Re: [AFMUG] ot: paypal payments

[Steve Jones]

So, how are service fees handled?
I don't have an issue with a fee, my tax lady takes care of it if I pay it.
I got behind paypal once I got a payment over 1k from a legitimate actual
company, If they paid me wrong because they have a guy who knows how to
skirt taxes, I don't want anything to do with it.
Ill never clear 100k in paypal payments, so its not like Ill ever be a big
guy, but I don't want to go to prison because I can take a 20k payment
through paypal. I know on my side I'm always paying my taxes. I just always
saw paypal as a 6- 200 dollar pay mechanism, beyond that I iaways assumed
an invoice with a corporate check. corporate checks I always assume have
some tax guy making sure whats what. I assume as long as I'm paying any
applicable tax that I'm golden, I just like immediate cash flow with no
paper checks or ACH fees.

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 12:04 AM, Colin Stanners 
wrote:

> You're not a merchant or those are friends/family type no-fee
> transactions. For business recipients they take a few %, that adds up
> really quickly.
>
> https://www.quora.com/How-does-PayPal-make-money-1
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:57 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> How does paypal make money outside paypal buyer credit? I remember way
>> bac in the day, it was two things to take a payment or make a payment. I
>> prefer to pay with paaypal, I actually will opt not to donate to certain
>> causes (dick that I am, a big percentage of my income goes to donations,
>> like don't tell the old lady how much of those random paypal expenses
>> aren't to "buy gear for work")
>> I never felt good about it cause in the day there were fees to the
>> recipient. but recently Ive found a lot of my folks I do 1099 work actually
>> prefer to pay me paypal. I dig the shit out of it, I get free transaction
>> documentation (this is the sole reason I started taking those payments, it
>> costs me anywhere I log a a payment) but I haven't got a transaction fee or
>> anything, no balance percentage, nothing. I just dump 30-35 percent into my
>> tax account on any payment depending on the gig.
>> How do they stay in business since it appears outside buyer credit its
>> fre, or am I just small enough they don't charge me?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ot: paypal payments

[Colin Stanners]

You're not a merchant or those are friends/family type no-fee transactions.
For business recipients they take a few %, that adds up really quickly.

https://www.quora.com/How-does-PayPal-make-money-1

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:57 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> How does paypal make money outside paypal buyer credit? I remember way bac
> in the day, it was two things to take a payment or make a payment. I prefer
> to pay with paaypal, I actually will opt not to donate to certain causes
> (dick that I am, a big percentage of my income goes to donations, like
> don't tell the old lady how much of those random paypal expenses aren't to
> "buy gear for work")
> I never felt good about it cause in the day there were fees to the
> recipient. but recently Ive found a lot of my folks I do 1099 work actually
> prefer to pay me paypal. I dig the shit out of it, I get free transaction
> documentation (this is the sole reason I started taking those payments, it
> costs me anywhere I log a a payment) but I haven't got a transaction fee or
> anything, no balance percentage, nothing. I just dump 30-35 percent into my
> tax account on any payment depending on the gig.
> How do they stay in business since it appears outside buyer credit its
> fre, or am I just small enough they don't charge me?
>

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[Steve Jones]

you robbed them too?

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:21 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
> 5 at like 17.98 or some nonsense
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Steve Jones" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] kodi?
> Date: Fri, May 26, 2017 10:39 PM
>
> I remember back in the day, there was BMG, you could order your 99 cent CD
> and get like 13 free as long as you committed to ordering something like 5
> over the next year, the margin was so big they could do that without a
> diehard contract.
> I ripped them off like 5 times without recourse
> I think the music CD market to home is what killed societies
> accountability. It was almost like they were saying, please, rip us off.
> Its gone downhill from there
> People literally believe that "freedom" encompasses unrestricted, unpaid
> access to entertainment, at no fee
> I'm A thief, in regard to BMG, I literally stole, but they let me
> I almost wonder if God is running out of space upstairs, he didn't expect
> us to copulate and reproduce like rabbits. Hew knew come rapture, he would
> have too much an influx to handle, so he gave us the "open internet" to
> offset some of the intake
> It is theft, no matter how its justified, this coming from a theif
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 10:04 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] kodi?
>> Date: Fri, May 26, 2017 10:04 PM
>>
>> This was 15 years ago.
>>
>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 8:55 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
>>
>>
>> Can you actually contact an automated bot?  :)
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: >
>> Subject: [AFMUG] kodi?
>> Date: Fri, May 26, 2017 9:53 PM
>>
>> I used to have some pretty pointed language in my AUP.  Something along
>> the lines of we consider you guilty until proven innocent and we will
>> suspend you on complaint.  Then when it happened, we made them contact
>> whatever agency sent the complaint and made them get an all clear from
>> them.
>>
>> First one I remember suspending was the local HS Principal’s account.
>> His kid was stealing movies.
>>
>> *From:* Al Rachide
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 8:43 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
>>
>> This thread gives proof to the need to have a "no illegal activity"
>> clause in our TOS. We are just starting our WISP, Eastern carolina
>> Broadband, and I have been charged with the job of consolidating our TOS
>> into a readable form. This WILL be addressed before we sign up our first
>> customer.
>> To all that have contributed to this post, we thank you. This is really
>> good stuff!
>>
>> --
>> Al Rachide
>> Eastern Carolina Broadband, LLC
>> Pink Hill, NC
>> 252-521-0637 <(252)%20521-0637>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] ot: paypal payments

[Steve Jones]

How does paypal make money outside paypal buyer credit? I remember way bac
in the day, it was two things to take a payment or make a payment. I prefer
to pay with paaypal, I actually will opt not to donate to certain causes
(dick that I am, a big percentage of my income goes to donations, like
don't tell the old lady how much of those random paypal expenses aren't to
"buy gear for work")
I never felt good about it cause in the day there were fees to the
recipient. but recently Ive found a lot of my folks I do 1099 work actually
prefer to pay me paypal. I dig the shit out of it, I get free transaction
documentation (this is the sole reason I started taking those payments, it
costs me anywhere I log a a payment) but I haven't got a transaction fee or
anything, no balance percentage, nothing. I just dump 30-35 percent into my
tax account on any payment depending on the gig.
How do they stay in business since it appears outside buyer credit its fre,
or am I just small enough they don't charge me?

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Steve Jones]

can we revisit this quarterly?

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 6:21 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Hey Paul …. thanks for the clarification and apologies if I suggested that
> this was around cost…. I know I do and many folks on this list appreciate
> the work being done here to support the list.
>
> I like a list that is self policing and low on formal policies … yes,
> every mailing list needs some rules for sure but keeping it “loose” works
> well for a group like this IMHO
>
> Personally, I like this list a lot - it’s a “goto” list for me even though
> day to day I don’t work with a lot of wireless (our company has a WISP
> operation but I’m only involved from the distance).  I like the list
> because it’s mainly WISP folks who often come up with the absolute most
> creative ways to approach problems … that’s just my take.
>
> thanks,
> Paul
>
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck
> and support the valued members that found the list a great resource.
> PDMNet wanted to give back to the WISP community.
>
> Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by
> traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I
> could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at
> least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to
> fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email
> flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we
> made the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a
> server based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no
> other drama.  We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.
> I love maintenance free.
>
> I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political
> season came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely
> LOVE hear about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are
> investing or anything like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I
> wouldn’t want to filter that.  I love hearing what this groups other
> opinions are on a multitude of OT subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t
> stand the absolute garbage that gets spewed (JMO) over and over…  and
> over.  We get it.  You don’t like the president AT ALL.  You want to
> continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  We truly do.  You have
> fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s mind who does hatse
> the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  JMO
>
> As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less
> technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it
> does take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to
> creep into many other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good
> contributing members have become distant or gone completely.  Some people
> do not want to have to sort through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never
> watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t
> complain.  They just go away.  I chose to say something.
>
> Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header
> like PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something
> similar and then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP
> non-business related discussions
>
> I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there
> were others too …
>
> Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already
> have the infrastructure (which I do)
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive
> anyway, but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to
> avoid draining Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be
> more than $100/month each.
>
> bp
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>
> I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been
> utter garbage for sure.
>
> What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have
> benefited from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the
> list directly, so here goes.
>
> *Just FYI, in 

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

5 at like 17.98 or some nonsense

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] kodi?
Date: Fri, May 26, 2017 10:39 PM

I remember back in the day, there was BMG, you could order your 99 cent CD and 
get like 13 free as long as you committed to ordering something like 5 over the 
next year, the margin was so big they could do that without a diehard contract.
I ripped them off like 5 times without recourse
I think the music CD market to home is what killed societies accountability. It 
was almost like they were saying, please, rip us off.
Its gone downhill from there
People literally believe that "freedom" encompasses unrestricted, unpaid access 
to entertainment, at no fee
I'm A thief, in regard to BMG, I literally stole, but they let me
I almost wonder if God is running out of space upstairs, he didn't expect us to 
copulate and reproduce like rabbits. Hew knew come rapture, he would have too 
much an influx to handle, so he gave us the "open internet" to offset some of 
the intake
It is theft, no matter how its justified, this coming from a theif 

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 10:04 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:


:)

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] kodi?
Date: Fri, May 26, 2017 10:04 PM





This was 15 years ago.



 


From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:55 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?


 



 

Can you actually contact an automated bot?  :)

 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

 

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 

To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] 
kodi?
Date: Fri, May 26, 2017 9:53 PM

 



I used to have some pretty pointed language in my AUP.  Something 
along the lines of we consider you guilty until proven innocent and we will 
suspend you on complaint.  Then when it happened, we made them contact 
whatever agency sent the complaint and made them get an all clear from 
them.  

 

First one I remember suspending was the local HS Principal’s account.  
His kid was stealing movies.  



 


From: Al 
Rachide 

Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:43 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?


 



This thread gives proof to the need to have a "no illegal activity" clause 
in our TOS. We are just starting our WISP, Eastern carolina Broadband, and I 
have been charged with the job of consolidating our TOS into a readable form. 
This WILL be addressed before we sign up our first customer.
To all 
that have contributed to this post, we thank you. This is really good stuff!


-- 

Al 
Rachide
Eastern Carolina Broadband, LLC
Pink Hill, 
NC
252-521-0637

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[Mike Hammett]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYCiTx7TwEI 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 9:29:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi? 


Good luck. Even this list (which is supposed to be technical) is acting like a 
70 year old man hearing that devil's rock and roll for the first time. 


- Josh 


On May 26, 2017 7:40 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Let's be sure to delineate Kodi from the illegal content plugins. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 7:38:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi? 



FYI, kodi has been hit, the subtitles were hijacked to inject malicious voodoo. 
I use kodi, with exodus for programs I like 
its illegal 
amazon banned them, they will literally destroy your inventory 
facebook banned them 
google is looking at how to ban them 
I just got a raspberry pi 3 to make a dedicated kodi box, I bought a half price 
chineese, one, its a knockoff, probably already infected with something I cant 
remove, but does it matter when I'm putting an app to do illegal stuff with on 
it? 


If somebody says firestick, assume theyre running kodi, and several preloaded 
addons 


kodi is a great avenue for distributed computing (bitcoin mining), botnet, 
general IOT fuckery. 


kodi is and always should be a zero support ISP issue, enforce your AUP TOS 
immediately, they either don't know what theyre doing... or they do, and I'm 
not sure which person is more of a threat to your netblock reputation. The EU 
will ultimately block your netblock, theyre not messing around with kodi, and 
they have some sort of magic to be able to specifically identify kodi traffic, 
my guess is they have an algorithm to identify aggregator traffic 


On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Paul Stewart < p...@paulstewart.org > wrote: 




A lot of the free content comes from pawned servers and computers that are on 
high speed links …. the paid services are typically dedicated servers rented 
with flat rate bandwidth … at least with that I’ve figured out ... 






From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 2:53 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi? 


Who is paying for all this bandwidth that the *servers* are providing for 
"ill-legitimate" content? 



On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies < m...@mailmt.com > 
wrote: 





Mark, 

Here is the link I was talking about 

http://blog.skystreamx.com/fix-kodi-buffering/ 

-- 
Best regards, 
Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com 

Myakka Technologies, Inc. 
www.MyakkaTech.com 

Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life 
http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL 

Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html 
-- 

Thursday, May 25, 2017, 10:52:39 PM, you wrote: 
Kurt, 

I read somewhere that kodi needs about 10-15meg connection to work correctly. 
Not sure if that was for live tv or everything. Think I have the article 
bookmarked at the office. I'll check in the morning and post it if I find it. 

-- 
Best regards, 
Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com 

Myakka Technologies, Inc. 
www.MyakkaTech.com 

Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life 
http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL 

Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html 
-- 

Thursday, May 25, 2017, 12:50:45 PM, you wrote: 
I am getting more and more calls every week from clients saying that their 
"streaming isn't working." Upon investigating each one of these cases the 
customer always has purchased a "jailbroken" firestick loaded with KODI and 
they are expecting to watch all kinds of movies for free. From what I can tell 
this is very un-reliable compared to just paying for Netflix. Sometimes the 
streams work and sometimes they don't. I basically have been telling customers 
that what their doing is no different than the old satellite days where people 
put the hacked cards into their set top boxes and get all the satellite 
channels for free. But those cards were always getting "zapped" and you were 
constantly having to get new cards and re-program cards so your spending so 
much time dealing with the "un-reliable' TV watching experience that it would 
have just been cheaper to pay for the service legally in the first place. My 
solution for these customers has been to just tell them to pay $10 for Netflix 
and be done with it. 


On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:02 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller < 
par...@cyberbroadband.net > wrote: 




haven't been able to reach him yet. 
- Original Message - 
From: Jeremy 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:26 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi? 

[AFMUG] OT: aging and shouldas

[Steve Jones]

I'm only 39, not that old, given my lifestyle, particularly in my formative
years, my doctor would describe me as a very robust 92 year old.
Ive been in and out of work for the last week because of ringing in my
ears. I was freaked out as fist, given a blackout on a tower last month,
that I was prepping out for a stroke.
Turns out its probably tinnitus, not looking forward to this, at all. Id
rather do a stroke and croak.
fans are really bad, really really really freaking bad.
I laid a brick sidewalk a few years ago, fought the city to save it, I lost
the one on the north side of the house, fired the city concrete crew on the
west side and put my brick sidewalk back in. this thing is a thing of
beauty, 8 inches compacted road rock on top of 4 inches compacted lime,
smoooth, flat, wonderful. literally a freaking road, but I had to stop
cutting the edge fillers because even with ear plugs in ear muffs the sound
of the tile saw made me sick.
I cant even run a circular saw very long
Now I know why.
Wear your fucking ear protection
seriously
it matters
I shoulda

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[Steve Jones]

I remember back in the day, there was BMG, you could order your 99 cent CD
and get like 13 free as long as you committed to ordering something like 5
over the next year, the margin was so big they could do that without a
diehard contract.
I ripped them off like 5 times without recourse
I think the music CD market to home is what killed societies
accountability. It was almost like they were saying, please, rip us off.
Its gone downhill from there
People literally believe that "freedom" encompasses unrestricted, unpaid
access to entertainment, at no fee
I'm A thief, in regard to BMG, I literally stole, but they let me
I almost wonder if God is running out of space upstairs, he didn't expect
us to copulate and reproduce like rabbits. Hew knew come rapture, he would
have too much an influx to handle, so he gave us the "open internet" to
offset some of the intake
It is theft, no matter how its justified, this coming from a theif

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 10:04 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
> :)
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] kodi?
> Date: Fri, May 26, 2017 10:04 PM
>
> This was 15 years ago.
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 8:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
>
>
> Can you actually contact an automated bot?  :)
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] kodi?
> Date: Fri, May 26, 2017 9:53 PM
>
> I used to have some pretty pointed language in my AUP.  Something along
> the lines of we consider you guilty until proven innocent and we will
> suspend you on complaint.  Then when it happened, we made them contact
> whatever agency sent the complaint and made them get an all clear from
> them.
>
> First one I remember suspending was the local HS Principal’s account.  His
> kid was stealing movies.
>
> *From:* Al Rachide
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 8:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
>
> This thread gives proof to the need to have a "no illegal activity" clause
> in our TOS. We are just starting our WISP, Eastern carolina Broadband, and
> I have been charged with the job of consolidating our TOS into a readable
> form. This WILL be addressed before we sign up our first customer.
> To all that have contributed to this post, we thank you. This is really
> good stuff!
>
> --
> Al Rachide
> Eastern Carolina Broadband, LLC
> Pink Hill, NC
> 252-521-0637 <(252)%20521-0637>
>

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[Chuck McCown]

This was 15 years ago.

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?


Can you actually contact an automated bot?  :)

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] kodi?
Date: Fri, May 26, 2017 9:53 PM

I used to have some pretty pointed language in my AUP.  Something along the 
lines of we consider you guilty until proven innocent and we will suspend you 
on complaint.  Then when it happened, we made them contact whatever agency sent 
the complaint and made them get an all clear from them.  

First one I remember suspending was the local HS Principal’s account.  His kid 
was stealing movies.  

From: Al Rachide 
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

This thread gives proof to the need to have a "no illegal activity" clause in 
our TOS. We are just starting our WISP, Eastern carolina Broadband, and I have 
been charged with the job of consolidating our TOS into a readable form. This 
WILL be addressed before we sign up our first customer.

To all that have contributed to this post, we thank you. This is really good 
stuff!


-- 

Al Rachide
Eastern Carolina Broadband, LLC
Pink Hill, NC
252-521-0637

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

:)

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] kodi?
Date: Fri, May 26, 2017 10:04 PM

This was 15 years ago.




From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?




Can you actually contact an automated bot?  :)

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: Subject: [AFMUG] 
kodi?Date: Fri, May 26, 2017 9:53 PM



I used to have some pretty pointed language in my AUP.  Something 
along the lines of we consider you guilty until proven innocent and we will 
suspend you on complaint.  Then when it happened, we made them contact 
whatever agency sent the complaint and made them get an all clear from 
them.  

First one I remember suspending was the local HS Principal’s account.  
His kid was stealing movies.  




From: Al 
Rachide 
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?



This thread gives proof to the need to have a "no illegal activity" clause 
in our TOS. We are just starting our WISP, Eastern carolina Broadband, and I 
have been charged with the job of consolidating our TOS into a readable form. 
This WILL be addressed before we sign up our first customer.To all 
that have contributed to this post, we thank you. This is really good stuff!

-- 
Al 
RachideEastern Carolina Broadband, LLCPink Hill, 
NC252-521-0637

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Can you actually contact an automated bot?  :)

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] kodi?
Date: Fri, May 26, 2017 9:53 PM

I used to have some pretty pointed language in my AUP.  Something 
along the lines of we consider you guilty until proven innocent and we will 
suspend you on complaint.  Then when it happened, we made them contact 
whatever agency sent the complaint and made them get an all clear from 
them.  

First one I remember suspending was the local HS Principal’s account.  
His kid was stealing movies.  




From: Al 
Rachide 
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?



This thread gives proof to the need to have a "no illegal activity" clause 
in our TOS. We are just starting our WISP, Eastern carolina Broadband, and I 
have been charged with the job of consolidating our TOS into a readable form. 
This WILL be addressed before we sign up our first customer.To all 
that have contributed to this post, we thank you. This is really good stuff!

-- 
Al 
RachideEastern Carolina Broadband, LLCPink Hill, 
NC252-521-0637

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Hey man I was just herethis ain't my stu

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] kodi?
Date: Fri, May 26, 2017 9:35 PM

Can i rent your living room to cook meth? When your door gets kicked in will 
you reimburse me the cost of the door?

On May 26, 2017 9:12 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:Yeah.  
He calls in reporting his internet is down because we turned him off until we 
could get in touch with him.  I explained that we had received at least 200 
copyright violation notices and his first question was is he going to get a 
credit on his bill.  I kind of lost cool and said, "no, you're going to stop 
doing that" and the copyright holders would come after us if he kept 
downloading illegal content..  Then he asked me if he could use a "vpn hider" 
and I told him that we would not help him break the law.  I told him that once 
he had disabled or removed the program he is using we would turn his service 
back on.  He said that he didn't "see himself stopping" and would give it some 
thought.



