Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
I wonder how these are: http://www.coriant.com/products/documents/DS_8602_Smart_Router_74C0007.pdf On Thursday, July 16, 2015, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Roughly 4k more or less depending on partner level, greed, and juni's need. It doesn't make sense everywhere, but if you add parts up, $2k cabinet, $1k CTM/CMM, $1k switch, etc it can be cheaper (not just simpler). Realistically I'd probably use the non-outdoor version and add to existing cabinets which takes a couple $k off the price. Though, to enable GPS or NAT/VPN features there are additional license/unlock fees. Still not bad for a router that's temp hardened, MPLS-capable, and supported by a major vendor that knows how to do quality assurance, etc On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); wrote: How much are those? On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@tapodi.net'); wrote: E.g. slap a Juniper ACX500-O-PoE on a pole, cable in the backhaul and AP, and you're done. No more cabinet, no more poe/sync injector, stand-alone switch, etc.
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Since you're doing 802.3at, any chance of adding IEEE 1588 support for standardized timing over ethernet? There are a number of switch/router platforms designed for small cell environments that do both and we could greatly simplify our tower builds if we could use them. E.g. slap a Juniper ACX500-O-PoE on a pole, cable in the backhaul and AP, and you're done. No more cabinet, no more poe/sync injector, stand-alone switch, etc. On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Good questions. Both CMM4 and UGPS are supported with 450i. True, the 6-pin port became a RJ-45 port, so the pinout is different. For connecting the CMM4, because the 450i is now powered by 802.3at PoE, you’ll need the 56 VDC power supply and the cable from the CMM4 to the PMP 450i AP has a different pinout. These cable pinouts will be documented in the user guides. PMP 450d is a SM only, so sync is taken from the AP. Matt *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Sullivan *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 3:47 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i It has an AUX port that is Rj-45. No more Rj-11. On 7/15/2015 3:45 PM, Pavel Lyuty wrote: Sync only via CMM ? UGPS and other timing-port sync not supported ? 2015-07-15 17:55 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
I knew this change was coming which is part of the reason why I did some feet dragging on some poe products this year. I haven't seen the new pinout yet, but if a cmm4 can provide sync I'm sure I can arrange something. On Jul 15, 2015 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I feel sorry for Forrest *From:* Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 4:21 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Maybe I am being less than clear, so apologies for that. There are two RJ-45 ports on this product: 1 port is Data/Power (i.e. the main port) 1 port is AUX, which has (or will have) many functions, among them is input/output of the sync pulse (i.e. UGPS) In summary, the radio supports “sync over power” via the CMM4 (using a custom cable pinout) and 56 VDC. It also supports “sync over timing port” via the UGPS (or other devices that perform similar functions) using the AUX port (and custom cable). Does this make sense? Matt *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 4:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Timing on the power port? *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Mangriotis *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:27 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Good questions. Both CMM4 and UGPS are supported with 450i. True, the 6-pin port became a RJ-45 port, so the pinout is different. For connecting the CMM4, because the 450i is now powered by 802.3at PoE, you’ll need the 56 VDC power supply and the cable from the CMM4 to the PMP 450i AP has a different pinout. These cable pinouts will be documented in the user guides. PMP 450d is a SM only, so sync is taken from the AP. Matt *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Sullivan *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 3:47 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i It has an AUX port that is Rj-45. No more Rj-11. On 7/15/2015 3:45 PM, Pavel Lyuty wrote: Sync only via CMM ? UGPS and other timing-port sync not supported ? 2015-07-15 17:55 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Matt, YES! PLEASE! Lots of interest in this idea! Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Manager Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net From: Matt Mangriotis Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i If I were to say that there would be a 12” square flat panel (think about the PMP 450i integrated SM tilted at a 45 degree) for 3.65 GHz available, would there be strong interest in this from this crowd? It would be somewhat more expensive, but would have an integrated 19 dBi flat panel antenna, and the PMP 450i rear housing (but contain the existing 450 SM PCB). Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i We put up a 3.65 connectorized SM with a tan Mars 15x15 panel oriented like a diamond, on some customer’s upscale house that was the exact same color. He was very happy. I just hope he doesn’t tell all his neighbors and they want it too, because it was really too expensive by the time you add up the premium for 3.65 + the premium for connectorized SM + a fairly expensive panel antenna. Also the pigtails just reached, but Cambium is working on that. So an integrated panel would be nice. Although the 3.65 bare SMs work amazingly well at 1-2 miles. From: George Skorup Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i The throughput issues with both bridge mode and especially NAT mode was resolved with 13.2. I think Aaron posted some screenshots while they were working on it. If your linktest gets you say 60x20Mbps, you can get very close to that in bridge mode, NAT mode is slightly less, but it's not as bad as it used to be (was about 10Mbps!). We will probably move to the 450d SM for 5GHz and do away with reflectors and Stingers (sorry Chuck). We are also not doing any more 2.4GHz. We have a single sector up with about 25 SMs on it and it works fine for the most part, but the noise is horrible. And all I want for 3GHz is an integrated panel SM. On 7/15/2015 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Yeah they max out way before the AP does...30meg might be rightbut we're not usually selling more than that to one customer. There's room in the market for a higher end SM for sure. On 7/15/2015 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher peak Tx power also brings about higher Tx power at max modulation. Tx power at lowest modulation doesn't mean much to me. Weren't there complains that the 450 SMs were running out of steam at like 30 megabit? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:13:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i I can also see why you wouldn't do it. 450d can max out the (FCC) legal EIRP with the available tx power. The higher pps, faster processor, etc are features more useful for an AP. Maybe they keep the cost down a little by NOT doing more with that one. Or phrased another way, maybe 450di would be the ideal CPE except nobody would buy it because the 450d was cheaper. just speculation. On 7/15/2015 10:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: *nods* The press release prompted the question. It seems like a 450di would be the ideal 450 CPE. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com -- From: Matt Mangriotis mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:55:06 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
I feel like this video all over again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwLEwfitGkM (Hitler on Canopy) Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:51 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Why? I have no doubt he can make a 450i SyncInjector out of his gigabit version. Granted, it's a change to 48/56VDC and port pinout, but he already did that with the 320/430 SyncInjector anyway, although that wasn't gigabit. The other thing he's talked about, a managed device that puts out power and a sync pulse to feed the input of your GigE-POE-APC cards would be a pretty badass combo. On 7/15/2015 6:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I feel sorry for Forrest *From:* Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 4:21 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Maybe I am being less than clear, so apologies for that. There are two RJ-45 ports on this product: 1 port is Data/Power (i.e. the main port) 1 port is AUX, which has (or will have) many functions, among them is input/output of the sync pulse (i.e. UGPS) In summary, the radio supports “sync over power” via the CMM4 (using a custom cable pinout) and 56 VDC. It also supports “sync over timing port” via the UGPS (or other devices that perform similar functions) using the AUX port (and custom cable). Does this make sense? Matt *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 4:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Timing on the power port? *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Mangriotis *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:27 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Good questions. Both CMM4 and UGPS are supported with 450i. True, the 6-pin port became a RJ-45 port, so the pinout is different. For connecting the CMM4, because the 450i is now powered by 802.3at PoE, you’ll need the 56 VDC power supply and the cable from the CMM4 to the PMP 450i AP has a different pinout. These cable pinouts will be documented in the user guides. PMP 450d is a SM only, so sync is taken from the AP. Matt *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Sullivan *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 3:47 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i It has an AUX port that is Rj-45. No more Rj-11. On 7/15/2015 3:45 PM, Pavel Lyuty wrote: Sync only via CMM ? UGPS and other timing-port sync not supported ? 