Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[Chuck McCown]

Yep

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

I looked at reselling the different options that were available at 
WISPAPALOOZA.  I don't understand how I am supposed to sell a service for $55 a 
month (that DOESN'T include ESPN3), when people can just use Sling for $20, and 
they get all the same channels but they DO get ESPN1,2, & 3.  Also, the profit 
was like $10.  Seemed overpriced to me.  I just can't see anybody paying double 
to buy the same product from me that they can get for $20 through Sling.

On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 7:27 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
wrote:


  hah - that too

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

Football*




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:06:15 AM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

 

I am pretty sure in our market - we will not fly without some kind of tv 
package.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Reynolds 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 1:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

  The service we rolled out was identical to any cable system - but
  better. We of course could overlay outages messages, etc. You could
  also view your content from anywhere with a mobile device and a login,
  including your DVR'd recordings.

  I fully believe that most content will become their own services /
  apps in the future, but for the *majority* of current cable
  subscribers, the transition will take a long time.

  On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
  > I am starting to think the business case is slowly evaporating for IPTV.
  >
  > I have Sling TV and Sony Playstation Vue at home along with my TIVO.  
There
  > is little doubt the OTT providers have the best value but the interface 
and
  > remotes still leave something to be desired.
  >
  > My IPTV solution requires VPN, preferably VLAN to the headend and it 
uses
  > plenty of bandwidth.  There is little margin in it and it is losing its
  > ability to compete with OTT.  Plus, if it has problems you get the black
  > eye.
  >
  > From: Josh Reynolds
  > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:08 PM
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv
  >
  >
  > You're not likely to run a full IPTV stack as a wisp. There's not enough
  > bandwidth. For a fiber co, its great.
  >
  > Chuck has/had a thing he was looking at that works like Netflix as far 
as
  > how it streams that MIGHT work for SOME WISPs.
  >
  >
  > On Oct 22, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
  > wrote:
  >>
  >>
  >> On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink 
prismwhich
  >> I assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over 
again.
  >>
  >> I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if 
you
  >> select hd from the sd channel number)
  >>
  >> Box is wifi...with an hdmi output
  >>
  >> Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  Especially 
if
  >> we move into fiber?
  >>
  >> Without googling itis this multicast or unicast?
  >>
  >> I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
  >>
  >

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[Chuck McCown]

I have been working with RCTV of for about 16 months.  I got them into the 
headend they are currently using.  

We have discussed it at length here on the list.  
The issue with RCTV is margin and competitive offering.  

From: Daniel White 
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

Jay I know you didn’t make it to the show, but we announced an IPTV solution 
focused for WISP’s.

 

No $20k+ headend to purchase.  We are using Roku boxes for the client devices – 
we could roll our own but Roku is a great value and customers already have 
them.  Your service becomes a channel on the Roku boxes.  We may do our own 
down the road.

 

Caching server we recommend at the ingress point to your network.  If you’re 
doing MDU’s or something similar you may want to invest in more boxes (or put 
them at bigger tower sites downline).

 

Our carrier services group (same guys that do wholesale VoIP and Sandvine for 
ConVergence) are running with the service.  Just from the show we already have 
40+ WISP’s signed up.

 

Attached is the brochure on our service.  If you want to know more – send me 
info offlist – I’m not the expert in-house on this :-)

 

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

dwh...@converge-tech.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 2:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Iptv

 

 

On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink prismwhich I 
assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over again.

 

I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if you 
select hd from the sd channel number)

 

Box is wifi...with an hdmi output

 

Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  Especially if we 
move into fiber?

 

Without googling itis this multicast or unicast?

 

I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

 


 Virus-free. www.avast.com  

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[Josh Reynolds]

Yeah. Sling is very limited.

On Oct 23, 2016 9:35 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> I think the channel availability is a lot different. I think one of them
> had around 200 channels. Sling has what, 30? Not that it's a pure numbers
> game, but more channels means its more likely to have the channel you want.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ------
> *From: *"Jeremy" <jeremysmi...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 23, 2016 9:14:01 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Iptv
>
> I looked at reselling the different options that were available at
> WISPAPALOOZA.  I don't understand how I am supposed to sell a service for
> $55 a month (that DOESN'T include ESPN3), when people can just use Sling
> for $20, and they get all the same channels but they DO get ESPN1,2, & 3.
> Also, the profit was like $10.  Seemed overpriced to me.  I just can't see
> anybody paying double to buy the same product from me that they can get for
> $20 through Sling.
>
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 7:27 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> hah - that too
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:07 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Iptv
>>
>> Football*
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:06:15 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Iptv
>>
>> 
>>
>> I am pretty sure in our market - we will not fly without some kind of tv
>> package.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 23, 2016 1:11 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Iptv
>>
>> The service we rolled out was identical to any cable system - but
>> better. We of course could overlay outages messages, etc. You could
>> also view your content from anywhere with a mobile device and a login,
>> including your DVR'd recordings.
>>
>> I fully believe that most content will become their own services /
>> apps in the future, but for the *majority* of current cable
>> subscribers, the transition will take a long time.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> > I am starting to think the business case is slowly evaporating for IPTV.
>> >
>> > I have Sling TV and Sony Playstation Vue at home along with my TIVO.
>> There
>> > is little doubt the OTT providers have the best value but the interface
>> and
>> > remotes still leave something to be desired.
>> >
>> > My IPTV solution requires VPN, preferably VLAN to the headend and it
>> uses
>> > plenty of bandwidth.  There is little margin in it and it is losing its
>> > ability to compete with OTT.  Plus, if it has problems you get the black
>> > eye.
>> >
>> > From: Josh Reynolds
>> >

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[Mike Hammett]

I think the channel availability is a lot different. I think one of them had 
around 200 channels. Sling has what, 30? Not that it's a pure numbers game, but 
more channels means its more likely to have the channel you want. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jeremy" <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 9:14:01 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv 


I looked at reselling the different options that were available at 
WISPAPALOOZA. I don't understand how I am supposed to sell a service for $55 a 
month (that DOESN'T include ESPN3), when people can just use Sling for $20, and 
they get all the same channels but they DO get ESPN1,2, & 3. Also, the profit 
was like $10. Seemed overpriced to me. I just can't see anybody paying double 
to buy the same product from me that they can get for $20 through Sling. 


On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 7:27 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
wrote: 





hah - that too 



- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett 
To: af@afmug.com 


Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:07 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv 


Football* 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:06:15 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv 

 

I am pretty sure in our market - we will not fly without some kind of tv 
package. 



- Original Message - 
From: Josh Reynolds 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 1:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv 

The service we rolled out was identical to any cable system - but 
better. We of course could overlay outages messages, etc. You could 
also view your content from anywhere with a mobile device and a login, 
including your DVR'd recordings. 

I fully believe that most content will become their own services / 
apps in the future, but for the *majority* of current cable 
subscribers, the transition will take a long time. 

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 
> I am starting to think the business case is slowly evaporating for IPTV. 
> 
> I have Sling TV and Sony Playstation Vue at home along with my TIVO. There 
> is little doubt the OTT providers have the best value but the interface and 
> remotes still leave something to be desired. 
> 
> My IPTV solution requires VPN, preferably VLAN to the headend and it uses 
> plenty of bandwidth. There is little margin in it and it is losing its 
> ability to compete with OTT. Plus, if it has problems you get the black 
> eye. 
> 
> From: Josh Reynolds 
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:08 PM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv 
> 
> 
> You're not likely to run a full IPTV stack as a wisp. There's not enough 
> bandwidth. For a fiber co, its great. 
> 
> Chuck has/had a thing he was looking at that works like Netflix as far as 
> how it streams that MIGHT work for SOME WISPs. 
> 
> 
> On Oct 22, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
> wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink prismwhich 
>> I assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over again. 
>> 
>> I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if you 
>> select hd from the sd channel number) 
>> 
>> Box is wifi...with an hdmi output 
>> 
>> Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling? Especially if 
>> we move into fiber? 
>> 
>> Without googling itis this multicast or unicast? 
>> 
>> I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[Jeremy]

I looked at reselling the different options that were available at
WISPAPALOOZA.  I don't understand how I am supposed to sell a service for
$55 a month (that DOESN'T include ESPN3), when people can just use Sling
for $20, and they get all the same channels but they DO get ESPN1,2, & 3.
Also, the profit was like $10.  Seemed overpriced to me.  I just can't see
anybody paying double to buy the same product from me that they can get for
$20 through Sling.

On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 7:27 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net
> wrote:

>
> hah - that too
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:07 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Iptv
>
> Football*
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ------
> *From: *"CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:06:15 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Iptv
>
> 
>
> I am pretty sure in our market - we will not fly without some kind of tv
> package.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 23, 2016 1:11 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Iptv
>
> The service we rolled out was identical to any cable system - but
> better. We of course could overlay outages messages, etc. You could
> also view your content from anywhere with a mobile device and a login,
> including your DVR'd recordings.
>
> I fully believe that most content will become their own services /
> apps in the future, but for the *majority* of current cable
> subscribers, the transition will take a long time.
>
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> > I am starting to think the business case is slowly evaporating for IPTV.
> >
> > I have Sling TV and Sony Playstation Vue at home along with my TIVO.
> There
> > is little doubt the OTT providers have the best value but the interface
> and
> > remotes still leave something to be desired.
> >
> > My IPTV solution requires VPN, preferably VLAN to the headend and it uses
> > plenty of bandwidth.  There is little margin in it and it is losing its
> > ability to compete with OTT.  Plus, if it has problems you get the black
> > eye.
> >
> > From: Josh Reynolds
> > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:08 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv
> >
> >
> > You're not likely to run a full IPTV stack as a wisp. There's not enough
> > bandwidth. For a fiber co, its great.
> >
> > Chuck has/had a thing he was looking at that works like Netflix as far as
> > how it streams that MIGHT work for SOME WISPs.
> >
> >
> > On Oct 22, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink
> prismwhich
> >> I assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over
> again.
> >>
> >> I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if
> you
> >> select hd from the sd channel number)
> >>
> >> Box is wifi...with an hdmi output
> >>
> >> Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  Especially if
> >> we move into fiber?
> >>
> >> Without googling itis this multicast or unicast?
> >>
> >> I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
> >>
> >
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

hah - that too

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Hammett 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:07 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv


  Football*




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:06:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

   

  I am pretty sure in our market - we will not fly without some kind of tv 
package.