Brother,  wants credit for being turned off for illegal activity, wants help 
performing illegal activity and refuses to stop illegal activity.



CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:





Hahyou do it !



Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone



- Reply message -

From: "Jay Weekley" 

To: 

Subject: [AFMUG] kodi?

Date: Fri, May 26, 2017 7:34 PM



Come on.  Share!



CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

> we made contact with the guy.  i don't really want to share what he > said.  
> lets just say he thinks he is above the law and basically > doesn't have 
> service with us anymore

>

>     - Original Message -

>     *From:* Paul Stewart 

>     *To:* af@afmug.com 

>     *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 4:22 PM

>     *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

>

>     A lot of the free content comes from pawned servers and computers

>     that are on high speed links …. the paid services are typically

>     dedicated servers rented with flat rate bandwidth … at least with

>     that I’ve figured out ...

>

>>     *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]*On Behalf Of*Kurt Fankhauser

>>     *Sent:*Friday, May 26, 2017 2:53 PM

>>     *To:*af@afmug.com 

>>     *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

>>     Who is paying for all this bandwidth that the *servers* are

>>     providing for "ill-legitimate" content?

>>     On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies

>>     > wrote:

>>

>>         Mark,

>>

>>         Here is the link I was talking about

>>

>>http://blog.skystreamx.com/fix-kodi-buffering/

>>

>>         /--

>>         Best regards,

>>         Mark /mailto:m...@mailmt.com

>>

>>         /Myakka Technologies, Inc.

>>         /www.MyakkaTech.com   
>>

>>

>>         /Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life

>>         /http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL

>>         

>>

>>         /Please Donate at Please Donate

>>         at/http://www.myakkatech..com/RFL.html

>>         /--

>>

>>         Thursday, May 25, 2017, 10:52:39 PM, you wrote:/

>>

>>

>>              

>>

>>         Kurt,

>>

>>         I read somewhere that kodi needs about 10-15meg connection to

>>         work correctly.  Not sure if that was for live tv or

>>         everything.  Think I have the article bookmarked at the

>>         office. I'll check in the morning and post it if I find it.

>>

>>         /--

>>         Best regards,

>>         Mark /mailto:m...@mailmt.com

>>

>>         /Myakka Technologies, Inc.

>>         /www.MyakkaTech.com   
>>

>>

>>         /Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life

>>         /http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL

>>         

>>

>>         /Please Donate at Please Donate

>>         at/http://www.myakkatech..com/RFL.html

>>         /--

>>

>>         Thursday, May 25, 2017, 12:50:45 PM, you wrote:/

>>

>>

>>              

>>

>>         I am getting more and more calls every week from clients

>>         saying that their "streaming isn't working." Upon

>>         investigating each one of these cases the customer always has

>>         purchased a "jailbroken" firestick loaded with KODI and they

>>         are expecting to watch all kinds of movies for free. From

>>         what I can tell this is very un-reliable compared to just

>>         paying for Netflix. Sometimes the streams work and sometimes

>>         they don't. I basically have been telling customers that what

>>         their doing is no different than the old satellite days where

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[Chuck McCown]

I used to have some pretty pointed language in my AUP.  Something along the 
lines of we consider you guilty until proven innocent and we will suspend you 
on complaint.  Then when it happened, we made them contact whatever agency sent 
the complaint and made them get an all clear from them.  

First one I remember suspending was the local HS Principal’s account.  His kid 
was stealing movies.  

From: Al Rachide 
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

This thread gives proof to the need to have a "no illegal activity" clause in 
our TOS. We are just starting our WISP, Eastern carolina Broadband, and I have 
been charged with the job of consolidating our TOS into a readable form. This 
WILL be addressed before we sign up our first customer.

To all that have contributed to this post, we thank you. This is really good 
stuff!


-- 

Al Rachide
Eastern Carolina Broadband, LLC
Pink Hill, NC
252-521-0637

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[Al Rachide]

This thread gives proof to the need to have a "no illegal activity" clause
in our TOS. We are just starting our WISP, Eastern carolina Broadband, and
I have been charged with the job of consolidating our TOS into a readable
form. This WILL be addressed before we sign up our first customer.
To all that have contributed to this post, we thank you. This is really
good stuff!

-- 
Al Rachide
Eastern Carolina Broadband, LLC
Pink Hill, NC
252-521-0637

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[Steve Jones]

Can i rent your living room to cook meth? When your door gets kicked in
will you reimburse me the cost of the door?

On May 26, 2017 9:12 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

Yeah.  He calls in reporting his internet is down because we turned him off
until we could get in touch with him.  I explained that we had received at
least 200 copyright violation notices and his first question was is he
going to get a credit on his bill.  I kind of lost cool and said, "no,
you're going to stop doing that" and the copyright holders would come after
us if he kept downloading illegal content.  Then he asked me if he could
use a "vpn hider" and I told him that we would not help him break the law.
I told him that once he had disabled or removed the program he is using we
would turn his service back on.  He said that he didn't "see himself
stopping" and would give it some thought.

Brother,  wants credit for being turned off for illegal activity, wants
help performing illegal activity and refuses to stop illegal activity.


CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

>
> Hahyou do it !
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Jay Weekley" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] kodi?
> Date: Fri, May 26, 2017 7:34 PM
>
> Come on.  Share!
>
> CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
> > we made contact with the guy.  i don't really want to share what he >
> said.  lets just say he thinks he is above the law and basically > doesn't
> have service with us anymore
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* Paul Stewart 
> > *To:* af@afmug.com 
> > *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 4:22 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
> >
> > A lot of the free content comes from pawned servers and computers
> > that are on high speed links …. the paid services are typically
> > dedicated servers rented with flat rate bandwidth … at least with
> > that I’ve figured out ...
> >
> >> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]*On Behalf Of*Kurt
> Fankhauser
> >> *Sent:*Friday, May 26, 2017 2:53 PM
> >> *To:*af@afmug.com 
> >> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
> >> Who is paying for all this bandwidth that the *servers* are
> >> providing for "ill-legitimate" content?
> >> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Mark,
> >>
> >> Here is the link I was talking about
> >>
> >>http://blog.skystreamx.com/fix-kodi-buffering/
> >>
> >> /--
> >> Best regards,
> >> Mark /mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> >>
> >> /Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> >> /www.MyakkaTech.com   <
> http://www.myakkatech.com/>
>
> >>
> >> /Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
> >> /http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
> >> 
> >>
> >> /Please Donate at Please Donate
> >> at/http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
> >> /--
> >>
> >> Thursday, May 25, 2017, 10:52:39 PM, you wrote:/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kurt,
> >>
> >> I read somewhere that kodi needs about 10-15meg connection to
> >> work correctly.  Not sure if that was for live tv or
> >> everything.  Think I have the article bookmarked at the
> >> office. I'll check in the morning and post it if I find it.
> >>
> >> /--
> >> Best regards,
> >> Mark /mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> >>
> >> /Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> >> /www.MyakkaTech.com   <
> http://www.myakkatech.com/>
>
> >>
> >> /Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
> >> /http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
> >> 
> >>
> >> /Please Donate at Please Donate
> >> at/http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
> >> /--
> >>
> >> Thursday, May 25, 2017, 12:50:45 PM, you wrote:/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am getting more and more calls every week from clients
> >> saying that their "streaming isn't working." Upon
> >> investigating each one of these cases the customer always has
> >> purchased a "jailbroken" firestick loaded with KODI and they
> >> are expecting to watch all kinds of movies for free. From
> >> what I can tell this is very un-reliable compared to just
> >> paying for Netflix. Sometimes the streams work and sometimes
> >> they don't. I basically have been telling customers that what
> >> their doing is no different than the old satellite days where
> >> people put the hacked cards into their set top boxes and get
> >> all the satellite channels for free. But those cards were
> >> always getting "zapped" and you 

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[Josh Reynolds]

Good luck. Even this list (which is supposed to be technical) is acting
like a 70 year old man hearing that devil's rock and roll for the first
time.

- Josh

On May 26, 2017 7:40 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Let's be sure to delineate Kodi from the illegal content plugins.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, May 26, 2017 7:38:31 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
>
> FYI, kodi has been hit, the subtitles were hijacked to inject malicious
> voodoo.
> I use kodi, with exodus for programs I like
> its illegal
> amazon banned them, they will literally destroy your inventory
> facebook banned them
> google is looking at how to ban them
> I just got a raspberry pi 3 to make a dedicated kodi box, I bought a half
> price chineese, one, its a knockoff, probably already infected with
> something I cant remove, but does it matter when I'm putting an app to do
> illegal stuff with on it?
>
> If somebody says firestick, assume theyre running kodi, and several
> preloaded addons
>
> kodi is a great avenue for distributed computing (bitcoin mining), botnet,
> general IOT fuckery.
>
> kodi is and always should be a zero support ISP issue, enforce your AUP
> TOS immediately, they either don't know what theyre doing... or they do,
> and I'm not sure which person is more of a threat to your netblock
> reputation. The EU will ultimately block your netblock, theyre not messing
> around with kodi, and they have some sort of magic to be able to
> specifically identify kodi traffic, my guess is they have an algorithm to
> identify aggregator traffic
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
>
>> A lot of the free content comes from pawned servers and computers that
>> are on high speed links …. the paid services are typically dedicated
>> servers rented with flat rate bandwidth … at least with that I’ve figured
>> out ...
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 2:53 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
>>
>> Who is paying for all this bandwidth that the *servers* are providing for
>> "ill-legitimate" content?
>>
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies <
>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> Here is the link I was talking about
>>
>> http://blog.skystreamx.com/fix-kodi-buffering/
>>
>>
>>
>> *-- Best regards,Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>> 
>>
>>
>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com
>> 
>>
>>
>> *Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life*
>> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
>> 
>>
>> *Please Donate at Please Donate at *http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
>>
>>
>> *--Thursday, May 25, 2017, 10:52:39 PM, you wrote:*
>>
>> Kurt,
>>
>> I read somewhere that kodi needs about 10-15meg connection to work
>> correctly.  Not sure if that was for live tv or everything.  Think I have
>> the article bookmarked at the office.  I'll check in the morning and post
>> it if I find it.
>>
>>
>>
>> *-- Best regards,Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>> 
>>
>>
>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com
>> 
>>
>>
>> *Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life*
>> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
>> 
>>
>> *Please Donate at Please Donate at *http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
>>
>>
>> *--Thursday, May 25, 2017, 12:50:45 PM, you wrote:*
>>
>> I am getting more and more calls every week from clients saying that
>> their "streaming isn't working." Upon investigating each one of these cases
>> the customer always has purchased a "jailbroken" firestick loaded with KODI
>> and they are expecting to watch all kinds of movies for free. From what I
>> can tell this is very un-reliable compared to just paying for Netflix.
>> Sometimes the streams work and sometimes they don't. I basically have been
>> telling customers that what their doing is no different than the old
>> satellite days where people put the hacked cards into their set top boxes
>> and get all the satellite 

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[Jay Weekley]

Yeah.  He calls in reporting his internet is down because we turned him 
off until we could get in touch with him.  I explained that we had 
received at least 200 copyright violation notices and his first question 
was is he going to get a credit on his bill.  I kind of lost cool and 
said, "no, you're going to stop doing that" and the copyright holders 
would come after us if he kept downloading illegal content.  Then he 
asked me if he could use a "vpn hider" and I told him that we would not 
help him break the law.  I told him that once he had disabled or removed 
the program he is using we would turn his service back on.  He said that 
he didn't "see himself stopping" and would give it some thought.


Brother,  wants credit for being turned off for illegal activity, wants 
help performing illegal activity and refuses to stop illegal activity.


CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


Hahyou do it !

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] kodi?
Date: Fri, May 26, 2017 7:34 PM

Come on.  Share!

CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
> we made contact with the guy.  i don't really want to share what he > said.  
lets just say he thinks he is above the law and basically > doesn't have service with 
us anymore
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Paul Stewart 
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 4:22 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
>
> A lot of the free content comes from pawned servers and computers
> that are on high speed links …. the paid services are typically
> dedicated servers rented with flat rate bandwidth … at least with
> that I’ve figured out ...
>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]*On Behalf Of*Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:*Friday, May 26, 2017 2:53 PM
>> *To:*af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
>> Who is paying for all this bandwidth that the *servers* are
>> providing for "ill-legitimate" content?
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> Here is the link I was talking about
>>
>>http://blog.skystreamx.com/fix-kodi-buffering/
>>
>> /--
>> Best regards,
>> Mark /mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>
>> /Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> /www.MyakkaTech.com   

>>
>> /Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
>> /http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
>> 
>>
>> /Please Donate at Please Donate
>> at/http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
>> /--
>>
>> Thursday, May 25, 2017, 10:52:39 PM, you wrote:/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kurt,
>>
>> I read somewhere that kodi needs about 10-15meg connection to
>> work correctly.  Not sure if that was for live tv or
>> everything.  Think I have the article bookmarked at the
>> office. I'll check in the morning and post it if I find it.
>>
>> /--
>> Best regards,
>> Mark /mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>
>> /Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> /www.MyakkaTech.com   

>>
>> /Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
>> /http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
>> 
>>
>> /Please Donate at Please Donate
>> at/http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
>> /--
>>
>> Thursday, May 25, 2017, 12:50:45 PM, you wrote:/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I am getting more and more calls every week from clients
>> saying that their "streaming isn't working." Upon
>> investigating each one of these cases the customer always has
>> purchased a "jailbroken" firestick loaded with KODI and they
>> are expecting to watch all kinds of movies for free. From
>> what I can tell this is very un-reliable compared to just
>> paying for Netflix. Sometimes the streams work and sometimes
>> they don't. I basically have been telling customers that what
>> their doing is no different than the old satellite days where
>> people put the hacked cards into their set top boxes and get
>> all the satellite channels for free. But those cards were
>> always getting "zapped" and you were constantly having to get
>> new cards and re-program cards so your spending so much time
>> dealing with the "un-reliable' TV watching experience that it
>> would have just been cheaper to pay for the service legally
>> in the first place. My solution for these customers has been
>> to just tell them to pay $10 

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Hahyou do it ! 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] kodi?
Date: Fri, May 26, 2017 7:34 PM

Come on.  Share!

CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
> we made contact with the guy.  i don't really want to share what he > said.  
> lets just say he thinks he is above the law and basically > doesn't have 
> service with us anymore
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Paul Stewart 
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 4:22 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
>
> A lot of the free content comes from pawned servers and computers
> that are on high speed links …. the paid services are typically
> dedicated servers rented with flat rate bandwidth … at least with
> that I’ve figured out ...
>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]*On Behalf Of*Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:*Friday, May 26, 2017 2:53 PM
>> *To:*af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
>> Who is paying for all this bandwidth that the *servers* are
>> providing for "ill-legitimate" content?
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> Here is the link I was talking about
>>
>> http://blog.skystreamx.com/fix-kodi-buffering/
>>
>> /--
>> Best regards,
>> Mark /mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>
>> /Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> /www.MyakkaTech.com 
>>
>> /Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
>> /http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
>> 
>>
>> /Please Donate at Please Donate
>> at/http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
>> /--
>>
>> Thursday, May 25, 2017, 10:52:39 PM, you wrote:/
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>> Kurt,
>>
>> I read somewhere that kodi needs about 10-15meg connection to
>> work correctly.  Not sure if that was for live tv or
>> everything.  Think I have the article bookmarked at the
>> office. I'll check in the morning and post it if I find it.
>>
>> /--
>> Best regards,
>> Mark /mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>
>> /Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> /www.MyakkaTech.com 
>>
>> /Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
>> /http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
>> 
>>
>> /Please Donate at Please Donate
>> at/http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
>> /--
>>
>> Thursday, May 25, 2017, 12:50:45 PM, you wrote:/
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>> I am getting more and more calls every week from clients
>> saying that their "streaming isn't working." Upon
>> investigating each one of these cases the customer always has
>> purchased a "jailbroken" firestick loaded with KODI and they
>> are expecting to watch all kinds of movies for free. From
>> what I can tell this is very un-reliable compared to just
>> paying for Netflix. Sometimes the streams work and sometimes
>> they don't. I basically have been telling customers that what
>> their doing is no different than the old satellite days where
>> people put the hacked cards into their set top boxes and get
>> all the satellite channels for free. But those cards were
>> always getting "zapped" and you were constantly having to get
>> new cards and re-program cards so your spending so much time
>> dealing with the "un-reliable' TV watching experience that it
>> would have just been cheaper to pay for the service legally
>> in the first place. My solution for these customers has been
>> to just tell them to pay $10 for Netflix and be done with it.
>>
>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:02 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net >
>> wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>> haven't been able to reach him yet.
>>
>>
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:*Jeremy 
>> *To:*af@afmug.com 
>> *Sent:*Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:26 AM
>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
>>
>> Why don't you ask him?
>>
>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 8:21 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
>> > > wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>> out of the 250 or so "warnings" received through this
>> morning, about 80% appear to be tv shows and random episodes
>> of such tv shows.  that is why i was thinking kodi.  perhaps
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[Mike Hammett]

Let's be sure to delineate Kodi from the illegal content plugins. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 7:38:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi? 



FYI, kodi has been hit, the subtitles were hijacked to inject malicious voodoo. 
I use kodi, with exodus for programs I like 
its illegal 
amazon banned them, they will literally destroy your inventory 
facebook banned them 
google is looking at how to ban them 
I just got a raspberry pi 3 to make a dedicated kodi box, I bought a half price 
chineese, one, its a knockoff, probably already infected with something I cant 
remove, but does it matter when I'm putting an app to do illegal stuff with on 
it? 


If somebody says firestick, assume theyre running kodi, and several preloaded 
addons 


kodi is a great avenue for distributed computing (bitcoin mining), botnet, 
general IOT fuckery. 


kodi is and always should be a zero support ISP issue, enforce your AUP TOS 
immediately, they either don't know what theyre doing... or they do, and I'm 
not sure which person is more of a threat to your netblock reputation. The EU 
will ultimately block your netblock, theyre not messing around with kodi, and 
they have some sort of magic to be able to specifically identify kodi traffic, 
my guess is they have an algorithm to identify aggregator traffic 


On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Paul Stewart < p...@paulstewart.org > wrote: 




A lot of the free content comes from pawned servers and computers that are on 
high speed links …. the paid services are typically dedicated servers rented 
with flat rate bandwidth … at least with that I’ve figured out ... 






From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 2:53 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi? 


Who is paying for all this bandwidth that the *servers* are providing for 
"ill-legitimate" content? 



On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies < m...@mailmt.com > 
wrote: 





Mark, 

Here is the link I was talking about 

http://blog.skystreamx.com/fix-kodi-buffering/ 

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Thursday, May 25, 2017, 10:52:39 PM, you wrote: 
Kurt, 

I read somewhere that kodi needs about 10-15meg connection to work correctly. 
Not sure if that was for live tv or everything. Think I have the article 
bookmarked at the office. I'll check in the morning and post it if I find it. 

-- 
Best regards, 
Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com 

Myakka Technologies, Inc. 
www.MyakkaTech.com 

Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life 
http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL 

Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html 
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Thursday, May 25, 2017, 12:50:45 PM, you wrote: 
I am getting more and more calls every week from clients saying that their 
"streaming isn't working." Upon investigating each one of these cases the 
customer always has purchased a "jailbroken" firestick loaded with KODI and 
they are expecting to watch all kinds of movies for free. From what I can tell 
this is very un-reliable compared to just paying for Netflix. Sometimes the 
streams work and sometimes they don't. I basically have been telling customers 
that what their doing is no different than the old satellite days where people 
put the hacked cards into their set top boxes and get all the satellite 
channels for free. But those cards were always getting "zapped" and you were 
constantly having to get new cards and re-program cards so your spending so 
much time dealing with the "un-reliable' TV watching experience that it would 
have just been cheaper to pay for the service legally in the first place. My 
solution for these customers has been to just tell them to pay $10 for Netflix 
and be done with it. 


