Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.

[Dan Petermann]

That reminds me of the old TV show, Connections. 

I loved that show and it ended way too soon. I wonder it its kicking around on 
the net somewhere……….

On Apr 28, 2017, at 11:04 AM,   wrote:

> One could argue that a management shooting employees that wanted to organize 
> or strike has resulted in our current internet...
> This is the logic:
> 
> Andrew Carnegie hired Pilkington guards to control or suppress a labor 
> uprising.  Can't remember if it was a strike or organizing activities.  One 
> of the Pilkington guys shot and killed one of Carnegies employees.
> 
> He was wracked with guilt for the rest of his life and attempted to atone for 
> the act by building many free libraries across the nation.  those libraries 
> undoubtedly were critical in the launching of careers of many in science and 
> industry.  Probably some NASA guys in there.
> 
> So, shoot an employee and get men on the moon, which led to the internet.
> 
> Simple.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:50 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installer hire / training process.
> 
> Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely...   It goes both
> ways and always will..But rarely have union employees had crews
> shoot management..   Back in the 1910-1920 era, that was _not_ true the
> other way around...Now there were cases of unions shooting their OWN
> people to get non-unionized groups to unionize...
> 
> On 04/28/2017 09:13 AM, Larry Smith wrote:
>> When unions were a "shield" for the workers to protect and
>> garner better conditions they were reasonable; once they
>> turned into the "club" to beat management and companies
>> into doing their will they became despickable (IMO).
> 

[AFMUG] OT: I QUIT!

[Dan Petermann]

The time has come for me to move on. I feel like I’m leaving home, sad but 
excited for new opportunities.

I’ve been on this list mostly lurking since the the Part-15 days, hence the 
title. 

I can’t say enough about you guys, except that one guy, Steve. You sir are in a 
class all by your self. I mean that in the best way possible. I’d love to buy 
you all the adult beverage of your choice, so Salud!

I will be forever in debt to the people on this list who so generously gave 
advice freely. Tomorrow will be my last day associated with Wyoming.com and 
Cerento.

Thank you all for the past, what? 10 years? Maybe more? I may get bored and 
return to lurk.

Sincerely,

Dan Petermann
Sr. RF Engineer
Cerento & Wyoming.com
(until tomorrow at 5pm Mtn, the I’m FREE)

Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage certification

[Dan Petermann]

The best advice I can give you is to know where in the book the information is. 
Its an open book test and if you are a fast reader, knowing how the book is put 
together is the key.



On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> How hard is it to pass the LV certification test?  I am thinking about 
> getting for myself, but my time is so limited. (everyone can relate).
>  
> Like is there a “cliff note” version, a weekend bootcamp, or other “quick” 
> path for this?  I have a decent electronics background, and know that 
> sticking my tongue in a 110vac outlet is not ideal 
>  
> Paul
>  
> Paul McCall, President
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800 
> pa...@pdmnet.net
> www.pdmnet.com
> www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Link Planner Question

[Dan Petermann]

When its easier to give your installers magnetic than to make them use true. 



On Apr 20, 2017, at 2:08 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> True.
> 
> The only time really to use magnetic is for navigation.  (I'm sure there are 
> other reasons too)
> 
> -Sean
> 
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 12:04 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
> When setting up an AP in link planner is;
> 
>  
> 
> Antenna Azimuth: Set the bearing of peak of beam of Access Point antenna.
> 
>  
> 
> True or magnetic?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 

[AFMUG] ePMP v3.3

[Dan Petermann]

Did they get the DFS figured out yet?

It seems to me there was a problem using the DFS bands, but I can’t seem to 
find what it was.

Re: [AFMUG] Non pilot drone license for commercial use?

[Dan Petermann]

I got mine about a month ago.

They recommend studying about 5-6 weeks before taking the test. I did it in 
considerably less time but I am good at taking tests so your mileage may vary. 

Go here, sign up and download everything: https://jrupprechtlaw.com 
There are a few other websites that I can’t remember right now but the one 
above is the best. 

Study the airspace classifications, map symbols, and especially the 
aeronautical charts. The majority of my test was about these 3 subjects. 

Safety hazards and attitudes, know these. 

Test is 60 questions with 2 hours to answer. 


On Apr 9, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Any non-pilots here that have gotten their license to use their drone for 
> commercial purposes?
>  
> Interested in your experience, your studying and the test, etc.
>  
> Paul
>  
> Paul McCall, President
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800 
> pa...@pdmnet.net
> www.pdmnet.com
> www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT I won a point ... maybe

[Dan Petermann]

Well you didn’t get accused of being a misogynist, rapist and a member of the 
patriarchy. so, winning!


 
On Apr 5, 2017, at 9:53 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Today there is a minor protest of sorts about women getting unwanted 
> attention.  One of the young ladies in the crowd started a dialog with me.  I 
> trolled and baited her a bit.  It devolved a bit to the point where she said 
> even if she chose to wear no clothes at all, she has the right to be 
> unmolsted and not receive any attention from anyone.  “People are not 
> animals, they can choose to control their behaviors” she said.  She happens 
> to be a computer science undergrad at the University of Utah. 
>  
> I told her I disagree.  I told her that we are a meat robot.  Our operating 
> system, which I call “natural man” just wants to eat, sleep, screw and 
> sometimes attack those that get too close to his mating partners. 
>  
> The human element is the app.  I run Chuck 1.0 
> Apps are a form of AI that can reprogram itself.  But some apps let the OS 
> take over too much of the time. 
>  
> And a naked women or one dressed and looking in a particular way always 
> triggers a non-maskable interruupt by the OS and that always attempts to run 
> the “screw the girl” routine in BIOS. 
>  
> She looked puzzled for a moment, cocked her head at an angle, narrowed her 
> brow and told me that I might be on to something.  Then walked away. 
>  
> I think that was a win?

Re: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE-POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR

[Dan Petermann]

 This works flawlessly, just put it in. 

Thanks again for the help


On Mar 2, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Dan Petermann <danpeterm...@me.com> wrote:

> Thank you for the info!
> 
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 12:22 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> 
>> OK, so if you put + on the left pin and – on the right pin, then jumpers for 
>> 1/2 and 4/5 need to be on the left and center pins and the jumpers for 3/6 
>> and 7/8 need to be center and right pins. 
>>  
>> From: Dan Petermann
>> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 11:53 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT 
>> POE-POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR
>>  
>> Sorry, here is the pinouts with polarity
>>  
>> Pin 1 +
>> Pin 2 +
>> Pin 3 -
>> Pin 4 +
>> Pin 5 +
>> Pin 6 -
>> Pin 7 -
>> Pin 8 -
>>  
>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On all 8 pins?  If so, then you slide all the jumpers one way and only hook 
>>> up +48 to the POE inserter.  Is the –48 via chassis ground?
>>>  
>>> From: Dan Petermann
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 11:30 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE 
>>> -POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR
>>>  
>>> Excellent! The polarity is +48vdc.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I would say yes, but that document does not indicate the DC power polarity 
>>>> of the pairs.  So yes, provided the jumpers on the POE are set right. 
>>>>  
>>>> Can anyone in Exalt tech support give you the polarity info?
>>>>  
>>>> From: Dan Petermann
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 10:55 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE - 
>>>> POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR
>>>>  
>>>> Chuck,
>>>> 
>>>> do you know if the 800-GIGE-POE-APC will work to power up a Exalt 
>>>> ExtremeAir radio?
>>>> 
>>>> We are being told that the DC power supplies won’t be available until June.
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> Chuck,
>>>> 
>>>> do you know if the 800-GIGE-POE-APC will work to power up a Exalt 
>>>> ExtremeAir radio?
>>>> 
>>>> We are being told that the DC power supplies won’t be available until 
>>>> June. 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>> 
>>  
> 

[AFMUG] 3.65 Sector Antennas

[Dan Petermann]

I am adding another Telrad sector to one of our towers and tightening the 
beamwidth on the sectors. The lead time on a 33 degree Alpha antenna is 10 
weeks and I need 4 of them.

This is the antenna: 
http://alphaantennas.com/products/single-band/3300-3800mhz-sector/aw3452/

Does anyone know of a comparable antenna? Or a manufacturer I should look at?

So far I’ve tried Kathrein-Scala, Amphenol, Commscope, & Radiowaves.

[AFMUG] Cambium 900MHz Sector

[Dan Petermann]

Does anyone know who makes the Cambium 900MHz 450 sector antenna?

I’m looking for the pattern file.

Re: [AFMUG] 450M

[Dan Petermann]

Maximum amount of SMs. 

The 450s have a limit of 200 (or so). Practically, you run out of bandwidth 
before reaching that limit. 

With the 450M having a potential of 3-4 times the bandwidth capacity, the 
number of VCs available may become a limit. Right now we hit 60-70 customers 
per AP before the downlink utilization is hitting max capacity. With three 
times the bandwidth available, 180-210 customers becomes doable. If 10-15% has 
our voip service, that cuts the available VCs down and limits the amount of 
customers that can be installed. 

Will that happen? Probably not, and if so, thats a good problem to have. 

I’m curious if the max SM count has been increased.

On Mar 6, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I don't think there is an answer.  Or are you asking what is the maximum 
> number of SMs it will register to?
> At one time, in the early days of Canopy, the answer was 200.
> 
> Or are you asking about loading and performance?
> 
> -Original Message- From: Dan Petermann
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 4:11 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] 450M
> 
> How many SMs can a 450M handle?
> 
> I can�t seem to find the answer in the manual 

[AFMUG] 450M

[Dan Petermann]

How many SMs can a 450M handle?

I can’t seem to find the answer in the manual

Re: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE -POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR

[Dan Petermann]

Sorry, here is the pinouts with polarity

Pin 1 +
Pin 2 +
Pin 3 -
Pin 4 +
Pin 5 +
Pin 6 -
Pin 7 -
Pin 8 -

On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> On all 8 pins?  If so, then you slide all the jumpers one way and only hook 
> up +48 to the POE inserter.  Is the –48 via chassis ground?
>  
> From: Dan Petermann
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 11:30 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE 
> -POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR
>  
> Excellent! The polarity is +48vdc.
>  
>  
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> 
>> I would say yes, but that document does not indicate the DC power polarity 
>> of the pairs.  So yes, provided the jumpers on the POE are set right. 
>>  
>> Can anyone in Exalt tech support give you the polarity info?
>>  
>> From: Dan Petermann
>> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 10:55 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE - 
>> POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR
>>  
>> Chuck,
>> 
>> do you know if the 800-GIGE-POE-APC will work to power up a Exalt ExtremeAir 
>> radio?
>> 
>> We are being told that the DC power supplies won’t be available until June.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Chuck,
>> 
>> do you know if the 800-GIGE-POE-APC will work to power up a Exalt ExtremeAir 
>> radio?
>> 
>> We are being told that the DC power supplies won’t be available until June. 
>> 
> 
>  

Re: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE - POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR

[Dan Petermann]

Excellent! The polarity is +48vdc.


On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I would say yes, but that document does not indicate the DC power polarity of 
> the pairs.  So yes, provided the jumpers on the POE are set right. 
>  
> Can anyone in Exalt tech support give you the polarity info?
>  
> From: Dan Petermann
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 10:55 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE - 
> POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR
>  
> Chuck,
> 
> do you know if the 800-GIGE-POE-APC will work to power up a Exalt ExtremeAir 
> radio?
> 
> We are being told that the DC power supplies won’t be available until June.
>  
> 
> 
> Chuck,
> 
> do you know if the 800-GIGE-POE-APC will work to power up a Exalt ExtremeAir 
> radio?
> 
> We are being told that the DC power supplies won’t be available until June. 
> 

[AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE - POWER INSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR

[Dan Petermann]

Chuck,do you know if the 800-GIGE-POE-APC will work to power up a Exalt ExtremeAir radio?We are being told that the DC power supplies won’t be available until June. 

ExtremeAir power pinout.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document

[AFMUG] 450 30MHz channels

[Dan Petermann]

Are any of you running 30MHz channels of your 450 gear?

All of our customers are installed at a minimum of 4X. We are consistently 
hitting 100% downlink on some APs. Changing to a 30MHz wide channel should 
alleviate that issue (somewhat), correct?

[AFMUG] 24GHz

[Dan Petermann]

Who has the highest capacity 24Ghz radios?

A customer is wanting a 1.8 mile link 1Gbs full duplex link as a back up. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

[Dan Petermann]

I like this guys response to that issue at UM. I imagine he really pissed off 
his professors. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2016/10/07/a-university-told-students-to-select-their-gender-pronouns-one-chose-his-majesty/

On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Jason McKemie  
wrote:

> Where it gets really crazy is when they start passing laws that you legally 
> have to refer to someone by a pronoun of their choosing.  They have something 
> like this in Canada right now.
> 
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> I know it will be tried. 
>  
> We drilled a hole from the boy’s shower to the girls’ shower.  First chance I 
> got to look through the hole all I saw was Penni Depriest’s eye looking in on 
> me.  Then they put a bolt through the hole  I felt like I was part of the 
> Porky’s movie. 
>  
> I have no clue how to attempt to help someone that is trans with this problem 
> and not cause much more troubles for others.  Force the schools to build 
> third facilities with a question mark over the doors?  I wonder how the 
> military does it in the barracks?
>  
> And if there was bathroom police checking birth certificates, does that 
> really matter as it may say one thing on the certificate but they recently 
> decided to identify as something else.  Isn’t there one “identity” that is 
> “fluid” or some such thing?
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:33 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling
>  
> Once you know someone who is transgender, it turns out not to be like that at 
> all.  There are exceptions to everything, but if the first thing that comes 
> to your mind is identifying as a girl to shower with the girls, then probably 
> you don’t have any friends or relatives that are transgender.  Well, that is 
> unlikely, more likely you just don’t know they are trans.
> 
>  
> 
> And school kids unfortunately take the brunt of this.  Anywhere else, are 
> there really going to be bathroom police checking birth certificates?  
> There’s a creepy thought.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:52 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT trolling
> 
>  
> 
> Bored.
> 
> If this was mid 1970s and if I discovered that the president said I could 
> shower with the girls at school it I “identified as a girl”, I sure as hell 
> would have identified as a girl
> 
>  
> 
> I have not heard a single commentator address this issue.  Boys will be boys. 
>  What do the lgbtqrstuv folks have as an answer to this situation?
> 
>  
> 
> They don’t seem to be interested in protecting the rights of my granddaughter 
> to not have the boy’s football team in there after volleyball practice. 
> 
> 

[AFMUG] Flying COWs

[Dan Petermann]

http://wirelessestimator.com/articles/2017/industrys-first-successful-flying-cow-live-test-is-made-by-att/

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings.

