Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Josh Reynolds]

There are downsides to the solution he has as well. It all depends on how
much control you need, and if X channel is important to your subscriber
base or not. It also depends on the feature set you want to offer your
customers (to truly compete with cable cos).
On Jul 3, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way
> things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most
> companies are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be
> worthwhile when available.
>
> On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald  wrote:
>
>> I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I
>> even start?
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
>> wiFitz Network Services
>> Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
>> Phone: 319/540-8999
>> Web: http://www.wifitz.net
>>
>> wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

[Josh Reynolds]

Okay, if you need encryption, you could go with pfsense on a high clock
speed modern Xeon, and get one of the support AES accelerator cards. That
should do your 1Gbps encrypted for around $2500 an end.
On Jul 3, 2016 8:11 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> None of these are likely to provide the necessary encryption. I'm not sure
> that anything less than IPSEC would be sufficient.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Bill Prince" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, July 3, 2016 6:39:27 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance
>
> A couple of x86 routers running Mikrotik L2TP between them?
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 7/3/2016 4:08 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
> Any can't you use a CCR1009 with a EOIP, pptp, etc setup?
>
> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> O*U*C*H
>> OK, need cheap too during experimentation   (Cheap, solid, high
>> performance, flawless easy to find,  right)
>> Will take a look at UBNT.  I don’t know much about their products.
>>
>> *From:* Rory Conaway 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 03, 2016 4:33 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance
>>
>>
>> The best tunneling device I’ve seen is Peplink.  The catch being, you
>> would need the 2500 to get 1Gbps but it will go up to 2Gbps and it’s not
>> cheap, $15K on each side although I’m sure I could help you find a
>> discount.  Rock solid, we have run them for months without even touching
>> them and years on the same firmware.
>>
>>
>>
>> To get the throughput you are looking for though, I’d consider Ubiquiti
>> routers.  That processor handles tunneling pretty easily.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 3, 2016 3:27 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance
>>
>>
>>
>> Not really a firewall function.  A tunneling appliance.  Rock solid, low
>> latency, high capacity.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Craig Schmaderer 
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 03, 2016 3:05 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck I'm not sure what exactly you want be pfsense is my favorite
>> firewall. Very very stable.  I have it on vms dell hardware or applience
>> hardware rock solid for years.  If you want something more name brand but
>> expensive i still use cisco asas all the time but price for performance can
>> be a lot.  My friend is an engineer for F5 and they might have a solution
>> that would work great but might get pricey.
>>
>> Craig Schmaderer
>> Cell 402-380-1245
>> Skywave Wireless, Inc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 1:13 PM -0500, "Chuck McCown" < 
>> ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> I need a box.  TV headend VLAN stream goes in.  1000 Mbps.
>>
>>
>>
>> Box encapsulates it and launches it on the public internet.
>>
>> At the far end,  another box reverses the situation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Years ago I used Cisco PIX for this type of thing.
>>
>> Looking over pre-baked solutions I see lots of specs about number of
>> users, or tunnels or sessions.
>>
>>
>>
>> I care about one single VLAN type of  pipe, being wrapped up and
>> unwrapped.  Only.
>>
>>
>>
>> But performance has to be flawless.  Robust.  Plenty of CPU & Memory
>> overhead.
>>
>>
>>
>> Recommendations?
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

[Justin Wilson]

Have had one on top of a grain leg for over a year now.  Replaced an x86 
maxxwave that was getting close to thermal issues.  Also allowed us to 
eliminate a media converter.  Works great.

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Jun 30, 2016, at 10:08 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
>  wrote:
> 
> You can also power them off a standard PoE switch which is cool.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Josh Reynolds  > wrote:
> I actually just deployed 2 today as 1Gbps active demarcs.
> 
> The dual power supply version went in at a different place last week.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke  > wrote:
> > I could see this being quite useful for small off-grid solar sites, such as
> > a hilltop used as an intermediate PTP relay that also has a few sectors...
> >
> > $425 for the version without SFP+, $495 for the one with SFP+
> >
> > http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC 
> > 
> >
> > http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC-151223131816.pdf 
> > 
> >
> >
> 

Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

[Sterling Jacobson]

Pretty sure a CCR routerboard would do IPSEC tunnels at 1Gbps.

Maybe $500 version?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 7:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

None of these are likely to provide the necessary encryption. I'm not sure that 
anything less than IPSEC would be sufficient.


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From: "Bill Prince" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 6:39:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

A couple of x86 routers running Mikrotik L2TP between them?



bp




On 7/3/2016 4:08 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
Any can't you use a CCR1009 with a EOIP, pptp, etc setup?

On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
O*U*C*H
OK, need cheap too during experimentation   (Cheap, solid, high 
performance, flawless easy to find,  right)
Will take a look at UBNT.  I don’t know much about their products.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 4:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

The best tunneling device I’ve seen is Peplink.  The catch being, you would 
need the 2500 to get 1Gbps but it will go up to 2Gbps and it’s not cheap, $15K 
on each side although I’m sure I could help you find a discount.  Rock solid, 
we have run them for months without even touching them and years on the same 
firmware.

To get the throughput you are looking for though, I’d consider Ubiquiti 
routers.  That processor handles tunneling pretty easily.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 3:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

Not really a firewall function.  A tunneling appliance.  Rock solid, low 
latency, high capacity.

From: Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 3:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

Chuck I'm not sure what exactly you want be pfsense is my favorite firewall. 
Very very stable.  I have it on vms dell hardware or applience hardware rock 
solid for years.  If you want something more name brand but expensive i still 
use cisco asas all the time but price for performance can be a lot.  My friend 
is an engineer for F5 and they might have a solution that would work great but 
might get pricey.
Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.


