Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

[Steve Jones]

thats the brand my buddy is buying, 7k without a camera, 8k with a camera.
I want it i think, but for 700 bucks

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Not purely GPS, I think this includes multiple compasses in it. It's a
> common item for cellular sector alignment jobs, where the alignment specs
> need to match the carrier's SOW/PWS precisely.
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=3z+alignment+tool=3z+
> alignment+tool=chrome.0.0l6.1959j0j7=chrome=UTF-8
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> I already know the manual and visual tricks
>>
>> Is there a reliable unit for verifying azimuth, gps is all i can assume
>> that could do this. i see a bunch ranging 3k to 10k that i would guess work
>> pretty well, is there anything in the 300-1000 budget range that actually
>> works out there?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!

[Eric Kuhnke]

It's really region/colo/datacenter and operator specific. When you know
that somebody has a cage with 500 1U servers (or blades) in racks hosting
adult web content, you know that their traffic ratios are like 95:5
outbound:inbound...



On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I've gotten them to offer me sub $0.20 transit (before $0.20 was cool),
> but never free.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 7:25:43 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
>
> several places, if you know the owners/operators of major content source
> ISPs (dedicated hosting/VPS/virtual server/colocation/rack & cage colo)
> that have extremely heavy outbound:inbound traffic ratios, like 9:1 ratio
> or more.
>
> adding a new customer to the same ASN, consisting of a downstream WISP
> that consists of mostly singlehomed eyeballs, with a theoretical 5 or 6
> Gbps evening peak traffic in a sinewave pattern, only has the positive
> effect of very slightly evening out the upstream hosting company's traffic
> ratios with its peers and transit sources. It's almost "free" bandwidth.
>
> Some hosting companies have even sought out such downstream ISPs with the
> goal of bringing their inbound:outbound ratios into better parity for
> peering with larger regional/national ISPs.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Where is transit zero?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 6:30:57 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
>>
>> I know of one case where it is zero now.
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 5, 2017 5:24 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
>>
>> It won't hit zero, the metric will just shift to gigabit.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 6:18:15 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
>>
>> The trend is toward zero.  Just port charges.
>>
>> Just like long distance did 10 years ago.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 5, 2017 5:16 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
>>
>> You may be paying in the lowest rate bracket for the amount of bandwidth.
>> I've never heard anything lower unless you were in the 100G+ bracket.
>>
>> On Oct 5, 2017 5:21 PM,  wrote:
>>
>> I pay rates lower than 5 cents per meg...
>>
>> *From:* Chris Fabien
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 5, 2017 3:59 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
>>
>> For a new startup, the pricing you listed at 2.2/meg plus $750, that
>> actually sounds pretty reasonable to get you into a fiber circuit in the
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Thanks for your help




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

From: Sean Heskett >
Date: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 11:52 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >, 
Gino Villarini >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

Yeah I know wholesale solar is not the best price but if you are starting from 
zero they are very helpful and knowledgeable.

You can for sure shop around.  I just know Gino is probably in a crunch and 
needs to get something going and their website had a mostly complete package of 
what I'd tell him to buy.

If you just buy panels, batteries and a charge controller you'll quickly learn 
that you need a lot more to make it safe to work on and monitor/manage.

Also it'd help a lot if we had the load size in watts.  But that probably 
varries by tower site quite a bit.  I know Our smallest tower is around 
100watts but our largest is over 1000watts.

Lastly Gino if you need boots on the ground to install the solar (or wireless) 
I can probably be available after nov 2nd.

-Sean


On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 8:32 PM Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
Affordable solar can beat the price.

From: Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 9:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; g...@aeronetpr.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good - Cost Effective MPPT Solar Controller?

Hey Gino,

Since you are probably limited by time i didn't want to hold things up while i 
dig up all the photos and schematics.  so to get you started i'd suggest a 
system like this:

https://www.wholesalesolar.com/1890130/wholesale-solar/complete-systems/1.04-kw-watt-telecom-off-grid-dc-24-48v

we use this supplier a lot and they are great to work with and their prices are 
decent.

they provide the schematics for how it all gets connected and if you get 5 
hours of sunlight per day (which you should in PR even on Dec 21st) then this 
system will power a 200W tower just fine.  if your tower uses 300W then just 
add 2 more panels (and another 30A breaker) and you can still use the same 
morning star 60A charge controller.  If your tower uses more than 300W then 
keep adding panels, charge controllers and Batts.

You'll need to add batteries, connecting cables  and another 80A breaker (for 
battery cutoff) to this parts list.  we use UB-4D AGM 200 ah 12 VDC Battery at 
our towers.  we usually have 12 of them at a site but we are in CO and in 
December we will go for 2 weeks without any sun (I doubt you have that issue).  
you could probably get away with 4-8 of them per tower.

the other item you want to add is this:
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-interface-for-morningstar-serial/
and this:
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-base-unit-ii/

the morning start controller does have an ethernet port but you can use SNMP to 
query the device and graph everything, you can only look at their stats page.  
it's much easier to do graphing and alerting with the packetflux devices.

***Be sure to fuse and breaker everything you can***  you want (and need) to be 
able to turn off all power coming from the panels or batts when you need to 
work on the system.  (that's what the 80A breaker in the parts list is for.)


for the load side of things you can use these fuse blocks.  they use the car 
style blade fuses you can get at any parts store or order online.

Qty.Stock#  Mfr. Part # Cust. Part #Price (USD) Total (USD)
2   
70169109  
0801733 $5.740  $11.48
DIN Rail; Steel; Silver; 7.50 mm; 35 mm; 2 m
Ship Method:   FedEx 2nd Day

6   
70169386  
0203250 $9.040  $54.24
Fixed Bridge Bar; Term Blk; Universal; 10; Silver
Ship Method:   FedEx 2nd Day

12  
70169605  
3047167 $0.690  $8.28
Partition Plate; Term Blk; Gray; 50 mmL; 2 mm W; 48 mm H
Ship Method:   FedEx 2nd Day

40  
70169133  
3118203 $9.910  $396.40
Conn; Term Blk; Fuse; 1; 2; 26-8AWG; 30A; 300V; 4kV; M4; 1.5Nm; Flat; 
PA; 10mm
Ship Method:   FedEx 2nd Day

40  
70169365  
3004362 $0.960  $38.40
Conn; Term Blk; Feed Thru; Screw Clamp; 2; 
0.2-6sq.mm; 24-10 AWG; 6.2 mm W; Gray
Ship Method:   FedEx 2nd Day

4   
70169390  
0203263 $11.880 $47.52
Fixed Bridge Bar; Term Blk; Universal; 10; Silver
  

Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!

[Mike Hammett]

I've gotten them to offer me sub $0.20 transit (before $0.20 was cool), but 
never free. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Eric Kuhnke"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 7:25:43 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution! 


several places, if you know the owners/operators of major content source ISPs 
(dedicated hosting/VPS/virtual server/colocation/rack & cage colo) that have 
extremely heavy outbound:inbound traffic ratios, like 9:1 ratio or more. 


adding a new customer to the same ASN, consisting of a downstream WISP that 
consists of mostly singlehomed eyeballs, with a theoretical 5 or 6 Gbps evening 
peak traffic in a sinewave pattern, only has the positive effect of very 
slightly evening out the upstream hosting company's traffic ratios with its 
peers and transit sources. It's almost "free" bandwidth. 


Some hosting companies have even sought out such downstream ISPs with the goal 
of bringing their inbound:outbound ratios into better parity for peering with 
larger regional/national ISPs. 






On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Where is transit zero? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 6:30:57 PM 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution! 




I know of one case where it is zero now. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 5:24 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution! 


It won't hit zero, the metric will just shift to gigabit. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 6:18:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution! 




The trend is toward zero. Just port charges. 

Just like long distance did 10 years ago. 




From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 5:16 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution! 


You may be paying in the lowest rate bracket for the amount of bandwidth. I've 
never heard anything lower unless you were in the 100G+ bracket. 


On Oct 5, 2017 5:21 PM, < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I pay rates lower than 5 cents per meg... 




From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 3:59 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution! 



For a new startup, the pricing you listed at 2.2/meg plus $750, that actually 
sounds pretty reasonable to get you into a fiber circuit in the 100-300 meg 
range. 

You're not going to be getting 20 cents per meg for DIA unless you are buying a 
10gig circuit in a datacenter or other very competitive market. 

Long term, arranging transport to a data center is the right direction, but it 
usually isn't cost effective until you are over 1Gig of traffic. Unless you 
happen to be close to stimulus built fiber you can connect to really cheap. 



On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Al Rachide < alrach...@gmail.com > wrote: 




We are getting ready to go live from a small connection in our office, just to 
the local community, using a omni antenna. We will be expanding throughout 
three counties in eastern NC. Having read a number of post where others are 
claiming rates as low as $0.20 per mbit/sec, we can't get anything here for 
less than $2.20 per mbit/sec, PLUS a fixed loop fee of $750.00 per month per 
pop. So, how can we find a cheaper backhaul solution here in the boonies of NC? 
We have CenturyLink and Spectrum available for local connection, but would like 
to know about other options for the actual internet / backhaul connection. PS: 
We attended our first WISPA convention in Memphis and it will not be the last! 



Al Rachide 
Eastern Caroline Broadband, LLC 
Pink Hill, NC 28572 

Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

[Lewis Bergman]

10k for the one we bought with all the options. It is cool though. Really
cuts down there time on installs.

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017, 7:38 PM Tushar Patel  wrote:

> How much that cost?
>
>
> Tushar
>
>
> On Oct 5, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
> Not purely GPS, I think this includes multiple compasses in it. It's a
> common item for cellular sector alignment jobs, where the alignment specs
> need to match the carrier's SOW/PWS precisely.
>
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=3z+alignment+tool=3z+alignment+tool=chrome.0.0l6.1959j0j7=chrome=UTF-8
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> I already know the manual and visual tricks
>>
>> Is there a reliable unit for verifying azimuth, gps is all i can assume
>> that could do this. i see a bunch ranging 3k to 10k that i would guess work
>> pretty well, is there anything in the 300-1000 budget range that actually
>> works out there?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

[Tushar Patel]

How much that cost?

Tushar


> On Oct 5, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> 
> Not purely GPS, I think this includes multiple compasses in it. It's a common 
> item for cellular sector alignment jobs, where the alignment specs need to 
> match the carrier's SOW/PWS precisely.
> 
> https://www.google.com/search?q=3z+alignment+tool=3z+alignment+tool=chrome.0.0l6.1959j0j7=chrome=UTF-8
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Steve Jones  
>> wrote:
>> I already know the manual and visual tricks
>> 
>> Is there a reliable unit for verifying azimuth, gps is all i can assume that 
>> could do this. i see a bunch ranging 3k to 10k that i would guess work 
>> pretty well, is there anything in the 300-1000 budget range that actually 
>> works out there?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

[Eric Kuhnke]

Not purely GPS, I think this includes multiple compasses in it. It's a
common item for cellular sector alignment jobs, where the alignment specs
need to match the carrier's SOW/PWS precisely.

https://www.google.com/search?q=3z+alignment+tool=3z+alignment+tool=chrome.0.0l6.1959j0j7=chrome=UTF-8



On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I already know the manual and visual tricks
>
> Is there a reliable unit for verifying azimuth, gps is all i can assume
> that could do this. i see a bunch ranging 3k to 10k that i would guess work
> pretty well, is there anything in the 300-1000 budget range that actually
> works out there?
>

Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!

[Eric Kuhnke]

several places, if you know the owners/operators of major content source
ISPs (dedicated hosting/VPS/virtual server/colocation/rack & cage colo)
that have extremely heavy outbound:inbound traffic ratios, like 9:1 ratio
or more.

adding a new customer to the same ASN, consisting of a downstream WISP that
consists of mostly singlehomed eyeballs, with a theoretical 5 or 6 Gbps
evening peak traffic in a sinewave pattern, only has the positive effect of
very slightly evening out the upstream hosting company's traffic ratios
with its peers and transit sources. It's almost "free" bandwidth.

Some hosting companies have even sought out such downstream ISPs with the
goal of bringing their inbound:outbound ratios into better parity for
peering with larger regional/national ISPs.