On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:02 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller < 
par...@cyberbroadband.net > wrote: 




haven't been able to reach him yet. 
- Original Message - 
From: Jeremy 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:26 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi? 

Why don't you ask him? 

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 8:21 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
wrote:  


out of the 250 or so "warnings" received through this morning, about 80% appear 
to be tv shows and random episodes of such tv shows. that is why i was thinking 
kodi. perhaps he browsed around just to see what would work and what wouldn't. 
i've never played with kodi but if this guy has this volume of entertainment on 
his hard drive i would be surprised and would say he has no life. plus he has 
been a 

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[Steve Jones]

I would recommend any further communications with this dope be via recorded
line or email, just in case you get a homeland visit

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 7:29 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> we made contact with the guy.  i don't really want to share what he said.
> lets just say he thinks he is above the law and basically doesn't have
> service with us anymore
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Paul Stewart 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 4:22 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
>
> A lot of the free content comes from pawned servers and computers that are
> on high speed links …. the paid services are typically dedicated servers
> rented with flat rate bandwidth … at least with that I’ve figured out ...
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 2:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
> Who is paying for all this bandwidth that the *servers* are providing for
> "ill-legitimate" content?
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Here is the link I was talking about
>
> http://blog.skystreamx.com/fix-kodi-buffering/
>
>
>
> *-- Best regards,Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> 
>
>
> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com 
>
>
> *Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life*
> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
> 
>
> *Please Donate at Please Donate at *http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
>
>
> *--Thursday, May 25, 2017, 10:52:39 PM, you wrote:*
>
> Kurt,
>
> I read somewhere that kodi needs about 10-15meg connection to work
> correctly.  Not sure if that was for live tv or everything.  Think I have
> the article bookmarked at the office.  I'll check in the morning and post
> it if I find it.
>
>
>
> *-- Best regards,Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> 
>
>
> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com 
>
>
> *Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life*
> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
> 
>
> *Please Donate at Please Donate at *http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
>
>
> *--Thursday, May 25, 2017, 12:50:45 PM, you wrote:*
>
> I am getting more and more calls every week from clients saying that their
> "streaming isn't working." Upon investigating each one of these cases the
> customer always has purchased a "jailbroken" firestick loaded with KODI and
> they are expecting to watch all kinds of movies for free. From what I can
> tell this is very un-reliable compared to just paying for Netflix.
> Sometimes the streams work and sometimes they don't. I basically have been
> telling customers that what their doing is no different than the old
> satellite days where people put the hacked cards into their set top boxes
> and get all the satellite channels for free. But those cards were always
> getting "zapped" and you were constantly having to get new cards and
> re-program cards so your spending so much time dealing with the
> "un-reliable' TV watching experience that it would have just been cheaper
> to pay for the service legally in the first place. My solution for these
> customers has been to just tell them to pay $10 for Netflix and be done
> with it.
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:02 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> haven't been able to reach him yet.
> - Original Message -
> *From: *Jeremy 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:26 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
>
> Why don't you ask him?
>
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 8:21 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> out of the 250 or so "warnings" received through this morning, about 80%
> appear to be tv shows and random episodes of such tv shows.  that is why i
> was thinking kodi.  perhaps he browsed around just to see what would work
> and what wouldn't.  i've never played with kodi but if this guy has this
> volume of entertainment on his hard drive i would be surprised and would
> say he has no life.  plus he has been a customer for a while - he isn't
> anyone new :)
>
> - Original Message -
> *From: *Tim Reichhart 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:18 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
>
> with kodi you can download/add on for like utorrent to download movies or
> you can also download exodus.
> --
> -Original Message-
> From: "Joe Novak" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Date: 05/25/17 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
>
> To be honest, unless he is using some odd P2P addon for Kodi it's
> unlikely. Most of the addons comb the net 

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[Steve Jones]

FYI, kodi has been hit, the subtitles were hijacked to inject malicious
voodoo.
I use kodi, with exodus for programs I like
its illegal
amazon banned them, they will literally destroy your inventory
facebook banned them
google is looking at how to ban them
I just got a raspberry pi 3 to make a dedicated kodi box, I bought a half
price chineese, one, its a knockoff, probably already infected with
something I cant remove, but does it matter when I'm putting an app to do
illegal stuff with on it?

If somebody says firestick, assume theyre running kodi, and several
preloaded addons

kodi is a great avenue for distributed computing (bitcoin mining), botnet,
general IOT fuckery.

kodi is and always should be a zero support ISP issue, enforce your AUP TOS
immediately, they either don't know what theyre doing... or they do, and
I'm not sure which person is more of a threat to your netblock reputation.
The EU will ultimately block your netblock, theyre not messing around with
kodi, and they have some sort of magic to be able to specifically identify
kodi traffic, my guess is they have an algorithm to identify aggregator
traffic

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> A lot of the free content comes from pawned servers and computers that are
> on high speed links …. the paid services are typically dedicated servers
> rented with flat rate bandwidth … at least with that I’ve figured out ...
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 2:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
>
> Who is paying for all this bandwidth that the *servers* are providing for
> "ill-legitimate" content?
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Here is the link I was talking about
>
> http://blog.skystreamx.com/fix-kodi-buffering/
>
>
>
> *-- Best regards,Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> 
>
>
> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com 
>
>
> *Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life*
> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
> 
>
> *Please Donate at Please Donate at *http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
>
>
> *--Thursday, May 25, 2017, 10:52:39 PM, you wrote:*
>
> Kurt,
>
> I read somewhere that kodi needs about 10-15meg connection to work
> correctly.  Not sure if that was for live tv or everything.  Think I have
> the article bookmarked at the office.  I'll check in the morning and post
> it if I find it.
>
>
>
> *-- Best regards,Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> 
>
>
> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com 
>
>
> *Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life*
> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
> 
>
> *Please Donate at Please Donate at *http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
>
>
> *--Thursday, May 25, 2017, 12:50:45 PM, you wrote:*
>
> I am getting more and more calls every week from clients saying that their
> "streaming isn't working." Upon investigating each one of these cases the
> customer always has purchased a "jailbroken" firestick loaded with KODI and
> they are expecting to watch all kinds of movies for free. From what I can
> tell this is very un-reliable compared to just paying for Netflix.
> Sometimes the streams work and sometimes they don't. I basically have been
> telling customers that what their doing is no different than the old
> satellite days where people put the hacked cards into their set top boxes
> and get all the satellite channels for free. But those cards were always
> getting "zapped" and you were constantly having to get new cards and
> re-program cards so your spending so much time dealing with the
> "un-reliable' TV watching experience that it would have just been cheaper
> to pay for the service legally in the first place. My solution for these
> customers has been to just tell them to pay $10 for Netflix and be done
> with it.
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:02 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> haven't been able to reach him yet.
> - Original Message -
> *From: *Jeremy 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:26 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
>
> Why don't you ask him?
>
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 8:21 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> out of the 250 or so "warnings" received through this morning, about 80%
> appear to be tv shows and random episodes of such tv shows.  that is why i
> was thinking kodi.  perhaps he browsed around just to see what would work
> and what wouldn't.  i've never played with kodi but if this guy has this
> volume of entertainment on his hard drive i would be surprised and would
> say he has no life.  plus 

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[Jay Weekley]

Come on.  Share!

CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
we made contact with the guy.  i don't really want to share what he 
said.  lets just say he thinks he is above the law and basically 
doesn't have service with us anymore


- Original Message -
*From:* Paul Stewart 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 4:22 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

A lot of the free content comes from pawned servers and computers
that are on high speed links …. the paid services are typically
dedicated servers rented with flat rate bandwidth … at least with
that I’ve figured out ...


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]*On Behalf Of*Kurt Fankhauser
*Sent:*Friday, May 26, 2017 2:53 PM
*To:*af@afmug.com 
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
Who is paying for all this bandwidth that the *servers* are
providing for "ill-legitimate" content?
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies
> wrote:

Mark,

Here is the link I was talking about

http://blog.skystreamx.com/fix-kodi-buffering/

/--
Best regards,
Mark /mailto:m...@mailmt.com

/Myakka Technologies, Inc.
/www.MyakkaTech.com 

/Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
/http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL


/Please Donate at Please Donate
at/http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
/--

Thursday, May 25, 2017, 10:52:39 PM, you wrote:/




Kurt,

I read somewhere that kodi needs about 10-15meg connection to
work correctly.  Not sure if that was for live tv or
everything.  Think I have the article bookmarked at the
office. I'll check in the morning and post it if I find it.

/--
Best regards,
Mark /mailto:m...@mailmt.com

/Myakka Technologies, Inc.
/www.MyakkaTech.com 

/Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
/http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL


/Please Donate at Please Donate
at/http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
/--

Thursday, May 25, 2017, 12:50:45 PM, you wrote:/




I am getting more and more calls every week from clients
saying that their "streaming isn't working." Upon
investigating each one of these cases the customer always has
purchased a "jailbroken" firestick loaded with KODI and they
are expecting to watch all kinds of movies for free. From
what I can tell this is very un-reliable compared to just
paying for Netflix. Sometimes the streams work and sometimes
they don't. I basically have been telling customers that what
their doing is no different than the old satellite days where
people put the hacked cards into their set top boxes and get
all the satellite channels for free. But those cards were
always getting "zapped" and you were constantly having to get
new cards and re-program cards so your spending so much time
dealing with the "un-reliable' TV watching experience that it
would have just been cheaper to pay for the service legally
in the first place. My solution for these customers has been
to just tell them to pay $10 for Netflix and be done with it.

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:02 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
par...@cyberbroadband.net >
wrote:





haven't been able to reach him yet.



- Original Message -
*From:*Jeremy 
*To:*af@afmug.com 
*Sent:*Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:26 AM
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

Why don't you ask him?

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 8:21 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
> wrote:





out of the 250 or so "warnings" received through this
morning, about 80% appear to be tv shows and random episodes
of such tv shows.  that is why i was thinking kodi.  perhaps
he browsed around just to see what would work and what
wouldn't.  i've never played with kodi but if this guy has
this volume of entertainment on his hard drive i would be
surprised and would say he has no life.  plus he has been a
customer for a while - he isn't anyone new :)




- Original Message -
*From:*Tim Reichhart 
*To:*af@afmug.com 

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

we made contact with the guy.  i don't really want to share what he said.  lets 
just say he thinks he is above the law and basically doesn't have service with 
us anymore


  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Stewart 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 4:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?


  A lot of the free content comes from pawned servers and computers that are on 
high speed links …. the paid services are typically dedicated servers rented 
with flat rate bandwidth … at least with that I’ve figured out ...



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

Who is paying for all this bandwidth that the *servers* are providing for 
"ill-legitimate" content?

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
 wrote:
  Mark,

  Here is the link I was talking about

  http://blog.skystreamx.com/fix-kodi-buffering/

  -- 
  Best regards,
  Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

  Myakka Technologies, Inc.
  www.MyakkaTech.com

  Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
  http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL

  Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
  --

  Thursday, May 25, 2017, 10:52:39 PM, you wrote:

   Kurt,

I read somewhere that kodi needs about 10-15meg connection to work 
correctly.  Not sure if that was for live tv or everything.  Think I have the 
article bookmarked at the office.  I'll check in the morning and post it if I 
find it.

-- 
Best regards,
Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL

Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
--

Thursday, May 25, 2017, 12:50:45 PM, you wrote:

 I am getting more and more calls every week from clients 
saying that their "streaming isn't working." Upon investigating each one of 
these cases the customer always has purchased a "jailbroken" firestick loaded 
with KODI and they are expecting to watch all kinds of movies for free. From 
what I can tell this is very un-reliable compared to just paying for Netflix. 
Sometimes the streams work and sometimes they don't. I basically have been 
telling customers that what their doing is no different than the old satellite 
days where people put the hacked cards into their set top boxes and get all the 
satellite channels for free. But those cards were always getting "zapped" and 
you were constantly having to get new cards and re-program cards so your 
spending so much time dealing with the "un-reliable' TV watching experience 
that it would have just been cheaper to pay for the service legally in the 
first place. My solution for these customers has been to just tell them to pay 
$10 for Netflix and be done with it.

  On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:02 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
  par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
   

haven't been able to reach him yet.

 - Original Message - 
  From: Jeremy
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:26 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

  Why don't you ask him?

  On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 8:21 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:
 

out of the 250 or so "warnings" received 
through this morning, about 80% appear to be tv shows and random episodes of 
such tv shows.  that is why i was thinking kodi.  perhaps he browsed around 
just to see what would work and what wouldn't.  i've never played with kodi but 
if this guy has this volume of entertainment on his hard drive i would be 
surprised and would say he has no life.  plus he has been a customer for a 
while - he isn't anyone new :)



 - Original Message - 
From: Tim Reichhart
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

with kodi you can download/add on for like 
utorrent to download movies or you can also download exodus.

 


-Original Message-
From: "Joe Novak" 

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[SmarterBroadband]

Well I suppose I could, but hell I don’t want to.. 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 2:22 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

 

I think they have that stuff in airlink, but you can always just look up the 
spec sheets for all the relevant parts and calculate it manually.

 

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:18 PM, SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

I can use Link Planner to check LOS.  But the 820 in Link Planner will have 
very different radio Tx powers and receive sensitivities.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:07 PM
To: af  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

 

I think airlink,ubnt.com   supports 11ghz now, so that can be 
used to get a fairly good idea of what it's going to do... also, Mimosa's tool 
is pretty nice.

But when you know you have a clear path and what the distance is, it's not very 
hard to calculate what the link is going to do... frequency planning is done by 
your coordinator.

 

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:59 PM, SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

Using?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 12:55 PM
To: af  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

 

DIY

 

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:45 PM, SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

How are you Link Planning your AF11 links?

 

Does UBNT do link Planning?

 

Reseller?

 

DIY?

 

Other??

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:43 PM
To: af  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

 

We have one up... other than some very ugly issues right after we put it up 
(which was apparently a bug in the firmware they shipped with... upgrading to 
the latest beta firmware fixed it), it has been working perfectly, and I 
haven't touched it since. 

The AF11 is certainly worth a look in my opinion, but it all depends on what 
you need it to do.

 

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Jon Langeler  > wrote:

Ignoring a few software bugs and delayed fixes, it's good for '2nd string' 
links. If this is for high priority link, I'd try SIAE or Cambium. 

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.

 


On May 25, 2017, at 2:46 PM, SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

We are looking to add some more Licensed Links to our network.

 

Does anyone actually have the AF11 in service.  Is it worth a look?  How is it 
performing for you?  Any issues?

 

Just not sure if it is worth considering or should I be looking at existing 
companied like;

 

Exalt ?

Dragonwave ?

SAIE ?

 

Or newer ones like

 

Alcoma

Cablefree FOR3

 

Anyone tried the last two?

 

Just looking for best bang for the buck in non core ring usage.

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Does this centurylink box need AC power in ROW?

[Josh Reynolds]

Active cooling means fans which means power :P

- Josh

On May 26, 2017 7:05 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> Seems like that could be overcome with some active cooling. It sure would
> be handy if something like this existed.
>
> On Friday, May 26, 2017, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> No. Optics and those chassis use quite a bit of power and generate quite
>> a bit of heat. An E7-2 has massive fans that rival that of Dell 1U
>> dense/long servers.
>>
>> - Josh
>>
>> On May 26, 2017 5:48 PM, "Jason McKemie" > com> wrote:
>>
>>> Does Calix have an all-outdoor GPON unit like this?
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 26, 2017, Robert Haas  wrote:
>>>
 A little late – but that appears to be a calix e3-48.

 These can be line powered from remote and do not require AC power on
 site. We have about ~60 of the e3-12c and 4 of the e3-48’s deployed. All
 line powered from the office using 3-6 pair and 360vdc. (+180, -180)



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
 *Sent:* Thursday, May 25, 2017 12:26 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Does this centurylink box need AC power in ROW?



 [image: Inline image 1]



 Centurylink just installed a couple of these in an area I am providing
 service in. There is no Electrical power from the power company in the area
 feeding these boxes. Just wondering if they are coming back to hook that up
 later or are these things pulling power from copper phone lines already in
 the area? The pulled some fiber into these boxes as well/

>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Does this centurylink box need AC power in ROW?

[Jason McKemie]

Seems like that could be overcome with some active cooling. It sure would
be handy if something like this existed.

On Friday, May 26, 2017, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> No. Optics and those chassis use quite a bit of power and generate quite a
> bit of heat. An E7-2 has massive fans that rival that of Dell 1U dense/long
> servers.
>
> - Josh
>
> On May 26, 2017 5:48 PM, "Jason McKemie"  > wrote:
>
>> Does Calix have an all-outdoor GPON unit like this?
>>
>> On Friday, May 26, 2017, Robert Haas > > wrote:
>>
>>> A little late – but that appears to be a calix e3-48.
>>>
>>> These can be line powered from remote and do not require AC power on
>>> site. We have about ~60 of the e3-12c and 4 of the e3-48’s deployed. All
>>> line powered from the office using 3-6 pair and 360vdc. (+180, -180)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 25, 2017 12:26 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Does this centurylink box need AC power in ROW?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Centurylink just installed a couple of these in an area I am providing
>>> service in. There is no Electrical power from the power company in the area
>>> feeding these boxes. Just wondering if they are coming back to hook that up
>>> later or are these things pulling power from copper phone lines already in
>>> the area? The pulled some fiber into these boxes as well/
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Does this centurylink box need AC power in ROW?

[Josh Reynolds]

No. Optics and those chassis use quite a bit of power and generate quite a
bit of heat. An E7-2 has massive fans that rival that of Dell 1U dense/long
servers.

- Josh

On May 26, 2017 5:48 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> Does Calix have an all-outdoor GPON unit like this?
>
> On Friday, May 26, 2017, Robert Haas  wrote:
>
>> A little late – but that appears to be a calix e3-48.
>>
>> These can be line powered from remote and do not require AC power on
>> site. We have about ~60 of the e3-12c and 4 of the e3-48’s deployed. All
>> line powered from the office using 3-6 pair and 360vdc. (+180, -180)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 25, 2017 12:26 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Does this centurylink box need AC power in ROW?
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>>
>>
>> Centurylink just installed a couple of these in an area I am providing
>> service in. There is no Electrical power from the power company in the area
>> feeding these boxes. Just wondering if they are coming back to hook that up
>> later or are these things pulling power from copper phone lines already in
>> the area? The pulled some fiber into these boxes as well/
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Does this centurylink box need AC power in ROW?

[Jason McKemie]

Does Calix have an all-outdoor GPON unit like this?

On Friday, May 26, 2017, Robert Haas  wrote:

> A little late – but that appears to be a calix e3-48.
>
> These can be line powered from remote and do not require AC power on site.
> We have about ~60 of the e3-12c and 4 of the e3-48’s deployed. All line
> powered from the office using 3-6 pair and 360vdc. (+180, -180)
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Kurt
> Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 25, 2017 12:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Does this centurylink box need AC power in ROW?
>
>
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
>
> Centurylink just installed a couple of these in an area I am providing
> service in. There is no Electrical power from the power company in the area
> feeding these boxes. Just wondering if they are coming back to hook that up
> later or are these things pulling power from copper phone lines already in
> the area? The pulled some fiber into these boxes as well/
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[Lewis Bergman]

Of I remember long ago we users a 100 inch range for the initial site in on
our A2.
I think most of the ranges around here are 75 feet or so.