[Dan Petermann]

Do you know what to select when using a CTM?




On Feb 17, 2017, at 12:53 AM, George Skorup  wrote:

> If the 1PPS LED is blinking on the daisy-chained SyncInjector, then I'd say 
> it's fine with a straight-through cat5.
> 
> The ePMP1000 GPS radios will take 802.3af or Canopy -4/5 +7/8 at either 24 or 
> 48 volts. Running them at 48-56 as others have pointed out several times in 
> the past is better with the cold startup and whatnot.
> 
> The ePMP Sync radios don't do AutoSync like Canopy. You have to select 
> internal (generate in Canopy terms), GPS (on-board), CMM3 or CMM4 for Sync 
> Source on the Config > Radio page. You want to select CMM3 when using a 
> PacketFlux injector.
> 
> On 2/16/2017 11:58 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:
>> Thanks,
>> Patch between the two packetflux is 1 foot.
>> ePMP is running 6.2.1.X ( don’t want to go to 3.2.x until they work out one 
>> more bug. )
>> Using the SyncBox Junior for the syncpipe.
>> Cable runs to the APs are 140 feet
>>  
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:51 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings.
>>  
>> Shorter the better on the cable
>> Update all the components to the current firmware, and verify the syncpipe 
>> is the right revision. The default pinout on the pins inside works with 48v 
>> ps
>>  
>> On Feb 16, 2017 11:35 PM, "Brandon Yuchasz"  wrote:
>> Hopefully and easy question here.
>>  
>> We have always used the onboard GPS for ePMP access points up until this 
>> point.  We recently installed 4 new ePMP APs and the tower blocks our north 
>> facing AP from getting GPS on the onboard GPS. All other track GPS just 
>> fine. We also have 450 APs on the tower and are using a PacketFlux 
>> PowerInjector Plus to power them and provide GPS and its working fine. I 
>> then installed a Gigabit SyncInjector ( had it on the shelf new)  to power 
>> the ePMP APs and connected it to the GPS feed with a standard patch cable on 
>> the PowerInjector Plus. Light flashes shows its getting GPS but no joy on 
>> the ePMP AP.
>>  
>> So my questions are :
>>  
>> what configuration should I use in the ePMP AP?
>>  
>> And I am fairly sure stadard patch cable is acceptable between the two 
>> packet flux but I wanted to confirm?
>>  
>> Thanks everyone.
>>  
>> Brandon Yuchasz
>>  
>>  
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

[Dan Petermann]

Yes, that is an offense. The person who dropped the classified material did not 
take appropriate action to prevent you from seeing it. Depending upon the 
classification level, that guy could be in serious trouble.

I was one of two people who had a TS-SBI clearance at the facility I worked in. 
There were several procedures we had to go thru to ensure that non cleared 
individuals could not see or access the equipment we worked on. 

As to you picking up classified documents and reading them, I am almost 
positive you would have to sign several documents before you were allowed 
access to an area where classified materiel exists. One of them would address 
that very scenario. The rest of the facility I worked in was classified Secret. 
When we had visitors (mostly military brass) everything had to be covered, 
screen blanked, etc. It was a major pain as all classified material was 
inventoried before anyone got there and again after everyone left.


On Feb 16, 2017, at 8:34 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm  
wrote:

> I dont know the laws on viewing classified information. Is it criminal to do 
> so, like say im chillin at the CIA and some guy drops a folder labelled 
> classified, if I pick it up and look at it is that criminal?
> 
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> I would have asked him for a chain of custody receipt. 
>  
> From: That One Guy /sarcasm
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:00 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left
>  
> Yeah there are all kind of rules about local police and even emergency 
> services at international airports internal boundaries, we learned about this 
> for EMS, not sure why, I guess it would matter if you worked near one.
>  
> But still, those who posess classified information are responsibleish for its 
> handling, as long as you don't ask Loretta lynch. No different than going to 
> a foreign country. This guy probably got taught about this when he acquired 
> the clearance, it was probably all of seven words in a long discussion or 
> whatever one does to get clearance. It would have been a better story if he 
> had stood his ground until it moved up the chain for clarification.
>  
> On Feb 15, 2017 8:31 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
> Sorry, meant to include this as well.
>  
> DEFINING THE BORDER
> 
> The definition of the border for federal immigration enforcement purposes is 
> broad. Activities take place along international land boundaries. Border 
> enforcement also takes place at many seaports and along the coastline. 
> Related maritime operations occur along the northern border on the Great 
> Lakes and St. Lawrence Seaway, and around U.S. territories, such as Puerto 
> Rico.
> 
> In addition, border enforcement exists well inside the United States at 
> international airports and up to 100 miles inside the physical border with 
> Mexico or Canada, where U.S. Customs and Border Protection has the authority 
> to operate checkpoints and transportation checks.
>  
> http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2015/02/immigration-enforcement-along-us-borders-and-at-ports-of-entry
>  
> On Feb 15, 2017 7:56 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
> YES. Customs == border.
>  
> On Feb 15, 2017 7:51 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
> So he wasn't on US soil?  At customs check in, our rights get suspended?   I 
> need to consult the oracle...
>  
> On Feb 15, 2017 6:43 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
> Decent writeup here:
> 
> https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/02/a-nasa-engineer-is-required-to-unlock-his-phone-at-the-border/516489/
> 
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Jaime Solorza
>  wrote:
> > Engineer was on US soil, at airport, not border. Good luck with that
> > fact
> >
> > On Feb 15, 2017 4:36 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
> >>
> >> You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has
> >> legal rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are not a
> >> threat.
> >>
> >> Good luck with that.
> >>
> >> On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me their
> >>> warrant.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This recently happened to an individual with a government issued phone
> >>> from NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS didn't have
> >>> clearance to view the classification of the material on this device.
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> If you travel outside the country, and carry any electronic devices like
> >>> phones and laptops, be prepared for the possibility they may demand that 

[AFMUG] Politics and the FCC

[Dan Petermann]

Perhaps a little more on topic, what do you think about the possibility of Ajit 
Pai becoming FCC chairman?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP1000 logs

[Dan Petermann]

That was it. Thank you


On Jan 17, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Larry Smith <lesm...@ecsis.net> wrote:

> Pretty sure lldpd is Link Layer Discovery Protocol
> and I pretty much always turn it off, or set to
> receive only.
> 
> -- 
> Larry Smith
> lesm...@ecsis.net
> 
> On Tue January 17 2017 10:43, Dan Petermann wrote:
>> I get the following in the syslog for an ePMP force 110 used as a BHM and
>> connected to a Force 200 BHS.
>> 
>> Here is the entry: Jan 17 08:31:24 FCSO BHM lldpd[2170]: unable to get
>> system name
>> 
>> It shows up every 10 minutes.
>> 
>> I found this while looking for a reason the link drops randomly and doesn’t
>> recover in the DFS bands. The radio is running 3.2.
>> 
>> Any ideas of what the log entry means?

[AFMUG] ePMP1000 logs

[Dan Petermann]

I get the following in the syslog for an ePMP force 110 used as a BHM and 
connected to a Force 200 BHS.

Here is the entry: Jan 17 08:31:24 FCSO BHM lldpd[2170]: unable to get system 
name

It shows up every 10 minutes. 

I found this while looking for a reason the link drops randomly and doesn’t 
recover in the DFS bands. The radio is running 3.2.

Any ideas of what the log entry means?

[AFMUG] PTP800

[Dan Petermann]

I have a customer with a misbehaving PTP800 link.

It drops when it rains or is foggy and I’m trying to pin down why it is 
dropping. My guess is the coax has a poor seal on it.

Is there any way to tell if the modem is losing communication with the RF head?

I know in Dragonwave radios, using the CLI you can get all sorts of stats. Does 
the same thing exist for the PTP800? If so, how do you access it? I don’t have 
physical access to it so I’ll be working remote (probably teamviewer ).

Cambium, you really should put time stamps in the diagnostic csv files. It is 
rather difficult to correlate events with files from the other end.

[AFMUG] PTP250 Reset plug

[Dan Petermann]

does anyone know how to make one?

I know they are a purchase item or was supposed to come with the radio, but 
this link was put up 4 years ago for a client. They have no clue what the 
password was changed to or where the reset plug is.

Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

[Dan Petermann]

"The left has been way over dramatic putting visions of children crying while 
jackbooted thugs kick their door in and drag papa off to the gulag. "

You mean like this: 


Except in this case it was the kid they dragged off.


On Nov 9, 2016, at 11:09 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm  
wrote:

> A public works project is a great opportunity to get people working. I would 
> dig it if the current illegals were afforded an option to stay if they 
> participate in the construction if they meet the criteria for entry in the 
> first place. Not citizenship or amnesty, but no trip back to mexico, they 
> still would be in the same place in line as they would if they came through 
> legally, they just dont have to wait in mexico. 
> 
> The left has been way over dramatic putting visions of children crying while 
> jackbooted thugs kick their door in and drag papa off to the gulag. They 
> forget that these people are forced to live in the shadows and accept second 
> class status, no matter how much they have to offer they hit a wall (mental 
> wall that didnt stop them). Obama has been deporting them at a fast clip, 
> nobody faults him for tearing families apart.
> 
> get the wall built, streamline entry. Clinton said we can support 600,000 
> syrian refugees today. Thats 6 percent today of the undocumented population 
> we could migrate into citizens...today
> 
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> A mental wall would be cheaper, and probably just as effective.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 11/9/2016 9:48 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
>> A traditional “wall” would stop nothing.  I heard ideas such as 10 feet 
>> down, 40 feet high, layered, electric barbed wire, integrated cameras into 
>> the block wall, AND the people detectors.  Something sophisticated, designed 
>> up from the ground up, with purpose. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I would think freezing out anybody unknown until they spend the 3 to 6 
>> months of late nights grinding out a plan is more practical.  The question 
>> got brought into the new biggest group that we are not just letting in, we 
>> are ushering them in from Syria as though they all are capable of working at 
>> Disney World tomorrow.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> J
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 10:34 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Logistics
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> A wall is impractical.  Ladder, shovel, spool of det cord.  The wall stops 
>> nothing.  People detectors are much more practical.  Give the list members a 
>> billion dollars and we will have a string of motion sensors and cameras that 
>> will get ‘er done. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Vetting for religion or vetting for a particular flavor of radical is so far 
>> impossible.  We will need some really functional MRI technology and perhaps 
>> some synapse decoding before that will become possible.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> And if someone lies about being a Muslim, how you gonna freeze them out.  No 
>> I look Arab but I am a Christian...  Can’t vet that. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> But we have seen teen age boys get radicalized over the internet in just a 
>> few days, so there’s that
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Paul McCall
>> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:08 AM
>> 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Jaime,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I know this is a sensitive issues culturally, and I know you are sincere in 
>> your concerns.  However, a lot of what was made out of his statements was 
>> highly exaggerated into PC / political talking points.  Instead of listening 
>> for actual plans to develop the media way overdid it, and took great 
>> liberties to distort for a story line to support their ratings and liberal 
>> agenda.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> In now particular order…
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> There are NO automatic granted “rights” for people to be able to come into 
>> this county.  None in the constitution, none in current policy or law.  
>> There is a policy to apply for legal immigration.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> #1 on any county’s list is “sovereign integrity”.  Meaning, the US has a 
>> right to real borders, and has a right to not admit those who might not be a 
>> good fit.  Yep, that is the case and the US has a duty (not just a right) to 
>> protect itself now and in the future.  The US has given up on that for way 
>> too long and is a very dangerous position because of the relatively small % 
>> of “bad apples” that have let in completely unchecked.  The is almost no 
>> vetting system currently, no structure on protecting who comes into the 
>> country.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> That being said…
>> 
>> The “freeze” on Muslims immigrating into our country, until we know who 
>> these people are exactly (and no such vetting system exists), is simply a 
>> wise move.  He never said permanently. I have Muslim friends and those 
>> friends were essentially, vetted by 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract

[Dan Petermann]

On Oct 20, 2016, at 2:29 PM,   wrote:

> Did you sit on it or was it a result of a fall?
>  
> From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:25 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract
>  
> Damn right...I have a UBNT device inside of me right now.
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 10/20/2016 4:19:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Beta Contract
>  
>> Well, thats the end of that, going to UBNT, they let you do whatever you want
>>  
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Christopher Gray 
>>  wrote:
>> They created ePMP man, but their contract specifically states:
>>  
>> "...Product is not designed, intended, or authorized for use as components 
>> in systems intended for surgical implant into the body;..."
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> -- 
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
>> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Dan Petermann]

LOL!

