Re: [AFMUG] Licensed spectrum for utility companies

[John Woodfield]

Good luck.
 
They will implement 900mhz.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 4:06pm
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>, "memb...@wispa.org" <memb...@wispa.org>
Subject: [AFMUG] Licensed spectrum for utility companies



can anyone point me in the direction of what licensed spectrum is available and 
how to obtain the spectrum for electrical and water utility companies that want 
to do advanced metering.
our local co-op is about to deploy a 900Mhz system and they stated that they 
couldn't get any licensed spectrum.
Any and all advice is greatly appreciate!
Thanks,
Sean

Re: [AFMUG] WTS couple FSK radios

[John Woodfield]

There is an ISP auctions on Facebook that Jim/Dennis started you could try...
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 3:20pm
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WTS couple FSK radios



No big deal, I've got a monster dumpster to fill.




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Vlad Sedov <[ v...@atlasok.com ]( 
mailto:v...@atlasok.com )> wrote:


You almost have to pay someone to haul off FSK crap these days... lol


 Vlad


 On 4/1/2016 2:13 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Bump.  Anyone?  Couple bucks?




Josh Luthman
 Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:937-552-2340 )
 Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:937-552-2343 )
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Josh Luthman <[ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com )> wrote:



I just want these things gone, just need a decent offer
2x 5750 AP connectorized
 3x 5700 SM
 2x 2400 SM
 1x 900 AP
 1x 900 SM
Josh Luthman
 Office:[  937-552-2340 ]( tel:937-552-2340 )
 Direct:[  937-552-2343 ]( tel:937-552-2343 )
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Smart Meters

[John Woodfield]

Only effects those customers we had with less than -65 signal.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:59pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Smart Meters


I found out our power company is going to be rolling out smart meters in a big 
way in about 8 months.

 They are using Wimax as the backhaul to their collectors, then probably 900mhz 
from the collector to the meters.  They guy I talked to said they're still in 
product selection, but in other areas they went with the 900mhz mesh.

 How many of you were clobbered by these systems, and how many of you didn't 
notice the difference?

[AFMUG] White label data cards

[John Woodfield]

Has anyone been able to offer a cell data option to customers who you can't 
qualify for fixed service?
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP rant

[John Woodfield]

Lucky you. It is a known bug.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 11:55am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP rant



I've had no problems with DFS on any backhaul.  Epmp or Ubnt.
Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 23, 2016 11:51 AM, "Mathew Howard" <[ mhoward...@gmail.com ]( 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com )> wrote:

I don't think we're using DFS bands on any of our ePMP APs... but overall, I 
would say we've had far fewer problems with them than with UBNT M APs.


On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Josh Luthman <[ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com )> wrote:

>I hear a lot of people praising the old UBNT M gear for it’s consistant and 
>stable behavior now.
 
 
LOOLL




Josh Luthman
Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:937-552-2340 )
Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:937-552-2343 )
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Stefan Englhardt <[ s...@genias.net ]( 
mailto:s...@genias.net )> wrote:



I hear a lot of people praising the old UBNT M gear for it’s consistant and 
stable behavior now.
We tested it as soon as it came to market and considered it junk.
 
UBNT throws out hardware and then do the SW. At some time it is usable and 
stays usable.
Their AC gear is now usable (not in mixed mode as I have heard).
 
Starting with UBNT AC we had no RMA so far with 100 devices. With ePMP we had 
to test
the first batch as there were some defective devices. 
 
 
Von: Af [mailto:[ af-boun...@afmug.com ]( mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com )] Im 
Auftrag von John Woodfield
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. März 2016 13:23
An: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP rant
 
Thats a first, someone who claims UBNT is more stable than ePMP.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Stefan Englhardt" <[ s...@genias.net ]( mailto:s...@genias.net )>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 3:23am
To: "[ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )" <[ af@afmug.com ]( 
mailto:af@afmug.com )>
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP rant

We pull the plug now on our ePMP installations. We still have disconnects. 
Every day a disappointed customer calls.
We dont look at this anymore. We give them a Mikrotik or a UBNT AC to make them 
happy and take the ePMP SM back.
 
We had several problems with SW quality in the past. We had bad SMs we need to 
RMA. At some time it seems stable. Now problems
came back. Not sure it is SW or HW. We dont want to bother any longer. This 
gear is low quality no matter what is said by marketing.
 
We go UBNT AC now. Blazing fast webinterface, background channel scan and more 
speed on 20MHz Channels. Everywhere we use it
we have much better results than with ePMP. These ePMP fans want to tell 11ac 
is not needed as 256QAM is never achievable.
we see it at most of our installed cpes. If signal is to weak for 256QAM there 
are cheap dish-cpes.
 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP rant

[John Woodfield]

+1
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Joe Novak" <jno...@lrcomm.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 11:57am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP rant



the only time I have ever seen this stuff default is when water gets in the 
cable and resets the radio. every time we have traced it back to a failing 
cable.
Other then that... indirect lightening hits used to cause a lot of problems 
with UBNT. almost all our cable is now shielded with drain wire and the problem 
has mostly gone away. 


On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Adam Moffett <[ dmmoff...@gmail.com ]( 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com )> wrote:

My problem with M series is they seem to have a tendency to revert to default 
config during a thunderstorm.  

 I've also seen more than one once where after a thunderstorm the UBNT item at 
the tower is dead, but everything else is still up.  Someone could argue that's 
just dumb luck, but I don't think so.

 It's always been a decent option for cheap point to point, like when you need 
to extend a network between two buildings, or you have Line of Sight to your 
tower from a barn or detached garage.

 I also understand the Micro POP use case.  

 That said, my experience with M series was so unimpressive that I haven't 
bothered looking at their AC products very closely.  Maybe I will.



On 3/23/2016 10:48 AM, Stefan Englhardt wrote:

I hear a lot of people praising the old UBNT M gear for it’s consistant and 
stable behavior now.
We tested it as soon as it came to market and considered it junk.
 
UBNT throws out hardware and then do the SW. At some time it is usable and 
stays usable.
Their AC gear is now usable (not in mixed mode as I have heard).
 
Starting with UBNT AC we had no RMA so far with 100 devices. With ePMP we had 
to test
the first batch as there were some defective devices. 
 
 
Von: Af [[ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ]( mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com )] Im 
Auftrag von John Woodfield
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. März 2016 13:23
An: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP rant
 
Thats a first, someone who claims UBNT is more stable than ePMP.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


 -Original Message-
 From: "Stefan Englhardt" <[ s...@genias.net ]( mailto:s...@genias.net )>
 Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 3:23am
 To: "[ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )" <[ af@afmug.com ]( 
mailto:af@afmug.com )>
 Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP rant

We pull the plug now on our ePMP installations. We still have disconnects. 
Every day a disappointed customer calls.
We dont look at this anymore. We give them a Mikrotik or a UBNT AC to make them 
happy and take the ePMP SM back.
 
We had several problems with SW quality in the past. We had bad SMs we need to 
RMA. At some time it seems stable. Now problems
came back. Not sure it is SW or HW. We dont want to bother any longer. This 
gear is low quality no matter what is said by marketing.
 
We go UBNT AC now. Blazing fast webinterface, background channel scan and more 
speed on 20MHz Channels. Everywhere we use it
we have much better results than with ePMP. These ePMP fans want to tell 11ac 
is not needed as 256QAM is never achievable.
we see it at most of our installed cpes. If signal is to weak for 256QAM there 
are cheap dish-cpes.
 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP rant

[John Woodfield]

I've never had a dead ePMP out of the box. UBNT AC hardware is by means ready 
for DFS use.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:48am
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP rant




I hear a lot of people praising the old UBNT M gear for it’s consistant and 
stable behavior now.
We tested it as soon as it came to market and considered it junk.
 
UBNT throws out hardware and then do the SW. At some time it is usable and 
stays usable.
Their AC gear is now usable (not in mixed mode as I have heard).
 
Starting with UBNT AC we had no RMA so far with 100 devices. With ePMP we had 
to test
the first batch as there were some defective devices. 
 
 
Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von John Woodfield
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. März 2016 13:23
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP rant
 
Thats a first, someone who claims UBNT is more stable than ePMP.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Stefan Englhardt" <[ s...@genias.net ]( mailto:s...@genias.net )>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 3:23am
To: "[ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )" <[ af@afmug.com ]( 
mailto:af@afmug.com )>
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP rant

We pull the plug now on our ePMP installations. We still have disconnects. 
Every day a disappointed customer calls.
We dont look at this anymore. We give them a Mikrotik or a UBNT AC to make them 
happy and take the ePMP SM back.
 
We had several problems with SW quality in the past. We had bad SMs we need to 
RMA. At some time it seems stable. Now problems
came back. Not sure it is SW or HW. We dont want to bother any longer. This 
gear is low quality no matter what is said by marketing.
 
We go UBNT AC now. Blazing fast webinterface, background channel scan and more 
speed on 20MHz Channels. Everywhere we use it
we have much better results than with ePMP. These ePMP fans want to tell 11ac 
is not needed as 256QAM is never achievable.
we see it at most of our installed cpes. If signal is to weak for 256QAM there 
are cheap dish-cpes.
 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP rant

[John Woodfield]

Thats a first, someone who claims UBNT is more stable than ePMP.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 3:23am
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP rant




We pull the plug now on our ePMP installations. We still have disconnects. 
Every day a disappointed customer calls.
We dont look at this anymore. We give them a Mikrotik or a UBNT AC to make them 
happy and take the ePMP SM back.
 
We had several problems with SW quality in the past. We had bad SMs we need to 
RMA. At some time it seems stable. Now problems
came back. Not sure it is SW or HW. We dont want to bother any longer. This 
gear is low quality no matter what is said by marketing.
 
We go UBNT AC now. Blazing fast webinterface, background channel scan and more 
speed on 20MHz Channels. Everywhere we use it
we have much better results than with ePMP. These ePMP fans want to tell 11ac 
is not needed as 256QAM is never achievable.
we see it at most of our installed cpes. If signal is to weak for 256QAM there 
are cheap dish-cpes.
 

Re: [AFMUG] Two Airfiber 40 degrees off

[John Woodfield]

Next time Faisal asks something we'll all tell him to read the manual ;)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
> 
> "Ain't nobody got time for that"
> 
> 
> 
> ;)
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2016 11:41 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
>> Call me an idiot. I love these 'educational' threads... but I have to 
>> ask
>> 
>> Do you all start off by reading the Users Guide / Manual that comes with the 
>> Airfiber 24, one can download it from the UBNT website as well...
>> 
>> It is very concise and pretty clear in the different deployment options.. 
>> including what is needed (configuration wise) when putting multiple radios 
>> on the same tower...
>> 
>> :)
>> 
>> Regards.
>> 
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> 
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> 
>> From: "John Woodfield" <john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:25:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Two Airfiber 40 degrees off
>> Right. Full duplex doesn't need sync. Didn't realize they would run in HD. 
>> No idea why one would run them in HD mode
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Mar 20, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> They can run in half duplex mode. I know the AF24 can only use 100mhz 
>> channels, I'm not sure if that's the case for the AF24HD or not, but I 
>> believe it is.
>> 
>> Also, you don't really need sync with full duplex, as long as the other end 
>> can't see more than one of them and you keep all of them on the tower on 
>> either the high or the low channel, they should work fine.
>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:51 AM, John Woodfield <john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz> 
>>> wrote:
>>> How if they are full duplex?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Mar 20, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> These totally really sync.
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>>>> <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Do both the airfiber 24ghz non-HD and HD version use the same channel 
>>>> widths? Also are there two non overlapping channels in the 24ghz band or 
>>>> do these things totally really on sync for putting multiple units on 1 
>>>> tower?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Gino Villarini <ginovi...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> we have lots with 8-9 deg separation
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 3:03 PM -0700, "Jeremy" <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have heard people saying that you only need 8 degrees with these.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You can do this with the regular AF24 or the AF24HD, just ensure that 
>>>>>>> both units at the single location are either "high" or "low".
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 40 degrees azimuth only separation, or is there also an elevation 
>>>>>>> difference in the aim?  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Even 15 degrees azimuth can be enough.  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
>>>>>>>> <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Can I run two Airfiber 24Ghz units full duplex from one location if 
>>>>>>>> they are separated about 40 degrees?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Is this a standard feature of sync with GPS on the regular units? Or 
>>>>>>>> do I need the 1Gbps HD units?

Re: [AFMUG] Two Airfiber 40 degrees off

[John Woodfield]

Right. Full duplex doesn't need sync. Didn't realize they would run in HD. No 
idea why one would run them in HD mode

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> They can run in half duplex mode. I know the AF24 can only use 100mhz 
> channels, I'm not sure if that's the case for the AF24HD or not, but I 
> believe it is.
> 
> Also, you don't really need sync with full duplex, as long as the other end 
> can't see more than one of them and you keep all of them on the tower on 
> either the high or the low channel, they should work fine.
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:51 AM, John Woodfield <john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz> 
>> wrote:
>> How if they are full duplex?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 20, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> These totally really sync.
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>>>> <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Do both the airfiber 24ghz non-HD and HD version use the same channel 
>>>> widths? Also are there two non overlapping channels in the 24ghz band or 
>>>> do these things totally really on sync for putting multiple units on 1 
>>>> tower?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Gino Villarini <ginovi...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> we have lots with 8-9 deg separation
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 3:03 PM -0700, "Jeremy" <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have heard people saying that you only need 8 degrees with these.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You can do this with the regular AF24 or the AF24HD, just ensure that 
>>>>>>> both units at the single location are either "high" or "low".
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 40 degrees azimuth only separation, or is there also an elevation 
>>>>>>> difference in the aim?  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Even 15 degrees azimuth can be enough.  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
>>>>>>>> <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Can I run two Airfiber 24Ghz units full duplex from one location if 
>>>>>>>> they are separated about 40 degrees?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Is this a standard feature of sync with GPS on the regular units? Or 
>>>>>>>> do I need the 1Gbps HD units?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Two Airfiber 40 degrees off

[John Woodfield]

How if they are full duplex?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
> 
> These totally really sync.
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  
>> wrote:
>> Do both the airfiber 24ghz non-HD and HD version use the same channel 
>> widths? Also are there two non overlapping channels in the 24ghz band or do 
>> these things totally really on sync for putting multiple units on 1 tower?
>> 
>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>>> we have lots with 8-9 deg separation
>>> 
>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 3:03 PM -0700, "Jeremy"  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I have heard people saying that you only need 8 degrees with these.
 
> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Eric Kuhnke  
> wrote:
 
> You can do this with the regular AF24 or the AF24HD, just ensure that 
> both units at the single location are either "high" or "low".
> 
> 40 degrees azimuth only separation, or is there also an elevation 
> difference in the aim?  
> 
> Even 15 degrees azimuth can be enough.  
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
>>  wrote:
>> Can I run two Airfiber 24Ghz units full duplex from one location if they 
>> are separated about 40 degrees?
>> 
>> Is this a standard feature of sync with GPS on the regular units? Or do 
>> I need the 1Gbps HD units?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] I need a valium

[John Woodfield]

Responded to you offlist.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 10:30am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I need a valium


If I may ask John, what were your complaints?



On 3/16/2016 10:17 AM, John Woodfield wrote:
I wouldn't touch Telrad again if you paid me. That is a week of my life I'll 
never get back.
 
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


 -Original Message-
 From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" [ <par...@cyberbroadband.net> ]( 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net )
 Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 10:14am
 To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
 Subject: [AFMUG] I need a valium




Hate being a decision maker sometimes.
Love the cambium pmp450 roadmap.  I know several people are using pmp450 in 
3.65 and it works.  I also see now that a panel antenna is available based on 
the 450i in 3.65
I may have fallen in love with lte. Haven't seen the telrad talk yet.  Hear the 
new vendor does lte for roughly what we started our 900 network for back in 
2004.
Why would I choose lte over cambium ?
Would I?  I think the cambium pmp450 (in 3.65) has a better roadmapone gig 
aps by like 2017.
What if I choose the wrong product?
Convince me.
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
 From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" [ <jeffl...@att.net> ]( mailto:jeffl...@att.net 
)
 To: [ <af@afmug.com> ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
 Subject: [AFMUG] 450M
 Date: Wed, Mar 16, 2016 10:02 AM

450i is backwards compatible with 450 today.

 Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
[ jbroadw...@converge-tech.com ]( mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com )

 On Mar 16, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Brian Sullivan <[  ]( 
mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net )[ installe...@foxvalley.net ]( 
mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net )> wrote:


Just like FSK?

On 3/16/2016 7:40 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Backwards compatibility.With existing 450

Re: [AFMUG] I need a valium

[John Woodfield]

I wouldn't touch Telrad again if you paid me. That is a week of my life I'll 
never get back.
 
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 10:14am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] I need a valium




Hate being a decision maker sometimes.
Love the cambium pmp450 roadmap.  I know several people are using pmp450 in 
3.65 and it works.  I also see now that a panel antenna is available based on 
the 450i in 3.65
I may have fallen in love with lte. Haven't seen the telrad talk yet.  Hear the 
new vendor does lte for roughly what we started our 900 network for back in 
2004.
Why would I choose lte over cambium ?
Would I?  I think the cambium pmp450 (in 3.65) has a better roadmapone gig 
aps by like 2017.
What if I choose the wrong product?
Convince me.
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" <jeffl...@att.net>
To: <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] 450M
Date: Wed, Mar 16, 2016 10:02 AM

450i is backwards compatible with 450 today.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
[ jbroadw...@converge-tech.com ]( mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com )

On Mar 16, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Brian Sullivan <[ installe...@foxvalley.net ]( 
mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net )> wrote:


Just like FSK?

On 3/16/2016 7:40 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Backwards compatibility.With existing 450

Re: [AFMUG] I need a valium

[John Woodfield]

If you expect LTE 3ghz to be the silver NLOS bullet it is not.
 
Putting speeds aside for the moment. Lets just talk signal. Same tower, same 
height Telrad 3ghz LTE with the Alpha dual-slant sector within 1db signal as 
2.4 NBM2 on a UBNT 10db omni. 
 
LTE does not change physics. The sales guys want you to believe that. It ain't 
so.
 
So, if you can attain a -75 on a 2.4 omni on a tower it won't work worth 
anything. That same signal on LTE will rock.
 
If you think it was have equal penetration to 900mhz and be a replacement for 
your old FSK system, you are sorely mistaken.
 
Near line of site? Yes.
 
We had a very specific application that Patrick said without question would 
work. When it didn't it was a bad antenna, then it was bad jumpers, then it was 
a bad compact, finally they flew someone in who argued with it for a day and at 
the end of the day? You can't argue with physics.
 
The whole "watch it work at -110" is garbage too. They skewed the numbers by 
30db. Yes, it will work at -80, will it work well? YMMV.
 
