date:20171003

I don’t think they are going to move on 2.4GHz.  We will be testing the 
Ubiquiti 2.4GHz radios shortly though.

In a PTP, the M900 isn’t bad.  I’ve got plans for 900MHz on the tower anyway, 
Cambium, so I’m thinking I’m going to set up a second Cambium 450 900MHz AP as 
my backup.  I can’t remember though, will the 450 do a 20MHz channel in 900Mhz?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 6:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

I wonder if the Quantenna chipset people who make the IC in the Mimosa C5C have 
considered making a native 2.4 and/or 3.65 GHz version. Not something with 
conversion circuitry involved.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to test 
2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that might be out 
there.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street 
• Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with the 
best team that wins!” — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] OT 420 (was las vegas)

I think you're supposed to wear it, not smoke it...

On Oct 3, 2017 9:59 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Sackcloth is made out of hemp.  Ashes
>
> Burn me on young man.
>
> *From:* James Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 03, 2017 8:19 PM
> *To:* 'af@afmug.com'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
>
> Sackcloth and ashes for everyone!
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 3, 2017 3:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
>
>
> Because we invoked Lent due to things that transpired last fall.  I think
> it is time to remind everyone that it is still Lent at AnimalFarm.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jeremy
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 03, 2017 1:56 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
>
>
> This isn't a message board, with 'threads' that can be closed.  It is an
> email list, and people can say whatever the hell they want.  Why is
> everyone so sensitive to constructive or even non-constructive debate?
> Bunch of pussies
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> Can we either drop this discussion or open it up to real discussion?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> So we should just chemically castrate any male over 26 or so. Medically
> neuter the population.
>
> We can start with Steve.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 10/3/2017 7:57 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Sheeple should really be more concerned about identifying day to day
> criminals than mass murderers. Gangs have more mass murderers walking the
> streets next to you daily today than all the combined mass murderers in the
> history of the country. The city of chicago has a higher shooting/kill
> count this year than this guy.
>
>
>
> Worrying about identifying mass shooters beforehand is the epitome not
> seeing the forrest through the trees.
>
>
>
> Really should have killed this thread.
>
>
>
> On Oct 3, 2017 9:50 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> Reports on NPR is that there were both full auto as well as "conversions"
> in the assortment of 23-some-odd weapons found in the room.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 10/3/2017 1:28 AM, George Skorup wrote:
>
> I think we might possibly be overthinking this whole full auto narrative
> that the media is pushing. Just watched a video that someone shot from near
> the base of the hotel. The video is from an NSFW site that a friend sent
> me. I'll post the link if you guys want. It sounds like this fuckwit is
> using an external rotary trigger device. Think gatling gun. You can hear
> the cyclic rate change. That's not something a full auto does. Probably his
> trigger masturbation hand getting tired. Fucking piece of shit. Sorry for
> that. I'm going back to bed.
>
> On 10/2/2017 11:05 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun control have prevented
> this tragedy' topic, I've sort of come to the conclusion that with one
> possible exception, there really isn't anything which would have made much
> of a difference.
>
>
>
> Assuming that the shooter has a perfectly clean record (he did), you have
> to look at what restrictions you're willing to put on recreational gun
> owners.  In every case I've thought of (restricting total number of guns,
> restricting ammo purchases, etc.), it seems based on the information we
> have that this attack could have been carried out with access to the exact
> same arsenal that a recreational gun user should have access to.
> (Assuming one buys into the belief that there should be recreational gun
> users - let's NOT go down that path, since that would definitely end up
> leading to somewhere we don't want to go on this list).
>
>
>
> The only possible additional restriction I can see which may have helped
> is further restricting devices designed to effectively convert
> non-automatic weapons to automatic functions.  I find it irrational that
> one would restrict automatic weapons, but would not apply similar
> restrictions to "conversion" products. On the other hand, I can think
> of dozens of ways to modify a semi-automatic to automatic functions, many
> of which made easier to accomplish with the prevalence of 3d printing.
>
>
>
> Which leads me to the belief that we need to go deeper into the cause
> here.   Access to guns is not the problem.   Having people who want to use
> guns (or other weapons) in this way is the problem - the question is how do
> we solve that one?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:39 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
> We have the FOID in IL. You cannot buy or transport firearms or ammo
> without your card on you. Our CCL is a completely separate card, and yep,
> you gotta have both on you to carry.
> Our waiting periods are 1 day for long guns, 3

Re: [AFMUG] OT 420 (was las vegas)

Sackcloth is made out of hemp.  Ashes

Burn me on young man.

From: James Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 8:19 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

Sackcloth and ashes for everyone!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 3:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

Because we invoked Lent due to things that transpired last fall.  I think it is 
time to remind everyone that it is still Lent at AnimalFarm.  

From: Jeremy 

Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 1:56 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

This isn't a message board, with 'threads' that can be closed.  It is an email 
list, and people can say whatever the hell they want.  Why is everyone so 
sensitive to constructive or even non-constructive debate?  Bunch of pussies

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Carl Peterson  
wrote:

  Can we either drop this discussion or open it up to real discussion?  

  On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

So we should just chemically castrate any male over 26 or so. Medically 
neuter the population. 

We can start with Steve.

bp On 10/3/2017 7:57 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

  Sheeple should really be more concerned about identifying day to day 
criminals than mass murderers. Gangs have more mass murderers walking the 
streets next to you daily today than all the combined mass murderers in the 
history of the country. The city of chicago has a higher shooting/kill count 
this year than this guy. 

  Worrying about identifying mass shooters beforehand is the epitome not 
seeing the forrest through the trees.

  Really should have killed this thread.

  On Oct 3, 2017 9:50 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

Reports on NPR is that there were both full auto as well as 
"conversions" in the assortment of 23-some-odd weapons found in the room.

bp On 10/3/2017 1:28 AM, George Skorup wrote:

  I think we might possibly be overthinking this whole full auto 
narrative that the media is pushing. Just watched a video that someone shot 
from near the base of the hotel. The video is from an NSFW site that a friend 
sent me. I'll post the link if you guys want. It sounds like this fuckwit is 
using an external rotary trigger device. Think gatling gun. You can hear the 
cyclic rate change. That's not something a full auto does. Probably his trigger 
masturbation hand getting tired. Fucking piece of shit. Sorry for that. I'm 
going back to bed.

  On 10/2/2017 11:05 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun control have 
prevented this tragedy' topic, I've sort of come to the conclusion that with 
one possible exception, there really isn't anything which would have made much 
of a difference.

Assuming that the shooter has a perfectly clean record (he did), 
you have to look at what restrictions you're willing to put on recreational gun 
owners.  In every case I've thought of (restricting total number of guns, 
restricting ammo purchases, etc.), it seems based on the information we have 
that this attack could have been carried out with access to the exact same 
arsenal that a recreational gun user should have access to.   (Assuming one 
buys into the belief that there should be recreational gun users - let's NOT go 
down that path, since that would definitely end up leading to somewhere we 
don't want to go on this list).

The only possible additional restriction I can see which may have 
helped is further restricting devices designed to effectively convert 
non-automatic weapons to automatic functions.  I find it irrational that one 
would restrict automatic weapons, but would not apply similar restrictions to 
"conversion" products. On the other hand, I can think of dozens of ways to 
modify a semi-automatic to automatic functions, many of which made easier to 
accomplish with the prevalence of 3d printing.

Which leads me to the belief that we need to go deeper into the 
cause here.   Access to guns is not the problem.   Having people who want to 
use guns (or other weapons) in this way is the problem - the question is how do 
we solve that one?

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:39 PM, George Skorup 
 wrote:

  We have the FOID in IL. You cannot buy or transport firearms or 
ammo without your card on you. Our CCL is a completely separate card, and yep, 
you gotta have both on you to carry.
  Our waiting periods are 1 day for long guns, 3 days for hand 
guns. Our 4473s/background checks are ran through both the IL State Police and

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

2017-10-03 Thread James Howard

Sackcloth and ashes for everyone!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 3:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

Because we invoked Lent due to things that transpired last fall.  I think it is 
time to remind everyone that it is still Lent at AnimalFarm.

From: Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 1:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

This isn't a message board, with 'threads' that can be closed.  It is an email 
list, and people can say whatever the hell they want.  Why is everyone so 
sensitive to constructive or even non-constructive debate?  Bunch of pussies

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
Can we either drop this discussion or open it up to real discussion?

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:

So we should just chemically castrate any male over 26 or so. Medically neuter 
the population.

We can start with Steve.

bp

On 10/3/2017 7:57 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Sheeple should really be more concerned about identifying day to day criminals 
than mass murderers. Gangs have more mass murderers walking the streets next to 
you daily today than all the combined mass murderers in the history of the 
country. The city of chicago has a higher shooting/kill count this year than 
this guy.

Worrying about identifying mass shooters beforehand is the epitome not seeing 
the forrest through the trees.

Really should have killed this thread.

On Oct 3, 2017 9:50 AM, "Bill Prince" 
> wrote:

Reports on NPR is that there were both full auto as well as "conversions" in 
the assortment of 23-some-odd weapons found in the room.

bp

On 10/3/2017 1:28 AM, George Skorup wrote:
I think we might possibly be overthinking this whole full auto narrative that 
the media is pushing. Just watched a video that someone shot from near the base 
of the hotel. The video is from an NSFW site that a friend sent me. I'll post 
the link if you guys want. It sounds like this fuckwit is using an external 
rotary trigger device. Think gatling gun. You can hear the cyclic rate change. 
That's not something a full auto does. Probably his trigger masturbation hand 
getting tired. Fucking piece of shit. Sorry for that. I'm going back to bed.
On 10/2/2017 11:05 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun control have prevented this 
tragedy' topic, I've sort of come to the conclusion that with one possible 
exception, there really isn't anything which would have made much of a 
difference.

Assuming that the shooter has a perfectly clean record (he did), you have to 
look at what restrictions you're willing to put on recreational gun owners.  In 
every case I've thought of (restricting total number of guns, restricting ammo 
purchases, etc.), it seems based on the information we have that this attack 
could have been carried out with access to the exact same arsenal that a 
recreational gun user should have access to.   (Assuming one buys into the 
belief that there should be recreational gun users - let's NOT go down that 
path, since that would definitely end up leading to somewhere we don't want to 
go on this list).

The only possible additional restriction I can see which may have helped is 
further restricting devices designed to effectively convert non-automatic 
weapons to automatic functions.  I find it irrational that one would restrict 
automatic weapons, but would not apply similar restrictions to "conversion" 
products. On the other hand, I can think of dozens of ways to modify a 
semi-automatic to automatic functions, many of which made easier to accomplish 
with the prevalence of 3d printing.

Which leads me to the belief that we need to go deeper into the cause here.   
Access to guns is not the problem.   Having people who want to use guns (or 
other weapons) in this way is the problem - the question is how do we solve 
that one?

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:39 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
We have the FOID in IL. You cannot buy or transport firearms or ammo without 
your card on you. Our CCL is a completely separate card, and yep, you gotta 
have both on you to carry.
Our waiting periods are 1 day for long guns, 3 days for hand guns. Our 
4473s/background checks are ran through both the IL State Police and NICS.

So no, it is not "easy" to buy guns legally for the law-abiding here.

None of this stops the gang bangers from getting guns. Nor the quiet nut jobs.
On 10/2/2017 6:05 PM, Jason Wilson wrote:
I need to clarify my last message. in California we have the pleasure of 
waiting 10 days before we can pick up the firearms

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

Hey Gino,

We have 3 solar sites on our network. Let me know if you want me to send
pics, schematics and parts list so you don't have to re-invent the wheel.

- sean

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 10:49 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> Any pointers?
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

2017-10-03 Thread Eric Kuhnke

I wonder if the Quantenna chipset people who make the IC in the Mimosa C5C
have considered making a native 2.4 and/or 3.65 GHz version. Not something
with conversion circuitry involved.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to
> test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
> might be out there.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 th
> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with
> the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. RIP Tom Petty

“I won’t back down”  My anthem for the past almost 4 years...