I gave up TV years ago, about the only thing I miss is the NHRA races. 
Discovery and the History channel, unless they became a horror show like TLC 
did.


On Oct 20, 2016, at 12:25 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> We need to go into the TV and rescue you from The Upside Down which is full
> of Angier Things:
> 
> http://boingboing.net/2016/10/19/trumps-angrier-things.html
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:22 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
> 
> And that is the problem. People continue to think they need to vote for the
> lesser of two evils, never realizing they are still voting for EVIL!
> 
> Vote for anyone but these two idiots. 
> 
> But, but, but.. the other candidate that I hate more will win!
> 
> Big deal, what is more important to you:
> 
> A. The less evil guy is in the White House
> 
> B. Looking yourself in the eye and being proud you didn't take a dump on
> your principles.
> 
> No matter who wins, don't blame me, I'm not voting for either one.
> 
> On Oct 20, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Steve <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote:
> 
>> Being a well informed Canadian all I can do is look at the United States
> and feel very very sorry for you.  This is the best you have to offer.  You
> are forced into picking the lesser of two evils again and YES both are
> evil... even though one is a little more evil than the other.  
>> 
>> But I would choose to vote for someone who has a history of not killing
> people. There is a trail of lies, deceit and murder behind Hillary and her
> husband that cannot be put back into power. As far as I know Trump has never
> done anything to kill anyone through action or inaction. 
>> 
>> Not to mention if the Russians love Trump so much - wouldn't it be in your
> best interests to have a very good relationship with Russia?  To do
> meaningful business with them?  
>> 
>> I'm just thinking from a historical and a logical perspective.  
>> 
>> Trump is no saint.  I think Trump is a narcissists with his own self
> interests at heart and will say whatever it takes to get into office.  Its
> almost as if he was a clown they threw in there to ensure that Hillary gets
> elected. I don't think Hillary would beat any real Republican though.  
>> 
>> So in conclusion after seeing all the evidence of voter fraud, the
> wikileaks material that this entire system is indeed rigged.  This makes me
> very very sad.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Tim Reichhart" <timreichh...@hometowncable.net>
>> To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:24:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
>> 
>> Mike
>> I think you need to do your research on Soros if you didnt you really dont
> have much to say either. Sorry its the truth.
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Date: 10/20/16 09:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
>> 
>> People that bring up Soros or the Koch brothers are immediately punted as
> not having anything worthwhile to say.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Tim Reichhart" <timreichh...@hometowncable.net>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 8:11:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
>> 
>> You all forgot to say the media as been against him and used his words
> against him so this is why you dont believe what MSM (main street media)
> spits out from there mouths they are all paid by same people (to create
> lies). Reason why I say this is because everybody in DC is scared of trump
> because they know that there career can be gone very soon. Also George Soros
> where do I even start with him? Basically he came out on video stating
> that trump will win the election but Killary is a done deal basically what
> that means Killary will get into the WH which is very sad.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Date: 10/20/16 09:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
>> 
>> Wow. Gentleman. I watched the whole debate, maybe not as intently 

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Dan Petermann]

And that is the problem. People continue to think they need to vote for the 
lesser of two evils, never realizing they are still voting for EVIL!

Vote for anyone but these two idiots. 

But, but, but…… the other candidate that I hate more will win!

Big deal, what is more important to you:

A. The less evil guy is in the White House

B. Looking yourself in the eye and being proud you didn’t take a dump on your 
principles.

No matter who wins, don’t blame me, I’m not voting for either one.

On Oct 20, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Steve  wrote:

> Being a well informed Canadian all I can do is look at the United States and 
> feel very very sorry for you.  This is the best you have to offer.  You are 
> forced into picking the lesser of two evils again and YES both are evil... 
> even though one is a little more evil than the other.  
> 
> But I would choose to vote for someone who has a history of not killing 
> people. There is a trail of lies, deceit and murder behind Hillary and her 
> husband that cannot be put back into power. As far as I know Trump has never 
> done anything to kill anyone through action or inaction. 
> 
> Not to mention if the Russians love Trump so much - wouldn't it be in your 
> best interests to have a very good relationship with Russia?  To do 
> meaningful business with them?  
> 
> I'm just thinking from a historical and a logical perspective.  
> 
> Trump is no saint.  I think Trump is a narcissists with his own self 
> interests at heart and will say whatever it takes to get into office.  Its 
> almost as if he was a clown they threw in there to ensure that Hillary gets 
> elected. I don't think Hillary would beat any real Republican though.  
> 
> So in conclusion after seeing all the evidence of voter fraud, the wikileaks 
> material that this entire system is indeed rigged.  This makes me very very 
> sad.  
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tim Reichhart" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:24:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
> 
> Mike 
> I think you need to do your research on Soros if you didnt you really dont 
> have much to say either. Sorry its the truth.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Date: 10/20/16 09:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
> 
> People that bring up Soros or the Koch brothers are immediately punted as not 
> having anything worthwhile to say.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  From: "Tim Reichhart" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 8:11:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
> 
> You all forgot to say the media as been against him and used his words 
> against him so this is why you dont believe what MSM (main street media) 
> spits out from there mouths they are all paid by same people (to create 
> lies). Reason why I say this is because everybody in DC is scared of trump 
> because they know that there career can be gone very soon. Also George Soros 
> where do I even start with him? Basically he came out on video stating 
> that trump will win the election but Killary is a done deal basically what 
> that means Killary will get into the WH which is very sad.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Lewis Bergman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Date: 10/20/16 09:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]
> 
> Wow. Gentleman. I watched the whole debate, maybe not as intently as some, 
> but I did watch it. I really didn't see anything to get so upset 
> about.Hillary turned in the performance expected meaning very good demeanor, 
> logical well thought out positions. I don't agree with most of them and 
> evidently "facts" are not what they used to be. Face it, both these clowns 
> couldn't spot a fact if it slapped them with a cold fish.
> Trump. Well, he turned in a much better performance than the previous debates 
> and if there were 5 he might actually come off pretty good by the last one. 
> Still submitted to his basic desire to talk about himself and his stuff. He 
> had some good points but missed opportunities to take Hillary down a notch by 
> talking about himself. I can't believe he didn't counter the whole Russian 
> wiki leaks thing with the fact the US pressured to have Assange shut down 
> after denying it. On the other hand, I don't know anyone who thought that 
> didn't happen. The US is on record against him already.
> 
> 
> They both are living in some fantasy world where you can say and do whatever 
> you want and it all balances out in the end. Free college? Yea no problem, 
> costs nothing. Double the size of the military? Why not, growth covers 
> everything. National debt? Yea we reduced it. What? Its twice what it was 8 
> years ago? No it went 

Re: [AFMUG] [OT][Politics]

[Dan Petermann]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mutt

Full Definition of mutt
1
:  a stupid or insignificant person :  fool
2
:  a mongrel dog :  cur







Whether or not that applies is up to the individual.

That is mild compared to the past:

John Adams supporters speaking of his former VP Thomas Jefferson: "hideous 
hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, 
nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.”

Jefferson supporters speaking of Adams: "a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the 
son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father.”

Thomas Jefferson speaking of George Washington: "a Samson who had allowed 
himself to be shorn by the harlot, England.”

Journalist James Thomson Callender, offering a toast at a public dinner "to the 
speedy death of President Washington.”

Journalists sneeringly called President James Madison "Little Jemmy" and openly 
speculated that he persuaded Congress to do his bidding by granting access to 
his buxom wife, Dolley.

Aaron Burr, Jefferson’s vice president, said President James Monroe was so 
dimwitted, in his days as a lawyer he had never won a case that paid more than 
$5.00.

President Franklin Pierce attacked Lincoln as a war monger and would-be 
dictator, calling one of his early decisions "an idle, foolish, ill-advised, if 
not criminal thing."

New Jersey Democrats fastened on Abe  the nickname "the brainless bob-o-link of 
the prairies.”

President Kennedy speaking of Nixon: "a filthy lying son of a bitch and a very 
dangerous man.”

President Johnson speaking of President Ford: "Jerry spent too much time 
playing football without a helmet.”


What I find particularly entertaining is how many people think any president 
actually gives a crap. They will do what they want, when they want all the 
while giving us the finger and masturbating their ego. Resident not President 
should be their title.  It is congress who actually makes law. (well they used 
to be before the supreme court and executive actions) Take a look at which 
corporations and which people donate the most money to the congress critters 
and you know who is running the country. Unfortunately for us, the people who 
can change the laws to prevent the above are the very ones receiving the 
largess. 



On Oct 19, 2016, at 10:12 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> The first time I ignored it.
> 
> The second time I did a double take and though "did he really just call the 
> President of the United States a MUTT?"!?
> 
> As an American citizen, I'm ashamed of that and I didn't even say it. As a 
> combat veteran, that was my Commander-In-Chief - saying that in uniform, 
> regardless of the man or woman in office would get you court martialed and 
> kicked out of the military with a dishonorable discharge... Forever ruining 
> you chances at decent employment, amongst many other things.
> 
> Like him or not, shame on you. That's as unAmerican a phrase as I can think 
> of, and lacks basic human decency.
> 
> 
> On Oct 19, 2016 10:32 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
> wrote:
> Rats run, the "establishment" is full of rats, so are swamps. Military 
> personnel captured bin laden, the mutt in the whitehouse was playing spades, 
> he didnt capture anybody, he didnt collect intelligence, he didnt build any 
> of the infrastructure used to gather intel, he didnt build the operative 
> system that was in play that led to the ability of our military personel to 
> capture him. good job to him though for taking time out of his card game to 
> give the go ahead.
> 
> Have you not listened to a word he said, crime and drugs are the biggest 
> issues he talks about coming over the border. Hes been very clear, lock down 
> the border, get those here illegally out (i dont agree with this directly, 
> and i dont suspect he will "break up families") once its secure, refocus 
> resources on the completely fucked system that caused a 7 year process, 
> streamline it so these people who didnt want to do the work to come in right 
> the first time can get back in line, and maybe they wont have to wait as long.
> 
> you think mexicans are the old bags priority? shit. they dont have any money, 
> theyll be put out anyway at the end of the day by her, the money is in the 
> ones that come from the sand 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Jaime Solorza  
> wrote:
> You called our president a mutt?  Real patriot... Who the fuck got Bin Laden? 
>   I have the balls to admit Hillary is not perfect... But Trump is a fucking 
> idiot... When have you seen so many Republicans distance themselves from 
> their nominee, even vote for other candidate?   He doesn't know shit about 
> the border and our problems... Drugs are the main problem not poor people who 
> take the shit jobs you guys don't want to do..  No matter the pay... Only 
> farmers and ranchers born into it work as hard in heat and tough 
> 

[AFMUG] strange antenna specs

[Dan Petermann]

Does anyone know what ETSI TS3 means in reference to side lobes, cross 
polarization, and F/B ratio?

An example can be found here: 
http://www.mars-antennas.com/sites/mars/UserContent/Files/PdfFromCatalogue/MA-WA36-DP25.pdf

[AFMUG] ePMP & CMMmicro

[Dan Petermann]

Will a ePMP radio get sync from a CMMmicro?

Re: [AFMUG] FCC website newb question

[Dan Petermann]

But do they have the Turbo button pushed?

On Sep 13, 2016, at 12:25 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm  
wrote:

> That website is top of the line, hosted on nothing but the best 486dx4 
> architecture and maximized performance of the full 4mb edo ram, this thing is 
> busting with the hottest new DOS 6.0 operating system. For security all info 
> submitted is written immediately to a 5 1/4 floppy diskette which is 
> immediately airgapped to one of the equally robust servers in the data center 
> of the janitors garage
> 
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 6:36 PM,  wrote:
> That would be extremely cool if i can.  Thanks.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:11 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> 
>> I just did a Part 90 land/mobile on the stupid java app a couple weeks ago. 
>> Total pain in the ass. Had to find java 7 and force it to install, then get 
>> rid of the stupid update nag every 5 minutes.
>> 
>> I had to close it a couple times due to crashes and I was able to pick up 
>> where I left off. So I think you'll be fine.
>> 
>> On 9/12/2016 5:46 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> I started a license application on the FCC site, but I have to prepare some 
>>> attachments which are going to take awhile to finish.  I didn't know what 
>>> all the required attachments were going to be until I got most of the way 
>>> through the application.
>>>  
>>> If I just leave the browser window open, how long do I have until this 
>>> times out and I have to start over? 
>>>  
>>> If it does time out, and I come back to the application later with the same 
>>> FRN number, will I be able to pick up where I left off?
>>>  
>>> It wouldn't be the end of the world to start over, but I'm curious.
>>>  
>>> -Adam
>>>  
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820

[Dan Petermann]

Tried that. I wound up using wireshark to see what it was arping for. 

I finally got in, started programming and now I’ve lost ethernet access. It 
responds to 32 pings upon boot, then the lights go out on the port. To really 
make things interesting, the other radio (fully programmed) started doing the 
same thing.


This is a 1+1 link and both the transmit high radios have lost the ethernet 
port while using separate power supplies and computers. 

Now the big question, do I tempt fate and plug in the TX low radios?

I’ve got a ticket open with Cambium to figure out what the heck is going on.




On Sep 13, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:

> Try 169.254.1.1
> 
> 
> 
> On 09/12/2016 11:11 AM, Dan Petermann wrote:
>> What is the default IP of these radios?
>> 
>> I�m using 192.168.1.1 but they do not respond. I got this out of the user 
>> guide v8.3 and I�m plugged into the management port
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> -- 
> 

[AFMUG] PTP820

[Dan Petermann]

What is the default IP of these radios?