In the end it was too expensive for the limited benefits we observed. They 
swear I'm the only one in the world it didn't work for in the same breath they 
swore it would work without any doubt.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Ty Featherling" <tyfeatherl...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 2:46pm
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I need a valium



Ditto. Hell, onlist would be fine too. I'm sure many of us would like to hear 
your experience.
-Ty






-Ty

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 12:49 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <[ par...@cyberbroadband.net 
]( mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net )> wrote:


 
I would like to know your complaints as well, please.  Thanks.  (offlist is 
fine)
 
- Original Message -
From: [ Adam Moffett ]( mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com )
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I need a valiumIf I may ask John, what were your 
complaints?



On 3/16/2016 10:17 AM, John Woodfield wrote:
I wouldn't touch Telrad again if you paid me. That is a week of my life I'll 
never get back.
 
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" [ <par...@cyberbroadband.net> ]( 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net%3E )
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 10:14am
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: [AFMUG] I need a valium




Hate being a decision maker sometimes.
Love the cambium pmp450 roadmap.  I know several people are using pmp450 in 
3.65 and it works.  I also see now that a panel antenna is available based on 
the 450i in 3.65
I may have fallen in love with lte. Haven't seen the telrad talk yet.  Hear the 
new vendor does lte for roughly what we started our 900 network for back in 
2004.
Why would I choose lte over cambium ?
Would I?  I think the cambium pmp450 (in 3.65) has a better roadmapone gig 
aps by like 2017.
What if I choose the wrong product?
Convince me.
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" [ <jeffl...@att.net> ]( mailto:jeffl...@att.net )
To: [ <af@afmug.com> ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: [AFMUG] 450M
Date: Wed, Mar 16, 2016 10:02 AM

450i is backwards compatible with 450 today.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
[ 312-205-2519 ]( tel:312-205-2519 ) Office
[ 574-220-7826 ]( tel:574-220-7826 ) Cell
[ jbroadw...@converge-tech.com ]( mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com )

On Mar 16, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Brian Sullivan <[  ]( 
mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net )[ installe...@foxvalley.net ]( 
mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net )> wrote:


Just like FSK?

On 3/16/2016 7:40 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Backwards compatibility.With existing 450

Re: [AFMUG] I need a valium

[John Woodfield]

"I'm just wondering whether that quality exists outside of Patrick Leary's 
imagination. At the moment I don't see it. "
 
I could have save time typing lol
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 4:53pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I need a valium


I wasn't going to bring up cost.  The cost of LTE is high, but there's nothing 
wrong with paying more to get quality.  I'm just wondering whether that quality 
exists outside of Patrick Leary's imagination. At the moment I don't see it.  


On 3/16/2016 4:46 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
Both are possible scenarios, but 1480 MTU is still just wrong when a pair of 
$48 ubnt nanostation m5 loco can do a cross-the-street 1600 byte MTU bridge.


On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Josh Reynolds <[ j...@kyneticwifi.com ]( 
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com )> wrote:
If they're wanting a layer2 tunnel, vpls it up. If they're wanting a
 layer3 ptmp/etree/eline/elan design (which is a much better solution
 anyway), why not just VRF it?

 On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Eric Kuhnke <[  ]( 
mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com )[ eric.kuh...@gmail.com ]( 
mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com )> wrote:
 > The small MTU immediately removes it from contention for certain
 > small/medium business last mile connections (sites that are too small for
 > their own PTP link, but more valuable in $$$/mo than a residential user).
 > This is because 1480 makes it impossible to do MPLS.
 >
 > There are all kinds of things that could require an EoMPLS tunnel such as a
 > centralized wifi captive portal system, or branch offices of the same small
 > government entity in a county (ex: Libraries, schools, whatever).
 >
 > Radio systems functioning as layer 2 bridges need to support 1600 byte MTU.
 > That's pretty much standard for all equipment these days. Even ubnt got
 > their act together and fixed the MTU issue, I believe it used to be not
 > larger than 1500 on the very earliest series of AirMax/N radios. Issue has
 > been fixed for a few years now.
 >
 > On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Adam Moffett <[  ]( 
 > mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com )[ dmmoff...@gmail.com ]( 
 > mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com )> wrote:
 >>
 >>


>> RSRP is how LTE systems measure signal.  I don't believe it's an
 >> intentional skewing on Telrad's part, but I'm sure it leads to plenty of
 >> misunderstandings.
 >>
 >> My experience over time has been that every vendor says their stuff works
 >> NLOS.  They can say that because they all DO work NLOS depending on how
 >> strictly you define "working".  I do believe that Telrad LTE works better
 >> than average at NLOS, but yeah I don't believe it would work everywhere, and
 >> I hope nobody believes that it makes extra signal power appear out of
 >> nowhere simply by being LTE.
 >>
 >> I'm actually more worried about...well...everything else.  There's so much
 >> focus on their NLOS claims that I think it has drowned out other discussion
 >> on the product.  For example:
 >>
 >> Is anyone else bothered that there is no documentation?
 >> Is anyone else bothered that the Gemtek CPE provides no status or control
 >> of the ethernet port?
 >> Has anyone else had the CPE lose configuration values after a firmware
 >> update (like the Wimax channel scan table and radius username, which you
 >> can't fix without a damn truckroll)?
 >> Has anyone else had to RMA BTS's that weren't particularly old?   I had
 >> two with RH alarms that were each less than a year old.  One with a corrupt
 >> file system after 3 days in the field.
 >> Has anyone had success using the ACS for automatic firmware updates of
 >> CPE?  Ours download the firmware, then lose contact with the server until
 >> they're rebooted (through the web GUI, or power plug).  After a reboot they
 >> do have the new firmware version, but it's no help if I have to touch them
 >> all.
 >> Anyone had tech support issues? They've closed our ticket about the ACS
 >> issue TWICE.  Both times saying, "Oh sorry, we thought that was working
 >> now." This has been an ongoing investigation since September by the way.
 >> Is anyone else troubled by the small MTU (max is 1480 I think)?
 >>
 >> I have tons of other complaints that are specific to the wimax firmware.
 >> Are we so impressed by NLOS that we don't need to discuss whether it's good
 >> at anything else?
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> On 3/16/2016 3:01 PM, John Woodfield wrote:
 >>
 >> If you expect LTE 3ghz to be the silver NLOS bullet it is not.
 >>
 >>
 &g

Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

[John Woodfield]

There is a smaller CCR but it runs around $400
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 4:01pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP



i can't get a 3011 to try, streakwave doesn't have stock, but i desparately 
need this, have a tower with high CPU usage on router and only a 2011 fill fit 
in the enclosure


On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Bill Prince <[ part15...@gmail.com ]( 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com )> wrote:
Funny. We were just talking about this yesterday. The 2011 is great for small 
POPs, except for the split 10/100 - 1000 ports. The 3011 would be perfect 
except it can only be had in a 19" rack form factor.

 Has anyone tried to stick the circuit board from a 3011 into a 2011 case? DC 
plant of course.

 bp
 <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>



On 3/11/2016 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
My rackmount 2011's will probably get replaced with 3011's, but they really 
need to bring out a smaller desktop 3011 as well.


 -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
 Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 2:23 PM
 To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

 Well that's news to me!  Holy crap. They should put a warning sticker on
 that.

 On 3/11/2016 2:20 PM, Joe Falaschi wrote:
The other thing to keep in mind with the RB2011 is what port things are plugged 
into.  Ports 6-10 only have a 100M aggregate link to ports 1-5. If the 
aggregate of ports 6-10 require more than 100M, you'll have issues there too.

Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

[John Woodfield]

+1. I've seen a pic of a desktop 3011 floating around somewhere. They REALLY 
need to get it released...
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 3:43pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP



My rackmount 2011's will probably get replaced with 3011's, but they really 
need to bring out a smaller desktop 3011 as well.


-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 2:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

Well that's news to me! Holy crap. They should put a warning sticker on
that.

On 3/11/2016 2:20 PM, Joe Falaschi wrote:
> The other thing to keep in mind with the RB2011 is what port things are 
> plugged into. Ports 6-10 only have a 100M aggregate link to ports 1-5. 
> If the aggregate of ports 6-10 require more than 100M, you'll have issues 
> there too.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[John Woodfield]

Rural, 1500 square miles +/-
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 12:07pm
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance



s/suburban/rural




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Josh Reynolds <[ j...@kyneticwifi.com ]( 
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com )> wrote:
Reading my own post, I'm pretty sure I need coffee. :(

 On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Josh Reynolds <[ j...@kyneticwifi.com ]( 
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com )> wrote:
 > Reading this posts, I'm pretty sure I can pick up here who is rural
 > and who is suburban / urban.
 >
 > On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Ty Featherling <[ tyfeatherl...@gmail.com 
 > ]( mailto:tyfeatherl...@gmail.com )> wrote:


>> 3 a day is a good balance I think. Even though we do more on occasion, the
 >> sweet spot for us is 3.
 >>
 >> -Ty
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> -Ty
 >>
 >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 10:52 AM, John Woodfield <[ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz 
 >> ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )>
 >> wrote:
 >>>
 >>> The question is finding the balance. The consensus I've heard is schedule
 >>> three a day. I was hoping the average was more but 3 sounds reasonable.
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> John Woodfield, President
 >>>
 >>> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
 >>>
 >>> 410-870-WiFi
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> -Original Message-
 >>> From: "Ben Royer" <[ operati...@royell.net ]( mailto:operati...@royell.net 
 >>> )>
 >>> Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 11:43am
 >>> To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
 >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance
 >>>
 >>> The basic thought process is if you pay a technician by the job, they are
 >>> naturally going to work faster, this could have benefits but also 
 >>> negatives.
 >>> More installs done in a day may equate to more income for your company, but
 >>> the adverse is your quality of install may be negatively affected by the
 >>> expedited work of the technician.  So if someone is saying their installer
 >>> does 5 installs in a day, is this an installer that’s paid by the job,
 >>> doesn’t do grounding, cuts corners, and only has to zip tie a radio to an
 >>> elbow, or is this a guy that’s paid hourly, does site testing, explains the
 >>> install to the customer, installs the radio on a pipe, on a tower, using
 >>> hose clamps and heavy duty brackets, then installs grounding, hooks up the
 >>> customer’s router and XBox, etc.  These two types of internet installs can
 >>> be drastically different, and essentially makes up two different business
 >>> models in our industry.
 >>>
 >>> Thank you,
 >>> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
 >>> Royell Communications, Inc.
 >>> [ 217-965-3699 ]( tel:217-965-3699 ) [ www.royell.net ]( 
 >>> http://www.royell.net )
 >>>
 >>> From: CBB - Jay Fuller
 >>> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 10:45 PM
 >>> To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
 >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> in the below discussion - what are you thoughts in detail on this?
 >>>
 >>> > way of predicting the amount of time to allow for a job.  The added
 >>> > factor to everyone’s answer that I would think has an effect on the
 >>> > productivity times is who is paying their techs hourly +OT, and who is
 >>> > paying their techs per job?  That to me can have a major factor in
 >>> > jobs per day.
 >>>
 >>> Thanks!
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> - Original Message -
 >>> From: Jay Weekley
 >>> To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
 >>> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 1:48 PM
 >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance
 >>>
 >>> There does seem to be a disconnect between the office staff and the
 >>> field staff regarding how long something should take.
 >>>
 >>> Ben Royer wrote:
 >>> > Interesting topic of conversation.  We run 1 man crews at our company,
 >>> > and it’s interesting to see this discussion as it’s constantly a topic
 >>> > brought up by both dispatch and the field techs.  The argument is
 >>> >

Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance

[John Woodfield]

The question is finding the balance. The consensus I've heard is schedule three 
a day. I was hoping the average was more but 3 sounds reasonable.
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Ben Royer" <operati...@royell.net>
Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 11:43am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance





The basic thought process is if you pay a technician by the job, they are 
naturally going to work faster, this could have benefits but also negatives.  
More installs done in a day may equate to more income for your company, but the 
adverse is your quality of install may be negatively affected by the expedited 
work of the technician.  So if someone is saying their installer does 5 
installs in a day, is this an installer that’s paid by the job, doesn’t do 
grounding, cuts corners, and only has to zip tie a radio to an elbow, or is 
this a guy that’s paid hourly, does site testing, explains the install to the 
customer, installs the radio on a pipe, on a tower, using hose clamps and heavy 
duty brackets, then installs grounding, hooks up the customer’s router and 
XBox, etc.  These two types of internet installs can be drastically different, 
and essentially makes up two different business models in our industry.
 
Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net


 

From: [ CBB - Jay Fuller ]( mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net )
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 10:45 PM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance
 


in the below discussion - what are you thoughts in detail on this?
 
> way of predicting the amount of time to allow for a job.  The added 
> factor to everyone’s answer that I would think has an effect on the 
> productivity times is who is paying their techs hourly +OT, and who is 
> paying their techs per job?  That to me can have a major factor in 
> jobs per day.
 
Thanks!
 
 
- Original Message -
From: [ Jay Weekley ]( mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net )
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Performance
 There does seem to be a disconnect between the office staff and the 
field staff regarding how long something should take.

Ben Royer wrote:
> Interesting topic of conversation.  We run 1 man crews at our company, 
> and it’s interesting to see this discussion as it’s constantly a topic 
> brought up by both dispatch and the field techs.  The argument is 
> always made that the allotted time frame for a job is not sufficient, 
> IE: jobs always take longer than scheduled.  Scheduling argues that it 
> is, however we need to operate more efficiently while doing the job, 
> IE: get there on time, cut down on chit chat, have all your equipment 
> needed, etc.  The calendar has been setup based on 16 years of 
> experience of doing installs, and it’s an average based time frame.  
> Granted, this time frame was increased when we started doing more 
> grounding, etc. Currently, we allow for 2 hour windows, where we 
> typically schedule a morning job, and and afternoon job, both are 
> installs, then we squeeze in repairs or other onsites after their 
> first morning job, or after their afternoon job, or we schedule two 
> fixes, one install in a day, or other combinations.  It’s a very 
> specific structure that our dispatching department follows.  On 
> average, I’d say our guys complete 2 installs and 1 fix a day, but 
> some guys are a little quicker than others.  Each job is different, so 
> as I am often reminding both the techs and dispatch, there’s no sure 
> way of predicting the amount of time to allow for a job.  The added 
> factor to everyone’s answer that I would think has an effect on the 
> productivity times is who is paying their techs hourly +OT, and who is 
> paying their techs per job?  That to me can have a major factor in 
> jobs per day.
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 [ www.royell.net ]( http://www.royell.net )
> *From:* John Woodfield <[ mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( 
> mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 04, 2016 10:56 AM
> *To:* [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) <[ mailto:af@afmug.com ]( 
> mailto:af@afmug.com )>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Installer Performance
>
> How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with 
> a single-man crew?
>
> John Woodfield, President
>
> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>
> 410-870-WiFi
>

Re: [AFMUG] Startups undercutting pricing

[John Woodfield]

True words. I don't think I have enough fingers and toes to count how many have 
come and gone the last 10 years. I'm sure not as many as Paul since I'm in the 
sticks...
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "can...@believewireless.net" <p...@believewireless.net>
Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 9:20am
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Startups undercutting pricing



Intentional interference is much different than a new competitor. It's easy to 
get started in this
business, but it's much more difficult to stay in this business.


On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Glen Waldrop <[ gwl...@cngwireless.net ]( 
mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net )> wrote:
I agree for the most part, but when someone else is playing dirty pool minding 
your own business is a good way to get in real trouble.

 This isn't terribly different than the previous string of emails about the 
competitor intentionally interfering with a preexisting WISP.



 -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
 Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 8:08 AM
 To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Startups undercutting pricing




+1

My advice would be to focus on your business and not what others do. Every 
minute you worry and fret about
 a competitor is time you aren't growing your own business.

 If they are starting off with a connection that could be shut off at some 
point, just be ready to take on their
 customers.

Re: [AFMUG] Startups undercutting pricing

[John Woodfield]

Ehh, I've been blamed for doing that in the past. Been on a tower for two 
years, new guy throws up gear and bitches that my frequencies that haven't 
change in two years are causing him interference. At least they have a 
legitimate upstream provider lol
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Glen Waldrop" <gwl...@cngwireless.net>
Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 9:18am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Startups undercutting pricing



I agree for the most part, but when someone else is playing dirty pool 
minding your own business is a good way to get in real trouble.

This isn't terribly different than the previous string of emails about the 
competitor intentionally interfering with a preexisting WISP.



-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 8:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Startups undercutting pricing


+1

> My advice would be to focus on your business and not what others do. Every 
> minute you worry and fret about
> a competitor is time you aren't growing your own business.
>
> If they are starting off with a connection that could be shut off at some 
> point, just be ready to take on their
> customers.

Re: [AFMUG] Startups undercutting pricing

[John Woodfield]

Doubtful considering he is taking business customers from them competing head to head.
 
 

John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi

-Original Message-From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 9:53pmTo: af@afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Startups undercutting pricing

" resell the Service or otherwise make available to anyone outside the Service Location(s) the ability to use the Service (for example, through WiFi or other methods of networking), in whole or in part, directly or indirectly, _unless expressly permitted by the applicable Business Services Agreement_;"
He may be one of the handful where Comcast has no plans to expand service in the area, but where they won't mind selling the guy a few hundred Mbps.
On Mar 6, 2016 8:46 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:



Call the business service division.  Have the sales guy come to your office to discuss buying their service. When he is in your office and turns you down, tell him the address of the guy reselling the service and the name if you have it.  I will bet $100 they have that guy shut down in 30 days.  Call me to collect if I’m wrong.
 
Rory
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasmSent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 7:04 PMTo: af@afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] Startups undercutting pricing
 
It's no different than the guys who exceed eirp, use channels not allowed, don't register 3ghz, etc, cheaters will always cheat.

On Mar 6, 2016 7:55 PM, "David Milholen" <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:

LOL...  Hold my Beer , Watch this!

On 3/6/2016 5:13 PM, John Woodfield wrote:


How do you deal with the startups they get a Comcast cable modem and start selling service? They can afford to undercut on pricing since they pay nothing for bandwidth and have no respect for doing things right...
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi

 

-- 

Re: [AFMUG] Startups undercutting pricing

[John Woodfield]

For a resellable connection (fiber) I pay $4.50 per meg. For a Comcast cable 
modem the cost is around $1 per meg. It cuts costs by $3.50 per meg to the 
customer. It isn't allowed by Comcast and gives competitor an unfair advantage.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 8:20pm
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Startups undercutting pricing



I don't see the issue..if they are paying for service what is wrong?  The cable 
providers know how much bandwidth they are getting out to them so they are 
billed accordingly.Maybe I missed something   
On Mar 6, 2016 4:13 PM, "John Woodfield" <[ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( 
mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )> wrote:

How do you deal with the startups they get a Comcast cable modem and start 
selling service? They can afford to undercut on pricing since they pay nothing 
for bandwidth and have no respect for doing things right...
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi

[AFMUG] Startups undercutting pricing

[John Woodfield]

How do you deal with the startups they get a Comcast cable modem and start 
selling service? They can afford to undercut on pricing since they pay nothing 
for bandwidth and have no respect for doing things right...
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] FW: [WISPA Members] FCC complaints

[John Woodfield]

Rory,
 
Can we get some context for this?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 1:05pm
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] FW: [WISPA Members] FCC complaints




This keeps getting filtered on WISPA, not sure why.  However, is the email that 
won’t go through.  
 
