Re: [AFMUG] POE + standard

[Paul McCall]

What are the options?  No timing port?  (haven’t looked at them yet)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:14 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE + standard


Just be aware there are very limited options for getting sync into a 450i if 
you don't use sync over the power port.
On Mar 29, 2016 1:22 PM, "Sean Heskett" 
> wrote:
the 450i does

the 450 is the "old canopy" standard.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Does Cambium’s new 450 gear (APs) support POE +  ?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 1:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] POE + standard


Is it possible to get a device not specifically designed for a POE + injector 
to work off that?   I have tried a device (namely a 320AP with the pin 4 and 8 
swapped to provide the proper + -   on 4, 5 and +- on 7,8) and the POE device 
(actually an edgepoint S16) doesn’t seem to react to it.  I know the cable is 
good (tested using another method).  When you pick POE+ within the Edgepoint, 
no indicator lights come on on the Edgepoint (unlike any the other POE settings 
which have indicator lights active to show the appropriate power activation).

Hoping to make this work somehow

Paul, PDMNet

Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn 45/

[Josh Reynolds]

They make a 30 just for that...
On Mar 29, 2016 11:15 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> True, but I would think the narrower beams would be more desirable in that
> case... which are also higher gain.
>
> If I needed to put six or eight sectors on a tower, I would definitely be
> looking at these.
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:50 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Still perfect for high density short range micropops on new gen TX/RX
>> filtering radio designs ;)
>> On Mar 29, 2016 10:48 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>>
>>> The wider beam horns are pretty low gain though...  the 90 degree is
>>> only 10dbi
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Oh they made new ones?! Awesome news. I was so bummed out talking to JT
 about their freq range awhile back. I'm glad they redesigned them.
 On Mar 29, 2016 10:42 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
 wrote:

> They have a full range... 30/40/50/60/70/80/90...
>
> Just need to make sure you get the newer stuff that supports the full
> 5.x range...
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:43:47 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp
> sectors on arohn 45/
>
> The widest is 65* or so, though.  That's a lot more expensive for
> someone debating two or four radios.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Mar 29, 2016 9:42 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> wrote:
>
>> ... One can always look at something like the Rf Elements Simper
>> Horn antennas... Stacking them close to each other on the mast would not 
>> be
>> an issue with them
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:16:04 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp
>> sectors on arohn 45/
>>
>> We're only doing 5ghz ePMP at this point, but I wouldn't put APs that
>> close together unless I really had to anyway... I don't think we have any
>> ePMP sectors with less than about 3' feet of separation.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Brandon Yuchasz <
>> li...@gogebicrange.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I am coming from FSK mostly and a little 450 so forgive my
>>> ignorance. With FSK we still needed 3 wavelengths ( 3 feet )  of 
>>> separation
>>> horizontally in 900mhz to keep from self-interfering even with GPS. 3
>>> wavelengths in 2.4 is a little more than 14 inches. Are you installing
>>> antennas close to each other than that and finding the GPS deals with it
>>> fine?  Ideally I would install two antennas to a pipe using some 
>>> brackets
>>> to stand the antennas off the tower leg. Those antennas are going to be
>>> awful close to each other.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Brandon Yuchasz
>>>
>>> GogebicRange.net
>>>
>>> www.gogebicrange.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew
>>> Howard
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:59 AM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp
>>> sectors on a rohn 45/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Even if you only do two sectors, you still want to do GPS, as that
>>> will take care of the self interference problem.
>>>
>>> If you can cover all the customers with two 90 degrees, you could
>>> just put those up initially and you can always add the other two later 
>>> on,
>>> if you have the need... or you could do two 120's and add a third later 
>>> on
>>> (doing ABC) - but you still need to go with GPS radios.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Brandon Yuchasz <
>>> li...@gogebicrange.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I assume you ran this way with some separation on channels? For
>>> example used 1 and 11?  I am looking at this as a way to off load line 
>>> of
>>> site and near line of site 900mhz fsk. We are deploying the 

Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn 45/

[Faisal Imtiaz]

That is what I was told at the WISPAmerica show when i was giving them a bit of 
grief.. not sure what is the production / shipping schedule... They told me 
that they have solved that problem :) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:46:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn
> 45/

> Oh they made new ones?! Awesome news. I was so bummed out talking to JT about
> their freq range awhile back. I'm glad they redesigned them.
> On Mar 29, 2016 10:42 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote:

>> They have a full range... 30/40/50/60/70/80/90...

>> Just need to make sure you get the newer stuff that supports the full 5.x
>> range...

>> :)

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:43:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a 
>>> rohn
>>> 45/

>>> The widest is 65* or so, though. That's a lot more expensive for someone
>>> debating two or four radios.

>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Mar 29, 2016 9:42 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote:

 ... One can always look at something like the Rf Elements Simper Horn
 antennas... Stacking them close to each other on the mast would not be an 
 issue
 with them

 :)

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

> From: "Mathew Howard" < mhoward...@gmail.com >
> To: "af" < af@afmug.com >
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:16:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a 
> rohn
> 45/

> We're only doing 5ghz ePMP at this point, but I wouldn't put APs that 
> close
> together unless I really had to anyway... I don't think we have any ePMP
> sectors with less than about 3' feet of separation.

> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Brandon Yuchasz < 
> li...@gogebicrange.net >
> wrote:

>> I am coming from FSK mostly and a little 450 so forgive my ignorance. 
>> With FSK
>> we still needed 3 wavelengths ( 3 feet ) of separation horizontally in 
>> 900mhz
>> to keep from self-interfering even with GPS. 3 wavelengths in 2.4 is a 
>> little
>> more than 14 inches. Are you installing antennas close to each other 
>> than that
>> and finding the GPS deals with it fine? Ideally I would install two 
>> antennas to
>> a pipe using some brackets to stand the antennas off the tower leg. Those
>> antennas are going to be awful close to each other.

>> Best regards,

>> Brandon Yuchasz

>> GogebicRange.net

>> www.gogebicrange.net

>> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:59 AM
>> To: af
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on 
>> a rohn
>> 45/

>> Even if you only do two sectors, you still want to do GPS, as that will 
>> take
>> care of the self interference problem.

>> If you can cover all the customers with two 90 degrees, you could just 
>> put those
>> up initially and you can always add the other two later on, if you have 
>> the
>> need... or you could do two 120's and add a third later on (doing ABC) - 
>> but
>> you still need to go with GPS radios.

>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Brandon Yuchasz < 
>> li...@gogebicrange.net >
>> wrote:

>> I assume you ran this way with some separation on channels? For example 
>> used 1
>> and 11? I am looking at this as a way to off load line of site and near 
>> line of
>> site 900mhz fsk. We are deploying the 450i 900 as well but anyone I can 
>> move to
>> 2.4 will save me throughput on the 450i not to mention be cheaper to 
>> convert.

>> Best regards,

>> Brandon Yuchasz

>> GogebicRange.net

>> www.gogebicrange.net

>> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:48 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on 
>> a rohn
>> 45/

>> 4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS

>> Not even a question to be honest.

>> Josh Luthman
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

[Ken Hohhof]

I think even here in the US, square holes and M6 cage nuts and screws are 
pretty much standard.  At least in data centers.  Telco might still use 12-24.

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

I've seen lots of M6 in the stuff from China, and of course 12-24 and 10-32 
from US sources...  But never M5.


On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Rack screw can be 10-32, 12-24, M5, M6.  And rack rail can be threaded, round 
hole, square hole.  Too many options.

  -Original Message- From: Cassidy B. Larson
  Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:24 PM 

  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

  I know on Cisco switches you could turn the ears around and the holes would 
line up so you’d get more switch in front of the rails.



On Mar 29, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:

That's a good idea.

If there are not holes, is there a small screw type that is short and 
self-tapping?

Not sure the best way to mount the ears if the holes for the ears don't 
exist on the switch.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

Add mounting ears farther back on the switch.

-Original Message-
From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:57 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

This is really specific; don't ask why I need it :)

But I need a standard rack threaded screw that looks like a 6 to 7 inch 
long motherboard standoff screw.

So it would stand a 1U switch forward from the 19" rack about 6-7 inches.

I tried standard rack standoff modules, but the space is too limiting.

Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn 45/

[Josh Reynolds]

Still perfect for high density short range micropops on new gen TX/RX
filtering radio designs ;)
On Mar 29, 2016 10:48 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> The wider beam horns are pretty low gain though...  the 90 degree is only
> 10dbi
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh they made new ones?! Awesome news. I was so bummed out talking to JT
>> about their freq range awhile back. I'm glad they redesigned them.
>> On Mar 29, 2016 10:42 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> They have a full range... 30/40/50/60/70/80/90...
>>>
>>> Just need to make sure you get the newer stuff that supports the full
>>> 5.x range...
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:43:47 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors
>>> on arohn 45/
>>>
>>> The widest is 65* or so, though.  That's a lot more expensive for
>>> someone debating two or four radios.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Mar 29, 2016 9:42 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 ... One can always look at something like the Rf Elements Simper
 Horn antennas... Stacking them close to each other on the mast would not be
 an issue with them

 :)

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 --

 *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
 *To: *"af" 
 *Sent: *Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:16:04 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors
 on arohn 45/

 We're only doing 5ghz ePMP at this point, but I wouldn't put APs that
 close together unless I really had to anyway... I don't think we have any
 ePMP sectors with less than about 3' feet of separation.

 On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Brandon Yuchasz <
 li...@gogebicrange.net> wrote:

> I am coming from FSK mostly and a little 450 so forgive my ignorance.
> With FSK we still needed 3 wavelengths ( 3 feet )  of separation
> horizontally in 900mhz to keep from self-interfering even with GPS. 3
> wavelengths in 2.4 is a little more than 14 inches. Are you installing
> antennas close to each other than that and finding the GPS deals with it
> fine?  Ideally I would install two antennas to a pipe using some brackets
> to stand the antennas off the tower leg. Those antennas are going to be
> awful close to each other.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:59 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp
> sectors on a rohn 45/
>
>
>
> Even if you only do two sectors, you still want to do GPS, as that
> will take care of the self interference problem.
>
> If you can cover all the customers with two 90 degrees, you could just
> put those up initially and you can always add the other two later on, if
> you have the need... or you could do two 120's and add a third later on
> (doing ABC) - but you still need to go with GPS radios.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Brandon Yuchasz <
> li...@gogebicrange.net> wrote:
>
> I assume you ran this way with some separation on channels? For
> example used 1 and 11?  I am looking at this as a way to off load line of
> site and near line of site 900mhz fsk. We are deploying the 450i 900 as
> well but anyone I can move to 2.4 will save me throughput on the 450i not
> to mention be cheaper to convert.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp
> sectors on a rohn 45/
>
>
>
> 4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS
>
>
>
> Not even a question to be honest.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> 

Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn 45/

[Mathew Howard]

The wider beam horns are pretty low gain though...  the 90 degree is only
10dbi

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> Oh they made new ones?! Awesome news. I was so bummed out talking to JT
> about their freq range awhile back. I'm glad they redesigned them.
> On Mar 29, 2016 10:42 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> wrote:
>
>> They have a full range... 30/40/50/60/70/80/90...
>>
>> Just need to make sure you get the newer stuff that supports the full 5.x
>> range...
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:43:47 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors
>> on arohn 45/
>>
>> The widest is 65* or so, though.  That's a lot more expensive for someone
>> debating two or four radios.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Mar 29, 2016 9:42 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ... One can always look at something like the Rf Elements Simper
>>> Horn antennas... Stacking them close to each other on the mast would not be
>>> an issue with them
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
>>> *To: *"af" 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:16:04 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors
>>> on arohn 45/
>>>
>>> We're only doing 5ghz ePMP at this point, but I wouldn't put APs that
>>> close together unless I really had to anyway... I don't think we have any
>>> ePMP sectors with less than about 3' feet of separation.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Brandon Yuchasz <
>>> li...@gogebicrange.net> wrote:
>>>
 I am coming from FSK mostly and a little 450 so forgive my ignorance.
 With FSK we still needed 3 wavelengths ( 3 feet )  of separation
 horizontally in 900mhz to keep from self-interfering even with GPS. 3
 wavelengths in 2.4 is a little more than 14 inches. Are you installing
 antennas close to each other than that and finding the GPS deals with it
 fine?  Ideally I would install two antennas to a pipe using some brackets
 to stand the antennas off the tower leg. Those antennas are going to be
 awful close to each other.





 Best regards,

 Brandon Yuchasz

 GogebicRange.net

 www.gogebicrange.net



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:59 AM
 *To:* af
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors
 on a rohn 45/



 Even if you only do two sectors, you still want to do GPS, as that will
 take care of the self interference problem.

 If you can cover all the customers with two 90 degrees, you could just
 put those up initially and you can always add the other two later on, if
 you have the need... or you could do two 120's and add a third later on
 (doing ABC) - but you still need to go with GPS radios.