- Original Message - 
From: Josh Reynolds 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 1:11 AM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv


The service we rolled out was identical to any cable system - but
better. We of course could overlay outages messages, etc. You could
also view your content from anywhere with a mobile device and a login,
including your DVR'd recordings.

I fully believe that most content will become their own services /
apps in the future, but for the *majority* of current cable
subscribers, the transition will take a long time.

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> I am starting to think the business case is slowly evaporating for IPTV.
>
> I have Sling TV and Sony Playstation Vue at home along with my TIVO.  
There
> is little doubt the OTT providers have the best value but the interface 
and
> remotes still leave something to be desired.
>
> My IPTV solution requires VPN, preferably VLAN to the headend and it uses
> plenty of bandwidth.  There is little margin in it and it is losing its
> ability to compete with OTT.  Plus, if it has problems you get the black
> eye.
>
> From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:08 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv
>
>
> You're not likely to run a full IPTV stack as a wisp. There's not enough
> bandwidth. For a fiber co, its great.
>
> Chuck has/had a thing he was looking at that works like Netflix as far as
> how it streams that MIGHT work for SOME WISPs.
>
>
> On Oct 22, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink prismwhich
>> I assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over again.
>>
>> I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if you
>> select hd from the sd channel number)
>>
>> Box is wifi...with an hdmi output
>>
>> Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  Especially if
>> we move into fiber?
>>
>> Without googling itis this multicast or unicast?
>>
>> I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[Paul Stewart]

Sports are definately a major challenge in some markets (well most)

I think the whole future of IPTV will transition from multicast style delivery 
to typical set top boxes into apps as someone already mentioned.  Basically, 
your existing devices in the house (PS4, Xbox One, Computer, Tablet, Phone) 
will become your “TV hub” via unicast delivery.  This will cut down on a dozen 
different boxes in your home and “unify” your media streaming, OTT providers 
(i.e. netflix, youtube), and your linear programming content (TV).

Significant challenges in doing this but it’s here now in some markets/services 
and growing … a lot of “regulatory” stuff in the way currently too 


> On Oct 23, 2016, at 9:07 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> 
> Football*
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net 
> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:06:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv
> 
> 
>  
> I am pretty sure in our market - we will not fly without some kind of tv 
> package.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Josh Reynolds <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 1:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv
> 
> The service we rolled out was identical to any cable system - but
> better. We of course could overlay outages messages, etc. You could
> also view your content from anywhere with a mobile device and a login,
> including your DVR'd recordings.
> 
> I fully believe that most content will become their own services /
> apps in the future, but for the *majority* of current cable
> subscribers, the transition will take a long time.
> 
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> > I am starting to think the business case is slowly evaporating for IPTV.
> >
> > I have Sling TV and Sony Playstation Vue at home along with my TIVO.  There
> > is little doubt the OTT providers have the best value but the interface and
> > remotes still leave something to be desired.
> >
> > My IPTV solution requires VPN, preferably VLAN to the headend and it uses
> > plenty of bandwidth.  There is little margin in it and it is losing its
> > ability to compete with OTT.  Plus, if it has problems you get the black
> > eye.
> >
> > From: Josh Reynolds
> > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:08 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv
> >
> >
> > You're not likely to run a full IPTV stack as a wisp. There's not enough
> > bandwidth. For a fiber co, its great.
> >
> > Chuck has/had a thing he was looking at that works like Netflix as far as
> > how it streams that MIGHT work for SOME WISPs.
> >
> >
> > On Oct 22, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net 
> > <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink prismwhich
> >> I assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over again.
> >>
> >> I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if you
> >> select hd from the sd channel number)
> >>
> >> Box is wifi...with an hdmi output
> >>
> >> Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  Especially if
> >> we move into fiber?
> >>
> >> Without googling itis this multicast or unicast?
> >>
> >> I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
> >>
> >

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[Mike Hammett]

Football* 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 8:06:15 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv 

 

I am pretty sure in our market - we will not fly without some kind of tv 
package. 



- Original Message - 
From: Josh Reynolds 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 1:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv 

The service we rolled out was identical to any cable system - but 
better. We of course could overlay outages messages, etc. You could 
also view your content from anywhere with a mobile device and a login, 
including your DVR'd recordings. 

I fully believe that most content will become their own services / 
apps in the future, but for the *majority* of current cable 
subscribers, the transition will take a long time. 

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 
> I am starting to think the business case is slowly evaporating for IPTV. 
> 
> I have Sling TV and Sony Playstation Vue at home along with my TIVO. There 
> is little doubt the OTT providers have the best value but the interface and 
> remotes still leave something to be desired. 
> 
> My IPTV solution requires VPN, preferably VLAN to the headend and it uses 
> plenty of bandwidth. There is little margin in it and it is losing its 
> ability to compete with OTT. Plus, if it has problems you get the black 
> eye. 
> 
> From: Josh Reynolds 
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:08 PM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv 
> 
> 
> You're not likely to run a full IPTV stack as a wisp. There's not enough 
> bandwidth. For a fiber co, its great. 
> 
> Chuck has/had a thing he was looking at that works like Netflix as far as 
> how it streams that MIGHT work for SOME WISPs. 
> 
> 
> On Oct 22, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
> wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink prismwhich 
>> I assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over again. 
>> 
>> I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if you 
>> select hd from the sd channel number) 
>> 
>> Box is wifi...with an hdmi output 
>> 
>> Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling? Especially if 
>> we move into fiber? 
>> 
>> Without googling itis this multicast or unicast? 
>> 
>> I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I am pretty sure in our market - we will not fly without some kind of tv 
package.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Reynolds 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 1:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv


  The service we rolled out was identical to any cable system - but
  better. We of course could overlay outages messages, etc. You could
  also view your content from anywhere with a mobile device and a login,
  including your DVR'd recordings.

  I fully believe that most content will become their own services /
  apps in the future, but for the *majority* of current cable
  subscribers, the transition will take a long time.

  On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
  > I am starting to think the business case is slowly evaporating for IPTV.
  >
  > I have Sling TV and Sony Playstation Vue at home along with my TIVO.  There
  > is little doubt the OTT providers have the best value but the interface and
  > remotes still leave something to be desired.
  >
  > My IPTV solution requires VPN, preferably VLAN to the headend and it uses
  > plenty of bandwidth.  There is little margin in it and it is losing its
  > ability to compete with OTT.  Plus, if it has problems you get the black
  > eye.
  >
  > From: Josh Reynolds
  > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:08 PM
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv
  >
  >
  > You're not likely to run a full IPTV stack as a wisp. There's not enough
  > bandwidth. For a fiber co, its great.
  >
  > Chuck has/had a thing he was looking at that works like Netflix as far as
  > how it streams that MIGHT work for SOME WISPs.
  >
  >
  > On Oct 22, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
  > wrote:
  >>
  >>
  >> On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink prismwhich
  >> I assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over again.
  >>
  >> I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if you
  >> select hd from the sd channel number)
  >>
  >> Box is wifi...with an hdmi output
  >>
  >> Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  Especially if
  >> we move into fiber?
  >>
  >> Without googling itis this multicast or unicast?
  >>
  >> I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
  >>
  >

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[Paul Stewart]

No, with reduplication on the storage side of things…

Recall however, and I don’t know if this applies in the US, that you must store 
a copy of each PVR content for each user even if it’s for the same 
show/timeframe etc.This depends on the content provider licensing etc and 
is a major pain when it comes to storage …


> On Oct 22, 2016, at 7:14 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> 
> Without deduplication?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 6:13:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv
> 
> That’s pretty small for cloud DVR depending on what you are offering (storage 
> per sub) and other features…
> 
> Typical systems I have seen are in PB levels …. 1-2 to start, 4-5PB of 
> storage to grow
> 
> On Oct 22, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
> <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
> 
> Yes. I think the one we were about to put in when I left NDF was around 120TB
> 
> On Oct 22, 2016 4:15 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net 
> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>  
> cloud dvr stored somewhere in the central office here or something?  i guess?
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Josh Reynolds <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv
> 
> Multicast bulk channels, unicast for on-demand or cloud DVR.
> 
> On Oct 22, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net 
> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
> 
> On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink prismwhich I 
> assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over again.
> 
> I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if you 
> select hd from the sd channel number)
> 
> Box is wifi...with an hdmi output
> 
> Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  Especially if we 
> move into fiber?
> 
> Without googling itis this multicast or unicast?
> 
> I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[Josh Reynolds]

The service we rolled out was identical to any cable system - but
better. We of course could overlay outages messages, etc. You could
also view your content from anywhere with a mobile device and a login,
including your DVR'd recordings.

I fully believe that most content will become their own services /
apps in the future, but for the *majority* of current cable
subscribers, the transition will take a long time.

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> I am starting to think the business case is slowly evaporating for IPTV.
>
> I have Sling TV and Sony Playstation Vue at home along with my TIVO.  There
> is little doubt the OTT providers have the best value but the interface and
> remotes still leave something to be desired.
>
> My IPTV solution requires VPN, preferably VLAN to the headend and it uses
> plenty of bandwidth.  There is little margin in it and it is losing its
> ability to compete with OTT.  Plus, if it has problems you get the black
> eye.
>
> From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:08 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv
>
>
> You're not likely to run a full IPTV stack as a wisp. There's not enough
> bandwidth. For a fiber co, its great.
>
> Chuck has/had a thing he was looking at that works like Netflix as far as
> how it streams that MIGHT work for SOME WISPs.
>
>
> On Oct 22, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink prismwhich
>> I assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over again.
>>
>> I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if you
>> select hd from the sd channel number)
>>
>> Box is wifi...with an hdmi output
>>
>> Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  Especially if
>> we move into fiber?
>>
>> Without googling itis this multicast or unicast?
>>
>> I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[Chuck McCown]

I am starting to think the business case is slowly evaporating for IPTV.  

I have Sling TV and Sony Playstation Vue at home along with my TIVO.  There is 
little doubt the OTT providers have the best value but the interface and 
remotes still leave something to be desired.  

My IPTV solution requires VPN, preferably VLAN to the headend and it uses 
plenty of bandwidth.  There is little margin in it and it is losing its ability 
to compete with OTT.  Plus, if it has problems you get the black eye.  
From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

You're not likely to run a full IPTV stack as a wisp. There's not enough 
bandwidth. For a fiber co, its great.

Chuck has/had a thing he was looking at that works like Netflix as far as how 
it streams that MIGHT work for SOME WISPs.


On Oct 22, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:


  On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink prismwhich I 
assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over again.

