date:20160407

So, OT from the voting ID OT ;)

I was browsing through fox news tonight because hey, I try to pay attention
to multiple news sources. I may not agree with many of the things I read,
but I still do read them because I think it's important to get other
people's views.

The follow is screenshots of what I saw.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0sbuukgnmwa3zae/AACcSkadXx5bvsNICPMalljPa?dl=0=Screenshot+(219).png
(click through the different ones in that folder)

Shameful. Baseless partisan name-slinging, disrespect for the office of the
President of the United States, and racism. Most of this stuff doesn't have
anything to do with the article at all, it's just a soapbox
for bigoted blowhards. Is this really the base that Fox News wants to
cultivate? If so, shame on them.

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:22 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Birth certificates and records have been around a long time, and they are
> free the first time you get one. So you're saying if you are irresponsible
> and lose it, you shouldn't have to pay to get a new one? What if you were
> irresponsible and lost your pilots license...would you have to pay for a
> new one of those? The states have gone out of their way to make it as easy
> as possible to get a free id for those who are too incompetent or too
> indigent to afford them. If a person can't manage that, I'm guessing they
> aren't going to take the time to vote. There has to be some level of
> responsibility involved on the voter's behalf. I know responsibility is a 4
> letter word to most liberals, but it really does benefit the world when you
> take it for yourself.
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> How would they know if there was voter fraud? Personally, I think the
>> whole argument is pretty much a waste of time on both sides, since neither
>> the fraud nor the supposed disenfranchisement is actually likely to be
>> enough to have any real effect on the elections... other than maybe in
>> Chicago :P
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Certainly non existent in Chicago right  No fraud about it.  You
>>> pay good money for good votes.
>>>
>>> *From:* Sean Heskett 
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer=
>>>
>>> Voter fraud is vertically non existent
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice?  Or 10 times?

 *From:* Sean Heskett
 *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
 *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
 Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

 Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax
 specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to
 vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru.

 To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate
 you need to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive
 today were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the
 years.  Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax.

 Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have
 one so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so
 sorry.  Try harder.

 -Sean


 On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:

> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass
> tests, pay money.
> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests,
> pay money.
> Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote
> or to leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a
> passport, pay money.
>
> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our
> style  of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you
> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to
> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to
> control voter fraud.  Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable
> unreasonable barrier to entry.  Some folks are just born into sucky
> situations.  Affirmative action did not seem to erase that.
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 9 sectors @ 40*

Yes it is...(good eye, I was wondering if anyone would notice) luckily it's
disconnected from a transmitter ;)  otherwise that would wreak havoc since
no one likes to include SFP ports on their APs.  *cough cough* cambium are
you listening?!?!  Sometime we have to mount our radios right next to
antennas that are un-friendly to copper Ethernet.

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Scott Vander Dussen  wrote:

> Is that a FM horn right below the APs?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Sean
> Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 6, 2016 20:51
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 9 sectors @ 40*
>
>
>
> Even at 60*its possible ;)
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Scott Vander Dussen  > wrote:
>
> 450 APs, 9x 40* sectors.  Is ABCABCABC channel reuse realistic?
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Birth certificates and records have been around a long time, and they are
free the first time you get one. So you're saying if you are irresponsible
and lose it, you shouldn't have to pay to get a new one? What if you were
irresponsible and lost your pilots license...would you have to pay for a
new one of those? The states have gone out of their way to make it as easy
as possible to get a free id for those who are too incompetent or too
indigent to afford them. If a person can't manage that, I'm guessing they
aren't going to take the time to vote. There has to be some level of
responsibility involved on the voter's behalf. I know responsibility is a 4
letter word to most liberals, but it really does benefit the world when you
take it for yourself.

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> How would they know if there was voter fraud? Personally, I think the
> whole argument is pretty much a waste of time on both sides, since neither
> the fraud nor the supposed disenfranchisement is actually likely to be
> enough to have any real effect on the elections... other than maybe in
> Chicago :P
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Certainly non existent in Chicago right  No fraud about it.  You
>> pay good money for good votes.
>>
>> *From:* Sean Heskett 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>>
>>
>> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer=
>>
>> Voter fraud is vertically non existent
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice?  Or 10 times?
>>>
>>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax
>>> specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to
>>> vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru.
>>>
>>> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate
>>> you need to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive
>>> today were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the
>>> years.  Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax.
>>>
>>> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have
>>> one so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so
>>> sorry.  Try harder.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:
>>>
 I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass
 tests, pay money.
 If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests,
 pay money.
 Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote
 or to leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a
 passport, pay money.

 I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our
 style  of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you
 hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to
 keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to
 control voter fraud.  Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable
 unreasonable barrier to entry.  Some folks are just born into sucky
 situations.  Affirmative action did not seem to erase that.

 *From:* Sean Heskett
 *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
 *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
 Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

 Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have
 y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public
 transportation and few people own a car???

 I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public
 transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass
 to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot
 or by bike.

 At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.
 Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and
 whatever cash I had on hand.

 Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.

 -Sean

 On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:

> Should they be allowed to drive?
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Thursday,

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ex-staffer: Wisconsin GOP intended ID law to disenfranchise Dems | MSNBC

You did read the article right? The congressman said, “We feel if there’s
less fraud it’ll help Republican candidates. We can’t prove it, but that’s
what we think.” He also denies saying whatever the former staffer claims.
Let's see, a guys who owns a coffee shop in a college town full of leftest
students...h...a sensational story like this won't improve business at
all will it?

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Yup they openly outed themselves...totally disgraceful.
>
> You reap what you sow tho.  Eventually karma will smack them in the ass.
> She's a mean bitch.
>
> Completely un-American in my opinion.
>
> -Sean
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ex-staffer-wisconsin-gop-intended-id-law-disenfranchise-dems
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Mathew Howard

How would they know if there was voter fraud? Personally, I think the whole
argument is pretty much a waste of time on both sides, since neither the
fraud nor the supposed disenfranchisement is actually likely to be enough
to have any real effect on the elections... other than maybe in Chicago :P

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Certainly non existent in Chicago right  No fraud about it.  You
> pay good money for good votes.
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett 
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
>
>
> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer=
>
> Voter fraud is vertically non existent
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice?  Or 10 times?
>>
>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax
>> specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to
>> vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru.
>>
>> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you
>> need to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive today
>> were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the
>> years.  Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax.
>>
>> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have one
>> so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so
>> sorry.  Try harder.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:
>>
>>> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass
>>> tests, pay money.
>>> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests,
>>> pay money.
>>> Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote
>>> or to leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a
>>> passport, pay money.
>>>
>>> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our
>>> style  of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you
>>> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to
>>> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to
>>> control voter fraud.  Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable
>>> unreasonable barrier to entry.  Some folks are just born into sucky
>>> situations.  Affirmative action did not seem to erase that.
>>>
>>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have
>>> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public
>>> transportation and few people own a car???
>>>
>>> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public
>>> transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass
>>> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot
>>> or by bike.
>>>
>>> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.
>>> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and
>>> whatever cash I had on hand.
>>>
>>> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:
>>>
 Should they be allowed to drive?

 *From:* Carl Peterson
 *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
 *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
 Transfers toMexico - WSJ

 There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75%
 of 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means,
 to obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?

 On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum <
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote:

 I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
 drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
 account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
 other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
 conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
 voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

So you believe in socialist welfare and I should have to pay for your birth
certificate?!?!  I don't want to pay for someone else's birth certificate,
pay for your own!



-Sean


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I would support free birth certificates.  That seems like a reasonable
> right for all citizens.   (How do you prove you are you to get a birth
> certificate?)
>
>
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett 
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax
> specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to
> vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru.
>
> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you
> need to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive today
> were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the
> years.  Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax.
>
> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have one
> so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so
> sorry.  Try harder.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  > wrote:
>
>> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass
>> tests, pay money.
>> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests,
>> pay money.
>> Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote or
>> to leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a
>> passport, pay money.
>>
>> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our
>> style  of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you
>> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to
>> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to
>> control voter fraud.  Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable
>> unreasonable barrier to entry.  Some folks are just born into sucky
>> situations.  Affirmative action did not seem to erase that.
>>
>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have
>> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public
>> transportation and few people own a car???
>>
>> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public
>> transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass
>> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot
>> or by bike.
>>
>> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.
>> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and
>> whatever cash I had on hand.
>>
>> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:
>>
>>> Should they be allowed to drive?
>>>
>>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of
>>> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to
>>> obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?
>>>
>>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
>>> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
>>> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
>>> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
>>> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
>>> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote:
>>>
 Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
 Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
 obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
 with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
 otherwise.

 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <

Re: [AFMUG] Odd power cycling issues

Yeah move to private IPs, change passwords (smnp too!) and if you can
update to the latest firmware.

-Sean


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Craig House  wrote:

> OK  Im going to work based on that possible issue and get routing for non
> public IP's setup tomorrow.  Thanks
>
> Craig
>
>
> --
> *From: *"Colin Stanners"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 10:13:05 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Odd power cycling issues
>
> I'd say it's possible, the basic Cambium HTTP server may not be designed
> to survive pubic brute-forcing.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:09 PM, Craig House  > wrote:
>
>> These devices are on public IP's .  Our upstream for this tower just
>> recently changed a bunch of routing and firewall stuff.  Is it possible
>> this is a brute force attempt that is overloading the radios in this subnet
>> and causing the to reboot ??
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Colin Stanners" > >
>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 10:03:18 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Odd power cycling issues
>>
>> Could it be a problem with the GPS sync that's making the water tower
>> reboot? As for the slave rebooting could be an old software bug?
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Craig House > > wrote:
>>
>>> I know this is old legacy FSK equipment but it is what is on the tower
>>> so we have an odd situation going on.
>>>
>>> Water tower fed with a 5.2 BH20 link from a bank that is 800' away.
>>> Only equipment in use on the tower is a 900 omni.  The Master BH and the
>>> 900 omni are on a CMM at the base of the tower.  For the last few days the
>>> equipment will reboot itself every 60 minutes or less on average.   Not so
>>> odd that the CMM and the equipment on the tower reboots but so does the
>>> slave Bh at the bank at the exact same time.   OK  I thought Power issues,
>>> I replaced the UPS at the base of the tower.  Problem still persists.  I
>>> can find no place where the equipment can have a ping watchdog and there is
>>> not a web power switch at the base of the tower either.  The odd part is
>>> that out of desperation I logged into the AP and the CMM and factory
>>> defaulted the devices and reconfigured them.  When I rebooted the CMM to
>>> apply the reconfiguration, the Remote BH power cycled at the same exact
>>> time.   This equipment has been in service for over 2 years and is running
>>> old firmware 9.3 on the BH20's but have never been a problem until now.   I
>>> even changed the passwords thinking someone might be accessing them and
>>> causing these issues but I'm stumped.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

In Chicago only the dead vote ;) twice!

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Certainly non existent in Chicago right  No fraud about it.  You
> pay good money for good votes.
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett 
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
>
>
> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer=
>
> Voter fraud is vertically non existent
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  > wrote:
>
>> OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice?  Or 10 times?
>>
>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax
>> specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to
>> vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru.
>>
>> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you
>> need to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive today
>> were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the
>> years.  Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax.
>>
>> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have one
>> so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so
>> sorry.  Try harder.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:
>>
>>> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass
>>> tests, pay money.
>>> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests,
>>> pay money.
>>> Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote
>>> or to leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a
>>> passport, pay money.
>>>
>>> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our
>>> style  of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you
>>> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to
>>> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to
>>> control voter fraud.  Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable
>>> unreasonable barrier to entry.  Some folks are just born into sucky
>>> situations.  Affirmative action did not seem to erase that.
>>>
>>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have
>>> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public
>>> transportation and few people own a car???
>>>
>>> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public
>>> transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass
>>> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot
>>> or by bike.
>>>
>>> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.
>>> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and
>>> whatever cash I had on hand.
>>>
>>> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:
>>>
 Should they be allowed to drive?

 *From:* Carl Peterson
 *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
 *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
 Transfers toMexico - WSJ

 There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75%
 of 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means,
 to obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?

 On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum <
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote:

 I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
 drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
 account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
 other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
 conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
 voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.

 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard <

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ex-staffer: Wisconsin GOP intended ID law to disenfranchise Dems | MSNBC

Yup they openly outed themselves...totally disgraceful.

You reap what you sow tho.  Eventually karma will smack them in the ass.
She's a mean bitch.

Completely un-American in my opinion.

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Jaime Solorza  wrote:

>
> http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ex-staffer-wisconsin-gop-intended-id-law-disenfranchise-dems
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Certainly non existent in Chicago right  No fraud about it.  You pay 
good money for good votes.  

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer=

Voter fraud is vertically non existent 

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice?  Or 10 times?

  From: Sean Heskett 
  Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

  Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax 
specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to vote 
by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. 

  To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you 
need to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive today were 
not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the years.  
Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax.

  Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have one so I 
can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so sorry.  Try 
harder.

  -Sean

  On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests, 
pay money.
If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests, pay 
money.
Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote or 
to leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a passport, 
pay money.  

I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our style  
of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you hit voting 
age, but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to keep the voting 
process as honest as possible and that means attempting to control voter fraud. 
 Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable unreasonable barrier to entry.  
Some folks are just born into sucky situations.  Affirmative action did not 
seem to erase that.  

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have 
y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public 
transportation and few people own a car??? 

I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public 
transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass to 
find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot or by 
bike. 

At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.  
Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and 
whatever cash I had on hand.

Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.  

-Sean 

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

  Should they be allowed to drive?

  From: Carl Peterson 
  Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers 
toMexico - WSJ

  There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 
18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to 
obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?  

  On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum 
 wrote:

I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they 
drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, 
have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that 
require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad 
as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can 
vote to keep your liberals in power. 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

  Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of 
Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously 
have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they 
vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. 

  On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett 
 wrote:

Opponents think

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

My motto...vote early vote often...
On Apr 7, 2016 10:23 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice?  Or 10 times?
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett 
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax
> specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to
> vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru.
>
> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you
> need to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive today
> were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the
> years.  Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax.
>
> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have one
> so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so
> sorry.  Try harder.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass
>> tests, pay money.
>> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests,
>> pay money.
>> Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote or
>> to leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a
>> passport, pay money.
>>
>> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our
>> style  of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you
>> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to
>> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to
>> control voter fraud.  Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable
>> unreasonable barrier to entry.  Some folks are just born into sucky
>> situations.  Affirmative action did not seem to erase that.
>>
>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have
>> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public
>> transportation and few people own a car???
>>
>> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public
>> transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass
>> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot
>> or by bike.
>>
>> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.
>> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and
>> whatever cash I had on hand.
>>
>> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:
>>
>>> Should they be allowed to drive?
>>>
>>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of
>>> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to
>>> obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?
>>>
>>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
>>> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
>>> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
>>> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
>>> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
>>> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote:
>>>
 Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
 Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
 obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
 with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
 otherwise.

 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');> wrote:

> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
> racist.
>
> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
> fine with that.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

But if you want anyone to be able to stroll into a polling place an vote, they 
can go to the next polling place and vote again, because they don’t have to 
show no stinking ID.  And I can get lots of people to do this and vote the way 
I tell ‘em because I pay them...

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

Um computers?!?! 

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice?  Or 10 times?

  From: Sean Heskett 
  Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

  Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax 
specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to vote 
by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. 

  To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you 
need to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive today were 
not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the years.  
Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax.

  Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have one so I 
can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so sorry.  Try 
harder.

  -Sean

  On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests, 
pay money.
If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests, pay 
money.
Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote or 
to leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a passport, 
pay money.  

I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our style  
of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you hit voting 
age, but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to keep the voting 
process as honest as possible and that means attempting to control voter fraud. 
 Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable unreasonable barrier to entry.  
Some folks are just born into sucky situations.  Affirmative action did not 
seem to erase that.  

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have 
y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public 
transportation and few people own a car??? 

I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public 
transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass to 
find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot or by 
bike. 

At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.  
Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and 
whatever cash I had on hand.

Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.  

-Sean 

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

  Should they be allowed to drive?

  From: Carl Peterson 
  Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers 
toMexico - WSJ

  There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 
18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to 
obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?  

  On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum 
 wrote:

I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they 
drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, 
have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that 
require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad 
as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can 
vote to keep your liberals in power. 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

  Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of 
Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously 
have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they 
vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. 

  On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

I would support free birth certificates.  That seems like a reasonable right 
for all citizens.   (How do you prove you are you to get a birth certificate?)  

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax 
specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to vote 
by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. 

To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you need 
to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive today were not 
issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the years.  Obtaining 
a new birth certificate == poll tax.

Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have one so I 
can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so sorry.  Try 
harder.

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests, 
pay money.
  If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests, pay 
money.
  Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote or to 
leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a passport, 
pay money.  

  I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our style  of 
civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you hit voting age, 
but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to keep the voting 
process as honest as possible and that means attempting to control voter fraud. 
 Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable unreasonable barrier to entry.  
Some folks are just born into sucky situations.  Affirmative action did not 
seem to erase that.  

  From: Sean Heskett 
  Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

  Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have y'all 
never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public 
transportation and few people own a car??? 

  I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public 
transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass to 
find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot or by 
bike. 

  At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.  
Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and 
whatever cash I had on hand.

  Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.  

  -Sean 

  On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

Should they be allowed to drive?

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers 
toMexico - WSJ

There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 
18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to 
obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?  

On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum 
 wrote:

  I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they 
drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, 
have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that 
require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad 
as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can 
vote to keep your liberals in power. 

  On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of 
Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously 
have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they 
vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett 
 wrote:

  Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all 
racist.

  Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just 
fine with that.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Mathew Howard" 

  To: "af"

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Um computers?!?!



On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice?  Or 10 times?
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett 
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax
> specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to
> vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru.
>
> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you
> need to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive today
> were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the
> years.  Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax.
>
> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have one
> so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so
> sorry.  Try harder.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  > wrote:
>
>> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass
>> tests, pay money.
>> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests,
>> pay money.
>> Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote or
>> to leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a
>> passport, pay money.
>>
>> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our
>> style  of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you
>> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to
>> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to
>> control voter fraud.  Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable
>> unreasonable barrier to entry.  Some folks are just born into sucky
>> situations.  Affirmative action did not seem to erase that.
>>
>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have
>> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public
>> transportation and few people own a car???
>>
>> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public
>> transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass
>> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot
>> or by bike.
>>
>> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.
>> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and
>> whatever cash I had on hand.
>>
>> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:
>>
>>> Should they be allowed to drive?
>>>
>>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of
>>> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to
>>> obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?
>>>
>>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
>>> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
>>> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
>>> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
>>> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
>>> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote:
>>>
 Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
 Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
 obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
 with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
 otherwise.