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 6:00 PM
To: Motorola III 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. RIP Tom Petty

He did not make it. When they picked him up he was in full cardiac arrest. They 
put him on life support, but he had a DNR. So they took him off life support, 
and it took several hours for nature. 

I will surely miss him. The work he (and the other Wilburys) did on those two 
albums are among my favorites.

So now there is only Paul, Jeff, and Bob left.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:

  Is he dead, is he not dead, I hear both ways (I hear hes off life support but 
not likely to make it)

  On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 6:24 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

In 1980, I had dinner with our first vocalist Tito Larriva (actor/musician) 
in LA.  He was with Cruzados then and lived in same apartment complex with Tom 
Petty and other bands like Bangles.  The basement was rented out to bands for 
rehearsal, and Tom Petty would practice allot , sometimes so much fingers would 
bleed.  RIP

-- 

--

bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

Re: [AFMUG] OT. RIP Tom Petty

He did not make it. When they picked him up he was in full cardiac arrest.
They put him on life support, but he had a DNR. So they took him off life
support, and it took several hours for nature.

I will surely miss him. The work he (and the other Wilburys) did on those
two albums are among my favorites.

So now there is only Paul, Jeff, and Bob left.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Is he dead, is he not dead, I hear both ways (I hear hes off life support
> but not likely to make it)
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 6:24 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> In 1980, I had dinner with our first vocalist Tito Larriva
>> (actor/musician) in LA.  He was with Cruzados then and lived in same
>> apartment complex with Tom Petty and other bands like Bangles.  The
>> basement was rented out to bands for rehearsal, and Tom Petty would
>> practice allot , sometimes so much fingers would bleed.  RIP
>>
>
>

-- 
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

Re: [AFMUG] OT. RIP Tom Petty

Is he dead, is he not dead, I hear both ways (I hear hes off life support
but not likely to make it)

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 6:24 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> In 1980, I had dinner with our first vocalist Tito Larriva
> (actor/musician) in LA.  He was with Cruzados then and lived in same
> apartment complex with Tom Petty and other bands like Bangles.  The
> basement was rented out to bands for rehearsal, and Tom Petty would
> practice allot , sometimes so much fingers would bleed.  RIP
>

[AFMUG] OT. RIP Tom Petty

In 1980, I had dinner with our first vocalist Tito Larriva (actor/musician)
in LA.  He was with Cruzados then and lived in same apartment complex with
Tom Petty and other bands like Bangles.  The basement was rented out to
bands for rehearsal, and Tom Petty would practice allot , sometimes so much
fingers would bleed.  RIP

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

The Tanana products take Orthogon’s original technology to the next level.  
Each link has 16 radios in them going in the same direction.  It’s great for 
high-interference and nlos with lots of multi-pathing.  It isn’t great for pure 
blockage like trees in which there is no mult-ipathing.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 10:14 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Watched some of the Tarana Wireless videos.  Reminds me of Orthogan videos and 
that other company with 5GHz Nlos 800Mbps product that was around 8500.00...i 
shared pictures and stuff From Tessco show ...two years ago

On Oct 3, 2017 11:04 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
Not if it was built from scratch to be PTP.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 7:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a design 
around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.

On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, which I 
have, the PHY Layer should be better.

I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2 and an 
AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations but it’s 
on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not the problem 
on this project, just performance.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make it 
work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be the only 
realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an actual LTE 
core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the best option, 
but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work better. 900mhz could 
also be an option if noise isn't too bad.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson" 
> wrote:
I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.

-- Nathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 
2.4GHz?

I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to test 
2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that might be out 
there.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street 
• Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with the 
best team that wins!” — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

When you are the only game in town, you pay it.  If it solves my problem, then 
it’s worth it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 12:33 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Well, yes, and if there is such a thing I'd be very interested in it as well... 
but I suspect that if they do exist they're probably going to be way out of my 
price range anyway.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
Not if it was built from scratch to be PTP.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 7:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a design 
around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.

On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, which I 
have, the PHY Layer should be better.

I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2 and an 
AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations but it’s 
on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not the problem 
on this project, just performance.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make it 
work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be the only 
realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an actual LTE 
core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the best option, 
but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work better. 900mhz could 
also be an option if noise isn't too bad.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson" 
> wrote:
I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.

-- Nathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 
2.4GHz?

I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to test 
2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that might be out 
there.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street 
• Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with the 
best team that wins!” — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

Where?

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> here here
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 10/3/2017 4:35:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
> Yeah, and I would rather hear Steve’s philosophical discussions on chicken
> rape vs masturbation any day.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 03, 2017 2:34 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
> Go to the archives, there was a pretty good set of discussions about this
>
> having been a primary player in causing the net loss to the list, the
> ensuing lent made sense
>
> Its not a matter of censorship or "safe spaces" It was generally a
> consensus among members of the community that certain trains of discourse
> can result in a negative outcome for the community as a whole. Self
> policing helped.
>
> There is plenty of room for chatter and noise, but some topics trend
> toward an explosive outcome and some of us drinkalot
>
>


-- 
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

Re: [AFMUG] learnt me sumpin'

While on the subject, is 1000 BASE-TX actually in use?

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 4:22 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] learnt me sumpin'

Most implementations will detect this and fall back to 100.

On Oct 3, 2017 4:13 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  From wikipedia:
Since negotiation takes place on only two pairs, if two gigabit devices are 
connected through a cable with only two pairs, the devices will successfully 
choose 'gigabit' as the highest common denominator (HCD), but the link will 
never come up. 

  So, you can have a bad single connection or a bad pair or even two bad pairs 
and a GigE (1000 Base T) connection will choose Gig but never come up or 
perhaps flop.   That was an ungood choice by some engineer at some point in 
time.

Re: [AFMUG] learnt me sumpin'

2017-10-03 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

Most implementations will detect this and fall back to 100.

On Oct 3, 2017 4:13 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

>From wikipedia:

Since negotiation takes place on only two pairs, if two gigabit devices are
connected through a cable with only two pairs, the devices will
successfully choose 'gigabit' as the highest common denominator (HCD), but
the link will never come up.


So, you can have a bad single connection or a bad pair or even two bad
pairs and a GigE (1000 Base T) connection will choose Gig but never come up
or perhaps flop.   That was an ungood choice by some engineer at some point
in time.

[AFMUG] learnt me sumpin'

>From wikipedia:
  Since negotiation takes place on only two pairs, if two gigabit devices are 
connected through a cable with only two pairs, the devices will successfully 
choose 'gigabit' as the highest common denominator (HCD), but the link will 
never come up. 

So, you can have a bad single connection or a bad pair or even two bad pairs 
and a GigE (1000 Base T) connection will choose Gig but never come up or 
perhaps flop.   That was an ungood choice by some engineer at some point in 
time.

Re: [AFMUG] Residential towers, (back on topic)

As the owner I always very clearly tell my employees that safety is in
their hands.  If they deem a task as unsafe then that's an unsafe task for
them in my book no questions asked.  I'm never going to push someone to do
something they don't think is safe, that's just asking for other problem
(like injury, death etc.)  I once had a guy completely lock up and unable
to move on a 100' commercial tower.  He now is mainly ground support at the
tower sites and the other guys who enjoy climbing go up instead.  I'd
rather have him on the ground and helping than on a 100' tower needing to
be rescued (or worse).

Now for your particular problem it sounds like maybe you have hired the
wrong guy for the job if other co-workers are able to complete those jobs.
The tower may or may not be "unsafe" but it doesn't matter, the towers are
"unsafe" for this employee.

I would go to a few of his failed jobs and climb the tower myself and see
first hand what he's looking at.  Ask him what he thinks makes it unsafe
and inspect those items.  He might be correct that it's unsafe and your
other employees are being risky.  Or he might just not be the right guy for
the job.

-Sean

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:07 PM Ben Royer  wrote:

> Who has their employees climb residential towers?  Like the Rohn 25
> variety that Ma’ and Pa’ use to get the games on.  That type.  And do you
> formally train them?  We do on both accounts, but interested to poll the
> community on this one.  I have one employee right now that said he’s not
> afraid of heights but has an alarming number of Unsuccessful jobs because
> of ‘unsafe tower’s’.  We have since had a talk with him as a couple of
> those jobs have been successfully done by another employee. Anyway, what
> say you
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>

Re: [AFMUG] Residential towers, (back on topic)

I show them images of bad towers, leg blowouts, busted rungs, rusted
through legs, loose house brackets. have them kick the tower and watch the
top, if it moves, dont climb it.

Its not worth it for 30 bucks a month

Ive come across more theyve climbed when they shouldnt have

One thing I ask is for a description of why its "unsafe" this keeps things
more honest.

I would personally go out and check the install deemed safe, just to make
sure they actually are. I went out to replace a radio on one and the tower
started falling over, the tech was young dumb full of ... and that could
have gotten somebody killed, I left the old radio on the tower and
installed a new one to the roof

make sure you differentiate rust and rusted through

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Ben Royer  wrote:

> Who has their employees climb residential towers?  Like the Rohn 25
> variety that Ma’ and Pa’ use to get the games on.  That type.  And do you
> formally train them?  We do on both accounts, but interested to poll the
> community on this one.  I have one employee right now that said he’s not
> afraid of heights but has an alarming number of Unsuccessful jobs because
> of ‘unsafe tower’s’.  We have since had a talk with him as a couple of
> those jobs have been successfully done by another employee. Anyway, what
> say you
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 <(217)%20965-3699> www.royell.net
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

We have a mid-range Dyson (D 25?) I don't recall the exact model number,
but my wife loves it. She brags about it all the time. I'm kind of
vacuum-impaired.

-bp

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Robert  wrote:

> dyson upstairs and downstairs..   Only vacuum that the SO and housekeepers
> haven't been able to destroy in less than a year...   And they have so
> verily tried...Specially the overheat cutoff switch...
>
> Robert
>
> On 10/3/17 11:08 AM, Jerry Head wrote:
>
>> We have a Dyson DC-33 downstairs, works on hardwood or carpet, bagless
>> but you must clean the filter periodically.
>> A very good product.
>>
>> Oreck upstairs, very light, uses bags though.
>> Another good vacuum.
>>
>> On 10/3/2017 1:04 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
>>
>>> I recently bought a refurb Dyson v6 on Amazon for $180. Best investment
>>> I ever made. It replaced my hardwood cleaner and my bulky Kirby for
>>> carpets. I can do my entire first floor in under 20 mins and still have
>>> plenty of battery left. It's an engineering marvel. I highly recommend
>>> Dyson.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Nate Burke > n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm in the market for a new Vacuum cleaner as my old one sucks, or
>>> doesn't, which is the problem.  I could wade through thousands of
>>> amazon reviews, but I thought I'd ask for a quick poll here.
>>>  Floors are 50% split between carpet and hardwood.  Occasionally we
>>> watch a dog, so pet hair pickup would be a plus.  Does a
>>> brand/model work good for you.  Does it not?  Is bagless really
>>> all it's purported to be.
>>>
>>> Nate
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>


-- 
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

here here

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/3/2017 4:35:32 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

Yeah, and I would rather hear Steve’s philosophical discussions on 
chicken rape vs masturbation any day.

From:Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 2:34 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

Go to the archives, there was a pretty good set of discussions about 
this

having been a primary player in causing the net loss to the list, the 
ensuing lent made sense

Its not a matter of censorship or "safe spaces" It was generally a 
consensus among members of the community that certain trains of 
discourse can result in a negative outcome for the community as a 
whole. Self policing helped.

There is plenty of room for chatter and noise, but some topics trend 
toward an explosive outcome and some of us drinkalot

[AFMUG] Residential towers, (back on topic)

2017-10-03 Thread Ben Royer

Who has their employees climb residential towers?  Like the Rohn 25 variety 
that Ma’ and Pa’ use to get the games on.  That type.  And do you formally 
train them?  We do on both accounts, but interested to poll the community on 
this one.  I have one employee right now that said he’s not afraid of heights 
but has an alarming number of Unsuccessful jobs because of ‘unsafe tower’s’.  
We have since had a talk with him as a couple of those jobs have been 
successfully done by another employee. Anyway, what say you

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

[AFMUG] Dragonwave SFP Modules

2017-10-03 Thread Edward Brooks

Just as an FYI, I have found a company that has OEM Replacement DragonWave
Harmony Enhanced SFP opt. 1000Base-LX - 10Km modules (T555SFSM0.10--A1).

