Re: [AFMUG] Diplexer question

[Colin Stanners]

How wide is your channel size? You may be more than just 5/15mhz past the
edge. From what I remember most diplexers in that range don't have such a
sharp cutoff that they would affect only a few mhz, but if you're running
80mhz channels you're more likely to get an edge cut off, with interesting
results.

On Jul 25, 2017 12:07 AM, "Adair Winter" 
wrote:

> I have a set of exalt exploreair radios with band 8 (11.00-11.2/11.5-11.7
> diplexers in them. I'm currently licensed in band 7,
> (10.925-11.125/11.425-11.625) on 10.995/11.485. So only 5mhz outside the
> band 8 diplexers. Anyone know how sharp the cutoff is and if these "might"
> work or not? Last we knew, exalt was 16 weeks out on parts.. :(
>
> --
>
> Adair Winter
> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
> http://www.amarillowireless.net
> 
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Diplexer question

[Adair Winter]

I have a set of exalt exploreair radios with band 8 (11.00-11.2/11.5-11.7
diplexers in them. I'm currently licensed in band 7,
(10.925-11.125/11.425-11.625) on 10.995/11.485. So only 5mhz outside the
band 8 diplexers. Anyone know how sharp the cutoff is and if these "might"
work or not? Last we knew, exalt was 16 weeks out on parts.. :(

-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs Mimosa b11

[Sean Heskett]

Use the SAF integra and you'll get 948Mbps

-Sean


On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:57 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> We are looking at raising capacity on one of our major link from 366 to
> whatever. SAF 2+0 says in the documentation we can go up to 732mbps
>
> Mimosa, with the same antenna characteristics claims different numbers
> everytime I look at the report. their path profile tool is junk.
>
> Its a lot of radio sticking with SAF, and supposedly mimosa can do more,
> though I suspect its like the ubnt of licensed links, a little more buggy.
> We already commited to two mimosa 11ghz links elsewhere on the network, and
> weve been told its all software defined do a single unit to spare for all
> of them sounds pretty good.
>
> I haven't actually priced cambium, mainly because when we first got into
> 11ghz, nobody would quote us
>
> the link is just a little over 10 miles and has a 3' on one side, 4' on
> the other, with whatever the SAF interface mount is called
>
> are these mimosa radios worth their salt? theyre dirt cheap, which is
> nice, but I'm not feeling a lot of joy so far with them
>

Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs Mimosa b11

[George Skorup]

A traditional FDD link is always going to give you microsecond latency 
and full-duplex capacity. That's what I want in our network since we 
have bandwidth coming in from multiple directions at diverse sites.


On 7/24/2017 9:57 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
We are looking at raising capacity on one of our major link from 366 
to whatever. SAF 2+0 says in the documentation we can go up to 732mbps


Mimosa, with the same antenna characteristics claims different numbers 
everytime I look at the report. their path profile tool is junk.


Its a lot of radio sticking with SAF, and supposedly mimosa can do 
more, though I suspect its like the ubnt of licensed links, a little 
more buggy. We already commited to two mimosa 11ghz links elsewhere on 
the network, and weve been told its all software defined do a single 
unit to spare for all of them sounds pretty good.


I haven't actually priced cambium, mainly because when we first got 
into 11ghz, nobody would quote us


the link is just a little over 10 miles and has a 3' on one side, 4' 
on the other, with whatever the SAF interface mount is called


are these mimosa radios worth their salt? theyre dirt cheap, which is 
nice, but I'm not feeling a lot of joy so far with them

[AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs Mimosa b11

[Steve Jones]

We are looking at raising capacity on one of our major link from 366 to
whatever. SAF 2+0 says in the documentation we can go up to 732mbps

Mimosa, with the same antenna characteristics claims different numbers
everytime I look at the report. their path profile tool is junk.

Its a lot of radio sticking with SAF, and supposedly mimosa can do more,
though I suspect its like the ubnt of licensed links, a little more buggy.
We already commited to two mimosa 11ghz links elsewhere on the network, and
weve been told its all software defined do a single unit to spare for all
of them sounds pretty good.

I haven't actually priced cambium, mainly because when we first got into
11ghz, nobody would quote us

the link is just a little over 10 miles and has a 3' on one side, 4' on the
other, with whatever the SAF interface mount is called

are these mimosa radios worth their salt? theyre dirt cheap, which is nice,
but I'm not feeling a lot of joy so far with them

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[Lewis Bergman]

A task is not the same thing as a job.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017, 8:45 PM Jay Weekley  wrote:

> I'm to 14.
>
> CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
> > Gotcha. I guess I should go make one too :)
> > I have 5 jobs...can i list them all?
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* Chuck McCown 
> > *To:* af@afmug.com 
> > *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 7:46 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
> >
> > To contact people in the business world.  If I don’t have an email
> > or phone number for someone I can almost always find them there.
> > Nice to keep tabs on acquaintances as they move from job to job too.
> > *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> > *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 6:45 PM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
> > What do you use it for, Chuck?
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 6:53 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
> > I use linkedin all the time.  I never use Facebook.
> > Linked in is for boys, FB is for girls.
> > *From:* Steve Jones
> > *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 5:49 PM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
> > There are some very useful targeted usergroups there,
> > responsive members tend to be pretty qualified on the specific
> > group topic. That's the biggest benefit, though some of the
> > people are real fanboy dicks on the group topic, so theres that.
> > Its got a real good resume builder if youre looking to get out
> > of the wisp business.
> > the endorsements thing is kind of cool if youre looking for
> > somebody to do some work, but anybody can endorse, so its kind
> > of easily skewed
> > for whatever reason, liz creekmore is always sitting in the
> > people you may know page, shes not hard on the eyes, so theres
> > that.
> > Its not like facebook where vaguely associated people should
> > be added, I accept any request, but barely add anybody unless
> > there is content I want to view that they post about
> > Its a really good place to find professionals for one off
> > outsourced projects without having to go through some
> > outsourcing companies sales glub
> > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Paul Stewart
> >  wrote:
> >
> > I tried Premium for a while and didn't find it useful 
> > I like LinkedIn though a lot 
> > If you are job hunting then probably upgrading is worth it
> > for a period of time 
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jul 24, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Mike Hammett
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> If you don't know what you'd use it for at all, I would
> >> probably shy away from paying for it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -
> >> Mike Hammett
> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> >> <
> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><
> https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> >> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> >> <
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><
> https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> >> The Brothers WISP 
> >> 
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >>
>  
> >> *From: *"Jay Weekley" 
> >> *To: *af@afmug.com
> >> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:06:10 PM
> >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
> >>
> >> Is the premium account worth it?
> >>
> >> Josh Reynolds wrote:
> >> > I agree 100%. It is by far the best business to
> >> business and
> >> > professional networking tool.
> >> >
> >> > On Jul 24, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett"  >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > It's certainly more useful in business than any other
> social
> >> media.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -
> >> > Mike Hammett
> >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions <
> http://www.ics-il.com/>
> >> >   

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[Jay Weekley]

I'm to 14.

CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

Gotcha. I guess I should go make one too :)
I have 5 jobs...can i list them all?

- Original Message -
*From:* Chuck McCown 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 7:46 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

To contact people in the business world.  If I don’t have an email
or phone number for someone I can almost always find them there. 
Nice to keep tabs on acquaintances as they move from job to job too.

*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 6:45 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
What do you use it for, Chuck?

- Original Message -
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 6:53 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
I use linkedin all the time.  I never use Facebook.
Linked in is for boys, FB is for girls.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 5:49 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
There are some very useful targeted usergroups there,
responsive members tend to be pretty qualified on the specific
group topic. That's the biggest benefit, though some of the
people are real fanboy dicks on the group topic, so theres that.
Its got a real good resume builder if youre looking to get out
of the wisp business.
the endorsements thing is kind of cool if youre looking for
somebody to do some work, but anybody can endorse, so its kind
of easily skewed
for whatever reason, liz creekmore is always sitting in the
people you may know page, shes not hard on the eyes, so theres
that.
Its not like facebook where vaguely associated people should
be added, I accept any request, but barely add anybody unless
there is content I want to view that they post about
Its a really good place to find professionals for one off
outsourced projects without having to go through some
outsourcing companies sales glub
On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Paul Stewart
 wrote:

I tried Premium for a while and didn't find it useful 
I like LinkedIn though a lot 
If you are job hunting then probably upgrading is worth it
for a period of time 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Mike Hammett
 wrote:


If you don't know what you'd use it for at all, I would
probably shy away from paying for it.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 






*From: *"Jay Weekley" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:06:10 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

Is the premium account worth it?

Josh Reynolds wrote:
> I agree 100%. It is by far the best business to
business and
> professional networking tool.
>
> On Jul 24, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett"  > wrote:
>
> It's certainly more useful in business than any other social
media.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> >>>>
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[Chuck McCown]

Sure, it is a good place to put your best face on things.  You can do as much 
or little of a life history/resume as you want.  
To me it is like a nice rolodex of business contacts that updates itself.  Just 
last week I used it to track down a lawyer I have not talked to for about 10 
years.  He has a new company but there is no contact info at all on their 
website!

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 7:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin


Gotcha. I guess I should go make one too :)
I have 5 jobs...can i list them all?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 7:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

  To contact people in the business world.  If I don’t have an email or phone 
number for someone I can almost always find them there.  Nice to keep tabs on 
acquaintances as they move from job to job too.  

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:45 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin


  What do you use it for, Chuck?

- Original Message - 
From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

I use linkedin all the time.  I never use Facebook.  

Linked in is for boys, FB is for girls.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 5:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

There are some very useful targeted usergroups there, responsive members 
tend to be pretty qualified on the specific group topic. That's the biggest 
benefit, though some of the people are real fanboy dicks on the group topic, so 
theres that.
Its got a real good resume builder if youre looking to get out of the wisp 
business.
the endorsements thing is kind of cool if youre looking for somebody to do 
some work, but anybody can endorse, so its kind of easily skewed
for whatever reason, liz creekmore is always sitting in the people you may 
know page, shes not hard on the eyes, so theres that. 
Its not like facebook where vaguely associated people should be added, I 
accept any request, but barely add anybody unless there is content I want to 
view that they post about
Its a really good place to find professionals for one off outsourced 
projects without having to go through some outsourcing companies sales glub

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

  I tried Premium for a while and didn't find it useful  I like 
LinkedIn though a lot 

  If you are job hunting then probably upgrading is worth it for a period 
of time 

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jul 24, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:


If you don't know what you'd use it for at all, I would probably shy 
away from paying for it.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:06:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

Is the premium account worth it?

Josh Reynolds wrote:
> I agree 100%. It is by far the best business to business and 
> professional networking tool.
>
> On Jul 24, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett"  > wrote:
>
> It's certainly more useful in business than any other social 
media.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 

> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 

> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> 

> *From: *"Jay Weekley"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:04 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
>
> Is Linkedin actually worth the time and effort to use?   
Honestly, I
> don't even know what it's for.
>
>
   

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Gotcha. I guess I should go make one too :)
I have 5 jobs...can i list them all?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 7:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin


  To contact people in the business world.  If I don’t have an email or phone 
number for someone I can almost always find them there.  Nice to keep tabs on 
acquaintances as they move from job to job too.  

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:45 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin


  What do you use it for, Chuck?

- Original Message - 
From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

I use linkedin all the time.  I never use Facebook.  

Linked in is for boys, FB is for girls.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 5:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

There are some very useful targeted usergroups there, responsive members 
tend to be pretty qualified on the specific group topic. That's the biggest 
benefit, though some of the people are real fanboy dicks on the group topic, so 
theres that.
Its got a real good resume builder if youre looking to get out of the wisp 
business.
the endorsements thing is kind of cool if youre looking for somebody to do 
some work, but anybody can endorse, so its kind of easily skewed
for whatever reason, liz creekmore is always sitting in the people you may 
know page, shes not hard on the eyes, so theres that. 
Its not like facebook where vaguely associated people should be added, I 
accept any request, but barely add anybody unless there is content I want to 
view that they post about
Its a really good place to find professionals for one off outsourced 
projects without having to go through some outsourcing companies sales glub

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

  I tried Premium for a while and didn't find it useful  I like 
LinkedIn though a lot 

  If you are job hunting then probably upgrading is worth it for a period 
of time 

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jul 24, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:


If you don't know what you'd use it for at all, I would probably shy 
away from paying for it.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:06:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

Is the premium account worth it?

Josh Reynolds wrote:
> I agree 100%. It is by far the best business to business and 
> professional networking tool.
>
> On Jul 24, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett"  > wrote:
>
> It's certainly more useful in business than any other social 
media.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 

> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 

> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> 

> *From: *"Jay Weekley"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:04 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
>
> Is Linkedin actually worth the time and effort to use?   
Honestly, I
> don't even know what it's for.
>
>
> 

 
> Virus-free. www.avg.com 
> 

 
>
>
> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[Chuck McCown]

To contact people in the business world.  If I don’t have an email or phone 
number for someone I can almost always find them there.  Nice to keep tabs on 
acquaintances as they move from job to job too.  