On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Where is transit zero?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 6:30:57 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
>
> I know of one case where it is zero now.
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 5, 2017 5:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
>
> It won't hit zero, the metric will just shift to gigabit.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 6:18:15 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
>
> The trend is toward zero.  Just port charges.
>
> Just like long distance did 10 years ago.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 5, 2017 5:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
>
> You may be paying in the lowest rate bracket for the amount of bandwidth.
> I've never heard anything lower unless you were in the 100G+ bracket.
>
> On Oct 5, 2017 5:21 PM,  wrote:
>
> I pay rates lower than 5 cents per meg...
>
> *From:* Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 5, 2017 3:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!
>
> For a new startup, the pricing you listed at 2.2/meg plus $750, that
> actually sounds pretty reasonable to get you into a fiber circuit in the
> 100-300 meg range.
>
> You're not going to be getting 20 cents per meg for DIA unless you are
> buying a 10gig circuit in a datacenter or other very competitive market.
>
> Long term, arranging transport to a data center is the right direction,
> but it usually isn't cost effective until you are over 1Gig of traffic.
> Unless you happen to be close to stimulus built fiber you can connect to
> really cheap.
>
> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Al Rachide  wrote:
>
>> We are getting ready to go live from a small connection in our office,
>> just to the local community, using a omni antenna. We will be expanding
>> throughout three counties in eastern NC. Having read a number of post where
>> others are claiming rates as low as $0.20 per mbit/sec, we can't get
>> anything here for less than $2.20 per mbit/sec, PLUS a fixed loop fee of
>> $750.00 per month per pop. So, how can we find a cheaper backhaul solution
>> here in the boonies of NC? We have CenturyLink and Spectrum available for
>> local connection, but would like to know about other options for the actual
>> internet / backhaul connection. PS: We attended our first WISPA convention
>> in Memphis and it will not be the last!
>>
>> Al Rachide
>> Eastern Caroline Broadband, LLC
>> Pink Hill, NC 28572
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!

[Mike Hammett]

Where is transit zero? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 6:30:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution! 




I know of one case where it is zero now. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 5:24 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution! 


It won't hit zero, the metric will just shift to gigabit. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 6:18:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution! 




The trend is toward zero. Just port charges. 

Just like long distance did 10 years ago. 




From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 5:16 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution! 


You may be paying in the lowest rate bracket for the amount of bandwidth. I've 
never heard anything lower unless you were in the 100G+ bracket. 


On Oct 5, 2017 5:21 PM, < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I pay rates lower than 5 cents per meg... 




From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 3:59 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution! 



For a new startup, the pricing you listed at 2.2/meg plus $750, that actually 
sounds pretty reasonable to get you into a fiber circuit in the 100-300 meg 
range. 

You're not going to be getting 20 cents per meg for DIA unless you are buying a 
10gig circuit in a datacenter or other very competitive market. 

Long term, arranging transport to a data center is the right direction, but it 
usually isn't cost effective until you are over 1Gig of traffic. Unless you 
happen to be close to stimulus built fiber you can connect to really cheap. 



On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Al Rachide < alrach...@gmail.com > wrote: 




We are getting ready to go live from a small connection in our office, just to 
the local community, using a omni antenna. We will be expanding throughout 
three counties in eastern NC. Having read a number of post where others are 
claiming rates as low as $0.20 per mbit/sec, we can't get anything here for 
less than $2.20 per mbit/sec, PLUS a fixed loop fee of $750.00 per month per 
pop. So, how can we find a cheaper backhaul solution here in the boonies of NC? 
We have CenturyLink and Spectrum available for local connection, but would like 
to know about other options for the actual internet / backhaul connection. PS: 
We attended our first WISPA convention in Memphis and it will not be the last! 



Al Rachide 
Eastern Caroline Broadband, LLC 
Pink Hill, NC 28572 

Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!

[chuck]

I know of one case where it is zero now.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 5:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!

It won't hit zero, the metric will just shift to gigabit.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 6:18:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!


The trend is toward zero.  Just port charges.  

Just like long distance did 10 years ago.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 5:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!

You may be paying in the lowest rate bracket for the amount of bandwidth. I've 
never heard anything lower unless you were in the 100G+ bracket.

On Oct 5, 2017 5:21 PM,  wrote:

  I pay rates lower than 5 cents per meg...

  From: Chris Fabien 
  Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 3:59 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!

  For a new startup, the pricing you listed at 2.2/meg plus $750, that actually 
sounds pretty reasonable to get you into a fiber circuit in the 100-300 meg 
range.  

  You're not going to be getting 20 cents per meg for DIA unless you are buying 
a 10gig circuit in a datacenter or other very competitive market. 

  Long term, arranging transport to a data center is the right direction, but 
it usually isn't cost effective until you are over 1Gig of traffic. Unless you 
happen to be close to stimulus built fiber you can connect to really cheap. 

  On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Al Rachide  wrote:

We are getting ready to go live from a small connection in our office, just 
to the local community, using a omni antenna. We will be expanding throughout 
three counties in eastern NC. Having read a number of post where others are 
claiming rates as low as $0.20 per mbit/sec, we can't get anything here for 
less than $2.20 per mbit/sec, PLUS a fixed loop fee of $750.00 per month per 
pop. So, how can we find a cheaper backhaul solution here in the boonies of NC? 
We have CenturyLink and Spectrum available for local connection, but would like 
to know about other options for the actual internet / backhaul connection. PS: 
We attended our first WISPA convention in Memphis and it will not be the last! 


Al Rachide
Eastern Caroline Broadband, LLC
Pink Hill, NC 28572

Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!

[Mike Hammett]

It won't hit zero, the metric will just shift to gigabit. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 6:18:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution! 




The trend is toward zero. Just port charges. 

Just like long distance did 10 years ago. 




From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 5:16 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution! 


You may be paying in the lowest rate bracket for the amount of bandwidth. I've 
never heard anything lower unless you were in the 100G+ bracket. 


On Oct 5, 2017 5:21 PM, < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I pay rates lower than 5 cents per meg... 




From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 3:59 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution! 



For a new startup, the pricing you listed at 2.2/meg plus $750, that actually 
sounds pretty reasonable to get you into a fiber circuit in the 100-300 meg 
range. 

You're not going to be getting 20 cents per meg for DIA unless you are buying a 
10gig circuit in a datacenter or other very competitive market. 

Long term, arranging transport to a data center is the right direction, but it 
usually isn't cost effective until you are over 1Gig of traffic. Unless you 
happen to be close to stimulus built fiber you can connect to really cheap. 



On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Al Rachide < alrach...@gmail.com > wrote: 




We are getting ready to go live from a small connection in our office, just to 
the local community, using a omni antenna. We will be expanding throughout 
three counties in eastern NC. Having read a number of post where others are 
claiming rates as low as $0.20 per mbit/sec, we can't get anything here for 
less than $2.20 per mbit/sec, PLUS a fixed loop fee of $750.00 per month per 
pop. So, how can we find a cheaper backhaul solution here in the boonies of NC? 
We have CenturyLink and Spectrum available for local connection, but would like 
to know about other options for the actual internet / backhaul connection. PS: 
We attended our first WISPA convention in Memphis and it will not be the last! 



Al Rachide 
Eastern Caroline Broadband, LLC 
Pink Hill, NC 28572 

Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!

[chuck]

The trend is toward zero.  Just port charges.  

Just like long distance did 10 years ago.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 5:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!

You may be paying in the lowest rate bracket for the amount of bandwidth. I've 
never heard anything lower unless you were in the 100G+ bracket.

On Oct 5, 2017 5:21 PM,  wrote:

  I pay rates lower than 5 cents per meg...

  From: Chris Fabien 
  Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 3:59 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!

  For a new startup, the pricing you listed at 2.2/meg plus $750, that actually 
sounds pretty reasonable to get you into a fiber circuit in the 100-300 meg 
range.  

  You're not going to be getting 20 cents per meg for DIA unless you are buying 
a 10gig circuit in a datacenter or other very competitive market. 

  Long term, arranging transport to a data center is the right direction, but 
it usually isn't cost effective until you are over 1Gig of traffic. Unless you 
happen to be close to stimulus built fiber you can connect to really cheap. 

  On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Al Rachide  wrote:

We are getting ready to go live from a small connection in our office, just 
to the local community, using a omni antenna. We will be expanding throughout 
three counties in eastern NC. Having read a number of post where others are 
claiming rates as low as $0.20 per mbit/sec, we can't get anything here for 
less than $2.20 per mbit/sec, PLUS a fixed loop fee of $750.00 per month per 
pop. So, how can we find a cheaper backhaul solution here in the boonies of NC? 
We have CenturyLink and Spectrum available for local connection, but would like 
to know about other options for the actual internet / backhaul connection. PS: 
We attended our first WISPA convention in Memphis and it will not be the last! 


Al Rachide
Eastern Caroline Broadband, LLC
Pink Hill, NC 28572

Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!

[Josh Reynolds]

You may be paying in the lowest rate bracket for the amount of bandwidth.
I've never heard anything lower unless you were in the 100G+ bracket.

On Oct 5, 2017 5:21 PM,  wrote:

I pay rates lower than 5 cents per meg...

*From:* Chris Fabien
*Sent:* Thursday, October 5, 2017 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!

For a new startup, the pricing you listed at 2.2/meg plus $750, that
actually sounds pretty reasonable to get you into a fiber circuit in the
100-300 meg range.

You're not going to be getting 20 cents per meg for DIA unless you are
buying a 10gig circuit in a datacenter or other very competitive market.

Long term, arranging transport to a data center is the right direction, but
it usually isn't cost effective until you are over 1Gig of traffic. Unless
you happen to be close to stimulus built fiber you can connect to really
cheap.

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Al Rachide  wrote:

> We are getting ready to go live from a small connection in our office,
> just to the local community, using a omni antenna. We will be expanding
> throughout three counties in eastern NC. Having read a number of post where
> others are claiming rates as low as $0.20 per mbit/sec, we can't get
> anything here for less than $2.20 per mbit/sec, PLUS a fixed loop fee of
> $750.00 per month per pop. So, how can we find a cheaper backhaul solution
> here in the boonies of NC? We have CenturyLink and Spectrum available for
> local connection, but would like to know about other options for the actual
> internet / backhaul connection. PS: We attended our first WISPA convention
> in Memphis and it will not be the last!
>
> Al Rachide
> Eastern Caroline Broadband, LLC
> Pink Hill, NC 28572
>

Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!

[chuck]

I pay rates lower than 5 cents per meg...

From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!

For a new startup, the pricing you listed at 2.2/meg plus $750, that actually 
sounds pretty reasonable to get you into a fiber circuit in the 100-300 meg 
range.  

You're not going to be getting 20 cents per meg for DIA unless you are buying a 
10gig circuit in a datacenter or other very competitive market. 

Long term, arranging transport to a data center is the right direction, but it 
usually isn't cost effective until you are over 1Gig of traffic. Unless you 
happen to be close to stimulus built fiber you can connect to really cheap. 

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Al Rachide  wrote:

  We are getting ready to go live from a small connection in our office, just 
to the local community, using a omni antenna. We will be expanding throughout 
three counties in eastern NC. Having read a number of post where others are 
claiming rates as low as $0.20 per mbit/sec, we can't get anything here for 
less than $2.20 per mbit/sec, PLUS a fixed loop fee of $750.00 per month per 
pop. So, how can we find a cheaper backhaul solution here in the boonies of NC? 
We have CenturyLink and Spectrum available for local connection, but would like 
to know about other options for the actual internet / backhaul connection. PS: 
We attended our first WISPA convention in Memphis and it will not be the last! 


  Al Rachide
  Eastern Caroline Broadband, LLC
  Pink Hill, NC 28572

Re: [AFMUG] New WISP in NC needs backhaul solution!

[Chris Fabien]

For a new startup, the pricing you listed at 2.2/meg plus $750, that
actually sounds pretty reasonable to get you into a fiber circuit in the
100-300 meg range.

You're not going to be getting 20 cents per meg for DIA unless you are
buying a 10gig circuit in a datacenter or other very competitive market.

Long term, arranging transport to a data center is the right direction, but
it usually isn't cost effective until you are over 1Gig of traffic. Unless
you happen to be close to stimulus built fiber you can connect to really
cheap.

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Al Rachide  wrote:

> We are getting ready to go live from a small connection in our office,
> just to the local community, using a omni antenna. We will be expanding
> throughout three counties in eastern NC. Having read a number of post where
> others are claiming rates as low as $0.20 per mbit/sec, we can't get
> anything here for less than $2.20 per mbit/sec, PLUS a fixed loop fee of
> $750.00 per month per pop. So, how can we find a cheaper backhaul solution
> here in the boonies of NC? We have CenturyLink and Spectrum available for
> local connection, but would like to know about other options for the actual
> internet / backhaul connection. PS: We attended our first WISPA convention
> in Memphis and it will not be the last!
>
> Al Rachide
> Eastern Caroline Broadband, LLC
> Pink Hill, NC 28572
>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

[Mike Hammett]

I meant receivers. I said that the first time around, though. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Bill Prince"  
To: "Motorola III"  
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 2:19:54 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$? 