 

Here is the information:

 

P/N: LTD1382-OEM

Mike Kelly

Cell:949-443-1372 Desk:949-215-3245 Ext 13

Email:   m...@thiusa.com |Web:  
www.thiusa.com

 

-Ed

--

Edward Brooks

Montana Internet Corporation
Wide Area Network Administrator
Helena, MT
  406-443-3347

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

Yep... we've had this discussion before, and experience has proven that the
list is better if we stay away from certain topics.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Go to the archives, there was a pretty good set of discussions about this
>
> having been a primary player in causing the net loss to the list, the
> ensuing lent made sense
>
> Its not a matter of censorship or "safe spaces" It was generally a
> consensus among members of the community that certain trains of discourse
> can result in a negative outcome for the community as a whole. Self
> policing helped.
>
> There is plenty of room for chatter and noise, but some topics trend
> toward an explosive outcome and some of us drinkalot
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

Yeah, and I would rather hear Steve’s philosophical discussions on chicken rape 
vs masturbation any day.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 2:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

Go to the archives, there was a pretty good set of discussions about this

having been a primary player in causing the net loss to the list, the ensuing 
lent made sense

Its not a matter of censorship or "safe spaces" It was generally a consensus 
among members of the community that certain trains of discourse can result in a 
negative outcome for the community as a whole. Self policing helped.

There is plenty of room for chatter and noise, but some topics trend toward an 
explosive outcome and some of us drinkalot

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

Go to the archives, there was a pretty good set of discussions about this

having been a primary player in causing the net loss to the list, the
ensuing lent made sense

Its not a matter of censorship or "safe spaces" It was generally a
consensus among members of the community that certain trains of discourse
can result in a negative outcome for the community as a whole. Self
policing helped.

There is plenty of room for chatter and noise, but some topics trend toward
an explosive outcome and some of us drinkalot

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

Plenty of other lists for political discourse.  Rather not smell those farts 
here anymore.  

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 2:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

Ok, calling anyone a pussy is probably innapropriate.  It is just ironic to me 
that the same people talking about liberal snowflakes needing safe spaces claim 
this list as their safe space.  It's the Internet!  Where I grew up, you 
couldn't go anywhere without someone redirecting you to tubgirl...and you guys 
want to complain about political discourse??  If it is labeled OT, and is a 
subject that you would rather not discuss, then just don't click on it.  I 
don't see why a bunch of grown men have to hold their tongues and walk on 
eggshells on this list.  Is it really that hard to just have a constructive 
debate once in awhile?

On Oct 3, 2017 2:17 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

  The nice thing about AFMUG is there are very few rules. The bad thing about 
AFMUG is there are very few rules.

  The political stuff drove Ken away last year. I was thinking about it too. It 
was getting a little too much. So lets not go there again. That's one of the 
reasons I don't do the bookface much. That place is a shithole.

  BTW, someone did forget the [OT] on this thread.

  On 10/3/2017 3:03 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

It has to do with the nature of the content and the expected nature of the 
content. 

What if we just started only posting about VMware, or what if all new posts 
were only about Steve's peppers, on the AFMUG mailing list? It would drive the 
audience away.

On Oct 3, 2017 2:56 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

  This isn't a message board, with 'threads' that can be closed.  It is an 
email list, and people can say whatever the hell they want.  Why is everyone so 
sensitive to constructive or even non-constructive debate?  Bunch of pussies

  On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Carl Peterson 
 wrote:

Can we either drop this discussion or open it up to real discussion?  

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Bill Prince  
wrote:

  So we should just chemically castrate any male over 26 or so. 
Medically neuter the population. 

  We can start with Steve.

bp

On 10/3/2017 7:57 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

Sheeple should really be more concerned about identifying day to 
day criminals than mass murderers. Gangs have more mass murderers walking the 
streets next to you daily today than all the combined mass murderers in the 
history of the country. The city of chicago has a higher shooting/kill count 
this year than this guy. 

Worrying about identifying mass shooters beforehand is the epitome 
not seeing the forrest through the trees.

Really should have killed this thread.

On Oct 3, 2017 9:50 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

  Reports on NPR is that there were both full auto as well as 
"conversions" in the assortment of 23-some-odd weapons found in the room.

bp

On 10/3/2017 1:28 AM, George Skorup wrote:

I think we might possibly be overthinking this whole full auto 
narrative that the media is pushing. Just watched a video that someone shot 
from near the base of the hotel. The video is from an NSFW site that a friend 
sent me. I'll post the link if you guys want. It sounds like this fuckwit is 
using an external rotary trigger device. Think gatling gun. You can hear the 
cyclic rate change. That's not something a full auto does. Probably his trigger 
masturbation hand getting tired. Fucking piece of shit. Sorry for that. I'm 
going back to bed.

On 10/2/2017 11:05 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

  After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun control 
have prevented this tragedy' topic, I've sort of come to the conclusion that 
with one possible exception, there really isn't anything which would have made 
much of a difference.

  Assuming that the shooter has a perfectly clean record (he 
did), you have to look at what restrictions you're willing to put on 
recreational gun owners.  In every case I've thought of (restricting total 
number of guns, restricting ammo purchases, etc.), it seems based on the 
information we have that this attack could have been carried out with access to 
the exact same arsenal that a recreational gun user should have access to.   
(Assuming one buys into the belief that there should be recreational gun users 
- let's NOT go down that path, since that would definitely end up leading to 
somewhere we don't want to go on this list).

  The only possible additional restriction I can see which may 
have helped is further restricting devices designed to effectively convert 
non-automatic weapons to

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

2017-10-03 Thread Jeremy

Ok, calling anyone a pussy is probably innapropriate.  It is just ironic to
me that the same people talking about liberal snowflakes needing safe
spaces claim this list as their safe space.  It's the Internet!  Where I
grew up, you couldn't go anywhere without someone redirecting you to
tubgirl...and you guys want to complain about political discourse??  If it
is labeled OT, and is a subject that you would rather not discuss, then
just don't click on it.  I don't see why a bunch of grown men have to hold
their tongues and walk on eggshells on this list.  Is it really that hard
to just have a constructive debate once in awhile?

On Oct 3, 2017 2:17 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> The nice thing about AFMUG is there are very few rules. The bad thing
> about AFMUG is there are very few rules.
>
> The political stuff drove Ken away last year. I was thinking about it too.
> It was getting a little too much. So lets not go there again. That's one of
> the reasons I don't do the bookface much. That place is a shithole.
>
> BTW, someone did forget the [OT] on this thread.
>
> On 10/3/2017 3:03 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> It has to do with the nature of the content and the expected nature of the
> content.
>
> What if we just started only posting about VMware, or what if all new
> posts were only about Steve's peppers, on the AFMUG mailing list? It would
> drive the audience away.
>
> On Oct 3, 2017 2:56 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>
>> This isn't a message board, with 'threads' that can be closed.  It is an
>> email list, and people can say whatever the hell they want.  Why is
>> everyone so sensitive to constructive or even non-constructive debate?
>> Bunch of pussies
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Carl Peterson > > wrote:
>>
>>> Can we either drop this discussion or open it up to real discussion?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Bill Prince 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So we should just chemically castrate any male over 26 or so. Medically
 neuter the population.

 We can start with Steve.


 bp
 


 On 10/3/2017 7:57 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

 Sheeple should really be more concerned about identifying day to day
 criminals than mass murderers. Gangs have more mass murderers walking the
 streets next to you daily today than all the combined mass murderers in the
 history of the country. The city of chicago has a higher shooting/kill
 count this year than this guy.

 Worrying about identifying mass shooters beforehand is the epitome not
 seeing the forrest through the trees.

 Really should have killed this thread.

 On Oct 3, 2017 9:50 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> Reports on NPR is that there were both full auto as well as
> "conversions" in the assortment of 23-some-odd weapons found in the room.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/3/2017 1:28 AM, George Skorup wrote:
>
> I think we might possibly be overthinking this whole full auto
> narrative that the media is pushing. Just watched a video that someone 
> shot
> from near the base of the hotel. The video is from an NSFW site that a
> friend sent me. I'll post the link if you guys want. It sounds like this
> fuckwit is using an external rotary trigger device. Think gatling gun. You
> can hear the cyclic rate change. That's not something a full auto does.
> Probably his trigger masturbation hand getting tired. Fucking piece of
> shit. Sorry for that. I'm going back to bed.
>
> On 10/2/2017 11:05 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun control have
> prevented this tragedy' topic, I've sort of come to the conclusion that
> with one possible exception, there really isn't anything which would have
> made much of a difference.
>
> Assuming that the shooter has a perfectly clean record (he did), you
> have to look at what restrictions you're willing to put on recreational 
> gun
> owners.  In every case I've thought of (restricting total number of guns,
> restricting ammo purchases, etc.), it seems based on the information we
> have that this attack could have been carried out with access to the exact
> same arsenal that a recreational gun user should have access to.
> (Assuming one buys into the belief that there should be recreational gun
> users - let's NOT go down that path, since that would definitely end up
> leading to somewhere we don't want to go on this list).
>
> The only possible additional restriction I can see which may have
> helped is further restricting devices designed to effectively convert
> non-automatic weapons to automatic functions.  I find it irrational that
>

Re: [AFMUG] WTB 450i-900mhz used AP's

we have two power companies in our service ares, both are rolling out
smartmeters as we speak. This is probably a common scenario, youll see
those hitting the used market in high volume soon

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> These are the 900MHz components we have available:
>
> C009045A001A - 900MHz PMP450i Connectorized AP  x 1
>
> N009045D001A - 900MHz 60 deg. Sector Antenna Dual Slant  x 1
>
> C009045C001A - 900 MHz PMP 450 Conn. Subscriber Module x 2
>
>
> make us an offer if you're interested (off list preferred to
> a...@zirkel.us)
>
> Thx!
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Philip Rankin 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:46 AM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have any that are used, but I have some brand new ones sitting
>>> on the shelf that I might be able to be convinced to sell... 900mhz has
>>> gotten a lot noisier around here since we bought them, and I'm not entirely
>>> sure they're worth deploying at this point.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:44 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>

 me too - let me know ;)


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Kurt Fankhauser 
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 9:52 AM
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] WTB 450i-900mhz used AP's

 Anyone got some used 900mhz 450i Ap's they are looking to get rid of?
 Cant' justify paying full price for these things new to only be putting 1-2
 clients on them...


>>> I could sure use 3 or 4 if the price were right. Pay immediately with
>> PayPal
>> --
>> Philip J. Rankin
>> Wireless Telecommunications Services
>> PO Box 24
>> Pittsburg, KS  66762
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WTB 450i-900mhz used AP's

These are the 900MHz components we have available:

C009045A001A - 900MHz PMP450i Connectorized AP  x 1

N009045D001A - 900MHz 60 deg. Sector Antenna Dual Slant  x 1

C009045C001A - 900 MHz PMP 450 Conn. Subscriber Module x 2


make us an offer if you're interested (off list preferred to a...@zirkel.us
)

Thx!

