Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
Which they don't feel confident releasing to anyone anymore...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:32 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
Dev build ;)
On 2015-06-11 10:38 pm, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
now running at over 100MBps on a 10MHz channel... ???
Is that Air rate you are quoting ?
256QAM on a 10meg channel falls short of 100MBps ...
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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FROM: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
TO: af@afmug.com
SENT: Thursday, June 11, 2015 8:42:24 PM
SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
Ours replaced RM5's that wouldn't even link... now running at over
100MBps on a 10MHz channel...
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com [1]
On 06/11/2015 04:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
No it's just the Af5x...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 7:57 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
You seem to have a lot of issues with radios that won't link up. ;-)
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com [2]
[3] [4] [5] [6]
Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com [7]
[8] [9] [10]
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FROM: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
TO: af@afmug.com
SENT: Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:56:12 PM
SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
EPTP mode fills the latency fix.
My first attempt at AF5x and it won't even register. I'm trying to
replace Rockets that link up at -66. I'm told that there's a path
issue or bad radio.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 [11]
Direct: 937-552-2343 [12]
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 7:45 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Why exactly? Just asking. I'm wondering if we should be doing cheap
PTP with ePMP or AF5x. I have several Force110 links up (just SMs,
not PTP) operating all across the 5GHz bands. And one 10 mile link
with Laird 2' dishes using connectorized non-GPS radios. Other than
some oddities like intermittent increases in latency, they have all
been working very well. Most are still running 2.3.3 and I don't
want to touch them because they're working just fine. I'm leaning
towards the Force110 PTP radios and whatever antennas required for
new links since it fits with all the other Canopy and ePMP stuff
(power injection, etc). But the AFs sure are nice when you can do
FDD (except the 5X!) and get very low latency like licensed.
On 6/11/2015 6:32 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Honestly I think they're better than AF5x at this point.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 [11]
Direct: 937-552-2343 [12]
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 7:25 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
wrote:
I got 2 links ready to deploy just sitting the office waiting to go
up on the tower
On Jun 11, 2015 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Uhm...I guess? It hears noise better than Ubnt for sure.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 [11]
Direct: 937-552-2343 [12]
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 6:23 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com
wrote:
Does the force auto select a clean frequency?
On Jun 11, 2015 5:13 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:
containerized... that must be when you buy a cheap router from
walmart in put it on a tower in a rubbermaid container.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
You mean connectorized?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/11/2015 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
The containerized 5 GHz radios do the same throughput
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Re: [AFMUG] [Fiber] FS: Directional Drill Package - Ditch Witch JT820
This is literally one of DW's smallest machines. We have the slightly newer version, the 922. We will likely replace ours with a bigger machine as well in the next year or so. A good Mach1 1220/2020 would be a nice upgrade to get longer than 250-300' in drilling. Additionally, the bigger drills are self-loading on the rod, so it is significantly faster and cleaner to deal with. Regards, Chuck On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Paul Conlin pcon...@blazebroadband.com wrote: So what are you replacing this with, and why? Not questioning the condition of the machine for sale. Beyond the obvious that a bigger machine does bigger jobs, I am interested in what equipment works for what types of jobs, terrain, etc., etc. PC Blaze Broadband *From:* fiber-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:fiber-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Chris Fabien *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2015 7:32 AM *To:* WISPA Fiber Discussion; WISPA General List; af@afmug.com *Subject:* [Fiber] FS: Directional Drill Package - Ditch Witch JT820 We've decided to upgrade our drill so I'm offering this complete drill package for sale. This is everything you need to drive out to the job site and start drilling tomorrow. Ditch Witch JT820 Directional Drill Ditch Witch 14,500lb GVW trailer Ditch Witch PF22 300gal mud system Digitrak Mark III locator system with remote display and yellow sonde Full rack of drill pipe (30 sticks) Entire pallet of tooling, backreamers, and misc spare parts. Drill is in good working order. We've been using it almost every day this spring. Hours unknown. We've been able to drill about 250ft max in one bore and have pulled 700ft length of two 1.25 innerduct with this drill. It's really a nice little package and light enough to pull with a pickup. Recently has had over $3k in new parts this spring including new carriage slide and bearings, chain sprocket bearings, rear wrench collar and cylinder, rebuilt mud pump and new cooling fan on trailer, two new 70ft mud hoses, several other things I can't recall. Asking $19,000 obo for the package. May sell pieces individually. Willing to provide 1 day of training to buyer. Located in Michigan. I can take photos and video for seriously interested buyer. Also available: Second JT820 drill, running condition but not recently used much, was our backup drill. Extra Mark III locator. Additional drill pipe. Thanks, Chris Fabien LakeNet LLC ___ Fiber mailing list fi...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/fiber
[AFMUG] FS: Directional Drill Package - Ditch Witch JT820
We've decided to upgrade our drill so I'm offering this complete drill package for sale. This is everything you need to drive out to the job site and start drilling tomorrow. Ditch Witch JT820 Directional Drill Ditch Witch 14,500lb GVW trailer Ditch Witch PF22 300gal mud system Digitrak Mark III locator system with remote display and yellow sonde Full rack of drill pipe (30 sticks) Entire pallet of tooling, backreamers, and misc spare parts. Drill is in good working order. We've been using it almost every day this spring. Hours unknown. We've been able to drill about 250ft max in one bore and have pulled 700ft length of two 1.25 innerduct with this drill. It's really a nice little package and light enough to pull with a pickup. Recently has had over $3k in new parts this spring including new carriage slide and bearings, chain sprocket bearings, rear wrench collar and cylinder, rebuilt mud pump and new cooling fan on trailer, two new 70ft mud hoses, several other things I can't recall. Asking $19,000 obo for the package. May sell pieces individually. Willing to provide 1 day of training to buyer. Located in Michigan. I can take photos and video for seriously interested buyer. Also available: Second JT820 drill, running condition but not recently used much, was our backup drill. Extra Mark III locator. Additional drill pipe. Thanks, Chris Fabien LakeNet LLC
Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
I think they've always had multiple stages of builds with the inner circle
always getting more than public beta did.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:35:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
Which they don't feel confident releasing to anyone anymore...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:32 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
Dev build ;)
On 2015-06-11 10:38 pm, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
blockquote
blockquote
blockquote
blockquote
blockquote
now running at over 100MBps on a 10MHz channel... ???
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
Is that Air rate you are quoting ?
256QAM on a 10meg channel falls short of 100MBps ...
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
-
blockquote
FROM: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
TO: af@afmug.com
SENT: Thursday, June 11, 2015 8:42:24 PM
SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
Ours replaced RM5's that wouldn't even link... now running at over
100MBps on a 10MHz channel...
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com [1]
On 06/11/2015 04:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
No it's just the Af5x...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 7:57 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
You seem to have a lot of issues with radios that won't link up. ;-)
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com [2]
[3] [4] [5] [6]
Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com [7]
[8] [9] [10]
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FROM: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
TO: af@afmug.com
SENT: Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:56:12 PM
SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
EPTP mode fills the latency fix.
My first attempt at AF5x and it won't even register. I'm trying to
replace Rockets that link up at -66. I'm told that there's a path
issue or bad radio.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 [11]
Direct: 937-552-2343 [12]
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 7:45 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Why exactly? Just asking. I'm wondering if we should be doing cheap
PTP with ePMP or AF5x. I have several Force110 links up (just SMs,
not PTP) operating all across the 5GHz bands. And one 10 mile link
with Laird 2' dishes using connectorized non-GPS radios. Other than
some oddities like intermittent increases in latency, they have all
been working very well. Most are still running 2.3.3 and I don't
want to touch them because they're working just fine. I'm leaning
towards the Force110 PTP radios and whatever antennas required for
new links since it fits with all the other Canopy and ePMP stuff
(power injection, etc). But the AFs sure are nice when you can do
FDD (except the 5X!) and get very low latency like licensed.
On 6/11/2015 6:32 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Honestly I think they're better than AF5x at this point.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 [11]
Direct: 937-552-2343 [12]
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 7:25 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
wrote:
I got 2 links ready to deploy just sitting the office waiting to go
up on the tower
On Jun 11, 2015 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Uhm...I guess? It hears noise better than Ubnt for sure.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 [11]
Direct: 937-552-2343 [12]
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 6:23 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com
wrote:
Does the force auto select a clean frequency?
On Jun 11, 2015 5:13 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:
containerized... that must be when you buy a cheap router from
walmart in put it on a tower in a rubbermaid container.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
You mean connectorized?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/11/2015 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
The containerized 5 GHz radios do the same throughput
/blockquote
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[5] https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
[6] https://twitter.com/ICSIL
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[8] https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix
[9] https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
[10] https://twitter.com/mdwestix
[11] tel: 937-552-2340
[12] tel: 937-552-2343
/blockquote
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Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
Ya good point. The article is boasting distance. Not speed/distance. Why don't you guys simply ship some AF5x radios to the guys with the XR5 routerboards??? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Still didn't beat your own distance record. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 2:12:31 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? I remember that, but... 155Mbps vs 5Mbps? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: August 27, 2007 A new world record distance for a 5 GHz Wi-Fi link has been achieved by the Italian Center for Radio Activities (C.I.S.A.R), and Ubiquiti Networks, a leading innovator in outdoor wireless broadband solutions. The distance of 304km (188.89 miles) was established from Sardinia Island to Central Italy achieving data-rates of about 5Mbps, using Ubiquiti’s XtremeRange5 (XR5) High-Power Carrier Class mini-PCI radio module and 35dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish antennas. from: http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 10:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net af...@ics-il.net *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
Right but there's only one side of the link...so there's the distance issue. Also why would they need that many blocks? Isn't the moon's gravity 1/6? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com wrote: Eh? https://www.facebook.com/ubiquiti/photos/pb.140563119297621.-220752.1434137835./481983171822279 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: First unlicensed link in space??? First unlicensed link on the moon!!! Please Ubnt. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Hey put one on an air balloon like Alvarion did.or ISS Jaime Solorza On Jun 12, 2015 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ya good point. The article is boasting distance. Not speed/distance. Why don't you guys simply ship some AF5x radios to the guys with the XR5 routerboards??? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Still didn't beat your own distance record. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 2:12:31 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? I remember that, but... 155Mbps vs 5Mbps? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: August 27, 2007 A new world record distance for a 5 GHz Wi-Fi link has been achieved by the Italian Center for Radio Activities (C.I.S.A.R), and Ubiquiti Networks, a leading innovator in outdoor wireless broadband solutions. The distance of 304km (188.89 miles) was established from Sardinia Island to Central Italy achieving data-rates of about 5Mbps, using Ubiquiti’s XtremeRange5 (XR5) High-Power Carrier Class mini-PCI radio module and 35dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish antennas. from: http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 10:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net af...@ics-il.net *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%E2%80%93Moon%E2%80%93Earth_communication - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 3:22:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? They do that with lasers off the mirrors up there, but I've never heard of the Ham stuff...is that true? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Bounce it off the moon and back like the Ham radio guys do From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 3:52 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Yeah, I was thinking the same thing! Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 11:12 AM, Matt Hardy wrote: blockquote I remember that, but... 155Mbps vs 5Mbps? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: August 27, 2007 A new world record distance for a 5 GHz Wi-Fi link has been achieved by the Italian Center for Radio Activities (C.I.S.A.R), and Ubiquiti Networks, a leading innovator in outdoor wireless broadband solutions. The distance of 304km (188.89 miles) was established from Sardinia Island to Central Italy achieving data-rates of about 5Mbps, using Ubiquiti’s XtremeRange5 (XR5) High-Power Carrier Class mini-PCI radio module and 35dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish antennas. from: http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 10:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: blockquote So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM Subject: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
Look up OTH microwave and Troposcatter to get basics ..there will be a test
Jaime Solorza
On Jun 12, 2015 2:46 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
It's not rare at all and done on several bands.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
*From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 3:45:06 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
How is that possible?! What wavelength is it? What use does it get?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes. A guy I used to work for takes his vacations with a small group.