Multiple servers? You mean multiple antennas? 


-bp 


On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




The GPS in tractors (with the help of RTK) has repeatable sub-inch accuracy. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 2:10:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$? 


my huge none knowledge of gps was that its got a variance of up to ten feet. If 
thats the case is it a consistent offset so if two receivers are 24 inches 
apart it can calculate an accurate azimuth? 


On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




With multiple servers it can, even when stationary. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > 
To: "Motorola III" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 2:03:06 PM 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$? 


GPS can not give you a magnetic direction unless it is moving. It knows where 
you are, but not which direction something else is unless it has a vector to 
work with (i.e. you're moving). 


On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 






Multiple receivers. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 1:41:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$? 


I didn't think GPS could give you an accurate direction unless you were moving. 
I could be mistaken. 


-- Original Message -- 
From: "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: 10/5/2017 2:38:05 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$? 





I already know the manual and visual tricks 


Is there a reliable unit for verifying azimuth, gps is all i can assume that 
could do this. i see a bunch ranging 3k to 10k that i would guess work pretty 
well, is there anything in the 300-1000 budget range that actually works out 
there? 








-- 




-- 
bp 
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com 











-- 




-- 
bp 
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com 

Re: [AFMUG] Dumb router question.

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/5/17 12:04, Jay Weekley wrote:
The router circled belongs to a customer.  Am I reading that the router 
is broadcasting in channels one and five for a total of a 40 MHz wide 
channel?



Yes, extension channel.

Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

[Chuck McCown]

The right kind can.

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 1:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

my huge none knowledge of gps was that its got a variance of up to ten feet. If 
thats the case is it a consistent offset so if two receivers are 24 inches 
apart it can calculate an accurate azimuth?

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  With multiple servers it can, even when stationary.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Bill Prince" 
  To: "Motorola III" 
  Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 2:03:06 PM 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?


  GPS can not give you a magnetic direction unless it is moving. It knows where 
you are, but not which direction something else is unless it has a vector to 
work with (i.e. you're moving).

  On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

Multiple receivers.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 1:41:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?


I didn't think GPS could give you an accurate direction unless you were 
moving. 
I could be mistaken.

-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 10/5/2017 2:38:05 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

  I already know the manual and visual tricks 

  Is there a reliable unit for verifying azimuth, gps is all i can assume 
that could do this. i see a bunch ranging 3k to 10k that i would guess work 
pretty well, is there anything in the 300-1000 budget range that actually works 
out there?





  -- 

  --

  bp

  part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

[Bill Prince]

Multiple servers? You mean multiple antennas?

-bp

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> The GPS in tractors (with the help of RTK) has repeatable sub-inch
> accuracy.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 2:10:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?
>
> my huge none knowledge of gps was that its got a variance of up to ten
> feet. If thats the case is it a consistent offset so if two receivers are
> 24 inches apart it can calculate an accurate azimuth?
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> With multiple servers it can, even when stationary.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Bill Prince" 
>> *To: *"Motorola III" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 2:03:06 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?
>>
>> GPS can not give you a magnetic direction unless it is moving. It knows
>> where you are, but not which direction something else is unless it has a
>> vector to work with (i.e. you're moving).
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Multiple receivers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 1:41:12 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?
>>>
>>> I didn't think GPS could give you an accurate direction unless you were
>>> moving.
>>> I could be mistaken.
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Steve Jones" 
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Sent: 10/5/2017 2:38:05 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?
>>>
>>> I already know the manual and visual tricks
>>>
>>> Is there a reliable unit for verifying azimuth, gps is all i can assume
>>> that could do this. i see a bunch ranging 3k to 10k that i would guess work
>>> pretty well, is there anything in the 300-1000 budget range that actually
>>> works out there?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> bp
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

Re: [AFMUG] Dumb router question.

[Bill Prince]

That's what it looks like to me.

-bp

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> The router circled belongs to a customer.  Am I reading that the router is
> broadcasting in channels one and five for a total of a 40 MHz wide channel?
>



-- 
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

[Jaime Solorza]

And Compass app on phone

On Oct 5, 2017 1:10 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Use a compass with a mils scale instead of degrees. Away from the tower,
> as the tower will skew the direction.
>
> There are 360 degrees in a circle, but there are 6400mils in a circle.
>
> This is what I used to note target azimuth relative to my position for
> close air support, artillery, mortars, etc.
>
> On Oct 5, 2017 2:04 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> With multiple servers it can, even when stationary.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Bill Prince" 
>> *To: *"Motorola III" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 2:03:06 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?
>>
>> GPS can not give you a magnetic direction unless it is moving. It knows
>> where you are, but not which direction something else is unless it has a
>> vector to work with (i.e. you're moving).
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Multiple receivers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 1:41:12 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?
>>>
>>> I didn't think GPS could give you an accurate direction unless you were
>>> moving.
>>> I could be mistaken.
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Steve Jones" 
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Sent: 10/5/2017 2:38:05 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?
>>>
>>> I already know the manual and visual tricks
>>>
>>> Is there a reliable unit for verifying azimuth, gps is all i can assume
>>> that could do this. i see a bunch ranging 3k to 10k that i would guess work
>>> pretty well, is there anything in the 300-1000 budget range that actually
>>> works out there?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> bp
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

[Mike Hammett]

The GPS in tractors (with the help of RTK) has repeatable sub-inch accuracy. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 2:10:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$? 


my huge none knowledge of gps was that its got a variance of up to ten feet. If 
thats the case is it a consistent offset so if two receivers are 24 inches 
apart it can calculate an accurate azimuth? 


On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




With multiple servers it can, even when stationary. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > 
To: "Motorola III" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 2:03:06 PM 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$? 


GPS can not give you a magnetic direction unless it is moving. It knows where 
you are, but not which direction something else is unless it has a vector to 
work with (i.e. you're moving). 


On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Multiple receivers. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 1:41:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$? 


I didn't think GPS could give you an accurate direction unless you were moving. 
I could be mistaken. 


-- Original Message -- 
From: "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: 10/5/2017 2:38:05 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$? 





I already know the manual and visual tricks 


Is there a reliable unit for verifying azimuth, gps is all i can assume that 
could do this. i see a bunch ranging 3k to 10k that i would guess work pretty 
well, is there anything in the 300-1000 budget range that actually works out 
there? 








-- 




-- 
bp 
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com 

Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

[Jaime Solorza]

AirGhz is what I use...pretty accurate

On Oct 5, 2017 1:10 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

Use a compass with a mils scale instead of degrees. Away from the tower, as
the tower will skew the direction.

There are 360 degrees in a circle, but there are 6400mils in a circle.

This is what I used to note target azimuth relative to my position for
close air support, artillery, mortars, etc.

On Oct 5, 2017 2:04 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> With multiple servers it can, even when stationary.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Bill Prince" 
> *To: *"Motorola III" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 2:03:06 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?
>
> GPS can not give you a magnetic direction unless it is moving. It knows
> where you are, but not which direction something else is unless it has a
> vector to work with (i.e. you're moving).
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Multiple receivers.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 1:41:12 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?
>>
>> I didn't think GPS could give you an accurate direction unless you were
>> moving.
>> I could be mistaken.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Steve Jones" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 10/5/2017 2:38:05 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?
>>
>> I already know the manual and visual tricks
>>
>> Is there a reliable unit for verifying azimuth, gps is all i can assume
>> that could do this. i see a bunch ranging 3k to 10k that i would guess work
>> pretty well, is there anything in the 300-1000 budget range that actually
>> works out there?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

[Josh Reynolds]

Land survey uses multiple reference points and expensive software :(

On Oct 5, 2017 2:10 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> my huge none knowledge of gps was that its got a variance of up to ten
> feet. If thats the case is it a consistent offset so if two receivers are
> 24 inches apart it can calculate an accurate azimuth?
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> With multiple servers it can, even when stationary.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Bill Prince" 
>> *To: *"Motorola III" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 2:03:06 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?
>>
>> GPS can not give you a magnetic direction unless it is moving. It knows
>> where you are, but not which direction something else is unless it has a
>> vector to work with (i.e. you're moving).
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Multiple receivers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 1:41:12 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?
>>>
>>> I didn't think GPS could give you an accurate direction unless you were
>>> moving.
>>> I could be mistaken.
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Steve Jones" 
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Sent: 10/5/2017 2:38:05 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?
>>>
>>> I already know the manual and visual tricks
>>>
>>> Is there a reliable unit for verifying azimuth, gps is all i can assume
>>> that could do this. i see a bunch ranging 3k to 10k that i would guess work
>>> pretty well, is there anything in the 300-1000 budget range that actually
>>> works out there?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> bp
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

[Steve Jones]

my huge none knowledge of gps was that its got a variance of up to ten
feet. If thats the case is it a consistent offset so if two receivers are
24 inches apart it can calculate an accurate azimuth?

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> With multiple servers it can, even when stationary.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Bill Prince" 
> *To: *"Motorola III" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 2:03:06 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?
>
> GPS can not give you a magnetic direction unless it is moving. It knows
> where you are, but not which direction something else is unless it has a
> vector to work with (i.e. you're moving).
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Multiple receivers.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 1:41:12 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?
>>
>> I didn't think GPS could give you an accurate direction unless you were
>> moving.
>> I could be mistaken.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Steve Jones" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 10/5/2017 2:38:05 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?
>>
>> I already know the manual and visual tricks
>>
>> Is there a reliable unit for verifying azimuth, gps is all i can assume
>> that could do this. i see a bunch ranging 3k to 10k that i would guess work
>> pretty well, is there anything in the 300-1000 budget range that actually
>> works out there?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

[Josh Reynolds]

Use a compass with a mils scale instead of degrees. Away from the tower, as
the tower will skew the direction.

There are 360 degrees in a circle, but there are 6400mils in a circle.

This is what I used to note target azimuth relative to my position for
close air support, artillery, mortars, etc.

On Oct 5, 2017 2:04 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> With multiple servers it can, even when stationary.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Bill Prince" 
> *To: *"Motorola III" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 2:03:06 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?
>
> GPS can not give you a magnetic direction unless it is moving. It knows
> where you are, but not which direction something else is unless it has a
> vector to work with (i.e. you're moving).
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Multiple receivers.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 1:41:12 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?
>>
>> I didn't think GPS could give you an accurate direction unless you were
>> moving.
>> I could be mistaken.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Steve Jones" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 10/5/2017 2:38:05 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?
>>
>> I already know the manual and visual tricks
>>
>> Is there a reliable unit for verifying azimuth, gps is all i can assume
>> that could do this. i see a bunch ranging 3k to 10k that i would guess work
>> pretty well, is there anything in the 300-1000 budget range that actually
>> works out there?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

[Mike Hammett]

With multiple servers it can, even when stationary. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Bill Prince"  
To: "Motorola III"  
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 2:03:06 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$? 


GPS can not give you a magnetic direction unless it is moving. It knows where 
you are, but not which direction something else is unless it has a vector to 
work with (i.e. you're moving). 


On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Multiple receivers. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 1:41:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$? 


I didn't think GPS could give you an accurate direction unless you were moving. 
I could be mistaken. 


-- Original Message -- 
From: "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: 10/5/2017 2:38:05 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$? 





I already know the manual and visual tricks 


Is there a reliable unit for verifying azimuth, gps is all i can assume that 
could do this. i see a bunch ranging 3k to 10k that i would guess work pretty 
well, is there anything in the 300-1000 budget range that actually works out 
there? 








-- 




-- 
bp 
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com 

[AFMUG] Dumb router question.

[Jay Weekley]

The router circled belongs to a customer.  Am I reading that the router 
is broadcasting in channels one and five for a total of a 40 MHz wide 
channel?

Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

[Bill Prince]

GPS can not give you a magnetic direction unless it is moving. It knows
where you are, but not which direction something else is unless it has a
vector to work with (i.e. you're moving).