-Sean



On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Philip Rankin 
wrote:

>
> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:46 AM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't have any that are used, but I have some brand new ones sitting on
>> the shelf that I might be able to be convinced to sell... 900mhz has gotten
>> a lot noisier around here since we bought them, and I'm not entirely sure
>> they're worth deploying at this point.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:44 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> me too - let me know ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser 
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 28, 2017 9:52 AM
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] WTB 450i-900mhz used AP's
>>>
>>> Anyone got some used 900mhz 450i Ap's they are looking to get rid of?
>>> Cant' justify paying full price for these things new to only be putting 1-2
>>> clients on them...
>>>
>>>
>> I could sure use 3 or 4 if the price were right. Pay immediately with
> PayPal
> --
> Philip J. Rankin
> Wireless Telecommunications Services
> PO Box 24
> Pittsburg, KS  66762
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

because the last time things got far off topic and overly heated, some
valuable contributors got fed up and left (sorry)

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> This isn't a message board, with 'threads' that can be closed.  It is an
> email list, and people can say whatever the hell they want.  Why is
> everyone so sensitive to constructive or even non-constructive debate?
> Bunch of pussies
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Can we either drop this discussion or open it up to real discussion?
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> So we should just chemically castrate any male over 26 or so. Medically
>>> neuter the population.
>>>
>>> We can start with Steve.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/3/2017 7:57 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> Sheeple should really be more concerned about identifying day to day
>>> criminals than mass murderers. Gangs have more mass murderers walking the
>>> streets next to you daily today than all the combined mass murderers in the
>>> history of the country. The city of chicago has a higher shooting/kill
>>> count this year than this guy.
>>>
>>> Worrying about identifying mass shooters beforehand is the epitome not
>>> seeing the forrest through the trees.
>>>
>>> Really should have killed this thread.
>>>
>>> On Oct 3, 2017 9:50 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>>
 Reports on NPR is that there were both full auto as well as
 "conversions" in the assortment of 23-some-odd weapons found in the room.

 bp

 On 10/3/2017 1:28 AM, George Skorup wrote:

 I think we might possibly be overthinking this whole full auto
 narrative that the media is pushing. Just watched a video that someone shot
 from near the base of the hotel. The video is from an NSFW site that a
 friend sent me. I'll post the link if you guys want. It sounds like this
 fuckwit is using an external rotary trigger device. Think gatling gun. You
 can hear the cyclic rate change. That's not something a full auto does.
 Probably his trigger masturbation hand getting tired. Fucking piece of
 shit. Sorry for that. I'm going back to bed.

 On 10/2/2017 11:05 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

 After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun control have
 prevented this tragedy' topic, I've sort of come to the conclusion that
 with one possible exception, there really isn't anything which would have
 made much of a difference.

 Assuming that the shooter has a perfectly clean record (he did), you
 have to look at what restrictions you're willing to put on recreational gun
 owners.  In every case I've thought of (restricting total number of guns,
 restricting ammo purchases, etc.), it seems based on the information we
 have that this attack could have been carried out with access to the exact
 same arsenal that a recreational gun user should have access to.
 (Assuming one buys into the belief that there should be recreational gun
 users - let's NOT go down that path, since that would definitely end up
 leading to somewhere we don't want to go on this list).

 The only possible additional restriction I can see which may have
 helped is further restricting devices designed to effectively convert
 non-automatic weapons to automatic functions.  I find it irrational that
 one would restrict automatic weapons, but would not apply similar
 restrictions to "conversion" products. On the other hand, I can think
 of dozens of ways to modify a semi-automatic to automatic functions, many
 of which made easier to accomplish with the prevalence of 3d printing.

 Which leads me to the belief that we need to go deeper into the cause
 here.   Access to guns is not the problem.   Having people who want to use
 guns (or other weapons) in this way is the problem - the question is how do
 we solve that one?

 On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:39 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> We have the FOID in IL. You cannot buy or transport firearms or ammo
> without your card on you. Our CCL is a completely separate card, and yep,
> you gotta have both on you to carry.
> Our waiting periods are 1 day for long guns, 3 days for hand guns. Our
> 4473s/background checks are ran through both the IL State Police and NICS.
>
> So no, it is not "easy" to buy guns legally for the law-abiding here.
>
> None of this stops the gang bangers from getting guns. Nor the quiet
> nut jobs.
>
> On 10/2/2017 6:05 PM, Jason Wilson wrote:
>
> I need to clarify my last message. in California we have the pleasure
> of waiting 10 days before we can pick up the

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

Well, yes, and if there is such a thing I'd be very interested in it as
well... but I suspect that if they do exist they're probably going to be
way out of my price range anyway.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> Not if it was built from scratch to be PTP.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 3, 2017 7:25 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a design
> around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.
>
>
>
> On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, which
> I have, the PHY Layer should be better.
>
>
>
> I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2 and
> an AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations but
> it’s on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not the
> problem on this project, just performance.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make
> it work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be
> the only realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an
> actual LTE core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the
> best option, but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work
> better. 900mhz could also be an option if noise isn't too bad.
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson"  wrote:
>
> I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.
>
>
>
> -- Nathan
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to
> test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
> might be out there.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 th
> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with
> the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

these are the ones we are using lately

http://tyconsystems.com/index.php/25w-continuous/803-rpst1224-100-160

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Robert  wrote:

> You can get stats off the 60A ( only one with ethernet ) without any
> adapters...   effectively reducing the cost by $150...
>
> On 10/3/17 11:08 AM, Colin Stanners wrote:
>
>> Look into Morningstar, models depend on your power requirements. If you
>> buy the models with the RJ11 ports, you can get a $150 ethernet adapter so
>> you can get stats off them remotely.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Gino A. Villarini > > wrote:
>>
>> Any pointers?
>>
>> *//*
>>
>> */Gino A. Villarini/*
>>
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

dyson upstairs and downstairs..   Only vacuum that the SO and 
housekeepers haven't been able to destroy in less than a year...   And 
they have so verily tried...Specially the overheat cutoff switch...


Robert

On 10/3/17 11:08 AM, Jerry Head wrote:
We have a Dyson DC-33 downstairs, works on hardwood or carpet, bagless 
but you must clean the filter periodically.

A very good product.

Oreck upstairs, very light, uses bags though.
Another good vacuum.

On 10/3/2017 1:04 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
I recently bought a refurb Dyson v6 on Amazon for $180. Best 
investment I ever made. It replaced my hardwood cleaner and my bulky 
Kirby for carpets. I can do my entire first floor in under 20 mins and 
still have plenty of battery left. It's an engineering marvel. I 
highly recommend Dyson.



On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Nate Burke > wrote:


I'm in the market for a new Vacuum cleaner as my old one sucks, or
doesn't, which is the problem.  I could wade through thousands of
amazon reviews, but I thought I'd ask for a quick poll here. 
Floors are 50% split between carpet and hardwood.  Occasionally we

watch a dog, so pet hair pickup would be a plus.  Does a
brand/model work good for you.  Does it not?  Is bagless really
all it's purported to be.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

You can get stats off the 60A ( only one with ethernet ) without any 
adapters...   effectively reducing the cost by $150...


On 10/3/17 11:08 AM, Colin Stanners wrote:
Look into Morningstar, models depend on your power requirements. If you 
buy the models with the RJ11 ports, you can get a $150 ethernet adapter 
so you can get stats off them remotely.


On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Gino A. Villarini > wrote:


Any pointers?

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

I use morningstar MPPT versions in mountain installs where days are short
in winter...I use Tycon controllers for our desert projects with 24vdc POE
built in.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Robert  wrote:

> morningstar mppt-60.   Ethernet monitoring is going to be huge for you.
> We also team up with netonix switches and put a camera on a switch so that
> you can turn the camera on and off to save power.   needs a 24v to 12v
> power/poe adapter...
>
>  https://find-a-poe.com/product/PoE-for-USB-and-non-PoE-Devices/
>
> On 10/3/17 10:49 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>
>> Any pointers?
>>
>> *//*
>>
>> */Gino A. Villarini/*
>>
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?


How low do you go on the 60A?

On 10/3/17 10:56 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
I can get Morningstar models at good price...14A, 45A and 60A ... what 
are your load requirements?


On Oct 3, 2017 11:49 AM, "Gino A. Villarini" > wrote:


Any pointers?

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

morningstar mppt-60.   Ethernet monitoring is going to be huge for you. 
 We also team up with netonix switches and put a camera on a switch so 
that you can turn the camera on and off to save power.   needs a 24v to 
12v power/poe adapter...


 https://find-a-poe.com/product/PoE-for-USB-and-non-PoE-Devices/

On 10/3/17 10:49 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Any pointers?

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-03 Thread Colin Stanners

Look into Morningstar, models depend on your power requirements. If you buy
the models with the RJ11 ports, you can get a $150 ethernet adapter so you
can get stats off them remotely.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> Any pointers?
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

2017-10-03 Thread Jerry Head

We have a Dyson DC-33 downstairs, works on hardwood or carpet, bagless 
but you must clean the filter periodically.

A very good product.

Oreck upstairs, very light, uses bags though.
Another good vacuum.

On 10/3/2017 1:04 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
I recently bought a refurb Dyson v6 on Amazon for $180. Best 
investment I ever made. It replaced my hardwood cleaner and my bulky 
Kirby for carpets. I can do my entire first floor in under 20 mins and 
still have plenty of battery left. It's an engineering marvel. I 
highly recommend Dyson.



On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Nate Burke > wrote:


I'm in the market for a new Vacuum cleaner as my old one sucks, or
doesn't, which is the problem.  I could wade through thousands of
amazon reviews, but I thought I'd ask for a quick poll here. 
Floors are 50% split between carpet and hardwood.  Occasionally we
watch a dog, so pet hair pickup would be a plus.  Does a
brand/model work good for you.  Does it not?  Is bagless really
all it's purported to be.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

2017-10-03 Thread Eric Muehleisen

I recently bought a refurb Dyson v6 on Amazon for $180. Best investment I
ever made. It replaced my hardwood cleaner and my bulky Kirby for carpets.
I can do my entire first floor in under 20 mins and still have plenty of
battery left. It's an engineering marvel. I highly recommend Dyson.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I'm in the market for a new Vacuum cleaner as my old one sucks, or
> doesn't, which is the problem.  I could wade through thousands of amazon
> reviews, but I thought I'd ask for a quick poll here.  Floors are 50% split
> between carpet and hardwood.  Occasionally we watch a dog, so pet hair
> pickup would be a plus.  Does a brand/model work good for you.  Does it
> not?  Is bagless really all it's purported to be.
>
> Nate
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

Ha.  Just heard Foreman challenged Seagall to 10 round fight...

On Oct 3, 2017 11:52 AM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> im going to need you to meet me by the jungle gym after class, its
> fisticuffs time. Youve demeaned the shark and know i have to defend its
> honor
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> The sharks are garbage from a quality standpoint. I like my Roomba, but
>> it's not a general purpose vacuum. I know there is a lot of hype, but the
>> Dysons really are a good vacuum if you can find a deal on one.
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 3, 2017, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in the market for a new Vacuum cleaner as my old one sucks, or
>>> doesn't, which is the problem.  I could wade through thousands of amazon
>>> reviews, but I thought I'd ask for a quick poll here.  Floors are 50% split
>>> between carpet and hardwood.  Occasionally we watch a dog, so pet hair
>>> pickup would be a plus.  Does a brand/model work good for you.  Does it
>>> not?  Is bagless really all it's purported to be.
>>>
>>> Nate
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

I can get Morningstar models at good price...14A, 45A and 60A ... what are
your load requirements?

On Oct 3, 2017 11:49 AM, "Gino A. Villarini"  wrote:

> Any pointers?
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

im going to need you to meet me by the jungle gym after class, its
fisticuffs time. Youve demeaned the shark and know i have to defend its
honor

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> The sharks are garbage from a quality standpoint. I like my Roomba, but
> it's not a general purpose vacuum. I know there is a lot of hype, but the
> Dysons really are a good vacuum if you can find a deal on one.
>
> On Tuesday, October 3, 2017, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I'm in the market for a new Vacuum cleaner as my old one sucks, or
>> doesn't, which is the problem.  I could wade through thousands of amazon
>> reviews, but I thought I'd ask for a quick poll here.  Floors are 50% split
>> between carpet and hardwood.  Occasionally we watch a dog, so pet hair
>> pickup would be a plus.  Does a brand/model work good for you.  Does it
>> not?  Is bagless really all it's purported to be.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>

[AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

2017-10-03 Thread Gino A. Villarini

Any pointers?



