Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
I agree with this assessment Jon. There are plenty of other products that can get you whatever BW you need (cheaper) with adaptive. If you are looking at AirFiber 5x, you are almost definitely doing that for the Sync of 2 or more links off a tower. That’s the niche of the product as far as I see it. We have 5 links on order and are excited about hanging them From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 12:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question You can't 'stack' channels on top of each other with non-sync products (run the spectrum analysis). When you add sync, you can stack and overlap. If your going to venture into AirFiber, your already past the 'small potatoes' category IMO and you probably need to upgrade a good 2-3 links... Sent from my iPhone On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:36 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.commailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: I think it is more spectrally effiecient to run these radios in adaptive mode and use a smaller channel width than running them in 50/50 and running wider channels! Who the heck has backhauls running at symmetrical speeds anyway? Sync isn't for every application... Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.comhttp://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get out of a dynamic mode. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question 3/4 want it, it looks like! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning non-sync uses. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.commailto:ch...@macenski.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is always the same :) Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.commailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be a PTP650 killer. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405tel:419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110tel:419-617-0110 On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.commailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come back up. And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is. On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the upstream needed to sustain downstream. Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big deal to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a realistic possibility. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.commailto:ch...@macenski.com wrote: Hi, There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could be done if you didn't care about having
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Hrm. It's doing a bit over 10Mbps/1MHz (AF5). Rumored 1024QAM. GPS sync, less than 24W. Better noise immunity than even AirPrism (although it is exceptionally good) in initial testing. Connectorized... So it's only niche is GPS sync? Really? For $399? With as low latency? What am I missing here? -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 03/12/2015 10:15 PM, Paul McCall wrote: I agree with this assessment Jon. There are plenty of other products that can get you whatever BW you need (cheaper) with adaptive. If you are looking at AirFiber 5x, you are almost definitely doing that for the Sync of 2 or more links off a tower. That’s the niche of the product as far as I see it. We have 5 links on order and are excited about hanging them *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jon Langeler *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 12:53 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question You can't 'stack' channels on top of each other with non-sync products (run the spectrum analysis). When you add sync, you can stack and overlap. If your going to venture into AirFiber, your already past the 'small potatoes' category IMO and you probably need to upgrade a good 2-3 links... Sent from my iPhone On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:36 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com mailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: I think it is more spectrally effiecient to run these radios in adaptive mode and use a smaller channel width than running them in 50/50 and running wider channels! Who the heck has backhauls running at symmetrical speeds anyway? Sync isn't for every application... Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get out of a dynamic mode. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question 3/4 want it, it looks like! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning non-sync uses. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com mailto:ch...@macenski.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is always the same :) Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com mailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be a PTP650 killer. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 tel:419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 tel:419-617-0110 On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
If you need the noise immunity, you probably need the sync as well. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 1:41:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question Hrm. It's doing a bit over 10Mbps/1MHz (AF5). Rumored 1024QAM. GPS sync, less than 24W. Better noise immunity than even AirPrism (although it is exceptionally good) in initial testing. Connectorized... So it's only niche is GPS sync? Really? For $399? With as low latency? What am I missing here? -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 03/12/2015 10:15 PM, Paul McCall wrote: I agree with this assessment Jon. There are plenty of other products that can get you whatever BW you need (cheaper) with adaptive. If you are looking at AirFiber 5x, you are almost definitely doing that for the Sync of 2 or more links off a tower. That’s the niche of the product as far as I see it. We have 5 links on order and are excited about hanging them From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 12:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question You can't 'stack' channels on top of each other with non-sync products (run the spectrum analysis). When you add sync, you can stack and overlap. If your going to venture into AirFiber, your already past the 'small potatoes' category IMO and you probably need to upgrade a good 2-3 links... Sent from my iPhone On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:36 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: blockquote I think it is more spectrally effiecient to run these radios in adaptive mode and use a smaller channel width than running them in 50/50 and running wider channels! Who the heck has backhauls running at symmetrical speeds anyway? Sync isn't for every application... Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get out of a dynamic mode. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question 3/4 want it, it looks like! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning non-sync uses. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is always the same :) Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be a PTP650 killer. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come back up. And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is. On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: blockquote We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the upstream needed to sustain downstream. Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
If there's a cheaper product out there that performs better, I sure don't know what it is... the B5lite can technically do more bandwidth for less money I guess, but that's not really comparable due to the antennas. On Mar 13, 2015 1:41 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Hrm. It's doing a bit over 10Mbps/1MHz (AF5). Rumored 1024QAM. GPS sync, less than 24W. Better noise immunity than even AirPrism (although it is exceptionally good) in initial testing. Connectorized... So it's only niche is GPS sync? Really? For $399? With as low latency? What am I missing here? -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 03/12/2015 10:15 PM, Paul McCall wrote: I agree with this assessment Jon. There are plenty of other products that can get you whatever BW you need (cheaper) with adaptive. If you are looking at AirFiber 5x, you are almost definitely doing that for the Sync of 2 or more links off a tower. That’s the niche of the product as far as I see it. We have 5 links on order and are excited about hanging them *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jon Langeler *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 12:53 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question You can't 'stack' channels on top of each other with non-sync products (run the spectrum analysis). When you add sync, you can stack and overlap. If your going to venture into AirFiber, your already past the 'small potatoes' category IMO and you probably need to upgrade a good 2-3 links... Sent from my iPhone On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:36 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: I think it is more spectrally effiecient to run these radios in adaptive mode and use a smaller channel width than running them in 50/50 and running wider channels! Who the heck has backhauls running at symmetrical speeds anyway? Sync isn't for every application... Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get out of a dynamic mode. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question 3/4 want it, it looks like! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning non-sync uses. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is always the same :) Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be a PTP650 killer. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come back up. And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is. On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the upstream needed to sustain downstream. Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would be 5% additional bandwidth