On Fri, May 26, 2017, 4:52 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Need some tannerite.
>
> How much room do you need for an indoor shooting range?  It is about 50
> feet
> long.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brett A Mansfield
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 3:46 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>
> I don't know about everywhere else, but RPG in Utah is Role Playing Game.
> At
> least we won't be bored.
>
> I'll bring 100k rounds of ammo and my arsenal of guns to go with it. 3 9mm,
> 2 .380s, 2 12 gauge shotguns, 2 AR 15s, a 30-06, and 5 22 long rifles
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> > On May 26, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Jay Weekley 
> > wrote:
> >
> > I'll bring the RPGs.
> >
> > Jeremy wrote:
> >> LMAO!
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Chris Wright  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>Apocalypse party at Chuck's house! I'll be coming from California
> >>so I'll bring my lack of foresight and a vast sense of entitlement.
> >>
> >>Chris Wright
> >>Network Administrator
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> >>] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> >>Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:23 PM
> >>To: af@afmug.com 
> >>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
> >>
> >>That was my first thought...  Prepper garage...
> >>
> >>On 05/26/2017 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
> >>wrote:
> >>> Well, it is Utah...
> >>>
> >>> *From:* Cameron Crum
> >>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
> >>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
> >>>
> >>> That looks more like  a bunker.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM,  >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars
> >>underneath.  It
> >>> gets a 3" cap of concrete poured over it.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
> >>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
> >>> To: af@afmug.com 
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm totally doing that on my next house.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> >>] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> >>
> >>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
> >>> To: af@afmug.com 
> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage
> >>>
> >>> Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not
> >>understand
> >>> why they did not start at one end and place them all in a
> >>sequence.
> >>> When they came to install this last slab, the hole was too
> >>large and
> >>> they had to scootch everything around.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> <
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Re: [AFMUG] August 21,2017 eclipse.

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

So if you have a DSLR you're planning on taking pictures with, consider
joining the project I linked to.

What they're hoping for is to get around 1000 (or more) people to upload
their picture set to be able to make a very high resolution movie of the
solar eclipse across the entire north america segment.   In addition, the
pictures will become part of a publicly available set for future solar
research.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 7:53 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> I'm gonna try to fly into Driggs, ID or Casper, WY depending on the
> weather that day.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:49 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> For those of you who are planning to make the trek to (or are lucky
>> enough to be in the path) of the totality portion of the August eclipse,
>> there is a citizen science project which I'm participating in which needs a
>> few more volunteers:
>>
>> https://eclipsemega.movie
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[George Skorup]

I enjoy shooting my AR-10 more than anything.

On 5/26/2017 4:46 PM, Brett A Mansfield wrote:

I don't know about everywhere else, but RPG in Utah is Role Playing Game. At 
least we won't be bored.

I'll bring 100k rounds of ammo and my arsenal of guns to go with it. 3 9mm, 2 
.380s, 2 12 gauge shotguns, 2 AR 15s, a 30-06, and 5 22 long rifles

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield


On May 26, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Jay Weekley  wrote:

I'll bring the RPGs.

Jeremy wrote:

LMAO!

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Chris Wright > wrote:

Apocalypse party at Chuck's house! I'll be coming from California
so I'll bring my lack of foresight and a vast sense of entitlement.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

That was my first thought...  Prepper garage...

On 05/26/2017 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:
> Well, it is Utah...
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>
> That looks more like  a bunker.
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM, > wrote:
>
> Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars
underneath.  It
> gets a 3" cap of concrete poured over it.
>
> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>
>
> I'm totally doing that on my next house.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com

> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>
> Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not
understand
> why they did not start at one end and place them all in a
sequence.
> When they came to install this last slab, the hole was too
large and
> they had to scootch everything around.
>
>




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Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[Chuck McCown]

O'Doul's would be welcome too.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 4:12 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

I will bring cases of Tecate, Modelo, Carta Blanca and tamales...

On May 26, 2017 3:19 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

  And the PBRs.

  Jay Weekley wrote:

I'll bring the RPGs.

Jeremy wrote:

  LMAO!

  On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Chris Wright > wrote:

  Apocalypse party at Chuck's house! I'll be coming from California
  so I'll bring my lack of foresight and a vast sense of entitlement.

  Chris Wright
  Network Administrator

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
  ] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
  Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:23 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

  That was my first thought...  Prepper garage...

  On 05/26/2017 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
  wrote:
  > Well, it is Utah...
  >
  > *From:* Cameron Crum
  > *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
  > *To:* af@afmug.com 
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
  >
  > That looks more like  a bunker.
  >
  > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM, > wrote:
  >
  > Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars
  underneath.  It
  > gets a 3" cap of concrete poured over it.
  >
  > -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
  > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
  > To: af@afmug.com 
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
  >
  >
  > I'm totally doing that on my next house.
  >
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
  ] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  
  > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
  > To: af@afmug.com 
  > Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage
  >
  > Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not
  understand
  > why they did not start at one end and place them all in a
  sequence.
  > When they came to install this last slab, the hole was too
  large and
  > they had to scootch everything around.
  >
  >



  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[Jaime Solorza]

I will bring cases of Tecate, Modelo, Carta Blanca and tamales...

On May 26, 2017 3:19 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> And the PBRs.
>
> Jay Weekley wrote:
>
>> I'll bring the RPGs.
>>
>> Jeremy wrote:
>>
>>> LMAO!
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Chris Wright >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Apocalypse party at Chuck's house! I'll be coming from California
>>> so I'll bring my lack of foresight and a vast sense of entitlement.
>>>
>>> Chris Wright
>>> Network Administrator
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>>> ] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:23 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>>>
>>> That was my first thought...  Prepper garage...
>>>
>>> On 05/26/2017 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Well, it is Utah...
>>> >
>>> > *From:* Cameron Crum
>>> > *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
>>> > *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>>> >
>>> > That looks more like  a bunker.
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM, >> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars
>>> underneath.  It
>>> > gets a 3" cap of concrete poured over it.
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
>>> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
>>> > To: af@afmug.com 
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I'm totally doing that on my next house.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>>> ] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> 
>>> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
>>> > To: af@afmug.com 
>>> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>>> >
>>> > Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not
>>> understand
>>> > why they did not start at one end and place them all in a
>>> sequence.
>>> > When they came to install this last slab, the hole was too
>>> large and
>>> > they had to scootch everything around.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[Robert]

Seals practice in a 10x10 room...


On 5/26/17 2:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Need some tannerite.

How much room do you need for an indoor shooting range?  It is about 
50 feet long.


-Original Message- From: Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 3:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

I don't know about everywhere else, but RPG in Utah is Role Playing 
Game. At least we won't be bored.


I'll bring 100k rounds of ammo and my arsenal of guns to go with it. 3 
9mm, 2 .380s, 2 12 gauge shotguns, 2 AR 15s, a 30-06, and 5 22 long 
rifles


Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On May 26, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Jay Weekley  
wrote:


I'll bring the RPGs.

Jeremy wrote:

LMAO!

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Chris Wright > wrote:


   Apocalypse party at Chuck's house! I'll be coming from California
   so I'll bring my lack of foresight and a vast sense of entitlement.

   Chris Wright
   Network Administrator

   -Original Message-
   From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
   ] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
   Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:23 PM
   To: af@afmug.com 
   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

   That was my first thought...  Prepper garage...

   On 05/26/2017 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
   wrote:
   > Well, it is Utah...
   >
   > *From:* Cameron Crum
   > *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
   > *To:* af@afmug.com 
   > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
   >
   > That looks more like  a bunker.
   >
   > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM, > wrote:
   >
   > Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars
   underneath.  It
   > gets a 3" cap of concrete poured over it.
   >
   > -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
   > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
   > To: af@afmug.com 
   > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
   >
   >
   > I'm totally doing that on my next house.
   >
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
   ] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
   
   > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
   > To: af@afmug.com 
   > Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage
   >
   > Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not
   understand
   > why they did not start at one end and place them all in a
   sequence.
   > When they came to install this last slab, the hole was too
   large and
   > they had to scootch everything around.
   >
   >



 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[Chuck McCown]

Need some tannerite.

How much room do you need for an indoor shooting range?  It is about 50 feet 
long.


-Original Message- 
From: Brett A Mansfield

Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 3:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

I don't know about everywhere else, but RPG in Utah is Role Playing Game. At 
least we won't be bored.


I'll bring 100k rounds of ammo and my arsenal of guns to go with it. 3 9mm, 
2 .380s, 2 12 gauge shotguns, 2 AR 15s, a 30-06, and 5 22 long rifles


Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On May 26, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Jay Weekley  
wrote:


I'll bring the RPGs.

Jeremy wrote:

LMAO!

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Chris Wright > wrote:


   Apocalypse party at Chuck's house! I'll be coming from California
   so I'll bring my lack of foresight and a vast sense of entitlement.

   Chris Wright
   Network Administrator

   -Original Message-
   From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
   ] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
   Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:23 PM
   To: af@afmug.com 
   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

   That was my first thought...  Prepper garage...

   On 05/26/2017 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
   wrote:
   > Well, it is Utah...
   >
   > *From:* Cameron Crum
   > *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
   > *To:* af@afmug.com 
   > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
   >
   > That looks more like  a bunker.
   >
   > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM, > wrote:
   >
   > Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars
   underneath.  It
   > gets a 3" cap of concrete poured over it.
   >
   > -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
   > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
   > To: af@afmug.com 
   > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
   >
   >
   > I'm totally doing that on my next house.
   >
   >
   > -Original Message-
   > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
   ] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
   
   > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
   > To: af@afmug.com 
   > Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage
   >
   > Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not
   understand
   > why they did not start at one end and place them all in a
   sequence.
   > When they came to install this last slab, the hole was too
   large and
   > they had to scootch everything around.
   >
   >



 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[Jay Weekley]

You can take out a few zombies with that lineup.

Brett A Mansfield wrote:

I don't know about everywhere else, but RPG in Utah is Role Playing Game. At 
least we won't be bored.

I'll bring 100k rounds of ammo and my arsenal of guns to go with it. 3 9mm, 2 
.380s, 2 12 gauge shotguns, 2 AR 15s, a 30-06, and 5 22 long rifles

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield


On May 26, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Jay Weekley  wrote:

I'll bring the RPGs.

Jeremy wrote:

LMAO!

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Chris Wright > wrote:

Apocalypse party at Chuck's house! I'll be coming from California
so I'll bring my lack of foresight and a vast sense of entitlement.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

That was my first thought...  Prepper garage...

On 05/26/2017 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:
> Well, it is Utah...
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>
> That looks more like  a bunker.
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM, > wrote:
>
> Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars
underneath.  It
> gets a 3" cap of concrete poured over it.
>
> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>
>
> I'm totally doing that on my next house.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com

> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>
> Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not
understand
> why they did not start at one end and place them all in a
sequence.
> When they came to install this last slab, the hole was too
large and
> they had to scootch everything around.
>
>




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Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[Brett A Mansfield]

I don't know about everywhere else, but RPG in Utah is Role Playing Game. At 
least we won't be bored.

I'll bring 100k rounds of ammo and my arsenal of guns to go with it. 3 9mm, 2 
.380s, 2 12 gauge shotguns, 2 AR 15s, a 30-06, and 5 22 long rifles

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On May 26, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Jay Weekley  wrote:
> 
> I'll bring the RPGs.
> 
> Jeremy wrote:
>> LMAO!
>> 
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Chris Wright > > wrote:
>> 
>>Apocalypse party at Chuck's house! I'll be coming from California
>>so I'll bring my lack of foresight and a vast sense of entitlement.
>> 
>>Chris Wright
>>Network Administrator
>> 
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>>] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>>Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:23 PM
>>To: af@afmug.com 
>>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>> 
>>That was my first thought...  Prepper garage...
>> 
>>On 05/26/2017 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
>>wrote:
>>> Well, it is Utah...
>>>
>>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>>>
>>> That looks more like  a bunker.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM, >> wrote:
>>>
>>> Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars
>>underneath.  It
>>> gets a 3" cap of concrete poured over it.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
>>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm totally doing that on my next house.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>>] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>>
>>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>>>
>>> Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not
>>understand
>>> why they did not start at one end and place them all in a
>>sequence.
>>> When they came to install this last slab, the hole was too
>>large and
>>> they had to scootch everything around.
>>>
>>>
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[Lewis Bergman]

I don't have an RPG but I do have an isreali tavor with both a thermal
scope and a red dot. Can I get in?

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:19 PM Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> And the PBRs.
>
> Jay Weekley wrote:
> > I'll bring the RPGs.
> >
> > Jeremy wrote:
> >> LMAO!
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Chris Wright  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Apocalypse party at Chuck's house! I'll be coming from California
> >> so I'll bring my lack of foresight and a vast sense of entitlement.
> >>
> >> Chris Wright
> >> Network Administrator
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> >> ] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> >> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:23 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com 
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
> >>
> >> That was my first thought...  Prepper garage...
> >>
> >> On 05/26/2017 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
> >> wrote:
> >> > Well, it is Utah...
> >> >
> >> > *From:* Cameron Crum
> >> > *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
> >> > *To:* af@afmug.com 
> >> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
> >> >
> >> > That looks more like  a bunker.
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM,  >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars
> >> underneath.  It
> >> > gets a 3" cap of concrete poured over it.
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
> >> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
> >> > To: af@afmug.com 
> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I'm totally doing that on my next house.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> >> ] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> >> 
> >> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
> >> > To: af@afmug.com 
> >> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage
> >> >
> >> > Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not
> >> understand
> >> > why they did not start at one end and place them all in a
> >> sequence.
> >> > When they came to install this last slab, the hole was too
> >> large and
> >> > they had to scootch everything around.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Does this centurylink box need AC power in ROW?

[Robert Haas]

A little late – but that appears to be a calix e3-48.

These can be line powered from remote and do not require AC power on site. We 
have about ~60 of the e3-12c and 4 of the e3-48’s deployed. All line powered 
from the office using 3-6 pair and 360vdc. (+180, -180)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 12:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Does this centurylink box need AC power in ROW?

 



 

Centurylink just installed a couple of these in an area I am providing service 
in. There is no Electrical power from the power company in the area feeding 
these boxes. Just wondering if they are coming back to hook that up later or 
are these things pulling power from copper phone lines already in the area? The 
pulled some fiber into these boxes as well/

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Mathew Howard]

I think they have that stuff in airlink, but you can always just look up
the spec sheets for all the relevant parts and calculate it manually.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:18 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> I can use Link Planner to check LOS.  But the 820 in Link Planner will
> have very different radio Tx powers and receive sensitivities.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:07 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>
>
>
> I think airlink,ubnt.com supports 11ghz now, so that can be used to get a
> fairly good idea of what it's going to do... also, Mimosa's tool is pretty
> nice.
>
> But when you know you have a clear path and what the distance is, it's not
> very hard to calculate what the link is going to do... frequency planning
> is done by your coordinator.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:59 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> Using?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:55 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>
>
>
> DIY
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:45 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> How are you Link Planning your AF11 links?
>
>
>
> Does UBNT do link Planning?
>
>
>
> Reseller?
>
>
>
> DIY?
>
>
>
> Other??
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:43 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>
>
>
> We have one up... other than some very ugly issues right after we put it
> up (which was apparently a bug in the firmware they shipped with...
> upgrading to the latest beta firmware fixed it), it has been working
> perfectly, and I haven't touched it since.
>
> The AF11 is certainly worth a look in my opinion, but it all depends on
> what you need it to do.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
> Ignoring a few software bugs and delayed fixes, it's good for '2nd string'
> links. If this is for high priority link, I'd try SIAE or Cambium.
>
> Jon Langeler
>
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
>
>
> On May 25, 2017, at 2:46 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> We are looking to add some more Licensed Links to our network.
>
>
>
> Does anyone actually have the AF11 in service.  Is it worth a look?  How
> is it performing for you?  Any issues?
>
>
>
> Just not sure if it is worth considering or should I be looking at
> existing companied like;
>
>
>
> Exalt ?
>
> Dragonwave ?
>
> SAIE ?
>
>
>
> Or newer ones like
>
>
>
> Alcoma
>
> Cablefree FOR3
>
>
>
> Anyone tried the last two?
>
>
>
> Just looking for best bang for the buck in non core ring usage.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[Paul Stewart]

A lot of the free content comes from pawned servers and computers that are on 
high speed links …. the paid services are typically dedicated servers rented 
with flat rate bandwidth … at least with that I’ve figured out ...

>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 2:53 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
>  
> Who is paying for all this bandwidth that the *servers* are providing for 
> "ill-legitimate" content?
>  
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  > wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> Here is the link I was talking about
> 
> http://blog.skystreamx.com/fix-kodi-buffering/ 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
> 
> 
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.MyakkaTech.com 
> 
> Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL 
> 
> 
> Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html 
> 
> --
> 
> Thursday, May 25, 2017, 10:52:39 PM, you wrote:
> 
> Kurt,
> 
> I read somewhere that kodi needs about 10-15meg connection to work correctly. 
>  Not sure if that was for live tv or everything.  Think I have the article 
> bookmarked at the office.  I'll check in the morning and post it if I find it.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
> 
> 
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.MyakkaTech.com 
> 
> Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL 
> 
> 
> Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html 
> 
> --
> 
> Thursday, May 25, 2017, 12:50:45 PM, you wrote:
> 
> I am getting more and more calls every week from clients saying that their 
> "streaming isn't working." Upon investigating each one of these cases the 
> customer always has purchased a "jailbroken" firestick loaded with KODI and 
> they are expecting to watch all kinds of movies for free. From what I can 
> tell this is very un-reliable compared to just paying for Netflix. Sometimes 
> the streams work and sometimes they don't. I basically have been telling 
> customers that what their doing is no different than the old satellite days 
> where people put the hacked cards into their set top boxes and get all the 
> satellite channels for free. But those cards were always getting "zapped" and 
> you were constantly having to get new cards and re-program cards so your 
> spending so much time dealing with the "un-reliable' TV watching experience 
> that it would have just been cheaper to pay for the service legally in the 
> first place. My solution for these customers has been to just tell them to 
> pay $10 for Netflix and be done with it.
> 
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:02 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net > wrote:
> 
> 
> haven't been able to reach him yet.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Jeremy 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
> 
> Why don't you ask him?
> 
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 8:21 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller  > wrote:
> 
> 
> out of the 250 or so "warnings" received through this morning, about 80% 
> appear to be tv shows and random episodes of such tv shows.  that is why i 
> was thinking kodi.  perhaps he browsed around just to see what would work and 
> what wouldn't.  i've never played with kodi but if this guy has this volume 
> of entertainment on his hard drive i would be surprised and would say he has 
> no life.  plus he has been a customer for a while - he isn't anyone new :)
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Tim Reichhart 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
> 
> with kodi you can download/add on for like utorrent to download movies or you 
> can also download exodus.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Joe Novak" >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Date: 05/25/17 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
> 
> To be honest, unless he is using some odd P2P addon for Kodi it's unlikely. 
> Most of the addons comb the net for the videos and aggregate the links for 
> you to watch on Kodi - which means your not sharing it back. Some kind of 
> popcorn time variant which is built on bittorrent is more likely, but I don't 
> know 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[Jay Weekley]

And the PBRs.

Jay Weekley wrote:

I'll bring the RPGs.

Jeremy wrote:

LMAO!

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Chris Wright > wrote:


Apocalypse party at Chuck's house! I'll be coming from California
so I'll bring my lack of foresight and a vast sense of entitlement.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

That was my first thought...  Prepper garage...

On 05/26/2017 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:
> Well, it is Utah...
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>
> That looks more like  a bunker.
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM, > wrote:
>
> Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars
underneath.  It
> gets a 3" cap of concrete poured over it.
>
> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>
>
> I'm totally doing that on my next house.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com

> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>
> Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not
understand
> why they did not start at one end and place them all in a
sequence.
> When they came to install this last slab, the hole was too
large and
> they had to scootch everything around.
>
>



 
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Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[SmarterBroadband]

I can use Link Planner to check LOS.  But the 820 in Link Planner will have 
very different radio Tx powers and receive sensitivities.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:07 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

 

I think airlink,ubnt.com   supports 11ghz now, so that can be 
used to get a fairly good idea of what it's going to do... also, Mimosa's tool 
is pretty nice.

But when you know you have a clear path and what the distance is, it's not very 
hard to calculate what the link is going to do... frequency planning is done by 
your coordinator.

 

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:59 PM, SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

Using?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 12:55 PM
To: af  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

 

DIY

 

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:45 PM, SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

How are you Link Planning your AF11 links?

 

Does UBNT do link Planning?

 

Reseller?

 

DIY?

 

Other??

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:43 PM
To: af  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

 

We have one up... other than some very ugly issues right after we put it up 
(which was apparently a bug in the firmware they shipped with... upgrading to 
the latest beta firmware fixed it), it has been working perfectly, and I 
haven't touched it since. 