  I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if you 
select hd from the sd channel number)

  Box is wifi...with an hdmi output

  Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  Especially if we 
move into fiber?

  Without googling itis this multicast or unicast?

  I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol 








  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

does anyone record the home shopping network?  lol

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ken Hohhof 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 9:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv


  And my wife records the rest.

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 9:08 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

   

  Right, that's where I was going. There's only so much content that people 
record.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 9:00:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

  Most users are recording the same stuff as others. Yes, this one used dedupe.

  Single download is nice.

   

  On Oct 22, 2016 6:14 PM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

Without deduplication?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 6:13:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

That’s pretty small for cloud DVR depending on what you are offering 
(storage per sub) and other features…

 

Typical systems I have seen are in PB levels …. 1-2 to start, 4-5PB of 
storage to grow

 

  On Oct 22, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

   

  Yes. I think the one we were about to put in when I left NDF was around 
120TB

   

  On Oct 22, 2016 4:15 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
wrote:

 

cloud dvr stored somewhere in the central office here or something?  i 
guess?

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: Josh Reynolds 

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:06 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

   

  Multicast bulk channels, unicast for on-demand or cloud DVR.

   

  On Oct 22, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

 

On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink 
prismwhich I assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all 
over again.

 

I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd 
if you select hd from the sd channel number)

 

Box is wifi...with an hdmi output

 

Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  
Especially if we move into fiber?

 

Without googling itis this multicast or unicast?

 

I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

 

 

 

   

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[Ken Hohhof]

And my wife records the rest.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 9:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

 

Right, that's where I was going. There's only so much content that people 
record.



-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 




  _  

From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 9:00:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

Most users are recording the same stuff as others. Yes, this one used dedupe.

Single download is nice.

 

On Oct 22, 2016 6:14 PM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net 
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

Without deduplication?



-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 





  _  


From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 6:13:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

That’s pretty small for cloud DVR depending on what you are offering (storage 
per sub) and other features…

 

Typical systems I have seen are in PB levels …. 1-2 to start, 4-5PB of storage 
to grow

 

On Oct 22, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote:

 

Yes. I think the one we were about to put in when I left NDF was around 120TB

 

On Oct 22, 2016 4:15 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net 
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote:

 

cloud dvr stored somewhere in the central office here or something?  i guess?

 

- Original Message - 

From: Josh Reynolds <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>  

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:06 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

 

Multicast bulk channels, unicast for on-demand or cloud DVR.

 

On Oct 22, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net 
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote:

 

On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink prismwhich I 
assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over again.

 

I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if you 
select hd from the sd channel number)

 

Box is wifi...with an hdmi output

 

Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  Especially if we 
move into fiber?

 

Without googling itis this multicast or unicast?

 

I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[Mike Hammett]

Right, that's where I was going. There's only so much content that people 
record. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 9:00:10 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv 


Most users are recording the same stuff as others. Yes, this one used dedupe. 
Single download is nice. 


On Oct 22, 2016 6:14 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Without deduplication? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 6:13:18 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv 

That’s pretty small for cloud DVR depending on what you are offering (storage 
per sub) and other features… 


Typical systems I have seen are in PB levels …. 1-2 to start, 4-5PB of storage 
to grow 





On Oct 22, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: 


Yes. I think the one we were about to put in when I left NDF was around 120TB 


On Oct 22, 2016 4:15 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
wrote: 





cloud dvr stored somewhere in the central office here or something? i guess? 



- Original Message - 
From: Josh Reynolds 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:06 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv 


Multicast bulk channels, unicast for on-demand or cloud DVR. 


On Oct 22, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
wrote: 







On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink prismwhich I 
assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over again. 


I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if you 
select hd from the sd channel number) 


Box is wifi...with an hdmi output 


Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling? Especially if we move 
into fiber? 


Without googling itis this multicast or unicast? 


I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol 
















Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone 

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[Josh Reynolds]

Most users are recording the same stuff as others. Yes, this one used
dedupe.

Single download is nice.

On Oct 22, 2016 6:14 PM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Without deduplication?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ------
> *From: *"Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, October 22, 2016 6:13:18 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Iptv
>
> That’s pretty small for cloud DVR depending on what you are offering
> (storage per sub) and other features…
>
> Typical systems I have seen are in PB levels …. 1-2 to start, 4-5PB of
> storage to grow
>
> On Oct 22, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
> Yes. I think the one we were about to put in when I left NDF was around
> 120TB
>
> On Oct 22, 2016 4:15 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> cloud dvr stored somewhere in the central office here or something?  i
>> guess?
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:06 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Iptv
>>
>> Multicast bulk channels, unicast for on-demand or cloud DVR.
>>
>> On Oct 22, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink
>>> prismwhich I assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv
>>> all over again.
>>>
>>> I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if
>>> you select hd from the sd channel number)
>>>
>>> Box is wifi...with an hdmi output
>>>
>>> Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  Especially if
>>> we move into fiber?
>>>
>>> Without googling itis this multicast or unicast?
>>>
>>> I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>>
>>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[Christopher Gray]

It always seemed to me that a combination of cloud and on-site DVR would be
ideal for a WISP. Data would be stored in the cloud DVR at the initial
request, and then it would sync with the on-site DVR during off-peak hours
or as low priority traffic.


On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 7:13 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:

> That’s pretty small for cloud DVR depending on what you are offering
> (storage per sub) and other features…
>
> Typical systems I have seen are in PB levels …. 1-2 to start, 4-5PB of
> storage to grow
>
> On Oct 22, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
> Yes. I think the one we were about to put in when I left NDF was around
> 120TB
>
> On Oct 22, 2016 4:15 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> cloud dvr stored somewhere in the central office here or something?  i
>> guess?
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:06 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Iptv
>>
>> Multicast bulk channels, unicast for on-demand or cloud DVR.
>>
>> On Oct 22, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink
>>> prismwhich I assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv
>>> all over again.
>>>
>>> I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if
>>> you select hd from the sd channel number)
>>>
>>> Box is wifi...with an hdmi output
>>>
>>> Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  Especially if
>>> we move into fiber?
>>>
>>> Without googling itis this multicast or unicast?
>>>
>>> I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[Mike Hammett]

Without deduplication? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 6:13:18 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv 

That’s pretty small for cloud DVR depending on what you are offering (storage 
per sub) and other features… 


Typical systems I have seen are in PB levels …. 1-2 to start, 4-5PB of storage 
to grow 





On Oct 22, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: 


Yes. I think the one we were about to put in when I left NDF was around 120TB 


On Oct 22, 2016 4:15 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
wrote: 





cloud dvr stored somewhere in the central office here or something? i guess? 



- Original Message - 
From: Josh Reynolds 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:06 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv 


Multicast bulk channels, unicast for on-demand or cloud DVR. 


On Oct 22, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
wrote: 







On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink prismwhich I 
assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over again. 


I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if you 
select hd from the sd channel number) 


Box is wifi...with an hdmi output 


Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling? Especially if we move 
into fiber? 


Without googling itis this multicast or unicast? 


I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol 
















Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone 

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[Paul Stewart]

That’s pretty small for cloud DVR depending on what you are offering (storage 
per sub) and other features…

Typical systems I have seen are in PB levels …. 1-2 to start, 4-5PB of storage 
to grow

> On Oct 22, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes. I think the one we were about to put in when I left NDF was around 120TB
> 
> 
> On Oct 22, 2016 4:15 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net 
> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>  
> cloud dvr stored somewhere in the central office here or something?  i guess?
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Josh Reynolds <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv
> 
> Multicast bulk channels, unicast for on-demand or cloud DVR.
> 
> 
> On Oct 22, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net 
> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
> 
> On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink prismwhich I 
> assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over again.
> 
> I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if you 
> select hd from the sd channel number)
> 
> Box is wifi...with an hdmi output
> 
> Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  Especially if we 
> move into fiber?
> 
> Without googling itis this multicast or unicast?
> 
> I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[Josh Reynolds]

Yes. I think the one we were about to put in when I left NDF was around
120TB

On Oct 22, 2016 4:15 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
wrote:

>
> cloud dvr stored somewhere in the central office here or something?  i
> guess?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:06 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Iptv
>
> Multicast bulk channels, unicast for on-demand or cloud DVR.
>
> On Oct 22, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink prismwhich
>> I assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over again.
>>
>> I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if you
>> select hd from the sd channel number)
>>
>> Box is wifi...with an hdmi output
>>
>> Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  Especially if
>> we move into fiber?
>>
>> Without googling itis this multicast or unicast?
>>
>> I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[Ken Hohhof]

That looks identical to the AT UVerse remote.  Their STB is Cisco.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

 

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

 

- Reply message -
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Iptv
Date: Sat, Oct 22, 2016 3:51 PM

 

worth looking at the gear theyre using if a multitenant location is delivering 
iptv via wifi in hd and its working well its a curiousity

 

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 3:44 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net 
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote:

 

On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink prism.which I 
assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over again.

 

I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if you 
select hd from the sd channel number)

 

Box is wifi...with an hdmi output

 

Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  Especially if we 
move into fiber?

 

Without googling it.is this multicast or unicast?

 

I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

No sir.  Auburn as well :)

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com>
To: <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Iptv
Date: Sat, Oct 22, 2016 4:25 PM

Jay, is 'bama the only football you watch?



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


On 10/22/2016 1:58 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
wrote:

















Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone



- Reply message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>

To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>

Subject: [AFMUG] Iptv

Date: Sat, Oct 22, 2016 3:51 PM





worth looking at the gear theyre using if a
multitenant location is delivering iptv via wifi in hd and its
working well its a curiousity



On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 3:44 PM, CBB -
Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
wrote:








On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has
centurylink prism.which I assume is pretty similar
to att uversewhich is iptv all over again.





I like how quick the channel changespretty good
picture (in hd if you select hd from the sd channel
number)





Box is wifi...with an hdmi output





Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be
selling?  Especially if we move into fiber?





Without googling it.is this multicast or
unicast?





I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial
breaklol 

































Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

















-- 




If you only see yourself as
part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part
of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[Bill Prince]

Jay, is 'bama the only football you watch?


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 10/22/2016 1:58 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:




Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Iptv
Date: Sat, Oct 22, 2016 3:51 PM

worth looking at the gear theyre using if a multitenant location is 
delivering iptv via wifi in hd and its working well its a curiousity


On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 3:44 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:



On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink
prism.which I assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich
is iptv all over again.

I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd
if you select hd from the sd channel number)

Box is wifi...with an hdmi output

Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling? 
Especially if we move into fiber?