 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');> wrote:

> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
> racist.
>
> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
> fine with that.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice?  Or 10 times?

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax 
specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to vote 
by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. 

To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you need 
to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive today were not 
issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the years.  Obtaining 
a new birth certificate == poll tax.

Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have one so I 
can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so sorry.  Try 
harder.

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests, 
pay money.
  If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests, pay 
money.
  Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote or to 
leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a passport, 
pay money.  

  I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our style  of 
civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you hit voting age, 
but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to keep the voting 
process as honest as possible and that means attempting to control voter fraud. 
 Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable unreasonable barrier to entry.  
Some folks are just born into sucky situations.  Affirmative action did not 
seem to erase that.  

  From: Sean Heskett 
  Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

  Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have y'all 
never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public 
transportation and few people own a car??? 

  I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public 
transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass to 
find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot or by 
bike. 

  At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.  
Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and 
whatever cash I had on hand.

  Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.  

  -Sean 

  On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

Should they be allowed to drive?

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers 
toMexico - WSJ

There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 
18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to 
obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?  

On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum 
 wrote:

  I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they 
drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, 
have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that 
require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad 
as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can 
vote to keep your liberals in power. 

  On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of 
Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously 
have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they 
vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett 
 wrote:

  Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all 
racist.

  Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just 
fine with that.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Mathew Howard" 

  To: "af" 
  Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax
specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to
vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru.

To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you
need to...wait for it...pay money to the state.  Many people alive today
were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the
years.  Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax.

Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license.  I have one so
I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so sorry.
Try harder.

-Sean


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests,
> pay money.
> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests, pay
> money.
> Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote or
> to leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a
> passport, pay money.
>
> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our style
> of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you hit
> voting age, but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to keep
> the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to
> control voter fraud.  Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable
> unreasonable barrier to entry.  Some folks are just born into sucky
> situations.  Affirmative action did not seem to erase that.
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett 
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have
> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public
> transportation and few people own a car???
>
> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public
> transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass
> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot
> or by bike.
>
> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.
> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and
> whatever cash I had on hand.
>
> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.
>
> -Sean
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  > wrote:
>
>> Should they be allowed to drive?
>>
>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ
>>
>> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of
>> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to
>> obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote:
>>
>> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
>> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
>> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
>> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
>> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
>> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote:
>>
>>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
>>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
>>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
>>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
>>> otherwise.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');> wrote:
>>>
 Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
 racist.

 Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
 fine with that.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 
 
 The Brothers WISP

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests, pay 
money.
If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified.  Pass tests, pay 
money.
Voting is a privilege too.  Just like a passport.  If you want to vote or to 
leave the country,  you have to get qualified and in the case of a passport, 
pay money.  

I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our style  of 
civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you hit voting age, 
but we take that right away from some felons.  We need to keep the voting 
process as honest as possible and that means attempting to control voter fraud. 
 Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable unreasonable barrier to entry.  
Some folks are just born into sucky situations.  Affirmative action did not 
seem to erase that.  

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have y'all 
never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public 
transportation and few people own a car??? 

I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public 
transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass to 
find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot or by 
bike. 

At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.  Didn't 
need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and whatever cash 
I had on hand.

Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.  

-Sean 

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Should they be allowed to drive?

  From: Carl Peterson 
  Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers 
toMexico - WSJ

  There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 
18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to 
obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?  

  On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum 
 wrote:


I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they 
drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, 
have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that 
require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad 
as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can 
vote to keep your liberals in power. 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

  Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of 
Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously 
have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they 
vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. 


  On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett 
 wrote:

Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all 
racist.

Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just 
fine with that.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Mathew Howard" 

To: "af" 
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money 
Transfers to Mexico - WSJ


While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells 
me they require one of the following:

  a.. Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public 
Safety (DPS) 
  b.. Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS 
  c.. Texas personal identification card issued by DPS 
  d.. Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS 
  e.. United States military identification card containing the 
person’s photograph 
  f.. United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s 
photograph 
  g.. United States passport
Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see 
anything inconsistent there.


here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and 
there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay 
for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to 
get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're

Re: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

If you use the external air fuel mixer it should not affect the warranty. 
NG gas utility companies provide them if you ask for them.

-Original Message- 
From: George Skorup

Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

Which Generac doesn't offer on these. I don't want to piss away a 5yr
warranty from the get-go.

On 4/7/2016 6:48 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Yes, if  you want to permanently change it over, but there are dual 
regulators and the air mixing device.

-Original Message- From: George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

OK, so apparently the regulator jet has to be swapped when changing fuel
types. As well as access to the dealer password locked section in the
controller to select NG or LP. Dumb. Oh well, we'll just order the LP
jet and keep it in a safe place.

On 4/7/2016 3:07 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

48Kw, Ford v8 on NG

Generac RTSW200A3

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:49 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

Nice. What size and which transfer switch did you use?

On 4/7/2016 2:43 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Here's our new baby.
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/ctcqnbl1cun088e/AAA19j1kF8M9gaCPX_6CVMr4a

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:29 PM, George Skorup  
wrote:

We're most likely going to get the 22kw. I believe Generac has these
newer
units set up so that all you need is to select the correct regulator 
for

the
desired fuel type. So it'd be ideal if we could just plumb two 
regulators
and some valves. Guess we'll talk to the dealer and see if we can make 
it

work.

On 4/7/2016 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Two ways.  Almost certain Generac has a dual fuel carb that will LP 
and

NG.

But you can always convert LP to work with an unaltered NG device 
with

an
air mixer.

Lots of mission critical NG installations have a large LP tank too 
with

this air mixer device.  The NG companies call them a carburetor.  I
think it
just mixes a fixed amount of air with the LP and sends it down the 
line

at
the right pressure.

-Original Message- From: George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

We're going to be putting in one of the Generac 1800RPM quiet models 
at
our office (so the neighbors won't bitch too much about the noise of 
a

3600). So here's one of the potential problems we're worried about,
because it happened. They shut off the natural gas after the tornado
last year because houses were blown away and gas was leaking 
everywhere.

If that were to happen again, then our shiny expensive new generator
will be sitting there doing nothing. So we're thinking about doing a 
LP

tank as backup, but would like to have the primary be NG. Has anyone
done this? Two regulators and valves perhaps? I don't have a problem
manually turning some valves, but I don't wanna be out there at
o'dark:30 in the rain doing plumbing.

[AFMUG] OT: Ex-staffer: Wisconsin GOP intended ID law to disenfranchise Dems | MSNBC

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ex-staffer-wisconsin-gop-intended-id-law-disenfranchise-dems

Re: [AFMUG] Odd power cycling issues

OK Im going to work based on that possible issue and get routing for non public 
IP's setup tomorrow. Thanks 

Craig 

- Original Message -

From: "Colin Stanners"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 10:13:05 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Odd power cycling issues 

I'd say it's possible, the basic Cambium HTTP server may not be designed to 
survive pubic brute-forcing. 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:09 PM, Craig House < cr...@totalhighspeed.net > 
wrote: 

These devices are on public IP's . Our upstream for this tower just recently 
changed a bunch of routing and firewall stuff. Is it possible this is a brute 
force attempt that is overloading the radios in this subnet and causing the to 
reboot ?? 

Craig 

From: "Colin Stanners" < cstann...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 10:03:18 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Odd power cycling issues 

Could it be a problem with the GPS sync that's making the water tower reboot? 
As for the slave rebooting could be an old software bug? 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Craig House < cr...@totalhighspeed.net > wrote: 

I know this is old legacy FSK equipment but it is what is on the tower so we 
have an odd situation going on. 

Water tower fed with a 5.2 BH20 link from a bank that is 800' away. Only 
equipment in use on the tower is a 900 omni. The Master BH and the 900 omni are 
on a CMM at the base of the tower. For the last few days the equipment will 
reboot itself every 60 minutes or less on average. Not so odd that the CMM and 
the equipment on the tower reboots but so does the slave Bh at the bank at the 
exact same time. OK I thought Power issues, I replaced the UPS at the base of 
the tower. Problem still persists. I can find no place where the equipment can 
have a ping watchdog and there is not a web power switch at the base of the 
tower either. The odd part is that out of desperation I logged into the AP and 
the CMM and factory defaulted the devices and reconfigured them. When I 
rebooted the CMM to apply the reconfiguration, the Remote BH power cycled at 
the same exact time. This equipment has been in service for over 2 years and is 
running old firmware 9.3 on the BH20's but have never been a problem until now. 
I even changed the passwords thinking someone might be accessing them and 
causing these issues but I'm stumped. 

Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Odd power cycling issues

2016-04-07 Thread Colin Stanners

I'd say it's possible, the basic Cambium HTTP server may not be designed to
survive pubic brute-forcing.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:09 PM, Craig House 
wrote:

> These devices are on public IP's .  Our upstream for this tower just
> recently changed a bunch of routing and firewall stuff.  Is it possible
> this is a brute force attempt that is overloading the radios in this subnet
> and causing the to reboot ??
>
> Craig
>
>
> --
> *From: *"Colin Stanners" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 10:03:18 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Odd power cycling issues
>
> Could it be a problem with the GPS sync that's making the water tower
> reboot? As for the slave rebooting could be an old software bug?
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Craig House 
> wrote:
>
>> I know this is old legacy FSK equipment but it is what is on the tower so
>> we have an odd situation going on.
>>
>> Water tower fed with a 5.2 BH20 link from a bank that is 800' away.  Only
>> equipment in use on the tower is a 900 omni.  The Master BH and the 900
>> omni are on a CMM at the base of the tower.  For the last few days the
>> equipment will reboot itself every 60 minutes or less on average.   Not so
>> odd that the CMM and the equipment on the tower reboots but so does the
>> slave Bh at the bank at the exact same time.   OK  I thought Power issues,
>> I replaced the UPS at the base of the tower.  Problem still persists.  I
>> can find no place where the equipment can have a ping watchdog and there is
>> not a web power switch at the base of the tower either.  The odd part is
>> that out of desperation I logged into the AP and the CMM and factory
>> defaulted the devices and reconfigured them.  When I rebooted the CMM to
>> apply the reconfiguration, the Remote BH power cycled at the same exact
>> time.   This equipment has been in service for over 2 years and is running
>> old firmware 9.3 on the BH20's but have never been a problem until now.   I
>> even changed the passwords thinking someone might be accessing them and
>> causing these issues but I'm stumped.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Odd power cycling issues

These devices are on public IP's . Our upstream for this tower just recently 
changed a bunch of routing and firewall stuff. Is it possible this is a brute 
force attempt that is overloading the radios in this subnet and causing the to 
reboot ?? 

Craig 


- Original Message -

From: "Colin Stanners"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 10:03:18 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Odd power cycling issues 

Could it be a problem with the GPS sync that's making the water tower reboot? 
As for the slave rebooting could be an old software bug? 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Craig House < cr...@totalhighspeed.net > wrote: 


I know this is old legacy FSK equipment but it is what is on the tower so we 
have an odd situation going on. 

Water tower fed with a 5.2 BH20 link from a bank that is 800' away. Only 
equipment in use on the tower is a 900 omni. The Master BH and the 900 omni are 
on a CMM at the base of the tower. For the last few days the equipment will 
reboot itself every 60 minutes or less on average. Not so odd that the CMM and 
the equipment on the tower reboots but so does the slave Bh at the bank at the 
exact same time. OK I thought Power issues, I replaced the UPS at the base of 
the tower. Problem still persists. I can find no place where the equipment can 
have a ping watchdog and there is not a web power switch at the base of the 
tower either. The odd part is that out of desperation I logged into the AP and 
the CMM and factory defaulted the devices and reconfigured them. When I 
rebooted the CMM to apply the reconfiguration, the Remote BH power cycled at 
the same exact time. This equipment has been in service for over 2 years and is 
running old firmware 9.3 on the BH20's but have never been a problem until now. 
I even changed the passwords thinking someone might be accessing them and 
causing these issues but I'm stumped. 

Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Odd power cycling issues

How would GPS sync cause the entire CMM to reboot? And why would the slave side 
suddenly start having this software bug after 2 years with no changes at all. 
This site has been rock solid which is why it is still on the old firmware 

Craig 


- Original Message -

From: "Colin Stanners"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 10:03:18 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Odd power cycling issues 

Could it be a problem with the GPS sync that's making the water tower reboot? 
As for the slave rebooting could be an old software bug? 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Craig House < cr...@totalhighspeed.net > wrote: 


I know this is old legacy FSK equipment but it is what is on the tower so we 
have an odd situation going on. 

Water tower fed with a 5.2 BH20 link from a bank that is 800' away. Only 
equipment in use on the tower is a 900 omni. The Master BH and the 900 omni are 
on a CMM at the base of the tower. For the last few days the equipment will 
reboot itself every 60 minutes or less on average. Not so odd that the CMM and 
the equipment on the tower reboots but so does the slave Bh at the bank at the 
exact same time. OK I thought Power issues, I replaced the UPS at the base of 
the tower. Problem still persists. I can find no place where the equipment can 
have a ping watchdog and there is not a web power switch at the base of the 
tower either. The odd part is that out of desperation I logged into the AP and 
the CMM and factory defaulted the devices and reconfigured them. When I 
rebooted the CMM to apply the reconfiguration, the Remote BH power cycled at 
the same exact time. This equipment has been in service for over 2 years and is 
running old firmware 9.3 on the BH20's but have never been a problem until now. 
I even changed the passwords thinking someone might be accessing them and 
causing these issues but I'm stumped. 

Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Odd power cycling issues

2016-04-07 Thread Colin Stanners

Could it be a problem with the GPS sync that's making the water tower
reboot? As for the slave rebooting could be an old software bug?

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Craig House 
wrote:

> I know this is old legacy FSK equipment but it is what is on the tower so
> we have an odd situation going on.
>
> Water tower fed with a 5.2 BH20 link from a bank that is 800' away.  Only
> equipment in use on the tower is a 900 omni.  The Master BH and the 900
> omni are on a CMM at the base of the tower.  For the last few days the
> equipment will reboot itself every 60 minutes or less on average.   Not so
> odd that the CMM and the equipment on the tower reboots but so does the
> slave Bh at the bank at the exact same time.   OK  I thought Power issues,
> I replaced the UPS at the base of the tower.  Problem still persists.  I
> can find no place where the equipment can have a ping watchdog and there is
> not a web power switch at the base of the tower either.  The odd part is
> that out of desperation I logged into the AP and the CMM and factory
> defaulted the devices and reconfigured them.  When I rebooted the CMM to
> apply the reconfiguration, the Remote BH power cycled at the same exact
> time.   This equipment has been in service for over 2 years and is running
> old firmware 9.3 on the BH20's but have never been a problem until now.   I
> even changed the passwords thinking someone might be accessing them and
> causing these issues but I'm stumped.
>
> Craig
>

[AFMUG] Odd power cycling issues

I know this is old legacy FSK equipment but it is what is on the tower so we 
have an odd situation going on.
 
Water tower fed with a 5.2 BH20 link from a bank that is 800' away.  Only 
equipment in use on the tower is a 900 omni.  The Master BH and the 900 omni 
are on a CMM at the base of the tower.  For the last few days the equipment 
will reboot itself every 60 minutes or less on average.   Not so odd that the 
CMM and the equipment on the tower reboots but so does the slave Bh at the bank 
at the exact same time.   OK  I thought Power issues,  I replaced the UPS at 
the base of the tower.  Problem still persists.  I can find no place where the 
equipment can have a ping watchdog and there is not a web power switch at the 
base of the tower either.  The odd part is that out of desperation I logged 
into the AP and the CMM and factory defaulted the devices and reconfigured 
them.  When I rebooted the CMM to apply the reconfiguration, the Remote BH 
power cycled at the same exact time.   This equipment has been in service for 
over 2 years and is running old firmware 9.3 on the BH20's but have never been 
a problem until now.   I even changed the passwords thinking someone might be 
accessing them and causing these issues but I'm stumped.

Craig

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Why do you assume all Mexicans are dark or brown?  Some are as white blond
and blue eyed as any from the Angelic racemy youngest brother passes
for white as does my oldest daughter... there are also black Mexicans and
even red haired with frecklestoo funny know
On Apr 7, 2016 7:48 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:

> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have
> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public
> transportation and few people own a car???
>
> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public
> transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass
> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot
> or by bike.
>
> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.
> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and
> whatever cash I had on hand.
>
> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.
>
>  -Sean
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Should they be allowed to drive?
>>
>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ
>>
>> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of
>> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to
>> obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>>
>> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
>> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
>> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
>> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
>> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
>> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
>>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
>>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
>>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
>>> otherwise.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
 Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
 racist.

 Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
 fine with that.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 
 
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
 --
 *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
 *To: *"af" 
 *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM

 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
 Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

 While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells
 me they require one of the following:

- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
Safety (DPS)
- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
- United States military identification card containing the
person’s photograph
- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
photograph
- United States passport

 Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
 anything inconsistent there.

 here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and
 there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't
 pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth
 certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're
 actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring
 someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote.

 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> The 42 member "freedom

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have
y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public
transportation and few people own a car???

I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public
transportation and didn't own a car.  It was too big of a pain in the ass
to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot
or by bike.

At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco.
Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and
whatever cash I had on hand.

Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV.