Rory
 


From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 7:51 AM
To: memb...@wispa.org
Subject: FW: [WISPA Members] FCC complaints
 
 
Whether we like it or not, it’s a good idea to know who the bad apples are.  I 
haven’t dealt with this guy in years but Mr. Malone is suffering greatly, 
especially financially.  He has gone through the legal process but there are 
always ways around it as he has learned.  There are those that do not have a 
moral or ethical foundation in their business dealings and they hurt those of 
us who try to run their company by those principles.  Those people need to be 
eliminated through legal means and intense pressure.  Sometimes a lesson needs 
to be taught the hard way.   I have no dog in this fight, I do however, think 
our industry takes a black eye with players like this.  For example, how many 
of us have had our signs stolen from competitors and then replaced in the exact 
same spot?  That’s kids play compared to this dude.  
 
Personally, I would go after this guy multiple ways simultaneously.  Go after 
his clients with literally free service if you have to.  Talk to the States 
Attorney General, file with the BBB, file complaints with D, knock on the 
door of every house with one of his antennas and steal the customer legally, 
get every ex-customer he has to hit them on Yelp (make sure you can prove he is 
doing it, not hard BTW, just pull the logs, check the MAC of the AP sending the 
disconnect, etc… and probably back it up with data from an analyzer), find the 
location of the transmitted signal and contact the FBI, contact Angies List, 
post his investors names everywhere and what kind of a dirtbag company they 
invested in, have your attorney notify them they could be in violation of 
fiduciary responsibility and can personally be sued if the Managing Member is 
found to be violating the law and they knew it (which they will when you notify 
them), hire his employees away and if you do, get whatever information you can 
assuming they aren’t under an NDA, find out who set up the transmitter since I 
know he didn’t, send them a cease and desist letter as well as hitting them 
with a restraining order, threaten with restraint of trade, etc…  Attack the 
pillars of the company, the employees (which I’d also go after individually 
either in a criminal or civil manner) and the investors, not the company itself 
since he would be who you are dealing with and and could filter what you do.  
As any lawyer will tell you, you don’t have to win a lawsuit, you just have to 
be able to financially battle longer. 
 
These are just a few thoughts off the top of my head, if you need more, let me 
know.
 
Rory
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] FS: 5Ghz ePMP subs

[John Woodfield]

Just one?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net>
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 4:22pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] FS: 5Ghz ePMP subs



Send me a best offer. Just didn't use them...
eBay item: 222026976697

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

[AFMUG] Installer Pay

[John Woodfield]

How are you compensating your installers? Hourly/salary/amount?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi

[AFMUG] Installer Performance

[John Woodfield]

How many new installs can your guys get done in a day on average with a 
single-man crew?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- Hypothetical

[John Woodfield]

I had this situation, in our case the links were unneeded and antiquated so we 
opted to replace them.
 
That probably doesn't help you but it was easiest for us.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "cjwstudios" <cjwstud...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 5:00pm
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Fixed Point to Point Microwave Stations License Requirements- 
Hypothetical





I have a hypothetical I would appreciate some opinions on, knowing no one is a 
lawyer;

If ISP A acquires ISP B's fixed microwave point to point stations which have 
operating licenses in an asset acquisition, and ISP B refuses to transfer said 
licenses to ISP A, which CFR or ruling governs ISP A's solution?  Since ISP A 
is now the operator of the control point they would be illegally operating the 
point to point stations without assuming them from ISP B, am I correct?

Any rulings, court cases, opinions would be super. Thanks in advance.

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations

[John Woodfield]

We started using Zotac Zbox i3/i5/i7 - whatever was cheap on eBay for desktops. 
They scream with a SSD. I'm using one now that is an i5 with triple screens. 
Doesn't miss a beat.
 
I started buying refurb Thinkpad T410's on eBay for $200 and I've been really 
happy with those. Again, with a SSD they do great.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 9:28am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Refurb Workstations



I have had nothing but good luck with refurb desktops from Tiger 
Direct. You can get very decent machines there for $300.

On the other hand, we had two refurb laptops in a row that were flat our 
broken. Not broken like "there's a cosmetic defect in the case," broken 
like "screen does not function" and "keyboard does not function."


On 3/2/2016 4:00 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> good place to buy refurb workstations? need to revamp our support 
> personnel PCs

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

[John Woodfield]

Buy a RF meter.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Christopher Gray" <cg...@graytechsoftware.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 3:02pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems





I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I 
understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for mobile 
phone service located behind the louvers. 
I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile system 
(if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with such work 
locations. 
1 - Level above existing installation.
2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Force180 Stock?

[John Woodfield]

Didn't Brett Glass used to call himself "Super WISP"
 
I jumped for a second lol
 
 
 

John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi

-Original Message-From: "Super WISP" <superw...@wavonline.com>Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 2:00pmTo: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force180 Stock?



Josh,
 I have over 700 available.  Hit me up off list or call me.
 
Mark Chamerlik
Strategic Account Manager-East Coast

630-818-1004 OFFICE
815-822-4490 CELL
ma...@wavonline.com
www.wavonline.com
 
For additional assistance: email tea...@wavonline.com
 
NEW: 2016 IMPROVEMENTS TO WAV’S BUSINESS MANAGEMENT
 
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh BairdSent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 12:44 PMTo: af@afmug.comSubject: [AFMUG] Force180 Stock?
 

What is the deal with Force 180?  Is Cambium even making them?  Nobody has had them in stock for months now.




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Re: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation

[John Woodfield]

Good luck. I have a sub 1mile link I can't get it to work on.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 11:27am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation



12.8+ bits/hz too! :)

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> s/CPU/FPGA
>
> Some sort of FPGA thing
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>
>> No CPU, it's an FPGA.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman
>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>> > It's only in 5.1 from what the notes said. I don't know why, maybe some
>> > sort of CPU horse power thing.
>> >
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> My 19 mile shot isn't hitting it either. Can you believe it??
>> >> Seriously
>> >> though, I have no idea what SNR is required for 10x. All of my links
>> >> are
>> >> sitting at 8x.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> instead of derailing the af24 thread any further...
>> >>>
>> >>> what conditions do I need to hit to make the af5x play at 10x? I'm
>> >>> playing with my 6.5 mile link just seeing what is possible.. it
>> >>> appears to
>> >>> be 'well hidden' on ubiquiti's website because I can't find it.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I appear to have it bouncing in and out of 10x at about a -57 @ 44
>> >>> EIRP.
>> >>> (2 foot, 30db dish)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Joe
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Part-15.org

[John Woodfield]

He's probably a member of this group and we've talked him up.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 11:05am
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Part-15.org



yup..he claimed to be first and I told him about Rafael Chayres from Internet 
Online in Chihuahua,Chihuahua having installed 3 900MHz links to hospital and 
doctor's office for Internet two years before his...1992/93 time 
framewonder if he still wears turtlenecks?




Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Rick Harnish <[ rharn...@fibertothefarm.com ]( 
mailto:rharn...@fibertothefarm.com )> wrote:



Oh wow, the days of the “Wild West” early WISP days!  Thanks for the chuckle 
Jaime!
 
Respectfully,
 
Rick Harnish
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
[ 260-307-4000 ]( tel:260-307-4000 ) cell
Skype: rick.harnish.​
Twitter: @rharnish
 
 



From: Af [mailto:[ af-boun...@afmug.com ]( mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com )] On 
Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:22 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Part-15.org
 
I remember checking my email and all of a sudden I am on AfmugI emailed 
Chuck and he  told me I could play with you guys... it's a fun ride ...not 
getting knocked off list as before like when I took on Brett Glass for dissing  
Unger and Larsen... his favorite line was ad hominem attacks on my 
partha...the good old days...

On Mar 1, 2016 7:47 AM, "Josh Reynolds" <[ j...@kyneticwifi.com ]( 
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com )> wrote:


Hilarious.
Yeah Charles, pay your damn bill! ;)
That guy could run as Trump's VP.

On Mar 1, 2016 7:05 AM, "Daniel White" <[ afmu...@gmail.com ]( 
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com )> wrote:


I’m sure I’ll get a cease and desist letter from Mike, but for those interested…
 
The above e-mail was sent at 8:29am (MST) on July 7th, 2008.  List went dark at 
2:03pm.  It came back the next morning… all was kinda okay at that point (as I 
recall server outages happened once in a while) but it went down hard a few 
hours later, then was down for 3 ½ days.
 
My first e-mail with Chuck about the new list was 7:32pm on July 7th.
 
This part also pissed a lot of people off:
 
> ***
> The [ PART-15.ORG ]( http://PART-15.ORG ) Motorola Discussion List
> This is a Paid Subscription Email Discussion List Service.
> All rights reserved. All content becomes the sole property
> of [ PART-15.ORG ]( http://PART-15.ORG )
> ***
 
Thank you,
 
Daniel White
[ afmu...@gmail.com ]( mailto:afmu...@gmail.com )
Cell: [ +1 (303) 746-3590 ]( tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590 )
Skype: danieldwhite
 Social: [ LinkedIn ]( http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84 ): [ Twitter ]( 
https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84 )
 
 


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 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Bullit <[ w...@part-15.org ]( mailto:w...@part-15.org )>
 To: <[ motor...@part-15.org ]( mailto:motor...@part-15.org )>
 Cc: 
 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 07:29:40 -0700
 Subject: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List
 Do you all want all the lists to be free?

 If so, I'll close up [ PART-15.ORG ]( http://PART-15.ORG ) and you all can do 
whatever you want.

 I'm sick of all this B.S. If you don't want to support [  PART-15.ORG ]( 
http://PART-15.ORG ) then
 don't and GO AWAY. Start your own damn lists somewhere else because
[ PART-15.ORG ]( http://PART-15.ORG ) will just fade away which appears to be 
what you guys want and I
 have no problem with that idea.

 And you know what Chuck, if people like Charles Wu would ever pay his
 bills/debts that he owes [ PART-15.ORG ]( http://PART-15.ORG ) maybe he could 
get back on the lists.
 As far as the others go, the hell with them as far as I'm concerned. They
 don't want to support [ PART-15.ORG ]( http://PART-15.ORG ) so why the hell 
should I let them in for
 free? B.S. I'm fed up folks.

 Michael



 -Original Message-
 From: [ motorola-ow...@part-15.org ]( mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org ) 
[mailto:[ motorola-ow...@part-15.org ]( mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org )] On
 Behalf Of Chuck McCown
 Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:16 AM
 To: [ motor...@part-15.org ]( mailto:motor...@part-15.org )
 Subject: Re: [Motorola] This should be on the Trango List

 Trango is still a free list.  No so moto.
 - Original Message -
 From: "Michael Handiboe" <[ mich...@horizonbroadband.net ]( 
mailto:mich...@horizonbroadband.net )>
 To: <[ motor...@part-15.org ]( mailto:motor...@part-15.org )>
 Sent: Monday,

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Part-15.org

[John Woodfield]

Ahh Brett Glass, the father of all WISPs lol
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 10:21am
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Part-15.org



I remember checking my email and all of a sudden I am on AfmugI emailed 
Chuck and he  told me I could play with you guys... it's a fun ride ...not 
getting knocked off list as before like when I took on Brett Glass for dissing  
Unger and Larsen... his favorite line was ad hominem attacks on my 
partha...the good old days...
On Mar 1, 2016 7:47 AM, "Josh Reynolds" <[ j...@kyneticwifi.com ]( 
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com )> wrote:

Hilarious.
Yeah Charles, pay your damn bill! ;)
That guy could run as Trump's VP.
On Mar 1, 2016 7:05 AM, "Daniel White" <[ afmu...@gmail.com ]( 
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com )> wrote:



I’m sure I’ll get a cease and desist letter from Mike, but for those interested…
 
The above e-mail was sent at 8:29am (MST) on July 7th, 2008.  List went dark at 
2:03pm.  It came back the next morning… all was kinda okay at that point (as I 
recall server outages happened once in a while) but it went down hard a few 
hours later, then was down for 3 ½ days.
 
My first e-mail with Chuck about the new list was 7:32pm on July 7th.
 
This part also pissed a lot of people off:
 
> ***
> The [ PART-15.ORG ]( http://PART-15.ORG ) Motorola Discussion List
> This is a Paid Subscription Email Discussion List Service.
> All rights reserved. All content becomes the sole property
> of [ PART-15.ORG ]( http://PART-15.ORG )
> ***
 
Thank you,
 
Daniel White
[ afmu...@gmail.com ]( mailto:afmu...@gmail.com )
Cell: [ +1 (303) 746-3590 ]( tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590 )
Skype: danieldwhite
Social: [ LinkedIn ]( http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84 ): [ Twitter ]( 
https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84 )
 


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From: Bullit <[ w...@part-15.org ]( mailto:w...@part-15.org )>
To: <[ motor...@part-15.org ]( mailto:motor...@part-15.org )>
Cc: 
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 07:29:40 -0700
Subject: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List
Do you all want all the lists to be free?

 If so, I'll close up [ PART-15.ORG ]( http://PART-15.ORG ) and you all can do 
whatever you want.

 I'm sick of all this B.S. If you don't want to support [ PART-15.ORG ]( 
http://PART-15.ORG ) then
 don't and GO AWAY. Start your own damn lists somewhere else because
[ PART-15.ORG ]( http://PART-15.ORG ) will just fade away which appears to be 
what you guys want and I
 have no problem with that idea.

 And you know what Chuck, if people like Charles Wu would ever pay his
 bills/debts that he owes [ PART-15.ORG ]( http://PART-15.ORG ) maybe he could 
get back on the lists.
 As far as the others go, the hell with them as far as I'm concerned. They
 don't want to support [ PART-15.ORG ]( http://PART-15.ORG ) so why the hell 
should I let them in for
 free? B.S. I'm fed up folks.

 Michael



 -Original Message-
 From: [ motorola-ow...@part-15.org ]( mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org ) 
[mailto:[ motorola-ow...@part-15.org ]( mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org )] On
 Behalf Of Chuck McCown
 Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:16 AM
 To: [ motor...@part-15.org ]( mailto:motor...@part-15.org )
 Subject: Re: [Motorola] This should be on the Trango List

 Trango is still a free list.  No so moto.
 - Original Message -
 From: "Michael Handiboe" <[ mich...@horizonbroadband.net ]( 
mailto:mich...@horizonbroadband.net )>
 To: <[ motor...@part-15.org ]( mailto:motor...@part-15.org )>
 Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 7:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [Motorola] This should be on the Trango List


 > Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
 >> I can think of more than 5 that are no longer here.  I have not heard
 >> from any of these guys since the list went paid (I don't think):
 >
 >> David Sovreen
 >> Dan Peterman
 >
 > I thought I saw these guys  ... Peterman just the other day (?) ...
 > maybe that was on the Mikrotik list.   I miss the rest of them.
 >
 > Funny thing, though, in my Thunderbird (email client ...) all the Trango
 > chat ended up in my Trango folder anyway!  :-P
 >
 > --
 > ***
 > Register your services in our FREE WISP Locator
 > [ http://www.part-15.org/maps/WISPSearch.asp ]( 
 > http://www.part-15.org/maps/WISPSearch.asp )
 > ***
 > The [ PART-15.ORG ]( http://PART-15.ORG ) Mo

Re: [AFMUG] PMP100 Advantage Codes

[John Woodfield]

I believe so as well. This is a P9 so should certainly upgrade. Last I checked 
from a distributor it is cost-prohibitive to do so. Hoping someone from Cambium 
hits me up with a courtesy/charity code.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 4:51pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP100 Advantage Codes





Depending on hardware vintage, just a Key I believe. 


 

From: [ John Woodfield ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 2:49 PM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: [AFMUG] PMP100 Advantage Codes
 

Is there a cost-effective way to upgrade from non advantage to advantage? I had 
a 2450AP blow up and all I had on the shelf to replace it is a 2400AP. Sure 
would be nice to not have to convert everyone to ePMP and just upgrade the 
sucker to Advantage...
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi

[AFMUG] PMP100 Advantage Codes

[John Woodfield]

Is there a cost-effective way to upgrade from non advantage to advantage? I had 
a 2450AP blow up and all I had on the shelf to replace it is a 2400AP. Sure 
would be nice to not have to convert everyone to ePMP and just upgrade the 
sucker to Advantage...
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi

[AFMUG] PMP450i 900mhz with Smart Meters

[John Woodfield]

900mhz would  be a dream come true in my area. That said, this is smart meter 
city. 900mhz FHSS across the entire spectrum. Can I expect any decent 
performance out of it? Is anyone using it successfully in this type of market?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] TVWS

[John Woodfield]

Wasn't the NLOS performance better than 900mhz?
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Craig House" <cr...@totalhighspeed.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 10:08pm
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS



Runcom   Sent it back inside the 90 day trial  throughput vs costAnd 450i 
900mhz came out at same time.Carlson.  Just never was happy with it 
reliability wise 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 21, 2016, at 20:52, John Woodfield <[ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( 
mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )> wrote:



Issues or they stopped making it?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Craig House" <[ cr...@totalhighspeed.net ]( 
mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net )>
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 9:39pm
To: "[ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )" <[ af@afmug.com ]( 
mailto:af@afmug.com )>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS



I've tried runcom and Carlson.  Both are no longer in service 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 21, 2016, at 20:32, John Woodfield <[ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( 
mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )> wrote:



Is it dead? Anyone deploying it? Anyone besides Carson selling it?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] TVWS

[John Woodfield]

Issues or they stopped making it?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Craig House" <cr...@totalhighspeed.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 9:39pm
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS



I've tried runcom and Carlson.  Both are no longer in service 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 21, 2016, at 20:32, John Woodfield <[ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( 
mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )> wrote:



Is it dead? Anyone deploying it? Anyone besides Carson selling it?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi

[AFMUG] TVWS

[John Woodfield]

Is it dead? Anyone deploying it? Anyone besides Carson selling it?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] customer must reboot SM after interference

[John Woodfield]

PMP100?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 11:43am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] customer must reboot SM after interference



Once a month or two I will get some interference and drop many registered SM's 
and once I chance the channel of the AP all is well but 5-10% of SM's require 
being rebooted to re-register, why?