Without googling it.is this multicast or unicast?

I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol








Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

have been thinking fiber

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Reynolds 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv


  You're not likely to run a full IPTV stack as a wisp. There's not enough 
bandwidth. For a fiber co, its great.

  Chuck has/had a thing he was looking at that works like Netflix as far as how 
it streams that MIGHT work for SOME WISPs.



  On Oct 22, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:



On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink prismwhich I 
assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over again.


I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if you 
select hd from the sd channel number)


Box is wifi...with an hdmi output


Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  Especially if we 
move into fiber?


Without googling itis this multicast or unicast?


I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol 
















Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

cloud dvr stored somewhere in the central office here or something?  i guess?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Reynolds 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv


  Multicast bulk channels, unicast for on-demand or cloud DVR.



  On Oct 22, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:



On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink prismwhich I 
assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over again.


I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if you 
select hd from the sd channel number)


Box is wifi...with an hdmi output


Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  Especially if we 
move into fiber?


Without googling itis this multicast or unicast?


I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol 
















Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[Josh Reynolds]

You're not likely to run a full IPTV stack as a wisp. There's not enough
bandwidth. For a fiber co, its great.

Chuck has/had a thing he was looking at that works like Netflix as far as
how it streams that MIGHT work for SOME WISPs.

On Oct 22, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
wrote:

>
> On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink prismwhich
> I assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over again.
>
> I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if you
> select hd from the sd channel number)
>
> Box is wifi...with an hdmi output
>
> Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  Especially if
> we move into fiber?
>
> Without googling itis this multicast or unicast?
>
> I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[Josh Reynolds]

Multicast bulk channels, unicast for on-demand or cloud DVR.

On Oct 22, 2016 3:44 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
wrote:

>
> On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink prismwhich
> I assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over again.
>
> I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if you
> select hd from the sd channel number)
>
> Box is wifi...with an hdmi output
>
> Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  Especially if
> we move into fiber?
>
> Without googling itis this multicast or unicast?
>
> I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

it looks like wifi supports 2 gig or 5 gig

  - Original Message - 
  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iptv


  worth looking at the gear theyre using if a multitenant location is 
delivering iptv via wifi in hd and its working well its a curiousity


  On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 3:44 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
wrote:



On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink prismwhich I 
assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over again.


I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if you 
select hd from the sd channel number)


Box is wifi...with an hdmi output


Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  Especially if we 
move into fiber?


Without googling itis this multicast or unicast?


I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol 
















Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone







  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Iptv

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

worth looking at the gear theyre using if a multitenant location is
delivering iptv via wifi in hd and its working well its a curiousity

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 3:44 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink prismwhich
> I assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over again.
>
> I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if you
> select hd from the sd channel number)
>
> Box is wifi...with an hdmi output
>
> Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  Especially if
> we move into fiber?
>
> Without googling itis this multicast or unicast?
>
> I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Iptv

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

On a quick vacation to the beach.condo has centurylink prismwhich I 
assume is pretty similar to att uversewhich is iptv all over again.

I like how quick the channel changespretty good picture (in hd if you 
select hd from the sd channel number)

Box is wifi...with an hdmi output

Is this the type iptv product us wisps should be selling?  Especially if we 
move into fiber?

Without googling itis this multicast or unicast?

I may go Google it next Alabama football commercial breaklol 








Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

[AFMUG] iptv - from the wispa show

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

which i did not make it to

any comments on this from attendees or otherwise?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iJUfZYZuEE

thanks to mike hammett for ambushing the vendors as he usually does :)

mike - did you get any info on CTI's offering? (did i hear that right?)

why am i home on a friday night?

thanks!

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Paul Stewart]

Rookie Blue too although I gotta admit I like Blue Bloods better ;)

> On Jul 5, 2016, at 12:05 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
> wrote:
> 
>  
> The original La Femme Nikita (USA 1997-2001 or so) was canada
> Flashpoint was canada
> they certainly do some good stuff!
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Paul Stewart <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 7:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV
>> 
>> Fair enough .. although movie and TV production is quite significant in 
>> Canada for some of the shows you watch during prime time J  Although it’s 
>> more movies than TV come to think of it
>>  
>> It’s not about the media content producers as much as it’s about FCC 
>> regulation in my opinion .. 
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: July 4, 2016 4:51 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV
>>  
>> To be fair, Canada isn't exactly a driving decision maker  of United States 
>> media content producers.
>> 
>> On Jul 4, 2016 3:48 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org 
>> <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:
>>> It’s been mandated now in Canada for a la carte by end of year
>>>  
>>> http://globalnews.ca/news/1892474/canada-to-require-a-la-carte-television-service-by-december-2016/
>>>  
>>> <http://globalnews.ca/news/1892474/canada-to-require-a-la-carte-television-service-by-december-2016/>
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>>> Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: July 4, 2016 4:26 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV
>>>  
>>> I'm of the same opinion, however we are still 5+ years away from that, at a 
>>> minimum. Ten if you want ala-carte ESPN.
>>>  
>>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Jason McKemie 
>>> <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
>>> <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
>>>> I'm of the opinion that unbundling is the future, so even if the solution 
>>>> isn't perfect it should be a good stop gap that won't cost a ton of money 
>>>> to get started with. I just can't see investing in a full headend and 
>>>> associated infrastructure at this point in the game.
>>>> 
>>>> On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
>>>> <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
>>>>> There are downsides to the solution he has as well. It all depends on how 
>>>>> much control you need, and if X channel is important to your subscriber 
>>>>> base or not. It also depends on the feature set you want to offer your 
>>>>> customers (to truly compete with cable cos).
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 3, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
>>>>> <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way 
>>>>>> things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most 
>>>>>> companies are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be 
>>>>>> worthwhile when available.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald <aa...@wifitz.net 
>>>>>> <mailto:aa...@wifitz.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do 
>>>>>>> I even start?
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
>>>>>>> wiFitz Network Services
>>>>>>> Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
>>>>>>> Phone: 319/540-8999 <tel:319%2F540-8999>
>>>>>>> Web: http://www.wifitz.net <http://www.wifitz.net/>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC
>>> 
>>>  

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

The original La Femme Nikita (USA 1997-2001 or so) was canada
Flashpoint was canada
they certainly do some good stuff!

  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Stewart 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 7:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV


  Fair enough .. although movie and TV production is quite significant in 
Canada for some of the shows you watch during prime time J  Although it’s more 
movies than TV come to think of it

   

  It’s not about the media content producers as much as it’s about FCC 
regulation in my opinion .. 

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
  Sent: July 4, 2016 4:51 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

   

  To be fair, Canada isn't exactly a driving decision maker  of United States 
media content producers.

  On Jul 4, 2016 3:48 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:

It’s been mandated now in Canada for a la carte by end of year

 


http://globalnews.ca/news/1892474/canada-to-require-a-la-carte-television-service-by-december-2016/

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: July 4, 2016 4:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

 

I'm of the same opinion, however we are still 5+ years away from that, at a 
minimum. Ten if you want ala-carte ESPN.

 

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Jason McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

  I'm of the opinion that unbundling is the future, so even if the solution 
isn't perfect it should be a good stop gap that won't cost a ton of money to 
get started with. I just can't see investing in a full headend and associated 
infrastructure at this point in the game.

  On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

There are downsides to the solution he has as well. It all depends on 
how much control you need, and if X channel is important to your subscriber 
base or not. It also depends on the feature set you want to offer your 
customers (to truly compete with cable cos).

On Jul 3, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

  There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the 
way things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most 
companies are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be 
worthwhile when available.

  On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald <aa...@wifitz.net> wrote:

I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where 
do I even start?


 

-- 



 

Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO

wiFitz Network Services

Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor

Phone: 319/540-8999

Web: http://www.wifitz.net

 

wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC

 

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Chuck McCown]

Yes, RCTV.

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 7:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

So when you suggest HLS and no middleware, you are outsourcing?

 

If you want to have fun, HEVC+HLS is a great way to lose some hair ;)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: July 5, 2016 9:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

 

You have to groom your network, and supply set top boxes.  Then there are 
troubleshooting issues at times.

And you have middleware and middleware licensing and costs.  For a full 
implementation you gotta have a headend etc.  Big investment.  

 

None of that happens with HLS.  

 

IGMP is more time consuming than just giving out the username and password and 
letting the customer do the rest.  If they can do netflix, they can do HLS.  

 

I have done both.  Actually I did IGMP twice.  If your viewer can stream 
Netflix, they can stream something and you may as well make money off that 
something.  The network is going to be used either way.  

 

From: Josh Reynolds 

Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:57 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

 

As someone deploying one right now, it is far more network efficient than 
stream/perViewer.

On Jul 4, 2016 11:51 PM, "Aaron Fitzgerald" <aa...@wifitz.net> wrote:

  The whole draw of IGMP based is reduced network load -- what's wrong with it 
in practice?

   

  On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Amen, been there done that.  Forget IGMP based systems too.  

 

From: Jason McKemie 

Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:42 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

 

There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way 
things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most companies 
are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be worthwhile when 
available.

On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald <aa...@wifitz.net> wrote:

  I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I 
even start?


   

  -- 



   

  Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO

  wiFitz Network Services

  Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor

  Phone: 319/540-8999

  Web: http://www.wifitz.net

   

  wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC





   

  -- 



   

  Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO

  wiFitz Network Services

  Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor

  Phone: 319/540-8999

  Web: http://www.wifitz.net

   

  wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Paul Stewart]

So when you suggest HLS and no middleware, you are outsourcing?

 

If you want to have fun, HEVC+HLS is a great way to lose some hair ;)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: July 5, 2016 9:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

 

You have to groom your network, and supply set top boxes.  Then there are 
troubleshooting issues at times.

And you have middleware and middleware licensing and costs.  For a full 
implementation you gotta have a headend etc.  Big investment.  

 

None of that happens with HLS.  

 

IGMP is more time consuming than just giving out the username and password and 
letting the customer do the rest.  If they can do netflix, they can do HLS.  

 

I have done both.  Actually I did IGMP twice.  If your viewer can stream 
Netflix, they can stream something and you may as well make money off that 
something.  The network is going to be used either way.  

 

From: Josh Reynolds <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>  

Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:57 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

 

As someone deploying one right now, it is far more network efficient than 
stream/perViewer.

On Jul 4, 2016 11:51 PM, "Aaron Fitzgerald" <aa...@wifitz.net 
<mailto:aa...@wifitz.net> > wrote:

The whole draw of IGMP based is reduced network load -- what's wrong with it in 
practice?