2015-07-15 17:55 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Yes, there is a chance! We are developing the implementation of IEEE 1588v2 in this system, but I don’t have a date, nor a complete understanding of how it will be implemented. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Auer Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 12:33 PM To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Since you're doing 802.3at, any chance of adding IEEE 1588 support for standardized timing over ethernet? There are a number of switch/router platforms designed for small cell environments that do both and we could greatly simplify our tower builds if we could use them. E.g. slap a Juniper ACX500-O-PoE on a pole, cable in the backhaul and AP, and you're done. No more cabinet, no more poe/sync injector, stand-alone switch, etc. On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Good questions. Both CMM4 and UGPS are supported with 450i. True, the 6-pin port became a RJ-45 port, so the pinout is different. For connecting the CMM4, because the 450i is now powered by 802.3at PoE, you’ll need the 56 VDC power supply and the cable from the CMM4 to the PMP 450i AP has a different pinout. These cable pinouts will be documented in the user guides. PMP 450d is a SM only, so sync is taken from the AP. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i It has an AUX port that is Rj-45. No more Rj-11. On 7/15/2015 3:45 PM, Pavel Lyuty wrote: Sync only via CMM ? UGPS and other timing-port sync not supported ? 2015-07-15 17:55 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
We are not planning this anytime soon. Interoperability between PMP 450 and PMP 450i does not come until R14.1, which is a couple months away. Also, the Lite AP, which is only available on PMP 450 provides a lower cost option to get into the PMP 450 line. Eventually, we will phase out the 5 GHz PMP 450, but not for some time, and everyone will get plenty of notice. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Pavel Lyuty Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 1:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Matt, cambium plan EOL PMP450 AP Full ? 2015-07-15 21:39 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com: There is no Lite AP for PMP 450i. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:03 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Key question, is there a 'lite' version of these new AP's? What does it cost? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Matt, cambium plan EOL PMP450 AP Full ? 2015-07-15 21:39 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com: There is no Lite AP for PMP 450i. Matt *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Key question, is there a 'lite' version of these new AP's? What does it cost? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
You want to position the PMP 450i only for the corporate market ? or there will be additional models more affordable for home users ? 2015-07-16 23:12 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com: We are not planning this anytime soon. Interoperability between PMP 450 and PMP 450i does not come until R14.1, which is a couple months away. Also, the Lite AP, which is only available on PMP 450 provides a lower cost option to get into the PMP 450 line. Eventually, we will phase out the 5 GHz PMP 450, but not for some time, and everyone will get plenty of notice. Matt *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Pavel Lyuty *Sent:* Thursday, July 16, 2015 1:58 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Matt, cambium plan EOL PMP450 AP Full ? 2015-07-15 21:39 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com: There is no Lite AP for PMP 450i. Matt *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Key question, is there a 'lite' version of these new AP's? What does it cost? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Roughly 4k more or less depending on partner level, greed, and juni's need. It doesn't make sense everywhere, but if you add parts up, $2k cabinet, $1k CTM/CMM, $1k switch, etc it can be cheaper (not just simpler). Realistically I'd probably use the non-outdoor version and add to existing cabinets which takes a couple $k off the price. Though, to enable GPS or NAT/VPN features there are additional license/unlock fees. Still not bad for a router that's temp hardened, MPLS-capable, and supported by a major vendor that knows how to do quality assurance, etc On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: How much are those? On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: E.g. slap a Juniper ACX500-O-PoE on a pole, cable in the backhaul and AP, and you're done. No more cabinet, no more poe/sync injector, stand-alone switch, etc.
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
How much are those? On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: E.g. slap a Juniper ACX500-O-PoE on a pole, cable in the backhaul and AP, and you're done. No more cabinet, no more poe/sync injector, stand-alone switch, etc.
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Wait.. I thought the 450 and 450i would be the same pricing? On 7/16/2015 3:25 PM, Pavel Lyuty wrote: You want to position the PMP 450i only for the corporate market ? or there will be additional models more affordable for home users ? 2015-07-16 23:12 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com: We are not planning this anytime soon. Interoperability between PMP 450 and PMP 450i does not come until R14.1, which is a couple months away. Also, the Lite AP, which is only available on PMP 450 provides a lower cost option to get into the PMP 450 line. Eventually, we will phase out the 5 GHz PMP 450, but not for some time, and everyone will get plenty of notice. Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Pavel Lyuty *Sent:* Thursday, July 16, 2015 1:58 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Matt, cambium plan EOL PMP450 AP Full ? 2015-07-15 21:39 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com: There is no Lite AP for PMP 450i. Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Key question, is there a 'lite' version of these new AP's? What does it cost? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
The AUX port DOES support alignment tone, but it’s an RJ-45 connector now, so the cable or adapter to connect the headset is a bit different. That spec sheet is a bit of a typo, and a new one will be posted… although it’s worth noting that the PTP 450i will go a LONG way, with high gain antennas, increased transmit power and better Rx sensitivity! Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Does the Multifunction AUX port mean that the alignment tone is gone? The PTP 450i says the maximum deployment range is Up to 58 to 400 miles minimum, depending on configuration Is that a typo? On 7/15/2015 12:03 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote: Production ramp up is occurring now, but it might take some time. I would expect deliveries to start mid-August. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 11:49 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Thanks Matt. When can we expect our vendors to have stock of these? Thanks Adam From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:39 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i The download site is busted (again). Here are the spec sheets. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 11:36 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Yep broken for me also. It is such crap having to fill in a form to read a spec sheet. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve D Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:25 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i And I can't read the spec's because the captcha is broken (or am I more blind than I thought I was getting?) Please get rid of that crap and put the damn spec sheets in section I can log into with the support documents. -Steve D On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [Image removed by sender.]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[Image removed by sender.]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[Image removed by sender.]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[Image removed by sender.]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [Image removed by sender.]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[Image removed by sender.]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[Image removed by sender.]https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