The AF11 is certainly worth a look in my opinion, but it all depends on what 
you need it to do.

 

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Jon Langeler  > wrote:

Ignoring a few software bugs and delayed fixes, it's good for '2nd string' 
links. If this is for high priority link, I'd try SIAE or Cambium. 

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.

 


On May 25, 2017, at 2:46 PM, SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

We are looking to add some more Licensed Links to our network.

 

Does anyone actually have the AF11 in service.  Is it worth a look?  How is it 
performing for you?  Any issues?

 

Just not sure if it is worth considering or should I be looking at existing 
companied like;

 

Exalt ?

Dragonwave ?

SAIE ?

 

Or newer ones like

 

Alcoma

Cablefree FOR3

 

Anyone tried the last two?

 

Just looking for best bang for the buck in non core ring usage.

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[Jay Weekley]

I'll bring the RPGs.

Jeremy wrote:

LMAO!

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Chris Wright > wrote:


Apocalypse party at Chuck's house! I'll be coming from California
so I'll bring my lack of foresight and a vast sense of entitlement.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

That was my first thought...  Prepper garage...

On 05/26/2017 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:
> Well, it is Utah...
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>
> That looks more like  a bunker.
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM, > wrote:
>
> Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars
underneath.  It
> gets a 3" cap of concrete poured over it.
>
> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>
>
> I'm totally doing that on my next house.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com

> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>
> Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not
understand
> why they did not start at one end and place them all in a
sequence.
> When they came to install this last slab, the hole was too
large and
> they had to scootch everything around.
>
>



 
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Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[SmarterBroadband]

Liz does the coordination.  But we need to calculate the antenna size need to 
have an 4 or 5 nines link.

 

Normally I would use the manufacture i.e. exalt or Ceragon.

 

Or if Ceragon or Cambium use Link Planner.

 

Who or What is there for AF11?

  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

 

Liz Creekmore at IntelPath.

 

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:59 PM, SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

Using?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 12:55 PM
To: af  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

 

DIY

 

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:45 PM, SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

How are you Link Planning your AF11 links?

 

Does UBNT do link Planning?

 

Reseller?

 

DIY?

 

Other??

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:43 PM
To: af  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

 

We have one up... other than some very ugly issues right after we put it up 
(which was apparently a bug in the firmware they shipped with... upgrading to 
the latest beta firmware fixed it), it has been working perfectly, and I 
haven't touched it since. 

The AF11 is certainly worth a look in my opinion, but it all depends on what 
you need it to do.

 

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Jon Langeler  > wrote:

Ignoring a few software bugs and delayed fixes, it's good for '2nd string' 
links. If this is for high priority link, I'd try SIAE or Cambium. 

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.

 


On May 25, 2017, at 2:46 PM, SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

We are looking to add some more Licensed Links to our network.

 

Does anyone actually have the AF11 in service.  Is it worth a look?  How is it 
performing for you?  Any issues?

 

Just not sure if it is worth considering or should I be looking at existing 
companied like;

 

Exalt ?

Dragonwave ?

SAIE ?

 

Or newer ones like

 

Alcoma

Cablefree FOR3

 

Anyone tried the last two?

 

Just looking for best bang for the buck in non core ring usage.

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[Jeremy]

LMAO!

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:

> Apocalypse party at Chuck's house! I'll be coming from California so I'll
> bring my lack of foresight and a vast sense of entitlement.
>
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:23 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>
> That was my first thought...  Prepper garage...
>
> On 05/26/2017 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Well, it is Utah...
> >
> > *From:* Cameron Crum
> > *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
> >
> > That looks more like  a bunker.
> >
> > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM,  wrote:
> >
> > Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars underneath.  It
> > gets a 3" cap of concrete poured over it.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
> >
> >
> > I'm totally doing that on my next house.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage
> >
> > Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not understand
> > why they did not start at one end and place them all in a sequence.
> > When they came to install this last slab, the hole was too large and
> > they had to scootch everything around.
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[Chris Wright]

Apocalypse party at Chuck's house! I'll be coming from California so I'll bring 
my lack of foresight and a vast sense of entitlement.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

That was my first thought...  Prepper garage...

On 05/26/2017 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Well, it is Utah...
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>
> That looks more like  a bunker.
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM,  wrote:
>
> Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars underneath.  It
> gets a 3" cap of concrete poured over it.
>
> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>
>
> I'm totally doing that on my next house.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>
> Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not understand
> why they did not start at one end and place them all in a sequence.
> When they came to install this last slab, the hole was too large and
> they had to scootch everything around.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[Layne Sisk]

Kodi is the Napster of video in my mind.  Not sure if their enabling of illegal 
content will get them in trouble or not, but I think they are going to be 
required to attempt to control it.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
[New logo xl]

[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

Who is paying for all this bandwidth that the *servers* are providing for 
"ill-legitimate" content?

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
> wrote:
Mark,

Here is the link I was talking about

http://blog.skystreamx.com/fix-kodi-buffering/

--
Best regards,
Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL

Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
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Thursday, May 25, 2017, 10:52:39 PM, you wrote:

Kurt,

I read somewhere that kodi needs about 10-15meg connection to work correctly.  
Not sure if that was for live tv or everything.  Think I have the article 
bookmarked at the office.  I'll check in the morning and post it if I find it.

--
Best regards,
Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL

Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
--

Thursday, May 25, 2017, 12:50:45 PM, you wrote:

I am getting more and more calls every week from clients saying that their 
"streaming isn't working." Upon investigating each one of these cases the 
customer always has purchased a "jailbroken" firestick loaded with KODI and 
they are expecting to watch all kinds of movies for free. From what I can tell 
this is very un-reliable compared to just paying for Netflix. Sometimes the 
streams work and sometimes they don't. I basically have been telling customers 
that what their doing is no different than the old satellite days where people 
put the hacked cards into their set top boxes and get all the satellite 
channels for free. But those cards were always getting "zapped" and you were 
constantly having to get new cards and re-program cards so your spending so 
much time dealing with the "un-reliable' TV watching experience that it would 
have just been cheaper to pay for the service legally in the first place. My 
solution for these customers has been to just tell them to pay $10 for Netflix 
and be done with it.
On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:02 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:



haven't been able to reach him yet.

- Original Message -
From: Jeremy
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

Why don't you ask him?

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 8:21 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:



out of the 250 or so "warnings" received through this morning, about 80% appear 
to be tv shows and random episodes of such tv shows.  that is why i was 
thinking kodi.  perhaps he browsed around just to see what would work and what 
wouldn't.  i've never played with kodi but if this guy has this volume of 
entertainment on his hard drive i would be surprised and would say he has no 
life.  plus he has been a customer for a while - he isn't anyone new :)


- Original Message -
From: Tim Reichhart
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

with kodi you can download/add on for like utorrent to download movies or you 
can also download exodus.


-Original Message-
From: "Joe Novak" >
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 05/25/17 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

To be honest, unless he is using some odd P2P addon for Kodi it's unlikely. 
Most of the addons comb the net for the videos and aggregate the links for you 
to watch on Kodi - which means your not sharing it back. Some kind of popcorn 
time variant which is built on bittorrent is more likely, but I don't know if 
any of those still exist.


Joe


On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 9:09 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:



we have a customer who literally has gotten no fewer than 150 complaints from 
both fox and ip-echelon ? (sp) in the last 24 hours.
either he has downloaded half the internet or perhaps he has one of these new 
illegal kodi boxes.

some of you with more 

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Who is paying for all this bandwidth that the *servers* are providing for
"ill-legitimate" content?

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  wrote:

> Mark,
>
> Here is the link I was talking about
>
> http://blog.skystreamx.com/fix-kodi-buffering/
>
>
>
> *-- Best regards, Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> 
>
>
> *Myakka Technologies, Inc. *www.MyakkaTech.com
>
>
> *Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life *
> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
>
> *Please Donate at Please Donate at *http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
>
>
>
>
> *-- Thursday, May 25, 2017, 10:52:39 PM, you wrote: *
>
> Kurt,
>
> I read somewhere that kodi needs about 10-15meg connection to work
> correctly.  Not sure if that was for live tv or everything.  Think I have
> the article bookmarked at the office.  I'll check in the morning and post
> it if I find it.
>
>
>
> *-- Best regards, Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> 
>
>
> *Myakka Technologies, Inc. *www.MyakkaTech.com
>
>
> *Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life *
> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
>
> *Please Donate at Please Donate at *http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
>
>
>
>
> *-- Thursday, May 25, 2017, 12:50:45 PM, you wrote: *
>
> I am getting more and more calls every week from clients saying that their
> "streaming isn't working." Upon investigating each one of these cases the
> customer always has purchased a "jailbroken" firestick loaded with KODI and
> they are expecting to watch all kinds of movies for free. From what I can
> tell this is very un-reliable compared to just paying for Netflix.
> Sometimes the streams work and sometimes they don't. I basically have been
> telling customers that what their doing is no different than the old
> satellite days where people put the hacked cards into their set top boxes
> and get all the satellite channels for free. But those cards were always
> getting "zapped" and you were constantly having to get new cards and
> re-program cards so your spending so much time dealing with the
> "un-reliable' TV watching experience that it would have just been cheaper
> to pay for the service legally in the first place. My solution for these
> customers has been to just tell them to pay $10 for Netflix and be done
> with it.
>
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:02 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> haven't been able to reach him yet.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From: *Jeremy 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:26 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
>
> Why don't you ask him?
>
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 8:21 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> out of the 250 or so "warnings" received through this morning, about 80%
> appear to be tv shows and random episodes of such tv shows.  that is why i
> was thinking kodi.  perhaps he browsed around just to see what would work
> and what wouldn't.  i've never played with kodi but if this guy has this
> volume of entertainment on his hard drive i would be surprised and would
> say he has no life.  plus he has been a customer for a while - he isn't
> anyone new :)
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From: *Tim Reichhart 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:18 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
>
> with kodi you can download/add on for like utorrent to download movies or
> you can also download exodus.
>
>
> --
> -Original Message-
> From: "Joe Novak" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Date: 05/25/17 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?
>
> To be honest, unless he is using some odd P2P addon for Kodi it's
> unlikely. Most of the addons comb the net for the videos and aggregate the
> links for you to watch on Kodi - which means your not sharing it back. Some
> kind of popcorn time variant which is built on bittorrent is more likely,
> but I don't know if any of those still exist.
>
>
> Joe
>
>
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 9:09 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> we have a customer who literally has gotten no fewer than 150 complaints
> from both fox and ip-echelon ? (sp) in the last 24 hours.
> either he has downloaded half the internet or perhaps he has one of these
> new illegal kodi boxes.
>
> some of you with more experience than us in dealing with this - is it
> likely he has a kodi box? The alerts seem almost in real time
> but then again, they also seem to be coming after we turned his service
> off
>
> I know there is a safe harbor provision out there where we could basically
> put on our website any copyright violations must be delivered
> to us in writing and we could basically ignore these.but we haven't
> gotten that many in the past.
>
> thoughts?
>
> thanks
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[Robert Andrews]

That was my first thought...  Prepper garage...

On 05/26/2017 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Well, it is Utah...

*From:* Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

That looks more like  a bunker.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM,  wrote:

Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars underneath.  It
gets a 3" cap of concrete poured over it.

-Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage


I'm totally doing that on my next house.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage

Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not understand
why they did not start at one end and place them all in a sequence.
When they came to install this last slab, the hole was too large and
they had to scootch everything around.

Re: [AFMUG] PowerBox Pro

[Josh Baird]

Yeah - we'll be deploying our first S16's soon (instead of Netonix).  Hope
they work out.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Looking for a solution that doesn’t require an external box, etc.
>
>
>
> A 2nd S16 is the same price (without a box) as Netonix I think.  Chris’s
> description of port sensitivity issues on Netonix also scare us off
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 4:00 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PowerBox Pro
>
>
>
> Power with DC and have SFP interfaces?  Netonix.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> That being said, is there anything similar to power with fiber at 48v,
> short of a 2nd S16?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 3:46 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] PowerBox Pro
>
>
>
> Has anybody used these to provide power to anything significant?
>
>
>
> I have (2) towers with 400+ runs of 12awg from bottom to top with a 10AMP
> 56v/48v power supply going to a fully loaded S16 including (2) Cambium 320s
> (using power adapter) .   We are getting 48v actual at the top, BUT
> plugging the 2nd 320 into the S16 in at the top causes everything to
> reboot.  Changed 320s, definitely not a specific radio issue.
>
>
>
> S… I have plenty of fiber ports at the top so though I might be able
> to use a separate 48 power supply at the bottom (have another pair of 12awg
> to use also) and be able to power up one of both of the 320s off that.
>
>
>
> Can’t tell by the specs if the PowerBox Pro will output enough power???
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Mathew Howard]

I think airlink,ubnt.com supports 11ghz now, so that can be used to get a
fairly good idea of what it's going to do... also, Mimosa's tool is pretty
nice.

But when you know you have a clear path and what the distance is, it's not
very hard to calculate what the link is going to do... frequency planning
is done by your coordinator.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:59 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> Using?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:55 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>
>
>
> DIY
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:45 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> How are you Link Planning your AF11 links?
>
>
>
> Does UBNT do link Planning?
>
>
>
> Reseller?
>
>
>
> DIY?
>
>
>
> Other??
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:43 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>
>
>
> We have one up... other than some very ugly issues right after we put it
> up (which was apparently a bug in the firmware they shipped with...
> upgrading to the latest beta firmware fixed it), it has been working
> perfectly, and I haven't touched it since.
>
> The AF11 is certainly worth a look in my opinion, but it all depends on
> what you need it to do.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
> Ignoring a few software bugs and delayed fixes, it's good for '2nd string'
> links. If this is for high priority link, I'd try SIAE or Cambium.
>
> Jon Langeler
>
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
>
>
> On May 25, 2017, at 2:46 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> We are looking to add some more Licensed Links to our network.
>
>
>
> Does anyone actually have the AF11 in service.  Is it worth a look?  How
> is it performing for you?  Any issues?
>
>
>
> Just not sure if it is worth considering or should I be looking at
> existing companied like;
>
>
>
> Exalt ?
>
> Dragonwave ?
>
> SAIE ?
>
>
>
> Or newer ones like
>
>
>
> Alcoma
>
> Cablefree FOR3
>
>
>
> Anyone tried the last two?
>
>
>
> Just looking for best bang for the buck in non core ring usage.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PowerBox Pro

[Paul McCall]

We use S16s elsewhere on fully loaded towers with 320s.  But we have two with 
long lengths that are still getting 48v to the top but apparently, not enough 
amperage

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 4:01 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PowerBox Pro

I haven't even seen a PowerBox Pro yet, but I'm assuming it's the same guts as 
a hEX PoE/RB960PGS, which I do have in my hand at the moment... I can tell you 
that they'll power an AF-5X or ePMP AP without any issues, but I don't know 
about anything beyond that. If the S16 isn't putting out enough power, I doubt 
these will.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Has anybody used these to provide power to anything significant?

I have (2) towers with 400+ runs of 12awg from bottom to top with a 10AMP 
56v/48v power supply going to a fully loaded S16 including (2) Cambium 320s 
(using power adapter) .   We are getting 48v actual at the top, BUT plugging 
the 2nd 320 into the S16 in at the top causes everything to reboot.  Changed 
320s, definitely not a specific radio issue.

S… I have plenty of fiber ports at the top so though I might be able to use 
a separate 48 power supply at the bottom (have another pair of 12awg to use 
also) and be able to power up one of both of the 320s off that.

Can’t tell by the specs if the PowerBox Pro will output enough power???

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] PowerBox Pro

[Paul McCall]

Looking for a solution that doesn’t require an external box, etc.

A 2nd S16 is the same price (without a box) as Netonix I think.  Chris’s 
description of port sensitivity issues on Netonix also scare us off

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 4:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PowerBox Pro

Power with DC and have SFP interfaces?  Netonix.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
That being said, is there anything similar to power with fiber at 48v, short of 
a 2nd S16?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Paul McCall
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 3:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PowerBox Pro

Has anybody used these to provide power to anything significant?

I have (2) towers with 400+ runs of 12awg from bottom to top with a 10AMP 
56v/48v power supply going to a fully loaded S16 including (2) Cambium 320s 
(using power adapter) .   We are getting 48v actual at the top, BUT plugging 
the 2nd 320 into the S16 in at the top causes everything to reboot.  Changed 
320s, definitely not a specific radio issue.

S… I have plenty of fiber ports at the top so though I might be able to use 
a separate 48 power supply at the bottom (have another pair of 12awg to use 
also) and be able to power up one of both of the 320s off that.

Can’t tell by the specs if the PowerBox Pro will output enough power???

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] PowerBox Pro

[Mathew Howard]

I haven't even seen a PowerBox Pro yet, but I'm assuming it's the same guts
as a hEX PoE/RB960PGS, which I do have in my hand at the moment... I can
tell you that they'll power an AF-5X or ePMP AP without any issues, but I
don't know about anything beyond that. If the S16 isn't putting out enough
power, I doubt these will.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Has anybody used these to provide power to anything significant?
>
>
>
> I have (2) towers with 400+ runs of 12awg from bottom to top with a 10AMP
> 56v/48v power supply going to a fully loaded S16 including (2) Cambium 320s
> (using power adapter) .   We are getting 48v actual at the top, BUT
> plugging the 2nd 320 into the S16 in at the top causes everything to
> reboot.  Changed 320s, definitely not a specific radio issue.
>
>
>
> S… I have plenty of fiber ports at the top so though I might be able
> to use a separate 48 power supply at the bottom (have another pair of 12awg
> to use also) and be able to power up one of both of the 320s off that.
>
>
>
> Can’t tell by the specs if the PowerBox Pro will output enough power???
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Josh Baird]

Liz Creekmore at IntelPath.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:59 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> Using?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:55 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>
>
>
> DIY
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:45 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> How are you Link Planning your AF11 links?
>
>
>
> Does UBNT do link Planning?
>
>
>
> Reseller?
>
>
>
> DIY?
>
>
>
> Other??
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:43 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>
>
>
> We have one up... other than some very ugly issues right after we put it
> up (which was apparently a bug in the firmware they shipped with...
> upgrading to the latest beta firmware fixed it), it has been working
> perfectly, and I haven't touched it since.
>
> The AF11 is certainly worth a look in my opinion, but it all depends on
> what you need it to do.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
> Ignoring a few software bugs and delayed fixes, it's good for '2nd string'
> links. If this is for high priority link, I'd try SIAE or Cambium.
>
> Jon Langeler
>
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
>
>
> On May 25, 2017, at 2:46 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> We are looking to add some more Licensed Links to our network.
>
>
>
> Does anyone actually have the AF11 in service.  Is it worth a look?  How
> is it performing for you?  Any issues?
>
>
>
> Just not sure if it is worth considering or should I be looking at
> existing companied like;
>
>
>
> Exalt ?
>
> Dragonwave ?
>
> SAIE ?
>
>
>
> Or newer ones like
>
>
>
> Alcoma
>
> Cablefree FOR3
>
>
>
> Anyone tried the last two?
>
>
>
> Just looking for best bang for the buck in non core ring usage.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PowerBox Pro

[Josh Baird]

Power with DC and have SFP interfaces?  Netonix.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> That being said, is there anything similar to power with fiber at 48v,
> short of a 2nd S16?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 3:46 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] PowerBox Pro
>
>
>
> Has anybody used these to provide power to anything significant?
>
>
>
> I have (2) towers with 400+ runs of 12awg from bottom to top with a 10AMP
> 56v/48v power supply going to a fully loaded S16 including (2) Cambium 320s
> (using power adapter) .   We are getting 48v actual at the top, BUT
> plugging the 2nd 320 into the S16 in at the top causes everything to
> reboot.  Changed 320s, definitely not a specific radio issue.
>
>
>
> S… I have plenty of fiber ports at the top so though I might be able
> to use a separate 48 power supply at the bottom (have another pair of 12awg
> to use also) and be able to power up one of both of the 320s off that.
>
>
>
> Can’t tell by the specs if the PowerBox Pro will output enough power???
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[SmarterBroadband]

Using?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 12:55 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

 

DIY

 

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:45 PM, SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

How are you Link Planning your AF11 links?