On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 1:13 PM -0500, "Chuck McCown" 
> wrote:
I need a box.  TV headend VLAN stream goes in.  1000 Mbps.

Box encapsulates it and launches it on the public internet.
At the far end,  another box reverses the situation.

Years ago I used Cisco PIX for this type of thing.
Looking over pre-baked solutions I see lots of specs about number of  users, or 
tunnels or sessions.

I care about one single VLAN type of  pipe, being wrapped up and unwrapped.  
Only.

But performance has to be flawless.  Robust.  Plenty of CPU & Memory overhead.

Recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Jason McKemie]

There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way
things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most
companies are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be
worthwhile when available.

On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald  wrote:

> I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I
> even start?
>
> --
>
>
> Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
> wiFitz Network Services
> Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
> Phone: 319/540-8999
> Web: http://www.wifitz.net
>
> wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Mike Hammett]

That transport we talked about and I can arrange a cross connect to one. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Aaron Fitzgerald"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 10:52:27 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] IPTV 


I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I even 
start? 


-- 






Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO 
wiFitz Network Services 
Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor 
Phone: 319/540-8999 
Web: http://www.wifitz.net 


wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC 

Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

[Mike Hammett]

None of these are likely to provide the necessary encryption. I'm not sure that 
anything less than IPSEC would be sufficient. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Bill Prince"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 6:39:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance 


A couple of x86 routers running Mikrotik L2TP between them? 

bp
 
On 7/3/2016 4:08 PM, TJ Trout wrote: 



Any can't you use a CCR1009 with a EOIP, pptp, etc setup? 


On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






O*U*C*H 
OK, need cheap too during experimentation (Cheap, solid, high performance, 
flawless easy to find, right) 
Will take a look at UBNT. I don’t know much about their products. 




From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 4:33 PM 


To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance 





The best tunneling device I’ve seen is Peplink. The catch being, you would need 
the 2500 to get 1Gbps but it will go up to 2Gbps and it’s not cheap, $15K on 
each side although I’m sure I could help you find a discount. Rock solid, we 
have run them for months without even touching them and years on the same 
firmware. 

To get the throughput you are looking for though, I’d consider Ubiquiti 
routers. That processor handles tunneling pretty easily. 

Rory 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 3:27 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance 




Not really a firewall function. A tunneling appliance. Rock solid, low latency, 
high capacity. 






From: Craig Schmaderer 

Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 3:05 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance 




Chuck I'm not sure what exactly you want be pfsense is my favorite firewall. 
Very very stable. I have it on vms dell hardware or applience hardware rock 
solid for years. If you want something more name brand but expensive i still 
use cisco asas all the time but price for performance can be a lot. My friend 
is an engineer for F5 and they might have a solution that would work great but 
might get pricey. 

Craig Schmaderer 
Cell 402-380-1245 
Skywave Wireless, Inc. 






On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 1:13 PM -0500, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 




I need a box. TV headend VLAN stream goes in. 1000 Mbps. 



Box encapsulates it and launches it on the public internet. 

At the far end, another box reverses the situation. 



Years ago I used Cisco PIX for this type of thing. 

Looking over pre-baked solutions I see lots of specs about number of users, or 
tunnels or sessions. 



I care about one single VLAN type of pipe, being wrapped up and unwrapped. 
Only. 



But performance has to be flawless. Robust. Plenty of CPU & Memory overhead. 



Recommendations? 

Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

[Rory Conaway]

Will a CCR1009 do 1Gbps over a secured VPN tunnel?  We run a lot of them but 
most of our tunnels are fairly low bandwidth.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 4:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

Any can't you use a CCR1009 with a EOIP, pptp, etc setup?

On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
O*U*C*H
OK, need cheap too during experimentation   (Cheap, solid, high 
performance, flawless easy to find,  right)
Will take a look at UBNT.  I don’t know much about their products.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 4:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

The best tunneling device I’ve seen is Peplink.  The catch being, you would 
need the 2500 to get 1Gbps but it will go up to 2Gbps and it’s not cheap, $15K 
on each side although I’m sure I could help you find a discount.  Rock solid, 
we have run them for months without even touching them and years on the same 
firmware.

To get the throughput you are looking for though, I’d consider Ubiquiti 
routers.  That processor handles tunneling pretty easily.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 3:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

Not really a firewall function.  A tunneling appliance.  Rock solid, low 
latency, high capacity.

From: Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 3:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

Chuck I'm not sure what exactly you want be pfsense is my favorite firewall. 
Very very stable.  I have it on vms dell hardware or applience hardware rock 
solid for years.  If you want something more name brand but expensive i still 
use cisco asas all the time but price for performance can be a lot.  My friend 
is an engineer for F5 and they might have a solution that would work great but 
might get pricey.
Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.


On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 1:13 PM -0500, "Chuck McCown" 
> wrote:
I need a box.  TV headend VLAN stream goes in.  1000 Mbps.

Box encapsulates it and launches it on the public internet.
At the far end,  another box reverses the situation.

Years ago I used Cisco PIX for this type of thing.
Looking over pre-baked solutions I see lots of specs about number of  users, or 
tunnels or sessions.

I care about one single VLAN type of  pipe, being wrapped up and unwrapped.  
Only.

But performance has to be flawless.  Robust.  Plenty of CPU & Memory overhead.

Recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

[Chuck McCown]

None other than my own ignorance.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 5:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

Any can't you use a CCR1009 with a EOIP, pptp, etc setup?