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Multiple receivers.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 1:41:12 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?
>
> I didn't think GPS could give you an accurate direction unless you were
> moving.
> I could be mistaken.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Steve Jones" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 10/5/2017 2:38:05 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?
>
> I already know the manual and visual tricks
>
> Is there a reliable unit for verifying azimuth, gps is all i can assume
> that could do this. i see a bunch ranging 3k to 10k that i would guess work
> pretty well, is there anything in the 300-1000 budget range that actually
> works out there?
>
>
>


-- 
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

[Chuck McCown]

If you have two of them separated by a known distance you can get an absolute 
bearing between subject to the accuracies of the two units.  You have to use 
real time kinematic systems (RTK).  It is easy to do, not easy to get accuracy. 
 

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 12:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

I didn't think GPS could give you an accurate direction unless you were moving. 
I could be mistaken.

-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 10/5/2017 2:38:05 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

  I already know the manual and visual tricks 

  Is there a reliable unit for verifying azimuth, gps is all i can assume that 
could do this. i see a bunch ranging 3k to 10k that i would guess work pretty 
well, is there anything in the 300-1000 budget range that actually works out 
there?

Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

[Mike Hammett]

Multiple receivers. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 1:41:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$? 


I didn't think GPS could give you an accurate direction unless you were moving. 
I could be mistaken. 


-- Original Message -- 
From: "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
To: "af@afmug.com" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: 10/5/2017 2:38:05 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$? 





I already know the manual and visual tricks 


Is there a reliable unit for verifying azimuth, gps is all i can assume that 
could do this. i see a bunch ranging 3k to 10k that i would guess work pretty 
well, is there anything in the 300-1000 budget range that actually works out 
there? 

Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

[Chuck McCown]

I have one about half done.  The modules I used had less resolution than were 
promised.  So I switched to dual glonass gps and those are working better.  It 
has been on the shelf for a bit.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 12:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

I already know the manual and visual tricks 

Is there a reliable unit for verifying azimuth, gps is all i can assume that 
could do this. i see a bunch ranging 3k to 10k that i would guess work pretty 
well, is there anything in the 300-1000 budget range that actually works out 
there?

Re: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

[Adam Moffett]

I didn't think GPS could give you an accurate direction unless you were 
moving.

I could be mistaken.

-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 10/5/2017 2:38:05 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?


I already know the manual and visual tricks

Is there a reliable unit for verifying azimuth, gps is all i can assume 
that could do this. i see a bunch ranging 3k to 10k that i would guess 
work pretty well, is there anything in the 300-1000 budget range that 
actually works out there?

[AFMUG] GPS based "compass? <1000$?

[Steve Jones]

I already know the manual and visual tricks

Is there a reliable unit for verifying azimuth, gps is all i can assume
that could do this. i see a bunch ranging 3k to 10k that i would guess work
pretty well, is there anything in the 300-1000 budget range that actually
works out there?

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Mike Hammett]

But an Rx amp only helps as long as the signal is sufficiently above the noise 
floor to being with, right? A 5 watt portable at 800 MHz from inside a building 
isn't going to reach very far. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Lewis Bergman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 12:32:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 


Transmit amps are not ever required as far as I have seen on a wide area 
system. Transmitters are high power enough. The receivers need help due to free 
space loss. We use RX amps when there are long coax runs to overcome that loss. 
If there are transmit combiners with a separate receive antenna and 
multicoupler that RX multicoupler compensates for the loss of the splitter. We 
have used Bi Directional amps for building penetration. 


On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 8:59 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Bi-directional amplifiers or only Tx? 





- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 








From: "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 



Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:30:12 AM 



Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 





It is possible to replace more sites with less depending on how they are 
designed and what topography you are battling. We did this a number of years 
ago. The big key was tower top amplifiers allowed us to eliminate the extra 
sites without losing portable overage. 


Just like RadioMobile, engineering propagation programs and knowing how to use 
them are a pretty big key to successfully designing a system. 








On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:41 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 










DeKalb county is moving from 17 sites on VHF to 4 sites on digital. Yeah 
fucking right. 

If I had more county board meeting experience, I would have grilled their 
consultant when he gave stupid answers to questions, but I didn't know that I 
could counter. 






- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 








From: "George Skorup" < george.sko...@cbcast.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 7:10:59 PM 



Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 

Like Hammet says, not enough sites is the major issue with digital. They all 
think digital lets them get more for less. Totally not the case, as many 
agencies have found. 


On 10/4/2017 6:50 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: 






In PA the state police hate the digital system. So they carry two radios in 
their cars. The state digital and their own VHF. It's stupid. 

On Oct 4, 2017, at 19:37, Lewis Bergman < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > wrote: 












Me thinks I am probably the only one on this list with decades of public safety 
and commercial two way radio experience and still in the business. I'll sum it 
up. 



* All Two Way channels are getting narrower 
* Digital is the way things are going to continue to go 
* It ain't going back 

It doesn't matter that 95% of the geography doesn't need it. These trends are 
driven by the dense population areas that require more spectral efficiency and 
there isn't anything anyone is going to do about it. FirstNet is the same thing 
with different bands. Second, try 12.5KHz or 6.25KHz without digital and see 
what that crap sounds like. I lived through it and companding was a lot worse. 
Most of you aren't old enough to remember when the channel sizes were all 50KHz 
instead of 25KHz and everything sounded beautiful. Those days aren't coming 
back. 


No matter what vocoder is used some tuning to dialect and speech helps. Having 
said all that, some voices are not going to sound good on any narrowband. If 
you come from analog wideband to narrowband digital it all sounds like crap. 
You get used the the difference and there is no issue understanding words or 
intent. 


In short; everything sounds better wide band, there is no wide band, get over 
it. 














On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:05 PM George Skorup < george.sko...@cbcast.com > 
wrote: 
















P25 Phase-I uses the IMBE vocoder. Yeah, that kinda sounds like shit. Phase-II 
uses the AMBE+2 vocoder, but then you have the TDMA split into two time slots, 
i.e. half the bandwidth. Still better than IMBE. DMR/TRBO is also 2-slot TDMA 
using AMBE+2. I use it and don't think it sounds that bad at all. Add 
encryption overhead and it sounds worse, regardless of the vocoder used. 
Bandwidth, bandwidth, bandwidth. 



On 10/4/2017 9:27 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: 




But it does. In a stressful situation the last thing you need is to not be able 
to understand communication on the radio. 

On Oct 4, 2017, at 10:20, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 










Hitting delete is so damn easy tho 
















Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Lewis Bergman]

Transmit amps are not ever required as far as I have seen on a wide area
system. Transmitters are high power enough. The receivers need help due to
free space loss. We use RX amps when there are long coax runs to overcome
that loss. If there are transmit combiners with a separate receive antenna
and multicoupler that RX multicoupler compensates for the loss of the
splitter. We have used Bi Directional amps for building penetration.

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 8:59 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Bi-directional amplifiers or only Tx?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:30:12 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
> It is possible to replace more sites with less depending on how they are
> designed and what topography you are battling. We did this a number of
> years ago. The big key was tower top amplifiers allowed us to eliminate the
> extra sites without losing portable overage.
>
> Just like RadioMobile, engineering propagation programs and knowing how to
> use them are a pretty big key to successfully designing a system.
>
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:41 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> DeKalb county is moving from 17 sites on VHF to 4 sites on digital. Yeah
>> fucking right.
>>
>> If I had more county board meeting experience, I would have grilled their
>> consultant when he gave stupid answers to questions, but I didn't know that
>> I could counter.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"George Skorup" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 4, 2017 7:10:59 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>
>> Like Hammet says, not enough sites is the major issue with digital. They
>> all think digital lets them get more for less. Totally not the case, as
>> many agencies have found.
>>
>> On 10/4/2017 6:50 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>
>> In PA the state police hate the digital system. So they carry two radios
>> in their cars. The state digital and their own VHF. It's stupid.
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2017, at 19:37, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
>>
>> Me thinks I am probably the only one on this list with decades of public
>> safety and commercial two way radio experience and still in the business.
>> I'll sum it up.
>>
>>- All Two Way channels are getting narrower
>>- Digital is the way things are going to continue to go
>>- It ain't going back
>>
>> It doesn't matter that 95% of the geography doesn't need it. These trends
>> are driven by the dense population areas that require more spectral
>> efficiency and there isn't anything anyone is going to do about it.
>> FirstNet is the same thing with different bands. Second, try 12.5KHz or
>> 6.25KHz without digital and see what that crap sounds like. I lived through
>> it and companding was a lot worse. Most of you aren't old enough to
>> remember when the channel sizes were all 50KHz instead of 25KHz and
>> everything sounded beautiful. Those days aren't coming back.
>>
>> No matter what vocoder is used some tuning to dialect and speech helps.
>> Having said all that, some voices are not going to sound good on any
>> narrowband. If you come from analog wideband to narrowband digital it all
>> sounds like crap. You get used the the difference and there is no issue
>> understanding words or intent.
>>
>> In short; everything sounds better wide band, there is no wide band, get
>> over it.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:05 PM George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>> P25 Phase-I uses the IMBE vocoder. Yeah, that kinda sounds like shit.
>>> Phase-II uses 

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

[Chuck McCown]

Not in the office.   In a deposition.  

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 10:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

Tried to call you.. but they said you were not there.. !


The snap adapter you have in the picture is the piece from the back side of the 
 AF11x
If you look at the picture I sent you.. that is of an AF11x mounting on the 
Jirous Adapter, after removing the snap adapter.

So the hole patterns of the flat side of the snap adapter will match exactly 
what is on the Radio ...

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 12:24:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

  I think there is a difference in the hole pattern between the snap adapter 
and the radio.

  From: Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 10:20 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

  Quick simple fix would be to create some sort of a stand-off and use longer 
screws to bolt the radio in place.

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 12:09:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

I will supply them in all future shipments.

From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 10:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

Just clarified, the plastic adapter does not come with the radio, will need 
to retool base to use holes in metal adapter

From: Af  on behalf of Jeremy 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 11:33 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters


They sell it in a set with the 11GHz Type-N cables.  Streakwave has some in 
stock.  AF-11CA $52



  Gino A. Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 



On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote:

  Hmmm... in that case.. the question would be... How do you mount the 
radio to the Adapter plate.

  There needs to be a mateing adapter on your plate side... That piece only 
comes with the UBNT Dish...

  (you can pull up the UBNT 10ghz Dish Userguide to see that ...)

  Jiruos adapters that we used, required that piece to be removed from the 
AF11x so that it could be screwed in directly (as per my picture).  I was told 
that they were going to redesign so that they would have a mateing bracket on 
their side so that the AF11x would slide in.

  (You will also need to have to include cables to connect to AF11x to the 
Feed horn .. I am sure you already knew that).

  Regards

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 10:45:45 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

No because my design presumes the adapter will be there to space the 
radio out away from the end of the waveguide transition.  Without that extra 
spacing the radio would crash into the end of the adapter.

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:42 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

Wouldn't it work without the adapter anyway? If I'm remembering right, 
with the Jirous adapters, you take the snap adapter off and just bolt the radio 
directly to their mounting plate using the same holes... wouldn't that line up 
with your adapter too?


On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:33 AM,  wrote:

  If that plastic slide/snap adapter is included with each radio, then 
we should be good.
  I designed the spacing and everything assuming that adapter would be 
used with each unit.

  From: Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:28 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

  Picture of the Jirous Adapter attached

  rest of the answers are inline below.

  If you have any questions, feel free to call me.

  Regards.

  

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Tried to call you.. but they said you were not there.. ! 

The snap adapter you have in the picture is the piece from the back side of the 
AF11x 
If you look at the picture I sent you.. that is of an AF11x mounting on the 
Jirous Adapter, after removing the snap adapter. 