We put up a 3.65 connectorized SM with a tan Mars 15x15 panel oriented like a diamond, on some customer’s upscale house that was the exact same color. He was very happy. I just hope he doesn’t tell all his neighbors and they want it too, because it was really too expensive by the time you add up the premium for 3.65 + the premium for connectorized SM + a fairly expensive panel antenna. Also the pigtails just reached, but Cambium is working on that. So an integrated panel would be nice. Although the 3.65 bare SMs work amazingly well at 1-2 miles. From: George Skorup Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i The throughput issues with both bridge mode and especially NAT mode was resolved with 13.2. I think Aaron posted some screenshots while they were working on it. If your linktest gets you say 60x20Mbps, you can get very close to that in bridge mode, NAT mode is slightly less, but it's not as bad as it used to be (was about 10Mbps!). We will probably move to the 450d SM for 5GHz and do away with reflectors and Stingers (sorry Chuck). We are also not doing any more 2.4GHz. We have a single sector up with about 25 SMs on it and it works fine for the most part, but the noise is horrible. And all I want for 3GHz is an integrated panel SM. On 7/15/2015 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Yeah they max out way before the AP does...30meg might be rightbut we're not usually selling more than that to one customer. There's room in the market for a higher end SM for sure. On 7/15/2015 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher peak Tx power also brings about higher Tx power at max modulation. Tx power at lowest modulation doesn't mean much to me. Weren't there complains that the 450 SMs were running out of steam at like 30 megabit? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:13:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i I can also see why you wouldn't do it. 450d can max out the (FCC) legal EIRP with the available tx power. The higher pps, faster processor, etc are features more useful for an AP. Maybe they keep the cost down a little by NOT doing more with that one. Or phrased another way, maybe 450di would be the ideal CPE except nobody would buy it because the 450d was cheaper. just speculation. On 7/15/2015 10:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: *nods* The press release prompted the question. It seems like a 450di would be the ideal 450 CPE. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com -- From: Matt Mangriotis mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:55:06 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
OK, I should have stopped reading at “450 Platform Key Features”. From: Matt Mangriotis Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 11:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Ken – The press release says that the PMP 450 platform supports 3.65 GHz… is that what you’re referring to? The PMP 450i release is 4900-5925 MHz (5 GHz) only. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Press release says it includes 3.65 GHz, I wonder what is the FCC approval status on that? Given that band is kind of in regulatory limbo now until the new rules and spectrum access database get worked out. From: Matt Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Are these coming for the 2.4 and 3.5 GHZ bands? 900 MHZ? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Thanks Matt. When can we expect our vendors to have stock of these? Thanks Adam From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i The download site is busted (again). Here are the spec sheets. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 11:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Yep broken for me also. It is such crap having to fill in a form to read a spec sheet. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve D Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:25 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i And I can't read the spec's because the captcha is broken (or am I more blind than I thought I was getting?) Please get rid of that crap and put the damn spec sheets in section I can log into with the support documents. -Steve D On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL Image removed by sender. https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb Image removed by sender. https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions Image removed by sender. https://twitter.com/ICSIL Image removed by sender. Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix Image removed by sender. https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange Image removed by sender. https://twitter.com/mdwestix Image removed by sender.
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Does the Multifunction AUX port mean that the alignment tone is gone? The PTP 450i says the maximum deployment range is Up to 58 to 400 miles minimum, depending on configuration Is that a typo? On 7/15/2015 12:03 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote: Production ramp up is occurring now, but it might take some time. I would expect deliveries to start mid-August. Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 11:49 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Thanks Matt. When can we expect our vendors to have stock of these? Thanks Adam *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Mangriotis *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:39 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i The download site is busted (again). Here are the spec sheets. Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 11:36 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Yep broken for me also. It is such crap having to fill in a form to read a spec sheet. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve D *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:25 AM *To:* af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i And I can't read the spec's because the captcha is broken (or am I more blind than I thought I was getting?) Please get rid of that crap and put the damn spec sheets in section I can log into with the support documents. -Steve D On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Image removed by sender. https://www.facebook.com/ICSILImage removed by sender. https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbImage removed by sender. https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionsImage removed by sender. https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com Image removed by sender. https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixImage removed by sender. https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangeImage removed by sender. https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
If I were to say that there would be a 12” square flat panel (think about the PMP 450i integrated SM tilted at a 45 degree) for 3.65 GHz available, would there be strong interest in this from this crowd? It would be somewhat more expensive, but would have an integrated 19 dBi flat panel antenna, and the PMP 450i rear housing (but contain the existing 450 SM PCB). Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i We put up a 3.65 connectorized SM with a tan Mars 15x15 panel oriented like a diamond, on some customer’s upscale house that was the exact same color. He was very happy. I just hope he doesn’t tell all his neighbors and they want it too, because it was really too expensive by the time you add up the premium for 3.65 + the premium for connectorized SM + a fairly expensive panel antenna. Also the pigtails just reached, but Cambium is working on that. So an integrated panel would be nice. Although the 3.65 bare SMs work amazingly well at 1-2 miles. From: George Skorupmailto:geo...@cbcast.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:46 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i The throughput issues with both bridge mode and especially NAT mode was resolved with 13.2. I think Aaron posted some screenshots while they were working on it. If your linktest gets you say 60x20Mbps, you can get very close to that in bridge mode, NAT mode is slightly less, but it's not as bad as it used to be (was about 10Mbps!). We will probably move to the 450d SM for 5GHz and do away with reflectors and Stingers (sorry Chuck). We are also not doing any more 2.4GHz. We have a single sector up with about 25 SMs on it and it works fine for the most part, but the noise is horrible. And all I want for 3GHz is an integrated panel SM. On 7/15/2015 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Yeah they max out way before the AP does...30meg might be rightbut we're not usually selling more than that to one customer. There's room in the market for a higher end SM for sure. On 7/15/2015 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher peak Tx power also brings about higher Tx power at max modulation. Tx power at lowest modulation doesn't mean much to me. Weren't there complains that the 450 SMs were running out of steam at like 30 megabit? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:13:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i I can also see why you wouldn't do it. 450d can max out the (FCC) legal EIRP with the available tx power. The higher pps, faster processor, etc are features more useful for an AP. Maybe they keep the cost down a little by NOT doing more with that one. Or phrased another way, maybe 450di would be the ideal CPE except nobody would buy it because the 450d was cheaper. just speculation. On 7/15/2015 10:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: *nods* The press release prompted the question. It seems like a 450di would be the ideal 450 CPE. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Matt Mangriotis mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:55:06 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
