Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

[Craig Schmaderer]

Mark, I totally agree.  I do have it networked but only I can make the changes. 
 I see it still working for us for a while but do not get me wrong, I would 
like actual software.  I think I might do a demo of patchmanager and check it 
out.  But in all honesty I do not think it takes me more time to do it this 
way, and if I can save $6k a year for the last 6 years, that is not to bad.

From: Af  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 1:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

Didn't Donny Smith have a hosted offering in this arena?

On Wednesday, June 6, 2018, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I’ll let Sterling learn it and then hopefully he can teach me...

From: Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 11:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

Sterling,
The QGIS software is well suited for what you want and you can 
spin up an instance of PostgreSQL/PostGIS database for all the data and have 
the mapping interface directly to the database and without too much other work 
the mapping can be web enabled such that the data is accessible on other 
devices. I would be willing to help you set something like this up. It’s not 
too bad to do if someone already have a Google Earth file and/or spreadsheet 
established for their existing information. That can be imported and used to 
start the whole system. Software cost is nil, time is your other investment and 
paying me if you want some help in that regard. If you already have someone who 
is good with relational databases then your learning curve is not as steep.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 12:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

Sounds interesting.

What I really want, if it exists, is a full layer system.

Such that I can enter my GIS info for conduit and conduit capacity and used 
capacity on the physical level, then the fiber type/count in each section by 
geo on top of that, then the splice points/case map and power readings on top 
of that.

Then the network layer on top of that with all the switch connections and 
capacity, then the layer 3 on top of that with current routing info.

Too much to ask for, but it would be awesome to say give me the details between 
point A and B and explode the view open to all layers to review things at any 
level.

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Dennis Burgess
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 11:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

You can use TowerCoverage.com to map your fiber as well as use our “End User 
Submission” system to match potential users to the fiber mapping.



Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with 
www.towercoverage.com

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Paul 
Stewart
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2018 6:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

We utilize Patch Manager - https://patchmanager.com

It started as a great way to DCIM – data center racks across many locations etc 
but with their GIS mapping add-on and other features we’re looking to utilize 
it for fiber builds and should work pretty nicely ….

Paul


From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Brian 
Webster mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>>
Reply-To: mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, June 1, 2018 at 10:46 PM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

Yes QGIS is a great program and since it is open source you will find a lot of 
support and how to articles. Not as simple as Google Earth Pro but it has a lot 
more power. A real professional GIS platform. The key to its flexibility are 
the plugins you can download. Plan on spending some time reading through each 
of those descriptions to see if there are features you want. It certainly has a 
learning curve as does any mapping program. On the higher level you can 
actually connect to most database platforms so if you plan on managing your 
plant with more than spreadsheets you can keep both the mapping and database 
tied together as one.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 5:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

QGIS is very useful and open 

Re: [AFMUG] Aruba Captive Portal

[Craig Schmaderer]

The aruba instant aps have a built in captive portal with a few security 
options.  It is pretty simple to setup but you will have to install your own 
cert you don't want the security error.  They used to provide an aruba cert but 
they revoked it because it got hacked and I don't know if they ever released a 
newer version of it.


From: Af  on behalf of can...@believewireless.net 

Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 8:12:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Aruba Captive Portal

Has anyone setup a captive portal for an Aruba network? How easy and pricey is 
it to do?

Not asking about 3rd party solutions, just if it is built into their 
controllers and how easy it
is to implement.

Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

[Craig Schmaderer]

Chuck, I do like the outside onts better, like the 711, we still use them for 
all businesses and any residential that orders phone, but just internet 
residential we just use the 801g gigapoint and 844e routers.  Installs are 
faster and cheaper with the 801g, just have to run the fiber patch cord in, 
then run ethernet to where the router is, ie desk…  711 takes more work with 
power cable, battery backup  I wish we could make that jumper cheaper, but I 
have not found a better way to do it.  I am all ears.  Anyone have a good 
source for UniCam SC APC ends that don’t cost $17 a piece?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 6:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

Not only that, you can field terminate the drop with a unicam for about $15
So no $45 jumper.

From: ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 5:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

I just hate indoor ONTs.  People do not respect the fiber.  It gets cut and 
mangled etc.
I guess if  you are nailing the ONT on the wall somewhere, but if it is similar 
to a modem on someone’s desk you are asking for trouble.

From: Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

Clearfield flexible fieldshield patch cables with removable end. Run from 
outside splice box to inside ont. Almost always use the 25 footers. Expensive.  
$45. I have yet found a better solution that doesn’t involve more labor.


From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jason 
McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:10:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

Currently I just run a flat drop fiber to an enclosure on the side of the 
building, then cat5 inside.

Those of you doing indoor ONTs, what are you using for fiber from the outdoor 
splice closure to the ONT?  It would need to be UV rated and probably armored 
since I would prefer to not have to run conduit from the splice closure through 
the exterior wall.

Thanks.

Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

[Craig Schmaderer]

Clearfield flexible fieldshield patch cables with removable end. Run from 
outside splice box to inside ont. Almost always use the 25 footers. Expensive.  
$45. I have yet found a better solution that doesn't involve more labor.


From: Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie 

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:10:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

Currently I just run a flat drop fiber to an enclosure on the side of the 
building, then cat5 inside.

Those of you doing indoor ONTs, what are you using for fiber from the outdoor 
splice closure to the ONT?  It would need to be UV rated and probably armored 
since I would prefer to not have to run conduit from the splice closure through 
the exterior wall.

Thanks.

Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Craig Schmaderer]

Did Paul ever let us know what the current cost and deficit is?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

We used to allow all AnimalFarm sponsors to do exactly this.  Every Friday 
morning.  Perhaps a time to revisit the issue...  Good way to build a kitty for 
Paul.

From: TJ Trout
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

Chuck could consider allowing vendors to post ad's on a specific day and time 
for a specific fee, but that's a whole other animal to deal with, the plus 
would be he could add like *SPONSORED AD* to the title which we can all filter 
straight to spam if desired 

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Its is Overkill, providing your time has no value to chase down why X Mail 
server can’t be delivered to, or why X mail server has undefined bounces or x 
firewall system thinks it’s spam, etc. etc.

Amazon never goes down, never gets blacklisted.

If you are cool with bulk mailserver drama, then have a go at switching, and 
managing that aspect.   

AES is not the cheapest option no doubt.  This was a choice Chuck and I made to 
make sure it “just worked” because we all have businesses that, hopefully, are 
successful enough to not want to fuss with it.

Paul



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 2:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

What is SES?  Amazon?

That seems overkill for a mailing list.

On Feb 18, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
SES


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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Matt Hoppes" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 1:05:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive
Support of what???

What the heck costs that much?

Mailman takes all of 10 minutes to install and just lives after that.

On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:52, Ryan Ray 
> wrote:

Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year including 
support, $1800 not including support.

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> 
wrote:
Can it really be more than $5

How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take when virtualized?

On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John 
> wrote:
Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate this list?
On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:

I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the
not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.

Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to
pa...@pdmnet.net

Paul, what is the current status of our deficit?


--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

[Craig Schmaderer]

Andreas, I am doing the same thing.  I really like Forrest Rack injector, so I 
might hold off on that to power and sync it, but I am definitely going to run 
fiber into it.  I am looking at options to do this, and was wondering if you 
came up with a good idea or tap system that you think will work to run fiber 
into the sfp ports?  I might splice a 12 strand loose tune on the ground in a 
breakout box and then use rugged patch cords to the radio on top?  I would like 
to use a tap system but I haven’t found one yet that has a duplex lc jumper?

Thanks, Criag.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 2:38 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

You can also power a medusa with any PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync, forgot to 
mention this.   Power+Ethernet, but not sync (the 450m doesn't support 
old-style canopy sync).

Shouldn't be a problem at that length for power, not so much ethernet (but use 
a 56V power supply).   And a lot cheaper than a CMM5.

On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 9:06 PM, David M 
> wrote:

here is the link on cambiums site

according to this it has 1.8A per channel/port

https://3fdumf3rqw5xx4mjgywguwz9-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/SS_CMM5_022117v1.pdf

so I dont see an issue with running all 4 ports with medusa for power .. .add 
the controller and now u can turn those ports on and off remotely.



On 12/29/2017 10:43 AM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote:
We need power and timing, but no data… hence the CMM5.

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
WISPA http://wispa.org
Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
Paris Chamber of Commerce
Cambridge Chamber of Commerce


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From: Af  on behalf of 
"ch...@wbmfg.com" 

Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 

Date: Friday, December 29, 2017 at 11:06 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

I would work out ohms law on it to make sure.
Do you need to run data over the CAT 5?
If not, you really don’t need the CMM5, just connect all the wires of similar 
polarity and connect direct to the power supply.

From: Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 7:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450M maximum length of Cat5e (Just for power)

Good Morning,

We have a couple of large towers where we will be installing 450M with fibre.  
To power we, would like to use the CMM5 , but we are unsure if we can power the 
M sufficiently over such a long CAT 5 run.  Does anyone have the answer to 
this? We could see cat5 runs (Shielded and gell filled) of upto 500ft!

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
1-866-727-4138 x-600
http://www.silowireless.com
Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV

Silo Wireless is a Proud Member of:
CanWISP http://www.canwisp.ca
WISPA http://wispa.org
Brantford Brant Chamber of Commerce
Paris Chamber of Commerce
Cambridge Chamber of Commerce


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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 GPS Antenna Issues

[Craig Schmaderer]

Update.  Looks like I had 2 bad pucks out of the box. Replaced them with what I 
think is the older pucks and they have been working fine for a few days. I am 
sending cambium the bad pucks.


From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:00:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 GPS Antenna Issues

Personally I'm doing the GPS pucks with epmp 1000.  Works with Netonix and an 
AC poe...

Forrest said he was shipping like right after...Wispamerica?

They're on the site - http://store.packetflux.com/packetflux-rackinjector/


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
So this list never fails me.   Everything I have is 450 and 100 stuff in my 
network, but I decided to take a crack at ePMP for a small rural tower site.  
Right out of the box I have 2 of the ePMP 2000 working fine with the pucks, but 
the other two are completely hit or miss or barely work.  So I opened up a 
ticket with cambium thinking that I was just stupid, remember I am green to the 
entire ui on Epmp.  They want me to try to install new pucks, I was like are 
you serious?  So after seeing this post this morning, I guess I will just get a 
sync pipe like I was going to do, but I thought the word on the street was the 
internal gps was fine….. Josh, do you have any of the rack injectors yet?  
Is Forest shipping them?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 GPS Antenna Issues

I graph/poll the SNMP sync stat.  There's one AP that gives me some hassle but 
all of the other ones are just fine.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340<tel:(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
review your AP logs, you might be suprised

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Josh Baird 
<joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
GPS pucks are perfectly reliable for us.

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 3:07 PM, Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
packetflux is the only way to sync, everything else is garbage, GPS pucks 
aren't reliable, CTMs and CMMs are a waste of money and are no where near as 
versatile, cambium cant get their pucks to work, so I wouldn't trust their 
little syncpipe knockoffs either. Ala-cart sync, switch agnostic, no worries. 
Small sites you can split one injector to power and/or sync a mix of voltages 
and pinouts, PLUS (this is a big thing) two Fridays ago, after hours, had an 
issue with getting one working, got direct communication from packetflux and 
got things going, good luck with that from cambium and their new tiered support

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 1:54 PM, George Skorup 
<george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
It's not only the antenna. Newer 1000 boards and all 2k's have a GPS+GLONASS 
receiver. They also updated the 450AP a couple years ago with a revision that 
includes this receiver. GPS-only kinda always sucked. With GLONASS added, you 
have a lot more sats available, so the probability of maintaining lock is much, 
much better. I really wish Forrest would start using this in his pipes and 
boxes.

Typically moving the antenna a few inches or a foot says there's some multipath 
going on. And sometimes the receivers just get confused and need a power-cycle. 
I have some SyncPipes on 1-foot stand-offs with another 300' of tower above 
them and rain will make them see no sats.

What has worked better for me than anything else is a SyncInjector and pipe/box 
on the ground away from tower steel and lots of RF. Even then, those get 
confused sometimes too. Usually when I see really bad fading at night during 
the summer, I'll see that tracked sats will go from the normal 9-12 down to 
5-7, but they rarely lose lock.

Once upon a time, I had a SyncInjector and a pipe running in the server room 
for 4-5 days (because I forgot to run a cable outside for the pipe). It worked 
fine... until it rained.


On 7/26/2017 1:31 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
When we first started using EPMP, (5ghz, with GPS) we had some AP's would keep 
losing satellites.  Then after our first couple installs, everything just 
Worked after that.  Slap the GPS antenna on any random surface, and 
lots-o-satellites with no issues.  Now the New AP's we're getting out of 
Distribution have the GLONASS label on the antennas, and we're back to having 
hit and miss GPS again at new s

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 GPS Antenna Issues

[Craig Schmaderer]

So this list never fails me.   Everything I have is 450 and 100 stuff in my 
network, but I decided to take a crack at ePMP for a small rural tower site.  
Right out of the box I have 2 of the ePMP 2000 working fine with the pucks, but 
the other two are completely hit or miss or barely work.  So I opened up a 
ticket with cambium thinking that I was just stupid, remember I am green to the 
entire ui on Epmp.  They want me to try to install new pucks, I was like are 
you serious?  So after seeing this post this morning, I guess I will just get a 
sync pipe like I was going to do, but I thought the word on the street was the 
internal gps was fine….. Josh, do you have any of the rack injectors yet?  
Is Forest shipping them?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP1000 GPS Antenna Issues

I graph/poll the SNMP sync stat.  There's one AP that gives me some hassle but 
all of the other ones are just fine.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
review your AP logs, you might be suprised

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Josh Baird 
> wrote:
GPS pucks are perfectly reliable for us.

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 3:07 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
packetflux is the only way to sync, everything else is garbage, GPS pucks 
aren't reliable, CTMs and CMMs are a waste of money and are no where near as 
versatile, cambium cant get their pucks to work, so I wouldn't trust their 
little syncpipe knockoffs either. Ala-cart sync, switch agnostic, no worries. 
Small sites you can split one injector to power and/or sync a mix of voltages 
and pinouts, PLUS (this is a big thing) two Fridays ago, after hours, had an 
issue with getting one working, got direct communication from packetflux and 
got things going, good luck with that from cambium and their new tiered support

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 1:54 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
It's not only the antenna. Newer 1000 boards and all 2k's have a GPS+GLONASS 
receiver. They also updated the 450AP a couple years ago with a revision that 
includes this receiver. GPS-only kinda always sucked. With GLONASS added, you 
have a lot more sats available, so the probability of maintaining lock is much, 
much better. I really wish Forrest would start using this in his pipes and 
boxes.

Typically moving the antenna a few inches or a foot says there's some multipath 
going on. And sometimes the receivers just get confused and need a power-cycle. 
I have some SyncPipes on 1-foot stand-offs with another 300' of tower above 
them and rain will make them see no sats.

What has worked better for me than anything else is a SyncInjector and pipe/box 
on the ground away from tower steel and lots of RF. Even then, those get 
confused sometimes too. Usually when I see really bad fading at night during 
the summer, I'll see that tracked sats will go from the normal 9-12 down to 
5-7, but they rarely lose lock.

Once upon a time, I had a SyncInjector and a pipe running in the server room 
for 4-5 days (because I forgot to run a cable outside for the pipe). It worked 
fine... until it rained.


On 7/26/2017 1:31 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
When we first started using EPMP, (5ghz, with GPS) we had some AP's would keep 
losing satellites.  Then after our first couple installs, everything just 
Worked after that.  Slap the GPS antenna on any random surface, and 
lots-o-satellites with no issues.  Now the New AP's we're getting out of 
Distribution have the GLONASS label on the antennas, and we're back to having 
hit and miss GPS again at new sites.  Are the new antennas less sensitive?  At 
one location, 1 out of the 4 APs was going from 12 satellites tracked (20 
visible) to 0 Satellites tracked (still 20 visible) at random times.  We moved 
the GPS Puck about 4 inches vertically, and now it has a steady 17 satellites 
tracked.