So the hole patterns of the flat side of the snap adapter will match exactly 
what is on the Radio ... 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 12:24:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

> I think there is a difference in the hole pattern between the snap adapter and
> the radio.
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 10:20 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
> Quick simple fix would be to create some sort of a stand-off and use longer
> screws to bolt the radio in place.
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 12:09:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

>> I will supply them in all future shipments.
>> From: Gino A. Villarini
>> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 10:08 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>> Just clarified, the plastic adapter does not come with the radio, will need 
>> to
>> retool base to use holes in metal adapter
>> From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Jeremy < 
>> jeremysmi...@gmail.com >
>> Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
>> Date: Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 11:33 AM
>> To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>> They sell it in a set with the 11GHz Type-N cables. Streakwave has some in
>> stock. AF-11CA $52

>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
>> wrote:

>>> Hmmm... in that case.. the question would be... How do you mount the radio 
>>> to
>>> the Adapter plate.
>>> There needs to be a mateing adapter on your plate side... That piece only 
>>> comes
>>> with the UBNT Dish...
>>> (you can pull up the UBNT 10ghz Dish Userguide to see that ...)
>>> Jiruos adapters that we used, required that piece to be removed from the 
>>> AF11x
>>> so that it could be screwed in directly (as per my picture). I was told that
>>> they were going to redesign so that they would have a mateing bracket on 
>>> their
>>> side so that the AF11x would slide in.
>>> (You will also need to have to include cables to connect to AF11x to the 
>>> Feed
>>> horn .. I am sure you already knew that).
>>> Regards
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 From: ch...@wbmfg.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 10:45:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

 No because my design presumes the adapter will be there to space the radio 
 out
 away from the end of the waveguide transition. Without that extra spacing 
 the
 radio would crash into the end of the adapter.
 From: Mathew Howard
 Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:42 AM
 To: af
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
 Wouldn't it work without the adapter anyway? If I'm remembering right, 
 with the
 Jirous adapters, you take the snap adapter off and just bolt the radio 
 directly
 to their mounting plate using the same holes... wouldn't that line up with 
 your
 adapter too?
 On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:33 AM, < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote:

> If that plastic slide/snap adapter is included with each radio, then we 
> should
> be good.
> I designed the spacing and everything assuming that adapter would be used 
> with
> each unit.
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:28 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
> Picture of the Jirous Adapter attached
> rest of the answers are inline below.
> If you have any questions, feel free to call me.
> Regards.
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com >
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:58:26 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

>> Made Gino some adapters so he can use AF11x radios on 

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, in your picture it doesn't look like they'll line up. If you needed
to make it work in a pinch, a guy could probably just drill a new set of
holes, find some longer screws and use the bracket on the radio as a spacer.

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I think there is a difference in the hole pattern between the snap adapter
> and the radio.
>
> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 05, 2017 10:20 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>
> Quick simple fix would be to create some sort of a stand-off and use
> longer screws to bolt the radio in place.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> 
> Miami, FL 33155
> 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 <(305)%20663-5518> x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 12:09:49 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>
> I will supply them in all future shipments.
>
> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 05, 2017 10:08 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>
> Just clarified, the plastic adapter does not come with the radio, will
> need to retool base to use holes in metal adapter
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Jeremy <
> jeremysmi...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 11:33 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>
> They sell it in a set with the 11GHz Type-N cables.  Streakwave has some
> in stock.  AF-11CA $52
>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> Hmmm... in that case.. the question would be... How do you mount the
>> radio to the Adapter plate.
>>
>> There needs to be a mateing adapter on your plate side... That piece only
>> comes with the UBNT Dish...
>>
>> (you can pull up the UBNT 10ghz Dish Userguide to see that ...)
>>
>> Jiruos adapters that we used, required that piece to be removed from the
>> AF11x so that it could be screwed in directly (as per my picture).  I was
>> told that they were going to redesign so that they would have a mateing
>> bracket on their side so that the AF11x would slide in.
>>
>> (You will also need to have to include cables to connect to AF11x to the
>> Feed horn .. I am sure you already knew that).
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> 
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> 
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 10:45:45 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>>
>> No because my design presumes the adapter will be there to space the
>> radio out away from the end of the waveguide transition.  Without that
>> extra spacing the radio would crash into the end of the adapter.
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:42 AM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>>
>> Wouldn't it work without the adapter anyway? If I'm remembering right,
>> with the Jirous adapters, you take the snap adapter off and just bolt the
>> radio directly to their mounting plate using the same holes... wouldn't
>> that line up with your adapter too?
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:33 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> If that plastic slide/snap adapter is included with each radio, then we
>>> should be good.
>>> I designed the spacing and everything assuming that adapter would be
>>> used with each unit.
>>>
>>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:28 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>>>
>>> Picture of the Jirous Adapter attached
>>>
>>> rest of the answers are inline below.
>>>
>>> If you have any questions, feel free to call me.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> 
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> 
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 <(305)%20663-5518> x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Chuck 

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

[Chuck McCown]

I think there is a difference in the hole pattern between the snap adapter and 
the radio.

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 10:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

Quick simple fix would be to create some sort of a stand-off and use longer 
screws to bolt the radio in place.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 12:09:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

  I will supply them in all future shipments.

  From: Gino A. Villarini
  Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 10:08 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

  Just clarified, the plastic adapter does not come with the radio, will need 
to retool base to use holes in metal adapter

  From: Af  on behalf of Jeremy 
  Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Date: Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 11:33 AM
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters


  They sell it in a set with the 11GHz Type-N cables.  Streakwave has some in 
stock.  AF-11CA $52



Gino A. Villarini
   
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 



  On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote:

Hmmm... in that case.. the question would be... How do you mount the radio 
to the Adapter plate.

There needs to be a mateing adapter on your plate side... That piece only 
comes with the UBNT Dish...

(you can pull up the UBNT 10ghz Dish Userguide to see that ...)

Jiruos adapters that we used, required that piece to be removed from the 
AF11x so that it could be screwed in directly (as per my picture).  I was told 
that they were going to redesign so that they would have a mateing bracket on 
their side so that the AF11x would slide in.

(You will also need to have to include cables to connect to AF11x to the 
Feed horn .. I am sure you already knew that).

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 10:45:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

  No because my design presumes the adapter will be there to space the 
radio out away from the end of the waveguide transition.  Without that extra 
spacing the radio would crash into the end of the adapter.

  From: Mathew Howard
  Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:42 AM
  To: af
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

  Wouldn't it work without the adapter anyway? If I'm remembering right, 
with the Jirous adapters, you take the snap adapter off and just bolt the radio 
directly to their mounting plate using the same holes... wouldn't that line up 
with your adapter too?


  On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:33 AM,  wrote:

If that plastic slide/snap adapter is included with each radio, then we 
should be good.
I designed the spacing and everything assuming that adapter would be 
used with each unit.

From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

Picture of the Jirous Adapter attached

rest of the answers are inline below.

If you have any questions, feel free to call me.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:58:26 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

  Made Gino some adapters so he can use AF11x radios on Remec mount 
antennas.  
  I made the hole pattern to match a plastic slide and snap adapter 
that came with the radio I have.  
That should be fine
  But not sure if that part is included with all AF11X radios.  Gino is 
asking about how the radio is supposed to mount to my adapter.  
  If the slide/snap is not automatically included in all shipments, I 
need to alter the bolt pattern to allow mounting of the radio when that part is 
not present.  He needs some more of these adapters and I want to make sure to 
send 

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

[Faisal Imtiaz]

>> My feed uses normal SMA, not RP-SMA. 

It does not matter what your connectors are.. the cables would need to be 
sourced by the user.. 
they don't come with the Radio.. 

Jirous supplies them with their adapter 
Ubnt provides them with their Dish Antenna. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 11:31:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

> I presumed that snap adapter came with the radio. You bolt that to my adapter
> and slide/snap the radio onto it.
> If that is not true (that they come with the radios) I will either have to
> obtain a supply of the adapter or modify my mount.
> My feed uses normal SMA, not RP-SMA.
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 8:51 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
> Hmmm... in that case.. the question would be... How do you mount the radio to
> the Adapter plate.
> There needs to be a mateing adapter on your plate side... That piece only 
> comes
> with the UBNT Dish...
> (you can pull up the UBNT 10ghz Dish Userguide to see that ...)
> Jiruos adapters that we used, required that piece to be removed from the AF11x
> so that it could be screwed in directly (as per my picture). I was told that
> they were going to redesign so that they would have a mateing bracket on their
> side so that the AF11x would slide in.
> (You will also need to have to include cables to connect to AF11x to the Feed
> horn .. I am sure you already knew that).
> Regards
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 10:45:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

>> No because my design presumes the adapter will be there to space the radio 
>> out
>> away from the end of the waveguide transition. Without that extra spacing the
>> radio would crash into the end of the adapter.
>> From: Mathew Howard
>> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:42 AM
>> To: af
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>> Wouldn't it work without the adapter anyway? If I'm remembering right, with 
>> the
>> Jirous adapters, you take the snap adapter off and just bolt the radio 
>> directly
>> to their mounting plate using the same holes... wouldn't that line up with 
>> your
>> adapter too?
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:33 AM, < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote:

>>> If that plastic slide/snap adapter is included with each radio, then we 
>>> should
>>> be good.
>>> I designed the spacing and everything assuming that adapter would be used 
>>> with
>>> each unit.
>>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:28 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>>> Picture of the Jirous Adapter attached
>>> rest of the answers are inline below.
>>> If you have any questions, feel free to call me.
>>> Regards.
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com >
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:58:26 AM
 Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

 Made Gino some adapters so he can use AF11x radios on Remec mount antennas.
 I made the hole pattern to match a plastic slide and snap adapter that 
 came with
 the radio I have.

>>> That should be fine

 But not sure if that part is included with all AF11X radios. Gino is asking
 about how the radio is supposed to mount to my adapter.
 If the slide/snap is not automatically included in all shipments, I need to
 alter the bolt pattern to allow mounting of the radio when that part is not
 present. He needs some more of these adapters and I want to make sure to 
 send
 him stuff that does not require any work on his part.
 Do you AF11X users know if that slid/snap adapter plate is included with 
 all
 radios?

>>> Yes that slide/snap adapter is included with each of the AF11x (That is how 
>>> they
>>> slide/attach to the UBNT dishes).

 If so, can we buy more for Gino to use right now in the event he has lost 
 his?
 If not how should I alter the mount so the radio can still fit onto the
 adapter?

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Quick simple fix would be to create some sort of a stand-off and use longer 
screws to bolt the radio in place. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 12:09:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

> I will supply them in all future shipments.
> From: Gino A. Villarini
> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 10:08 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
> Just clarified, the plastic adapter does not come with the radio, will need to
> retool base to use holes in metal adapter
> From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Jeremy < 
> jeremysmi...@gmail.com >
> Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
> Date: Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 11:33 AM
> To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
> They sell it in a set with the 11GHz Type-N cables. Streakwave has some in
> stock. AF-11CA $52

> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> wrote:

>> Hmmm... in that case.. the question would be... How do you mount the radio to
>> the Adapter plate.
>> There needs to be a mateing adapter on your plate side... That piece only 
>> comes
>> with the UBNT Dish...
>> (you can pull up the UBNT 10ghz Dish Userguide to see that ...)
>> Jiruos adapters that we used, required that piece to be removed from the 
>> AF11x
>> so that it could be screwed in directly (as per my picture). I was told that
>> they were going to redesign so that they would have a mateing bracket on 
>> their
>> side so that the AF11x would slide in.
>> (You will also need to have to include cables to connect to AF11x to the Feed
>> horn .. I am sure you already knew that).
>> Regards
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 10:45:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

>>> No because my design presumes the adapter will be there to space the radio 
>>> out
>>> away from the end of the waveguide transition. Without that extra spacing 
>>> the
>>> radio would crash into the end of the adapter.
>>> From: Mathew Howard
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:42 AM
>>> To: af
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>>> Wouldn't it work without the adapter anyway? If I'm remembering right, with 
>>> the
>>> Jirous adapters, you take the snap adapter off and just bolt the radio 
>>> directly
>>> to their mounting plate using the same holes... wouldn't that line up with 
>>> your
>>> adapter too?
>>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:33 AM, < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote:

 If that plastic slide/snap adapter is included with each radio, then we 
 should
 be good.
 I designed the spacing and everything assuming that adapter would be used 
 with
 each unit.
 From: Faisal Imtiaz
 Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:28 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
 Picture of the Jirous Adapter attached
 rest of the answers are inline below.
 If you have any questions, feel free to call me.
 Regards.
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

> From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com >
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:58:26 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

> Made Gino some adapters so he can use AF11x radios on Remec mount 
> antennas.
> I made the hole pattern to match a plastic slide and snap adapter that 
> came with
> the radio I have.

 That should be fine

> But not sure if that part is included with all AF11X radios. Gino is 
> asking
> about how the radio is supposed to mount to my adapter.
> If the slide/snap is not automatically included in all shipments, I need 
> to
> alter the bolt pattern to allow mounting of the radio when that part is 
> not
> present. He needs some more of these adapters and I want to make sure to 
> send
> him stuff that does not require any work on his part.
> Do you AF11X users know if that slid/snap adapter plate is included with 
> all
> radios?

 Yes that slide/snap adapter is included with each of the AF11x (That is 
 how they
 slide/attach to the UBNT dishes).

> If so, can we buy more for Gino to use right now in the event he has lost 
> his?
> If not how should I alter the mount so the radio can still 

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

[Mathew Howard]

The slide adapter in your picture is what comes bolted to the radio,
correct? So you would need an adapter that piece will slide into (the same
adapter as any Ubiquiti antenna has on it)... if that's the case, I don't
believe that comes with the radio (at least it didn't come with the pair we
have).