I’m using 192.168.1.1 but they do not respond. I got this out of the user guide 
v8.3 and I’m plugged into the management port

Re: [AFMUG] Live Long and Prosper

[Dan Petermann]

I hear that, I’m 50, think I’m still in my 20’s and wake up some days feeling 
like I’m 80. 

I’m really starting to understand the saying “youth is wasted on the young"

On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:19 AM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:

> I am 60 and act like 6 year old..  Feel like 20 year old once in a while and 
> look 70 other times.
> 
> 
> On Sep 8, 2016 11:16 AM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:
> I've found at some point people stop lying or hiding their age and start 
> bragging again like a 3 year old.  Have you ever noticed how quickly someone 
> that is 80 years old will tell you their 80?
> 
> Adam Moffett wrote:
> Birthday reactions:
> age 6 = YAY it's my birthday
> age 16 = YAY I can drive
> age 26 = buy me drinks
> age 36 = meh
> age 46 = I'm going to die soon aren't I?  Better buy that Mustang I always 
> wanted.
> age 56 = I'm older than Star Trek?!  *cries into a beer*
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jay Weekley" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/8/2016 11:35:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Live Long and Prosper
> 
> He'll stop bragging about his birthday in a year or two and simply drink and 
> cry all day like I do now.
> 
> Ty Featherling wrote:
> Happy Birthday Jay!
> 
> 
> 
> -Ty
> 
> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
> 
> Happy birthday
> 
> 
> On Sep 8, 2016 9:11 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"
> > wrote:
> 
> Why thanks, but I'm only 39 :)
> Happy to share a birthday with star trek tho :)
> 
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 08, 2016 9:04 AM
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Live Long and Prosper
> 
> "Space,... the final frontier... "
> Happy 50th.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information

[Dan Petermann]

They probably mean fiber to the antenna, which is technically wrong also. I 
suppose its easier to say than "fiber to remote radio unit with an antenna 
attached” (FtRRUwaAA).



On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Someone please explain what a "fiber optic antenna" is?
> 
> "Alphabet is also actively exploring how it can solve the cost of laying 
> cable through using less expensive technology and existing infrastructure. 
> Last month Google acquired Webpass, a company that uses fiber optic antennas 
> to facilitate high-speed internet."
> bp
> 
> 
> On 8/26/2016 8:09 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> there are numerous reports about this on the press lately :
>> 
>> http://www.wsj.com/articles/googles-high-speed-web-plans-hit-snags-1471193165
>> 
>> https://www.theinformation.com/inside-the-battle-over-google-fiber?token=QXfYHX9rFRSLb3l690owLQ
>> 
>> https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602184/google-fiber-stalls-as-the-industry-gears-up-for-ultrafast-wireless/
>> 
>> https://news.fastcompany.com/google-fiber-hits-speed-bumps-as-alphabet-looks-to-cut-costs-4017742
>> 
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>> "The slow pace of digging up streets to install fiber is the primary 
>> contributor."
>>  
>> All the facts really say is that it's not as easy as they thought.  I think 
>> almost anybody who ever started an ISP found out it wasn't as easy as they 
>> thought, and that plans don't survive contact with reality.
>>  
>> Which part is BS?
>>  
>>  
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 8/26/2016 10:11:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>  
>>> I would like to know what their take rate is in percentage for a given 
>>> area(s).
>>> 
>>>  
>>> That number they report is meaningless.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> I bet their take in Provo is very high.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Also, it just doesn’t take a lot of employees to run fiber once it’s 
>>> installed correctly.
>>> 
>>> The layoff may not actually be indicative of anything other than the job is 
>>> done and now they maintain.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> I call BS on this article.
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:19 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Google Fiber information
>>> 
>>>  
>>> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Report-Google-Fiber-to-Cut-Staff-After-User-Totals-Disappoint-137750
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
>>> 
>>> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
>>> 
>>> 602-426-0542
>>> 
>>> r...@triadwireless.net
>>> 
>>> http://www.triadwireless.net/
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> “Baseball, it is said, is only a game.  True.  And the Grand Canyon is only 
>>> a hole in Arizona”.  -  George Frederick Will
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Big Guns align behind CBRS LTE in 3.5 ghz

[Dan Petermann]

Isn’t the spectrum available for use until the PAL license holder actually 
starts transmitting?

Isn’t that the whole point of the database?

On Aug 24, 2016, at 2:02 PM, Rick Harnish  wrote:

> There are approximately 500,000 PAL licenses, (7) 10 MHz per license per 
> census tract. No company can buy more than four licenses per census tract. 
> There is also an additional 80 MHz of GAA spectrum, which will include 
> 3.65-3.7. 
> 
> I would guess metro areas will go fairly high but rural areas not so much. 
> Since the census tracts are so small, small WISPs may see more value in their 
> coverage area than the big guys.
> 
> In my opinion, this is the best opportunity for WISPs to gain access to 
> affordable licensed spectrum ever. Also, there is opportunistic use of 
> licensed PAL spectrum, if it is not being used as governed by the SAS 
> database.
> 
> Read the rules, keep up on the upcoming auction proceedings, identify the 
> census tracts in your area and get prepared to bid!
> 
> 
> Respectively,
> 
> Rick Harnish
> Director of WISP Markets
> Direct: 972.922.1443
> Baicells Technologies N.A. Inc.
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Droid
> On Aug 24, 2016 2:45 PM, Jason McKemie  
> wrote:
> Maybe, I'm having a pessimistic kind of week.
> 
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2016, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> I don't believe they can purchase all of the GAA, well, not one company 
> anyway.
> 
> I think you're also over-estimating the geographic reach that they'll be 
> purchasing licenses in.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Jason McKemie" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 2:38:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Big Guns align behind CBRS LTE in 3.5 ghz
> 
> They could purchase all of the exclusive-use spectrum though.  The 3.65 band 
> is pretty much worthless around here anymore as-is.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Keefe John  wrote:
> 70 mhz is reserved for GAA
> 
> On 8/24/2016 12:48 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> Why not?
> 
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Keefe John  wrote:
> They can't buy them all.
> 
> On 8/24/2016 12:26 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> Bad if they bid on PAL's in your area.  Probably none of us could outbid 
> those guys.
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/24/2016 1:24:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Big Guns align behind CBRS LTE in 3.5 ghz
>  
> Good thing or bad thing?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Gino Villarini" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 12:23:38 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Big Guns align behind CBRS LTE in 3.5 ghz
> 
> http://telecoms.com/475034/google-intel-nokia-qualcomm-and-other-form-3-5-ghz-alliance/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

[AFMUG] License Keys

[Dan Petermann]

How long does it take to get a license key for a PTP820s?

I’ve been waiting about 30 min so far

Re: [AFMUG] If it was you...

[Dan Petermann]

Check out Xetawave (http://www.xetawave.com/Products/Overview.shtml) 57Kbps in 
a 12.5KHz channel. They are ethernet based.


On Jun 8, 2016, at 9:49 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:

> While working at Storm Water site today, one of the water Co. SCADA guys came 
> by... he discussed that they are looking at WiMax and also 4.9GHz to replace 
> existing licensed 900mhz network for our 600 locations.  They are using MDS 
> SD9 radios for MAS and LEDR for ptp they want to move up to faster 
> Ethernet based radios I listened and offered no commentsI was not 
> about to tell them about WiMAX or that our sister city has over 200 4.9GHz 
> links in operation since 2010...I have ideas of what I would do...Some 
> background .many  remote  links are NLOS...easy to do with their existing 
>  5 Watt licensed radios and APs on 150 Ft elevated tanks or mountain.  ptp 
> links are easy for most of east and lower valley because of tanks available 
> and mountain locationslet's see what you gurus suggestwe are on 
> border and it is very noisy in all bands.  I mean all bands   
> 

[AFMUG] 5.1GHz EIRP

[Dan Petermann]

Can someone tell me what a SM transmitting in the 5.1GHz band is allowed for 
EIRP?

I can’t seem to find a straight answer.

[AFMUG] OT: MOS 6502 microproccesor

[Dan Petermann]

I thought some of you guys might enjoy this: http://tinyurl.com/zyjmlvj

[AFMUG] Trango

[Dan Petermann]

Does anyone know when the Trango next gen radios are going to hit the market?

Where can I find a spec sheet?

[AFMUG] Firmware

[Dan Petermann]

Has anyone heard when 14.1.2 will be out?

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad specs

[Dan Petermann]

We are deploying three sectors this morning so I can’t speak to how many 
customers yet.

AP capacity varies by channel width and distance. 

Max distance is 39km (24.23 miles).

98Mbs down / 7.9Mbs up with current SM with a 20MHz channel (conf2,ssf1).

 SM is 2 stream down link and 1 stream up. SM limited to 16QAM. When 8000 
series SMs are available they will be 64QAM and 4X4 (I think). Uplink will 
increase to 13.57Mbs (70/30 split).

The above throughput is not at max range but around 10km. 

MU-MIMO is supposedly coming soon.

QOS is not working yet but will be shortly.

On Apr 12, 2016, at 11:08 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

> Sorry for the on topic content.
> 
> Would those of you here who have played enough with the telrad gear please 
> explain to me the realities of things like capacity per ap/channel/mhz, 
> distance capability (ie link budget), and the like?  Ie what should really be 
> on a spec sheet.
> 
> I'm still trying to dig through the marketing spin to understand the real 
> capabilities of these units. 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

[Dan Petermann]

Everything you mentioned below was perpetrated by the democrat party. 

Jim Crow laws were created and enforced by the democrat party.

Japanese camps - Executive order from President Roosevelt (D)

Bracero Program - Executive order from President Roosevelt (D)

Democrats controlled both the house and senate for 6 years before and 2 years 
after WWII. 



On Apr 6, 2016, at 11:29 AM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:

> Moral compass in WWll time frame?  Are we reading the same history books or 
> did you used the new revised version put out by Texas Board of 
> EducationWe were still a Jim Crow nation, we imprisoned fellow Japanese 
> Americans in camps, we invited Mexicans to work under Bracero Program which 
> was really legalized slaverysorry...this is history... can't sanitize it. 
>   I know many want to and have revised it.   We needed a wall in the ocean to 
> keep them pesky Europeans from coming here and fucking things upChief 
> Pocasganas..
> 
> On Apr 6, 2016 10:56 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
> We are our own worst enemy since World War II.  Back then we had the moral 
> compass and fortitude to do it right.  What we have for politicians today and 
> the supporters who vote for them with no clue who they are voting for is 
> simply an embarrassment.
> 
>  
> 
> Rory
> 
>  
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:54 AM
> To: af 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
> Mexico - WSJ
> 
>  
> 
> Every time we destabilize (nation build) replace dictators (spread democracy) 
> it seems to end much worse than before we started. 
> 
>  
> 
> From: Mathew Howard
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:52 AM
> 
> To: af
> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
> Mexico - WSJ
> 
>  
> 
> My question is, why should we (the United States) care? Destabilizing Russia 
> doesn't sound like a great idea to me... and the Russians seem pretty happy 
> with Putin.
> 
>  
> 
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> 
> He has been stealing money for a long time.  What do you think happens if the 
> general population knows it while simultaneously being asked to cut back 
> further.  Especially if they release how many billions and how many yachts he 
> owns?
> 
>  
> 
> Rory
> 
>  
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:44 AM
> To: af 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
> Mexico - WSJ
> 
>  
> 
> But... why?
> 
>  
> 
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> 
> On the Putin issue, all they needed to do was get that information to the 
> public.  We can do the same thing to Chinese leaders and their kids.
> 
> Rory
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 9:06 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to 
> Mexico - WSJ
> 
> Iceland tossed all the bad bankers and has shown remarkably low
> tolerence for this sort of shenangans since the recession.   Kind of
> admirable.   Putin will just toss someone else under yet another bus, or
> tank, and doesn't really care.   Remember it's a dictatorship.   What
> credibility does a dictator need?   Only that his bad asses are badder
> than his threats bad asses.   Anyone who is running for the pres is
> going to be insulated from those financial transactions.   Even so don't
> forget Whitewater and how that was sidestepped..
> 
> On 4/6/16 8:48 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> > Because it's very likely just as many US politicians and senior
> > intelligence administration is just as guilty? :P
> >
> > Can't rock the boat too much or you end up like what Iceland is going
> > through right now (and good for them, btw).
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Rory Conaway  
> > wrote:
> >> I have wondered for years why the CIA or NSA didn't just use this 
> >> information to destroy the credibility of dictators like Putin.
> >>
> >> Rory
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 8:43 AM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
> >>
> >> I am incredibly interested to see if Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and/or 
> >> Hillary Clinton / Clinton Foundation have bits about them in the Panama 
> >> Papers. That could have a very interesting and lasting impact on this 
> >> election.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
> >>> Guys,  I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up 

[AFMUG] Test

[Dan Petermann]

Just checking, I haven’t received any mail since this yesterday. 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Dan Petermann]

Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho for President!