Has something changed with the Antennas?

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Craig Schmaderer]

Chuck I run my own server but If you don't want to do that I think CTI does a 
white label?  http://www.converge-tech.com/WholesaleVoIP-s/1840.htm I am in no 
way endorsing this service or any other :)


From: Af  on behalf of Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:56:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

I don't do that, but now you know what to ask for when talking to voip 
companies' sales reps...If your usage would be under $500/mo I recommend 
going with something whitelabel you can sign up for online and pay via credit 
card, no need to get sales reps or a quote process involved. Such as 
voip.ms or a competitor.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
OK, then quote me white label hosted voip.

From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would usually define 
it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP server and run the 
traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to different providers based on 
optimal routing to destination. What you're looking for is usually called white 
label hosted voip.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier.

No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central office switch.
I will not be using that for this service.

From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

I think you may misunderstand VoIP  This is a gross oversimplification but 
in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone on one side, and ethernet/IP and 
SIP on the other. Do you intend to have each the ATAs connect individually, 
directly to the service provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server 
which they will register to?



On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
Not looking for SIP trunking.  The calls will come from and go to an ATA in the 
subscribers home.

From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking about?  
You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with your own VoIP 
system, or you want it fully hosted?

What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your 
minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an 
average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?

Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I would 
port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.

We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.

So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.

Re: [AFMUG] Mother's day fun

[Craig Schmaderer]

Read this to my wife. Totally can relate. LoL


From: Af  on behalf of Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 8:39:50 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mother's day fun

Cough cough... hilarious...

On May 14, 2017 7:38 PM, "Jeremy" 
> wrote:
LMAO

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
Grandkids are over.

3 year old granddaughter asked my wife:  Do you have marijuana?

Her grandmother:”No sweety we don’t have any marijuana”.

Granddaughter:”Well we have some at our house”.

So my wife relates this to our daughter and her husband.
They were astounded.  What!  What did she say?!?

So they get the granddaughter to come into the family room for a bit of 
grilling.

“What did you just ask grandma?”

“  I don’t know”

“Did you ask grandma if she has something?  “

“I asked if she has Moana”

Re: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

[Craig Schmaderer]

For health insurance we currently provide a $200 a month reimbursement for 
thier own plan. I hope to someday provide 100% complete premium coverage for 
even family plans. (I think this might be a huge way to get top notch employees)

We do a simple 401k match plan up to 3%

All employees get free internet and home phone of course if they live in the 
coverage area.

Ones that give us a few years get free cell phones for them and their wife.

I lost count how many paid holidays I do. I think its like 9.

Depending on previous job after a year they get 2 weeks paid vacation and it 
grows year after  year.

Hope that helps.

From: Af  on behalf of Paul McCall 
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 8:19:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Employee Retention - Benefits, Insurance, etc.

OK,

Our WISP, Florida Broadband, has reached the point where we need to start 
addressing employee needs for the long term.  I have some good “guys” and don’t 
want to lose them because of not taking good care of them.  Most of them are 
relatively young and health insurance hasn’t been needed, but its still nice to 
have if I can find any way to afford it.  Plus there are many other 
considerations rattling around in my cranial vault.

So, my points of concern are:

Health Insurance – what creative options can be used?, what % 
of coverage is employee contributed?, what levels of coverage are typically 
offered?
401Ks – same type questions, is at a % contribution that the 
company would match?, other create elements ?
Life Insurance – I understand some tower companies (we are not 
one) – purchase a small life insurance policy for the employer as a benefit
(one employee who climbs occasionally) used to 
work for a tower company that had a $ 50K policy for each person
Other benefits or perks – I feel this can be a big one – 
interested to see what creative things can be done in this area.

Thanks in advance for sharing what you have found successful

Paul


Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Calix E7-2 vs AdTran, Zhone, or?

[Craig Schmaderer]

Owning and running active and gpon E7-2 for 5 years has been the best 
experience I have ever had with a product. The 844E AC routers are the best 
routers I have ever used for inside the home with calix tr-69 consumer connect. 
We have around 250 installed and I have nevered RMA a unit yet.  The 801G 
indoor onts are great as well.  Overall the price is more but not really enough 
for me to ever consider changing.  It is the smallest part of my fiber plant 
budget and I sleep well at night.


From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:25:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix E7-2 vs AdTran, Zhone, or?

Very happy.  Very expensive.

-Original Message-
From: Dev
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Calix E7-2 vs AdTran, Zhone, or?

We are looking at the Calix E7-2 for GPON, and wondering what others are
running? Are you happy with  and why/why not?

Re: [AFMUG] FTTH construction tiger team

[Craig Schmaderer]

Chuck I am working on this very thing as well.  We have been in our small town 
for 4 years.  I think we will be done with it next year for sure.  1500 homes, 
I think I did 2 drops the first year…. LOL   All of my storage and equipment is 
here taking up a 7200 square foot building.  I have 3-4 guys dedicated to fiber 
now.  Before I move into the next town, my plan is to have enough guys that I 
can install mainline and drops right behind them and hooking up customers right 
away.  Now we spend months on main line and then usually pull and splice fiber 
all winter.  In between this we do drops and installs for the existing plant.  
So that is why I am heavily looking at a all microduct system from Clearfield.  
I think with five guys I can run this crew in and just hammer mainline and 
drops at the same time and start getting a faster return.  Got to run….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 3:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FTTH construction tiger team


Busy and expensive.

On 3/30/2017 1:18 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I am trying to save the money on building my own stuff.  But yeah, a nice lean 
model with best practices and procedures will work both ways.  Most fiber 
contractors I know are very busy.

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 12:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FTTH construction tiger team

As time goes on, it appears that this will be a great opportunity for someone 
to come up with a model to do fiber build outs as a service to others. If you 
can figure out where all the time goes and eliminate that part of it , you 
might be able to make some real $$$.

-bp

On Thursday, March 30, 2017 10:56 AM, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:

But I do not want to pay them to make a profit doing this.  I want it done at 
cost.

From: Josh 
Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 11:52 AM
To: 
af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FTTH construction tiger team

There are companies that already do this. They contract for CenturyLink, AT, 
Time Warner, etc. We hired one to do all of our outside plant.

Lots of  to be made if you do it right and have a good crew. They always hire 
local labor for ditch digging, but their splice crews and management are 
continuous.

On Mar 30, 2017 12:50 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
>
 wrote:
I am considering building a construction team that can drop into a small town 
or large subdivision, install fiber and move on.
Something where I own the construction equipment and keep labor costs low.  
Want to identify the minimum equipment necessary and the methods of 
construction to provide the best value.

HDD with mud truck
Do we need a vacuum excavator?
Mini excavator
One of these drop plows.  Whoever said their guy can do 5-8 homes per day 
yeah that one (to lazy to search who it was).

What to use for hand holes?
Plastic hand holes?

What are the best values for splice cases?

Perhaps try UBNT GPON.  Can always throw it in the ditch if it does not work.

So a best practices/FTTH in a box schedule of equipment and methods is needed.  
From that I will look at the ROI needed from the equipment as well as the labor 
costs to estimate the costs to do a subdivision.

From that we will look at the ROI on a competitive ARPU to see if an area is 
worth doing.
I keep getting asked to do this, so I guess I better do this.

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

[Craig Schmaderer]

I will try to remember to take a picture of it tomorrow and ask the guys. I own 
so many things now I don't even know how to turn it own.



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Jason McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 5:36:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

I didn't realize that the 410sx had that option. Is it very difficult to 
attach/remove?

On Tuesday, March 21, 2017, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
We have a 410sx works good. Also have the backhoe atchment it comes in handy.  
I plan on getting a r300 quad track plow for microduct next year.



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:26:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

I never found the drill attachment on the Ditch Witch to be very useful.
I have used the maxi sneaker many times.  They used to be terribly top heavy.  
I rolled one on a side hill once.

Mini excavators are nice for start and end holes.

From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 1:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I see 
them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.  I'll be 
using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs.

I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know how 
limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer drops.  
The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be useful.

Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?

Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg

Thanks.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

[Craig Schmaderer]

We have a 410sx works good. Also have the backhoe atchment it comes in handy.  
I plan on getting a r300 quad track plow for microduct next year.



From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:26:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

I never found the drill attachment on the Ditch Witch to be very useful.
I have used the maxi sneaker many times.  They used to be terribly top heavy.  
I rolled one on a side hill once.

Mini excavators are nice for start and end holes.

From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 1:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I see 
them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.  I'll be 
using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs.

I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know how 
limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer drops.  
The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be useful.

Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?

Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg

Thanks.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] 450i medusa

[Craig Schmaderer]

I will be deploying a few of these this year, I have a few 450aps that need to 
be upgraded.  I don’t think you can ask for anything better, canopy reliability 
and features, plus as far as I know, no one can do this in a 20mhz channel, not 
even close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmc9TR_Shqo



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 9:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i medusa

The 450m does uplink and downlink beam-steering and MU-MIMO. So it can talk to 
multiple SMs simultaneously. It's capable of sending different data to 7 SMs in 
the same frame. I wouldn't bet the farm on 7, but real-world results have shown 
3-4 which is a huge improvement over a standard 450/450i sector, especially 
considering it's the same occupied slice of spectrum. The uplink beam steering 
will also give a boost to your SM uplink modulations.

That price tag though. It's cheaper than some LTE stuff and more expensive than 
others. But consider that it's roughly the cost of two 450/450i sectors. If you 
have an installed base of 450/450i SMs (430 SMs not supported), and they're 
dispersed enough across the 90 degrees (not all within 10-15 degrees in a 
valley for example) for you to realize the 3x or potentially more performance 
increase, then it's probably a good solution.

Don't overlook ePMP if you're rolling out green and want to keep costs down. It 
sure ain't no Medusa, but it gives decent performance for the price. An ePMP 
2000 AP is roughly 1/10th the cost of a 450m. And you can add the uplink 
beam-steering "Smart Antenna" to the 2k. We have a few deployed on top of some 
FSK micro-POPs and we're seeing about 85Mbps aggregate. We have about 10% of 
the customers moved off of the FSK so far and it's doing great.
On 3/12/2017 5:39 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I have always been a Canopy guy.  But I realize there are plenty of other 
companies out there that also have good engineering talent.  I don’t want to 
ignore any system but I do trust Canopy/Cambium.

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 4:37 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i medusa

There are other systems that should be able to get more bandwidth to a single 
customer, or even a few customers, but in terms of the overall bandwidth to as 
many customers as possible, I don't think anything comes close to the Medusa. 
That's not to say that it's necessarily the best system for any given 
situation, but if the goal is lots of 15ish meg customers, and quality is more 
important than cost, it's probably the way to go... but I haven't ever operated 
one either.

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 1:43 PM, > 
wrote:
I will know more after my meeting in a couple weeks in Miami.  I am currently 
under the impression that it is giving the largest number of people a decent 
level of service.  I don’t know what they consider decent.  To me anything over 
15 Mbps is gravy.

From: Gino Villarini
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 12:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i medusa

Whats the end game? Top throughput on 1 customer or top throughput on max 
clients?

From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 2:22 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: [AFMUG] 450i medusa

I am still working on a system for Haiti.  Will be visiting with them later in 
the month.  I believe the 450 medusa system is the best recommendation as to 
number of higher bandwidth customers per AP.  But I have never operated one.  
And I know there are other vendors attempting to take prize for highest speeds 
and throughput on a PMP system.

Is there a better system?
How heavy can you load this system?



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Build Time Question

[Craig Schmaderer]

This might only answer half your question but we don't install a customer until 
the entire pon cabinet is done, main line all done and main cross splice cases 
are done.  (About 250 houses usually is the size) So if its a new install drop 
and that handhole doesn't have a splice in yet (because this is the first of 
4-6 drop handhole) so I would say it takes at least 4-6 man hours to do this.  
We usually will have a drop crew install the drop a day before and splice 
everything up to the house. Than our wireless installers install inside the 
house the next days. Drop guys get durty and usually its hard to guess how long 
a drop will take so we have found it easier for the inside installer to come 
later.



From: Af  on behalf of Paul Stewart 
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 7:03:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Build Time Question

Thanks - that helps for sure…. I came up with 4 hours per dwelling on average 
from start to finish to have the service on the curb and ready to pull in …

Basically, in a situation where have permits, locates, engineering and 
everything in place - now guys go! :)  Then as orders come in, then 
“installation” happens and I figured 4 hours there as well doing one off 
installs

Really rough and as you know lots of factors but it doesn’t seem my estimate is 
far off

Thanks,
Paul



> On Mar 6, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> That's what happens when you don't actually read the post
>
> We provide the duct if the developer provides the trench, so that part is 
> pretty quick.  Handholes are installed later.  Probably a half hour per 
> dwelling for empty duct and handholes.
>
> Then we pull and splice.  Add another hour per dwelling.
>
> Then we hang the ONT and install.  Probably 3 hours per dwelling.  But that 
> is doing them in volume with a crew of 4-6 guys.
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Paul Stewart
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 4:21 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Build Time Question
>
> 80% of what? :)  I’m trying to calculate man hours …
>
> Thanks,
> Paul
>
>> On Mar 6, 2017, at 6:18 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> 80%
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Paul Stewart
>> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 4:15 PM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber Build Time Question
>>
>> I checked around and can’t come up with a number so asking the list …. it’s 
>> an open ended question I realize…
>>
>> For every 1000 homes passed, assuming a medium density deployment (meaning 
>> primarily houses in subdivisions but limited MDU) - how much time to trench 
>> the fiber and have connectivity ready to then run the drop to a customer 
>> premise when they order service?  I’m trying to calculate the man hours 
>> involved with going down a street and having everything ready for service 
>> leaving out the CPE/drop side of things.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Paul
>>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] PTP450i vs PTP600

[Craig Schmaderer]

I have a good number of PTP450i links running 30mhz channels with great 
results.  I am installing some new links this year, and I can get used PTP600 
gear for almost the same price.  I have never used any PTP600 or PTP650 gear.  
I would love to hear any opinions on what you guys think is a better solution.  
It think i see 2 main differences just by looking at the spec sheets.  I am 
able to pull about 200-225mbs on a PTP450i in 30mhz channels, the PTP600 spec 
sheet shows 300mbs.  Also one other negative on the PTP600 is it looks like 
there are 2 different units in the 5ghz band and no unit in the low 5.1-5.2ghz 
band.  Thanks, Craig.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] 450 30MHz channels

[Craig Schmaderer]

If you have the spectrum it works great. I have one tower running ABAB on 60mhz 
since July running great.



From: Af  on behalf of Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 4:45:31 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 30MHz channels

I have one SCADA network using 30MHz channels and working well despite noise in 
area from two WISPs...

On Mar 1, 2017 3:14 PM, "Sean Heskett" 
> wrote:
If you've got the noise floor and available spectrum I'd go for it.

-Sean

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:56 PM Dan Petermann 
> wrote:
Are any of you running 30MHz channels of your 450 gear?

All of our customers are installed at a minimum of 4X. We are consistently 
hitting 100% downlink on some APs. Changing to a 30MHz wide channel should 
alleviate that issue (somewhat), correct?

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

[Craig Schmaderer]

What is this stuff going to cost?  Obviously this is for micropops. Can I go 
through 1 tree? Can i lay real fiber cheaper?



From: Af  on behalf of Gino Villarini 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:27:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

The new term is HFW Hybrid Fiber Wireless

From: Af > on behalf of Ken 
Hohhof >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 3:27 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

So are all of us going to have to start calling wireless “fiber” now, because 
that’s what the big guys are doing?

Reminiscent of the Einstein quote, it’s like a very long cat, but without the 
cat.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

Aparrently some beta units to big guys like Google Fiberwave

From: Af > on behalf of Jaime 
Solorza >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 12:14 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

Heard they are shipping... True?