 -Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Should they be allowed to drive?
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
> 
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers toMexico - WSJ
>
> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of
> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to
> obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?
>
> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum  > wrote:
>
> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard  > wrote:
>
>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
>> otherwise.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett > > wrote:
>>
>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>>> racist.
>>>
>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>>> fine with that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" >> >
>>> *To: *"af" >
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
>>> they require one of the following:
>>>
>>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>>Safety (DPS)
>>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>>>photograph
>>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>>>photograph
>>>- United States passport
>>>
>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
>>> anything inconsistent there.
>>>
>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and
>>> there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't
>>> pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth
>>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're
>>> actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring
>>> someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett >> > wrote:
>>>
 The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers toMexico - WSJ

It's only fair, requiring a driver's license is a racist construct designed
fully to keep the minority population immobile. Minorities cannot afford
birth cirtificates, so they cannot drive to work, which is made even worse
because without a job they can't afford a car. White people don't have this
problem either because... Racism. Also cancer, cancer is a racist construct
designed to benefit white people. Since minorities can't get a photo id
because they're poor, andRacism. they are unable to buy cigarrettes, so
they don't get the luxury of lung cancer. So here's all these privileged
whites with lung cancer, getting to see oncologists. Oncologists are upper
tier healthcare practioners. It's all a racist construct to keep the darks
from getting to see upper tier practioners. Whitey is always devising ways
to keep the minorities down. Everybody deserves access to all eschelons of
healthcare That whole thing sounds as dumb as saying voter I'd is a
racist construct to suppress the colored vote.
On Apr 7, 2016 6:47 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Should they be allowed to drive?

*From:* Carl Peterson 
*Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers
toMexico - WSJ

There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of
18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to
obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?

On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
> otherwise.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>> racist.
>>
>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>> fine with that.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
>> they require one of the following:
>>
>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>Safety (DPS)
>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>>photograph
>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>>photograph
>>- United States passport
>>
>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
>> anything inconsistent there.
>>
>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there
>> is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for
>> the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to
>> get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I
>> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a
>> citizen to be eligible to vote.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
>>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
>>> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>>
>>> As for voter

Re: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

Which Generac doesn't offer on these. I don't want to piss away a 5yr 
warranty from the get-go.


On 4/7/2016 6:48 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Yes, if  you want to permanently change it over, but there are dual 
regulators and the air mixing device.


-Original Message- From: George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

OK, so apparently the regulator jet has to be swapped when changing fuel
types. As well as access to the dealer password locked section in the
controller to select NG or LP. Dumb. Oh well, we'll just order the LP
jet and keep it in a safe place.

On 4/7/2016 3:07 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

48Kw, Ford v8 on NG

Generac RTSW200A3

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:49 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

Nice. What size and which transfer switch did you use?

On 4/7/2016 2:43 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Here's our new baby.
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/ctcqnbl1cun088e/AAA19j1kF8M9gaCPX_6CVMr4a

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:29 PM, George Skorup  
wrote:

We're most likely going to get the 22kw. I believe Generac has these
newer
units set up so that all you need is to select the correct 
regulator for

the
desired fuel type. So it'd be ideal if we could just plumb two 
regulators
and some valves. Guess we'll talk to the dealer and see if we can 
make it

work.


On 4/7/2016 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Two ways.  Almost certain Generac has a dual fuel carb that will 
LP and

NG.

But you can always convert LP to work with an unaltered NG device 
with

an
air mixer.

Lots of mission critical NG installations have a large LP tank 
too with

this air mixer device.  The NG companies call them a carburetor.  I
think it
just mixes a fixed amount of air with the LP and sends it down 
the line

at
the right pressure.

-Original Message- From: George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

We're going to be putting in one of the Generac 1800RPM quiet 
models at
our office (so the neighbors won't bitch too much about the noise 
of a

3600). So here's one of the potential problems we're worried about,
because it happened. They shut off the natural gas after the tornado
last year because houses were blown away and gas was leaking 
everywhere.

If that were to happen again, then our shiny expensive new generator
will be sitting there doing nothing. So we're thinking about 
doing a LP

tank as backup, but would like to have the primary be NG. Has anyone
done this? Two regulators and valves perhaps? I don't have a problem
manually turning some valves, but I don't wanna be out there at
o'dark:30 in the rain doing plumbing.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Body recovered near Rio Grande along Border Highway | Latest News - Home

Remember what I said about water speed could be an illegal just as well
as an American who slipped in from fishing, that happened yesterday but was
rescued by other guys fishing down current,  or drunk/high or a hit...last
one was tied to gang violence on two occasions.   Water is not
deepstrong undercurrent will knock you off.   We swan the canals and
Rio as kidsyou need to go with current and get to handles on cement
every mile or so,  if not head gates... but you have to know to stay above
water... si no.. adios muchacho
On Apr 7, 2016 6:02 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

>
> http://m.kvia.com/news/body-recovered-in-rio-grande-along-border-highway/38913604
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Do you have grit?

I like that movie...
On Apr 7, 2016 5:58 PM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists"  wrote:

> Can't help it...I think of John Wayne/Rooster Cogburn anytime I hear that
> term.  :-)
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Apr 7, 2016, at 7:47 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>
> The question is whether it takes natural talent or perseverance (also
> called grit) to accomplish great (or good) things. Did Einstein figure out
> relativity because he was really smart, or because he had uncommon grit?
> This talk implies that the latter is often more important in achieving
> lofty goals.
>
> The problem is that sometimes someone with grit will continue to pursue
> things that s/he may not be able to complete. It turns out that grit and
> stubbornness may be two sides of the same coin, and when you are in the
> middle of something, it may not be possible for you to figure out which
> side of the coin you are on.
>
> This is a 29 minute podcast.
>
> 
> http://www.npr.org/2016/04/04/472162167/the-power-and-problem-of-grit
>
>
> --
>
> bp
> 
>
>
>

[AFMUG] OT Body recovered near Rio Grande along Border Highway | Latest News - Home

http://m.kvia.com/news/body-recovered-in-rio-grande-along-border-highway/38913604

Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE with VLAN on Cambium

2016-04-07 Thread heith

Thanks for the reply and the help! I was missing something small, and
overthinking something else

 

Thanks again,

 

Heith

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 11:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE with VLAN on Cambium

 

Enable VLAN on the AP, save and reboot. Set Default Port VID to the desired
VLAN ID# on the SM(s), save and reboot. That should put the PPPoE/NAT
interface on that VID. I haven't messed with NAT and VLANs on Canopy though.

The AP with VLAN enabled basically becomes a VLAN trunking device. So you
need to handle that on your switch or router. Switchport mode trunk,
encapsulation dot1q, etc. MikroTik... add VLAN sub-interfaces.

Oh, and 11.2, so this is PMP100? I would strongly advise you to get up to
13.4.1. I've been running it for about a month on a couple sites and two
weeks on the rest of the FSK network and it has been stable. I think I might
have lost the additional color codes on some SMs, but really no more issues
than that.

On 4/6/2016 9:50 PM, heith wrote:

Hello,

ï¿½

I need some configuration help on Cambium. We are wanting to configure the
Canopy subscriber module (v11.2) to be the PPPoE client and NAT the
customer's traffic from the Ethernet port. This works fine, of course, but
we need the PPPoE to be on a tagged VLAN and we're. Not quite sure how to
configure the VLANs in the AP and the SM so the SM will use the tagged VLAN
for the PPPoE. Anyone done this?

ï¿½

Thanks

Heith

Celerity Broadband

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Do you have grit?

2016-04-07 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists

Can't help it...I think of John Wayne/Rooster Cogburn anytime I hear that term. 
 :-)

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Apr 7, 2016, at 7:47 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> The question is whether it takes natural talent or perseverance (also called 
> grit) to accomplish great (or good) things. Did Einstein figure out 
> relativity because he was really smart, or because he had uncommon grit? This 
> talk implies that the latter is often more important in achieving lofty goals.
> 
> The problem is that sometimes someone with grit will continue to pursue 
> things that s/he may not be able to complete. It turns out that grit and 
> stubbornness may be two sides of the same coin, and when you are in the 
> middle of something, it may not be possible for you to figure out which side 
> of the coin you are on.
> 
> This is a 29 minute podcast.
> http://www.npr.org/2016/04/04/472162167/the-power-and-problem-of-grit
> 
> -- 
> 
> bp
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Don’t they want their $5 and a pork chop sandwich?
http://www.amazon.com/Five-Dollars-Pork-Chop-Sandwich/dp/0807076406

OK, that was Louisiana.

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 6:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

I would venture a guess that if they have no idea how to obtain an id they 
would be much less likely or inclined to register to vote so that is kind of a 
moot point

On Apr 7, 2016 6:01 PM, "Carl Peterson"  wrote:

  There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 
18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to 
obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?  

  On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they 
drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, 
have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that 
require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad 
as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can 
vote to keep your liberals in power. 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

  Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of 
Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously 
have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they 
vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. 

  On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all 
racist.

Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just 
fine with that.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money 
Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells 
me they require one of the following:

  a.. Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public 
Safety (DPS) 
  b.. Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS 
  c.. Texas personal identification card issued by DPS 
  d.. Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS 
  e.. United States military identification card containing the 
person’s photograph 
  f.. United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s 
photograph 
  g.. United States passport
Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see 
anything inconsistent there.

here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and 
there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay 
for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to 
get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I 
really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a 
citizen to be eligible to vote.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

  The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of 
gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super 
conservative "republican" could ever win.   

  As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have 
a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All the 
voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll 
tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to 
produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license 
but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state 
school.

  Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. 
Make America great?!?!

  -Sean

  On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett  wrote:

"conservative minority" HAH!

Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while 
indeed a minority fight for or against most things.

"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal 
and illegal immigration.

If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in 
Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it 
sucks.

You need an ID to do almost everything

Re: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

Yes, if  you want to permanently change it over, but there are dual 
regulators and the air mixing device.

-Original Message- 
From: George Skorup

Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

OK, so apparently the regulator jet has to be swapped when changing fuel
types. As well as access to the dealer password locked section in the
controller to select NG or LP. Dumb. Oh well, we'll just order the LP
jet and keep it in a safe place.

On 4/7/2016 3:07 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

48Kw, Ford v8 on NG

Generac RTSW200A3

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:49 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

Nice. What size and which transfer switch did you use?

On 4/7/2016 2:43 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Here's our new baby.
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/ctcqnbl1cun088e/AAA19j1kF8M9gaCPX_6CVMr4a

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:29 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

We're most likely going to get the 22kw. I believe Generac has these
newer
units set up so that all you need is to select the correct regulator 
for

the
desired fuel type. So it'd be ideal if we could just plumb two 
regulators
and some valves. Guess we'll talk to the dealer and see if we can make 
it

work.

On 4/7/2016 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Two ways.  Almost certain Generac has a dual fuel carb that will LP 
and

NG.

But you can always convert LP to work with an unaltered NG device with
an
air mixer.

Lots of mission critical NG installations have a large LP tank too 
with

this air mixer device.  The NG companies call them a carburetor.  I
think it
just mixes a fixed amount of air with the LP and sends it down the 
line

at
the right pressure.

-Original Message- From: George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

We're going to be putting in one of the Generac 1800RPM quiet models 
at

our office (so the neighbors won't bitch too much about the noise of a
3600). So here's one of the potential problems we're worried about,
because it happened. They shut off the natural gas after the tornado
last year because houses were blown away and gas was leaking 
everywhere.

If that were to happen again, then our shiny expensive new generator
will be sitting there doing nothing. So we're thinking about doing a 
LP

tank as backup, but would like to have the primary be NG. Has anyone
done this? Two regulators and valves perhaps? I don't have a problem
manually turning some valves, but I don't wanna be out there at
o'dark:30 in the rain doing plumbing.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers toMexico - WSJ

Should they be allowed to drive?

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers 
toMexico - WSJ

There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 18-20 
year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to obtain 
one.  Should they be allowed to vote?  

On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

  I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they 
drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, 
have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that 
require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad 
as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can 
vote to keep your liberals in power. 

  On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of 
Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously 
have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they 
vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all 
racist.

  Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just 
fine with that.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Mathew Howard" 
  To: "af" 
  Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers 
to Mexico - WSJ

  While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me 
they require one of the following:

a.. Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public 
Safety (DPS) 
b.. Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS 
c.. Texas personal identification card issued by DPS 
d.. Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS 
e.. United States military identification card containing the person’s 
photograph 
f.. United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s 
photograph 
g.. United States passport
  Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see 
anything inconsistent there.

  here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there 
is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the 
necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an 
ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really 
don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to 
be eligible to vote.

  On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of 
gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super 
conservative "republican" could ever win.   

As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a 
lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All the 
voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll 
tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to 
produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license 
but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state 
school.

Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. 
Make America great?!?!

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  "conservative minority" HAH!

  Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while 
indeed a minority fight for or against most things.

  "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and 
illegal immigration.

  If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in 
Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it 
sucks.

  You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should 
the most important thing be any different?

  BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical 
conversation. 

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Sean Heskett"

[AFMUG] OT: Do you have grit?



The question is whether it takes natural talent or perseverance (also 
called grit) to accomplish great (or good) things. Did Einstein figure 
out relativity because he was really smart, or because he had uncommon 
grit? This talk implies that the latter is often more important in 
achieving lofty goals.


The problem is that sometimes someone with grit will continue to pursue 
things that s/he may not be able to complete. It turns out that grit and 
stubbornness may be two sides of the same coin, and when you are in the 
middle of something, it may not be possible for you to figure out which 
side of the coin you are on.


This is a 29 minute podcast.

   http://www.npr.org/2016/04/04/472162167/the-power-and-problem-of-grit


--

bp

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

I would venture a guess that if they have no idea how to obtain an id they
would be much less likely or inclined to register to vote so that is kind
of a moot point
On Apr 7, 2016 6:01 PM, "Carl Peterson"  wrote:

> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of
> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to
> obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?
>
> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
>> otherwise.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>>> racist.
>>>
>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>>> fine with that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
>>> *To: *"af" 
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
>>> they require one of the following:
>>>
>>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>>Safety (DPS)
>>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>>>photograph
>>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>>>photograph
>>>- United States passport
>>>
>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
>>> anything inconsistent there.
>>>
>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and
>>> there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't
>>> pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth
>>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're
>>> actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring
>>> someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
 gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
 conservative "republican" could ever win.

 As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
 lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All
 the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
 "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
 need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
 fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
 issued by a state school.

 Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2.
 Make America great?!?!

 -Sean


 On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> "conservative minority" HAH!
>
> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while
> indeed a minority fight for or against most things.
>
> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and
> illegal immigration.
>

Re: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

OK, so apparently the regulator jet has to be swapped when changing fuel 
types. As well as access to the dealer password locked section in the 
controller to select NG or LP. Dumb. Oh well, we'll just order the LP 
jet and keep it in a safe place.


On 4/7/2016 3:07 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

48Kw, Ford v8 on NG

Generac RTSW200A3

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:49 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

Nice. What size and which transfer switch did you use?

On 4/7/2016 2:43 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Here's our new baby.
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/ctcqnbl1cun088e/AAA19j1kF8M9gaCPX_6CVMr4a

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:29 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

We're most likely going to get the 22kw. I believe Generac has these
newer
units set up so that all you need is to select the correct regulator for
the
desired fuel type. So it'd be ideal if we could just plumb two regulators
and some valves. Guess we'll talk to the dealer and see if we can make it
work.


On 4/7/2016 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Two ways.  Almost certain Generac has a dual fuel carb that will LP and
NG.

But you can always convert LP to work with an unaltered NG device with
an
air mixer.

Lots of mission critical NG installations have a large LP tank too with
this air mixer device.  The NG companies call them a carburetor.  I
think it
just mixes a fixed amount of air with the LP and sends it down the line
at
the right pressure.

-Original Message- From: George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

We're going to be putting in one of the Generac 1800RPM quiet models at
our office (so the neighbors won't bitch too much about the noise of a
3600). So here's one of the potential problems we're worried about,
because it happened. They shut off the natural gas after the tornado
last year because houses were blown away and gas was leaking everywhere.
If that were to happen again, then our shiny expensive new generator
will be sitting there doing nothing. So we're thinking about doing a LP
tank as backup, but would like to have the primary be NG. Has anyone
done this? Two regulators and valves perhaps? I don't have a problem
manually turning some valves, but I don't wanna be out there at
o'dark:30 in the rain doing plumbing.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

can't be any worse than some voters,if we needed intelligence and
common sense to vote, Trumps and Cruzados numbers would drop



ducking

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of
> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to
> obtain one.  Should they be allowed to vote?
>
> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
>> otherwise.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>>> racist.
>>>
>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>>> fine with that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
>>> *To: *"af" 
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
>>> they require one of the following:
>>>
>>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>>Safety (DPS)
>>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>>>photograph
>>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>>>photograph
>>>- United States passport
>>>
>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
>>> anything inconsistent there.
>>>
>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and
>>> there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't
>>> pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth
>>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're
>>> actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring
>>> someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
 gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
 conservative "republican" could ever win.

 As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
 lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All
 the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
 "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
 need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
 fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
 issued by a state school.

 Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2.
 Make America great?!?!

 -Sean


 On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> "conservative minority" HAH!
>
> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while
> indeed a minority fight for or against most things.
>
> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Carl Peterson

There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of 18-20 
year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to obtain 
one.  Should they be allowed to vote?  

> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> 
> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they 
> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, 
> have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things 
> that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just 
> as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the 
> illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. 
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of 
>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they 
>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with 
>> who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all 
>>> racist.
>>> 
>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine 
>>> with that.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "Mathew Howard" 
>>> To: "af" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
>>> Mexico - WSJ
>>> 
>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me 
>>> they require one of the following:
>>> Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS)
>>> Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>> Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>> Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>> United States military identification card containing the person’s 
>>> photograph
>>> United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph
>>> United States passport
>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see 
>>> anything inconsistent there.
>>> 
>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there 
>>> is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for 
>>> the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to 
>>> get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I 
>>> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a 
>>> citizen to be eligible to vote.
>>> 
 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
 The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of 
 gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a 
 super conservative "republican" could ever win.  
 
 As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot 
 of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All the 
 voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal 
 "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you 
 need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or 
 fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID 
 was issued by a state school.
 
 Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make 
 America great?!?!
 
 -Sean
 
 
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> "conservative minority" HAH!
> 
> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed 
> a minority fight for or against most things.
> 
> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and 
> illegal immigration.
> 
> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, 
> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.
> 
> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the 
> most important thing be any different?
> 
> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical 
> conversation. 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Sean Heskett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers 
> to Mexico - WSJ
> 
> "The Wall" is a stupid,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Okaythanks..