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

2017-10-03 Thread Lewis Bergman

Orek. Wide had had one for decades. Pretty light too.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017, 12:31 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> My sons wife bought a Rainbow a few months back  and loves it.  My mom has
> the original model and it still works.  I have no carpet at home... never
> liked it.
>
> On Oct 3, 2017 11:26 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> We don’t seem to have those problems.
>>
>> *From:* Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 03, 2017 11:03 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners
>>
>> I had a Roomba in years gone by, it would always get stuck under
>> chairs/couches/tables, and was impossible to clean.ï¿½ Hair would get would
>> around all the brushes.ï¿½ Spent more time cleaning the Roomba than it
>> spent on the floor.ï¿½
>>
>> On 10/3/2017 11:52 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>
>> Roomba
>>
>> So glad I got mine :)
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:38 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in the market for a new Vacuum cleaner as my old one sucks, or
>>> doesn't, which is the problem.ï¿½ I could wade through thousands of
>>> amazon
>>> reviews, but I thought I'd ask for a quick poll here.ï¿½ Floors are 50%
>>> split between carpet and hardwood.ï¿½ Occasionally we watch a dog, so pet
>>> hair pickup would be a plus.ï¿½ Does a brand/model work good for you.
>>> Does it not?ï¿½ Is bagless really all it's purported to be.
>>>
>>> Nate
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

Put something under the couch legs so it's up another 1/8"? :-p 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 12:40:45 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners 

Hmm, the height that our couches sat off the floor was the exact height as the 
roomba. So it wouldn't sense running into anything and happily drive under the 
couch, then get all confused that it's wedged into something. I'm sure the AI 
has gotten better (mine is probably at least 10 years old) 

How does it do around like kitchen table chairs or area rugs on the hardwood? 


On 10/3/2017 12:26 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: 





We don’t seem to have those problems. 




From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 11:03 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners 

I had a Roomba in years gone by, it would always get stuck under 
chairs/couches/tables, and was impossible to clean.ï¿½ Hair would get would 
around all the brushes.ï¿½ Spent more time cleaning the Roomba than it spent on 
the floor.ï¿½ 


On 10/3/2017 11:52 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: 




Roomba 

So glad I got mine :) 



On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:38 AM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 


I'm in the market for a new Vacuum cleaner as my old one sucks, or 
doesn't, which is the problem.ï¿½ I could wade through thousands of amazon 
reviews, but I thought I'd ask for a quick poll here.ï¿½ Floors are 50% 
split between carpet and hardwood.ï¿½ Occasionally we watch a dog, so pet 
hair pickup would be a plus.ï¿½ Does a brand/model work good for you. 
Does it not?ï¿½ Is bagless really all it's purported to be. 

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

2017-10-03 Thread Nate Burke

Hmm, the height that our couches sat off the floor was the exact height 
as the roomba.  So it wouldn't sense running into anything and happily 
drive under the couch, then get all confused that it's wedged into 
something.  I'm sure the AI has gotten better (mine is probably at least 
10 years old)


How does it do around like kitchen table chairs or area rugs on the 
hardwood?


On 10/3/2017 12:26 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

We don’t seem to have those problems.
*From:* Nate Burke
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 03, 2017 11:03 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners
I had a Roomba in years gone by, it would always get stuck under 
chairs/couches/tables, and was impossible to clean.ï¿½ Hair would get 
would around all the brushes.ï¿½ Spent more time cleaning the Roomba 
than it spent on the floor.ï¿½


On 10/3/2017 11:52 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:

Roomba
So glad I got mine :)
On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:38 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

I'm in the market for a new Vacuum cleaner as my old one sucks, or
doesn't, which is the problem.ï¿½ I could wade through thousands
of amazon
reviews, but I thought I'd ask for a quick poll here.ï¿½ Floors
are 50%
split between carpet and hardwood.ï¿½ Occasionally we watch a
dog, so pet
hair pickup would be a plus.ï¿½ Does a brand/model work good for you.
Does it not?ï¿½ Is bagless really all it's purported to be.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

My sons wife bought a Rainbow a few months back  and loves it.  My mom has
the original model and it still works.  I have no carpet at home... never
liked it.

On Oct 3, 2017 11:26 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> We don’t seem to have those problems.
>
> *From:* Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 03, 2017 11:03 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners
>
> I had a Roomba in years gone by, it would always get stuck under
> chairs/couches/tables, and was impossible to clean.ï¿½ Hair would get would
> around all the brushes.ï¿½ Spent more time cleaning the Roomba than it
> spent on the floor.ï¿½
>
> On 10/3/2017 11:52 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> Roomba
>
> So glad I got mine :)
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:38 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I'm in the market for a new Vacuum cleaner as my old one sucks, or
>> doesn't, which is the problem.ï¿½ I could wade through thousands of amazon
>> reviews, but I thought I'd ask for a quick poll here.ï¿½ Floors are 50%
>> split between carpet and hardwood.ï¿½ Occasionally we watch a dog, so pet
>> hair pickup would be a plus.ï¿½ Does a brand/model work good for you.
>> Does it not?ï¿½ Is bagless really all it's purported to be.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

We don’t seem to have those problems.  

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 11:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

I had a Roomba in years gone by, it would always get stuck under 
chairs/couches/tables, and was impossible to clean.ï¿½ Hair would get would 
around all the brushes.ï¿½ Spent more time cleaning the Roomba than it spent on 
the floor.ï¿½ 

On 10/3/2017 11:52 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:

  Roomba

  So glad I got mine :)

  On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:38 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

I'm in the market for a new Vacuum cleaner as my old one sucks, or
doesn't, which is the problem.ï¿½ I could wade through thousands of amazon
reviews, but I thought I'd ask for a quick poll here.ï¿½ Floors are 50%
split between carpet and hardwood.ï¿½ Occasionally we watch a dog, so pet
hair pickup would be a plus.ï¿½ Does a brand/model work good for you.
Does it not?ï¿½ Is bagless really all it's purported to be.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

roomba

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 10:38 AM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners 

I'm in the market for a new Vacuum cleaner as my old one sucks, or 
doesn't, which is the problem.  I could wade through thousands of amazon 
reviews, but I thought I'd ask for a quick poll here.  Floors are 50% 
split between carpet and hardwood.  Occasionally we watch a dog, so pet 
hair pickup would be a plus.  Does a brand/model work good for you.  
Does it not?  Is bagless really all it's purported to be.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

2017-10-03 Thread Jason McKemie

The sharks are garbage from a quality standpoint. I like my Roomba, but
it's not a general purpose vacuum. I know there is a lot of hype, but the
Dysons really are a good vacuum if you can find a deal on one.

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I'm in the market for a new Vacuum cleaner as my old one sucks, or
> doesn't, which is the problem.  I could wade through thousands of amazon
> reviews, but I thought I'd ask for a quick poll here.  Floors are 50% split
> between carpet and hardwood.  Occasionally we watch a dog, so pet hair
> pickup would be a plus.  Does a brand/model work good for you.  Does it
> not?  Is bagless really all it's purported to be.
>
> Nate
>

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

Watched some of the Tarana Wireless videos.  Reminds me of Orthogan videos
and that other company with 5GHz Nlos 800Mbps product that was around
8500.00...i shared pictures and stuff From Tessco show ...two years ago

On Oct 3, 2017 11:04 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> Not if it was built from scratch to be PTP.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 3, 2017 7:25 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a design
> around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.
>
>
>
> On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, which
> I have, the PHY Layer should be better.
>
>
>
> I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2 and
> an AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations but
> it’s on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not the
> problem on this project, just performance.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make
> it work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be
> the only realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an
> actual LTE core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the
> best option, but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work
> better. 900mhz could also be an option if noise isn't too bad.
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson"  wrote:
>
> I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.
>
>
>
> -- Nathan
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to
> test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
> might be out there.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 th
> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with
> the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

2017-10-03 Thread Josh Reynolds

So drop everything in LTE but the phy layer.

..





Ok.

On Oct 3, 2017 12:04 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> Not if it was built from scratch to be PTP.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 3, 2017 7:25 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a design
> around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.
>
>
>
> On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, which
> I have, the PHY Layer should be better.
>
>
>
> I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2 and
> an AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations but
> it’s on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not the
> problem on this project, just performance.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make
> it work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be
> the only realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an
> actual LTE core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the
> best option, but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work
> better. 900mhz could also be an option if noise isn't too bad.
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson"  wrote:
>
> I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.
>
>
>
> -- Nathan
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to
> test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
> might be out there.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 th
> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with
> the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

Not if it was built from scratch to be PTP.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 7:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a design 
around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.

On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, which I 
have, the PHY Layer should be better.

I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2 and an 
AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations but it’s 
on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not the problem 
on this project, just performance.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make it 
work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be the only 
realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an actual LTE 
core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the best option, 
but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work better. 900mhz could 
also be an option if noise isn't too bad.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson" 
> wrote:
I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.

-- Nathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 
2.4GHz?

I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to test 
2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that might be out 
there.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street 
• Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with the 
best team that wins!” — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

2017-10-03 Thread Nate Burke

I had a Roomba in years gone by, it would always get stuck under 
chairs/couches/tables, and was impossible to clean.  Hair would get 
would around all the brushes.  Spent more time cleaning the Roomba than 
it spent on the floor.


On 10/3/2017 11:52 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:

Roomba

So glad I got mine :)


On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:38 AM Nate Burke > wrote:


I'm in the market for a new Vacuum cleaner as my old one sucks, or
doesn't, which is the problem.  I could wade through thousands of
amazon
reviews, but I thought I'd ask for a quick poll here. Floors are 50%
split between carpet and hardwood.  Occasionally we watch a dog,
so pet
hair pickup would be a plus.  Does a brand/model work good for you.
Does it not?  Is bagless really all it's purported to be.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

2017-10-03 Thread Adair Winter

Shark is really good.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Go to walmart, buy a shark. Rock solid, lifetime warranty *** They replace
> one lost part for free, the pet fur attachment is amazing (it will tear
> delicate fabric)
> low cost
> they have the new line thats got front brushes
>
> the brand is solid, so really youd base your model on the features you want
>
> I gave one to the old lady on one of those gift days (Christmas, birthday,
> mothers day, valentines) dont recall which one, but she was ecstatic. you
> know its a good product when a woman is excited youre acting like a sexist
> ruffian on holiday.
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I'm in the market for a new Vacuum cleaner as my old one sucks, or
>> doesn't, which is the problem.  I could wade through thousands of amazon
>> reviews, but I thought I'd ask for a quick poll here.  Floors are 50% split
>> between carpet and hardwood.  Occasionally we watch a dog, so pet hair
>> pickup would be a plus.  Does a brand/model work good for you.  Does it
>> not?  Is bagless really all it's purported to be.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>
>


-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

Go to walmart, buy a shark. Rock solid, lifetime warranty *** They replace
one lost part for free, the pet fur attachment is amazing (it will tear
delicate fabric)
low cost
they have the new line thats got front brushes

the brand is solid, so really youd base your model on the features you want

I gave one to the old lady on one of those gift days (Christmas, birthday,
mothers day, valentines) dont recall which one, but she was ecstatic. you
know its a good product when a woman is excited youre acting like a sexist
ruffian on holiday.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I'm in the market for a new Vacuum cleaner as my old one sucks, or
> doesn't, which is the problem.  I could wade through thousands of amazon
> reviews, but I thought I'd ask for a quick poll here.  Floors are 50% split
> between carpet and hardwood.  Occasionally we watch a dog, so pet hair
> pickup would be a plus.  Does a brand/model work good for you.  Does it
> not?  Is bagless really all it's purported to be.
>
> Nate
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

Roomba

So glad I got mine :)


On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:38 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I'm in the market for a new Vacuum cleaner as my old one sucks, or
> doesn't, which is the problem.  I could wade through thousands of amazon
> reviews, but I thought I'd ask for a quick poll here.  Floors are 50%
> split between carpet and hardwood.  Occasionally we watch a dog, so pet
> hair pickup would be a plus.  Does a brand/model work good for you.
> Does it not?  Is bagless really all it's purported to be.
>
> Nate
>

[AFMUG] OT: Vacuum Cleaners

2017-10-03 Thread Nate Burke

I'm in the market for a new Vacuum cleaner as my old one sucks, or 
doesn't, which is the problem.  I could wade through thousands of amazon 
reviews, but I thought I'd ask for a quick poll here.  Floors are 50% 
split between carpet and hardwood.  Occasionally we watch a dog, so pet 
hair pickup would be a plus.  Does a brand/model work good for you.  
Does it not?  Is bagless really all it's purported to be.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

Yea, I’m not even sure where to go with this .  LTE is ideally suited for this 
type of NLOS application over 802.11 or any of the other PHY Layers.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 7:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

You can masterbate, or you can screw a chicken. Just because you mave the 
chicken in your hand when you screw it doesnt mean youre masterbating.
In other words use equipment as its intended

On Oct 3, 2017 9:25 AM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> wrote:
Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a design 
around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.