Re: [AFMUG] Resurgence of 900

[John Woodfield]

What besides pmp450i?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 11:25pm
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Resurgence of 900



In last few months I have heard of three new 900MHz productsI started my 
wireless career with it and still love using itshould be an interesting 
year.  Wonder what I will learn and see next week in Phoenix.   I enrolled in 
several LTE and DAS courses as well. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell

[John Woodfield]

[ 
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-EW-112P-omni-directional-system/dp/B002CWQTXG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1454947712=8-1=sennheiser+ew100
 ]( 
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-EW-112P-omni-directional-system/dp/B002CWQTXG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1454947712=8-1=sennheiser+ew100
 )
 
Arguably one of the best portable systems there is.
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 10:52am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell





Lapel


 

From: [ John Woodfield ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 7:53 AM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell
 

Handheld or lapel?
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 12:45pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell





Didn’t like the audio of the shotgun mic I got last week.  Picks up too much 
ambient noise.
 
So, looking at wireless mics this morning.  Too many choices.  Lots of folks 
selling high end stuff on ebay that is illegal to use.  Huge price range, all 
the way from $10 to $1000 systems.
 
I think I want UHF.  But then when I look at those there are performance 
reviews on amazon all over the map too.  I think I want a small receiver that 
can fit on a camera shoe.
 
I know I want a clip on mic.  I know I need to stay under 600 MHz, not totally 
sure you are legal in the 500 MHz ranger unless you get a part 74 license
 
Arrgh.
 
Love to have recommendations.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell

[John Woodfield]

Scratch that listing. Can't use that frequency band. Should have looked closer.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "John Woodfield" <john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz>
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 11:21am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell



Call Rob Berkman at 301-946-8808. He should be able to give you a considerably 
better price or offer an alternative. Very knowledgeable guy. They ship too. If 
he doesn't pick up try back. They are extremely busy.
 
Here's a used G2:
 
[ 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sennheiser-EW100ENG-G2-with-Professional-Wireless-System-740-776-Mhz-/111898037807?hash=item1a0da48e2f:g:mbgAAOSwGotWtg~Z
 ]( 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sennheiser-EW100ENG-G2-with-Professional-Wireless-System-740-776-Mhz-/111898037807?hash=item1a0da48e2f:g:mbgAAOSwGotWtg~Z
 )
 
I'd pair it up with a better mic. I've always been partial to the MKE-2 but its 
pricey. Rode probably makes something cost effective that isn't horrible.
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 11:16am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell





I have heard good things about this system.  Just wish I could find a used one 
for about half that amount...


 

From: [ John Woodfield ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 9:11 AM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell
 

[ 
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-EW-112P-omni-directional-system/dp/B002CWQTXG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1454947712=8-1=sennheiser+ew100
 ]( 
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-EW-112P-omni-directional-system/dp/B002CWQTXG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1454947712=8-1=sennheiser+ew100
 )
 
Arguably one of the best portable systems there is.
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 10:52am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell





Lapel


 

From: [ John Woodfield ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 7:53 AM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell
 

Handheld or lapel?
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 12:45pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell





Didn’t like the audio of the shotgun mic I got last week.  Picks up too much 
ambient noise.
 
So, looking at wireless mics this morning.  Too many choices.  Lots of folks 
selling high end stuff on ebay that is illegal to use.  Huge price range, all 
the way from $10 to $1000 systems.
 
I think I want UHF.  But then when I look at those there are performance 
reviews on amazon all over the map too.  I think I want a small receiver that 
can fit on a camera shoe.
 
I know I want a clip on mic.  I know I need to stay under 600 MHz, not totally 
sure you are legal in the 500 MHz ranger unless you get a part 74 license
 
Arrgh.
 
Love to have recommendations.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell

[John Woodfield]

Thats a shame. He worked there for probably 25 years. Jerry is a good guy too.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 11:27am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell





Rob is no longer there but am but a guy named Jerry is emailing me some info. 


 

From: [ John Woodfield ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 9:21 AM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell
 

Call Rob Berkman at 301-946-8808. He should be able to give you a considerably 
better price or offer an alternative. Very knowledgeable guy. They ship too. If 
he doesn't pick up try back. They are extremely busy.
 
Here's a used G2:
 
[ 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sennheiser-EW100ENG-G2-with-Professional-Wireless-System-740-776-Mhz-/111898037807?hash=item1a0da48e2f:g:mbgAAOSwGotWtg~Z
 ]( 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sennheiser-EW100ENG-G2-with-Professional-Wireless-System-740-776-Mhz-/111898037807?hash=item1a0da48e2f:g:mbgAAOSwGotWtg~Z
 )
 
I'd pair it up with a better mic. I've always been partial to the MKE-2 but its 
pricey. Rode probably makes something cost effective that isn't horrible.
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 11:16am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell





I have heard good things about this system.  Just wish I could find a used one 
for about half that amount...


 

From: [ John Woodfield ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 9:11 AM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell
 

[ 
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-EW-112P-omni-directional-system/dp/B002CWQTXG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1454947712=8-1=sennheiser+ew100
 ]( 
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-EW-112P-omni-directional-system/dp/B002CWQTXG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1454947712=8-1=sennheiser+ew100
 )
 
Arguably one of the best portable systems there is.
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 10:52am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell





Lapel


 

From: [ John Woodfield ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 7:53 AM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell
 

Handheld or lapel?
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 12:45pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell





Didn’t like the audio of the shotgun mic I got last week.  Picks up too much 
ambient noise.
 
So, looking at wireless mics this morning.  Too many choices.  Lots of folks 
selling high end stuff on ebay that is illegal to use.  Huge price range, all 
the way from $10 to $1000 systems.
 
I think I want UHF.  But then when I look at those there are performance 
reviews on amazon all over the map too.  I think I want a small receiver that 
can fit on a camera shoe.
 
I know I want a clip on mic.  I know I need to stay under 600 MHz, not totally 
sure you are legal in the 500 MHz ranger unless you get a part 74 license
 
Arrgh.
 
Love to have recommendations.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell

[John Woodfield]

Call Rob Berkman at 301-946-8808. He should be able to give you a considerably 
better price or offer an alternative. Very knowledgeable guy. They ship too. If 
he doesn't pick up try back. They are extremely busy.
 
Here's a used G2:
 
[ 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sennheiser-EW100ENG-G2-with-Professional-Wireless-System-740-776-Mhz-/111898037807?hash=item1a0da48e2f:g:mbgAAOSwGotWtg~Z
 ]( 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sennheiser-EW100ENG-G2-with-Professional-Wireless-System-740-776-Mhz-/111898037807?hash=item1a0da48e2f:g:mbgAAOSwGotWtg~Z
 )
 
I'd pair it up with a better mic. I've always been partial to the MKE-2 but its 
pricey. Rode probably makes something cost effective that isn't horrible.
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 11:16am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell





I have heard good things about this system.  Just wish I could find a used one 
for about half that amount...


 

From: [ John Woodfield ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 9:11 AM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell
 

[ 
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-EW-112P-omni-directional-system/dp/B002CWQTXG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1454947712=8-1=sennheiser+ew100
 ]( 
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-EW-112P-omni-directional-system/dp/B002CWQTXG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1454947712=8-1=sennheiser+ew100
 )
 
Arguably one of the best portable systems there is.
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 10:52am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell





Lapel


 

From: [ John Woodfield ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 7:53 AM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell
 

Handheld or lapel?
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 12:45pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell





Didn’t like the audio of the shotgun mic I got last week.  Picks up too much 
ambient noise.
 
So, looking at wireless mics this morning.  Too many choices.  Lots of folks 
selling high end stuff on ebay that is illegal to use.  Huge price range, all 
the way from $10 to $1000 systems.
 
I think I want UHF.  But then when I look at those there are performance 
reviews on amazon all over the map too.  I think I want a small receiver that 
can fit on a camera shoe.
 
I know I want a clip on mic.  I know I need to stay under 600 MHz, not totally 
sure you are legal in the 500 MHz ranger unless you get a part 74 license
 
Arrgh.
 
Love to have recommendations.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell

[John Woodfield]

I shot him an email to expect your call.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 11:23am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell





Yeah, but it (the ebay unit) is in the 740-776 band.  No longer legal.
I will call Rob.


 

From: [ John Woodfield ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 9:21 AM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell
 

Call Rob Berkman at 301-946-8808. He should be able to give you a considerably 
better price or offer an alternative. Very knowledgeable guy. They ship too. If 
he doesn't pick up try back. They are extremely busy.
 
Here's a used G2:
 
[ 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sennheiser-EW100ENG-G2-with-Professional-Wireless-System-740-776-Mhz-/111898037807?hash=item1a0da48e2f:g:mbgAAOSwGotWtg~Z
 ]( 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sennheiser-EW100ENG-G2-with-Professional-Wireless-System-740-776-Mhz-/111898037807?hash=item1a0da48e2f:g:mbgAAOSwGotWtg~Z
 )
 
I'd pair it up with a better mic. I've always been partial to the MKE-2 but its 
pricey. Rode probably makes something cost effective that isn't horrible.
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 11:16am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell





I have heard good things about this system.  Just wish I could find a used one 
for about half that amount...


 

From: [ John Woodfield ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 9:11 AM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell
 

[ 
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-EW-112P-omni-directional-system/dp/B002CWQTXG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1454947712=8-1=sennheiser+ew100
 ]( 
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-EW-112P-omni-directional-system/dp/B002CWQTXG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1454947712=8-1=sennheiser+ew100
 )
 
Arguably one of the best portable systems there is.
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 10:52am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell





Lapel


 

From: [ John Woodfield ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 7:53 AM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell
 

Handheld or lapel?
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 12:45pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell





Didn’t like the audio of the shotgun mic I got last week.  Picks up too much 
ambient noise.
 
So, looking at wireless mics this morning.  Too many choices.  Lots of folks 
selling high end stuff on ebay that is illegal to use.  Huge price range, all 
the way from $10 to $1000 systems.
 
I think I want UHF.  But then when I look at those there are performance 
reviews on amazon all over the map too.  I think I want a small receiver that 
can fit on a camera shoe.
 
I know I want a clip on mic.  I know I need to stay under 600 MHz, not totally 
sure you are legal in the 500 MHz ranger unless you get a part 74 license
 
Arrgh.
 
Love to have recommendations.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell

[John Woodfield]

Podcast so USB?
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 11:30am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell



I am looking for mics as well, but they don't have to be wireless. Looking for 
ways to improve the audio in our show floor interviews for The Brothers WISP. 
No revenue is generated from the podcast, so cost is definitely a factor.


-Mike Hammett[ Intelligent Computing Solutions ]( http://www.ics-il.com/ )[ 
 ]( https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL )[  ]( 
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb )[  ]( 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions )[  ]( 
https://twitter.com/ICSIL )[ Midwest Internet Exchange ]( 
http://www.midwest-ix.com/ )[  ]( https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix )[  ]( 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange )[  ]( 
https://twitter.com/mdwestix )[ The Brothers WISP ]( 
http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ )[  ]( https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp 
)[ 


 ]( https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg )
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 11:45:53 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell




Didn’t like the audio of the shotgun mic I got last week.  Picks up too much 
ambient noise.
 
So, looking at wireless mics this morning.  Too many choices.  Lots of folks 
selling high end stuff on ebay that is illegal to use.  Huge price range, all 
the way from $10 to $1000 systems. 
 
I think I want UHF.  But then when I look at those there are performance 
reviews on amazon all over the map too.  I think I want a small receiver that 
can fit on a camera shoe. 
 
I know I want a clip on mic.  I know I need to stay under 600 MHz, not totally 
sure you are legal in the 500 MHz ranger unless you get a part 74 license
 
Arrgh. 
 
Love to have recommendations. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell

[John Woodfield]

Yep, I posted back that. Sorry wasn't paying attention.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 11:23am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell





Yeah, but it (the ebay unit) is in the 740-776 band.  No longer legal.
I will call Rob.


 

From: [ John Woodfield ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 9:21 AM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell
 

Call Rob Berkman at 301-946-8808. He should be able to give you a considerably 
better price or offer an alternative. Very knowledgeable guy. They ship too. If 
he doesn't pick up try back. They are extremely busy.
 
Here's a used G2:
 
[ 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sennheiser-EW100ENG-G2-with-Professional-Wireless-System-740-776-Mhz-/111898037807?hash=item1a0da48e2f:g:mbgAAOSwGotWtg~Z
 ]( 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sennheiser-EW100ENG-G2-with-Professional-Wireless-System-740-776-Mhz-/111898037807?hash=item1a0da48e2f:g:mbgAAOSwGotWtg~Z
 )
 
I'd pair it up with a better mic. I've always been partial to the MKE-2 but its 
pricey. Rode probably makes something cost effective that isn't horrible.
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 11:16am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell





I have heard good things about this system.  Just wish I could find a used one 
for about half that amount...


 

From: [ John Woodfield ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 9:11 AM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell
 

[ 
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-EW-112P-omni-directional-system/dp/B002CWQTXG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1454947712=8-1=sennheiser+ew100
 ]( 
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-EW-112P-omni-directional-system/dp/B002CWQTXG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1454947712=8-1=sennheiser+ew100
 )
 
Arguably one of the best portable systems there is.
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 10:52am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell





Lapel


 

From: [ John Woodfield ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 7:53 AM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell
 

Handheld or lapel?
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 12:45pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell





Didn’t like the audio of the shotgun mic I got last week.  Picks up too much 
ambient noise.
 
So, looking at wireless mics this morning.  Too many choices.  Lots of folks 
selling high end stuff on ebay that is illegal to use.  Huge price range, all 
the way from $10 to $1000 systems.
 
I think I want UHF.  But then when I look at those there are performance 
reviews on amazon all over the map too.  I think I want a small receiver that 
can fit on a camera shoe.
 
I know I want a clip on mic.  I know I need to stay under 600 MHz, not totally 
sure you are legal in the 500 MHz ranger unless you get a part 74 license
 
Arrgh.
 
Love to have recommendations.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell

[John Woodfield]

Handheld or lapel?
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 12:45pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Wireless Mic Selection Hell





Didn’t like the audio of the shotgun mic I got last week.  Picks up too much 
ambient noise.
 
So, looking at wireless mics this morning.  Too many choices.  Lots of folks 
selling high end stuff on ebay that is illegal to use.  Huge price range, all 
the way from $10 to $1000 systems. 
 
I think I want UHF.  But then when I look at those there are performance 
reviews on amazon all over the map too.  I think I want a small receiver that 
can fit on a camera shoe. 
 
I know I want a clip on mic.  I know I need to stay under 600 MHz, not totally 
sure you are legal in the 500 MHz ranger unless you get a part 74 license
 
Arrgh. 
 
Love to have recommendations. 

Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[John Woodfield]

Mikrotik Power Box. We've done 1000' with multiples of these mid span.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Matt" <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 3:38pm
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run



I have a ~500 foot buried cat-5 run that works fine at 10base FDX but
not 100base. Anyone know of a way to get it to run 100base? I need
about 20mbps out of this.

Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz voodoo.....PMP100 flavor

[John Woodfield]

Welcome to my world.
 
 
 

John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi

-Original Message-From: "David Young" <coordina...@town.warwick.ma.us>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:12pmTo: af@afmug.comSubject: [AFMUG] 900 MHz voodoo.PMP100 flavor



Interesting that this began on Jan 1. I’d suspect that somebody lit up something like a “smart meter” the first of the year. Have not experienced this in North Central MA but in southern VT and NH many WISP’s have had to abandon using 900 and are getting better results with 2.4 because of electric utilities’ deployments.
 

David Young
Administrative Coordinator
Town of Warwick
978-729-3224 (mobile)
978-544-6315 (Selectboard office)
413-676-9544 (Broadband service)

 


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian SullivanSent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:08 PMTo: af@afmug.comSubject: {Spam?} Re: [AFMUG] 900 mhz voodoo.PMP100 flavour


 
Integrated AP?� I have seen the panels inside corrode.

On 1/28/2016 10:59 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:



�


I think one or two of you must still be running some cambium PMP100 900 mhz voodoo out there


I know the logical thing to do here is try a different frequency and that is probably comingbut this customer


is 1/2 mile away from the tower and their signal tanked roughly a month ago.� I understand our tech went out


with a different radio and antenna and attempted to repair the situation.� He had no success.


�


Any thoughts as to what could cause a dramatic signal drop like this?� I understand it has happened at probably


10 different customers across the entire service area over the last year and has some of our guys stumped.


�


Thanks!


�





 

Re: [AFMUG] harvestore grain silo advice

[John Woodfield]

Have bunches of them. Typically mount sectors directly to the rail and don't backhaul with anything more than a powerbeam. I've even use self tapping sheet metal screws and J arms to the top. 10' pipe with omni's. Never had an issue.
 
 
 

John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi

-Original Message-From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 3:19pmTo: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>Subject: [AFMUG] harvestore grain silo advice

We got a sweet location the other day on a ridge, its a few of these bins, it will be about 100' up on a ridge. Its windy as shit up there. I would have pics of the actual on but both my phones froze up when I tried taking the pics. Its a dormant silo so we are free to do what we want. Initially all we are doing is a micropop but the path from this bad boy gets us a midpoint for a redundancy we have needed for a long time. So eventually there will be a few EPMP APs up there and 2 backhauls (maybe 3) all with Radiowaves 2' HP parabolics with the skirts.
The rail is good heavy guage steel it just doesnt have much lateral stability. We can back the nuts off the bolts coming through the top but we are limited to what we can reach through the hatch, apparently the bolts will fall out so we can do stabilizer bars, just short. Since its a dormant silo, we can come through the work area across the diameter of the railing, but i see a moron tower monkey tripping and falling off of it.
Anybody dealt with these and have ideas aside from magnetics?
​-- 



If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Blizzard..

[John Woodfield]

Couple brief outages here. AF5 link that faded, bad switch at another site. 
Normal weekend, just takes longer to get places lol.
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 11:13am
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Blizzard..



How you guys in North and East holding up?   My brother cut a meeting short in 
Canada and is back in Tuscon my brother in law is laid over Virginia 
somewhere.stay safe..

Re: [AFMUG] Pay Rates For Installer / Troubleshooter?

[John Woodfield]

Ehh I'll have to disagree with this. I have two experienced guys I hired but 
man they weren't cheap. $20/hour for one and $52k per year salary for the other.
 
 
 
 

-Original Message-
From: "Ben Royer" 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 1:31pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pay Rates For Installer / Troubleshooter?





It’s too unique of a job to expect to hire a ‘Wireless Internet Installer’ 
right out the gates, they don’t exist in the wild, you have to create them.  We 
primarily look for people that are willing to learn, out going, personable, NOT 
AFRAID OF HEIGHTS (seems simple, but we’ve even had people say they aren’t, 
hire them, turns out, they are), and we usually try to look for some basic 
computer knowledge, that way we know they at least will know some of what we 
are talking about when we start the training process.  We have had pretty good 
luck with military folks, and some ok luck with satellite installers.  Either 
way, you’re going to be spending a good amount of time in training the employee 
to meet your company’s standards.
 
Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net


 

From: [ Christopher Gray ]( mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com )
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 11:58 AM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pay Rates For Installer / Troubleshooter?
 


A related question... that may be more important.
 
What qualifications / skills do others look for in an installer?
 
 
I think I've been looking for too much..
 
 

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:22 PM, Ken Hohhof <[ af...@kwisp.com ]( 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com )> wrote:




When I first started as a WISP, I tried to use a satellite installer as a 
contractor, and it didn’t work out because being a satellite dish installer was 
all about cramming in 6-8 installs a day to make any money.  The workmanship 
was lacking.
 
But I think in the last 10 years, standards have gotten a lot better in the sat 
dish industry.
 


 

From: [ Christopher Gray ]( mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com )
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 10:08 PM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pay Rates For Installer / Troubleshooter?
 



So far,
 
The satellite installer is the only option that I've found that could work on a 
contract basis so far. He has his own company, storefront, truck, tools, etc. 
He does contract work for a variety of satellite TV and Internet services, as 
well as antenna installations. Those rates are fairly high, though.
 
Everyone else I'm considering would have to be an employee. I haven't found 
anyone willing to do the work for a reasonable price, though.
 

 

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Jay Weekley <[ par...@cyberbroadband.net ]( 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net )> wrote:
You man want to research some of the gotchas involved in contract work.  Doug 
Hass may be a good resource to make sure you're treating your contractor as a 
contractor and not inadvertently as an employee.



Christopher Gray wrote:
I've been working as a one-man shop for a while. I've started looking for 
part-time help. I've even talked to a satellite installer about doing some 
contract work.

What sort of rates are typically paid to someone doing installations and 
troubleshooting?

[I realize this varies by region, but I'd like to at least get an idea of what 
I should be offering.]

Thanks - Chris
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] M series NanoBeam/PowerBeam and U-NII-1

[John Woodfield]

Thats all fine and great. The question is how far does it lower the TX power.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 10:05pm
To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] M series NanoBeam/PowerBeam and U-NII-1



Yes, once you activate the revised UNII rules, it it will lower the EIRP in 
UNII-3, however just upgrading the firmware won't change anything (until you 
enter the key) and you can use the key again to get the higher Tx Power back 
(and disable UNII-1/2)... of course if you lose the link when the power drops, 
that won't help you... if a link is questionable, I would just try lowering the 
tx power using test mode to see what happens before you do anything.


On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 8:07 PM, John Woodfield <[ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( 
mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )> wrote:

With the new unlock codes and firmware are they still killing the EIRP of the 
gear even in the UNII3 bands? I've been scared to load it on anything...
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi




-Original Message-
From: "James Craig" <[ ja...@ubnt.com ]( mailto:ja...@ubnt.com )>
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 3:29pm
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] M series NanoBeam/PowerBeam and U-NII-1



Hi Guys,
There are actually two sets of "DFS" unlocks.  The older unlock is from a few 
years ago to unlock DFS on RM5/NanoBridge/NanoStation.  Those keys will not 
unlock PowerBeam/NanoBeam or AC products.  
NanoBeam/PowerBeamM units will require 5.6.3 + unlock codes generated in the 
last few months (June 2015).
AC products can be unlocked as well, but this is currently only available on 
7.2/8.0 beta firmware.  R5AC-PTP and PTMP models are limited to bands above 
5470MHz due to airPrism filtering.  The R5-AC-PRISM will have full U-NII band 
support.
If you need new codes/stickers for PowerBeamM/NanoBeamM or AC products, you can 
request them here:
[ https://www.ubnt.com/fcclabelrequest/ ]( 
https://www.ubnt.com/fcclabelrequest/ )
Please feel free to email me directly if you have any questions.


On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:13 PM, <[ jaldri...@totalhighspeed.net ]( 
mailto:jaldri...@totalhighspeed.net )> wrote:


We have been using keys with the nanostations with no problem. I cannot get the 
powerbeams to work at all. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:10 PM, Ben Moore <[ ben.mo...@ubnt.com ]( 
mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com )> wrote:



Yes, they are...Please check with support team if they are not showing up for 
you as could be something to do with the unlock code - [ supp...@ubnt.com ]( 
mailto:supp...@ubnt.com )
I will also ask them to chime in here.
Thanks,
Ben


On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 1:07 PM, <[ jaldri...@totalhighspeed.net ]( 
mailto:jaldri...@totalhighspeed.net )> wrote:




So are powerbeams not capable?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:01 PM, Ben Moore <[ ben.mo...@ubnt.com ]( 
mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com )> wrote:



Yes, datasheets are being updated (most are done, just not uploaded yet).


On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Mathew Howard <[ mhoward...@gmail.com ]( 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com )> wrote:

Well, right. that was the case up until airOS 5.6.3 was released... I expect 
they'll update the data sheets when the radios are shipping with the new 
firmware.




On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 11:11 AM, <[ jaldri...@totalhighspeed.net ]( 
mailto:jaldri...@totalhighspeed.net )> wrote:


I was just stating what the data sheet says about the US version versus 
worldwide version. I know that we have been buying nanobeams And using them 
just fine we ordered powerbeams this last time and cannot do anything other 
than 5725-5850. 



Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 16, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Mathew Howard <[ mhoward...@gmail.com ]( 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com )> wrote:



You most certainly can use the US radios in 5150-5250, and whoever said that 
only the world version supports it is wrong. 
You just need to upgrade the firmware to 5.6.3, and enter the unlock key - 
which you do need to request from UBNT.




On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Ken Hohhof <[ af...@kwisp.com ]( 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com )> wrote:




Ben, what does “approvals are in” mean?
 
I don’t give a rat’s ass whether you have approvals in.  I want to know if I 
can order equipment for a customer install, upgrade to latest released firmware 
if necessary, and operate it in the 5150-5250 band.  That’s all that matters to 
me.  Anything else is your internal process to get to what I need, which is a 
radio I can buy from my distributor and send out with an installer to do a 
customer install off a Rocket M5 AP we installed 8 months ago.
 
When I go to the grocery store to buy 2% milk, they don’t tell me the farmer 
has bought a cow, they eith

Re: [AFMUG] M series NanoBeam/PowerBeam and U-NII-1

[John Woodfield]

With the new unlock codes and firmware are they still killing the EIRP of the 
gear even in the UNII3 bands? I've been scared to load it on anything...
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "James Craig" <ja...@ubnt.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 3:29pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] M series NanoBeam/PowerBeam and U-NII-1



Hi Guys,
There are actually two sets of "DFS" unlocks.  The older unlock is from a few 
years ago to unlock DFS on RM5/NanoBridge/NanoStation.  Those keys will not 
unlock PowerBeam/NanoBeam or AC products.  
NanoBeam/PowerBeamM units will require 5.6.3 + unlock codes generated in the 
last few months (June 2015).
AC products can be unlocked as well, but this is currently only available on 
7.2/8.0 beta firmware.  R5AC-PTP and PTMP models are limited to bands above 
5470MHz due to airPrism filtering.  The R5-AC-PRISM will have full U-NII band 
support.
If you need new codes/stickers for PowerBeamM/NanoBeamM or AC products, you can 
request them here:
[ https://www.ubnt.com/fcclabelrequest/ ]( 
https://www.ubnt.com/fcclabelrequest/ )
Please feel free to email me directly if you have any questions.


On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 3:13 PM, <[ jaldri...@totalhighspeed.net ]( 
mailto:jaldri...@totalhighspeed.net )> wrote:


We have been using keys with the nanostations with no problem. I cannot get the 
powerbeams to work at all. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:10 PM, Ben Moore <[ ben.mo...@ubnt.com ]( 
mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com )> wrote:



Yes, they are...Please check with support team if they are not showing up for 
you as could be something to do with the unlock code - [ supp...@ubnt.com ]( 
mailto:supp...@ubnt.com )
I will also ask them to chime in here.
Thanks,
Ben


On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 1:07 PM, <[ jaldri...@totalhighspeed.net ]( 
mailto:jaldri...@totalhighspeed.net )> wrote:




So are powerbeams not capable?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:01 PM, Ben Moore <[ ben.mo...@ubnt.com ]( 
mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com )> wrote:



Yes, datasheets are being updated (most are done, just not uploaded yet).


On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Mathew Howard <[ mhoward...@gmail.com ]( 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com )> wrote:

Well, right. that was the case up until airOS 5.6.3 was released... I expect 
they'll update the data sheets when the radios are shipping with the new 
firmware.




On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 11:11 AM, <[ jaldri...@totalhighspeed.net ]( 
mailto:jaldri...@totalhighspeed.net )> wrote:


I was just stating what the data sheet says about the US version versus 
worldwide version. I know that we have been buying nanobeams And using them 
just fine we ordered powerbeams this last time and cannot do anything other 
than 5725-5850. 



Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 16, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Mathew Howard <[ mhoward...@gmail.com ]( 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com )> wrote:



You most certainly can use the US radios in 5150-5250, and whoever said that 
only the world version supports it is wrong. 
You just need to upgrade the firmware to 5.6.3, and enter the unlock key - 
which you do need to request from UBNT.




On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Ken Hohhof <[ af...@kwisp.com ]( 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com )> wrote:




Ben, what does “approvals are in” mean?
 
I don’t give a rat’s ass whether you have approvals in.  I want to know if I 
can order equipment for a customer install, upgrade to latest released firmware 
if necessary, and operate it in the 5150-5250 band.  That’s all that matters to 
me.  Anything else is your internal process to get to what I need, which is a 
radio I can buy from my distributor and send out with an installer to do a 
customer install off a Rocket M5 AP we installed 8 months ago.
 
When I go to the grocery store to buy 2% milk, they don’t tell me the farmer 
has bought a cow, they either have 2% milk on the shelf or they don’t.  Status 
reports on the feeding and milking of the cow don’t give me something to pour 
on my cereal.
 


 

From: [ Ben Moore ]( mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com )
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 10:23 AM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] M series NanoBeam/PowerBeam and U-NII-1
 

Hi Guys - 
 
The approvals for both lower band and DFS are in.  Same w it AC gear.
 
Thanks,
Ben

 
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Ken Hohhof <[ af...@kwisp.com ]( 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com )> wrote:
This is just incredible.  They've been screwing around with this for about 8 
months.  Ubiquiti seems to be giving the middle finger to the US market.  I am 
going to have to look at ripping out some APs and PTP links I put up back in 
April and replacing them with something else.  I don't know how to explain to a 
customer that I can't order equipment for their service because my vendor has 
their head up their ass, that just reflects badly on me for using thei

Re: [AFMUG] Yagi condom

[John Woodfield]

Is someone shipping these or are they still pre-order?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 7:03pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yagi condom





Yes.


 

From: [ Jaime Solorza ]( mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com )
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 5:52 PM
To: [ Animal Farm ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Yagi condom
 

Is this new Cambium 900?
On Dec 13, 2015 4:47 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[ af...@kwisp.com ]( 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com )> wrote:
If I leave the packing sleeve on this Cambium dual pol Yagi, will it keep the 
snow and ice off?  ;-)

Oh, and FWIW, it's sturdier than I expected from the literature, it comes fully 
assembled, and the SM clip works really nice.  I still worry about ice & snow.  
I'm also debating whether to weatherproof the pigtails, I assume not because 
they have those boots kind of like little clear spark plug boots.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 9HPn Performance? Improvement over PMP100?

[John Woodfield]

Way to make a bunch of incorrect assumptions without every having used the 
product in the application described or at all.
 
Loss of GPS sync is the biggest gripe. They do perform better than PMP100 
unless you need to run multiple sectors in which case forget it. They do work 
far better than UBNT 900mhz gear. I have one pop with about 25 users. Overall 
TX is roughly 15mbps on 10mhz channel. It isn't great but its cheap and dirty 
and 15mbps is much better than 4mbps.
 
That said, we are not deploying any new pops or upgrading old until 450i gear 
is released.
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2015 10:05pm
To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 9HPn Performance? Improvement over PMP100?




I believe it is downconverted 2.4ghz, like the UBNT 900mhz stuff... but I guess 
it could potentially be downconverted 5ghz too - definitely 802.11N based 
though. I assume it uses the same channel widths as any other 11n Mikrotik 
radio, so I would assume probably 5mhz, 10mhz and 20mhz.


I haven't ever used these things, but I can't see how it could be worth the 
effort of replacing PMP100, My experience with UBNT 900mhz was always worse 
overall than PMP100 (with the exception of PTP links), and I really can't see 
how these could be that much better... especially considering they're only 1x1 
and UBNT 900mhz gear is 2x2. The most obvious issue being that you're going to 
lose the ability to sync (which may not matter all that much in some 
networks)... I suppose you could turn off sync on all the Canopy APs and see 
how ugly things get.


On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Jaime Solorza <[ losguyswirel...@gmail.com ]( 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com )> wrote:

Never heard of it...wonder if they are down converting from 2 or 5 gigs?  
Remember I shared story of Teletronics 900 AP leaking into 2.4GHz 
band...revised version fixed that issue. 


On Dec 7, 2015 7:32 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <[ eric.kuh...@gmail.com ]( 
mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com )> wrote:

What channel widths does this thing use?


On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 5:21 AM, Christopher Gray <[ cg...@graytechsoftware.com 
]( mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com )> wrote:

Any positive experiences using the Mikrotik 9HPn [as a replacement for PMP100 
900 MHz or otherwise]? 
I'm looking to improve throughput for my Canopy PMP100 900 MHz customers. I was 
excited about the 900MHz 450i announcement, but the cost is simply too high to 
justify for my low density deployments at this time. 
The sites I'm looking to upgrade are situations where higher frequencies are 
not an option due to the foliage. 
So far, I've found very little information from actual users of the 9HPn 
hardware. 


Thanks - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a mechanical drawings for a tower permit.

[John Woodfield]

Yes. David Hunt. wifi.engin...@gmail.com he does a damn good job for hardly any 
cost.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net>
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 9:44pm
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for a mechanical drawings for a tower permit.




Anyone have a referral for this?
 
Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
[ r...@triadwireless.net ]( mailto:r...@triadwireless.net )
[ www.triadwireless.net ]( http://www.triadwireless.net/ )
 
“If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off. 
— Bill Veeck, former owner of the Chicago White Sox
 

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900MHz

[John Woodfield]

Will they sync with PMP100 900?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Ryan Ray" <ryan...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 6:01pm
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900MHz



"We've been testing PMP450i 900MHz for almost a month now and we're really 
impressed with it. I have a 1.5 mile shot through multiple evergreen and 
deciduous trees, along with heavy interference in an urban environment (pager 
/scada noise spikes at around -65dBm across every channel). I get about 25mbps 
down and 2mbps up on speed tests using a 10MHz channel width. Latency/jitter is 
good enough for VoIP and gaming. I believe distributors will be shipping radios 
just after thanksgiving."

 
I found this on DSL reports. Anyone else had any experience with this 
equipment? How's it looking? Is there any word on pricing or ship times yet? 

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900MHz

[John Woodfield]

Ok and I can use existing CMM's to do so? What are the base antenna options? 
Does anyone make a true (3db) 120 degree dual slant sector? How about a dual 
slant omni?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Sriram Chaturvedi" <sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 2:49pm
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900MHz




Yes they will. 900 MHz PMP 100 uses 5 ms frame so make sure the 900 MHz 450i 
also runs 5ms frame. 



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of John Woodfield 
<john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 1:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900MHz
 

Will they sync with PMP100 900?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


 -Original Message-
 From: "Ryan Ray" <ryan...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 6:01pm
 To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
 Subject: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900MHz



"We've been testing PMP450i 900MHz for almost a month now and we're really 
impressed with it. I have a 1.5 mile shot through multiple evergreen and 
deciduous trees, along with heavy interference in an urban environment (pager 
/scada noise spikes at around -65dBm across every channel). I get about 25mbps 
down and 2mbps up on speed tests using a 10MHz channel width. Latency/jitter is 
good enough for VoIP and gaming. I believe distributors will be shipping radios 
just after thanksgiving."

 
I found this on DSL reports. Anyone else had any experience with this 
equipment? How's it looking? Is there any word on pricing or ship times yet? 

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900MHz

[John Woodfield]

If that doesn't work I'd be interested in grabbing any 17's you have.
 
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "SmarterBroadband" <li...@smarterbroadband.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 3:27pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900MHz




We have a couple of hundred M2 Yagis left over from the old 900Mhz days.
 
I was thinking of using two of these for the new 900Mhz.  Re drill at 45 
degrees.  What would be the minimum distance between the two Yagi on a mount?
 
Adam
 


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 8:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900MHz
 



MSRP is $89.

Not difficult to figure out street price.

 

I can get two TY-900s for $280.  But spatial diversity!  And gold!

 

Actually, I wish there was a 12 inch 10 dBi panel, like a dual pol version of 
this:

[ https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=474662 ]( 
https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=474662 )

 



 


From: [ Chuck McCown ]( mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com ) 

Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 10:13 PM

To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900MHz

 




When someone discovers the street price of this thing, please let me know.



 


From: [ Sriram Chaturvedi ]( mailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com ) 

Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 6:44 PM

To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900MHz

 


Hi Eric, 
 
Yes. We offer an official Cambium dual polarity yagi. More info here: [ 
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/accessories/pmp450-900mhz-directional-antenna/
 ]( 
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/accessories/pmp450-900mhz-directional-antenna/
 )




[  ]( 
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/accessories/pmp450-900mhz-directional-antenna/
 )

900 MHz Directional Antenna - cambiumnetworks.com

900 MHz Directional Antenna. Details on the PMP 450i 900 MHz directional 
antenna.

[ Read more... ]( 
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/accessories/pmp450-900mhz-directional-antenna/
 )
Thanks,
Sriram
 



From: Af <[ af-boun...@afmug.com ]( mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com )> on behalf of 
Eric Kuhnke <[ eric.kuh...@gmail.com ]( mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com )>
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 7:37 PM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 900MHz

 


Is there an 'official' Cambium antenna or recommended antenna for dual polarity 
900 MHz yagi?  Something like the ubnt dual polarity yagi?


 

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Mathew Howard <[ mhoward...@gmail.com ]( 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com )> wrote:

Pricing has been available for awhile, APs are the same as the other 450, and 
SMs are a bit cheaper (considering no they're all uncapped). Last I heard they 
were saying it will ship late November... which should mean any day now.




 

On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 5:01 PM, Ryan Ray <[ ryan...@gmail.com ]( 
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com )> wrote:

"We've been testing PMP450i 900MHz for almost a month now and we're really 
impressed with it. I have a 1.5 mile shot through multiple evergreen and 
deciduous trees, along with heavy interference in an urban environment (pager 
/scada noise spikes at around -65dBm across every channel). I get about 25mbps 
down and 2mbps up on speed tests using a 10MHz channel width. Latency/jitter is 
good enough for VoIP and gaming. I believe distributors will be shipping radios 
just after thanksgiving."