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
and lack of sync. They're all great products. We're really seeing a nice revolution here and it's not all ac. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com To: af af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:37:43 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question If there's a cheaper product out there that performs better, I sure don't know what it is... the B5lite can technically do more bandwidth for less money I guess, but that's not really comparable due to the antennas. On Mar 13, 2015 1:41 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Hrm. It's doing a bit over 10Mbps/1MHz (AF5). Rumored 1024QAM. GPS sync, less than 24W. Better noise immunity than even AirPrism (although it is exceptionally good) in initial testing. Connectorized... So it's only niche is GPS sync? Really? For $399? With as low latency? What am I missing here? -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 03/12/2015 10:15 PM, Paul McCall wrote: blockquote I agree with this assessment Jon. There are plenty of other products that can get you whatever BW you need (cheaper) with adaptive. If you are looking at AirFiber 5x, you are almost definitely doing that for the Sync of 2 or more links off a tower. That’s the niche of the product as far as I see it. We have 5 links on order and are excited about hanging them From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 12:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question You can't 'stack' channels on top of each other with non-sync products (run the spectrum analysis). When you add sync, you can stack and overlap. If your going to venture into AirFiber, your already past the 'small potatoes' category IMO and you probably need to upgrade a good 2-3 links... Sent from my iPhone On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:36 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: blockquote I think it is more spectrally effiecient to run these radios in adaptive mode and use a smaller channel width than running them in 50/50 and running wider channels! Who the heck has backhauls running at symmetrical speeds anyway? Sync isn't for every application... Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get out of a dynamic mode. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question 3/4 want it, it looks like! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning non-sync uses. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is always the same :) Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be a PTP650 killer. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come back up. And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
3/4 want it, it looks like!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning
non-sync uses.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
*From: *Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say
that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not
to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is
always the same :)
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product
would be a PTP650 killer.
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes
down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses
completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't
want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there
are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet
another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger
permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come
back up.
And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber
with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is.
On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the
upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would
be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big
deal to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a
realistic possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It
could be done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced
together (as the framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in
one direction we could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is
there a need for this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to
slave or slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking
adaptive duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support
adaptive duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say
that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not
to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is
always the same :)
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product
would be a PTP650 killer.
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes
down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses
completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't
want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there
are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet
another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger
permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come
back up.
And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber
with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is.
On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the
upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would
be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big
deal to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a
realistic possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could
be done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as
the framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in one direction
we could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is there a need
for this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to
slave or slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking
adaptive duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive
duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Mimosa did it. Obviously they felt it was worth doing. I can't imagine
why we wouldn't want to use the spectrum and get every last bit of bps.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 10:36 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:
Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say
that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not
to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is
always the same :)
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product
would be a PTP650 killer.
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes
down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses
completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't
want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there
are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet
another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger
permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come
back up.
And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber
with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is.
On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the
upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would
be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big
deal to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a
realistic possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It
could be done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced
together (as the framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in
one direction we could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is
there a need for this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to
slave or slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking
adaptive duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support
adaptive duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning non-sync
uses.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say that
we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not to simply
say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is always the same :)
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be
a PTP650 killer.