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector

[Craig Schmaderer]

Adam, do you need more processing power or the uplink noise filter?  My 450 are 
performing just fine.  I don't see a huge reason to upgrade just to a 450i. I 
have a few that will go to a full 450m this year. Just curious on your thoughts.



From: Af  on behalf of SmarterBroadband 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:40:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector

:)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:36 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector

Welcome back comrade

On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "SmarterBroadband" 
> wrote:
Has anyone done a real world comparison of the 450m limited vs 450i integrated 
sector?

I would like to know if the 450m in sector mode works as well or better than 
the new integrated sector version of the 450i.

I have a couple of locations with old 450 I was thinking of upgrading to 450i, 
but with the 450m limited being available I am considering going in that 
direction saving another clime in a year or so.

I just don’t know what the performance of the m antenna would be like on sector 
mode.

Thanks

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] M-Tow-Triple specs

[Craig Schmaderer]

Chuck, I think I will take 2 sets, my goal is to clamp it to a 5 foot section 
of Rohn 55 that was welded on top of a water tower a few years back, this way I 
can mount 4 antennas on 2 legs with my preferred 2.5" size pipe, and the third 
leg has a 911 antenna on it.  What do you think, not in a huge hurry but I will 
take 2 sets.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 1:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] M-Tow-Triple specs

I will be opening it up to accommodate a 5 inch tower leg on all three 
positions.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 12:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] M-Tow-Triple specs

I do and will attach it.  Just have not settled on the dimensions yet.  If you 
want to look this over and be our beta customer we will make you some.

This is a draft drawing.

From: Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 12:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] M-Tow-Triple specs

Chuck, I think I saw you talking about this mount a few months back, do you 
have an image or dimension sheet on it.  I think this is exactly what I need 
for a new tower.

800-M-TOW-TRIPLE TRIPLE PIPE MOUNT 1" TO 4.5" OD (KIT OF 2)

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

[AFMUG] M-Tow-Triple specs

[Craig Schmaderer]

Chuck, I think I saw you talking about this mount a few months back, do you 
have an image or dimension sheet on it.  I think this is exactly what I need 
for a new tower.

800-M-TOW-TRIPLE TRIPLE PIPE MOUNT 1" TO 4.5" OD (KIT OF 2)

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

[Craig Schmaderer]

Gino I thought you were a SAF man. ;)



From: Af  on behalf of Jon Bruce 

Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 1:36:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

Yes. Piping Hot still shows up in some MAC lookups.

On 2/10/2017 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I remember my first PTP400 link I went out of my way to buy from Orthogon, 
rather than the relabeled Motorola version.  It was just a matter of weeks and 
the press release came out that Motorola had bought them.  Wasn’t the legal 
name something like Piping Hot Networks Ltd.?


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 1:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So i got shafted by Cambium and a PTP820S

SAF is excellent in this regard, and the warranty is a relatively inexpensive 
insurance policy

Cambium has never been as shitty to customers as motorola, but pretty close



On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Seth Mattinen 
> wrote:
On 2/10/17 10:36, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 2/10/17 10:32, Gino Villarini wrote:
Bought our first PTP820S for 6ghz High, one unit came faulty from
factory.  I have to wait 30 days for replacement� geez�

So Cambium is not stocking replacement radios? I guess this is what
happens wen you relabel Ceragon�

My MW business is going elsewhere�


I don't think 6GHz band gear is highly stocked by anyone. Why didn't you
buy spares? =P


Actually I should correct myself in that SAF will stock spares if you pay for 
their next day replacement plan. Otherwise you have to send it back to them for 
repair with a turnaround of about 4 weeks.

~Seth



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 40mbps 450 SM keys

[Craig Schmaderer]

I'm pretty sure they don't. I always buy either 20 or unlimited.



From: Af  on behalf of Kurt Fankhauser 

Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 8:00:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 40mbps 450 SM keys

Does Cambium still sell 40mbps SM keys for 450? I don't see them anymore only 
keys I see is 10, 20, unlimited.

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City Fiber

[Craig Schmaderer]

It’s a cool setup, but it’s a lot more fun installing the fiber myself and 
owning everything.  :)  Maybe it is time for you to get back in the game Travis!

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 9:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Ammon City Fiber

Hi,

Here is the new fiber network that has been developed over the last 6 years in 
a suburb of Idaho Falls. A quick breakdown:

Fiber install = $3,000 to the homeowner, or financed at $15/month as a bond 
against the property for 20 years.
Fiber transport for 100Mbps = $25/month to the city ISP service ranges from 
$40-$109/month depending on which provider you pick and which speed.

So, right now 100Mbps x 100Mbps total cost is around $149/month with $0 install.

The other thing is the customer can switch providers "on the fly" from a 
webpage.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/06/what-if-switching-fiber-isps-was-as-easy-as-clicking-a-mouse/

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] SlingTV

[Craig Schmaderer]

https://www.tivo.com/shop/ota-detail  This looks really promising for OTA DVR 
function.  4 tuners, and supports multiroom for tivo mini, I know its $400 but 
still for free ota, I don’t think anyone makes anything better than a Tivo.  I 
have heard the ChannelMaster sucks, and putting together a customer built unit 
is not for everyone.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 1:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SlingTV

What device are you using Sling on? I've been using Roku3/VUE app. Works but 
there is much to be desired with the interface. Having no guide is killing me. 
Also, how are you getting local content? OTA antenna?

On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 10:46 AM, > 
wrote:
SlingTV added DVR.  Still figuring it out.  I recorded a movie that was part 
way over and it didn’t go back and get the beginning, no big surprise but I was 
hoping.
I still like DirecTV now better for a variety of reasons.  I let PlaystationVUE 
expire.

Re: [AFMUG] new 450m subs?

[Craig Schmaderer]

Take this only for what it is, but someone hinted to me about a week ago and 
this is what they said

They will be fully unlocked with no license keys. MSRP is approximately $299. 
ETA is April or May.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dev
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] new 450m subs?

Anyone have an update on the availability of the 450m sub version that’s like 
the epmp200? I thought I remember hearing Q1 sometime? Pricing?

Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

[Craig Schmaderer]

I was under the impression that they are or were working on this as well.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 1:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

I might have heard, on this list or on the forums, that Cambium is developing 
an airtime-fairness feature to combat this very issue. Did I dream this or is 
this a confirmed feature? If Cambium is listening, I'd love to help in the beta 
if/when it becomes available.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
<ericm...@gmail.com<mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Sean,

We are about half 5.4 and half 5.8. You need you to understand that in this 
particular case we have about 20+ AP's crammed in a town about 2.5 square miles 
along with two other wireless internet providers. The frequency coordination 
and high noise floor is the primary reason for 1x and 2x connections. On top of 
that we have around 3k subscribers and 30 roaming combination techs installing 
CPE all across western Kansas. You may have complete oversight of where and 
when you install customers... I simply do not have that luxury. I preach the 
importance of quality installs constantly, but between their supervisors, 
marketing teams and pressure from customers, they install what they feel 
comfortable. The install tech has full discretion, for better or for worse. In 
the face of all this, 2x subs sometimes get installed. I understand fully that 
we made our own bed here. It is what it is. This is why I say "in a perfect 
world".

As I said before, we truck-rolled our entire customer base for those who have 
poor/marginal signals. We made significant improvements but only gained very 
little in capacity for our efforts. In hindsight, it cost us more than we 
gained. Hence the reason I ask if 450i has any significant improvements over 
vanilla 450.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
eric are any of your APs using the 5.4 band?

you could put up some additional APs in the 5.4 band and migrate the close-in 
clients to them to provide more capacity.

-sean


On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Eric Muehleisen 
<ericm...@gmail.com<mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
In a perfect world.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
You shouldn't be putting any clients on a 450AP with less than 4x connections, 
when they start pulling a lot of traffic they significantly choke the AP. 
Whoever engineered those links needs slapped. I know it probably  looked like a 
good idea at the time to add a new customer but a couple low signal clients 
really affect total AP capacity. You could probably pull all the 1x and 2x 
clients and replace them with 10 times more customers running at 8x mnodulatio 
n and maintain the same utilization rates on that AP.

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
Remember that even a couple of sms runing at 2x or 4x will kill your peak 
performance if they are the ones that are usually streaming.  We are very 
careful on what aps we put low signals on and we control what plans we offer as 
well based on signal strength. I just can not have a 2x customer want a 10mb 
plan.  I do think that a 450i will definitely help with uplink interference 
like others have said. But i think your best bet is to drop the cash and put 
some 450m up on that tower.  Sounds like that is a cash cow tower like my main 
tower is.


From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jon 
Langeler <jon-ispli...@michwave.net<mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 4:18:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

Put a Mikrotik behind an SM and speed test to the internet

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jan 19, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Brian Sullivan 
> <installe...@foxvalley.net<mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>> wrote:
>
> I would check out page 9-51 in the PMP 450x Configuration and User Guide 
> 15.0.2
>
>> On 1/19/2017 11:37 AM, Tushar Patel wrote:
>> So how can we tell when we are really saturating the connection?
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

[Craig Schmaderer]

Remember that even a couple of sms runing at 2x or 4x will kill your peak 
performance if they are the ones that are usually streaming.  We are very 
careful on what aps we put low signals on and we control what plans we offer as 
well based on signal strength. I just can not have a 2x customer want a 10mb 
plan.  I do think that a 450i will definitely help with uplink interference 
like others have said. But i think your best bet is to drop the cash and put 
some 450m up on that tower.  Sounds like that is a cash cow tower like my main 
tower is.



From: Af  on behalf of Jon Langeler 

Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 4:18:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

Put a Mikrotik behind an SM and speed test to the internet

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jan 19, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Brian Sullivan  wrote:
>
> I would check out page 9-51 in the PMP 450x Configuration and User Guide 
> 15.0.2
>
>> On 1/19/2017 11:37 AM, Tushar Patel wrote:
>> So how can we tell when we are really saturating the connection?
>

Re: [AFMUG] homemade computer pr0n

[Craig Schmaderer]

I just .. in my pants.  Oh how I miss you assembly language.



From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 7:12:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] homemade computer pr0n

Where was this 20 years ago when I needed it?

-Original Message-
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 5:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] homemade computer pr0n

I figured Chuck and Forrest would like this.

http://imgur.com/gallery/hfG6e

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

[Craig Schmaderer]

Forest how close are you to having that rack module ready!  I want now!



From: Af  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 5:12:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

I seem to remember there was a connection between Motorola and PCTel/Maxrad via 
executive Marty Singer.  I was shocked when I saw that, since I had experience 
with Mr. Singer when I was at Tellabs.  I will not comment further since this 
list is public and I don't want to get sued.  I will note that if I remember 
correctly, his PhD was actually in Experimental Psychology, and this was 
evident in his dealings with coworkers.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 4:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Here is a fragment of a 10 year old note to Motorola legal about a call I had 
with one of their guys back when I was paying pretty large royalties to be 
listed on their third party website. (I held H pol for over a year at their 
request due to their deal with Earthlink)

I told him that the meager amount of traffic we get from the web site is not 
worth the royalty.  And again rehearsed the points of the . . . . . . email.

[he] then gave me a litany of particulars that I found offensive and for the 
most part erroneous as listed below:


  1.  WB is taking advantage of Motorola.
  2.  WB currently gets all advantages that Cascade gets.  (Oh, Really!)
  3.  WB too small to get same deal as MTI, Maxrad and Mars.
  4.  Maxrad, MTI and Mars pay zero royalty.
  5.  Motorola does not trust or suspects our data on our 900 MHz stinger.
  6.  (He said the wave form might not be accurate and how could we just draw a 
waveform like that.  They cannot believe the waveform.  I presume he meant 
antenna pattern).

[he] said Mot was talking to Equinox about getting FCC approval and 3rd party 
listings.  (Equinox is a competitor of WB as is Mars, Maxrad and MTI)

I told [him] to please remove our listing from the Motorola web site and 
consider the agreement terminated.  I told him that we were proceeding with the 
launch of all products including H pol on all frequencies.  He indicated that I 
could not do that, I told him to just watch me.

He would not terminate the call and continued to press for continued dialog.  I 
repeated multiple times, "please remove me from the website".  I finally had to 
hang up on him .

Re: [AFMUG] 20mhz vs 30mhz PMP450

[Craig Schmaderer]

I have a tower 4 90s 30mhz running back to back for months just screaming. I 
saw a good performance jump a month ago when i went from 14.2.1 to 15.1.



From: Af  on behalf of Brian Sullivan 

Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 3:47:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 20mhz vs 30mhz PMP450

We are back to back 20 + 30 for about a week.  Seems OK.

On 1/5/2017 2:51 PM, Jon Langeler wrote:
> Anyone using 30mhz? Is it possible to sync 20 with 30?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla autopilot and crash

[Craig Schmaderer]

Maybe it will never be built, but everything that people worry about on its 
design has been said about airplanes and look how that ended up. ;)



From: Af  on behalf of Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 7:54:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla autopilot and crash


The way that thing goes, you'll never be in it for more than 45 minutes.

And of course... Nothing can go wrong.


bp




On 12/29/2016 5:42 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I have never been claustrophobic, but just the thought of that thing makes my 
breathing labored.�
I want to be able to get up and go to the can or get off the train to go to the 
can.�
I also want to be able to walk away from an accident or malfunction if I am 
able.�
�
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 4:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla autopilot and crash
�

I saw a mock-up that had 16 or 24 or something passengers.

bp




On 12/29/2016 3:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Not sure where Musk�s hyperloop falls on this continuum.� Does he envision 
1-person canisters?� I thought it was more like a train car.� If they just 
stuffed one person in each canister, it would be like the tubes at bank 
drive-throughs.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla autopilot and crash

[Craig Schmaderer]

If i could work on the road that would give me 10 more hours a week.  It would 
be a dream come true.



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of ch...@wbmfg.com <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 5:10:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla autopilot and crash

I drive 49 miles X 2   4 days a week.
Leaf was perfect for that.
I have a car coming off of lease in 3 months so I need to decide what to get 
next.
I may try a bolt.  It does not have autopilot, but I do think it has lane 
tracking assist in the more expensive version.

From: Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 4:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla autopilot and crash

I drive 60 miles to work for the past 15 years. Its on my list to buy, just not 
ready to drop that much cash. Maybe get a used one in a year or 2.  I go 68 mph 
with no stop lights the entire way. This would be a dream.  At least then it 
would be safer when i read up on afmug like im doing right now. ;)



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 10:12:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla autopilot and crash

Is that why customers keep calling about problems with their Wifey?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 9:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla autopilot and crash

they call those dishwashers


On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 9:45 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
But doesnt it take the fun out of driving?  Next you guys will want automatons 
for your wifeys

On Dec 28, 2016 8:29 PM, "Seth Mattinen" <se...@rollernet.us> wrote:
On 12/28/16 7:28 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
The autopilot is the main reason I'd buy a Tesla. It's pretty amazing stuff.


Just don't watch a movie while using it.

~Seth



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla autopilot and crash

[Craig Schmaderer]

I drive 60 miles to work for the past 15 years. Its on my list to buy, just not 
ready to drop that much cash. Maybe get a used one in a year or 2.  I go 68 mph 
with no stop lights the entire way. This would be a dream.  At least then it 
would be safer when i read up on afmug like im doing right now. ;)



From: Af  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 10:12:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla autopilot and crash

Is that why customers keep calling about problems with their Wifey?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 9:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla autopilot and crash

they call those dishwashers


On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 9:45 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
But doesnt it take the fun out of driving?  Next you guys will want automatons 
for your wifeys

On Dec 28, 2016 8:29 PM, "Seth Mattinen" 
> wrote:
On 12/28/16 7:28 PM, 
can...@believewireless.net wrote:
The autopilot is the main reason I'd buy a Tesla. It's pretty amazing stuff.


Just don't watch a movie while using it.