They rent a sail boat and set up on a remote island somewhere with solar
panels and HAM equipment to do moon bounces. They get extra points because
they're solar powered (and presumably also because they're bouncing off the
moon). Simplex transmission distance is ~~ 500,000 miles.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/12/2015 1:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
They do that with lasers off the mirrors up there, but I've never heard
of the Ham stuff...is that true?
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
Still didn't beat your own distance record. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:12:31 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? I remember that, but... 155Mbps vs 5Mbps? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: August 27, 2007 A new world record distance for a 5 GHz Wi-Fi link has been achieved by the Italian Center for Radio Activities (C.I.S.A.R), and Ubiquiti Networks, a leading innovator in outdoor wireless broadband solutions. The distance of 304km (188.89 miles) was established from Sardinia Island to Central Italy achieving data-rates of about 5Mbps, using Ubiquiti’s XtremeRange5 (XR5) High-Power Carrier Class mini-PCI radio module and 35dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish antennas. from: http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 10:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: blockquote So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM Subject: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com /blockquote
[AFMUG] Packetflux PDU, backwards ports
So I just set up two PDU's where the outputs on the label are in the exact opposite order compared to the labels displayed in the web page. In other words, where the stcker says out1 the web page says Output 5. It caused some confusion...and it's a good thing the circuit breakers work :) If this is the way they're all going to be, I can just relabel them in the web page and move on. If it's an error in assembly I'm worried that any SNMP probes I'm making to track tripped ports are going to be opposite on future units. Anybody know?
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
Yes. A guy I used to work for takes his vacations with a small group.
They rent a sail boat and set up on a remote island somewhere with solar
panels and HAM equipment to do moon bounces. They get extra points
because they're solar powered (and presumably also because they're
bouncing off the moon). Simplex transmission distance is ~~ 500,000 miles.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/12/2015 1:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
They do that with lasers off the mirrors up there, but I've never
heard of the Ham stuff...is that true?
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
I think a ham could legally do moon bounce with this stuff. That would set some records. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 1:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Right but there's only one side of the link...so there's the distance issue. Also why would they need that many blocks? Isn't the moon's gravity 1/6? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com wrote: Eh? https://www.facebook.com/ubiquiti/photos/pb.140563119297621.-220752.1434137835./481983171822279 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: First unlicensed link in space??? First unlicensed link on the moon!!! Please Ubnt. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Hey put one on an air balloon like Alvarion did.or ISS Jaime Solorza On Jun 12, 2015 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ya good point. The article is boasting distance. Not speed/distance. Why don't you guys simply ship some AF5x radios to the guys with the XR5 routerboards??? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Still didn't beat your own distance record. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:12:31 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? I remember that, but... 155Mbps vs 5Mbps? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: August 27, 2007 A new world record distance for a 5 GHz Wi-Fi link has been achieved by the Italian Center for Radio Activities (C.I.S.A.R), and Ubiquiti Networks, a leading innovator in outdoor wireless broadband solutions. The distance of 304km (188.89 miles) was established from Sardinia Island to Central Italy achieving data-rates of about 5Mbps, using Ubiquiti’s XtremeRange5 (XR5) High-Power Carrier Class mini-PCI radio module and 35dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish antennas. from: http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comOn 06/12/2015 10:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM Subject: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
Hey put one on an air balloon like Alvarion did.or ISS Jaime Solorza On Jun 12, 2015 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ya good point. The article is boasting distance. Not speed/distance. Why don't you guys simply ship some AF5x radios to the guys with the XR5 routerboards??? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Still didn't beat your own distance record. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 2:12:31 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? I remember that, but... 155Mbps vs 5Mbps? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: August 27, 2007 A new world record distance for a 5 GHz Wi-Fi link has been achieved by the Italian Center for Radio Activities (C.I.S.A.R), and Ubiquiti Networks, a leading innovator in outdoor wireless broadband solutions. The distance of 304km (188.89 miles) was established from Sardinia Island to Central Italy achieving data-rates of about 5Mbps, using Ubiquiti’s XtremeRange5 (XR5) High-Power Carrier Class mini-PCI radio module and 35dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish antennas. from: http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 10:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net af...@ics-il.net *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing! Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 11:12 AM, Matt Hardy wrote: I remember that, but... 155Mbps vs 5Mbps? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: August 27, 2007 A new world record distance for a 5 GHz Wi-Fi link has been achieved by the Italian Center for Radio Activities (C.I.S.A.R), and Ubiquiti Networks, a leading innovator in outdoor wireless broadband solutions. The distance of 304km (188.89 miles) was established from Sardinia Island to Central Italy achieving data-rates of about 5Mbps, using Ubiquiti’s XtremeRange5 (XR5) High-Power Carrier Class mini-PCI radio module and 35dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish antennas. from: http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 10:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
Hum. Girth is what they prefer but we digress ...some of you know Jim Hong..when he was with Wmux he showed me a picture of 200 miles link with 8 footers mtn to mtn using their radios...10mbps ota over 9 mbps on ports. Before his Orthogan days. Argentina has long links with amps at 2.4 Jaime Solorza On Jun 12, 2015 1:54 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: If you're gonna have a length record, girth is irrelevant. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 2:52:10 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Yeah, I was thinking the same thing! Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 11:12 AM, Matt Hardy wrote: I remember that, but... 155Mbps vs 5Mbps? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: August 27, 2007 A new world record distance for a 5 GHz Wi-Fi link has been achieved by the Italian Center for Radio Activities (C.I.S.A.R), and Ubiquiti Networks, a leading innovator in outdoor wireless broadband solutions. The distance of 304km (188.89 miles) was established from Sardinia Island to Central Italy achieving data-rates of about 5Mbps, using Ubiquiti’s XtremeRange5 (XR5) High-Power Carrier Class mini-PCI radio module and 35dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish antennas. from: http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 10:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net af...@ics-il.net *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
Eh? https://www.facebook.com/ubiquiti/photos/pb.140563119297621.-220752.1434137835./481983171822279 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: First unlicensed link in space??? First unlicensed link on the moon!!! Please Ubnt. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Hey put one on an air balloon like Alvarion did.or ISS Jaime Solorza On Jun 12, 2015 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ya good point. The article is boasting distance. Not speed/distance. Why don't you guys simply ship some AF5x radios to the guys with the XR5 routerboards??? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Still didn't beat your own distance record. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 2:12:31 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? I remember that, but... 155Mbps vs 5Mbps? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: August 27, 2007 A new world record distance for a 5 GHz Wi-Fi link has been achieved by the Italian Center for Radio Activities (C.I.S.A.R), and Ubiquiti Networks, a leading innovator in outdoor wireless broadband solutions. The distance of 304km (188.89 miles) was established from Sardinia Island to Central Italy achieving data-rates of about 5Mbps, using Ubiquiti’s XtremeRange5 (XR5) High-Power Carrier Class mini-PCI radio module and 35dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish antennas. from: http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 10:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net af...@ics-il.net *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
I remember that, but... 155Mbps vs 5Mbps? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: August 27, 2007 A new world record distance for a 5 GHz Wi-Fi link has been achieved by the Italian Center for Radio Activities (C.I.S.A.R), and Ubiquiti Networks, a leading innovator in outdoor wireless broadband solutions. The distance of 304km (188.89 miles) was established from Sardinia Island to Central Italy achieving data-rates of about 5Mbps, using Ubiquiti’s XtremeRange5 (XR5) High-Power Carrier Class mini-PCI radio module and 35dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish antennas. from: http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 10:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net af...@ics-il.net *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
They were using Ubiquiti radios for Google Loon project, does that count ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: *nods* I remember the Alvarion one, but that's cheating. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 2:33:58 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Hey put one on an air balloon like Alvarion did.or ISS Jaime Solorza On Jun 12, 2015 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ya good point. The article is boasting distance. Not speed/distance. Why don't you guys simply ship some AF5x radios to the guys with the XR5 routerboards??? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Still didn't beat your own distance record. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 2:12:31 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? I remember that, but... 155Mbps vs 5Mbps? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: August 27, 2007 A new world record distance for a 5 GHz Wi-Fi link has been achieved by the Italian Center for Radio Activities (C.I.S.A.R), and Ubiquiti Networks, a leading innovator in outdoor wireless broadband solutions. The distance of 304km (188.89 miles) was established from Sardinia Island to Central Italy achieving data-rates of about 5Mbps, using Ubiquiti’s XtremeRange5 (XR5) High-Power Carrier Class mini-PCI radio module and 35dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish antennas. from: http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 10:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net af...@ics-il.net *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
If you can do that with an AF5x, I'll be impressed! :P On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Bounce it off the moon and back like the Ham radio guys do *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2015 3:52 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Yeah, I was thinking the same thing! Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 11:12 AM, Matt Hardy wrote: I remember that, but... 155Mbps vs 5Mbps? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: August 27, 2007 A new world record distance for a 5 GHz Wi-Fi link has been achieved by the Italian Center for Radio Activities (C.I.S.A.R), and Ubiquiti Networks, a leading innovator in outdoor wireless broadband solutions. The distance of 304km (188.89 miles) was established from Sardinia Island to Central Italy achieving data-rates of about 5Mbps, using Ubiquiti’s XtremeRange5 (XR5) High-Power Carrier Class mini-PCI radio module and 35dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish antennas. from: http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 10:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net af...@ics-il.net *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux PDU, backwards ports
Yep. We screwed up the software labeling somehow so it doesn't match the label. I've got patched software that I just need to verify matches the label and that all of the overcurrent stuff still works after the fix. I honestly had thought that this had been completed and that we were already shipping revised code until someone asked about it a week ago. A look in the code confirms a fix was applied but I can't confirm it was tested so that's where we stand. Unfortunately, the workbench with all the relevant tools on it has been tied up this week with a project which was in the a lot of pieces which are all wired together and impossible to move without wrecking everything stage so I haven't been able to verify the fix. That project is finally in a more moveable format and I should be able to compete this testing this weekend. Unless something unexpected happens, look for a firmware release most likely late Sunday, with an email to everyone who purchased one shortly thereafter. On Jun 12, 2015 1:45 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: So I just set up two PDU's where the outputs on the label are in the exact opposite order compared to the labels displayed in the web page. In other words, where the stcker says out1 the web page says Output 5. It caused some confusion...and it's a good thing the circuit breakers work :) If this is the way they're all going to be, I can just relabel them in the web page and move on. If it's an error in assembly I'm worried that any SNMP probes I'm making to track tripped ports are going to be opposite on future units. Anybody know?
