can represent is 20:45:52 UTC on December 13, 1901. This is called the Year 2038 Problem." -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] OT 2038 Linux
"The latest time which can be represented like this is 03:14:07 UTC on January 19, 2038," said Zimmie. "Once the timer is incremented from this second, the value 'overflows' and goes from being a large positive number to being a large negative number. The next second this counter can represent is 20:45:52 UTC on December 13, 1901. This is called the Year 2038 Problem." -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen
Don’t you have to log transmitter power each day? From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 3:53 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen It's in our neighboring county. Been there, know the guy, know the station. For those of you who don't know, I operate a LPFM in our home county (since 2014) 1) Ok, why on EARTH is this viral? Like internationally viral? 2) For all the backstory / scuttlebutt you could ever want (and not even on facebook) : https://www.radiodiscussions.com/threads/wjlx-200-tower-reported-stolen.769741 3) Ok, so chop chop the guy wires, the tower thuds on the ground and you just unscrew it in 10 foot sections just like a rohn25, no? I don't know how "no one" knew it was missing tho. Clearly no one listens to that AM, except for the locals, who say it has been off air for at least 5 years. In my home county we have two licensed AMS, 1340 and 1460. 1460 has been off air for at least 5 years, but never filed as silent and still shows as licensed. 1340 signed off last week - the property had been abandoned, seized for unpaid taxes, auctioned from the federal government (all by the guy currently running it), and now it's being sold for a development of houses. Good for them. Promise you lots of other AMS feeding fm translators where the AMs are also silent - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown via AF To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 2:18 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 12:42 PM To: Chuck McCown Subject: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alabama-station-disbelief-200-foot-radio-tower-stolen-rcna137877 -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Fw: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen
From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 12:42 PM To: Chuck McCown Subject: NBC News: Alabama station in disbelief after 200-foot radio tower stolen https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alabama-station-disbelief-200-foot-radio-tower-stolen-rcna137877 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT fun trick running a variac in reverse
Yeah, I always wondered if the smoke was toxic. Nice bang and a bunch of paper fluff floating around. Did you ever retaliate? From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2024 9:38 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fun trick running a variac in reverse When I was in college we had something called cooperative education or “coop jobs”, basically a semester in industry as a paid intern. At my coop job you typically arrived at 8am, grabbed coffee from the machine, and turned on the power strip at your lab bench. They never tired of sticking an electrolytic capacitor into one of the outlets on your power strip so it would explode. Almost as much fun as a banana potato. From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2024 10:16 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fun trick running a variac in reverse I always used a potato. bpOn 2/7/2024 7:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Variac is just an autotransformer with a variable tap. Not surprising you can swap input and output. Watch out for voltage ratings though. And wrong gender plugs. I thought it was potato in the tailpipe. Original Message From: "Cameron Crum" Sent: 2/7/2024 9:15:03 AM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT fun trick running a variac in reverse Ah the old 'variac in reverse' trick, similar to a banana in the tailpipe. On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 6:05?PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Was testing a repair to a 480 volt induction heater today. One of our employees decided to blow the dirt out of it, took the cover off and got a copper tube across an inductor to case ground. It was probably 800 VDC at that spot. Discharged the capacitor. Sounded like a gunshot. Tripped a 125 amp 480 volt breaker at our power service panel. Turning it off at the front switch just turns off the control circuitry. Everything else is hot unless you kill the breaker on the back of the unit. I think the kid is still shaking. In any event, took the power supply to the lab. Used a variac to put 0 to 130 volts across each leg with a clamp on volt meter on it as I tested. Never got past 10 volts and was drawing 3-5 amps. 3 phase bridge rectifier was totally shorted out. Exactly as expected. These things take raw 480 VAC, rectifier, 800 VDC cap and then on to the IGBT transistors that chop it into ac etc. I was hoping it was just the rectifier. So we got the replacement today. Put it