~Seth



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

[Craig Schmaderer]

If there was only a way to turn them into 450sm's.  ?



From: Af  on behalf of Paul McCall 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 10:34:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

Pictures send OFFLIST to Josh

I will simply post a picture of ONE 60ft. wall (20 ft. tall) with an average of 
50 radios per box.  I also posted the man / box lift attachment for the fork 
lift (full of junk headed to the trash bin ATM) that we use for moving 
everything up that high.   (no ladders involved)  All the shelves are attached 
to the wall studs of course.  3 walls full , plus a loft, plus other misc. 
spots in the main warehouse, plus several hundred in a remote warehouse.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

I want to see of 15,000 easy radios ;)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
That would only be 2000 radios.  We have 15000 easy

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 11:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

I want to see a picture of a ton of radios at 1 pound each.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Literally, we have TONS of FSK in stock, all flavors.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy For Sale

Paul McCall generally has stock.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Dec 18, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
Any 900 APs?

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
If the 900 get picked up and somebody is still looking for more, we have plenty 
too

On Dec 17, 2016 2:56 PM, "Jay Weekley" 
 
> wrote:

   All SMs?

   SmarterBroadband wrote:


   We have used Canopy FSK for sale;

   5700

   P10 Qty 41   $25

   P11 Qty 72   $30

   2400

   P9   Qty 21   $25

   P10 Qty 163 $30

   900

   P9   Qty 43   $30

   P10 Qty 96   $35

   All tested in house and reset to factory defaults.

   Guaranteed not DOA for 7 days.

   You pay shipping.

   May consider offers for large quantities.

   Adam

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Re: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

[Craig Schmaderer]

Chuck what do you think of the upgraded battery?  $5,500


[Image]



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:04:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

Looks sweet.  I hope it doesn't cost more than the house.

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

[AFMUG] Tesla solar roof

[Craig Schmaderer]

Looks sweet.  I hope it doesn't cost more than the house.

Get Outlook for iOS

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

[Craig Schmaderer]

Ive been running baicells since june. We have over 16 links around .5 to 1 
miles going through trees like they don't exist getting 80mb down.  A mile of 
trees might be pushing it ;)

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.


From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:17:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

Aggregate. The guys were out with one CPE moving around. The -115 RSRP location 
was giving about 140ms latency. From what I heard anyway. Doesn't surprise me 
seeing as how the uplink bandwidth was pretty much nothing.

We're going to try switching a couple customers from 900 FSK over to this thing 
tomorrow.

On 10/12/2016 9:09 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
7 Mbps per sub or aggregate?  I assume aggregate.  Well, OK, if you only have 1 
sub they're  the same.

Yes definitely, log CINR and modulation.

Also might want to do a ping test and measure min/avg/max latency and pkt loss.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

So far we're seeing no better than about -88 RSRP. Most places we tested was 
right around -100. All Non-LOS. Very Non-LOS. Within a mile. And the nitwits 
didn't get my memo that I wanted to collect CINRs and mod rates too. They were 
able to still get about 7Mbps down (less than 50kbps up tho) with about a -115 
RSRP. And I did double check that we're not exceeding the 1W/MHz EIRP cap. 
We're going to do some more testing tomorrow.
On 10/11/2016 8:58 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I hope it works for you through the solid mile of trees, I'm skeptical though.  
It seems to me like a golfer trying every new brand of club and ball that comes 
out hoping to find one that goes straight through a mile of trees to the green. 
 You may get incremental improvement, but I know people in that situation whose 
cellphones don't work.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 11:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

I haven't changed or turned on anything new facing you. And I don't do 
alternate freqs on the 450's even though sometimes LBT goes to hell. Things 
have really calmed down since moving the entire 450 network from 13.2.1 to 
14.1.2 though.

We are going to be testing a Baicell tomorrow in an isolated area and not even 
facing you. Just FYI. I have it down in the lower half of the band to step on 
the UBNT shit which I don't really care about anyway. A straight mile deep 
trees, so I doubt we'll even see it on any other sectors.
On 10/10/2016 11:11 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
Ive been beating the hell out of my network this last week with the 320 going 
to shit. The UBNT 3ghz hasnt gotten any worse that it was
I went as far as shutting down the majority of the 3 ghz to get spectrums. Went 
through and coordinated the network based on those. i added QOS profiles with 
harq, it got me management of most of the CPEs, the customer experience is 
deplorable, theyre all probably trump supporters.
Im going to let this sit for a few more days to see if Im just fighting the 
atmosphere. If it doesnt resolve, Ill need to hail mary and expert for a paid 
gig to get on my network with me for a few hours one evening soon and put into 
words for my boss just why it is he should not hire incompetent boobs like me 
to run his network, and hopefully offer some advice on how i can save face.
im getting in a bunch of packetflux so all the 320 is synced (there are a few 
outliers that never got sync as other projects took priority and I have a 
couple base units that lost communication with the syncinjectors. I figure if I 
get everything on the same sync product I unsure theres not some diode between 
manufacturer products offsetting the puls by a few nanoseconds.
I see a forklift in the near term of ubnt 3ghz to epmp 5ghz to free up spectrum 
for 450, which i assume will destroy the remaining 320.


Please hit me offlist if you will be available for a contract


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - why do this to a Tesla Model S? Why????????

[Craig Schmaderer]

Dead people need electric cars too!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2016 1:18 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - why do this to a Tesla Model S? Why

I like it...

On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:

Ugh.

Because they can?



bp




On 10/8/2016 1:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
http://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/tesla-model-s-hearse
�

[AFMUG] Level 3 Outage?

[Craig Schmaderer]

Looks like level 3 is out across the country?  I am seeing tweets all across 
the country.  We are down on inbound level 3 sip, anyone else?

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber advertising / mailers?

[Craig Schmaderer]

When i design the fiber area we use the house address for the drop identifier.  
We than use the county asesser website to guess the name of the home owner or 
we just use Current Resident if we can't figure out the name.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 11:12 AM -0500, "Jason Wilson" 
<ja...@remotelylocated.com<mailto:ja...@remotelylocated.com>> wrote:

You can give them your current client list and they will exclude them from the 
mailings.

[http://remotelylocated.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/cropped-Remotely-Located-Logo.jpg]
Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com<http://www.remotelylocated.com>

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 4:51 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
Can they exclude current customers?   We build a mailing list by hand when we 
deploy a new gpon cabinet and then exclude current customers so they don't 
receive the new promos.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 10:19 PM -0500, "Jason Wilson" 
<ja...@remotelylocated.com<mailto:ja...@remotelylocated.com>> wrote:


I have been using market broadband proximity mailing. Provide them with your 
coverage area and they send cards to your folks in your coverage area only. 
Send them the clients you install and they send to the area around your install.

I can send contact information off list.

On Sep 28, 2016 7:47 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Making some right now, remind me again in a week and I should have proof.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber advertising / mailers?

Does anyone have any fiber advertising mailers or pamphlets they are willing to 
share?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber advertising / mailers?

[Craig Schmaderer]

Sterling i would like to see your draft too.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 6:51 AM -0500, "Craig Schmaderer" 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:

Can they exclude current customers?   We build a mailing list by hand when we 
deploy a new gpon cabinet and then exclude current customers so they don't 
receive the new promos.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 10:19 PM -0500, "Jason Wilson" 
<ja...@remotelylocated.com<mailto:ja...@remotelylocated.com>> wrote:


I have been using market broadband proximity mailing. Provide them with your 
coverage area and they send cards to your folks in your coverage area only. 
Send them the clients you install and they send to the area around your install.

I can send contact information off list.

On Sep 28, 2016 7:47 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Making some right now, remind me again in a week and I should have proof.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber advertising / mailers?

Does anyone have any fiber advertising mailers or pamphlets they are willing to 
share?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber advertising / mailers?

[Craig Schmaderer]

Can they exclude current customers?   We build a mailing list by hand when we 
deploy a new gpon cabinet and then exclude current customers so they don't 
receive the new promos.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 10:19 PM -0500, "Jason Wilson" 
<ja...@remotelylocated.com<mailto:ja...@remotelylocated.com>> wrote:


I have been using market broadband proximity mailing. Provide them with your 
coverage area and they send cards to your folks in your coverage area only. 
Send them the clients you install and they send to the area around your install.

I can send contact information off list.

On Sep 28, 2016 7:47 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Making some right now, remind me again in a week and I should have proof.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber advertising / mailers?

Does anyone have any fiber advertising mailers or pamphlets they are willing to 
share?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Elon Musk about to talk about colonizing Mars

[Craig Schmaderer]

I was thinking the same thing!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Elon Musk about to talk about colonizing Mars

He certainly didn't let me down, but those inane questions from audience 
members certainly did. Makes me want to leave this planet even more.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Elon Musk about to talk about colonizing Mars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1YxNYiyALg=youtu.be

I have waited over a year for this speech.  I hope he doesn't let us down.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

[AFMUG] OT: Elon Musk about to talk about colonizing Mars

[Craig Schmaderer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1YxNYiyALg=youtu.be

I have waited over a year for this speech.  I hope he doesn't let us down.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] Directv Now

[Craig Schmaderer]

As of now they have not listed any channel list yet.  They did say they are 
about 90% ready and want to start presale this fall.  One article mentioned 
might not launch until first part of 2017?

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 2:21 PM -0500, "Chuck McCown" 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I just put this page up:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Streaming_and_Satellite_TV_Packages

Tired of comparing packages.  It needs lots of work.  I would like to change 
the x marks out to some code reflecting which packages have that channel.  Like 
to make the table sortable etc.  Do we have a DTV channel lineup yet?

From: Craig Schmaderer<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 11:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Directv Now

Featuring "very, very aggressive price points," the service is said to include 
more than 100 premium channels and will come in app form on smartphones, 
tablets, and set-top boxes, although the specifics of the launch were kept to a 
minimum.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Directv Now

Well if they can transition 90% of their people to streaming they can sell off 
their space segment.
Are the packages identical on streaming to the satellite?

From: Craig Schmaderer<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Directv Now

Streaming only, just like slingtv

AT believes it can offer something more attractive. The company plans to 
initially go after the 20 million households with no pay TV subscription, 
Stephenson said.


When asked if DirecTV Now could threaten its DirecTV satellite business, 
Stephenson (CEO) acknowledged some risk. But "that's a good sign," he said.

"If you don't see them threatening your legacy products, 99 percent of the time 
they don't go anywhere," he said. "It means you found something the market 
really wants."


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Directv Now

Too lazy to go to the link.
Is this streaming only or do you have to be a satellite customer?

From: Craig Schmaderer<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 9:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Directv Now

They have been quite for a few months, but here is an update with the new 
service.

https://www.cnet.com/news/at-ts-directv-now-streaming-video-service-will-launch-in-fourth-quarter/

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] Directv Now

[Craig Schmaderer]

Featuring "very, very aggressive price points," the service is said to include 
more than 100 premium channels and will come in app form on smartphones, 
tablets, and set-top boxes, although the specifics of the launch were kept to a 
minimum.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Directv Now

Well if they can transition 90% of their people to streaming they can sell off 
their space segment.
Are the packages identical on streaming to the satellite?

From: Craig Schmaderer<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Directv Now

Streaming only, just like slingtv

AT believes it can offer something more attractive. The company plans to 
initially go after the 20 million households with no pay TV subscription, 
Stephenson said.


When asked if DirecTV Now could threaten its DirecTV satellite business, 
Stephenson (CEO) acknowledged some risk. But "that's a good sign," he said.

"If you don't see them threatening your legacy products, 99 percent of the time 
they don't go anywhere," he said. "It means you found something the market 
really wants."


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Directv Now

Too lazy to go to the link.
Is this streaming only or do you have to be a satellite customer?

From: Craig Schmaderer<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 9:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Directv Now

They have been quite for a few months, but here is an update with the new 
service.

https://www.cnet.com/news/at-ts-directv-now-streaming-video-service-will-launch-in-fourth-quarter/

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

[AFMUG] Question for Chuck 800-DCSS-APC

[Craig Schmaderer]

I planning for upgrading a tower with DC power for the upcoming Medusa and some 
of my Baicell LTE radios.  100 watts per radio should be a good link budget.  
Looking at 16awg, 330ft runs, so thinking about 56v power supply at 2 amps.  
Will this be a good surge protector?  Obviously it will work great for 
lightning, but my questions are.  At 7amp clamping is that ok or too high if we 
get a short on the cable?  Can I just install these at the base of the tower, I 
really don't want to install them at the top too?I am looking at using 
shielded pairs with a drain wire,  you agree?   Would I want a fuse block with 
a 2 to 3 amp fuse in case of shorts.  I am pretty sure I want to run a superior 
essex cable that has 4 pairs in one jacket, each pair shielded with a drain 
wire, than all pairs shielded again with a drain wire.

I know this is a lot of questions, but you never seem to let me down.
Thanks, Craig.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] Directv Now

[Craig Schmaderer]

Streaming only, just like slingtv

AT believes it can offer something more attractive. The company plans to 
initially go after the 20 million households with no pay TV subscription, 
Stephenson said.


When asked if DirecTV Now could threaten its DirecTV satellite business, 
Stephenson (CEO) acknowledged some risk. But "that's a good sign," he said.

"If you don't see them threatening your legacy products, 99 percent of the time 
they don't go anywhere," he said. "It means you found something the market 
really wants."


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Directv Now

Too lazy to go to the link.
Is this streaming only or do you have to be a satellite customer?

From: Craig Schmaderer<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 9:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Directv Now

They have been quite for a few months, but here is an update with the new 
service.

https://www.cnet.com/news/at-ts-directv-now-streaming-video-service-will-launch-in-fourth-quarter/

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

[AFMUG] Directv Now

[Craig Schmaderer]

They have been quite for a few months, but here is an update with the new 
service.

https://www.cnet.com/news/at-ts-directv-now-streaming-video-service-will-launch-in-fourth-quarter/

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] OT... My buddy the joker

[Craig Schmaderer]

Gary Johnson!!

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:03 PM -0500, "Lewis Bergman" 
<lewis.berg...@gmail.com<mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well said

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016, 8:42 AM Adam Moffett 
<dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It's Larry vs Moe this time around.

I want to see a political party built around solid personal ethics and well 
reasoned positions supported by solid facts and real science.  The nation needs 
enough conscience to care what happens to ourselves and those around us, and 
enough reason to know when more help won't really help.  We need the strength 
to defend ourselves from conquerors, but we don't need the strength to dominate 
the world.

Basically I want the love child of Jesus and Optimus Prime to run for 
president.  Since they're both male, they can ask Princess Twilight Sparkle to 
donate an egg.


-- Original Message --
From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com<mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 9/21/2016 8:50:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT... My buddy the joker


I expect a great number on both sides will sit this one out.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016, 7:45 AM Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Art of war.   Insightful.These are donation pleas with nothing more than 
put Downs of Obama and Hillary.  No policy ideas, nothing but the same attacks. 
   I don't care what anyone says Trump does not know Lincoln's party is about 
let alone true conservative ideas.  Not even Bush Sr. gonna vote for him.

On Sep 21, 2016 3:42 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
<lewis.berg...@gmail.com<mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Judging from your distaste for anything leaning right I would suggest reading 
Sun Tzu's The Art Of War. You might decide to read those emails.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016, 7:05 PM Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

A GOP lackey friend of mine subscribed me to Donald Frumps mailing list..  I 
blocked it and now getting stuff from gas chamber skittles brat son... Blocked 
him... Who is next?   I think I will get back at my friend

Re: [AFMUG] AT Broadband over power

[Craig Schmaderer]

Sounds like another brilliant idea to waste unlicensed spectrum.
[Image]
Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 7:34 PM -0500, "Jason McKemie" 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:

AT just refuses to learn from history:

http://about.att.com/newsroom/att_to_test_delivering_multi_gigabit_wireless_internet_speeds_using_power_lines.html

Re: [AFMUG] LTE RRH vs truck, radio wins

[Craig Schmaderer]

"Hope that's not a deposit bottle"

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 6:17 PM -0500, "Jay Weekley" 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

I hate it when I do that.