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I presumed that snap adapter came with the radio.  You bolt that to my
> adapter and slide/snap the radio onto it.
>
> If that is not true (that they come with the radios) I will either have to
> obtain a supply of the adapter or modify my mount.
>
> My feed uses normal SMA, not RP-SMA.
>
> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 05, 2017 8:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>
> Hmmm... in that case.. the question would be... How do you mount the radio
> to the Adapter plate.
>
> There needs to be a mateing adapter on your plate side... That piece only
> comes with the UBNT Dish...
>
> (you can pull up the UBNT 10ghz Dish Userguide to see that ...)
>
> Jiruos adapters that we used, required that piece to be removed from the
> AF11x so that it could be screwed in directly (as per my picture).  I was
> told that they were going to redesign so that they would have a mateing
> bracket on their side so that the AF11x would slide in.
>
> (You will also need to have to include cables to connect to AF11x to the
> Feed horn .. I am sure you already knew that).
>
> Regards
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> 
> Miami, FL 33155
> 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 <(305)%20663-5518> x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 10:45:45 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>
> No because my design presumes the adapter will be there to space the radio
> out away from the end of the waveguide transition.  Without that extra
> spacing the radio would crash into the end of the adapter.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:42 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>
> Wouldn't it work without the adapter anyway? If I'm remembering right,
> with the Jirous adapters, you take the snap adapter off and just bolt the
> radio directly to their mounting plate using the same holes... wouldn't
> that line up with your adapter too?
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:33 AM,  wrote:
>
>> If that plastic slide/snap adapter is included with each radio, then we
>> should be good.
>> I designed the spacing and everything assuming that adapter would be used
>> with each unit.
>>
>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:28 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>>
>> Picture of the Jirous Adapter attached
>>
>> rest of the answers are inline below.
>>
>> If you have any questions, feel free to call me.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> 
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> 
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 <(305)%20663-5518> x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:58:26 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>>
>>
>> Made Gino some adapters so he can use AF11x radios on Remec mount
>> antennas.
>> I made the hole pattern to match a plastic slide and snap adapter that
>> came with the radio I have.
>>
>> That should be fine
>>
>> But not sure if that part is included with all AF11X radios.  Gino is
>> asking about how the radio is supposed to mount to my adapter.
>> If the slide/snap is not automatically included in all shipments, I need
>> to alter the bolt pattern to allow mounting of the radio when that part is
>> not present.  He needs some more of these adapters and I want to make sure
>> to send him stuff that does not require any work on his part.
>> Do you AF11X users know if that slid/snap adapter plate is included with
>> all radios?
>>
>> Yes that slide/snap adapter is included with each of the AF11x (That is
>> how they slide/attach to the UBNT dishes).
>>
>> If so, can we buy more for Gino to use right now in the event he has lost
>> his?  If not how should I alter the mount so the radio can still fit onto
>> the adapter?
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

[Chuck McCown]

I will supply them in all future shipments.

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 10:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

Just clarified, the plastic adapter does not come with the radio, will need to 
retool base to use holes in metal adapter 

From: Af  on behalf of Jeremy 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 11:33 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters


They sell it in a set with the 11GHz Type-N cables.  Streakwave has some in 
stock.  AF-11CA $52



  Gino A. Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 




On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

  Hmmm... in that case.. the question would be... How do you mount the radio to 
the Adapter plate.

  There needs to be a mateing adapter on your plate side... That piece only 
comes with the UBNT Dish...

  (you can pull up the UBNT 10ghz Dish Userguide to see that ...)

  Jiruos adapters that we used, required that piece to be removed from the 
AF11x so that it could be screwed in directly (as per my picture).  I was told 
that they were going to redesign so that they would have a mateing bracket on 
their side so that the AF11x would slide in.

  (You will also need to have to include cables to connect to AF11x to the Feed 
horn .. I am sure you already knew that).

  Regards

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 10:45:45 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

No because my design presumes the adapter will be there to space the radio 
out away from the end of the waveguide transition.  Without that extra spacing 
the radio would crash into the end of the adapter. 

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:42 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

Wouldn't it work without the adapter anyway? If I'm remembering right, with 
the Jirous adapters, you take the snap adapter off and just bolt the radio 
directly to their mounting plate using the same holes... wouldn't that line up 
with your adapter too?


On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:33 AM,  wrote:

  If that plastic slide/snap adapter is included with each radio, then we 
should be good.
  I designed the spacing and everything assuming that adapter would be used 
with each unit. 

  From: Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:28 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

  Picture of the Jirous Adapter attached

  rest of the answers are inline below.

  If you have any questions, feel free to call me.

  Regards.

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:58:26 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

Made Gino some adapters so he can use AF11x radios on Remec mount 
antennas.  
I made the hole pattern to match a plastic slide and snap adapter that 
came with the radio I have.  
  That should be fine
But not sure if that part is included with all AF11X radios.  Gino is 
asking about how the radio is supposed to mount to my adapter.  
If the slide/snap is not automatically included in all shipments, I 
need to alter the bolt pattern to allow mounting of the radio when that part is 
not present.  He needs some more of these adapters and I want to make sure to 
send him stuff that does not require any work on his part.  
Do you AF11X users know if that slid/snap adapter plate is included 
with all radios? 
  Yes that slide/snap adapter is included with each of the AF11x (That is 
how they slide/attach to the UBNT dishes).
If so, can we buy more for Gino to use right now in the event he has 
lost his?  If not how should I alter the mount so the radio can still fit onto 
the adapter?

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

[Gino A. Villarini]

Just clarified, the plastic adapter does not come with the radio, will need to 
retool base to use holes in metal adapter

From: Af > on behalf of 
Jeremy >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Thursday, October 5, 2017 at 11:33 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

They sell it in a set with the 11GHz Type-N cables.  Streakwave has some in 
stock.  AF-11CA $52




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
Hmmm... in that case.. the question would be... How do you mount the radio to 
the Adapter plate.

There needs to be a mateing adapter on your plate side... That piece only comes 
with the UBNT Dish...

(you can pull up the UBNT 10ghz Dish Userguide to see that ...)

Jiruos adapters that we used, required that piece to be removed from the AF11x 
so that it could be screwed in directly (as per my picture).  I was told that 
they were going to redesign so that they would have a mateing bracket on their 
side so that the AF11x would slide in.

(You will also need to have to include cables to connect to AF11x to the Feed 
horn .. I am sure you already knew that).

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 
Street
Miami, FL 
33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 10:45:45 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
No because my design presumes the adapter will be there to space the radio out 
away from the end of the waveguide transition.  Without that extra spacing the 
radio would crash into the end of the adapter.

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:42 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

Wouldn't it work without the adapter anyway? If I'm remembering right, with the 
Jirous adapters, you take the snap adapter off and just bolt the radio directly 
to their mounting plate using the same holes... wouldn't that line up with your 
adapter too?

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:33 AM,  wrote:
If that plastic slide/snap adapter is included with each radio, then we should 
be good.
I designed the spacing and everything assuming that adapter would be used with 
each unit.

From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

Picture of the Jirous Adapter attached

rest of the answers are inline below.

If you have any questions, feel free to call me.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 
Street
Miami, FL 
33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:58:26 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

Made Gino some adapters so he can use AF11x radios on Remec mount antennas.
I made the hole pattern to match a plastic slide and snap adapter that came 
with the radio I have.
That should be fine
But not sure if that part is included with all AF11X radios.  Gino is asking 
about how the radio is supposed to mount to my adapter.
If the slide/snap is not automatically included in all shipments, I need to 
alter the bolt pattern to allow mounting of the radio when that part is not 
present.  He needs some more of these adapters and I want to make sure to send 
him stuff that does not require any work on his part.
Do you AF11X users know if that slid/snap adapter plate is included with all 
radios?
Yes that slide/snap adapter is included with each of the AF11x (That is how 
they slide/attach to the UBNT dishes).
If so, can we buy more for Gino to use right now in the event he has lost his?  
If not how should I alter the mount so the radio can still fit onto the adapter?

Re: [AFMUG] Rice University Adds Asphalt To Speed Lithium Metal Battery Charging By 20 Times

[Robert]

So much for the "end of lithium" that someone was espousing to me last 
month...


On 10/5/17 7:41 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
And a company called MGC just figured out how to extract Lithium 
profitably from brine sea water.  They have a plant being built now.


Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Thursday, October 5, 2017 5:18 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rice University Adds Asphalt To Speed Lithium 
Metal Battery Charging By 20 Times


Says who? :)

On Oct 5, 2017 7:03 AM, "Cameron Crum" > wrote:


But, isn't he whole idea of these things to get away from using the 
dreaded oil?


Look! We are making these super toxic batteries to save the planet from 
the ravages of oil! And now we are making them better by adding...oil. 
I'm so confused...


On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds > wrote:


Originally found on slashdot:

"The capacity of these batteries is enormous, but what is equally
remarkable is that we can bring them from zero charge to full charge
in five minutes, rather than the typical two hours or more needed with
other batteries," Tour said. "While the capacity between the former
and this new battery is similar, approaching the theoretical limit of
lithium metal, the new asphalt-derived carbon can take up more lithium
metal per unit area, and it is much simpler and cheaper to make. There
is no chemical vapor deposition step, no e-beam deposition step and no
need to grow nanotubes from graphene, so manufacturing is greatly
simplified."

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.7b05874

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

[Jeremy]

They sell it in a set with the 11GHz Type-N cables.  Streakwave has some in
stock.  AF-11CA $52

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> Hmmm... in that case.. the question would be... How do you mount the radio
> to the Adapter plate.
>
> There needs to be a mateing adapter on your plate side... That piece only
> comes with the UBNT Dish...
>
> (you can pull up the UBNT 10ghz Dish Userguide to see that ...)
>
> Jiruos adapters that we used, required that piece to be removed from the
> AF11x so that it could be screwed in directly (as per my picture).  I was
> told that they were going to redesign so that they would have a mateing
> bracket on their side so that the AF11x would slide in.
>
> (You will also need to have to include cables to connect to AF11x to the
> Feed horn .. I am sure you already knew that).
>
> Regards
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> 
> Miami, FL 33155
> 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 10:45:45 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>
> No because my design presumes the adapter will be there to space the radio
> out away from the end of the waveguide transition.  Without that extra
> spacing the radio would crash into the end of the adapter.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:42 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>
> Wouldn't it work without the adapter anyway? If I'm remembering right,
> with the Jirous adapters, you take the snap adapter off and just bolt the
> radio directly to their mounting plate using the same holes... wouldn't
> that line up with your adapter too?
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:33 AM,  wrote:
>
>> If that plastic slide/snap adapter is included with each radio, then we
>> should be good.
>> I designed the spacing and everything assuming that adapter would be used
>> with each unit.
>>
>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:28 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>>
>> Picture of the Jirous Adapter attached
>>
>> rest of the answers are inline below.
>>
>> If you have any questions, feel free to call me.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> 
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> 
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 <(305)%20663-5518> x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:58:26 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>>
>>
>> Made Gino some adapters so he can use AF11x radios on Remec mount
>> antennas.
>> I made the hole pattern to match a plastic slide and snap adapter that
>> came with the radio I have.
>>
>> That should be fine
>>
>> But not sure if that part is included with all AF11X radios.  Gino is
>> asking about how the radio is supposed to mount to my adapter.
>> If the slide/snap is not automatically included in all shipments, I need
>> to alter the bolt pattern to allow mounting of the radio when that part is
>> not present.  He needs some more of these adapters and I want to make sure
>> to send him stuff that does not require any work on his part.
>> Do you AF11X users know if that slid/snap adapter plate is included with
>> all radios?
>>
>> Yes that slide/snap adapter is included with each of the AF11x (That is
>> how they slide/attach to the UBNT dishes).
>>
>> If so, can we buy more for Gino to use right now in the event he has lost
>> his?  If not how should I alter the mount so the radio can still fit onto
>> the adapter?
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

[Chuck McCown]

I presumed that snap adapter came with the radio.  You bolt that to my adapter 
and slide/snap the radio onto it.  

If that is not true (that they come with the radios) I will either have to 
obtain a supply of the adapter or modify my mount.  

My feed uses normal SMA, not RP-SMA.

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

Hmmm... in that case.. the question would be... How do you mount the radio to 
the Adapter plate.

