I was under the impression that they are or were working on this as well.

From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 1:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

I might have heard, on this list or on the forums, that Cambium is developing 
an airtime-fairness feature to combat this very issue. Did I dream this or is 
this a confirmed feature? If Cambium is listening, I'd love to help in the beta 
if/when it becomes available.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Sean,

We are about half 5.4 and half 5.8. You need you to understand that in this 
particular case we have about 20+ AP's crammed in a town about 2.5 square miles 
along with two other wireless internet providers. The frequency coordination 
and high noise floor is the primary reason for 1x and 2x connections. On top of 
that we have around 3k subscribers and 30 roaming combination techs installing 
CPE all across western Kansas. You may have complete oversight of where and 
when you install customers... I simply do not have that luxury. I preach the 
importance of quality installs constantly, but between their supervisors, 
marketing teams and pressure from customers, they install what they feel 
comfortable. The install tech has full discretion, for better or for worse. In 
the face of all this, 2x subs sometimes get installed. I understand fully that 
we made our own bed here. It is what it is. This is why I say "in a perfect 
world".

As I said before, we truck-rolled our entire customer base for those who have 
poor/marginal signals. We made significant improvements but only gained very 
little in capacity for our efforts. In hindsight, it cost us more than we 
gained. Hence the reason I ask if 450i has any significant improvements over 
vanilla 450.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Sean Heskett 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
eric are any of your APs using the 5.4 band?

you could put up some additional APs in the 5.4 band and migrate the close-in 
clients to them to provide more capacity.

-sean


On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Eric Muehleisen 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
In a perfect world.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
You shouldn't be putting any clients on a 450AP with less than 4x connections, 
when they start pulling a lot of traffic they significantly choke the AP. 
Whoever engineered those links needs slapped. I know it probably  looked like a 
good idea at the time to add a new customer but a couple low signal clients 
really affect total AP capacity. You could probably pull all the 1x and 2x 
clients and replace them with 10 times more customers running at 8x mnodulatio 
n and maintain the same utilization rates on that AP.

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Craig Schmaderer 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Remember that even a couple of sms runing at 2x or 4x will kill your peak 
performance if they are the ones that are usually streaming.  We are very 
careful on what aps we put low signals on and we control what plans we offer as 
well based on signal strength. I just can not have a 2x customer want a 10mb 
plan.  I do think that a 450i will definitely help with uplink interference 
like others have said. But i think your best bet is to drop the cash and put 
some 450m up on that tower.  Sounds like that is a cash cow tower like my main 
tower is.

________________________________
From: Af <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Jon 
Langeler <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 4:18:22 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

Put a Mikrotik behind an SM and speed test to the internet

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jan 19, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Brian Sullivan 
> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> I would check out page 9-51 in the PMP 450x Configuration and User Guide 
> 15.0.2
>
>> On 1/19/2017 11:37 AM, Tushar Patel wrote:
>> So how can we tell when we are really saturating the connection?
>





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