There is no Lite AP for PMP 450i. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Key question, is there a 'lite' version of these new AP's? What does it cost? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
and the PoE injector is an ice cream cone? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:44:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i If I were to say that there would be a 12” square flat panel (think about the PMP 450i integrated SM tilted at a 45 degree) for 3.65 GHz available, would there be strong interest in this from this crowd? It would be somewhat more expensive, but would have an integrated 19 dBi flat panel antenna, and the PMP 450i rear housing (but contain the existing 450 SM PCB). Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i We put up a 3.65 connectorized SM with a tan Mars 15x15 panel oriented like a diamond, on some customer’s upscale house that was the exact same color. He was very happy. I just hope he doesn’t tell all his neighbors and they want it too, because it was really too expensive by the time you add up the premium for 3.65 + the premium for connectorized SM + a fairly expensive panel antenna. Also the pigtails just reached, but Cambium is working on that. So an integrated panel would be nice. Although the 3.65 bare SMs work amazingly well at 1-2 miles. From: George Skorup Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i The throughput issues with both bridge mode and especially NAT mode was resolved with 13.2. I think Aaron posted some screenshots while they were working on it. If your linktest gets you say 60x20Mbps, you can get very close to that in bridge mode, NAT mode is slightly less, but it's not as bad as it used to be (was about 10Mbps!). We will probably move to the 450d SM for 5GHz and do away with reflectors and Stingers (sorry Chuck). We are also not doing any more 2.4GHz. We have a single sector up with about 25 SMs on it and it works fine for the most part, but the noise is horrible. And all I want for 3GHz is an integrated panel SM. On 7/15/2015 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Yeah they max out way before the AP does...30meg might be rightbut we're not usually selling more than that to one customer. There's room in the market for a higher end SM for sure. On 7/15/2015 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: blockquote Higher peak Tx power also brings about higher Tx power at max modulation. Tx power at lowest modulation doesn't mean much to me. Weren't there complains that the 450 SMs were running out of steam at like 30 megabit? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:13:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i I can also see why you wouldn't do it. 450d can max out the (FCC) legal EIRP with the available tx power. The higher pps, faster processor, etc are features more useful for an AP. Maybe they keep the cost down a little by NOT doing more with that one. Or phrased another way, maybe 450di would be the ideal CPE except nobody would buy it because the 450d was cheaper. just speculation. On 7/15/2015 10:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: blockquote *nods* The press release prompted the question. It seems like a 450di would be the ideal 450 CPE. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Matt Mangriotis mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:55:06 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Depends on how you see cost. How fast you want ROI. On 07/15/2015 01:59 PM, Brian Sullivan wrote: That would help our Self-Install customers a lot. If it ends up to be much more expensive than SM + $60 reflector dish, it may not be desirable. Cost is a big motivator. On 7/15/2015 1:44 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote: If I were to say that there would be a 12” square flat panel (think about the PMP 450i integrated SM tilted at a 45 degree) for 3.65 GHz available, would there be strong interest in this from this crowd? It would be somewhat more expensive, but would have an integrated 19 dBi flat panel antenna, and the PMP 450i rear housing (but contain the existing 450 SM PCB). Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:41 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i We put up a 3.65 connectorized SM with a tan Mars 15x15 panel oriented like a diamond, on some customer’s upscale house that was the exact same color. He was very happy. I just hope he doesn’t tell all his neighbors and they want it too, because it was really too expensive by the time you add up the premium for 3.65 + the premium for connectorized SM + a fairly expensive panel antenna. Also the pigtails just reached, but Cambium is working on that. So an integrated panel would be nice. Although the 3.65 bare SMs work amazingly well at 1-2 miles. *From:*George Skorup mailto:geo...@cbcast.com *Sent:*Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:46 PM *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i The throughput issues with both bridge mode and especially NAT mode was resolved with 13.2. I think Aaron posted some screenshots while they were working on it. If your linktest gets you say 60x20Mbps, you can get very close to that in bridge mode, NAT mode is slightly less, but it's not as bad as it used to be (was about 10Mbps!). We will probably move to the 450d SM for 5GHz and do away with reflectors and Stingers (sorry Chuck). We are also not doing any more 2.4GHz. We have a single sector up with about 25 SMs on it and it works fine for the most part, but the noise is horrible. And all I want for 3GHz is an integrated panel SM. On 7/15/2015 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Yeah they max out way before the AP does...30meg might be rightbut we're not usually selling more than that to one customer. There's room in the market for a higher end SM for sure. On 7/15/2015 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher peak Tx power also brings about higher Tx power at max modulation. Tx power at lowest modulation doesn't mean much to me. Weren't there complains that the 450 SMs were running out of steam at like 30 megabit? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix *From: *Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:13:04 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i I can also see why you wouldn't do it. 450d can max out the (FCC) legal EIRP with the available tx power. The higher pps, faster processor, etc are features more useful for an AP. Maybe they keep the cost down a little by NOT doing more with that one. Or phrased another way, maybe 450di would be the ideal CPE except nobody would buy it because the 450d was cheaper. just speculation. On 7/15/2015 10:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: *nods* The press release prompted the question. It seems like a 450di would be the ideal 450 CPE. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix *From: *Matt Mangriotis mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com *To: *af
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Self-install always gives me the heebie-jeebies, maybe it’s just a matter of spelling out we don’t come out for free and fix problems that were caused by your install job, and we don’t let your poor signal bog down the whole AP. Anyway, I’m seeing more and more of these metal roofs on buildings. Not just pole buildings, but houses, both new construction and re-roofs. So being able to mount to fascia boards, gable ends, etc. is getting more important. I’m a lot more comfortable doing that with a CLIP or integrated panel than with a reflector dish, given the winds out here in windfarm land. And 12x12 is a nice size. We don’t really use 450 in NLOS situations, but I know those of you who do would like a mid-gain option, the thinking being that a bare SM doesn’t have enough oomph to punch through trees, but a dish focuses the beam too much to capture signal off the leaves. From: Brian Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i That would help our Self-Install customers a lot. If it ends up to be much more expensive than SM + $60 reflector dish, it may not be desirable. Cost is a big motivator. On 7/15/2015 1:44 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote: If I were to say that there would be a 12” square flat panel (think about the PMP 450i integrated SM tilted at a 45 degree) for 3.65 GHz available, would there be strong interest in this from this crowd? It would be somewhat more expensive, but would have an integrated 19 dBi flat panel antenna, and the PMP 450i rear housing (but contain the existing 450 SM PCB). Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i We put up a 3.65 connectorized SM with a tan Mars 15x15 panel oriented like a diamond, on some customer’s upscale house that was the exact same color. He was very happy. I just hope he doesn’t tell all his neighbors and they want it too, because it was really too expensive by the time you add up the premium for 3.65 + the premium for connectorized SM + a fairly expensive panel antenna. Also the pigtails just reached, but Cambium is working on that. So an integrated panel would be nice. Although the 3.65 bare SMs work amazingly well at 1-2 miles. From: George Skorup Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i The throughput issues with both bridge mode and especially NAT mode was resolved with 13.2. I think Aaron posted some screenshots while they were working on it. If your linktest gets you say 60x20Mbps, you can get very close to that in bridge mode, NAT mode is slightly less, but it's not as bad as it used to be (was about 10Mbps!). We will probably move to the 450d SM for 5GHz and do away with reflectors and Stingers (sorry Chuck). We are also not doing any more 2.4GHz. We have a single sector up with about 25 SMs on it and it works fine for the most part, but the noise is horrible. And all I want for 3GHz is an integrated panel SM. On 7/15/2015 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Yeah they max out way before the AP does...30meg might be rightbut we're not usually selling more than that to one customer. There's room in the market for a higher end SM for sure. On 7/15/2015 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher peak Tx power also brings about higher Tx power at max modulation. Tx power at lowest modulation doesn't mean much to me. Weren't there complains that the 450 SMs were running out of steam at like 30 megabit? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com -- From: Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:13:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i I can also see why you wouldn't do it. 450d can max out the (FCC) legal EIRP with the available tx power. The higher pps, faster processor, etc are features more useful for an AP. Maybe they keep the cost down a little by NOT doing more with that one. Or phrased another way, maybe 450di would be the ideal CPE except nobody would buy it because the 450d was cheaper. just speculation. On 7/15/2015 10:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: *nods* The press release prompted the question. It seems like a 450di would be the ideal 450 CPE. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Matt Mangriotis
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
You mean you want to see some test results where in-band, but off channel noise hurts a competitor, but doesn't hurt the 450i? So would I. On 7/15/2015 3:32 PM, Peter Kranz wrote: This sounds good.. but you guys should show us the numbers on both claims.. Jideally PMP450 vs PMP450i vs EPMP and for extra credit RocketM5-AC and M5-AC-Lite. *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Mangriotis *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:24 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i We’re employing what we’re calling Dynamic Interference Filtering in this platform… this is actually circuitry that “wraps around” the selected operating channel, effectively isolation noise from all other frequencies. Once you change channels, this filter moves with it. Because this is an ultrawide band (supporting 4900-5925 MHz), we think this filtering will really help mitigate “off channel” but “in band” noise. Because this product utilized a newer generation FPGA (actually a SoC), we have much more processing power available. At release, we’re over three times more PPS than the PMP 450, and there’s room to grow. Headline throughput is the same as PMP 450 today, but you will see differences (improvements) with smaller packet traffic, when NAT is on, etc. We will also have improvements to headline throughput coming in future releases. Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter Kranz *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:55 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Would like to see more information about the 450i interference mitigation advances over the 450.. and PPS/Throughput improvements over the 450. *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
I've done it once and it's worked out great. Maybe I'll keep it at once. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:32:44 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Same here on self install. I tried it 4 times that I recall. One did everything right, one did everything wrong and needed lots of help, one did everything ok except he didn't plug in the PoE correctly (and was a major ass on the phone about it not working, and didn't have the decency to show any shame when the mistake was pointed out). All of them except one needed enough phone support time that I could have gone and done it myself. Most of the time I think I would rather do my own install for free than rely on the customer to do it. My experience is not a good sample size.but even if all your customers are geniuses, that doesn't mean they know what good practices are for cabling or antenna placement. On 7/15/2015 3:17 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Self-install always gives me the heebie-jeebies, maybe it’s just a matter of spelling out we don’t come out for free and fix problems that were caused by your install job, and we don’t let your poor signal bog down the whole AP. Anyway, I’m seeing more and more of these metal roofs on buildings. Not just pole buildings, but houses, both new construction and re-roofs. So being able to mount to fascia boards, gable ends, etc. is getting more important. I’m a lot more comfortable doing that with a CLIP or integrated panel than with a reflector dish, given the winds out here in windfarm land. And 12x12 is a nice size. We don’t really use 450 in NLOS situations, but I know those of you who do would like a mid-gain option, the thinking being that a bare SM doesn’t have enough oomph to punch through trees, but a dish focuses the beam too much to capture signal off the leaves. From: Brian Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i That would help our Self-Install customers a lot. If it ends up to be much more expensive than SM + $60 reflector dish, it may not be desirable. Cost is a big motivator. On 7/15/2015 1:44 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote: blockquote If I were to say that there would be a 12” square flat panel (think about the PMP 450i integrated SM tilted at a 45 degree) for 3.65 GHz available, would there be strong interest in this from this crowd? It would be somewhat more expensive, but would have an integrated 19 dBi flat panel antenna, and the PMP 450i rear housing (but contain the existing 450 SM PCB). Matt From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i We put up a 3.65 connectorized SM with a tan Mars 15x15 panel oriented like a diamond, on some customer’s upscale house that was the exact same color. He was very happy. I just hope he doesn’t tell all his neighbors and they want it too, because it was really too expensive by the time you add up the premium for 3.65 + the premium for connectorized SM + a fairly expensive panel antenna. Also the pigtails just reached, but Cambium is working on that. So an integrated panel would be nice. Although the 3.65 bare SMs work amazingly well at 1-2 miles. From: George Skorup Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i The throughput issues with both bridge mode and especially NAT mode was resolved with 13.2. I think Aaron posted some screenshots while they were working on it. If your linktest gets you say 60x20Mbps, you can get very close to that in bridge mode, NAT mode is slightly less, but it's not as bad as it used to be (was about 10Mbps!). We will probably move to the 450d SM for 5GHz and do away with reflectors and Stingers (sorry Chuck). We are also not doing any more 2.4GHz. We have a single sector up with about 25 SMs on it and it works fine for the most part, but the noise is horrible. And all I want for 3GHz is an integrated panel SM. On 7/15/2015 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: blockquote Yeah they max out way before the AP does...30meg might be rightbut we're not usually selling more than that to one customer. There's room in the market for a higher end SM for sure. On 7/15/2015 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: blockquote Higher peak Tx power also brings about higher Tx power at max modulation. Tx power at lowest modulation doesn't mean much to me. Weren't there complains that the 450 SMs were running out of steam at like 30 megabit? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Would like to see more information about the 450i interference mitigation advances over the 450.. and PPS/Throughput improvements over the 450. Peter Kranz http://www.unwiredltd.com/ www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
The throughput issues with both bridge mode and especially NAT mode was resolved with 13.2. I think Aaron posted some screenshots while they were working on it. If your linktest gets you say 60x20Mbps, you can get very close to that in bridge mode, NAT mode is slightly less, but it's not as bad as it used to be (was about 10Mbps!). We will probably move to the 450d SM for 5GHz and do away with reflectors and Stingers (sorry Chuck). We are also not doing any more 2.4GHz. We have a single sector up with about 25 SMs on it and it works fine for the most part, but the noise is horrible. And all I want for 3GHz is an integrated panel SM. I am guessing the 450d will be priced quite a bit more then an SM with $40 - $50 reflector dish? These new products might be great but pricing and ROI are still an issue. It could all be obsolete in few years after we deploy if the iCLEC builds out fiber. Fiber just does not go obsolete after its buried even if its very expensive to put in. I just cannot see pushing ROI out very far now days with wireless. Might be time to bury fiber and invest in something future proof.