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
If you're gonna have a length record, girth is irrelevant. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:52:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Yeah, I was thinking the same thing! Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 11:12 AM, Matt Hardy wrote: I remember that, but... 155Mbps vs 5Mbps? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: blockquote August 27, 2007 A new world record distance for a 5 GHz Wi-Fi link has been achieved by the Italian Center for Radio Activities (C.I.S.A.R), and Ubiquiti Networks, a leading innovator in outdoor wireless broadband solutions. The distance of 304km (188.89 miles) was established from Sardinia Island to Central Italy achieving data-rates of about 5Mbps, using Ubiquiti’s XtremeRange5 (XR5) High-Power Carrier Class mini-PCI radio module and 35dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish antennas. from: http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 10:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: blockquote So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM Subject: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
They do that with lasers off the mirrors up there, but I've never heard of the Ham stuff...is that true? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Bounce it off the moon and back like the Ham radio guys do *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2015 3:52 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Yeah, I was thinking the same thing! Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 11:12 AM, Matt Hardy wrote: I remember that, but... 155Mbps vs 5Mbps? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: August 27, 2007 A new world record distance for a 5 GHz Wi-Fi link has been achieved by the Italian Center for Radio Activities (C.I.S.A.R), and Ubiquiti Networks, a leading innovator in outdoor wireless broadband solutions. The distance of 304km (188.89 miles) was established from Sardinia Island to Central Italy achieving data-rates of about 5Mbps, using Ubiquiti’s XtremeRange5 (XR5) High-Power Carrier Class mini-PCI radio module and 35dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish antennas. from: http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 10:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net af...@ics-il.net *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
On Jun 12, 2015, at 3:07 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote: So much for airMax? And there's no windload, so why would it need bricks at all? On 6/12/2015 2:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Right but there's only one side of the link...so there's the distance issue. Also why would they need that many blocks? Isn't the moon's gravity 1/6? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com wrote: Eh? https://www.facebook.com/ubiquiti/photos/pb.140563119297621.-220752.1434137835./481983171822279 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: First unlicensed link in space??? First unlicensed link on the moon!!! Please Ubnt. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Hey put one on an air balloon like Alvarion did.or ISS Jaime Solorza On Jun 12, 2015 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ya good point. The article is boasting distance. Not speed/distance. Why don't you guys simply ship some AF5x radios to the guys with the XR5 routerboards??? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Still didn't beat your own distance record. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:12:31 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? I remember that, but... 155Mbps vs 5Mbps? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: August 27, 2007 A new world record distance for a 5 GHz Wi-Fi link has been achieved by the Italian Center for Radio Activities (C.I.S.A.R), and Ubiquiti Networks, a leading innovator in outdoor wireless broadband solutions. The distance of 304km (188.89 miles) was established from Sardinia Island to Central Italy achieving data-rates of about 5Mbps, using Ubiquiti’s XtremeRange5 (XR5) High-Power Carrier Class mini-PCI radio module and 35dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish antennas. from: http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 10:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM Subject: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
Legal limits also apply here...where other were using high powered amps... On Jun 12, 2015, at 1:12 PM, Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com wrote: I remember that, but... 155Mbps vs 5Mbps? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: August 27, 2007 A new world record distance for a 5 GHz Wi-Fi link has been achieved by the Italian Center for Radio Activities (C.I.S.A.R), and Ubiquiti Networks, a leading innovator in outdoor wireless broadband solutions. The distance of 304km (188.89 miles) was established from Sardinia Island to Central Italy achieving data-rates of about 5Mbps, using Ubiquiti’s XtremeRange5 (XR5) High-Power Carrier Class mini-PCI radio module and 35dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish antennas. from: http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 10:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM Subject: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
Bounce it off the moon and back like the Ham radio guys do From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 3:52 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Yeah, I was thinking the same thing! Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 11:12 AM, Matt Hardy wrote: I remember that, but... 155Mbps vs 5Mbps? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: August 27, 2007 A new world record distance for a 5 GHz Wi-Fi link has been achieved by the Italian Center for Radio Activities (C.I.S.A.R), and Ubiquiti Networks, a leading innovator in outdoor wireless broadband solutions. The distance of 304km (188.89 miles) was established from Sardinia Island to Central Italy achieving data-rates of about 5Mbps, using Ubiquiti’s XtremeRange5 (XR5) High-Power Carrier Class mini-PCI radio module and 35dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish antennas. from: http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 10:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM Subject: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
Yes off moon. Off moving planes..don't the Voyagers use 8GHz ? Jaime Solorza On Jun 12, 2015 2:23 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: They do that with lasers off the mirrors up there, but I've never heard of the Ham stuff...is that true? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Bounce it off the moon and back like the Ham radio guys do *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2015 3:52 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Yeah, I was thinking the same thing! Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 11:12 AM, Matt Hardy wrote: I remember that, but... 155Mbps vs 5Mbps? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: August 27, 2007 A new world record distance for a 5 GHz Wi-Fi link has been achieved by the Italian Center for Radio Activities (C.I.S.A.R), and Ubiquiti Networks, a leading innovator in outdoor wireless broadband solutions. The distance of 304km (188.89 miles) was established from Sardinia Island to Central Italy achieving data-rates of about 5Mbps, using Ubiquiti’s XtremeRange5 (XR5) High-Power Carrier Class mini-PCI radio module and 35dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish antennas. from: http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 10:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net af...@ics-il.net *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
So much for airMax? And there's no windload, so why would it need bricks at all? On 6/12/2015 2:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Right but there's only one side of the link...so there's the distance issue. Also why would they need that many blocks? Isn't the moon's gravity 1/6? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com mailto:m...@ubnt.com wrote: Eh? https://www.facebook.com/ubiquiti/photos/pb.140563119297621.-220752.1434137835./481983171822279 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: First unlicensed link in space??? First unlicensed link on the moon!!! Please Ubnt. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Hey put one on an air balloon like Alvarion did.or ISS Jaime Solorza On Jun 12, 2015 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ya good point. The article is boasting distance. Not speed/distance. Why don't you guys simply ship some AF5x radios to the guys with the XR5 routerboards??? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Still didn't beat your own distance record. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com mailto:m...@ubnt.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 2:12:31 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? I remember that, but... 155Mbps vs 5Mbps? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: August 27, 2007 A new world record distance for a 5 GHz Wi-Fi link has been achieved by the Italian Center for Radio Activities (C.I.S.A.R), and Ubiquiti Networks, a leading innovator in outdoor wireless broadband solutions. The distance of 304km (188.89 miles) was established from Sardinia Island to Central Italy achieving data-rates of about 5Mbps, using Ubiquiti’s XtremeRange5 (XR5) High-Power Carrier Class mini-PCI radio module and 35dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish antennas. from: http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 10:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
First unlicensed link in space??? First unlicensed link on the moon!!! Please Ubnt. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Hey put one on an air balloon like Alvarion did.or ISS Jaime Solorza On Jun 12, 2015 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ya good point. The article is boasting distance. Not speed/distance. Why don't you guys simply ship some AF5x radios to the guys with the XR5 routerboards??? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Still didn't beat your own distance record. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 2:12:31 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? I remember that, but... 155Mbps vs 5Mbps? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: August 27, 2007 A new world record distance for a 5 GHz Wi-Fi link has been achieved by the Italian Center for Radio Activities (C.I.S.A.R), and Ubiquiti Networks, a leading innovator in outdoor wireless broadband solutions. The distance of 304km (188.89 miles) was established from Sardinia Island to Central Italy achieving data-rates of about 5Mbps, using Ubiquiti’s XtremeRange5 (XR5) High-Power Carrier Class mini-PCI radio module and 35dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish antennas. from: http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 10:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net af...@ics-il.net *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
How is that possible?! What wavelength is it? What use does it get?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes. A guy I used to work for takes his vacations with a small group. They
rent a sail boat and set up on a remote island somewhere with solar panels
and HAM equipment to do moon bounces. They get extra points because they're
solar powered (and presumably also because they're bouncing off the moon).
Simplex transmission distance is ~~ 500,000 miles.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/12/2015 1:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
They do that with lasers off the mirrors up there, but I've never heard
of the Ham stuff...is that true?
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
It's not rare at all and done on several bands.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 3:45:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
How is that possible?! What wavelength is it? What use does it get?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes. A guy I used to work for takes his vacations with a small group. They rent
a sail boat and set up on a remote island somewhere with solar panels and HAM
equipment to do moon bounces. They get extra points because they're solar
powered (and presumably also because they're bouncing off the moon). Simplex
transmission distance is ~~ 500,000 miles.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/12/2015 1:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
blockquote
They do that with lasers off the mirrors up there, but I've never heard of the
Ham stuff...is that true?
/blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
Mostly 6M and 2M.
Google is your friend.
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/03/business/the-executive-life-bouncing-off-the-moon-with-tandem-s-jimmy-t.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%E2%80%93Moon%E2%80%93Earth_communication
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZowHqyj6DQ
lhttp://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/03/business/the-executive-life-bouncing-off-the-moon-with-tandem-s-jimmy-t.html,,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%E2%80%93Moon%E2%80%93Earth_communication,,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZowHqyj6DQ
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/12/2015 1:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
How is that possible?! What wavelength is it? What use does it get?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes. A guy I used to work for takes his vacations with a small
group. They rent a sail boat and set up on a remote island
somewhere with solar panels and HAM equipment to do moon bounces.
They get extra points because they're solar powered (and
presumably also because they're bouncing off the moon). Simplex
transmission distance is ~~ 500,000 miles.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/12/2015 1:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
They do that with lasers off the mirrors up there, but I've
never heard of the Ham stuff...is that true?
Re: [AFMUG] DirecTV wireless
As Mike says, no way to exert control over it, like manually setting the channel. Either they are relying on auto channel selection, or more likely they are assuming the customer’s router will change to another channel. I am a lighthouse, you are a ship, so you have to change course to avoid me. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DirecTV wireless Yeah, everything Ive seen at customers is wifi, not ac even. They loves to push issues to the network then say call your ISP even though its internal problems. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: It is 5 GHz WiFi, but I don't know of any way to exert any control over it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com -- From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 7:25:43 PM Subject: [AFMUG] DirecTV wireless Have install next week for customer just moving in, says DirecTV is installing Saturday and it's all going to be wireless. What does this mean in terms of interference? I assume this is different than what we typically see with coax to the receivers and WiFi or MOCA only to connect to their Internet. Will DirectTV install their own AP? Is this going to be 5 GHz WiFi? Any way to keep it from stepping on our tower-CPE frequency? What about the WiFi router, if we install a 2.4 GHz only router will they leave each other alone? I have a choice of a 5.4 GHz 430 AP or a 5.7 GHz 450 AP to connect them to. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Dumb Rocket dish compatibility question
Im afraid it's just a dish we have in storage. Will probably be buying
new ones.
Mathew Howard wrote:
It definitely will work fine to just change the feedhorn - I have done
it in the past. The rest of the dish is exactly the same (the
subreflector is attached to the feedhorn).
I doubt anywhere sells the feedhorn on it's own, but even if you have
to buy a whole new dish, it's usually easier to swap the feedhorn than
to drag a whole new dish up a tower.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
The dish is the same, but it's a different feed horn. I don't
think you can order just the feedhorn.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/11/2015 9:51 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
We have an extra dish that was originally paired with a 3.65
Rocket but now we need to install a 5.7 link for a new
location. Are the dishes sold for the 3.65 Rockets compatible
with a 5.7 Rocket?
Re: [AFMUG] DirecTV wireless
from what i read (on the faqs posted last night and googling) it's all an internal private wireless. i guess the genie has its own system. ssid is hidden and each genie generates its own encryption (so say lightning gets one unit and you get a replacement ; they all have to be resynced on the wireless) - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DirecTV wireless Wonder how they rogue access point suppression? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DirecTV wireless As Mike says, no way to exert control over it, like manually setting the channel. Either they are relying on auto channel selection, or more likely they are assuming the customer’s router will change to another channel. I am a lighthouse, you are a ship, so you have to change course to avoid me. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DirecTV wireless Yeah, everything Ive seen at customers is wifi, not ac even. They loves to push issues to the network then say call your ISP even though its internal problems. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: It is 5 GHz WiFi, but I don't know of any way to exert any control over it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 7:25:43 PM Subject: [AFMUG] DirecTV wireless Have install next week for customer just moving in, says DirecTV is installing Saturday and it's all going to be wireless. What does this mean in terms of interference? I assume this is different than what we typically see with coax to the receivers and WiFi or MOCA only to connect to their Internet. Will DirectTV install their own AP? Is this going to be 5 GHz WiFi? Any way to keep it from stepping on our tower-CPE frequency? What about the WiFi router, if we install a 2.4 GHz only router will they leave each other alone? I have a choice of a 5.4 GHz 430 AP or a 5.7 GHz 450 AP to connect them to. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Saf lumina xpic
Yes. Cuts into beer drinking time. Tonight I am drinking Carta Blanca and watching Hangar 1. Jaime Solorza On Jun 12, 2015 8:47 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Shouldn't ask questions like this late in the day on a Friday... I've made no change Fridays virtually mandatory around here. On Jun 12, 2015 6:27 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: No one has xpic luminas they can login to? On Jun 12, 2015 6:58 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: No idea. Email and they'll answer I'm sure. Phone call can't hurt if you're eager. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 12, 2015 9:38 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: They available ? On Jun 12, 2015 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Call SAF support? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 12, 2015 9:36 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Could anyone post a screen shot of a successful xpic configuration setting? We just added the omt coupler and second polarity and when inputting the aggrigation settings we loose connectivity to both radios!