On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  O*U*C*H
  OK, need cheap too during experimentation   (Cheap, solid, high 
performance, flawless easy to find,  right)
  Will take a look at UBNT.  I don’t know much about their products.  

  From: Rory Conaway 
  Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 4:33 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

  The best tunneling device I’ve seen is Peplink.  The catch being, you would 
need the 2500 to get 1Gbps but it will go up to 2Gbps and it’s not cheap, $15K 
on each side although I’m sure I could help you find a discount.  Rock solid, 
we have run them for months without even touching them and years on the same 
firmware.  



  To get the throughput you are looking for though, I’d consider Ubiquiti 
routers.  That processor handles tunneling pretty easily.



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 3:27 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance



  Not really a firewall function.  A tunneling appliance.  Rock solid, low 
latency, high capacity.  



  From: Craig Schmaderer 

  Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 3:05 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance



  Chuck I'm not sure what exactly you want be pfsense is my favorite firewall. 
Very very stable.  I have it on vms dell hardware or applience hardware rock 
solid for years.  If you want something more name brand but expensive i still 
use cisco asas all the time but price for performance can be a lot.  My friend 
is an engineer for F5 and they might have a solution that would work great but 
might get pricey. 

  Craig Schmaderer
  Cell 402-380-1245
  Skywave Wireless, Inc.







  On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 1:13 PM -0500, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  I need a box.  TV headend VLAN stream goes in.  1000 Mbps.



  Box encapsulates it and launches it on the public internet.

  At the far end,  another box reverses the situation.  



  Years ago I used Cisco PIX for this type of thing.

  Looking over pre-baked solutions I see lots of specs about number of  users, 
or tunnels or sessions.  



  I care about one single VLAN type of  pipe, being wrapped up and unwrapped.  
Only.  



  But performance has to be flawless.  Robust.  Plenty of CPU & Memory overhead.



  Recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

[Bill Prince]

A couple of x86 routers running Mikrotik L2TP between them?


bp


On 7/3/2016 4:08 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

Any can't you use a CCR1009 with a EOIP, pptp, etc setup?

On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


O*U*C*H
OK, need cheap too during experimentation (Cheap, solid, high
performance, flawless easy to find,  right)
Will take a look at UBNT.  I don’t know much about their products.
*From:* Rory Conaway 
*Sent:* Sunday, July 03, 2016 4:33 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

The best tunneling device I’ve seen is Peplink.  The catch being,
you would need the 2500 to get 1Gbps but it will go up to 2Gbps
and it’s not cheap, $15K on each side although I’m sure I could
help you find a discount.  Rock solid, we have run them for months
without even touching them and years on the same firmware.

To get the throughput you are looking for though, I’d consider
Ubiquiti routers. That processor handles tunneling pretty easily.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Sunday, July 3, 2016 3:27 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

Not really a firewall function.  A tunneling appliance.  Rock
solid, low latency, high capacity.

*From:*Craig Schmaderer 

*Sent:*Sunday, July 03, 2016 3:05 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

Chuck I'm not sure what exactly you want be pfsense is my favorite
firewall. Very very stable.  I have it on vms dell hardware or
applience hardware rock solid for years.  If you want something
more name brand but expensive i still use cisco asas all the time
but price for performance can be a lot.  My friend is an engineer
for F5 and they might have a solution that would work great but
might get pricey.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245 
Skywave Wireless, Inc.



On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 1:13 PM -0500, "Chuck McCown"
> wrote:

I need a box.  TV headend VLAN stream goes in.  1000 Mbps.

Box encapsulates it and launches it on the public internet.

At the far end,  another box reverses the situation.

Years ago I used Cisco PIX for this type of thing.

Looking over pre-baked solutions I see lots of specs about number
of  users, or tunnels or sessions.

I care about one single VLAN type of  pipe, being wrapped up and
unwrapped.  Only.

But performance has to be flawless.  Robust.  Plenty of CPU &
Memory overhead.

Recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

[TJ Trout]

Any can't you use a CCR1009 with a EOIP, pptp, etc setup?

On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> O*U*C*H
> OK, need cheap too during experimentation   (Cheap, solid, high
> performance, flawless easy to find,  right)
> Will take a look at UBNT.  I don’t know much about their products.
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway 
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 03, 2016 4:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance
>
>
> The best tunneling device I’ve seen is Peplink.  The catch being, you
> would need the 2500 to get 1Gbps but it will go up to 2Gbps and it’s not
> cheap, $15K on each side although I’m sure I could help you find a
> discount.  Rock solid, we have run them for months without even touching
> them and years on the same firmware.
>
>
>
> To get the throughput you are looking for though, I’d consider Ubiquiti
> routers.  That processor handles tunneling pretty easily.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 3, 2016 3:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance
>
>
>
> Not really a firewall function.  A tunneling appliance.  Rock solid, low
> latency, high capacity.
>
>
>
> *From:* Craig Schmaderer 
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 03, 2016 3:05 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance
>
>
>
> Chuck I'm not sure what exactly you want be pfsense is my favorite
> firewall. Very very stable.  I have it on vms dell hardware or applience
> hardware rock solid for years.  If you want something more name brand but
> expensive i still use cisco asas all the time but price for performance can
> be a lot.  My friend is an engineer for F5 and they might have a solution
> that would work great but might get pricey.
>
> Craig Schmaderer
> Cell 402-380-1245
> Skywave Wireless, Inc.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 1:13 PM -0500, "Chuck McCown" 
> wrote:
>
> I need a box.  TV headend VLAN stream goes in.  1000 Mbps.
>
>
>
> Box encapsulates it and launches it on the public internet.
>
> At the far end,  another box reverses the situation.
>
>
>
> Years ago I used Cisco PIX for this type of thing.
>
> Looking over pre-baked solutions I see lots of specs about number of
> users, or tunnels or sessions.
>
>
>
> I care about one single VLAN type of  pipe, being wrapped up and
> unwrapped.  Only.
>
>
>
> But performance has to be flawless.  Robust.  Plenty of CPU & Memory
> overhead.
>
>
>
> Recommendations?
>

Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

[Chuck McCown]

O*U*C*H
OK, need cheap too during experimentation   (Cheap, solid, high 
performance, flawless easy to find,  right)
Will take a look at UBNT.  I don’t know much about their products.  