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Same here on self install. I tried it 4 times that I recall. One did everything right, one did everything wrong and needed lots of help, one did everything ok except he didn't plug in the PoE correctly (and was a major ass on the phone about it not working, and didn't have the decency to show any shame when the mistake was pointed out). All of them except one needed enough phone support time that I could have gone and done it myself. Most of the time I think I would rather do my own install for free than rely on the customer to do it. My experience is not a good sample size.but even if all your customers are geniuses, that doesn't mean they know what good practices are for cabling or antenna placement. On 7/15/2015 3:17 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Self-install always gives me the heebie-jeebies, maybe it’s just a matter of spelling out we don’t come out for free and fix problems that were caused by your install job, and we don’t let your poor signal bog down the whole AP. Anyway, I’m seeing more and more of these metal roofs on buildings. Not just pole buildings, but houses, both new construction and re-roofs. So being able to mount to fascia boards, gable ends, etc. is getting more important. I’m a lot more comfortable doing that with a CLIP or integrated panel than with a reflector dish, given the winds out here in windfarm land. And 12x12 is a nice size. We don’t really use 450 in NLOS situations, but I know those of you who do would like a mid-gain option, the thinking being that a bare SM doesn’t have enough oomph to punch through trees, but a dish focuses the beam too much to capture signal off the leaves. *From:* Brian Sullivan mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:59 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i That would help our Self-Install customers a lot. If it ends up to be much more expensive than SM + $60 reflector dish, it may not be desirable. Cost is a big motivator. On 7/15/2015 1:44 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote: If I were to say that there would be a 12” square flat panel (think about the PMP 450i integrated SM tilted at a 45 degree) for 3.65 GHz available, would there be strong interest in this from this crowd? It would be somewhat more expensive, but would have an integrated 19 dBi flat panel antenna, and the PMP 450i rear housing (but contain the existing 450 SM PCB). Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:41 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i We put up a 3.65 connectorized SM with a tan Mars 15x15 panel oriented like a diamond, on some customer’s upscale house that was the exact same color. He was very happy. I just hope he doesn’t tell all his neighbors and they want it too, because it was really too expensive by the time you add up the premium for 3.65 + the premium for connectorized SM + a fairly expensive panel antenna. Also the pigtails just reached, but Cambium is working on that. So an integrated panel would be nice. Although the 3.65 bare SMs work amazingly well at 1-2 miles. *From:*George Skorup mailto:geo...@cbcast.com *Sent:*Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:46 PM *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i The throughput issues with both bridge mode and especially NAT mode was resolved with 13.2. I think Aaron posted some screenshots while they were working on it. If your linktest gets you say 60x20Mbps, you can get very close to that in bridge mode, NAT mode is slightly less, but it's not as bad as it used to be (was about 10Mbps!). We will probably move to the 450d SM for 5GHz and do away with reflectors and Stingers (sorry Chuck). We are also not doing any more 2.4GHz. We have a single sector up with about 25 SMs on it and it works fine for the most part, but the noise is horrible. And all I want for 3GHz is an integrated panel SM. On 7/15/2015 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Yeah they max out way before the AP does...30meg might be rightbut we're not usually selling more than that to one customer. There's room in the market for a higher end SM for sure. On 7/15/2015 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher peak Tx power also brings about higher Tx power at max modulation. Tx power at lowest modulation doesn't mean much to me. Weren't there complains that the 450 SMs were running out of steam at like 30 megabit? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Yes, but I would go with a more traditional case and panel approach. Our customer don't really care about industrial design. Price has to make sense. Maybe have the Epmp department help with that one.. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: If I were to say that there would be a 12” square flat panel (think about the PMP 450i integrated SM tilted at a 45 degree) for 3.65 GHz available, would there be strong interest in this from this crowd? It would be somewhat more expensive, but would have an integrated 19 dBi flat panel antenna, and the PMP 450i rear housing (but contain the existing 450 SM PCB). Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i We put up a 3.65 connectorized SM with a tan Mars 15x15 panel oriented like a diamond, on some customer’s upscale house that was the exact same color. He was very happy. I just hope he doesn’t tell all his neighbors and they want it too, because it was really too expensive by the time you add up the premium for 3.65 + the premium for connectorized SM + a fairly expensive panel antenna. Also the pigtails just reached, but Cambium is working on that. So an integrated panel would be nice. Although the 3.65 bare SMs work amazingly well at 1-2 miles. From: George Skorup Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i The throughput issues with both bridge mode and especially NAT mode was resolved with 13.2. I think Aaron posted some screenshots while they were working on it. If your linktest gets you say 60x20Mbps, you can get very close to that in bridge mode, NAT mode is slightly less, but it's not as bad as it used to be (was about 10Mbps!). We will probably move to the 450d SM for 5GHz and do away with reflectors and Stingers (sorry Chuck). We are also not doing any more 2.4GHz. We have a single sector up with about 25 SMs on it and it works fine for the most part, but the noise is horrible. And all I want for 3GHz is an integrated panel SM. On 7/15/2015 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Yeah they max out way before the AP does...30meg might be rightbut we're not usually selling more than that to one customer. There's room in the market for a higher end SM for sure. On 7/15/2015 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher peak Tx power also brings about higher Tx power at max modulation. Tx power at lowest modulation doesn't mean much to me. Weren't there complains that the 450 SMs were running out of steam at like 30 megabit? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:13:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i I can also see why you wouldn't do it. 450d can max out the (FCC) legal EIRP with the available tx power. The higher pps, faster processor, etc are features more useful for an AP. Maybe they keep the cost down a little by NOT doing more with that one. Or phrased another way, maybe 450di would be the ideal CPE except nobody would buy it because the 450d was cheaper. just speculation. On 7/15/2015 10:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: *nods* The press release prompted the question. It seems like a 450di would be the ideal 450 CPE. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Matt Mangriotis mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:55:06 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
This sounds good.. but you guys should show us the numbers on both claims.. :) ideally PMP450 vs PMP450i vs EPMP and for extra credit RocketM5-AC and M5-AC-Lite. Peter Kranz http://www.unwiredltd.com/ www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com pkr...@unwiredltd.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i We’re employing what we’re calling Dynamic Interference Filtering in this platform… this is actually circuitry that “wraps around” the selected operating channel, effectively isolation noise from all other frequencies. Once you change channels, this filter moves with it. Because this is an ultrawide band (supporting 4900-5925 MHz), we think this filtering will really help mitigate “off channel” but “in band” noise. Because this product utilized a newer generation FPGA (actually a SoC), we have much more processing power available. At release, we’re over three times more PPS than the PMP 450, and there’s room to grow. Headline throughput is the same as PMP 450 today, but you will see differences (improvements) with smaller packet traffic, when NAT is on, etc. We will also have improvements to headline throughput coming in future releases. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:55 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Would like to see more information about the 450i interference mitigation advances over the 450.. and PPS/Throughput improvements over the 450. Peter Kranz http://www.unwiredltd.com/ www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
It depends on where you're at and if fiber is likely to get there. That's also the attractiveness of the ePMP platform... it's paid for before the caulk dries. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:28:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i The throughput issues with both bridge mode and especially NAT mode was resolved with 13.2. I think Aaron posted some screenshots while they were working on it. If your linktest gets you say 60x20Mbps, you can get very close to that in bridge mode, NAT mode is slightly less, but it's not as bad as it used to be (was about 10Mbps!). We will probably move to the 450d SM for 5GHz and do away with reflectors and Stingers (sorry Chuck). We are also not doing any more 2.4GHz. We have a single sector up with about 25 SMs on it and it works fine for the most part, but the noise is horrible. And all I want for 3GHz is an integrated panel SM. I am guessing the 450d will be priced quite a bit more then an SM with $40 - $50 reflector dish? These new products might be great but pricing and ROI are still an issue. It could all be obsolete in few years after we deploy if the iCLEC builds out fiber. Fiber just does not go obsolete after its buried even if its very expensive to put in. I just cannot see pushing ROI out very far now days with wireless. Might be time to bury fiber and invest in something future proof.