Re: [AFMUG] Saf lumina xpic
No one has xpic luminas they can login to? On Jun 12, 2015 6:58 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: No idea. Email and they'll answer I'm sure. Phone call can't hurt if you're eager. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 12, 2015 9:38 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: They available ? On Jun 12, 2015 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Call SAF support? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 12, 2015 9:36 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Could anyone post a screen shot of a successful xpic configuration setting? We just added the omt coupler and second polarity and when inputting the aggrigation settings we loose connectivity to both radios!
Re: [AFMUG] Saf lumina xpic
We ended up just making a LAG on the switches on either side. The formula the SAFs used for splitting traffic loads didnt work well when you have a single routed VLAN as the MACs on both sides always stay the same. One cable on each for its MGMT, and the other cable for the LAG port. -c On Jun 12, 2015, at 7:35 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Could anyone post a screen shot of a successful xpic configuration setting? We just added the omt coupler and second polarity and when inputting the aggrigation settings we loose connectivity to both radios!
Re: [AFMUG] Saf lumina xpic
Call SAF support? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 12, 2015 9:36 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Could anyone post a screen shot of a successful xpic configuration setting? We just added the omt coupler and second polarity and when inputting the aggrigation settings we loose connectivity to both radios!
Re: [AFMUG] Saf lumina xpic
They available ? On Jun 12, 2015 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Call SAF support? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 12, 2015 9:36 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Could anyone post a screen shot of a successful xpic configuration setting? We just added the omt coupler and second polarity and when inputting the aggrigation settings we loose connectivity to both radios!
Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
Josh, I am coming into the conversation a little late here but I have been running a non GPS ePTP mode link for well over a month with no lock ups. It’s the only link I have in the air everything else Epmp is AP and SM. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net http://www.gogebicrange.net/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links I know my non GPS ePTP mode radios are locking up. You can access either device locally but the wireless is busted. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 11, 2015 7:34 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: So what's the scoop here? What products are or aren't locking up? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I installed mine last Friday. I've had it lock up 8 or 9 times as of today. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 11, 2015 5:47 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, it's been running for about 2 months now and I haven't seen any problems with it. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: My ePTP link is non-GPS. Are you saying your ePTP is GPS and doesn't have the problem? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: That particular link is actually running in ePTP mode, and I haven't seen any issues with it hanging... I wonder if that bug doesn't affect the GPS radios? I don't think I have any of our other links in ePTP mode. We've done several links using a PTP at one end and a normal connectorized radio at the other end. I haven't ever seen an ePMP link do enough over 100 meg for me to care about having a gigabit port. You can run the PTP radios off passive power too, they're probably the least picky about power of any radios I've used - you can even run them directly off a UBNT power supply. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Glad to hear it! I'm not sure there's any benefit to the PTP radios either. The containerized 5 GHz radios do the same throughput and work with passive power. I prefer the ePTP mode instead of sync, the low latency is so sexy, but there's a killer bug that's causing the link to hang =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I Like 'em. I'm not convinced there's a lot of benefit to the PTP unless you're using sync, but sync is really nice... We have one link up with PTP's at both ends, one end is on a 2' RocketDish and the other is a Force110 dish, if I remember right, the link is right around 10 miles and I can get just over 100 meg through it testing between the Mikrotiks at both ends. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Has anyone deployed some of these? Just looking for general opinions on them. Any bigger dishes used (say 2' or 3' for long distance shots)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Saf lumina xpic
I hope someone with one checks the list before bed for you :) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 12, 2015 10:27 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: No one has xpic luminas they can login to? On Jun 12, 2015 6:58 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: No idea. Email and they'll answer I'm sure. Phone call can't hurt if you're eager. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 12, 2015 9:38 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: They available ? On Jun 12, 2015 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Call SAF support? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 12, 2015 9:36 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Could anyone post a screen shot of a successful xpic configuration setting? We just added the omt coupler and second polarity and when inputting the aggrigation settings we loose connectivity to both radios!
[AFMUG] PMP320 Sync Help
I have a PMP320 AP losing sync, if I reboot the AP it will show Sync for a few minutes, then show Sync 1PPS Lost, sometimes it will appear to switch back and forth. Also seen No Sync. When showing no sync, the stations seem to be continually re-registering. This is using a sync pipe with timing cable. Of course I'm out of town for the weekend with no spare APs or sync pipes on hand to have a climber try swapping. Any thoughts as to what piece might be the problem or a way to get it back online? Never seen one do this before, we only have a few of these APs on the network. Chris Fabien LakeNet LLC
Re: [AFMUG] PMP320 Sync Help
switch it to free run for now On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote: I have a PMP320 AP losing sync, if I reboot the AP it will show Sync for a few minutes, then show Sync 1PPS Lost, sometimes it will appear to switch back and forth. Also seen No Sync. When showing no sync, the stations seem to be continually re-registering. This is using a sync pipe with timing cable. Of course I'm out of town for the weekend with no spare APs or sync pipes on hand to have a climber try swapping. Any thoughts as to what piece might be the problem or a way to get it back online? Never seen one do this before, we only have a few of these APs on the network. Chris Fabien LakeNet LLC -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux PDU, backwards ports
Awesome, thanks. On 6/12/2015 4:41 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: Yep. We screwed up the software labeling somehow so it doesn't match the label. I've got patched software that I just need to verify matches the label and that all of the overcurrent stuff still works after the fix. I honestly had thought that this had been completed and that we were already shipping revised code until someone asked about it a week ago. A look in the code confirms a fix was applied but I can't confirm it was tested so that's where we stand. Unfortunately, the workbench with all the relevant tools on it has been tied up this week with a project which was in the a lot of pieces which are all wired together and impossible to move without wrecking everything stage so I haven't been able to verify the fix. That project is finally in a more moveable format and I should be able to compete this testing this weekend. Unless something unexpected happens, look for a firmware release most likely late Sunday, with an email to everyone who purchased one shortly thereafter. On Jun 12, 2015 1:45 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: So I just set up two PDU's where the outputs on the label are in the exact opposite order compared to the labels displayed in the web page. In other words, where the stcker says out1 the web page says Output 5. It caused some confusion...and it's a good thing the circuit breakers work :) If this is the way they're all going to be, I can just relabel them in the web page and move on. If it's an error in assembly I'm worried that any SNMP probes I'm making to track tripped ports are going to be opposite on future units. Anybody know?
Re: [AFMUG] Saf lumina xpic
Shouldn't ask questions like this late in the day on a Friday... I've made "no change Fridays" virtually mandatory around here. On Jun 12, 2015 6:27 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:No one has xpic luminas they can login to? On Jun 12, 2015 6:58 PM, Josh Luthman josh@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:No idea. Email and theyll answer Im sure. Phone call cant hurt if youre eager. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 12, 2015 9:38 PM, TJ Trout tj@voltbb.com wrote:They available ? On Jun 12, 2015 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman josh@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:Call SAF support? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 12, 2015 9:36 PM, TJ Trout tj@voltbb.com wrote:Could anyone post a screen shot of a successful xpic configuration setting? We just added the omt coupler and second polarity and when inputting the aggrigation settings we loose connectivity to both radios!
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
24GHz has been done but not exactly off the shelf parts.
http://www.ve1alq.com/24ghz_eme_r3.pdf
On Friday, June 12, 2015, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
It's not rare at all and done on several bands.
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Mike Hammett
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How is that possible?! What wavelength is it? What use does it get?
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On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
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Yes. A guy I used to work for takes his vacations with a small group.
They rent a sail boat and set up on a remote island somewhere with solar
panels and HAM equipment to do moon bounces. They get extra points because
they're solar powered (and presumably also because they're bouncing off the
moon). Simplex transmission distance is ~~ 500,000 miles.
bp
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On 6/12/2015 1:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
They do that with lasers off the mirrors up there, but I've never heard
of the Ham stuff...is that true?
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[AFMUG] Saf lumina xpic
Could anyone post a screen shot of a successful xpic configuration setting? We just added the omt coupler and second polarity and when inputting the aggrigation settings we loose connectivity to both radios!
Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux PDU, backwards ports
Just ordered another one today. I can let you know if it's backwards or not. Sounds like it will be? On 6/12/2015 8:19 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: Awesome, thanks. On 6/12/2015 4:41 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: Yep. We screwed up the software labeling somehow so it doesn't match the label. I've got patched software that I just need to verify matches the label and that all of the overcurrent stuff still works after the fix. I honestly had thought that this had been completed and that we were already shipping revised code until someone asked about it a week ago. A look in the code confirms a fix was applied but I can't confirm it was tested so that's where we stand. Unfortunately, the workbench with all the relevant tools on it has been tied up this week with a project which was in the a lot of pieces which are all wired together and impossible to move without wrecking everything stage so I haven't been able to verify the fix. That project is finally in a more moveable format and I should be able to compete this testing this weekend. Unless something unexpected happens, look for a firmware release most likely late Sunday, with an email to everyone who purchased one shortly thereafter. On Jun 12, 2015 1:45 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: So I just set up two PDU's where the outputs on the label are in the exact opposite order compared to the labels displayed in the web page. In other words, where the stcker says out1 the web page says Output 5. It caused some confusion...and it's a good thing the circuit breakers work :) If this is the way they're all going to be, I can just relabel them in the web page and move on. If it's an error in assembly I'm worried that any SNMP probes I'm making to track tripped ports are going to be opposite on future units. Anybody know?
Re: [AFMUG] Saf lumina xpic
No idea. Email and they'll answer I'm sure. Phone call can't hurt if you're eager. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 12, 2015 9:38 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: They available ? On Jun 12, 2015 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Call SAF support? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 12, 2015 9:36 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Could anyone post a screen shot of a successful xpic configuration setting? We just added the omt coupler and second polarity and when inputting the aggrigation settings we loose connectivity to both radios!
Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
Can you tell me what versions? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 12, 2015 10:16 PM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: Josh, I am coming into the conversation a little late here but I have been running a non GPS ePTP mode link for well over a month with no lock ups. It’s the only link I have in the air everything else Epmp is AP and SM. Best regards, Brandon Yuchasz GogebicRange.net www.gogebicrange.net *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:37 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links I know my non GPS ePTP mode radios are locking up. You can access either device locally but the wireless is busted. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 11, 2015 7:34 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: So what's the scoop here? What products are or aren't locking up? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I installed mine last Friday. I've had it lock up 8 or 9 times as of today. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 11, 2015 5:47 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, it's been running for about 2 months now and I haven't seen any problems with it. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: My ePTP link is non-GPS. Are you saying your ePTP is GPS and doesn't have the problem? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: That particular link is actually running in ePTP mode, and I haven't seen any issues with it hanging... I wonder if that bug doesn't affect the GPS radios? I don't think I have any of our other links in ePTP mode. We've done several links using a PTP at one end and a normal connectorized radio at the other end. I haven't ever seen an ePMP link do enough over 100 meg for me to care about having a gigabit port. You can run the PTP radios off passive power too, they're probably the least picky about power of any radios I've used - you can even run them directly off a UBNT power supply. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Glad to hear it! I'm not sure there's any benefit to the PTP radios either. The containerized 5 GHz radios do the same throughput and work with passive power. I prefer the ePTP mode instead of sync, the low latency is so sexy, but there's a killer bug that's causing the link to hang =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I Like 'em. I'm not convinced there's a lot of benefit to the PTP unless you're using sync, but sync is really nice... We have one link up with PTP's at both ends, one end is on a 2' RocketDish and the other is a Force110 dish, if I remember right, the link is right around 10 miles and I can get just over 100 meg through it testing between the Mikrotiks at both ends. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Has anyone deployed some of these? Just looking for general opinions on them. Any bigger dishes used (say 2' or 3' for long distance shots)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
[AFMUG] AF5x Record?