 On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Brandon Yuchasz <
 li...@gogebicrange.net> wrote:

 I assume you ran this way with some separation on channels? For example
 used 1 and 11?  I am looking at this as a way to off load line of site and
 near line of site 900mhz fsk. We are deploying the 450i 900 as well but
 anyone I can move to 2.4 will save me throughput on the 450i not to mention
 be cheaper to convert.



 Best regards,

 Brandon Yuchasz

 GogebicRange.net

 www.gogebicrange.net



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:48 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors
 on a rohn 45/



 4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS



 Not even a question to be honest.




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Brandon Yuchasz <
 li...@gogebicrange.net> wrote:

 Just looking for everyone’s experience mounting on Rohn 45 towers. We
 are looking to mount KP sectors on a tower site and want to 

Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn 45/

[Josh Luthman]

Still talking horns?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 29, 2016 11:42 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> They have a full range... 30/40/50/60/70/80/90...
>
> Just need to make sure you get the newer stuff that supports the full 5.x
> range...
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:43:47 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on
> arohn 45/
>
> The widest is 65* or so, though.  That's a lot more expensive for someone
> debating two or four radios.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Mar 29, 2016 9:42 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>
>> ... One can always look at something like the Rf Elements Simper Horn
>> antennas... Stacking them close to each other on the mast would not be an
>> issue with them
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:16:04 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors
>> on arohn 45/
>>
>> We're only doing 5ghz ePMP at this point, but I wouldn't put APs that
>> close together unless I really had to anyway... I don't think we have any
>> ePMP sectors with less than about 3' feet of separation.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Brandon Yuchasz > > wrote:
>>
>>> I am coming from FSK mostly and a little 450 so forgive my ignorance.
>>> With FSK we still needed 3 wavelengths ( 3 feet )  of separation
>>> horizontally in 900mhz to keep from self-interfering even with GPS. 3
>>> wavelengths in 2.4 is a little more than 14 inches. Are you installing
>>> antennas close to each other than that and finding the GPS deals with it
>>> fine?  Ideally I would install two antennas to a pipe using some brackets
>>> to stand the antennas off the tower leg. Those antennas are going to be
>>> awful close to each other.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Brandon Yuchasz
>>>
>>> GogebicRange.net
>>>
>>> www.gogebicrange.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:59 AM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors
>>> on a rohn 45/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Even if you only do two sectors, you still want to do GPS, as that will
>>> take care of the self interference problem.
>>>
>>> If you can cover all the customers with two 90 degrees, you could just
>>> put those up initially and you can always add the other two later on, if
>>> you have the need... or you could do two 120's and add a third later on
>>> (doing ABC) - but you still need to go with GPS radios.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I assume you ran this way with some separation on channels? For example
>>> used 1 and 11?  I am looking at this as a way to off load line of site and
>>> near line of site 900mhz fsk. We are deploying the 450i 900 as well but
>>> anyone I can move to 2.4 will save me throughput on the 450i not to mention
>>> be cheaper to convert.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Brandon Yuchasz
>>>
>>> GogebicRange.net
>>>
>>> www.gogebicrange.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:48 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors
>>> on a rohn 45/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not even a question to be honest.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Brandon Yuchasz <
>>> li...@gogebicrange.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just looking for everyone’s experience mounting on Rohn 45 towers. We
>>> are looking to mount KP sectors on a tower site and want to make sure we
>>> have enough separation between the antennas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am considering a few options at this site.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2 90 degree antennas running AB with no GPS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2 120 degree antennas running AB with no GPS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Right now 180 degrees of coverage 

Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn 45/

[Josh Reynolds]

Oh they made new ones?! Awesome news. I was so bummed out talking to JT
about their freq range awhile back. I'm glad they redesigned them.
On Mar 29, 2016 10:42 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> They have a full range... 30/40/50/60/70/80/90...
>
> Just need to make sure you get the newer stuff that supports the full 5.x
> range...
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:43:47 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on
> arohn 45/
>
> The widest is 65* or so, though.  That's a lot more expensive for someone
> debating two or four radios.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Mar 29, 2016 9:42 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>
>> ... One can always look at something like the Rf Elements Simper Horn
>> antennas... Stacking them close to each other on the mast would not be an
>> issue with them
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:16:04 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors
>> on arohn 45/
>>
>> We're only doing 5ghz ePMP at this point, but I wouldn't put APs that
>> close together unless I really had to anyway... I don't think we have any
>> ePMP sectors with less than about 3' feet of separation.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Brandon Yuchasz > > wrote:
>>
>>> I am coming from FSK mostly and a little 450 so forgive my ignorance.
>>> With FSK we still needed 3 wavelengths ( 3 feet )  of separation
>>> horizontally in 900mhz to keep from self-interfering even with GPS. 3
>>> wavelengths in 2.4 is a little more than 14 inches. Are you installing
>>> antennas close to each other than that and finding the GPS deals with it
>>> fine?  Ideally I would install two antennas to a pipe using some brackets
>>> to stand the antennas off the tower leg. Those antennas are going to be
>>> awful close to each other.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Brandon Yuchasz
>>>
>>> GogebicRange.net
>>>
>>> www.gogebicrange.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:59 AM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors
>>> on a rohn 45/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Even if you only do two sectors, you still want to do GPS, as that will
>>> take care of the self interference problem.
>>>
>>> If you can cover all the customers with two 90 degrees, you could just
>>> put those up initially and you can always add the other two later on, if
>>> you have the need... or you could do two 120's and add a third later on
>>> (doing ABC) - but you still need to go with GPS radios.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I assume you ran this way with some separation on channels? For example
>>> used 1 and 11?  I am looking at this as a way to off load line of site and
>>> near line of site 900mhz fsk. We are deploying the 450i 900 as well but
>>> anyone I can move to 2.4 will save me throughput on the 450i not to mention
>>> be cheaper to convert.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Brandon Yuchasz
>>>
>>> GogebicRange.net
>>>
>>> www.gogebicrange.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:48 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors
>>> on a rohn 45/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not even a question to be honest.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Brandon Yuchasz <
>>> li...@gogebicrange.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just looking for everyone’s experience mounting on Rohn 45 towers. We
>>> are looking to mount KP sectors on a tower site and want to make sure we
>>> have enough separation between the antennas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am considering a few options at this site.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2 90 degree antennas running AB with no GPS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2 120 degree antennas running AB with no GPS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Right now 

Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn 45/

[Faisal Imtiaz]

They have a full range... 30/40/50/60/70/80/90... 

Just need to make sure you get the newer stuff that supports the full 5.x 
range... 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:43:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn
> 45/

> The widest is 65* or so, though. That's a lot more expensive for someone
> debating two or four radios.

> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Mar 29, 2016 9:42 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote:

>> ... One can always look at something like the Rf Elements Simper Horn
>> antennas... Stacking them close to each other on the mast would not be an 
>> issue
>> with them

>> :)

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Mathew Howard" < mhoward...@gmail.com >
>>> To: "af" < af@afmug.com >
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:16:04 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a 
>>> rohn
>>> 45/

>>> We're only doing 5ghz ePMP at this point, but I wouldn't put APs that close
>>> together unless I really had to anyway... I don't think we have any ePMP
>>> sectors with less than about 3' feet of separation.

>>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Brandon Yuchasz < li...@gogebicrange.net >
>>> wrote:

 I am coming from FSK mostly and a little 450 so forgive my ignorance. With 
 FSK
 we still needed 3 wavelengths ( 3 feet ) of separation horizontally in 
 900mhz
 to keep from self-interfering even with GPS. 3 wavelengths in 2.4 is a 
 little
 more than 14 inches. Are you installing antennas close to each other than 
 that
 and finding the GPS deals with it fine? Ideally I would install two 
 antennas to
 a pipe using some brackets to stand the antennas off the tower leg. Those
 antennas are going to be awful close to each other.

 Best regards,

 Brandon Yuchasz

 GogebicRange.net

 www.gogebicrange.net

 From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
 Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:59 AM
 To: af
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a 
 rohn
 45/

 Even if you only do two sectors, you still want to do GPS, as that will 
 take
 care of the self interference problem.

 If you can cover all the customers with two 90 degrees, you could just put 
 those
 up initially and you can always add the other two later on, if you have the
 need... or you could do two 120's and add a third later on (doing ABC) - 
 but
 you still need to go with GPS radios.

 On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Brandon Yuchasz < li...@gogebicrange.net >
 wrote:

 I assume you ran this way with some separation on channels? For example 
 used 1
 and 11? I am looking at this as a way to off load line of site and near 
 line of
 site 900mhz fsk. We are deploying the 450i 900 as well but anyone I can 
 move to
 2.4 will save me throughput on the 450i not to mention be cheaper to 
 convert.

 Best regards,

 Brandon Yuchasz

 GogebicRange.net

 www.gogebicrange.net

 From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:48 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a 
 rohn
 45/

 4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS

 Not even a question to be honest.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Brandon Yuchasz < li...@gogebicrange.net 
 >
 wrote:

 Just looking for everyone’s experience mounting on Rohn 45 towers. We are
 looking to mount KP sectors on a tower site and want to make sure we have
 enough separation between the antennas.

 I am considering a few options at this site.

 4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS

 2 90 degree antennas running AB with no GPS

 2 120 degree antennas running AB with no GPS

 Right now 180 degrees of coverage just about all customers so 4 antennas 
 is not
 required if we go that route it would be more for future needs than 
 anything
 else.

 Just wondering what configurations you all have used in the past for 
 situations
 like this and what mounting hardware / stand offs? Anyone just mount two
 antennas right on the tower legs? If so did you have any 

Re: [AFMUG] Spam:******, Re: New One - 450 AP Issue

[Bill Prince]

Obviousman

bp


On 3/29/2016 12:12 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc wrote:


LOL.  Ok Mr. Obvious.

*Tyson Burris, President**
**Internet Communications Inc.**
**739 Commerce Dr.**
**Franklin, IN 46131**
***
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ICI

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*Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones 
- IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.*

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*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 3:09 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Spam:**, Re: [AFMUG] New One - 450 AP Issue

Just go replace the 430s with 450s, sheesh, do I have to think of 
everything.


*From:*mailto:t...@franklinisp.net

*Sent:*Tuesday, March 29, 2016 1:07 PM

*To:*memb...@wispa.org  ; af@afmug.com 



*Subject:*[AFMUG] New One - 450 AP Issue

Ok Geeks,

Just had a single 450 AP drop all it’s 430 Interop. SM’s over the past 
24 Hrs.  Tired of repeating myself a dozen times over and over again 
with Cambium support.  It’s very simple.   If you can solve it great.


-AP has been working with 13.4 for 6+ months (actually really well)

- All 450 sessions are still up

- All 430 sessions are down and won’t reconnect

- 430 SM’s will connect to other 450 AP’s normally

- Power cycled AP.  Unplugged it.  Factory default and programmed.  
Different FW.  Different power source. etc.


- Same result.  I say replace and RAM.  Support says no, send the CNUT 
capture.


Have not seen it before.  New one for me. Cheers!

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**Internet Communications Inc.**
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***
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- IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.*

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Re: [AFMUG] POE + standard

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Just be aware there are very limited options for getting sync into a 450i
if you don't use sync over the power port.
On Mar 29, 2016 1:22 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:

> the 450i does
>
> the 450 is the "old canopy" standard.
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> Does Cambium’s new 450 gear (APs) support POE +  ?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 1:56 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] POE + standard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it possible to get a device not specifically designed for a POE +
>> injector to work off that?   I have tried a device (namely a 320AP with the
>> pin 4 and 8 swapped to provide the proper + -   on 4, 5 and +- on 7,8) and
>> the POE device (actually an edgepoint S16) doesn’t seem to react to it.  I
>> know the cable is good (tested using another method).  When you pick POE+
>> within the Edgepoint, no indicator lights come on on the Edgepoint (unlike
>> any the other POE settings which have indicator lights active to show the
>> appropriate power activation).
>>
>>
>>
>> Hoping to make this work somehow
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul, PDMNet
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

[Chuck McCown]

There are lots of self tapping machine screws of every size.  Home Depot 
should have them.  Just drill the proper size hole and the screw does the 
rest.  Metal shaving inside the case is a concern.


-Original Message- 
From: Sterling Jacobson

Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

That's a good idea.

If there are not holes, is there a small screw type that is short and 
self-tapping?


Not sure the best way to mount the ears if the holes for the ears don't 
exist on the switch.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

Add mounting ears farther back on the switch.

-Original Message-
From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:57 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

This is really specific; don't ask why I need it :)

But I need a standard rack threaded screw that looks like a 6 to 7 inch long 
motherboard standoff screw.


So it would stand a 1U switch forward from the 19" rack about 6-7 inches.

I tried standard rack standoff modules, but the space is too limiting.

Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

[Sterling Jacobson]

Threaded, the thinner barrel closer together threads.

Probably a 10-32.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

Rack screw can be 10-32, 12-24, M5, M6.  And rack rail can be threaded, round 
hole, square hole.  Too many options.

-Original Message-
From: Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

I know on Cisco switches you could turn the ears around and the holes would 
line up so you’d get more switch in front of the rails.