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
We’re employing what we’re calling Dynamic Interference Filtering in this platform… this is actually circuitry that “wraps around” the selected operating channel, effectively isolation noise from all other frequencies. Once you change channels, this filter moves with it. Because this is an ultrawide band (supporting 4900-5925 MHz), we think this filtering will really help mitigate “off channel” but “in band” noise. Because this product utilized a newer generation FPGA (actually a SoC), we have much more processing power available. At release, we’re over three times more PPS than the PMP 450, and there’s room to grow. Headline throughput is the same as PMP 450 today, but you will see differences (improvements) with smaller packet traffic, when NAT is on, etc. We will also have improvements to headline throughput coming in future releases. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Would like to see more information about the 450i interference mitigation advances over the 450.. and PPS/Throughput improvements over the 450. Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.comhttp://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.commailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Is the aux port 802.3af output using the data+power scheme on two pairs leaving the spare pairs for timing port sync, tone, etc? Or does the software switch completely change the port from 802.3af to legacy timing port mode? On 7/15/2015 5:21 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote: Maybe I am being less than clear, so apologies for that. There are two RJ-45 ports on this product: 1 port is Data/Power (i.e. the main port) 1 port is AUX, which has (or will have) many functions, among them is input/output of the sync pulse (i.e. UGPS) In summary, the radio supports “sync over power” via the CMM4 (using a custom cable pinout) and 56 VDC. It also supports “sync over timing port” via the UGPS (or other devices that perform similar functions) using the AUX port (and custom cable). Does this make sense? Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 4:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Timing on the power port? *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Mangriotis *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:27 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Good questions. Both CMM4 and UGPS are supported with 450i. True, the 6-pin port became a RJ-45 port, so the pinout is different. For connecting the CMM4, because the 450i is now powered by 802.3at PoE, you’ll need the 56 VDC power supply and the cable from the CMM4 to the PMP 450i AP has a different pinout. These cable pinouts will be documented in the user guides. PMP 450d is a SM only, so sync is taken from the AP. Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Sullivan *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 3:47 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i It has an AUX port that is Rj-45. No more Rj-11. On 7/15/2015 3:45 PM, Pavel Lyuty wrote: Sync only via CMM ? UGPS and other timing-port sync not supported ? 2015-07-15 17:55 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
The throughput issues with both bridge mode and especially NAT mode was resolved with 13.2. I think Aaron posted some screenshots while they were working on it. If your linktest gets you say 60x20Mbps, you can get very close to that in bridge mode, NAT mode is slightly less, but it's not as bad as it used to be (was about 10Mbps!). We will probably move to the 450d SM for 5GHz and do away with reflectors and Stingers (sorry Chuck). We are also not doing any more 2.4GHz. We have a single sector up with about 25 SMs on it and it works fine for the most part, but the noise is horrible. And all I want for 3GHz is an integrated panel SM. On 7/15/2015 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Yeah they max out way before the AP does...30meg might be rightbut we're not usually selling more than that to one customer. There's room in the market for a higher end SM for sure. On 7/15/2015 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher peak Tx power also brings about higher Tx power at max modulation. Tx power at lowest modulation doesn't mean much to me. Weren't there complains that the 450 SMs were running out of steam at like 30 megabit? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix *From: *Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:13:04 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i I can also see why you wouldn't do it. 450d can max out the (FCC) legal EIRP with the available tx power. The higher pps, faster processor, etc are features more useful for an AP. Maybe they keep the cost down a little by NOT doing more with that one. Or phrased another way, maybe 450di would be the ideal CPE except nobody would buy it because the 450d was cheaper. just speculation. On 7/15/2015 10:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: *nods* The press release prompted the question. It seems like a 450di would be the ideal 450 CPE. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix *From: *Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:55:06 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Key question, is there a 'lite' version of these new AP's? What does it cost? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Production ramp up is occurring now, but it might take some time. I would expect deliveries to start mid-August. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 11:49 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Thanks Matt. When can we expect our vendors to have stock of these? Thanks Adam From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:39 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i The download site is busted (again). Here are the spec sheets. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 11:36 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Yep broken for me also. It is such crap having to fill in a form to read a spec sheet. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve D Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:25 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i And I can't read the spec's because the captcha is broken (or am I more blind than I thought I was getting?) Please get rid of that crap and put the damn spec sheets in section I can log into with the support documents. -Steve D On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [Image removed by sender.]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[Image removed by sender.]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[Image removed by sender.]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[Image removed by sender.]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [Image removed by sender.]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[Image removed by sender.]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[Image removed by sender.]https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Are there any MSRP prices available yet on this gear? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Sync only via CMM ? UGPS and other timing-port sync not supported ? 2015-07-15 17:55 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
It has an AUX port that is Rj-45. No more Rj-11. On 7/15/2015 3:45 PM, Pavel Lyuty wrote: Sync only via CMM ? UGPS and other timing-port sync not supported ? 2015-07-15 17:55 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