I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] [Fiber] FS: Directional Drill Package - Ditch Witch JT820
I figured as much, we're in the same boat. Regards, Chuck On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote: We are replacing it with a JT2020 Mach1. We have ended up doing a lot more drilling than we expected, so there are some productivity gains with newer/bigger machines. We can usually do 500-800ft a day with the JT820, which is really not bad but when you have a mile of duct to run, it starts to mean a couple extra days work. We also decided to deploy fiber in a town area with 330ft blocks so being able to drill 350-400ft in one bore will be helpful. When we bought the JT820 we were only planning rural areas that were to be direct buried by cable plow with drilling only short runs to cross roads or other obatacles. Chuck's right that its about as small as drills come but it was a great way for us to get started in fiber at a reasonable cost. We've put in about 5 miles of fiber so far using this drill. Chris Fabien LakeNet LLC On Jun 12, 2015 8:53 AM, Paul Conlin pcon...@blazebroadband.com wrote: So what are you replacing this with, and why? Not questioning the condition of the machine for sale. Beyond the obvious that a bigger machine does bigger jobs, I am interested in what equipment works for what types of jobs, terrain, etc., etc. PC Blaze Broadband *From:* fiber-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:fiber-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Chris Fabien *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2015 7:32 AM *To:* WISPA Fiber Discussion; WISPA General List; af@afmug.com *Subject:* [Fiber] FS: Directional Drill Package - Ditch Witch JT820 We've decided to upgrade our drill so I'm offering this complete drill package for sale. This is everything you need to drive out to the job site and start drilling tomorrow. Ditch Witch JT820 Directional Drill Ditch Witch 14,500lb GVW trailer Ditch Witch PF22 300gal mud system Digitrak Mark III locator system with remote display and yellow sonde Full rack of drill pipe (30 sticks) Entire pallet of tooling, backreamers, and misc spare parts. Drill is in good working order. We've been using it almost every day this spring. Hours unknown. We've been able to drill about 250ft max in one bore and have pulled 700ft length of two 1.25 innerduct with this drill. It's really a nice little package and light enough to pull with a pickup. Recently has had over $3k in new parts this spring including new carriage slide and bearings, chain sprocket bearings, rear wrench collar and cylinder, rebuilt mud pump and new cooling fan on trailer, two new 70ft mud hoses, several other things I can't recall. Asking $19,000 obo for the package. May sell pieces individually. Willing to provide 1 day of training to buyer. Located in Michigan. I can take photos and video for seriously interested buyer. Also available: Second JT820 drill, running condition but not recently used much, was our backup drill. Extra Mark III locator. Additional drill pipe. Thanks, Chris Fabien LakeNet LLC ___ Fiber mailing list fi...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/fiber
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP 10 mhz vs 20mhz
Reasonable network management in Alaska could have a different measure than Chicago, given costs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 17:36:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP 10 mhz vs 20mhz A person engaged in the provision of broadband Internet access service, insofar as such person is so engaged, shall not block lawful content, applications, services, or nonharmful devices, /subject to reasonable network management//./ A person engaged in the provision of broadband Internet access service, insofar as such person is so engaged, shall not impair or degrade lawful Internet traffic on the basis of Internet content, application, or service, or use of a non-harmful device, /subject to reasonable network management.// / source: https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-15-24A1.pdf Your honor/insert title, in our Acceptable Use Policy that each customer signs, in accordance with the rules laid down by the FCC, we very clearly detail any and all network management practices that we use while stating the reason for such practices. As we run a fixed-wireless network, P2P transmissions have a very detrimental effect on wireless networking equipment - it affects all users on that node (and often other nodes) and impacts our ability to provide consistent service that individuals and businesses pay for. We have very little recourse in the matter. We can either block this singular type of traffic - not the content, but the delivery method - in accordance with the /reasonable network management/ clauses laid down in the FCC's rulings, or we can allow a singular user to impact the ability of several dozen or several hundred people. It is our belief that the FCC would not be so heavy handed and shortsighted as to force providers to allow a very specific type at the detriment of so many. We encourage the manufacturers of fixed wireless equipment to harden and redesign their equipment when and where necessary to allow us to unblock this singular type of traffic, so that we may open this back up. In addition, we have had no complaints over _X_ years due to this traffic limitation [obviously until this time]. Had an individual or business questioned our AUP or called to complain, we could have suggested they tunnel their P2P traffic over any one of a number of proxy or VPN services available for free or for a small fee on the internet. This would allow them access to the content they requested, still via P2P clients, without having a negative impact on other subscribers. ... just a brief snippet :P Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/10/2015 02:05 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: It actually looks like I was totally wrong, you haven’t been able to do it since this FCC Declaratory Ruling in 2008: https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-284286A1.pdf *From:* Hass, Douglas A. mailto:d...@franczek.com *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 4:54 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP 10 mhz vs 20mhz I disagree that you could split hairs that way. Blocking a method has the effect of blocking content, which is all that someone needs to show. El jun. 10, 2015 4:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com escribió: You're a lawyer now? :) For the record, blocking a delivery method != blocking content. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 06/10/2015 12:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: You are not allowed to block legal content. Period. If you rate limit it, you could perhaps claim it is reasonable network management, but “no throttling” is another of the 3 bright line rules. Remember one of the 2 or 3 actual cases of “bad behavior” cited for justifying all this was Comcast interfering with Bit Torrent back in something like 2007, and they weren’t even outright blocking it. As far as being sued, a customer could file a complaint with the FCC, rather than pursuing civil damages, likely that is the way they would go since all they have to do is fill in a form on the FCC website. My guess is the FCC will be much more interested in pursuing complaints from the likes of Netflix, Cogent and Level3 against the likes of Comcast, Verizon and Time Warner. Unless you piss off John Oliver. So it might just be like the BBB, they just send you the complaint and let you figure out what to do with it. That reminds me, I need to check if we are supposed to be registering a contact to receive Open Internet Order complaints, that kind of rings a bell, but maybe I’m confusing it with having a DC registered agent for CPNI complaints if you file Form 499. The other factor on your side is the customer might not want to complain to the FCC if their
Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
If you’re supposed to have –51 but actually have –66 on one chain and –77 on
the other, you’re on a sidelobe or don’t have clear LOS or are so badly
misaligned you’re operating on multipath. So it may be unfair to say that AF5X
is requiring “perfect alignment”. The dBm level may not be telling the whole
story, if you aren’t even in the right zipcode as far as alignment.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
Let's assume it is misaligned (based on what Alex said it should be something
like -51). AF5x can't register unless it's perfectly aligned? That's the part
that concerns me the most.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com wrote:
Technically, the support files said
status: slave-registering
rxpower0: -66
rxpower1: -77
rxcapacity: 3840
In most cases, this kind of chain imbalance means alignment or bad pigtail.
We know Josh Luthman knows how to align radios ;), so still waiting to see if
replacing it with a spare fixes it.
If it does, this would be the first case we've heard about w/ these symptoms,
and thousands have been installed successfully, with great feedback.
Either way, let us know what you find...
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 8:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Support files said the slave heard the master at -66. Doubt it.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 8:13 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
New EIRP rules biting you in the ass?
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
EPTP mode fills the latency fix.
My first attempt at AF5x and it won't even register. I'm trying to
replace Rockets that link up at -66. I'm told that there's a path issue or bad
radio.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 7:45 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Why exactly? Just asking. I'm wondering if we should be doing cheap PTP
with ePMP or AF5x. I have several Force110 links up (just SMs, not PTP)
operating all across the 5GHz bands. And one 10 mile link with Laird 2' dishes
using connectorized non-GPS radios. Other than some oddities like intermittent
increases in latency, they have all been working very well. Most are still
running 2.3.3 and I don't want to touch them because they're working just fine.
I'm leaning towards the Force110 PTP radios and whatever antennas required for
new links since it fits with all the other Canopy and ePMP stuff (power
injection, etc). But the AFs sure are nice when you can do FDD (except the 5X!)
and get very low latency like licensed.
On 6/11/2015 6:32 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Honestly I think they're better than AF5x at this point.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 7:25 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
wrote:
I got 2 links ready to deploy just sitting the office waiting to
go up on the tower
On Jun 11, 2015 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Uhm...I guess? It hears noise better than Ubnt for sure.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 6:23 PM, Lewis Bergman
lewis.berg...@gmail.com wrote:
Does the force auto select a clean frequency?
On Jun 11, 2015 5:13 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:
containerized... that must be when you buy a cheap router
from walmart in put it on a tower in a rubbermaid container.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince
part15...@gmail.com wrote:
You mean connectorized?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/11/2015 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
The containerized 5 GHz radios do the same throughput
Re: [AFMUG] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450 3.65 GHz
You could do a mass txt message to customers.
On 6/11/2015 2:39 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
A friend and I were on his roof when we were about 12 years old
watching his older brother try to fix the roof. Pretty steep pitch.
My friend started to slide off (very steep pitch, 2 story), I grabbed
his wrist. What happened next has been subject to debate for a half
decade almost:
He said: Don't, let go! (being homophobic teenagers and don't need
no stinkin' help from anyone).
Of course that is my version. No permanent injuries.
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 1:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer testimonial, side by side Canopy 450
3.65 GHz
Heard one like that yesterday; they were talking about the proper use of
a comma. For example:
Time to eat Grandma.
Time to eat, Grandma.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/11/2015 12:25 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Couple of hyphens could have been helpful:
Call me anything, except late for supper-or-Tecate.
Reminds me of a sign I saw on a protester the other day:
No!
More Rape.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
ok, that makes more sense. RTFA eh? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Brian Sullivan installe...@foxvalley.net wrote: 3' 34dBi antennas. Gary goes on to say further into the post that they are 31dBi (actual gain).. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber-Stories/eXtra-Long-Distance-225-km-140-miles-AF-5X-Today-and-Tomorrow/cns-p/1258362 On 6/12/2015 9:52 AM, Ben Moore wrote: Isn't that even more impressive? Worked very well for this link. Not sure what tower was capable on this one... On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The article said you used a 31db dish for a 140 mile link. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: huh? We offer 23, 31 and 34dBi dishes...How many of you are using 4 and 5' antennas? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Yeah, I've never understood their disdain for useful gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:43:55 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Ubiquiti clearly hates antenna gain. 31 dBi dishes! AF5 with 23dBi. I wonder how much better it would have done with 3' or 6' dishes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
Technically, the support files said
status: slave-registering
rxpower0: -66
rxpower1: -77
rxcapacity: 3840
In most cases, this kind of chain imbalance means alignment or bad pigtail.
We know Josh Luthman knows how to align radios ;), so still waiting to see
if replacing it with a spare fixes it.
If it does, this would be the first case we've heard about w/ these
symptoms, and thousands have been installed successfully, with great
feedback.
Either way, let us know what you find...
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 8:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Support files said the slave heard the master at -66. Doubt it.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 8:13 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
New EIRP rules biting you in the ass?
*From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:56 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
EPTP mode fills the latency fix.