> On Mar 29, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Sterling Jacobson  
> wrote:
>
> That's a good idea.
>
> If there are not holes, is there a small screw type that is short and 
> self-tapping?
>
> Not sure the best way to mount the ears if the holes for the ears don't 
> exist on the switch.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:10 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw
>
> Add mounting ears farther back on the switch.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:57 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com'
> Subject: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw
>
> This is really specific; don't ask why I need it :)
>
> But I need a standard rack threaded screw that looks like a 6 to 7 inch 
> long motherboard standoff screw.
>
> So it would stand a 1U switch forward from the 19" rack about 6-7 inches.
>
> I tried standard rack standoff modules, but the space is too limiting.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

[Eric Kuhnke]

I've seen lots of M6 in the stuff from China, and of course 12-24 and 10-32
from US sources...  But never M5.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Rack screw can be 10-32, 12-24, M5, M6.  And rack rail can be threaded,
> round hole, square hole.  Too many options.
>
> -Original Message- From: Cassidy B. Larson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:24 PM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw
>
> I know on Cisco switches you could turn the ears around and the holes
> would line up so you’d get more switch in front of the rails.
>
>
> On Mar 29, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> That's a good idea.
>>
>> If there are not holes, is there a small screw type that is short and
>> self-tapping?
>>
>> Not sure the best way to mount the ears if the holes for the ears don't
>> exist on the switch.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:10 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw
>>
>> Add mounting ears farther back on the switch.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Sterling Jacobson
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:57 PM
>> To: 'af@afmug.com'
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw
>>
>> This is really specific; don't ask why I need it :)
>>
>> But I need a standard rack threaded screw that looks like a 6 to 7 inch
>> long motherboard standoff screw.
>>
>> So it would stand a 1U switch forward from the 19" rack about 6-7 inches.
>>
>> I tried standard rack standoff modules, but the space is too limiting.
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

[Ken Hohhof]

Rack screw can be 10-32, 12-24, M5, M6.  And rack rail can be threaded, 
round hole, square hole.  Too many options.


-Original Message- 
From: Cassidy B. Larson

Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

I know on Cisco switches you could turn the ears around and the holes would 
line up so you’d get more switch in front of the rails.



On Mar 29, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Sterling Jacobson  
wrote:


That's a good idea.

If there are not holes, is there a small screw type that is short and 
self-tapping?


Not sure the best way to mount the ears if the holes for the ears don't 
exist on the switch.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

Add mounting ears farther back on the switch.

-Original Message-
From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:57 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

This is really specific; don't ask why I need it :)

But I need a standard rack threaded screw that looks like a 6 to 7 inch 
long motherboard standoff screw.


So it would stand a 1U switch forward from the 19" rack about 6-7 inches.

I tried standard rack standoff modules, but the space is too limiting.

Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

[Jeremy]

I have used the existing ear screws before and just drilled holes with a
drill bit that were just slightly smaller.  I was able to get them to
thread with just a bit of pressure.  Just need to be careful that you don't
drill through the motherboard or any other components.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 8:27 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I need like 6-7 inches of that.
>
> I know some devices have that far a setback on their mounting system, but
> I don't think these do.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:25 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw
>
> I know on Cisco switches you could turn the ears around and the holes
> would line up so you’d get more switch in front of the rails.
>
>
> > On Mar 29, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
> >
> > That's a good idea.
> >
> > If there are not holes, is there a small screw type that is short and
> self-tapping?
> >
> > Not sure the best way to mount the ears if the holes for the ears don't
> exist on the switch.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:10 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw
> >
> > Add mounting ears farther back on the switch.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sterling Jacobson
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:57 PM
> > To: 'af@afmug.com'
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw
> >
> > This is really specific; don't ask why I need it :)
> >
> > But I need a standard rack threaded screw that looks like a 6 to 7 inch
> long motherboard standoff screw.
> >
> > So it would stand a 1U switch forward from the 19" rack about 6-7 inches.
> >
> > I tried standard rack standoff modules, but the space is too limiting.
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

[Sterling Jacobson]

I need like 6-7 inches of that.

I know some devices have that far a setback on their mounting system, but I 
don't think these do.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

I know on Cisco switches you could turn the ears around and the holes would 
line up so you’d get more switch in front of the rails.


> On Mar 29, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> That's a good idea.
> 
> If there are not holes, is there a small screw type that is short and 
> self-tapping?
> 
> Not sure the best way to mount the ears if the holes for the ears don't exist 
> on the switch.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:10 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw
> 
> Add mounting ears farther back on the switch.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:57 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com'
> Subject: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw
> 
> This is really specific; don't ask why I need it :)
> 
> But I need a standard rack threaded screw that looks like a 6 to 7 inch long 
> motherboard standoff screw.
> 
> So it would stand a 1U switch forward from the 19" rack about 6-7 inches.
> 
> I tried standard rack standoff modules, but the space is too limiting.
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

[Cassidy B. Larson]

I know on Cisco switches you could turn the ears around and the holes would 
line up so you’d get more switch in front of the rails.


> On Mar 29, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> That's a good idea.
> 
> If there are not holes, is there a small screw type that is short and 
> self-tapping?
> 
> Not sure the best way to mount the ears if the holes for the ears don't exist 
> on the switch.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:10 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw
> 
> Add mounting ears farther back on the switch.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:57 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com'
> Subject: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw
> 
> This is really specific; don't ask why I need it :)
> 
> But I need a standard rack threaded screw that looks like a 6 to 7 inch long 
> motherboard standoff screw.
> 
> So it would stand a 1U switch forward from the 19" rack about 6-7 inches.
> 
> I tried standard rack standoff modules, but the space is too limiting.
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Telescoping mast with gimbel

[Jaime Solorza]

The gimbal is controlled by raspberry pi and tiny PLC... 12 vdc 5Amps
battery and some conversion to 5vdc...my lil bro works for Raytheon... he
is  EE and ME... actually not the smartest one in family... my youngest
sister has real high IQ but only likes to readreally good at math but
its boring for her...I wish I had their brains.
On Mar 29, 2016 8:18 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> The footpads remind me of something from Lost in Space.   He uses those
> tent spikes to secure when winds pick up.  Mine will have bigger pads...and
> go up much higher.
> On Mar 29, 2016 8:08 PM, "Ty Featherling"  wrote:
>
>> Very cool.
>>
>> -Ty
>> On Mar 29, 2016 8:33 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 29, 2016 7:32 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 My brother designed this for filming his daughters soccer games...the
 camera can be moved via remote control and viewed on tablet.  Anyways my
 cousin did the machining.  This one breaks down to 4 feet and fits in a
 pouch for easy carrying and fits in small car trunks.   He is making me one
 for site surveys

>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

[Mike Hammett]

Tap and die set? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Sterling Jacobson"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:22:47 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw 

That's a good idea. 

If there are not holes, is there a small screw type that is short and 
self-tapping? 

Not sure the best way to mount the ears if the holes for the ears don't exist 
on the switch. 

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:10 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw 

Add mounting ears farther back on the switch. 

-Original Message- 
From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:57 PM 
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw 

This is really specific; don't ask why I need it :) 

But I need a standard rack threaded screw that looks like a 6 to 7 inch long 
motherboard standoff screw. 

So it would stand a 1U switch forward from the 19" rack about 6-7 inches. 

I tried standard rack standoff modules, but the space is too limiting. 

Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

[Sterling Jacobson]

That's a good idea.

If there are not holes, is there a small screw type that is short and 
self-tapping?

Not sure the best way to mount the ears if the holes for the ears don't exist 
on the switch.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

Add mounting ears farther back on the switch.

-Original Message-
From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:57 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

This is really specific; don't ask why I need it :)

But I need a standard rack threaded screw that looks like a 6 to 7 inch long 
motherboard standoff screw.

So it would stand a 1U switch forward from the 19" rack about 6-7 inches.

I tried standard rack standoff modules, but the space is too limiting.

Re: [AFMUG] Wisper Contact

[Jason McKemie]

Thanks guys. I've gotten a hold of someone via Facebook. Should be able to
get it ironed out from here.

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016, Jason McKemie 
wrote:

> Anyone have an after hours contact at Wisper? I'm needing to get a hold of
> someone over there ASAP. Thanks.

Re: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

[Chuck McCown]

Add mounting ears farther back on the switch.

-Original Message- 
From: Sterling Jacobson

Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:57 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] Super long rack screw

This is really specific; don't ask why I need it :)

But I need a standard rack threaded screw that looks like a 6 to 7 inch long 
motherboard standoff screw.


So it would stand a 1U switch forward from the 19" rack about 6-7 inches.

I tried standard rack standoff modules, but the space is too limiting.

Re: [AFMUG] Telescoping mast with gimbel

[Ty Featherling]

Very cool.

-Ty
On Mar 29, 2016 8:33 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> On Mar 29, 2016 7:32 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> My brother designed this for filming his daughters soccer games...the
>> camera can be moved via remote control and viewed on tablet.  Anyways my
>> cousin did the machining.  This one breaks down to 4 feet and fits in a
>> pouch for easy carrying and fits in small car trunks.   He is making me one
>> for site surveys
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wisper Contact

[Mike Hammett]

They are pretty active on social media. 

I did send Jason the contact information I had for Nathan and their CTO. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Colin Stanners"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:57:01 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wisper Contact 


Maybe try a tweet in case someone has it on their phone? 
https://mobile.twitter.com/wisperisp 
On Mar 29, 2016 8:48 PM, "Jason McKemie" < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > 
wrote: 


Anyone have an after hours contact at Wisper? I'm needing to get a hold of 
someone over there ASAP. Thanks. 

[AFMUG] Super long rack screw

[Sterling Jacobson]

This is really specific; don't ask why I need it :)

But I need a standard rack threaded screw that looks like a 6 to 7 inch long 
motherboard standoff screw.

So it would stand a 1U switch forward from the 19" rack about 6-7 inches.

I tried standard rack standoff modules, but the space is too limiting.

Re: [AFMUG] Wisper Contact

[Colin Stanners]

Maybe try a tweet in case someone has it on their phone?
https://mobile.twitter.com/wisperisp
On Mar 29, 2016 8:48 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> Anyone have an after hours contact at Wisper? I'm needing to get a hold of
> someone over there ASAP. Thanks.

[AFMUG] Wisper Contact

[Jason McKemie]

Anyone have an after hours contact at Wisper? I'm needing to get a hold of
someone over there ASAP. Thanks.

Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn 45/

[Josh Luthman]

The widest is 65* or so, though.  That's a lot more expensive for someone
debating two or four radios.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 29, 2016 9:42 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> ... One can always look at something like the Rf Elements Simper Horn
> antennas... Stacking them close to each other on the mast would not be an
> issue with them
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:16:04 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on
> arohn 45/
>
> We're only doing 5ghz ePMP at this point, but I wouldn't put APs that
> close together unless I really had to anyway... I don't think we have any
> ePMP sectors with less than about 3' feet of separation.
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
>
>> I am coming from FSK mostly and a little 450 so forgive my ignorance.
>> With FSK we still needed 3 wavelengths ( 3 feet )  of separation
>> horizontally in 900mhz to keep from self-interfering even with GPS. 3
>> wavelengths in 2.4 is a little more than 14 inches. Are you installing
>> antennas close to each other than that and finding the GPS deals with it
>> fine?  Ideally I would install two antennas to a pipe using some brackets
>> to stand the antennas off the tower leg. Those antennas are going to be
>> awful close to each other.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Brandon Yuchasz
>>
>> GogebicRange.net
>>
>> www.gogebicrange.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:59 AM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors
>> on a rohn 45/
>>
>>
>>
>> Even if you only do two sectors, you still want to do GPS, as that will
>> take care of the self interference problem.
>>
>> If you can cover all the customers with two 90 degrees, you could just
>> put those up initially and you can always add the other two later on, if
>> you have the need... or you could do two 120's and add a third later on
>> (doing ABC) - but you still need to go with GPS radios.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I assume you ran this way with some separation on channels? For example
>> used 1 and 11?  I am looking at this as a way to off load line of site and
>> near line of site 900mhz fsk. We are deploying the 450i 900 as well but
>> anyone I can move to 2.4 will save me throughput on the 450i not to mention
>> be cheaper to convert.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Brandon Yuchasz
>>
>> GogebicRange.net
>>
>> www.gogebicrange.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:48 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors
>> on a rohn 45/
>>
>>
>>
>> 4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS
>>
>>
>>
>> Not even a question to be honest.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Just looking for everyone’s experience mounting on Rohn 45 towers. We are
>> looking to mount KP sectors on a tower site and want to make sure we have
>> enough separation between the antennas.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am considering a few options at this site.
>>
>>
>>
>> 4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS
>>
>>
>>
>> 2 90 degree antennas running AB with no GPS
>>
>>
>>
>> 2 120 degree antennas running AB with no GPS
>>
>>
>>
>> Right now 180 degrees of coverage just about all customers so 4 antennas
>> is not required if we go that route it would be more for future needs than
>> anything else.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just wondering what configurations you all have used in the past for
>> situations like this and what mounting hardware / stand offs? Anyone just
>> mount two antennas right on the tower legs? If so did you have any
>> self-interference that close together? We have not deployed the epmp line
>> except single sectors at this point.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Brandon Yuchasz
>>
>> GogebicRange.net
>>
>> www.gogebicrange.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn 45/

[Faisal Imtiaz]

... One can always look at something like the Rf Elements Simper Horn 
antennas... Stacking them close to each other on the mast would not be an issue 
with them 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Mathew Howard" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:16:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn
> 45/

> We're only doing 5ghz ePMP at this point, but I wouldn't put APs that close
> together unless I really had to anyway... I don't think we have any ePMP
> sectors with less than about 3' feet of separation.

> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Brandon Yuchasz < li...@gogebicrange.net >
> wrote:

>> I am coming from FSK mostly and a little 450 so forgive my ignorance. With 
>> FSK
>> we still needed 3 wavelengths ( 3 feet ) of separation horizontally in 900mhz
>> to keep from self-interfering even with GPS. 3 wavelengths in 2.4 is a little
>> more than 14 inches. Are you installing antennas close to each other than 
>> that
>> and finding the GPS deals with it fine? Ideally I would install two antennas 
>> to
>> a pipe using some brackets to stand the antennas off the tower leg. Those
>> antennas are going to be awful close to each other.

>> Best regards,

>> Brandon Yuchasz

>> GogebicRange.net

>> www.gogebicrange.net

>> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:59 AM
>> To: af
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a 
>> rohn
>> 45/

>> Even if you only do two sectors, you still want to do GPS, as that will take
>> care of the self interference problem.

>> If you can cover all the customers with two 90 degrees, you could just put 
>> those
>> up initially and you can always add the other two later on, if you have the
>> need... or you could do two 120's and add a third later on (doing ABC) - but
>> you still need to go with GPS radios.

>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Brandon Yuchasz < li...@gogebicrange.net >
>> wrote:

>> I assume you ran this way with some separation on channels? For example used 
>> 1
>> and 11? I am looking at this as a way to off load line of site and near line 
>> of
>> site 900mhz fsk. We are deploying the 450i 900 as well but anyone I can move 
>> to
>> 2.4 will save me throughput on the 450i not to mention be cheaper to convert.

>> Best regards,

>> Brandon Yuchasz

>> GogebicRange.net

>> www.gogebicrange.net

>> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:48 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a 
>> rohn
>> 45/

>> 4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS

>> Not even a question to be honest.

>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373

>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Brandon Yuchasz < li...@gogebicrange.net >
>> wrote:

>> Just looking for everyone’s experience mounting on Rohn 45 towers. We are
>> looking to mount KP sectors on a tower site and want to make sure we have
>> enough separation between the antennas.

>> I am considering a few options at this site.

>> 4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS

>> 2 90 degree antennas running AB with no GPS

>> 2 120 degree antennas running AB with no GPS

>> Right now 180 degrees of coverage just about all customers so 4 antennas is 
>> not
>> required if we go that route it would be more for future needs than anything
>> else.

>> Just wondering what configurations you all have used in the past for 
>> situations
>> like this and what mounting hardware / stand offs? Anyone just mount two
>> antennas right on the tower legs? If so did you have any self-interference 
>> that
>> close together? We have not deployed the epmp line except single sectors at
>> this point.

>> Best regards,

>> Brandon Yuchasz

>> GogebicRange.net

>> www.gogebicrange.net

[AFMUG] Telescoping mast with gimbel

[Jaime Solorza]

My brother designed this for filming his daughters soccer games...the
camera can be moved via remote control and viewed on tablet.  Anyways my
cousin did the machining.  This one breaks down to 4 feet and fits in a
pouch for easy carrying and fits in small car trunks.   He is making me one
for site surveys

Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn 45/

[Mathew Howard]

We're only doing 5ghz ePMP at this point, but I wouldn't put APs that close
together unless I really had to anyway... I don't think we have any ePMP
sectors with less than about 3' feet of separation.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> I am coming from FSK mostly and a little 450 so forgive my ignorance. With
> FSK we still needed 3 wavelengths ( 3 feet )  of separation horizontally in
> 900mhz to keep from self-interfering even with GPS. 3 wavelengths in 2.4 is
> a little more than 14 inches. Are you installing antennas close to each
> other than that and finding the GPS deals with it fine?  Ideally I would
> install two antennas to a pipe using some brackets to stand the antennas
> off the tower leg. Those antennas are going to be awful close to each other.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:59 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on
> a rohn 45/
>
>
>
> Even if you only do two sectors, you still want to do GPS, as that will
> take care of the self interference problem.
>
> If you can cover all the customers with two 90 degrees, you could just put
> those up initially and you can always add the other two later on, if you
> have the need... or you could do two 120's and add a third later on (doing
> ABC) - but you still need to go with GPS radios.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
>
> I assume you ran this way with some separation on channels? For example
> used 1 and 11?  I am looking at this as a way to off load line of site and
> near line of site 900mhz fsk. We are deploying the 450i 900 as well but
> anyone I can move to 2.4 will save me throughput on the 450i not to mention
> be cheaper to convert.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on
> a rohn 45/
>
>
>
> 4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS
>
>
>
> Not even a question to be honest.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
>
> Just looking for everyone’s experience mounting on Rohn 45 towers. We are
> looking to mount KP sectors on a tower site and want to make sure we have
> enough separation between the antennas.
>
>
>
> I am considering a few options at this site.
>
>
>
> 4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS
>
>
>
> 2 90 degree antennas running AB with no GPS
>
>
>
> 2 120 degree antennas running AB with no GPS
>
>
>
> Right now 180 degrees of coverage just about all customers so 4 antennas
> is not required if we go that route it would be more for future needs than
> anything else.
>
>
>
> Just wondering what configurations you all have used in the past for
> situations like this and what mounting hardware / stand offs? Anyone just
> mount two antennas right on the tower legs? If so did you have any
> self-interference that close together? We have not deployed the epmp line
> except single sectors at this point.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?

[Mike Hammett]

I don't think this stuff is mutually exclusive. Why can't it be 300 megabit at 
QPSK and 250 MHz when conditions suck and 10 gigabit at 256 QAM at 2 GHz when 
conditions are good? I didn't spend the time to actually do the math to see if 
those numbers work out. It's not terribly different than most of our 
manufacturers so far in quoting the best of all scenarios. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Eric Kuhnke"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:57:53 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio? 




The thing about the last page is that it doesn't jive with the radio being 10 
Gbps capable. They're listing distances with 60cm antenna and QPSK 
modulation/250 MHz wide channel, which will result in throughput of maybe... 
300 Mbps? 

QPSK + 1 GHz wide FDD channels should be 1 Gbps full duplex. Basically same as 
a Bridgewave FP80. 

256QAM and the 2 GHz wide channel is what gets 10 Gbps 



On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
wrote: 





Did you actually scroll down to the last page . where the expected ranges for 
the different rain zones are listed ? 


:) 



Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 





From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:37:54 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio? 






Never mind, I see on the next page a 12 mile claim for 80 GHz as well. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:31:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio? 


After getting a chance to catch up, it looks like they offer that platform in 
both 40 GHz and 70\80, so perhaps range is in best case on 40? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 6:19:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio? 


Wonder if Solectek will rebrand this one as well. 12 miles 
On Mar 28, 2016 4:42 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote: 




http://www.elva-1.com/news_events/a40107 

http://www.elva-1.com/products/a40106 

http://www.elva-1.com/data/files/Datasheets/2016_02_24_PPC-10G.pdf 


2000 MHz wide channel and 256QAM for 10 Gbps in the FDD 71-86 GHz bands. 
Question is... What's the Rx level needed for that, and how quickly does it 
drop off with rain? 

Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?

[Ken Hohhof]

Wives and girlfriends?

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?

With as much speculation and WAGs that were in the thread so far, I assumed I 
was the first to actually read it.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:47:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?


Did you actually scroll down to the last page . where the expected ranges for 
the different rain zones are listed ?

:)


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Mike Hammett" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:37:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?

  Never mind, I see on the next page a 12 mile claim for 80 GHz as well.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Mike Hammett" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:31:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?


  After getting a chance to catch up, it looks like they offer that platform in 
both 40 GHz and 70\80, so perhaps range is in best case on 40?




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Jaime Solorza" 
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 6:19:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?


  Wonder if Solectek will rebrand this one as well.  12 miles

  On Mar 28, 2016 4:42 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:

http://www.elva-1.com/news_events/a40107

http://www.elva-1.com/products/a40106

http://www.elva-1.com/data/files/Datasheets/2016_02_24_PPC-10G.pdf



2000 MHz wide channel and 256QAM for 10 Gbps in the FDD 71-86 GHz bands. 
Question is...  What's the Rx level needed for that, and how quickly does it 
drop off with rain?

Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?

[Eric Kuhnke]

The thing about the last page is that it doesn't jive with the radio being
10 Gbps capable. They're listing distances with 60cm antenna and QPSK
modulation/250 MHz wide channel, which will result in throughput of
maybe...  300 Mbps?

QPSK + 1 GHz wide FDD channels should be 1 Gbps full duplex. Basically same
as a Bridgewave FP80.

256QAM and the 2 GHz wide channel is what gets 10 Gbps

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> Did you actually scroll down to the last page . where the expected ranges
> for the different rain zones are listed ?
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:37:54 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?
>
> Never mind, I see on the next page a 12 mile claim for 80 GHz as well.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:31:12 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?
>
> After getting a chance to catch up, it looks like they offer that platform
> in both 40 GHz and 70\80, so perhaps range is in best case on 40?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Monday, March 28, 2016 6:19:26 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?
>
> Wonder if Solectek will rebrand this one as well.  12 miles
> On Mar 28, 2016 4:42 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:
>
>> http://www.elva-1.com/news_events/a40107
>>
>> http://www.elva-1.com/products/a40106
>>
>> http://www.elva-1.com/data/files/Datasheets/2016_02_24_PPC-10G.pdf
>>
>>
>> 2000 MHz wide channel and 256QAM for 10 Gbps in the FDD 71-86 GHz bands.
>> Question is...  What's the Rx level needed for that, and how quickly does
>> it drop off with rain?
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?

[Eric Kuhnke]

99.9% is still a ton of downtime each year, that's 43.8 minutes of outage
every month, or a cumulative 8.76 hours out every year. Basically means
it'll drop for 5 to 10 minutes every month in any sort of rain storm, even
a slight one.  If you design for five nines, yes your links will need to be
a great deal shorter.



On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 5:51 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I also see that they're rating the distance at 99.9% uptime. In our rain
> region (k), 99.9% is only 7.8 km and 99.99% is 3.2 km. Take that out
> another 9 and we're...  1 - 1.5 km?  Still seems awesome, assuming it isn't
> $250k.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:39:46 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?
>
> Maybe it’s a civilian version of a Russian military heat ray weapon?
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?
>
> Never mind, I see on the next page a 12 mile claim for 80 GHz as well.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:31:12 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?
>
> After getting a chance to catch up, it looks like they offer that platform
> in both 40 GHz and 70\80, so perhaps range is in best case on 40?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Monday, March 28, 2016 6:19:26 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?
>
> Wonder if Solectek will rebrand this one as well.  12 miles
> On Mar 28, 2016 4:42 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:
>
>> http://www.elva-1.com/news_events/a40107
>>
>> http://www.elva-1.com/products/a40106
>>
>> http://www.elva-1.com/data/files/Datasheets/2016_02_24_PPC-10G.pdf
>>
>>
>> 2000 MHz wide channel and 256QAM for 10 Gbps in the FDD 71-86 GHz bands.
>> Question is...  What's the Rx level needed for that, and how quickly does
>> it drop off with rain?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?

[Mike Hammett]

With as much speculation and WAGs that were in the thread so far, I assumed I 
was the first to actually read it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:47:18 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio? 



Did you actually scroll down to the last page . where the expected ranges for 
the different rain zones are listed ? 


:) 



Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -



From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:37:54 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio? 






Never mind, I see on the next page a 12 mile claim for 80 GHz as well. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:31:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio? 


After getting a chance to catch up, it looks like they offer that platform in 
both 40 GHz and 70\80, so perhaps range is in best case on 40? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 6:19:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio? 


Wonder if Solectek will rebrand this one as well. 12 miles 
On Mar 28, 2016 4:42 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote: 




http://www.elva-1.com/news_events/a40107 

http://www.elva-1.com/products/a40106 

http://www.elva-1.com/data/files/Datasheets/2016_02_24_PPC-10G.pdf 


2000 MHz wide channel and 256QAM for 10 Gbps in the FDD 71-86 GHz bands. 
Question is... What's the Rx level needed for that, and how quickly does it 
drop off with rain? 

[AFMUG] OT: Funny thing of the day, highest Spamassasin score I've seen all year

[Eric Kuhnke]

I went looking for things that scored more than 30 points...  This has to
be the worst spam ever?  I won't bother copy/pasting the body because it'll
trigger every known bayesian analysis method out there.

54.2 points!!!