Eric Kuhnke wrote:
> Ouch.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Free Canopy Gear - pay shipping + handling

[Craig Schmaderer]

Come get your Gino's fire sale on!!

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 11:45 AM -0500, "Gino Villarini" 
<ginovi...@gmail.com<mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Need to clean up our warehouse.

Got 100+ 5200 SMs, 10+ APs, 10+ LMG Sectors and omnis


Pay for shipping and a small handling fee for us to cover packaging and they 
all yours!

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[Craig Schmaderer]

Don't worry Chuck.  I'll only tickle your poles when I bore right by them.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 5:14 PM -0500, "ch...@wbmfg.com" 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I get bored sometimes...

From: CBB - Jay Fuller<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 3:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city


I am so loving these conversations... so happy to be stirring the pot

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
Date: Fri, Sep 16, 2016 3:26 PM


Why should you even get access to my ducts or my poles in the first place?

I paid to have them put in for my use.  I realize it is somewhat the "law of 
the commons" but even then, those who file for a mining claim get the spoils of 
the mine.  This is just a different kind of mine.

You still pay an attachment fee because you forced the upgrade of my pole. It 
wasn't overloaded before you came along.  I don't even want you on it in the 
first place, but the law says I have to.  Your cable makes it non compliant 
with FERC.  Not my fault.  You wanna attach, give me a new pole and pay for the 
installation.

You should be grateful there is a pole there you can use in the first place.
Why not break out your horizontal directional drill and stay the hell off my 
poles.

(Chuck McCown is playing the part of the pissed off, privately owned, 
electrical utility in today's episode.  Chuck McCown is not actually a pole 
owner but he plays one on TV).

-Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

> From: "Chuck McCown"
>
> The FCC regulates pole contacts.
 It sure would be nice if they would enforce timely access too.

> How are existing competitors denying anyone access to anything?
 By dragging out make ready work for months on end.
 Duct owners can also under certain circumstances deny access to duct space.

> Why should the
> power company be forced to replace a pole at their expense if you want to
> attach your cable to it?
 I don't recall advocation for that.

 That being said, if I paid for the new pole, why am I still paying pole 
attachment fees for that pole and why aren't the other users paying *me* the 
pole attachment fees?

 Jared

[AFMUG] DC tower cable bundle

[Craig Schmaderer]

Looking for advice on what my options are for running 16 DC conductors around 
16 awg to power LTE and/or medusa radios on a tower.  Hybrid fiber option would 
be ok too.  I know I have seen Verizon on some of our towers use the hybrid 
cables.  Thanks, Craig.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] Something new

[Craig Schmaderer]

Chinese? Come on chuck keep the business local. Try mexico!

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 1:56 PM -0500, "Chuck McCown" 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Trying hard to keep the cost down.  The magnets themselves are spendy.  Trying 
to find a chinese source I can trust.

From: Brian Sullivan<mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 9:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Something new

+1  If the price is right, I have a couple places for these.
Would like to see mounting configurations.

On 8/22/2016 9:20 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Very cool. I have looked into mag mounts before but they get expensive fast.



-Ty

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 9:04 PM, David Milholen 
<dmilho...@wletc.com<mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:

We have used something similar for 12yrs on top of a water tank that supports 
our pipe mounts

that hold a MTOW-3P with one 450AP center and 2 outer fsk900 integrated panels. 
The center had a 900fsk but

we removed it to insert the new 450iAP 900 panel. There are 4 of those pipe 
mounts on that tank and the other

2 mounts hold a MTOW-3P with 2 pmp450 3.65 AP panels

One of our climbers actually tested the pipes to see if they were still holding 
strong so he supported himself from the mount while staying tied

off to the center mast on the tank.

We also made a single pole mast with 2 of the smaller magnets that would mount 
to red iron or most flat metal surface.

We used it for holding the motorola WLAN CAN which weighed about 65lbs after 
being mounted and our tech was able to stand on top of the mount

without it moving.

Those crazy Magnets LOL



On 8/19/2016 6:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
https://youtu.be/s32uO9zQgEI
Sorry about the lousy audio.??(1/2) This shows testing of a prototype mag mount 
accessory to our tower mounts.
I think I can improve on this but it starts to cut loose at about 100-120 lbs 
of force.??(1/2) So I would not rate it over 50 lbs.
If there were 4 of these on one of our P mounts you could probably safely mount 
a 100-200 lb antenna on it.??(1/2)

--
[X]

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber....your worst nightmare?

[Craig Schmaderer]

The most interesting part to this entire story is the $6000 repair bill.   The 
drilling company is 100% on the hook for this and an easy court filing will 
take care of the bill, but my guys could have fixed that for about $5 worth of 
pipe and maybe $100 worth of concrete.  Add some labor and machinery fees, 
easily done for under $1000.  I would think a hired plumber would be able to 
fix that for at least under $2000?  What did they do, rerun the entire sewer?  
Why would they need to do that?   I bet we fix at least 2 to 4 sewers a year 
like this.  Just depends on your luck and hopefully you find out from the home 
owner earlier.  What sucks is normally we hit the clay sewers, they can be a 
bit trickier to fix.  

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Trey Scarborough
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 2:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiberyour worst nightmare?

I think we all agree for the most part that this is more than likely the 
responsibility of the Contractor that did the work for AT The problem I see 
with this is that AT usually uses contractors and chooses there contractors 
carefully so that they will not have any liability in these cases. They so the 
same thing for tower companies They will hire a questionable contractors 
knowing that they will more than likely due crap work, but they are cheap. That 
contractor has an LLC set up just to do the work for AT lets all the 
complaints pile up and then closes the door to the company starts a new one and 
gets a new contract with AT 
That is the problem I see with this. In situations like this I think there is 
some responsibility on the providers part or whomever owns the new utility in 
place to make certain there contractor has insurance and must make sure it is 
up to date and on file for reporting claims.

On 7/20/2016 8:18 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> This is really an interesting liability question
>
> The liability is pretty much as you described in Montana as well.
> Call in a locate.  Wait 2 days.   If you dig and hit something, and it
> was marked, it's your fault.  If it wasn't marked, it's the fault of 
> the owner of the facility.
>
> The case here sounds like a situation where the line probably wasn't 
> marked, but the line also probably wasn't under the authority of 
> anyone who was required to be in the 1-call system.  The question 
> being:  If you're a homeowner, and you weren't notified to mark your 
> lines, and they hit a line the homeowner owns, who is responsible to fix it?
>
> I agree that the correct answer is the contractor who hit the line.
> However, I can definitely see the contractor's viewpoint - if it 
> wasn't marked then it's hard for them to avoid it.
>
> -forrest
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Josh Reynolds  > wrote:
>
> I don't think you understand how this works.
>
> AT hires a contractor to install copper/fiber. Contractor needs to
> do work somewhere, so they hire the regional locate company to come in
> and locate existing utilities. Locate company marks the utilities. If
> the contractor hits an unmarked utility, the liability is on the
> locate company. If the contractor hits a marked utility, the liability
> is on the contractor.
>
> If a homeowner does work in the yard and hits a utility without having
> them located, the liability is on the homeowner.
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 3:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> > wrote:
> > I dont like intervention from the gubment
> >
> > But these situations are not uncommon, There should be consumer
> recourse to
> > get made whole in a timely fashion, even if that means
> accountability to the
> > entity hiring the contractor, as they are there as a
> representative of that
> > company, at the same time there should be a simplified mechanism
> for the
> > primary company to recoup the costs associated directly from the
> contracting
> > company, but the consumer protection and recourse should be a
> priority. It
> > shouldnt be a hoop jumping fest for the consumer either. Even if
> it means
> > something as simple as if you have easement access, youre bound to
> a 14 day
> > compensation window to compensate the consumer, at which point its
> up to the
> > company to recoup those costs either through a suit against the
> contractor,
> > or in a suit against the consumer. It shouldnt be the other way
> around where
> > all burdens fall on the consumer
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:
> >>
> >> And they should.
> >>
> >> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday,
> July 20,
> >> 2016 

[AFMUG] max mtu size ptp800 and ptp450i

[Craig Schmaderer]

Ok guys, I'm working on a layer 2 circuit for a vendor and we are putting up a 
temporary link until we get fiber to the said location.  We use mtu jumbo 9000 
on all the gig fiber links, but they are telling me that they need mtu of 2000 
on temporary wireless link.  I believe that even with the newer beta firmware I 
can only get mtu 1700 on the ptp450i right?  Does anyone have any info on this, 
I think they are just being safe and saying they need mtu 2000 right?  I don't 
deal with this stuff like some of you guys do.  Any input would be great.  
Thanks, Craig.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] CDN overload

[Craig Schmaderer]

I had a huge increase in complaints last tuesday and wednesday.  We saw the 
same thing.  I wanted to dig a hole in the sand.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 8:27 PM -0500, "George Skorup" 
<geo...@cbcast.com<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

Sure.

On 7/19/2016 8:07 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Can any of you seeing this problem grab some packet captures the next time you 
see it? It's worth actually digging into.



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From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com><mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 7:37:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CDN overload

I saw it to various customers for 2 days starting mid day last Tuesday.  It has 
not come back.  Even today, which is Tuesday again.  I wonder if it had 
something to do with the expiration of the free Windows 10 upgrades on July 29. 
 And then the “Anniversary Update” rolls out starting Aug. 2.

I had one tower fed via a licensed link but with only a Fast Ethernet port on 
the router at one end.  Not usually a problem since peak bandwidth at that 
tower never approaches 100M.  But with 100-150M of traffic for one customer, 
the link was being saturated for 5-10 minute intervals.  So clearly they were 
not following TCP congestion management.  I quickly added another GigE EHWIC 
module to the Cisco router so it wouldn’t happen again, but something really 
nasty was going on.


From: George Skorup<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 7:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CDN overload

Noop. As I said, Microsuck at one point was sending to a 1.5Mbps customer at 
nearly 25Mbps. Confirmed single machine. I believe it was all the same source 
address, but like 20 separate streams.

Happened to a guy on Saturday as well. Yet another 1.5Mbps 900MHz customer. 
Single PC directly to the radio. I was torching him and saw about 12Mbps coming 
from MS's 13.x. Then it would settle for a while and pick right back up again 
from LLNW at 6-8Mbps.

That guy opened a ticket and said he was getting less than 100kbps download 
speed and no web pages would load. He responded about an hour later and said 
everything was normal.

And yet another customer on Wednesday on PMP450 at 12Mbps tier was being sent 
over 30Mbps.

On 7/19/2016 2:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Were all CDNs sending way more than the pipe size or only LimeLight?

Someone at Akamai sent out this message last week regarding a general increase 
in usage:


=
There were two major software updates that spanned Tuesday and
Wednesday which are responsible for the increase you saw.
=



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From: "George Skorup" mailto:geo...@cbcast.com
To: af@afmu

Re: [AFMUG] GPRO

[Craig Schmaderer]

Thats my point is for 85% of the users nothing beats the ease of use and 
elegance of apple products. For people like us it doesn't matter as much.  But 
i would give my left nut to never have to "fix" a windows machine again because 
billy was looking a mt rushmore.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.

_
From: Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPRO
To: <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>



Likewise. I even run with my pants down; no firewall, no spyware detection. 
Most of those problems can be traced to naive users.

bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 7/15/2016 8:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
It has been years since I had a windows computer infected.  I am not doing 
anything special, just running with whatever windows provides.  I do have 
adblocker in chrome.

From: Chris Wright<mailto:ch...@velociter.net>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 9:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPRO

I'm pretty sure computers  don't get spyware from the kitchen. I could tell you 
what they do typically get spyware from, and that those sort activities aren't 
*normally* done in one's kitchen.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 5:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPRO

I have a 2009 macbook pro that has sat in my kitchen everyday for 7 years, use 
it everyday and never once did I need to remove whats it called "spyware".  
That says a lot.
Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.



On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 6:01 AM -0500, "Gino Villarini" 
<ginovi...@gmail.com<mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Travis, thanks for the tip! making ove 33%

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Seth Mattinen 
<se...@rollernet.us<mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:
On 7/14/16 17:05, Paul Stewart wrote:
I'm a heavy Mac user and I don't use their stuff because it's trendy - I use it 
because I like the ecosystem and find their gear solid.  The OS itself is much 
better specific to my needs as well


I still have almost all my old Macs. A PowerBook 540c, Quadra 610, 605, and 
even a PowerComputing tower. But I regret that my Ti PowerBook is not among the 
collection.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] GPRO

[Craig Schmaderer]

I have a 2009 macbook pro that has sat in my kitchen everyday for 7 years, use 
it everyday and never once did I need to remove whats it called "spyware".  
That says a lot.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 6:01 AM -0500, "Gino Villarini" 
<ginovi...@gmail.com<mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Travis, thanks for the tip! making ove 33%

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Seth Mattinen 
<se...@rollernet.us<mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:
On 7/14/16 17:05, Paul Stewart wrote:
I'm a heavy Mac user and I don't use their stuff because it's trendy - I use it 
because I like the ecosystem and find their gear solid.  The OS itself is much 
better specific to my needs as well


I still have almost all my old Macs. A PowerBook 540c, Quadra 610, 605, and 
even a PowerComputing tower. But I regret that my Ti PowerBook is not among the 
collection.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] CDN overload

[Craig Schmaderer]

Same here, it didn’t take me very long to assume it was windows 10 updates, so 
the question is, is this going to be the norm?  every update Tuesday going to 
f**k the network up?  Does anyone have some good info or idea on what is going 
to happen?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CDN overload

Wowzers.  I guess I feel better knowing it’s not just me, this really had my 
head spinning, trying to figure out who was attacking me.

But yeah, they changed something this week.  It used to be pretty common to see 
4 parallel sessions, 93 is just crazy, hard to interpret it any other way than 
not playing nice and pushing all other traffic aside.

But we all know ISPs are evil and Silicon Valley can do no wrong, so it must be 
our fault somehow.


From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 10:10 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CDN overload

Just had another one call in... 93 active http sessions to 13.107.4.50, 
Microsoft obviously changed something with how they're doing update... I 
haven't ever seeing so many complaints generated from an update before.

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Nate Burke 
> wrote:
I just ran into this yesterday, took down an FSK AP that was running at 10mb 
Ethernet.  A customer with 2 computers, MS Updates running in the background.  
Had about 50 http sessions open to 13.x.x.x addresses.

On 7/14/2016 7:50 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Seems like they (MS) should look into promoting a multicast network for 
distributing updates.

Or simply limit automatic background updates to 256k (per destination).  If the 
user clicked the update button, sure get it to run as fast as possible, but if 
it's in the background and they don't even know it's happening then it ought to 
not matter how long the download takes.

...of course MS is not likely to care about my opinion on the matter.


-- Original Message --
From: "George Skorup" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 7/14/2016 2:33:21 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CDN overload

I forgot about this. Yes. A little later in the day, I started to see a lot of 
13.n.n.n sources. Microsoft. Yeah, update Tuesday. Then the same customer would 
start receiving from LLNW. Then Akamai. And back to MS again. So it looks like 
they're *still* distributing updates across various CDNs. And believe me, it's 
not like they were all hitting this customer at once. One single CDN would try 
to send at 5-10X the customer's downlink MIR. Sometimes more. At one point I 
saw over 20Mbps for 5-10 minutes. I saw pretty much the same thing with about 
15 other customers that I looked at. And they were spread across 5-6 towers. 
Some directly licensed fed, others farther towards the edge.

DDoS. CDN. Same thing. Or gorilla tactics at the very least. If the customer 
calls and says "none of my other shit works, your internet sucks" what are we 
supposed to do? Oh OK, here, we'll turn you up to 12Mbps and see what that 
does. Yeah screw that because now the CDN is sending at 40Mbps! They need to 
stop fucking with TCP already! And no, it doesn't matter where I put the 
policing/shaping. They still eat up bandwidth on our upstreams. Like you said 
before Ken, yeah, it just moves the problem somewhere else.
On 7/13/2016 11:39 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
George, did you identify the application or content provider, or only the CDN?