On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, which I 
have, the PHY Layer should be better.

I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2 and an 
AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations but it’s 
on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not the problem 
on this project, just performance.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make it 
work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be the only 
realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an actual LTE 
core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the best option, 
but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work better. 900mhz could 
also be an option if noise isn't too bad.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson" 
> wrote:
I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.

-- Nathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 
2.4GHz?

I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to test 
2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that might be out 
there.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street 
• Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with the 
best team that wins!” — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

Thanks.  I just sent them an email.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 6:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Tarana Wireless

From: Af > on behalf of Mike 
Hammett >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:58 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

He's wanting PtP for the NLOS benefits it provides.

I've seen PtP LTE products, but I can't remember where. I'd be looking towards 
the cell backhaul guys.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Mathew Howard" >
To: "af" >
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?
Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make it 
work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be the only 
realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an actual LTE 
core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the best option, 
but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work better. 900mhz could 
also be an option if noise isn't too bad.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson" 
> wrote:
I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.

-- Nathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 
2.4GHz?

I've got a remote link, 5 miles, with about 1Ž2 mile of trees.  I'm going to 
test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that might 
be out there.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street 
* Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"It's not the team with the best players that win, it's the players with the 
best team that wins!" - Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

2017-10-03 Thread Josh Reynolds

There is a link between early head trauma and serial killers.

Long term CTE also has recently explained a lot of aggressive and impulsive
behaviors.

This guy was not impulsive. He had been at the hotel with 25 guns since
Thursday. He had intent and patience.

On Oct 3, 2017 9:48 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> Could be.
>
> I read an article profiling a bunch of mass shooters/killers.
>
>
>- In almost all cases people thought they were a super nice, quiet
>guy.  One exception being the Orlando night club shooter, who apparently
>was kind of an obnoxious dudebro.
>- A disproportionate number of them had divorced parents.
>- Almost all of them were young.  The Vegas guy being 64 is an
>exception.
>- I know some of you are thinking Jihadist, but that's actually the
>exception rather than the rule.  That said, having a crazy belief system of
>some type is usually a part of itconspiracy theories, CIA mind control,
>and other such crap.
>- Feeling disenfranchised is common.
>
>
> None of these are reliable indicators though.  The profile "nice, young
> guy with divorced parents and some unusual beliefs" is not really a
> profile.  That's millions of people.
>
> If there was a way to narrow that down it would be great, but even if you
> had a reliable test for who's likely to snap and go on a rampage, who would
> you administer the test to?  Everyone?
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 10/3/2017 9:37:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
> More accurately it might be said that with our current knowledge of mental
> health and his exposure to others, we didn't see a mental health problem.
> You have to have something wrong in your head to do what he did. We need to
> increase our mental health research and once we have something concrete,
> make sure we have awareness of what to look for.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Andy Trimmell" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 3, 2017 8:33:19 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
> In my eyes I don’t foresee a way to catch this sort of thing unless you
> have some sort of “Minority Report” from the movies. Early reports state
> the guy had no mental health issues and had one citation that was removed
> through the court system.  The story is he had 2 homes and gambled online
> and didn’t talk to his neighbors much.  Sounds like most of the people I
> know or have known. I live in a huge community and no one talks to their
> neighbors anymore and everyone spends way too much time online 
> or doing something.
>
>
>
> Evil will always find a way to hinder our lives. If we ban guns they’ll do
> the same thing they did on 9/11 and fly planes into more buildings.
> Australia doesn’t have guns and people have recently began driving cars
> into crowds of people to have the same effect. Do we ban cars? Murder is
> already banned in every place on Earth but it happens every second. The
> most important thing is that we as the non-crazy people that we stick
> together and figure out a solution. We can’t continue down this road of
> divisive chatter, not just here but as a whole society. Too often online
> and on TV people talking about one group hating another and then mitigate
> it with more hate through personal attacks, threats etc.
>
>
>
> Remember we’re the good guys (most of us). Let’s also remember we’re on
> the same side.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
>
>
> Andy Trimmell
>
> *Systems Engineer*
>
> *PDS Connect*
>
> 317-831-3000 <(317)%20831-3000>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 03, 2017 7:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
>
>
> The only reason we have not experienced a attack of this class with a WMD
> is because plutonium is fucking hard to get..
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of "li...@packetflux.com" <
> li...@packetflux.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 12:05 AM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
>
>
> After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

You have a point there.

-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/3/2017 10:57:59 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

Sheeple should really be more concerned about identifying day to day 
criminals than mass murderers. Gangs have more mass murderers walking 
the streets next to you daily today than all the combined mass 
murderers in the history of the country. The city of chicago has a 
higher shooting/kill count this year than this guy.

Worrying about identifying mass shooters beforehand is the epitome not 
seeing the forrest through the trees.

Really should have killed this thread.

On Oct 3, 2017 9:50 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
Reports on NPR is that there were both full auto as well as 
"conversions" in the assortment of 23-some-odd weapons found in the 
room.

bp

On 10/3/2017 1:28 AM, George Skorup wrote:
I think we might possibly be overthinking this whole full auto 
narrative that the media is pushing. Just watched a video that 
someone shot from near the base of the hotel. The video is from an 
NSFW site that a friend sent me. I'll post the link if you guys want. 
It sounds like this fuckwit is using an external rotary trigger 
device. Think gatling gun. You can hear the cyclic rate change. 
That's not something a full auto does. Probably his trigger 
masturbation hand getting tired. Fucking piece of shit. Sorry for 
that. I'm going back to bed.

On 10/2/2017 11:05 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun control have 
prevented this tragedy' topic, I've sort of come to the conclusion 
that with one possible exception, there really isn't anything which 
would have made much of a difference.

Assuming that the shooter has a perfectly clean record (he did), you 
have to look at what restrictions you're willing to put on 
recreational gun owners.  In every case I've thought of (restricting 
total number of guns, restricting ammo purchases, etc.), it seems 
based on the information we have that this attack could have been 
carried out with access to the exact same arsenal that a 
recreational gun user should have access to.   (Assuming one buys 
into the belief that there should be recreational gun users - let's 
NOT go down that path, since that would definitely end up leading to 
somewhere we don't want to go on this list).

The only possible additional restriction I can see which may have 
helped is further restricting devices designed to effectively 
convert non-automatic weapons to automatic functions.  I find it 
irrational that one would restrict automatic weapons, but would not 
apply similar restrictions to "conversion" products. On the 
other hand, I can think of dozens of ways to modify a semi-automatic 
to automatic functions, many of which made easier to accomplish with 
the prevalence of 3d printing.

Which leads me to the belief that we need to go deeper into the 
cause here.   Access to guns is not the problem.   Having people who 
want to use guns (or other weapons) in this way is the problem - the 
question is how do we solve that one?

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:39 PM, George Skorup 
 wrote:
We have the FOID in IL. You cannot buy or transport firearms or 
ammo without your card on you. Our CCL is a completely separate 
card, and yep, you gotta have both on you to carry.
Our waiting periods are 1 day for long guns, 3 days for hand guns. 
Our 4473s/background checks are ran through both the IL State 
Police and NICS.

So no, it is not "easy" to buy guns legally for the law-abiding 
here.

None of this stops the gang bangers from getting guns. Nor the 
quiet nut jobs.

On 10/2/2017 6:05 PM, Jason Wilson wrote:
I need to clarify my last message. in California we have the 
pleasure of waiting 10 days before we can pick up the firearms 
that we purchased. in the state of Nevada there is no waiting 
period and they can be purchased over the counter

On Oct 2, 2017 3:26 PM, "Carl Peterson" 
 wrote:
How on earth does someone buy that many guns and that much ammo 
without setting off all sorts of sirens?  You would think ATF 
would have some sort of triggers set for when someone buys a 
bunch of guns and ammo.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:
59 dead, 527 injured,. 18 more guns found at one home with 
thousands of rounds plus electronics of some kind.

On Oct 2, 2017 1:30 PM, "George Skorup" 
 wrote:

s/clip/magazine

Sorry Bill, had to.

On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many minutes; 
maybe 15 or 20 or so. From the sound, you could hear what 
sounded like automatic weapon fire going and going until the 
clip was empty (and it sounded like a big clip). Then there 
was a brief pause (people on the scene described

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?


That's a very colorful metaphor.

LTE might help with tree issues, but it comes with a lot of baggage.  If 
there's a PTP product that simplifies the situation I might actually be 
interested too.



-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/3/2017 10:42:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 
3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?


You can masterbate, or you can screw a chicken. Just because you mave 
the chicken in your hand when you screw it doesnt mean youre 
masterbating.

In other words use equipment as its intended

On Oct 3, 2017 9:25 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a 
design around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.


On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, 
which I have, the PHY Layer should be better.




I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism 
AC2 and an AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth 
limitations but it’s on the table depending on how this test goes.   
Budget is also not the problem on this project, just performance.




Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there 
for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?




Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could 
make it work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would 
probably be the only realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be 
dealing with an actual LTE core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, 
airfiber is probably the best option, but if there's a low noise 
floor, 2.4ghz is going to work better. 900mhz could also be an option 
if noise isn't too bad.




On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson"  wrote:

I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.



-- Nathan



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 
3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?




I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m 
going to test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE 
products that might be out there.




Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37 
th Street 
• Phoenix • AZ 85040


602-426-0542 

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net



“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players 
with the best team that wins!” — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

We don't know what we don't know. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 9:48:53 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 


Could be. 


I read an article profiling a bunch of mass shooters/killers. 




* In almost all cases people thought they were a super nice, quiet guy. One 
exception being the Orlando night club shooter, who apparently was kind of an 
obnoxious dudebro. 
* A disproportionate number of them had divorced parents. 
* Almost all of them were young. The Vegas guy being 64 is an exception. 
* I know some of you are thinking Jihadist, but that's actually the 
exception rather than the rule. That said, having a crazy belief system of some 
type is usually a part of itconspiracy theories, CIA mind control, and 
other such crap. 
* Feeling disenfranchised is common. 



None of these are reliable indicators though. The profile "nice, young guy with 
divorced parents and some unusual beliefs" is not really a profile. That's 
millions of people. 


If there was a way to narrow that down it would be great, but even if you had a 
reliable test for who's likely to snap and go on a rampage, who would you 
administer the test to? Everyone? 


-Adam 








-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/3/2017 9:37:48 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 





More accurately it might be said that with our current knowledge of mental 
health and his exposure to others, we didn't see a mental health problem. You 
have to have something wrong in your head to do what he did. We need to 
increase our mental health research and once we have something concrete, make 
sure we have awareness of what to look for. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Andy Trimmell" < atrimm...@precisionds.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 8:33:19 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 



In my eyes I don’t foresee a way to catch this sort of thing unless you have 
some sort of “Minority Report” from the movies. Early reports state the guy had 
no mental health issues and had one citation that was removed through the court 
system. The story is he had 2 homes and gambled online and didn’t talk to his 
neighbors much. Sounds like most of the people I know or have known. I live in 
a huge community and no one talks to their neighbors anymore and everyone 
spends way too much time online  or doing something. 