I found this on DSL reports. Anyone else had any experience with this 
equipment? How's it looking? Is there any word on pricing or ship times yet? 

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Rohn free standing

[John Woodfield]

There were pictures somebody posted some years ago from Canada showing 
collapsed 300' 25G towers. I think that was during a major ice storm. I've 
heard of 300' 25G's but you wouldn't catch me climbing them. 45G would be iffy. 
I have one of those that is 200' I've never personally climbed but my guys say 
its pretty solid.


 
For footprint, figure guy anchors at 80% of the tower height in three 
directions.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 8:35am
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn free standing

Just a word of advice from a Florida boy… I wouldn’t build Rohn 25 over 150 
feet. We DO have two 190s in the air, but we beefed up the guying including two 
anti-twist sections (our own design).

Even on 120 ft. we do an anti-twist.

Rohn 45 is more suitable for 200ft + but at 250, I would be looking at Rohn 
55/65 for sure. (with anti-twists as well).

The Rohn site has all you need on footprints etc. Cost… texastowers.com can 
give you a quote

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 3:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn free standing

I don't know why I wrote freestanding, I meant guyed, obviously Anyone know 
cost or footprint?

On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Jerry Head 
li...@blountbroadband.commailto:li...@blountbroadband.com wrote:
We have a 190' 25g
6 guy points.
Top section is above the last guy point
I have been to the top several times, makes my palms sweat even now...


On 5/30/2015 6:34 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:

Rohn specs 25 for up to 190ft,n properly guyed they are fine. We have a 170ft 
25g with 5 guy levels and a torque arm on the 4th, very solid to climb.
On May 30, 2015 7:17 PM, Mathew Howard 
mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:
But just think how fun it would be to climb a free standing 200' 25G! Even 
guyed, I think it would be a rather frightening experience...

Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question

[John Woodfield]

Guilty as charged and there are not enough hours in a day for me to think about 
what works. I'll concentrate on what doesn't.
 
 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 12:14pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question





It’s a religious topic.  Don’t go there.  Be assured though that some infidels 
do redistribute connected (and even statics with an ACL) and have not been 
struck down by lightning.


 

From: [ That One Guy /sarcasm ]( mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com )
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 10:59 AM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question
 

i dont understand why the pop routers wouldnt just distribute connected. In not 
questioning to be a dick, I just dont understand. I cant see any reason there 
would be a route on a pop router under normal circumstances that i wouldnt want 
distributed? I have a total of three days of production OSPF so, though I know 
this makes me a secialist, Im wanting to learn
 

 
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Stefan Englhardt [ s...@genias.net ]( 
mailto:s...@genias.net ) wrote:



Ok. That’s a way ;-)).
 


Von: Af [mailto:[ af-boun...@afmug.com ]( mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com )] Im 
Auftrag von Faisal Imtiaz
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2015 15:52
An: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question
 


. Doing this you enable ospf on the interfaces with addresses within 
x.x.x.x/x.
This is not wanted on all edge networks/customer networks.

 

You are absolutely right Stefan, my colleagues failed to mention (assumed), 
that you should put all your physical interfaces in the OSPF interface and set 
them up as passive   :)

 

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: [ 305 663 5518 x 232 ]( tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 )

 
Help-desk: [ (305)663-5518 ]( tel:%28305%29663-5518 ) Option 2 or Email: [ 
supp...@snappytelecom.net ]( mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net ) 

 

From: Stefan Englhardt [ s...@genias.net ]( mailto:s...@genias.net )
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 9:45:04 AM


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question



 
Doing this you enable ospf on the interfaces with addresses within x.x.x.x/x.
This is not wanted on all edge networks/customer networks.
 


Von: Af [[ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ]( mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com )] Im 
Auftrag von Shayne Lebrun
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2015 15:33
An: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question
 
You tell the router what routes to redistribute, rather than telling the router 
to redistribute everything that’s there.
 
There’s never a reason not to simply take the extra five seconds to type 
‘/routing ospf network add network=x.x.x.x/x area=whatever’.
 
There’s a lot of very good reasons not to, however.
 
 


From: Af [[ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ]( mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com )] On 
Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 8:16 AM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question
 
Looked twice at this. How does your network know the route to a network 
connected to one of your routers if he does not redistribute this information 
into ospf?
 
 


Von: Af [[ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ]( mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com )] Im 
Auftrag von Dennis Burgess
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2015 14:10
An: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question
 
There are about 0 times when you should distribute connected, just a FYI.  99% 
of the time it causes issues with unintended and/or unneeded distribution of 
routes .. 
 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
[ den...@linktechs.net ]( mailto:den...@linktechs.net ) – [ 314-735-0270 ]( 
tel:314-735-0270 ) – [ www.linktechs.net ]( http://www.linktechs.net )
 


From: Af [[ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ]( mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com )] On 
Behalf Of Gilbert Gutierrez
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:47 PM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mt ospf question
 
Are you redistributing Connected? If the /30 is not on the networks tab, then 
you will need to redistribute connected routes. If you add static routes 
pointing to places you will want to redistribute static routes as well.

 
Gilbert

On 5/20/2015 1:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

So I have this here mikrotik Ive been implementing ospf on 

Right now because this is transition, all MT ports hit the same switch

Eth6 is on a /30 that is going to a powercode BMU thats distributing the 
default route, it works fine

Eth2 is on a /30 that is going to a fortigate, it works fine

 

the routes propagate as they should

 

I initially tried to add another /30 to Eth2 for a second fortigate, but it 
wouldnt let me add the netwok

so I put that /30 on eth3 it comes up in a state designated router

 

I moved it to eth4, same thing designated router the other 

Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)

[John Woodfield]

I have a pair ;-)
 
 
 
John

-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:49pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Come on Unbt! (AF-5X)


That sounds like it's your story.

bppart15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/20/2015 8:35 AM, Nate Burke wrote:I got a note from Ubnt about a contest 
to 'Share your AF-5X story, and win a pair of radios'� I would love to submit 
a story !! IF I COULD GET RADIOS !!

 Get them into distribution before you start having contests� I have a 
standing order with my distributor, but they say they have no idea when they'll 
be getting more radios to fill it.

 Nate

Re: [AFMUG] epmp lockups

[John Woodfield]

Had this issue once. Resolved by dropping TX power slightly.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 11:27am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp lockups




 
on three different radios on two towers? :)
 
- Original Message -
From: [ Josh Luthman ]( mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com )
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp lockups
Bad Ethernet port?  Replace it.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On May 16, 2015 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller [ par...@cyberbroadband.net ]( 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net ) wrote:


 
We're running some EPMP 2.4 - recently, we've seen a higher number of lockups 
than normal.  I would say in the 6 months or so we've been running it, i've 
certainly seen at least one lockup with each access point.
 
A few questions - 
 
Is anyone else seeing this, or are we just lucky?
 
If so, is there a firmware version you see this less?
 
We have rebooters at most of the sites it's occurring but at least one site I 
know doesn't have one.
(i know cause i had someone out there at 1:30 this morning and now i'm about to 
go out there!)
 
Thanks!
-jf
 

Re: [AFMUG] epmp lockups

[John Woodfield]

With mine it was, yes.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 3:49pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp lockups



Quick question...

Is the wireless interface itself still up and broadcasting during this 
time?

On 2015-05-16 12:48 pm, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote:
 I've had a couple regular connectorized radios in AP mode appear to
 crash. Logged into the MikroTiks they're attached to, interface shows
 up at 100FDX, no traffic, can't ping it. Bouncing the MT interface
 brought them back, no reboot required. No other radios at the sites
 had any issues. Hasn't happened again in months, so I don't know what
 the problem may have been at the time. And I haven't messed with
 firmware on those either.
 
 On 5/16/2015 10:27 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
 
 on three different radios on two towers? :)
 
 - Original Message -
 FROM: Josh Luthman
 TO: af@afmug.com
 SENT: Saturday, May 16, 2015 9:34 AM
 SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] epmp lockups
 
 Bad Ethernet port? Replace it.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On May 16, 2015 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
 par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:
 
 We're running some EPMP 2.4 - recently, we've seen a higher number
 of lockups than normal. I would say in the 6 months or so we've
 been running it, i've certainly seen at least one lockup with each
 access point.
 
 A few questions -
 
 Is anyone else seeing this, or are we just lucky?
 
 If so, is there a firmware version you see this less?
 
 We have rebooters at most of the sites it's occurring but at least
 one site I know doesn't have one.
 (i know cause i had someone out there at 1:30 this morning and now
 i'm about to go out there!)
 
 Thanks!
 -jf

-- 
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

[AFMUG] Need to pay someone to harden edge Mikrotik router

[John Woodfield]

Subject says it all. Running a CCR-1016-12S-1S+ 
 
Need to find someone who I can pay to remote in and properly set up the 
firewall. DDOS attack was not on my Saturday bucket list.
 
Hit me up off site with an estimate. I would imagine it should be pretty simple 
but I'd like to get it done well like now lol.
 
 
Thanks,
 
 
 
John

Re: [AFMUG] Need to pay someone to harden edge Mikrotik router

[John Woodfield]

Thanks. Looks like its working good.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 4:26pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need to pay someone to harden edge Mikrotik router



Butch has a great firewall on his website.  I've used it for 8 years with 
success.
Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
On May 9, 2015 4:17 PM, John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( 
mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) wrote:

Subject says it all. Running a CCR-1016-12S-1S+ 
 
Need to find someone who I can pay to remote in and properly set up the 
firewall. DDOS attack was not on my Saturday bucket list.
 
Hit me up off site with an estimate. I would imagine it should be pretty simple 
but I'd like to get it done well like now lol.
 
 
Thanks,
 
 
 
John

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4

[John Woodfield]

No better than Ubiquiti in 2.4?
 
 
 
John 


-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 11:01pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4



802.11 quality :P
I can't really give you a good answer.
Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
On May 8, 2015 10:59 PM, John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( 
mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) wrote:

Perfect, Thanks
 
How has it performed in noisy environments?


-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com )
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 10:48pm
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4



Says 27 is max on my US radio.
Josh Luthman
 Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:937-552-2340 )
 Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:937-552-2343 )
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
On May 8, 2015 10:41 PM, John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( 
mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) wrote:

Will they turn up above 21dbm? If I am using a 10dbi omni in a development for 
example I would want them to run at 27 to equal 36 EIRP with 1db loss on the 
jumpers.
 
 
John Woodfield
 
 
 
 
 
From: Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com )
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 9:19pm
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) [ af@afmug.com ]( 
mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4



With my 90* sectors I can do 21dBm on 15dBi @ 10 MHz.




Josh Luthman
Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:937-552-2340 )
Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:937-552-2343 )
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 8:39 PM, John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( 
mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) wrote:

What is the actual maximum TX power you can set these to US models?
 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4

[John Woodfield]

Will they turn up above 21dbm? If I am using a 10dbi omni in a development for 
example I would want them to run at 27 to equal 36 EIRP with 1db loss on the 
jumpers.
 
 
John Woodfield
 
 
 
 
 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 9:19pm
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4



With my 90* sectors I can do 21dBm on 15dBi @ 10 MHz.




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 8:39 PM, John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( 
mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) wrote:

What is the actual maximum TX power you can set these to US models?
 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4

[John Woodfield]

Perfect, Thanks
 
How has it performed in noisy environments?


-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 10:48pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4



Says 27 is max on my US radio.
Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
On May 8, 2015 10:41 PM, John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( 
mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) wrote:

Will they turn up above 21dbm? If I am using a 10dbi omni in a development for 
example I would want them to run at 27 to equal 36 EIRP with 1db loss on the 
jumpers.
 
 
John Woodfield
 
 
 
 
 
From: Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com )
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 9:19pm
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) [ af@afmug.com ]( 
mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4



With my 90* sectors I can do 21dBm on 15dBi @ 10 MHz.




Josh Luthman
Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:937-552-2340 )
Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:937-552-2343 )
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 8:39 PM, John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( 
mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) wrote:

What is the actual maximum TX power you can set these to US models?
 

[AFMUG] ePMP 2.4

[John Woodfield]

What is the actual maximum TX power you can set these to US models?
 

Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5

[John Woodfield]

I thought you gained 2db because of MIMO?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 9:35pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nanobridge M5



Well you're losing 3db because of MIMO.  At least 1db from what the antennas 
say.  What's the signal now?
Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
On May 7, 2015 9:32 PM, Glen Waldrop [ gwl...@cngwireless.net ]( 
mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net ) wrote:


I've got a few links out there with the NBM5, longest is around 12 miles. 

According to the math I should get a decent shot at 24 miles, but according to 
that same math the NBM5 should have higher signal in every single link I've 
done.

My question here is what is the longest link you've done with the NBM5 25 and 
what is the actual gain on these units since they don't seem to actually gain 
25 as they're suppose to.

I'm not opposed to using a Rocket and larger dish, just trying to see what the 
actual limits to the device are and what the actual gain is for math.

Currently I've got the 24 mile shot with a 29 and 26dBi grids, decent, but 
still using 2008 MT hardware. I need more speed for growth.

Re: [AFMUG] 11Ghz Licensed Gear

[John Woodfield]

FCC changed that rule IIRC

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 27, 2015, at 4:12 PM, Hardy, Tim tha...@comsearch.com wrote:
 
 Can't go below 3' at 6 GHz..
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 4:05 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11Ghz Licensed Gear
 
 What sort of throughput are you looking for Matt?
 
 You can't go below 2' dishes with 6GHz and with that distance, the dish size 
 will be a significant factor in determining throughput.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Jeff
 
 
 Jeff Broadwick
 Senior Account Manager, Convergence Technologies, Inc.
 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
 312-205-2519 Office
 574-220-7826 Cell
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 3:50 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11Ghz Licensed Gear
 
 This is a 10 mile hop in USA.  Would like to stay at 2 foot dishes or even 18 
 inch on one end.  Limited tower space on one end of link.
 
 
 On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:
 SAF does 24GHz too.
 
 If you have Lumina... Integra is a nice step up (performance wise, GUI 
 wise, feature set wise).  Also Integra 24GHz is the only radio 
 certified for use with 4ft antennas in the unlicensed band (and that 
 goes for Canada too) :-)
 
 **
 *
 Daniel White - Managing Director
 SAF North America LLC
 Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
 Skype: danieldwhite
 Social: LinkedIn
 
 **
 *
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 10:09 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11Ghz Licensed Gear
 
 Instead of making it licensed, if it's short, why not use 24GHz?
 
 Rory
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 7:48 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] 11Ghz Licensed Gear
 
 Looking at updating a short 5Ghz link to licensed.  In past we have 
 used SAF and pretty happy with it.  What other affordable gear is out there 
 now?
 

Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest J Arm Source

[John Woodfield]

Doesn't charge me shipping  when I use Paypal to checkout. Is it real?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 8:23pm
To: af af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest J Arm Source



These are the cheapest I've been able to find.

[ http://www.mowinet.com/shop/?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=30 ]( 
http://www.mowinet.com/shop/?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=30 )




On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 7:09 PM, John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( 
mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) wrote:

Thoughts? We used to  buy them from the local DirecTV installer but he isn't 
working there anymore...
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] For sale 5GHz ePMP 1000 with dish

[John Woodfield]

They also have a thing for fried pig intestine and a bunch of other stuff that 
scares me. I learned after the first pot lock at church that pot luck with 
Filipinos is literally pot luck lol. I eat the salad.
 
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 5:50pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For sale 5GHz ePMP 1000 with dish



Filipinos have a thing for spam.  *shrugs* I grew up on a farm, so I just go 
get real meat.  ;-)




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 4:47:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For sale 5GHz ePMP 1000 with dish




Mmmm,  Fried spam with tabasco.
Fried spam sandwich with miracle whip.
Spam and rice and eggs.
Cold spam in macaroni salad.
 
Don’t be hatin’ on spam.  Gud stuff. 


 

From: [ Bill Prince ]( mailto:part15...@gmail.com )
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 3:42 PM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For sale 5GHz ePMP 1000 with dish
 
_TWO_ cans of Spam.


bppart15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/27/2015 2:09 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
$35, if you'll throw in a can of Spam.

 
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ) wrote:

$30.  No spam.





 Josh Luthman
Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:937-552-2340 )
Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:937-552-2343 )
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Paul McCall [ pa...@pdmnet.net ]( 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net ) wrote:



$ 26.47 and a can of Spam
 
From: Af [mailto:[ af-boun...@afmug.com ]( mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com )] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 2:50 PM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For sale 5GHz ePMP 1000 with dish
 

25

 




 
Josh Luthman
Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:937-552-2340 )
Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:937-552-2343 )
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
 



On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Mathew Howard [ mhoward...@gmail.com ]( 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com ) wrote:

$24.53

 

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ) wrote:


23
Josh Luthman
Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:937-552-2340 )
Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:937-552-2343 )
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Mar 27, 2015 1:56 PM, Paul McCall [ pa...@pdmnet.net ]( 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net ) wrote:


$ 22.37
 
From: Af [mailto:[ af-boun...@afmug.com ]( mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com )] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 1:27 PM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For sale 5GHz ePMP 1000 with dish
 
$20
Josh Luthman
Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:937-552-2340 )
Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:937-552-2343 )
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 27, 2015 1:05 PM, Christopher Tyler [ ch...@totalhighspeed.net ]( 
mailto:ch...@totalhighspeed.net ) wrote:
Is that $1.29 or $129.00?  ;)

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
[ 417.851.1107 ]( tel:417.851.1107 )

- Original Message -
From: Jaime Solorza [ losguyswirel...@gmail.com ]( 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com )
To: Animal Farm [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 10:32:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For sale 5GHz ePMP 1000 with dish

1.29  my best offer

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
[ 915-861-1390 ]( tel:915-861-1390 )

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Christopher Tyler [ ch...@totalhighspeed.net 
]( mailto:ch...@totalhighspeed.net )



 wrote:

 It's brand new btw. Never been used.

 --
 Christopher Tyler
 MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
 Total Highspeed Internet Services
 [ 417.851.1107 ]( tel:417.851.1107 )

 - Original Message -
 From: Christopher Tyler [ ch...@totalhighspeed.net ]( 
 mailto:ch...@totalhighspeed.net )
 To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 10:26:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For sale 5GHz ePMP 1000 with dish

 For the record I did put Or best offer... I thought the radio was $129
 and then the dish was an additional $69 retail. I have no idea as we don't
 buy these radios.
 Anyway, if you want it make me an offer, it's just a little extra spending
 money to me, it was free so it's 100% profit no matter what I get out of it
 :)

 --
 Christopher Tyler
 MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
 Total Highspeed Internet Services
 [ 417.851.1107 ]( tel:417.851.1107 )

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( 
 mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com )
 To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 9:48:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] For sale 5GHz ePMP 1000 with dish

 Ya it's 129 retail :P

 Josh Luthman
 Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:937-552-2340 )
 Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:937-552

Re: [AFMUG] anybody good with radio mobile?