in and started testing. No current, all the way up to 130 volts. But the cap was charging. So far looks good. Told my sons to take it back and hook it up to 480. My son Frank said “just reverse your variac and use it to step up”. I initially refused to believe it would work. Then I thought through it a bit and decided that it actually should work. I started with the variac set at 130 volts output. Feeding 120 into the output gave us about 110 on the input (that was connected across one phase of the induction unit). As I turned the variac down the voltage went up. I got to 380 volts before we started smelling that wonderful “Allen Bradley” wafting through the lab and the variac started buzzing pretty bad. I think I got it down to about 60 volts. But we got it high enough out (in?) that the control transformer made enough juice to power the control circuitry. It appears that the machine is fixed. Of course until we actually try to use it we will not know for certain. But the TL;DR is: You can run a variac backwards and make higher voltages. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] OT fun trick running a variac in reverse
Was testing a repair to a 480 volt induction heater today. One of our employees decided to blow the dirt out of it, took the cover off and got a copper tube across an inductor to case ground. It was probably 800 VDC at that spot. Discharged the capacitor. Sounded like a gunshot. Tripped a 125 amp 480 volt breaker at our power service panel. Turning it off at the front switch just turns off the control circuitry. Everything else is hot unless you kill the breaker on the back of the unit. I think the kid is still shaking. In any event, took the power supply to the lab. Used a variac to put 0 to 130 volts across each leg with a clamp on volt meter on it as I tested. Never got past 10 volts and was drawing 3-5 amps. 3 phase bridge rectifier was totally shorted out. Exactly as expected. These things take raw 480 VAC, rectifier, 800 VDC cap and then on to the IGBT transistors that chop it into ac etc. I was hoping it was just the rectifier. So we got the replacement today. Put it in and started testing. No current, all the way up to 130 volts. But the cap was charging. So far looks good. Told my sons to take it back and hook it up to 480. My son Frank said “just reverse your variac and use it to step up”. I initially refused to believe it would work. Then I thought through it a bit and decided that it actually should work. I started with the variac set at 130 volts output. Feeding 120 into the output gave us about 110 on the input (that was connected across one phase of the induction unit). As I turned the variac down the voltage went up. I got to 380 volts before we started smelling that wonderful “Allen Bradley” wafting through the lab and the variac started buzzing pretty bad. I think I got it down to about 60 volts. But we got it high enough out (in?) that the control transformer made enough juice to power the control circuitry. It appears that the machine is fixed. Of course until we actually try to use it we will not know for certain. But the TL;DR is: You can run a variac backwards and make higher voltages. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: New Cambium HQ
Really nice prison... Is it the place Ken is thinking of? Always good to have engineering and admin in the same place. From: Ray Savich via AF Sent: Monday, January 29, 2024 1:45 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Ray Savich Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: New Cambium HQ The move is in progress. We will for sure have videos and we will welcome a visit any time. Ray From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, January 29, 2024 1:41 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] New Cambium HQ I was drawing a blank on AT HQ in Hoffman Estates and “Bell Works” until I realized that’s the former “Ameritech Center” building. In other words, new AT, not old AT I think I’ve been in the building once or twice, probably in the late 1990’s when I worked at Westell and the building was new. I was on the DSL standards subcommittee and Tom Starr of Ameritech was the chairperson, so likely I was meeting with him. I remember it as the somewhat weird building with the catwalks. Kind of like a really nice prison. From: AF On Behalf Of Nate Burke Sent: Monday, January 29, 2024 1:20 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] New Cambium HQ I saw an article in the local paper this morning that Cambium is moving their HQ into the Old AT HQ (Bell Works) in Hoffman Estates. It mentioned that this will allow them to have both Corporate and Engineering at the same site. Hope we get some tours of their new space once it's up and running. Excerpt below from https://www.dailyherald.com/20240128/business/a-game-changer-bell-works-chicagoland-in-hoffman-estates-ready-to-add-homes/ (Possibly Paywalled) "wireless infrastructure provider Cambium Networks moving its U.S. headquarters from Rolling Meadows to Bell Works. The Motorola spinoff’s 35,000 square feet currently under renovation was not only the largest new lease of 2023 at Bell Works but takes advantage of a novel opportunity to have its