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
blockquote
Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
blockquote
Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes down,
more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely. So IMO,
50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a
link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down,
traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link to fix perhaps
a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config apply or
reboot makes the radio(s) not come back up.
And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber with
two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is.
On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
blockquote
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the
upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would be 5%
additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big deal to me
unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a realistic
possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:
blockquote
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could be done
if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as the framing
would be changing). I don't know how much more in one direction we could make
this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is there a need for this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
blockquote
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:
blockquote
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave or
slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
blockquote
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
blockquote
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking adaptive duty
cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
blockquote
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive duty
cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
I agree. -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 03/12/2015 07:11 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Mimosa did it. Obviously they felt it was worth doing. I can't imagine why we wouldn't want to use the spectrum and get every last bit of bps. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 10:36 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com mailto:ch...@macenski.com wrote: Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is always the same :) Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com mailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be a PTP650 killer. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 tel:419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 tel:419-617-0110 On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come back up. And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is. On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the upstream needed to sustain downstream. Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big deal to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a realistic possibility. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com mailto:ch...@macenski.com wrote: Hi, There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could be done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as the framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in one direction we could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is there a need for this? Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Will there be? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com mailto:ch...@macenski.com wrote: Hi, No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave or slave to master). Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com mailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: I'm talking half duplex, sorry. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get out
of a dynamic mode.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
3/4 want it, it looks like!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning non-sync
uses.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say that
we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not to simply
say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is always the same :)
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
blockquote
Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be
a PTP650 killer.
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
blockquote
Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
blockquote
Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes down,
more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely. So IMO,
50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a
link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down,
traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link to fix perhaps
a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config apply or
reboot makes the radio(s) not come back up.
And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber with
two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is.
On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
blockquote
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the
upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would be 5%
additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big deal to me
unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a realistic
possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:
blockquote
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could be done
if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as the framing
would be changing). I don't know how much more in one direction we could make
this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is there a need for this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
blockquote
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:
blockquote
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave or
slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
blockquote
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
blockquote
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking adaptive duty
cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
blockquote
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive duty
cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
I think it is more spectrally effiecient to run these radios in adaptive
mode and use a smaller channel width than running them in 50/50 and running
wider channels! Who the heck has backhauls running at symmetrical speeds
anyway?
Sync isn't for every application...
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get
out of a dynamic mode.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
*From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
3/4 want it, it looks like!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning
non-sync uses.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
*From: *Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will
say that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand,
not to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is
always the same :)
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product
would be a PTP650 killer.
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link
goes down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses
completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't
want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there
are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet
another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger
permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come
back up.
And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular
airFiber with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it
is.
On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than
the upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it
would be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a
big deal to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a
realistic possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It
could be done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced
together (as the framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in
one direction we could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is
there a need for this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to
slave or slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking
adaptive duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support
adaptive duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Once you've got two links, you have more efficiency than dynamic.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:31:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
If only every product synced together...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get out
of a dynamic mode.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
3/4 want it, it looks like!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
blockquote
FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning non-sync
uses.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say that
we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not to simply
say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is always the same :)
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
blockquote
Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be
a PTP650 killer.
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
blockquote
Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
blockquote
Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes down,
more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely. So IMO,
50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a
link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down,
traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link to fix perhaps
a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config apply or
reboot makes the radio(s) not come back up.
And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber with
two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is.
On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
blockquote
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the
upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would be 5%
additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big deal to me
unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a realistic
possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:
blockquote
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could be done
if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as the framing
would be changing). I don't know how much more in one direction we could make
this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is there a need for this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
blockquote
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:
blockquote
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave or
slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
blockquote
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
blockquote
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking adaptive duty
cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
If only every product synced together...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get
out of a dynamic mode.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
*From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
3/4 want it, it looks like!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning
non-sync uses.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
*From: *Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will
say that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand,
not to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is
always the same :)
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product
would be a PTP650 killer.
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link
goes down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses
completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't
want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there
are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet
another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger
permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come
back up.
And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular
airFiber with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it
is.