 

Does UBNT do link Planning?

 

Reseller?

 

DIY?

 

Other??

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:43 PM
To: af  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

 

We have one up... other than some very ugly issues right after we put it up 
(which was apparently a bug in the firmware they shipped with... upgrading to 
the latest beta firmware fixed it), it has been working perfectly, and I 
haven't touched it since. 

The AF11 is certainly worth a look in my opinion, but it all depends on what 
you need it to do.

 

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Jon Langeler  > wrote:

Ignoring a few software bugs and delayed fixes, it's good for '2nd string' 
links. If this is for high priority link, I'd try SIAE or Cambium. 

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.

 


On May 25, 2017, at 2:46 PM, SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

We are looking to add some more Licensed Links to our network.

 

Does anyone actually have the AF11 in service.  Is it worth a look?  How is it 
performing for you?  Any issues?

 

Just not sure if it is worth considering or should I be looking at existing 
companied like;

 

Exalt ?

Dragonwave ?

SAIE ?

 

Or newer ones like

 

Alcoma

Cablefree FOR3

 

Anyone tried the last two?

 

Just looking for best bang for the buck in non core ring usage.

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] PowerBox Pro

[Paul McCall]

That being said, is there anything similar to power with fiber at 48v, short of 
a 2nd S16?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 3:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PowerBox Pro

Has anybody used these to provide power to anything significant?

I have (2) towers with 400+ runs of 12awg from bottom to top with a 10AMP 
56v/48v power supply going to a fully loaded S16 including (2) Cambium 320s 
(using power adapter) .   We are getting 48v actual at the top, BUT plugging 
the 2nd 320 into the S16 in at the top causes everything to reboot.  Changed 
320s, definitely not a specific radio issue.

S... I have plenty of fiber ports at the top so though I might be able to 
use a separate 48 power supply at the bottom (have another pair of 12awg to use 
also) and be able to power up one of both of the 320s off that.

Can't tell by the specs if the PowerBox Pro will output enough power???

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] PowerBox Pro

[Paul McCall]

May have answered my own question...


Ports 2 - 5, 802.3af/at, max 1 A per port (input < 30 V), max 450 mA per port 
(input > 30 V), max out total: 2 A

Doesn't seem like it has quite enough it this is a true statement.  The 320's 
take about 500ma sustained and I think a bit more to power up.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 3:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PowerBox Pro

Has anybody used these to provide power to anything significant?

I have (2) towers with 400+ runs of 12awg from bottom to top with a 10AMP 
56v/48v power supply going to a fully loaded S16 including (2) Cambium 320s 
(using power adapter) .   We are getting 48v actual at the top, BUT plugging 
the 2nd 320 into the S16 in at the top causes everything to reboot.  Changed 
320s, definitely not a specific radio issue.

S... I have plenty of fiber ports at the top so though I might be able to 
use a separate 48 power supply at the bottom (have another pair of 12awg to use 
also) and be able to power up one of both of the 320s off that.

Can't tell by the specs if the PowerBox Pro will output enough power???

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Mathew Howard]

DIY

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:45 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> How are you Link Planning your AF11 links?
>
>
>
> Does UBNT do link Planning?
>
>
>
> Reseller?
>
>
>
> DIY?
>
>
>
> Other??
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:43 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>
>
>
> We have one up... other than some very ugly issues right after we put it
> up (which was apparently a bug in the firmware they shipped with...
> upgrading to the latest beta firmware fixed it), it has been working
> perfectly, and I haven't touched it since.
>
> The AF11 is certainly worth a look in my opinion, but it all depends on
> what you need it to do.
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
> Ignoring a few software bugs and delayed fixes, it's good for '2nd string'
> links. If this is for high priority link, I'd try SIAE or Cambium.
>
> Jon Langeler
>
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
>
>
> On May 25, 2017, at 2:46 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> We are looking to add some more Licensed Links to our network.
>
>
>
> Does anyone actually have the AF11 in service.  Is it worth a look?  How
> is it performing for you?  Any issues?
>
>
>
> Just not sure if it is worth considering or should I be looking at
> existing companied like;
>
>
>
> Exalt ?
>
> Dragonwave ?
>
> SAIE ?
>
>
>
> Or newer ones like
>
>
>
> Alcoma
>
> Cablefree FOR3
>
>
>
> Anyone tried the last two?
>
>
>
> Just looking for best bang for the buck in non core ring usage.
>
>
>

[AFMUG] PowerBox Pro

[Paul McCall]

Has anybody used these to provide power to anything significant?

I have (2) towers with 400+ runs of 12awg from bottom to top with a 10AMP 
56v/48v power supply going to a fully loaded S16 including (2) Cambium 320s 
(using power adapter) .   We are getting 48v actual at the top, BUT plugging 
the 2nd 320 into the S16 in at the top causes everything to reboot.  Changed 
320s, definitely not a specific radio issue.

S... I have plenty of fiber ports at the top so though I might be able to 
use a separate 48 power supply at the bottom (have another pair of 12awg to use 
also) and be able to power up one of both of the 320s off that.

Can't tell by the specs if the PowerBox Pro will output enough power???

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?


Mark,

Here is the link I was talking about

http://blog.skystreamx.com/fix-kodi-buffering/

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 Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
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Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
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Thursday, May 25, 2017, 10:52:39 PM, you wrote:





Kurt,

I read somewhere that kodi needs about 10-15meg connection to work correctly.  Not sure if that was for live tv or everything.  Think I have the article bookmarked at the office.  I'll check in the morning and post it if I find it.

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Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.MyakkaTech.com

Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life
http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL

Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
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Thursday, May 25, 2017, 12:50:45 PM, you wrote:





I am getting more and more calls every week from clients saying that their "streaming isn't working." Upon investigating each one of these cases the customer always has purchased a "jailbroken" firestick loaded with KODI and they are expecting to watch all kinds of movies for free. From what I can tell this is very un-reliable compared to just paying for Netflix. Sometimes the streams work and sometimes they don't. I basically have been telling customers that what their doing is no different than the old satellite days where people put the hacked cards into their set top boxes and get all the satellite channels for free. But those cards were always getting "zapped" and you were constantly having to get new cards and re-program cards so your spending so much time dealing with the "un-reliable' TV watching experience that it would have just been cheaper to pay for the service legally in the first place. My solution for these customers has been to just tell them to pay $10 for Netflix and be done with it.

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:02 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:





haven't been able to reach him yet.





- Original Message - 
From: Jeremy
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

Why don't you ask him?

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 8:21 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:





out of the 250 or so "warnings" received through this morning, about 80% appear to be tv shows and random episodes of such tv shows.  that is why i was thinking kodi.  perhaps he browsed around just to see what would work and what wouldn't.  i've never played with kodi but if this guy has this volume of entertainment on his hard drive i would be surprised and would say he has no life.  plus he has been a customer for a while - he isn't anyone new :)






- Original Message - 
From: Tim Reichhart
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

with kodi you can download/add on for like utorrent to download movies or you can also download exodus.





-Original Message-
From: "Joe Novak" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 05/25/17 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] kodi?

To be honest, unless he is using some odd P2P addon for Kodi it's unlikely. Most of the addons comb the net for the videos and aggregate the links for you to watch on Kodi - which means your not sharing it back. Some kind of popcorn time variant which is built on bittorrent is more likely, but I don't know if any of those still exist. 


Joe


On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 9:09 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:




 

we have a customer who literally has gotten no fewer than 150 complaints from both fox and ip-echelon ? (sp) in the last 24 hours.
either he has downloaded half the internet or perhaps he has one of these new illegal kodi boxes.

some of you with more experience than us in dealing with this - is it likely he has a kodi box? The alerts seem almost in real time
but then again, they also seem to be coming after we turned his service off

I know there is a safe harbor provision out there where we could basically put on our website any copyright violations must be delivered
to us in writing and we could basically ignore these.but we haven't gotten that many in the past.

thoughts?

thanks

Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

[chuck]

I have only used vibratory plows with a chute, so not sure a serrated plow 
blade would be a great help.  Have not seen one.  

From: Joe 
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

Great question… there is a few key differences.

 

With a chute, you can drop in multiple conduit… BIG advantage, sometimes we put 
in 2x 1.5” or 1.5” plus a ¾”.  One for fiber, one for power if a customer wants 
power at a driveway (gates, light, sensor)

 

If you are required to put in a “caution tape”, must use a chute… 

 

If you are going in a straight line, pulling is great.  Less HP needed.

   Many or sharp curves… use a chute

   Or plan for adding couplers

 

If soil conditions are soft, chute works great.  No breakage or pipe stretching.

If soil conditions are packed/hard… add more horsepower/traction for a chute

 

Using a pull blade to run the path without product in hard ground on the first 
pass, then go back with the pull blade on the second pass and pull the product.

 

If you have roots, the pull blade with serrated teeth do a great job.  I 
haven’t seen a serrated edge on a chute. 

 

Friction is not your friend when pulling… 

 

And size of the machine… when using a chute, you need more traction / weight / 
HP.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

 

Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know pulling 
limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.

Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

[Joe]

Great question… there is a few key differences.

 

With a chute, you can drop in multiple conduit… BIG advantage, sometimes we put 
in 2x 1.5” or 1.5” plus a ¾”.  One for fiber, one for power if a customer wants 
power at a driveway (gates, light, sensor)

 

If you are required to put in a “caution tape”, must use a chute… 

 

If you are going in a straight line, pulling is great.  Less HP needed.

   Many or sharp curves… use a chute

   Or plan for adding couplers

 

If soil conditions are soft, chute works great.  No breakage or pipe stretching.

If soil conditions are packed/hard… add more horsepower/traction for a chute

 

Using a pull blade to run the path without product in hard ground on the first 
pass, then go back with the pull blade on the second pass and pull the product.

 

If you have roots, the pull blade with serrated teeth do a great job.  I 
haven’t seen a serrated edge on a chute. 

 

Friction is not your friend when pulling… 

 

And size of the machine… when using a chute, you need more traction / weight / 
HP.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

 

Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know pulling 
limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.

[AFMUG] RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT-US

[Paul McCall]

http://www.balticnetworks.com/mikrotik-hap-ac-gigabit-dual-band-indoor-access-point-built-in-antennas-us.html?utm_source=CUSTOMERS_campaign=72b4381c24-LWJA_MikroTik_2017_05_26_medium=email_term=0_bedfd17547-72b4381c24-221077597_cid=72b4381c24_eid=967f714545


So does this unit have the same power (at 2.4 Ghz) as the RB951Ui-2HnD ?

Hoping it does 


Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[SmarterBroadband]

How are you Link Planning your AF11 links?

 

Does UBNT do link Planning?

 

Reseller?

 

DIY?

 

Other??

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:43 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

 

We have one up... other than some very ugly issues right after we put it up 
(which was apparently a bug in the firmware they shipped with... upgrading to 
the latest beta firmware fixed it), it has been working perfectly, and I 
haven't touched it since. 

The AF11 is certainly worth a look in my opinion, but it all depends on what 
you need it to do.

 

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Jon Langeler  > wrote:

Ignoring a few software bugs and delayed fixes, it's good for '2nd string' 
links. If this is for high priority link, I'd try SIAE or Cambium. 

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.

 


On May 25, 2017, at 2:46 PM, SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

We are looking to add some more Licensed Links to our network.

 

Does anyone actually have the AF11 in service.  Is it worth a look?  How is it 
performing for you?  Any issues?

 

Just not sure if it is worth considering or should I be looking at existing 
companied like;

 

Exalt ?

Dragonwave ?

SAIE ?

 

Or newer ones like

 

Alcoma

Cablefree FOR3

 

Anyone tried the last two?

 

Just looking for best bang for the buck in non core ring usage.

 

Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

[Jason McKemie]

It's probably going to be a 410sx, but I wouldn't be doing anything bigger
than 3/4".

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:29 PM,  wrote:

> I prefer a chute.  But you need a bigger machine for those.  Depends on
> what you are plowing I guess.  I have not seen 1.25” put in by pulling.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 12:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>
> Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know
> pulling limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

[chuck]

I prefer a chute.  But you need a bigger machine for those.  Depends on what 
you are plowing I guess.  I have not seen 1.25” put in by pulling.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 12:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know pulling 
limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[chuck]

That room is yet to be poured.  I have a tunnel connecting the basement to the 
garage and there will be a food storage room off of the tunnel.  

From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 12:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

Imagine all the food storage that can fit in there!!





  On May 26, 2017, at 12:20 PM,   wrote:

  Well, it is Utah...

  From: Cameron Crum 
  Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

  That looks more like  a bunker.

  On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM,  wrote:

Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars underneath.  It gets a 3" 
cap of concrete poured over it.

-Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage 


I'm totally doing that on my next house.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage

Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not understand why they 
did not start at one end and place them all in a sequence.  When they came to 
install this last slab, the hole was too large and they had to scootch 
everything around. 

Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

The chute is much harder to pull through the ground (in our experience).  The 
pulling blade pulls a narrow blade through whereas the chute has to open a 2” 
gap.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know pulling 
limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.

[AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

[Jason McKemie]

Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know
pulling limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[Cassidy B. Larson]

Imagine all the food storage that can fit in there!!



> On May 26, 2017, at 12:20 PM,   wrote:
> 
> Well, it is Utah...
>  
> From: Cameron Crum <>
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>  
> That looks more like  a bunker.
>  
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM, > wrote:
>> Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars underneath.  It gets a 3" 
>> cap of concrete poured over it.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>> 
>> 
>> I'm totally doing that on my next house.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <>] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com <>
>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com <>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>> 
>> Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not understand why they 
>> did not start at one end and place them all in a sequence.  When they came 
>> to install this last slab, the hole was too large and they had to scootch 
>> everything around. 
> 
>  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[chuck]

Well, it is Utah...

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 12:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

That looks more like  a bunker.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM,  wrote:

  Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars underneath.  It gets a 3" 
cap of concrete poured over it.

  -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
  Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage 


  I'm totally doing that on my next house.


  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage

  Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not understand why they 
did not start at one end and place them all in a sequence.  When they came to 
install this last slab, the hole was too large and they had to scootch 
everything around. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[chuck]

No rebar or mesh.  Just control joints sawed into it after it is cast.

The pre stressed slabs have a load limitation based on their span etc.  I 
think it is 150 lbs per square foot or something like it on my 32 foot 
spans.  So if you don't overload it, should work just fine for earth 
sheltered structures.


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 12:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

Does the cap get rebar or mesh or anything? I presume those are
pres-tressed concrete? They look like it.

Also looks like you could use those for an earth sheltered structure?


bp


On 5/26/2017 10:41 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars underneath.  It gets a 
3" cap of concrete poured over it.


-Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

I'm totally doing that on my next house.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage

Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not understand why they 
did not start at one end and place them all in a sequence.  When they came 
to install this last slab, the hole was too large and they had to scootch 
everything around.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[Cameron Crum]

That looks more like  a bunker.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM,  wrote:

> Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars underneath.  It gets a
> 3" cap of concrete poured over it.
>
> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>
>
> I'm totally doing that on my next house.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage
>
> Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not understand why they
> did not start at one end and place them all in a sequence.  When they came
> to install this last slab, the hole was too large and they had to scootch
> everything around.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[Bill Prince]

Does the cap get rebar or mesh or anything? I presume those are 
pres-tressed concrete? They look like it.


Also looks like you could use those for an earth sheltered structure?


bp


On 5/26/2017 10:41 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars underneath.  It gets 
a 3" cap of concrete poured over it.


-Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

I'm totally doing that on my next house.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage

Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not understand why 
they did not start at one end and place them all in a sequence.  When 
they came to install this last slab, the hole was too large and they 
had to scootch everything around.

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Mathew Howard]

Also, if you're not going to be paying the full license cost if you're just
switching to different radios here. I think it should be well under $1k in
licensing costs.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> It's roughly 6x cheaper here compared to what you are paying.
>
> - Josh
>
> On May 26, 2017 12:07 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:
>
>> Buying cheap is buying twice (and mounting). Dont know what your license
>> cost is. In Germany it would be 6kEuro for 56MHz x 2 V+H for 10 years.
>> Looking at cheap lastgen licensed gear like e.g. SIAE Alfo+ the difference
>> is not that much.
>>
>> Blocking frequency does only make sense where regulations does allow
>> inefficient/interfering gear. I would not get a licensed frequency for a
>> Wifi-based Radio like Mimosa. With higher quality gear you could reuse the
>> frequency every 30 degree. So there is more free spectrum to use.
>>
>> On Fri, 26 May 2017 16:54:07 +
>>  Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I really don't see it as being an issue with the AF11. With
>>> Mimosas,
>>> the fact that you're having to license both channels both directions,
>>> certainly has the potential to cause problems trying to coordinate around
>>> your own stuff, and that's not really going to be particularly useful as
>>> far as the "reserving" channels argument goes. But with the AF11, they're
>>> operating exactly the same as a normal licensed radio with a (technically
>>> two channels, if you're using MIMO) transmit channel and a receive
>>> channel,
>>> so going to a more efficient radio is going to just be a direct drop
>>> in...
>>> it's really not the worst thing to use a spectrally inefficient radio on
>>> a
>>> link that's probably going to need to be upgraded to something faster in
>>> a
>>> few years from that point of view.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark, I can see your point in Mimosa units, but AF11x units  do no
 operate
 the same way

 From: Af  on behalf of Mark Radabaugh <
 m...@amplex.net>
 Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
 Date: Friday, May 26, 2017 at 12:07 PM
 To: "af@afmug.com" 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

 The lack of spectrum efficiency with the licensed bands is my biggest
 beef
 with the inexpensive licensed links on the market by Ubiquiti and
 Mimosa.
 Yes they transfer a lot of data, but they do it by using very large
 amounts
 of scarce spectrum in both H channels.

 Mark




 *Gino A. Villarini*
 President
 Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

 On May 26, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

 *sigh* I hate the FCC's web site.

 No, their site just sucks. Look up Test Report 1 for SWX-AF11



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 
 
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
 --
 *From: *"Nate Burke" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, May 26, 2017 8:56:31 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

 Do you have to have some sort of Login for that?  I just return a plain
 'You are not authorized to access this page.' when following the link.

 On 5/26/2017 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3152229

 Page 60



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 
 
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
 --
 *From: *"Eric Kuhnke"  
 *To: 

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Gino A. Villarini]

Well yeah, about 10 or 15% less… but they come lower in the bits/mhz/$ calc


From: Af > on behalf of Mike 
Hammett >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Friday, May 26, 2017 at 1:23 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

They still operate with less efficiency than last-generation traditional radios.



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From: "Gino A. Villarini" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:39:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

Mark, I can see your point in Mimosa units, but AF11x units  do no operate the 
same way

From: Af > on behalf of Mark 
Radabaugh >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Friday, May 26, 2017 at 12:07 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

The lack of spectrum efficiency with the licensed bands is my biggest beef with 
the inexpensive licensed links on the market by Ubiquiti and Mimosa.   Yes they 
transfer a lot of data, but they do it by using very large amounts of scarce 
spectrum in both H channels.

Mark





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On May 26, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:

*sigh* I hate the FCC's web site.

No, their site just sucks. Look up Test Report 1 for SWX-AF11



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From: "Nate Burke" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:56:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

Do you have to have some sort of Login for that?  I just return a plain 'You 
are not authorized to access this page.' when following the link.

On 5/26/2017 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3152229

Page 60



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Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, but GPS sync is only going to work if all the 11ghz links are Mimosa
(it also makes the B11 even more spectrally inefficient, since you're
limited to using a fixed ratio). But my point was that if you want to use
an inefficient radio to lock up spectrum, licensing the channels both
directions isn't really helpful over just licensing one channel each
direction, since whatever you replace the B11 with when it comes time for
more capacity almost certainly isn't going to be a half duplex radio.