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin


What do you use it for, Chuck?

  - Original Message - 
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

  I use linkedin all the time.  I never use Facebook.  

  Linked in is for boys, FB is for girls.  

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 5:49 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

  There are some very useful targeted usergroups there, responsive members tend 
to be pretty qualified on the specific group topic. That's the biggest benefit, 
though some of the people are real fanboy dicks on the group topic, so theres 
that.
  Its got a real good resume builder if youre looking to get out of the wisp 
business.
  the endorsements thing is kind of cool if youre looking for somebody to do 
some work, but anybody can endorse, so its kind of easily skewed
  for whatever reason, liz creekmore is always sitting in the people you may 
know page, shes not hard on the eyes, so theres that. 
  Its not like facebook where vaguely associated people should be added, I 
accept any request, but barely add anybody unless there is content I want to 
view that they post about
  Its a really good place to find professionals for one off outsourced projects 
without having to go through some outsourcing companies sales glub

  On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

I tried Premium for a while and didn't find it useful  I like LinkedIn 
though a lot 

If you are job hunting then probably upgrading is worth it for a period of 
time 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:


  If you don't know what you'd use it for at all, I would probably shy away 
from paying for it.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Jay Weekley" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:06:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

  Is the premium account worth it?

  Josh Reynolds wrote:
  > I agree 100%. It is by far the best business to business and 
  > professional networking tool.
  >
  > On Jul 24, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett"  > wrote:
  >
  > It's certainly more useful in business than any other social media.
  >
  >
  >
  > -
  > Mike Hammett
  > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
  > 

  > Midwest Internet Exchange 
  > 

  > The Brothers WISP 
  > 
  >
  >
  > 
  > 

  > *From: *"Jay Weekley"  >
  > *To: *af@afmug.com 
  > *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:04 PM
  > *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
  >
  > Is Linkedin actually worth the time and effort to use?   Honestly, I
  > don't even know what it's for.
  >
  >
  > 

 
  > Virus-free. www.avg.com 
  > 

 
  >
  >
  > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

What do you use it for, Chuck?

  - Original Message - 
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin


  I use linkedin all the time.  I never use Facebook.  

  Linked in is for boys, FB is for girls.  

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 5:49 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

  There are some very useful targeted usergroups there, responsive members tend 
to be pretty qualified on the specific group topic. That's the biggest benefit, 
though some of the people are real fanboy dicks on the group topic, so theres 
that.
  Its got a real good resume builder if youre looking to get out of the wisp 
business.
  the endorsements thing is kind of cool if youre looking for somebody to do 
some work, but anybody can endorse, so its kind of easily skewed
  for whatever reason, liz creekmore is always sitting in the people you may 
know page, shes not hard on the eyes, so theres that. 
  Its not like facebook where vaguely associated people should be added, I 
accept any request, but barely add anybody unless there is content I want to 
view that they post about
  Its a really good place to find professionals for one off outsourced projects 
without having to go through some outsourcing companies sales glub

  On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

I tried Premium for a while and didn't find it useful  I like LinkedIn 
though a lot 

If you are job hunting then probably upgrading is worth it for a period of 
time 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:


  If you don't know what you'd use it for at all, I would probably shy away 
from paying for it.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Jay Weekley" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:06:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

  Is the premium account worth it?

  Josh Reynolds wrote:
  > I agree 100%. It is by far the best business to business and 
  > professional networking tool.
  >
  > On Jul 24, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett"  > wrote:
  >
  > It's certainly more useful in business than any other social media.
  >
  >
  >
  > -
  > Mike Hammett
  > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
  > 

  > Midwest Internet Exchange 
  > 

  > The Brothers WISP 
  > 
  >
  >
  > 
  > 

  > *From: *"Jay Weekley"  >
  > *To: *af@afmug.com 
  > *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:04 PM
  > *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
  >
  > Is Linkedin actually worth the time and effort to use?   Honestly, I
  > don't even know what it's for.
  >
  >
  > 

 
  > Virus-free. www.avg.com 
  > 

 
  >
  >
  > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Re: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

[Steve Jones]

just a basic air router, dump a script in it that changes the management
ports, drops a few firewall rules that only allows management from our
network, drops from everywhere else. disables the reset button, puts in our
password, enable/disables a few things, puts a DMZ to an IP out of the DHCP
pool. the only things we do manually is pull the MAC from the BMU in
powercode and assign it to the customer in powercode, set the ESSID, and
set the WPA key to the numbers off the manufacturer sticker (available
remotely in the GUI) set their name and tell them if they want to dick with
the wireless, they can replace the router with their own.
Now that we have serverplus going we are considering options since they'll
do the support, a passthrough cost isn't all that valuable since providing
"managed" anything adds a layer of issues and hassle (my internet is down.
Everytime I go out to the barn it goes out.. how far is your barn, and
where is the router?... the router is in the basement and the barn is on
the other side of the apple trees only about 1500 feet away)

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:48 PM, Jesse DuPont  wrote:

> We do the same as ServerPlus: ReadyNet WRT500 and AC1200M routers. Except,
> rather than charging customers on an invoice line item, we just raised our
> prices for all new customers (after May 1st) and include the WRT500 at no
> charge (AC1200M is $7 more per month). TR-069 for monitoring, but we also
> use ReadyNet's provisioning system (which is HTTP config file download) so
> even after factory reset, router will re-provision itself with customer's
> PPPoE username/pass along with SSID and pass (which we leave default).
>
> The customer can change settings as they see fit, but SSID & passphrase
> will be reset back to what we set it to within an hour. So they just have
> to call us if they want to control it or have us change it (we'll
> accommodate either).
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC
>
> Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
> On 7/24/17 3:25 PM, Harold Bledsoe wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> For those of you offering managed WiFi to your subscribers, how do you
> provision the devices?  And day 2, do you let the subscriber make changes?
>
> Thanks!
> -Hal
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Not unless you are using it to prospect or look for a job.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jul 24, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Jay Weekley  wrote:
> 
> Is the premium account worth it?
> 
> Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> I agree 100%. It is by far the best business to business and professional 
>> networking tool.
>> 
>> On Jul 24, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett" > > wrote:
>> 
>>It's certainly more useful in business than any other social media.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>-
>>Mike Hammett
>>Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>
>> 
>>Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>
>> 
>>The Brothers WISP 
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>>*From: *"Jay Weekley" >>
>>*To: *af@afmug.com 
>>*Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:04 PM
>>*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
>> 
>>Is Linkedin actually worth the time and effort to use?   Honestly, I
>>don't even know what it's for.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Virus-free. www.avg.com 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

There is an awful lot of WISP content on Facebook.  Wisp talk  Wisp pics  Wisp 
equipment  Mimosa  Cambium  UBNT  Mikrotik  Netonix ...just to name a few.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jul 24, 2017, at 7:53 PM,   wrote:
> 
> I use linkedin all the time.  I never use Facebook. 
>  
> Linked in is for boys, FB is for girls. 
>  
> From: Steve Jones
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 5:49 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
>  
> There are some very useful targeted usergroups there, responsive members tend 
> to be pretty qualified on the specific group topic. That's the biggest 
> benefit, though some of the people are real fanboy dicks on the group topic, 
> so  theres that.
> Its got a real good resume builder if youre looking to get out of the wisp 
> business.
> the endorsements thing is kind of cool if youre looking for somebody to do 
> some work, but anybody can endorse, so its kind of easily skewed
> for whatever reason, liz creekmore is always sitting in the people you may 
> know page, shes not hard on the eyes, so theres that.
> Its not like facebook where vaguely associated people should be added, I 
> accept any request, but barely add anybody unless there is content I want to 
> view that they post about
> Its a really good place to find professionals for one off outsourced projects 
> without having to go through some outsourcing companies sales glub
>  
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>> I tried Premium for a while and didn't find it useful  I like LinkedIn 
>> though a lot 
>>  
>> If you are job hunting then probably upgrading is worth it for a period of 
>> time 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you don't know what you'd use it for at all, I would probably shy away 
>>> from paying for it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "Jay Weekley" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:06:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
>>> 
>>> Is the premium account worth it?
>>> 
>>> Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>> > I agree 100%. It is by far the best business to business and 
>>> > professional networking tool.
>>> >
>>> > On Jul 24, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett" >> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > It's certainly more useful in business than any other social media.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > Mike Hammett
>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > The Brothers WISP 
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > *From: *"Jay Weekley" >> > >
>>> > *To: *af@afmug.com 
>>> > *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:04 PM
>>> > *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
>>> >
>>> > Is Linkedin actually worth the time and effort to use?   Honestly, I
>>> > don't even know what it's for.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> >  
>>> > Virus-free. www.avg.com 
>>> > 
>>> >  
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>> 
>>>  
> 
>  

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[John Seaman]

Linkedin basic (free) membership is all you need.  It is extremely useful 
especially in my line of work (sales).  And it is quickly becoming the primary 
tool to connect job seekers with hiring professionals and recruiters.  
Definitely worth your time to set up and maintain a your profile and start 
connecting with colleagues.  But the added benefit of the paid-for premium 
membership is minimal and not worth the cost.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 4:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

Is the premium account worth it?

Josh Reynolds wrote:
> I agree 100%. It is by far the best business to business and 
> professional networking tool.
>
> On Jul 24, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett"  > wrote:
>
> It's certainly more useful in business than any other social media.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
> 
>  facebook.com%2Fthebrotherswisp=02%7C01%7Cjohn.seaman%40cambiumnet
> works.com%7C07cd202ecac9441f07b708d4d2e89478%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d
> 993e76eb6%7C1%7C0%7C636365343751011021=QIuh9FNhP5UAq%2Bfgrg08wtX
> Tz45GFUs5%2Bt2CXfpeg9s%3D=0>
>
>
> 
> 
> 
> *From: *"Jay Weekley"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:04 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
>
> Is 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[chuck]

On a more serious note,  I may have a very legit reason to contact you.  

Linkedin does that.  Almost anyone in business is there and just a click away.  

And you do not have to beg to be someone’s “friend”.  Gag.

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 5:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

I use linkedin all the time.  I never use Facebook.  

Linked in is for boys, FB is for girls.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 5:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

There are some very useful targeted usergroups there, responsive members tend 
to be pretty qualified on the specific group topic. That's the biggest benefit, 
though some of the people are real fanboy dicks on the group topic, so theres 
that.
Its got a real good resume builder if youre looking to get out of the wisp 
business.
the endorsements thing is kind of cool if youre looking for somebody to do some 
work, but anybody can endorse, so its kind of easily skewed
for whatever reason, liz creekmore is always sitting in the people you may know 
page, shes not hard on the eyes, so theres that. 
Its not like facebook where vaguely associated people should be added, I accept 
any request, but barely add anybody unless there is content I want to view that 
they post about
Its a really good place to find professionals for one off outsourced projects 
without having to go through some outsourcing companies sales glub

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

  I tried Premium for a while and didn't find it useful  I like LinkedIn 
though a lot 

  If you are job hunting then probably upgrading is worth it for a period of 
time 

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jul 24, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:


If you don't know what you'd use it for at all, I would probably shy away 
from paying for it.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:06:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

Is the premium account worth it?

Josh Reynolds wrote:
> I agree 100%. It is by far the best business to business and 
> professional networking tool.
>
> On Jul 24, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett"  > wrote:
>
> It's certainly more useful in business than any other social media.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 

> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 

> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> 

> *From: *"Jay Weekley"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:04 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
>
> Is Linkedin actually worth the time and effort to use?   Honestly, I
> don't even know what it's for.
>
>
> 

 
> Virus-free. www.avg.com 
> 

 
>
>
> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[chuck]

I use linkedin all the time.  I never use Facebook.  

Linked in is for boys, FB is for girls.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 5:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

There are some very useful targeted usergroups there, responsive members tend 
to be pretty qualified on the specific group topic. That's the biggest benefit, 
though some of the people are real fanboy dicks on the group topic, so theres 
that.
Its got a real good resume builder if youre looking to get out of the wisp 
business.
the endorsements thing is kind of cool if youre looking for somebody to do some 
work, but anybody can endorse, so its kind of easily skewed
for whatever reason, liz creekmore is always sitting in the people you may know 
page, shes not hard on the eyes, so theres that. 
Its not like facebook where vaguely associated people should be added, I accept 
any request, but barely add anybody unless there is content I want to view that 
they post about
Its a really good place to find professionals for one off outsourced projects 
without having to go through some outsourcing companies sales glub

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

  I tried Premium for a while and didn't find it useful  I like LinkedIn 
though a lot 

  If you are job hunting then probably upgrading is worth it for a period of 
time 

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jul 24, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:


If you don't know what you'd use it for at all, I would probably shy away 
from paying for it.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:06:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

Is the premium account worth it?