On Mar 5, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> vote for Pedro
> 
> Sent from Outlook Mobile
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 1:48 PM -0800, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
> 
> The whole field gags me.  There is nobody to vote for this year. 
>  
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 11:37 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>  
> I'm still looking for that garage.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 3/4/2016 12:42 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>> i was harmed by your statements and will need reparations
>>  
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>> I didn't ask anyone to believe what I believe, I encouraged people to
>> check out specific facts for themselves. Stating my personal opinions
>> has no bearing on previous or current documented behavior by any
>> candidate or group of candidates.
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>> > No, you are just repeating the opposition's talking points about each
>> > one...something you asked everyone not to believe about the guy you 
>> > support.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Not once did I mention truth or untruth about their stances or records
>> >> other than Sanders, simply my feelings which are relative.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>> >> > Josh writes:
>> >> > "Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
>> >> >
>> >> > https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
>> >> > "
>> >> > but then goes on the ad-hominem attack with :
>> >> >
>> >> > " Trump is a clown,
>> >> > Cruz is a sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a brilliant brain
>> >> > surgeon who has written many groundbreaking papers in his field but is
>> >> > kind of an idiot outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too far,
>> >> > and Clinton is - simply scary."
>> >> >
>> >> > Pot, meet kettle.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You mean countries like...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Denmark
>> >> >> Finland
>> >> >> Netherlands
>> >> >> Canada
>> >> >> Sweden
>> >> >> Norway
>> >> >> Ireland
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Countries with some of the highest levels of education, healthcare,
>> >> >> standard of living, low crime rates, and longest life expectancies?
>> >> >> The REPUBLIC of the United States has, since inception, been a mix of
>> >> >> many different types government policies. Hell a lot of the things FDR
>> >> >> did were VERY socialist, and they worked very well in the United
>> >> >> States.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You pick between things that can work on an individual basis. Throwing
>> >> >> the baby out with the bathwater is foolish. Making the future of the
>> >> >> country a Democratic vs Republican issue is also foolish. The FBI
>> >> >> needs to finish their investigation of Clinton quickly and do the
>> >> >> right thing (whatever that may be). Her as well as the American people
>> >> >> deserve this thing to be over one way or the other. Trump is a clown,
>> >> >> Cruz is a sociopath, Rubio is a weakling, Carson is a brilliant brain
>> >> >> surgeon who has written many groundbreaking papers in his field but is
>> >> >> kind of an idiot outside of his niche. Sanders may want to go too far,
>> >> >> and Clinton is - simply scary.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> For those of us riding the middle ground here, this is all a "shit
>> >> >> sandwich" (technical term)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rory Conaway 
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > Josh, the problem with Bernie is we do trust him. We trust him to
>> >> >> > bring
>> >> >> > back socialism.  Based on what happens to every socialist country,
>> >> >> > especially Venezuela, Russia, Greece, Spain, etc...  I'm not inclined
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > vote for a guy that is going to make me stand in line for toilet
>> >> >> > paper.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Rory
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -Original Message-
>> >> >> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> >> >> > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 9:29 AM
>> >> >> > To: af@afmug.com
>> >> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Fact check it for yourself here, don't just listen to talking points:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/66/veterans
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > ---
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "McCain said the Vermont senator, who is competing with Clinton for
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > Democratic presidential nomination next year, worked hard for
>> >> >> > veterans in
>> >> >> > his role as chairman of the Veterans’ Affairs 

Re: [AFMUG] anyone watching the debates

[Dan Petermann]

On Mar 4, 2016, at 6:23 AM, Jay Weekley  wrote:

> It's likely going to be a long 4 years regardless of who wins.  The best 
> candidates have already dropped out.  Probably because they weren't 
> flamboyant enough to get attention.
> 
> Lewis Bergman wrote:
>> 
>> It really is a sad state of affairs. I don't think Trump is really bigoted, 
>> or maybe as bigoted, as he is made out. That is about the best thing I can't 
>> think to say about him.
>> Cruz is just another lying politician that will day or do anything to get 
>> elected and was the first to tap into the whole "angry court" syndrome a few 
>> years ago.
>> Rubio will void for wherever poles say.
>> Kasich is to obviously to reasonable for many people to vote for him.
>> On the dem side you have a socialist and an entitled elitist that has always 
>> flirted with the illegality of her desires. She just thinks she deserves to 
>> be President.
>> 
>> The whole thing is sad. America has so many principled, intelligent people 
>> who are either on the left, right, or independent. It is hard to believe 
>> this is the best willing to come forward to serve.
>> All people deserve the government they allow to rule over them. I am afraid 
>> that doesn't say a lot for us.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016, 2:20 AM Josh Reynolds > > wrote:
>> 
>>Oh, forgot:
>> 
>>Google's most searched for policy issues
>>
>> ,
>>from June 23 to June 29: (from 1-10)
>> 
>>Immigration
>>Same-Sex Marriage
>>Education
>>Gun Control
>>Taxes
>>Economy
>>Health Care
>>Climate Change
>>Foreign Policy
>>Environment
>> 
>>On Mar 4, 2016 2:14 AM, "Josh Reynolds" >> wrote:
>> 
>>http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism
>> 
>>On Mar 3, 2016 10:19 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
>>>
>>wrote:
>> 
>>Trump is crass...no class...Kasich stayed focused my
>>wife called it a jokevery few real issues
>>discussedTrump can only quote polls...OReilly not
>>giving in... I am surprised. Cruz is a revisionist in his
>>closing statement... Obama didn't send troops into
>>combat...Bush did...Obama inherited that mess.  I take
>>Iraq fiasco personally... my son was there and came back
>>damagedwe are trying to get him healed...my brother
>>was shot in legwill limp forever those are
>>facts...I attend veterans court on Wednesdaysthose men
>>and women didn't deserve to get hurt and damaged in
>>Iraq... the enemy was in Afghanistan and Pakistan. if
>>I was a Republican, perish the thought,  John Kasich made
>>the most sense.  But I don't need to say more... the GOP
>>is imploding...fighting amongst itself... Romney and
>>Rigell really going after Trump...keep going...Lincoln and
>>even Reagan are spinning in their tombs..
>> 
>>On Mar 3, 2016 8:46 PM, "Rory Conaway"
>>>
>>wrote:
>> 
>>Trump just responded to Rubio’s little hands comment
>>by referring to the size of his manhood as it pertains
>>to the theory of the size of a man’s hands. For that
>>comment alone, in a Presidential debate, he should be
>>appointed King.   I almost fell off the chair laughing.
>> 
>>*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*
>> 
>>*4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>> 
>>*602-426-0542 *
>> 
>>*r...@triadwireless.net *
>> 
>>*www.triadwireless.net *
>> 
>>**
>> 
>>“The best baseball fields in the world are built with
>>a plastic bat, a wiffle ball, and a little creativity”
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Simple to make

[Dan Petermann]

No, the Canadian one  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGTznIy6i4w


On Feb 25, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> What, to build Trump’s wall?
>  
> From: Jaime Solorza
> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 5:03 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Simple to make
>  
> Doesn't work...they take them anyway
> 
> On Feb 25, 2016 3:32 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
> So we need a stencil and spray paint to mark our concrete blocks now?
> 
> -Original Message- From: Caleb Knauer
> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 4:29 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Simple to make
> 
> Less chance of a satellite installer or other nefarious character
> stealing your block to use on their sled because they're too lazy to
> bring their own?  Not common, not rare either.
> --
> IgniteNet
> ca...@ignitenet.com
> www.ignitenet.com
> We're hiring!  Ping me.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
> That would be a bitch if you had to move/remove it.  Why not just put a
> bunch of blocks there in angle iron instead of grate?
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
> 
> This is a non penetrating mount with mastit's has a meshed grid cover
> which you fill will rocks .
> 
> 
> 
> 

[AFMUG] 14.1.1?

[Dan Petermann]

What ever happened with this version and the 5.4 band?

Safe to upgrade or ???

[AFMUG] Force 200

[Dan Petermann]

I assume they can be used in a PTP set up, but can they?

2nd question, can they sync in a PTP setup?

[AFMUG] Alternative PTP800 dish

[Dan Petermann]

I am needing to find an alternative to Cambium PN: 85010089052 11GHz 4’ dish. 

Do other companies make a direct mount 11GHz 4’ dish for a PTP800?

[AFMUG] weird problem

[Dan Petermann]

We have two 11GHz links on the same freqs. One V and one H pol. These are dual 
links, 2 - 40Mhz channels. The radios are Dragonwave, one Quantum and the other 
a Horizion Duo.

We had to replace the IDU of the Quantum with a DUO and put the link into DUO 
compatibility mode. 

After replacing the IDU, we started having issues on the other link. The RX 
levels of one freq dropped by 9dBm, the equalizer stress jumped to 150 (should 
be under 100), and the link would only run at 32QAM.

This morning I moved the IDU up 1 RU (it was sitting directly onto of the other 
IDU) and tightened the coax by 3/4 of a turn. Gained 9dB, lowered equalizer 
stress by 50, and now running at 256QAM.

I check the IF freqs and they were separated by 200MHz.

I’m curious, does anyone have an idea why this happened?

[AFMUG] Is this possible?

[Dan Petermann]

I have 2 - 40MHz 11Ghz channel pairs with vertical polarity. I can get an 
additional 40MHz xpic channel.

Any idea of how to get 3 vertical channels and 1 horizontal on a single dish? 
There are no additional channels available at this site. Link is 22 miles long.

[AFMUG] ePMP GPS compatability

[Dan Petermann]

Is the ePMP line GPS compatible with the100 series radios?

[AFMUG] 14.1.1 MIBS

[Dan Petermann]

Can somebody send me a non-corrupted mib file?

The one on the website is corrupt.

Re: [AFMUG] Hey guys... I'm baaaaack!

[Dan Petermann]

That sounds like Teligent. I used to work for them in the Miami area. Rode the 
gravy train into the ground on that one.

I knew they were going down when the announced “Project Bud”. Basically they 
wanted to tell the investors they had X number of buildings with an antenna. 
That is all they had, an antenna. No radio or other associated infrastructure. 

On Jan 6, 2016, at 4:54 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> If I remember right, they also didn’t qualify buildings very well, they 
> installed on a lot of small office buildings where they were never going to 
> be profitable.  It seems they were just staking out rooftops, not looking at  
> whether they could make money given the number and type of tenants.  It was 
> also around the time DSL was being rolled out, and some of those buildings 
> didn’t have a single tenant who needed more than what DSL could do.
>  
> They were smart in getting the leasing agent or building management to help 
> sell in return for free or discounted service, but if no one in the building 
> needs what you’re selling, that’s not a good business model, all expense and 
> no revenue.  Smarter would have been to only go where they already had a big 
> anchor tenant wanting service, or several smaller tenants ready to sign up.
>  
> Or maybe I’m thinking of Teligent.  I lump them together in my mind.
>  
> From: Eric Kuhnke
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 5:24 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hey guys... I'm back!
>  
> There are still a lot of abandoned Winstar 38 GHz radios on rooftops in 
> Seattle. That failed because, IMHO, it was just too early. The radios they 
> used were only DS3 capacity, and back in 1999 or so, routers capable of 
> building a metro OSPF+BGP+MPLS capable ring and spoke topology network were 
> costly (did you ever price a 7206XR with NPE-400 when those were top of the 
> line?).
> 
> With 1Gbps full duplex radios and routers that cost less than $700 per 
> building, it's a very different game. Combine that with the ability to bring 
> low cost 10GbE fiber fed circuits into key buildings to get network traffic 
> off microwave and onto proper backbone infrastructure. The 10GbE optical 
> interfaces go in the same $700 routers.
> 
>  
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Jaime Solorza  
> wrote:
> Sounds like ole Windstar playbook...lots of abandoned 31 and 38Ghz ptp radios 
> left on rooftops
> 
> On Jan 6, 2016 3:22 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:
> Increase the MRC for the customer significantly and this can be done (in a 
> dense central area of a city) with high-capacity PTP only, zero PtMP, using 
> 24, 60 and 80 GHz radios. 
> 
> Needs an access agreement for each rooftop that allows for a minimum of 3 
> radios on each roof so that you can build rings and redundancy.
>  
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Craig Schmaderer  
> wrote:
> I would like to know what kind of equipment you plan on using to deliver 
> those speeds at that price reliably.  I don’t think anything will do that in 
> pmp mode that I would consider business class quality.  So are you going to 
> be using a tone of license links at $7000 grand a pop?  Even at 100 mbps 
> plan, pmp 450 can not really do that, so what is your plan?  Please don’t say 
> Ubnt. 
> 
>  
> 
> Craig R. Schmaderer
> 
> CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
> 
> Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
> 
> Direct: 402-372-1052
> 
>  
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Judd Lists
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 6:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hey guys... I'm back!
> 
>  
> 
> Yes, commercial service mainly.  I might consider some residential, but I'm 
> going for the opposite end of the spectrum as I did when I started in this 
> industry 15 years ago.  Back then, I wanted to deliver the cheapest and 
> lowest cost service to anyone and everyone.  Now I'm focused on providing 
> only the top, highest quality service to the clients who are willing to pay 
> the price.  Oh.. and under promise, over deliver.
> 
> >From a customer perspective, I got a call yesterday from Comcast, to upgrade 
> >my 65Mbps to 150Mbps for $3/Month more than I'm currently paying and it 
> >would include TV and the online streaming/subscriptions, etc, for 
> >$69.95/Month.  They pump that to $85/Month after the 12 month contract is 
> >up.  They had a non-contract deal for $79/Month, same 150Mbps plan.
> 
> However, my business consulting clients pay $120-200/Month for just Internet 
> speeds from Comcast ranging from 18Mbps low end to 80Mbps high end at 
> $200-205/month.  That's the market I'll be after.
> 
>  
> 
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> You’ve been out of it for 5-7 years?  From your description, I hope you are 
> targeting business customers.  Otherwise, be prepared, residential customers 
> have become very “entitled” in the past 5-7 years.
> 

[AFMUG] Tower Cameras

[Dan Petermann]

We are looking for tower cameras to monitor our solar sites. We just want to be 
able to tell if we need to send someone out to clear off the snow.