 

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Amen, been there done that.  Forget IGMP based systems too.  

 

From: Jason McKemie <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>  

Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:42 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

 

There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way things 
are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most companies are 
using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be worthwhile when 
available.

On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald <aa...@wifitz.net 
<mailto:aa...@wifitz.net> > wrote:

I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I even 
start?


 

-- 

  
<https://docs.google.com/a/aaronfitz.net/uc?id=0B826K7R5GI59NXRkLUQ4ajZuaGs=download>
 

 

Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO

wiFitz Network Services

Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor

Phone: 319/540-8999 <tel:319%2F540-8999> 

Web: http://www.wifitz.net

 

wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC





 

-- 

  
<https://docs.google.com/a/aaronfitz.net/uc?id=0B826K7R5GI59NXRkLUQ4ajZuaGs=download>
 

 

Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO

wiFitz Network Services

Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor

Phone: 319/540-8999 <tel:319%2F540-8999> 

Web: http://www.wifitz.net

 

wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Chuck McCown]

You have to groom your network, and supply set top boxes.  Then there are 
troubleshooting issues at times.
And you have middleware and middleware licensing and costs.  For a full 
implementation you gotta have a headend etc.  Big investment.  

None of that happens with HLS.  

IGMP is more time consuming than just giving out the username and password and 
letting the customer do the rest.  If they can do netflix, they can do HLS.  

I have done both.  Actually I did IGMP twice.  If your viewer can stream 
Netflix, they can stream something and you may as well make money off that 
something.  The network is going to be used either way.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

As someone deploying one right now, it is far more network efficient than 
stream/perViewer.

On Jul 4, 2016 11:51 PM, "Aaron Fitzgerald" <aa...@wifitz.net> wrote:

  The whole draw of IGMP based is reduced network load -- what's wrong with it 
in practice?

  On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Amen, been there done that.  Forget IGMP based systems too.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way 
things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most companies 
are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be worthwhile when 
available.

On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald <aa...@wifitz.net> wrote:

  I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I 
even start?


  -- 




  Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
  wiFitz Network Services
  Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
  Phone: 319/540-8999
  Web: http://www.wifitz.net

  wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC




  -- 




  Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
  wiFitz Network Services
  Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
  Phone: 319/540-8999
  Web: http://www.wifitz.net

  wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Paul Stewart]

I worked for several years with various networks that were IGMP based with 
“traditional IPTV” deployments.They worked and worked well…. FTTH, VDSL, 
ADSL2+ etc delivery

 

I’ve spent the last year and a bit working around stream based IPTV and can’t 
say the same thing.  VOD type of stream delivery (ie. Netflix etc) is 
relatively straight forward … linear TV programming via stream has a lot of 
challenges especially as it scales with channels and subscribers.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: July 5, 2016 1:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

 

As someone deploying one right now, it is far more network efficient than 
stream/perViewer.

On Jul 4, 2016 11:51 PM, "Aaron Fitzgerald" <aa...@wifitz.net 
<mailto:aa...@wifitz.net> > wrote:

The whole draw of IGMP based is reduced network load -- what's wrong with it in 
practice?

 

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Amen, been there done that.  Forget IGMP based systems too.  

 

From:  <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> Jason McKemie 

Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:42 PM

To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

 

There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way things 
are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most companies are 
using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be worthwhile when 
available.

On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald < <mailto:aa...@wifitz.net> 
aa...@wifitz.net> wrote:

I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I even 
start?


 

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Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO

wiFitz Network Services

Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor

Phone:  <tel:319%2F540-8999> 319/540-8999

Web:  <http://www.wifitz.net> http://www.wifitz.net

 

wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC





 

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Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO

wiFitz Network Services

Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor

Phone: 319/540-8999 <tel:319%2F540-8999> 

Web: http://www.wifitz.net

 

wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Josh Reynolds]

As someone deploying one right now, it is far more network efficient than
stream/perViewer.
On Jul 4, 2016 11:51 PM, "Aaron Fitzgerald" <aa...@wifitz.net> wrote:

> The whole draw of IGMP based is reduced network load -- what's wrong with
> it in practice?
>
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Amen, been there done that.  Forget IGMP based systems too.
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:42 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPTV
>>
>> There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way
>> things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most
>> companies are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be
>> worthwhile when available.
>>
>> On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald <aa...@wifitz.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I
>>> even start?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
>>> wiFitz Network Services
>>> Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
>>> Phone: 319/540-8999
>>> Web: http://www.wifitz.net
>>>
>>> wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
> wiFitz Network Services
> Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
> Phone: 319/540-8999
> Web: http://www.wifitz.net
>
> wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Aaron Fitzgerald]

The whole draw of IGMP based is reduced network load -- what's wrong with
it in practice?

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Amen, been there done that.  Forget IGMP based systems too.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPTV
>
> There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way
> things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most
> companies are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be
> worthwhile when available.
>
> On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald <aa...@wifitz.net> wrote:
>
>> I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I
>> even start?
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
>> wiFitz Network Services
>> Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
>> Phone: 319/540-8999
>> Web: http://www.wifitz.net
>>
>> wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC
>>
>


-- 


Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
wiFitz Network Services
Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
Phone: 319/540-8999
Web: http://www.wifitz.net

wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Faisal Imtiaz]

haha, funny to see how easily folks forget ... 

I always get a kick of of the Water Bottle Machine selling water bottles for $1 
each, right next to the cold water fountain  

It is amazing how much brain washing is done by repeated advertising blitz 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 7:53:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

> There is TV because TV was free.
> From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 5:51 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

> If TV was free, there would be no TV.
> On Jul 4, 2016 6:50 PM, "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > wrote:

>> I am one of those that believes that TV should be free. That's why we get 
>> ours
>> OTA.

>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>> On 7/4/2016 4:03 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:

>>> The thing is, even with all my add-ons (HBO, Showtime and no-commercial 
>>> Hulu)
>>> I'm still paying far less than I was for Dish or DirecTV.

>>> On 07/04/2016 03:25 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

>>>> On 7/4/16 15:04, Bill Prince wrote:

>>>>> You talking about HBO Go or HBO Now? Is that content worth $15/month?

>>>> HBO Go is the participating provider version i.e. cable provider. HBO Now 
>>>> is
>>>> standalone stream subscription version. I use a Roku.

>>>> HBO Now is worth it to me for Game of Thrones and Silicon Valley alone.

>>>> ~Seth

>>>> !DSPAM:2,577ae5eb101802062918145!

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Paul Stewart]

Fair enough .. although movie and TV production is quite significant in Canada 
for some of the shows you watch during prime time :)  Although it’s more movies 
than TV come to think of it

 

It’s not about the media content producers as much as it’s about FCC regulation 
in my opinion .. 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: July 4, 2016 4:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

 

To be fair, Canada isn't exactly a driving decision maker  of United States 
media content producers.

On Jul 4, 2016 3:48 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org 
<mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

It’s been mandated now in Canada for a la carte by end of year

 

http://globalnews.ca/news/1892474/canada-to-require-a-la-carte-television-service-by-december-2016/

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: July 4, 2016 4:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

 

I'm of the same opinion, however we are still 5+ years away from that, at a 
minimum. Ten if you want ala-carte ESPN.

 

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

I'm of the opinion that unbundling is the future, so even if the solution isn't 
perfect it should be a good stop gap that won't cost a ton of money to get 
started with. I just can't see investing in a full headend and associated 
infrastructure at this point in the game.

On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote:

There are downsides to the solution he has as well. It all depends on how much 
control you need, and if X channel is important to your subscriber base or not. 
It also depends on the feature set you want to offer your customers (to truly 
compete with cable cos).

On Jul 3, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way things 
are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most companies are 
using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be worthwhile when 
available.

On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald <aa...@wifitz.net 
<mailto:aa...@wifitz.net> > wrote:

I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I even 
start?


 

-- 

  
<https://docs.google.com/a/aaronfitz.net/uc?id=0B826K7R5GI59NXRkLUQ4ajZuaGs=download>
 

 

Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO

wiFitz Network Services

Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor

Phone: 319/540-8999 <tel:319%2F540-8999> 

Web: http://www.wifitz.net

 

wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC

 

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Josh Reynolds]

Touche.
On Jul 4, 2016 6:53 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> There is TV because TV was free.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2016 5:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPTV
>
>
> If TV was free, there would be no TV.
> On Jul 4, 2016 6:50 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am one of those that believes that TV should be free. That's why we get
>> ours OTA.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>> On 7/4/2016 4:03 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
>>
>> The thing is, even with all my add-ons (HBO, Showtime and no-commercial
>> Hulu) I'm still paying *far* less than I was for Dish or DirecTV.
>>
>> On 07/04/2016 03:25 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>>
>> On 7/4/16 15:04, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> You talking about HBO Go or HBO Now? Is that content worth $15/month?
>>
>>
>>
>> HBO Go is the participating provider version i.e. cable provider. HBO Now
>> is standalone stream subscription version. I use a Roku.
>>
>> HBO Now is worth it to me for Game of Thrones and Silicon Valley alone.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>>
>> !DSPAM:2,577ae5eb101802062918145!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Chuck McCown]

There is TV because TV was free.

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 5:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

If TV was free, there would be no TV.

On Jul 4, 2016 6:50 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

  I am one of those that believes that TV should be free. That's why we get 
ours OTA.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 7/4/2016 4:03 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:

The thing is, even with all my add-ons (HBO, Showtime and no-commercial 
Hulu) I'm still paying far less than I was for Dish or DirecTV.


On 07/04/2016 03:25 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

  On 7/4/16 15:04, Bill Prince wrote: 

You talking about HBO Go or HBO Now? Is that content worth $15/month? 



  HBO Go is the participating provider version i.e. cable provider. HBO Now 
is standalone stream subscription version. I use a Roku. 

  HBO Now is worth it to me for Game of Thrones and Silicon Valley alone. 

  ~Seth 


  !DSPAM:2,577ae5eb101802062918145! 