[John Woodfield]

wisp.heywhatsthat.com its free. Check the setting for tree coverage and its 
pretty accurate. Far more than towercoverage.com in my opinion.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 9:51am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] anybody good with radio mobile?




Guys
Is anybody good with radio mobile? I got some sites I need checked out for 
coverage and I know most of you guys will say use towercoverage.com but I 
really don’t want to pay for something that I am only going use few times.
 
If anybody is good at it hit me off list
 
Tim

Re: [AFMUG] Netflix Traffic

[John Woodfield]

Same here.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 11:21pm
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix Traffic




We saw 400% over the last year.
 
Rory
 


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 8:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix Traffic
 

Usage Based Billing



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
[ http://www.ics-il.com ]( http://www.ics-il.com )
 


From: Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) [ r...@latrobeit.com.au ]( 
mailto:r...@latrobeit.com.au )
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 10:01:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix Traffic
After a quick Google, I still need to ask, what is UBB please?
 
 
 

From: Af [[ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ]( mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com )] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, 24 March 2015 1:59 PM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflix Traffic
 
It'll jump I expect but keep in mind many connections are UBB.
Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 23, 2015 10:54 PM, Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) [ r...@latrobeit.com.au ]( 
mailto:r...@latrobeit.com.au ) wrote:


Hi Guys
 
Netflix is now available in Australia.
I’m wondering about the bandwidth jump that is to be expected.
 
Does anyone have rough information as to what percentage of peak hour traffic 
is Netflix?
Its seems to work fine with only 2mbps, Is this what you have seen also?
 
Thanks
 
Rhys
 
 
 
 

[AFMUG] ePMP Omni

[John Woodfield]

Using a UBNT 13dbi 5ghz Omni running 23dbm TX at 5800. Any chance I'm going to 
get 2.9 miles out of just an integrated SM? Seems like it should work on paper, 
wasn't sure if anyone had pushed the limit on these to see if they will 
actually work that that distance with an omni.
 
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] verizon wireless nat

[John Woodfield]

So is this address space available for our use?
100.64.0.0/10



John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 7:01pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] verizon wireless nat



Is it me or does verizon wireless nat customers and not allow inbound traffic? 
i.e. hosting a server, I just setup a mikrotik connected to the internet via a 
usb modem and I can't even ping or login to it's IP

Re: [AFMUG] verizon wireless nat

[John Woodfield]

That is kind of what I was thinking.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 10:38pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] verizon wireless nat





I think probably yes, but as not routable beyond your network.  It’s space that 
should never exist in customer networks or the public Internet.  And since it’s 
not publicly routable, I can use it, you can use it, Comcast and Verizon can 
use it over and over.
 
So instead of picking some obscure range in RFC1918 space like 10.199.x.x to 
hand out to your customers and hoping none of them use those addresses 
internally, you could use the CGN space.
 
I’m sure there is additional stuff that I don’t understand that makes it 
“carrier grade”.
 


 

From: [ John Woodfield ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz )
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 9:17 PM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] verizon wireless nat
 

So is this address space available for our use?
100.64.0.0/10



John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 7:01pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] verizon wireless nat



Is it me or does verizon wireless nat customers and not allow inbound traffic? 
i.e. hosting a server, I just setup a mikrotik connected to the internet via a 
usb modem and I can't even ping or login to it's IP

Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive but great router

[John Woodfield]

Yes. SNMP is broken specifically if you monitor with the Dude. Causes CPU 
spikes 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 17, 2015, at 10:48 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
 
 Why do you say that?  How do you monitor them without SNMP?  You could 
 certainly apply firewall rules to port 161 to restrict access if you are 
 worried about DoS attacks or community string dictionary attacks.
  
 Is your comment specifically about the 2011?  I have SNMP enabled on all of 
 mine.
  
 From: John Woodfield
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 9:42 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive but great router
  
 +1 on 2011's but don't enable SNMP on them
  
  
  
 John Woodfield, President
 Delmarva WiFi Inc.
 410-870-WiFi
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com
 Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 9:21pm
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Inexpensive but great router
 
 Anyone have a suggestion on an inexpensive but really good router that can 
 handle routing 4 VLANs and OSPF? I need to replace my EdgeRouters that panic 
 weekly. I have one at each pop.
 
 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

[John Woodfield]

I guess that still depends on the situation. If the landlord is getting 
kickbacks from the cable company for having service in an MDU I call BS. If the 
landlord allows a satellite for TV but not an antenna for Internet I call BS. 
It all depends on the situation.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 11:10pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna



Maybe all governments speak from both sides of their mouth.  In this case I 
think there's a good reason for it, they say Landlords, you cannot prohibit 
tenants from having an antenna.  They're not saying, Landlords, you must let 
John and Adam drill holes in your house, because they straight up can't make a 
mandate like that.

 If you *can* force the landlord to accept your antenna being on their building 
against their will, would you really want to?  You gain $30-50/month, but also 
make a permanent enemy.  IMO, better to just defuse the anger as best you can 
and fix the damage.


So like everything else they are talking out both sides of their mouth. The 
problem becomes, how much aggravation does the landlord want to go through as 
the burden of proof undisputedly lies with them.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


 -Original Message-
 From: Adam Moffett [ dmmoff...@gmail.com ]( mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com )
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:45pm
 To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna



I've been going by the FCC QA posted here:
[ http://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-reception-devices-rule#QA ]( 
http://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-reception-devices-rule#QA )

 Highlighting added by me


Q:  If I live in a condominium or an apartment building, does this rule apply 
to me? 
A:  The rule applies to antenna users who live in a multiple dwelling unit 
building, such as a condominium or apartment building, if the antenna user has 
an exclusive use area in which to install the antenna.  Exclusive use means 
an area of the property that only you, and persons you permit, may enter and 
use to the exclusion of other residents.  For example, your condominium or 
apartment may include a balcony, terrace, deck or patio that only you can use, 
and the rule applies to these areas.  The rule does not apply to common areas, 
such as the roof, the hallways, the walkways or the exterior walls of a 
condominium or apartment building.  Restrictions on antennas installed in these 
common areas are not covered by the Commission's rule.  For example, the rule 
would not apply to restrictions that prevent drilling through the exterior wall 
of a condominium or rental unit and thus restrictions may prohibit installation 
that requires such drilling.


Don't think so. The rules are clear that permitted restrictions have to be 
reasonable and if there is a conflict the burden of proof is on the 
landlord.
 
Further, restrictions cannot violate the impairment clause in section 2.2 i.e. 
may not unreasonable delay or increase costs, or preclude reception or 
transmission of an acceptable quality signal.
 
This article, written by an attorney, addresses most of the misconceptions that 
have been voiced here
 
[ http://www.wba-law.com/Unique_Practice_Areas/Homeowners_Associations/ ]( 
http://www.wba-law.com/Unique_Practice_Areas/Homeowners_Associations/ )
 
John


 -Original Message-
 From: Adam Moffett [ dmmoff...@gmail.com ]( mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com )
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:24pm
 To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna



OTARD says the landlord can't tell you not to put an antenna on the house.  The 
landlord absolutely *can* tell you not to put holes in his property.  The FCC 
website on the topic spells this out pretty clearly.

 I.E.: OTARD protects you if you can manage to install without any 
penetrations.  This is why you'll see apartment complexes with dishes clamped 
on the deck railings and they make flat coax to go in through a window.  

OTARD rules cover it.
It's s town home so you can mount anywhere on their portion of the building 
including the roof.
If he has an issue with the cable and holes he needs to talk to the renter.
You could also let him know that quality internet service makes his property 
more rentable.


 On Monday, March 16, 2015, Darin Steffl [ darin.ste...@mnwifi.com ]( 
mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com ) wrote:

Hey all,
So I got an angry call from a owner of a townhouse who rents it out to one of 
our new internet customers. We were never made aware the home was a rental in 
any way. Our techs always ask permission on where to mount the dish and bring 
in the wire and they were given approval to mount the dish on the roof and 
drill a hole for the wire. If it was a rental, we would have talked

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

[John Woodfield]

I'm calling BS on this.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 17, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
 
 You still have to work it out with the actual owner, regardless of what the 
 tenant told you or even signed.
 
 Travis
 
 On 3/17/2015 10:16 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
 On 3/17/15 9:11, Travis Johnson wrote:
 I would talk to the tenant and try and resolve things, but the ISP is
 who did the actual damage to the property, without permission. Yes, they
 assumed they had permission, but without a signed contract from the
 legal owner of the property, the ISP does not have permission to cause
 damage to the property.
 
 
 What do you do if your tenants misrepresent themselves as the owner with 
 authority?
 
 ~Seth
 

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

[John Woodfield]

Many landlords with that attitude end up criminally charged. There is such a 
thing as tenant rights and due process. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 17, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 
 It sounds right to me.  He owns the land and property.  Owner is king of his 
 castle.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 On Mar 17, 2015 1:13 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote:
 I'm calling BS on this.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Mar 17, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
 
  You still have to work it out with the actual owner, regardless of what 
  the tenant told you or even signed.
 
  Travis
 
  On 3/17/2015 10:16 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
  On 3/17/15 9:11, Travis Johnson wrote:
  I would talk to the tenant and try and resolve things, but the ISP is
  who did the actual damage to the property, without permission. Yes, they
  assumed they had permission, but without a signed contract from the
  legal owner of the property, the ISP does not have permission to cause
  damage to the property.
 
 
  What do you do if your tenants misrepresent themselves as the owner with 
  authority?
 
  ~Seth
 

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

[John Woodfield]

It seems that OTARD was intended more to deal with HOA BS than tenant rights. 
Thankfully I have never had to deal with it. Thankfully I never intend to 
become a rental tenant again. As far as the WISP is concerned, I would think 
this would be a matter to turn over to whoever underwrites their liability 
insurance and let them argue with the landlord about what constitutes damage.
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 2:16pm
To: af af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna




Don't get me wrong, if I was the landlord I certainly wouldn't consider it a 
huge damage problem... I might even consider it an improvement, but I'm not the 
landlord.

In my opinion, it's the tenants responsibility anyway, since we're only doing 
what they hired us to do... but it's still a fight I'd want to try to avoid.


On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Ken Hohhof [ af...@kwisp.com ]( 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com ) wrote:




Most owners of residential rental property worry more about the tenant using it 
as a meth lab or grow house or “party house”.
 
You folks must live in a very upscale neighborhood if a J-pipe foot on the roof 
and a nicely caulked up 1/4 inch hole in the siding is a huge damage problem 
requiring that roofers and siding contractors be called to install all new 
stuff.
 
Maybe this is why rental areas of Kansas City got passed over as Google Fiber 
fiberhoods.  Ooh, we need to drill a hole in the wall.  Oh, the humanity!
 


 

From: [ Mathew Howard ]( mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com )
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 12:55 PM
To: [ af ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna
 

I'm pretty any changes you make to someone else's property could be considered 
damage unless it's normal wear and tear. The fact is, it's going to cost the 
landlord money if he wants it put back to the original condition, it might not 
be reasonable in most people opinion to put it back to the original condition, 
but I see no reason he wouldn't have the right it... who is responsible is 
another matter, but I don't think you can really argue there was no damage.

 
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Mike Hammett [ af...@ics-il.net ]( 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net ) wrote:


As I said, I think we differ.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
[ http://www.ics-il.com ]( http://www.ics-il.com )

From: Travis Johnson [ t...@ida.net ]( mailto:t...@ida.net )
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 12:37:38 PM 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

Installing a J-mount (drilling holes in a roof) and cable penetration (drilling 
a hole in the side of the house) is DEFINITELY damage to the property. Any 
warranty on the roof becomes null and void unless a certified roofer does the 
work and certifies the install. Drilling a hole through the siding and house is 
also damage.

Travis



On 3/17/2015 11:28 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I think we differ on what constitutes damage.

Installing a J-mount and a cable penetration, no.
Not sealing the above properly and water or critters intrude upon the 
structure, yes.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
[ http://www.ics-il.com ]( http://www.ics-il.com )

From: Travis Johnson [ mailto:t...@ida.net ]( mailto:t...@ida.net )


To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 12:26:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

Tenants do not have the right to damage my property, regardless of their rights 
and due process.

Travis


On 3/17/2015 11:19 AM, John Woodfield wrote:
Many landlords with that attitude end up criminally charged. There is such a 
thing as tenant rights and due process. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 17, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ) wrote:



It sounds right to me.  He owns the land and property.  Owner is king of his 
castle.
Josh Luthman
Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:937-552-2340 )
Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:937-552-2343 )
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 17, 2015 1:13 PM, John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( 
mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) wrote:
I'm calling BS on this.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 17, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Travis Johnson [ t...@ida.net ]( 
 mailto:t...@ida.net ) wrote:

 You still have to work it out with the actual owner, regardless of what the 
 tenant told you or even signed.

 Travis

 On 3/17/2015 10:16 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
 On 3/17/15 9:11, Travis Johnson wrote:
 I would talk to the tenant and try and resolve things, but the ISP is
 who did the actual damage to the property, without permission. Yes, they
 assumed they had permission, but without a signed contract from the
 legal owner of the property, the ISP does not have permission

Re: [AFMUG] Inexpensive but great router

[John Woodfield]

+1 on 2011's but don't enable SNMP on them
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 9:21pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Inexpensive but great router



Anyone have a suggestion on an inexpensive but really good router that can 
handle routing 4 VLANs and OSPF? I need to replace my EdgeRouters that panic 
weekly. I have one at each pop.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

[John Woodfield]

I agree. Landlord/tenant/security deposit issue. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 17, 2015, at 9:41 AM, CARL PETERSON cpeter...@portnetworks.com wrote:
 
 
 This issue isn’t about OTARD.  It is an issue between the tenant and the 
 landlord and you should make this very clear to the landlord.  If the tenant 
 called a painter to paint the living room, or Best Buy to mount a TV on the 
 wall etc, I highly doubt the landlord would be going after the painter or 
 Best Buy.  This situation is no different.
 
 If you did crap work and damaged something, thats a different matter, but if 
 you did exactly what the tenant requested and didn’t screw anything else up, 
 then it is an issue between the tenant and the landlord.  The Tenant is 
 responsible for the property and has a right to utilize the property but that 
 isn’t your fight, it is the tenants fight and I wouldn’t even get involved.
 
  
 
 On Mar 17, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Rory McCann rmm.li...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If the landlord owns the property, they should ultimately have the final 
 say. If the tenant did indeed lie/withhold the information in this case, 
 bye-bye deposit.
 
 I get the OTARD argument, but I can guarantee if I was renting a townhouse 
 and a tenant didn't ask for permission to mount something to the roof and 
 drill holes, not only would the antenna be coming down but they'd either be 
 fixing it or out on their asses sans deposit. It would definitely be part of 
 the lease agreement.
 
 Personally, I'm of the group that believes you catch more flies with honey 
 than vinegar so I would work with the landlord to make it right. If you 
 handle things properly, you may actually end up gaining business - 
 especially if he/she has other properties and is satisfied with how you 
 resolved the issue. I'm betting they are just pissed right now about it and 
 will cool off to a more reasonable level in the next few days.
 Rory McCann
 MKAP Technology Solutions
 Web: www.mkap.net
 On 3/17/2015 5:56 AM, John Woodfield wrote:
 I guess that still depends on the situation. If the landlord is getting 
 kickbacks from the cable company for having service in an MDU I call BS. If 
 the landlord allows a satellite for TV but not an antenna for Internet I 
 call BS. It all depends on the situation.
  
  
  
 John Woodfield, President
 Delmarva WiFi Inc.
 410-870-WiFi
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 11:10pm
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna
 
 Maybe all governments speak from both sides of their mouth.  In this case I 
 think there's a good reason for it, they say Landlords, you cannot 
 prohibit tenants from having an antenna.  They're not saying, Landlords, 
 you must let John and Adam drill holes in your house, because they 
 straight up can't make a mandate like that.
 
 If you *can* force the landlord to accept your antenna being on their 
 building against their will, would you really want to?  You gain 
 $30-50/month, but also make a permanent enemy.  IMO, better to just defuse 
 the anger as best you can and fix the damage.
 
 So like everything else they are talking out both sides of their mouth. The 
 problem becomes, how much aggravation does the landlord want to go through 
 as the burden of proof undisputedly lies with them.
  
  
  
 John Woodfield, President
 Delmarva WiFi Inc.
 410-870-WiFi
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:45pm
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna
 
 I've been going by the FCC QA posted here:
 http://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-reception-devices-rule#QA
 
 Highlighting added by me
 
 Q:  If I live in a condominium or an apartment building, does this rule 
 apply to me?
 A:  The rule applies to antenna users who live in a multiple dwelling unit 
 building, such as a condominium or apartment building, if the antenna user 
 has an exclusive use area in which to install the antenna.  Exclusive use 
 means an area of the property that only you, and persons you permit, may 
 enter and use to the exclusion of other residents.  For example, your 
 condominium or apartment may include a balcony, terrace, deck or patio that 
 only you can use, and the rule applies to these areas.  The rule does not 
 apply to common areas, such as the roof, the hallways, 
 the walkways or the exterior walls of a condominium or apartment building.  
 Restrictions on antennas installed in these common areas are not covered by 
 the Commission's rule.  For example, the rule would not apply to 
 restrictions that prevent drilling through the exterior wall of a 
 condominium or rental unit and thus restrictions may prohibit installation 
 that requires such drilling.
 
 
 Don't think so. The rules are clear that permitted restrictions have to be 
 reasonable and if there is a conflict the burden of proof

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

[John Woodfield]

Perhaps. I would argue that if professionally installed there is no damage. 
Again, the burden of proof is on the landlord.
 
 
 
John


-Original Message-
From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 6:24pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna


If you drilled holes in the roof to mount an antenna, you caused damage. If you 
drilled a hole to run the CAT5 cable into the house, you caused damage.

 Travis



On 3/16/2015 2:01 PM, John Woodfield wrote:
Does the tenant have exclusive right to the area of the roof where you mounted 
the antenna or is it a shared area among tenants? Does the landlord own 
multiple units there or just the unit where you installed the antenna?
 
Its obviously an OTARD issue and I would tell the landlord to pound sand. 
Apparently there is some part of OTARD that states you can't cause damage but 
the burden of proof that damage was caused is on the landlord.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


 -Original Message-
 From: Darin Steffl [ darin.ste...@mnwifi.com ]( 
mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com )
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:56pm
 To: [ memb...@wispa.org ]( mailto:memb...@wispa.org ) [ memb...@wispa.org 
]( mailto:memb...@wispa.org ), [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) [ 
af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ), Principal WISPA Member List [ 
w...@wispa.org ]( mailto:w...@wispa.org )
 Subject: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna



Hey all,
So I got an angry call from a owner of a townhouse who rents it out to one of 
our new internet customers. We were never made aware the home was a rental in 
any way. Our techs always ask permission on where to mount the dish and bring 
in the wire and they were given approval to mount the dish on the roof and 
drill a hole for the wire. If it was a rental, we would have talked to the 
landlord.
The home owner now wants us to remove the dish, cable, and holes and restore 
everything to original condition. He wants new siding, new shingles, the whole 
works. 