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 4:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

The best tunneling device I’ve seen is Peplink.  The catch being, you would 
need the 2500 to get 1Gbps but it will go up to 2Gbps and it’s not cheap, $15K 
on each side although I’m sure I could help you find a discount.  Rock solid, 
we have run them for months without even touching them and years on the same 
firmware.  

 

To get the throughput you are looking for though, I’d consider Ubiquiti 
routers.  That processor handles tunneling pretty easily.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 3:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

 

Not really a firewall function.  A tunneling appliance.  Rock solid, low 
latency, high capacity.  

 

From: Craig Schmaderer 

Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 3:05 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

 

Chuck I'm not sure what exactly you want be pfsense is my favorite firewall. 
Very very stable.  I have it on vms dell hardware or applience hardware rock 
solid for years.  If you want something more name brand but expensive i still 
use cisco asas all the time but price for performance can be a lot.  My friend 
is an engineer for F5 and they might have a solution that would work great but 
might get pricey. 

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.

 





On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 1:13 PM -0500, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

I need a box.  TV headend VLAN stream goes in.  1000 Mbps.

 

Box encapsulates it and launches it on the public internet.

At the far end,  another box reverses the situation.  

 

Years ago I used Cisco PIX for this type of thing.

Looking over pre-baked solutions I see lots of specs about number of  users, or 
tunnels or sessions.  

 

I care about one single VLAN type of  pipe, being wrapped up and unwrapped.  
Only.  

 

But performance has to be flawless.  Robust.  Plenty of CPU & Memory overhead.

 

Recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

[Rory Conaway]

The best tunneling device I've seen is Peplink.  The catch being, you would 
need the 2500 to get 1Gbps but it will go up to 2Gbps and it's not cheap, $15K 
on each side although I'm sure I could help you find a discount.  Rock solid, 
we have run them for months without even touching them and years on the same 
firmware.

To get the throughput you are looking for though, I'd consider Ubiquiti 
routers.  That processor handles tunneling pretty easily.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 3:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

Not really a firewall function.  A tunneling appliance.  Rock solid, low 
latency, high capacity.

From: Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 3:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

Chuck I'm not sure what exactly you want be pfsense is my favorite firewall. 
Very very stable.  I have it on vms dell hardware or applience hardware rock 
solid for years.  If you want something more name brand but expensive i still 
use cisco asas all the time but price for performance can be a lot.  My friend 
is an engineer for F5 and they might have a solution that would work great but 
might get pricey.
Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.



On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 1:13 PM -0500, "Chuck McCown" 
> wrote:
I need a box.  TV headend VLAN stream goes in.  1000 Mbps.

Box encapsulates it and launches it on the public internet.
At the far end,  another box reverses the situation.

Years ago I used Cisco PIX for this type of thing.
Looking over pre-baked solutions I see lots of specs about number of  users, or 
tunnels or sessions.

I care about one single VLAN type of  pipe, being wrapped up and unwrapped.  
Only.

But performance has to be flawless.  Robust.  Plenty of CPU & Memory overhead.

Recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

[Chuck McCown]

Not really a firewall function.  A tunneling appliance.  Rock solid, low 
latency, high capacity.  

From: Craig Schmaderer 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 3:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

Chuck I'm not sure what exactly you want be pfsense is my favorite firewall. 
Very very stable.  I have it on vms dell hardware or applience hardware rock 
solid for years.  If you want something more name brand but expensive i still 
use cisco asas all the time but price for performance can be a lot.  My friend 
is an engineer for F5 and they might have a solution that would work great but 
might get pricey. 


Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.





On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 1:13 PM -0500, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:


I need a box.  TV headend VLAN stream goes in.  1000 Mbps.

Box encapsulates it and launches it on the public internet.
At the far end,  another box reverses the situation.  

Years ago I used Cisco PIX for this type of thing.
Looking over pre-baked solutions I see lots of specs about number of  users, or 
tunnels or sessions.  

I care about one single VLAN type of  pipe, being wrapped up and unwrapped.  
Only.  

But performance has to be flawless.  Robust.  Plenty of CPU & Memory overhead.

Recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

[Kade Sullivan]

You can easily do direct DC using a POE breakout plug.  I have little plugs
that plug into an ethernet port and give you + and - DC lugs

I just deployed one of these to a site feeding an Edgepoint 16 via fiber up
the tower.  Worked out incredibly well as I could power the mikrotik
directly off the load port on the charger along with sending DC up the
tower.