Evil will always find a way to hinder our lives. If we ban guns they’ll do the 
same thing they did on 9/11 and fly planes into more buildings. Australia 
doesn’t have guns and people have recently began driving cars into crowds of 
people to have the same effect. Do we ban cars? Murder is already banned in 
every place on Earth but it happens every second. The most important thing is 
that we as the non-crazy people that we stick together and figure out a 
solution. We can’t continue down this road of divisive chatter, not just here 
but as a whole society. Too often online and on TV people talking about one 
group hating another and then mitigate it with more hate through personal 
attacks, threats etc. 

Remember we’re the good guys (most of us). Let’s also remember we’re on the 
same side. 


Best Regards, 


Andy Trimmell 
Systems Engineer 
PDS Connect 
317-831-3000 





From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 7:01 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 


The only reason we have not experienced a attack of this class with a WMD is 
because plutonium is fucking hard to get.. 



From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of " li...@packetflux.com " < 
li...@packetflux.com > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 12:05 AM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 






After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun control have prevented this 
tragedy' topic, I've sort of come to the conclusion that with one possible 
exception, there really isn't anything which would have made much of a 
difference. 



Assuming that the shooter has a perfectly clean record (he did), you have to 
look at what restrictions you're willing to put on recreational gun owners. In 
every case I've thought of (restricting total number of guns, restricting ammo 
purchases, etc.), it seems based on the information we have that this attack 
could have been carried out with access to the exact same arsenal that a 
recreational gun user should have access to. (Assuming one buys into the belief 
that there should be recreational gun users - let's

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

2017-10-03 Thread Colin Stanners

I need to find my Steve quotes file as that definitely belongs in there.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> You can masturbate, or you can screw a chicken. Just because you move the
> chicken in your hand when you screw it doesn't mean you're masturbating.
> In other words use equipment as it is intended.
>
> On Oct 3, 2017 9:25 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a
>> design around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.
>>
>> On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>>
>>> I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise,
>>> which I have, the PHY Layer should be better.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2
>>> and an AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations
>>> but it’s on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not
>>> the problem on this project, just performance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there
>>> for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could
>>> make it work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably
>>> be the only realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an
>>> actual LTE core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the
>>> best option, but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work
>>> better. 900mhz could also be an option if noise isn't too bad.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson"  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Nathan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
>>> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going
>>> to test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
>>> might be out there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>>
>>> *4226 S. 37
>>> th Street •
>>> Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>>
>>> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>>>
>>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>>
>>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players
>>> with the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

Reports on NPR is that there were both full auto as well as 
"conversions" in the assortment of 23-some-odd weapons found in the room.

bp

On 10/3/2017 1:28 AM, George Skorup wrote:
I think we might possibly be overthinking this whole full auto 
narrative that the media is pushing. Just watched a video that someone 
shot from near the base of the hotel. The video is from an NSFW site 
that a friend sent me. I'll post the link if you guys want. It sounds 
like this fuckwit is using an external rotary trigger device. Think 
gatling gun. You can hear the cyclic rate change. That's not something 
a full auto does. Probably his trigger masturbation hand getting 
tired. Fucking piece of shit. Sorry for that. I'm going back to bed.

On 10/2/2017 11:05 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun control have 
prevented this tragedy' topic, I've sort of come to the conclusion 
that with one possible exception, there really isn't anything which 
would have made much of a difference.

Assuming that the shooter has a perfectly clean record (he did), you 
have to look at what restrictions you're willing to put on 
recreational gun owners.  In every case I've thought of (restricting 
total number of guns, restricting ammo purchases, etc.), it seems 
based on the information we have that this attack could have been 
carried out with access to the exact same arsenal that a recreational 
gun user should have access to.   (Assuming one buys into the belief 
that there should be recreational gun users - let's NOT go down that 
path, since that would definitely end up leading to somewhere we 
don't want to go on this list).

The only possible additional restriction I can see which may have 
helped is further restricting devices designed to effectively convert 
non-automatic weapons to automatic functions.  I find it irrational 
that one would restrict automatic weapons, but would not apply 
similar restrictions to "conversion" products. On the other hand, 
I can think of dozens of ways to modify a semi-automatic to automatic 
functions, many of which made easier to accomplish with the 
prevalence of 3d printing.

Which leads me to the belief that we need to go deeper into the cause 
here.   Access to guns is not the problem. Having people who want to 
use guns (or other weapons) in this way is the problem - the question 
is how do we solve that one?

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:39 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:

We have the FOID in IL. You cannot buy or transport firearms or
ammo without your card on you. Our CCL is a completely separate
card, and yep, you gotta have both on you to carry.
Our waiting periods are 1 day for long guns, 3 days for hand
guns. Our 4473s/background checks are ran through both the IL
State Police and NICS.

So no, it is not "easy" to buy guns legally for the law-abiding here.

None of this stops the gang bangers from getting guns. Nor the
quiet nut jobs.

On 10/2/2017 6:05 PM, Jason Wilson wrote:

I need to clarify my last message. in California we have the
pleasure of waiting 10 days before we can pick up the firearms
that we purchased. in the state of Nevada there is no waiting
period and they can be purchased over the counter

On Oct 2, 2017 3:26 PM, "Carl Peterson"
>
wrote:

How on earth does someone buy that many guns and that much
ammo without setting off all sorts of sirens?  You would
think ATF would have some sort of triggers set for when
someone buys a bunch of guns and ammo.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Jaime Solorza
> wrote:

59 dead, 527 injured,. 18 more guns found at one home
with thousands of rounds plus electronics of some kind.

On Oct 2, 2017 1:30 PM, "George Skorup"
> wrote:

s/clip/magazine

Sorry Bill, had to.

On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many
minutes; maybe 15 or 20 or so. From the sound, you
could hear what sounded like automatic weapon fire
going and going until the clip was empty (and it
sounded like a big clip). Then there was a brief
pause (people on the scene described it as "30
seconds"), then another round with another clip.
There were at least 6 or 7 clips.

There are probably eye witness errors in the above
description, but if it's even close to correct, it
is pretty scary.

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting


Could be.

I read an article profiling a bunch of mass shooters/killers.

In almost all cases people thought they were a super nice, quiet guy.  
One exception being the Orlando night club shooter, who apparently was 
kind of an obnoxious dudebro.A disproportionate number of them had 
divorced parents.Almost all of them were young.  The Vegas guy being 64 
is an exception.I know some of you are thinking Jihadist, but that's 
actually the exception rather than the rule.  That said, having a crazy 
belief system of some type is usually a part of itconspiracy 
theories, CIA mind control, and other such crap.Feeling disenfranchised 
is common.


None of these are reliable indicators though.  The profile "nice, young 
guy with divorced parents and some unusual beliefs" is not really a 
profile.  That's millions of people.


If there was a way to narrow that down it would be great, but even if 
you had a reliable test for who's likely to snap and go on a rampage, 
who would you administer the test to?  Everyone?


-Adam




-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/3/2017 9:37:48 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

More accurately it might be said that with our current knowledge of 
mental health and his exposure to others, we didn't see a mental health 
problem. You have to have something wrong in your head to do what he 
did. We need to increase our mental health research and once we have 
something concrete, make sure we have awareness of what to look for.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 





From: "Andy Trimmell" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 8:33:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

In my eyes I don’t foresee a way to catch this sort of thing unless you 
have some sort of “Minority Report” from the movies. Early reports 
state the guy had no mental health issues and had one citation that was 
removed through the court system.  The story is he had 2 homes and 
gambled online and didn’t talk to his neighbors much.  Sounds like most 
of the people I know or have known. I live in a huge community and no 
one talks to their neighbors anymore and everyone spends way too much 
time online  or doing something.




Evil will always find a way to hinder our lives. If we ban guns they’ll 
do the same thing they did on 9/11 and fly planes into more buildings. 
Australia doesn’t have guns and people have recently began driving cars 
into crowds of people to have the same effect. Do we ban cars? Murder 
is already banned in every place on Earth but it happens every second. 
The most important thing is that we as the non-crazy people that we 
stick together and figure out a solution. We can’t continue down this 
road of divisive chatter, not just here but as a whole society. Too 
often online and on TV people talking about one group hating another 
and then mitigate it with more hate through personal attacks, threats 
etc.




Remember we’re the good guys (most of us). Let’s also remember we’re on 
the same side.






Best Regards,





Andy Trimmell

Systems Engineer

PDS Connect

317-831-3000







From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 7:01 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting



The only reason we have not experienced a attack of this class with a 
WMD is because plutonium is fucking hard to get..




From: Af  on behalf of "li...@packetflux.com" 


Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 12:05 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting



After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun control have 
prevented this tragedy' topic, I've sort of come to the conclusion that 
with one possible exception, there really isn't anything which would 
have made much of a difference.




Assuming that the shooter has a perfectly clean record (he did), you 
have to look at what restrictions you're willing to put on recreational 
gun owners.  In every case I've thought of (restricting total number of 
guns, restricting ammo purchases, etc.), it seems based on the 
information we have that this attack could have been carried out with 
access to the

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

You can masterbate, or you can screw a chicken. Just because you mave the
chicken in your hand when you screw it doesnt mean youre masterbating.
In other words use equipment as its intended

On Oct 3, 2017 9:25 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a design
> around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.
>
> On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
>> I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise,
>> which I have, the PHY Layer should be better.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2
>> and an AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations
>> but it’s on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not
>> the problem on this project, just performance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
>> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make
>> it work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be
>> the only realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an
>> actual LTE core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the
>> best option, but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work
>> better. 900mhz could also be an option if noise isn't too bad.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson"  wrote:
>>
>> I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Nathan
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
>> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going
>> to test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
>> might be out there.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37
>> th Street •
>> Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> *“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with
>> the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

I agree with this. Luckily this guy didn't take one of his planes and
fly it into the same crowd. Easily 100 dead, maybe 1000...

On 10/3/17 6:33 AM, Andy Trimmell wrote:
In my eyes I donï¿½t foresee a way to catch this sort of thing unless you
have some sort of ï¿½Minority Reportï¿½ from the movies. Early reports state
the guy had no mental health issues and had one citation that was
removed through the court system. ï¿½The story is he had 2 homes and
gambled online and didnï¿½t talk to his neighbors much.ï¿½ Sounds like most
of the people I know or have known. I live in a huge community and no
one talks to their neighbors anymore and everyone spends way too much
time online or doing something.

Evil will always find a way to hinder our lives. If we ban guns theyï¿½ll
do the same thing they did on 9/11 and fly planes into more buildings.
Australia doesnï¿½t have guns and people have recently began driving cars
into crowds of people to have the same effect. Do we ban cars? Murder is
already banned in every place on Earth but it happens every second. The
most important thing is that we as the non-crazy people that we stick
together and figure out a solution. We canï¿½t continue down this road of
divisive chatter, not just here but as a whole society. Too often online
and on TV people talking about one group hating another and then
mitigate it with more hate through personal attacks, threats etc.

Remember weï¿½re the good guys (most of us). Letï¿½s also remember weï¿½re on
the same side.

Best Regards,

Andy Trimmell

/Systems Engineer/

*PDS Connect*

317-831-3000

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 03, 2017 7:01 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

The only reason we have not experienced a attack of this class with a
WMD is because plutonium is fucking hard to get..

*From: *Af > on
behalf of "li...@packetflux.com "
>
*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com " >

*Date: *Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 12:05 AM
*To: *"af@afmug.com " >

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun control have
prevented this tragedy' topic, I've sort of come to the conclusion that
with one possible exception, there really isn't anything which would
have made much of a difference.

Assuming that the shooter has a perfectly clean record (he did), you
have to look at what restrictions you're willing to put on recreational
gun owners.ï¿½ In every case I've thought of (restricting total number of
guns, restricting ammo purchases, etc.), it seems based on the
information we have that this attack could have been carried out with
access to the exact same arsenal that a recreational gun user should
have access to.ï¿½ï¿½ (Assuming one buys into the belief that there should
be recreational gun users - let's NOT go down that path, since that
would definitely end up leading to somewhere we don't want to go on this
list).