There needs to be a mateing adapter on your plate side... That piece only comes 
with the UBNT Dish...

(you can pull up the UBNT 10ghz Dish Userguide to see that ...)

Jiruos adapters that we used, required that piece to be removed from the AF11x 
so that it could be screwed in directly (as per my picture).  I was told that 
they were going to redesign so that they would have a mateing bracket on their 
side so that the AF11x would slide in.

(You will also need to have to include cables to connect to AF11x to the Feed 
horn .. I am sure you already knew that).

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 10:45:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

  No because my design presumes the adapter will be there to space the radio 
out away from the end of the waveguide transition.  Without that extra spacing 
the radio would crash into the end of the adapter. 

  From: Mathew Howard
  Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:42 AM
  To: af
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

  Wouldn't it work without the adapter anyway? If I'm remembering right, with 
the Jirous adapters, you take the snap adapter off and just bolt the radio 
directly to their mounting plate using the same holes... wouldn't that line up 
with your adapter too?


  On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:33 AM,  wrote:

If that plastic slide/snap adapter is included with each radio, then we 
should be good.
I designed the spacing and everything assuming that adapter would be used 
with each unit. 

From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

Picture of the Jirous Adapter attached

rest of the answers are inline below.

If you have any questions, feel free to call me.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:58:26 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

  Made Gino some adapters so he can use AF11x radios on Remec mount 
antennas.  
  I made the hole pattern to match a plastic slide and snap adapter that 
came with the radio I have.  
That should be fine
  But not sure if that part is included with all AF11X radios.  Gino is 
asking about how the radio is supposed to mount to my adapter.  
  If the slide/snap is not automatically included in all shipments, I need 
to alter the bolt pattern to allow mounting of the radio when that part is not 
present.  He needs some more of these adapters and I want to make sure to send 
him stuff that does not require any work on his part.  
  Do you AF11X users know if that slid/snap adapter plate is included with 
all radios? 
Yes that slide/snap adapter is included with each of the AF11x (That is how 
they slide/attach to the UBNT dishes).
  If so, can we buy more for Gino to use right now in the event he has lost 
his?  If not how should I alter the mount so the radio can still fit onto the 
adapter?

Re: [AFMUG] receiving actual emails and digest

[Jerry Head]

http://afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af


On 10/5/2017 9:28 AM, Alex Pavlos wrote:

I would like to receive the actual emails from the afmug list.

Thanks,

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Hmmm... in that case.. the question would be... How do you mount the radio to 
the Adapter plate. 

There needs to be a mateing adapter on your plate side... That piece only comes 
with the UBNT Dish... 

(you can pull up the UBNT 10ghz Dish Userguide to see that ...) 

Jiruos adapters that we used, required that piece to be removed from the AF11x 
so that it could be screwed in directly (as per my picture). I was told that 
they were going to redesign so that they would have a mateing bracket on their 
side so that the AF11x would slide in. 

(You will also need to have to include cables to connect to AF11x to the Feed 
horn .. I am sure you already knew that). 

Regards 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 10:45:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

> No because my design presumes the adapter will be there to space the radio out
> away from the end of the waveguide transition. Without that extra spacing the
> radio would crash into the end of the adapter.
> From: Mathew Howard
> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:42 AM
> To: af
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
> Wouldn't it work without the adapter anyway? If I'm remembering right, with 
> the
> Jirous adapters, you take the snap adapter off and just bolt the radio 
> directly
> to their mounting plate using the same holes... wouldn't that line up with 
> your
> adapter too?
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:33 AM, < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote:

>> If that plastic slide/snap adapter is included with each radio, then we 
>> should
>> be good.
>> I designed the spacing and everything assuming that adapter would be used 
>> with
>> each unit.
>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:28 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>> Picture of the Jirous Adapter attached
>> rest of the answers are inline below.
>> If you have any questions, feel free to call me.
>> Regards.
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:58:26 AM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

>>> Made Gino some adapters so he can use AF11x radios on Remec mount antennas.
>>> I made the hole pattern to match a plastic slide and snap adapter that came 
>>> with
>>> the radio I have.

>> That should be fine

>>> But not sure if that part is included with all AF11X radios. Gino is asking
>>> about how the radio is supposed to mount to my adapter.
>>> If the slide/snap is not automatically included in all shipments, I need to
>>> alter the bolt pattern to allow mounting of the radio when that part is not
>>> present. He needs some more of these adapters and I want to make sure to 
>>> send
>>> him stuff that does not require any work on his part.
>>> Do you AF11X users know if that slid/snap adapter plate is included with all
>>> radios?

>> Yes that slide/snap adapter is included with each of the AF11x (That is how 
>> they
>> slide/attach to the UBNT dishes).

>>> If so, can we buy more for Gino to use right now in the event he has lost 
>>> his?
>>> If not how should I alter the mount so the radio can still fit onto the
>>> adapter?

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

[Bill Prince]

That implies some sort of kinetics...


bp


On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Without that extra spacing the radio would crash into the end of the 
adapter. 

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

[chuck]

No because my design presumes the adapter will be there to space the radio out 
away from the end of the waveguide transition.  Without that extra spacing the 
radio would crash into the end of the adapter.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:42 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

Wouldn't it work without the adapter anyway? If I'm remembering right, with the 
Jirous adapters, you take the snap adapter off and just bolt the radio directly 
to their mounting plate using the same holes... wouldn't that line up with your 
adapter too?


On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:33 AM,  wrote:

  If that plastic slide/snap adapter is included with each radio, then we 
should be good.
  I designed the spacing and everything assuming that adapter would be used 
with each unit.  

  From: Faisal Imtiaz 
  Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:28 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

  Picture of the Jirous Adapter attached

  rest of the answers are inline below.

  If you have any questions, feel free to call me.

  Regards.

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:58:26 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

Made Gino some adapters so he can use AF11x radios on Remec mount antennas. 
 
I made the hole pattern to match a plastic slide and snap adapter that came 
with the radio I have.  
  That should be fine
But not sure if that part is included with all AF11X radios.  Gino is 
asking about how the radio is supposed to mount to my adapter.  
If the slide/snap is not automatically included in all shipments, I need to 
alter the bolt pattern to allow mounting of the radio when that part is not 
present.  He needs some more of these adapters and I want to make sure to send 
him stuff that does not require any work on his part.  
Do you AF11X users know if that slid/snap adapter plate is included with 
all radios? 
  Yes that slide/snap adapter is included with each of the AF11x (That is how 
they slide/attach to the UBNT dishes).
If so, can we buy more for Gino to use right now in the event he has lost 
his?  If not how should I alter the mount so the radio can still fit onto the 
adapter?

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

[chuck]

I can make one.  

From: Jon Langeler 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

Do you have something that fits an old Dragonwave Airpair ?


Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Oct 5, 2017, at 8:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


  Made Gino some adapters so he can use AF11x radios on Remec mount antennas.  
  I made the hole pattern to match a plastic slide and snap adapter that came 
with the radio I have.  
  But not sure if that part is included with all AF11X radios.  Gino is asking 
about how the radio is supposed to mount to my adapter.  
  If the slide/snap is not automatically included in all shipments, I need to 
alter the bolt pattern to allow mounting of the radio when that part is not 
present.  He needs some more of these adapters and I want to make sure to send 
him stuff that does not require any work on his part.  
  Do you AF11X users know if that slid/snap adapter plate is included with all 
radios?  If so, can we buy more for Gino to use right now in the event he has 
lost his?  If not how should I alter the mount so the radio can still fit onto 
the adapter?
  

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

[Mathew Howard]

Wouldn't it work without the adapter anyway? If I'm remembering right, with
the Jirous adapters, you take the snap adapter off and just bolt the radio
directly to their mounting plate using the same holes... wouldn't that line
up with your adapter too?

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 9:33 AM,  wrote:

> If that plastic slide/snap adapter is included with each radio, then we
> should be good.
> I designed the spacing and everything assuming that adapter would be used
> with each unit.
>
> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:28 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>
> Picture of the Jirous Adapter attached
>
> rest of the answers are inline below.
>
> If you have any questions, feel free to call me.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> 
> Miami, FL 33155
> 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 <(305)%20663-5518> x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:58:26 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>
>
> Made Gino some adapters so he can use AF11x radios on Remec mount
> antennas.
> I made the hole pattern to match a plastic slide and snap adapter that
> came with the radio I have.
>
> That should be fine
>
> But not sure if that part is included with all AF11X radios.  Gino is
> asking about how the radio is supposed to mount to my adapter.
> If the slide/snap is not automatically included in all shipments, I need
> to alter the bolt pattern to allow mounting of the radio when that part is
> not present.  He needs some more of these adapters and I want to make sure
> to send him stuff that does not require any work on his part.
> Do you AF11X users know if that slid/snap adapter plate is included with
> all radios?
>
> Yes that slide/snap adapter is included with each of the AF11x (That is
> how they slide/attach to the UBNT dishes).
>
> If so, can we buy more for Gino to use right now in the event he has lost
> his?  If not how should I alter the mount so the radio can still fit onto
> the adapter?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Wall Art new method of mounting radios ! 

The installer did this job after a few cases of Tecate ! 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 10:33:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

> that looks broken what u talkin bout Willis

> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390

> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> wrote:

>> Picture of the Jirous Adapter attached

>> rest of the answers are inline below.

>> If you have any questions, feel free to call me.

>> Regards.

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:58:26 AM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

>>> Made Gino some adapters so he can use AF11x radios on Remec mount antennas.
>>> I made the hole pattern to match a plastic slide and snap adapter that came 
>>> with
>>> the radio I have.

>> That should be fine

>>> But not sure if that part is included with all AF11X radios. Gino is asking
>>> about how the radio is supposed to mount to my adapter.
>>> If the slide/snap is not automatically included in all shipments, I need to
>>> alter the bolt pattern to allow mounting of the radio when that part is not
>>> present. He needs some more of these adapters and I want to make sure to 
>>> send
>>> him stuff that does not require any work on his part.
>>> Do you AF11X users know if that slid/snap adapter plate is included with all
>>> radios?

>> Yes that slide/snap adapter is included with each of the AF11x (That is how 
>> they
>> slide/attach to the UBNT dishes).

>>> If so, can we buy more for Gino to use right now in the event he has lost 
>>> his?
>>> If not how should I alter the mount so the radio can still fit onto the
>>> adapter?

[AFMUG] Cool global network stats

[Zach Underwood]

This is some of the data behind http://www.digitalattackmap.com

[image: Inline image 1]



-- 
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
My website 
advance-networking.com

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

[Faisal Imtiaz]

>>If that plastic slide/snap adapter is included with each radio, 

Affirmative ! 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 10:33:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

> If that plastic slide/snap adapter is included with each radio, then we should
> be good.
> I designed the spacing and everything assuming that adapter would be used with
> each unit.
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:28 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
> Picture of the Jirous Adapter attached
> rest of the answers are inline below.
> If you have any questions, feel free to call me.
> Regards.
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:58:26 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

>> Made Gino some adapters so he can use AF11x radios on Remec mount antennas.
>> I made the hole pattern to match a plastic slide and snap adapter that came 
>> with
>> the radio I have.

> That should be fine

>> But not sure if that part is included with all AF11X radios. Gino is asking
>> about how the radio is supposed to mount to my adapter.
>> If the slide/snap is not automatically included in all shipments, I need to
>> alter the bolt pattern to allow mounting of the radio when that part is not
>> present. He needs some more of these adapters and I want to make sure to send
>> him stuff that does not require any work on his part.
>> Do you AF11X users know if that slid/snap adapter plate is included with all
>> radios?

> Yes that slide/snap adapter is included with each of the AF11x (That is how 
> they
> slide/attach to the UBNT dishes).

>> If so, can we buy more for Gino to use right now in the event he has lost 
>> his?
>> If not how should I alter the mount so the radio can still fit onto the
>> adapter?

Re: [AFMUG] Rice University Adds Asphalt To Speed Lithium Metal Battery Charging By 20 Times

[Rory Conaway]

And a company called MGC just figured out how to extract Lithium profitably 
from brine sea water.  They have a plant being built now.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 5:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rice University Adds Asphalt To Speed Lithium Metal 
Battery Charging By 20 Times

Says who? :)

On Oct 5, 2017 7:03 AM, "Cameron Crum" 
> wrote:
But, isn't he whole idea of these things to get away from using the dreaded oil?

Look! We are making these super toxic batteries to save the planet from the 
ravages of oil! And now we are making them better by adding...oil. I'm so 
confused...