Content preview:  Compliment of the day, I am staff of Bank here in
the Netherlands
   attached in Private Banking services I will be very glad if you do assist
   me to relocate this sum of (US$10,995,720.00) to your account for the benefit
   of our both families. [...]

Content analysis details:   (54.2 points, 3.5 required)

 pts rule name  description
 -- --
 3.5 NSL_RCVD_FROM_USER Received from User
 2.7 RCVD_IN_PSBL   RBL: Received via a relay in PSBL
[74.208.174.250 listed in psbl.surriel.com]
 1.6 RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT   RBL: RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT
[74.208.174.250 listed in bb.barracudacentral.org]
 1.6 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS  Subject is all capitals
 1.2 MISSING_HEADERSMissing To: header
 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE   BODY: HTML included in message
 1.1 MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY: Message only has text/html MIME parts
 0.6 FORGED_OUTLOOK_TAGSOutlook can't send HTML in this format
 0.1 MISSING_MIDMissing Message-Id: header
 0.0 LOTS_OF_MONEY  Huge... sums of money
 2.5 FROM_MISSP_XPRIO   Misspaced FROM + X-Priority
 1.9 REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC  REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC
 2.4 FROM_MISSP_MSFTFrom misspaced + supposed Microsoft tool
 2.0 FSL_NEW_HELO_USER  Spam's using Helo and User
 3.7 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 Yet another X header trait
 0.0 T_SHARE_50_50  Share the money 50/50
 0.0 FORGED_OUTLOOK_HTMLOutlook can't send HTML message only
 3.6 FROM_MISSP_USERFrom misspaced, from "User"
 2.0 MONEY_FROM_MISSP   Lots of money and misspaced From
 2.5 FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO Freemail in Reply-To, but not From
 2.6 FROM_MISSP_REPLYTO From misspaced, has Reply-To
 2.5 TO_NO_BRKTS_FROM_MSSP  Multiple header formatting problems
 2.0 FROM_MISSPACED From: missing whitespace
 0.0 T_MONEY_PERCENTX% of a lot of money for you
 2.8 FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK Forged mail pretending to be from MS Outlook
 2.5 TO_NO_BRKTS_MSFT   To: lacks brackets and supposed Microsoft tool
 2.0 XPRIO  Has X-Priority header
 3.5 MONEY_FRAUD_5  Lots of money and many fraud phrases
 3.2 ADVANCE_FEE_3_NEW_MONEY Advance Fee fraud and lots of money

Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?

[Mike Hammett]

Typing as I was reading. :-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:47:18 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio? 



Did you actually scroll down to the last page . where the expected ranges for 
the different rain zones are listed ? 


:) 



Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -



From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:37:54 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio? 






Never mind, I see on the next page a 12 mile claim for 80 GHz as well. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:31:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio? 


After getting a chance to catch up, it looks like they offer that platform in 
both 40 GHz and 70\80, so perhaps range is in best case on 40? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 6:19:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio? 


Wonder if Solectek will rebrand this one as well. 12 miles 
On Mar 28, 2016 4:42 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote: 




http://www.elva-1.com/news_events/a40107 

http://www.elva-1.com/products/a40106 

http://www.elva-1.com/data/files/Datasheets/2016_02_24_PPC-10G.pdf 


2000 MHz wide channel and 256QAM for 10 Gbps in the FDD 71-86 GHz bands. 
Question is... What's the Rx level needed for that, and how quickly does it 
drop off with rain? 

Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?

[Mike Hammett]

I also see that they're rating the distance at 99.9% uptime. In our rain region 
(k), 99.9% is only 7.8 km and 99.99% is 3.2 km. Take that out another 9 and 
we're... 1 - 1.5 km? Still seems awesome, assuming it isn't $250k. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:39:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio? 




Maybe it’s a civilian version of a Russian military heat ray weapon? 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:37 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio? 


Never mind, I see on the next page a 12 mile claim for 80 GHz as well. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:31:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio? 


After getting a chance to catch up, it looks like they offer that platform in 
both 40 GHz and 70\80, so perhaps range is in best case on 40? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 6:19:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio? 


Wonder if Solectek will rebrand this one as well. 12 miles 
On Mar 28, 2016 4:42 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote: 




http://www.elva-1.com/news_events/a40107 

http://www.elva-1.com/products/a40106 

http://www.elva-1.com/data/files/Datasheets/2016_02_24_PPC-10G.pdf 


2000 MHz wide channel and 256QAM for 10 Gbps in the FDD 71-86 GHz bands. 
Question is... What's the Rx level needed for that, and how quickly does it 
drop off with rain? 

Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?

[Gino Villarini]

price?

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 8:47 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> Did you actually scroll down to the last page . where the expected ranges
> for the different rain zones are listed ?
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:37:54 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?
>
> Never mind, I see on the next page a 12 mile claim for 80 GHz as well.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:31:12 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?
>
> After getting a chance to catch up, it looks like they offer that platform
> in both 40 GHz and 70\80, so perhaps range is in best case on 40?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Monday, March 28, 2016 6:19:26 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?
>
> Wonder if Solectek will rebrand this one as well.  12 miles
> On Mar 28, 2016 4:42 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:
>
>> http://www.elva-1.com/news_events/a40107
>>
>> http://www.elva-1.com/products/a40106
>>
>> http://www.elva-1.com/data/files/Datasheets/2016_02_24_PPC-10G.pdf
>>
>>
>> 2000 MHz wide channel and 256QAM for 10 Gbps in the FDD 71-86 GHz bands.
>> Question is...  What's the Rx level needed for that, and how quickly does
>> it drop off with rain?
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Did you actually scroll down to the last page . where the expected ranges for 
the different rain zones are listed ? 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:37:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?

> Never mind, I see on the next page a 12 mile claim for 80 GHz as well.

> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions

> Midwest Internet Exchange

> The Brothers WISP

> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:31:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?

> After getting a chance to catch up, it looks like they offer that platform in
> both 40 GHz and 70\80, so perhaps range is in best case on 40?

> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions

> Midwest Internet Exchange

> The Brothers WISP

> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 6:19:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?

> Wonder if Solectek will rebrand this one as well. 12 miles
> On Mar 28, 2016 4:42 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote:

>> http://www.elva-1.com/news_events/a40107

>> http://www.elva-1.com/products/a40106

>> http://www.elva-1.com/data/files/Datasheets/2016_02_24_PPC-10G.pdf

>> 2000 MHz wide channel and 256QAM for 10 Gbps in the FDD 71-86 GHz bands.
>> Question is... What's the Rx level needed for that, and how quickly does it
>> drop off with rain?

Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?

[Eric Kuhnke]

Clear sky atmospheric attenuation is definitely different at 40 GHz than
71-86 GHz. Might do a little better.

Doesn't appear to match any sort of known FCC band plan so it would
probably require requesting a special temporary authority license on a
link-by-link basis. With 2' antennas and 0.6 degree beam width the case
could definitely be made that interfering with anything else would be
highly unlikely.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> After getting a chance to catch up, it looks like they offer that platform
> in both 40 GHz and 70\80, so perhaps range is in best case on 40?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Monday, March 28, 2016 6:19:26 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?
>
> Wonder if Solectek will rebrand this one as well.  12 miles
> On Mar 28, 2016 4:42 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:
>
>> http://www.elva-1.com/news_events/a40107
>>
>> http://www.elva-1.com/products/a40106
>>
>> http://www.elva-1.com/data/files/Datasheets/2016_02_24_PPC-10G.pdf
>>
>>
>> 2000 MHz wide channel and 256QAM for 10 Gbps in the FDD 71-86 GHz bands.
>> Question is...  What's the Rx level needed for that, and how quickly does
>> it drop off with rain?
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?

[Ken Hohhof]

Maybe it’s a civilian version of a Russian military heat ray weapon?

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?

Never mind, I see on the next page a 12 mile claim for 80 GHz as well.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:31:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?


After getting a chance to catch up, it looks like they offer that platform in 
both 40 GHz and 70\80, so perhaps range is in best case on 40?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 6:19:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?


Wonder if Solectek will rebrand this one as well.  12 miles

On Mar 28, 2016 4:42 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:

  http://www.elva-1.com/news_events/a40107

  http://www.elva-1.com/products/a40106

  http://www.elva-1.com/data/files/Datasheets/2016_02_24_PPC-10G.pdf



  2000 MHz wide channel and 256QAM for 10 Gbps in the FDD 71-86 GHz bands. 
Question is...  What's the Rx level needed for that, and how quickly does it 
drop off with rain?

Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?

[Mike Hammett]

Never mind, I see on the next page a 12 mile claim for 80 GHz as well. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:31:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio? 


After getting a chance to catch up, it looks like they offer that platform in 
both 40 GHz and 70\80, so perhaps range is in best case on 40? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 6:19:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio? 


Wonder if Solectek will rebrand this one as well. 12 miles 
On Mar 28, 2016 4:42 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote: 




http://www.elva-1.com/news_events/a40107 

http://www.elva-1.com/products/a40106 

http://www.elva-1.com/data/files/Datasheets/2016_02_24_PPC-10G.pdf 


2000 MHz wide channel and 256QAM for 10 Gbps in the FDD 71-86 GHz bands. 
Question is... What's the Rx level needed for that, and how quickly does it 
drop off with rain? 

Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?

[Mike Hammett]

After getting a chance to catch up, it looks like they offer that platform in 
both 40 GHz and 70\80, so perhaps range is in best case on 40? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 6:19:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio? 


Wonder if Solectek will rebrand this one as well. 12 miles 
On Mar 28, 2016 4:42 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote: 




http://www.elva-1.com/news_events/a40107 

http://www.elva-1.com/products/a40106 

http://www.elva-1.com/data/files/Datasheets/2016_02_24_PPC-10G.pdf 


2000 MHz wide channel and 256QAM for 10 Gbps in the FDD 71-86 GHz bands. 
Question is... What's the Rx level needed for that, and how quickly does it 
drop off with rain? 

Re: [AFMUG] Spam:******, Re: New One - 450 AP Issue

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc]

Thanks for the response.  This was resolved.

 

The 430 SM’s will only connect on a frame of 2.5ms.  Not sure if that is a
FW issue or not, but that is what our problem was.

 

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Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 4:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Spam:**, Re: [AFMUG] New One - 450 AP Issue

 

430's are V pol only. If you lost the vertical on the AP, perhaps due to
water in the cable, that will do it.

On 3/29/2016 2:07 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc wrote:

Ok Geeks,

�

Just had a single 450 AP drop all it�s 430 Interop. SM�s over the past
24 Hrs. �Tired of repeating myself a dozen times over and over again with
Cambium support.� It�s very simple.� �If you can solve it great.� 

�

-AP has been working with 13.4 for 6+ months (actually really well)

- All 450 sessions are still up

- All 430 sessions are down and won�t reconnect

- 430 SM�s will connect to other 450 AP�s normally

- Power cycled AP.� Unplugged it.� Factory default and programmed.�
Different FW.� Different power source. etc.

- Same result.� I say replace and RAM.� Support says no, send the CNUT
capture.� 

�

�

Have not seen it before.� New one for me. Cheers!

�

�

�

�

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Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
� 
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Re: [AFMUG] Canopy FSK intigrated AP atenna specs.

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Yeah I think they abandoned the filters fairly early on. I have never seen one 
in them. Either way though I can’t find any specs online that lists the F/B 
ratio. I suspect its poor but I’m not positive. 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 4:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy FSK intigrated AP atenna specs.

 

Theyre the same antenna as the integrated subscriber, but there is a filter in 
there too

 

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Brandon Yuchasz  wrote:

I have a small location with an FSK 900mhz Omni  horizontal pol with 6 
customers on it. I don’t expect it to ever increase in numbers. We have some 
issues at the site because we are co-located with a SCADA system on the 
vertical pol in 900mhz. I am planning to work with the city to see if they are 
willing to convert from an Omni to two Yagi antennas. The county did this at 
the site because they needed to work around the noise we were creating and its 
my understanding the city has similar issues but does not know why at this 
point.  If they convert to Yagi they will not be broadcasting in the direction 
of my customer base but obviously the other ends of those Yagi will still be 
broadcasting at the tower I am on. So my though process is to convert to a 
sector antenna at this location. All customers can be covered with a 60 degree. 
I am making some assumptions but I believe if I get something with a good front 
to back ratio and the “noise” is behind and off to the side of this new sector 
my customers should be able to hear me much better. Obviously with such a small 
site I don’t want to spend  ton. 

 

So my question to the group is does anyone know what the FB was on the old 
integrated 60 degree AP antennas canopy sold? I have piles of them laying 
around.

 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 





 

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Re: [AFMUG] Canopy FSK intigrated AP atenna specs.

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Theyre the same antenna as the integrated subscriber, but there is a filter
in there too

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> I have a small location with an FSK 900mhz Omni  horizontal pol with 6
> customers on it. I don’t expect it to ever increase in numbers. We have
> some issues at the site because we are co-located with a SCADA system on
> the vertical pol in 900mhz. I am planning to work with the city to see if
> they are willing to convert from an Omni to two Yagi antennas. The county
> did this at the site because they needed to work around the noise we were
> creating and its my understanding the city has similar issues but does not
> know why at this point.  If they convert to Yagi they will not be
> broadcasting in the direction of my customer base but obviously the other
> ends of those Yagi will still be broadcasting at the tower I am on. So my
> though process is to convert to a sector antenna at this location. All
> customers can be covered with a 60 degree. I am making some assumptions but
> I believe if I get something with a good front to back ratio and the
> “noise” is behind and off to the side of this new sector my customers
> should be able to hear me much better. Obviously with such a small site I
> don’t want to spend  ton.
>
>
>
> So my question to the group is does anyone know what the FB was on the old
> integrated 60 degree AP antennas canopy sold? I have piles of them laying
> around.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>



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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Canopy FSK intigrated AP atenna specs.

[Brandon Yuchasz]

I have a small location with an FSK 900mhz Omni  horizontal pol with 6
customers on it. I don't expect it to ever increase in numbers. We have some
issues at the site because we are co-located with a SCADA system on the
vertical pol in 900mhz. I am planning to work with the city to see if they
are willing to convert from an Omni to two Yagi antennas. The county did
this at the site because they needed to work around the noise we were
creating and its my understanding the city has similar issues but does not
know why at this point.  If they convert to Yagi they will not be
broadcasting in the direction of my customer base but obviously the other
ends of those Yagi will still be broadcasting at the tower I am on. So my
though process is to convert to a sector antenna at this location. All
customers can be covered with a 60 degree. I am making some assumptions but
I believe if I get something with a good front to back ratio and the "noise"
is behind and off to the side of this new sector my customers should be able
to hear me much better. Obviously with such a small site I don't want to
spend  ton. 

 

So my question to the group is does anyone know what the FB was on the old
integrated 60 degree AP antennas canopy sold? I have piles of them laying
around.

 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

  www.gogebicrange.net

 

Re: [AFMUG] LTE testing seen in downtown Seattle

[Jaime Solorza]

Different LTE bands?
On Mar 29, 2016 2:45 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" 
wrote:

> http://m.imgur.com/a/FSEHW
>
> Not quite sure what kind of weird setup requires a 1:1 ratio of laptops to
> phones for data logging...
>

[AFMUG] LTE testing seen in downtown Seattle

[Eric Kuhnke]

http://m.imgur.com/a/FSEHW
Not quite sure what kind of weird setup requires a 1:1 ratio of laptops to phones for data logging...

Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?

[Eric Kuhnke]

There are not a lot of telecom satellites that talk to each other in orbit.
98% of what is out there in geostationary orbit operates as a "bent pipe"
angled repeater/amplifier between terminals and large earth stations.

Iridium satellites in LEO use the Ka band to trunk connections with each
other. Certain US DoD satellites have geostationary-to-geostationary links
in the 30-40 GHz bands. Never heard of 60 GHz being used for satellite to
satellite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_User_Objective_System

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_%28satellite%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wideband_Global_SATCOM


The TDRS satellites talk to each other over space-to-space links.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracking_and_Data_Relay_Satellite_System


It is rumored but not known for certain that various NRO satellites (both
imagery and radar) have the capability of talking to each other in orbit
for realtime data transfer and observation, such as from LEO observation of
a site in China, relayed via space to a ground terminal in Guam, Hawaii or
California.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 4:29 AM, Daniel White  wrote:

> I read somewhere that 60GHz is commonly used in satellite to satellite
> communication due to low probability of intercept and no chance of
> interference/jamming from Earth based transmitters.  No oxygen absorption
> or rain fade in outer space.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> afmu...@gmail.com
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, March 28, 2016 6:58 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?
>
>
>
> Well, they didn't say it would work that well on Earth... how are they
> supposed to know you aren't going to be installing these links on the moon?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
> 12 miles is a silly claim...  Marketing department vs reality.
>
> It appears to be +22 Tx power into a 51dBi gain antenna, so not much
> different than any other 80 GHz product in the link budget. Sure it'll be
> -51 at 7km in clear rain free skies, or something like that. But the link
> will be incredibly fragile. If you want full data rates at five nines
> reliability statistically over a year, more like 2.5 to 3km max.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Wonder if Solectek will rebrand this one as well.  12 miles
>
> On Mar 28, 2016 4:42 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:
>
> http://www.elva-1.com/news_events/a40107
>
> http://www.elva-1.com/products/a40106
>
> http://www.elva-1.com/data/files/Datasheets/2016_02_24_PPC-10G.pdf
>
> 2000 MHz wide channel and 256QAM for 10 Gbps in the FDD 71-86 GHz bands.
> Question is...  What's the Rx level needed for that, and how quickly does
> it drop off with rain?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>  Virus-free.
> www.avast.com
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] New One - 450 AP Issue

[George Skorup]

430's are V pol only. If you lost the vertical on the AP, perhaps due to 
water in the cable, that will do it.


On 3/29/2016 2:07 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc wrote:


Ok Geeks,

Just had a single 450 AP drop all it�s 430 Interop. SM�s over the past 
24 Hrs.  Tired of repeating myself a dozen times over and over again 
with Cambium support.  It�s very simple.   If you can solve it great.


-AP has been working with 13.4 for 6+ months (actually really well)

- All 450 sessions are still up

- All 430 sessions are down and won�t reconnect

- 430 SM�s will connect to other 450 AP�s normally

- Power cycled AP.  Unplugged it.  Factory default and programmed.  
Different FW.  Different power source. etc.


- Same result.  I say replace and RAM. Support says no, send the CNUT 
capture.


Have not seen it before.  New one for me. Cheers!

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**Internet Communications Inc.**
**739 Commerce Dr.**
**Franklin, IN 46131**
***
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Re: [AFMUG] New One - 450 AP Issue

[Ken Hohhof]

I would stay on 13.2.1 until 14.1.2 official which should be soon.  Not sure it 
explains your exact problem, but there were various problems with 13.3 onward 
so I don’t think many people are using those.

I don’t remember the exact problems with 13.4, I know 13.3 broke alignment tone 
so it was dead to me.


From: mailto:t...@franklinisp.net 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 2:07 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org ; af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] New One - 450 AP Issue

Ok Geeks,

 

Just had a single 450 AP drop all it’s 430 Interop. SM’s over the past 24 Hrs.  
Tired of repeating myself a dozen times over and over again with Cambium 
support.  It’s very simple.   If you can solve it great.  

 

-AP has been working with 13.4 for 6+ months (actually really well)

- All 450 sessions are still up

- All 430 sessions are down and won’t reconnect

- 430 SM’s will connect to other 450 AP’s normally

- Power cycled AP.  Unplugged it.  Factory default and programmed.  Different 
FW.  Different power source. etc.

- Same result.  I say replace and RAM.  Support says no, send the CNUT capture. 
 

 

 

Have not seen it before.  New one for me. Cheers!

 

 

 

 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net 

 



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Re: [AFMUG] POE + standard

[Sean Heskett]

the 450i does

the 450 is the "old canopy" standard.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Does Cambium’s new 450 gear (APs) support POE +  ?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 1:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] POE + standard
>
>
>
>
>
> Is it possible to get a device not specifically designed for a POE +
> injector to work off that?   I have tried a device (namely a 320AP with the
> pin 4 and 8 swapped to provide the proper + -   on 4, 5 and +- on 7,8) and
> the POE device (actually an edgepoint S16) doesn’t seem to react to it.  I
> know the cable is good (tested using another method).  When you pick POE+
> within the Edgepoint, no indicator lights come on on the Edgepoint (unlike
> any the other POE settings which have indicator lights active to show the
> appropriate power activation).
>
>
>
> Hoping to make this work somehow
>
>
>
> Paul, PDMNet
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE + standard

[Paul McCall]

Does Cambium's new 450 gear (APs) support POE +  ?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 1:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] POE + standard


Is it possible to get a device not specifically designed for a POE + injector 
to work off that?   I have tried a device (namely a 320AP with the pin 4 and 8 
swapped to provide the proper + -   on 4, 5 and +- on 7,8) and the POE device 
(actually an edgepoint S16) doesn't seem to react to it.  I know the cable is 
good (tested using another method).  When you pick POE+ within the Edgepoint, 
no indicator lights come on on the Edgepoint (unlike any the other POE settings 
which have indicator lights active to show the appropriate power activation).

Hoping to make this work somehow

Paul, PDMNet

Re: [AFMUG] Spam:******, Re: New One - 450 AP Issue

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc]

LOL.  Ok Mr. Obvious.

 

 

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Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 3:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Spam:**, Re: [AFMUG] New One - 450 AP Issue

 

Just go replace the 430s with 450s, sheesh, do I have to think of everything.

 

From: mailto:t...@franklinisp.net 

Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 1:07 PM

To: memb...@wispa.org   ; af@afmug.com 
  

Subject: [AFMUG] New One - 450 AP Issue

 

Ok Geeks,

 

Just had a single 450 AP drop all it’s 430 Interop. SM’s over the past 24 Hrs.  
Tired of repeating myself a dozen times over and over again with Cambium 
support.  It’s very simple.   If you can solve it great.  

 

-AP has been working with 13.4 for 6+ months (actually really well)

- All 450 sessions are still up

- All 430 sessions are down and won’t reconnect

- 430 SM’s will connect to other 450 AP’s normally

- Power cycled AP.  Unplugged it.  Factory default and programmed.  Different 
FW.  Different power source. etc.

- Same result.  I say replace and RAM.  Support says no, send the CNUT capture. 
 

 

 

Have not seen it before.  New one for me. Cheers!

 

 

 

 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
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Re: [AFMUG] POE + standard

[Paul McCall]

No light with nothing plugged in.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 2:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE + standard

Does the edgepoint show a light without the cable being plugged in?

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] POE + standard


Is it possible to get a device not specifically designed for a POE + injector 
to work off that?   I have tried a device (namely a 320AP with the pin 4 and 8 
swapped to provide the proper + -   on 4, 5 and +- on 7,8) and the POE device 
(actually an edgepoint S16) doesn’t seem to react to it.  I know the cable is 
good (tested using another method).  When you pick POE+ within the Edgepoint, 
no indicator lights come on on the Edgepoint (unlike any the other POE settings 
which have indicator lights active to show the appropriate power activation).

Hoping to make this work somehow

Paul, PDMNet

Re: [AFMUG] New One - 450 AP Issue

[Sean Heskett]

are you using RADIUS?  there are known issues with 13.4 and RADIUS.

13.2.1 and 14.1.2(build 8) are the only "stable" software releases for the
450AP in my opinion.

-sean

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc
 wrote:

> Ok Geeks,
>
>
>
> Just had a single 450 AP drop all it’s 430 Interop. SM’s over the past 24
> Hrs.  Tired of repeating myself a dozen times over and over again with
> Cambium support.  It’s very simple.   If you can solve it great.
>
>
>
> -AP has been working with 13.4 for 6+ months (actually really well)
>
> - All 450 sessions are still up
>
> - All 430 sessions are down and won’t reconnect
>
> - 430 SM’s will connect to other 450 AP’s normally
>
> - Power cycled AP.  Unplugged it.  Factory default and programmed.
> Different FW.  Different power source. etc.
>
> - Same result.  I say replace and RAM.  Support says no, send the CNUT
> capture.
>
>
>
>
>
> Have not seen it before.  New one for me. Cheers!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
> *Internet Communications Inc.*
> *739 Commerce Dr.*
> *Franklin, IN 46131*
>
> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
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>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] New One - 450 AP Issue

[Chuck McCown]

Just go replace the 430s with 450s, sheesh, do I have to think of everything.

From: mailto:t...@franklinisp.net 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 1:07 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org ; af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] New One - 450 AP Issue

Ok Geeks,

 

Just had a single 450 AP drop all it’s 430 Interop. SM’s over the past 24 Hrs.  
Tired of repeating myself a dozen times over and over again with Cambium 
support.  It’s very simple.   If you can solve it great.  

 

-AP has been working with 13.4 for 6+ months (actually really well)

- All 450 sessions are still up

- All 430 sessions are down and won’t reconnect

- 430 SM’s will connect to other 450 AP’s normally

- Power cycled AP.  Unplugged it.  Factory default and programmed.  Different 
FW.  Different power source. etc.

- Same result.  I say replace and RAM.  Support says no, send the CNUT capture. 
 

 

 

Have not seen it before.  New one for me. Cheers!

 

 

 

 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net 

 



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Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP 
Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. 
  
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[AFMUG] New One - 450 AP Issue

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc]

Ok Geeks,

 

Just had a single 450 AP drop all it's 430 Interop. SM's over the past 24
Hrs.  Tired of repeating myself a dozen times over and over again with
Cambium support.  It's very simple.   If you can solve it great.  

 

-AP has been working with 13.4 for 6+ months (actually really well)

- All 450 sessions are still up

- All 430 sessions are down and won't reconnect

- 430 SM's will connect to other 450 AP's normally

- Power cycled AP.  Unplugged it.  Factory default and programmed.
Different FW.  Different power source. etc.