Any recommendations? The cheaper the better but they must work in the cold.

Re: [AFMUG] Force110

[Dan Petermann]

Version 2.5.2

Looks like it was a browser issue.

Thanks!


On Dec 18, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> What version are you on?  I've always seen default at mcs15.  Are you sure it 
> isn't a browser problem?
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Dan Petermann <d...@wyoming.com> wrote:
> I have a link that will not allow me to set the “Uplink Max Rate” to anything 
> higher than MCS-11.
> 
> the link is up at -54dBm. Is there any reason I can’t do that?
> 

[AFMUG] Force110

[Dan Petermann]

I have a link that will not allow me to set the “Uplink Max Rate” to anything 
higher than MCS-11.

the link is up at -54dBm. Is there any reason I can’t do that?

[AFMUG] PTP820

[Dan Petermann]

Does the all outdoor 820 use single or multimode fiber?

Re: [AFMUG] Exalt ExtremeAir

[Dan Petermann]

They had taped over the feed horn and forgot to take the tape off. 


On Dec 8, 2015, at 3:47 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> You did check xmt power, right?  Accounting for any adaptive modulation/power.
>  
> From: Sam Lambie
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 4:43 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exalt ExtremeAir
>  
> multipath or on a side lobe. did you peak the signals in all 4 directions?
> 
>  
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Dan Petermann <d...@wyoming.com> wrote:
> We are installing a pair of ExtremeAir radios and are having an odd issue.
> 
> At one end the rx  is -41V / -31H.
> 
> The far end the rx is -35V / -32H.
> 
> Any idea what could cause a 10dB difference in polarizations?
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> -- 
> Sam Lambie
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] Exalt ExtremeAir

[Dan Petermann]

That could be it. I am not on site. The took the tape off of the antenna and 
gained 10dB on the V pol. The guys at the other end had already taken the tape 
off.


On Dec 8, 2015, at 4:05 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> Not sure what antennas you have, but all of our Radiowaves HP-EX dishes had a 
> piece of green mylar tape over the waveguide interface. It's just a 
> dust/moisture cover for shipping. Most of the Exalt install guides say to 
> take the tape off of the antenna if installed, and leave the tape on the 
> radio if installed.
> 
> On 12/8/2015 4:56 PM, Dan Petermann wrote:
>> They had taped over the feed horn and forgot to take the tape off.�
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 8, 2015, at 3:47 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> You did check xmt power, right?� Accounting for any adaptive 
>>> modulation/power.
>>> �
>>> From: Sam Lambie
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 4:43 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exalt ExtremeAir
>>> �
>>> multipath or on a side lobe. did you peak the signals in all 4 directions?
>>> 
>>> �
>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Dan Petermann <d...@wyoming.com> wrote:
>>> We are installing a pair of ExtremeAir radios and are having an odd issue.
>>> 
>>> At one end the rx� is -41V / -31H.
>>> 
>>> The far end the rx is -35V / -32H.
>>> 
>>> Any idea what could cause a 10dB difference in polarizations?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> -- 
>>> Sam Lambie
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com
>> 
> 

[AFMUG] Exalt ExtremeAir

[Dan Petermann]

We are installing a pair of ExtremeAir radios and are having an odd issue.

At one end the rx  is -41V / -31H.

The far end the rx is -35V / -32H.

Any idea what could cause a 10dB difference in polarizations?

Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

[Dan Petermann]

This is a pretty good article on stopping power. 
http://www.breachbangclear.com/the-truth-about-stopping-power-anatomy-first/

Here is a very short summary: Unless you separate the brain from the spinal 
column, one shot stopping power really isn’t true in most cases.


On Dec 7, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> I would agree that "bigger is better" if the energy transfer and temporal 
> cavity were that much different between 9mm and 45ACP, but in reality, they 
> are not.
> 
> Now if you step up to a hand cannon like a 44mag or .500SW, that's a bit 
> different... but good luck concealed carrying those on a hot summer day.
> 
> I'll leave you with this, for some "light reading" on handgun calibers, 
> temporal cavities, rounds to incapacitate, etc. 
> http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power
> 
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> I carry a Colt 45 Defender. It is relatively small for a 45. An NSA buddy of 
> mine, who had been in several close range shootouts in his career asked me 
> one time why I carry a 45. I told him that I'd never been in a firefight. I 
> don't train in high pressure situations, and while I'm proficient at the 
> range, I don't train for situations like he did or the cops do. If I am in a 
> situation where I have to pull a gun, my adrenaline is going to be pumping 
> like crazy, and I may be moving to cover or trying to stay out of the way of 
> bullets myself. I may only hit what I'm shooting at once if I'm lucky. I want 
> the once to count. 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:30 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> define legally
> If a bear shits in the woods, will tight shoes cause callouses?
> 
> I dont know why any of you want these killing machines, the government has 
> guns, and we pay them to protect us. Your gun, if you hand it to a bad guy, 
> is 100% of the time going to be in the bad guys possession, and if that bad 
> guy happens to be 5, youve just given a child a handgun, are you saying we 
> should arm children? Why are you trying to kill children, children are the 
> future, teach them well and let them lead the way. 
> 
> 
> Imperialist scum be furthering decline humanity. Mighty leader will devour 
> you in fear. 
> 
> <12347623_1089257647751059_6729633631911655975_n.jpg>
> ​
> 
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> Can you legally own hand grenades?
>  
> From: Mathew Howard
> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 9:15 AM
> To: af
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why
>  
> you do if you want to conceal it... :P
>  
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> You don’t need a CC to carry a Springfield 30-06
>  
> From: Paul McCall
> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 9:03 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why
>  
> I am getting my CC permit (Florida) in a week or so.  I took an absolutely 
> excellent class from the main trainer at the Brevard county sheriff’s office. 
> 
>  
> 
> Now, I am looking for an excellent CC gun to use, as my long barrel Colt 38 
> is not a good fit for that. 
> 
>  
> 
> I am certain that this group probably has a LOT of expertise (and many 
> opinions) on THE gun to use.
> 
>  
> 
> J  
> 
>  
> 
> Paul McCall, Pres.
> 
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
> 
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> 
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 
> 772-564-6800 office
> 
> 772-473-0352 cell
> 
> www.pdmnet.com
> 
> pa...@pdmnet.net
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
> 
> 

[AFMUG] PTP800 11GHz bands

[Dan Petermann]

Is there a document that shows the sub-bands for the 11GHz radios?

Re: [AFMUG] PTP800 11GHz bands

[Dan Petermann]

If you have the 6GHz plan it would be greatly appreciated!


On Dec 2, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> wrote:

> Here's the 40 MHz bandwidth plan - let me know if you need others
> 
> 40 MHz
> CHQ1  J1  
> 1 10735   11225   Band 5
> 2 10775   11265   Band 5
> 3 10815   11305   Band 5
> 4 10855   11345   Band 5
> 5 10895   11385   Band 6
> 6 10935   11425   Band 6
> 7 10975   11465   Band 6
> 8 11015   11505   Band 6
> 9 11055   11545   Band 7
> 1011095   11585   Band 7
> 1111135   11625   Band 7
> 1211175   11665   Band 7
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 5:24 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] PTP800 11GHz bands
> 
> Is there a document that shows the sub-bands for the 11GHz radios?

Re: [AFMUG] Cable loss question

[Dan Petermann]

I’d use LDF4.5-50a, (5/8” heliax), loss at 3650MHz is 3.5dB/100’. If its too 
stiff to bring right into the antenna and AP, then use short LMR-400 jumpers.

http://www.commscope.com/catalog/andrew/product_details.aspx?id=1330



On Dec 1, 2015, at 3:38 PM, Jay Weekley  wrote:

> Yes, 3.65ghz.  Purewave/Mercury Networks just responded and you and George 
> are right.  They said that we would see an 8-10 dBm difference between the 
> uplink and downlink RSSI.
> 
> Mathew Howard wrote:
>> This is at 3.65ghz? 5.6db sounds about right to me for 60'. It is a big 
>> performance hit, but if they do have 1/2 watt per port, you might be able to 
>> raise the tx power enough to still be close to the max EIRP... of course 
>> you'll still be losing 6db on the receive side.
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Jay Weekley > > wrote:
>> 
>>Yes, from the base station to the sectors.
>> 
>>Josh Luthman wrote:
>> 
>>Is it LMR400 between the sectors and the radio gear? 5.6db
>>sounds like a lot to me.
>> 
>>I'd definitely ask Purewave.
>> 
>> 
>>Josh Luthman
>>Office: 937-552-2340 
>>Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>1100 Wayne St
>>Suite 1337
>>Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Jay Weekley
>>
>>>>> wrote:
>> 
>>We are going to experiment with some Purewave equipment
>>that we
>>have had for a while and one of our possible locations is on a
>>water tank which means some of the LMR-400 to the sectors
>>may be
>>quite long. The loss calculator provided by Purewave shows
>>that
>>the loss on 60 feet of coax is 5.6 dB with Cable Run
>>Efficiency of
>>31.6 %.   Is this acceptable?  I haven't worked with coax
>>much but
>>that seems like that's a big performance hit considering
>>the loss
>>on 6 feet is .7 dB and a cable run efficiency of 89.1 %. 
>> What is
>>the performance hit the actual signal strength at the on the
>>actual wireless link?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

[AFMUG] Ceragon IP 20

[Dan Petermann]

Have these radios been out long enough to go thru a winter or two?

I like the specs of the radio except for the temp specs.

I’m curious if anyone has had these up in -40 to -45F temps.

Re: [AFMUG] LTE Speeds

[Dan Petermann]

LTE can be set for equal time or equal rate. Equal rate will drag down the 
thruput of all users. 

Equal time will only impact the user with a poor signal. If everyones signal is 
great and one users radio signal is bad, that user only gets the thruput that 
can be crammed into his timeslot because his modulation is low. Everyone else 
continues as normal.

At least that is my understanding.


On Nov 12, 2015, at 3:01 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> any system with 20mhz channels + two chains + 256QAM can claim 100mbps.
> Getting past that is going to be carrier aggregation (bigger channels) and 
> MU-MIMO.
> 
> 5x20mhz channels aggregated = 500mbps.
> 
> MU-MIMO can theoretically double capacity.  So there's your 1gig.
> I'm not clear on how far you can count on MU-MIMO.  In theory it sounds 
> promising.
> 
> and yes, one person at MIMO-A QPSK is going eat up many times the 
> capacity of a person at 256QAM MIMO-B no matter what wireless system you're 
> using.  The best defense against that will be don't install bad connections.  
> Nothing new there.
> 
> If you're going to use 100mhz, you could of course install 5 AP's of your 
> choice and claim you have a 500mbps system.
> 
> On 11/12/2015 4:47 PM, Matt wrote:
>> Hear talk of these 50 - 100+ mbps speeds per user and eventually 1
>> gbps.  How can LTE do that in 10 to 20 mhz of spectrum?  I assume if
>> you are offering 50 mbps package in a sector its safe to assume at
>> prime time there are going to be at the very least 10 people using it
>> in that sector at the same time?  Also assume some have less then
>> perfect connections to the tower using more air time.
> 

[AFMUG] PTP400

[Dan Petermann]

What does vector error indicate?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Campus Shootings

[Dan Petermann]

Its is the person, not the gun. 

Any number of household chemicals can be used to maim or kill. There are 
gasses, poisons and explosives that can be manufactured from legal to purchase 
chemicals.

The gun gets singled out because it it easy to conceal and has that “scary” 
factor. 

Should we outlaw baseball bats? How about knives? Maybe only "assault knives”, 
you know, those scary looking Rambo ones. 

Cars are a highly lethal weapon. I could kill more people with a car that I 
ever could hope to with an assault weapon. Football game and an monster truck 
anyone?

Any farmer has the capability to build a bomb like Timothy McVeigh, outlaw 
farmers?

Any mentally ill person (and lets face it, anyone bent on murder is mentally 
ill), will find a way. This is why I have a problem with the insanity defense. 
You are not guilty by reason of insanity, you are guilty, but insane.

Almost any object is a potential weapon. 

I live in an area where there is dangerous wildlife. Am I to be disarmed so I 
am unable to defend myself? There are grizzly bears, black bears, mountain 
lions, bob cats, wolves, & coyotes, all have been spotted fairly close to my 
house. So, because some people abuse a right, I am to give up mine?

Should we abandon the 1st amendment also because someone might yell fire in a 
crowded theater?

Lets control all speech because some people might misuse it.

Hmm, lets see, religion is a major contributor to problems of all kinds, lets 
let the state decide what religion we can be a member of. 

Other people call for the whole sale slaughter of others, so lets let the 
government decide what speech is allowable. 

I get really offended by what is written in the press so lets control that also.

Large groups of people assembled for a specific purpose frightens me so lets 
outlaw that too. 

How about the third amendment? Soldiers shouldn’t have to live in barracks, 
lets quarter them in your house.

4th? That pesky need for warrants, think of how many criminals could be put 
away if it wasn’t for the 4th amendment!

I would go on but I think you get the point. Just because someone might get 
injured, or afraid, or offended, or even have good intentions, it doesn’t give 
them a right to take away my rights. 

The right to defend one’s self is the most basic right of all.


On Oct 9, 2015, at 10:21 PM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

> Looking at this with a foreign view I can't understand this "gun love" in US. 
> It is not all about the criminals or idiots. Just look at the statistics for 
> accidents with weapons. The only way to save lifes is to be very restrictive. 
> If someone wants to shoot he can go to a shooting club and leave the weapon 
> there. It is not freedom to have a gun at home. It is silly esp. with kids 
> around.
> You can't avoid killing with banning weapons but you can reduce it. If I need 
> a weapon I call for police or security.