Josh Reynolds wrote:
> I agree 100%. It is by far the best business to business and 
> professional networking tool.
>
> On Jul 24, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett"  > wrote:
>
> It's certainly more useful in business than any other social media.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 

> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 

> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> 

> *From: *"Jay Weekley"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:04 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
>
> Is Linkedin actually worth the time and effort to use?   Honestly, I
> don't even know what it's for.
>
>
> 

 
> Virus-free. www.avg.com 
> 

 
>
>
> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[Steve Jones]

There are some very useful targeted usergroups there, responsive members
tend to be pretty qualified on the specific group topic. That's the biggest
benefit, though some of the people are real fanboy dicks on the group
topic, so theres that.
Its got a real good resume builder if youre looking to get out of the wisp
business.
the endorsements thing is kind of cool if youre looking for somebody to do
some work, but anybody can endorse, so its kind of easily skewed
for whatever reason, liz creekmore is always sitting in the people you may
know page, shes not hard on the eyes, so theres that.
Its not like facebook where vaguely associated people should be added, I
accept any request, but barely add anybody unless there is content I want
to view that they post about
Its a really good place to find professionals for one off outsourced
projects without having to go through some outsourcing companies sales glub

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> I tried Premium for a while and didn't find it useful  I like LinkedIn
> though a lot 
>
> If you are job hunting then probably upgrading is worth it for a period of
> time 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 24, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> If you don't know what you'd use it for at all, I would probably shy away
> from paying for it.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jay Weekley" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:06:10 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
>
> Is the premium account worth it?
>
> Josh Reynolds wrote:
> > I agree 100%. It is by far the best business to business and
> > professional networking tool.
> >
> > On Jul 24, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett"  > >> wrote:
> >
> > It's certainly more useful in business than any other social media.
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> >  IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> > Midwest Internet Exchange 
> >  linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> twitter.com/mdwestix>
> > The Brothers WISP 
> > 
> >
> >
> > 
> > 
> 
> > *From: *"Jay Weekley"  > >>
> > *To: *af@afmug.com >
> > *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:04 PM
> > *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
> >
> > Is Linkedin actually worth the time and effort to use?   Honestly, I
> > don't even know what it's for.
> >
> >
> >  utm_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
> > Virus-free. www.avg.com
> >  utm_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
> >
> >
> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
We do the same as ServerPlus: ReadyNet WRT500 and AC1200M routers.
Except, rather than charging customers on an invoice line item, we
just raised our prices for all new customers (after May 1st) and
include the WRT500 at no charge (AC1200M is $7 more per month).
TR-069 for monitoring, but we also use ReadyNet's provisioning
system (which is HTTP config file download) so even after factory
reset, router will re-provision itself with customer's PPPoE
username/pass along with SSID and pass (which we leave default).

The customer can change settings as they see fit, but SSID &
passphrase will be reset back to what we set it to within an hour.
So they just have to call us if they want to control it or have us
change it (we'll accommodate either).


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 7/24/17 3:25 PM, Harold Bledsoe
  wrote:


  Hi folks,


For those of you offering managed WiFi to your subscribers,
  how do you provision the devices?  And day 2, do you let the
  subscriber make changes?


Thanks!
-Hal
  


  

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[Paul Stewart]

I tried Premium for a while and didn't find it useful  I like LinkedIn 
though a lot 

If you are job hunting then probably upgrading is worth it for a period of time 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> If you don't know what you'd use it for at all, I would probably shy away 
> from paying for it.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Jay Weekley" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:06:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
> 
> Is the premium account worth it?
> 
> Josh Reynolds wrote:
> > I agree 100%. It is by far the best business to business and 
> > professional networking tool.
> >
> > On Jul 24, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett"  > > wrote:
> >
> > It's certainly more useful in business than any other social media.
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> > 
> > 
> > Midwest Internet Exchange 
> > 
> > 
> > The Brothers WISP 
> > 
> >
> >
> > 
> > 
> > *From: *"Jay Weekley"  > >
> > *To: *af@afmug.com 
> > *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:04 PM
> > *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
> >
> > Is Linkedin actually worth the time and effort to use?   Honestly, I
> > don't even know what it's for.
> >
> >
> > 
> >  
> > Virus-free. www.avg.com 
> > 
> >  
> >
> >
> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[Josh Reynolds]

If you're job hunting or want to build your social media brand, yes. It may
have something for job posters too, not sure.

Beware though, it is full of poor recruiters (and good ones) and sales
people. There is legit/quality content and news however.

Anything political or religious is normally pretty quickly shut down.

On Jul 24, 2017 6:06 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> Is the premium account worth it?
>
> Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
>> I agree 100%. It is by far the best business to business and professional
>> networking tool.
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett"  af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>>
>> It's certainly more useful in business than any other social media.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> > telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> > com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From: *"Jay Weekley" > >
>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:04 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
>>
>> Is Linkedin actually worth the time and effort to use?   Honestly, I
>> don't even know what it's for.
>>
>>
>> > source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
>> Virus-free. www.avg.com > ature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-
>> email_content=emailclient>
>>
>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[Jay Weekley]

Yeah, now that I look at pricing you are right.

Mike Hammett wrote:
If you don't know what you'd use it for at all, I would probably shy 
away from paying for it.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Jay Weekley" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:06:10 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

Is the premium account worth it?

Josh Reynolds wrote:
> I agree 100%. It is by far the best business to business and
> professional networking tool.
>
> On Jul 24, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett"  > wrote:
>
> It's certainly more useful in business than any other social media.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 


> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 


> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> 
> *From: *"Jay Weekley"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:04 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
>
> Is Linkedin actually worth the time and effort to use?   Honestly, I
> don't even know what it's for.
>
>
> 
 


> Virus-free. www.avg.com
> 
 


>
>
> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[Mike Hammett]

If you don't know what you'd use it for at all, I would probably shy away from 
paying for it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jay Weekley"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:06:10 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin 

Is the premium account worth it? 

Josh Reynolds wrote: 
> I agree 100%. It is by far the best business to business and 
> professional networking tool. 
> 
> On Jul 24, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett"  > wrote: 
> 
> It's certainly more useful in business than any other social media. 
> 
> 
> 
> - 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions  
> 
>  
> Midwest Internet Exchange  
> 
>  
> The Brothers WISP  
>  
> 
> 
>  
>  
> *From: *"Jay Weekley"  > 
> *To: *af@afmug.com  
> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:04 PM 
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Linkedin 
> 
> Is Linkedin actually worth the time and effort to use? Honestly, I 
> don't even know what it's for. 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Virus-free. www.avg.com 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[Jay Weekley]

Is the premium account worth it?

Josh Reynolds wrote:
I agree 100%. It is by far the best business to business and 
professional networking tool.


On Jul 24, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett" > wrote:


It's certainly more useful in business than any other social media.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Jay Weekley" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:04 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

Is Linkedin actually worth the time and effort to use?   Honestly, I
don't even know what it's for.


 
	Virus-free. www.avg.com 
 



<#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[Josh Reynolds]

Use it to connect with other businesses in your area. See what they are up
to. Get your business name out there. Etc.

On Jul 24, 2017 6:04 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> I decided to finish setting up my profile but as I was working I started
> wondering what I was actually going to do with the account when I was done.
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>> It's certainly more useful in business than any other social media.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> > telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> > com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>> *From: *"Jay Weekley" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:04 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
>>
>> Is Linkedin actually worth the time and effort to use? Honestly, I
>> don't even know what it's for.
>>
>>
>> > source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
>> Virus-free. www.avg.com > ature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-
>> email_content=emailclient>
>>
>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[Jay Weekley]

I decided to finish setting up my profile but as I was working I started 
wondering what I was actually going to do with the account when I was done.


Mike Hammett wrote:

It's certainly more useful in business than any other social media.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Jay Weekley" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:04 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

Is Linkedin actually worth the time and effort to use? Honestly, I
don't even know what it's for.


 
	Virus-free. www.avg.com 
 



<#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[Josh Reynolds]

I agree 100%. It is by far the best business to business and professional
networking tool.

On Jul 24, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> It's certainly more useful in business than any other social media.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jay Weekley" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:04 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
>
> Is Linkedin actually worth the time and effort to use?   Honestly, I
> don't even know what it's for.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Carrier 2 - isolated at top AND bottom

[Jaime Solorza]

Paul...I am a great believer in isolation of gear from towers which are
prone to strikes.  Follow what the carrier with proven track record method
as close as you can.  500 ft. tower in Florida is basically a lightning
attractor.

Jaime Solorza

On Jul 24, 2017 12:34 PM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[Mike Hammett]

It's certainly more useful in business than any other social media. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jay Weekley"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:04 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin 

Is Linkedin actually worth the time and effort to use? Honestly, I 
don't even know what it's for. 

[AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[Jay Weekley]

Is Linkedin actually worth the time and effort to use?   Honestly, I 
don't even know what it's for.

Re: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

[Layne Sisk]

Yes, using Readynet

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
[New logo xl]
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 4:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

With tr069?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 24, 2017 5:50 PM, "Layne Sisk" 
> wrote:
Our managed router solution gives us access to control the device remotely, 
including resetting and changing SSID and PW.  If they screw it up we can 
almost always fix it because even if they factory reset it comes back to the 
server to get it’s configuration.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
[New logo xl]
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:25 PM
To: af >
Subject: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

Hi folks,

For those of you offering managed WiFi to your subscribers, how do you 
provision the devices?  And day 2, do you let the subscriber make changes?

Thanks!
-Hal

Re: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

[Josh Luthman]

With tr069?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 24, 2017 5:50 PM, "Layne Sisk"  wrote:

> Our managed router solution gives us access to control the device
> remotely, including resetting and changing SSID and PW.  If they screw it
> up we can almost always fix it because even if they factory reset it comes
> back to the server to get it’s configuration.
>
>
>
> Layne Sisk
>
> ServerPlus
>
> 801.426.8283, ext 102
>
> [image: New logo xl] 
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
> 
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
> 
>
> [image: Utah 100]   [image: fast50-01][image: Inc 5000]
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 3:25 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question
>
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
>
>
> For those of you offering managed WiFi to your subscribers, how do you
> provision the devices?  And day 2, do you let the subscriber make changes?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Hal
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

[Faisal Imtiaz]

The setup makes a lot of sense 

The reason why Ground Bars are isolated from the tower is because if there is a 
direct strike to the tower, the tower should ground that strike. and the Ground 
Bar should not provide a better path for lighting to go down bus bars... 
however if there is any kind of static buildup, that should drain via the 
Copper Bus bars and the higher quality (lower resistance) ground (bus bars with 
the welded connections). 

The Bus bars are providing a 'high quality' low resistance ground for the 
equipment / cables etc. 

One should keep in mind that in this setup the actual radios (considering the 
long coax runs) are installed below, and the Coax cables are most likely to 
have gas tube protectors on them.. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Paul McCall" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 4:56:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

> I was told they are isolated by the climber, using the red rubber isolators.
> However, not ALL of the carriers do that. The subcontract from the cellular
> company we are using said that also some of the tennis have harden plastic (or
> similar material) at the bracket attachment point, thus isolating also.

> For what its worth…

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 4:39 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

> The grounding bus bars are isolated but I doubt the gear at the top is, the
> antennas and RRUs are bracketed to the tower…

> From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Paul McCall < pa...@pdmnet.net 
> >
> Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
> Date: Monday, July 24, 2017 at 2:29 PM
> To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

> Well, somehow this cellular guys survive these direct tower hits. Tower # 1 
> from
> the weekend is a 500’ tower that we are at 410 feet on. Two cellular providers
> right below us and a FM station and Lojack above us, and we were the only ones
> hit. Cellular guys have isolated ground bars at the top that are connected to
> the outside shield on their large coax cables, with a “wrap kit”. At the 
> bottom
> of the tower, they have another isolated ground bar and attached the same kits
> to get the ground to the ground bar, then have their own grounds. MOST are
> doing it that way. I will send pictures of 2 different carriers on the same
> tower doing it differently.

> Tower #2, is a 130ft water tower with Verizon. They are at the top of the 
> tower,
> have the same exact type setup.

> This picture is from a 3 rd tower (bottom) that I took pictures … same thing.

> We do have fiber and 48vdc to the top and 48vd protectors (Polyphaser) at the
> top at both these towers. Everything blew, including the polyphaser that is
> grounded to the tower itself (on both towers). Obviously, that isn’t working 
> :)

> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:42 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

> Nothing stops a direct hit. It will blow up everything that gets in its way.

> You are probably seeing induced surges from nearby strikes.

> Fiber to the top. Surge suppressors on the DC conductors.

> Gino A. Villarini

> President

> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

> From: Paul McCall

> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:20 AM

> To: af@afmug.com

> Subject: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

> We have two 500ft towers that get hit a bunch, and a water tank that gets the
> same treatment from mother nature.

> Anybody doing full isolation of all their antennas, equipment etc. at the top 
> of
> the tower and then running your own ground down the tower?

>1. Wondering what materials people are using to isolate their mounts? What 
> is
>sufficient? Would the rubber from a thick radiator hose be enough to keep 
> the
> lightning from coming through? Double thicknesses?

> One consultant recommended starboard, but I am not sure how I will craft that
> into a work piece that would mold around a tower leg and be able to grip it.