Seems to be working great so far

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 9:18 PM, David Milholen  wrote:

> WHOOPIE POE BIG DEAL!
>
> [I want my MTV...] External Power lugs Come On Mikrotik ...
>
> How many of us use these at remote sites and have direct DC connect for
> power
>
> Makes for efficient and less heat when doing UPS deployments.
>
>
>
> On 6/30/2016 9:08 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>
> You can also power them off a standard PoE switch which is cool.
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> I actually just deployed 2 today as 1Gbps active demarcs.
>>
>> The dual power supply version went in at a different place last week.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke < 
>> eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I could see this being quite useful for small off-grid solar sites,
>> such as
>> > a hilltop used as an intermediate PTP relay that also has a few
>> sectors...
>> >
>> > $425 for the version without SFP+, $495 for the one with SFP+
>> >
>> > http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC
>> >
>> >
>> http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC-151223131816.pdf
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

[Craig Schmaderer]

Chuck I'm not sure what exactly you want be pfsense is my favorite firewall. 
Very very stable.  I have it on vms dell hardware or applience hardware rock 
solid for years.  If you want something more name brand but expensive i still 
use cisco asas all the time but price for performance can be a lot.  My friend 
is an engineer for F5 and they might have a solution that would work great but 
might get pricey.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 1:13 PM -0500, "Chuck McCown" 
> wrote:

I need a box.  TV headend VLAN stream goes in.  1000 Mbps.

Box encapsulates it and launches it on the public internet.
At the far end,  another box reverses the situation.

Years ago I used Cisco PIX for this type of thing.
Looking over pre-baked solutions I see lots of specs about number of  users, or 
tunnels or sessions.

I care about one single VLAN type of  pipe, being wrapped up and unwrapped.  
Only.

But performance has to be flawless.  Robust.  Plenty of CPU & Memory overhead.

Recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

[Chuck McCown]

OK, now starting to understand it.  I will need one of them thar internal power 
supplies to measure up etc...

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 11:39 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

Most of the CCR's (with the exception of the passively cooled models, which 
just have a barrel connector on the back) have an internal 24v power supply - I 
think what people are wanting is a box tat will fit in place of the power 
supply and give them DC terminals where the AC plug currently is. 


On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  So the device is already DC powered and you need to have terminals rather 
than the barrel connectors.  Do I have a basic understanding?

  From: Joe Novak 
  Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 10:29 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

  I'll try to snap some pictures on Tuesday when I'm back at the office. I 
really want some DC terminals on my cloud cores.

  On Jul 3, 2016 8:57 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Still not totally sure what that photo of the PCB means.  

From: Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

Most of the CCRs have 1 PSU, but two header power connectors, if you look 
at Faisal's links you can see what we mean.  It really would be a simple 
product to produce.  low input cost, probably could sell for $25/piece.  It 
should have screw terminals labeled with input voltage allowed and pos /neg.  
You could even put in some type of fused /surge protected solution if you 
wanted to get creative :) 


Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I have not really been following this thread.  Give me some reference 
links so I can understand what it  is you need.  

  From: Erich Kaiser 
  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:25 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive 
cooling?

  Would be nice if they made a module that would fit into existing AC Plug 
hole it could have the primary and secondary terminals on it.  Chuck? 


  Erich Kaiser 
  North Central Tower
  er...@northcentraltower.com
  Office: 630-621-4804
  Cell: 630-777-9291


  On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote:

FYI... 

http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=69422


http://shop.meconet.de/Hardware-component-parts/Accessories/DC-power-cable-for-MikroTik-CCR-CRS-25cm::116243.html?language=en

:)



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "David Milholen" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 6:04:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive 
cooling?

  I am not a large WIsp but with 20 sites and more being added each 
year where I have a Mikrotik at every site plus additional Mikrotik switches to 
go at the larger sites.

  Maybe a small drop in the bucket but hey even if they had a module 
that would replace the power supply with terminals I would buy enough for all 
my sites and extra for new ones.

  I am sure Someone (Chuck) could figure it out. Even if it were only 
for a few Rack mount series.

  All of our sites have some sort of DC backup no UPS. This includes 
the few we have with generators.





  On 6/30/2016 9:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

Maybe not so much in the USA, where electricity is plentiful, but 
Mikrotik is wildly popular in places like Nepal and developing nations in 
Africa. The line between WISP and ISP is blurry when a place never had 
terrestrial/wireline infrastructure of any sort to begin with.


On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

  Not many. To be fair, "remote deployments" are a tiny subset of 
WISPs, which is a tiny subset of ISPs, which is a subset of "people who deploy 
mikrotik".

  On Jun 30, 2016 9:18 PM, "David Milholen"  
wrote:

WHOOPIE POE BIG DEAL!

[I want my MTV...] External Power lugs Come On Mikrotik ... 


How many of us use these at remote sites and have direct DC 
connect for power

Makes for efficient and less heat when doing UPS deployments.





On 

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

[Mathew Howard]

Most of the CCR's (with the exception of the passively cooled models, which
just have a barrel connector on the back) have an internal 24v power supply
- I think what people are wanting is a box tat will fit in place of the
power supply and give them DC terminals where the AC plug currently is.

On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> So the device is already DC powered and you need to have terminals rather
> than the barrel connectors.  Do I have a basic understanding?
>
> *From:* Joe Novak 
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 03, 2016 10:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive
> cooling?
>
>
> I'll try to snap some pictures on Tuesday when I'm back at the office. I
> really want some DC terminals on my cloud cores.
> On Jul 3, 2016 8:57 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Still not totally sure what that photo of the PCB means.
>>
>> *From:* Erich Kaiser 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:18 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive
>> cooling?
>>
>> Most of the CCRs have 1 PSU, but two header power connectors, if you look
>> at Faisal's links you can see what we mean.  It really would be a simple
>> product to produce.  low input cost, probably could sell for $25/piece.  It
>> should have screw terminals labeled with input voltage allowed and pos
>> /neg.  You could even put in some type of fused /surge protected solution
>> if you wanted to get creative :)
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> I have not really been following this thread.  Give me some reference
>>> links so I can understand what it  is you need.
>>>
>>> *From:* Erich Kaiser 
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:25 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive
>>> cooling?
>>>
>>> Would be nice if they made a module that would fit into existing AC Plug
>>> hole it could have the primary and secondary terminals on it.  Chuck?
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>> North Central Tower
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 FYI...

 http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=69422


 http://shop.meconet.de/Hardware-component-parts/Accessories/DC-power-cable-for-MikroTik-CCR-CRS-25cm::116243.html?language=en

 :)



 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 --

 *From: *"David Milholen" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Saturday, July 2, 2016 6:04:10 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive
 cooling?