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Winters, and I didn't run again. Decided it was someone else's turn.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 4:25 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> yep...you are just too cool!!!   are you still mayor of Merkel?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll agree with keeping government out of the religion business no
>>> matter if it is schools or whatever. Religion is already screwed up enough
>>> without getting government involved. I guess I don't spend enough time
>>> around racist guys. What a bummer.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 4:03 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Lewis..it happens in Texas everyday.even in high school
 sportsresearch Texas AM visit by kids from Dallas, remember kid with
 clock, WestLake vs Pflugerville where N word yelled at Pflugerville team,
 Socorro Baseball State Championship game versus WestLake---calling kidsm
 beaners and wetbacks, etc...
 Hell Odessa is still pretty racistsand last year my son and I were
 having breakfast at Lori's in Midland at counter next to three gentlemen
 talking real loud about beaners and spiks, plus tearing Obama a new
 oneblah blah...until my son asked them if any of them had served in the
 military?   Nope...my son politely told he had served two tours in Iraq,
 lost good friends and could they please lower their voices as he was trying
 to enjoy his breakfast and didn't want to me to get upset.They didn't
 say a thing until we leftthe cook heard us ad our meal was free.   BTW,
 he was white.So Lewis, our state needs to progress a bit more in that
 respect...and as much as I hate to say it, my children's mom is a Perry and
 second cousin to our past governor.   That is the family secret we
 holdlike that crazy uncle everyone seems to have...even though I have
 trained my children in hand to hand self defense, I have always said
 Education is the keyThere is a school in our 2nd ward that teaches kids
 from poor neighborhood advanced studies and technology.   Their motto, "Out
 of the Barrio with an education !!"
 That is what our country needs, better educated kids with a world view
 not marred by religious zealots.   Parents should teach children about God
 and religion or send them to a private religious school, but not public
 schoolsas far as I can recall we are still have separation of Church
 and State in Constitution.   Also keep an eye out for trucks all around
 Texas with Confederate Flag, Mud Flaps, or bumper Stickers...we saw 4 in
 Amarillo this past January while working in Borger.


 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390

 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

> Jaime, you say that like it happened yesterday. Do you think that
> Texas, and by that I guess those sitting in power today, are actively
> trying to dissuade minority voting? Other than what falls under
> gerrymandering like everyone else has already mentioned.
>
> Having said that, I wish it was legal to prevent those who don't pay
> taxes from voting. Not sure anything would be different but I think if you
> are going to help decide how the money gets spent you should have to
> contribute some of it.
>
> OK. Start the all caps yelliing.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Texas has a track record of keeping African Americans and Mexican
>> Americans from voting and getting equal access to education.They used
>> all kinds of tactics including taxes to do it.   I tried telling the
>> students at Tornillo High School to study what Chicano students did in
>> California to fight for better education.  We did same in El Pasotold
>> them to register and vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go 
>> vote!
>> Guess he did something rightha
>> On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>> racist.
>>
>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>> fine with that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Winters, and I didn't run again. Decided it was someone else's turn.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 4:25 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> yep...you are just too cool!!!   are you still mayor of Merkel?
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> I'll agree with keeping government out of the religion business no matter
>> if it is schools or whatever. Religion is already screwed up enough without
>> getting government involved. I guess I don't spend enough time around
>> racist guys. What a bummer.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 4:03 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Lewis..it happens in Texas everyday.even in high school
>>> sportsresearch Texas AM visit by kids from Dallas, remember kid with
>>> clock, WestLake vs Pflugerville where N word yelled at Pflugerville team,
>>> Socorro Baseball State Championship game versus WestLake---calling kidsm
>>> beaners and wetbacks, etc...
>>> Hell Odessa is still pretty racistsand last year my son and I were
>>> having breakfast at Lori's in Midland at counter next to three gentlemen
>>> talking real loud about beaners and spiks, plus tearing Obama a new
>>> oneblah blah...until my son asked them if any of them had served in the
>>> military?   Nope...my son politely told he had served two tours in Iraq,
>>> lost good friends and could they please lower their voices as he was trying
>>> to enjoy his breakfast and didn't want to me to get upset.They didn't
>>> say a thing until we leftthe cook heard us ad our meal was free.   BTW,
>>> he was white.So Lewis, our state needs to progress a bit more in that
>>> respect...and as much as I hate to say it, my children's mom is a Perry and
>>> second cousin to our past governor.   That is the family secret we
>>> holdlike that crazy uncle everyone seems to have...even though I have
>>> trained my children in hand to hand self defense, I have always said
>>> Education is the keyThere is a school in our 2nd ward that teaches kids
>>> from poor neighborhood advanced studies and technology.   Their motto, "Out
>>> of the Barrio with an education !!"
>>> That is what our country needs, better educated kids with a world view
>>> not marred by religious zealots.   Parents should teach children about God
>>> and religion or send them to a private religious school, but not public
>>> schoolsas far as I can recall we are still have separation of Church
>>> and State in Constitution.   Also keep an eye out for trucks all around
>>> Texas with Confederate Flag, Mud Flaps, or bumper Stickers...we saw 4 in
>>> Amarillo this past January while working in Borger.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> 915-861-1390
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Jaime, you say that like it happened yesterday. Do you think that
 Texas, and by that I guess those sitting in power today, are actively
 trying to dissuade minority voting? Other than what falls under
 gerrymandering like everyone else has already mentioned.

 Having said that, I wish it was legal to prevent those who don't pay
 taxes from voting. Not sure anything would be different but I think if you
 are going to help decide how the money gets spent you should have to
 contribute some of it.

 OK. Start the all caps yelliing.

 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Texas has a track record of keeping African Americans and Mexican
> Americans from voting and getting equal access to education.They used
> all kinds of tactics including taxes to do it.   I tried telling the
> students at Tornillo High School to study what Chicano students did in
> California to fight for better education.  We did same in El Pasotold
> them to register and vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go 
> vote!
> Guess he did something rightha
> On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
> racist.
>
> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
> fine with that.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

I liked the people saying Bernie Sanders does well in mostly white states like 
Hawaii.
(Hawaii is 25% white, by far the lowest percentage white population among the 
states)
(Maine and Vermont are the highest at 95%)
(Maine however may change, given all those drug dealers named D-Money, Smoothie 
and Shifty impregnating their young white girls)

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 4:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

I'll agree with keeping government out of the religion business no matter if it 
is schools or whatever. Religion is already screwed up enough without getting 
government involved. I guess I don't spend enough time around racist guys. What 
a bummer.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 4:03 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  Lewis..it happens in Texas everyday.even in high school 
sportsresearch Texas AM visit by kids from Dallas, remember kid with clock, 
WestLake vs Pflugerville where N word yelled at Pflugerville team, Socorro 
Baseball State Championship game versus WestLake---calling kidsm beaners and 
wetbacks, etc... 
  Hell Odessa is still pretty racistsand last year my son and I were having 
breakfast at Lori's in Midland at counter next to three gentlemen talking real 
loud about beaners and spiks, plus tearing Obama a new oneblah blah...until 
my son asked them if any of them had served in the military?   Nope...my son 
politely told he had served two tours in Iraq, lost good friends and could they 
please lower their voices as he was trying to enjoy his breakfast and didn't 
want to me to get upset.They didn't say a thing until we leftthe cook 
heard us ad our meal was free.   BTW, he was white.So Lewis, our state 
needs to progress a bit more in that respect...and as much as I hate to say it, 
my children's mom is a Perry and second cousin to our past governor.   That is 
the family secret we holdlike that crazy uncle everyone seems to 
have...even though I have trained my children in hand to hand self defense, I 
have always said Education is the keyThere is a school in our 2nd ward that 
teaches kids from poor neighborhood advanced studies and technology.   Their 
motto, "Out of the Barrio with an education !!"
  That is what our country needs, better educated kids with a world view not 
marred by religious zealots.   Parents should teach children about God and 
religion or send them to a private religious school, but not public 
schoolsas far as I can recall we are still have separation of Church and 
State in Constitution.   Also keep an eye out for trucks all around Texas with 
Confederate Flag, Mud Flaps, or bumper Stickers...we saw 4 in Amarillo this 
past January while working in Borger.


  Jaime Solorza 
  Wireless Systems Architect
  915-861-1390

  On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Lewis Bergman  
wrote:

Jaime, you say that like it happened yesterday. Do you think that Texas, 
and by that I guess those sitting in power today, are actively trying to 
dissuade minority voting? Other than what falls under gerrymandering like 
everyone else has already mentioned. 

Having said that, I wish it was legal to prevent those who don't pay taxes 
from voting. Not sure anything would be different but I think if you are going 
to help decide how the money gets spent you should have to contribute some of 
it. 

OK. Start the all caps yelliing.


On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  Texas has a track record of keeping African Americans and Mexican 
Americans from voting and getting equal access to education.They used all 
kinds of tactics including taxes to do it.   I tried telling the students at 
Tornillo High School to study what Chicano students did in California to fight 
for better education.  We did same in El Pasotold them to register and 
vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go vote! Guess he did something 
rightha 

  On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all 
racist.

Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just 
fine with that. 





-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money 
Transfers to Mexico - WSJ


While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells 
me they require one of the following:

  a.. Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public 
Safety

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

yep...you are just too cool!!!   are you still mayor of Merkel?

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I'll agree with keeping government out of the religion business no matter
> if it is schools or whatever. Religion is already screwed up enough without
> getting government involved. I guess I don't spend enough time around
> racist guys. What a bummer.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 4:03 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Lewis..it happens in Texas everyday.even in high school
>> sportsresearch Texas AM visit by kids from Dallas, remember kid with
>> clock, WestLake vs Pflugerville where N word yelled at Pflugerville team,
>> Socorro Baseball State Championship game versus WestLake---calling kidsm
>> beaners and wetbacks, etc...
>> Hell Odessa is still pretty racistsand last year my son and I were
>> having breakfast at Lori's in Midland at counter next to three gentlemen
>> talking real loud about beaners and spiks, plus tearing Obama a new
>> oneblah blah...until my son asked them if any of them had served in the
>> military?   Nope...my son politely told he had served two tours in Iraq,
>> lost good friends and could they please lower their voices as he was trying
>> to enjoy his breakfast and didn't want to me to get upset.They didn't
>> say a thing until we leftthe cook heard us ad our meal was free.   BTW,
>> he was white.So Lewis, our state needs to progress a bit more in that
>> respect...and as much as I hate to say it, my children's mom is a Perry and
>> second cousin to our past governor.   That is the family secret we
>> holdlike that crazy uncle everyone seems to have...even though I have
>> trained my children in hand to hand self defense, I have always said
>> Education is the keyThere is a school in our 2nd ward that teaches kids
>> from poor neighborhood advanced studies and technology.   Their motto, "Out
>> of the Barrio with an education !!"
>> That is what our country needs, better educated kids with a world view
>> not marred by religious zealots.   Parents should teach children about God
>> and religion or send them to a private religious school, but not public
>> schoolsas far as I can recall we are still have separation of Church
>> and State in Constitution.   Also keep an eye out for trucks all around
>> Texas with Confederate Flag, Mud Flaps, or bumper Stickers...we saw 4 in
>> Amarillo this past January while working in Borger.
>>
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jaime, you say that like it happened yesterday. Do you think that Texas,
>>> and by that I guess those sitting in power today, are actively trying to
>>> dissuade minority voting? Other than what falls under gerrymandering like
>>> everyone else has already mentioned.
>>>
>>> Having said that, I wish it was legal to prevent those who don't pay
>>> taxes from voting. Not sure anything would be different but I think if you
>>> are going to help decide how the money gets spent you should have to
>>> contribute some of it.
>>>
>>> OK. Start the all caps yelliing.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Texas has a track record of keeping African Americans and Mexican
 Americans from voting and getting equal access to education.They used
 all kinds of tactics including taxes to do it.   I tried telling the
 students at Tornillo High School to study what Chicano students did in
 California to fight for better education.  We did same in El Pasotold
 them to register and vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go vote!
 Guess he did something rightha
 On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

 Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
 racist.

 Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
 fine with that.




 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 
 
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
 --
 *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
 *To: *"af" 
 *Sent: *Thursday,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

I'll agree with keeping government out of the religion business no matter
if it is schools or whatever. Religion is already screwed up enough without
getting government involved. I guess I don't spend enough time around
racist guys. What a bummer.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 4:03 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Lewis..it happens in Texas everyday.even in high school
> sportsresearch Texas AM visit by kids from Dallas, remember kid with
> clock, WestLake vs Pflugerville where N word yelled at Pflugerville team,
> Socorro Baseball State Championship game versus WestLake---calling kidsm
> beaners and wetbacks, etc...
> Hell Odessa is still pretty racistsand last year my son and I were
> having breakfast at Lori's in Midland at counter next to three gentlemen
> talking real loud about beaners and spiks, plus tearing Obama a new
> oneblah blah...until my son asked them if any of them had served in the
> military?   Nope...my son politely told he had served two tours in Iraq,
> lost good friends and could they please lower their voices as he was trying
> to enjoy his breakfast and didn't want to me to get upset.They didn't
> say a thing until we leftthe cook heard us ad our meal was free.   BTW,
> he was white.So Lewis, our state needs to progress a bit more in that
> respect...and as much as I hate to say it, my children's mom is a Perry and
> second cousin to our past governor.   That is the family secret we
> holdlike that crazy uncle everyone seems to have...even though I have
> trained my children in hand to hand self defense, I have always said
> Education is the keyThere is a school in our 2nd ward that teaches kids
> from poor neighborhood advanced studies and technology.   Their motto, "Out
> of the Barrio with an education !!"
> That is what our country needs, better educated kids with a world view not
> marred by religious zealots.   Parents should teach children about God and
> religion or send them to a private religious school, but not public
> schoolsas far as I can recall we are still have separation of Church
> and State in Constitution.   Also keep an eye out for trucks all around
> Texas with Confederate Flag, Mud Flaps, or bumper Stickers...we saw 4 in
> Amarillo this past January while working in Borger.
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> Jaime, you say that like it happened yesterday. Do you think that Texas,
>> and by that I guess those sitting in power today, are actively trying to
>> dissuade minority voting? Other than what falls under gerrymandering like
>> everyone else has already mentioned.
>>
>> Having said that, I wish it was legal to prevent those who don't pay
>> taxes from voting. Not sure anything would be different but I think if you
>> are going to help decide how the money gets spent you should have to
>> contribute some of it.
>>
>> OK. Start the all caps yelliing.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Texas has a track record of keeping African Americans and Mexican
>>> Americans from voting and getting equal access to education.They used
>>> all kinds of tactics including taxes to do it.   I tried telling the
>>> students at Tornillo High School to study what Chicano students did in
>>> California to fight for better education.  We did same in El Pasotold
>>> them to register and vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go vote!
>>> Guess he did something rightha
>>> On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>>> racist.
>>>
>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>>> fine with that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
>>> *To: *"af" 
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
>>> they require one of the following:
>>>
>>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Lewis..it happens in Texas everyday.even in high school
sportsresearch Texas AM visit by kids from Dallas, remember kid with
clock, WestLake vs Pflugerville where N word yelled at Pflugerville team,
Socorro Baseball State Championship game versus WestLake---calling kidsm
beaners and wetbacks, etc...
Hell Odessa is still pretty racistsand last year my son and I were
having breakfast at Lori's in Midland at counter next to three gentlemen
talking real loud about beaners and spiks, plus tearing Obama a new
oneblah blah...until my son asked them if any of them had served in the
military?   Nope...my son politely told he had served two tours in Iraq,
lost good friends and could they please lower their voices as he was trying
to enjoy his breakfast and didn't want to me to get upset.They didn't
say a thing until we leftthe cook heard us ad our meal was free.   BTW,
he was white.So Lewis, our state needs to progress a bit more in that
respect...and as much as I hate to say it, my children's mom is a Perry and
second cousin to our past governor.   That is the family secret we
holdlike that crazy uncle everyone seems to have...even though I have
trained my children in hand to hand self defense, I have always said
Education is the keyThere is a school in our 2nd ward that teaches kids
from poor neighborhood advanced studies and technology.   Their motto, "Out
of the Barrio with an education !!"
That is what our country needs, better educated kids with a world view not
marred by religious zealots.   Parents should teach children about God and
religion or send them to a private religious school, but not public
schoolsas far as I can recall we are still have separation of Church
and State in Constitution.   Also keep an eye out for trucks all around
Texas with Confederate Flag, Mud Flaps, or bumper Stickers...we saw 4 in
Amarillo this past January while working in Borger.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Jaime, you say that like it happened yesterday. Do you think that Texas,
> and by that I guess those sitting in power today, are actively trying to
> dissuade minority voting? Other than what falls under gerrymandering like
> everyone else has already mentioned.
>
> Having said that, I wish it was legal to prevent those who don't pay taxes
> from voting. Not sure anything would be different but I think if you are
> going to help decide how the money gets spent you should have to contribute
> some of it.
>
> OK. Start the all caps yelliing.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Texas has a track record of keeping African Americans and Mexican
>> Americans from voting and getting equal access to education.They used
>> all kinds of tactics including taxes to do it.   I tried telling the
>> students at Tornillo High School to study what Chicano students did in
>> California to fight for better education.  We did same in El Pasotold
>> them to register and vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go vote!
>> Guess he did something rightha
>> On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>> racist.
>>
>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>> fine with that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
>> they require one of the following:
>>
>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>Safety (DPS)
>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>>photograph
>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>>photograph
>>- United States passport
>>
>> Those are all government

Re: [AFMUG] 9 sectors @ 40*

2016-04-07 Thread Chris Wright


Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 8:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 9 sectors @ 40*

Even at 60*its possible ;)

-Sean

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Scott Vander Dussen 
> wrote:
450 APs, 9x 40* sectors.  Is ABCABCABC channel reuse realistic?

Thanks,
Scott

Re: [AFMUG] Kodi / http media streams

2016-04-07 Thread Paul Stewart

Exactly … the big thing in my area is BEV and DT – have seen a few people who 
have both will all channels running.. but they are not getting their updates 
through some online forum or whatever – it’s become much more true underground 
trading kind of like how warez used to be done back in the day 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kodi / http media streams

FTA boxes and card sharing is it anymore.  Still no decryption of Nagra3 or DTV 
in the public realm.  Looks like they made a little headway with Nagra3 
overseas though.  Navi-X is pretty crazy though in Kodi, I just watched a 
YouTube on it.  I'm not sure how they are pulling that off.  It seems like all 
of these Kodi add-ons kind of made conditional access module decryption 
obsolete.  If anyone does have the streams decrypted they are keeping it 
private.  Who can blame them?  Everyone got hit hard and paid big fines or went 
to prison.  My old boss paid the DirecTV extortion after getting 'the letter'.  
It was more about the excitement, the learning, the hobby, and the community.  
It really wasn't worth the massive amount of time involved just to save a 
couple hundred bucks a month.  Once the community fell apart (got busted and 
domains seized), it wasn't fun anymore.  Nowadays I'm happy with my few OTA 
channels, Hulu, Netflix, and just added HBO Now.  Sesame Street, John Oliver, 
and Game of Thrones sealed the deal on that one.  We get more DMCA takedown 
notices for GoT than anything else.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Chuck Hogg  > wrote:

It's still going.