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Josh Reynolds]

If TV was free, there would be no TV.
On Jul 4, 2016 6:50 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> I am one of those that believes that TV should be free. That's why we get
> ours OTA.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 7/4/2016 4:03 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
>
> The thing is, even with all my add-ons (HBO, Showtime and no-commercial
> Hulu) I'm still paying *far* less than I was for Dish or DirecTV.
>
> On 07/04/2016 03:25 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>
> On 7/4/16 15:04, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> You talking about HBO Go or HBO Now? Is that content worth $15/month?
>
>
>
> HBO Go is the participating provider version i.e. cable provider. HBO Now
> is standalone stream subscription version. I use a Roku.
>
> HBO Now is worth it to me for Game of Thrones and Silicon Valley alone.
>
> ~Seth
>
>
> !DSPAM:2,577ae5eb101802062918145!
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Bill Prince]

I am one of those that believes that TV should be free. That's why we 
get ours OTA.



bp


On 7/4/2016 4:03 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
The thing is, even with all my add-ons (HBO, Showtime and 
no-commercial Hulu) I'm still paying /far/ less than I was for Dish or 
DirecTV.


On 07/04/2016 03:25 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 7/4/16 15:04, Bill Prince wrote:

You talking about HBO Go or HBO Now? Is that content worth $15/month?



HBO Go is the participating provider version i.e. cable provider. HBO 
Now is standalone stream subscription version. I use a Roku.


HBO Now is worth it to me for Game of Thrones and Silicon Valley alone.

~Seth


!DSPAM:2,577ae5eb101802062918145!

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Josh Reynolds]

You know, I forgot that took effect in June of last year TBH.

We'll see if it survives the test of time though.
On Jul 4, 2016 6:32 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Shouldn’t be, not in the US.  If  you are a BIAS provider, you have all
> the rights of any of the other utilities to access ROWs.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2016 4:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPTV
>
>
> Something else to mention: being affiliated with one of the larger content
> providers is, in certain jurisdictions, a requirement for getting access
> into the local ROW.
> On Jul 4, 2016 5:09 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
>> HBO/Showtime is also available via apps. They are looking for as much
>> exposure as possible.
>>
>> The traditional cable networks are another deal all together, as their
>> relationships are greatly tied to advertising revenue and explicit deals.
>> Sometimes this even includes certain channel numbers.
>>
>> I had no idea the steps these content companies would go to to protect
>> the "status quo" until I started having to interact with them.
>> On Jul 4, 2016 4:24 PM, "Jeremy" <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I sure am loving HBO on Roku!  With Showtime following their lead, it is
>>> only a matter of time before everybody has a Roku channel.  I don't think
>>> ESPN will take ten years.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> To be fair, Canada isn't exactly a driving decision maker  of United
>>>> States media content producers.
>>>> On Jul 4, 2016 3:48 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It’s been mandated now in Canada for a la carte by end of year
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://globalnews.ca/news/1892474/canada-to-require-a-la-carte-television-service-by-december-2016/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>>>>> *Sent:* July 4, 2016 4:26 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPTV
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm of the same opinion, however we are still 5+ years away from that,
>>>>> at a minimum. Ten if you want ala-carte ESPN.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Jason McKemie <
>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm of the opinion that unbundling is the future, so even if the
>>>>> solution isn't perfect it should be a good stop gap that won't cost a ton
>>>>> of money to get started with. I just can't see investing in a full headend
>>>>> and associated infrastructure at this point in the game.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There are downsides to the solution he has as well. It all depends on
>>>>> how much control you need, and if X channel is important to your 
>>>>> subscriber
>>>>> base or not. It also depends on the feature set you want to offer your
>>>>> customers (to truly compete with cable cos).
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 3, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the
>>>>> way things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most
>>>>> companies are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be
>>>>> worthwhile when available.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald <aa...@wifitz.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do
>>>>> I even start?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
>>>>>
>>>>> wiFitz Network Services
>>>>>
>>>>> Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone: 319/540-8999
>>>>>
>>>>> Web: http://www.wifitz.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Chuck McCown]

Shouldn’t be, not in the US.  If  you are a BIAS provider, you have all the 
rights of any of the other utilities to access ROWs.

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 4:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

Something else to mention: being affiliated with one of the larger content 
providers is, in certain jurisdictions, a requirement for getting access into 
the local ROW.

On Jul 4, 2016 5:09 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

  HBO/Showtime is also available via apps. They are looking for as much 
exposure as possible.

  The traditional cable networks are another deal all together, as their 
relationships are greatly tied to advertising revenue and explicit deals. 
Sometimes this even includes certain channel numbers.

  I had no idea the steps these content companies would go to to protect the 
"status quo" until I started having to interact with them.

  On Jul 4, 2016 4:24 PM, "Jeremy" <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

I sure am loving HBO on Roku!  With Showtime following their lead, it is 
only a matter of time before everybody has a Roku channel.  I don't think ESPN 
will take ten years.

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

  To be fair, Canada isn't exactly a driving decision maker  of United 
States media content producers.

  On Jul 4, 2016 3:48 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:

It’s been mandated now in Canada for a la carte by end of year




http://globalnews.ca/news/1892474/canada-to-require-a-la-carte-television-service-by-december-2016/







From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: July 4, 2016 4:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV



I'm of the same opinion, however we are still 5+ years away from that, 
at a minimum. Ten if you want ala-carte ESPN.



On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Jason McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

  I'm of the opinion that unbundling is the future, so even if the 
solution isn't perfect it should be a good stop gap that won't cost a ton of 
money to get started with. I just can't see investing in a full headend and 
associated infrastructure at this point in the game.

  On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

There are downsides to the solution he has as well. It all depends 
on how much control you need, and if X channel is important to your subscriber 
base or not. It also depends on the feature set you want to offer your 
customers (to truly compete with cable cos).

On Jul 3, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

  There is going to have to be something new come to market. With 
the way things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most 
companies are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be 
worthwhile when available.

  On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald <aa...@wifitz.net> 
wrote:

I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. 
Where do I even start?




-- 





Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO

wiFitz Network Services

Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor

Phone: 319/540-8999

Web: http://www.wifitz.net



wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Seth Mattinen]

On 7/4/16 15:48, Chris Fabien wrote:

So far it's the closest we have found to a product that is possible for
a small provider like us. We are considering launching with it. But I
still think it will be a stopgap measure to attract those customers who
think they need a bundle. Maybe thats okay if they cancel the TV after a
few months and keep our internet... that's where the profit is anyway.



Once they get the Roku they'll realize what else is out there compared 
to "the bundle".


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Bruce Robertson]

The thing is, even with all my add-ons (HBO, Showtime and no-commercial 
Hulu) I'm still paying /far/ less than I was for Dish or DirecTV.


On 07/04/2016 03:25 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 7/4/16 15:04, Bill Prince wrote:

You talking about HBO Go or HBO Now? Is that content worth $15/month?



HBO Go is the participating provider version i.e. cable provider. HBO 
Now is standalone stream subscription version. I use a Roku.


HBO Now is worth it to me for Game of Thrones and Silicon Valley alone.

~Seth


!DSPAM:2,577ae5eb101802062918145!

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Bruce Robertson]

I don't watch Silicon Valley (yet) but GoT is worth $15/mo.  And you can 
always turn it off like now, when the season is over.


On 07/04/2016 03:25 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 7/4/16 15:04, Bill Prince wrote:

You talking about HBO Go or HBO Now? Is that content worth $15/month?



HBO Go is the participating provider version i.e. cable provider. HBO 
Now is standalone stream subscription version. I use a Roku.


HBO Now is worth it to me for Game of Thrones and Silicon Valley alone.

~Seth


!DSPAM:2,577ae5eb101802062918145!

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Chris Fabien]

We have demo'd the realchoice product, it works as asvertised and video
quality is identical or better to our Charter cable.  The UI looks nice but
is fairly basic at this point, it's clearly a work in progress and missing
some key features. The pricing doesn't leave any room for profit, that's
been the case with other IPTV solutions weve looked at.

My biggest complaint is the choice of using the Roku as the set top box. It
has a Netflix and Hulu button right on the remote to remind the customer
you could be watching these other services much cheaper than your ISP's
cable package.

So far it's the closest we have found to a product that is possible for a
small provider like us. We are considering launching with it. But I still
think it will be a stopgap measure to attract those customers who think
they need a bundle. Maybe thats okay if they cancel the TV after a few
months and keep our internet... that's where the profit is anyway.

On Jul 4, 2016 10:34 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> The nice thing about RCTV is there is zero investment.  And as they grow
> more channels will be added and more packages will be added and if you want
> to invest some money with the middleware provider for a license you can
> create your own packages.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2016 12:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPTV
>
> I'm of the opinion that unbundling is the future, so even if the solution
> isn't perfect it should be a good stop gap that won't cost a ton of money
> to get started with. I just can't see investing in a full headend and
> associated infrastructure at this point in the game.
>
> On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
>> There are downsides to the solution he has as well. It all depends on how
>> much control you need, and if X channel is important to your subscriber
>> base or not. It also depends on the feature set you want to offer your
>> customers (to truly compete with cable cos).
>> On Jul 3, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com');> wrote:
>>
>>> There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way
>>> things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most
>>> companies are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be
>>> worthwhile when available.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','aa...@wifitz.net');> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do
>>>> I even start?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
>>>> wiFitz Network Services
>>>> Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
>>>> Phone: 319/540-8999
>>>> Web: http://www.wifitz.net
>>>>
>>>> wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC
>>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Bill Prince]

But you'd have to pay me at least $30/month to force me to watch those 
($15 each). They're probably not interested in that model ;-)...



bp


On 7/4/2016 3:25 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

HBO Now is worth it to me for Game of Thrones and Silicon Valley alone.

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Seth Mattinen]

On 7/4/16 15:04, Bill Prince wrote:

You talking about HBO Go or HBO Now? Is that content worth $15/month?



HBO Go is the participating provider version i.e. cable provider. HBO 
Now is standalone stream subscription version. I use a Roku.