[AFMUG] OT: FM Safety

[Dan Petermann]

We have a client on a FM tower. 

FM is 50KW, clients 11GHz BH is 200’ below FM antenna.

Should we contact the FM station or should the power levels be in the safe 
range?

We have RF exposure meters. I’m just trying to cover the bases as the tower is 
4 hours away.

[AFMUG] Environmental specs

[Dan Petermann]

When listing the temp ratings of equipment, is it the ambient air temp or 
equipment temp that is listed?

I could see a situation where the air temp is -40 but due to the heat of the 
electronics the internal temp is, say -25.

Re: [AFMUG] 477 SAC and Filer IDs

[Dan Petermann]

I asked that question once and the answer I got was Hemp. 

I don’t think that is correct….


On Aug 31, 2015, at 3:10 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I've always wondered what the "H" stood for in that exclamation.
> He-man?  Holy? 
> 
> On 8/31/2015 5:07 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>> Jesus H christ!
>> 
>> This thing is still processing a 1k file
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
>> I had same problem yesterday. But after clicking few times it let me go pass 
>> that point without having numbers in those field.
>> 
>> Tushar
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 31, 2015, at 3:25 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> This website is making me put these two thing in, what are they, this is 
>>> different than the last round
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
>>> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
>> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
> 

Re: [AFMUG] FCC orders damages in Beehive Telephone affiliated shamtelecoms case

[Dan Petermann]

No, its “what difference at this point does it make!” Preferably in a shrill 
voice.

On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:36 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:

 No. Its,  I didn't do nothing!. 
 
 On Aug 26, 2015 11:33 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Thats right man, never admit nuthin to them feds!!
 
 I do not recall Thats all they need to know. :-)
 
 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:01 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
 Thankfully, in 2008 I negotiated a deal that got Beehive’s foot out of the 
 trap.  But I have not been at Beehive for 2 years.  Life is much more calm 
 for me these days. 
  
 The FCC is just plain wrong.  Beehive never ever created those other 
 companies nor was there any cross ownership or anything.  ATT was very good 
 at creating fiction and selling it to the regulators. 
  
 From: That One Guy /sarcasm
 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:44 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC orders damages in Beehive Telephone affiliated 
 shamtelecoms case
  
 Are you going to prison chuck? Will there be a movie made about you similar 
 to wolf of wall street?
  
 On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 5:57 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
 You got that right.  They are not called the Death Star for nothing. 
  
 From: Lewis Bergman
 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 2:55 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC orders damages in Beehive Telephone affiliated 
 shamtelecoms case
  
 That makes me glad I never billed ATT for the amounts they agreed to pay me 
 in the reciprocal compensation agreements. I figured at some point I would 
 violate some minor billing format requirement and I would spend another $150K 
 to keep from refunding the $30K I billed them.
  
 On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Sorry to hear that. Assholes.
  
 -Ty
  
 On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
 The fact is that Beehive did not create those entities.  But ATT convinced 
 the FCC otherwise.
 
 -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
 Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 12:13 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] FCC orders damages in Beehive Telephone affiliated 
 shamtelecoms case
 
 
 http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/sham-telecoms-created-to-scam-att-must-pay-back-ill-gotten-gains/
 
 or the original source documents cited in the article:
 
 https://prodnet.www.neca.org/publicationsdocs/wwpdf/fcc15106.pdf
 https://prodnet.www.neca.org/publicationsdocs/wwpdf/fcc1338.pdf
 
 
  
 
 
  
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 325-439-0533 Cell
 
 
  
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Re: [AFMUG] CNUT

[Dan Petermann]

I haven’t. Seems to only happen on 450 radio.


On Aug 17, 2015, at 7:35 AM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bump. Anyone else having this issue? Dan, did you find a resolution?
 
 On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com wrote:
 I have “Gather SM Passwords and Extract IP Address and SNMP Settings” 
 checked. CNUT seems to totally ignore this and gather the LUID data. Is this 
 a bug in 4.8.1?
 
 Anybody else run into this problem?
 
 I’ve uninstalled / reinstalled and the problem remains.
 

Re: [AFMUG] CNUT

[Dan Petermann]

Unfortunately, no. Its been at the bottom of the pile as far as priorities go.


On Aug 17, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dan, looks like you are correct. Broken for 450 AP's. Aside from manually 
 entering the IP for each SM, did you find an easier work-around for this bug?
 
 On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com wrote:
 I haven’t. Seems to only happen on 450 radio.
 
 
 On Aug 17, 2015, at 7:35 AM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Bump. Anyone else having this issue? Dan, did you find a resolution?
 
 On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com wrote:
 I have “Gather SM Passwords and Extract IP Address and SNMP Settings” 
 checked. CNUT seems to totally ignore this and gather the LUID data. Is this 
 a bug in 4.8.1?
 
 Anybody else run into this problem?
 
 I’ve uninstalled / reinstalled and the problem remains.
 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] PCN Advice

[Dan Petermann]

Yep

http://www.radiowaves.com/en/product/shp6-6


On Aug 13, 2015, at 5:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 72 ftb?!
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 On Aug 13, 2015 7:04 PM, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com wrote:
 Thanks!
 
 the coordinator we use said we had to use a high performance dish  30dB cross 
 pol and F/B of 72dB, yet they are spec’ing a 4’ dish on a 41 mile link.
 
 
 On Aug 13, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 
 Call your coordinator.  Give them the job number.  Verify it won't be a 
 problem.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 On Aug 13, 2015 6:23 PM, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com wrote:
 I just received a PCN on a site where 6GHz is very congested.
 
 The link I am concerned with is 29.65MHz away from our existing link and 
 opposite polarity. Their far end is 3.73 degrees away from ours in azimuth. 
 Their near end is 273’ away.
 
 Thoughts?
 Concerns?
 
 
 

[AFMUG] PCN Advice

[Dan Petermann]

I just received a PCN on a site where 6GHz is very congested.

The link I am concerned with is 29.65MHz away from our existing link and 
opposite polarity. Their far end is 3.73 degrees away from ours in azimuth. 
Their near end is 273’ away.

Thoughts?
Concerns?

Re: [AFMUG] PCN Advice

[Dan Petermann]

Thanks!

the coordinator we use said we had to use a high performance dish  30dB cross 
pol and F/B of 72dB, yet they are spec’ing a 4’ dish on a 41 mile link.


On Aug 13, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Call your coordinator.  Give them the job number.  Verify it won't be a 
 problem.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 On Aug 13, 2015 6:23 PM, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com wrote:
 I just received a PCN on a site where 6GHz is very congested.
 
 The link I am concerned with is 29.65MHz away from our existing link and 
 opposite polarity. Their far end is 3.73 degrees away from ours in azimuth. 
 Their near end is 273’ away.
 
 Thoughts?
 Concerns?
 
 

[AFMUG] GPS Timing

[Dan Petermann]

What is the minimum amount of satellites needed for a proper GPS sync pulse?

And does that differ across products (CMM, CTM, SyncPipe, etc.)?

Re: [AFMUG] PTP 650 Sets New Wireless Broadband Link Record of 245km

[Dan Petermann]

Well, you can advertise that you sell a 450Mbs radio that holds the world 
record for distance and let your customers infer that they mean 450Mbs at that 
distance.


On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:43 AM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Again, I see no point in records as it relates to the WISP business anyway. 
 Anytime I hear about a record distance, and not a record amount bandwidth it 
 makes me think somebody doesn't understand our business.
 
 On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Ron Marosko r...@rjr-services.com wrote:
 Back in 1991, radio amateurs were able to set a narrowband distance record of 
 3,982km on 5760MHz utilizing the well-known sporadic transpacific 
 tropospheric duct between the Los Angeles area and the big island of Hawaii. 
 (Reference: http://www.arrl.org/distance-records)
 
  
 
 I suppose it will only be a matter of time before some radio amateurs decide 
 to get some broadband equipment on either end of this path and show Cambium 
 how puny a 245km link really is. ;-)
 
  
 
 …Ron NN5DX
 
  
 
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
 Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:15 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 650 Sets New Wireless Broadband Link Record of 245km
 
  
 
 burrn
 
 On 8/10/2015 9:59 AM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote:
 
 Maybe it only has the Lite license.  ;.
 
  
 
 Cheers,
 
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 Silo Wireless Inc.
 
 Email  andr...@silowireless.com
 
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 original message and all copies.
 
  
 
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: August 10, 2015 9:36 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 650 Sets New Wireless Broadband Link Record of 245km
 
  
 
 Am I reading that right, 45 MHz for 30 megabit? I know it's a long distance, 
 but what was the throughput limitation? Signal to noise? What were the 
 identified noise sources? Local, along the path, remote, etc?
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange
 http://www.midwest-ix.com
 
 
 
 From: Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com
 To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 2:54:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 650 Sets New Wireless Broadband Link Record of 245km
 
 We were using 3 ft. standard performance dishes from tire-mount masts at 5.8 
 GHz.  
 
 Ran the link at 5, 30 and 45 MHz channels and had receive signals of 
 approximately -76 dBm even while battling some pretty heavy winds.   We were 
 running a high-def video link and a VoIP server over the channel.   
 Consistently stayed above 30 Mbps which is what we had designed the link for. 
  The link was established with both PTP 650 and PTP 700.
 
 The link came up fast and we were testing out the applications after less 
 than an hour on site.
 
  
 
 LINKPlanner does take the curvature of the earth (and altitude) into 
 consideration.
 
  
 
 Join the Conversation
 
 Cambium Networks Community Forum
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Lewis Bergman
 325-439-0533 Cell

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium: Your web site sucks.

[Dan Petermann]

+∞
On Aug 6, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Brian Meredith br...@mailinglists.softcom.net 
wrote:

 Trying to fill out a support request and it doesn't seem to accept the 
 request.  Captcha field turns red and just reloads, even though I'm 100% sure 
 I'm putting in the correct entry.
 Having to fill out a stupid contact form every time I want to download a data 
 sheet.  Can't you put them up in the support section for registered customers?

[AFMUG] Install Color code link test

[Dan Petermann]

Does anyone know if you can run a link test using the install color code?

[AFMUG] OT: DSL aggregation

[Dan Petermann]

Does anyone know of a product that can aggregate 3 DSL lines to appear as 1 
30Mbs connection?

Re: [AFMUG] 320 fade

[Dan Petermann]

A drone with a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range

On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Im down with drones filled with agent orange. It makes it totally legit 
 because our logo is orange
 
 On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
 Internet is a basic human right now, so we should be able to use eminent 
 domain to condemn trees and crops that interfere with the signal.  I am 
 thinking Judge Dredd with a chainsaw and a sprayer full of Roundup.  Wait, 
 the crops are resistant to Roundup.  Maybe a drone with Agent Orange.  That 
 might work on the trees, too.
  
  
 From: That One Guy /sarcasm
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 1:54 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 320 fade
  
 Ive got a guy at the AP right now verifying the connections, I was really 
 kind of hoping in the back of my mind we had just gotten a bad batch of 
 leads. Not looking that way.
  
 Our corn is hydroponic this year, farmers will be harvesting from boats
  
 On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
 Probably the same thing we’ve been dealing with in 5 GHz, reflections off the 
 field corn.  In our area the corn is starting to tassel and is probably near 
 max height.  I assume you have had tons of rain this year same as us, so the 
 crops are very juicy, and also have been growing inches per day.
  
 Try sending a guy out and moving the SM up and down +/- about 2 feet to see 
 if there is a sweet spot that gets you back your 20 dB.  Unless you are 
 talking about fades that only happen at sunup/sundown.
  
 Easiest at a location where the SM is mounted on a pole so you can just slide 
 it up and down.
  
  
 From: That One Guy /sarcasm
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 1:20 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] 320 fade
  
 Is anybody else seeing an insane amount of fade on 320 APs since about june 
 16, im in central illinois, seeing it particularly strong on APs facing 
 south, though I dont know if that matters, we are talking 20db fade
  
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Re: [AFMUG] EBS/BRS Spectrum Lease Auction Webinar today at 12:00 pm CDT

[Dan Petermann]

is it just me, or does the register link not work?

On Jul 16, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@fibertothefarm.com wrote:

 Licensed Broadband Spectrum Webinar
 Presented by Bob Finch of Select Spectrum
  
 Event status:
 Not started (Register)
 Date and time:
 Thursday, July 16, 2015 12:00 pm 
 Central Daylight Time (Chicago, GMT-05:00) 
 Change time zone
 Duration:
 1 hour
 Description:
 Select Spectrum has planned its second 2.5 GHz Spectrum Lease Auction for 
 later this year. Robert Finch will describe the licenses, their use for fixed 
 and mobile broadband and the opportunity for Wireless Internet Service 
 Providers to acquire license rights at moderate cost. Bob is President of 
 Select Spectrum and former VP of Spectrum Development for Sprint.
  
  
 Respectfully,
  
 Rick Harnish
 Broadband Consultant  Industry Analyst
 260-307-4000 cell
 Skype: rick.harnish.​
 Twitter: @rharnish

Re: [AFMUG] EBS/BRS Spectrum Lease Auction Webinar today at 12:00 pm CDT

[Dan Petermann]

Thank you!