The B11 has it's place... no other 11ghz radio can move close to a full gig
for anywhere near the price as far as I know, but the fact that it eats up
so much spectrum does have to be considered.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> the fact that you're having to license both channels both directions,
> certainly has the potential to cause problems trying to coordinate around
> your own stuff,
>
> Would be in-correct, due to the fact that B11's will GPS Sync and allow
> for Freq Reuse with other B11's.
>
> I also beg to differ about 'being efficient' in terms of License Freq
> Usage I prescribe to the other theory of ... Get the biggest
> fattest channel you can use before someone else does you can always
> change out the radio for something more efficient later.
>
>
> This by no means is a commentary on what others feel  on this topic, but
> more of a point that some operators think one way and others feel
> differently.  I guess our thinking is shaped by the environment we are
> operating in.
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Friday, May 26, 2017 12:54:07 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>
> Yeah, I really don't see it as being an issue with the AF11. With Mimosas,
> the fact that you're having to license both channels both directions,
> certainly has the potential to cause problems trying to coordinate around
> your own stuff, and that's not really going to be particularly useful as
> far as the "reserving" channels argument goes. But with the AF11, they're
> operating exactly the same as a normal licensed radio with a (technically
> two channels, if you're using MIMO) transmit channel and a receive channel,
> so going to a more efficient radio is going to just be a direct drop in...
> it's really not the worst thing to use a spectrally inefficient radio on a
> link that's probably going to need to be upgraded to something faster in a
> few years from that point of view.
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> Mark, I can see your point in Mimosa units, but AF11x units  do no
>> operate the same way
>>
>> From: Af  on behalf of Mark Radabaugh <
>> m...@amplex.net>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Friday, May 26, 2017 at 12:07 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>>
>> The lack of spectrum efficiency with the licensed bands is my biggest
>> beef with the inexpensive licensed links on the market by Ubiquiti and
>> Mimosa.   Yes they transfer a lot of data, but they do it by using very
>> large amounts of scarce spectrum in both H channels.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>>
>> On May 26, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>> *sigh* I hate the FCC's web site.
>>
>> No, their site just sucks. Look up Test Report 1 for SWX-AF11
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, May 26, 2017 8:56:31 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>>
>> Do you have to have some sort of Login for that?  I just return a plain
>> 'You are not authorized to access this page.' when following the link.
>>
>> On 5/26/2017 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3152229
>>
>> Page 60
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

[chuck]

Slightly more than B deck but no posts or pillars underneath.  It gets a 3" 
cap of concrete poured over it.


-Original Message- 
From: Sterling Jacobson

Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Garage

I'm totally doing that on my next house.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Garage

Got my floor/ceiling installed this morning.  I do not understand why they 
did not start at one end and place them all in a sequence.  When they came 
to install this last slab, the hole was too large and they had to scootch 
everything around. 

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Mike Hammett]

They still operate with less efficiency than last-generation traditional 
radios. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Gino A. Villarini"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 11:39:13 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences 


Mark, I can see your point in Mimosa units, but AF11x units do no operate the 
same way 


From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Mark Radabaugh < m...@amplex.net 
> 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Friday, May 26, 2017 at 12:07 PM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences 





The lack of spectrum efficiency with the licensed bands is my biggest beef with 
the inexpensive licensed links on the market by Ubiquiti and Mimosa. Yes they 
transfer a lot of data, but they do it by using very large amounts of scarce 
spectrum in both H channels. 


Mark 










Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 
On May 26, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 



*sigh* I hate the FCC's web site. 

No, their site just sucks. Look up Test Report 1 for SWX-AF11 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke" < n...@blastcomm.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:56:31 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences 

Do you have to have some sort of Login for that? I just return a plain 'You are 
not authorized to access this page.' when following the link. 


On 5/26/2017 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3152229 

Page 60 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Eric Kuhnke"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:20:42 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences 


My theory is that the AF11FX "40 MHz" channel used in the previous example I 
posted is actually something like 33 or 34 MHz wide if you look at it on a 
$15,000 bench test spectrum analyzer. 


On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: 



It is significantly worse... Look at the spec sheets. Our old SAF Lumina can do 
366mbps in a single polarity 256qam 56mhz channel... an AF11 doesn't even match 
that running at 1024qam - it will theoretically do somewhere around 340mbps at 
1024qam and somewhere around 275mbps at 256qam. 


On May 25, 2017 9:06 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote: 



If all you can get on a particular path is a theoretical single 40 MHz wide FDD 
channel pair, one polarity, I don't see how the 1024QAM bps/Hz efficiency would 
be significantly worse than a competing single polarity product (SAF Integra, 
etc) running in the same channel size. Unless you are counting more expensive 
competing products that advertise header compression and very different Mbps 
rates for 64-byte vs much larger packet sizes. 


It's very cost effective so I will forgive it many things, my main problem is 
that it can't actually use near the full width of an 80 MHz channel. 


On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 6:26 PM, George Skorup < george.sko...@cbcast.com > 
wrote: 




Yeah. Cost is one thing, but if all you can get is a single polarity on a 
particular path, the AF11 is probably one of the last things I'd look at. 
Congestion is a problem around here. 



On 5/25/2017 8:21 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: 


On 5/25/17 18:12, Mathew Howard wrote: 



We're running the full 56mhz/MIMO... I haven't been able to get them to run at 
1024qam yet (antennas still need to be fine tuned, it wasn't ideal weather 
conditions when we put them up, so I'm hoping we'll be able to get a bit more 
out them), so they're only at around 550Mbps capacity (and I've verified the 
link will do around 500Mbps with real traffic). 





Only 500 meg with two channels? Crap, I have an old Exalt that can do that with 
only one channel at 256QAM. 

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Adam Moffett]

I'm with you.  I would also rather license the biggest possible channel.

-- Original Message --
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 5/26/2017 1:09:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

the fact that you're having to license both channels both 
directions, certainly has the potential to cause problems trying to 
coordinate around your own stuff,


Would be in-correct, due to the fact that B11's will GPS Sync and allow 
for Freq Reuse with other B11's.


I also beg to differ about 'being efficient' in terms of License Freq 
Usage I prescribe to the other theory of ... Get the biggest 
fattest channel you can use before someone else does you can always 
change out the radio for something more efficient later.



This by no means is a commentary on what others feel  on this topic, 
but more of a point that some operators think one way and others feel 
differently.  I guess our thinking is shaped by the environment we are 
operating in.


:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 12:54:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
Yeah, I really don't see it as being an issue with the AF11. With 
Mimosas, the fact that you're having to license both channels both 
directions, certainly has the potential to cause problems trying to 
coordinate around your own stuff, and that's not really going to be 
particularly useful as far as the "reserving" channels argument goes. 
But with the AF11, they're operating exactly the same as a normal 
licensed radio with a (technically two channels, if you're using MIMO) 
transmit channel and a receive channel, so going to a more efficient 
radio is going to just be a direct drop in... it's really not the 
worst thing to use a spectrally inefficient radio on a link that's 
probably going to need to be upgraded to something faster in a few 
years from that point of view.


On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
 wrote:
Mark, I can see your point in Mimosa units, but AF11x units  do no 
operate the same way


From: Af  on behalf of Mark Radabaugh 


Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Friday, May 26, 2017 at 12:07 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

The lack of spectrum efficiency with the licensed bands is my biggest 
beef with the inexpensive licensed links on the market by Ubiquiti 
and Mimosa.   Yes they transfer a lot of data, but they do it by 
using very large amounts of scarce spectrum in both H channels.


Mark







Gino A. Villarini

PresidentMetro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


On May 26, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:


*sigh* I hate the FCC's web site.

No, their site just sucks. Look up Test Report 1 for SWX-AF11



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 





From: "Nate Burke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:56:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

Do you have to have some sort of Login for that?  I just return a 
plain 'You are not authorized to access this page.' when following 
the link.


On 5/26/2017 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3152229

Page 60



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 





From: "Eric Kuhnke"  

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Jon Langeler]

The GPS method makes more sense if your in a 'uniquie' area where there's no 
traditional links on the same tower 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On May 26, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> 
> the fact that you're having to license both channels both directions, 
> certainly has the potential to cause problems trying to coordinate around 
> your own stuff,
> 
> Would be in-correct, due to the fact that B11's will GPS Sync and allow for 
> Freq Reuse with other B11's.
> 
> I also beg to differ about 'being efficient' in terms of License Freq 
> Usage I prescribe to the other theory of ... Get the biggest fattest 
> channel you can use before someone else does you can always change out 
> the radio for something more efficient later.
> 
> 
> This by no means is a commentary on what others feel  on this topic, but more 
> of a point that some operators think one way and others feel differently.  I 
> guess our thinking is shaped by the environment we are operating in.
> 
> :)
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> From: "Mathew Howard" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 12:54:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
> Yeah, I really don't see it as being an issue with the AF11. With Mimosas, 
> the fact that you're having to license both channels both directions, 
> certainly has the potential to cause problems trying to coordinate around 
> your own stuff, and that's not really going to be particularly useful as far 
> as the "reserving" channels argument goes. But with the AF11, they're 
> operating exactly the same as a normal licensed radio with a (technically two 
> channels, if you're using MIMO) transmit channel and a receive channel, so 
> going to a more efficient radio is going to just be a direct drop in... it's 
> really not the worst thing to use a spectrally inefficient radio on a link 
> that's probably going to need to be upgraded to something faster in a few 
> years from that point of view. 
> 
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini  
>> wrote:
>> Mark, I can see your point in Mimosa units, but AF11x units  do no operate 
>> the same way
>> 
>> From: Af  on behalf of Mark Radabaugh 
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Friday, May 26, 2017 at 12:07 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>> 
>> The lack of spectrum efficiency with the licensed bands is my biggest beef 
>> with the inexpensive licensed links on the market by Ubiquiti and Mimosa.   
>> Yes they transfer a lot of data, but they do it by using very large amounts 
>> of scarce spectrum in both H channels.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> 
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 26, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> 
>> *sigh* I hate the FCC's web site.
>> 
>> No, their site just sucks. Look up Test Report 1 for SWX-AF11
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Nate Burke" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:56:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>> 
>> Do you have to have some sort of Login for that?  I just return a plain 'You 
>> are not authorized to access this page.' when following the link.
>> 
>> On 5/26/2017 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3152229
>> 
>> Page 60
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:20:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>> 
>> My theory is that the AF11FX "40 MHz" channel used in the previous example I 
>> posted is actually something like 33 or 34 MHz wide if you look at it on a 
>> $15,000 bench test spectrum analyzer.
>> 
>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>> It is significantly worse... Look at the spec sheets. Our old SAF Lumina 
>>> can do 366mbps in a single polarity 256qam 56mhz channel... an AF11 doesn't 
>>> even match that running at 1024qam - it will theoretically do somewhere 
>>> around 340mbps at 1024qam and somewhere around 275mbps at 256qam.
>>> 
 On May 25, 2017 9:06 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:
>>> 
 If all you can get on a particular path is a theoretical single 40 MHz 
 wide FDD channel pair, one polarity, I don't see how the 1024QAM bps/Hz 
 efficiency would be 

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Faisal Imtiaz]

 the fact that you're having to license both channels both directions, 
 certainly has the potential to cause problems trying to coordinate around 
 your own stuff, 

Would be in-correct, due to the fact that B11's will GPS Sync and allow for 
Freq Reuse with other B11's. 

I also beg to differ about 'being efficient' in terms of License Freq Usage 
I prescribe to the other theory of ... Get the biggest fattest channel you can 
use before someone else does you can always change out the radio for 
something more efficient later. 

This by no means is a commentary on what others feel on this topic, but more of 
a point that some operators think one way and others feel differently. I guess 
our thinking is shaped by the environment we are operating in. 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Mathew Howard" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 12:54:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

> Yeah, I really don't see it as being an issue with the AF11. With Mimosas, the
> fact that you're having to license both channels both directions, certainly 
> has
> the potential to cause problems trying to coordinate around your own stuff, 
> and
> that's not really going to be particularly useful as far as the "reserving"
> channels argument goes. But with the AF11, they're operating exactly the same
> as a normal licensed radio with a (technically two channels, if you're using
> MIMO) transmit channel and a receive channel, so going to a more efficient
> radio is going to just be a direct drop in... it's really not the worst thing
> to use a spectrally inefficient radio on a link that's probably going to need
> to be upgraded to something faster in a few years from that point of view.

> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > 
> wrote:

>> Mark, I can see your point in Mimosa units, but AF11x units do no operate the
>> same way

>> From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Mark Radabaugh < 
>> m...@amplex.net
>> >
>> Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
>> Date: Friday, May 26, 2017 at 12:07 PM
>> To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

>> The lack of spectrum efficiency with the licensed bands is my biggest beef 
>> with
>> the inexpensive licensed links on the market by Ubiquiti and Mimosa. Yes they
>> transfer a lot of data, but they do it by using very large amounts of scarce
>> spectrum in both H channels.

>> Mark

>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

>>> On May 26, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote:

>>> *sigh* I hate the FCC's web site.

>>> No, their site just sucks. Look up Test Report 1 for SWX-AF11

>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions

>>> Midwest Internet Exchange

>>> The Brothers WISP

>>> From: "Nate Burke" < n...@blastcomm.com >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:56:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

>>> Do you have to have some sort of Login for that? I just return a plain 'You 
>>> are
>>> not authorized to access this page.' when following the link.

>>> On 5/26/2017 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3152229

 Page 60

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions

 Midwest Internet Exchange

 The Brothers WISP

 From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:20:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

 My theory is that the AF11FX "40 MHz" channel used in the previous example 
 I
 posted is actually something like 33 or 34 MHz wide if you look at it on a
 $15,000 bench test spectrum analyzer.

 On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > 
 wrote:

> It is significantly worse... Look at the spec sheets. Our old SAF Lumina 
> can do
> 366mbps in a single polarity 256qam 56mhz channel... an AF11 doesn't even 
> match
> that running at 1024qam - it will theoretically do somewhere around 
> 340mbps at
> 1024qam and somewhere around 275mbps at 256qam.

> On May 25, 2017 9:06 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote:

>> If all you can get on a particular path is a theoretical single 40 MHz 
>> wide FDD
>> channel pair, one polarity, I don't see how the 1024QAM bps/Hz 
>> efficiency would
>> be significantly worse than a competing single polarity product (SAF 
>> Integra,
>> etc) running in the same channel size. Unless you are counting more 
>> expensive
>> competing products that advertise header compression and very different 
>> Mbps
>> rates for 64-byte vs much 

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Josh Reynolds]

It's roughly 6x cheaper here compared to what you are paying.

- Josh

On May 26, 2017 12:07 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:

> Buying cheap is buying twice (and mounting). Dont know what your license
> cost is. In Germany it would be 6kEuro for 56MHz x 2 V+H for 10 years.
> Looking at cheap lastgen licensed gear like e.g. SIAE Alfo+ the difference
> is not that much.
>
> Blocking frequency does only make sense where regulations does allow
> inefficient/interfering gear. I would not get a licensed frequency for a
> Wifi-based Radio like Mimosa. With higher quality gear you could reuse the
> frequency every 30 degree. So there is more free spectrum to use.
>
> On Fri, 26 May 2017 16:54:07 +
>  Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I really don't see it as being an issue with the AF11. With Mimosas,
>> the fact that you're having to license both channels both directions,
>> certainly has the potential to cause problems trying to coordinate around
>> your own stuff, and that's not really going to be particularly useful as
>> far as the "reserving" channels argument goes. But with the AF11, they're
>> operating exactly the same as a normal licensed radio with a (technically
>> two channels, if you're using MIMO) transmit channel and a receive
>> channel,
>> so going to a more efficient radio is going to just be a direct drop in...
>> it's really not the worst thing to use a spectrally inefficient radio on a
>> link that's probably going to need to be upgraded to something faster in a
>> few years from that point of view.
>>
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Mark, I can see your point in Mimosa units, but AF11x units  do no operate
>>> the same way
>>>
>>> From: Af  on behalf of Mark Radabaugh <
>>> m...@amplex.net>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Date: Friday, May 26, 2017 at 12:07 PM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>>>
>>> The lack of spectrum efficiency with the licensed bands is my biggest
>>> beef
>>> with the inexpensive licensed links on the market by Ubiquiti and Mimosa.
>>> Yes they transfer a lot of data, but they do it by using very large
>>> amounts
>>> of scarce spectrum in both H channels.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> On May 26, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
>>> *sigh* I hate the FCC's web site.
>>>
>>> No, their site just sucks. Look up Test Report 1 for SWX-AF11
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Friday, May 26, 2017 8:56:31 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>>>
>>> Do you have to have some sort of Login for that?  I just return a plain
>>> 'You are not authorized to access this page.' when following the link.
>>>
>>> On 5/26/2017 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>
>>> https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3152229
>>>
>>> Page 60
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke"  
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:20:42 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>>>
>>> My theory is that the AF11FX "40 MHz" channel used in the previous
>>> example
>>> I posted is actually something like 33 or 34 MHz wide if you look at it
>>> on
>>> a $15,000 bench test spectrum analyzer.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Mathew Howard < 

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Stefan Englhardt]

Buying cheap is buying twice (and mounting). Dont know what your license 
cost is. In Germany it would be 6kEuro for 56MHz x 2 V+H for 10 years. 
Looking at cheap lastgen licensed gear like e.g. SIAE Alfo+ the difference 
is not that much.


Blocking frequency does only make sense where regulations does allow 
inefficient/interfering gear. I would not get a licensed frequency for a 
Wifi-based Radio like Mimosa. With higher quality gear you could reuse the 
frequency every 30 degree. So there is more free spectrum to use.
 


On Fri, 26 May 2017 16:54:07 +
 Mathew Howard  wrote:
Yeah, I really don't see it as being an issue with the 
AF11. With Mimosas,
the fact that you're having to license both channels 
both directions,
certainly has the potential to cause problems trying to 
coordinate around
your own stuff, and that's not really going to be 
particularly useful as
far as the "reserving" channels argument goes. But with 
the AF11, they're
operating exactly the same as a normal licensed radio 
with a (technically
two channels, if you're using MIMO) transmit channel and 
a receive channel,
so going to a more efficient radio is going to just be a 
direct drop in...
it's really not the worst thing to use a spectrally 
inefficient radio on a
link that's probably going to need to be upgraded to 
something faster in a

few years from that point of view.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini 


wrote:

Mark, I can see your point in Mimosa units, but AF11x 
units  do no operate

the same way

From: Af  on behalf of Mark 
Radabaugh <

m...@amplex.net>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Friday, May 26, 2017 at 12:07 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

The lack of spectrum efficiency with the licensed bands 
is my biggest beef
with the inexpensive licensed links on the market by 
Ubiquiti and Mimosa.
Yes they transfer a lot of data, but they do it by using 
very large amounts

of scarce spectrum in both H channels.

Mark




*Gino A. Villarini*
President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 
00968


On May 26, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett 
 wrote:


*sigh* I hate the FCC's web site.

No, their site just sucks. Look up Test Report 1 for 
SWX-AF11




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 




Midwest Internet Exchange 



The Brothers WISP 




--
*From: *"Nate Burke" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, May 26, 2017 8:56:31 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

Do you have to have some sort of Login for that?  I just 
return a plain
'You are not authorized to access this page.' when 
following the link.


On 5/26/2017 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3152229

Page 60



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 




Midwest Internet Exchange 



The Brothers WISP 




--
*From: *"Eric Kuhnke"  


*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:20:42 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

My theory is that the AF11FX "40 MHz" channel used in 
the previous example
I posted is actually something like 33 or 34 MHz wide if 
you look at it on

a $15,000 bench test spectrum analyzer.

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Mathew Howard < 


mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

It is significantly worse... Look at the spec sheets. 
Our old SAF Lumina
can do 366mbps in a single polarity 256qam 56mhz 
channel... an AF11 doesn't
even match that running at 1024qam - it will 
theoretically do somewhere
around 340mbps at 1024qam and somewhere around 275mbps 
at 256qam.