 I am not a large WIsp but with 20 sites and more being added each year
 where I have a Mikrotik at every site plus additional Mikrotik switches to
 go at the larger sites.

 Maybe a small drop in the bucket but hey even if they had a module that
 would replace the power supply with terminals I would buy enough for all my
 sites and extra for new ones.

 I am sure Someone (Chuck) could figure it out. Even if it were only for
 a few Rack mount series.

 All of our sites have some sort of DC backup no UPS. This includes the
 few we have with generators.



 On 6/30/2016 9:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

 Maybe not so much in the USA, where electricity is plentiful, but
 Mikrotik is wildly popular in places like Nepal and developing nations in
 Africa. The line between WISP and ISP is blurry when a place never had
 terrestrial/wireline infrastructure of any sort to begin with.

 On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> Not many. To be fair, "remote deployments" are a tiny subset of WISPs,
> which is a tiny subset of ISPs, which is a subset of "people who deploy
> mikrotik".
> On Jun 30, 2016 9:18 PM, "David Milholen"  wrote:
>
>> WHOOPIE POE BIG DEAL!
>>
>> [I want my MTV...] External Power lugs Come On Mikrotik ...
>>
>> How many of us use these at remote sites and have direct DC connect
>> for power
>>
>> Makes for efficient and less heat when doing UPS deployments.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/30/2016 9:08 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>>
>> You can also power them off a standard PoE switch which 

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Erich Kaiser]

Chuck can you send me their info offlist?  Thanks!
On Jul 3, 2016 10:55 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I am still working on it.  Realchoice tv is up and working well provided
> you have a VLAN to their headend signal.  They are talking to a larger tier
> 2 provider about nationwide access for $300/month.
>
> *From:* Aaron Fitzgerald 
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] IPTV
>
> I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I
> even start?
>
> --
>
>
> Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
> wiFitz Network Services
> Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
> Phone: 319/540-8999
> Web: http://www.wifitz.net
>
> wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

[Chuck McCown]

So the device is already DC powered and you need to have terminals rather than 
the barrel connectors.  Do I have a basic understanding?

From: Joe Novak 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 10:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

I'll try to snap some pictures on Tuesday when I'm back at the office. I really 
want some DC terminals on my cloud cores.

On Jul 3, 2016 8:57 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Still not totally sure what that photo of the PCB means.  

  From: Erich Kaiser 
  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:18 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

  Most of the CCRs have 1 PSU, but two header power connectors, if you look at 
Faisal's links you can see what we mean.  It really would be a simple product 
to produce.  low input cost, probably could sell for $25/piece.  It should have 
screw terminals labeled with input voltage allowed and pos /neg.  You could 
even put in some type of fused /surge protected solution if you wanted to get 
creative :) 


  Erich Kaiser 
  North Central Tower
  er...@northcentraltower.com
  Office: 630-621-4804
  Cell: 630-777-9291


  On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I have not really been following this thread.  Give me some reference links 
so I can understand what it  is you need.  

From: Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

Would be nice if they made a module that would fit into existing AC Plug 
hole it could have the primary and secondary terminals on it.  Chuck? 


Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote:

  FYI... 

  http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=69422

  
http://shop.meconet.de/Hardware-component-parts/Accessories/DC-power-cable-for-MikroTik-CCR-CRS-25cm::116243.html?language=en

  :)



  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "David Milholen" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 6:04:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive 
cooling?

I am not a large WIsp but with 20 sites and more being added each year 
where I have a Mikrotik at every site plus additional Mikrotik switches to go 
at the larger sites.

Maybe a small drop in the bucket but hey even if they had a module that 
would replace the power supply with terminals I would buy enough for all my 
sites and extra for new ones.

I am sure Someone (Chuck) could figure it out. Even if it were only for 
a few Rack mount series.

All of our sites have some sort of DC backup no UPS. This includes the 
few we have with generators.





On 6/30/2016 9:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

  Maybe not so much in the USA, where electricity is plentiful, but 
Mikrotik is wildly popular in places like Nepal and developing nations in 
Africa. The line between WISP and ISP is blurry when a place never had 
terrestrial/wireline infrastructure of any sort to begin with.


  On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:

Not many. To be fair, "remote deployments" are a tiny subset of 
WISPs, which is a tiny subset of ISPs, which is a subset of "people who deploy 
mikrotik".

On Jun 30, 2016 9:18 PM, "David Milholen"  
wrote:

  WHOOPIE POE BIG DEAL!

  [I want my MTV...] External Power lugs Come On Mikrotik ... 


  How many of us use these at remote sites and have direct DC 
connect for power

  Makes for efficient and less heat when doing UPS deployments.





  On 6/30/2016 9:08 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

You can also power them off a standard PoE switch which is cool.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

  I actually just deployed 2 today as 1Gbps active demarcs.

  The dual power supply version went in at a different place 
last week.