corporate offices and engineering labs on the same property. “Here we’ve married the two,” Zucker said. “They’ve brought both of their uses together. The village modified the zoning here to accommodate that.” The company’s research and development will be conducted in newly equipped space on the first floor, with its offices and conference rooms on the fourth. Cambium Networks Senior Engineer Evan Boyack said there are few facilities that could offer the combination of space. The international company has a desire to stay in Chicago’s Northwest suburbs because it remains the base of the talent pool Motorola attracted there. Amenities such as the Fairgrounds World’s Fair restaurant and bar were another attraction of Bell Works, he added. “Having these amenities helps bring our engineers back to the office,” Boyack said." -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] compensation for employees
We do have a fully funded health plan. We make them wait 6 months for eligibility. Has not seemed to be an impediment to hiring. Thanks everyone. I think I will steer clear of published performance based bonuses but just give surprise bonuses now and then. I could give a spiff based on the completion of certain machines but some of the teams have overlap and tracking that program could be difficult. I will just crank up the pay a bit. I am a bit below average for companies of my type but not for employers on average in my area. We are about $19/hr company wide with some making as much as $24. Still hard to run a family and pay a mortgage with that kind of pay. Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 435-830-4306 cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench-blades.com www.terabitnetworks.com From: Trey Scarborough Sent: Monday, January 29, 2024 9:52 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] compensation for employees I have always found one of the best ways is to provide better benifits/perks. As others have said 401k match is a good one, but if that's not something most your employees would be interested in. Fully paid health insurance can be one, also send them to training or a tradeshow. Even welders like to go to a tradeshow and gawk at all the new equipment... One of the best I found was catered lunches. We would have a day or two a week we would bring in food from a good restaurant or order some good steaks and grill them. It was also good as it got everyone together. Another thing is give them a budget to go and buy whatever tools/equipment/etc that you can write off and let them keep it personally. Works great for labor workers and IT staff. The more mechanical inclined typically went out and buy nice tools and the others typically would get a laptop, or build a gaming rig. On 1/28/24 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: My latest pivot a couple of years ago to microtrenching blades, adding grout machines, then microtrenching saw attachments and now to a specialized type of vacuum excavator has gone extremely well. Almost no software involved. Just a little in a motion control PCB in the grout machine to control the hydrostatic transmission. This is by far my most profitable season I have ever had in 50 years of running some kind of hustle. And those years of the stinger and other related antennas and hardware were not bad at all. I am a bit more confident that these new “durable products” have more legs than the antennas that were radio specific. But having been through wax and wane of business, economy and product cycles for many decades, I am always reticent to ratchet up pay. I do give bonuses. I will always live in fear of not meeting payroll. Only happened once about 30 years ago, but that is a bad deal. And actually nobody was unpaid but I had to layoff everyone. But I digress. What would y’all suggest as a way to reward employees when things are going well? I give COLA plus modest merit increases every 6 months. I could give substantial merit increases but that plays into my phobia of things getting tight again. Maybe that is totally unfounded. I know when things started going well for Henry Ford he doubled pay and things got even better for him. I would like to do bonuses based on my bottom line income (I think), but how to distribute that evenly? Should everyone get the same amount? And how to relate that the size of the bonus is tied directly to how well the company is doing? Or should I just give really nice raises this go around? Or both? I guess if things slow down we can always trim staff or let attrition do it for us. I think you all can understand the reluctance to give raises as it is a one way street. You really cannot cut pay. I want employees to prosper and do better personally. I wonder if my fears are justified. I know some of you have worked for large companies at certain points in your life, how did they accomplish this. I know some of you have really prospered with your WISP/ISP, curious how you approached the whole sharing the wealth thing. Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 435-830-4306 cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench-blades.com www.terabitnetworks.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com