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Jeremy  > wrote:

Still around where?  I still check in from time to time and I haven't seen any 
public hacks other than the music channels.  Point me toward a forum that I'm 
not aware of.  Sat decryption pretty much died when they raided everyone at The 
Pirate Den back in 2003, and subsequently swapped out the P3 and Rom103 cards, 
upgrading the streams to mpeg4.

On Apr 6, 2016 7:31 PM, "Paul Stewart"  > wrote:

Reminds me of the pirated satellite stuff that was super popular for a number 
of years.. still around to some degree but much less mainstream – everything 
thought it was fine to pirate the TV signals too ;)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 5:41 PM

To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kodi / http media streams

One potential new customer mentioned they wanted internet so they could get a 
"Jesus Box." Yes she confirmed we heard right. Said you buy the box for $225 
and get HBO, Showtime and all your TV for free. You just have to buy the box. I 
laughed. Why do people think they can get a paid service for free and it's 
legal? She was convinced. I asked her if she thought HBO knew about this 
"service" and she didn't have an answer.

-Ty

-Ty

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Paul Stewart  > wrote:

Haven’t seen one that gives away Netflix for free … but lots of other “grey” 
content for sure including new movies, live sports etc…. 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 11:36 AM

To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kodi / http media streams

Melzertv.com is another.  A guy we used to do IT work for got one from a buddy 
of his in Canada.  Says he gets Netflix for free on it.  I told him that I 
don’t think Netflix would agree that it’s legal…..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kodi / http media streams

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-electronique/gatineau/m8s-tv-box-fully-configured-wireless-mouse/1153242181?null

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Micah Miller
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kodi / http media streams

Anyone got a link to one?

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Paul Stewart  > wrote:
> The android based boxes are everywhere here in Canada now … people 
> buying them up like crazy – basically preloaded Android boxes with 
> Kodi and lots of “addons” that allow folks to get lots of questionable 
> content …
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Greg Osborn
> Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 10:24 AM
> To: af@afmug.com  
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kodi / http media streams
>
>
>
> If it isn’t a problem now, it will be. The streams aren’t nearly as 
> efficient as Netflix. Programming

Re: [AFMUG] Kodi / http media streams

2016-04-07 Thread Paul Stewart

I wouldn’t post it to a mailing list but I still know some folks who are 
getting updates that are working …. A small number compared to the way it used 
to be though, especially since Nagravision had updates and stuff…   of course 
there’s lots of scams out there I’m sure too more than ever :)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 9:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kodi / http media streams

Still around where?  I still check in from time to time and I haven't seen any 
public hacks other than the music channels.  Point me toward a forum that I'm 
not aware of.  Sat decryption pretty much died when they raided everyone at The 
Pirate Den back in 2003, and subsequently swapped out the P3 and Rom103 cards, 
upgrading the streams to mpeg4.

On Apr 6, 2016 7:31 PM, "Paul Stewart"  > wrote:

Reminds me of the pirated satellite stuff that was super popular for a number 
of years.. still around to some degree but much less mainstream – everything 
thought it was fine to pirate the TV signals too ;)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Ty Featherling
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 5:41 PM

To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kodi / http media streams

One potential new customer mentioned they wanted internet so they could get a 
"Jesus Box." Yes she confirmed we heard right. Said you buy the box for $225 
and get HBO, Showtime and all your TV for free. You just have to buy the box. I 
laughed. Why do people think they can get a paid service for free and it's 
legal? She was convinced. I asked her if she thought HBO knew about this 
"service" and she didn't have an answer.

-Ty

-Ty

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Paul Stewart  > wrote:

Haven’t seen one that gives away Netflix for free … but lots of other “grey” 
content for sure including new movies, live sports etc…. 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 11:36 AM

To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kodi / http media streams

Melzertv.com is another.  A guy we used to do IT work for got one from a buddy 
of his in Canada.  Says he gets Netflix for free on it.  I told him that I 
don’t think Netflix would agree that it’s legal…..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kodi / http media streams

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-electronique/gatineau/m8s-tv-box-fully-configured-wireless-mouse/1153242181?null

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Micah Miller
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kodi / http media streams

Anyone got a link to one?

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Paul Stewart  > wrote:
> The android based boxes are everywhere here in Canada now … people 
> buying them up like crazy – basically preloaded Android boxes with 
> Kodi and lots of “addons” that allow folks to get lots of questionable 
> content …
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Greg Osborn
> Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 10:24 AM
> To: af@afmug.com  
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kodi / http media streams
>
>
>
> If it isn’t a problem now, it will be. The streams aren’t nearly as 
> efficient as Netflix. Programming seems to be lacking in US 
> programming and more focused to Europe and Canada.
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 10:23 PM
> To: af@afmug.com  
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Kodi / http media streams
>
>
>
> Canadian issue :)
>
> On Apr 4, 2016 8:47 PM, "Andreas Wiatowski"   >
> wrote:
>
> I’m not sure if you run into this in the USA…. But it seems that KODI 
> / XBMC traffic is almost on par with Netflix on our network (About a 
> 100Mbps difference in favour of Netflix.). Are others here seeing 
> this trend? Or is this just a Canadian problem?
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
>
> Silo Wireless Inc.
>
> 519-449-5656 x-600  
>
>

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Network Business Systems, Inc.
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Re: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

48Kw, Ford v8 on NG

Generac RTSW200A3

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:49 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> Nice. What size and which transfer switch did you use?
>
> On 4/7/2016 2:43 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> Here's our new baby.
>> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/ctcqnbl1cun088e/AAA19j1kF8M9gaCPX_6CVMr4a
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:29 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>>>
>>> We're most likely going to get the 22kw. I believe Generac has these
>>> newer
>>> units set up so that all you need is to select the correct regulator for
>>> the
>>> desired fuel type. So it'd be ideal if we could just plumb two regulators
>>> and some valves. Guess we'll talk to the dealer and see if we can make it
>>> work.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/7/2016 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

 Two ways.  Almost certain Generac has a dual fuel carb that will LP and
 NG.

 But you can always convert LP to work with an unaltered NG device with
 an
 air mixer.

 Lots of mission critical NG installations have a large LP tank too with
 this air mixer device.  The NG companies call them a carburetor.  I
 think it
 just mixes a fixed amount of air with the LP and sends it down the line
 at
 the right pressure.

 -Original Message- From: George Skorup
 Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:04 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

 We're going to be putting in one of the Generac 1800RPM quiet models at
 our office (so the neighbors won't bitch too much about the noise of a
 3600). So here's one of the potential problems we're worried about,
 because it happened. They shut off the natural gas after the tornado
 last year because houses were blown away and gas was leaking everywhere.
 If that were to happen again, then our shiny expensive new generator
 will be sitting there doing nothing. So we're thinking about doing a LP
 tank as backup, but would like to have the primary be NG. Has anyone
 done this? Two regulators and valves perhaps? I don't have a problem
 manually turning some valves, but I don't wanna be out there at
 o'dark:30 in the rain doing plumbing.
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?


Nice. What size and which transfer switch did you use?

On 4/7/2016 2:43 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Here's our new baby.
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/ctcqnbl1cun088e/AAA19j1kF8M9gaCPX_6CVMr4a

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:29 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

We're most likely going to get the 22kw. I believe Generac has these newer
units set up so that all you need is to select the correct regulator for the
desired fuel type. So it'd be ideal if we could just plumb two regulators
and some valves. Guess we'll talk to the dealer and see if we can make it
work.


On 4/7/2016 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Two ways.  Almost certain Generac has a dual fuel carb that will LP and
NG.

But you can always convert LP to work with an unaltered NG device with an
air mixer.

Lots of mission critical NG installations have a large LP tank too with
this air mixer device.  The NG companies call them a carburetor.  I think it
just mixes a fixed amount of air with the LP and sends it down the line at
the right pressure.

-Original Message- From: George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

We're going to be putting in one of the Generac 1800RPM quiet models at
our office (so the neighbors won't bitch too much about the noise of a
3600). So here's one of the potential problems we're worried about,
because it happened. They shut off the natural gas after the tornado
last year because houses were blown away and gas was leaking everywhere.
If that were to happen again, then our shiny expensive new generator
will be sitting there doing nothing. So we're thinking about doing a LP
tank as backup, but would like to have the primary be NG. Has anyone
done this? Two regulators and valves perhaps? I don't have a problem
manually turning some valves, but I don't wanna be out there at
o'dark:30 in the rain doing plumbing.

Re: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

Here's our new baby.
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/ctcqnbl1cun088e/AAA19j1kF8M9gaCPX_6CVMr4a

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:29 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> We're most likely going to get the 22kw. I believe Generac has these newer
> units set up so that all you need is to select the correct regulator for the
> desired fuel type. So it'd be ideal if we could just plumb two regulators
> and some valves. Guess we'll talk to the dealer and see if we can make it
> work.
>
>
> On 4/7/2016 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Two ways.  Almost certain Generac has a dual fuel carb that will LP and
>> NG.
>>
>> But you can always convert LP to work with an unaltered NG device with an
>> air mixer.
>>
>> Lots of mission critical NG installations have a large LP tank too with
>> this air mixer device.  The NG companies call them a carburetor.  I think it
>> just mixes a fixed amount of air with the LP and sends it down the line at
>> the right pressure.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: George Skorup
>> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:04 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?
>>
>> We're going to be putting in one of the Generac 1800RPM quiet models at
>> our office (so the neighbors won't bitch too much about the noise of a
>> 3600). So here's one of the potential problems we're worried about,
>> because it happened. They shut off the natural gas after the tornado
>> last year because houses were blown away and gas was leaking everywhere.
>> If that were to happen again, then our shiny expensive new generator
>> will be sitting there doing nothing. So we're thinking about doing a LP
>> tank as backup, but would like to have the primary be NG. Has anyone
>> done this? Two regulators and valves perhaps? I don't have a problem
>> manually turning some valves, but I don't wanna be out there at
>> o'dark:30 in the rain doing plumbing.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

We're most likely going to get the 22kw. I believe Generac has these 
newer units set up so that all you need is to select the correct 
regulator for the desired fuel type. So it'd be ideal if we could just 
plumb two regulators and some valves. Guess we'll talk to the dealer and 
see if we can make it work.


On 4/7/2016 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Two ways.  Almost certain Generac has a dual fuel carb that will LP 
and NG.


But you can always convert LP to work with an unaltered NG device with 
an air mixer.


Lots of mission critical NG installations have a large LP tank too 
with this air mixer device.  The NG companies call them a carburetor.  
I think it just mixes a fixed amount of air with the LP and sends it 
down the line at the right pressure.


-Original Message- From: George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

We're going to be putting in one of the Generac 1800RPM quiet models at
our office (so the neighbors won't bitch too much about the noise of a
3600). So here's one of the potential problems we're worried about,
because it happened. They shut off the natural gas after the tornado
last year because houses were blown away and gas was leaking everywhere.
If that were to happen again, then our shiny expensive new generator
will be sitting there doing nothing. So we're thinking about doing a LP
tank as backup, but would like to have the primary be NG. Has anyone
done this? Two regulators and valves perhaps? I don't have a problem
manually turning some valves, but I don't wanna be out there at
o'dark:30 in the rain doing plumbing.

Re: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

2016-04-07 Thread Tim Reichhart

here is an kit: http://www.propane-generators.com/tri-fuel_kits.php

-Original Message- 
> From: "Chuck McCown"  
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Date: 04/07/16 03:13 PM 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset? 
> 
> Two ways.  Almost certain Generac has a dual fuel carb that will LP and NG.
> 
> But you can always convert LP to work with an unaltered NG device with an 
> air mixer.
> 
> Lots of mission critical NG installations have a large LP tank too with this 
> air mixer device.  The NG companies call them a carburetor.  I think it just 
> mixes a fixed amount of air with the LP and sends it down the line at the 
> right pressure.
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: George Skorup
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:04 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?
> 
> We're going to be putting in one of the Generac 1800RPM quiet models at
> our office (so the neighbors won't bitch too much about the noise of a
> 3600). So here's one of the potential problems we're worried about,
> because it happened. They shut off the natural gas after the tornado
> last year because houses were blown away and gas was leaking everywhere.
> If that were to happen again, then our shiny expensive new generator
> will be sitting there doing nothing. So we're thinking about doing a LP
> tank as backup, but would like to have the primary be NG. Has anyone
> done this? Two regulators and valves perhaps? I don't have a problem
> manually turning some valves, but I don't wanna be out there at
> o'dark:30 in the rain doing plumbing.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

And what does that have to do with voter disenfranchisement? If the
argument is that the poor are affected by this, then there should be twice
as many white people complaining about it as black people. If the idea is
that we can somehow "keep blacks from voting" by making it economically
hard to do so, then you would affect twice as many whites as blacks. That
would be counterproductive from a racial standpoint if race was the
motivation. These cases and stories are cherry picked for maximum racial
drama. When you dig into it, I'd bet there are very few people who couldn't
legitimately obtain the necessary id. Election dates don't move and
typically these laws are enacted over a time period so nobody is taken by
surprise. If you just moved or are college student from another town, it is
your responsibility to make sure you are eligible to vote in your new
residence if it is that important to you. Again, it is no surprise that you
can't vote outside of where you told the government you reside.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> You can read those statistics a couple of ways. Sure, there are almost
> twice as many poor whites as poor blacks.
>
> But if you're black, you're 2-1/2 times as likely to be poor.
>
> You shouldn't discriminate against blacks just because there aren't as
> many of them.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/7/2016 11:33 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> That is patently false. There are far more poor white people than poor
> black people. Now the percentage of blacks as a group might be higher than
> the percentage of whites as a group (26% vs 10%), but the facts are that
> there are more poor whites. In fact there are almost double the amount of
> poor whites as poor blacks (19.7m vs 10.8m). So, where are all the stories
> of disenfranchised white poor people?
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Well the "premiss" of these laws it to prevent fraud.  What actually
>> happens because of the way they are written is that young and poor people
>> end up having problems voting.
>>
>> I shouldn't have said black I should have said poor.  Not all black
>> people are poor and not all poor people are black.  But the majority of
>> people below the poverty line happen to be black.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Jay Weekley < 
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites?
>>>
>>> Sean Heskett wrote:
>>>
 Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the
 student and black vote.

 Yay 'Merica 

 http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/

 -Sean

 On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard > wrote:

 While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google
 tells me they require one of the following:

   * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
 Safety (DPS)
   * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
   * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
   * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
   * United States military identification card containing the
 person’s photograph
   * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
 photograph
   * United States passport

 Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't
 really see anything inconsistent there.

 here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable...
 and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if
 you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as
 requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go
 about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see
 anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen
 to be eligible to vote.

 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett > wrote:

 The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists
 because of gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so
 skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever
 win.

 As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee
 ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the
 fraud is less than .01%.  All the voter ID laws are designed
 to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax".  Oh
 sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need
 to produce costs money.  Also in

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers toMexico - WSJ

"What is poor?  If you have hot and cold running water, electricity, color
TV and a microwave you are not poor (compared to parts of the world where
real poverty exists)."


This

"If you have hot and cold running water, electricity, color TV and a
microwave you are not poor (compared to parts of the world where real
poverty exists)."

again


"parts of the world where real poverty exists"

that


our poorest do not know what poverty actually is

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> If they would announce themselves when they arrived then I wouldn't shoot
> at them.
>
> Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
>> You never hear about the poor white people because every time someone
>> tries to get to their trailer house behind all the weeds and broken cars
>> they get shot at. Reporters, not wanting to be thought of as a cowardly
>> group, insist that such a thing doesn't exist.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:43 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists > > wrote:
>>
>> image1.png
>>
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 2:41 PM, Chuck McCown > > wrote:
>>
>> Fairly well distributed as far as absolute numbers go.
>>> White 19,796,700
>>> Black  10,145,200
>>> Hispanic  13,214,100
>>> But by percentage:
>>> 10%
>>> 26%
>>> 24%
>>> What is poor?  If you have hot and cold running water,
>>> electricity, color TV and a microwave you are not poor (compared
>>> to parts of the world where real poverty exists).
>>> From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:37 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ
>>> I was wondering about that also, so I looked it up:
>>> http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity/
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 
>>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Cameron Crum >> > wrote:
>>> That is patently false. There are far more poor white people than
>>> poor black people. Now the percentage of blacks as a group might
>>> be higher than the percentage of whites as a group (26% vs 10%),
>>> but the facts are that there are more poor whites. In fact there
>>> are almost double the amount of poor whites as poor blacks (19.7m
>>> vs 10.8m). So, where are all the stories of disenfranchised white
>>> poor people?
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett >> > wrote:
>>> Well the "premiss" of these laws it to prevent fraud.  What
>>> actually happens because of the way they are written is that
>>> young and poor people end up having problems voting.
>>> I shouldn't have said black I should have said poor.  Not all
>>> black people are poor and not all poor people are black.  But the
>>> majority of people below the poverty line happen to be black.
>>> -Sean
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Jay Weekley
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>> Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites?
>>> Sean Heskett wrote:
>>> Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the
>>> student and black vote.
>>> Yay 'Merica 
>>>
>>> http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/
>>> -Sean
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard >>  > wrote:
>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google
>>> tells me they require one of the following:
>>>   * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>> Safety (DPS)
>>>   * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>>   * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>>   * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>>   * United States military identification card containing the
>>> person’s photograph
>>>   * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>>> photograph
>>>   * United States passport
>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't
>>> really see anything inconsistent there.
>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable...
>>> and there is a process for obtaining

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers toMexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Jay Weekley

If they would announce themselves when they arrived then I wouldn't 
shoot at them.


Lewis Bergman wrote:
You never hear about the poor white people because every time someone 
tries to get to their trailer house behind all the weeds and broken 
cars they get shot at. Reporters, not wanting to be thought of as a 
cowardly group, insist that such a thing doesn't exist.