I don't exactly know how I should handle this situation. We won't be pulling 
the mount off the roof because it is sealed if we leave it there. We can't move 
the dish because the signal is only good there. Do we have any sort of 
protection from OTARD or anything that allows us to keep things in place since 
we were given permission from the tenant?
Ideas or ways to handle this smoothly? We are not going to pay for new siding 
or roofing when we were given permission to install. If anything, the tenant 
would be responsible since we did the work on their behalf. -- 


Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
[ www.mnwifi.com ]( http://www.mnwifi.com/ )
507-634-WiFi
[  ]( http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi ) [ Like us on Facebook ]( 
http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi )

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

[John Woodfield]

Don't think so. The rules are clear that permitted restrictions have to be 
reasonable and if there is a conflict the burden of proof is on the 
landlord.
 
Further, restrictions cannot violate the impairment clause in section 2.2 i.e. 
may not unreasonable delay or increase costs, or preclude reception or 
transmission of an acceptable quality signal.
 
This article, written by an attorney, addresses most of the misconceptions that 
have been voiced here
 
http://www.wba-law.com/Unique_Practice_Areas/Homeowners_Associations/
 
John


-Original Message-
From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:24pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna



OTARD says the landlord can't tell you not to put an antenna on the house.  The 
landlord absolutely *can* tell you not to put holes in his property.  The FCC 
website on the topic spells this out pretty clearly.

 I.E.: OTARD protects you if you can manage to install without any 
penetrations.  This is why you'll see apartment complexes with dishes clamped 
on the deck railings and they make flat coax to go in through a window.  

OTARD rules cover it.
It's s town home so you can mount anywhere on their portion of the building 
including the roof.
If he has an issue with the cable and holes he needs to talk to the renter.
You could also let him know that quality internet service makes his property 
more rentable.


 On Monday, March 16, 2015, Darin Steffl [ darin.ste...@mnwifi.com ]( 
mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com ) wrote:

Hey all,
So I got an angry call from a owner of a townhouse who rents it out to one of 
our new internet customers. We were never made aware the home was a rental in 
any way. Our techs always ask permission on where to mount the dish and bring 
in the wire and they were given approval to mount the dish on the roof and 
drill a hole for the wire. If it was a rental, we would have talked to the 
landlord.
The home owner now wants us to remove the dish, cable, and holes and restore 
everything to original condition. He wants new siding, new shingles, the whole 
works. 

I don't exactly know how I should handle this situation. We won't be pulling 
the mount off the roof because it is sealed if we leave it there. We can't move 
the dish because the signal is only good there. Do we have any sort of 
protection from OTARD or anything that allows us to keep things in place since 
we were given permission from the tenant?
Ideas or ways to handle this smoothly? We are not going to pay for new siding 
or roofing when we were given permission to install. If anything, the tenant 
would be responsible since we did the work on their behalf. -- 


Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
[ www.mnwifi.com ]( http://www.mnwifi.com/ )
507-634-WiFi
[  ]( http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi ) [ Like us on Facebook ]( 
http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi )

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

[John Woodfield]

So like everything else they are talking out both sides of their mouth. The 
problem becomes, how much aggravation does the landlord want to go through as 
the burden of proof undisputedly lies with them.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:45pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna



I've been going by the FCC QA posted here:
[ http://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-reception-devices-rule#QA ]( 
http://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-reception-devices-rule#QA )

 Highlighting added by me


Q:  If I live in a condominium or an apartment building, does this rule apply 
to me? 
A:  The rule applies to antenna users who live in a multiple dwelling unit 
building, such as a condominium or apartment building, if the antenna user has 
an exclusive use area in which to install the antenna.  Exclusive use means 
an area of the property that only you, and persons you permit, may enter and 
use to the exclusion of other residents.  For example, your condominium or 
apartment may include a balcony, terrace, deck or patio that only you can use, 
and the rule applies to these areas.  The rule does not apply to common areas, 
such as the roof, the hallways, the walkways or the exterior walls of a 
condominium or apartment building.  Restrictions on antennas installed in these 
common areas are not covered by the Commission's rule.  For example, the rule 
would not apply to restrictions that prevent drilling through the exterior wall 
of a condominium or rental unit and thus restrictions may prohibit installation 
that requires such drilling.


Don't think so. The rules are clear that permitted restrictions have to be 
reasonable and if there is a conflict the burden of proof is on the 
landlord.
 
Further, restrictions cannot violate the impairment clause in section 2.2 i.e. 
may not unreasonable delay or increase costs, or preclude reception or 
transmission of an acceptable quality signal.
 
This article, written by an attorney, addresses most of the misconceptions that 
have been voiced here
 
[ http://www.wba-law.com/Unique_Practice_Areas/Homeowners_Associations/ ]( 
http://www.wba-law.com/Unique_Practice_Areas/Homeowners_Associations/ )
 
John


 -Original Message-
 From: Adam Moffett [ dmmoff...@gmail.com ]( mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com )
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:24pm
 To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna



OTARD says the landlord can't tell you not to put an antenna on the house.  The 
landlord absolutely *can* tell you not to put holes in his property.  The FCC 
website on the topic spells this out pretty clearly.

 I.E.: OTARD protects you if you can manage to install without any 
penetrations.  This is why you'll see apartment complexes with dishes clamped 
on the deck railings and they make flat coax to go in through a window.  

OTARD rules cover it.
It's s town home so you can mount anywhere on their portion of the building 
including the roof.
If he has an issue with the cable and holes he needs to talk to the renter.
You could also let him know that quality internet service makes his property 
more rentable.


 On Monday, March 16, 2015, Darin Steffl [ darin.ste...@mnwifi.com ]( 
mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com ) wrote:

Hey all,
So I got an angry call from a owner of a townhouse who rents it out to one of 
our new internet customers. We were never made aware the home was a rental in 
any way. Our techs always ask permission on where to mount the dish and bring 
in the wire and they were given approval to mount the dish on the roof and 
drill a hole for the wire. If it was a rental, we would have talked to the 
landlord.
The home owner now wants us to remove the dish, cable, and holes and restore 
everything to original condition. He wants new siding, new shingles, the whole 
works. 

I don't exactly know how I should handle this situation. We won't be pulling 
the mount off the roof because it is sealed if we leave it there. We can't move 
the dish because the signal is only good there. Do we have any sort of 
protection from OTARD or anything that allows us to keep things in place since 
we were given permission from the tenant?
Ideas or ways to handle this smoothly? We are not going to pay for new siding 
or roofing when we were given permission to install. If anything, the tenant 
would be responsible since we did the work on their behalf. -- 


Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
[ www.mnwifi.com ]( http://www.mnwifi.com/ )
507-634-WiFi
[  ]( http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi ) [ Like us on Facebook ]( 
http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi )

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

[John Woodfield]

Does the landlord own all four?
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 4:19pm
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna



It appears to be 4 town houses connected to each other and our tech mounted 
over the tenants unit so I would assume it would be exclusive use and not a 
shared space?


On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:16 PM, That One Guy [ thatoneguyst...@gmail.com ]( 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com ) wrote:

I would tell the landlord that you arent doing anything just yet, and tell the 
landlord and the tenant to come to an arrangement. Discuss with the landlord 
that had you been aware it is a rental you would have contacted him, but at 
this point it is a lease issue on the part of the tenant. in the mean time find 
out for certain about OTARD. Plan for the worst (lawsuit) hope for the best 
(landlord cools down)




On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Sean Heskett [ af...@zirkel.us ]( 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us ) wrote:
OTARD rules cover it.
It's s town home so you can mount anywhere on their portion of the building 
including the roof.
If he has an issue with the cable and holes he needs to talk to the renter.
You could also let him know that quality internet service makes his property 
more rentable.




On Monday, March 16, 2015, Darin Steffl [ darin.ste...@mnwifi.com ]( 
mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com ) wrote:

Hey all,
So I got an angry call from a owner of a townhouse who rents it out to one of 
our new internet customers. We were never made aware the home was a rental in 
any way. Our techs always ask permission on where to mount the dish and bring 
in the wire and they were given approval to mount the dish on the roof and 
drill a hole for the wire. If it was a rental, we would have talked to the 
landlord.
The home owner now wants us to remove the dish, cable, and holes and restore 
everything to original condition. He wants new siding, new shingles, the whole 
works. 

I don't exactly know how I should handle this situation. We won't be pulling 
the mount off the roof because it is sealed if we leave it there. We can't move 
the dish because the signal is only good there. Do we have any sort of 
protection from OTARD or anything that allows us to keep things in place since 
we were given permission from the tenant?
Ideas or ways to handle this smoothly? We are not going to pay for new siding 
or roofing when we were given permission to install. If anything, the tenant 
would be responsible since we did the work on their behalf. -- 


Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
[ www.mnwifi.com ]( http://www.mnwifi.com/ )
507-634-WiFi
[  ]( http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi ) [ Like us on Facebook ]( 
http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi )

-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

-- 


Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
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507-634-WiFi
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http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi )

Re: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna

[John Woodfield]

Does the tenant have exclusive right to the area of the roof where you mounted 
the antenna or is it a shared area among tenants? Does the landlord own 
multiple units there or just the unit where you installed the antenna?
 
Its obviously an OTARD issue and I would tell the landlord to pound sand. 
Apparently there is some part of OTARD that states you can't cause damage but 
the burden of proof that damage was caused is on the landlord.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:56pm
To: memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.org, af@afmug.com af@afmug.com, 
Principal WISPA Member List w...@wispa.org
Subject: [AFMUG] Angry landlord over Roof mount antenna



Hey all,
So I got an angry call from a owner of a townhouse who rents it out to one of 
our new internet customers. We were never made aware the home was a rental in 
any way. Our techs always ask permission on where to mount the dish and bring 
in the wire and they were given approval to mount the dish on the roof and 
drill a hole for the wire. If it was a rental, we would have talked to the 
landlord.
The home owner now wants us to remove the dish, cable, and holes and restore 
everything to original condition. He wants new siding, new shingles, the whole 
works. 

I don't exactly know how I should handle this situation. We won't be pulling 
the mount off the roof because it is sealed if we leave it there. We can't move 
the dish because the signal is only good there. Do we have any sort of 
protection from OTARD or anything that allows us to keep things in place since 
we were given permission from the tenant?
Ideas or ways to handle this smoothly? We are not going to pay for new siding 
or roofing when we were given permission to install. If anything, the tenant 
would be responsible since we did the work on their behalf. -- 


Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
[ www.mnwifi.com ]( http://www.mnwifi.com/ )
507-634-WiFi
[  ]( http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi ) [ Like us on Facebook ]( 
http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi )

Re: [AFMUG] Nanobeam still no DFS?

[John Woodfield]

No DFS for nanobeams. Doubt there ever will be.
 
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 1:56pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Nanobeam still no DFS?



Not sure why UBNT makes it so difficult to determine which models are legal 
in which bands. Am I interpreting correctly that Nanobeams are still 
limited to 5.7 GHz?

I have to do a 2000 ft link to an omni and an NBE-M5-16 or 19 seems perfect. 
I could use a NanoStation Loco, but that doesn't seem right for 2000 feet, 
even if the Loco is already hitting max EIRP. I guess my only other choice 
would be a NanoBridge, not sure why I can't find the 22 dBi version, and the 
25 dBi seems like overkill, actually they both seem like overkill. 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available

[John Woodfield]

The PTP mode has been there. It allows to turn about the power to 30dbm in 5.8. 
I had a radio running at 30dbm and it would crap out within 12 hours - ethernet 
port would quit working. I dropped it to 28dbm and it works fine YMMV.
 
 
The new PTP master/slave mode was supposed to cut latency - from what I saw it 
only cut it by about 5ms and the performance cut was dramatic.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:57am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available



If that's the case, then that's not cool. I see there's two PTP modes though. 
One is ePTP Master and Slave. The other is just PTP. Look like the PTP mode 
requires fixed distance settings at both ends? And ePTP mode does auto-ranging 
like Canopy BHM/BHSs perhaps?

 When are we going to get 2.5ms framing to sync with Canopy?

 I see we can now turn on the aux port PoE output and it'll power another ePMP 
or Canopy SM. PTP from a customer's barn to their house got easier. But that 
additional 20ms of latency is not so good, so hopefully PTP mode for a 1000' 
link works.


On 3/9/2015 8:36 PM, John Woodfield wrote:
This new mode of operation increases retransmits and cuts throughput in half in 
environments with any noise from what I've seen so far.
 
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Hammett [ af...@ics-il.net ]( mailto:af...@ics-il.net )
 Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 3:38pm
 To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available







ePMP Release 2.4 includes new enhancements to eFortify™ and eCommand™. Check 
out the details at [ http://bit.ly/1BYo2ja ]( http://bit.ly/1BYo2ja )
 
Ray
 
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Re: [AFMUG] SM crashes are getting really old - enough with thedeadbeef already

[John Woodfield]

Like this one?
 
[ http://208.74.35.70/ ]( http://208.74.35.70/ )
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: Steve D bigd...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 10:43pm
To: af af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SM crashes are getting really old - enough with 
thedeadbeef already



Publicly accessible IP on the radio?
On Mar 10, 2015 6:50 PM, Mark Radabaugh [ m...@amplex.net ]( 
mailto:m...@amplex.net ) wrote:


Probably a good guess.   Seems to have arrived after 13.1.3.  Affects some 
customers pretty regularly, others not at all.   Given that we use NAT for 
nearly everyone it accounts for a fair number of customers.

 Mark

 On 3/10/15 9:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I don’t know how to read the stack dumps but does “Current context Task: NAPT” 
mean this only occurs when using NAT in the SM?


 

From: [ Mark Radabaugh ]( mailto:m...@amplex.net )
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 8:26 PM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: [AFMUG] SM crashes are getting really old - enough with thedeadbeef 
already
 
Dear Cambium,

 Can we please get this SM issue fixed?   It's getting really old.


 System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset Cur ExtInt 0 Max ExtInt 0 Cur DecInt 
0 Max DecInt 0 Cur Sync 0 Max Sync 0 Cur LED 2 Max LED 1 Cur WDOG 0 Max WDOG 1 
Cur EthXcvr 0 Max EthXcvr 1 Cur FEC 0 Max FEC 0 Cur FPGA 18 Max FPGA 1663 Cur 
FrmLoc 0 Max FrmLoc 0 Cur WatchDog 33 Max WatchDog 33 RTMLogStats 0 AAState 0 
 Software Version : CANOPY 13.2.1 SM-DES
 Board Type : P11
 Device Setting : 5.4/5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Subscriber Module - 0a-00-3e-a0-4c-a7
 FPGA Version : 081514
 FPGA Features : DES, Sched;
 03/10/2015 : 15:28:31 EDT : :Timezone set to EDT;
 03/10/2015 : 15:32:57 EDT : :Delete Public Entry Protocol 17 Failed
 03/10/2015 : 15:32:57 EDT : :Delete Private Entry Protocol 17 Failed
 03/10/2015 : 15:54:39 EDT : :Tsl Free list empty. Entries 0
 03/10/2015 : 15:54:39 EDT : :FatalError()
 03/10/2015 : 15:54:39 EDT : 
 Stack Dump information: 
 Current context Task: NAPT 
 Current Stack: 2% 
 Max Stack: 26% 
 r0:  r1: deadbeef r2: 0002 r3: 
 r4: 007930a4 r5:  r6:  r7: fffe
 r8: 00bc3380 r9: 0006 r10:  r11: 0001
 r12: 00bf1380 r13:  r14: 96904e99 r15: 08001b3c
 r16:  r17: 0236080e r18: 02360800 r19: 45acd86f
 r20: 00bc3380 r21: 02360822 r22: 02360822 r23: 
 r24: 009eb434 r25: deadbeef r26: 004f2370 r27: 009ee000
 r28:  r29: 000981e0 r30: deadbeef r31: 00029a64
 Task Stack Dump: 
 0x009edf18: 001d 000981e0 001e deadbeef 
Mark


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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available

[John Woodfield]

Have you run before and after link tests within the software?
 
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 1:18pm
To: af af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available




I upgraded a link to 2.4, and I'm not really seeing any difference in 
throughput with the ePTP mode... it's slightly better, if anything. latency 
dropped from 6-7ms to 1-2ms (with no load on the link).

This link isn't actually in use, since it was replaced with a Mimosa link, so 
it's not really the best test... but it's also far from low noise, since both 
ends of the link are within a couple of the Mimosa radios, and on the same path.


On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:06 AM, John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( 
mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) wrote:

The PTP mode has been there. It allows to turn about the power to 30dbm in 5.8. 
I had a radio running at 30dbm and it would crap out within 12 hours - ethernet 
port would quit working. I dropped it to 28dbm and it works fine YMMV.
 
 
The new PTP master/slave mode was supposed to cut latency - from what I saw it 
only cut it by about 5ms and the performance cut was dramatic.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi




-Original Message-
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) [ geo...@cbcast.com ]( 
mailto:geo...@cbcast.com )
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:57am
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available



If that's the case, then that's not cool. I see there's two PTP modes though. 
One is ePTP Master and Slave. The other is just PTP. Look like the PTP mode 
requires fixed distance settings at both ends? And ePTP mode does auto-ranging 
like Canopy BHM/BHSs perhaps?

 When are we going to get 2.5ms framing to sync with Canopy?

 I see we can now turn on the aux port PoE output and it'll power another ePMP 
or Canopy SM. PTP from a customer's barn to their house got easier. But that 
additional 20ms of latency is not so good, so hopefully PTP mode for a 1000' 
link works.


On 3/9/2015 8:36 PM, John Woodfield wrote:
This new mode of operation increases retransmits and cuts throughput in half in 
environments with any noise from what I've seen so far.
 
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Hammett [ af...@ics-il.net ]( mailto:af...@ics-il.net )
 Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 3:38pm
 To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available







New ePTP mode of operation: The release introduces a new mode of operation for 
point-to-point configuration providing significantly lower latency than other 
modes. Not available for DFS bands.




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From: Ray Savich [ ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com ]( 
mailto:ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com )
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) [ af@afmug.com ]( 
mailto:af@afmug.com )
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 1:33:08 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available







ePMP Release 2.4 includes new enhancements to eFortify™ and eCommand™. Check 
out the details at [ http://bit.ly/1BYo2ja ]( http://bit.ly/1BYo2ja )
 
Ray
 
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