  On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
 wrote:
  > I could see this being quite useful for small off-grid 
solar sites, such as
  > a hilltop used as an intermediate PTP relay that also has a 
few sectors...
  >
  > $425 for the version 

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

[Joe Novak]

I'll try to snap some pictures on Tuesday when I'm back at the office. I
really want some DC terminals on my cloud cores.
On Jul 3, 2016 8:57 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Still not totally sure what that photo of the PCB means.
>
> *From:* Erich Kaiser 
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive
> cooling?
>
> Most of the CCRs have 1 PSU, but two header power connectors, if you look
> at Faisal's links you can see what we mean.  It really would be a simple
> product to produce.  low input cost, probably could sell for $25/piece.  It
> should have screw terminals labeled with input voltage allowed and pos
> /neg.  You could even put in some type of fused /surge protected solution
> if you wanted to get creative :)
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I have not really been following this thread.  Give me some reference
>> links so I can understand what it  is you need.
>>
>> *From:* Erich Kaiser 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:25 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive
>> cooling?
>>
>> Would be nice if they made a module that would fit into existing AC Plug
>> hole it could have the primary and secondary terminals on it.  Chuck?
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> FYI...
>>>
>>> http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=69422
>>>
>>>
>>> http://shop.meconet.de/Hardware-component-parts/Accessories/DC-power-cable-for-MikroTik-CCR-CRS-25cm::116243.html?language=en
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"David Milholen" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Saturday, July 2, 2016 6:04:10 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive
>>> cooling?
>>>
>>> I am not a large WIsp but with 20 sites and more being added each year
>>> where I have a Mikrotik at every site plus additional Mikrotik switches to
>>> go at the larger sites.
>>>
>>> Maybe a small drop in the bucket but hey even if they had a module that
>>> would replace the power supply with terminals I would buy enough for all my
>>> sites and extra for new ones.
>>>
>>> I am sure Someone (Chuck) could figure it out. Even if it were only for
>>> a few Rack mount series.
>>>
>>> All of our sites have some sort of DC backup no UPS. This includes the
>>> few we have with generators.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/30/2016 9:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe not so much in the USA, where electricity is plentiful, but
>>> Mikrotik is wildly popular in places like Nepal and developing nations in
>>> Africa. The line between WISP and ISP is blurry when a place never had
>>> terrestrial/wireline infrastructure of any sort to begin with.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Not many. To be fair, "remote deployments" are a tiny subset of WISPs,
 which is a tiny subset of ISPs, which is a subset of "people who deploy
 mikrotik".
 On Jun 30, 2016 9:18 PM, "David Milholen"  wrote:

> WHOOPIE POE BIG DEAL!
>
> [I want my MTV...] External Power lugs Come On Mikrotik ...
>
> How many of us use these at remote sites and have direct DC connect
> for power
>
> Makes for efficient and less heat when doing UPS deployments.
>
>
>
> On 6/30/2016 9:08 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>
> You can also power them off a standard PoE switch which is cool.
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> I actually just deployed 2 today as 1Gbps active demarcs.
>>
>> The dual power supply version went in at a different place last week.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>> > I could see this being quite useful for small off-grid solar sites,
>> such as
>> > a hilltop used as an intermediate PTP relay that also has a few
>> sectors...
>> >
>> > $425 for the version without SFP+, $495 for the one with SFP+
>> >
>> > http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC
>> >
>> >
>> http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC-151223131816.pdf
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
>

>>>
>>> --

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Chuck McCown]

I am still working on it.  Realchoice tv is up and working well provided you 
have a VLAN to their headend signal.  They are talking to a larger tier 2 
provider about nationwide access for $300/month.  

From: Aaron Fitzgerald 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] IPTV

I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I even 
start?


-- 




Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
wiFitz Network Services
Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
Phone: 319/540-8999
Web: http://www.wifitz.net

wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC

[AFMUG] IPTV

[Aaron Fitzgerald]

I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I
even start?

-- 


Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
wiFitz Network Services
Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
Phone: 319/540-8999
Web: http://www.wifitz.net

wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

[Chuck McCown]

Still not totally sure what that photo of the PCB means.  

From: Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

Most of the CCRs have 1 PSU, but two header power connectors, if you look at 
Faisal's links you can see what we mean.  It really would be a simple product 
to produce.  low input cost, probably could sell for $25/piece.  It should have 
screw terminals labeled with input voltage allowed and pos /neg.  You could 
even put in some type of fused /surge protected solution if you wanted to get 
creative :) 


Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I have not really been following this thread.  Give me some reference links 
so I can understand what it  is you need.  

  From: Erich Kaiser 
  Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:25 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

  Would be nice if they made a module that would fit into existing AC Plug hole 
it could have the primary and secondary terminals on it.  Chuck? 


  Erich Kaiser 
  North Central Tower
  er...@northcentraltower.com
  Office: 630-621-4804
  Cell: 630-777-9291


  On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote:

FYI... 

http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=69422


http://shop.meconet.de/Hardware-component-parts/Accessories/DC-power-cable-for-MikroTik-CCR-CRS-25cm::116243.html?language=en

:)



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "David Milholen" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 6:04:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive 
cooling?

  I am not a large WIsp but with 20 sites and more being added each year 
where I have a Mikrotik at every site plus additional Mikrotik switches to go 
at the larger sites.

  Maybe a small drop in the bucket but hey even if they had a module that 
would replace the power supply with terminals I would buy enough for all my 
sites and extra for new ones.

  I am sure Someone (Chuck) could figure it out. Even if it were only for a 
few Rack mount series.

  All of our sites have some sort of DC backup no UPS. This includes the 
few we have with generators.