- Same result.  I say replace and RAM.  Support says no, send the CNUT
capture.  

 

 

Have not seen it before.  New one for me. Cheers!

 

 

 

 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net 

 



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Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP
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Re: [AFMUG] POE + standard

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Does poe+ mean 802.3at?  If so,  it's probably looking for a 802.3at
signature before turning on power, which the cambium won't provide.
On Mar 29, 2016 11:55 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

>
>
> Is it possible to get a device not specifically designed for a POE +
> injector to work off that?   I have tried a device (namely a 320AP with the
> pin 4 and 8 swapped to provide the proper + -   on 4, 5 and +- on 7,8) and
> the POE device (actually an edgepoint S16) doesn’t seem to react to it.  I
> know the cable is good (tested using another method).  When you pick POE+
> within the Edgepoint, no indicator lights come on on the Edgepoint (unlike
> any the other POE settings which have indicator lights active to show the
> appropriate power activation).
>
>
>
> Hoping to make this work somehow
>
>
>
> Paul, PDMNet
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE + standard

[Josh Reynolds]

802.3at == POE+ , yes

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
 wrote:
> Does poe+ mean 802.3at?  If so,  it's probably looking for a 802.3at
> signature before turning on power, which the cambium won't provide.
>
> On Mar 29, 2016 11:55 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it possible to get a device not specifically designed for a POE +
>> injector to work off that?   I have tried a device (namely a 320AP with the
>> pin 4 and 8 swapped to provide the proper + -   on 4, 5 and +- on 7,8) and
>> the POE device (actually an edgepoint S16) doesn’t seem to react to it.  I
>> know the cable is good (tested using another method).  When you pick POE+
>> within the Edgepoint, no indicator lights come on on the Edgepoint (unlike
>> any the other POE settings which have indicator lights active to show the
>> appropriate power activation).
>>
>>
>>
>> Hoping to make this work somehow
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul, PDMNet

Re: [AFMUG] Smart Meters

[Jerry Head]

The Southern Company (Alabama Power) rolled them out in my area a few 
years ago but they used licensed 900, something like 901.45.

I did not notice any adverse effects on my network.
They did ask me recently to change channels on one of my FSK Access Points.
It was on 906 and they said it was bleeding onto them.
FWiW.

On 3/25/2016 12:59 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I found out our power company is going to be rolling out smart meters 
in a big way in about 8 months.


They are using Wimax as the backhaul to their collectors, then 
/probably /900mhz from the collector to the meters.  They guy I talked 
to said they're still in product selection, but in other areas they 
went with the 900mhz mesh.


How many of you were clobbered by these systems, and how many of you 
didn't notice the difference?

Re: [AFMUG] POE + standard

[Chuck McCown]

Does the edgepoint show a light without the cable being plugged in?

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] POE + standard

 

Is it possible to get a device not specifically designed for a POE + injector 
to work off that?   I have tried a device (namely a 320AP with the pin 4 and 8 
swapped to provide the proper + -   on 4, 5 and +- on 7,8) and the POE device 
(actually an edgepoint S16) doesn’t seem to react to it.  I know the cable is 
good (tested using another method).  When you pick POE+ within the Edgepoint, 
no indicator lights come on on the Edgepoint (unlike any the other POE settings 
which have indicator lights active to show the appropriate power activation).

 

Hoping to make this work somehow

 

Paul, PDMNet

Re: [AFMUG] Vivint

[Josh Luthman]

I had one of those.  I cancelled the card and called all the vendors for a
new one (right around 12 months ago in fact).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Jon Paul Kelley 
wrote:

> I would not sell Vivint on a bet, if they gave me all the equipment and I
> made a 100% markup. I had Vivint alarm service and have been trying to
> cancel it for about 6 months, but they refuse to cancel the service, no
> matter how many times that I send them the information that they request
> for disconnection. I may have to get an attorney involved now. Terrible
> customer service on their end.
>
>
>
> Jon Paul Kelley
>
> CKS Wireless
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Daniel White
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 12:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vivint
>
>
>
> Many Verizon stores I’ve been in have a Vivint display.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> afmu...@gmail.com
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:21 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Vivint
>
>
>
> Didn’t know they had retail.
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: Vivint_Signature] 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Virus-free. www.avast.com
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vivint

[Jon Paul Kelley]

I would not sell Vivint on a bet, if they gave me all the equipment and I made 
a 100% markup. I had Vivint alarm service and have been trying to cancel it for 
about 6 months, but they refuse to cancel the service, no matter how many times 
that I send them the information that they request for disconnection. I may 
have to get an attorney involved now. Terrible customer service on their end. 

 

Jon Paul Kelley

CKS Wireless

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 12:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vivint

 

Many Verizon stores I’ve been in have a Vivint display.

 

Daniel White

  afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Vivint

 

Didn’t know they had retail.  

 

 

  Vivint_Signature

 

 

 

 

 


 

 

Virus-free.  

 www.avast.com 

 

[AFMUG] POE + standard

[Paul McCall]

Is it possible to get a device not specifically designed for a POE + injector 
to work off that?   I have tried a device (namely a 320AP with the pin 4 and 8 
swapped to provide the proper + -   on 4, 5 and +- on 7,8) and the POE device 
(actually an edgepoint S16) doesn't seem to react to it.  I know the cable is 
good (tested using another method).  When you pick POE+ within the Edgepoint, 
no indicator lights come on on the Edgepoint (unlike any the other POE settings 
which have indicator lights active to show the appropriate power activation).

Hoping to make this work somehow

Paul, PDMNet

Re: [AFMUG] Vivint

[Daniel White]

Many Verizon stores I’ve been in have a Vivint display.



Daniel White

  afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Vivint



Didn’t know they had retail.





 











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Re: [AFMUG] IPV4 address space Cost

[SmarterBroadband]

I bought a /21 for $8 per address from ipv4auctions late last year.

All went smoothly.

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 6:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPV4 address space Cost

 

To acquire your own IPv4 from a third party you are looking at $10-13/IP for a 
/24.

 

http://www.ipv4auctions.com/

 

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Wireless Administrator  
wrote:

I realize that IPV4 address space is exhausted and that ARIN has a waiting 
list.  Can anyone give me an Idea of reasonable pricing to acquire IPV4 space 
from an upstream provider or from a third party?

 

Steve B.

 

[AFMUG] Vivint

[Chuck McCown]

Didn’t know they had retail.  



 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] IPV4 address space Cost

[Steve]

Holy crap /22 10k

I knew this would happen.  Its going to go through the roof most likely. 

- Original Message -
From: "Matt" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:05:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPV4 address space Cost

One auction site.

http://www.ipv4auctions.com/

After you buy them you must transfer them to your account with ARIN
which means meeting qualifications etc.  Then you own them and must
pay yearly fees to ARIN based on your block size, as I understand.


On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Wireless Administrator
 wrote:
> I realize that IPV4 address space is exhausted and that ARIN has a waiting
> list.  Can anyone give me an Idea of reasonable pricing to acquire IPV4
> space from an upstream provider or from a third party?
>
>
>
> Steve B.

Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn 45/

[Josh Luthman]

Give as much physical separation as possible.  On a Rohn45 I would probably
just do 10 feet of vertical spacing.  AB @ 100' and AB @ 110'.

For ePMP AB needs a guard band of 5 MHz, unfortunately.  pmp450 could be
adjacent.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> I am coming from FSK mostly and a little 450 so forgive my ignorance. With
> FSK we still needed 3 wavelengths ( 3 feet )  of separation horizontally in
> 900mhz to keep from self-interfering even with GPS. 3 wavelengths in 2.4 is
> a little more than 14 inches. Are you installing antennas close to each
> other than that and finding the GPS deals with it fine?  Ideally I would
> install two antennas to a pipe using some brackets to stand the antennas
> off the tower leg. Those antennas are going to be awful close to each other.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:59 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on
> a rohn 45/
>
>
>
> Even if you only do two sectors, you still want to do GPS, as that will
> take care of the self interference problem.
>
> If you can cover all the customers with two 90 degrees, you could just put
> those up initially and you can always add the other two later on, if you
> have the need... or you could do two 120's and add a third later on (doing
> ABC) - but you still need to go with GPS radios.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
>
> I assume you ran this way with some separation on channels? For example
> used 1 and 11?  I am looking at this as a way to off load line of site and
> near line of site 900mhz fsk. We are deploying the 450i 900 as well but
> anyone I can move to 2.4 will save me throughput on the 450i not to mention
> be cheaper to convert.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on
> a rohn 45/
>
>
>
> 4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS
>
>
>
> Not even a question to be honest.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
>
> Just looking for everyone’s experience mounting on Rohn 45 towers. We are
> looking to mount KP sectors on a tower site and want to make sure we have
> enough separation between the antennas.
>
>
>
> I am considering a few options at this site.
>
>
>
> 4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS
>
>
>
> 2 90 degree antennas running AB with no GPS
>
>
>
> 2 120 degree antennas running AB with no GPS
>
>
>
> Right now 180 degrees of coverage just about all customers so 4 antennas
> is not required if we go that route it would be more for future needs than
> anything else.
>
>
>
> Just wondering what configurations you all have used in the past for
> situations like this and what mounting hardware / stand offs? Anyone just
> mount two antennas right on the tower legs? If so did you have any
> self-interference that close together? We have not deployed the epmp line
> except single sectors at this point.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah

[Ken Hohhof]

It seems the latest trend is to put Tannerite in the rusting car body before 
shooting at it, so it explodes, and the shrapnel dismembers some of your 
body parts.



-Original Message- 
From: Jerry Head

Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 10:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah

"I have heard more reasoned discourse from toothless drunken rednecks
sitting in lawn chairs shooting holes in the rusting car body in their
front yard. "
When were you in my neighborhood Chuck?
You should have stopped by my house a visited for a spell

On 3/22/2016 5:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I have heard more reasoned discourse from toothless drunken rednecks 
sitting in lawn chairs shooting holes in the rusting car body in their 
front yard.

Re: [AFMUG] door access control

[Jaime Solorza]

Access Pro...I can get them at decent prices..
On Mar 28, 2016 4:52 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> I'm dying here. Every single system I can find is shit or costs an arm
> and a leg, to the point where I'm considering starting a company to
> make a better system. I just need an embedded, web based, IP access
> control system. It needs to be able to control the individual door
> access controllers to electronic striker or maglock to the keypad. POE
> here is best. If it requires software running on a windows PC then I
> don't want anything to do with it, even for those of you who are like
> "put it in a vm"... no. Those resources are reserved for properly
> functioning operation systems (and LXC containers!).
>
> I've got 3 doors at one location, then 2 more doors at 2 other locations.
>
> If it has a mobile app, that's even better.
>
> I've installed a couple of HID Global and DoorKing systems in the past
> and nothing about this is hard, but the chinese systems are only made
> for a single location.
>
> Any suggestions?
>

Re: [AFMUG] DKIM and incoming emails / spamassassin

[Mike Hammett]

Friends don't let friends use GMail for things they care about? :-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:34:49 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DKIM and incoming emails / spamassassin 


LOL, same here ;) 
On Mar 29, 2016 9:21 AM, "Sean Heskett" < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 


FYI Erik gmail tagged your message as SPAM 


-Sean 


On Monday, March 28, 2016, Eric Kuhnke < e...@kuhnke-international.com > wrote: 



If you are adding "points" via spamassassin to incoming emails that fail a DKIM 
check, how many points? I'm playing around with tuning things now and have had 
great results by adding 1 point for no DKIM. 
One point alone won't add the spam tag, but is helpful. Something needs to have 
no DKIM and other qualifiers before it gets tagged. 

Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn 45/

[Brandon Yuchasz]

I am coming from FSK mostly and a little 450 so forgive my ignorance. With FSK 
we still needed 3 wavelengths ( 3 feet )  of separation horizontally in 900mhz 
to keep from self-interfering even with GPS. 3 wavelengths in 2.4 is a little 
more than 14 inches. Are you installing antennas close to each other than that 
and finding the GPS deals with it fine?  Ideally I would install two antennas 
to a pipe using some brackets to stand the antennas off the tower leg. Those 
antennas are going to be awful close to each other.

 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:59 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn 
45/

 

Even if you only do two sectors, you still want to do GPS, as that will take 
care of the self interference problem.

If you can cover all the customers with two 90 degrees, you could just put 
those up initially and you can always add the other two later on, if you have 
the need... or you could do two 120's and add a third later on (doing ABC) - 
but you still need to go with GPS radios. 

 

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Brandon Yuchasz  wrote:

I assume you ran this way with some separation on channels? For example used 1 
and 11?  I am looking at this as a way to off load line of site and near line 
of site 900mhz fsk. We are deploying the 450i 900 as well but anyone I can move 
to 2.4 will save me throughput on the 450i not to mention be cheaper to 
convert. 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn 
45/

 

4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS

 

Not even a question to be honest.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Brandon Yuchasz  
wrote:

Just looking for everyone’s experience mounting on Rohn 45 towers. We are 
looking to mount KP sectors on a tower site and want to make sure we have 
enough separation between the antennas. 