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
Originally found on slashdot:

"The capacity of these batteries is enormous, but what is equally
remarkable is that we can bring them from zero charge to full charge
in five minutes, rather than the typical two hours or more needed with
other batteries," Tour said. "While the capacity between the former
and this new battery is similar, approaching the theoretical limit of
lithium metal, the new asphalt-derived carbon can take up more lithium
metal per unit area, and it is much simpler and cheaper to make. There
is no chemical vapor deposition step, no e-beam deposition step and no
need to grow nanotubes from graphene, so manufacturing is greatly
simplified."

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.7b05874

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

[Jon Langeler]

Do you have something that fits an old Dragonwave Airpair ?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Oct 5, 2017, at 8:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Made Gino some adapters so he can use AF11x radios on Remec mount antennas. 
>  
> I made the hole pattern to match a plastic slide and snap adapter that came 
> with the radio I have. 
>  
> But not sure if that part is included with all AF11X radios.  Gino is asking 
> about how the radio is supposed to mount to my adapter. 
>  
> If the slide/snap is not automatically included in all shipments, I need to 
> alter the bolt pattern to allow mounting of the radio when that part is not 
> present.  He needs some more of these adapters and I want to make sure to 
> send him stuff that does not require any work on his part. 
>  
> Do you AF11X users know if that slid/snap adapter plate is included with all 
> radios?  If so, can we buy more for Gino to use right now in the event he has 
> lost his?  If not how should I alter the mount so the radio can still fit 
> onto the adapter?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

[Jaime Solorza]

that looks broken what u talkin bout Willis

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> Picture of the Jirous Adapter attached
>
> rest of the answers are inline below.
>
> If you have any questions, feel free to call me.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> 
> Miami, FL 33155
> 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:58:26 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters
>
>
> Made Gino some adapters so he can use AF11x radios on Remec mount
> antennas.
> I made the hole pattern to match a plastic slide and snap adapter that
> came with the radio I have.
>
> That should be fine
>
> But not sure if that part is included with all AF11X radios.  Gino is
> asking about how the radio is supposed to mount to my adapter.
> If the slide/snap is not automatically included in all shipments, I need
> to alter the bolt pattern to allow mounting of the radio when that part is
> not present.  He needs some more of these adapters and I want to make sure
> to send him stuff that does not require any work on his part.
> Do you AF11X users know if that slid/snap adapter plate is included with
> all radios?
>
> Yes that slide/snap adapter is included with each of the AF11x (That is
> how they slide/attach to the UBNT dishes).
>
> If so, can we buy more for Gino to use right now in the event he has lost
> his?  If not how should I alter the mount so the radio can still fit onto
> the adapter?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

[chuck]

If that plastic slide/snap adapter is included with each radio, then we should 
be good.
I designed the spacing and everything assuming that adapter would be used with 
each unit.  

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

Picture of the Jirous Adapter attached

rest of the answers are inline below.

If you have any questions, feel free to call me.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:58:26 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Fw: AF11x adapters

  Made Gino some adapters so he can use AF11x radios on Remec mount antennas.  
  I made the hole pattern to match a plastic slide and snap adapter that came 
with the radio I have.  
That should be fine
  But not sure if that part is included with all AF11X radios.  Gino is asking 
about how the radio is supposed to mount to my adapter.  
  If the slide/snap is not automatically included in all shipments, I need to 
alter the bolt pattern to allow mounting of the radio when that part is not 
present.  He needs some more of these adapters and I want to make sure to send 
him stuff that does not require any work on his part.  
  Do you AF11X users know if that slid/snap adapter plate is included with all 
radios? 
Yes that slide/snap adapter is included with each of the AF11x (That is how 
they slide/attach to the UBNT dishes).
  If so, can we buy more for Gino to use right now in the event he has lost 
his?  If not how should I alter the mount so the radio can still fit onto the 
adapter?

[AFMUG] receiving actual emails and digest

[Alex Pavlos]

I would like to receive the actual emails from the afmug list.

Thanks,
-- 
Alex Pavlos
Ubiquiti Networks, Inc.
Chicago Design Center
1250 S. Grove Ave. Ste. 100
Barrington, IL 60010
c: +1-847-652-0753
o: +1-847-387-6790

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Mike Hammett]

Bi-directional amplifiers or only Tx? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Lewis Bergman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2017 8:30:12 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 


It is possible to replace more sites with less depending on how they are 
designed and what topography you are battling. We did this a number of years 
ago. The big key was tower top amplifiers allowed us to eliminate the extra 
sites without losing portable overage. 


Just like RadioMobile, engineering propagation programs and knowing how to use 
them are a pretty big key to successfully designing a system. 




On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:41 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




DeKalb county is moving from 17 sites on VHF to 4 sites on digital. Yeah 
fucking right. 

If I had more county board meeting experience, I would have grilled their 
consultant when he gave stupid answers to questions, but I didn't know that I 
could counter. 






- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 








From: "George Skorup" < george.sko...@cbcast.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 7:10:59 PM 



Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting 

Like Hammet says, not enough sites is the major issue with digital. They all 
think digital lets them get more for less. Totally not the case, as many 
agencies have found. 


On 10/4/2017 6:50 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: 






In PA the state police hate the digital system. So they carry two radios in 
their cars. The state digital and their own VHF. It's stupid. 

On Oct 4, 2017, at 19:37, Lewis Bergman < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > wrote: 












Me thinks I am probably the only one on this list with decades of public safety 
and commercial two way radio experience and still in the business. I'll sum it 
up. 



* All Two Way channels are getting narrower 
* Digital is the way things are going to continue to go 
* It ain't going back 

It doesn't matter that 95% of the geography doesn't need it. These trends are 
driven by the dense population areas that require more spectral efficiency and 
there isn't anything anyone is going to do about it. FirstNet is the same thing 
with different bands. Second, try 12.5KHz or 6.25KHz without digital and see 
what that crap sounds like. I lived through it and companding was a lot worse. 
Most of you aren't old enough to remember when the channel sizes were all 50KHz 
instead of 25KHz and everything sounded beautiful. Those days aren't coming 
back. 


No matter what vocoder is used some tuning to dialect and speech helps. Having 
said all that, some voices are not going to sound good on any narrowband. If 
you come from analog wideband to narrowband digital it all sounds like crap. 
You get used the the difference and there is no issue understanding words or 
intent. 


In short; everything sounds better wide band, there is no wide band, get over 
it. 














On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:05 PM George Skorup < george.sko...@cbcast.com > 
wrote: 
















P25 Phase-I uses the IMBE vocoder. Yeah, that kinda sounds like shit. Phase-II 
uses the AMBE+2 vocoder, but then you have the TDMA split into two time slots, 
i.e. half the bandwidth. Still better than IMBE. DMR/TRBO is also 2-slot TDMA 
using AMBE+2. I use it and don't think it sounds that bad at all. Add 
encryption overhead and it sounds worse, regardless of the vocoder used. 
Bandwidth, bandwidth, bandwidth. 



On 10/4/2017 9:27 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: 




But it does. In a stressful situation the last thing you need is to not be able 
to understand communication on the radio. 

On Oct 4, 2017, at 10:20, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 










Hitting delete is so damn easy tho 
















Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 












On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Matt Hoppes < 
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > wrote: 
















Maybe if they weren't running P 25 or whatever that digital compression crap is 
on the radio's conversation would've flown a little bit better. For some reason 
digital radio get sold over and over and over to Public Safety as being the 
cats meow, but here in Pennsylvania is a great example of how it just doesn't 
work. We spend millions of dollars retrofitting a system just to start trying 
to go to another one. 


The last thing you need in a stressful situation is everyone sounding in the 
abbreviated and codex scaling down because the signal level going to repeater 
isn't good 

On Oct 4, 2017, at 10:13, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > 
wrote: 





















The zones could have been wrong - it happens. 

On Wednesday, October 4, 2017, Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Lewis Bergman]

It is possible to replace more sites with less depending on how they are
designed and what topography you are battling. We did this a number of
years ago. The big key was tower top amplifiers allowed us to eliminate the
extra sites without losing portable overage.

Just like RadioMobile, engineering propagation programs and knowing how to
use them are a pretty big key to successfully designing a system.

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:41 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> DeKalb county is moving from 17 sites on VHF to 4 sites on digital. Yeah
> fucking right.
>
> If I had more county board meeting experience, I would have grilled their
> consultant when he gave stupid answers to questions, but I didn't know that
> I could counter.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"George Skorup" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 4, 2017 7:10:59 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>
> Like Hammet says, not enough sites is the major issue with digital. They
> all think digital lets them get more for less. Totally not the case, as
> many agencies have found.
>
> On 10/4/2017 6:50 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
> In PA the state police hate the digital system. So they carry two radios
> in their cars. The state digital and their own VHF. It's stupid.
>
> On Oct 4, 2017, at 19:37, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
>
> Me thinks I am probably the only one on this list with decades of public
> safety and commercial two way radio experience and still in the business.
> I'll sum it up.
>
>- All Two Way channels are getting narrower
>- Digital is the way things are going to continue to go
>- It ain't going back
>
> It doesn't matter that 95% of the geography doesn't need it. These trends
> are driven by the dense population areas that require more spectral
> efficiency and there isn't anything anyone is going to do about it.
> FirstNet is the same thing with different bands. Second, try 12.5KHz or
> 6.25KHz without digital and see what that crap sounds like. I lived through
> it and companding was a lot worse. Most of you aren't old enough to
> remember when the channel sizes were all 50KHz instead of 25KHz and
> everything sounded beautiful. Those days aren't coming back.
>
> No matter what vocoder is used some tuning to dialect and speech helps.
> Having said all that, some voices are not going to sound good on any
> narrowband. If you come from analog wideband to narrowband digital it all
> sounds like crap. You get used the the difference and there is no issue
> understanding words or intent.
>
> In short; everything sounds better wide band, there is no wide band, get
> over it.
>
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:05 PM George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
> P25 Phase-I uses the IMBE vocoder. Yeah, that kinda sounds like shit.
>> Phase-II uses the AMBE+2 vocoder, but then you have the TDMA split into two
>> time slots, i.e. half the bandwidth. Still better than IMBE. DMR/TRBO is
>> also 2-slot TDMA using AMBE+2. I use it and don't think it sounds that bad
>> at all. Add encryption overhead and it sounds worse, regardless of the
>> vocoder used. Bandwidth, bandwidth, bandwidth.
>>
>>
>> On 10/4/2017 9:27 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>
>> But it does. In a stressful situation the last thing you need is to not
>> be able to understand communication on the radio.
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2017, at 10:20, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hitting delete is so damn easy tho
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Rice University Adds Asphalt To Speed Lithium Metal Battery Charging By 20 Times

[Josh Reynolds]

Says who? :)

On Oct 5, 2017 7:03 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

> But, isn't he whole idea of these things to get away from using the
> dreaded oil?
>
> Look! We are making these super toxic batteries to save the planet from
> the ravages of oil! And now we are making them better by adding...oil. I'm
> so confused...
>
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Originally found on slashdot:
>>
>> "The capacity of these batteries is enormous, but what is equally
>> remarkable is that we can bring them from zero charge to full charge
>> in five minutes, rather than the typical two hours or more needed with
>> other batteries," Tour said. "While the capacity between the former
>> and this new battery is similar, approaching the theoretical limit of
>> lithium metal, the new asphalt-derived carbon can take up more lithium
>> metal per unit area, and it is much simpler and cheaper to make. There
>> is no chemical vapor deposition step, no e-beam deposition step and no
>> need to grow nanotubes from graphene, so manufacturing is greatly
>> simplified."
>>
>> http://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.7b05874
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Rice University Adds Asphalt To Speed Lithium Metal Battery Charging By 20 Times

[Cameron Crum]

But, isn't he whole idea of these things to get away from using the dreaded
oil?

Look! We are making these super toxic batteries to save the planet from the
ravages of oil! And now we are making them better by adding...oil. I'm so
confused...

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Originally found on slashdot:
>
> "The capacity of these batteries is enormous, but what is equally
> remarkable is that we can bring them from zero charge to full charge
> in five minutes, rather than the typical two hours or more needed with
> other batteries," Tour said. "While the capacity between the former
> and this new battery is similar, approaching the theoretical limit of
> lithium metal, the new asphalt-derived carbon can take up more lithium
> metal per unit area, and it is much simpler and cheaper to make. There
> is no chemical vapor deposition step, no e-beam deposition step and no
> need to grow nanotubes from graphene, so manufacturing is greatly
> simplified."
>
> http://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.7b05874
>