I think I started getting hit with the same thing early yesterday afternoon.  
At first I thought I was getting DDOS attacks.


From: George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 6:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CDN overload

Yup. LLNW.
On 7/12/2016 5:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I assume you torched the traffic and verified it is all coming from a 
particular CDN, not a random bunch of IPs as would be the case with BT.  Since 
this isn’t your first rodeo.

From: George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 5:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CDN overload

Because they dick with TCP.
On 7/12/2016 5:23 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
And why is it the fault of the CDN?  It could be a customer with a 100-peer 
bittorrent session downloading 30GB of Ubuntu DVD ISOs.

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 3:13 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
I have had it with these CDNs sending more traffic than the last mile can 
handle. Got a customer at 1.5Mbps on 900 FSK and they're sending to her at 
15Mbps. Of course the AP reports RF downlink overloaded.

Re: [AFMUG] VPN Appliance

[Craig Schmaderer]

Chuck I'm not sure what exactly you want be pfsense is my favorite firewall. 
Very very stable.  I have it on vms dell hardware or applience hardware rock 
solid for years.  If you want something more name brand but expensive i still 
use cisco asas all the time but price for performance can be a lot.  My friend 
is an engineer for F5 and they might have a solution that would work great but 
might get pricey.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 1:13 PM -0500, "Chuck McCown" 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I need a box.  TV headend VLAN stream goes in.  1000 Mbps.

Box encapsulates it and launches it on the public internet.
At the far end,  another box reverses the situation.

Years ago I used Cisco PIX for this type of thing.
Looking over pre-baked solutions I see lots of specs about number of  users, or 
tunnels or sessions.

I care about one single VLAN type of  pipe, being wrapped up and unwrapped.  
Only.

But performance has to be flawless.  Robust.  Plenty of CPU & Memory overhead.

Recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

[Craig Schmaderer]

I would never use them.  Ever.  I have a upstream issue with them on my 
Centurlylink circuit. Those 2 idiots have been arguing on that peer agreement 
for 6 months now.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 6:29 PM -0500, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

our upstream dumped them

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Expect that significant chunks of the internet might be unreachable for large 
periods of time due to Cogent's occasional peering disputes with other large 
tier-1/2 ISPs.



On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 3:52 PM, Jason McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:
Does anyone have experience with Cogent as a primary upstream? Good, bad, ugly? 
I assume the service location makes some difference as well.

-Jason




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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.6.2 - (was 2.5.5)

[Craig Schmaderer]

Josh I think you hit a nerve….   ☺

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 12:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.6.2 - (was 2.5.5)

Again, for us, it happens when we had ANY DNS server addresses in there (all of 
which DO respond normally)

Hadn’t noticed it on APs , but we stopped after the 2nd tower when the SMs 
acted up

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 11:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.6.2 - (was 2.5.5)

From what Dan posted it said the bug happens when the DNS server doesn't 
respond.  Are you finding something different?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
No, we do our own DNS (always have).   But, even though the DNS is accessible 
and working perfectly, the SM craps out (no local Ethernet data works) when we 
put our DNS numbers in the SM.  Take them out and the SM works fine.  The RF 
interface works fine either way.

I was just stating that Cambiums comment about “and the DNS server does not 
respond to the device” would seem to imply that you have an invalid DNS server. 
 And, I am saying that is not the case.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 6:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.6.2 - (was 2.5.5)


Hmm.  Looks like Paul isn't doing his own DNS server ;)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 30, 2016 6:01 PM, "Mike Hammett" 
> wrote:

Hi,



We have determined the defect.



The problem occurs when there is a valid DNS server on the device and the DNS 
server does not respond to the device.  To avoid the problem until we come out 
with a fix, either make sure the DNS server always responds or make sure no IP 
address is specified for the DNS server either statically or from DHCP.



We are working on a fix now and will post this as soon as it is ready.



If the problem occurs, the device will become accessible, but it will take 
about 15 minutes.



Dan



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From: "Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.6.2  - (was 2.5.5)
This ONLY applies if you add DNS to the device.


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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.6.2 - (was 2.5.5)

Guys,

Just be aware there is a known issue with 2.6.2 that can cause the radio to not 
respond on the Ethernet side.  It’s a known issue on Cambium’s site.  It bit is 
in the butt a couple times this week.  We have found that its best to NOT but 
DNS in AT ALL to be safe, as their description of the problem and “solution” 
doesn’t necessarily match our experience.  We had working DNS values in several 
radios and they wouldn’t respond until we removed them.

Re: [AFMUG] 444-SMT Video

[Craig Schmaderer]

Didn’t you mother teach you to eat your fruits and vegetables?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 444-SMT Video

Yeah, but you gotta use fruit to use it... not a fruit type of guy.

From: Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:21 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 444-SMT Video

imovie

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
https://youtu.be/Y0c9CA0PyZ8

Still working on my quality and editing.  I will probably do some closeups to 
the product.  Windows movie maker leaves a bunch to be desired as far as 
overlaying photos and video onto existing video.  They don’t allow you to 
manipulate separate audio tracks very well.

I have tried a few others, still have not found a free editor I like.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium installation

[Craig Schmaderer]

Kurt I agree with you.  I think epmp and ubnt both have their place and work 
well in a lot of situations but i have come to love 100 and 450 stuff so much i 
just rarely use anything else.  When we install a 450 customer we know what we 
are going to get and we never go back.  Just works great.  Cost more but happy 
customers and less truck rolls makes me sleep easier at night.  Plus i still 
have 70% of my network on pmp100 yet making great money now for 10 years.  Is 
it normal to have 70% of your network with 10 year old ubnt gear (dont remember 
when they came out with their first cpe gear)?  How many times have you 
replaced that equipment? Whats your roi on that?

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 8:04 AM -0500, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm not deploying any 802.11 anything chipset except on really small 
micro-sites. 90% of all towers get 450 rollouts. I'm just using the UBNT in the 
spots i need to do a little extra to get the signal to the customer, like put a 
micro repeater on a neighbors house. Tried doing it with EPMP and hated it. In 
my experience the only thing ePMP has over UBNT is sync and if you have that 
many customers on a tower that you need to sectorize then you can afford the 
450 anyway. Just my 2 cents.

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Have you really thought this through?



-
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:41:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium installation

im going from EPMP to UBNT-M series gear. Can't stand the interface on ePMP.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Do it and you'll appreciate it.  Bunch of us have tried the Mikrotik/Ubnt/etc 
and moved over.  I don't think I know a single user that's gone the other way.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Jason Wilson 
<ja...@remotelylocated.com<mailto:ja...@remotelylocated.com>> wrote:
I am looking to move from Mikrotik to Cambium.  Sell me on it.  I would rather 
hear it from an ISP then a sales guy.

[http://remotelylocated.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/cropped-Remotely-Located-Logo.jpg]
Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com<http://www.remotelylocated.com>

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Lots to do

On Jun 22, 2016 7:27 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I am eclectic...next a PBR and then Tecate... oh yes

On Jun 22, 2016 7:21 PM, "Jason Wilson" 
<ja...@remotelylocated.com<mailto:ja...@remotelylocated.com>> wrote:
Well you have good taste in Beer.  Victoria is getting harder to find here in N 
California.

[http://remotelylocated.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/cropped-Remotely-Located-Logo.jpg]
Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com<http://www.remotelylocated.com>

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Installed a ptp force 200 link nlos and worked well on two towers and sector 
with epmp on remote tower...then two force 180s and two epmp hotspots at border 
patrol detention for guard time clocks and locator watches...in 104 weather..   
more stuff tomorrow .  I must say I was impressed with nlos 
performance..getting 47mbps from 50mbps pipe

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

[Craig Schmaderer]

Now don't get to greedy, we still need no license sms at a good price.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 3:04 PM -0500, "Matt" 
<matt.mailingli...@gmail.com<mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Would nice if the "Limited" version did beam steering at lest on the receive.  
Would not increase sector capacity so much but would help with noise a great 
deal.  Would make it similar to ePMP2000.



On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Super WISP 
<superw...@wavonline.com<mailto:superw...@wavonline.com>> wrote:



Q.


What is the “Limited” version?


A.


The “Limited” model numbers of the 450m will only perform in “Sector Mode.” 
They are limited to this mode of operation. This AP represents a performance 
increase over a standard 450 AP, and can be considered “MU-MIMO Ready.” There 
will be a demo mode that will allow the radio to operate in MU-MIMO mode for a 
limited time. After this demo time period expires, the key must be purchased to 
enable MU-MIMO operation permanently.


Q.


How is this “Limited” version different from the “Lite” AP?


A.


A Lite AP indicates that only 10 subscribers can be connected at any point in 
time. A 450m Limited model restricts the mode of operation to sector mode only 
and does not allow MU-MIMO operation.


Q.


Why would a customer want a “Limited” product?


A.


They may want to reduce capital expense and may not have immediate need for 
higher capacity (but anticipate sector growth over time). By deploying this 
version, they save a future tower climb and AP installation and can simply 
upgrade capacity via a software key.



Mark Chamerlik
Strategic Account Manager-East Coast
[cid:image001.jpg@01D14A33.56536AF0]
630-818-1004 OFFICE
815-822-4490 CELL
ma...@wavonline.com<mailto:ma...@wavonline.com>
www.wavonline.com<http://www.wavonline.com/>

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 1:43 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

So what are the limitations?

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Super WISP 
<superw...@wavonline.com<mailto:superw...@wavonline.com>> wrote:
There is a “Limited” version of the 450M George.  MSRP is $4495.00.

Mark Chamerlik
Strategic Account Manager-East Coast
[cid:image001.jpg@01D14A33.56536AF0]
630-818-1004 OFFICE
815-822-4490 CELL
ma...@wavonline.com<mailto:ma...@wavonline.com>
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For additional assistance: email 
tea...@wavonline.com<mailto:tea...@wavonline.com>

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[Description: fb-logo-100x100.png] 
<http://www.facebook.com/pages/WAV-Inc/290775077620146>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 1:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

I'm sure nobody will like this, but hear me out. The Lite AP thing has been 
good to us. So what about selling the 450m to us at half price with say a 25 SM 
limit and no beam steering and then let us unlock it to full features with a 
license key? The beam steering and MU-MIMO doesn't accomplish much until you 
load up a site anyway.
On 6/22/2016 12:57 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
+1
Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.


On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:54 PM -0500, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dont worry about the price! I'm starting a rumor they are throwing in 50 free 
license keys for un-capping SM's per AP purchased, *ducks* lol. 50 keys x $120 
(10meg SM to un-capped) = $6,000. What a deal hell the AP is free at that point!

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:46 PM, SmarterBroadband 
<li...@smarterbroadband.com<mailto:li...@smarterbroadband.com>> wrote:
$7K

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Chris Wright
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

30 grand to light up one tower. *puke*

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115<tel:209-838-1221%20x115>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:37 A

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

[Craig Schmaderer]

Wow thats great news

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:49 PM -0500, "Mathew Howard" 
<mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Spiffy! That's not too bad of a price over doing a regular 450 AP, considering 
it includes the antenna... easily worth it if you think you're likely to ever 
need MU-MIMO.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Super WISP 
<superw...@wavonline.com<mailto:superw...@wavonline.com>> wrote:



Q.


What is the “Limited” version?


A.


The “Limited” model numbers of the 450m will only perform in “Sector Mode.” 
They are limited to this mode of operation. This AP represents a performance 
increase over a standard 450 AP, and can be considered “MU-MIMO Ready.” There 
will be a demo mode that will allow the radio to operate in MU-MIMO mode for a 
limited time. After this demo time period expires, the key must be purchased to 
enable MU-MIMO operation permanently.


Q.


How is this “Limited” version different from the “Lite” AP?


A.


A Lite AP indicates that only 10 subscribers can be connected at any point in 
time. A 450m Limited model restricts the mode of operation to sector mode only 
and does not allow MU-MIMO operation.


Q.


Why would a customer want a “Limited” product?


A.


They may want to reduce capital expense and may not have immediate need for 
higher capacity (but anticipate sector growth over time). By deploying this 
version, they save a future tower climb and AP installation and can simply 
upgrade capacity via a software key.



Mark Chamerlik
Strategic Account Manager-East Coast
[cid:image001.jpg@01D14A33.56536AF0]
630-818-1004 OFFICE
815-822-4490 CELL
ma...@wavonline.com<mailto:ma...@wavonline.com>
www.wavonline.com<http://www.wavonline.com/>

For additional assistance: email 
tea...@wavonline.com<mailto:tea...@wavonline.com>

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 1:43 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

So what are the limitations?

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Super WISP 
<superw...@wavonline.com<mailto:superw...@wavonline.com>> wrote:
There is a “Limited” version of the 450M George.  MSRP is $4495.00.

Mark Chamerlik
Strategic Account Manager-East Coast
[cid:image001.jpg@01D14A33.56536AF0]
630-818-1004 OFFICE
815-822-4490 CELL
ma...@wavonline.com<mailto:ma...@wavonline.com>
www.wavonline.com<http://www.wavonline.com/>

For additional assistance: email 
tea...@wavonline.com<mailto:tea...@wavonline.com>

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[Description: fb-logo-100x100.png] 
<http://www.facebook.com/pages/WAV-Inc/290775077620146>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 1:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

I'm sure nobody will like this, but hear me out. The Lite AP thing has been 
good to us. So what about selling the 450m to us at half price with say a 25 SM 
limit and no beam steering and then let us unlock it to full features with a 
license key? The beam steering and MU-MIMO doesn't accomplish much until you 
load up a site anyway.
On 6/22/2016 12:57 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
+1
Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.


On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:54 PM -0500, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dont worry about the price! I'm starting a rumor they are throwing in 50 free 
license keys for un-capping SM's per AP purchased, *ducks* lol. 50 keys x $120 
(10meg SM to un-capped) = $6,000. What a deal hell the AP is free at that point!

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:46 PM, SmarterBroadband 
<li...@smarterbroadband.com<mailto:li...@smarterbroadband.com>> wrote:
$7K

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Chris Wright
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

30 grand to light up one tower. *puke*

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115<tel:209-838-1221%20x115>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

$6,995


-
Mike Hammett
Inte

Re: [AFMUG] 450D vs sm with reflector 5ghz

[Craig Schmaderer]

Email me your soucre please.  :).  Seriously.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:11 PM -0500, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I can get used 5ghz 20meg SM's for $179.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
I believe they're cheaper if you get the same speed keys IIRC.  Could be wrong.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Cost is higher, plus if your using 5.4ghz frequencies their is less ERP since 
the integrated antenna is probably going to limit the SM to 1 watt ERP.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
Has anyone made the switch?  Better or worse results?  The same?  Why switch 
price easier install?   We have not made the switch yet.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.

[AFMUG] 450D vs sm with reflector 5ghz

[Craig Schmaderer]

Has anyone made the switch?  Better or worse results?  The same?  Why switch 
price easier install?   We have not made the switch yet.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

[Craig Schmaderer]

+1

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:54 PM -0500, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Dont worry about the price! I'm starting a rumor they are throwing in 50 free 
license keys for un-capping SM's per AP purchased, *ducks* lol. 50 keys x $120 
(10meg SM to un-capped) = $6,000. What a deal hell the AP is free at that point!

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:46 PM, SmarterBroadband 
<li...@smarterbroadband.com<mailto:li...@smarterbroadband.com>> wrote:
$7K

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Chris Wright
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

30 grand to light up one tower. *puke*

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115<tel:209-838-1221%20x115>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

$6,995


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
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From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:35:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m
I thought he said $6k

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
5x the throughput and only 3x the price though


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
7K msrp   Ouch, but dam that thing is sweet

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:33 AM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Photos?