My first attempt at AF5x and it won't even register. I'm trying to
replace Rockets that link up at -66. I'm told that there's a path issue or
bad radio.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 7:45 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Why exactly? Just asking. I'm wondering if we should be doing cheap PTP
with ePMP or AF5x. I have several Force110 links up (just SMs, not PTP)
operating all across the 5GHz bands. And one 10 mile link with Laird 2'
dishes using connectorized non-GPS radios. Other than some oddities like
intermittent increases in latency, they have all been working very well.
Most are still running 2.3.3 and I don't want to touch them because they're
working just fine. I'm leaning towards the Force110 PTP radios and whatever
antennas required for new links since it fits with all the other Canopy and
ePMP stuff (power injection, etc). But the AFs sure are nice when you can
do FDD (except the 5X!) and get very low latency like licensed.
On 6/11/2015 6:32 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Honestly I think they're better than AF5x at this point.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 7:25 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:
I got 2 links ready to deploy just sitting the office waiting to go up
on the tower
On Jun 11, 2015 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Uhm...I guess? It hears noise better than Ubnt for sure.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 6:23 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com
wrote:
Does the force auto select a clean frequency?
On Jun 11, 2015 5:13 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:
containerized... that must be when you buy a cheap router from
walmart in put it on a tower in a rubbermaid container.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
You mean connectorized?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/11/2015 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
The containerized 5 GHz radios do the same throughput
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
Ubiquiti clearly hates antenna gain. 31 dBi dishes! AF5 with 23dBi. I wonder how much better it would have done with 3' or 6' dishes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP 10 mhz vs 20mhz
To have a chance of surviving the reasonable network management test (and keep in mind it is likely not a court that you would be trying to persuade), it looks to me like using DPI to block an application (FCC already in their 2008 ruling against Comcast characterized Bit Torrent as an application) would be on shaky ground. Better to limit some technical parameter like number of open TCP connections, with some backup as to why the technical characteristics are harmful to your network. Other than the bandwidth used, I'm not sure why BT is so harmful to Josh's network. Maybe he is using NAT and a BT customer consumes too many entries in his router's conntrack table. If it's just the amount of sustained bandwidth used, the FCC told Comcast they should instead use other means like data caps or bandwidth limits, as long as they were transparent about it. -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP 10 mhz vs 20mhz Reasonable network management in Alaska could have a different measure than Chicago, given costs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 17:36:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP 10 mhz vs 20mhz A person engaged in the provision of broadband Internet access service, insofar as such person is so engaged, shall not block lawful content, applications, services, or nonharmful devices, /subject to reasonable network management//./ A person engaged in the provision of broadband Internet access service, insofar as such person is so engaged, shall not impair or degrade lawful Internet traffic on the basis of Internet content, application, or service, or use of a non-harmful device, /subject to reasonable network management.// / source: https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-15-24A1.pdf Your honor/insert title, in our Acceptable Use Policy that each customer signs, in accordance with the rules laid down by the FCC, we very clearly detail any and all network management practices that we use while stating the reason for such practices. As we run a fixed-wireless network, P2P transmissions have a very detrimental effect on wireless networking equipment - it affects all users on that node (and often other nodes) and impacts our ability to provide consistent service that individuals and businesses pay for. We have very little recourse in the matter. We can either block this singular type of traffic - not the content, but the delivery method - in accordance with the /reasonable network management/ clauses laid down in the FCC's rulings, or we can allow a singular user to impact the ability of several dozen or several hundred people. It is our belief that the FCC would not be so heavy handed and shortsighted as to force providers to allow a very specific type at the detriment of so many. We encourage the manufacturers of fixed wireless equipment to harden and redesign their equipment when and where necessary to allow us to unblock this singular type of traffic, so that we may open this back up. In addition, we have had no complaints over _X_ years due to this traffic limitation [obviously until this time]. Had an individual or business questioned our AUP or called to complain, we could have suggested they tunnel their P2P traffic over any one of a number of proxy or VPN services available for free or for a small fee on the internet. This would allow them access to the content they requested, still via P2P clients, without having a negative impact on other subscribers. ... just a brief snippet :P Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/10/2015 02:05 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: It actually looks like I was totally wrong, you haven’t been able to do it since this FCC Declaratory Ruling in 2008: https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-284286A1.pdf *From:* Hass, Douglas A. mailto:d...@franczek.com *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 4:54 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP 10 mhz vs 20mhz I disagree that you could split hairs that way. Blocking a method has the effect of blocking content, which is all that someone needs to show. El jun. 10, 2015 4:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com escribió: You're a lawyer now? :) For the record, blocking a delivery method != blocking content. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 06/10/2015 12:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: You are not allowed to block legal content. Period. If you rate limit it, you could perhaps claim it is reasonable network management, but “no throttling” is another of the 3 bright line rules. Remember one of the 2 or 3 actual cases of “bad behavior” cited for justifying all this was Comcast interfering with Bit Torrent
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
Yeah, I've never understood their disdain for useful gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:43:55 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Ubiquiti clearly hates antenna gain. 31 dBi dishes! AF5 with 23dBi. I wonder how much better it would have done with 3' or 6' dishes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
The article said you used a 31db dish for a 140 mile link. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: huh? We offer 23, 31 and 34dBi dishes...How many of you are using 4 and 5' antennas? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Yeah, I've never understood their disdain for useful gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:43:55 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Ubiquiti clearly hates antenna gain. 31 dBi dishes! AF5 with 23dBi. I wonder how much better it would have done with 3' or 6' dishes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
Isn't that even more impressive? Worked very well for this link. Not sure what tower was capable on this one... On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The article said you used a 31db dish for a 140 mile link. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: huh? We offer 23, 31 and 34dBi dishes...How many of you are using 4 and 5' antennas? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Yeah, I've never understood their disdain for useful gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:43:55 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Ubiquiti clearly hates antenna gain. 31 dBi dishes! AF5 with 23dBi. I wonder how much better it would have done with 3' or 6' dishes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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3' 34dBi antennas. Gary goes on to say further into the post that they are 31dBi (actual gain).. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber-Stories/eXtra-Long-Distance-225-km-140-miles-AF-5X-Today-and-Tomorrow/cns-p/1258362 On 6/12/2015 9:52 AM, Ben Moore wrote: Isn't that even more impressive? Worked very well for this link. Not sure what tower was capable on this one... On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The article said you used a 31db dish for a 140 mile link. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: huh? We offer 23, 31 and 34dBi dishes...How many of you are using 4 and 5' antennas? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Yeah, I've never understood their disdain for useful gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:43:55 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Ubiquiti clearly hates antenna gain. 31 dBi dishes! AF5 with 23dBi. I wonder how much better it would have done with 3' or 6' dishes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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Ahh...yes, they are the 3' dishes. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Brian Sullivan installe...@foxvalley.net wrote: 3' 34dBi antennas. Gary goes on to say further into the post that they are 31dBi (actual gain).. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber-Stories/eXtra-Long-Distance-225-km-140-miles-AF-5X-Today-and-Tomorrow/cns-p/1258362 On 6/12/2015 9:52 AM, Ben Moore wrote: Isn't that even more impressive? Worked very well for this link. Not sure what tower was capable on this one... On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The article said you used a 31db dish for a 140 mile link. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: huh? We offer 23, 31 and 34dBi dishes...How many of you are using 4 and 5' antennas? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Yeah, I've never understood their disdain for useful gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:43:55 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Ubiquiti clearly hates antenna gain. 31 dBi dishes! AF5 with 23dBi. I wonder how much better it would have done with 3' or 6' dishes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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It's definitely impressive, but why wouldn't you have used a 34db dish? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Isn't that even more impressive? Worked very well for this link. Not sure what tower was capable on this one... On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The article said you used a 31db dish for a 140 mile link. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: huh? We offer 23, 31 and 34dBi dishes...How many of you are using 4 and 5' antennas? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Yeah, I've never understood their disdain for useful gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:43:55 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Ubiquiti clearly hates antenna gain. 31 dBi dishes! AF5 with 23dBi. I wonder how much better it would have done with 3' or 6' dishes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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Did anyone else notice the complete lack of a grounding wire? I think by Ubnt publishing and boasting this link, we should all follow suit and install our radios similarly. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: How many of us are doing 140 mile links too. ;-) I don't consider anything under ~30 dB worthwhile for backhaul almost anywhere. ;-) Anything more than 15 - 20 miles, I go to 34 dB. At 140 miles I wouldn't use any less than 8' dishes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:47:24 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? huh? We offer 23, 31 and 34dBi dishes...How many of you are using 4 and 5' antennas? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Yeah, I've never understood their disdain for useful gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:43:55 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Ubiquiti clearly hates antenna gain. 31 dBi dishes! AF5 with 23dBi. I wonder how much better it would have done with 3' or 6' dishes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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Bad cheerios this morning? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did anyone else notice the complete lack of a grounding wire? I think by Ubnt publishing and boasting this link, we should all follow suit and install our radios similarly. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: How many of us are doing 140 mile links too. ;-) I don't consider anything under ~30 dB worthwhile for backhaul almost anywhere. ;-) Anything more than 15 - 20 miles, I go to 34 dB. At 140 miles I wouldn't use any less than 8' dishes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:47:24 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? huh? We offer 23, 31 and 34dBi dishes...How many of you are using 4 and 5' antennas? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Yeah, I've never understood their disdain for useful gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:43:55 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Ubiquiti clearly hates antenna gain. 31 dBi dishes! AF5 with 23dBi. I wonder how much better it would have done with 3' or 6' dishes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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No such thing!!! Cheerios are amazing. Especially the milk afterward. I'm just saying don't deny any RMAs due to lack of a ground cable if you're not practicing what you preach =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Bad cheerios this morning? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did anyone else notice the complete lack of a grounding wire? I think by Ubnt publishing and boasting this link, we should all follow suit and install our radios similarly. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: How many of us are doing 140 mile links too. ;-) I don't consider anything under ~30 dB worthwhile for backhaul almost anywhere. ;-) Anything more than 15 - 20 miles, I go to 34 dB. At 140 miles I wouldn't use any less than 8' dishes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:47:24 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? huh? We offer 23, 31 and 34dBi dishes...How many of you are using 4 and 5' antennas? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Yeah, I've never understood their disdain for useful gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:43:55 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Ubiquiti clearly hates antenna gain. 31 dBi dishes! AF5 with 23dBi. I wonder how much better it would have done with 3' or 6' dishes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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I thought it was common knowledge that Ubiquiti antenna gain numbers add 2-3db in taxes. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Wait I don't understand how is a 34dBi dish labeled as such if it's only 31dBi? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Ahh...yes, they are the 3' dishes. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Brian Sullivan installe...@foxvalley.net wrote: 3' 34dBi antennas. Gary goes on to say further into the post that they are 31dBi (actual gain).. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber-Stories/eXtra-Long-Distance-225-km-140-miles-AF-5X-Today-and-Tomorrow/cns-p/1258362 On 6/12/2015 9:52 AM, Ben Moore wrote: Isn't that even more impressive? Worked very well for this link. Not sure what tower was capable on this one... On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The article said you used a 31db dish for a 140 mile link. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: huh? We offer 23, 31 and 34dBi dishes...How many of you are using 4 and 5' antennas? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Yeah, I've never understood their disdain for useful gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:43:55 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Ubiquiti clearly hates antenna gain. 31 dBi dishes! AF5 with 23dBi. I wonder how much better it would have done with 3' or 6' dishes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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Me. Jaime Solorza On Jun 12, 2015 8:47 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: huh? We offer 23, 31 and 34dBi dishes...How many of you are using 4 and 5' antennas? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Yeah, I've never understood their disdain for useful gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:43:55 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Ubiquiti clearly hates antenna gain. 31 dBi dishes! AF5 with 23dBi. I wonder how much better it would have done with 3' or 6' dishes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