HBO Now is worth it to me for Game of Thrones and Silicon Valley alone.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Josh Reynolds]

Something else to mention: being affiliated with one of the larger content
providers is, in certain jurisdictions, a requirement for getting access
into the local ROW.
On Jul 4, 2016 5:09 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> HBO/Showtime is also available via apps. They are looking for as much
> exposure as possible.
>
> The traditional cable networks are another deal all together, as their
> relationships are greatly tied to advertising revenue and explicit deals.
> Sometimes this even includes certain channel numbers.
>
> I had no idea the steps these content companies would go to to protect the
> "status quo" until I started having to interact with them.
> On Jul 4, 2016 4:24 PM, "Jeremy" <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I sure am loving HBO on Roku!  With Showtime following their lead, it is
>> only a matter of time before everybody has a Roku channel.  I don't think
>> ESPN will take ten years.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To be fair, Canada isn't exactly a driving decision maker  of United
>>> States media content producers.
>>> On Jul 4, 2016 3:48 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It’s been mandated now in Canada for a la carte by end of year
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://globalnews.ca/news/1892474/canada-to-require-a-la-carte-television-service-by-december-2016/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>>>> *Sent:* July 4, 2016 4:26 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPTV
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm of the same opinion, however we are still 5+ years away from that,
>>>> at a minimum. Ten if you want ala-carte ESPN.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Jason McKemie <
>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm of the opinion that unbundling is the future, so even if the
>>>> solution isn't perfect it should be a good stop gap that won't cost a ton
>>>> of money to get started with. I just can't see investing in a full headend
>>>> and associated infrastructure at this point in the game.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There are downsides to the solution he has as well. It all depends on
>>>> how much control you need, and if X channel is important to your subscriber
>>>> base or not. It also depends on the feature set you want to offer your
>>>> customers (to truly compete with cable cos).
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 3, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way
>>>> things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most
>>>> companies are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be
>>>> worthwhile when available.
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald <aa...@wifitz.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do
>>>> I even start?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
>>>>
>>>> wiFitz Network Services
>>>>
>>>> Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
>>>>
>>>> Phone: 319/540-8999
>>>>
>>>> Web: http://www.wifitz.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Jeremy]

HBO Go.  It is worth $15 a month for GoT and John Oliver alone.  The movies
and everything else are just a bonus.

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You talking about HBO Go or HBO Now? Is that content worth $15/month?
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 7/4/2016 2:24 PM, Jeremy wrote:
>
> I sure am loving HBO on Roku!  With Showtime following their lead, it is
> only a matter of time before everybody has a Roku channel.  I don't think
> ESPN will take ten years.
>
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> To be fair, Canada isn't exactly a driving decision maker  of United
>> States media content producers.
>> On Jul 4, 2016 3:48 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:
>>
>>> It’s been mandated now in Canada for a la carte by end of year
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://globalnews.ca/news/1892474/canada-to-require-a-la-carte-television-service-by-december-2016/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto: <af-boun...@afmug.com>af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* July 4, 2016 4:26 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPTV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm of the same opinion, however we are still 5+ years away from that,
>>> at a minimum. Ten if you want ala-carte ESPN.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Jason McKemie <
>>> <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm of the opinion that unbundling is the future, so even if the
>>> solution isn't perfect it should be a good stop gap that won't cost a ton
>>> of money to get started with. I just can't see investing in a full headend
>>> and associated infrastructure at this point in the game.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There are downsides to the solution he has as well. It all depends on
>>> how much control you need, and if X channel is important to your subscriber
>>> base or not. It also depends on the feature set you want to offer your
>>> customers (to truly compete with cable cos).
>>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>>> <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way
>>> things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most
>>> companies are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be
>>> worthwhile when available.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald < <aa...@wifitz.net>
>>> aa...@wifitz.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I
>>> even start?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
>>>
>>> wiFitz Network Services
>>>
>>> Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
>>>
>>> Phone: 319/540-8999
>>>
>>> Web: <http://www.wifitz.net>http://www.wifitz.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Josh Reynolds]

HBO/Showtime is also available via apps. They are looking for as much
exposure as possible.

The traditional cable networks are another deal all together, as their
relationships are greatly tied to advertising revenue and explicit deals.
Sometimes this even includes certain channel numbers.

I had no idea the steps these content companies would go to to protect the
"status quo" until I started having to interact with them.
On Jul 4, 2016 4:24 PM, "Jeremy" <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I sure am loving HBO on Roku!  With Showtime following their lead, it is
> only a matter of time before everybody has a Roku channel.  I don't think
> ESPN will take ten years.
>
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> To be fair, Canada isn't exactly a driving decision maker  of United
>> States media content producers.
>> On Jul 4, 2016 3:48 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:
>>
>>> It’s been mandated now in Canada for a la carte by end of year
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://globalnews.ca/news/1892474/canada-to-require-a-la-carte-television-service-by-december-2016/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* July 4, 2016 4:26 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPTV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm of the same opinion, however we are still 5+ years away from that,
>>> at a minimum. Ten if you want ala-carte ESPN.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm of the opinion that unbundling is the future, so even if the
>>> solution isn't perfect it should be a good stop gap that won't cost a ton
>>> of money to get started with. I just can't see investing in a full headend
>>> and associated infrastructure at this point in the game.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There are downsides to the solution he has as well. It all depends on
>>> how much control you need, and if X channel is important to your subscriber
>>> base or not. It also depends on the feature set you want to offer your
>>> customers (to truly compete with cable cos).
>>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way
>>> things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most
>>> companies are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be
>>> worthwhile when available.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald <aa...@wifitz.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I
>>> even start?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
>>>
>>> wiFitz Network Services
>>>
>>> Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
>>>
>>> Phone: 319/540-8999
>>>
>>> Web: http://www.wifitz.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Bill Prince]

You talking about HBO Go or HBO Now? Is that content worth $15/month?


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 7/4/2016 2:24 PM, Jeremy wrote:
I sure am loving HBO on Roku!  With Showtime following their lead, it 
is only a matter of time before everybody has a Roku channel.  I don't 
think ESPN will take ten years.


On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:


To be fair, Canada isn't exactly a driving decision maker  of
United States media content producers.

On Jul 4, 2016 3:48 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org
<mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:

It’s been mandated now in Canada for a la carte by end of year


http://globalnews.ca/news/1892474/canada-to-require-a-la-carte-television-service-by-december-2016/

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* July 4, 2016 4:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

I'm of the same opinion, however we are still 5+ years away
from that, at a minimum. Ten if you want ala-carte ESPN.

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Jason McKemie
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

I'm of the opinion that unbundling is the future, so even
if the solution isn't perfect it should be a good stop gap
that won't cost a ton of money to get started with. I just
can't see investing in a full headend and associated
infrastructure at this point in the game.

On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Reynolds
<j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

There are downsides to the solution he has as well. It
all depends on how much control you need, and if X
channel is important to your subscriber base or not.
It also depends on the feature set you want to offer
your customers (to truly compete with cable cos).

On Jul 3, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jason McKemie"
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

There is going to have to be something new come to
market. With the way things are moving, it's not
worth investing in a full setup like most
companies are using right now. The system Chuck is
working on could be worthwhile when available.

On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald
<aa...@wifitz.net <mailto:aa...@wifitz.net>> wrote:

I'd like to look into providing TV services to
our customers. Where do I even start?

-- 


Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO

wiFitz Network Services

Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor

Phone: 319/540-8999 <tel:319%2F540-8999>

Web: http://www.wifitz.net

wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Bruce Robertson]

+1000!

On 07/04/2016 02:24 PM, Jeremy wrote:
I sure am loving HBO on Roku!  With Showtime following their lead, it 
is only a matter of time before everybody has a Roku channel.  I don't 
think ESPN will take ten years.


On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:


To be fair, Canada isn't exactly a driving decision maker  of
United States media content producers.

On Jul 4, 2016 3:48 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org
<mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:

It’s been mandated now in Canada for a la carte by end of year


http://globalnews.ca/news/1892474/canada-to-require-a-la-carte-television-service-by-december-2016/

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* July 4, 2016 4:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

I'm of the same opinion, however we are still 5+ years away
from that, at a minimum. Ten if you want ala-carte ESPN.

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Jason McKemie
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

I'm of the opinion that unbundling is the future, so even
if the solution isn't perfect it should be a good stop gap
that won't cost a ton of money to get started with. I just
can't see investing in a full headend and associated
infrastructure at this point in the game.

On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Reynolds
<j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

There are downsides to the solution he has as well. It
all depends on how much control you need, and if X
channel is important to your subscriber base or not.
It also depends on the feature set you want to offer
your customers (to truly compete with cable cos).

On Jul 3, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jason McKemie"
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

There is going to have to be something new come to
market. With the way things are moving, it's not
worth investing in a full setup like most
companies are using right now. The system Chuck is
working on could be worthwhile when available.

On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald
<aa...@wifitz.net <mailto:aa...@wifitz.net>> wrote:

I'd like to look into providing TV services to
our customers. Where do I even start?

-- 


Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO

wiFitz Network Services

Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor

Phone: 319/540-8999 <tel:319%2F540-8999>

Web: http://www.wifitz.net

wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC


!DSPAM:2,577ad42e74061318011850! 

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Jeremy]

I sure am loving HBO on Roku!  With Showtime following their lead, it is
only a matter of time before everybody has a Roku channel.  I don't think
ESPN will take ten years.

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 2:50 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> To be fair, Canada isn't exactly a driving decision maker  of United
> States media content producers.
> On Jul 4, 2016 3:48 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:
>
>> It’s been mandated now in Canada for a la carte by end of year
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://globalnews.ca/news/1892474/canada-to-require-a-la-carte-television-service-by-december-2016/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* July 4, 2016 4:26 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPTV
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm of the same opinion, however we are still 5+ years away from that, at
>> a minimum. Ten if you want ala-carte ESPN.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm of the opinion that unbundling is the future, so even if the solution
>> isn't perfect it should be a good stop gap that won't cost a ton of money
>> to get started with. I just can't see investing in a full headend and
>> associated infrastructure at this point in the game.
>>
>> On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>
>> There are downsides to the solution he has as well. It all depends on how
>> much control you need, and if X channel is important to your subscriber
>> base or not. It also depends on the feature set you want to offer your
>> customers (to truly compete with cable cos).
>>
>> On Jul 3, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way
>> things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most
>> companies are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be
>> worthwhile when available.
>>
>> On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald <aa...@wifitz.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I
>> even start?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
>>
>> wiFitz Network Services
>>
>> Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
>>
>> Phone: 319/540-8999
>>
>> Web: http://www.wifitz.net
>>
>>
>>
>> wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Josh Reynolds]

To be fair, Canada isn't exactly a driving decision maker  of United States
media content producers.
On Jul 4, 2016 3:48 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:

> It’s been mandated now in Canada for a la carte by end of year
>
>
>
>
> http://globalnews.ca/news/1892474/canada-to-require-a-la-carte-television-service-by-december-2016/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* July 4, 2016 4:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPTV
>
>
>
> I'm of the same opinion, however we are still 5+ years away from that, at
> a minimum. Ten if you want ala-carte ESPN.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> I'm of the opinion that unbundling is the future, so even if the solution
> isn't perfect it should be a good stop gap that won't cost a ton of money
> to get started with. I just can't see investing in a full headend and
> associated infrastructure at this point in the game.
>
> On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
> There are downsides to the solution he has as well. It all depends on how
> much control you need, and if X channel is important to your subscriber
> base or not. It also depends on the feature set you want to offer your
> customers (to truly compete with cable cos).
>
> On Jul 3, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> wrote:
>
> There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way
> things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most
> companies are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be
> worthwhile when available.
>
> On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald <aa...@wifitz.net> wrote:
>
> I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I
> even start?
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
>
> wiFitz Network Services
>
> Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
>
> Phone: 319/540-8999
>
> Web: http://www.wifitz.net
>
>
>
> wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Paul Stewart]

It’s been mandated now in Canada for a la carte by end of year

 

http://globalnews.ca/news/1892474/canada-to-require-a-la-carte-television-service-by-december-2016/

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: July 4, 2016 4:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

 

I'm of the same opinion, however we are still 5+ years away from that, at a 
minimum. Ten if you want ala-carte ESPN.