>1. What size wire should be going down the tower to bond to my tower /
> electrical ground?

> I am assuming it should be insulated but is normal THHN jacketing enough to 
> have
> it truly isolate from something jumping over or does it have be in conduit.

> Paul

> Paul McCall, President

> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

> 658 Old Dixie Highway

> Vero Beach, FL 32962

> 772-564-6800

> pa...@pdmnet.net

> www.pdmnet.com

> www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

We do managed WiFi via UniFi.  We create a UniFi site and give them access to 
change their settings.  We retain admin permissions.


Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 4:25 PM
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

Hi folks,

For those of you offering managed WiFi to your subscribers, how do you 
provision the devices?  And day 2, do you let the subscriber make changes?

Thanks!
-Hal

Re: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

[Layne Sisk]

We do support for a number of ISPs using Calix, I can give it an endorsement as 
well.  Makes everyone’s lives easier.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
[New logo xl]
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 4:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

We do it only on the Calix 844 router.

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

We did this with unifi and offered managed wifi and managed router service.

If they want to control it themselves then they can do it... If not, pay us to 
deal with it.

We sold about 40% of our customers at the time on it, and weren't even really 
pushing it. Businesses on the other hand we're almost 100%.

On Jul 24, 2017 4:55 PM, "Harold Bledsoe" 
> wrote:
Thanks Layne and that's the kind of WiFi I mean.  Managed WiFi is kind of a 
vague proposition.  I'm asking about this kind - where you charge $x/mo more 
and handle it for the sub.

How did it get managed in the first place and how did it get associated with a 
particular ISP and end-user subscriber?

My 2 cents - ISPs need a competitive WiFi solution that rivals Eero, Luma, 
Google WiFi, etc. so that they can make money on that vs. letting someone else 
make money on that.  Then how to minimize the friction of provisioning, 
installing it.  I just got Cox and the Panorama WiFi thing is pretty painful 
for example.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 4:50 PM Layne Sisk 
> wrote:
Our managed router solution gives us access to control the device remotely, 
including resetting and changing SSID and PW.  If they screw it up we can 
almost always fix it because even if they factory reset it comes back to the 
server to get it’s configuration.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102

[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
   
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:25 PM
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question
 
Hi folks,
 
For those of you offering managed WiFi to your subscribers, how do you 
provision the devices?  And day 2, do you let the subscriber make 
changes?
 
Thanks!
-Hal

Re: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

[Layne Sisk]

We use a Readynet router that we provide to the ISP, and we charge $10 per 
month for the router (usually passed through to the end user).  That $10 pays 
for the router with a lifetime warranty, and it pays for all end users support. 
 We send the routers configured to report back in to the management server, so 
when the customer plugs it in, it pulls configs from the server for that ISP 
and we have access to it.  We have several hundred end users using it now, and 
it they love it and it makes troubleshooting s much easier!

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
[New logo xl]
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

Thanks Layne and that's the kind of WiFi I mean.  Managed WiFi is kind of a 
vague proposition.  I'm asking about this kind - where you charge $x/mo more 
and handle it for the sub.

How did it get managed in the first place and how did it get associated with a 
particular ISP and end-user subscriber?

My 2 cents - ISPs need a competitive WiFi solution that rivals Eero, Luma, 
Google WiFi, etc. so that they can make money on that vs. letting someone else 
make money on that.  Then how to minimize the friction of provisioning, 
installing it.  I just got Cox and the Panorama WiFi thing is pretty painful 
for example.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 4:50 PM Layne Sisk 
> wrote:
Our managed router solution gives us access to control the device remotely, 
including resetting and changing SSID and PW.  If they screw it up we can 
almost always fix it because even if they factory reset it comes back to the 
server to get it’s configuration.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
[New logo xl]
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:25 PM
To: af >
Subject: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

Hi folks,

For those of you offering managed WiFi to your subscribers, how do you 
provision the devices?  And day 2, do you let the subscriber make changes?

Thanks!
-Hal

Re: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

[chuck]

We do it only on the Calix 844 router.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

We did this with unifi and offered managed wifi and managed router service. 

If they want to control it themselves then they can do it... If not, pay us to 
deal with it.

We sold about 40% of our customers at the time on it, and weren't even really 
pushing it. Businesses on the other hand we're almost 100%.

On Jul 24, 2017 4:55 PM, "Harold Bledsoe"  wrote:

  Thanks Layne and that's the kind of WiFi I mean.  Managed WiFi is kind of a 
vague proposition.  I'm asking about this kind - where you charge $x/mo more 
and handle it for the sub. 

  How did it get managed in the first place and how did it get associated with 
a particular ISP and end-user subscriber?

  My 2 cents - ISPs need a competitive WiFi solution that rivals Eero, Luma, 
Google WiFi, etc. so that they can make money on that vs. letting someone else 
make money on that.  Then how to minimize the friction of provisioning, 
installing it.  I just got Cox and the Panorama WiFi thing is pretty painful 
for example.

  On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 4:50 PM Layne Sisk  wrote:

Our managed router solution gives us access to control the device remotely, 
including resetting and changing SSID and PW.  If they screw it up we can 
almost always fix it because even if they factory reset it comes back to the 
server to get it’s configuration.  



Layne Sisk

ServerPlus

801.426.8283, ext 102









   



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:25 PM
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question



Hi folks,



For those of you offering managed WiFi to your subscribers, how do you 
provision the devices?  And day 2, do you let the subscriber make changes?



Thanks!

-Hal

Re: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

[Josh Reynolds]

We did this with unifi and offered managed wifi and managed router service.

If they want to control it themselves then they can do it... If not, pay us
to deal with it.

We sold about 40% of our customers at the time on it, and weren't even
really pushing it. Businesses on the other hand we're almost 100%.

On Jul 24, 2017 4:55 PM, "Harold Bledsoe"  wrote:

> Thanks Layne and that's the kind of WiFi I mean.  Managed WiFi is kind of
> a vague proposition.  I'm asking about this kind - where you charge $x/mo
> more and handle it for the sub.
>
> How did it get managed in the first place and how did it get associated
> with a particular ISP and end-user subscriber?
>
> My 2 cents - ISPs need a competitive WiFi solution that rivals Eero, Luma,
> Google WiFi, etc. so that they can make money on that vs. letting someone
> else make money on that.  Then how to minimize the friction of
> provisioning, installing it.  I just got Cox and the Panorama WiFi thing is
> pretty painful for example.
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 4:50 PM Layne Sisk  wrote:
>
>> Our managed router solution gives us access to control the device
>> remotely, including resetting and changing SSID and PW.  If they screw it
>> up we can almost always fix it because even if they factory reset it comes
>> back to the server to get it’s configuration.
>>
>>
>>
>> Layne Sisk
>>
>> ServerPlus
>>
>> 801.426.8283, ext 102
>>
>> [image: New logo xl] 
>>
>> [image: http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
>>
>> [image: http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
>> 
>>
>> [image: http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
>> 
>>
>> [image: Utah 100]   [image: fast50-01][image: Inc 5000]
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 3:25 PM
>> *To:* af 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>>
>>
>> For those of you offering managed WiFi to your subscribers, how do you
>> provision the devices?  And day 2, do you let the subscriber make changes?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -Hal
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

[Harold Bledsoe]

Thanks Layne and that's the kind of WiFi I mean.  Managed WiFi is kind of a
vague proposition.  I'm asking about this kind - where you charge $x/mo
more and handle it for the sub.

How did it get managed in the first place and how did it get associated
with a particular ISP and end-user subscriber?

My 2 cents - ISPs need a competitive WiFi solution that rivals Eero, Luma,
Google WiFi, etc. so that they can make money on that vs. letting someone
else make money on that.  Then how to minimize the friction of
provisioning, installing it.  I just got Cox and the Panorama WiFi thing is
pretty painful for example.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 4:50 PM Layne Sisk  wrote:

> Our managed router solution gives us access to control the device
> remotely, including resetting and changing SSID and PW.  If they screw it
> up we can almost always fix it because even if they factory reset it comes
> back to the server to get it’s configuration.
>
>
>
> Layne Sisk
>
> ServerPlus
>
> 801.426.8283, ext 102
>
> [image: New logo xl] 
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
> 
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
> 
>
> [image: Utah 100]   [image: fast50-01][image: Inc 5000]
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 3:25 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question
>
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
>
>
> For those of you offering managed WiFi to your subscribers, how do you
> provision the devices?  And day 2, do you let the subscriber make changes?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Hal
>

Re: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

[Layne Sisk]

Our managed router solution gives us access to control the device remotely, 
including resetting and changing SSID and PW.  If they screw it up we can 
almost always fix it because even if they factory reset it comes back to the 
server to get it’s configuration.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
[New logo xl]
[http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
[http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:25 PM
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

Hi folks,

For those of you offering managed WiFi to your subscribers, how do you 
provision the devices?  And day 2, do you let the subscriber make changes?

Thanks!
-Hal

[AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

[Harold Bledsoe]

Hi folks,

For those of you offering managed WiFi to your subscribers, how do you
provision the devices?  And day 2, do you let the subscriber make changes?

Thanks!
-Hal

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

[chuck]

Whatever is proven to work is the thing to do.  I imagine all grounds come to a 
common point at the base.  

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 2:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

I was told they are isolated  by the climber, using the red rubber isolators. 
However, not ALL of the carriers do that.  The subcontract from the cellular 
company we are using said that also some of the tennis have harden plastic (or 
similar material) at the bracket attachment point, thus isolating also.

 

For what its worth…  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 4:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

 

The grounding bus bars are isolated but I doubt the gear at the top is, the 
antennas and RRUs are bracketed to the tower… 

 

From: Af  on behalf of Paul McCall 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Monday, July 24, 2017 at 2:29 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

 

Well, somehow this cellular guys survive these direct tower hits.  Tower # 1 
from the weekend is a 500’ tower that we are at 410 feet on.  Two cellular 
providers right below us and a FM station and Lojack above us, and we were the 
only ones hit.  Cellular guys have isolated ground bars at the top that are 
connected to the outside shield on their large coax cables, with a “wrap kit”.  
At the bottom of the tower, they have another isolated ground bar and attached 
the same kits to get the ground to the ground bar, then have their own grounds. 
 MOST are doing it that way.  I will send pictures of 2 different carriers on 
the same tower doing it differently.

 

Tower #2, is a 130ft water tower with Verizon.  They are at the top of the 
tower, have the same exact type setup.

 

This picture is from a 3rd tower (bottom) that I took pictures … same thing.

 

We do have fiber and 48vdc to the top and 48vd protectors (Polyphaser) at the 
top at both these towers.  Everything blew, including the polyphaser that is 
grounded to the tower itself (on both towers).  Obviously, that isn’t working :)

 

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

 

Nothing stops a direct hit.  It will blow up everything that gets in its way.  

You are probably seeing induced surges from nearby strikes.  

 

Fiber to the top.  Surge suppressors on the DC conductors.  

 

   

  Gino A. Villarini
 
  President
 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
 



From: Paul McCall 

Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:20 AM

To:af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

 

We have two 500ft towers that get hit a bunch, and a water tank that gets the 
same treatment from mother nature.  

 

Anybody doing full isolation of all their antennas, equipment etc. at the top 
of the tower and then running your own ground down the tower?

 

  1.. Wondering what materials people are using to isolate their mounts?  What 
is sufficient?  Would the rubber from a thick radiator hose be enough to keep 
the lightning from coming through?  Double thicknesses? 
 

One consultant recommended starboard, but I am not sure how I will craft that 
into a work piece that would mold around a tower leg and be able to grip it.

 

  2.. What size wire should be going down the tower to bond to my tower / 
electrical ground?   
I am assuming it should be insulated but is normal THHN jacketing enough to 
have it truly isolate from something jumping over or does it have be in 
conduit.  

 

Paul

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

[Jason McKemie]

Where? They've gone up a pretty significant amount from what I've seen.

On Monday, July 24, 2017, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

> We see this pricing with SIAE Alfoplus (last gen radio). 1024QAM 450 Mbps
> FDX including Antenna.
>
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: Mathew Howard  >
> Datum: 24.07.17 22:45 (GMT+01:00)
> An: af >
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

[Stefan Englhardt]

We see this pricing with SIAE Alfoplus (last gen radio). 1024QAM 450 Mbps FDX 
including Antenna.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Mathew Howard  
Datum: 24.07.17  22:45  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af  
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options? 

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

[Paul McCall]

I was told they are isolated  by the climber, using the red rubber isolators. 
However, not ALL of the carriers do that.  The subcontract from the cellular 
company we are using said that also some of the tennis have harden plastic (or 
similar material) at the bracket attachment point, thus isolating also.

For what its worth...

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 4:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

The grounding bus bars are isolated but I doubt the gear at the top is, the 
antennas and RRUs are bracketed to the tower...

From: Af > on behalf of Paul 
McCall >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Monday, July 24, 2017 at 2:29 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

Well, somehow this cellular guys survive these direct tower hits.  Tower # 1 
from the weekend is a 500' tower that we are at 410 feet on.  Two cellular 
providers right below us and a FM station and Lojack above us, and we were the 
only ones hit.  Cellular guys have isolated ground bars at the top that are 
connected to the outside shield on their large coax cables, with a "wrap kit".  
At the bottom of the tower, they have another isolated ground bar and attached 
the same kits to get the ground to the ground bar, then have their own grounds. 
 MOST are doing it that way.  I will send pictures of 2 different carriers on 
the same tower doing it differently.

Tower #2, is a 130ft water tower with Verizon.  They are at the top of the 
tower, have the same exact type setup.

This picture is from a 3rd tower (bottom) that I took pictures ... same thing.

We do have fiber and 48vdc to the top and 48vd protectors (Polyphaser) at the 
top at both these towers.  Everything blew, including the polyphaser that is 
grounded to the tower itself (on both towers).  Obviously, that isn't working :)




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

Nothing stops a direct hit.  It will blow up everything that gets in its way.
You are probably seeing induced surges from nearby strikes.

Fiber to the top.  Surge suppressors on the DC conductors.




Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:image001.png@01D3049D.BB288D90]
From: Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:20 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

We have two 500ft towers that get hit a bunch, and a water tank that gets the 
same treatment from mother nature.

Anybody doing full isolation of all their antennas, equipment etc. at the top 
of the tower and then running your own ground down the tower?


  1.  Wondering what materials people are using to isolate their mounts?  What 
is sufficient?  Would the rubber from a thick radiator hose be enough to keep 
the lightning from coming through?  Double thicknesses?

One consultant recommended starboard, but I am not sure how I will craft that 
into a work piece that would mold around a tower leg and be able to grip it.


  1.  What size wire should be going down the tower to bond to my tower / 
electrical ground?

I am assuming it should be insulated but is normal THHN jacketing enough to 
have it truly isolate from something jumping over or does it have be in conduit.


Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

[Mathew Howard]

Under $4k for a complete licensed link? what kind of capacity are we
talking about for that price?

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Stephen Patrick <
stephen.patr...@cablefree.co.uk> wrote:

> The Table is great - but under CableFree no specific product shown, and
> the price for that shown (10Gbps) is no longer current.
> CableFree have 100's of options for links.  Start at under USD 4k a link
> for complete licensed links.
> Might be good to include a wide ranger in the sheet, or simply put a range
> "4k to 20k, depends on options"
>
> The sheet is a great idea, just needs some refining!
>
> Best regards
> Stephen
>
> On 24 July 2017 at 18:43, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> It's a stickied post on the TBW FB page:
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rxpeVcx-98ZsU_Fc12Ax
>> VaBOp3I6MgDatccQjjI63-Y/edit?usp=drivesdk
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 12:42:24 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?
>>
>> Like to see a matrix of prices and throughputs.
>>
>> *From:* Stephen Patrick
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 11:24 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?
>>
>> I'm told that we're competitive!
>>
>> Welcome to drop a mail to discuss
>> sa...@cablefree.net
>>
>> Comments & questions welcome -
>> Best regards
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>> On 24 July 2017 at 13:52, Jon Langeler  wrote:
>>
>>> Pricing is same or lower than everyone else?
>>>
>>> Jon Langeler
>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:30 AM, Stephen Patrick <
>>> stephen.patr...@cablefree.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> CableFree HCR supports full XPIC in 6GHz (includes L and U bands)
>>> 1024QAM modulation.
>>>
>>> www.cablefree.net/hcr
>>>
>>> I hope that helps,
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 21 July 2017 at 21:04,  wrote:
>>>
 What is the total throughput and price of these?

 *From:* Gino A. Villarini
 *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 2:02 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

 SIAE Also Plus 2
 Ceragon / Cambium IP20/820

 Anything im missing?



 *Gino A. Villarini*
 President
 Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

 

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

[Gino A. Villarini]

The grounding bus bars are isolated but I doubt the gear at the top is, the 
antennas and RRUs are bracketed to the tower…

From: Af > on behalf of Paul 
McCall >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Monday, July 24, 2017 at 2:29 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

Well, somehow this cellular guys survive these direct tower hits.  Tower # 1 
from the weekend is a 500’ tower that we are at 410 feet on.  Two cellular 
providers right below us and a FM station and Lojack above us, and we were the 
only ones hit.  Cellular guys have isolated ground bars at the top that are 
connected to the outside shield on their large coax cables, with a “wrap kit”.  
At the bottom of the tower, they have another isolated ground bar and attached 
the same kits to get the ground to the ground bar, then have their own grounds. 
 MOST are doing it that way.  I will send pictures of 2 different carriers on 
the same tower doing it differently.

Tower #2, is a 130ft water tower with Verizon.  They are at the top of the 
tower, have the same exact type setup.

This picture is from a 3rd tower (bottom) that I took pictures … same thing.

We do have fiber and 48vdc to the top and 48vd protectors (Polyphaser) at the 
top at both these towers.  Everything blew, including the polyphaser that is 
grounded to the tower itself (on both towers).  Obviously, that isn’t working :)




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

Nothing stops a direct hit.  It will blow up everything that gets in its way.
You are probably seeing induced surges from nearby strikes.

Fiber to the top.  Surge suppressors on the DC conductors.




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:20 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

We have two 500ft towers that get hit a bunch, and a water tank that gets the 
same treatment from mother nature.

Anybody doing full isolation of all their antennas, equipment etc. at the top 
of the tower and then running your own ground down the tower?


  1.  Wondering what materials people are using to isolate their mounts?  What 
is sufficient?  Would the rubber from a thick radiator hose be enough to keep 
the lightning from coming through?  Double thicknesses?

One consultant recommended starboard, but I am not sure how I will craft that 
into a work piece that would mold around a tower leg and be able to grip it.


  1.  What size wire should be going down the tower to bond to my tower / 
electrical ground?

I am assuming it should be insulated but is normal THHN jacketing enough to 
have it truly isolate from something jumping over or does it have be in conduit.


Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] linux help

[Steve Jones]

I had to use gparted on our production powercode system in a pinch the
first time. Had no clue what to expect, but it turned out to be really easy
to use. In retrospect I should have spun up a test machine first

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Dev  wrote:

> Gparted is nice, LVM is handy, but trying them for the first time on a
> production system could definitely make a person uneasy. It is wise to get
> someone who’s done this sort of thing before and knows the gotcha’s if
> you’re unfamiliar, cheap insurance really. If you can’t, you can study up
> and give it a shot, but just be very careful, and document your steps, as
> playing with partitions can make your data disappear if you don’t do it
> right.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

[Paul McCall]

I guess that is what they are thinking

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

So theyre protecting themselves from a strike to the tower coming right into 
their gear on its way to ground with an airgap? The induced voltage that does 
get on the transmission lines will just shunt to ground via their isolated 
ground?

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
In this case, I don’t own either tower, so doubtful I could convince them to 
put a 8’ rod at the top.

Do you Cambium antennas (ePMP 5 ghz  / 2.4 ghz) require a ground plane?

Paul


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

On 1. it will be really difficult to completely isolate a piece of equipment 
unless it is designed to float but good luck. If you are truly going to isolate 
everything from ground then you won't need to worry about #2 as all will float. 
You should check that the antenna you are using don't require a ground plane.
On 2. I Cadweld a 2/0 jacketed to an 8' rod at the top of the tower, not 
isolated. I then bond (15 ton Hydraulic Crimp) it to a bus bar 5' below the top 
for equipment grounds. Anywhere else there is a cluster of equipment I also put 
a bus bar. I then take that 2/0 to the bottom to the last bus bar and then into 
the ground ring.


  1.  Wondering what materials people are using to isolate their mounts?  What 
is sufficient?  Would the rubber from a thick radiator hose be enough to keep 
the lightning from coming through?  Double thicknesses?

One consultant recommended starboard, but I am not sure how I will craft that 
into a work piece that would mold around a tower leg and be able to grip it.


  1.  What size wire should be going down the tower to bond to my tower / 
electrical ground?

I am assuming it should be insulated but is normal THHN jacketing enough to 
have it truly isolate from something jumping over or does it have be in conduit.


Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] linux help

[Dev]

Gparted is nice, LVM is handy, but trying them for the first time on a 
production system could definitely make a person uneasy. It is wise to get 
someone who’s done this sort of thing before and knows the gotcha’s if you’re 
unfamiliar, cheap insurance really. If you can’t, you can study up and give it 
a shot, but just be very careful, and document your steps, as playing with 
partitions can make your data disappear if you don’t do it right.

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

[Steve Jones]

So theyre protecting themselves from a strike to the tower coming right
into their gear on its way to ground with an airgap? The induced voltage
that does get on the transmission lines will just shunt to ground via their
isolated ground?

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> In this case, I don’t own either tower, so doubtful I could convince them
> to put a 8’ rod at the top.
>
>
>
> Do you Cambium antennas (ePMP 5 ghz  / 2.4 ghz) require a ground plane?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 1:47 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion
>
>
>
> On 1. it will be really difficult to completely isolate a piece of
> equipment unless it is designed to float but good luck. If you are truly
> going to isolate everything from ground then you won't need to worry about
> #2 as all will float. You should check that the antenna you are using don't
> require a ground plane.
>
> On 2. I Cadweld a 2/0 jacketed to an 8' rod at the top of the tower, not
> isolated. I then bond (15 ton Hydraulic Crimp) it to a bus bar 5' below the
> top for equipment grounds. Anywhere else there is a cluster of equipment I
> also put a bus bar. I then take that 2/0 to the bottom to the last bus bar
> and then into the ground ring.
>
>
>
>1. *Wondering what materials people are using to isolate their mounts?*
>What is sufficient?  Would the rubber from a thick radiator hose be enough
>to keep the lightning from coming through?  Double thicknesses?
>
>
>
> One consultant recommended starboard, but I am not sure how I will craft
> that into a work piece that would mold around a tower leg and be able to
> grip it.
>
>
>
>1. *What size wire should be going down the tower to bond to my tower
>/ electrical ground?   *
>
> I am assuming it should be insulated but is normal THHN jacketing enough
> to have it truly isolate from something jumping over or does it have be in
> conduit.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Grounding - carrier 1 pictures

[Paul McCall]

Well, the pictures are what the cell guys do at the bottom.  In both cases, at 
the top the cell guys ground to an isolated bus bar.

In our case, at the top, we ground to a bus bar (not isolated).  So the center 
lug on the ePMP gets a 6 awg cable attached to it run to our bus bar (all at 
the top).  Or EP-S16 also gets a 6awg cable running from its ground lug to the 
ground bar.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Grounding - carrier 1 pictures

How are the APs grounded?  Just like in the pictures, between the cat5 and 
ground bar?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Our Cat5 is all tower top. Fiber to the EP-S16 then short runs to the APs 
(always less than 15 feet).  Since the APs are grounded to a bus bar (currently 
attached to the tower – not isolated).  We ground the shield and drain wire at 
the AP end

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Grounding - carrier 1 pictures

Are you stripping the cat5 jacket and grounding the shielding like them?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Note that this first carrier is directly tied at the bottom of the tower (and 
isolated from the tower at the top)



Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Grounding - carrier 1 pictures

[Josh Luthman]

How are the APs grounded?  Just like in the pictures, between the cat5 and
ground bar?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Our Cat5 is all tower top. Fiber to the EP-S16 then short runs to the APs
> (always less than 15 feet).  Since the APs are grounded to a bus bar
> (currently attached to the tower – not isolated).  We ground the shield and
> drain wire at the AP end
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 2:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower Grounding - carrier 1 pictures
>
>
>
> Are you stripping the cat5 jacket and grounding the shielding like them?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Note that this first carrier is directly tied at the bottom of the tower
> (and isolated from the tower at the top)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Roomba

[Steve Jones]

lol, one, and she would never tolerate a man like me, her husband will know
his place and run the vacuum when he gets done with laundry and dishes

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:45 AM,  wrote:

> Steve,  do you have daughters?
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 3:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Roomba
>
> Lmao, twice for christmases ive bought the home broad vacuum cleaners.
> Granted we are 12 years in without a marriage, but she was happier than a
> pig in shit. And the last one was cheaper than the first, it was a shark, i
> was pretty impressed with it, was gonna get a dyson ball, nut everybody
> said theyre a) bark and no nite. I actually vacuum now and then with this
> bad boy.
> Women have an inherent need to justify their place. But, they also jeed
> expensive jewelry in exchange
>
> On Jul 23, 2017 8:47 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
>> waitisn't buying your wife a vacuum cleaner one of the automatic
>> no-no's ?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 7/22/2017 11:05:44 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Roomba
>>
>>
>> Got my wife a Roomba for Mother’s day.  The first one only worked for 20
>> minutes before going on the fritz.
>>
>> Been watching the replacement do its thing.  Seems pretty smart.
>>
>> However it did ship with software that was about a year old.  It is
>> supposed to automatically update itself.
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Grounding - carrier 1 pictures

[Paul McCall]

Our Cat5 is all tower top. Fiber to the EP-S16 then short runs to the APs 
(always less than 15 feet).  Since the APs are grounded to a bus bar (currently 
attached to the tower – not isolated).  We ground the shield and drain wire at 
the AP end

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Grounding - carrier 1 pictures

Are you stripping the cat5 jacket and grounding the shielding like them?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Note that this first carrier is directly tied at the bottom of the tower (and 
isolated from the tower at the top)



Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

[Paul McCall]

In this case, I don’t own either tower, so doubtful I could convince them to 
put a 8’ rod at the top.

Do you Cambium antennas (ePMP 5 ghz  / 2.4 ghz) require a ground plane?

Paul


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

On 1. it will be really difficult to completely isolate a piece of equipment 
unless it is designed to float but good luck. If you are truly going to isolate 
everything from ground then you won't need to worry about #2 as all will float. 
You should check that the antenna you are using don't require a ground plane.
On 2. I Cadweld a 2/0 jacketed to an 8' rod at the top of the tower, not 
isolated. I then bond (15 ton Hydraulic Crimp) it to a bus bar 5' below the top 
for equipment grounds. Anywhere else there is a cluster of equipment I also put 
a bus bar. I then take that 2/0 to the bottom to the last bus bar and then into 
the ground ring.


  1.  Wondering what materials people are using to isolate their mounts?  What 
is sufficient?  Would the rubber from a thick radiator hose be enough to keep 
the lightning from coming through?  Double thicknesses?

One consultant recommended starboard, but I am not sure how I will craft that 
into a work piece that would mold around a tower leg and be able to grip it.


  1.  What size wire should be going down the tower to bond to my tower / 
electrical ground?

I am assuming it should be insulated but is normal THHN jacketing enough to 
have it truly isolate from something jumping over or does it have be in conduit.


Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Grounding - carrier 1 pictures

[Josh Luthman]

Are you stripping the cat5 jacket and grounding the shielding like them?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Note that this first carrier is directly tied at the bottom of the tower
> (and isolated from the tower at the top)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

[Paul McCall]

Well, somehow this cellular guys survive these direct tower hits.  Tower # 1 
from the weekend is a 500' tower that we are at 410 feet on.  Two cellular 
providers right below us and a FM station and Lojack above us, and we were the 
only ones hit.  Cellular guys have isolated ground bars at the top that are 
connected to the outside shield on their large coax cables, with a "wrap kit".  
At the bottom of the tower, they have another isolated ground bar and attached 
the same kits to get the ground to the ground bar, then have their own grounds. 
 MOST are doing it that way.  I will send pictures of 2 different carriers on 
the same tower doing it differently.

Tower #2, is a 130ft water tower with Verizon.  They are at the top of the 
tower, have the same exact type setup.

This picture is from a 3rd tower (bottom) that I took pictures ... same thing.

We do have fiber and 48vdc to the top and 48vd protectors (Polyphaser) at the 
top at both these towers.  Everything blew, including the polyphaser that is 
grounded to the tower itself (on both towers).  Obviously, that isn't working :)




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

Nothing stops a direct hit.  It will blow up everything that gets in its way.
You are probably seeing induced surges from nearby strikes.

Fiber to the top.  Surge suppressors on the DC conductors.

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

We have two 500ft towers that get hit a bunch, and a water tank that gets the 
same treatment from mother nature.

Anybody doing full isolation of all their antennas, equipment etc. at the top 
of the tower and then running your own ground down the tower?


  1.  Wondering what materials people are using to isolate their mounts?  What 
is sufficient?  Would the rubber from a thick radiator hose be enough to keep 
the lightning from coming through?  Double thicknesses?

One consultant recommended starboard, but I am not sure how I will craft that 
into a work piece that would mold around a tower leg and be able to grip it.


  1.  What size wire should be going down the tower to bond to my tower / 
electrical ground?

I am assuming it should be insulated but is normal THHN jacketing enough to 
have it truly isolate from something jumping over or does it have be in conduit.


Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

[chuck]

Cambium?
Put it on the wiki.
http://www.wisptech.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

Accepting input as well. Just comment on the table and one of the editors will 
work with you on it.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Lewis Bergman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 12:48:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?


Nice table...thanks

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 12:44 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

  It's a stickied post on the TBW FB page:

  
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rxpeVcx-98ZsU_Fc12AxVaBOp3I6MgDatccQjjI63-Y/edit?usp=drivesdk




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 12:42:24 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?


  Like to see a matrix of prices and throughputs.  

  From: Stephen Patrick 
  Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:24 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

  I'm told that we're competitive!

  Welcome to drop a mail to discuss
  sa...@cablefree.net 

  Comments & questions welcome -
  Best regards
  Stephen



  On 24 July 2017 at 13:52, Jon Langeler  wrote:

Pricing is same or lower than everyone else?


Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:30 AM, Stephen Patrick 
 wrote:


  CableFree HCR supports full XPIC in 6GHz (includes L and U bands)
  1024QAM modulation.

  www.cablefree.net/hcr

  I hope that helps,

  Best regards
  Stephen





  On 21 July 2017 at 21:04,  wrote:

What is the total throughput and price of these?

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

SIAE Also Plus 2
Ceragon / Cambium IP20/820

Anything im missing? 



  Gino A. Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

[Stephen Patrick]

The Table is great - but under CableFree no specific product shown, and the
price for that shown (10Gbps) is no longer current.
CableFree have 100's of options for links.  Start at under USD 4k a link
for complete licensed links.
Might be good to include a wide ranger in the sheet, or simply put a range
"4k to 20k, depends on options"

The sheet is a great idea, just needs some refining!

Best regards
Stephen

On 24 July 2017 at 18:43, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> It's a stickied post on the TBW FB page:
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rxpeVcx-98ZsU_
> Fc12AxVaBOp3I6MgDatccQjjI63-Y/edit?usp=drivesdk
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 12:42:24 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?
>
> Like to see a matrix of prices and throughputs.
>
> *From:* Stephen Patrick
> *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 11:24 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?
>
> I'm told that we're competitive!
>
> Welcome to drop a mail to discuss
> sa...@cablefree.net
>
> Comments & questions welcome -
> Best regards
> Stephen
>
>
> On 24 July 2017 at 13:52, Jon Langeler  wrote:
>
>> Pricing is same or lower than everyone else?
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:30 AM, Stephen Patrick <
>> stephen.patr...@cablefree.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> CableFree HCR supports full XPIC in 6GHz (includes L and U bands)
>> 1024QAM modulation.
>>
>> www.cablefree.net/hcr
>>
>> I hope that helps,
>>
>> Best regards
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21 July 2017 at 21:04,  wrote:
>>
>>> What is the total throughput and price of these?
>>>
>>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 2:02 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?
>>>
>>> SIAE Also Plus 2
>>> Ceragon / Cambium IP20/820
>>>
>>> Anything im missing?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

[Mike Hammett]

Accepting input as well. Just comment on the table and one of the editors will 
work with you on it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Lewis Bergman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 12:48:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options? 


Nice table...thanks 


On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 12:44 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




It's a stickied post on the TBW FB page: 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rxpeVcx-98ZsU_Fc12AxVaBOp3I6MgDatccQjjI63-Y/edit?usp=drivesdk
 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 12:42:24 PM 



Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options? 




Like to see a matrix of prices and throughputs. 




From: Stephen Patrick 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:24 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options? 



I'm told that we're competitive! 

Welcome to drop a mail to discuss 
sa...@cablefree.net 

Comments & questions welcome - 
Best regards 
Stephen 




On 24 July 2017 at 13:52, Jon Langeler < jon-ispli...@michwave.net > wrote: 




Pricing is same or lower than everyone else? 


Jon Langeler 
Michwave Technologies, Inc. 


On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:30 AM, Stephen Patrick < stephen.patr...@cablefree.co.uk 
> wrote: 






CableFree HCR supports full XPIC in 6GHz (includes L and U bands) 
1024QAM modulation. 

www.cablefree.net/hcr 

I hope that helps, 

Best regards 
Stephen 






On 21 July 2017 at 21:04, < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






What is the total throughput and price of these? 




From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 2:02 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options? 




SIAE Also Plus 2 
Ceragon / Cambium IP20/820 

Anything im missing? 



Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 
 

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

[Lewis Bergman]

Nice table...thanks

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 12:44 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> It's a stickied post on the TBW FB page:
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rxpeVcx-98ZsU_Fc12AxVaBOp3I6MgDatccQjjI63-Y/edit?usp=drivesdk
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 12:42:24 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?
>
> Like to see a matrix of prices and throughputs.
>
> *From:* Stephen Patrick
> *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 11:24 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?
>
> I'm told that we're competitive!
>
> Welcome to drop a mail to discuss
> sa...@cablefree.net
>
> Comments & questions welcome -
> Best regards
> Stephen
>
>
> On 24 July 2017 at 13:52, Jon Langeler  wrote:
>
>> Pricing is same or lower than everyone else?
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:30 AM, Stephen Patrick <
>> stephen.patr...@cablefree.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> CableFree HCR supports full XPIC in 6GHz (includes L and U bands)
>> 1024QAM modulation.
>>
>> www.cablefree.net/hcr
>>
>> I hope that helps,
>>
>> Best regards
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21 July 2017 at 21:04,  wrote:
>>
>>> What is the total throughput and price of these?
>>>
>>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 2:02 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?
>>>
>>> SIAE Also Plus 2
>>> Ceragon / Cambium IP20/820
>>>
>>> Anything im missing?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

[Lewis Bergman]

On 1. it will be really difficult to completely isolate a piece of
equipment unless it is designed to float but good luck. If you are truly
going to isolate everything from ground then you won't need to worry about
#2 as all will float. You should check that the antenna you are using don't
require a ground plane.
On 2. I Cadweld a 2/0 jacketed to an 8' rod at the top of the tower, not
isolated. I then bond (15 ton Hydraulic Crimp) it to a bus bar 5' below the
top for equipment grounds. Anywhere else there is a cluster of equipment I
also put a bus bar. I then take that 2/0 to the bottom to the last bus bar
and then into the ground ring.

>
>
>1. *Wondering what materials people are using to isolate their mounts?*
>What is sufficient?  Would the rubber from a thick radiator hose be enough
>to keep the lightning from coming through?  Double thicknesses?
>
>
>
> One consultant recommended starboard, but I am not sure how I will craft
> that into a work piece that would mold around a tower leg and be able to
> grip it.
>
>
>
>1. *What size wire should be going down the tower to bond to my tower
>/ electrical ground?   *
>
> I am assuming it should be insulated but is normal THHN jacketing enough
> to have it truly isolate from something jumping over or does it have be in
> conduit.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

[Mike Hammett]

It's a stickied post on the TBW FB page: 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rxpeVcx-98ZsU_Fc12AxVaBOp3I6MgDatccQjjI63-Y/edit?usp=drivesdk
 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 12:42:24 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options? 




Like to see a matrix of prices and throughputs. 




From: Stephen Patrick 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:24 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options? 



I'm told that we're competitive! 

Welcome to drop a mail to discuss 
sa...@cablefree.net 

Comments & questions welcome - 
Best regards 
Stephen 




On 24 July 2017 at 13:52, Jon Langeler < jon-ispli...@michwave.net > wrote: 




Pricing is same or lower than everyone else? 


Jon Langeler 
Michwave Technologies, Inc. 


On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:30 AM, Stephen Patrick < stephen.patr...@cablefree.co.uk 
> wrote: 






CableFree HCR supports full XPIC in 6GHz (includes L and U bands) 
1024QAM modulation. 

www.cablefree.net/hcr 

I hope that helps, 

Best regards 
Stephen 






On 21 July 2017 at 21:04, < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






What is the total throughput and price of these? 




From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 2:02 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options? 




SIAE Also Plus 2 
Ceragon / Cambium IP20/820 

Anything im missing? 



Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 
 

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

[chuck]

Like to see a matrix of prices and throughputs.  

From: Stephen Patrick 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

I'm told that we're competitive!

Welcome to drop a mail to discuss
sa...@cablefree.net 

Comments & questions welcome -
Best regards
Stephen



On 24 July 2017 at 13:52, Jon Langeler  wrote:

  Pricing is same or lower than everyone else?


  Jon Langeler
  Michwave Technologies, Inc.


  On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:30 AM, Stephen Patrick 
 wrote:


CableFree HCR supports full XPIC in 6GHz (includes L and U bands)
1024QAM modulation.

www.cablefree.net/hcr

I hope that helps,

Best regards
Stephen





On 21 July 2017 at 21:04,  wrote:

  What is the total throughput and price of these?

  From: Gino A. Villarini 
  Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 2:02 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

  SIAE Also Plus 2
  Ceragon / Cambium IP20/820

  Anything im missing? 



Gino A. Villarini
   
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

  

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

[chuck]

Nothing stops a direct hit.  It will blow up everything that gets in its way.  
You are probably seeing induced surges from nearby strikes.  

Fiber to the top.  Surge suppressors on the DC conductors.  

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

We have two 500ft towers that get hit a bunch, and a water tank that gets the 
same treatment from mother nature.  

 

Anybody doing full isolation of all their antennas, equipment etc. at the top 
of the tower and then running your own ground down the tower?

 

  1.. Wondering what materials people are using to isolate their mounts?  What 
is sufficient?  Would the rubber from a thick radiator hose be enough to keep 
the lightning from coming through?  Double thicknesses? 
 

One consultant recommended starboard, but I am not sure how I will craft that 
into a work piece that would mold around a tower leg and be able to grip it.

 

  2.. What size wire should be going down the tower to bond to my tower / 
electrical ground?   
I am assuming it should be insulated but is normal THHN jacketing enough to 
have it truly isolate from something jumping over or does it have be in 
conduit.  

 

Paul

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

[Josh Luthman]

Have you ever talked to Gino about this?  He's done some crazy things like
PVC sched 40 instead of galvanized piping for hardware.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> We have two 500ft towers that get hit a bunch, and a water tank that gets
> the same treatment from mother nature.
>
>
>
> Anybody doing full isolation of all their antennas, equipment etc. at the
> top of the tower and then running your own ground down the tower?
>
>
>
>1. *Wondering what materials people are using to isolate their mounts?*
>What is sufficient?  Would the rubber from a thick radiator hose be enough
>to keep the lightning from coming through?  Double thicknesses?
>
>
>
> One consultant recommended starboard, but I am not sure how I will craft
> that into a work piece that would mold around a tower leg and be able to
> grip it.
>
>
>
>1. *What size wire should be going down the tower to bond to my tower
>/ electrical ground?   *
>
> I am assuming it should be insulated but is normal THHN jacketing enough
> to have it truly isolate from something jumping over or does it have be in
> conduit.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

[Stephen Patrick]

I'm told that we're competitive!

Welcome to drop a mail to discuss
sa...@cablefree.net

Comments & questions welcome -
Best regards
Stephen


On 24 July 2017 at 13:52, Jon Langeler  wrote:

> Pricing is same or lower than everyone else?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:30 AM, Stephen Patrick <
> stephen.patr...@cablefree.co.uk> wrote:
>
> CableFree HCR supports full XPIC in 6GHz (includes L and U bands)
> 1024QAM modulation.
>
> www.cablefree.net/hcr
>
> I hope that helps,
>
> Best regards
> Stephen
>
>
>
>
> On 21 July 2017 at 21:04,  wrote:
>
>> What is the total throughput and price of these?
>>
>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 2:02 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?
>>
>> SIAE Also Plus 2
>> Ceragon / Cambium IP20/820
>>
>> Anything im missing?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Tower Top Grounding discussion

[Paul McCall]

We have two 500ft towers that get hit a bunch, and a water tank that gets the 
same treatment from mother nature.

Anybody doing full isolation of all their antennas, equipment etc. at the top 
of the tower and then running your own ground down the tower?


  1.  Wondering what materials people are using to isolate their mounts?  What 
is sufficient?  Would the rubber from a thick radiator hose be enough to keep 
the lightning from coming through?  Double thicknesses?

One consultant recommended starboard, but I am not sure how I will craft that 
into a work piece that would mold around a tower leg and be able to grip it.


  1.  What size wire should be going down the tower to bond to my tower / 
electrical ground?

I am assuming it should be insulated but is normal THHN jacketing enough to 
have it truly isolate from something jumping over or does it have be in conduit.


Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Roomba

[Eric Muehleisen]

Got a refurbished Dyson v6 off Amazon for $180 last month. It's already the
best hard-wood sweeper I've ever owned. Very impressive.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 10:49 AM,  wrote:

> We have a second one that is a swiffer type of mopping unit.  If the floor
> is relatively clean it does fine.  It is dumb, just randomly moves around.
> But if you had a drop of something in the kitchen that has had time to dry
> it does not get it off.  At least not the first pass.  It did on the second
> or third pass  mostly...
> Not a replacement for proper mopping.
>
> *From:* Jeremy
> *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 9:38 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Roomba
>
> They have specialty ones (a different brand) for hardwood.  Our new house
> has hardwood on the entire main floor.  I was planning on trying one out
> when we get moved in
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 7:45 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Steve,  do you have daughters?
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 3:17 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Roomba
>>
>> Lmao, twice for christmases ive bought the home broad vacuum cleaners.
>> Granted we are 12 years in without a marriage, but she was happier than a
>> pig in shit. And the last one was cheaper than the first, it was a shark, i
>> was pretty impressed with it, was gonna get a dyson ball, nut everybody
>> said theyre a) bark and no nite. I actually vacuum now and then with this
>> bad boy.
>> Women have an inherent need to justify their place. But, they also jeed
>> expensive jewelry in exchange
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2017 8:47 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>>
>>> waitisn't buying your wife a vacuum cleaner one of the automatic
>>> no-no's ?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 7/22/2017 11:05:44 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Roomba
>>>
>>>
>>> Got my wife a Roomba for Mother’s day.  The first one only worked for 20
>>> minutes before going on the fritz.
>>>
>>> Been watching the replacement do its thing.  Seems pretty smart.
>>>
>>> However it did ship with software that was about a year old.  It is
>>> supposed to automatically update itself.
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Roomba

[chuck]

We have a second one that is a swiffer type of mopping unit.  If the floor is 
relatively clean it does fine.  It is dumb, just randomly moves around.  But if 
you had a drop of something in the kitchen that has had time to dry it does not 
get it off.  At least not the first pass.  It did on the second or third pass 
 mostly...
Not a replacement for proper mopping.  

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Roomba

They have specialty ones (a different brand) for hardwood.  Our new house has 
hardwood on the entire main floor.  I was planning on trying one out when we 
get moved in

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 7:45 AM,  wrote:

  Steve,  do you have daughters?

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:17 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Roomba

  Lmao, twice for christmases ive bought the home broad vacuum cleaners. 
Granted we are 12 years in without a marriage, but she was happier than a pig 
in shit. And the last one was cheaper than the first, it was a shark, i was 
pretty impressed with it, was gonna get a dyson ball, nut everybody said theyre 
a) bark and no nite. I actually vacuum now and then with this bad boy. 
  Women have an inherent need to justify their place. But, they also jeed 
expensive jewelry in exchange

  On Jul 23, 2017 8:47 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

waitisn't buying your wife a vacuum cleaner one of the automatic 
no-no's ?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 7/22/2017 11:05:44 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Roomba

  Got my wife a Roomba for Mother’s day.  The first one only worked for 20 
minutes before going on the fritz.  

  Been watching the replacement do its thing.  Seems pretty smart.

  However it did ship with software that was about a year old.  It is 
supposed to automatically update itself.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Roomba

[Jeremy]

They have specialty ones (a different brand) for hardwood.  Our new house
has hardwood on the entire main floor.  I was planning on trying one out
when we get moved in

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 7:45 AM,  wrote:

> Steve,  do you have daughters?
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 3:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Roomba
>
> Lmao, twice for christmases ive bought the home broad vacuum cleaners.
> Granted we are 12 years in without a marriage, but she was happier than a
> pig in shit. And the last one was cheaper than the first, it was a shark, i
> was pretty impressed with it, was gonna get a dyson ball, nut everybody
> said theyre a) bark and no nite. I actually vacuum now and then with this
> bad boy.
> Women have an inherent need to justify their place. But, they also jeed
> expensive jewelry in exchange
>
> On Jul 23, 2017 8:47 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
>> waitisn't buying your wife a vacuum cleaner one of the automatic
>> no-no's ?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 7/22/2017 11:05:44 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Roomba
>>
>>
>> Got my wife a Roomba for Mother’s day.  The first one only worked for 20
>> minutes before going on the fritz.
>>
>> Been watching the replacement do its thing.  Seems pretty smart.
>>
>> However it did ship with software that was about a year old.  It is
>> supposed to automatically update itself.
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Complaining Employees

[Josh Luthman]

In the words of the great Travis Johnson "Fire fast, hire slow"


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> Yeah, I think that was it.
>
> Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
>>
>> The DoD is the only place I have seen it widely used. Not that I have
>> extensive experience.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017, 7:48 AM Jay Weekley > > wrote:
>>
>> I've heard that government operations require 568A or at least
>> used to.
>> I may be entirely wrong though.
>>
>> Seth Mattinen wrote:
>> > On 7/23/17 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> >> I am guessing 568a will probably work with most things these days,
>> >> will it not?
>> >
>> > I'm pretty sure the only reason to use A is to maintain the same
>> order
>> > you'd use with 25 pair on a 66 block, minus slate.
>> >
>> > Otherwise I've only ever used B with Ethernet.
>> >
>> > ~Seth
>> >
>> > ---
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Roomba

[chuck]

Steve,  do you have daughters?

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 3:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Roomba

Lmao, twice for christmases ive bought the home broad vacuum cleaners. Granted 
we are 12 years in without a marriage, but she was happier than a pig in shit. 
And the last one was cheaper than the first, it was a shark, i was pretty 
impressed with it, was gonna get a dyson ball, nut everybody said theyre a) 
bark and no nite. I actually vacuum now and then with this bad boy. 
Women have an inherent need to justify their place. But, they also jeed 
expensive jewelry in exchange

On Jul 23, 2017 8:47 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

  waitisn't buying your wife a vacuum cleaner one of the automatic no-no's ?


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 7/22/2017 11:05:44 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Roomba

Got my wife a Roomba for Mother’s day.  The first one only worked for 20 
minutes before going on the fritz.  

Been watching the replacement do its thing.  Seems pretty smart.

However it did ship with software that was about a year old.  It is 
supposed to automatically update itself.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Roomba

[chuck]

The thing I really like about the Roomba is its ability to get under couches 
and other furniture.  I have mostly hardwood floor throughout and dust bunnies 
accumulate in odd places.  It is pretty good at picking the dirt at the base 
molding along the walls too.  And it seems to be great on carpets.  So far so 
good.  

I read up on it a bit, it has essentially an optical mouse built into the 
bottom that is watching the floor to get its dead reckoning data.  It corrects 
for drift with an upward looking camera that finds optical landmarks.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 7:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Roomba

The Hoover one I got for Christmas has just terrible software. Maybe there will 
be an update for it, but I'm not going to hold my breath as Hoover offered to 
give me a credit towards another Hoover product. However that's useless as we 
already have a good regular vacuum and we got their $400 model for $200 and the 
$600 model isn't significantly different, so now we go to the $1,000 model and 
I'm not spending $800 to give Hoover another try.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 10:05:43 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Roomba


Got my wife a Roomba for Mother’s day.  The first one only worked for 20 
minutes before going on the fritz.  

Been watching the replacement do its thing.  Seems pretty smart.

However it did ship with software that was about a year old.  It is supposed to 
automatically update itself.  

Re: [AFMUG] WISPAPALOOZA2017 and other misc chat

[Josh Reynolds]

:)

On Jul 24, 2017 8:15 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Damn, you've been busy.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, July 23, 2017 6:18:19 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] WISPAPALOOZA2017 and other misc chat
>
> If anybody is interested, there is a slack channel for
> WISPAPALOOZA2017 setup in our slack group. I just added the link.
>
> Go to http://blog.engineered.online , there is a link to request an
> invite on the right side of the page (or on the bottom if on mobile).
>
> There's other channels there too... isp/wisp, networking, linux,
> general, maybe a channel to talk about tecate and guinness, might add
> one for the McGregor v Mayweather fight, etc.
>
> Join if your interested. If not, ignore this email :)
>
> PS - You can have different notifications between the app / web link
> vs mobile, so your phone doesn't vibrate all day. You can also
> customize notifications to where you don't vibrate or hear any sounds
> but still get a popup.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Roomba

[Mike Hammett]

The Hoover one I got for Christmas has just terrible software. Maybe there will 
be an update for it, but I'm not going to hold my breath as Hoover offered to 
give me a credit towards another Hoover product. However that's useless as we 
already have a good regular vacuum and we got their $400 model for $200 and the 
$600 model isn't significantly different, so now we go to the $1,000 model and 
I'm not spending $800 to give Hoover another try. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 10:05:43 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Roomba 




Got my wife a Roomba for Mother’s day. The first one only worked for 20 minutes 
before going on the fritz. 

Been watching the replacement do its thing. Seems pretty smart. 

However it did ship with software that was about a year old. It is supposed to 
automatically update itself. 

Re: [AFMUG] Be careful with 3650 (was CBRS in trouble)

[Mike Hammett]

A single eNB will do most or all of their bands, depending on manufacturer of 
the eNB, deployment models, etc. 

Sprint deployed three different vendors of eNBs for their 800/1900 MHz bands, 
which are on the same eNB. Those eNBs can do two different (only one at a time 
due to spectrum availability) channels in 800 MHz and multiple simultaneous 
channels of various sizes and positions throughout the whole PCS band. They 
used two of the same, but swapped the third vendor for their 2.5 GHz eNBs. 
Those can do one, two or three (perhaps more) of 8T8R 2.5 GHz in many different 
channel configurations, but Sprint is using TDD 20 MHz channels with a 60/40 
split. 

I wouldn't be surprised if new eNBs some of the other carriers have been 
deploying to support WCS or other new to them bands support 3.5 and 5 GHz. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:18:40 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Be careful with 3650 (was CBRS in trouble) 


Are we still talking about noise or about spectrum allocation? 