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Wait I don't understand how is a 34dBi dish labeled as such if it's only 31dBi? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Ahh...yes, they are the 3' dishes. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Brian Sullivan installe...@foxvalley.net wrote: 3' 34dBi antennas. Gary goes on to say further into the post that they are 31dBi (actual gain).. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber-Stories/eXtra-Long-Distance-225-km-140-miles-AF-5X-Today-and-Tomorrow/cns-p/1258362 On 6/12/2015 9:52 AM, Ben Moore wrote: Isn't that even more impressive? Worked very well for this link. Not sure what tower was capable on this one... On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The article said you used a 31db dish for a 140 mile link. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: huh? We offer 23, 31 and 34dBi dishes...How many of you are using 4 and 5' antennas? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Yeah, I've never understood their disdain for useful gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:43:55 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Ubiquiti clearly hates antenna gain. 31 dBi dishes! AF5 with 23dBi. I wonder how much better it would have done with 3' or 6' dishes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
How many of us are doing 140 mile links too. ;-) I don't consider anything under ~30 dB worthwhile for backhaul almost anywhere. ;-) Anything more than 15 - 20 miles, I go to 34 dB. At 140 miles I wouldn't use any less than 8' dishes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:47:24 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? huh? We offer 23, 31 and 34dBi dishes...How many of you are using 4 and 5' antennas? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Yeah, I've never understood their disdain for useful gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:43:55 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Ubiquiti clearly hates antenna gain. 31 dBi dishes! AF5 with 23dBi. I wonder how much better it would have done with 3' or 6' dishes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
My bet is most customers are not using 4 and 5' dishes...or 8' dishes. Happy to be proven wrong ;) Speak up now... On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: How many of us are doing 140 mile links too. ;-) I don't consider anything under ~30 dB worthwhile for backhaul almost anywhere. ;-) Anything more than 15 - 20 miles, I go to 34 dB. At 140 miles I wouldn't use any less than 8' dishes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:47:24 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? huh? We offer 23, 31 and 34dBi dishes...How many of you are using 4 and 5' antennas? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Yeah, I've never understood their disdain for useful gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:43:55 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Ubiquiti clearly hates antenna gain. 31 dBi dishes! AF5 with 23dBi. I wonder how much better it would have done with 3' or 6' dishes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
I would have to agree (though I haven't filled one in months/years luckily!) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: This was not our link...we helped with it. I am not sure what they have for grounding now but warranty rules still apply ;). I also think we are pretty lenient with RMA's... On Jun 12, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: No such thing!!! Cheerios are amazing. Especially the milk afterward. I'm just saying don't deny any RMAs due to lack of a ground cable if you're not practicing what you preach =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Bad cheerios this morning? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did anyone else notice the complete lack of a grounding wire? I think by Ubnt publishing and boasting this link, we should all follow suit and install our radios similarly. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: How many of us are doing 140 mile links too. ;-) I don't consider anything under ~30 dB worthwhile for backhaul almost anywhere. ;-) Anything more than 15 - 20 miles, I go to 34 dB. At 140 miles I wouldn't use any less than 8' dishes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:47:24 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? huh? We offer 23, 31 and 34dBi dishes...How many of you are using 4 and 5' antennas? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Yeah, I've never understood their disdain for useful gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:43:55 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Ubiquiti clearly hates antenna gain. 31 dBi dishes! AF5 with 23dBi. I wonder how much better it would have done with 3' or 6' dishes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
It would be nice to see the LAT/LONG for it, and the AGL heights for the antennas? Would like to study the topology a bit From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ben Moore Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 12:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? This was not our link...we helped with it. I am not sure what they have for grounding now but warranty rules still apply ;). I also think we are pretty lenient with RMA's... On Jun 12, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: No such thing!!! Cheerios are amazing. Especially the milk afterward. I'm just saying don't deny any RMAs due to lack of a ground cable if you're not practicing what you preach =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Bad cheerios this morning? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did anyone else notice the complete lack of a grounding wire? I think by Ubnt publishing and boasting this link, we should all follow suit and install our radios similarly. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: How many of us are doing 140 mile links too. ;-) I don't consider anything under ~30 dB worthwhile for backhaul almost anywhere. ;-) Anything more than 15 - 20 miles, I go to 34 dB. At 140 miles I wouldn't use any less than 8' dishes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.commailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:47:24 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? huh? We offer 23, 31 and 34dBi dishes...How many of you are using 4 and 5' antennas? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Yeah, I've never understood their disdain for useful gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:43:55 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Ubiquiti clearly hates antenna gain. 31 dBi dishes! AF5 with 23dBi. I wonder how much better it would have done with 3' or 6' dishes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
Did you mean this? On 6/12/2015 11:52 AM, Paul McCall wrote: It would be nice to see the LAT/LONG for it, and the AGL heights for the antennas? Would like to study the topology a bit *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ben Moore *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2015 12:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? This was not our link...we helped with it. I am not sure what they have for grounding now but warranty rules still apply ;). I also think we are pretty lenient with RMA's... On Jun 12, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: No such thing!!! Cheerios are amazing. Especially the milk afterward. I'm just saying don't deny any RMAs due to lack of a ground cable if you're not practicing what you preach =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Bad cheerios this morning? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did anyone else notice the complete lack of a grounding wire? I think by Ubnt publishing and boasting this link, we should all follow suit and install our radios similarly. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: How many of us are doing 140 mile links too. ;-) I don't consider anything under ~30 dB worthwhile for backhaul almost anywhere. ;-) Anything more than 15 - 20 miles, I go to 34 dB. At 140 miles I wouldn't use any less than 8' dishes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix *From: *Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:47:24 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? huh? We offer 23, 31 and 34dBi dishes...How many of you are using 4 and 5' antennas? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Yeah, I've never understood their disdain for useful gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:43:55 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Ubiquiti clearly hates antenna gain. 31 dBi dishes! AF5 with 23dBi. I wonder how much better it would have done with 3' or 6' dishes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
There is some variance with antennas...Especially over that wide of a band. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: I thought it was common knowledge that Ubiquiti antenna gain numbers add 2-3db in taxes. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Wait I don't understand how is a 34dBi dish labeled as such if it's only 31dBi? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Ahh...yes, they are the 3' dishes. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Brian Sullivan installe...@foxvalley.net wrote: 3' 34dBi antennas. Gary goes on to say further into the post that they are 31dBi (actual gain).. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber-Stories/eXtra-Long-Distance-225-km-140-miles-AF-5X-Today-and-Tomorrow/cns-p/1258362 On 6/12/2015 9:52 AM, Ben Moore wrote: Isn't that even more impressive? Worked very well for this link. Not sure what tower was capable on this one... On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The article said you used a 31db dish for a 140 mile link. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: huh? We offer 23, 31 and 34dBi dishes...How many of you are using 4 and 5' antennas? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Yeah, I've never understood their disdain for useful gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:43:55 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Ubiquiti clearly hates antenna gain. 31 dBi dishes! AF5 with 23dBi. I wonder how much better it would have done with 3' or 6' dishes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
This was not our link...we helped with it. I am not sure what they have for grounding now but warranty rules still apply ;). I also think we are pretty lenient with RMA's... On Jun 12, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: No such thing!!! Cheerios are amazing. Especially the milk afterward. I'm just saying don't deny any RMAs due to lack of a ground cable if you're not practicing what you preach =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Bad cheerios this morning? ;) On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did anyone else notice the complete lack of a grounding wire? I think by Ubnt publishing and boasting this link, we should all follow suit and install our radios similarly. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: How many of us are doing 140 mile links too. ;-) I don't consider anything under ~30 dB worthwhile for backhaul almost anywhere. ;-) Anything more than 15 - 20 miles, I go to 34 dB. At 140 miles I wouldn't use any less than 8' dishes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:47:24 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? huh? We offer 23, 31 and 34dBi dishes...How many of you are using 4 and 5' antennas? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Yeah, I've never understood their disdain for useful gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:43:55 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Ubiquiti clearly hates antenna gain. 31 dBi dishes! AF5 with 23dBi. I wonder how much better it would have done with 3' or 6' dishes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
So you have a Dev build that is doing 1024QAM ?
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
- Original Message -
From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 3:32:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
Dev build ;)
On 2015-06-11 10:38 pm, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
now running at over 100MBps on a 10MHz channel... ???
Is that Air rate you are quoting ?
256QAM on a 10meg channel falls short of 100MBps ...
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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FROM: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
TO: af@afmug.com
SENT: Thursday, June 11, 2015 8:42:24 PM
SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
Ours replaced RM5's that wouldn't even link... now running at over
100MBps on a 10MHz channel...
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com [1]
On 06/11/2015 04:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
No it's just the Af5x...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 7:57 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
You seem to have a lot of issues with radios that won't link up. ;-)
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FROM: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
TO: af@afmug.com
SENT: Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:56:12 PM
SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
EPTP mode fills the latency fix.
My first attempt at AF5x and it won't even register. I'm trying to
replace Rockets that link up at -66. I'm told that there's a path
issue or bad radio.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 [11]
Direct: 937-552-2343 [12]
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 7:45 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Why exactly? Just asking. I'm wondering if we should be doing cheap
PTP with ePMP or AF5x. I have several Force110 links up (just SMs,
not PTP) operating all across the 5GHz bands. And one 10 mile link
with Laird 2' dishes using connectorized non-GPS radios. Other than
some oddities like intermittent increases in latency, they have all
been working very well. Most are still running 2.3.3 and I don't
want to touch them because they're working just fine. I'm leaning
towards the Force110 PTP radios and whatever antennas required for
new links since it fits with all the other Canopy and ePMP stuff
(power injection, etc). But the AFs sure are nice when you can do
FDD (except the 5X!) and get very low latency like licensed.
On 6/11/2015 6:32 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Honestly I think they're better than AF5x at this point.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 [11]
Direct: 937-552-2343 [12]
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 7:25 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
wrote:
I got 2 links ready to deploy just sitting the office waiting to go
up on the tower
On Jun 11, 2015 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Uhm...I guess? It hears noise better than Ubnt for sure.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 [11]
Direct: 937-552-2343 [12]
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 6:23 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com
wrote:
Does the force auto select a clean frequency?