 

I am considering a few options at this site.

 

4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS

 

2 90 degree antennas running AB with no GPS 

 

2 120 degree antennas running AB with no GPS

 

Right now 180 degrees of coverage just about all customers so 4 antennas is not 
required if we go that route it would be more for future needs than anything 
else. 

 

Just wondering what configurations you all have used in the past for situations 
like this and what mounting hardware / stand offs? Anyone just mount two 
antennas right on the tower legs? If so did you have any self-interference that 
close together? We have not deployed the epmp line except single sectors at 
this point. 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] IPV4 address space Cost

[Matt]

One auction site.

http://www.ipv4auctions.com/

After you buy them you must transfer them to your account with ARIN
which means meeting qualifications etc.  Then you own them and must
pay yearly fees to ARIN based on your block size, as I understand.


On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Wireless Administrator
 wrote:
> I realize that IPV4 address space is exhausted and that ARIN has a waiting
> list.  Can anyone give me an Idea of reasonable pricing to acquire IPV4
> space from an upstream provider or from a third party?
>
>
>
> Steve B.

Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn 45/

[Josh Luthman]

Well if you're doing epmp you won't get any 900...

As far as channels ABAB is correct.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> I assume you ran this way with some separation on channels? For example
> used 1 and 11?  I am looking at this as a way to off load line of site and
> near line of site 900mhz fsk. We are deploying the 450i 900 as well but
> anyone I can move to 2.4 will save me throughput on the 450i not to mention
> be cheaper to convert.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on
> a rohn 45/
>
>
>
> 4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS
>
>
>
> Not even a question to be honest.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
>
> Just looking for everyone’s experience mounting on Rohn 45 towers. We are
> looking to mount KP sectors on a tower site and want to make sure we have
> enough separation between the antennas.
>
>
>
> I am considering a few options at this site.
>
>
>
> 4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS
>
>
>
> 2 90 degree antennas running AB with no GPS
>
>
>
> 2 120 degree antennas running AB with no GPS
>
>
>
> Right now 180 degrees of coverage just about all customers so 4 antennas
> is not required if we go that route it would be more for future needs than
> anything else.
>
>
>
> Just wondering what configurations you all have used in the past for
> situations like this and what mounting hardware / stand offs? Anyone just
> mount two antennas right on the tower legs? If so did you have any
> self-interference that close together? We have not deployed the epmp line
> except single sectors at this point.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah

[Jerry Head]

"I have heard more reasoned discourse from toothless drunken rednecks 
sitting in lawn chairs shooting holes in the rusting car body in their 
front yard. "

When were you in my neighborhood Chuck?
You should have stopped by my house a visited for a spell

On 3/22/2016 5:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I have heard more reasoned discourse from toothless drunken rednecks 
sitting in lawn chairs shooting holes in the rusting car body in their 
front yard. 

Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn 45/

[Mathew Howard]

Even if you only do two sectors, you still want to do GPS, as that will
take care of the self interference problem.

If you can cover all the customers with two 90 degrees, you could just put
those up initially and you can always add the other two later on, if you
have the need... or you could do two 120's and add a third later on (doing
ABC) - but you still need to go with GPS radios.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> I assume you ran this way with some separation on channels? For example
> used 1 and 11?  I am looking at this as a way to off load line of site and
> near line of site 900mhz fsk. We are deploying the 450i 900 as well but
> anyone I can move to 2.4 will save me throughput on the 450i not to mention
> be cheaper to convert.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on
> a rohn 45/
>
>
>
> 4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS
>
>
>
> Not even a question to be honest.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
>
> Just looking for everyone’s experience mounting on Rohn 45 towers. We are
> looking to mount KP sectors on a tower site and want to make sure we have
> enough separation between the antennas.
>
>
>
> I am considering a few options at this site.
>
>
>
> 4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS
>
>
>
> 2 90 degree antennas running AB with no GPS
>
>
>
> 2 120 degree antennas running AB with no GPS
>
>
>
> Right now 180 degrees of coverage just about all customers so 4 antennas
> is not required if we go that route it would be more for future needs than
> anything else.
>
>
>
> Just wondering what configurations you all have used in the past for
> situations like this and what mounting hardware / stand offs? Anyone just
> mount two antennas right on the tower legs? If so did you have any
> self-interference that close together? We have not deployed the epmp line
> except single sectors at this point.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn 45/

[Brandon Yuchasz]

I assume you ran this way with some separation on channels? For example used 1 
and 11?  I am looking at this as a way to off load line of site and near line 
of site 900mhz fsk. We are deploying the 450i 900 as well but anyone I can move 
to 2.4 will save me throughput on the 450i not to mention be cheaper to 
convert. 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn 
45/

 

4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS

 

Not even a question to be honest.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Brandon Yuchasz  
wrote:

Just looking for everyone’s experience mounting on Rohn 45 towers. We are 
looking to mount KP sectors on a tower site and want to make sure we have 
enough separation between the antennas. 

 

I am considering a few options at this site.

 

4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS

 

2 90 degree antennas running AB with no GPS 

 

2 120 degree antennas running AB with no GPS

 

Right now 180 degrees of coverage just about all customers so 4 antennas is not 
required if we go that route it would be more for future needs than anything 
else. 

 

Just wondering what configurations you all have used in the past for situations 
like this and what mounting hardware / stand offs? Anyone just mount two 
antennas right on the tower legs? If so did you have any self-interference that 
close together? We have not deployed the epmp line except single sectors at 
this point. 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn 45/

[Josh Luthman]

4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS

Not even a question to be honest.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> Just looking for everyone’s experience mounting on Rohn 45 towers. We are
> looking to mount KP sectors on a tower site and want to make sure we have
> enough separation between the antennas.
>
>
>
> I am considering a few options at this site.
>
>
>
> 4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS
>
>
>
> 2 90 degree antennas running AB with no GPS
>
>
>
> 2 120 degree antennas running AB with no GPS
>
>
>
> Right now 180 degrees of coverage just about all customers so 4 antennas
> is not required if we go that route it would be more for future needs than
> anything else.
>
>
>
> Just wondering what configurations you all have used in the past for
> situations like this and what mounting hardware / stand offs? Anyone just
> mount two antennas right on the tower legs? If so did you have any
> self-interference that close together? We have not deployed the epmp line
> except single sectors at this point.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPV4 address space Cost

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/29/16 7:34 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Okay ;)



That's the way IP leasing outfits work. Now, how leasing compares 
economically or other advantages/disadvantages vs. the ARIN transfer 
route is an exercise left to the reader.


~Seth

[AFMUG] mounting brackets / hardware for 4 epmp sectors on a rohn 45/

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Just looking for everyone's experience mounting on Rohn 45 towers. We are
looking to mount KP sectors on a tower site and want to make sure we have
enough separation between the antennas. 

 

I am considering a few options at this site.

 

4 90 degree antennas running ABAB with GPS

 

2 90 degree antennas running AB with no GPS 

 

2 120 degree antennas running AB with no GPS

 

Right now 180 degrees of coverage just about all customers so 4 antennas is
not required if we go that route it would be more for future needs than
anything else. 

 

Just wondering what configurations you all have used in the past for
situations like this and what mounting hardware / stand offs? Anyone just
mount two antennas right on the tower legs? If so did you have any
self-interference that close together? We have not deployed the epmp line
except single sectors at this point. 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

  www.gogebicrange.net

 

Re: [AFMUG] IPV4 address space Cost

[Josh Reynolds]

Okay ;)
On Mar 29, 2016 9:10 AM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:

> On 3/29/16 7:05 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
>> That's just too acquire the space. You still get to pay ARIN every year
>> for their "cut" based on the amount of address space you have.
>>
>
>
> You're paying for registration services, not a "cut". You don't have to
> pay ARIN, but it won't be registered to you in whois.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] DKIM and incoming emails / spamassassin

[Josh Reynolds]

LOL, same here ;)
On Mar 29, 2016 9:21 AM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:

> FYI Erik gmail tagged your message as SPAM
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Monday, March 28, 2016, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> If you are adding "points" via spamassassin to incoming emails that fail
>> a DKIM check, how many points?  I'm playing around with tuning things now
>> and have had great results by adding 1 point for no DKIM.
>>
>> One point alone won't add the spam tag, but is helpful. Something needs
>> to have no DKIM and other qualifiers before it gets tagged.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DKIM and incoming emails / spamassassin

[Sean Heskett]

FYI Erik gmail tagged your message as SPAM

-Sean


On Monday, March 28, 2016, Eric Kuhnke 
wrote:

> If you are adding "points" via spamassassin to incoming emails that fail a
> DKIM check, how many points?  I'm playing around with tuning things now and
> have had great results by adding 1 point for no DKIM.
>
> One point alone won't add the spam tag, but is helpful. Something needs to
> have no DKIM and other qualifiers before it gets tagged.
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPV4 address space Cost

[Josh Reynolds]

That's just too acquire the space. You still get to pay ARIN every year for
their "cut" based on the amount of address space you have.
On Mar 29, 2016 9:03 AM, "Wireless Administrator"  wrote:

> Is this a onetime cost or ongoing annual expense?
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:40 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPV4 address space Cost
>
>
>
> $9-12 per IP, depending on block size.
>
> On Mar 29, 2016 8:35 AM, "Wireless Administrator" 
> wrote:
>
> I realize that IPV4 address space is exhausted and that ARIN has a waiting
> list.  Can anyone give me an Idea of reasonable pricing to acquire IPV4
> space from an upstream provider or from a third party?
>
>
>
> Steve B.
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPV4 address space Cost

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/29/16 7:05 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

That's just too acquire the space. You still get to pay ARIN every year
for their "cut" based on the amount of address space you have.



You're paying for registration services, not a "cut". You don't have to 
pay ARIN, but it won't be registered to you in whois.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Decent Wideband Communications Receiver

[Mike Hammett]

This is my friend JJ's project. http://3dbsdr.com/ 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "cjwstudios"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 5:43:38 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Decent Wideband Communications Receiver 


Hi Folks, 


Tonight I was having a wistful moment desiring to fiddle with the knobs of a 
wideband communications receiver and listen to jibber jabber from 
far-off-lands. Back In The Day we had heath kit, yeasu, drake, realistic, and 
grundig that would provide hours of enjoyment. 


Can anyone recommend a decent wideband RF receiver for DXing? Does anyone DX 
anymore? Thanks in advance... 

Re: [AFMUG] door access control

[Steve]

http://www.highpowersecurity.com/

Little expensive.  But its POE as well.  Yeah its windoze based software too 
but it works fine. 


- Original Message -
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 6:52:36 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] door access control

I'm dying here. Every single system I can find is shit or costs an arm
and a leg, to the point where I'm considering starting a company to
make a better system. I just need an embedded, web based, IP access
control system. It needs to be able to control the individual door
access controllers to electronic striker or maglock to the keypad. POE
here is best. If it requires software running on a windows PC then I
don't want anything to do with it, even for those of you who are like
"put it in a vm"... no. Those resources are reserved for properly
functioning operation systems (and LXC containers!).

I've got 3 doors at one location, then 2 more doors at 2 other locations.

If it has a mobile app, that's even better.

I've installed a couple of HID Global and DoorKing systems in the past
and nothing about this is hard, but the chinese systems are only made
for a single location.

Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?

[Daniel White]

I read somewhere that 60GHz is commonly used in satellite to satellite 
communication due to low probability of intercept and no chance of 
interference/jamming from Earth based transmitters.  No oxygen absorption or 
rain fade in outer space.



Daniel White

  afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 6:58 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Russians made a 10 Gbps radio?



Well, they didn't say it would work that well on Earth... how are they supposed 
to know you aren't going to be installing these links on the moon?



On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Eric Kuhnke  > wrote:

12 miles is a silly claim...  Marketing department vs reality.

It appears to be +22 Tx power into a 51dBi gain antenna, so not much different 
than any other 80 GHz product in the link budget. Sure it'll be -51 at 7km in 
clear rain free skies, or something like that. But the link will be incredibly 
fragile. If you want full data rates at five nines reliability statistically 
over a year, more like 2.5 to 3km max.



On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:

Wonder if Solectek will rebrand this one as well.  12 miles

On Mar 28, 2016 4:42 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  > wrote:

http://www.elva-1.com/news_events/a40107

http://www.elva-1.com/products/a40106

http://www.elva-1.com/data/files/Datasheets/2016_02_24_PPC-10G.pdf



2000 MHz wide channel and 256QAM for 10 Gbps in the FDD 71-86 GHz bands. 
Question is...  What's the Rx level needed for that, and how quickly does it 
drop off with rain?









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[AFMUG] OT: Decent Wideband Communications Receiver

[cjwstudios]

Hi Folks,

Tonight I was having a wistful moment desiring to fiddle with the knobs of
a wideband communications receiver and listen to jibber jabber from
far-off-lands.  Back In The Day we had heath kit, yeasu, drake, realistic,
and grundig that would provide hours of enjoyment.

Can anyone recommend a decent wideband RF receiver for DXing?  Does anyone
DX anymore?  Thanks in advance...