On May 25, 2017 9:06 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" < 


eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

If all you can get on a particular path is a theoretical 
single 40 MHz
wide FDD channel pair, one 

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, I really don't see it as being an issue with the AF11. With Mimosas,
the fact that you're having to license both channels both directions,
certainly has the potential to cause problems trying to coordinate around
your own stuff, and that's not really going to be particularly useful as
far as the "reserving" channels argument goes. But with the AF11, they're
operating exactly the same as a normal licensed radio with a (technically
two channels, if you're using MIMO) transmit channel and a receive channel,
so going to a more efficient radio is going to just be a direct drop in...
it's really not the worst thing to use a spectrally inefficient radio on a
link that's probably going to need to be upgraded to something faster in a
few years from that point of view.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> Mark, I can see your point in Mimosa units, but AF11x units  do no operate
> the same way
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Mark Radabaugh <
> m...@amplex.net>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Friday, May 26, 2017 at 12:07 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>
> The lack of spectrum efficiency with the licensed bands is my biggest beef
> with the inexpensive licensed links on the market by Ubiquiti and Mimosa.
> Yes they transfer a lot of data, but they do it by using very large amounts
> of scarce spectrum in both H channels.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On May 26, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> *sigh* I hate the FCC's web site.
>
> No, their site just sucks. Look up Test Report 1 for SWX-AF11
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, May 26, 2017 8:56:31 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>
> Do you have to have some sort of Login for that?  I just return a plain
> 'You are not authorized to access this page.' when following the link.
>
> On 5/26/2017 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3152229
>
> Page 60
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:20:42 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>
> My theory is that the AF11FX "40 MHz" channel used in the previous example
> I posted is actually something like 33 or 34 MHz wide if you look at it on
> a $15,000 bench test spectrum analyzer.
>
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Mathew Howard < 
> mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It is significantly worse... Look at the spec sheets. Our old SAF Lumina
>> can do 366mbps in a single polarity 256qam 56mhz channel... an AF11 doesn't
>> even match that running at 1024qam - it will theoretically do somewhere
>> around 340mbps at 1024qam and somewhere around 275mbps at 256qam.
>>
>> On May 25, 2017 9:06 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" < 
>> eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If all you can get on a particular path is a theoretical single 40 MHz
>>> wide FDD channel pair, one polarity, I don't see how the 1024QAM bps/Hz
>>> efficiency would be significantly worse than a competing single polarity
>>> product (SAF Integra, etc) running in the same channel size. Unless you are
>>> counting more expensive competing products that advertise header
>>> compression and very different Mbps rates for 64-byte vs much larger packet
>>> sizes.
>>>
>>> It's very cost effective so I will forgive it many things, my main
>>> problem is that it can't 

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Gino A. Villarini]

Mark, I can see your point in Mimosa units, but AF11x units  do no operate the 
same way

From: Af > on behalf of Mark 
Radabaugh >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Friday, May 26, 2017 at 12:07 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

The lack of spectrum efficiency with the licensed bands is my biggest beef with 
the inexpensive licensed links on the market by Ubiquiti and Mimosa.   Yes they 
transfer a lot of data, but they do it by using very large amounts of scarce 
spectrum in both H channels.

Mark





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On May 26, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:

*sigh* I hate the FCC's web site.

No, their site just sucks. Look up Test Report 1 for SWX-AF11



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From: "Nate Burke" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:56:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

Do you have to have some sort of Login for that?  I just return a plain 'You 
are not authorized to access this page.' when following the link.

On 5/26/2017 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
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From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:20:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

My theory is that the AF11FX "40 MHz" channel used in the previous example I 
posted is actually something like 33 or 34 MHz wide if you look at it on a 
$15,000 bench test spectrum analyzer.

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Mathew Howard 
<mhoward...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
It is significantly worse... Look at the spec sheets. Our old SAF Lumina can do 
366mbps in a single polarity 256qam 56mhz channel... an AF11 doesn't even match 
that running at 1024qam - it will theoretically do somewhere around 340mbps at 
1024qam and somewhere around 275mbps at 256qam.

On May 25, 2017 9:06 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" 
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
If all you can get on a particular path is a theoretical single 40 MHz wide FDD 
channel pair, one polarity, I don't see how the 1024QAM bps/Hz efficiency would 
be significantly worse than a competing single polarity product (SAF Integra, 
etc) running in the same channel size. Unless you are counting more expensive 
competing products that advertise header compression and very different Mbps 
rates for 64-byte vs much larger packet sizes.

It's very 

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Jaime Solorza]

Huh? Aren't these licensed and coordinated?

On May 26, 2017 10:33 AM, "Mark Radabaugh"  wrote:

> We have more problems finding clear channels due to our own links.  Being
> efficient up front is cheaper in the long run IMHO.   Running dual pol
> 80Ghz channels in scare 11Ghz spectrum is not really a good plan.
>
> Mark
>
> On May 26, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> wrote:
>
> But, if you are going to need the spectrum over time, it's an inexpensive
> way to lock it up.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On May 26, 2017, at 12:07 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> The lack of spectrum efficiency with the licensed bands is my biggest beef
> with the inexpensive licensed links on the market by Ubiquiti and Mimosa.
> Yes they transfer a lot of data, but they do it by using very large amounts
> of scarce spectrum in both H channels.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On May 26, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> *sigh* I hate the FCC's web site.
>
> No, their site just sucks. Look up Test Report 1 for SWX-AF11
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, May 26, 2017 8:56:31 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>
> Do you have to have some sort of Login for that?  I just return a plain
> 'You are not authorized to access this page.' when following the link.
>
> On 5/26/2017 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3152229
>
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> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:20:42 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>
> My theory is that the AF11FX "40 MHz" channel used in the previous example
> I posted is actually something like 33 or 34 MHz wide if you look at it on
> a $15,000 bench test spectrum analyzer.
>
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Mathew Howard < 
> mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It is significantly worse... Look at the spec sheets. Our old SAF Lumina
>> can do 366mbps in a single polarity 256qam 56mhz channel... an AF11 doesn't
>> even match that running at 1024qam - it will theoretically do somewhere
>> around 340mbps at 1024qam and somewhere around 275mbps at 256qam.
>>
>> On May 25, 2017 9:06 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" < 
>> eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If all you can get on a particular path is a theoretical single 40 MHz
>>> wide FDD channel pair, one polarity, I don't see how the 1024QAM bps/Hz
>>> efficiency would be significantly worse than a competing single polarity
>>> product (SAF Integra, etc) running in the same channel size. Unless you are
>>> counting more expensive competing products that advertise header
>>> compression and very different Mbps rates for 64-byte vs much larger packet
>>> sizes.
>>>
>>> It's very cost effective so I will forgive it many things, my main
>>> problem is that it can't actually *use* near the full width of an 80
>>> MHz channel.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 6:26 PM, George Skorup >> > wrote:
>>>
 Yeah. Cost is one thing, but if all you can get is a single polarity on
 a particular path, the AF11 is probably one of the last things I'd look at.
 Congestion is a problem around here.


 On 5/25/2017 8:21 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

> On 5/25/17 18:12, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
>>
>> We're running the full 56mhz/MIMO... I haven't 

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Mark Radabaugh]

We have more problems finding clear channels due to our own links.  Being 
efficient up front is cheaper in the long run IMHO.   Running dual pol 80Ghz 
channels in scare 11Ghz spectrum is not really a good plan.

Mark

> On May 26, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  wrote:
> 
> But, if you are going to need the spectrum over time, it's an inexpensive way 
> to lock it up.
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 
> 
> On May 26, 2017, at 12:07 PM, Mark Radabaugh  > wrote:
> 
>> The lack of spectrum efficiency with the licensed bands is my biggest beef 
>> with the inexpensive licensed links on the market by Ubiquiti and Mimosa.   
>> Yes they transfer a lot of data, but they do it by using very large amounts 
>> of scarce spectrum in both H channels.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 26, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> *sigh* I hate the FCC's web site.
>>> 
>>> No, their site just sucks. Look up Test Report 1 for SWX-AF11
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>>   
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>>   
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> From: "Nate Burke" >
>>> To: af@afmug.com 
>>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:56:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>>> 
>>> Do you have to have some sort of Login for that?  I just return a plain 
>>> 'You are not authorized to access this page.' when following the link.
>>> 
>>> On 5/26/2017 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3152229 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Page 60
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>>   
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>>   
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> From: "Eric Kuhnke"  
>>> To: af@afmug.com 
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:20:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>>> 
>>> My theory is that the AF11FX "40 MHz" channel used in the previous example 
>>> I posted is actually something like 33 or 34 MHz wide if you look at it on 
>>> a $15,000 bench test spectrum analyzer.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Mathew Howard < 
>>> mhoward...@gmail.com 
>>> > wrote:
>>> It is significantly worse... Look at the spec sheets. Our old SAF Lumina 
>>> can do 366mbps in a single polarity 256qam 56mhz channel... an AF11 doesn't 
>>> even match that running at 1024qam - it will theoretically do somewhere 
>>> around 340mbps at 1024qam and somewhere around 275mbps at 256qam.
>>> 
>>> On May 25, 2017 9:06 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" < 
>>> eric.kuh...@gmail.com 
>>> > wrote:
>>> If all you can get on a particular path is a theoretical single 40 MHz wide 
>>> FDD channel pair, one polarity, I don't see how the 1024QAM bps/Hz 
>>> efficiency would be significantly worse than a competing single polarity 
>>> product (SAF Integra, etc) running in the same channel size. Unless you are 
>>> counting more expensive competing products that advertise header 
>>> compression and very different Mbps rates for 64-byte vs much larger packet 
>>> sizes.
>>> 
>>> It's very cost effective so I will forgive it many things, my main problem 
>>> is that it can't actually use near the full width of an 80 MHz channel. 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 6:26 PM, George Skorup >> > wrote:
>>> Yeah. Cost is one thing, but if all you can get is a 

Re: [AFMUG] August 21,2017 eclipse.

[Jaime Solorza]

Old wives tale in certain parts of Mexico...

On May 26, 2017 9:12 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

> All I can say to that is  What?
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
>
>> don't forget to attach a safety pin to bottom of your shirt so if you are
>> pregnant the baby doesn't come out looking like Gila monster.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>>
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah I thought about just staying up in the air too.  Probably quite a
>>> spooky sight to see :)
>>>
>>> -sean
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:10 PM  wrote:
>>>
 I took a Piper Turbo Arrow above the clouds over Portland, Oregon back
 in 1978/9  don’t remember exactly when, perhaps winter.  Then I saw one in
 Quincy, Illinois back in about 1991.

 *From:* Sean Heskett
 *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 7:53 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] August 21,2017 eclipse.

 I'm gonna try to fly into Driggs, ID or Casper, WY depending on the
 weather that day.

 -Sean

 On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:49 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
 li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> For those of you who are planning to make the trek to (or are lucky
> enough to be in the path) of the totality portion of the August eclipse,
> there is a citizen science project which I'm participating in which needs 
> a
> few more volunteers:
>
> https://eclipsemega.movie
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
> 
>   
>
>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

But, if you are going to need the spectrum over time, it's an inexpensive way 
to lock it up.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On May 26, 2017, at 12:07 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> The lack of spectrum efficiency with the licensed bands is my biggest beef 
> with the inexpensive licensed links on the market by Ubiquiti and Mimosa.   
> Yes they transfer a lot of data, but they do it by using very large amounts 
> of scarce spectrum in both H channels.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
>> On May 26, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> 
>> *sigh* I hate the FCC's web site.
>> 
>> No, their site just sucks. Look up Test Report 1 for SWX-AF11
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Nate Burke" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:56:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>> 
>> Do you have to have some sort of Login for that?  I just return a plain 'You 
>> are not authorized to access this page.' when following the link.
>> 
>> On 5/26/2017 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett   wrote:
>> https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3152229
>> 
>> Page 60
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:20:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>> 
>> My theory is that the AF11FX "40 MHz" channel used in the previous example I 
>> posted is actually something like 33 or 34 MHz wide if you look at it on a 
>> $15,000 bench test spectrum analyzer.
>> 
>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>> It is significantly worse... Look at the spec sheets. Our old SAF Lumina 
>>> can do 366mbps in a single polarity 256qam 56mhz channel... an AF11 doesn't 
>>> even match that running at 1024qam - it will theoretically do somewhere 
>>> around 340mbps at 1024qam and somewhere around 275mbps at 256qam.
>>> 
 On May 25, 2017 9:06 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:
 If all you can get on a particular path is a theoretical single 40 MHz 
 wide FDD channel pair, one polarity, I don't see how the 1024QAM bps/Hz 
 efficiency would be significantly worse than a competing single polarity 
 product (SAF Integra, etc) running in the same channel size. Unless you 
 are counting more expensive competing products that advertise header 
 compression and very different Mbps rates for 64-byte vs much larger 
 packet sizes.
 
 It's very cost effective so I will forgive it many things, my main problem 
 is that it can't actually use near the full width of an 80 MHz channel. 
 
 On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 6:26 PM, George Skorup  
 wrote:
> Yeah. Cost is one thing, but if all you can get is a single polarity on a 
> particular path, the AF11 is probably one of the last things I'd look at. 
> Congestion is a problem around here.
> 
> 
>> On 5/25/2017 8:21 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>>> On 5/25/17 18:12, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>> 
>>> We're running the full 56mhz/MIMO... I haven't been able to get them to 
>>> run at 1024qam yet (antennas still need to be fine tuned, it wasn't 
>>> ideal weather conditions when we put them up, so I'm hoping we'll be 
>>> able to get a bit more out them), so they're only at around 550Mbps 
>>> capacity (and I've verified the link will do around 500Mbps with real 
>>> traffic).
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Only 500 meg with two channels? Crap, I have an old Exalt that can do 
>> that with only one channel at 256QAM.
> 
 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Stefan Englhardt]

And as licensed spectrum has to be payed they are not cheap overall.

On Fri, 26 May 2017 16:07:38 +
 Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
The lack of spectrum efficiency with the licensed bands 
is my biggest beef with the inexpensive licensed links on 
the market by Ubiquiti and Mimosa.   Yes they transfer a 
lot of data, but they do it by using very large amounts 
of scarce spectrum in both H channels.


Mark


On May 26, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett 
 wrote:


*sigh* I hate the FCC's web site.

No, their site just sucks. Look up Test Report 1 for 
SWX-AF11




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
  
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
  
 


The Brothers WISP 
 


 
From: "Nate Burke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:56:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

Do you have to have some sort of Login for that?  I just 
return a plain 'You are not authorized to access this 
page.' when following the link.


On 5/26/2017 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3152229 



Page 60



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
  
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
  
 


The Brothers WISP 
 


 
From: "Eric Kuhnke"  


To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:20:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

My theory is that the AF11FX "40 MHz" channel used in 
the previous example I posted is actually something like 
33 or 34 MHz wide if you look at it on a $15,000 bench 
test spectrum analyzer.


On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Mathew Howard < 
mhoward...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
It is significantly worse... Look at the spec sheets. 
Our old SAF Lumina can do 366mbps in a single polarity 
256qam 56mhz channel... an AF11 doesn't even match that 
running at 1024qam - it will theoretically do somewhere 
around 340mbps at 1024qam and somewhere around 275mbps at 
256qam.


On May 25, 2017 9:06 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" < 
eric.kuh...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
If all you can get on a particular path is a theoretical 
single 40 MHz wide FDD channel pair, one polarity, I 
don't see how the 1024QAM bps/Hz efficiency would be 
significantly worse than a competing single polarity 
product (SAF Integra, etc) running in the same channel 
size. Unless you are counting more expensive competing 
products that advertise header compression and very 
different Mbps rates for 64-byte vs much larger packet 
sizes.


It's very cost effective so I will forgive it many 
things, my main problem is that it can't actually use 
near the full width of an 80 MHz channel. 

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 6:26 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
Yeah. Cost is one thing, but if all you can get is a 
single polarity on a particular path, the AF11 is 
probably one of the last things I'd look at. Congestion 
is a problem around here.



On 5/25/2017 8:21 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 5/25/17 18:12, Mathew Howard wrote:

We're running the full 56mhz/MIMO... I haven't been able 
to get them to run at 1024qam yet (antennas still need to 
be fine tuned, it wasn't ideal weather conditions when we 
put them up, so I'm hoping we'll be able to get a bit 
more out them), so they're only at around 550Mbps 
capacity (and I've verified the link will do around 
500Mbps with real traffic).




Only 500 meg with two channels? Crap, I have an old 
Exalt that can do that with only one channel at 256QAM.











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Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Mark Radabaugh]

The lack of spectrum efficiency with the licensed bands is my biggest beef with 
the inexpensive licensed links on the market by Ubiquiti and Mimosa.   Yes they 
transfer a lot of data, but they do it by using very large amounts of scarce 
spectrum in both H channels.

Mark


> On May 26, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> *sigh* I hate the FCC's web site.
> 
> No, their site just sucks. Look up Test Report 1 for SWX-AF11
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: "Nate Burke" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:56:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
> 
> Do you have to have some sort of Login for that?  I just return a plain 'You 
> are not authorized to access this page.' when following the link.
> 
> On 5/26/2017 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3152229 
> 
> 
> Page 60
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: "Eric Kuhnke"  
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:20:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
> 
> My theory is that the AF11FX "40 MHz" channel used in the previous example I 
> posted is actually something like 33 or 34 MHz wide if you look at it on a 
> $15,000 bench test spectrum analyzer.
> 
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Mathew Howard < 
> mhoward...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
> It is significantly worse... Look at the spec sheets. Our old SAF Lumina can 
> do 366mbps in a single polarity 256qam 56mhz channel... an AF11 doesn't even 
> match that running at 1024qam - it will theoretically do somewhere around 
> 340mbps at 1024qam and somewhere around 275mbps at 256qam.
> 
> On May 25, 2017 9:06 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" < 
> eric.kuh...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
> If all you can get on a particular path is a theoretical single 40 MHz wide 
> FDD channel pair, one polarity, I don't see how the 1024QAM bps/Hz efficiency 
> would be significantly worse than a competing single polarity product (SAF 
> Integra, etc) running in the same channel size. Unless you are counting more 
> expensive competing products that advertise header compression and very 
> different Mbps rates for 64-byte vs much larger packet sizes.
> 
> It's very cost effective so I will forgive it many things, my main problem is 
> that it can't actually use near the full width of an 80 MHz channel. 
> 
> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 6:26 PM, George Skorup  > wrote:
> Yeah. Cost is one thing, but if all you can get is a single polarity on a 
> particular path, the AF11 is probably one of the last things I'd look at. 
> Congestion is a problem around here.
> 
> 
> On 5/25/2017 8:21 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 5/25/17 18:12, Mathew Howard wrote:
> 
> We're running the full 56mhz/MIMO... I haven't been able to get them to run 
> at 1024qam yet (antennas still need to be fine tuned, it wasn't ideal weather 
> conditions when we put them up, so I'm hoping we'll be able to get a bit more 
> out them), so they're only at around 550Mbps capacity (and I've verified the 
> link will do around 500Mbps with real traffic).
> 
> 
> 
> Only 500 meg with two channels? Crap, I have an old Exalt that can do that 
> with only one channel at 256QAM.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Ptp650/500 compatibility?

[Colin Stanners]

Unfortunately the Orthogon line sucks for RF backwards compatibility -
that's one of the only real downsides about them - so I doubt it.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Is there a way to get a 500 to link with a 650 for a migration?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Exclusive Marketing Agreements

[can...@believewireless.net]

This was years ago but one apartment owner with ~50 units was getting $8000
plus free
Internet and TV for the office. I don't remember if the $8k was every year
or every couple of years.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Any idea what companies like Comcast are paying property companies to be
> an "exclusive marketing" partner?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>

[AFMUG] Ptp650/500 compatibility?

[Steve Jones]

Is there a way to get a 500 to link with a 650 for a migration?

Re: [AFMUG] Exclusive Marketing Agreements

[Gino A. Villarini]

I heard between $500 and $1k per unit

From: Af > on behalf of Mike 
Hammett >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Friday, May 26, 2017 at 11:08 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: [AFMUG] Exclusive Marketing Agreements

Any idea what companies like Comcast are paying property companies to be an 
"exclusive marketing" partner?



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