The only possible additional restriction I can see which may have helped
is further restricting devices designed to effectively convert
non-automatic weapons to automatic functions.ï¿½ I find it irrational that
one would restrict automatic weapons, but would not apply similar
restrictions to "conversion" products.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ On the other hand, I can
think of dozens of ways to modify a semi-automatic to automatic
functions, many of which made easier to accomplish with the prevalence
of 3d printing.

Which leads me to the belief that we need to go deeper into the cause
here.ï¿½ï¿½ Access to guns is not the problem.ï¿½ï¿½ Having people who want to
use guns (or other weapons) in this way is the problem - the question is
how do we solve that one?

/*Gino A. Villarini*/

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:39 PM, George Skorup > wrote:

We have the FOID in IL. You cannot buy or transport firearms or ammo
without your card on you. Our CCL is a completely separate card, and
yep, you gotta have both on you to carry.
Our waiting periods are 1 day for long guns, 3 days for hand guns. Our
4473s/background checks are ran through both the IL State Police and NICS.

So no, it is not "easy" to buy guns legally for the law-abiding here.

None of this stops the gang bangers from getting guns. Nor the quiet nut
jobs.

On 10/2/2017 6:05 PM, Jason Wilson wrote:

I need to clarify my last message. in California we have the
pleasure of waiting 10 days before we can pick up the firearms that
we purchased. in the state of Nevada there is no waiting period and
they can be

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

2017-10-03 Thread Josh Reynolds

Complexities of the LTE stack, required components for operation, a design
around multi-client and not single endpoint performance, etc.

On Oct 3, 2017 9:12 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, which
> I have, the PHY Layer should be better.
>
>
>
> I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2 and
> an AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations but
> it’s on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not the
> problem on this project, just performance.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make
> it work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be
> the only realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an
> actual LTE core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the
> best option, but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work
> better. 900mhz could also be an option if noise isn't too bad.
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson"  wrote:
>
> I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.
>
>
>
> -- Nathan
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to
> test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
> might be out there.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 th
> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with
> the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

I've never heard of an LTE product that's made specifically for PTP, but if
there are actually such things, then that's a different story.

Typical WISPish LTE gear, like say, Baicells or Telrad has limitations that
are going to make it not very desirable for a single PTP link (or a few PTP
links, for that matter) - no bridge mode, needing an LTE core, and that
kind of thing.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, which
> I have, the PHY Layer should be better.
>
>
>
> I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2 and
> an AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations but
> it’s on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not the
> problem on this project, just performance.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make
> it work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be
> the only realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an
> actual LTE core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the
> best option, but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work
> better. 900mhz could also be an option if noise isn't too bad.
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson"  wrote:
>
> I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.
>
>
>
> -- Nathan
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for
> 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?
>
>
>
> I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to
> test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that
> might be out there.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 th
> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with
> the best team that wins!”* — Humphrey Bogart
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

I don’t understand why LTE wouldn’t be “suited”.  Assuming no noise, which I 
have, the PHY Layer should be better.

I’m trying to get at least 200Mbps and we are testing both a Prism AC2 and an 
AirFiber 2x.  900MHz is last resort due to its bandwidth limitations but it’s 
on the table depending on how this test goes.   Budget is also not the problem 
on this project, just performance.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 7:44 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make it 
work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be the only 
realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an actual LTE 
core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the best option, 
but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work better. 900mhz could 
also be an option if noise isn't too bad.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson" 
> wrote:
I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.

-- Nathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 
2.4GHz?

I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about ½ mile of trees.  I’m going to test 
2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that might be out 
there.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street 
• Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with the 
best team that wins!” — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

More accurately it might be said that with our current knowledge of mental 
health and his exposure to others, we didn't see a mental health problem. You 
have to have something wrong in your head to do what he did. We need to 
increase our mental health research and once we have something concrete, make 
sure we have awareness of what to look for. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Andy Trimmell"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 8:33:19 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 



In my eyes I don’t foresee a way to catch this sort of thing unless you have 
some sort of “Minority Report” from the movies. Early reports state the guy had 
no mental health issues and had one citation that was removed through the court 
system. The story is he had 2 homes and gambled online and didn’t talk to his 
neighbors much. Sounds like most of the people I know or have known. I live in 
a huge community and no one talks to their neighbors anymore and everyone 
spends way too much time online  or doing something. 

Evil will always find a way to hinder our lives. If we ban guns they’ll do the 
same thing they did on 9/11 and fly planes into more buildings. Australia 
doesn’t have guns and people have recently began driving cars into crowds of 
people to have the same effect. Do we ban cars? Murder is already banned in 
every place on Earth but it happens every second. The most important thing is 
that we as the non-crazy people that we stick together and figure out a 
solution. We can’t continue down this road of divisive chatter, not just here 
but as a whole society. Too often online and on TV people talking about one 
group hating another and then mitigate it with more hate through personal 
attacks, threats etc. 

Remember we’re the good guys (most of us). Let’s also remember we’re on the 
same side. 


Best Regards, 


Andy Trimmell 
Systems Engineer 
PDS Connect 
317-831-3000 





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 7:01 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 


The only reason we have not experienced a attack of this class with a WMD is 
because plutonium is fucking hard to get.. 



From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of " li...@packetflux.com " < 
li...@packetflux.com > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 12:05 AM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 






After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun control have prevented this 
tragedy' topic, I've sort of come to the conclusion that with one possible 
exception, there really isn't anything which would have made much of a 
difference. 



Assuming that the shooter has a perfectly clean record (he did), you have to 
look at what restrictions you're willing to put on recreational gun owners. In 
every case I've thought of (restricting total number of guns, restricting ammo 
purchases, etc.), it seems based on the information we have that this attack 
could have been carried out with access to the exact same arsenal that a 
recreational gun user should have access to. (Assuming one buys into the belief 
that there should be recreational gun users - let's NOT go down that path, 
since that would definitely end up leading to somewhere we don't want to go on 
this list). 



The only possible additional restriction I can see which may have helped is 
further restricting devices designed to effectively convert non-automatic 
weapons to automatic functions. I find it irrational that one would restrict 
automatic weapons, but would not apply similar restrictions to "conversion" 
products. On the other hand, I can think of dozens of ways to modify a 
semi-automatic to automatic functions, many of which made easier to accomplish 
with the prevalence of 3d printing. 



Which leads me to the belief that we need to go deeper into the cause here. 
Access to guns is not the problem. Having people who want to use guns (or other 
weapons) in this way is the problem - the question is how do we solve that one? 




Gino A. Villarini 

President 

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:39 PM, George Skorup < george.sko...@cbcast.com > 
wrote: 

We have the FOID in IL. You cannot buy or transport firearms or ammo without 
your card on you. Our CCL is a completely separate card, and yep, you gotta 
have both on you to carry. 
Our waiting periods are 1 day for long guns, 3 days for hand guns. Our 
4473s/background checks are ran through both the IL State Police and NICS. 

So no, it is not "easy" to buy guns legally for the law-abiding here. 

None of this stops the gang bangers from getting guns. Nor the quiet nut jobs. 

On 10/2/2017 6:05 PM, Jason Wilson wrote: 



I need

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

2017-10-03 Thread Andy Trimmell

In my eyes I don't foresee a way to catch this sort of thing unless you
have some sort of "Minority Report" from the movies. Early reports state
the guy had no mental health issues and had one citation that was
removed through the court system.  The story is he had 2 homes and
gambled online and didn't talk to his neighbors much.  Sounds like most
of the people I know or have known. I live in a huge community and no
one talks to their neighbors anymore and everyone spends way too much
time online  or doing something.

 

Evil will always find a way to hinder our lives. If we ban guns they'll
do the same thing they did on 9/11 and fly planes into more buildings.
Australia doesn't have guns and people have recently began driving cars
into crowds of people to have the same effect. Do we ban cars? Murder is
already banned in every place on Earth but it happens every second. The
most important thing is that we as the non-crazy people that we stick
together and figure out a solution. We can't continue down this road of
divisive chatter, not just here but as a whole society. Too often online
and on TV people talking about one group hating another and then
mitigate it with more hate through personal attacks, threats etc. 

 

Remember we're the good guys (most of us). Let's also remember we're on
the same side.

 

 

Best Regards,

 

 

Andy Trimmell

Systems Engineer

PDS Connect

317-831-3000

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 7:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

 

The only reason we have not experienced a attack of this class with a
WMD is because plutonium is fucking hard to get.. 

 

From: Af  on behalf of "li...@packetflux.com" <
li...@packetflux.com>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 12:05 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

 

After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun control have
prevented this tragedy' topic, I've sort of come to the conclusion that
with one possible exception, there really isn't anything which would
have made much of a difference.

 

Assuming that the shooter has a perfectly clean record (he did), you
have to look at what restrictions you're willing to put on recreational
gun owners.  In every case I've thought of (restricting total number of
guns, restricting ammo purchases, etc.), it seems based on the
information we have that this attack could have been carried out with
access to the exact same arsenal that a recreational gun user should
have access to.   (Assuming one buys into the belief that there should
be recreational gun users - let's NOT go down that path, since that
would definitely end up leading to somewhere we don't want to go on this
list).

 

The only possible additional restriction I can see which may have helped
is further restricting devices designed to effectively convert
non-automatic weapons to automatic functions.  I find it irrational that
one would restrict automatic weapons, but would not apply similar
restrictions to "conversion" products. On the other hand, I can
think of dozens of ways to modify a semi-automatic to automatic
functions, many of which made easier to accomplish with the prevalence
of 3d printing.

 

Which leads me to the belief that we need to go deeper into the cause
here.   Access to guns is not the problem.   Having people who want to
use guns (or other weapons) in this way is the problem - the question is
how do we solve that one?

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

 

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:39 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

We have the FOID in IL. You cannot buy or transport firearms or ammo
without your card on you. Our CCL is a completely separate card, and
yep, you gotta have both on you to carry.
Our waiting periods are 1 day for long guns, 3 days for hand guns. Our
4473s/background checks are ran through both the IL State Police and
NICS.

So no, it is not "easy" to buy guns legally for the law-abiding here.

None of this stops the gang bangers from getting guns. Nor the quiet nut
jobs.

On 10/2/2017 6:05 PM, Jason Wilson wrote:

I need to clarify my last message. in California we have the
pleasure of waiting 10 days before we can pick up the firearms that we
purchased. in the state of Nevada there is no waiting period and they
can be purchased over the counter

 

On Oct 2, 2017 3:26 PM, "Carl Peterson" <
cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:

How on earth does someone buy that many guns and that
much ammo without setting off all sorts of sirens?  You would think ATF
would have some sort of triggers set for when someone buys a bunch of
guns and ammo.  

 

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Jaime Solorza <
losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?

2017-10-03 Thread Gino A. Villarini

Tarana Wireless

From: Af > on behalf of Mike 
Hammett >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:58 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

He's wanting PtP for the NLOS benefits it provides.

I've seen PtP LTE products, but I can't remember where. I'd be looking towards 
the cell backhaul guys.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Mathew Howard" >
To: "af" >
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz 
or 2.4GHz?

Yeah... LTE isn't particularly well suited to PTP. I guess you could make it 
work, but it's going to be a little messy. Baicells would probably be the only 
realistic option, since you wouldn't want to be dealing with an actual LTE 
core. If you want to try using 3.65ghz, airfiber is probably the best option, 
but if there's a low noise floor, 2.4ghz is going to work better. 900mhz could 
also be an option if noise isn't too bad.

On Oct 2, 2017 9:37 PM, "Nathan Anderson" 
> wrote:
I'm confused by the use of "PtP" and "LTE" in the same sentence.

-- Nathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2017 7:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 
2.4GHz?

I’ve got a remote link, 5 miles, with about 1Ž2 mile of trees.  I’m going to 
test 2.4GHz tomorrow but am interested in some of the LTE products that might 
be out there.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street 
• Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“It’s not the team with the best players that win, it’s the players with the 
best team that wins!” — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] What is the faster PTP LTE products out there for 3.65GHz or 2.4GHz?