On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:43 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> wrote:


image1.png


Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 

On Apr 7, 2016, at 2:41 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


Fairly well distributed as far as absolute numbers go.
White 19,796,700
Black  10,145,200
Hispanic  13,214,100
But by percentage:
10%
26%
24%
What is poor?  If you have hot and cold running water,
electricity, color TV and a microwave you are not poor (compared
to parts of the world where real poverty exists).
From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
Transfers toMexico - WSJ
I was wondering about that also, so I looked it up:
http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity/
Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 
On Apr 7, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Cameron Crum > wrote:
That is patently false. There are far more poor white people than
poor black people. Now the percentage of blacks as a group might
be higher than the percentage of whites as a group (26% vs 10%),
but the facts are that there are more poor whites. In fact there
are almost double the amount of poor whites as poor blacks (19.7m
vs 10.8m). So, where are all the stories of disenfranchised white
poor people?
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett > wrote:
Well the "premiss" of these laws it to prevent fraud.  What
actually happens because of the way they are written is that
young and poor people end up having problems voting.
I shouldn't have said black I should have said poor.  Not all
black people are poor and not all poor people are black.  But the
majority of people below the poverty line happen to be black.
-Sean
On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Jay Weekley
> wrote:
Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites?
Sean Heskett wrote:
Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the
student and black vote.
Yay 'Merica 

http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/
-Sean
On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard  > wrote:
While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google
tells me they require one of the following:
  * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
Safety (DPS)
  * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
  * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
  * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
  * United States military identification card containing the
person’s photograph
  * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
photograph
  * United States passport
Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't
really see anything inconsistent there.
here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable...
and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely
free if
you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as
requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go
about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see
anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a
citizen
to be eligible to vote.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett

');>> wrote:
The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists
because of gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so
skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever
win.
As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee

Re: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

2016-04-07 Thread Tim Reichhart

There is but I think you can get an conversion kits to do it.

Tim

-Original Message- 
> From: "Bill Prince"  
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Date: 04/07/16 02:57 PM 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset? 
> 
> There is such a thing as a tri-fuel generator (gasoline, LP, & NG), or 
> at least there used to be. So I would think that just switching between 
> LP and NG would be do-able. I don't know of any off the top of my head, 
> but I would probably ask someone at Generac.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 4/7/2016 11:04 AM, George Skorup wrote:
> > We're going to be putting in one of the Generac 1800RPM quiet models 
> > at our office (so the neighbors won't bitch too much about the noise 
> > of a 3600). So here's one of the potential problems we're worried 
> > about, because it happened. They shut off the natural gas after the 
> > tornado last year because houses were blown away and gas was leaking 
> > everywhere. If that were to happen again, then our shiny expensive new 
> > generator will be sitting there doing nothing. So we're thinking about 
> > doing a LP tank as backup, but would like to have the primary be NG. 
> > Has anyone done this? Two regulators and valves perhaps? I don't have 
> > a problem manually turning some valves, but I don't wanna be out there 
> > at o'dark:30 in the rain doing plumbing.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Ha! Could be!

bp

On 4/7/2016 11:42 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I think they say the same about Republicans in NY don't they?

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:34 PM Bill Prince > wrote:

A Democrat in Texas would be called a Republican in most other states.

bp

On 4/7/2016 10:05 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

The same can be said about Democrats wherever you find them.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Jaime Solorza
> wrote:

Texas Republicans will try whatever they can get to keep from
losing their power but if they keep pushing, they will
wake up the sleeping giant.

On Apr 7, 2016 10:28 AM, "Mike Hammett" > wrote:

The only people that like gerrymandering are the people
in office. Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological.
Both sides do it. Both sides suck because of it.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

*From: *"Sean Heskett" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might
Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists
because of gerrymandering.  They are in districts that
are so skewed that only a super conservative "republican"
could ever win.

As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee
ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting
the fraud is less than .01%.  All the voter ID laws are
designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
"poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth
certificate you need to produce costs money. Also in
texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you
can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
issued by a state school.

Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are
1. Fair 2. Make America great?!?!

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett
> wrote:

"conservative minority" HAH!

Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a
shit less, while indeed a minority fight for or
against most things.

"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference
between legal and illegal immigration.

If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering
districts in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at
it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.

You need an ID to do almost everything else in your
life, why should the most important thing be any
different?

BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a
mostly logical conversation.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

*From: *"Sean Heskett"

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers toMexico - WSJ

Fairly well distributed as far as absolute numbers go.  
White 19,796,700 
Black  10,145,200 
Hispanic  13,214,100 

But by percentage:
10% 
26% 
24% 

What is poor?  If you have hot and cold running water, electricity, color TV 
and a microwave you are not poor (compared to parts of the world where real 
poverty exists).  

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers 
toMexico - WSJ

I was wondering about that also, so I looked it up:

http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity/

Jeff Broadwick 
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Apr 7, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:


That is patently false. There are far more poor white people than poor black 
people. Now the percentage of blacks as a group might be higher than the 
percentage of whites as a group (26% vs 10%), but the facts are that there are 
more poor whites. In fact there are almost double the amount of poor whites as 
poor blacks (19.7m vs 10.8m). So, where are all the stories of disenfranchised 
white poor people?

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
Well the "premiss" of these laws it to prevent fraud.  What actually happens 
because of the way they are written is that young and poor people end up having 
problems voting.   

I shouldn't have said black I should have said poor.  Not all black people are 
poor and not all poor people are black.  But the majority of people below the 
poverty line happen to be black.  



-Sean  


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Jay Weekley  wrote:
Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites?

Sean Heskett wrote:
Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the student and 
black vote.

Yay 'Merica 
http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/

-Sean


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard > wrote:

While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google
tells me they require one of the following:

  * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
Safety (DPS)
  * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
  * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
  * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
  * United States military identification card containing the
person’s photograph
  * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
photograph
  * United States passport

Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't
really see anything inconsistent there.

here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable...
and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if
you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as
requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go
about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see
anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen
to be eligible to vote.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett > wrote:

The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists
because of gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so
skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever
win.

As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee
ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the
fraud is less than .01%.  All the voter ID laws are designed
to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax".  Oh
sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need
to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your
hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student
ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school.

Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1.
Fair 2. Make America great?!?!

-Sean


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett > wrote:

"conservative minority" HAH!

Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit
less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most
things.

"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between
legal and illegal immigration.

If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts
in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both
parties gerrymander and it sucks.

You need an ID to do almost everything else in

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

I think they say the same about Republicans in NY don't they?

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:34 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> A Democrat in Texas would be called a Republican in most other states.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/7/2016 10:05 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> The same can be said about Democrats wherever you find them.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Texas Republicans will try whatever they can get to keep from losing
>> their power but if they keep pushing, they will wake up the sleeping
>> giant.
>> On Apr 7, 2016 10:28 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in office.
>>> Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both sides do it. Both sides
>>> suck because of it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" < af...@zirkel.us>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
>>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
>>> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>>
>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
>>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All
>>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
>>> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
>>> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
>>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
>>> issued by a state school.
>>>
>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make
>>> America great?!?!
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
 "conservative minority" HAH!

 Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while
 indeed a minority fight for or against most things.

 "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and
 illegal immigration.

 If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois,
 they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.

 You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should
 the most important thing be any different?

 BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical
 conversation.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 

 Midwest Internet Exchange 

 The Brothers WISP 

 --
 *From: *"Sean Heskett" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
 Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

 "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a
 non-issue...PERIOD!

 My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked
 Italians.  Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation  was the
 same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans
 because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south
 of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that
 time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's)

 Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me"
 mentality.  America (not 'merica) is built on

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Yowsa! If you're black in North Dakota, that's a bad place to be!

On 4/7/2016 11:37 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:

I was wondering about that also, so I looked it up:

http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity/

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Apr 7, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Cameron Crum > wrote:

That is patently false. There are far more poor white people than
poor black people. Now the percentage of blacks as a group might be
higher than the percentage of whites as a group (26% vs 10%), but the
facts are that there are more poor whites. In fact there are almost
double the amount of poor whites as poor blacks (19.7m vs 10.8m). So,
where are all the stories of disenfranchised white poor people?

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett > wrote:

Well the "premiss" of these laws it to prevent fraud. What
actually happens because of the way they are written is that
young and poor people end up having problems voting.

I shouldn't have said black I should have said poor. Not all
black people are poor and not all poor people are black. But the
majority of people below the poverty line happen to be black.

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Jay Weekley
> wrote:

Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites?

Sean Heskett wrote:

Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to
suppress the student and black vote.

Yay 'Merica 

http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard
> wrote:

While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a
quick google
tells me they require one of the following:

* Texas driver license issued by the Texas
Department of Public
Safety (DPS)
* Texas Election Identification Certificate issued
by DPS
* Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
* Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
* United States military identification card
containing the
person’s photograph
* United States citizenship certificate containing
the person’s
photograph
* United States passport

Those are all government issued forms of photo ID...
I don't
really see anything inconsistent there.

here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are
acceptable...
and there is a process for obtaining an ID card
completely free if
you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as
far as
requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else
do you go
about proving that you're actually citizen? I really
don't see
anything unfair about requiring someone to prove
they're a citizen
to be eligible to vote.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett
> wrote:

The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only
exists
because of gerrymandering. They are in districts
that are so
skewed that only a super conservative
"republican" could ever
win.

As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that
absentee
ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person
voting the
fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws
are designed
to suppress in person voting with an illegal
"poll tax". Oh
sure the ID might be "free" but the birth
certificate you need
to produce costs money. Also in texas you can
use your
hunting or fishing license but you can't use a
student
ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state
school.

Tell me exactly how those two things in this
country are 1.
Fair 2. Make America great?!?!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

You can read those statistics a couple of ways. Sure, there are almost
twice as many poor whites as poor blacks.

But if you're black, you're 2-1/2 times as likely to be poor.

You shouldn't discriminate against blacks just because there aren't as
many of them.

On 4/7/2016 11:33 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
That is patently false. There are far more poor white people than poor
black people. Now the percentage of blacks as a group might be higher
than the percentage of whites as a group (26% vs 10%), but the facts
are that there are more poor whites. In fact there are almost double
the amount of poor whites as poor blacks (19.7m vs 10.8m). So, where
are all the stories of disenfranchised white poor people?

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett > wrote:

Well the "premiss" of these laws it to prevent fraud. What
actually happens because of the way they are written is that young
and poor people end up having problems voting.

I shouldn't have said black I should have said poor. Not all black
people are poor and not all poor people are black. But the
majority of people below the poverty line happen to be black.

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Jay Weekley > wrote:

Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites?

Sean Heskett wrote:

Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to
suppress the student and black vote.

Yay 'Merica 

http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard
> wrote:

While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a
quick google
tells me they require one of the following:

Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I
don't
really see anything inconsistent there.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett
> wrote:

The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only
exists
because of gerrymandering. They are in districts
that are so
skewed that only a super conservative "republican"
could ever
win.

As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that
absentee
ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person
voting the
fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws
are designed
to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll
tax". Oh
sure the ID might be "free" but the birth
certificate you need
to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use
your
hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student
ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state
school.

Tell me exactly how those two things in this
country are 1.
Fair 2. Make America great?!?!

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett
> wrote:

"conservative

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists

My theory is that you have to have filed a tax return.  It's the legal 
obligation of all adult US citizens.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Apr 7, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> 
> Jaime, you say that like it happened yesterday. Do you think that Texas, and 
> by that I guess those sitting in power today, are actively trying to dissuade 
> minority voting? Other than what falls under gerrymandering like everyone 
> else has already mentioned.
> 
> Having said that, I wish it was legal to prevent those who don't pay taxes 
> from voting. Not sure anything would be different but I think if you are 
> going to help decide how the money gets spent you should have to contribute 
> some of it. 
> 
> OK. Start the all caps yelliing.
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM Jaime Solorza  
>> wrote:
>> Texas has a track record of keeping African Americans and Mexican Americans 
>> from voting and getting equal access to education.They used all kinds of 
>> tactics including taxes to do it.   I tried telling the students at Tornillo 
>> High School to study what Chicano students did in California to fight for 
>> better education.  We did same in El Pasotold them to register and 
>> vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go vote! Guess he did 
>> something rightha
>> 
>> On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all racist.
>> 
>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine 
>> with that.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Mathew Howard" 
>> To: "af" 
>> Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
>> Mexico - WSJ
>> 
>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me 
>> they require one of the following:
>> Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS)
>> Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>> Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>> Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>> United States military identification card containing the person’s photograph
>> United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s photograph
>> United States passport
>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see 
>> anything inconsistent there.
>> 
>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there is 
>> a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the 
>> necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get 
>> an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I 
>> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a 
>> citizen to be eligible to vote.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of 
>>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super 
>>> conservative "republican" could ever win.  
>>> 
>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot 
>>> of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All the 
>>> voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal 
>>> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you 
>>> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or 
>>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was 
>>> issued by a state school.
>>> 
>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make 
>>> America great?!?!
>>> 
>>> -Sean
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett  wrote:
 "conservative minority" HAH!
 
 Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed 
 a minority fight for or against most things.
 
 "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and 
 illegal immigration.
 
 If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, 
 they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.
 
 You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the 
 most important thing be any different?
 
 BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical 
 conversation. 
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange
 
 The Brothers WISP
 
 
 
 
 From: "Sean

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

>From my experience, every person in the seat of power and ease at someone
else's expense tries very hard to keep what they have. You just need to
move to Illinois where it is Democrats doing it. The sad part is, it
appears voters refuse to wake up. That is one reason we are in the shape we
are in.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:04 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Texas Republicans will try whatever they can get to keep from losing their
> power but if they keep pushing, they will wake up the sleeping giant.
> On Apr 7, 2016 10:28 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in office.
>> Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both sides do it. Both sides
>> suck because of it.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
>> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>
>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All
>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
>> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
>> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
>> issued by a state school.
>>
>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make
>> America great?!?!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>>
>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while
>>> indeed a minority fight for or against most things.
>>>
>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and
>>> illegal immigration.
>>>
>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois,
>>> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.
>>>
>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the
>>> most important thing be any different?
>>>
>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical
>>> conversation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a
>>> non-issue...PERIOD!
>>>
>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked
>>> Italians.  Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation  was the
>>> same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans
>>> because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south
>>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that
>>> time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's)
>>>
>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me"
>>> mentality.  America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants.  Those who have
>>> no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans
>>> migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.
>>>
>>> As a progressive

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists

I was wondering about that also, so I looked it up:

http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity/

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Apr 7, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> 
> That is patently false. There are far more poor white people than poor black 
> people. Now the percentage of blacks as a group might be higher than the 
> percentage of whites as a group (26% vs 10%), but the facts are that there 
> are more poor whites. In fact there are almost double the amount of poor 
> whites as poor blacks (19.7m vs 10.8m). So, where are all the stories of 
> disenfranchised white poor people?
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>> Well the "premiss" of these laws it to prevent fraud.  What actually happens 
>> because of the way they are written is that young and poor people end up 
>> having problems voting.  
>> 
>> I shouldn't have said black I should have said poor.  Not all black people 
>> are poor and not all poor people are black.  But the majority of people 
>> below the poverty line happen to be black.  
>> 
>> -Sean 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Jay Weekley  wrote:
>>> Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites?
>>> 
>>> Sean Heskett wrote:
 Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the student 
 and black vote.

 Yay 'Merica 
 http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/

 -Sean

 On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard > wrote:

 While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google
 tells me they require one of the following:

   * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
 Safety (DPS)
   * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
   * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
   * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
   * United States military identification card containing the
 person’s photograph
   * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
 photograph
   * United States passport

 Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't
 really see anything inconsistent there.

 here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable...
 and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if
 you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as
 requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go
 about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see
 anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen
 to be eligible to vote.

 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett > wrote:

 The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists
 because of gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so
 skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever
 win.

 As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee
 ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the
 fraud is less than .01%.  All the voter ID laws are designed
 to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax".  Oh
 sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need
 to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your
 hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student
 ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school.

 Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1.
 Fair 2. Make America great?!?!

 -Sean

 On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett > wrote:

 "conservative minority" HAH!

 Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit
 less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most
 things.

 "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between
 legal and illegal immigration.

 If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts
 in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both
 parties gerrymander and it sucks.

 You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life,
 why should the most

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Jaime, you say that like it happened yesterday. Do you think that Texas,
and by that I guess those sitting in power today, are actively trying to
dissuade minority voting? Other than what falls under gerrymandering like
everyone else has already mentioned.

Having said that, I wish it was legal to prevent those who don't pay taxes
from voting. Not sure anything would be different but I think if you are
going to help decide how the money gets spent you should have to contribute
some of it.

OK. Start the all caps yelliing.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:59 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Texas has a track record of keeping African Americans and Mexican
> Americans from voting and getting equal access to education.They used
> all kinds of tactics including taxes to do it.   I tried telling the
> students at Tornillo High School to study what Chicano students did in
> California to fight for better education.  We did same in El Pasotold
> them to register and vote...Trump has gotten allot of Hispanics to go vote!
> Guess he did something rightha
> On Apr 7, 2016 10:34 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
> racist.
>
> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine
> with that.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
> they require one of the following:
>
>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety
>(DPS)
>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>photograph
>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>photograph
>- United States passport
>
> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
> anything inconsistent there.
>
> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there
> is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for
> the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to
> get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I
> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a
> citizen to be eligible to vote.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
>> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>
>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All
>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
>> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
>> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
>> issued by a state school.
>>
>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make
>> America great?!?!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>>
>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while
>>> indeed a minority fight for or against most things.
>>>
>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and
>>> illegal immigration.
>>>
>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois,
>>> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.
>>>
>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the
>>> most important thing be any different?
>>>
>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical
>>> conversation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

That is patently false. There are far more poor white people than poor
black people. Now the percentage of blacks as a group might be higher than
the percentage of whites as a group (26% vs 10%), but the facts are that
there are more poor whites. In fact there are almost double the amount of
poor whites as poor blacks (19.7m vs 10.8m). So, where are all the stories
of disenfranchised white poor people?