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists<mailto:jeffl...@att.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

No slip up.  That's correct

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com<mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com>

On Jun 22, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
I don't know if he slipped up, but he said ships in September?  Really, they 
were saying 1st quarter next year a few months ago


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

On 6/22/16 08:21, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
Oh boy, it has a sfp?.



Are the SFP gods satisfied?

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

[Craig Schmaderer]

Seth you are correct.  Stick with a 450i in that case.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:28 PM -0500, "Bill Prince" 
<part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


You can't do that kind of spatial diversity in a PTP link.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>



On 6/22/2016 10:11 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Will there be a PTP version of Medusa that can triple the throughput of 
existing PTP650 links on the same channel width? I am wondering why the same 
massive-mimo can't be applied to PTP so a 450mbps PTP650 link running on 45mhz 
channel can then achieve 1.35Gbps on the same 45mhz channel?

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Are these uplink and downlink?

The epmp 2000 is only uplink.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 22, 2016 12:54 PM, "Peter Kranz" 
<pkr...@unwiredltd.com<mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>> wrote:
With the ETI beamformer antenna.. you get ~20db gain since you have the 
electrical capture of all the active antennas going on.. in theory creating a 
high gain very narrow spot beam of 15 degrees or so.. 14 implies something 
else..

Peter Kranz
<http://www.unwiredltd.com/>www.UnwiredLtd.com<http://www.UnwiredLtd.com>
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100<tel:510-868-1614%20x100>
Mobile: 510-207-
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m


They beam-form the power coming in.



bp

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On 6/22/2016 9:40 AM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
Over poe though?  That's pushing a lot of watts over it, I didn't hear them say 
it had a separate power port?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 11:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

48v to 56 or 59v I believe

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>>
 wrote:
Spec sheet says 70watts, how are we going to power this thing, they never said 
the power options did they?

From: Af 
[mailto:<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>]
 On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 11:37 AM

To: <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Yes there is a GigE roadmap that includes 40MHz channels.

Daniel White
Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590<tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>
<mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>dwh...@converge-tech.com<mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>

From: Af [<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:30 AM
To: <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Any plans to offer 40mhz channel on this thing for 800-1000mbps throughput?

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Mike Hammett 
<<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
That does a lot of nothing now.


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From: "Bill Prince" 
<<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
To: <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 11:21:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Take whatever you lik

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

[Craig Schmaderer]

Well for us its providing 60 customers on an access point that have 10mb plans, 
now I can have all of them streaming at once.  I don’t need to send 200mb to 
one sm.  It will be interesting to see what they do with the new sm next year 
though…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Does the $7,000 MSRP including un-capping throughput on 50 existing 
450SM's? Thats may not be too bad of a deal then.

So a 4 sector tower can be 4 Gig throughput using only 80mhz of 5ghz spectrum 
assuming ABAB frequency re-use? Only downfall here is that the existing SM's 
won't see any of this existing speed increase. Are they going to be coming out 
with a SM that can take advantage of the Massive-MiMO?

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Daniel White 
> wrote:
Yes there is a GigE roadmap that includes 40MHz channels.

Daniel White
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
dwh...@converge-tech.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Any plans to offer 40mhz channel on this thing for 800-1000mbps throughput?

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
That does a lot of nothing now.


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From: "Bill Prince" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 11:21:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Take whatever you like from here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO9JfpcaZRA

bp




On 6/22/2016 9:17 AM, Matt wrote:

There is a webinar going on now as we speak introducing the product.

Is there anywhere to download slides or video from the webinar?




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Re: [AFMUG] 450m

[Craig Schmaderer]

I was hoping Chuck would add his input on this?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 11:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m


There's got to be some quirk of calculating the simultaneous output of 7 beams.

bp

<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


On 6/22/2016 9:45 AM, Peter Kranz wrote:
This gain seems low.. If its beamforming via all antennas at the same time, it 
should have higher gain with the combined antennas..

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m


[cid:image001.png@01D1CC7C.41A098F0]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m


I'm curious about the vertical beam width. Are there more than one vertical 
beams?



bp

<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


On 6/22/2016 8:47 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
That is a bit better.

From: Bill Prince<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m


There is one beam forming antenna with 90° coverage (3db roll-off). It can (and 
has been) used in a 120° sector with a 6db roll-off.



bp

<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


On 6/22/2016 8:41 AM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
90 degree, I think it is like 15dbi 7 beam form arrays

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

What kind of decent sector coverage do you get with it?

From: Craig Schmaderer<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Well, it looks like I got to put my order in for 4 of them ☺, tower is 
waiting…..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:38 AM
To: af <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

oh... yeah, I guess I wasn't paying attention.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
$6,995


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From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:35:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m
I thought he said $6k

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
5x the throughput and only 3x the price though


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
7K msrp….   Ouch, but dam that thing is sweet

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:33 AM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Photos?

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists<mailto:jeffl...@att.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

No slip up.  That's correct

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, I

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

[Craig Schmaderer]

The tower I am going to put it on brings in 30 grand a month, doesn’t seem too 
bad of an investment to me?   It has its place, you don’t install it on a tower 
with 50 customers…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

30 grand to light up one tower. *puke*

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

$6,995


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From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:35:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m
I thought he said $6k

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
5x the throughput and only 3x the price though


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
7K msrp….   Ouch, but dam that thing is sweet

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:33 AM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Photos?

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists<mailto:jeffl...@att.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

No slip up.  That's correct

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
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On Jun 22, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
I don't know if he slipped up, but he said ships in September?  Really, they 
were saying 1st quarter next year a few months ago


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

On 6/22/16 08:21, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
Oh boy, it has a sfp�.



Are the SFP gods satisfied?

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

[Craig Schmaderer]

Over poe though?  That’s pushing a lot of watts over it, I didn’t hear them say 
it had a separate power port?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 11:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

48v to 56 or 59v I believe

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
Spec sheet says 70watts, how are we going to power this thing, they never said 
the power options did they?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Daniel White
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 11:37 AM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Yes there is a GigE roadmap that includes 40MHz channels.

Daniel White
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590<tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>
dwh...@converge-tech.com<mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Any plans to offer 40mhz channel on this thing for 800-1000mbps throughput?

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
That does a lot of nothing now.


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From: "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 11:21:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Take whatever you like from here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO9JfpcaZRA

bp

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On 6/22/2016 9:17 AM, Matt wrote:

There is a webinar going on now as we speak introducing the product.

Is there anywhere to download slides or video from the webinar?




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Re: [AFMUG] 450m

[Craig Schmaderer]

Spec sheet says 70watts, how are we going to power this thing, they never said 
the power options did they?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 11:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Yes there is a GigE roadmap that includes 40MHz channels.

Daniel White
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
dwh...@converge-tech.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Any plans to offer 40mhz channel on this thing for 800-1000mbps throughput?

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
That does a lot of nothing now.


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From: "Bill Prince" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 11:21:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Take whatever you like from here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO9JfpcaZRA

bp




On 6/22/2016 9:17 AM, Matt wrote:

There is a webinar going on now as we speak introducing the product.

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Re: [AFMUG] 450m

[Craig Schmaderer]

[cid:image001.png@01D1CC74.40772DC0]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m


I'm curious about the vertical beam width. Are there more than one vertical 
beams?



bp

<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


On 6/22/2016 8:47 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
That is a bit better.

From: Bill Prince<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m


There is one beam forming antenna with 90° coverage (3db roll-off). It can (and 
has been) used in a 120° sector with a 6db roll-off.



bp

<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


On 6/22/2016 8:41 AM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
90 degree, I think it is like 15dbi 7 beam form arrays

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

What kind of decent sector coverage do you get with it?

From: Craig Schmaderer<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Well, it looks like I got to put my order in for 4 of them ☺, tower is 
waiting…..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:38 AM
To: af <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

oh... yeah, I guess I wasn't paying attention.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
$6,995


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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:35:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m
I thought he said $6k

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
5x the throughput and only 3x the price though


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
7K msrp….   Ouch, but dam that thing is sweet

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:33 AM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Photos?

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists<mailto:jeffl...@att.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

No slip up.  That's correct

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com<mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com>

On Jun 22, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
I don't know if he slipped up, but he said ships in September?  Really, they 
were saying 1st quarter next year a few months ago


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

On 6/22/16 08:21, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
Oh boy, it has a sfp�.



Are the SFP gods satisfied?

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

[Craig Schmaderer]

It can talk to a 450sm in each array, so 7 sms in one time slot, now that is 
f**king crazy….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

90 degree, I think it is like 15dbi 7 beam form arrays

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

What kind of decent sector coverage do you get with it?

From: Craig Schmaderer<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Well, it looks like I got to put my order in for 4 of them ☺, tower is 
waiting…..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:38 AM
To: af <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

oh... yeah, I guess I wasn't paying attention.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
$6,995


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
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The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:35:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m
I thought he said $6k

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
5x the throughput and only 3x the price though


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
7K msrp….   Ouch, but dam that thing is sweet

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:33 AM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Photos?

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists<mailto:jeffl...@att.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

No slip up.  That's correct

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com<mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com>

On Jun 22, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
I don't know if he slipped up, but he said ships in September?  Really, they 
were saying 1st quarter next year a few months ago


-----Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

On 6/22/16 08:21, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
Oh boy, it has a sfp�.



Are the SFP gods satisfied?

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

[Craig Schmaderer]

90 degree, I think it is like 15dbi 7 beam form arrays

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

What kind of decent sector coverage do you get with it?

From: Craig Schmaderer<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Well, it looks like I got to put my order in for 4 of them ☺, tower is 
waiting…..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:38 AM
To: af <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

oh... yeah, I guess I wasn't paying attention.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
$6,995


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
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The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:35:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m
I thought he said $6k

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
5x the throughput and only 3x the price though


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
7K msrp….   Ouch, but dam that thing is sweet

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:33 AM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Photos?

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists<mailto:jeffl...@att.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

No slip up.  That's correct

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com<mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com>

On Jun 22, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
I don't know if he slipped up, but he said ships in September?  Really, they 
were saying 1st quarter next year a few months ago


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

On 6/22/16 08:21, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
Oh boy, it has a sfp�.



Are the SFP gods satisfied?

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

[Craig Schmaderer]

Well, it looks like I got to put my order in for 4 of them ☺, tower is 
waiting…..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:38 AM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

oh... yeah, I guess I wasn't paying attention.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
$6,995


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:35:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m
I thought he said $6k

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
5x the throughput and only 3x the price though


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
7K msrp….   Ouch, but dam that thing is sweet

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:33 AM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Photos?

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists<mailto:jeffl...@att.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

No slip up.  That's correct

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com<mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com>

On Jun 22, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
I don't know if he slipped up, but he said ships in September?  Really, they 
were saying 1st quarter next year a few months ago


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

On 6/22/16 08:21, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
Oh boy, it has a sfp�.



Are the SFP gods satisfied?

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

[Craig Schmaderer]

I thought I heard 6,999

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:36 AM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

I thought he said $6k

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
5x the throughput and only 3x the price though


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
7K msrp….   Ouch, but dam that thing is sweet

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:33 AM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Photos?

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists<mailto:jeffl...@att.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

No slip up.  That's correct

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com<mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com>

On Jun 22, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
I don't know if he slipped up, but he said ships in September?  Really, they 
were saying 1st quarter next year a few months ago


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

On 6/22/16 08:21, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
Oh boy, it has a sfp�.



Are the SFP gods satisfied?

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

[Craig Schmaderer]

7K msrp….   Ouch, but dam that thing is sweet

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

Photos?

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists<mailto:jeffl...@att.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

No slip up.  That's correct

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com<mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com>

On Jun 22, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
I don't know if he slipped up, but he said ships in September?  Really, they 
were saying 1st quarter next year a few months ago


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

On 6/22/16 08:21, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
Oh boy, it has a sfp�.



Are the SFP gods satisfied?

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

[Craig Schmaderer]

I don't know if he slipped up, but he said ships in September?  Really, they 
were saying 1st quarter next year a few months ago


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m

On 6/22/16 08:21, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
> Oh boy, it has a sfp�.
>


Are the SFP gods satisfied?

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

[Craig Schmaderer]

Oh boy, it has a sfp

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 450m

Anyone been testing the 450m?

Results?

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa

[Craig Schmaderer]

And the list prevails again!!

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 6:01 PM -0500, "ch...@wbmfg.com" 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Jaime Fink answered me 4 minutes after the posting.

Ain't Merica Great!

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists<mailto:jeffl...@att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 4:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Cc: e...@mimosa.co<mailto:e...@mimosa.co>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa

Elle Wood, I believe.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com<mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com>

On Jun 21, 2016, at 6:53 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I did but impatient...

I want my response now, not 10 minutes from now dammit!

I am a Merican!

From: Sean Heskett<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 4:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa

I'd check with Jamie Fink ja...@mimosa.co<mailto:ja...@mimosa.co>

-Sean

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016, <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Anyone know who is the head of marketing for Mimosa?

Re: [AFMUG] traffic priorities

[Craig Schmaderer]

Your last email, were you trying to explain vm pricing?  So is the vm free you 
just have to pay for subscription?

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 5:06 PM -0500, "Simon Westlake" 
<simon@sonar.software<mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:

Which part?

On 6/21/2016 4:51 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
Is it just me or did Simon confuse anyone else? :)

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 4:33 PM -0500, "Paul Stewart" 
<p...@paulstewart.org<mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:

Yup definitely .. :)
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: June 21, 2016 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] traffic priorities
�
I've never used a Procera, but based on my understanding of what it does, 
virtualization performance would also depend greatly on what type of 
virtualization. Something like xen PV would be considerably faster than xen HVM:

http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Understanding_the_Virtualization_Spectrum
Look into PCI passthrough for a set of 10GbE Intel NICs:

http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_PCI_Passthrough


�
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Paul Stewart 
<p...@paulstewart.org<mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:
Yes � still hardware sitting in a VM server or cluster etc �
�
I would suggest talking to them about what traffic you are looking at doing and 
compare that to recommended VM configuration � things keep advancing with 
vendors shifting customers from appliances to virtualized but for some vendors 
it�s been a bumpy ride � can�t comment specifically on Procera as never 
used their VM solution due to scaling concerns right out of the gates.
�
Also (and don�t� know this with Procera), for some vendors you lose 
features when moving to VM setup �. Juniper is a prime example of this, where 
some features last I looked were not moved over �.� Of course over time 
this will change hence my point �.
�
From: Af 
[mailto:<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>]
 On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: June 21, 2016 3:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] traffic priorities
�
How does the VM work? Is there still hardware that sits on the network?

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016, Simon Westlake 
<<mailto:simon@sonar.software>simon@sonar.software<mailto:simon@sonar.software>>
 wrote:
I haven't priced one yet, but I can get a quote if you're interested, just hit 
me off list.
On 6/21/2016 2:02 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
Any ideas on how cheap you can get in on the vm. �Thats a nice way to go for 
most people i would assume.�
Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.
�
�
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:47 PM -0500, "Simon Westlake" 
<<mailto:simon@sonar.software>simon@sonar.software<mailto:simon@sonar.software>>
 wrote:
They do have a virtualized appliance now, but if you want the hardware 
appliance, you still have to buy it. My understanding of why they stop selling 
the software is that it still has to be validated to function on older devices 
- some of become unusable because of lack of memory as signatures expanded. 
Some of it is lack of desire to continue to support hardware that they 
themselves can't source anymore as well, I'm sure - it's all just x86 stuff.

I don't remember the whole history of the company, they were a different 
company name previously and acquired a Swedish corporation, in the restructure, 
they became Procera.
On 6/21/2016 12:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
If their product is the subscription service, they don't hesitate selling the 
subscription service. $2,500/year is better than $0/year.

Okay, so then don't cover the hardware anymore, software only. They should sell 
software-only to anyone at any time.

Procera has been around for 10 years? Hrm. I'da guessed four or five.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP



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From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 12:29:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] traffic priorities

Well, one of the things to bear in mind with Procera is that you are 
essentially buying the subscription service. Even though the box isn't cheap, 
the value of the product is really the subscription. One of the things that the 
support/subscription covers is next day air replacement on the hardware. So 
now, you bought some old beat up box off Ebay, and you want to put it under a 
support contract, and things get messy when the hardware fails.

So, I understand their reluctance - but they will do it. I'm mos

Re: [AFMUG] traffic priorities

[Craig Schmaderer]

Is it just me or did Simon confuse anyone else? :)

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 4:33 PM -0500, "Paul Stewart" 
<p...@paulstewart.org<mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:

Yup definitely .. :)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: June 21, 2016 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] traffic priorities

I've never used a Procera, but based on my understanding of what it does, 
virtualization performance would also depend greatly on what type of 
virtualization. Something like xen PV would be considerably faster than xen HVM:

http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Understanding_the_Virtualization_Spectrum
Look into PCI passthrough for a set of 10GbE Intel NICs:

http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_PCI_Passthrough



On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Paul Stewart 
<p...@paulstewart.org<mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:
Yes … still hardware sitting in a VM server or cluster etc …

I would suggest talking to them about what traffic you are looking at doing and 
compare that to recommended VM configuration … things keep advancing with 
vendors shifting customers from appliances to virtualized but for some vendors 
it’s been a bumpy ride – can’t comment specifically on Procera as never used 
their VM solution due to scaling concerns right out of the gates.

Also (and don’t’ know this with Procera), for some vendors you lose features 
when moving to VM setup …. Juniper is a prime example of this, where some 
features last I looked were not moved over ….  Of course over time this will 
change hence my point ….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Jason McKemie
Sent: June 21, 2016 3:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] traffic priorities

How does the VM work? Is there still hardware that sits on the network?

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016, Simon Westlake 
<simon@sonar.software<mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:
I haven't priced one yet, but I can get a quote if you're interested, just hit 
me off list.
On 6/21/2016 2:02 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
Any ideas on how cheap you can get in on the vm. �Thats a nice way to go for 
most people i would assume.�
Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.


On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:47 PM -0500, "Simon Westlake" 
<simon@sonar.software<mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:
They do have a virtualized appliance now, but if you want the hardware 
appliance, you still have to buy it. My understanding of why they stop selling 
the software is that it still has to be validated to function on older devices 
- some of become unusable because of lack of memory as signatures expanded. 
Some of it is lack of desire to continue to support hardware that they 
themselves can't source anymore as well, I'm sure - it's all just x86 stuff.

I don't remember the whole history of the company, they were a different 
company name previously and acquired a Swedish corporation, in the restructure, 
they became Procera.
On 6/21/2016 12:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
If their product is the subscription service, they don't hesitate selling the 
subscription service. $2,500/year is better than $0/year.

Okay, so then don't cover the hardware anymore, software only. They should sell 
software-only to anyone at any time.

Procera has been around for 10 years? Hrm. I'da guessed four or five.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP



<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>

From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 12:29:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] traffic priorities

Well, one of the things to bear in mind with Procera is that you are 
essentially buying the subscription service. Even though the box isn't cheap, 
the value of the product is really the subscription. One of the things that the 
support/subscription covers is next day air replacement on the hardware. So 
now, you bought some old beat up box off Ebay, and you want to put it under a 
support contract, and things get messy when the hardware fails.

So, I understand their reluctance - but they will do it. I'm mostly just 
advising caution because it's a complex arrangement - you want to make sure the 
box isn't EOL, you need to make sure it works, that you can still get expansion 
cards for it, etc. Sometimes these boxes on eBay look like a good deal, but 
there is a lot of factors to look at before you buy it, it's not a simple 
purchase. That being said, there are some deals to be had, and I've helped 
people navigate it, but I've also had to give people bad news after they 
snapped up some 10 year old, EOL unit for a 'steal'.
On 6/21/2016 12:09 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I don't understand this ment

Re: [AFMUG] anyone having a problem getting a hold of WISPmon

[Craig Schmaderer]

This list never stops amazing me!!

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 3:49 PM -0500, "Josh Reynolds" 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:


3 minute turn around time. That's good stuff!

On Jun 21, 2016 9:54 AM, "Cameron Crum" 
<cc...@wispmon.com<mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:
Rory,

We are here. Where have you been sending email? Please contact me at 
2142070516. Thanks.

Cameron

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
We have been trying to get running with them and now they don't even return 
emails.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

"The winner ain't the one with the fastest car, it's the one who refuses to 
lose." - Dale Earnhardt

Re: [AFMUG] traffic priorities

[Craig Schmaderer]

Any ideas on how cheap you can get in on the vm.  Thats a nice way to go for 
most people i would assume.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:47 PM -0500, "Simon Westlake" 
<simon@sonar.software<mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:

They do have a virtualized appliance now, but if you want the hardware 
appliance, you still have to buy it. My understanding of why they stop selling 
the software is that it still has to be validated to function on older devices 
- some of become unusable because of lack of memory as signatures expanded. 
Some of it is lack of desire to continue to support hardware that they 
themselves can't source anymore as well, I'm sure - it's all just x86 stuff.

I don't remember the whole history of the company, they were a different 
company name previously and acquired a Swedish corporation, in the restructure, 
they became Procera.

On 6/21/2016 12:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
If their product is the subscription service, they don't hesitate selling the 
subscription service. $2,500/year is better than $0/year.

Okay, so then don't cover the hardware anymore, software only. They should sell 
software-only to anyone at any time.

Procera has been around for 10 years? Hrm. I'da guessed four or five.



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From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software><mailto:simon@sonar.software>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 12:29:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] traffic priorities

Well, one of the things to bear in mind with Procera is that you are 
essentially buying the subscription service. Even though the box isn't cheap, 
the value of the product is really the subscription. One of the things that the 
support/subscription covers is next day air replacement on the hardware. So 
now, you bought some old beat up box off Ebay, and you want to put it under a 
support contract, and things get messy when the hardware fails.

So, I understand their reluctance - but they will do it. I'm mostly just 
advising caution because it's a complex arrangement - you want to make sure the 
box isn't EOL, you need to make sure it works, that you can still get expansion 
cards for it, etc. Sometimes these boxes on eBay look like a good deal, but 
there is a lot of factors to look at before you buy it, it's not a simple 
purchase. That being said, there are some deals to be had, and I've helped 
people navigate it, but I've also had to give people bad news after they 
snapped up some 10 year old, EOL unit for a 'steal'.

On 6/21/2016 12:09 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I don't understand this mentality from some companies.  I mean, someone bought 
this new, and may have at least hesitated if they knew that the resale value 
would immediately be zero.

I guess at least they license used units.

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Simon Westlake 
<<mailto:simon@sonar.software>simon@sonar.software<mailto:simon@sonar.software>>
 wrote:
Bear in mind they are not overly enthusiastic about licensing used boxes




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Phone: (702) 447-1247
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Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Craig Schmaderer]

LMAO!  No license keys on the sm. Thats wishful thinking.  :)

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:17 PM -0500, "Daniel White" 
<afmu...@gmail.com<mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Since they will kill me if I say anything before they lift the embargo… I’d 
encourage you to attend:

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/cnMedusa-Go-Massive-Live-Stream/m-p/55360#U55360

Daniel White
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
dwh...@converge-tech.com<mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 4:11 PM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?

It's going to be interesting to see how they price Medusa. If they keep it more 
in line with the PMP450i 900mhz pricing (with no license keys on the SMs), then 
it will be pretty interesting... it could very well beat LTE in every way that 
I care about (for the near future, anyway).

Have they said what bands Medusa is going to be available in yet?

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
5k being high in typical cambium fashion. That is what i hear on nlos.  Ive 
talked to people with 3.65 450 and most of them say they still try to avoid a 
tree.  We are seeing a tree being easy.  Its more like do you think we can make 
it through those 2 blocks of trees.  I always hate getting excited about a 
product when nlos comes into play because you are always let down.  But when 
that trial customer emailed me this morning and told me how well it worked 
through that storm it's kind of hard not to get excited.
Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.



On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:44 PM -0500, "Josh Luthman" 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
You think 5k is low or high?  I'm not getting any NLOS hype from anything 
pmp450.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
Cambium Medusa webinar launch is what I would guess he is talking about, its on 
wednesday.  Rivision 10 LTE as far as I know will include everything Medusa 
will do.  I think next year is when we will start seeing R10 chips hit the 
market and manufactures will start adopting it.  We are 100% cambium right now, 
have been for over 10 years, but I am always looking for something that will 
work along side other options.  Still need to do more testing, but LTE has a 
better link budget, so your 450 with mixed sms running from 1x to 8x should 
perform better over an average on LTE, we just have to do more testing to 
verify that.  We don’t have any 900 or 3.65 450 so im still waiting to hear 
from other trial providers on nlos comparisons.   If that Medusa Access Point 
is 5 grand I’m going to * cambium….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?

Who's they???


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
If he told you now, they couldn't tell you on Wednesday. You're not THAT 
special. :P

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
This Wednesday?  Why?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Daniel White 
<afmu...@gmail.com<mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think it will be a whole new conversation on Wednesday.

Daniel White
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590<tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>
dwh...@converge-tech.com<mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 11:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?

90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years ago on a 
whole lot more solid software/firmware.

So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the Cambium 
450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full speed?

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> w

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Craig Schmaderer]

5k being high in typical cambium fashion. That is what i hear on nlos.  Ive 
talked to people with 3.65 450 and most of them say they still try to avoid a 
tree.  We are seeing a tree being easy.  Its more like do you think we can make 
it through those 2 blocks of trees.  I always hate getting excited about a 
product when nlos comes into play because you are always let down.  But when 
that trial customer emailed me this morning and told me how well it worked 
through that storm it's kind of hard not to get excited.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:44 PM -0500, "Josh Luthman" 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

You think 5k is low or high?  I'm not getting any NLOS hype from anything 
pmp450.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
Cambium Medusa webinar launch is what I would guess he is talking about, its on 
wednesday.  Rivision 10 LTE as far as I know will include everything Medusa 
will do.  I think next year is when we will start seeing R10 chips hit the 
market and manufactures will start adopting it.  We are 100% cambium right now, 
have been for over 10 years, but I am always looking for something that will 
work along side other options.  Still need to do more testing, but LTE has a 
better link budget, so your 450 with mixed sms running from 1x to 8x should 
perform better over an average on LTE, we just have to do more testing to 
verify that.  We don't have any 900 or 3.65 450 so im still waiting to hear 
from other trial providers on nlos comparisons.   If that Medusa Access Point 
is 5 grand I'm going to * cambium

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?

Who's they???


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
If he told you now, they couldn't tell you on Wednesday. You're not THAT 
special. :P

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
This Wednesday?  Why?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Daniel White 
<afmu...@gmail.com<mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think it will be a whole new conversation on Wednesday.

Daniel White
Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590<tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>
dwh...@converge-tech.com<mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 11:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?

90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years ago on a 
whole lot more solid software/firmware.

So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the Cambium 
450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full speed?

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
I have it.  They are letting me talk about it pass my nda.  Hardware so far is 
solid.   Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for comerical 
deployment.  We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is to be expected 
with R9 LTE.   I posted maybe a week ago on one of our links.  5ghz is on the 
road map.  Shoot me your questions.
Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.


On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" 
<cstann...@gmail.com<mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram from 
Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another?

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick ended up in 
a knife fight?

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Ban all Baicells 5 GHz.  Leave it to the cheap gear!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com<ma

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Craig Schmaderer]

Cambium Medusa webinar launch is what I would guess he is talking about, its on 
wednesday.  Rivision 10 LTE as far as I know will include everything Medusa 
will do.  I think next year is when we will start seeing R10 chips hit the 
market and manufactures will start adopting it.  We are 100% cambium right now, 
have been for over 10 years, but I am always looking for something that will 
work along side other options.  Still need to do more testing, but LTE has a 
better link budget, so your 450 with mixed sms running from 1x to 8x should 
perform better over an average on LTE, we just have to do more testing to 
verify that.  We don’t have any 900 or 3.65 450 so im still waiting to hear 
from other trial providers on nlos comparisons.   If that Medusa Access Point 
is 5 grand I’m going to * cambium….

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?

Who's they???


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
If he told you now, they couldn't tell you on Wednesday. You're not THAT 
special. :P

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
This Wednesday?  Why?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Daniel White 
<afmu...@gmail.com<mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think it will be a whole new conversation on Wednesday.

Daniel White
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590<tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>
dwh...@converge-tech.com<mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 11:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?

90mbps in a 20mhz Channel? That's what Cambium 450 could get 2 years ago on a 
whole lot more solid software/firmware.

So whats the advantages of the LTE? Is it going to be cheaper than the Cambium 
450? Is the license keys for SM throughput or can 1 SM do the full speed?

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
I have it.  They are letting me talk about it pass my nda.  Hardware so far is 
solid.   Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for comerical 
deployment.  We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is to be expected 
with R9 LTE.   I posted maybe a week ago on one of our links.  5ghz is on the 
road map.  Shoot me your questions.
Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.


On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" 
<cstann...@gmail.com<mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram from 
Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another?

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick ended up in 
a knife fight?

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Ban all Baicells 5 GHz.  Leave it to the cheap gear!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials going 
on right now?

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care to 
comment on/off list?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373





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Re: [AFMUG] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Craig Schmaderer]

I have it.  They are letting me talk about it pass my nda.  Hardware so far is 
solid.   Software is very beta. Missing many key features needed for comerical 
deployment.  We are seeing about 90mb on 20mhz which is what is to be expected 
with R9 LTE.   I posted maybe a week ago on one of our links.  5ghz is on the 
road map.  Shoot me your questions.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:52 PM -0500, "Colin Stanners" 
<cstann...@gmail.com<mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Like are you thinking against each other, or fighting Matt and Sriram from 
Cambium in one corner and Telrad ex-Mossad snipers in another?

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I havent heard much from them lately, do you think rick and Patrick ended up in 
a knife fight?

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Ban all Baicells 5 GHz.  Leave it to the cheap gear!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Do they have any frequencies out there besides 3.65ghz? Are 5ghz trials going 
on right now?

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care to 
comment on/off list?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373





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If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ptp cambium links

[Craig Schmaderer]

I should say just has cir settings no bandwidth settings like a sm has.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:23 PM -0500, "Craig Schmaderer" 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:

Nope

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:15 PM -0500, "Sean Heskett" 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

under the left hand "configuration" menu is there a "QoS" tab??

you should be able to throttle those products just like you can an SM (i'll 
freely admit i've never used any of those products tho).

-Sean


On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
450 100 230

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:59 PM -0500, "Sean Heskett" 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

To which cambium PTP link are you referring?

-sean




On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
Maybe I'm asking for too much or maybe I'm missing something but why does 
Cambium not allow or have? rate limiting on the slave unit. I would think there 
are a lot of use cases on a ptp link and being able to easily rate limit on the 
slave side or ap doesn't really matter.  I hope I'm just dumb and I missing 
something but who knows.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Ptp cambium links

[Craig Schmaderer]

Nope

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:15 PM -0500, "Sean Heskett" 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

under the left hand "configuration" menu is there a "QoS" tab??

you should be able to throttle those products just like you can an SM (i'll 
freely admit i've never used any of those products tho).

-Sean


On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
450 100 230

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:59 PM -0500, "Sean Heskett" 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

To which cambium PTP link are you referring?

-sean




On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Craig Schmaderer 
<cr...@skywaveconnect.com<mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:
Maybe I'm asking for too much or maybe I'm missing something but why does 
Cambium not allow or have? rate limiting on the slave unit. I would think there 
are a lot of use cases on a ptp link and being able to easily rate limit on the 
slave side or ap doesn't really matter.  I hope I'm just dumb and I missing 
something but who knows.

Craig Schmaderer
Cell 402-380-1245
Skywave Wireless, Inc.