On Jun 11, 2015 5:13 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:
containerized... that must be when you buy a cheap router from
walmart in put it on a tower in a rubbermaid container.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
You mean connectorized?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/11/2015 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
The containerized 5 GHz radios do the same throughput
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Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
So what frequency (range) gives you 34? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: There is some variance with antennas...Especially over that wide of a band. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com wrote: I thought it was common knowledge that Ubiquiti antenna gain numbers add 2-3db in taxes. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Wait I don't understand how is a 34dBi dish labeled as such if it's only 31dBi? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Ahh...yes, they are the 3' dishes. On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Brian Sullivan installe...@foxvalley.net wrote: 3' 34dBi antennas. Gary goes on to say further into the post that they are 31dBi (actual gain).. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber-Stories/eXtra-Long-Distance-225-km-140-miles-AF-5X-Today-and-Tomorrow/cns-p/1258362 On 6/12/2015 9:52 AM, Ben Moore wrote: Isn't that even more impressive? Worked very well for this link. Not sure what tower was capable on this one... On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The article said you used a 31db dish for a 140 mile link. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: huh? We offer 23, 31 and 34dBi dishes...How many of you are using 4 and 5' antennas? On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Yeah, I've never understood their disdain for useful gain. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:43:55 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? Ubiquiti clearly hates antenna gain. 31 dBi dishes! AF5 with 23dBi. I wonder how much better it would have done with 3' or 6' dishes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM Subject: [AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP 10 mhz vs 20mhz
Yes, shotguns with slugs are involved! DA BEARS ;) On Jun 12, 2015 6:35 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Reasonable network management in Alaska could have a different measure than Chicago, given costs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 17:36:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP 10 mhz vs 20mhz A person engaged in the provision of broadband Internet access service, insofar as such person is so engaged, shall not block lawful content, applications, services, or nonharmful devices, /subject to reasonable network management//./ A person engaged in the provision of broadband Internet access service, insofar as such person is so engaged, shall not impair or degrade lawful Internet traffic on the basis of Internet content, application, or service, or use of a non-harmful device, /subject to reasonable network management.// / source: https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-15-24A1.pdf Your honor/insert title, in our Acceptable Use Policy that each customer signs, in accordance with the rules laid down by the FCC, we very clearly detail any and all network management practices that we use while stating the reason for such practices. As we run a fixed-wireless network, P2P transmissions have a very detrimental effect on wireless networking equipment - it affects all users on that node (and often other nodes) and impacts our ability to provide consistent service that individuals and businesses pay for. We have very little recourse in the matter. We can either block this singular type of traffic - not the content, but the delivery method - in accordance with the /reasonable network management/ clauses laid down in the FCC's rulings, or we can allow a singular user to impact the ability of several dozen or several hundred people. It is our belief that the FCC would not be so heavy handed and shortsighted as to force providers to allow a very specific type at the detriment of so many. We encourage the manufacturers of fixed wireless equipment to harden and redesign their equipment when and where necessary to allow us to unblock this singular type of traffic, so that we may open this back up. In addition, we have had no complaints over _X_ years due to this traffic limitation [obviously until this time]. Had an individual or business questioned our AUP or called to complain, we could have suggested they tunnel their P2P traffic over any one of a number of proxy or VPN services available for free or for a small fee on the internet. This would allow them access to the content they requested, still via P2P clients, without having a negative impact on other subscribers. ... just a brief snippet :P Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/10/2015 02:05 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: It actually looks like I was totally wrong, you haven’t been able to do it since this FCC Declaratory Ruling in 2008: https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-284286A1.pdf *From:* Hass, Douglas A. mailto:d...@franczek.com *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2015 4:54 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP 10 mhz vs 20mhz I disagree that you could split hairs that way. Blocking a method has the effect of blocking content, which is all that someone needs to show. El jun. 10, 2015 4:52 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com escribió: You're a lawyer now? :) For the record, blocking a delivery method != blocking content. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 06/10/2015 12:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: You are not allowed to block legal content. Period. If you rate limit it, you could perhaps claim it is reasonable network management, but “no throttling” is another of the 3 bright line rules. Remember one of the 2 or 3 actual cases of “bad behavior” cited for justifying all this was Comcast interfering with Bit Torrent back in something like 2007, and they weren’t even outright blocking it. As far as being sued, a customer could file a complaint with the FCC, rather than pursuing civil damages, likely that is the way they would go since all they have to do is fill in a form on the FCC website. My guess is the FCC will be much more interested in pursuing complaints from the likes of Netflix, Cogent and Level3 against the likes of Comcast, Verizon and Time Warner. Unless you piss off John Oliver. So it might just be like the BBB, they just send you the complaint and let you figure out what to do with it. That reminds me, I need to check if we are supposed to be registering a contact to receive
Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
First, there is no air rate on any air fiber listed, these are FPGAs.
Secondly, yes. It may or may not be released. Its been out for awhile.
On Jun 12, 2015 6:10 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote:
So you have a Dev build that is doing 1024QAM ?
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
- Original Message -
From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 3:32:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
Dev build ;)
On 2015-06-11 10:38 pm, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
now running at over 100MBps on a 10MHz channel... ???
Is that Air rate you are quoting ?
256QAM on a 10meg channel falls short of 100MBps ...
Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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FROM: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
TO: af@afmug.com
SENT: Thursday, June 11, 2015 8:42:24 PM
SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
Ours replaced RM5's that wouldn't even link... now running at over
100MBps on a 10MHz channel...
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com [1]
On 06/11/2015 04:02 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
No it's just the Af5x...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 7:57 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
You seem to have a lot of issues with radios that won't link up. ;-)
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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[3] [4] [5] [6]
Midwest Internet Exchange
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[8] [9] [10]
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FROM: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
TO: af@afmug.com
SENT: Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:56:12 PM
SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
EPTP mode fills the latency fix.
My first attempt at AF5x and it won't even register. I'm trying to
replace Rockets that link up at -66. I'm told that there's a path
issue or bad radio.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 [11]
Direct: 937-552-2343 [12]
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 7:45 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Why exactly? Just asking. I'm wondering if we should be doing cheap
PTP with ePMP or AF5x. I have several Force110 links up (just SMs,
not PTP) operating all across the 5GHz bands. And one 10 mile link
with Laird 2' dishes using connectorized non-GPS radios. Other than
some oddities like intermittent increases in latency, they have all
been working very well. Most are still running 2.3.3 and I don't
want to touch them because they're working just fine. I'm leaning
towards the Force110 PTP radios and whatever antennas required for
new links since it fits with all the other Canopy and ePMP stuff
(power injection, etc). But the AFs sure are nice when you can do
FDD (except the 5X!) and get very low latency like licensed.
On 6/11/2015 6:32 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Honestly I think they're better than AF5x at this point.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 [11]
Direct: 937-552-2343 [12]
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 7:25 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
wrote:
I got 2 links ready to deploy just sitting the office waiting to go
up on the tower
On Jun 11, 2015 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Uhm...I guess? It hears noise better than Ubnt for sure.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 [11]
Direct: 937-552-2343 [12]
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 6:23 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com
wrote:
Does the force auto select a clean frequency?
On Jun 11, 2015 5:13 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:
containerized... that must be when you buy a cheap router from
walmart in put it on a tower in a rubbermaid container.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
You mean connectorized?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/11/2015 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
The containerized 5 GHz radios do the same throughput
Links:
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[5]
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
He had a 75-mile 18GHz link, from what I recall. On 6/12/2015 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
August 27, 2007 A new world record distance for a 5 GHz Wi-Fi link has been achieved by the Italian Center for Radio Activities (C.I.S.A.R), and Ubiquiti Networks, a leading innovator in outdoor wireless broadband solutions. The distance of 304km (188.89 miles) was established from Sardinia Island to Central Italy achieving data-rates of about 5Mbps, using Ubiquiti’s XtremeRange5 (XR5) High-Power Carrier Class mini-PCI radio module and 35dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish antennas. from: http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 06/12/2015 10:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: So back to the original post... didn't Travis have a link in that area with a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in one of those other areas I mentioned. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] AF5x Record? I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had links in that area. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
Let's assume it is misaligned (based on what Alex said it should be
something like -51). AF5x can't register unless it's perfectly aligned?
That's the part that concerns me the most.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com wrote:
Technically, the support files said
status: slave-registering
rxpower0: -66
rxpower1: -77
rxcapacity: 3840
In most cases, this kind of chain imbalance means alignment or bad
pigtail. We know Josh Luthman knows how to align radios ;), so still
waiting to see if replacing it with a spare fixes it.
If it does, this would be the first case we've heard about w/ these
symptoms, and thousands have been installed successfully, with great
feedback.
Either way, let us know what you find...
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 8:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Support files said the slave heard the master at -66. Doubt it.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 8:13 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
New EIRP rules biting you in the ass?
*From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:56 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
EPTP mode fills the latency fix.
My first attempt at AF5x and it won't even register. I'm trying to
replace Rockets that link up at -66. I'm told that there's a path issue or
bad radio.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 7:45 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Why exactly? Just asking. I'm wondering if we should be doing cheap PTP
with ePMP or AF5x. I have several Force110 links up (just SMs, not PTP)
operating all across the 5GHz bands. And one 10 mile link with Laird 2'
dishes using connectorized non-GPS radios. Other than some oddities like
intermittent increases in latency, they have all been working very well.
Most are still running 2.3.3 and I don't want to touch them because they're
working just fine. I'm leaning towards the Force110 PTP radios and whatever
antennas required for new links since it fits with all the other Canopy and
ePMP stuff (power injection, etc). But the AFs sure are nice when you can
do FDD (except the 5X!) and get very low latency like licensed.
On 6/11/2015 6:32 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Honestly I think they're better than AF5x at this point.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 7:25 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:
I got 2 links ready to deploy just sitting the office waiting to go
up on the tower
On Jun 11, 2015 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Uhm...I guess? It hears noise better than Ubnt for sure.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 6:23 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com
wrote:
Does the force auto select a clean frequency?
On Jun 11, 2015 5:13 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:
containerized... that must be when you buy a cheap router from
walmart in put it on a tower in a rubbermaid container.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
You mean connectorized?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/11/2015 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
The containerized 5 GHz radios do the same throughput
Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
My Rocket M5 is passing 30 megs on it right now. So again, if it is
misaligned:
AF5x doesn't associate
Rocket M5 passes 30 megs
If it is aligned:
AF5x doesn't associate
Rocket M5 passes 30 megs
Which would you prefer?
What if this was a new install and I'm trying to align it starting with
AF5x radios? At that kind of a signal it won't associate?! I remember the
days when I could have an XR5 in an rb532 with a grid laying in the bed
associate at -90 to make sure the configuration was right.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
If you’re supposed to have –51 but actually have –66 on one chain and
–77 on the other, you’re on a sidelobe or don’t have clear LOS or are so
badly misaligned you’re operating on multipath. So it may be unfair to say
that AF5X is requiring “perfect alignment”. The dBm level may not be
telling the whole story, if you aren’t even in the right zipcode as far as
alignment.
*From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2015 9:28 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
Let's assume it is misaligned (based on what Alex said it should be
something like -51). AF5x can't register unless it's perfectly aligned?
That's the part that concerns me the most.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com wrote:
Technically, the support files said
status: slave-registering
rxpower0: -66
rxpower1: -77
rxcapacity: 3840
In most cases, this kind of chain imbalance means alignment or bad
pigtail. We know Josh Luthman knows how to align radios ;), so still
waiting to see if replacing it with a spare fixes it.
If it does, this would be the first case we've heard about w/ these
symptoms, and thousands have been installed successfully, with great
feedback.
Either way, let us know what you find...
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 8:18 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Support files said the slave heard the master at -66. Doubt it.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 8:13 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
New EIRP rules biting you in the ass?
*From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:56 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Force110 PTP links
EPTP mode fills the latency fix.
My first attempt at AF5x and it won't even register. I'm trying to
replace Rockets that link up at -66. I'm told that there's a path issue or
bad radio.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 7:45 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Why exactly? Just asking. I'm wondering if we should be doing cheap
PTP with ePMP or AF5x. I have several Force110 links up (just SMs, not
PTP)
operating all across the 5GHz bands. And one 10 mile link with Laird 2'
dishes using connectorized non-GPS radios. Other than some oddities like
intermittent increases in latency, they have all been working very well.
Most are still running 2.3.3 and I don't want to touch them because
they're
working just fine. I'm leaning towards the Force110 PTP radios and
whatever
antennas required for new links since it fits with all the other Canopy
and
ePMP stuff (power injection, etc). But the AFs sure are nice when you can
do FDD (except the 5X!) and get very low latency like licensed.
On 6/11/2015 6:32 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Honestly I think they're better than AF5x at this point.
Josh Luthman
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On Jun 11, 2015 7:25 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
wrote:
I got 2 links ready to deploy just sitting the office waiting to go
up on the tower
On Jun 11, 2015 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Uhm...I guess? It hears noise better than Ubnt for sure.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 11, 2015 6:23 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com
wrote:
Does the force auto select a clean frequency?
On Jun 11, 2015 5:13 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
wrote:
containerized... that must be when you buy a cheap router from
walmart in put it on a tower in a rubbermaid container.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
You mean connectorized?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/11/2015 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
The containerized 5 GHz radios do the same throughput