 

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

I'm of the opinion that unbundling is the future, so even if the solution isn't 
perfect it should be a good stop gap that won't cost a ton of money to get 
started with. I just can't see investing in a full headend and associated 
infrastructure at this point in the game.

On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote:

There are downsides to the solution he has as well. It all depends on how much 
control you need, and if X channel is important to your subscriber base or not. 
It also depends on the feature set you want to offer your customers (to truly 
compete with cable cos).

On Jul 3, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way things 
are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most companies are 
using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be worthwhile when 
available.

On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald <aa...@wifitz.net 
<mailto:aa...@wifitz.net> > wrote:

I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I even 
start?


 

-- 

  
<https://docs.google.com/a/aaronfitz.net/uc?id=0B826K7R5GI59NXRkLUQ4ajZuaGs=download>
 

 

Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO

wiFitz Network Services

Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor

Phone: 319/540-8999 <tel:319%2F540-8999> 

Web: http://www.wifitz.net

 

wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC

 

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Josh Reynolds]

I'm of the same opinion, however we are still 5+ years away from that, at a
minimum. Ten if you want ala-carte ESPN.

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I'm of the opinion that unbundling is the future, so even if the solution
> isn't perfect it should be a good stop gap that won't cost a ton of money
> to get started with. I just can't see investing in a full headend and
> associated infrastructure at this point in the game.
>
> On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> There are downsides to the solution he has as well. It all depends on how
>> much control you need, and if X channel is important to your subscriber
>> base or not. It also depends on the feature set you want to offer your
>> customers (to truly compete with cable cos).
>> On Jul 3, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way
>>> things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most
>>> companies are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be
>>> worthwhile when available.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald  wrote:
>>>
 I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do
 I even start?

 --


 Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
 wiFitz Network Services
 Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
 Phone: 319/540-8999
 Web: http://www.wifitz.net

 wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC

>>>

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Chuck McCown]

Yes

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV


Same company?

http://www.realchoice.tv/

another seemed to be on facebook but their website was dead and no posts since 
2015

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 10:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

  I am still working on it.  Realchoice tv is up and working well provided you 
have a VLAN to their headend signal.  They are talking to a larger tier 2 
provider about nationwide access for $300/month.  

  From: Aaron Fitzgerald 
  Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:52 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] IPTV

  I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I even 
start?


  -- 




  Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
  wiFitz Network Services
  Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
  Phone: 319/540-8999
  Web: http://www.wifitz.net

  wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Same company?

http://www.realchoice.tv/

another seemed to be on facebook but their website was dead and no posts since 
2015

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 10:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV


  I am still working on it.  Realchoice tv is up and working well provided you 
have a VLAN to their headend signal.  They are talking to a larger tier 2 
provider about nationwide access for $300/month.  

  From: Aaron Fitzgerald 
  Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:52 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] IPTV

  I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I even 
start?


  -- 




  Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
  wiFitz Network Services
  Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
  Phone: 319/540-8999
  Web: http://www.wifitz.net

  wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Chuck McCown]

The nice thing about RCTV is there is zero investment.  And as they grow more 
channels will be added and more packages will be added and if you want to 
invest some money with the middleware provider for a license you can create 
your own packages.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 12:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

I'm of the opinion that unbundling is the future, so even if the solution isn't 
perfect it should be a good stop gap that won't cost a ton of money to get 
started with. I just can't see investing in a full headend and associated 
infrastructure at this point in the game.

On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

  There are downsides to the solution he has as well. It all depends on how 
much control you need, and if X channel is important to your subscriber base or 
not. It also depends on the feature set you want to offer your customers (to 
truly compete with cable cos).

  On Jul 3, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com');> wrote:

There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way 
things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most companies 
are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be worthwhile when 
available.

On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','aa...@wifitz.net');> wrote:

  I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I 
even start?


  -- 




  Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
  wiFitz Network Services
  Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
  Phone: 319/540-8999
  Web: http://www.wifitz.net

  wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Chuck McCown]

Amen, been there done that.  Forget IGMP based systems too.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way things 
are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most companies are 
using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be worthwhile when 
available.

On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald <aa...@wifitz.net> wrote:

  I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I even 
start?


  -- 




  Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
  wiFitz Network Services
  Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
  Phone: 319/540-8999
  Web: http://www.wifitz.net

  wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Mike Hammett]

You don't have to. There are IPTV wholesalers out there. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 1:00:07 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV 

I'm of the opinion that unbundling is the future, so even if the solution isn't 
perfect it should be a good stop gap that won't cost a ton of money to get 
started with. I just can't see investing in a full headend and associated 
infrastructure at this point in the game. 

On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: 



There are downsides to the solution he has as well. It all depends on how much 
control you need, and if X channel is important to your subscriber base or not. 
It also depends on the feature set you want to offer your customers (to truly 
compete with cable cos). 
On Jul 3, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jason McKemie" < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > 
wrote: 


There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way things 
are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most companies are 
using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be worthwhile when 
available. 

On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald < aa...@wifitz.net > wrote: 



I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I even 
start? 


-- 






Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO 
wiFitz Network Services 
Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor 
Phone: 319/540-8999 
Web: http://www.wifitz.net 


wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC 

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Jason McKemie]

I'm of the opinion that unbundling is the future, so even if the solution
isn't perfect it should be a good stop gap that won't cost a ton of money
to get started with. I just can't see investing in a full headend and
associated infrastructure at this point in the game.

On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> There are downsides to the solution he has as well. It all depends on how
> much control you need, and if X channel is important to your subscriber
> base or not. It also depends on the feature set you want to offer your
> customers (to truly compete with cable cos).
> On Jul 3, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jason McKemie"  > wrote:
>
>> There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way
>> things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most
>> companies are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be
>> worthwhile when available.
>>
>> On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald > > wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I
>>> even start?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
>>> wiFitz Network Services
>>> Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
>>> Phone: 319/540-8999
>>> Web: http://www.wifitz.net
>>>
>>> wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Josh Reynolds]

There are downsides to the solution he has as well. It all depends on how
much control you need, and if X channel is important to your subscriber
base or not. It also depends on the feature set you want to offer your
customers (to truly compete with cable cos).
On Jul 3, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way
> things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most
> companies are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be
> worthwhile when available.
>
> On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald  wrote:
>
>> I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I
>> even start?
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
>> wiFitz Network Services
>> Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
>> Phone: 319/540-8999
>> Web: http://www.wifitz.net
>>
>> wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Jason McKemie]

There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way
things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most
companies are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be
worthwhile when available.

On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald  wrote:

> I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I
> even start?
>
> --
>
>
> Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
> wiFitz Network Services
> Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
> Phone: 319/540-8999
> Web: http://www.wifitz.net
>
> wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Mike Hammett]

That transport we talked about and I can arrange a cross connect to one. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Aaron Fitzgerald" <aa...@wifitz.net> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 10:52:27 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] IPTV 


I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I even 
start? 


-- 






Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO 
wiFitz Network Services 
Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor 
Phone: 319/540-8999 
Web: http://www.wifitz.net 


wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC 

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Erich Kaiser]

Chuck can you send me their info offlist?  Thanks!
On Jul 3, 2016 10:55 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I am still working on it.  Realchoice tv is up and working well provided
> you have a VLAN to their headend signal.  They are talking to a larger tier
> 2 provider about nationwide access for $300/month.
>
> *From:* Aaron Fitzgerald <aa...@wifitz.net>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] IPTV
>
> I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I
> even start?
>
> --
>
>
> Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
> wiFitz Network Services
> Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
> Phone: 319/540-8999
> Web: http://www.wifitz.net
>
> wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Chuck McCown]

I am still working on it.  Realchoice tv is up and working well provided you 
have a VLAN to their headend signal.  They are talking to a larger tier 2 
provider about nationwide access for $300/month.  

From: Aaron Fitzgerald 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] IPTV

I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I even 
start?


-- 




Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
wiFitz Network Services
Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
Phone: 319/540-8999
Web: http://www.wifitz.net

wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC

[AFMUG] IPTV

[Aaron Fitzgerald]

I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I
even start?

-- 


Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
wiFitz Network Services
Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
Phone: 319/540-8999
Web: http://www.wifitz.net

wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC

[AFMUG] IPTV Headend

[Chuck McCown]

Hi Craig,
Do you have a TV headend in St. Geo or surrounding area?

Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV Headend

[Chuck McCown]

Arrgh, that was supposed to be off list...

CQ, Calling Craig Baird

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 12:36 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] IPTV Headend 


Hi Craig,
Do you have a TV headend in St. Geo or surrounding area?

Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV growth

[Jaime Solorza]

Here is a link to all IPTV stuff I have been reading
http://www.globalvisionmag.com/?s=IPTVx=8y=14



Jaime Solorza
On Jan 2, 2015 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Do they consider OTT IPTV?

  *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Friday, January 02, 2015 2:54 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] IPTV growth


 According to article 50% in US this year

 Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV growth

[Chuck McCown]

Do they consider OTT IPTV?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 2:54 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] IPTV growth

According to article 50% in US this year

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV growth

[Jaime Solorza]

Haven't finished article yet.  Let me finished it and will offer synopsis.

Jaime Solorza
On Jan 2, 2015 7:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:

 They'd have to for those numbers.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com




 - Original Message -
 From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 16:21:35 -0600 (CST)
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV growth

 Do they consider OTT IPTV?

 From: Jaime Solorza
 Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 2:54 PM
 To: Animal Farm
 Subject: [AFMUG] IPTV growth

 According to article 50% in US this year

 Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV growth

[Mike Hammett]

They'd have to for those numbers.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




- Original Message -
From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 16:21:35 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV growth

Do they consider OTT IPTV?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 2:54 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] IPTV growth

According to article 50% in US this year

Jaime Solorza