  On 6/30/2016 9:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

Maybe not so much in the USA, where electricity is plentiful, but 
Mikrotik is wildly popular in places like Nepal and developing nations in 
Africa. The line between WISP and ISP is blurry when a place never had 
terrestrial/wireline infrastructure of any sort to begin with.


On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:

  Not many. To be fair, "remote deployments" are a tiny subset of 
WISPs, which is a tiny subset of ISPs, which is a subset of "people who deploy 
mikrotik".

  On Jun 30, 2016 9:18 PM, "David Milholen"  wrote:

WHOOPIE POE BIG DEAL!

[I want my MTV...] External Power lugs Come On Mikrotik ... 


How many of us use these at remote sites and have direct DC connect 
for power

Makes for efficient and less heat when doing UPS deployments.





On 6/30/2016 9:08 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

  You can also power them off a standard PoE switch which is cool.

  On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

I actually just deployed 2 today as 1Gbps active demarcs.

The dual power supply version went in at a different place last 
week.


On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
 wrote:
> I could see this being quite useful for small off-grid solar 
sites, such as
> a hilltop used as an intermediate PTP relay that also has a 
few sectors...
>
> $425 for the version without SFP+, $495 for the one with SFP+
>
> http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC
>
> 
http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC-151223131816.pdf
>
>




-- 





  -- 

Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

[Paul Stewart]

It’s an old arrangement that hasn’t been reviewed in long time … and I’m fine 
with that :)  They used to publish their peering agreement but they don’t any 
longer.  At the time, we met most of their requirements though (but not all)… 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: July 2, 2016 2:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

 

I would also like to point out that very few networks on this list (I'm 
surprised you are) would have the scale to peer with Cogent. I ws referring to 
using BGP communities to limit one's Cogent transit to their customers only.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 




  _  

From: "Paul Stewart"  >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 12:34:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

Not sure what there is to take advantage of … we prefer peering always over 
transit.  PNI higher than public peering – pretty standard stuff for a lot of 
networks….

 

75k or so routes from them on-net of which about 35k are “best route” against 
other peered route options to their customers.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: July 2, 2016 8:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

 

I think you need some BGP tweaks to better take advantage of Cogent, given the 
scale of their network.

  http://bgp.he.net/report/peers
  http://as-rank.caida.org/
  
http://research.dyn.com/2016/04/a-bakers-dozen-2015-edition/



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 




  _  

From: "Paul Stewart" <  p...@paulstewart.org>
To:   af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:23:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

That number of directly connected customers is dropping … we used to buy 
transit from them a number of years back – a lot of issues with routing in 
different regions, mainly in the US … then we dropped their transit and peered 
with them on PNI’s.  The traffic (which is only their on-net traffic to be 
specific) hasn’t changed much in last couple of years, I think it’s actually 
dropped some – but regardless it accounts for only 3% of our traffic in total ….

 

Paul

 

 

From: Af [  mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Peter Kranz
Sent: July 2, 2016 2:04 AM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

 

Cogent is great as long as you have another peer to balance out “issues”. They 
have a shitload of the internet as directly connected customers. 

 

-PK

 

From: Af [  mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:44 PM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

 

Location does make a big difference. I would in no way use them for a single 
upstream. For one, Cogent doesn't have the entire IPv6 Internet. They are great 
in a mix, especially if you have a route management platform or take only 
customer routes.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   

Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

[Paul Stewart]

NDA’s in effect so can’t post specific numbers … 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: July 2, 2016 6:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

 

I agree, Cogent does not want a PNI they want to sell you their transit and 
don't care what you do with it, at least that is my experience.   What type of 
bandwidth levels did you have to get to with them to be able to do a PNI?




 

Erich Kaiser

North Central Tower

er...@northcentraltower.com  

Office: 630-621-4804

Cell: 630-777-9291

 

 

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Mike Hammett  > wrote:

I would also like to point out that very few networks on this list (I'm 
surprised you are) would have the scale to peer with Cogent. I ws referring to 
using BGP communities to limit one's Cogent transit to their customers only.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





  _  


From: "Paul Stewart"  >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 12:34:51 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

Not sure what there is to take advantage of … we prefer peering always over 
transit.  PNI higher than public peering – pretty standard stuff for a lot of 
networks….

 

75k or so routes from them on-net of which about 35k are “best route” against 
other peered route options to their customers.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: July 2, 2016 8:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

 

I think you need some BGP tweaks to better take advantage of Cogent, given the 
scale of their network.

  http://bgp.he.net/report/peers
  http://as-rank.caida.org/
  
http://research.dyn.com/2016/04/a-bakers-dozen-2015-edition/



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





  _  


From: "Paul Stewart"  >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:23:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

That number of directly connected customers is dropping … we used to buy 
transit from them a number of years back – a lot of issues with routing in 
different regions, mainly in the US … then we dropped their transit and peered 
with them on PNI’s.  The traffic (which is only their on-net traffic to be 
specific) hasn’t changed much in last couple of years, I think it’s actually 
dropped some – but regardless it accounts for only 3% of our traffic in total ….

 

Paul

 

 

From: Af [  mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Peter Kranz
Sent: July 2, 2016 2:04 AM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

 

Cogent is great as long as you have another peer to balance out “issues”. They 
have a shitload of the internet as directly connected customers. 

 

-PK

 

From: Af [  mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:44 PM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

 

Location does make a big difference. I would in no way use them for a single 
upstream. For one, Cogent doesn't have the entire IPv6 Internet. They are great 
in a mix, especially if you have a route management platform or take only 
customer routes.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions