Re: [AFMUG] Gino

[Brian Webster]

Just got an update on this request, they have enough volunteers for this now.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 12:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

http://www.arrl.org/news/american-red-cross-asks-arrl-s-assistance-with-puerto-rico-relief-effort

Red Cross Asks For 50 Ham Radio Operators To Fly To Puerto Rico

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
> (I'm trimming the excess replies as those are getting out of control)
>
> MarineTraffic shows very few ships around the island. Either that is 
> because most of the AIS radio receiving stations on Puerto Rico are 
> damaged / offline (still possible), or because no ships are going 
> there until the ports are fixed/cleared.
>
> https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-66.5/centery:18.2/z
> oom:9
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Steve Jones 
> 
> wrote:
>>
>> there is nowhere to park the boats Jaime. That's the problem. there 
>> are boats sitting in the ocean with nowhere to park. its not even 
>> just lack of docks, there is debris in the water, sunk or disabled 
>> ships in the few areas accessible are a real risk. We are all looking 
>> at this through landlocked eyes where theres always tons of options. 
>> The military is leading operations, but theyre not physics magicians. 
>> 3 million people is a lot of supplies, just in drinking water alone. 
>> then distribution if you do get it to land. what do you send, and in 
>> what order when the fuel is running out? a bunch of delivery trucks? so they 
>> fill the lots cause they don't have fuel?
>> food? with nothing to transport it cause the roads are damaged or 
>> impassable? They don't even have the chainsaws, there was a whole 
>> article about that, not enough chainsaws. A tree falls in my 
>> neighborhood, there are ten chainsaws within 10 minutes onsite 
>> cutting because theres 5-10 chainsaws per city block in garages.
>>
>> this is a new logistics nightmare with 24/7 nonstop negative media 
>> coverage on top of it
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just saw and heard the mayor of San Juan... We need our military to 
>>> deploy immediately to assist...they are trained and have logistics 
>>> expertise...cruise liners could take a shitload of supplies 
>>> them...damn we are the most powerful country and we are dropping the ball.
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit - FROM IRMA TO MARIA

[Josh Reynolds]

As cheesy as this sounds, it's stuff like this that gives me hope for our
species.

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:19 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> https://www.facebook.com/26MEU/videos/1754468084595899/
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Gino

[Josh Reynolds]

http://www.arrl.org/news/american-red-cross-asks-arrl-s-assistance-with-puerto-rico-relief-effort

Red Cross Asks For 50 Ham Radio Operators To Fly To Puerto Rico

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
> (I'm trimming the excess replies as those are getting out of control)
>
> MarineTraffic shows very few ships around the island. Either that is because
> most of the AIS radio receiving stations on Puerto Rico are damaged /
> offline (still possible), or because no ships are going there until the
> ports are fixed/cleared.
>
> https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-66.5/centery:18.2/zoom:9
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>>
>> there is nowhere to park the boats Jaime. That's the problem. there are
>> boats sitting in the ocean with nowhere to park. its not even just lack of
>> docks, there is debris in the water, sunk or disabled ships in the few areas
>> accessible are a real risk. We are all looking at this through landlocked
>> eyes where theres always tons of options. The military is leading
>> operations, but theyre not physics magicians. 3 million people is a lot of
>> supplies, just in drinking water alone. then distribution if you do get it
>> to land. what do you send, and in what order when the fuel is running out? a
>> bunch of delivery trucks? so they fill the lots cause they don't have fuel?
>> food? with nothing to transport it cause the roads are damaged or
>> impassable? They don't even have the chainsaws, there was a whole article
>> about that, not enough chainsaws. A tree falls in my neighborhood, there are
>> ten chainsaws within 10 minutes onsite cutting because theres 5-10 chainsaws
>> per city block in garages.
>>
>> this is a new logistics nightmare with 24/7 nonstop negative media
>> coverage on top of it
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just saw and heard the mayor of San Juan... We need our military to
>>> deploy immediately to assist...they are trained and have logistics
>>> expertise...cruise liners could take a shitload of supplies them...damn we
>>> are the most powerful country and we are dropping the ball.
>>>
>

[AFMUG] 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit - FROM IRMA TO MARIA

[Mike Hammett]

https://www.facebook.com/26MEU/videos/1754468084595899/ 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] Gino - status update

[Brian Webster]

Checking on multiple options at this point. Trying to work government resources 
since Gino can help establish mission critical links for them. Will know more 
in the next day or two.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino - status update

 

are chartered boats out of florida  an option? 15 pallets at t about 2.5 tons 
might be doable on a few charters (a fishing trawler might be able to do it in 
one)

 

not going to be cheap, but I'm guessing at this point non critical 
infrastructure shipping isn't going to be cheap

 

btw, the less than reputable shippers are always accessible and can get anywhere

 

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Brian Webster  wrote:

Talking with Gino tonight and he is a bit overwhelmed. He asked if I could help 
and field the offers of manpower assistance, so I told him I would gladly help 
coordinate for him.

 

Here is the situation as of this point:

 

He has equipment he needs to restore his network, it’s stranded stateside now. 
I am working multiple angles to get shipment to the island, not easy right now. 
One shipment is 15 pallets weighing in at 5.3 K pounds. 

Transport to the island is the issue; see my earlier post about FAA status. If 
anyone knows of transport going to the island and has room for this stuff ping 
me. The pallets are in CA right now.

 

Until he gets equipment to the island he can’t really use much help yet. Since 
commercial flights have not resumed transportation there is also the issue.

 

 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

 

Here is the latest on the FAA situation at San Juan:

 

FAA said preliminary damage assessments have identified a number of critical 
radars and navigational aids were destroyed or disabled during the storm. The 
agency is bringing replacement systems to the islands by air and by sea to 
restore essential radar, navigation and communication services, and a 
long-range radar in Turks and Caicos was made operational Sept. 25.

 

“Technicians are making their way to a second long-range radar site today 
[Sept. 25] at Pico del Este, which is located inside a National Park in Puerto 
Rico, on the top of a mountain.,” FAA said. “The last two miles to the site 
through the rain forest are impassable, so the technicians are using chain saws 
to clear a path for themselves and the replacement equipment.”

 

FAA is unable to give an estimate for full restoration of service, citing the 
extent of the damage and the challenges of the terrain where the equipment is 
located.

 

I am in communication with Gino, he has gear stuck stateside so he and I are 
trying to figure out some logistics. It’s a lot of radios!

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

 

You're tryna tell me the Navy or CG can't do makeshift airtraffic control from 
a ship offshore?

On 9/26/2017 8:17 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't lifted the 
act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it for Harvey and 
Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, the problem is, the 
ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and ships are queued.

This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military bridging 
vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary docks or 
something.

 

I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged tarmacs. Its 
almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they can move high 
volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys business

 

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster  wrote:

Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA systems were 
down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS, and USPS are not 
operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are VFR only with very big 
spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami. Logistics is a big issue 
right now. I have not had any direct or specific requests from Gino yet.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd. 

 

Cooperstown, NY 13326 

 

(607) 643-4055   Office

(607) 435-3988   Mobile

(208) 692-1898 

Re: [AFMUG] powercode bmu specs

[Steve Jones]

FYI: moving the IP Address ranges off the BMU to another in the mirror
group makes all the difference in the world. The snmp monitoring croaks out
the NX216 somewhere over 200mb

We are clean pushing up to 300mb across this one tonite after moving a few
hundred ip ranges off.

we are going to bring up another old retired BMU with nothing more than IP
access to the network and move all ip ranges to that as nothing more than
an snmp probe to get us through til the mikrotik implemenetaion is full
production while we review out long term options.

BTW powercode was pretty responsive today and very frank on the underlying
issues and the long term solutions. I was satisfied with what they had to
say because it fully explained what was going on. didn't have a today fix,
but the root cause was acknowleged

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> just got off the phone with them, it looks promising, resolves some major
> limitations. I may end up putting a couple of ours in play today or
> tomorrow just to offset load
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Christopher Tyler <
> ch...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote:
>
>> Don't know about any documentation but we will be testing out the
>> Mikrotik "BMU" as soon as we can.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher Tyler
>> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
>> Total Highspeed Internet Services
>> 417.851.1107
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Steve Jones" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:00:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] powercode bmu specs
>>
>> is there any documentation now anywhere? I cant find anything outside
>> change logs and videos.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > yeah, mikrotik used to be an option when imagestream was an option
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Back?  No.  Never had Mikrotik.  In ancient times it was CentOS, then
>> >> ImageStream, then their own.
>> >>
>> >> You'll still need a BMU of sorts for SNMP, monitoring, etc but the
>> duties
>> >> of queues/routes/redirect/packet pushing are the bigger demands.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Josh Luthman
>> >> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> >> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> >> 1100 Wayne St
>> >> > OH+45373=gmail=g>
>> >> Suite 1337
>> >> > OH+45373=gmail=g>
>> >> Troy, OH 45373
>> >> > OH+45373=gmail=g>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Steve Jones <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> theyre going back to mikrotiks?
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>>  Mikrotik integrated is starting, I'd wait until that's done and avoid
>>  buying an official "BMU".
>> 
>> 
>>  Josh Luthman
>>  Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>  Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>  1100 Wayne St
>>  > OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>  Suite 1337
>>  > OH+45373=gmail=g>
>>  Troy, OH 45373
>>  > OH+45373=gmail=g>
>> 
>>  On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:22 PM, Steve Jones <
>>  thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > I'm pushing our infrastructure over to the lighter used NX216 so at
>> > least the monitoring offloads. but I have to say, it really pisses
>> a guy
>> > off when hardware specs are removed, really pisses the guy off.
>> >
>> > weve been running 750 or so through this one, but bandwidth has
>> > increased. As best I can tell its not heavy, like 20kpps if I'm
>> > understanding the attacked MT correctly.
>> >
>> > This started with monitoring anomalies, high pings on monitoring
>> > devices on the BMU, but no customer impact, now its croaking
>> customer
>> > latencies.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Adair Winter <
>> > ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think we started having issues around 600 or 800 subs on our
>> NX216
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:14 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> >> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> i have heard rumor you might have problems with a nx216 with 500
>> or
>> >>> so accounts or higher.
>> >>> the symptom is when you see "bmu queue" counter start being
>> high(er)
>> >>> on your billing server.
>> >>> we have not run into this yet and are still on a nx216 - close to
>> >>> 700 customers i think.
>> >>>
>> >>> we 

Re: [AFMUG] Gino

[Brian Webster]

Those are called LCAC’s, can carry 60 tons. Retired Navy Chief, love those 
things. They could bring them ashore at places like Roosevelt Roads but the 
rest of the island logistics as has been mentioned is also the issue. I am sure 
the Navy is full on deployed right now to help deal with this. It all takes 
time to stage and then transport. Moving tonnage is a massive undertaking which 
is why after the gulf wars it was just cheaper to leave so much equipment there 
and not bring it back.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

 

When I was in the USMC we had gigantic air cushion type transports that could 
carry two M1 Abrams. I never saw them come up on anything other than a Sandy 
Beach so I don't know if they can or not. Also don't know what kind of beaches 
PR has. Who knows where they are.

I would think deployment of military on a territory is a lot easier than 
stateside legally.

 

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017, 9:22 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

I understand Steve...it is a nightmare...wonder if those airboats that they use 
in swamps and such could help?  

 

On Sep 26, 2017 8:09 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

there is nowhere to park the boats Jaime. That's the problem. there are boats 
sitting in the ocean with nowhere to park. its not even just lack of docks, 
there is debris in the water, sunk or disabled ships in the few areas 
accessible are a real risk. We are all looking at this through landlocked eyes 
where theres always tons of options. The military is leading operations, but 
theyre not physics magicians. 3 million people is a lot of supplies, just in 
drinking water alone. then distribution if you do get it to land. what do you 
send, and in what order when the fuel is running out? a bunch of delivery 
trucks? so they fill the lots cause they don't have fuel? food? with nothing to 
transport it cause the roads are damaged or impassable? They don't even have 
the chainsaws, there was a whole article about that, not enough chainsaws. A 
tree falls in my neighborhood, there are ten chainsaws within 10 minutes onsite 
cutting because theres 5-10 chainsaws per city block in garages.

 

this is a new logistics nightmare with 24/7 nonstop negative media coverage on 
top of it

 

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Just saw and heard the mayor of San Juan... We need our military to deploy 
immediately to assist...they are trained and have logistics expertise...cruise 
liners could take a shitload of supplies them...damn we are the most powerful 
country and we are dropping the ball.

 

On Sep 26, 2017 7:35 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

I saw that on news..they need gasoline for generators..I have seen the COWs 
military uses during war games at McGregor and White Sands Missile Ranges..they 
have a section of Fort Bliss where they store these...they look like Glen 
Martin telescoping towers on trailers...wonder if we could send some of these 
for rescue and recovery ? 

 

On Sep 26, 2017 7:17 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't lifted the 
act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it for Harvey and 
Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, the problem is, the 
ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and ships are queued.

This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military bridging 
vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary docks or 
something.

 

I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged tarmacs. Its 
almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they can move high 
volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys business

 

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster  wrote:

Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA systems were 
down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS, and USPS are not 
operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are VFR only with very big 
spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami. Logistics is a big issue 
right now. I have not had any direct or specific requests from Gino yet.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd. 

 

Cooperstown, NY 13326 

 

(607) 643-4055   Office

(607) 435-3988   Mobile

(208) 692-1898   Fax
Skype: Radiowebst

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af 

Re: [AFMUG] Gino

[Steve Jones]

does that produce enough costally to help inland? coastal waters right now
are toxic with pollution right now so filtration is a huge issue too

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Much better off moving desalination units than water.
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017, 9:34 PM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> When I was in the USMC we had gigantic air cushion type transports that
>> could carry two M1 Abrams. I never saw them come up on anything other than
>> a Sandy Beach so I don't know if they can or not. Also don't know what kind
>> of beaches PR has. Who knows where they are.
>>
>> I would think deployment of military on a territory is a lot easier than
>> stateside legally.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017, 9:22 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I understand Steve...it is a nightmare...wonder if those airboats that
>>> they use in swamps and such could help?
>>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2017 8:09 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> there is nowhere to park the boats Jaime. That's the problem. there are
>>> boats sitting in the ocean with nowhere to park. its not even just lack of
>>> docks, there is debris in the water, sunk or disabled ships in the few
>>> areas accessible are a real risk. We are all looking at this through
>>> landlocked eyes where theres always tons of options. The military is
>>> leading operations, but theyre not physics magicians. 3 million people is a
>>> lot of supplies, just in drinking water alone. then distribution if you do
>>> get it to land. what do you send, and in what order when the fuel is
>>> running out? a bunch of delivery trucks? so they fill the lots cause they
>>> don't have fuel? food? with nothing to transport it cause the roads are
>>> damaged or impassable? They don't even have the chainsaws, there was a
>>> whole article about that, not enough chainsaws. A tree falls in my
>>> neighborhood, there are ten chainsaws within 10 minutes onsite cutting
>>> because theres 5-10 chainsaws per city block in garages.
>>>
>>> this is a new logistics nightmare with 24/7 nonstop negative media
>>> coverage on top of it
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Just saw and heard the mayor of San Juan... We need our military to
 deploy immediately to assist...they are trained and have logistics
 expertise...cruise liners could take a shitload of supplies them...damn we
 are the most powerful country and we are dropping the ball.

 On Sep 26, 2017 7:35 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> I saw that on news..they need gasoline for generators..I have seen the
> COWs military uses during war games at McGregor and White Sands Missile
> Ranges..they have a section of Fort Bliss where they store these...they
> look like Glen Martin telescoping towers on trailers...wonder if we could
> send some of these for rescue and recovery ?
>
> On Sep 26, 2017 7:17 PM, "Steve Jones" 
> wrote:
>
>> I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't
>> lifted the act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it
>> for Harvey and Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, 
>> the
>> problem is, the ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and
>> ships are queued.
>> This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military
>> bridging vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary
>> docks or something.
>>
>> I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged
>> tarmacs. Its almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they
>> can move high volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys 
>> business
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster <
>> i...@wirelessmapping.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA
>>> systems were down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS,
>>> and USPS are not operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are 
>>> VFR
>>> only with very big spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami.
>>> Logistics is a big issue right now. I have not had any direct or 
>>> specific
>>> requests from Gino yet.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank You,
>>>
>>> Brian Webster
>>>
>>> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
>>> 
>>>
>>> Cooperstown, NY 13326
>>> 
>>>
>>> (607) 643-4055 Office
>>>
>>> (607) 435-3988 Mobile
>>>
>>> (208) 692-1898 Fax
>>> Skype: Radiowebst
>>>
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Gino

[Lewis Bergman]

Much better off moving desalination units than water.

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017, 9:34 PM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

> When I was in the USMC we had gigantic air cushion type transports that
> could carry two M1 Abrams. I never saw them come up on anything other than
> a Sandy Beach so I don't know if they can or not. Also don't know what kind
> of beaches PR has. Who knows where they are.
>
> I would think deployment of military on a territory is a lot easier than
> stateside legally.
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017, 9:22 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> I understand Steve...it is a nightmare...wonder if those airboats that
>> they use in swamps and such could help?
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2017 8:09 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>> there is nowhere to park the boats Jaime. That's the problem. there are
>> boats sitting in the ocean with nowhere to park. its not even just lack of
>> docks, there is debris in the water, sunk or disabled ships in the few
>> areas accessible are a real risk. We are all looking at this through
>> landlocked eyes where theres always tons of options. The military is
>> leading operations, but theyre not physics magicians. 3 million people is a
>> lot of supplies, just in drinking water alone. then distribution if you do
>> get it to land. what do you send, and in what order when the fuel is
>> running out? a bunch of delivery trucks? so they fill the lots cause they
>> don't have fuel? food? with nothing to transport it cause the roads are
>> damaged or impassable? They don't even have the chainsaws, there was a
>> whole article about that, not enough chainsaws. A tree falls in my
>> neighborhood, there are ten chainsaws within 10 minutes onsite cutting
>> because theres 5-10 chainsaws per city block in garages.
>>
>> this is a new logistics nightmare with 24/7 nonstop negative media
>> coverage on top of it
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Just saw and heard the mayor of San Juan... We need our military to
>>> deploy immediately to assist...they are trained and have logistics
>>> expertise...cruise liners could take a shitload of supplies them...damn we
>>> are the most powerful country and we are dropping the ball.
>>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2017 7:35 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I saw that on news..they need gasoline for generators..I have seen the
 COWs military uses during war games at McGregor and White Sands Missile
 Ranges..they have a section of Fort Bliss where they store these...they
 look like Glen Martin telescoping towers on trailers...wonder if we could
 send some of these for rescue and recovery ?

 On Sep 26, 2017 7:17 PM, "Steve Jones" 
 wrote:

> I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't
> lifted the act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it
> for Harvey and Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, 
> the
> problem is, the ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and
> ships are queued.
> This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military
> bridging vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary
> docks or something.
>
> I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged
> tarmacs. Its almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they
> can move high volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys 
> business
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster <
> i...@wirelessmapping.com> wrote:
>
>> Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA
>> systems were down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS,
>> and USPS are not operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are 
>> VFR
>> only with very big spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami.
>> Logistics is a big issue right now. I have not had any direct or specific
>> requests from Gino yet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
>> 
>>
>> Cooperstown, NY 13326
>> 
>>
>> (607) 643-4055 Office
>>
>> (607) 435-3988 Mobile
>>
>> (208) 692-1898 Fax
>> Skype: Radiowebst
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>>
>>
>>
>> How do we ship gear to Gino? Do shipments all go by plane? Boat?

Re: [AFMUG] Gino

[Lewis Bergman]

When I was in the USMC we had gigantic air cushion type transports that
could carry two M1 Abrams. I never saw them come up on anything other than
a Sandy Beach so I don't know if they can or not. Also don't know what kind
of beaches PR has. Who knows where they are.

I would think deployment of military on a territory is a lot easier than
stateside legally.

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017, 9:22 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I understand Steve...it is a nightmare...wonder if those airboats that
> they use in swamps and such could help?
>
> On Sep 26, 2017 8:09 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
> there is nowhere to park the boats Jaime. That's the problem. there are
> boats sitting in the ocean with nowhere to park. its not even just lack of
> docks, there is debris in the water, sunk or disabled ships in the few
> areas accessible are a real risk. We are all looking at this through
> landlocked eyes where theres always tons of options. The military is
> leading operations, but theyre not physics magicians. 3 million people is a
> lot of supplies, just in drinking water alone. then distribution if you do
> get it to land. what do you send, and in what order when the fuel is
> running out? a bunch of delivery trucks? so they fill the lots cause they
> don't have fuel? food? with nothing to transport it cause the roads are
> damaged or impassable? They don't even have the chainsaws, there was a
> whole article about that, not enough chainsaws. A tree falls in my
> neighborhood, there are ten chainsaws within 10 minutes onsite cutting
> because theres 5-10 chainsaws per city block in garages.
>
> this is a new logistics nightmare with 24/7 nonstop negative media
> coverage on top of it
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Just saw and heard the mayor of San Juan... We need our military to
>> deploy immediately to assist...they are trained and have logistics
>> expertise...cruise liners could take a shitload of supplies them...damn we
>> are the most powerful country and we are dropping the ball.
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2017 7:35 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I saw that on news..they need gasoline for generators..I have seen the
>>> COWs military uses during war games at McGregor and White Sands Missile
>>> Ranges..they have a section of Fort Bliss where they store these...they
>>> look like Glen Martin telescoping towers on trailers...wonder if we could
>>> send some of these for rescue and recovery ?
>>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2017 7:17 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't
 lifted the act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it
 for Harvey and Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, the
 problem is, the ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and
 ships are queued.
 This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military
 bridging vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary
 docks or something.

 I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged
 tarmacs. Its almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they
 can move high volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys 
 business

 On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster <
 i...@wirelessmapping.com> wrote:

> Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA
> systems were down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS,
> and USPS are not operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are VFR
> only with very big spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami.
> Logistics is a big issue right now. I have not had any direct or specific
> requests from Gino yet.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
> 
>
> Cooperstown, NY 13326
> 
>
> (607) 643-4055 Office
>
> (607) 435-3988 Mobile
>
> (208) 692-1898 Fax
> Skype: Radiowebst
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>
>
>
> How do we ship gear to Gino? Do shipments all go by plane? Boat?   And
> more help is needed there in remote areas according to Puerto Rican Club
> here in El Paso that is collecting money for relief.
>
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2017 10:47 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> I am sure he serves 

Re: [AFMUG] Gino

[Steve Jones]

its crazy one article has talked about 4 million meals that shipped and I
don't even recall the water volume. I was trying to put that in
perspective, assuming MREs are probably the most compact meal, just what
that volume is, I couldn't fathom it. I only eat once a day by choice,
maybe twice if I'm drinking, that was considered a substantial delivery,
and that only gives 2 or three meals for the number of people in demand.
I'm not a person whos capable of that emotional feels stuff, but this
situation makes my eyesockets catch fire

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:22 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I understand Steve...it is a nightmare...wonder if those airboats that
> they use in swamps and such could help?
>
> On Sep 26, 2017 8:09 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
> there is nowhere to park the boats Jaime. That's the problem. there are
> boats sitting in the ocean with nowhere to park. its not even just lack of
> docks, there is debris in the water, sunk or disabled ships in the few
> areas accessible are a real risk. We are all looking at this through
> landlocked eyes where theres always tons of options. The military is
> leading operations, but theyre not physics magicians. 3 million people is a
> lot of supplies, just in drinking water alone. then distribution if you do
> get it to land. what do you send, and in what order when the fuel is
> running out? a bunch of delivery trucks? so they fill the lots cause they
> don't have fuel? food? with nothing to transport it cause the roads are
> damaged or impassable? They don't even have the chainsaws, there was a
> whole article about that, not enough chainsaws. A tree falls in my
> neighborhood, there are ten chainsaws within 10 minutes onsite cutting
> because theres 5-10 chainsaws per city block in garages.
>
> this is a new logistics nightmare with 24/7 nonstop negative media
> coverage on top of it
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Just saw and heard the mayor of San Juan... We need our military to
>> deploy immediately to assist...they are trained and have logistics
>> expertise...cruise liners could take a shitload of supplies them...damn we
>> are the most powerful country and we are dropping the ball.
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2017 7:35 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I saw that on news..they need gasoline for generators..I have seen the
>>> COWs military uses during war games at McGregor and White Sands Missile
>>> Ranges..they have a section of Fort Bliss where they store these...they
>>> look like Glen Martin telescoping towers on trailers...wonder if we could
>>> send some of these for rescue and recovery ?
>>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2017 7:17 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't
 lifted the act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it
 for Harvey and Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, the
 problem is, the ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and
 ships are queued.
 This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military
 bridging vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary
 docks or something.

 I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged
 tarmacs. Its almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they
 can move high volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys 
 business

 On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster <
 i...@wirelessmapping.com> wrote:

> Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA
> systems were down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS,
> and USPS are not operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are VFR
> only with very big spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami.
> Logistics is a big issue right now. I have not had any direct or specific
> requests from Gino yet.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
> 
>
> Cooperstown, NY 13326
> 
>
> (607) 643-4055 Office
>
> (607) 435-3988 Mobile
>
> (208) 692-1898 Fax
> Skype: Radiowebst
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>
>
>
> How do we ship gear to Gino? Do shipments all go by plane? Boat?   And
> more help is needed there in remote areas according to Puerto Rican Club

Re: [AFMUG] Gino - status update

[Steve Jones]

are chartered boats out of florida  an option? 15 pallets at t about 2.5
tons might be doable on a few charters (a fishing trawler might be able to
do it in one)

not going to be cheap, but I'm guessing at this point non critical
infrastructure shipping isn't going to be cheap

btw, the less than reputable shippers are always accessible and can get
anywhere

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Brian Webster 
wrote:

> Talking with Gino tonight and he is a bit overwhelmed. He asked if I could
> help and field the offers of manpower assistance, so I told him I would
> gladly help coordinate for him.
>
>
>
> Here is the situation as of this point:
>
>
>
> He has equipment he needs to restore his network, it’s stranded stateside
> now. I am working multiple angles to get shipment to the island, not easy
> right now. One shipment is 15 pallets weighing in at 5.3 K pounds.
>
> Transport to the island is the issue; see my earlier post about FAA
> status. If anyone knows of transport going to the island and has room for
> this stuff ping me. The pallets are in CA right now.
>
>
>
> Until he gets equipment to the island he can’t really use much help yet.
> Since commercial flights have not resumed transportation there is also the
> issue.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>
>
>
> Here is the latest on the FAA situation at San Juan:
>
>
>
> FAA said preliminary damage assessments have identified a number of
> critical radars and navigational aids were destroyed or disabled during the
> storm. The agency is bringing replacement systems to the islands by air and
> by sea to restore essential radar, navigation and communication services,
> and a long-range radar in Turks and Caicos was made operational Sept. 25.
>
>
>
> “Technicians are making their way to a second long-range radar site today
> [Sept. 25] at Pico del Este, which is located inside a National Park in
> Puerto Rico, on the top of a mountain.,” FAA said. “The last two miles to
> the site through the rain forest are impassable, so the technicians are
> using chain saws to clear a path for themselves and the replacement
> equipment.”
>
>
>
> FAA is unable to give an estimate for full restoration of service, citing
> the extent of the damage and the challenges of the terrain where the
> equipment is located.
>
>
>
> I am in communication with Gino, he has gear stuck stateside so he and I
> are trying to figure out some logistics. It’s a lot of radios!
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>
>
>
> You're tryna tell me the Navy or CG can't do makeshift airtraffic control
> from a ship offshore?
>
> On 9/26/2017 8:17 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't lifted
> the act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it for
> Harvey and Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, the
> problem is, the ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and
> ships are queued.
>
> This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military
> bridging vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary
> docks or something.
>
>
>
> I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged
> tarmacs. Its almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they
> can move high volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys business
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
> Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA systems
> were down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS, and USPS
> are not operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are VFR only with
> very big spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami. Logistics is a
> big issue right now. I have not had any direct or specific requests from
> Gino yet.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
> 
>
> Cooperstown, NY 13326
> 
>
> (607) 643-4055 Office
>
> (607) 435-3988 Mobile
>
> (208) 692-1898 Fax
> Skype: Radiowebst
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>
>
>
> How do we ship gear to Gino? 

Re: [AFMUG] Gino

[Jaime Solorza]

I understand Steve...it is a nightmare...wonder if those airboats that they
use in swamps and such could help?

On Sep 26, 2017 8:09 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

there is nowhere to park the boats Jaime. That's the problem. there are
boats sitting in the ocean with nowhere to park. its not even just lack of
docks, there is debris in the water, sunk or disabled ships in the few
areas accessible are a real risk. We are all looking at this through
landlocked eyes where theres always tons of options. The military is
leading operations, but theyre not physics magicians. 3 million people is a
lot of supplies, just in drinking water alone. then distribution if you do
get it to land. what do you send, and in what order when the fuel is
running out? a bunch of delivery trucks? so they fill the lots cause they
don't have fuel? food? with nothing to transport it cause the roads are
damaged or impassable? They don't even have the chainsaws, there was a
whole article about that, not enough chainsaws. A tree falls in my
neighborhood, there are ten chainsaws within 10 minutes onsite cutting
because theres 5-10 chainsaws per city block in garages.

this is a new logistics nightmare with 24/7 nonstop negative media coverage
on top of it

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Just saw and heard the mayor of San Juan... We need our military to deploy
> immediately to assist...they are trained and have logistics
> expertise...cruise liners could take a shitload of supplies them...damn we
> are the most powerful country and we are dropping the ball.
>
> On Sep 26, 2017 7:35 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> I saw that on news..they need gasoline for generators..I have seen the
>> COWs military uses during war games at McGregor and White Sands Missile
>> Ranges..they have a section of Fort Bliss where they store these...they
>> look like Glen Martin telescoping towers on trailers...wonder if we could
>> send some of these for rescue and recovery ?
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2017 7:17 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't
>>> lifted the act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it
>>> for Harvey and Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, the
>>> problem is, the ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and
>>> ships are queued.
>>> This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military
>>> bridging vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary
>>> docks or something.
>>>
>>> I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged
>>> tarmacs. Its almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they
>>> can move high volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys business
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster >> > wrote:
>>>
 Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA systems
 were down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS, and USPS
 are not operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are VFR only with
 very big spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami. Logistics is a
 big issue right now. I have not had any direct or specific requests from
 Gino yet.



 Thank You,

 Brian Webster

 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
 

 Cooperstown, NY 13326
 

 (607) 643-4055 Office

 (607) 435-3988 Mobile

 (208) 692-1898 Fax
 Skype: Radiowebst

 www.wirelessmapping.com

 www.Broadband-Mapping.com



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino



 How do we ship gear to Gino? Do shipments all go by plane? Boat?   And
 more help is needed there in remote areas according to Puerto Rican Club
 here in El Paso that is collecting money for relief.



 On Sep 25, 2017 10:47 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

 I am sure he serves some critical facilities.



 *From:* Steve Jones

 *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 10:33 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino



 that would be an issue to take up with WECAT, they should have contacts
 for logistics. If gino serves any critical facilities (hospitals, long term
 care, fire/rescue/ems/military/municipality/etc) stuff like that may
 be able to find its way onto military transport



 On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Mathew Howard 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Gino

[Steve Jones]

there is nowhere to park the boats Jaime. That's the problem. there are
boats sitting in the ocean with nowhere to park. its not even just lack of
docks, there is debris in the water, sunk or disabled ships in the few
areas accessible are a real risk. We are all looking at this through
landlocked eyes where theres always tons of options. The military is
leading operations, but theyre not physics magicians. 3 million people is a
lot of supplies, just in drinking water alone. then distribution if you do
get it to land. what do you send, and in what order when the fuel is
running out? a bunch of delivery trucks? so they fill the lots cause they
don't have fuel? food? with nothing to transport it cause the roads are
damaged or impassable? They don't even have the chainsaws, there was a
whole article about that, not enough chainsaws. A tree falls in my
neighborhood, there are ten chainsaws within 10 minutes onsite cutting
because theres 5-10 chainsaws per city block in garages.

this is a new logistics nightmare with 24/7 nonstop negative media coverage
on top of it

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Just saw and heard the mayor of San Juan... We need our military to deploy
> immediately to assist...they are trained and have logistics
> expertise...cruise liners could take a shitload of supplies them...damn we
> are the most powerful country and we are dropping the ball.
>
> On Sep 26, 2017 7:35 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> I saw that on news..they need gasoline for generators..I have seen the
>> COWs military uses during war games at McGregor and White Sands Missile
>> Ranges..they have a section of Fort Bliss where they store these...they
>> look like Glen Martin telescoping towers on trailers...wonder if we could
>> send some of these for rescue and recovery ?
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2017 7:17 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't
>>> lifted the act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it
>>> for Harvey and Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, the
>>> problem is, the ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and
>>> ships are queued.
>>> This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military
>>> bridging vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary
>>> docks or something.
>>>
>>> I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged
>>> tarmacs. Its almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they
>>> can move high volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys business
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster >> > wrote:
>>>
 Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA systems
 were down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS, and USPS
 are not operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are VFR only with
 very big spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami. Logistics is a
 big issue right now. I have not had any direct or specific requests from
 Gino yet.



 Thank You,

 Brian Webster

 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
 

 Cooperstown, NY 13326
 

 (607) 643-4055 Office

 (607) 435-3988 Mobile

 (208) 692-1898 Fax
 Skype: Radiowebst

 www.wirelessmapping.com

 www.Broadband-Mapping.com



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino



 How do we ship gear to Gino? Do shipments all go by plane? Boat?   And
 more help is needed there in remote areas according to Puerto Rican Club
 here in El Paso that is collecting money for relief.



 On Sep 25, 2017 10:47 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

 I am sure he serves some critical facilities.



 *From:* Steve Jones

 *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 10:33 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino



 that would be an issue to take up with WECAT, they should have contacts
 for logistics. If gino serves any critical facilities (hospitals, long term
 care, fire/rescue/ems/military/municipality/etc) stuff like that may
 be able to find its way onto military transport



 On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

 I would imagine they'd have to go by boat... not sure how quick you
 could get it there.



 On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown 

Re: [AFMUG] Gino

[Jason Wilson]

FEMA Presser Dates 9/24/17

Federal Response Teams Assisting in Puerto Rico and U.S. Virgin Islands
Release date:
September 24, 2017
Release Number:
HQ-17-138

WASHINGTON – In the wake of Hurricane Maria, life, personal safety, and
access to safe shelters for disaster survivors remain a priority of local
responders, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), and the entire
federal family.

To aid in life sustaining missions, six FEMA Urban Search and Rescue (US)
task forces are deployed to the U.S. Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico and are
working in tandem with numerous federal partners to rescue and render aid
to distressed survivors in the region.  Additional FEMA US task forces
are arriving today to expand operations, as areas become accessible. FEMA
US task forces currently conducting operations in Puerto Rico and the
U.S. Virgin Islands include Virginia Task Forces 1 and 2, Florida Task
Forces 1 and 2, and California Task Forces 6 and 7. Components of New York
Task Force 1 and Massachusetts Task Force 1 are on the ground providing
logistics support.

Federal partners assisting with Search and Rescue (SAR) missions include
the U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), U.S.
Department of Agriculture, U.S. Department of Defense (DoD), and the U.S.
Department of the Interior / National Park Service.

Collectively, these federal agencies have rescued 180 individuals and
searched more than 45 structures in Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands.

[image: five men in uniform stand around the hood of a car and look at a
piece of paper]

*FEMA Urban Search and Rescue task force members meet with local officials
on St. Croix to coordinate search and rescue operations.*

The U.S. Coast Guard is operating nine cutters in the vicinity of Puerto
Rico and U.S. Virgin Islands, bringing helicopter SAR support, while teams
from CBP are operating two P-3 maritime patrol aircraft to assist in
communications, a wide-area search, and distress signal monitoring
capabilities. An additional five flight deck-equipped cutters, five patrol
boats, four rotary wing, and one fixed wing aircraft are moving to the
vicinity of U.S. Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico to further support search
and rescue efforts.

While US teams continue targeted sweeps of the affected areas, teams from
the U.S. Forest Service (USFS) and Bureau of Land Management are providing
security and force protection to rescuers.

Department of Defense support includes helicopter SAR flights, damage
assessment flights, beach assessments, and patient evacuation flights flown
from the amphibious ships USS Kearsarge and USS Oak Hill and Marines
embarked from the 26thMarine Expeditionary Unit.

FEMA US teams are organized under the National Urban Search and Rescue
Response System, which partners federal, state and local partner emergency
response teams to create 28 US task forces. These 28 task forces are
located throughout the continental United States and can be activated to
provide assistance in survivor rescue, damage assessment, and SAR in a
water environment. The task forces deployed consist of multi-faceted, and
cross-trained personnel who service in major functional areas to include:
search, rescue, medical, hazardous materials, logistics, and planning. A
task force also includes technical specialists, such as physicians,
structural engineers, and canine search teams.

The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and the DoD conducted
medical evacuations for more than 100 patients from the islands to the
continental United States.

The National Guard Bureau (NGB) has more than 2,300 Guard members on the
ground in Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands taking part in security
and support operations. The Air National Guard is focused on transporting
food, water, and communications capabilities as well as rapidly increasing
airlift into affected areas.

FEMA, working in coordination with federal partners, provided more than
1.5-million meals, 1.1-million liters of water, nearly 300 infant and
toddler kits, and nearly 12,000 emergency roofing kits to the U.S. Virgin
Islands and Puerto Rico for distribution to the public since Hurricane
Maria’s landfall.


Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Just saw and heard the mayor of San Juan... We need our military to deploy
> immediately to assist...they are trained and have logistics
> expertise...cruise liners could take a shitload of supplies them...damn we
> are the most powerful country and we are dropping the ball.
>
> On Sep 26, 2017 7:35 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> I saw that on news..they need gasoline for generators..I have seen the
>> COWs military uses during war games at McGregor and White Sands Missile
>> Ranges..they have a section of Fort Bliss where they store 

Re: [AFMUG] Gino - status update

[Brian Webster]

Talking with Gino tonight and he is a bit overwhelmed. He asked if I could help 
and field the offers of manpower assistance, so I told him I would gladly help 
coordinate for him.

 

Here is the situation as of this point:

 

He has equipment he needs to restore his network, it’s stranded stateside now. 
I am working multiple angles to get shipment to the island, not easy right now. 
One shipment is 15 pallets weighing in at 5.3 K pounds. 

Transport to the island is the issue; see my earlier post about FAA status. If 
anyone knows of transport going to the island and has room for this stuff ping 
me. The pallets are in CA right now.

 

Until he gets equipment to the island he can’t really use much help yet. Since 
commercial flights have not resumed transportation there is also the issue.

 

 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

 

Here is the latest on the FAA situation at San Juan:

 

FAA said preliminary damage assessments have identified a number of critical 
radars and navigational aids were destroyed or disabled during the storm. The 
agency is bringing replacement systems to the islands by air and by sea to 
restore essential radar, navigation and communication services, and a 
long-range radar in Turks and Caicos was made operational Sept. 25.

 

“Technicians are making their way to a second long-range radar site today 
[Sept. 25] at Pico del Este, which is located inside a National Park in Puerto 
Rico, on the top of a mountain.,” FAA said. “The last two miles to the site 
through the rain forest are impassable, so the technicians are using chain saws 
to clear a path for themselves and the replacement equipment.”

 

FAA is unable to give an estimate for full restoration of service, citing the 
extent of the damage and the challenges of the terrain where the equipment is 
located.

 

I am in communication with Gino, he has gear stuck stateside so he and I are 
trying to figure out some logistics. It’s a lot of radios!

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

 

You're tryna tell me the Navy or CG can't do makeshift airtraffic control from 
a ship offshore?

On 9/26/2017 8:17 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't lifted the 
act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it for Harvey and 
Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, the problem is, the 
ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and ships are queued.

This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military bridging 
vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary docks or 
something.

 

I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged tarmacs. Its 
almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they can move high 
volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys business

 

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster  wrote:

Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA systems were 
down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS, and USPS are not 
operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are VFR only with very big 
spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami. Logistics is a big issue 
right now. I have not had any direct or specific requests from Gino yet.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd. 

 

Cooperstown, NY 13326 

 

(607) 643-4055   Office

(607) 435-3988   Mobile

(208) 692-1898   Fax
Skype: Radiowebst

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

 

How do we ship gear to Gino? Do shipments all go by plane? Boat?   And more 
help is needed there in remote areas according to Puerto Rican Club here in El 
Paso that is collecting money for relief. 

 

On Sep 25, 2017 10:47 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

I am sure he serves some critical facilities.  

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:33 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

 

that would be an issue to take up with WECAT, they should have contacts for 
logistics. If gino serves any critical facilities (hospitals, long term care, 
fire/rescue/ems/military/municipality/etc) 

Re: [AFMUG] Gino

[Jaime Solorza]

Just saw and heard the mayor of San Juan... We need our military to deploy
immediately to assist...they are trained and have logistics
expertise...cruise liners could take a shitload of supplies them...damn we
are the most powerful country and we are dropping the ball.

On Sep 26, 2017 7:35 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> I saw that on news..they need gasoline for generators..I have seen the
> COWs military uses during war games at McGregor and White Sands Missile
> Ranges..they have a section of Fort Bliss where they store these...they
> look like Glen Martin telescoping towers on trailers...wonder if we could
> send some of these for rescue and recovery ?
>
> On Sep 26, 2017 7:17 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't
>> lifted the act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it
>> for Harvey and Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, the
>> problem is, the ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and
>> ships are queued.
>> This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military
>> bridging vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary
>> docks or something.
>>
>> I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged
>> tarmacs. Its almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they
>> can move high volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys business
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA systems
>>> were down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS, and USPS
>>> are not operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are VFR only with
>>> very big spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami. Logistics is a
>>> big issue right now. I have not had any direct or specific requests from
>>> Gino yet.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank You,
>>>
>>> Brian Webster
>>>
>>> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
>>> 
>>>
>>> Cooperstown, NY 13326
>>> 
>>>
>>> (607) 643-4055 Office
>>>
>>> (607) 435-3988 Mobile
>>>
>>> (208) 692-1898 Fax
>>> Skype: Radiowebst
>>>
>>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>>
>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How do we ship gear to Gino? Do shipments all go by plane? Boat?   And
>>> more help is needed there in remote areas according to Puerto Rican Club
>>> here in El Paso that is collecting money for relief.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2017 10:47 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
>>> I am sure he serves some critical facilities.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 10:33 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> that would be an issue to take up with WECAT, they should have contacts
>>> for logistics. If gino serves any critical facilities (hospitals, long term
>>> care, fire/rescue/ems/military/municipality/etc) stuff like that may be
>>> able to find its way onto military transport
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would imagine they'd have to go by boat... not sure how quick you
>>> could get it there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there a way to ship you COWs?  I can build a few and send them.  Not
>>> sure if I can get them to you fast enough to help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 8:19 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Guys, we are ok, lots of damaged and downed towers (all guyded).  Need
>>> Gens, COWS and manpower (riggers, installers, etc.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Af  on behalf of Lewis Bergman <
>>> lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>>> *Date: *Monday, September 25, 2017 at 9:00 AM
>>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, exactly what I said.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>>
>>> President
>>>
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:53 AM Faisal Imtiaz 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It is nice to have deep thoughts and conversations about restoring
>>> internet service.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> May I remind everyone that, We all of the ISP/WISP/NSP are here to serve
>>> our Customers, and that is how we earn a living...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes after Natural disaster 

Re: [AFMUG] Gino

[Steve Jones]

I'm getting tired of media reports from some individual talking about how
they haven't had anyone come to offer them help. this is probably the
biggest natural disaster I can recall in my lifetime for the US. we aren't
anywhere near house to house. Even texas, if it we just the state and feds
would still be on S but another set of states had a Cajun navy within
driving distance. nothing in PR is within driving distance.
the mainland had cash reserves and infrastructure staged. what was it like
10k utility trucks staged for florida?

how do you stage on an island that's about to get decimated.

This is going to be a huge learning experience (imagine Hawaii had japan
been more effective) as a nation. there is limited overall industry
footprint for the WISP community, but rethinking is going to be key moving
forward.

I'm very happy to hear that word from Gino is still an ability to give
thought to his network, and not like a lot of individuals there whom at
this point are giving thought to surviving with no resource and no local
governmental infrastructure to reach out to, because it wasn't there before
the disaster.

they should send some tunneling machines, like they use for those massive
underwater roads and subways to build out an infrastructure backbone that's
hardened to disaster.

if they successfully mitigate their debt with the bankruptcy, make good use
of FEMA funds, and get some good representation on this big infrastructure
spend the administration is pushing. PR can walk away from this the
wealthiest non state ever

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Brian Webster 
wrote:

> Here is the latest on the FAA situation at San Juan:
>
>
>
> FAA said preliminary damage assessments have identified a number of
> critical radars and navigational aids were destroyed or disabled during the
> storm. The agency is bringing replacement systems to the islands by air and
> by sea to restore essential radar, navigation and communication services,
> and a long-range radar in Turks and Caicos was made operational Sept. 25.
>
>
>
> “Technicians are making their way to a second long-range radar site today
> [Sept. 25] at Pico del Este, which is located inside a National Park in
> Puerto Rico, on the top of a mountain.,” FAA said. “The last two miles to
> the site through the rain forest are impassable, so the technicians are
> using chain saws to clear a path for themselves and the replacement
> equipment.”
>
>
>
> FAA is unable to give an estimate for full restoration of service, citing
> the extent of the damage and the challenges of the terrain where the
> equipment is located.
>
>
>
> I am in communication with Gino, he has gear stuck stateside so he and I
> are trying to figure out some logistics. It’s a lot of radios!
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>
>
>
> You're tryna tell me the Navy or CG can't do makeshift airtraffic control
> from a ship offshore?
>
> On 9/26/2017 8:17 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't lifted
> the act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it for
> Harvey and Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, the
> problem is, the ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and
> ships are queued.
>
> This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military
> bridging vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary
> docks or something.
>
>
>
> I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged
> tarmacs. Its almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they
> can move high volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys business
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
> Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA systems
> were down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS, and USPS
> are not operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are VFR only with
> very big spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami. Logistics is a
> big issue right now. I have not had any direct or specific requests from
> Gino yet.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
> 
>
> Cooperstown, NY 13326
> 
>
> (607) 643-4055 Office
>
> (607) 435-3988 Mobile
>
> (208) 692-1898 Fax
> Skype: Radiowebst
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* 

Re: [AFMUG] Gino

[Adair Winter]

What if anything can we do to help?

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Brian Webster 
wrote:

> Here is the latest on the FAA situation at San Juan:
>
>
>
> FAA said preliminary damage assessments have identified a number of
> critical radars and navigational aids were destroyed or disabled during the
> storm. The agency is bringing replacement systems to the islands by air and
> by sea to restore essential radar, navigation and communication services,
> and a long-range radar in Turks and Caicos was made operational Sept. 25.
>
>
>
> “Technicians are making their way to a second long-range radar site today
> [Sept. 25] at Pico del Este, which is located inside a National Park in
> Puerto Rico, on the top of a mountain.,” FAA said. “The last two miles to
> the site through the rain forest are impassable, so the technicians are
> using chain saws to clear a path for themselves and the replacement
> equipment.”
>
>
>
> FAA is unable to give an estimate for full restoration of service, citing
> the extent of the damage and the challenges of the terrain where the
> equipment is located.
>
>
>
> I am in communication with Gino, he has gear stuck stateside so he and I
> are trying to figure out some logistics. It’s a lot of radios!
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>
>
>
> You're tryna tell me the Navy or CG can't do makeshift airtraffic control
> from a ship offshore?
>
> On 9/26/2017 8:17 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't lifted
> the act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it for
> Harvey and Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, the
> problem is, the ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and
> ships are queued.
>
> This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military
> bridging vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary
> docks or something.
>
>
>
> I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged
> tarmacs. Its almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they
> can move high volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys business
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
> Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA systems
> were down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS, and USPS
> are not operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are VFR only with
> very big spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami. Logistics is a
> big issue right now. I have not had any direct or specific requests from
> Gino yet.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
> 
>
> Cooperstown, NY 13326
> 
>
> (607) 643-4055 Office
>
> (607) 435-3988 Mobile
>
> (208) 692-1898 Fax
> Skype: Radiowebst
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>
>
>
> How do we ship gear to Gino? Do shipments all go by plane? Boat?   And
> more help is needed there in remote areas according to Puerto Rican Club
> here in El Paso that is collecting money for relief.
>
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2017 10:47 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> I am sure he serves some critical facilities.
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 10:33 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>
>
>
> that would be an issue to take up with WECAT, they should have contacts
> for logistics. If gino serves any critical facilities (hospitals, long term
> care, fire/rescue/ems/military/municipality/etc) stuff like that may be
> able to find its way onto military transport
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
> I would imagine they'd have to go by boat... not sure how quick you could
> get it there.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Is there a way to ship you COWs?  I can build a few and send them.  Not
> sure if I can get them to you fast enough to help.
>
>
>
> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 8:19 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>
>
>
> Guys, we are ok, lots of damaged and downed towers (all guyded).  Need
> Gens, COWS and manpower (riggers, installers, etc.)
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Lewis Bergman <
> lewis.berg...@gmail.com>

Re: [AFMUG] Gino

[Jaime Solorza]

I saw that on news..they need gasoline for generators..I have seen the COWs
military uses during war games at McGregor and White Sands Missile
Ranges..they have a section of Fort Bliss where they store these...they
look like Glen Martin telescoping towers on trailers...wonder if we could
send some of these for rescue and recovery ?

On Sep 26, 2017 7:17 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't lifted
> the act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it for
> Harvey and Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, the
> problem is, the ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and
> ships are queued.
> This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military
> bridging vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary
> docks or something.
>
> I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged
> tarmacs. Its almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they
> can move high volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys business
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA systems
>> were down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS, and USPS
>> are not operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are VFR only with
>> very big spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami. Logistics is a
>> big issue right now. I have not had any direct or specific requests from
>> Gino yet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
>> 
>>
>> Cooperstown, NY 13326
>> 
>>
>> (607) 643-4055 Office
>>
>> (607) 435-3988 Mobile
>>
>> (208) 692-1898 Fax
>> Skype: Radiowebst
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>>
>>
>>
>> How do we ship gear to Gino? Do shipments all go by plane? Boat?   And
>> more help is needed there in remote areas according to Puerto Rican Club
>> here in El Paso that is collecting money for relief.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2017 10:47 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> I am sure he serves some critical facilities.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 10:33 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>>
>>
>>
>> that would be an issue to take up with WECAT, they should have contacts
>> for logistics. If gino serves any critical facilities (hospitals, long term
>> care, fire/rescue/ems/military/municipality/etc) stuff like that may be
>> able to find its way onto military transport
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I would imagine they'd have to go by boat... not sure how quick you could
>> get it there.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> Is there a way to ship you COWs?  I can build a few and send them.  Not
>> sure if I can get them to you fast enough to help.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 8:19 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>>
>>
>>
>> Guys, we are ok, lots of damaged and downed towers (all guyded).  Need
>> Gens, COWS and manpower (riggers, installers, etc.)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Af  on behalf of Lewis Bergman <
>> lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Date: *Monday, September 25, 2017 at 9:00 AM
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>>
>>
>>
>> Yep, exactly what I said.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>
>> President
>>
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:53 AM Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>> It is nice to have deep thoughts and conversations about restoring
>> internet service.
>>
>>
>>
>> May I remind everyone that, We all of the ISP/WISP/NSP are here to serve
>> our Customers, and that is how we earn a living...
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes after Natural disaster event, there are two parallel concerns...
>>
>> One How do we bring back our service, restore the damage to our
>> Infrastructure.
>>
>> Two... What is the state of affairs of our customers ?  Do we have any
>> left who are able to use the service and pay for it ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, one can have a fully functional infrastructure, but if the Customers
>> (end users) are not in any shape to utilize it or pay for it, then such
>> functional infrastructure is of little value.
>>
>>
>>
>> (I am not being 

Re: [AFMUG] Gino

[Steve Jones]

I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't lifted
the act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it for
Harvey and Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, the
problem is, the ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and
ships are queued.
This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military
bridging vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary
docks or something.

I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged tarmacs.
Its almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they can move
high volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys business

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster 
wrote:

> Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA systems
> were down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS, and USPS
> are not operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are VFR only with
> very big spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami. Logistics is a
> big issue right now. I have not had any direct or specific requests from
> Gino yet.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
> 
>
> Cooperstown, NY 13326
> 
>
> (607) 643-4055 Office
>
> (607) 435-3988 Mobile
>
> (208) 692-1898 Fax
> Skype: Radiowebst
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>
>
>
> How do we ship gear to Gino? Do shipments all go by plane? Boat?   And
> more help is needed there in remote areas according to Puerto Rican Club
> here in El Paso that is collecting money for relief.
>
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2017 10:47 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> I am sure he serves some critical facilities.
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 10:33 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>
>
>
> that would be an issue to take up with WECAT, they should have contacts
> for logistics. If gino serves any critical facilities (hospitals, long term
> care, fire/rescue/ems/military/municipality/etc) stuff like that may be
> able to find its way onto military transport
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
> I would imagine they'd have to go by boat... not sure how quick you could
> get it there.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Is there a way to ship you COWs?  I can build a few and send them.  Not
> sure if I can get them to you fast enough to help.
>
>
>
> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 8:19 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>
>
>
> Guys, we are ok, lots of damaged and downed towers (all guyded).  Need
> Gens, COWS and manpower (riggers, installers, etc.)
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Lewis Bergman <
> lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Monday, September 25, 2017 at 9:00 AM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>
>
>
> Yep, exactly what I said.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:53 AM Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
> It is nice to have deep thoughts and conversations about restoring
> internet service.
>
>
>
> May I remind everyone that, We all of the ISP/WISP/NSP are here to serve
> our Customers, and that is how we earn a living...
>
>
>
> Yes after Natural disaster event, there are two parallel concerns...
>
> One How do we bring back our service, restore the damage to our
> Infrastructure.
>
> Two... What is the state of affairs of our customers ?  Do we have any
> left who are able to use the service and pay for it ?
>
>
>
> Yes, one can have a fully functional infrastructure, but if the Customers
> (end users) are not in any shape to utilize it or pay for it, then such
> functional infrastructure is of little value.
>
>
>
> (I am not being heartless in talking about paying customers, just pointing
> to realities of the situation.. without paying customers, non of us will be
> around... and yes we can do acts of charity, and provide free service for a
> certain duration, but at the end of the day that has to get paid somehow,
> from someone, from somewhere)
>
>
>
> These events are not short term issues.. depending on severity they true
> severity of such  disasters  unravel over a period of time... sometimes
> weeks, sometimes months, and in some cases years !
>
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & 

Re: [AFMUG] Gino

[Jaime Solorza]

Thanks

On Sep 26, 2017 7:08 PM, "Brian Webster"  wrote:

> Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA systems
> were down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS, and USPS
> are not operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are VFR only with
> very big spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami. Logistics is a
> big issue right now. I have not had any direct or specific requests from
> Gino yet.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
> 
>
> Cooperstown, NY 13326
> 
>
> (607) 643-4055 Office
>
> (607) 435-3988 Mobile
>
> (208) 692-1898 Fax
> Skype: Radiowebst
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>
>
>
> How do we ship gear to Gino? Do shipments all go by plane? Boat?   And
> more help is needed there in remote areas according to Puerto Rican Club
> here in El Paso that is collecting money for relief.
>
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2017 10:47 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> I am sure he serves some critical facilities.
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 10:33 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>
>
>
> that would be an issue to take up with WECAT, they should have contacts
> for logistics. If gino serves any critical facilities (hospitals, long term
> care, fire/rescue/ems/military/municipality/etc) stuff like that may be
> able to find its way onto military transport
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
> I would imagine they'd have to go by boat... not sure how quick you could
> get it there.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Is there a way to ship you COWs?  I can build a few and send them.  Not
> sure if I can get them to you fast enough to help.
>
>
>
> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 8:19 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>
>
>
> Guys, we are ok, lots of damaged and downed towers (all guyded).  Need
> Gens, COWS and manpower (riggers, installers, etc.)
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Lewis Bergman <
> lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Monday, September 25, 2017 at 9:00 AM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>
>
>
> Yep, exactly what I said.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:53 AM Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
> It is nice to have deep thoughts and conversations about restoring
> internet service.
>
>
>
> May I remind everyone that, We all of the ISP/WISP/NSP are here to serve
> our Customers, and that is how we earn a living...
>
>
>
> Yes after Natural disaster event, there are two parallel concerns...
>
> One How do we bring back our service, restore the damage to our
> Infrastructure.
>
> Two... What is the state of affairs of our customers ?  Do we have any
> left who are able to use the service and pay for it ?
>
>
>
> Yes, one can have a fully functional infrastructure, but if the Customers
> (end users) are not in any shape to utilize it or pay for it, then such
> functional infrastructure is of little value.
>
>
>
> (I am not being heartless in talking about paying customers, just pointing
> to realities of the situation.. without paying customers, non of us will be
> around... and yes we can do acts of charity, and provide free service for a
> certain duration, but at the end of the day that has to get paid somehow,
> from someone, from somewhere)
>
>
>
> These events are not short term issues.. depending on severity they true
> severity of such  disasters  unravel over a period of time... sometimes
> weeks, sometimes months, and in some cases years !
>
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> 
> Miami, FL 33155
> 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, September 25, 2017 8:42:30 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>
> It is possible to build an infrastructure that doesn't rely on anything
> else but what you have, just like the US militay. Problem is you would lose
> your shirt 

Re: [AFMUG] Gino

[Brian Webster]

Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA systems were 
down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS, and USPS are not 
operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are VFR only with very big 
spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami. Logistics is a big issue 
right now. I have not had any direct or specific requests from Gino yet.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

(208) 692-1898 Fax
Skype: Radiowebst

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

 

How do we ship gear to Gino? Do shipments all go by plane? Boat?   And more 
help is needed there in remote areas according to Puerto Rican Club here in El 
Paso that is collecting money for relief. 

 

On Sep 25, 2017 10:47 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

I am sure he serves some critical facilities.  

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:33 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

 

that would be an issue to take up with WECAT, they should have contacts for 
logistics. If gino serves any critical facilities (hospitals, long term care, 
fire/rescue/ems/military/municipality/etc) stuff like that may be able to find 
its way onto military transport

 

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

I would imagine they'd have to go by boat... not sure how quick you could get 
it there.

 

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Is there a way to ship you COWs?  I can build a few and send them.  Not sure if 
I can get them to you fast enough to help.  

 

From: Gino A. Villarini 

Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:19 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

 

Guys, we are ok, lots of damaged and downed towers (all guyded).  Need Gens, 
COWS and manpower (riggers, installers, etc.)

 

From: Af  on behalf of Lewis Bergman 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Monday, September 25, 2017 at 9:00 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

 

Yep, exactly what I said.

 


 

Gino A. Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:53 AM Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

It is nice to have deep thoughts and conversations about restoring internet 
service.

 

May I remind everyone that, We all of the ISP/WISP/NSP are here to serve our 
Customers, and that is how we earn a living... 

 

Yes after Natural disaster event, there are two parallel concerns... 

One How do we bring back our service, restore the damage to our 
Infrastructure.

Two... What is the state of affairs of our customers ?  Do we have any left who 
are able to use the service and pay for it ? 

 

Yes, one can have a fully functional infrastructure, but if the Customers (end 
users) are not in any shape to utilize it or pay for it, then such functional 
infrastructure is of little value.

 

(I am not being heartless in talking about paying customers, just pointing to 
realities of the situation.. without paying customers, non of us will be 
around... and yes we can do acts of charity, and provide free service for a 
certain duration, but at the end of the day that has to get paid somehow, from 
someone, from somewhere)

 

These events are not short term issues.. depending on severity they true 
severity of such  disasters  unravel over a period of time... sometimes weeks, 
sometimes months, and in some cases years !

 

Regards.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street 

 
Miami, FL 33155 

 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232  

Help-desk: (305)663-5518   Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net

 


  _  


From: "Lewis Bergman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 8:42:30 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino

It is possible to build an infrastructure that doesn't rely on anything else 
but what you have, just like the US militay. Problem is you would lose your 
shirt trying to do it. There is only so much you can do that consumers will pay 
for.

 

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 10:35 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:

Even for WISPs who are very far from the affected areas, such events are 
humbling. Customers say "your company can deliver [good, non-satellite] 
internet where no one else can", but all of us rely fully on the backbone 
internet connection, usually on a functioning power grid, and need gasoline to 
power service vehicles. Once those are gone, no matter how we 

[AFMUG] ePMP Podcast

[Mike Hammett]

We only had enough time for about half of the stuff on the agenda. I sent all 
questions we had received (and a pile of my own) to Sakid and Dmitry for them 
to address. 


http://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/thebrotheswisp-cambium-elevate-real-world-experience/
 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] Collection agency

[Jaime Solorza]

I am sure for a few six packs you can hire some guy to do your collections.

On Sep 26, 2017 2:41 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> It's for a hotel, not an ISP customer.
>
> I use Powercode but that doesn't really work for a customer that's not
> using our Internet service.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 3:54 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Not here...
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Lewis Bergman" 
>> To: 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Collection agency
>> Date: Tue, Sep 26, 2017 1:14 PM
>>
>> If you are a C corp or an LLC most states don't let you file anything
>> yourself. You have to use an attorney even in small claims court.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 12:31 PM Seth Mattinen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/26/17 10:09 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>>> > We have a local attorney that does it for us and it doesn't cost us any
>>> > money. He takes a 1/3
>>> > but it gets charged back to the customer in the end. It's been pretty
>>> > painless for us.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> Attorneys are the best way to handle it.
>>>
>>> ~Seth
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Collection agency

[Josh Luthman]

It's for a hotel, not an ISP customer.

I use Powercode but that doesn't really work for a customer that's not
using our Internet service.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 3:54 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> Not here...
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Lewis Bergman" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Collection agency
> Date: Tue, Sep 26, 2017 1:14 PM
>
> If you are a C corp or an LLC most states don't let you file anything
> yourself. You have to use an attorney even in small claims court.
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 12:31 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 9/26/17 10:09 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>> > We have a local attorney that does it for us and it doesn't cost us any
>> > money. He takes a 1/3
>> > but it gets charged back to the customer in the end. It's been pretty
>> > painless for us.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Attorneys are the best way to handle it.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Collection agency

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Not here...

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Lewis Bergman" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Collection agency
Date: Tue, Sep 26, 2017 1:14 PM

If you are a C corp or an LLC most states don't let you file anything yourself. 
You have to use an attorney even in small claims court.

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 12:31 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
On 9/26/17 10:09 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

> We have a local attorney that does it for us and it doesn't cost us any

> money. He takes a 1/3

> but it gets charged back to the customer in the end. It's been pretty

> painless for us.

>





Attorneys are the best way to handle it.



~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Collection agency

[Mitch Koep]

With Azotel

Install charge and first month collected at install

We invoice the 15th and turn off the 1st if no payment

Always month in advance

Mitch


On 9/26/2017 12:31 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 9/26/17 10:09 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
We have a local attorney that does it for us and it doesn't cost us 
any money. He takes a 1/3
but it gets charged back to the customer in the end. It's been pretty 
painless for us.





Attorneys are the best way to handle it.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Collection agency

[Lewis Bergman]

If you are a C corp or an LLC most states don't let you file anything
yourself. You have to use an attorney even in small claims court.

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 12:31 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 9/26/17 10:09 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
> > We have a local attorney that does it for us and it doesn't cost us any
> > money. He takes a 1/3
> > but it gets charged back to the customer in the end. It's been pretty
> > painless for us.
> >
>
>
> Attorneys are the best way to handle it.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] Collection agency

[Chuck McCown]

You can do it yourself for just the cost of filing.  

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:31 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Collection agency 


On 9/26/17 10:09 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
We have a local attorney that does it for us and it doesn't cost us any 
money. He takes a 1/3
but it gets charged back to the customer in the end. It's been pretty 
painless for us.





Attorneys are the best way to handle it.

~Seth

[AFMUG] cnpilot r190w wireless disconnects

[Steve Jones]

I'm testing one of these out at my house to replace the free roouters (air
router) we give our customers

I'm running 4 ESSID to monitor device type usage
all 4 use the same encryption type and are otherwise default wireless

the first essid was for phones in the house, but what we are seeing is
constant connect/disconnect on the devices, like sitting there the
notification pops up like every three seconds

move to essid 2-4 and there is no issue

is this some sort of bug? the wireless doesn't seem to be syslogged (I did
like ubnt logs, they were helpful)

also, is there a way in the router to view realtime usage like the air
router?

Re: [AFMUG] Collection agency

[Seth Mattinen]

On 9/26/17 10:09 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
We have a local attorney that does it for us and it doesn't cost us any 
money. He takes a 1/3
but it gets charged back to the customer in the end. It's been pretty 
painless for us.





Attorneys are the best way to handle it.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Collection agency

[David Coudron]

We have been very happy with Powercode and avoiding it all together.   They get 
turned off after 5 days if they haven’t paid automatically.   The vast majority 
take care if it right away.   Others might go a day or two, but we never have 
to intervene at all.  However, we don’t have large business customers, it is 
all small business or residential.   We have never had anyone that didn’t take 
care of it themselves, but if it happened, we would just notify them after 30 
days of the service being turned off that we would be out to pick up the 
equipment.  Everything we have is month to month, so there are never any 
contracts that customers owe on.

Regards,

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 
612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc. [cid:image001.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0] 
   
[cid:image002.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0]    
[cid:image003.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0]    
[cid:image004.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0] 
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, 
Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  |  
www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  
Local: 612-454-1545

[cid:image005.jpg@01D336C1.00D34470]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 12:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Collection agency

We have a local attorney that does it for us and it doesn't cost us any money. 
He takes a 1/3
but it gets charged back to the customer in the end. It's been pretty painless 
for us.

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
Do you even PowerCode, bro?


;-)


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Midwest Internet Exchange
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The Brothers WISP
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]




From: "Josh Luthman" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:46:38 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Collection agency

Does anyone use one?  Any recommendations?

I just want to give up the agreements/money owed and have some other agency 
spend their time calling to get the money owed to us.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne 
St
Suite 
1337
Troy, OH 
45373

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

[Jaime Solorza]

Oh man..wait till Chuck starts using Tweeter...Calgon take me away!!

On Sep 26, 2017 9:25 AM, "Simon Westlake"  wrote:

We didn't buy Powercode, Chuck is just causing trouble.


On 9/26/2017 10:19 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


With sonar, wispmon, and powercode, I don't understand how they'll have
time to maintain three code bases.
Obviously Simon is the superhero I always thought he was

I'd love to see that redbull fridge now


- Original Message -
*From:* Simon Westlake 
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:30 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers starts now..

On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

A dangerous prank.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

Hey all,

Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar has
acquired PowerCode* (https://sonar.software/blog/
2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode) and we'll be reaching out to all
the existing PowerCode customers today to discuss the transition process.

We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of PowerCode
are both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are both going to
do great things. If you're currently using PowerCode, you'll receive a
direct email shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as quickly as we can to
discuss details.

Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar booth as
well, so please come by and say hi!

-- 
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software



* fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...




-- 
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software


-- 
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Collection agency

[can...@believewireless.net]

We have a local attorney that does it for us and it doesn't cost us any
money. He takes a 1/3
but it gets charged back to the customer in the end. It's been pretty
painless for us.

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Do you even PowerCode, bro?
>
>
> ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:46:38 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Collection agency
>
> Does anyone use one?  Any recommendations?
>
> I just want to give up the agreements/money owed and have some other
> agency spend their time calling to get the money owed to us.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Collection agency

[Lewis Bergman]

How much money are you talking about? I can't imagine it is worth doing
anything about other than writing a nasty gram and adding the person and
their address to your "Do Not Service" list.

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 12:02 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I assume you guys are much bigger than us to see enough claims to make it
> even worth pursuing, either that or we are sow awesome and known for
> violence people just pay. I think we maybe write off 2 or 3 accounts in a
> year at most
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> We trained up an employee to master the small claims process.  It seemed
>> to be the best value.
>>
>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:54 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Collection agency
>>
>>
>> we bebopped through a few before actually tasking an office person to
>> work through our accounts and send them letters.
>> after 3 letters (i think it is) we open a case against them in small
>> claims court.
>> seems to be working well for us for the last 2-3 years.  provided an
>> additonal part time job and a backup phone person
>> during peak times.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:46 AM
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Collection agency
>>
>> Does anyone use one?  Any recommendations?
>>
>> I just want to give up the agreements/money owed and have some other
>> agency spend their time calling to get the money owed to us.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Collection agency

[Mike Hammett]

Do you even PowerCode, bro? 


;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:46:38 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Collection agency 


Does anyone use one? Any recommendations? 


I just want to give up the agreements/money owed and have some other agency 
spend their time calling to get the money owed to us. 





Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

Re: [AFMUG] Collection agency

[Steve Jones]

I assume you guys are much bigger than us to see enough claims to make it
even worth pursuing, either that or we are sow awesome and known for
violence people just pay. I think we maybe write off 2 or 3 accounts in a
year at most

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> We trained up an employee to master the small claims process.  It seemed
> to be the best value.
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Collection agency
>
>
> we bebopped through a few before actually tasking an office person to work
> through our accounts and send them letters.
> after 3 letters (i think it is) we open a case against them in small
> claims court.
> seems to be working well for us for the last 2-3 years.  provided an
> additonal part time job and a backup phone person
> during peak times.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:46 AM
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Collection agency
>
> Does anyone use one?  Any recommendations?
>
> I just want to give up the agreements/money owed and have some other
> agency spend their time calling to get the money owed to us.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Collection agency

[Chuck McCown]

We trained up an employee to master the small claims process.  It seemed to be 
the best value.  

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Collection agency


we bebopped through a few before actually tasking an office person to work 
through our accounts and send them letters.
after 3 letters (i think it is) we open a case against them in small claims 
court. 
seems to be working well for us for the last 2-3 years.  provided an additonal 
part time job and a backup phone person
during peak times.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:46 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Collection agency

  Does anyone use one?  Any recommendations? 

  I just want to give up the agreements/money owed and have some other agency 
spend their time calling to get the money owed to us.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Collection agency

[Steve Jones]

independent collection agents are pretty effective

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Does anyone use one?  Any recommendations?
>
> I just want to give up the agreements/money owed and have some other
> agency spend their time calling to get the money owed to us.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Collection agency

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

we bebopped through a few before actually tasking an office person to work 
through our accounts and send them letters.
after 3 letters (i think it is) we open a case against them in small claims 
court. 
seems to be working well for us for the last 2-3 years.  provided an additonal 
part time job and a backup phone person
during peak times.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:46 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Collection agency


  Does anyone use one?  Any recommendations?


  I just want to give up the agreements/money owed and have some other agency 
spend their time calling to get the money owed to us.



  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

[AFMUG] Collection agency

[Josh Luthman]

Does anyone use one?  Any recommendations?

I just want to give up the agreements/money owed and have some other agency
spend their time calling to get the money owed to us.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] powercode bmu specs

[Steve Jones]

just got off the phone with them, it looks promising, resolves some major
limitations. I may end up putting a couple of ours in play today or
tomorrow just to offset load

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Christopher Tyler <
ch...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote:

> Don't know about any documentation but we will be testing out the Mikrotik
> "BMU" as soon as we can.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve Jones" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:00:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] powercode bmu specs
>
> is there any documentation now anywhere? I cant find anything outside
> change logs and videos.
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> > yeah, mikrotik used to be an option when imagestream was an option
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Back?  No.  Never had Mikrotik.  In ancient times it was CentOS, then
> >> ImageStream, then their own.
> >>
> >> You'll still need a BMU of sorts for SNMP, monitoring, etc but the
> duties
> >> of queues/routes/redirect/packet pushing are the bigger demands.
> >>
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >>  +OH+45373=gmail=g>
> >> Suite 1337
> >>  +OH+45373=gmail=g>
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>  +OH+45373=gmail=g>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Steve Jones <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> theyre going back to mikrotiks?
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Josh Luthman <
> >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Mikrotik integrated is starting, I'd wait until that's done and avoid
>  buying an official "BMU".
> 
> 
>  Josh Luthman
>  Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>  Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>  1100 Wayne St
>   +OH+45373=gmail=g>
>  Suite 1337
>   +OH+45373=gmail=g>
>  Troy, OH 45373
>   +OH+45373=gmail=g>
> 
>  On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:22 PM, Steve Jones <
>  thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I'm pushing our infrastructure over to the lighter used NX216 so at
> > least the monitoring offloads. but I have to say, it really pisses a
> guy
> > off when hardware specs are removed, really pisses the guy off.
> >
> > weve been running 750 or so through this one, but bandwidth has
> > increased. As best I can tell its not heavy, like 20kpps if I'm
> > understanding the attacked MT correctly.
> >
> > This started with monitoring anomalies, high pings on monitoring
> > devices on the BMU, but no customer impact, now its croaking customer
> > latencies.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Adair Winter <
> > ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I think we started having issues around 600 or 800 subs on our NX216
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:14 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> >> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> i have heard rumor you might have problems with a nx216 with 500 or
> >>> so accounts or higher.
> >>> the symptom is when you see "bmu queue" counter start being
> high(er)
> >>> on your billing server.
> >>> we have not run into this yet and are still on a nx216 - close to
> >>> 700 customers i think.
> >>>
> >>> we have been adding and removing a lot (of customers) lately
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - Original Message -
> >>> *From:* Steve Jones 
> >>> *To:* af@afmug.com
> >>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 8:47 PM
> >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] powercode bmu specs
> >>>
> >>> anybody know where the hardware details are? I think we outgrew a
> >>> bmu, but with the whole new nonsense website and haphazard
> tertiary sites I
> >>> don't seem to be able to find any specs
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Adair Winter
> >> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
> >> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
> >> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
> >> http://www.amarillowireless.net
> >> 
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
> >>>
> >>
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] powercode bmu specs

[Christopher Tyler]

Don't know about any documentation but we will be testing out the Mikrotik 
"BMU" as soon as we can.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:00:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] powercode bmu specs

is there any documentation now anywhere? I cant find anything outside
change logs and videos.

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> yeah, mikrotik used to be an option when imagestream was an option
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Back?  No.  Never had Mikrotik.  In ancient times it was CentOS, then
>> ImageStream, then their own.
>>
>> You'll still need a BMU of sorts for SNMP, monitoring, etc but the duties
>> of queues/routes/redirect/packet pushing are the bigger demands.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> theyre going back to mikrotiks?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Mikrotik integrated is starting, I'd wait until that's done and avoid
 buying an official "BMU".


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
 Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
 1100 Wayne St
 
 Suite 1337
 
 Troy, OH 45373
 

 On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:22 PM, Steve Jones <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm pushing our infrastructure over to the lighter used NX216 so at
> least the monitoring offloads. but I have to say, it really pisses a guy
> off when hardware specs are removed, really pisses the guy off.
>
> weve been running 750 or so through this one, but bandwidth has
> increased. As best I can tell its not heavy, like 20kpps if I'm
> understanding the attacked MT correctly.
>
> This started with monitoring anomalies, high pings on monitoring
> devices on the BMU, but no customer impact, now its croaking customer
> latencies.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Adair Winter <
> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>
>> I think we started having issues around 600 or 800 subs on our NX216
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:14 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> i have heard rumor you might have problems with a nx216 with 500 or
>>> so accounts or higher.
>>> the symptom is when you see "bmu queue" counter start being high(er)
>>> on your billing server.
>>> we have not run into this yet and are still on a nx216 - close to
>>> 700 customers i think.
>>>
>>> we have been adding and removing a lot (of customers) lately
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Steve Jones 
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 8:47 PM
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] powercode bmu specs
>>>
>>> anybody know where the hardware details are? I think we outgrew a
>>> bmu, but with the whole new nonsense website and haphazard tertiary 
>>> sites I
>>> don't seem to be able to find any specs
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Adair Winter
>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
>> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
>> http://www.amarillowireless.net
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] powercode bmu specs

[Steve Jones]

is there any documentation now anywhere? I cant find anything outside
change logs and videos.

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> yeah, mikrotik used to be an option when imagestream was an option
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Back?  No.  Never had Mikrotik.  In ancient times it was CentOS, then
>> ImageStream, then their own.
>>
>> You'll still need a BMU of sorts for SNMP, monitoring, etc but the duties
>> of queues/routes/redirect/packet pushing are the bigger demands.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> theyre going back to mikrotiks?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Mikrotik integrated is starting, I'd wait until that's done and avoid
 buying an official "BMU".


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
 Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
 1100 Wayne St
 
 Suite 1337
 
 Troy, OH 45373
 

 On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:22 PM, Steve Jones <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm pushing our infrastructure over to the lighter used NX216 so at
> least the monitoring offloads. but I have to say, it really pisses a guy
> off when hardware specs are removed, really pisses the guy off.
>
> weve been running 750 or so through this one, but bandwidth has
> increased. As best I can tell its not heavy, like 20kpps if I'm
> understanding the attacked MT correctly.
>
> This started with monitoring anomalies, high pings on monitoring
> devices on the BMU, but no customer impact, now its croaking customer
> latencies.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Adair Winter <
> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>
>> I think we started having issues around 600 or 800 subs on our NX216
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:14 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> i have heard rumor you might have problems with a nx216 with 500 or
>>> so accounts or higher.
>>> the symptom is when you see "bmu queue" counter start being high(er)
>>> on your billing server.
>>> we have not run into this yet and are still on a nx216 - close to
>>> 700 customers i think.
>>>
>>> we have been adding and removing a lot (of customers) lately
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Steve Jones 
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 8:47 PM
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] powercode bmu specs
>>>
>>> anybody know where the hardware details are? I think we outgrew a
>>> bmu, but with the whole new nonsense website and haphazard tertiary 
>>> sites I
>>> don't seem to be able to find any specs
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Adair Winter
>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
>> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
>> http://www.amarillowireless.net
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

[Jay Weekley]

Redbull is a gateway drug.

Steve Jones wrote:

simon has aged a bit, and moved on from redbull


On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:19 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:


With sonar, wispmon, and powercode, I don't understand how they'll
have time to maintain three code bases.
Obviously Simon is the superhero I always thought he was
I'd love to see that redbull fridge now

- Original Message -
*From:* Simon Westlake 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:30 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers starts now..

On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

A dangerous prank.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode


Hey all,

Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does
- Sonar has acquired PowerCode*
(https://sonar.software/blog/2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode
)
and we'll be reaching out to all the existing PowerCode
customers today to discuss the transition process.

We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and
Georgette of PowerCode are both joining the Sonar team, and
I'm confident they are both going to do great things. If
you're currently using PowerCode, you'll receive a direct
email shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as quickly as
we can to discuss details.

Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the
Sonar booth as well, so please come by and say hi!
-- 
Simon Westlake

Email:simon@sonar.software
Phone:(702) 447-1247   US /(780) 900-1180 
  CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software
  
* fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...
  


-- 
Simon Westlake

Email:simon@sonar.software 
Phone:(702) 447-1247   US /(780) 900-1180 
  CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software



 
	Virus-free. www.avg.com 
 



<#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

[Simon Westlake]

OK, just wanted to make sure ;)

On 9/26/2017 10:29 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

I know :)

- Original Message -
*From:* Simon Westlake 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:25 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

We didn't buy Powercode, Chuck is just causing trouble.

On 9/26/2017 10:19 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

With sonar, wispmon, and powercode, I don't understand how
they'll have time to maintain three code bases.
Obviously Simon is the superhero I always thought he was
I'd love to see that redbull fridge now

- Original Message -
*From:* Simon Westlake 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:30 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers starts now..

On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

A dangerous prank.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode


Hey all,

Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does
- Sonar has acquired PowerCode*
(https://sonar.software/blog/2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode)
and we'll be reaching out to all the existing PowerCode
customers today to discuss the transition process.

We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and
Georgette of PowerCode are both joining the Sonar team, and
I'm confident they are both going to do great things. If
you're currently using PowerCode, you'll receive a direct
email shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as quickly as
we can to discuss details.

Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the
Sonar booth as well, so please come by and say hi!
-- 
Simon Westlake

Email:simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software
  
* fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...
  


-- 
Simon Westlake

Email:simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
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The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software



-- 
Simon Westlake

Email:simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software



--
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I know :)

  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Westlake 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode


  We didn't buy Powercode, Chuck is just causing trouble.


  On 9/26/2017 10:19 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


With sonar, wispmon, and powercode, I don't understand how they'll have 
time to maintain three code bases.
Obviously Simon is the superhero I always thought he was

I'd love to see that redbull fridge now

  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Westlake 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode


  Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers starts now..


  On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

A dangerous prank.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode


  Hey all,

  Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar 
has acquired PowerCode* 
(https://sonar.software/blog/2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode) and we'll 
be reaching out to all the existing PowerCode customers today to discuss the 
transition process. 

  We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of 
PowerCode are both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are both 
going to do great things. If you're currently using PowerCode, you'll receive a 
direct email shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as quickly as we can to 
discuss details.

  Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar 
booth as well, so please come by and say hi! 
-- 
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software * fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun 
for the day... 

-- 
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

-- 
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

[Steve Jones]

simon has aged a bit, and moved on from redbull


On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:19 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
> With sonar, wispmon, and powercode, I don't understand how they'll have
> time to maintain three code bases.
> Obviously Simon is the superhero I always thought he was
>
> I'd love to see that redbull fridge now
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Simon Westlake 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:30 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode
>
> Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers starts now..
>
> On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> A dangerous prank.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode
>
> Hey all,
>
> Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar has
> acquired PowerCode* (https://sonar.software/blog/
> 2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode) and we'll be reaching out to all
> the existing PowerCode customers today to discuss the transition process.
>
> We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of
> PowerCode are both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are both
> going to do great things. If you're currently using PowerCode, you'll
> receive a direct email shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as quickly as
> we can to discuss details.
>
> Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar booth as
> well, so please come by and say hi!
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>
>
> * fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...
>
>
>
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Gino

[Jaime Solorza]

How do we ship gear to Gino? Do shipments all go by plane? Boat?   And more
help is needed there in remote areas according to Puerto Rican Club here in
El Paso that is collecting money for relief.

On Sep 25, 2017 10:47 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I am sure he serves some critical facilities.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 10:33 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>
> that would be an issue to take up with WECAT, they should have contacts
> for logistics. If gino serves any critical facilities (hospitals, long term
> care, fire/rescue/ems/military/municipality/etc) stuff like that may be
> able to find its way onto military transport
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> I would imagine they'd have to go by boat... not sure how quick you could
>> get it there.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a way to ship you COWs?  I can build a few and send them.  Not
>>> sure if I can get them to you fast enough to help.
>>>
>>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 8:19 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>>>
>>> Guys, we are ok, lots of damaged and downed towers (all guyded).  Need
>>> Gens, COWS and manpower (riggers, installers, etc.)
>>>
>>> From: Af  on behalf of Lewis Bergman <
>>> lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Date: Monday, September 25, 2017 at 9:00 AM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>>>
>>> Yep, exactly what I said.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:53 AM Faisal Imtiaz 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It is nice to have deep thoughts and conversations about restoring
 internet service.

 May I remind everyone that, We all of the ISP/WISP/NSP are here to
 serve our Customers, and that is how we earn a living...

 Yes after Natural disaster event, there are two parallel concerns...
 One How do we bring back our service, restore the damage to our
 Infrastructure.
 Two... What is the state of affairs of our customers ?  Do we have any
 left who are able to use the service and pay for it ?

 Yes, one can have a fully functional infrastructure, but if the
 Customers (end users) are not in any shape to utilize it or pay for it,
 then such functional infrastructure is of little value.

 (I am not being heartless in talking about paying customers, just
 pointing to realities of the situation.. without paying customers, non of
 us will be around... and yes we can do acts of charity, and provide free
 service for a certain duration, but at the end of the day that has to get
 paid somehow, from someone, from somewhere)

 These events are not short term issues.. depending on severity they
 true severity of such  disasters  unravel over a period of time...
 sometimes weeks, sometimes months, and in some cases years !

 Regards.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 
 Miami, FL 33155
 
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
 supp...@snappytelecom.net

 --

 *From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, September 25, 2017 8:42:30 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gino

 It is possible to build an infrastructure that doesn't rely on anything
 else but what you have, just like the US militay. Problem is you would lose
 your shirt trying to do it. There is only so much you can do that consumers
 will pay for.


 On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 10:35 PM Colin Stanners 
 wrote:

 Even for WISPs who are very far from the affected areas, such events
> are humbling. Customers say "your company can deliver [good, 
> non-satellite]
> internet where no one else can", but all of us rely fully on the backbone
> internet connection, usually on a functioning power grid, and need 
> gasoline
> to power service vehicles. Once those are gone, no matter how we wish or
> pray, everything is dead in the water.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Craig House  > wrote:
>
>> I'm in st Thomas and have been here a week helping a WISP and general
>> cleanup like orphanages   The power is the major issue.  All poles and
>> utilities are offline outside of the major port area that has 

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

[Simon Westlake]

We didn't buy Powercode, Chuck is just causing trouble.

On 9/26/2017 10:19 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
With sonar, wispmon, and powercode, I don't understand how they'll 
have time to maintain three code bases.

Obviously Simon is the superhero I always thought he was
I'd love to see that redbull fridge now

- Original Message -
*From:* Simon Westlake 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:30 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers starts now..

On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

A dangerous prank.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode


Hey all,

Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does -
Sonar has acquired PowerCode*
(https://sonar.software/blog/2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode)
and we'll be reaching out to all the existing PowerCode
customers today to discuss the transition process.

We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette
of PowerCode are both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident
they are both going to do great things. If you're currently
using PowerCode, you'll receive a direct email shortly, and
we'll be calling everyone as quickly as we can to discuss details.

Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar
booth as well, so please come by and say hi!
-- 
Simon Westlake

Email:simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software
  
* fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...
  


-- 
Simon Westlake

Email:simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software



--
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

With sonar, wispmon, and powercode, I don't understand how they'll have time to 
maintain three code bases.
Obviously Simon is the superhero I always thought he was

I'd love to see that redbull fridge now

  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Westlake 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 9:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode


  Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers starts now..


  On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

A dangerous prank.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode


  Hey all,

  Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar has 
acquired PowerCode* 
(https://sonar.software/blog/2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode) and we'll 
be reaching out to all the existing PowerCode customers today to discuss the 
transition process. 

  We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of 
PowerCode are both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are both 
going to do great things. If you're currently using PowerCode, you'll receive a 
direct email shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as quickly as we can to 
discuss details.

  Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar booth as 
well, so please come by and say hi! 
-- 
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software * fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun 
for the day... 

-- 
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

[Mathew Howard]

Gotta admit, it was funny fake news...

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Chuck!
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:28 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode
>
>
>
> Hey all,
>
> Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar has
> acquired PowerCode* (https://sonar.software/blog/
> 2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode) and we'll be reaching out to all
> the existing PowerCode customers today to discuss the transition process.
>
> We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of
> PowerCode are both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are both
> going to do great things. If you're currently using PowerCode, you'll
> receive a direct email shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as quickly as
> we can to discuss details.
>
> Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar booth as
> well, so please come by and say hi!
>
> --
>
> Simon Westlake
>
> Email: simon@sonar.software
>
> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
>
> ---
>
> Sonar Software Inc
>
> The future of ISP billing and OSS
>
> https://sonar.software
>
>
>
> * fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

[Mitch Koep]

LOL

Thank goodness I use Azotel


On 9/26/2017 9:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

I just peed a little

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


One billing system to rule them all.

On Sep 26, 2017, at 10:30, > > wrote:


I did it, please don’t blame Simon!!!
*From:* Simon Westlake
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 8:30 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode
Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers starts now..

On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

A dangerous prank.
-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

Hey all,

Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does -
Sonar has acquired PowerCode*
(https://sonar.software/blog/2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode
)
and we'll be reaching out to all the existing PowerCode
customers today to discuss the transition process.

We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette
of PowerCode are both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident
they are both going to do great things. If you're currently
using PowerCode, you'll receive a direct email shortly, and
we'll be calling everyone as quickly as we can to discuss details.

Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the
Sonar booth as well, so please come by and say hi!
-- 
Simon Westlake

Email:simon@sonar.software
Phone:(702) 447-1247   US /(780) 900-1180 
  CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software
  
* fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...
  


-- 
Simon Westlake

Email:simon@sonar.software
Phone:(702) 447-1247   US /(780) 900-1180 
  CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

[Paul McCall]

Chuck!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

Hey all,

Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar has 
acquired PowerCode* 
(https://sonar.software/blog/2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode) and we'll 
be reaching out to all the existing PowerCode customers today to discuss the 
transition process.

We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of PowerCode are 
both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are both going to do great 
things. If you're currently using PowerCode, you'll receive a direct email 
shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as quickly as we can to discuss details.

Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar booth as well, 
so please come by and say hi!

--

Simon Westlake

Email: simon@sonar.software

Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA

---

Sonar Software Inc

The future of ISP billing and OSS

https://sonar.software



* fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

[Steve Jones]

I just peed a little

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> One billing system to rule them all.
>
> On Sep 26, 2017, at 10:30,   wrote:
>
> I did it, please don’t blame Simon!!!
>
> *From:* Simon Westlake
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 8:30 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode
>
> Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers starts now..
>
> On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> A dangerous prank.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode
>
>
> Hey all,
>
> Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar has
> acquired PowerCode* (https://sonar.software/blog/
> 2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode) and we'll be reaching out to all
> the existing PowerCode customers today to discuss the transition process.
>
> We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of
> PowerCode are both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are both
> going to do great things. If you're currently using PowerCode, you'll
> receive a direct email shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as quickly as
> we can to discuss details.
>
> Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar booth as
> well, so please come by and say hi!
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>
>
> * fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...
>
>
>
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

[Matt Hoppes]

One billing system to rule them all. 

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 10:30,   wrote:
> 
> I did it, please don’t blame Simon!!!
>  
> From: Simon Westlake
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 8:30 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode
>  
> Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers starts now..
> 
>> On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> A dangerous prank.
>>  
>>  
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode
>>  
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar has 
>>> acquired PowerCode* 
>>> (https://sonar.software/blog/2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode) and 
>>> we'll be reaching out to all the existing PowerCode customers today to 
>>> discuss the transition process. 
>>> 
>>> We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of PowerCode 
>>> are both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are both going to 
>>> do great things. If you're currently using PowerCode, you'll receive a 
>>> direct email shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as quickly as we can to 
>>> discuss details.
>>> 
>>> Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar booth as 
>>> well, so please come by and say hi!
>>> -- 
>>> Simon Westlake
>>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
>>> ---
>>> Sonar Software Inc
>>> The future of ISP billing and OSS
>>> https://sonar.software
>>>  
>>> * fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...
>>>  
> 
> -- 
> Simon Westlake
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSS
> https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] powercode bmu specs

[Steve Jones]

yeah, mikrotik used to be an option when imagestream was an option

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Back?  No.  Never had Mikrotik.  In ancient times it was CentOS, then
> ImageStream, then their own.
>
> You'll still need a BMU of sorts for SNMP, monitoring, etc but the duties
> of queues/routes/redirect/packet pushing are the bigger demands.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> theyre going back to mikrotiks?
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mikrotik integrated is starting, I'd wait until that's done and avoid
>>> buying an official "BMU".
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:22 PM, Steve Jones >> > wrote:
>>>
 I'm pushing our infrastructure over to the lighter used NX216 so at
 least the monitoring offloads. but I have to say, it really pisses a guy
 off when hardware specs are removed, really pisses the guy off.

 weve been running 750 or so through this one, but bandwidth has
 increased. As best I can tell its not heavy, like 20kpps if I'm
 understanding the attacked MT correctly.

 This started with monitoring anomalies, high pings on monitoring
 devices on the BMU, but no customer impact, now its croaking customer
 latencies.





 On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Adair Winter <
 ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:

> I think we started having issues around 600 or 800 subs on our NX216
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:14 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> i have heard rumor you might have problems with a nx216 with 500 or
>> so accounts or higher.
>> the symptom is when you see "bmu queue" counter start being high(er)
>> on your billing server.
>> we have not run into this yet and are still on a nx216 - close to 700
>> customers i think.
>>
>> we have been adding and removing a lot (of customers) lately
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Steve Jones 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 8:47 PM
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] powercode bmu specs
>>
>> anybody know where the hardware details are? I think we outgrew a
>> bmu, but with the whole new nonsense website and haphazard tertiary 
>> sites I
>> don't seem to be able to find any specs
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Adair Winter
> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
> http://www.amarillowireless.net
> 
>
>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

[chuck]

I did it, please don’t blame Simon!!!

From: Simon Westlake 
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 8:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers starts now..


On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

  A dangerous prank.


  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

Hey all,

Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar has 
acquired PowerCode* 
(https://sonar.software/blog/2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode) and we'll 
be reaching out to all the existing PowerCode customers today to discuss the 
transition process. 

We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of PowerCode 
are both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are both going to do 
great things. If you're currently using PowerCode, you'll receive a direct 
email shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as quickly as we can to discuss 
details.

Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar booth as 
well, so please come by and say hi! 
-- 
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software * fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun 
for the day... 

-- 
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

[Simon Westlake]

Countdown until I get a call from my lawyers starts now..

On 9/26/2017 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

A dangerous prank.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode


Hey all,

Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar 
has acquired PowerCode* 
(https://sonar.software/blog/2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode) 
and we'll be reaching out to all the existing PowerCode customers 
today to discuss the transition process.


We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of 
PowerCode are both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are 
both going to do great things. If you're currently using PowerCode, 
you'll receive a direct email shortly, and we'll be calling everyone 
as quickly as we can to discuss details.


Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar 
booth as well, so please come by and say hi!

--
Simon Westlake
Email:simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software
  
* fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...
  


--
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

[Adair Winter]

#fakenews

On Sep 26, 2017 9:28 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> A dangerous prank.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode
>
> Hey all,
>
> Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar has
> acquired PowerCode* (https://sonar.software/blog/
> 2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode) and we'll be reaching out to all
> the existing PowerCode customers today to discuss the transition process.
>
> We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of
> PowerCode are both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are both
> going to do great things. If you're currently using PowerCode, you'll
> receive a direct email shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as quickly as
> we can to discuss details.
>
> Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar booth as
> well, so please come by and say hi!
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>
>
> * fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

[Adam Moffett]

A dangerous prank.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/26/2017 10:28:04 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode


Hey all,

Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar has 
acquired PowerCode* 
(https://sonar.software/blog/2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode) 
and we'll be reaching out to all the existing PowerCode customers today 
to discuss the transition process.


We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of 
PowerCode are both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are 
both going to do great things. If you're currently using PowerCode, 
you'll receive a direct email shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as 
quickly as we can to discuss details.


Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar booth 
as well, so please come by and say hi!

--
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

* fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun for the day...

[AFMUG] We've acquired PowerCode

[chuck]

Hey all,

Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar has 
acquired PowerCode* 
(https://sonar.software/blog/2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-powercode) and we'll 
be reaching out to all the existing PowerCode customers today to discuss the 
transition process. 

We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of PowerCode are 
both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are both going to do great 
things. If you're currently using PowerCode, you'll receive a direct email 
shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as quickly as we can to discuss details.

Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar booth as well, 
so please come by and say hi! 
-- 
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software * fake news generated by Chuck McCown to create some fun 
for the day... 

Re: [AFMUG] powercode bmu specs

[Josh Luthman]

Back?  No.  Never had Mikrotik.  In ancient times it was CentOS, then
ImageStream, then their own.

You'll still need a BMU of sorts for SNMP, monitoring, etc but the duties
of queues/routes/redirect/packet pushing are the bigger demands.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> theyre going back to mikrotiks?
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Mikrotik integrated is starting, I'd wait until that's done and avoid
>> buying an official "BMU".
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:22 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm pushing our infrastructure over to the lighter used NX216 so at
>>> least the monitoring offloads. but I have to say, it really pisses a guy
>>> off when hardware specs are removed, really pisses the guy off.
>>>
>>> weve been running 750 or so through this one, but bandwidth has
>>> increased. As best I can tell its not heavy, like 20kpps if I'm
>>> understanding the attacked MT correctly.
>>>
>>> This started with monitoring anomalies, high pings on monitoring devices
>>> on the BMU, but no customer impact, now its croaking customer latencies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Adair Winter <
>>> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>>>
 I think we started having issues around 600 or 800 subs on our NX216


 On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:14 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
 par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
> i have heard rumor you might have problems with a nx216 with 500 or so
> accounts or higher.
> the symptom is when you see "bmu queue" counter start being high(er)
> on your billing server.
> we have not run into this yet and are still on a nx216 - close to 700
> customers i think.
>
> we have been adding and removing a lot (of customers) lately
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Steve Jones 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 8:47 PM
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] powercode bmu specs
>
> anybody know where the hardware details are? I think we outgrew a bmu,
> but with the whole new nonsense website and haphazard tertiary sites I
> don't seem to be able to find any specs
>
>


 --

 Adair Winter
 VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
 Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
 C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
 http://www.amarillowireless.net
 



>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: We've acquired WispMon - please read!

[Simon Westlake]

I think everyone will end up very happy, Matt is just a sourpuss.

On 9/26/2017 9:12 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

I think I would probably be happy if I was a WISPMon customer.

On Sep 26, 2017, at 9:03 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:



Well glad I didn't go with wisp mom.

On Sep 26, 2017, at 08:42, Mike Hammett > wrote:







-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Sonar" >
*To: *"Mike Hammett" >

*Sent: *Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:39:04 AM
*Subject: *We've acquired WispMon - please read!

We've acquired WispMon - please read! Sonar has acquired WispMon, 
and we're looking forward to bringing you onboard.




Welcome to the Sonar family!

I'm pleased to announce that we've acquired WispMon, and we're happy 
to welcome you to the Sonar 
 
family. Alex from the Sonar team will be reaching out to you shortly 
to discuss your transition from WispMon to Sonar, but I want to 
assure you that for right now, it is business as usual. The WispMon 
staff are still in place to support you - both now, and throughout 
the transition, and we'll be working closely with you to ensure your 
migration is seamless and worry free.


I'm sure you have tons of questions, and we want to answer them. We 
have four webinars scheduled this week that will introduce you to 
Sonar, if you're not familiar with it already. We'll also be calling 
you directly to introduce ourselves, and start a conversation about 
the transition process.


If you'd like to start learning more about Sonar, we have a lot of 
resources available. Our Sonar Casts 
 
provide video training on all the different Sonar modules, and 
there's a wealth of information available on our website 
. 
I'm confident you'll be excited about the potential of this move - 
from talking to Cameron and the other staff members at WispMon about 
the oustanding feature requests they have, I'm positive you'll be 
happy with the improved features and functionality available in 
Sonar, and that they'll bring a significant improvement to your 
daily operations.


We'd love to see you at one of the webinars we have scheduled this 
week, where we'll do a high level run through of Sonar, and talk 
about some of our advanced modules and features, such as our 
scheduling, ticketing, and network monitoring modules. *Please pick 
from one of the webinar times below to register*:


  * Thursday 9AM


  * Thursday 2PM


  * Friday 9AM


  * Friday 2PM




We'll be in touch soon, and I'm looking forward to you becoming part 
of the Sonar community. We'll be in Vegas at WISPAPALOOZA 
 
in a couple of weeks, along with Cameron and Georgette from WispMon 
- I hope to see you there!


 



 



 



 






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Re: [AFMUG] powercode bmu specs

[Steve Jones]

theyre going back to mikrotiks?

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Mikrotik integrated is starting, I'd wait until that's done and avoid
> buying an official "BMU".
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:22 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm pushing our infrastructure over to the lighter used NX216 so at least
>> the monitoring offloads. but I have to say, it really pisses a guy off when
>> hardware specs are removed, really pisses the guy off.
>>
>> weve been running 750 or so through this one, but bandwidth has
>> increased. As best I can tell its not heavy, like 20kpps if I'm
>> understanding the attacked MT correctly.
>>
>> This started with monitoring anomalies, high pings on monitoring devices
>> on the BMU, but no customer impact, now its croaking customer latencies.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Adair Winter <
>> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I think we started having issues around 600 or 800 subs on our NX216
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:14 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>

 i have heard rumor you might have problems with a nx216 with 500 or so
 accounts or higher.
 the symptom is when you see "bmu queue" counter start being high(er) on
 your billing server.
 we have not run into this yet and are still on a nx216 - close to 700
 customers i think.

 we have been adding and removing a lot (of customers) lately



 - Original Message -
 *From:* Steve Jones 
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 8:47 PM
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] powercode bmu specs

 anybody know where the hardware details are? I think we outgrew a bmu,
 but with the whole new nonsense website and haphazard tertiary sites I
 don't seem to be able to find any specs


>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Adair Winter
>>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
>>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
>>> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
>>> http://www.amarillowireless.net
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: We've acquired WispMon - please read!

[Matt Hoppes]

Well. Then there is that. 

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 10:12, Josh Baird  wrote:
> 
> I think I would probably be happy if I was a WISPMon customer.
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 9:03 AM, Matt Hoppes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well glad I didn't go with wisp mom. 
>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 08:42, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "Sonar" 
>>> To: "Mike Hammett" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:39:04 AM
>>> Subject: We've acquired WispMon - please read!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Welcome to the Sonar family!
>>> I'm pleased to announce that we've acquired WispMon, and we're happy to 
>>> welcome you to the Sonar family. Alex from the Sonar team will be reaching 
>>> out to you shortly to discuss your transition from WispMon to Sonar, but I 
>>> want to assure you that for right now, it is business as usual. The WispMon 
>>> staff are still in place to support you - both now, and throughout the 
>>> transition, and we'll be working closely with you to ensure your migration 
>>> is seamless and worry free.
>>> 
>>> I'm sure you have tons of questions, and we want to answer them. We have 
>>> four webinars scheduled this week that will introduce you to Sonar, if 
>>> you're not familiar with it already. We'll also be calling you directly to 
>>> introduce ourselves, and start a conversation about the transition process.
>>> 
>>> If you'd like to start learning more about Sonar, we have a lot of 
>>> resources available. Our Sonar Casts provide video training on all the 
>>> different Sonar modules, and there's a wealth of information available on 
>>> our website. I'm confident you'll be excited about the potential of this 
>>> move - from talking to Cameron and the other staff members at WispMon about 
>>> the oustanding feature requests they have, I'm positive you'll be happy 
>>> with the improved features and functionality available in Sonar, and that 
>>> they'll bring a significant improvement to your daily operations.
>>> 
>>> We'd love to see you at one of the webinars we have scheduled this week, 
>>> where we'll do a high level run through of Sonar, and talk about some of 
>>> our advanced modules and features, such as our scheduling, ticketing, and 
>>> network monitoring modules. Please pick from one of the webinar times below 
>>> to register:
>>> 
>>> Thursday 9AM
>>> Thursday 2PM
>>> Friday 9AM
>>> Friday 2PM
>>> 
>>> We'll be in touch soon, and I'm looking forward to you becoming part of the 
>>> Sonar community. We'll be in Vegas at WISPAPALOOZA in a couple of weeks, 
>>> along with Cameron and Georgette from WispMon - I hope to see you there!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Copyright © 2017 Sonar Software Inc, All rights reserved.
>>> You are receiving this email because you are an existing WispMon customer.
>>> 
>>> Our mailing address is:
>>> Sonar Software Inc
>>> 1910 S 93rd St
>>> West Allis, WI 53227
>>> 
>>> Add us to your address book
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> You can update your preferences or unsubscribe from this list
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: We've acquired WispMon - please read!

[Josh Baird]

I think I would probably be happy if I was a WISPMon customer.

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 9:03 AM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> Well glad I didn't go with wisp mom. 
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 08:42, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Sonar" 
>> To: "Mike Hammett" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:39:04 AM
>> Subject: We've acquired WispMon - please read!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Welcome to the Sonar family!
>> I'm pleased to announce that we've acquired WispMon, and we're happy to 
>> welcome you to the Sonar family. Alex from the Sonar team will be reaching 
>> out to you shortly to discuss your transition from WispMon to Sonar, but I 
>> want to assure you that for right now, it is business as usual. The WispMon 
>> staff are still in place to support you - both now, and throughout the 
>> transition, and we'll be working closely with you to ensure your migration 
>> is seamless and worry free.
>> 
>> I'm sure you have tons of questions, and we want to answer them. We have 
>> four webinars scheduled this week that will introduce you to Sonar, if 
>> you're not familiar with it already. We'll also be calling you directly to 
>> introduce ourselves, and start a conversation about the transition process.
>> 
>> If you'd like to start learning more about Sonar, we have a lot of resources 
>> available. Our Sonar Casts provide video training on all the different Sonar 
>> modules, and there's a wealth of information available on our website. I'm 
>> confident you'll be excited about the potential of this move - from talking 
>> to Cameron and the other staff members at WispMon about the oustanding 
>> feature requests they have, I'm positive you'll be happy with the improved 
>> features and functionality available in Sonar, and that they'll bring a 
>> significant improvement to your daily operations.
>> 
>> We'd love to see you at one of the webinars we have scheduled this week, 
>> where we'll do a high level run through of Sonar, and talk about some of our 
>> advanced modules and features, such as our scheduling, ticketing, and 
>> network monitoring modules. Please pick from one of the webinar times below 
>> to register:
>> 
>> Thursday 9AM
>> Thursday 2PM
>> Friday 9AM
>> Friday 2PM
>> 
>> We'll be in touch soon, and I'm looking forward to you becoming part of the 
>> Sonar community. We'll be in Vegas at WISPAPALOOZA in a couple of weeks, 
>> along with Cameron and Georgette from WispMon - I hope to see you there!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Copyright © 2017 Sonar Software Inc, All rights reserved.
>> You are receiving this email because you are an existing WispMon customer.
>> 
>> Our mailing address is:
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> 1910 S 93rd St
>> West Allis, WI 53227
>> 
>> Add us to your address book
>> 
>> 
>> Want to change how you receive these emails?
>> You can update your preferences or unsubscribe from this list
>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] powercode bmu specs

[Josh Luthman]

Mikrotik integrated is starting, I'd wait until that's done and avoid
buying an official "BMU".


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:22 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I'm pushing our infrastructure over to the lighter used NX216 so at least
> the monitoring offloads. but I have to say, it really pisses a guy off when
> hardware specs are removed, really pisses the guy off.
>
> weve been running 750 or so through this one, but bandwidth has increased.
> As best I can tell its not heavy, like 20kpps if I'm understanding the
> attacked MT correctly.
>
> This started with monitoring anomalies, high pings on monitoring devices
> on the BMU, but no customer impact, now its croaking customer latencies.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Adair Winter  > wrote:
>
>> I think we started having issues around 600 or 800 subs on our NX216
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:14 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> i have heard rumor you might have problems with a nx216 with 500 or so
>>> accounts or higher.
>>> the symptom is when you see "bmu queue" counter start being high(er) on
>>> your billing server.
>>> we have not run into this yet and are still on a nx216 - close to 700
>>> customers i think.
>>>
>>> we have been adding and removing a lot (of customers) lately
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Steve Jones 
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 8:47 PM
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] powercode bmu specs
>>>
>>> anybody know where the hardware details are? I think we outgrew a bmu,
>>> but with the whole new nonsense website and haphazard tertiary sites I
>>> don't seem to be able to find any specs
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Adair Winter
>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
>> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
>> http://www.amarillowireless.net
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: We've acquired WispMon - please read!

[Matt Hoppes]

Well glad I didn't go with wisp mom. 

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 08:42, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Sonar" 
> To: "Mike Hammett" 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:39:04 AM
> Subject: We've acquired WispMon - please read!
> 
> 
> 
> Welcome to the Sonar family!
> I'm pleased to announce that we've acquired WispMon, and we're happy to 
> welcome you to the Sonar family. Alex from the Sonar team will be reaching 
> out to you shortly to discuss your transition from WispMon to Sonar, but I 
> want to assure you that for right now, it is business as usual. The WispMon 
> staff are still in place to support you - both now, and throughout the 
> transition, and we'll be working closely with you to ensure your migration is 
> seamless and worry free.
> 
> I'm sure you have tons of questions, and we want to answer them. We have four 
> webinars scheduled this week that will introduce you to Sonar, if you're not 
> familiar with it already. We'll also be calling you directly to introduce 
> ourselves, and start a conversation about the transition process.
> 
> If you'd like to start learning more about Sonar, we have a lot of resources 
> available. Our Sonar Casts provide video training on all the different Sonar 
> modules, and there's a wealth of information available on our website. I'm 
> confident you'll be excited about the potential of this move - from talking 
> to Cameron and the other staff members at WispMon about the oustanding 
> feature requests they have, I'm positive you'll be happy with the improved 
> features and functionality available in Sonar, and that they'll bring a 
> significant improvement to your daily operations.
> 
> We'd love to see you at one of the webinars we have scheduled this week, 
> where we'll do a high level run through of Sonar, and talk about some of our 
> advanced modules and features, such as our scheduling, ticketing, and network 
> monitoring modules. Please pick from one of the webinar times below to 
> register:
> 
> Thursday 9AM
> Thursday 2PM
> Friday 9AM
> Friday 2PM
> 
> We'll be in touch soon, and I'm looking forward to you becoming part of the 
> Sonar community. We'll be in Vegas at WISPAPALOOZA in a couple of weeks, 
> along with Cameron and Georgette from WispMon - I hope to see you there!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Picostation M2HP replacement

[Josh Luthman]

I'm with you Eric, I didn't want to deal with Unifi (Windows/mobile/etc)
for programming.

I just went with Cambium cnPilot products.  Here in the future I think
we'll do R190 since they're so cheap.  Simply using the LAN port with DHCP
disabled and a different IP and it acts like a bridge for the most part.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> Will have to definitely look into that further. Might be our best option
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>
>> Unifi-AC-Lite can be configured with a APP on your cell phone now, I
>> believe.. makes it easy to configure a static IP, SSID and WPA2 key.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Our guys love these to drop in and easily extend wifi. They are EOL and
>>> will soon be gone. They are cheap, easy to setup and have great coverage.
>>> What is a suitable replacement?
>>>
>>> Unifi AP's are great, but I hate that they can't be configured easily
>>> without the need for a controller. A dual-band Picostation would be just
>>> perfect here.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 3.5

[Josh Luthman]

The biggest thing is I can't restore backups due to licensing issues.
Instead of striping away a license from another radio, because it'll never
work, it fails the entire restore.

Radio wise it seemed good on my test backhaul.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> What bugs have you actually experienced?  It seems that others are not
> having major issues with 3.5.  a few things as mentioned on Cambium forums.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 24, 2017 10:58 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 3.5
>
>
>
> Rolling 3.2.2 still.  I've got known issues in 3.4 and 3.5 that doesn't
> make it worth it.
>
>
>
> I would really like to have my downlink% OID that came with 3.3 or
> 3.4...but not at the cost of the bugs.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
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> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 7:23 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
> I guess I over estimated a bit, looks like we've only got a hundred or so
> on 3.5. I think we have somewhere around a thousand customers on ePMP.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 23, 2017 1:14 PM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>
> How big is your network?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 23, 2017 10:38 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 3.5
>
>
>
> I've got 3.5 running on probably about half our stuff now. I haven't
> noticed any major issues.
>
>
>
> On Sep 23, 2017 8:15 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:
>
> I see a few problems on the Cambium form on 3.5.   They may be isolated
> incidences but enough to have caution. Has anybody rolled it out to a large
> number of APs and SMs?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] Sonar acquires WispMon

[Simon Westlake]

Rory,

It can, we support a lot of different network devices, and MikroTik is 
one of them.


On 9/26/2017 7:54 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:


Does Sonar run on Mikrotik routers the same as WISPmon?

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Simon Westlake
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 5:43 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Sonar acquires WispMon

Hey all,

Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar 
has acquired WispMon 
(https://sonar.software/blog/2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-wispmon) 
and we'll be reaching out to all the existing WispMon customers today 
to discuss the transition process.


We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of 
WispMon are both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are 
both going to do great things. If you're currently using WispMon, 
you'll receive a direct email shortly, and we'll be calling everyone 
as quickly as we can to discuss details.


Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar booth 
as well, so please come by and say hi!


--
Simon Westlake
Email:simon@sonar.software 
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software


--
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar acquires WispMon

[Rory Conaway]

Does Sonar run on Mikrotik routers the same as WISPmon?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 5:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Sonar acquires WispMon

Hey all,

Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar has 
acquired WispMon 
(https://sonar.software/blog/2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-wispmon) and we'll 
be reaching out to all the existing WispMon customers today to discuss the 
transition process.

We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of WispMon are 
both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are both going to do great 
things. If you're currently using WispMon, you'll receive a direct email 
shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as quickly as we can to discuss details.

Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar booth as well, 
so please come by and say hi!

--

Simon Westlake

Email: simon@sonar.software

Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA

---

Sonar Software Inc

The future of ISP billing and OSS

https://sonar.software

[AFMUG] Fwd: We've acquired WispMon - please read!

[Mike Hammett]

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Forwarded Message -

From: "Sonar"  
To: "Mike Hammett"  
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 7:39:04 AM 
Subject: We've acquired WispMon - please read! 

We've acquired WispMon - please read! Sonar has acquired WispMon, and we're 
looking forward to bringing you onboard.




Welcome to the Sonar family! 

I'm pleased to announce that we've acquired WispMon, and we're happy to welcome 
you to the Sonar family. Alex from the Sonar team will be reaching out to you 
shortly to discuss your transition from WispMon to Sonar, but I want to assure 
you that for right now, it is business as usual. The WispMon staff are still in 
place to support you - both now, and throughout the transition, and we'll be 
working closely with you to ensure your migration is seamless and worry free. 

I'm sure you have tons of questions, and we want to answer them. We have four 
webinars scheduled this week that will introduce you to Sonar, if you're not 
familiar with it already. We'll also be calling you directly to introduce 
ourselves, and start a conversation about the transition process. 

If you'd like to start learning more about Sonar, we have a lot of resources 
available. Our Sonar Casts provide video training on all the different Sonar 
modules, and there's a wealth of information available on our website . I'm 
confident you'll be excited about the potential of this move - from talking to 
Cameron and the other staff members at WispMon about the oustanding feature 
requests they have, I'm positive you'll be happy with the improved features and 
functionality available in Sonar, and that they'll bring a significant 
improvement to your daily operations. 

We'd love to see you at one of the webinars we have scheduled this week, where 
we'll do a high level run through of Sonar, and talk about some of our advanced 
modules and features, such as our scheduling, ticketing, and network monitoring 
modules. Please pick from one of the webinar times below to register : 

* Thursday 9AM 
* Thursday 2PM 
* Friday 9AM 
* Friday 2PM 


We'll be in touch soon, and I'm looking forward to you becoming part of the 
Sonar community. We'll be in Vegas at WISPAPALOOZA in a couple of weeks, along 
with Cameron and Georgette from WispMon - I hope to see you there! 




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[AFMUG] Sonar acquires WispMon

[Simon Westlake]

Hey all,

Just wanted to get in front of this before anyone else does - Sonar has 
acquired WispMon 
(https://sonar.software/blog/2017-09-26/our-acquisition-of-wispmon) and 
we'll be reaching out to all the existing WispMon customers today to 
discuss the transition process.


We're very excited about this new step - Cameron and Georgette of 
WispMon are both joining the Sonar team, and I'm confident they are both 
going to do great things. If you're currently using WispMon, you'll 
receive a direct email shortly, and we'll be calling everyone as quickly 
as we can to discuss details.


Cameron and Georgette will both be in Vegas with us in the Sonar booth 
as well, so please come by and say hi!


--
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

[AFMUG] "high iron content in the soil"

[Steve Jones]

We have an area that has had all kinds of weird issues over the years, from
grounding to what appears to be multipath fade.

When dealing with the grounding issues way back in the alvarion
breezeaccess times one of the farmers told me the area has a really high
iron content.

A lot of what I see is what id expect shooting across a long steel building

is it possible high iron content in the farmland would be enough to act in
a similar fashion to a sheet of metal?

I don't know the iron numbers, I may take a sample in for testing, but id
expect enough to make a difference would pretty much be a field of iron ore.

is it possible soil iron content can impact our type of RF 900 3.6 and 5ghz?