On Jul 16, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@fibertothefarm.com wrote:

 https://ispsupplies.webex.com/mw0401lsp13/mywebex/default.do?nomenu=truesiteurl=ispsuppliesservice=6rnd=0.27775875353813373main_url=https%3A%2F%2Fispsupplies.webex.com%2Fec0701lsp13%2Feventcenter%2Fevent%2FeventAction.do%3FtheAction%3Ddetail%26confViewID%3D1753206084%26%26EMK%3D4832534b00026c6091c238dc8aba7d2b55372cf3c2579807528cd520788c4b6636b70a081863%26%26encryptTicket%3DSDJTSwJsuI0oI_1tDjexlXCIIpEXIUgi29H7eNxjCEyGFMHTdg2%26%26siteurl%3Dispsupplies
  
  
 Respectfully,
  
 Rick Harnish
 Broadband Consultant  Industry Analyst
 260-307-4000 cell
 Skype: rick.harnish.​
 Twitter: @rharnish
  
  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann
 Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 12:59 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EBS/BRS Spectrum Lease Auction Webinar today at 12:00 pm 
 CDT
  
 is it just me, or does the register link not work?
  
 On Jul 16, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@fibertothefarm.com wrote:
 
 
 Licensed Broadband Spectrum Webinar
 Presented by Bob Finch of Select Spectrum
  
 Event status:
 Not started (Register)
 Date and time:
 Thursday, July 16, 2015 12:00 pm 
 Central Daylight Time (Chicago, GMT-05:00) 
 Change time zone
 Duration:
 1 hour
 Description:
 Select Spectrum has planned its second 2.5 GHz Spectrum Lease Auction for 
 later this year. Robert Finch will describe the licenses, their use for fixed 
 and mobile broadband and the opportunity for Wireless Internet Service 
 Providers to acquire license rights at moderate cost. Bob is President of 
 Select Spectrum and former VP of Spectrum Development for Sprint.
  
  
 Respectfully,
  
 Rick Harnish
 Broadband Consultant  Industry Analyst
 260-307-4000 cell
 Skype: rick.harnish.​
 Twitter: @rharnish

Re: [AFMUG] heat cutoff for installers

[Dan Petermann]

Crack! Crack is what they need.

Judging by the time I spent in Florida installing 18  24GHz links for 
Teligent, crack is what you need.

Every rooftop I was on that had recently been re-roofed was covered in crack 
vials. 

If nothing else, they will be happy and they won’t quit as they will lose their 
supplier.

On Jul 14, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 You should also be fully clothed... light long sleeve shirt, pants.  Look at 
 roofers.  They work around hot tar all day in the same heat... look how they 
 dress.  They do so for a reason.  I do so also because I am fair skinned and 
 sunburn easy.  Don't forget sunscreen as well.
 
 When I used to climb towers regularly... I wore a camelback under my harness 
 so that there would be a reminder to drink water by my mouth all the time.  I 
 think most climbers don't drink enough water because the bottle is in a bag 
 somewhere and you simply forget to take the time to hydrate.
 
 Thank you,
 
 Daniel White
 afmu...@gmail.com
 Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
 Skype: danieldwhite
 Social: LinkedIn: Twitter
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 9:34 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] heat cutoff for installers
 
 On 7/14/15 7:52, Sean Heskett wrote:
 For us that is a safety issue and if the guy doing the work feels like
 it's an unsafe condition then the work stops.  Same as if it's too
 windy to climb a tower or too cold in the winter.
 
 My guys aren't wimps tho and they'll usually keep going past when I
 think it's safe and tell them to quit working.
 
 If it's too hot then adjust their schedules to start earlier if you
 need to and quit earlier.  No need to die for the freakin
 interwebs...Facebook can wait.
 
 
 I've done all day work on rooftops in 105 degree heat. Where people go
 wrong is failing to stay hydrated by thinking a soda at lunch is good enough.
 And working at a steady pace, not running around like a moron as fast as
 possible.
 
 ~Seth
 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] A creative use for UBNT gear

[Dan Petermann]

you could just go there and tell them you work for the phone company and gain 
access to the phone closet and put it there. Even make up a employee card in 
case they want proof.

Place it inside an old wifi router case with labels stating “do not unplug” 
“internet service” and tell them you are doing so. 

People are dumb and really won’t check nor care.

A company I used to work for had me mapping rooftops of buildings using a 
trimble setup. It was contained in an orange vest / backpack with a GPS 
receiver on a pole sticking above my head. I got so tired of people asking me 
questions that I started telling them I worked for the NRC (Nuclear Regulatory 
Commission) and there were complaints of radiation in the area and I was tasked 
to find it. That usually stopped all questions and I would ask where the 
management office was. People seem to get very helpful and friendly after that.



On Jul 2, 2015, at 11:46 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Its bound to get called in as a bomb.
 
 On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 12:22 PM, James Howard ja...@litewire.net wrote:
 It’s bound to work because nobody at the public library or Starbucks would 
 ever pay any attention to these things plugged in “in a dark corner” and left 
 there…..
 
  
 
 image001.jpg
 
  
 
  
 
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 12:02 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] A creative use for UBNT gear
 
  
 
 Well maybe not that creative…
 
  
 
 http://www.wired.com/2015/07/online-anonymity-box-puts-mile-away-ip-address/
 
  
 
 Daniel White
 
 (303) 746-3590
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] 3650 registration

[Dan Petermann]

Thank you very much!

On Jul 1, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Matt Mangriotis 
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote:

 Why yes there is… there is a FCC Registration walkthrough at:
  
 https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/#r3
 Let me know if you are still missing any information.
  
 Matt
  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann
 Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 10:27 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] 3650 registration
  
 Is there someplace on the Cambium website that has a tutorial on registering 
 locations?
  
  
 I need the following info:
 Transmit antenna transmission code
 Transmit antenna transmission code if others apply?
 Digital Modulation type
 The specific band within the 3.65 band

[AFMUG] 3650 registration

[Dan Petermann]

Is there someplace on the Cambium website that has a tutorial on registering 
locations?


I need the following info:
Transmit antenna transmission code
Transmit antenna transmission code if others apply?
Digital Modulation type
The specific band within the 3.65 band

Re: [AFMUG] Gtek Communications deploys PMP 450

[Dan Petermann]

I had spec’d out KPP in the past but I’m done with them. 

The last 450 site I put up I used the Cambium antennas. They were dead on as 
installed when we tested the coverage. That is something I cannot say about the 
KPP antennas we used in the past. 



On Jun 19, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 Am I the only one who actually uses the Cambium sector antennas?  Nothing 
 against KPP, I’m just not sure what the difference is.  Price?  Availability? 
  Or ease of swapping out the AP without touching the sector?
  
 I wonder in this case since it’s a 6 AP cluster, was it to use narrower 
 sectors?  We just did a 6 AP tower and used the “90 degree” sectors (65 
 degrees at 3 dB points) with ABCABC frequency reuse.  Cambium used to say 
 this was a no-no but I think they revised this quite awhile ago and said it 
 was fine.
  
  
 From: Josh Luthman
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 10:59 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gtek Communications deploys PMP 450
  
 No mention of WB for the hardware to make that setup possible?!
  
  
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
  
 On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com 
 wrote:
 Justin Aragon shares details of his network covering South Texas at 
 http://bit.ly/1FrijiD .
 
  
 
 Ray
 
  
 
 Join the Conversation
 
 Cambium Networks Community Forum
 
  
 
  

Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?

[Dan Petermann]

On Jun 12, 2015, at 3:07 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

 So much for airMax? And there's no windload, so why would it need bricks at 
 all?
 
 On 6/12/2015 2:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 Right but there's only one side of the link...so there's the distance issue.
 
 Also why would they need that many blocks?  Isn't the moon's gravity 1/6?
 
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com wrote:
 Eh?
 https://www.facebook.com/ubiquiti/photos/pb.140563119297621.-220752.1434137835./481983171822279
 
 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
 wrote:
 First unlicensed link in space???  First unlicensed link on the moon!!! 
 Please Ubnt.
 
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Hey put one on an air balloon like Alvarion did.or ISS
 
 Jaime Solorza
 
 On Jun 12, 2015 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 Ya good point.  The article is boasting distance.  Not speed/distance.
 
 Why don't you guys simply ship some AF5x radios to the guys with the XR5 
 routerboards???
 
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
 Still didn't beat your own distance record.  :-p
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 From: Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 2:12:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
 
 I remember that, but... 155Mbps vs 5Mbps? ;) 
 
 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
  August 27, 2007 A new world record distance for a 5 GHz Wi-Fi link has 
 been achieved by the Italian Center for Radio Activities (C.I.S.A.R), and 
 Ubiquiti Networks, a leading innovator in outdoor wireless broadband 
 solutions. The distance of 304km (188.89 miles) was established from 
 Sardinia Island to Central Italy achieving data-rates of about 5Mbps, using 
 Ubiquiti’s XtremeRange5 (XR5) High-Power Carrier Class mini-PCI radio module 
 and 35dBi 5 GHz parabolic dish antennas.
 
 from: http://www.gizmag.com/go/7878/
  Josh Reynolds
 CIO, SPITwSPOTS
 www.spitwspots.com
 On 06/12/2015 10:36 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 So back to the original post...  didn't Travis have a link in that area with 
 a pair of Trango radios? I think MT\UBNT AirMax have something that long in 
 one of those other areas I mentioned.
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
 To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com
 Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 9:27:08 AM
 Subject: [AFMUG] AF5x Record?
 
 I'm not sure that this is a record, but no doubt close. Travis Johnson had 
 something close in Idaho. I thought someone in South America and Italy had 
 links in that area.
 
 
 http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ubiquitir-airfiberr-5x-sets-a-new-world-distance-record-for-wireless-broadband-2015-06-10
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange
 http://www.midwest-ix.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[AFMUG] CNUT

[Dan Petermann]

I have “Gather SM Passwords and Extract IP Address and SNMP Settings” checked. 
CNUT seems to totally ignore this and gather the LUID data. Is this a bug in 
4.8.1?

Anybody else run into this problem?

I’ve uninstalled / reinstalled and the problem remains.

Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment

[Dan Petermann]

I build my own Macs. 

Much cheaper and I don’t have to infect the hardware with windows. 

On May 16, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Nothing personal intended. I apply it equally to all Apple users.
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 From: Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 2:51:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment
 
 Guys, there is no need for personal attacks here. I thought this was a 
 friendly debate. How about we agree to disagree. 
 
 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield
 
 On May 16, 2015, at 1:20 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You got that right!!!
 On May 16, 2015 2:16 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
 
  The only thing that works best on Apple products are idiots.
 
 
 
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
  
  From: Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 2:11:41 PM
 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment
 
  I'm the farthest right wing conservative you're likely to ever meet, not 
  rich but not poor, and white. I only use PC if there is an absolute reason 
  for it...and that is extremely rare. All of the best networking tools work 
  best on mac.
 
  Thank you,
  Brett A Mansfield
 
   On May 16, 2015, at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
   
   Apples, (black)Lincolns and Birkenstocks are for rich liberal democrats.
   
   PCs (specifically Dells), white Cadillacs and Ostrich Boots are for rich 
   conservative republicans.
   
   Republican boys like to date democrat girls but marry republican girls 
   (and later cheat with democrat divorcees).
   
   Democrat girls like to date democrat boys but they are all too poor and 
   stoned and majoring in liberal arts or political science.
   
   Republican girls just run around with each other getting drunk until some 
   republican boy sobers up enough to ask them for marriage.
   
   Poor republican boys get reality shows involving guns, mud, moonshine and 
   wrestling animals in a swamp.
   
   Poor democrat boys wear shirts with political causes printed on them, 
   hang out with Goth cutter girls and smoke cigarettes.
   
   Give a republican boy a welder and he will make a swamp buggy out  of an 
   old VW.
   Give a democrat boy a welder and he will turn it into an objet d'art 
   symbolizing the military industrial oppression of the worker.
   
   And that  is why there are so many apple haters here...
   
   -Original Message- From: Brett A Mansfield
   Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 12:43 PM
 
   To: af@afmug.com
   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment
   
   I buy all of my groceries at Walmart and most of my electronics at apple. 
   There are a lot of apple haters on here it seems.
   
   I can walk a customer through setting up their AirPort Extreme a lot 
   easier than Asus, netgear, or dlink. The Apple interface never changes. 
   It's the same for every model. The others change their gui quite 
   frequently.
   
   Thank you,
   Brett A Mansfield
   
   On May 16, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
   
   I remember telling a customer he should either learn how to configure 
   his AirPort himself, get AppleCare, or get a regular router like a 
   Linksys or Netgear with a web GUI if he expected his ISP to provide 
   step-by-step phone support.
   
   He said he would go out and buy a non-Apple router.
   
   He came back with a TimeMachine.
   
   That's another thing I hate about Apple, they have to use special names 
   for ordinary things, so people don't compare prices.  So you don't have 
   a router, you have an AirPort.  You don't have an external hard drive, 
   you have a TimeMachine.
   
   But just like some people only shop at WalMart, some people only shop 
   for electronics at the Apple Store.  Probably the same people who buy 
   all their groceries at Whole Foods.
   
   
   -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
   Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 1:06 PM
   To: af@afmug.com
   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment
   
   No doubt.
   
   The least they could do is to give it a web GUI. Beyond me why it has to
   be some proprietary interface.
   
   bp
   part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
   
   On 5/16/2015 10:37 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
   On 5/16/15 10:17, Bill Prince wrote:
   
   Plus, for reasons that are not clear to me, Apple has to change the way
   the stupid AirPort admin tool works every month or two. So even if you
   knew how to set it up in August; come September it's a whole new ball 
   game.
   
   
   Software developers need to do something.
   
   ~Seth
   
 
 

[AFMUG] PMP450 control counts

[Dan Petermann]

I have an issue I’m trying to track down.

Does this look normal?

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Receive Control Count : 7