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Well the "premiss" of these laws it to prevent fraud.  What actually
> happens because of the way they are written is that young and poor people
> end up having problems voting.
>
> I shouldn't have said black I should have said poor.  Not all black people
> are poor and not all poor people are black.  But the majority of people
> below the poverty line happen to be black.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Jay Weekley  wrote:
>
>> Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites?
>>
>> Sean Heskett wrote:
>>
>>> Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the student
>>> and black vote.
>>>
>>> Yay 'Merica 
>>>
>>> http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard > mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google
>>> tells me they require one of the following:
>>>
>>>   * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>> Safety (DPS)
>>>   * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>>   * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>>   * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>>   * United States military identification card containing the
>>> person’s photograph
>>>   * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>>> photograph
>>>   * United States passport
>>>
>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't
>>> really see anything inconsistent there.
>>>
>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable...
>>> and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if
>>> you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as
>>> requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go
>>> about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see
>>> anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen
>>> to be eligible to vote.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists
>>> because of gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so
>>> skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever
>>> win.
>>>
>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee
>>> ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the
>>> fraud is less than .01%.  All the voter ID laws are designed
>>> to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax".  Oh
>>> sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need
>>> to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your
>>> hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student
>>> ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school.
>>>
>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1.
>>> Fair 2. Make America great?!?!
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>>
>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit
>>> less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most
>>> things.
>>>
>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between
>>> legal and illegal immigration.
>>>
>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts
>>> in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both
>>> parties gerrymander and it sucks.
>>>
>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life,
>>> why should the most important thing be any different?
>>>
>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly
>>> logical conversation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> <
>>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

No fraud? Last year some lady was convicted of voting three times. So while
little is likely very true, no fraud is absolutely not true. This is the
only one I remember that got big press but I doubt it is the only one.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/17/cincinnati-illegal-voting/2530119/
Statistically, if that is what you meant, then I would agree that thee
isn't enough to sway an election.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:45 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> We've been voting for 250 years without theses laws and there has been
> little to no fraud in person voter fraud.  After Obama won all the
> conservatives enacted voter ID laws that suppress...wait for it...the
> student and poor vote.
>
> If they really were trying to get rid of voter fraud they would focus the
> laws on absentee ballots where there is known fraud...but that would
> suppress the elderly vote and they tend to vote for republicans :-/
>
> It will be decided in the courts but we will have to go thru a couple
> rounds of voting with these laws on the books.
>
> If you can't beat em...change the rules!  That's what will happen at the
> republican convention.  Rule 40 is gonna go bye bye...but it's their party
> so they can do what they want as a private org.
>
> 2 cents
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
>> they require one of the following:
>>
>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>Safety (DPS)
>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>>photograph
>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>>photograph
>>- United States passport
>>
>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
>> anything inconsistent there.
>>
>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there
>> is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for
>> the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to
>> get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I
>> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a
>> citizen to be eligible to vote.
>>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
>>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
>>> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>>
>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
>>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All
>>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
>>> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
>>> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
>>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
>>> issued by a state school.
>>>
>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make
>>> America great?!?!
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
 "conservative minority" HAH!

 Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while
 indeed a minority fight for or against most things.

 "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and
 illegal immigration.

 If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois,
 they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.

 You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should
 the most important thing be any different?

 BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical
 conversation.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 
 
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
 --
 *From: *"Sean Heskett" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
 *Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Mathew Howard

That's what I can't understand... how the heck can anyone function without
an ID?

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> How do poor people identify themselves for medical cards, food stamps,
> housing assistance, housing leases for that matter, and any of the other
> things the poor are entitled to?
>
> It would seem to me, that if poor people are unable to attain
> identification solely on the basis of being poor, they would all starve to
> death, without any shelter, since they are unable to be identified.
>
> Why are there so many obese poor people if they arent being fed because
> their financial situation dictates the inability to be identified?
>
> On that same note, how are poor criminals being incarcerated since their
> financial status disallows any mechanism for identification?
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Well the "premiss" of these laws it to prevent fraud.  What actually
>> happens because of the way they are written is that young and poor people
>> end up having problems voting.
>>
>> I shouldn't have said black I should have said poor.  Not all black
>> people are poor and not all poor people are black.  But the majority of
>> people below the poverty line happen to be black.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Jay Weekley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites?
>>>
>>> Sean Heskett wrote:
>>>
 Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the
 student and black vote.

 Yay 'Merica 

 http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/

 -Sean

 On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard > wrote:

 While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google
 tells me they require one of the following:

   * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
 Safety (DPS)
   * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
   * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
   * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
   * United States military identification card containing the
 person’s photograph
   * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
 photograph
   * United States passport

 Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't
 really see anything inconsistent there.

 here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable...
 and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if
 you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as
 requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go
 about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see
 anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen
 to be eligible to vote.

 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett > wrote:

 The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists
 because of gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so
 skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever
 win.

 As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee
 ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the
 fraud is less than .01%.  All the voter ID laws are designed
 to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax".  Oh
 sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need
 to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your
 hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student
 ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school.

 Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1.
 Fair 2. Make America great?!?!

 -Sean

 On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett > wrote:

 "conservative minority" HAH!

 Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit
 less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most
 things.

 "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between
 legal and illegal immigration.

 If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts
 in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both
 parties gerrymander and it sucks.

 You

Re: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?


Two ways.  Almost certain Generac has a dual fuel carb that will LP and NG.

But you can always convert LP to work with an unaltered NG device with an 
air mixer.


Lots of mission critical NG installations have a large LP tank too with this 
air mixer device.  The NG companies call them a carburetor.  I think it just 
mixes a fixed amount of air with the LP and sends it down the line at the 
right pressure.


-Original Message- 
From: George Skorup

Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

We're going to be putting in one of the Generac 1800RPM quiet models at
our office (so the neighbors won't bitch too much about the noise of a
3600). So here's one of the potential problems we're worried about,
because it happened. They shut off the natural gas after the tornado
last year because houses were blown away and gas was leaking everywhere.
If that were to happen again, then our shiny expensive new generator
will be sitting there doing nothing. So we're thinking about doing a LP
tank as backup, but would like to have the primary be NG. Has anyone
done this? Two regulators and valves perhaps? I don't have a problem
manually turning some valves, but I don't wanna be out there at
o'dark:30 in the rain doing plumbing.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

How do poor people identify themselves for medical cards, food stamps,
housing assistance, housing leases for that matter, and any of the other
things the poor are entitled to?

It would seem to me, that if poor people are unable to attain
identification solely on the basis of being poor, they would all starve to
death, without any shelter, since they are unable to be identified.

Why are there so many obese poor people if they arent being fed because
their financial situation dictates the inability to be identified?

On that same note, how are poor criminals being incarcerated since their
financial status disallows any mechanism for identification?

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Well the "premiss" of these laws it to prevent fraud.  What actually
> happens because of the way they are written is that young and poor people
> end up having problems voting.
>
> I shouldn't have said black I should have said poor.  Not all black people
> are poor and not all poor people are black.  But the majority of people
> below the poverty line happen to be black.
>
> -Sean
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Jay Weekley  wrote:
>
>> Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites?
>>
>> Sean Heskett wrote:
>>
>>> Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the student
>>> and black vote.
>>>
>>> Yay 'Merica 
>>>
>>> http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard > mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google
>>> tells me they require one of the following:
>>>
>>>   * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>> Safety (DPS)
>>>   * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>>   * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>>   * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>>   * United States military identification card containing the
>>> person’s photograph
>>>   * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>>> photograph
>>>   * United States passport
>>>
>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't
>>> really see anything inconsistent there.
>>>
>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable...
>>> and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if
>>> you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as
>>> requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go
>>> about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see
>>> anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen
>>> to be eligible to vote.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists
>>> because of gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so
>>> skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever
>>> win.
>>>
>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee
>>> ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the
>>> fraud is less than .01%.  All the voter ID laws are designed
>>> to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax".  Oh
>>> sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need
>>> to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your
>>> hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student
>>> ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school.
>>>
>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1.
>>> Fair 2. Make America great?!?!
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>>
>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit
>>> less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most
>>> things.
>>>
>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between
>>> legal and illegal immigration.
>>>
>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts
>>> in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both
>>> parties gerrymander and it sucks.
>>>
>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life,
>>> why should the most important thing be any different?
>>>
>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly
>>> logical conversation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

Just a quick look, but I think LP and NG can be made to be 
interchangeable. This is a 35KW generator that says it will run on either:


http://gens.lccdn.com/generaccorporate/media/library/content/all-products/generators/industrial-generators/gaseous/0k4265-b-sg035-5-4l-60hz.pdf?ext=.pdf

bp


On 4/7/2016 11:04 AM, George Skorup wrote:
We're going to be putting in one of the Generac 1800RPM quiet models 
at our office (so the neighbors won't bitch too much about the noise 
of a 3600). So here's one of the potential problems we're worried 
about, because it happened. They shut off the natural gas after the 
tornado last year because houses were blown away and gas was leaking 
everywhere. If that were to happen again, then our shiny expensive new 
generator will be sitting there doing nothing. So we're thinking about 
doing a LP tank as backup, but would like to have the primary be NG. 
Has anyone done this? Two regulators and valves perhaps? I don't have 
a problem manually turning some valves, but I don't wanna be out there 
at o'dark:30 in the rain doing plumbing.

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5 or 5 Frame Question


Yep, all FSK is 2.5 framing except for 900 which is 5ms.

On 4/7/2016 10:29 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

IIRC, FSK is 2.5 ms.

bp


On 4/7/2016 6:21 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc wrote:


Ok Geeks,

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ï¿½

Scenario:

ï¿½

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2.4 FSK AP ï¿½ running 5ms 100Mb

1GB Sync

MT 450 1GB acting as switch

ï¿½

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Well the "premiss" of these laws it to prevent fraud.  What actually
happens because of the way they are written is that young and poor people
end up having problems voting.

I shouldn't have said black I should have said poor.  Not all black people
are poor and not all poor people are black.  But the majority of people
below the poverty line happen to be black.

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Jay Weekley  wrote:

> Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites?
>
> Sean Heskett wrote:
>
>> Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the student
>> and black vote.
>>
>> Yay 'Merica 
>>
>> http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard  mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google
>> tells me they require one of the following:
>>
>>   * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>> Safety (DPS)
>>   * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>   * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>   * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>   * United States military identification card containing the
>> person’s photograph
>>   * United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>> photograph
>>   * United States passport
>>
>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't
>> really see anything inconsistent there.
>>
>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable...
>> and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if
>> you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as
>> requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go
>> about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see
>> anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen
>> to be eligible to vote.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett > > wrote:
>>
>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists
>> because of gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so
>> skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever
>> win.
>>
>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee
>> ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the
>> fraud is less than .01%.  All the voter ID laws are designed
>> to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax".  Oh
>> sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need
>> to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your
>> hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student
>> ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school.
>>
>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1.
>> Fair 2. Make America great?!?!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett > > wrote:
>>
>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>
>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit
>> less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most
>> things.
>>
>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between
>> legal and illegal immigration.
>>
>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts
>> in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both
>> parties gerrymander and it sucks.
>>
>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life,
>> why should the most important thing be any different?
>>
>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly
>> logical conversation.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> <
>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><
>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><
>> https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> <
>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><
>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" 
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

The implication is that culture matters more than you might think.

On 4/7/2016 11:05 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites?

Sean Heskett wrote:
Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the
student and black vote.

Yay 'Merica 
http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard > wrote:

While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google
tells me they require one of the following:

* Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
Safety (DPS)
* Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
* Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
* Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
* United States military identification card containing the
person’s photograph
* United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
photograph
* United States passport

Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't
really see anything inconsistent there.

here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable...
and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if
you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as
requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go
about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see
anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen
to be eligible to vote.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett > wrote:

The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists
because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so
skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever
win.

As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee
ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the
fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed
to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh
sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need
to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your
hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student
ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school.

Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1.
Fair 2. Make America great?!?!

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett > wrote:

"conservative minority" HAH!

Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit
less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most
things.

"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between
legal and illegal immigration.

If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts
in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both
parties gerrymander and it sucks.

You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life,
why should the most important thing be any different?

BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly
logical conversation.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

*From: *"Sean Heskett"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block
Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt
to solve a non-issue...PERIOD!

My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no
one liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north
africa his motivation was the same as all the South
Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because
most of the illegal immigrants are

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Jay Weekley

Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites?

Sean Heskett wrote:
Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the
student and black vote.

Yay 'Merica 
http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard > wrote:

While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google
tells me they require one of the following:

* Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
Safety (DPS)
* Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
* Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
* Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
* United States military identification card containing the
person’s photograph
* United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
photograph
* United States passport

Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't
really see anything inconsistent there.

here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable...
and there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if
you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as
requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else do you go
about proving that you're actually citizen? I really don't see
anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen
to be eligible to vote.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett > wrote:

The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists
because of gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so
skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever
win.

As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee
ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the
fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws are designed
to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax". Oh
sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need
to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your
hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student
ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school.

Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1.
Fair 2. Make America great?!?!

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett > wrote:

"conservative minority" HAH!

Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit
less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most
things.

"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between
legal and illegal immigration.

If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts
in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both
parties gerrymander and it sucks.

You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life,
why should the most important thing be any different?

BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly
logical conversation.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

*From: *"Sean Heskett"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block
Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt
to solve a non-issue...PERIOD!

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

2016-04-07 Thread Jay Weekley


Tooele AND Oquirrh?

Chuck McCown wrote:
Around here all you have to do is properly pronounce Tooele and 
Oquirrh.  Can’t do it, can’t vote.

(At least I don’t live in Mantua...)
*From:* Sean Heskett 
*Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:16 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money 
Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Google search "Arizona voter suppression" http://bfy.tw/59O3
It just happened and it's for real folks.  I can't believe there are 
Americans that are ok with making it harder to vote.
In Colorado we went to an all mail in ballot.  Guess what, voter 
participation is way up there are no long lines to go vote and the 
people get to elect who they want.  Oh and there is also no reports of 
any fraud.
Sure am glad I live in a state that has strong American values towards 
voting.

-Sean


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Cameron Crum > wrote:


I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do
they drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have
a bank account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or
any number of other things that require an ID almost daily? Your
hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only
reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can vote to
keep your liberals in power.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard
 wrote:

Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in
citizens of Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of
Mexican descent, they obviously have every bit as much right
to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they vote for or
not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett
 wrote:

Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting
because we're all racist.

Voting is little different with the second Amendment and
they're just fine with that.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 






*From: *"Mathew Howard"

*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block
Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick
google tells me they require one of the following:

  * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of
Public Safety (DPS)
  * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
  * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
  * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
  * United States military identification card containing
the person’s photograph
  * United States citizenship certificate containing the
person’s photograph
  * United States passport

Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I
don't really see anything inconsistent there.

here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are
acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID
card completely free if you can't pay for the necessary
documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate
to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're
actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about
requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to be
eligible to vote.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett
 wrote:

The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only
exists because of gerrymandering.  They are in
districts that are so skewed

[AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

We're going to be putting in one of the Generac 1800RPM quiet models at 
our office (so the neighbors won't bitch too much about the noise of a 
3600). So here's one of the potential problems we're worried about, 
because it happened. They shut off the natural gas after the tornado 
last year because houses were blown away and gas was leaking everywhere. 
If that were to happen again, then our shiny expensive new generator 
will be sitting there doing nothing. So we're thinking about doing a LP 
tank as backup, but would like to have the primary be NG. Has anyone 
done this? Two regulators and valves perhaps? I don't have a problem 
manually turning some valves, but I don't wanna be out there at 
o'dark:30 in the rain doing plumbing.

Re: [AFMUG] 12V 1A DIN breakers / UPS

IDEC if on tight budget but I recommend Phx Contact
On Apr 7, 2016 11:04 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Looking for something cheap that works. Phoenix Contact is normally
> too expensive for this kind of thing. Any recommendations? I need 4.
>
> Also need to find a 12V ~ 5+ A DC UPS, DIN mount.
>
> Thanks
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers toMexico - WSJ

Dave Barry wrote a column around 20 years ago that still holds true.  He said 
if you pulled over to the side of the road with a flat tire, Republicans 
wouldn’t stop to help.  Democrats would stop and try to help, but would end up 
setting your car on fire.

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers 
toMexico - WSJ

Back a hunnert years or so ago, the guvmnt came to Utah, confiscated all the 
property of the rascally Mormon church and generally set up martial law.  

One of the requirements for Utah to get into the union was to ensure that there 
was an equal two party system here.  So, Brigham Young had the local bishops 
draw a line down the middle of the congregation and told those on the left they 
were to be Democrats and those on the right Republicans.  

Since that time, folks have slid over on the pews such that there are very few 
sitting on the left...

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

+1.

California finally took the ability of the legislature to gerrymander away a 
couple years ago. As the legislature was heavily democratic, the belief was 
that the un-gerrymandered districts would become more balanced.

Unexpected was that the new un-gerrymandered districts became more democratic. 
I guess the legislature wasn't very good at how they gerrymandered. They're 
still trying to figure out how that happened, but it's pretty clear that the 
new districts are much more sane in the way they are  drawn.

bp

On 4/7/2016 9:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in office. 
Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both sides do it. Both sides 
suck because of it.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Sean Heskett" mailto:af...@zirkel.us
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

  The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of 
gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super 
conservative "republican" could ever win.   

  As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of 
voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All the voter ID 
laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax".  Oh 
sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs 
money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't 
use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school.

  Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make 
America great?!?!

  -Sean

  On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett  wrote:

"conservative minority" HAH!

Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a 
minority fight for or against most things.

"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and 
illegal immigration.

If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, 
they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.

You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the 
most important thing be any different?

BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical 
conversation. 

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Sean Heskett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a 
non-issue...PERIOD! 

My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked 
Italians.  Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation  was the 
same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because 
most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade 
my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were 
looked down upon (early 1900's)

Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" 
mentality.  America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants.  Those who have no 
compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating 
north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.

As a

Re: [AFMUG] 12V 1A DIN breakers / UPS


We use these: http://www.alliedelec.com/altech-corp-ddfl4u-e-24/70077234/

They use a glass fuse, but at 1 amp, it's a good choice.

bp


On 4/7/2016 10:09 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

http://www.midnitesolar.com/productPhoto.php?product_ID=183=Breakers_ID=16=18=p
Found them. $15 a lil spendy.

Hrm. Might just use fuses.

Making a power distribution system, 12V, for a 4 door access control
system. I think a Meanwell AD-55A will work for the power supply /
ups, was just hoping to din breaker each circuit on the cheap.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

5A, too high. Need 1A

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

http://www.midnitesolar.com/productPhoto.php?product_ID=184=Breakers_ID=16=6=p

-Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 12V 1A DIN breakers / UPS


Looking for something cheap that works. Phoenix Contact is normally
too expensive for this kind of thing. Any recommendations? I need 4.