On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than
the upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it
would be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a
big deal to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a
realistic possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It
could be done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced
together (as the framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in
one direction we could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is
there a need for this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to
slave or slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking
adaptive duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support
adaptive duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
You can't 'stack' channels on top of each other with non-sync products (run the spectrum analysis). When you add sync, you can stack and overlap. If your going to venture into AirFiber, your already past the 'small potatoes' category IMO and you probably need to upgrade a good 2-3 links... Sent from my iPhone On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:36 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: I think it is more spectrally effiecient to run these radios in adaptive mode and use a smaller channel width than running them in 50/50 and running wider channels! Who the heck has backhauls running at symmetrical speeds anyway? Sync isn't for every application... Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get out of a dynamic mode. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question 3/4 want it, it looks like! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning non-sync uses. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is always the same :) Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be a PTP650 killer. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come back up. And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is. On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the upstream needed to sustain downstream. Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big deal to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a realistic possibility. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote: Hi, There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could be done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as the framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in one direction we could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is there a need for this? Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Will there be? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote: Hi, No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave or slave to master). Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: I'm talking half duplex, sorry. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
It really depends on the situation... there are certainly going to be cases where an adaptive mode makes sense, but I really expect that we're going to want to be using sync on these more often than not. On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: I think it is more spectrally effiecient to run these radios in adaptive mode and use a smaller channel width than running them in 50/50 and running wider channels! Who the heck has backhauls running at symmetrical speeds anyway? Sync isn't for every application... Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get out of a dynamic mode. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question 3/4 want it, it looks like! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning non-sync uses. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is always the same :) Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be a PTP650 killer. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come back up. And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is. On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the upstream needed to sustain downstream. Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big deal to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a realistic possibility. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote: Hi, There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could be done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as the framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in one direction we could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is there a need for this? Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Will there be? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote: Hi, No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave or slave to master). Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: I'm talking half duplex, sorry. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote: If you're running
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could be
done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as the
framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in one direction we
could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is there a need for
this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave
or slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking adaptive
duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive
duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the
upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would be
5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big deal
to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a realistic
possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could be
done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as the
framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in one direction we
could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is there a need for
this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave
or slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking adaptive
duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive
duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking adaptive
duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive
duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave or
slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking adaptive
duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive duty
cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking adaptive
duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive duty
cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Chuck,
Any plans to do the adaptive at some later point? Or we always going to
have the fixed?
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave
or slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking adaptive
duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive
duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
[AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
I would really like the option of dynamic WITHOUT SYNC. That way the link can
acheive near maximum throughput no matter which way traffic is flowing. I
typically see a 90/10 download to upload ratio and sometimes a main backhaul
might go down and traffic will re-route through a path in the network thats
going backwards then...
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Mar 12, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could be
done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as the
framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in one direction we
could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is there a need for
this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave or
slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking adaptive
duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive
duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be
a PTP650 killer.
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes
down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely.
So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have
to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link
goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link
to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue,
e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come back up.
And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber
with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is.
On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the
upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would be
5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big deal
to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a realistic
possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could be
done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as
the framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in one
direction we could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is
there a need for this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave
or slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking adaptive
duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive
duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25
etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Yup!!!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 8:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product
would be a PTP650 killer.
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes
down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses
completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't
want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there
are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet
another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger
permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come
back up.
And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber
with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is.
On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the
upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would
be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big
deal to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a
realistic possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could
be done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as
the framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in one direction
we could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is there a need
for this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to
slave or slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking
adaptive duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive
duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes
down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses
completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I
don't want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever
options there are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want
to take down yet another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause
a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the
radio(s) not come back up.
And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber
with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is.
On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than
the upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would
be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a
big deal to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just
isn't a realistic possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
mailto:ch...@macenski.com wrote:
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It
could be done if you didn't care about having multiple units
synced together (as the framing would be changing). I don't know
how much more in one direction we could make this and meet DFS
rules for those bands... Is there a need for this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski
ch...@macenski.com mailto:ch...@macenski.com wrote:
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either
master to slave or slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
li...@wavelinc.com mailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/
tel. 419-562-6405 tel:419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110 tel:419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince
part15...@gmail.com mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no
steenking adaptive duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of
AF) support adaptive duty cycle? Or am I locked
down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/
tel. 419-562-6405 tel:419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110 tel:419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes
down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses
completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't
want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there
are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet
another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger
permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come
back up.
And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber
with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is.
On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the
upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would
be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big
deal to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a
realistic possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could
be done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as
the framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in one direction
we could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is there a need
for this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to
slave or slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking
adaptive duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive
duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