Requesting channels from the SAS will not be staus quo, that will be very 
different from how we operate today. 


Right now I'm having trouble with another operator's wimax system. It's an 
industrial automation system so they're using a 50/50 TDD ratio (incompatible 
with ours). Their consultant advised them that they could use small channel 
sizes to avoid interfering with us, but they're insistent on using 10mhz 
channels. For some of our base stations, the noise in the NN portion of the 
band is already as bad as you're saying.and I really have no recourse. 


These guys are happy getting kilobits of throughput some of the time, so the 
fact that we interfere with each other is not really important to them. I'd 
hope that Verizon or ATT has more incentive to figure something out. 


When you're saying they could fall back on another band, are you saying they'd 
build 3.65 in our area and then spend the money to swap eNB for a different 
band? We're in rural areas, so I'm hoping they won't build in our area at all 
because they'd rather build their 5G stuff in a dense urban area and use their 
lower frequencies out in the woods. 


I could be wrong. I don't know what runs through their heads. 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mark Radabaugh" < m...@amplex.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 7/22/2017 8:12:49 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Be careful with 3650 (was CBRS in trouble) 




Do you really think Verizon, AT, Sprint, T-Mobil, Comcast, and Charter 
actually care about keeping the spectrum quiet? The first 4 all have licensed 
spectrum to fall back on if the CBRS portion isn’t working. For the cell 
companies it’s a bonus if 3.65 works, but they are not going to be upset if 
their noise knocks your gear offline. And when you complain about the noise the 
test is going to be “is it louder than -80dB at 1.5m off the ground with no 
antenna gain”. Also - that spec is based on 10Mhz channels. At 20Mhz wide 
channels it’s -70dB. The spectrum is going to get loud. 


WinnForum is very much of the opinion that the SAS has complete command and 
control of the GAA spectrum. You only get spectrum under some definition of 
fair allocation that the SAS is going to decide. It’s not codified status quo - 
it’s mother may I - and the SAS isn’t going to tell you who is keeping you from 
getting a spectrum allocation as they consider it proprietary. 


Mark 







On Jul 21, 2017, at 10:59 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 



I'm not sure whether that rule matters. Everyone has the same incentive to 
avoid interference with each other as they did before. Right now if we 
interfere with each other there's no recourse. Sounds like that'll still be the 
case. Codified status quo. 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mark Radabaugh" < m...@amplex.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 7/21/2017 4:49:37 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Be careful with 3650 (was CBRS in trouble) 







I urge ALL of you using 3.65 gear to pay very close attention to what the 
definition of power level at the edge of a SAS is - it is a whole lot louder 
than many of you are thinking about. The actual document is here: 


https://www.fcc.gov/document/35-ghz-order-recon-and-2nd-ro 


Pay very close attention to this, and the examples in the appendix. 



(d) Received Signal Strength Limits : 
(1) For both Priority Access and GAA users, CBSD transmissions must be managed 
such that the aggregate received signal strength for all locations within the 
PAL Protection Area of any co-channel PAL, shall not exceed an average (RMS) 
power level of -80 dBm in any direction when integrated over a 10 megahertz 
reference bandwidth, with the measurement antenna placed at a height of 1.5 
meters above ground level, unless the affected PAL licensees agree to an 

Re: [AFMUG] WISPAPALOOZA2017 and other misc chat

[Mike Hammett]

Damn, you've been busy. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 6:18:19 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] WISPAPALOOZA2017 and other misc chat 

If anybody is interested, there is a slack channel for 
WISPAPALOOZA2017 setup in our slack group. I just added the link. 

Go to http://blog.engineered.online , there is a link to request an 
invite on the right side of the page (or on the bottom if on mobile). 

There's other channels there too... isp/wisp, networking, linux, 
general, maybe a channel to talk about tecate and guinness, might add 
one for the McGregor v Mayweather fight, etc. 

Join if your interested. If not, ignore this email :) 

PS - You can have different notifications between the app / web link 
vs mobile, so your phone doesn't vibrate all day. You can also 
customize notifications to where you don't vibrate or hear any sounds 
but still get a popup. 

Re: [AFMUG] Complaining Employees

[Jay Weekley]

Yeah, I think that was it.

Lewis Bergman wrote:


The DoD is the only place I have seen it widely used. Not that I have 
extensive experience.



On Mon, Jul 24, 2017, 7:48 AM Jay Weekley > wrote:


I've heard that government operations require 568A or at least
used to.
I may be entirely wrong though.

Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 7/23/17 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> I am guessing 568a will probably work with most things these days,
>> will it not?
>
> I'm pretty sure the only reason to use A is to maintain the same
order
> you'd use with 25 pair on a 66 block, minus slate.
>
> Otherwise I've only ever used B with Ethernet.
>
> ~Seth
>
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
> http://www.avg.com
>
>


 
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Re: [AFMUG] Installer Wages

[Jay Weekley]

Benefits are huge.  I still miss that health, dental, optical, life, 
tuition reimbursement and matching 401k that I had when I worked for our 
local hospital.


Steve Jones wrote:
I worked for a company once that did a cool thing, they started you at 
a fairly low wage (like 7 at the time, i think minimum wage was in the 
5 or 6 dollar range) they had the regular 30 60 90 day performance 
raises with am annual raise, and yearly profit sharing bonus. But they 
had .25 raises you could earn for various things that required a 
little motivation and were designed to make you take ownership. One 
was to be able to identify all the motivational posters in the plant, 
another was to be able to tell the history of the company, all fairly 
easy, like doing Aplus, but weeded out the non motivated employees. 
They also offered one off 500 dollar bonuses for any successful ideas 
that increased productivity in a measurable way.

Wages are earned as should the rate behind those raises.
Here the boss starts low but gives good raises for a while before it 
stagnates. But we do have good insurance that was worth about 24k a 
couple years ago when i priced similar coverage, thats an important 
"wage" factor to account for when discussing rate of pay with 
prospective employees, especially in the current insurance environment.


On Jul 23, 2017 10:39 AM, "Jeremy" > wrote:


My competitors are all starting them at $12/hr if that helps.  I
did that job for years and years.  I believe that employees need a
solid livable wage if you want them to mature and stay with the
company.  I also want them to really love their job, and feel like
they are an important asset to this company.  I can't imagine
doing this job for $12/hr...so how can I expect them to?  MY wages
are in no way typical for my area, but I have extremely high
demands and I expect a lot in performance.

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Josh Reynolds
> wrote:

"While it is a dangerous job, it also pays well. Their mean
annual wage is $44,250. The 10% that made the lowest earned
around $26,200 per year, according to the Bureau of Labor
Statistics. The highest paid percentage earn more than $67,000
per year. Hourly this breaks down into $12.60 per hour at the
low end and $32.53 at the high end.

If you want to be in this upper end of the pay scale, the
highest paying states on average are, Washington, Missouri,
Alaska, Nevada, and Kentucky, all of which pay their *tower
climbers* well over $52,000 per year. Washington has the
highest pay scale out of all of these states. The extreme
conditions in Alaska prompt higher salaries, just be prepared
because storms in Alaska can come without warning. And, if it
is 20 degrees on the ground, it is likely to be below zero on
the top of a tower.

The lowest tower climber earnings come from Montana, Michigan,
and West Virginia which average $35,000 per year, which is
still a good living especially in states where there is a
lower cost of living and people qualified for certain fields
are harder to come by.​"

​from:
https://www.towerclimber.com/tower-climber-salary-2/

​

​


On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 10:30 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
>
wrote:

those guys are us, i think... lol
9 starting - after three months 11
then increases after periodic reviews
if they're doing tower work or overtime time and a half
i think we have some guys making 13-15 now

- Original Message -
*From:* Matt Hoppes

*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:24 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer Wages

Tower guys. Folks who program radios manage RF handle
tower issues. Etc.

On Jul 23, 2017, at 11:20 AM, Adair Winter
> wrote:


What do you mean by network techs? Tower guys and such?

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Matt Hoppes
> wrote:

How much are you paying your network techs then?

On Jul 23, 2017, at 11:10 AM, Adair Winter
> 

[AFMUG] Battery Charger & Inverter

[Adair Winter]

Hello,
We have some old C telco batteries that were in our data center when we
moved in (50 year batters that are about 25 years old). We've been keeping
them watered and in decent shape.

I'm looking for a company that could help us put them back in operation.
i.e, large 100a 48v battery charger and and large inverter we can use to
feed a sub panel to distribute power probably also around 20kVa.

Thanks

-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

[Jon Langeler]

Pricing is same or lower than everyone else?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:30 AM, Stephen Patrick 
>  wrote:
> 
> CableFree HCR supports full XPIC in 6GHz (includes L and U bands)
> 1024QAM modulation.
> 
> www.cablefree.net/hcr
> 
> I hope that helps,
> 
> Best regards
> Stephen
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 21 July 2017 at 21:04,  wrote:
>> What is the total throughput and price of these?
>>  
>> From: Gino A. Villarini
>> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 2:02 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?
>>  
>> SIAE Also Plus 2
>> Ceragon / Cambium IP20/820
>>  
>> Anything im missing?
>>  
>> 
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> 
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Complaining Employees

[Lewis Bergman]

The DoD is the only place I have seen it widely used. Not that I have
extensive experience.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017, 7:48 AM Jay Weekley  wrote:

> I've heard that government operations require 568A or at least used to.
> I may be entirely wrong though.
>
> Seth Mattinen wrote:
> > On 7/23/17 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> >> I am guessing 568a will probably work with most things these days,
> >> will it not?
> >
> > I'm pretty sure the only reason to use A is to maintain the same order
> > you'd use with 25 pair on a 66 block, minus slate.
> >
> > Otherwise I've only ever used B with Ethernet.
> >
> > ~Seth
> >
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> >
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>

Re: [AFMUG] Complaining Employees

[Jay Weekley]

I've heard that government operations require 568A or at least used to. 
I may be entirely wrong though.


Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 7/23/17 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I am guessing 568a will probably work with most things these days, 
will it not?


I'm pretty sure the only reason to use A is to maintain the same order 
you'd use with 25 pair on a 66 block, minus slate.


Otherwise I've only ever used B with Ethernet.

~Seth

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Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

[Hardy, Tim]

Aviat WTM, Nokia, maybe NEC?

From: Af  on behalf of Gino A. Villarini 

Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 5:49:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

About 400+ mbps in a 30 mhz xpic setup

From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Friday, July 21, 2017 at 4:04 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

What is the total throughput and price of these?

From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

SIAE Also Plus 2
Ceragon / Cambium IP20/820

Anything im missing?



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:429DDECE9D4E4ED6AD3F26EA4FD16EED@MTC.local]

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

[Gino A. Villarini]

About 400+ mbps in a 30 mhz xpic setup

From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Friday, July 21, 2017 at 4:04 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

What is the total throughput and price of these?

From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

SIAE Also Plus 2
Ceragon / Cambium IP20/820

Anything im missing?



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:429DDECE9D4E4ED6AD3F26EA4FD16EED@MTC.local]

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Price?

From: Af > on behalf of 
Stephen Patrick 
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Monday, July 24, 2017 at 5:30 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

CableFree HCR supports full XPIC in 6GHz (includes L and U bands)
1024QAM modulation.

www.cablefree.net/hcr

I hope that helps,

Best regards
Stephen




On 21 July 2017 at 21:04, > wrote:



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

What is the total throughput and price of these?

From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

SIAE Also Plus 2
Ceragon / Cambium IP20/820

Anything im missing?



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:429DDECE9D4E4ED6AD3F26EA4FD16EED@MTC.local]

Re: [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?

[Stephen Patrick]

CableFree HCR supports full XPIC in 6GHz (includes L and U bands)
1024QAM modulation.

www.cablefree.net/hcr

I hope that helps,

Best regards
Stephen




On 21 July 2017 at 21:04,  wrote:

> What is the total throughput and price of these?
>
> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 2:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 6 ghz xlic radio options?
>
> SIAE Also Plus 2
> Ceragon / Cambium IP20/820
>
> Anything im missing?
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Roomba

[Steve Jones]

Lmao, twice for christmases ive bought the home broad vacuum cleaners.
Granted we are 12 years in without a marriage, but she was happier than a
pig in shit. And the last one was cheaper than the first, it was a shark, i
was pretty impressed with it, was gonna get a dyson ball, nut everybody
said theyre a) bark and no nite. I actually vacuum now and then with this
bad boy.
Women have an inherent need to justify their place. But, they also jeed
expensive jewelry in exchange

On Jul 23, 2017 8:47 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> waitisn't buying your wife a vacuum cleaner one of the automatic
> no-no's ?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 7/22/2017 11:05:44 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Roomba
>
> Got my wife a Roomba for Mother’s day.  The first one only worked for 20
> minutes before going on the fritz.
>
> Been watching the replacement do its thing.  Seems pretty smart.
>
> However it did ship with software that was about a year old.  It is
> supposed to automatically update itself.
>
>