Also need to find a 12V ~ 5+ A DC UPS, DIN mount.

Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Back a hunnert years or so ago, the guvmnt came to Utah, confiscated all the 
property of the rascally Mormon church and generally set up martial law.  

One of the requirements for Utah to get into the union was to ensure that there 
was an equal two party system here.  So, Brigham Young had the local bishops 
draw a line down the middle of the congregation and told those on the left they 
were to be Democrats and those on the right Republicans.  

Since that time, folks have slid over on the pews such that there are very few 
sitting on the left...


From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

+1.

California finally took the ability of the legislature to gerrymander away a 
couple years ago. As the legislature was heavily democratic, the belief was 
that the un-gerrymandered districts would become more balanced.

Unexpected was that the new un-gerrymandered districts became more democratic. 
I guess the legislature wasn't very good at how they gerrymandered. They're 
still trying to figure out how that happened, but it's pretty clear that the 
new districts are much more sane in the way they are  drawn.


bp


On 4/7/2016 9:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in office. 
Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both sides do it. Both sides 
suck because of it.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Sean Heskett" mailto:af...@zirkel.us
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

  The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of 
gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super 
conservative "republican" could ever win.   

  As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot of 
voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All the voter ID 
laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax".  Oh 
sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to produce costs 
money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license but you can't 
use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school.

  Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make 
America great?!?!

  -Sean


  On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett  wrote:

"conservative minority" HAH!

Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while indeed a 
minority fight for or against most things.

"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and 
illegal immigration.

If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, 
they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.

You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the 
most important thing be any different?

BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical 
conversation. 




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Sean Heskett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a 
non-issue...PERIOD! 

My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked 
Italians.  Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation  was the 
same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because 
most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico) He forbade 
my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the Italians were 
looked down upon (early 1900's)

Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" 
mentality.  America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants.  Those who have no 
compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans migrating 
north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.

As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being a 
progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country being 
driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their neighbor 
fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to gerrymander 
districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win.  Social security and 
Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ


Nor should you trust any politician whose lips move.

bp


On 4/7/2016 10:14 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
I dont like grinning mexicans, you cant trust them. If theyre grinning 
theyre going to make you eat something very hot. Never trust a 
grinning mexican, ever


On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote:


Hahaha. Would that be the iZombie caucus?  It’s amazing that more
people voted for Kennedy than were actually registered in 1969.  I
think the same caucus is active in Philadelphia also.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, April 7, 2016 10:01 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Here in Chicago, we also accept death certificates as voter ID.

*From:*Mathew Howard 

*Sent:*Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:54 AM

*To:*af 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

True! and just to be clear, I have nothing against Mexicans (what
I said applies equally to any non-US citizens), nor do I
particularly care about voter ID laws one way or the other... but
I do think a lot of people that vote don't take it as seriously as
they should, and I don't see anything wrong with making people
actually put a little effort into it (such as proving they
actually do have the right to vote).

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:

Prolly more rights than you if they live in the Western states
that used to be Mexico.

*From:*Mathew Howard 

*Sent:*Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:39 AM

*To:*af 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens
of Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent,
they obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do,
whether I agree with who they vote for or not... and I don't know
anyone that thinks otherwise.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett > wrote:

Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because
we're all racist.

Voting is little different with the second Amendment and
they're just fine with that.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Mathew Howard" >
*To: *"af" >
*Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM


*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block
Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick
google tells me they require one of the following:

  * Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of
Public Safety (DPS)
  * Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
  * Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
  * Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
  * United States military identification card containing the
person’s photograph
  * United States citizenship certificate containing the
person’s photograph
  * United States passport

Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't
really see anything inconsistent there.

here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are
acceptable... and there is a process for obtaining an ID card
completely free if you can't pay for the necessary
documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to
get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're
actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about
requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Man


LOL!

PMP my mobile!

bp


On 4/7/2016 10:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Does ePMPman drive the ePMPmobile?
*From:* Joshaven Mailing Lists 
*Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:59 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Man
And the arch villain...

Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co 
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com 


On Apr 7, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Bill Prince > wrote:

Kind of a Cyclopsy kind of look...

bp


On 4/7/2016 7:23 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Dude's head is EOL.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 7, 2016 10:18 AM, "Alex Marcham" 
> wrote:


Hi All,


The wireless wonder, ePMP Man, is here! Sworn to bring broadband
to all, ePMP Man is on the side of truth, justice and bandwidth.

But are his mighty powers enough to defeat the many villains
standing in his way?

There’s only one way to find out!

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/epmpman/


(Could ePMP Man defeat Superman? Maybe, but let’s see Superman
set up a wireless network first.)


Thanks,

**

*Alex Marcham*

Engineering

Cambium Networks

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ


A Democrat in Texas would be called a Republican in most other states.

bp


On 4/7/2016 10:05 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

The same can be said about Democrats wherever you find them.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:


Texas Republicans will try whatever they can get to keep from
losing their power but if they keep pushing, they will wake up
the sleeping giant.

On Apr 7, 2016 10:28 AM, "Mike Hammett" > wrote:

The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in
office. Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both
sides do it. Both sides suck because of it.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Sean Heskett" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block
Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists
because of gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so
skewed that only a super conservative "republican" could ever
win.

As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee
ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the
fraud is less than .01%.  All the voter ID laws are designed
to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll tax".  Oh
sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need
to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your
hunting or fishing license but you can't use a student
ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state school.

Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1.
Fair 2. Make America great?!?!

-Sean


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett > wrote:

"conservative minority" HAH!

Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit
less, while indeed a minority fight for or against most
things.

"Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between
legal and illegal immigration.

If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts
in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both
parties gerrymander and it sucks.

You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life,
why should the most important thing be any different?

BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly
logical conversation.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 






*From: *"Sean Heskett" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block
Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt
to solve a non-issue...PERIOD!

My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no
one liked Italians.  Italy was poor and invading north
africa his motivation  was the same as all the South
Americans coming here now (I say South Americans because

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to suppress the student
and black vote.

Yay 'Merica 

http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/

-Sean


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
> they require one of the following:
>
>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety
>(DPS)
>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>photograph
>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>photograph
>- United States passport
>
> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
> anything inconsistent there.
>
> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there
> is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for
> the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to
> get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I
> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a
> citizen to be eligible to vote.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett  > wrote:
>
>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
>> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>
>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All
>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
>> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
>> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
>> issued by a state school.
>>
>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make
>> America great?!?!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett > > wrote:
>>
>>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>>
>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while
>>> indeed a minority fight for or against most things.
>>>
>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and
>>> illegal immigration.
>>>
>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois,
>>> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.
>>>
>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the
>>> most important thing be any different?
>>>
>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical
>>> conversation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a
>>> non-issue...PERIOD!
>>>
>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked
>>> Italians.  Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation  was the
>>> same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans
>>> because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south
>>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that
>>> time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's)
>>>
>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me"
>>> mentality.  America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants.  Those who have
>>> no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans
>>> migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.
>>>
>>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being
>>> a progressive liberal - im so sick and

Re: [AFMUG] 12V 1A DIN breakers / UPS

That... that might work! :)

Thanks Chuck, I figured you or Jaime would have something.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/te-connectivity-potter-brumfield-relays/W28-XT1A-1/PB1025-ND/1095346
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:09 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 12V 1A DIN breakers / UPS
>
> http://www.midnitesolar.com/productPhoto.php?product_ID=183=Breakers_ID=16=18=p
> Found them. $15 a lil spendy.
>
> Hrm. Might just use fuses.
>
> Making a power distribution system, 12V, for a 4 door access control
> system. I think a Meanwell AD-55A will work for the power supply /
> ups, was just hoping to din breaker each circuit on the cheap.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> 5A, too high. Need 1A
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.midnitesolar.com/productPhoto.php?product_ID=184=Breakers_ID=16=6=p
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:04 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] 12V 1A DIN breakers / UPS
>>>
>>>
>>> Looking for something cheap that works. Phoenix Contact is normally
>>> too expensive for this kind of thing. Any recommendations? I need 4.
>>>
>>> Also need to find a 12V ~ 5+ A DC UPS, DIN mount.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Hahahahaha

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:14 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I dont like grinning mexicans, you cant trust them. If theyre grinning
> theyre going to make you eat something very hot. Never trust a grinning
> mexican, ever
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> Hahaha.  Would that be the iZombie caucus?  It’s amazing that more people
>> voted for Kennedy than were actually registered in 1969.  I think the same
>> caucus is active in Philadelphia also.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 7, 2016 10:01 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>>
>>
>> Here in Chicago, we also accept death certificates as voter ID.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard 
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:54 AM
>>
>> *To:* af 
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>>
>>
>> True! and just to be clear, I have nothing against Mexicans (what I said
>> applies equally to any non-US citizens), nor do I particularly care about
>> voter ID laws one way or the other... but I do think a lot of people that
>> vote don't take it as seriously as they should, and I don't see anything
>> wrong with making people actually put a little effort into it (such as
>> proving they actually do have the right to vote).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> Prolly more rights than you if they live in the Western states that used
>> to be Mexico.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard 
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:39 AM
>>
>> *To:* af 
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>>
>>
>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
>> otherwise.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>> racist.
>>
>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>> fine with that.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
>> they require one of the following:
>>
>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>Safety (DPS)
>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>>photograph
>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>>photograph
>>- United States passport
>>
>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
>> anything inconsistent there.
>>
>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there
>> is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for
>> the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to
>> get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I
>> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a
>> citizen to be eligible to vote.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
>> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>
>>
>>
>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
>> lot of voter

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Around here all you have to do is properly pronounce Tooele and Oquirrh.  Can’t 
do it, can’t vote.  
(At least I don’t live in Mantua...)

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
Mexico - WSJ

Google search "Arizona voter suppression" http://bfy.tw/59O3 

It just happened and it's for real folks.  I can't believe there are Americans 
that are ok with making it harder to vote.

In Colorado we went to an all mail in ballot.  Guess what, voter participation 
is way up there are no long lines to go vote and the people get to elect who 
they want.  Oh and there is also no reports of any fraud.

Sure am glad I live in a state that has strong American values towards voting.

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Cameron Crum  wrote:

  I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they 
drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank account, 
have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of other things that 
require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about conservatives is just as bad 
as if I said the only reason you don't want voter id is so all the illegals can 
vote to keep your liberals in power. 

  On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of 
Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they obviously 
have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree with who they 
vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise. 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett 
 wrote:

  Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all 
racist.

  Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just 
fine with that.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Mathew Howard" 

  To: "af" 
  Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers 
to Mexico - WSJ

  While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me 
they require one of the following:

a.. Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public 
Safety (DPS) 
b.. Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS 
c.. Texas personal identification card issued by DPS 
d.. Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS 
e.. United States military identification card containing the person’s 
photograph 
f.. United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s 
photograph 
g.. United States passport
  Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see 
anything inconsistent there.

  here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there 
is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for the 
necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to get an 
ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I really 
don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a citizen to 
be eligible to vote.

  On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett 
 wrote:

The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of 
gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super 
conservative "republican" could ever win.   

As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a 
lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All the 
voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal "poll 
tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you need to 
produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or fishing license 
but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state 
school.

Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. 
Make America great?!?!

-Sean

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett 
 wrote:

  "conservative minority" HAH!

  Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while 
indeed a minority fight for or against most things.

  "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and 
illegal immigration.

  If the "conservative minority" is

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

https://politics.slashdot.org/story/16/04/02/1643249/how-to-hack-an-election

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Google search "Arizona voter suppression" http://bfy.tw/59O3
>
> It just happened and it's for real folks.  I can't believe there are
> Americans that are ok with making it harder to vote.
>
> In Colorado we went to an all mail in ballot.  Guess what, voter
> participation is way up there are no long lines to go vote and the people
> get to elect who they want.  Oh and there is also no reports of any fraud.
>
> Sure am glad I live in a state that has strong American values towards
> voting.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
>> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
>> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
>> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
>> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
>> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
>>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
>>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
>>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
>>> otherwise.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
 Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
 racist.

 Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
 fine with that.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 
 
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
 --
 *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
 *To: *"af" 
 *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM

 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
 Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

 While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells
 me they require one of the following:

- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
Safety (DPS)
- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
- United States military identification card containing the
person’s photograph
- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
photograph
- United States passport

 Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
 anything inconsistent there.

 here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and
 there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't
 pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth
 certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're
 actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring
 someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote.

 On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a 
> super
> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>
> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All
> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an 
> illegal
> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID 
> was
> issued by a state school.
>
> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2.
> Make America great?!?!
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thursday, April 7,

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Man

Does ePMPman drive the ePMPmobile?

From: Joshaven Mailing Lists 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Man

And the arch villain...

Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com

  On Apr 7, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

  Kind of a Cyclopsy kind of look...

bp

On 4/7/2016 7:23 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Dude's head is EOL.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 7, 2016 10:18 AM, "Alex Marcham"  
wrote:

  Hi All,

  The wireless wonder, ePMP Man, is here! Sworn to bring broadband to all, 
ePMP Man is on the side of truth, justice and bandwidth.

  But are his mighty powers enough to defeat the many villains standing in 
his way?

  There’s only one way to find out!

  http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/epmpman/

  (Could ePMP Man defeat Superman? Maybe, but let’s see Superman set up a 
wireless network first.)

  Thanks,

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  Engineering

  Cambium Networks

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

Google search "Arizona voter suppression" http://bfy.tw/59O3

It just happened and it's for real folks.  I can't believe there are
Americans that are ok with making it harder to vote.

In Colorado we went to an all mail in ballot.  Guess what, voter
participation is way up there are no long lines to go vote and the people
get to elect who they want.  Oh and there is also no reports of any fraud.

Sure am glad I live in a state that has strong American values towards
voting.

-Sean


On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they
> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank
> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of
> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about
> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want
> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard  > wrote:
>
>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
>> otherwise.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett > > wrote:
>>
>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
>>> racist.
>>>
>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just
>>> fine with that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" >> >
>>> *To: *"af" >
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
>>> they require one of the following:
>>>
>>>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public
>>>Safety (DPS)
>>>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>>>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>>>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>>>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>>>photograph
>>>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>>>photograph
>>>- United States passport
>>>
>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
>>> anything inconsistent there.
>>>
>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and
>>> there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't
>>> pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth
>>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're
>>> actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring
>>> someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett >> > wrote:
>>>
 The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
 gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
 conservative "republican" could ever win.

 As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
 lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All
 the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
 "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
 need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
 fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
 issued by a state school.

 Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2.
 Make America great?!?!

 -Sean


 On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

I dont like grinning mexicans, you cant trust them. If theyre grinning
theyre going to make you eat something very hot. Never trust a grinning
mexican, ever

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> Hahaha.  Would that be the iZombie caucus?  It’s amazing that more people
> voted for Kennedy than were actually registered in 1969.  I think the same
> caucus is active in Philadelphia also.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 7, 2016 10:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
>
>
> Here in Chicago, we also accept death certificates as voter ID.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:54 AM
>
> *To:* af 
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
>
>
> True! and just to be clear, I have nothing against Mexicans (what I said
> applies equally to any non-US citizens), nor do I particularly care about
> voter ID laws one way or the other... but I do think a lot of people that
> vote don't take it as seriously as they should, and I don't see anything
> wrong with making people actually put a little effort into it (such as
> proving they actually do have the right to vote).
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Prolly more rights than you if they live in the Western states that used
> to be Mexico.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:39 AM
>
> *To:* af 
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
>
>
> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of
> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they
> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree
> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks
> otherwise.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all
> racist.
>
> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just fine
> with that.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me
> they require one of the following:
>
>- Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety
>(DPS)
>- Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
>- Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
>- Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
>- United States military identification card containing the person’s
>photograph
>- United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s
>photograph
>- United States passport
>
> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see
> anything inconsistent there.
>
> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there
> is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for
> the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to
> get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I
> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a
> citizen to be eligible to vote.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>
>
>
> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a lot
> of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All the
> voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
> need to produce costs money.  Also in

Re: [AFMUG] 12V 1A DIN breakers / UPS

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/te-connectivity-potter-brumfield-relays/W28-XT1A-1/PB1025-ND/1095346

-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 12V 1A DIN breakers / UPS

http://www.midnitesolar.com/productPhoto.php?product_ID=183=Breakers_ID=16=18=p
Found them. $15 a lil spendy.

Hrm. Might just use fuses.

Making a power distribution system, 12V, for a 4 door access control
system. I think a Meanwell AD-55A will work for the power supply /
ups, was just hoping to din breaker each circuit on the cheap.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

5A, too high. Need 1A

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

http://www.midnitesolar.com/productPhoto.php?product_ID=184=Breakers_ID=16=6=p

-Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 12V 1A DIN breakers / UPS

Looking for something cheap that works. Phoenix Contact is normally
too expensive for this kind of thing. Any recommendations? I need 4.

Also need to find a 12V ~ 5+ A DC UPS, DIN mount.

Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

The same can be said about Democrats wherever you find them.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Texas Republicans will try whatever they can get to keep from losing their
> power but if they keep pushing, they will wake up the sleeping giant.
> On Apr 7, 2016 10:28 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> The only people that like gerrymandering are the people in office.
>> Gerrymandering is not partisan or ideological. Both sides do it. Both sides
>> suck because of it.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:06:31 AM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>
>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of
>> gerrymandering.  They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super
>> conservative "republican" could ever win.
>>
>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a
>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%.  All
>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal
>> "poll tax".  Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you
>> need to produce costs money.  Also in texas you can use your hunting or
>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was
>> issued by a state school.
>>
>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make
>> America great?!?!
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> "conservative minority" HAH!
>>>
>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while
>>> indeed a minority fight for or against most things.
>>>
>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and
>>> illegal immigration.
>>>
>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois,
>>> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks.
>>>
>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should the
>>> most important thing be any different?
>>>
>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical
>>> conversation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>>>
>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a
>>> non-issue...PERIOD!
>>>
>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked
>>> Italians.  Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation  was the
>>> same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans
>>> because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south
>>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that
>>> time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's)
>>>
>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me"
>>> mentality.  America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants.  Those who have
>>> no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans
>>> migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.
>>>
>>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being
>>> a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country
>>> being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their
>>> neighbor fail. And

Re: [AFMUG] 12V 1A DIN breakers / UPS