I feel sorry for Forrest From: Matt Mangriotis Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 4:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Maybe I am being less than clear, so apologies for that. There are two RJ-45 ports on this product: 1 port is Data/Power (i.e. the main port) 1 port is AUX, which has (or will have) many functions, among them is input/output of the sync pulse (i.e. UGPS) In summary, the radio supports “sync over power” via the CMM4 (using a custom cable pinout) and 56 VDC. It also supports “sync over timing port” via the UGPS (or other devices that perform similar functions) using the AUX port (and custom cable). Does this make sense? Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 4:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Timing on the power port? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Good questions. Both CMM4 and UGPS are supported with 450i. True, the 6-pin port became a RJ-45 port, so the pinout is different. For connecting the CMM4, because the 450i is now powered by 802.3at PoE, you’ll need the 56 VDC power supply and the cable from the CMM4 to the PMP 450i AP has a different pinout. These cable pinouts will be documented in the user guides. PMP 450d is a SM only, so sync is taken from the AP. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i It has an AUX port that is Rj-45. No more Rj-11. On 7/15/2015 3:45 PM, Pavel Lyuty wrote: Sync only via CMM ? UGPS and other timing-port sync not supported ? 2015-07-15 17:55 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Why? I have no doubt he can make a 450i SyncInjector out of his gigabit version. Granted, it's a change to 48/56VDC and port pinout, but he already did that with the 320/430 SyncInjector anyway, although that wasn't gigabit. The other thing he's talked about, a managed device that puts out power and a sync pulse to feed the input of your GigE-POE-APC cards would be a pretty badass combo. On 7/15/2015 6:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I feel sorry for Forrest *From:* Matt Mangriotis mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 4:21 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Maybe I am being less than clear, so apologies for that. There are two RJ-45 ports on this product: 1 port is Data/Power (i.e. the main port) 1 port is AUX, which has (or will have) many functions, among them is input/output of the sync pulse (i.e. UGPS) In summary, the radio supports “sync over power” via the CMM4 (using a custom cable pinout) and 56 VDC. It also supports “sync over timing port” via the UGPS (or other devices that perform similar functions) using the AUX port (and custom cable). Does this make sense? Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 4:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Timing on the power port? *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Mangriotis *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:27 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Good questions. Both CMM4 and UGPS are supported with 450i. True, the 6-pin port became a RJ-45 port, so the pinout is different. For connecting the CMM4, because the 450i is now powered by 802.3at PoE, you’ll need the 56 VDC power supply and the cable from the CMM4 to the PMP 450i AP has a different pinout. These cable pinouts will be documented in the user guides. PMP 450d is a SM only, so sync is taken from the AP. Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Sullivan *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 3:47 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i It has an AUX port that is Rj-45. No more Rj-11. On 7/15/2015 3:45 PM, Pavel Lyuty wrote: Sync only via CMM ? UGPS and other timing-port sync not supported ? 2015-07-15 17:55 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Maybe I am being less than clear, so apologies for that. There are two RJ-45 ports on this product: 1 port is Data/Power (i.e. the main port) 1 port is AUX, which has (or will have) many functions, among them is input/output of the sync pulse (i.e. UGPS) In summary, the radio supports “sync over power” via the CMM4 (using a custom cable pinout) and 56 VDC. It also supports “sync over timing port” via the UGPS (or other devices that perform similar functions) using the AUX port (and custom cable). Does this make sense? Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 4:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Timing on the power port? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:27 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Good questions. Both CMM4 and UGPS are supported with 450i. True, the 6-pin port became a RJ-45 port, so the pinout is different. For connecting the CMM4, because the 450i is now powered by 802.3at PoE, you’ll need the 56 VDC power supply and the cable from the CMM4 to the PMP 450i AP has a different pinout. These cable pinouts will be documented in the user guides. PMP 450d is a SM only, so sync is taken from the AP. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i It has an AUX port that is Rj-45. No more Rj-11. On 7/15/2015 3:45 PM, Pavel Lyuty wrote: Sync only via CMM ? UGPS and other timing-port sync not supported ? 2015-07-15 17:55 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Good questions. Both CMM4 and UGPS are supported with 450i. True, the 6-pin port became a RJ-45 port, so the pinout is different. Hopefully a sync pipe can be powered by this port? For connecting the CMM4, because the 450i is now powered by 802.3at PoE, you’ll need the 56 VDC power supply and the cable from the CMM4 to the PMP 450i AP has a different pinout. Can we skip the CMM4 and use packetflux sync injectors? These cable pinouts will be documented in the user guides. PMP 450d is a SM only, so sync is taken from the AP. Matt Is the SM 56 volt as well? Switching our power plant from 24 too 48-56 volt is not a welcome change but I suppose it is the way the industry is going. We were really looking hard a lighting up a number of small sites with 450 due to the new lite AP's. I really think you need to reconsider the 450i not having a lite AP.
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Timing on the power port? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Good questions. Both CMM4 and UGPS are supported with 450i. True, the 6-pin port became a RJ-45 port, so the pinout is different. For connecting the CMM4, because the 450i is now powered by 802.3at PoE, you’ll need the 56 VDC power supply and the cable from the CMM4 to the PMP 450i AP has a different pinout. These cable pinouts will be documented in the user guides. PMP 450d is a SM only, so sync is taken from the AP. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sullivan Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i It has an AUX port that is Rj-45. No more Rj-11. On 7/15/2015 3:45 PM, Pavel Lyuty wrote: Sync only via CMM ? UGPS and other timing-port sync not supported ? 2015-07-15 17:55 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
I was about to ask thatdoes moving to 802.3at hurt that at all? On 7/15/2015 5:50 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: Timing on the power port? *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Mangriotis *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 2:27 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Good questions. Both CMM4 and UGPS are supported with 450i. True, the 6-pin port became a RJ-45 port, so the pinout is different. For connecting the CMM4, because the 450i is now powered by 802.3at PoE, you’ll need the 56 VDC power supply and the cable from the CMM4 to the PMP 450i AP has a different pinout. These cable pinouts will be documented in the user guides. PMP 450d is a SM only, so sync is taken from the AP. Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Sullivan *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 3:47 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i It has an AUX port that is Rj-45. No more Rj-11. On 7/15/2015 3:45 PM, Pavel Lyuty wrote: Sync only via CMM ? UGPS and other timing-port sync not supported ? 2015-07-15 17:55 GMT+03:00 Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Strong interest, yes, if you can get our cost on it to no more than $350 or so. If it's going to cost more than buying a connectorized SM and a panel antenna, the only reason I'd still be interested in it is to not have to weather seal RF pigtails, but that isn't worth $100-200. And I'm going to guess that you'll say $350 isn't going to happen. And I want a pony. On 7/15/2015 1:44 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote: If I were to say that there would be a 12” square flat panel (think about the PMP 450i integrated SM tilted at a 45 degree) for 3.65 GHz available, would there be strong interest in this from this crowd? It would be somewhat more expensive, but would have an integrated 19 dBi flat panel antenna, and the PMP 450i rear housing (but contain the existing 450 SM PCB). Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:41 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i We put up a 3.65 connectorized SM with a tan Mars 15x15 panel oriented like a diamond, on some customer’s upscale house that was the exact same color. He was very happy. I just hope he doesn’t tell all his neighbors and they want it too, because it was really too expensive by the time you add up the premium for 3.65 + the premium for connectorized SM + a fairly expensive panel antenna. Also the pigtails just reached, but Cambium is working on that. So an integrated panel would be nice. Although the 3.65 bare SMs work amazingly well at 1-2 miles. *From:*George Skorup mailto:geo...@cbcast.com *Sent:*Wednesday, July 15, 2015 12:46 PM *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i The throughput issues with both bridge mode and especially NAT mode was resolved with 13.2. I think Aaron posted some screenshots while they were working on it. If your linktest gets you say 60x20Mbps, you can get very close to that in bridge mode, NAT mode is slightly less, but it's not as bad as it used to be (was about 10Mbps!). We will probably move to the 450d SM for 5GHz and do away with reflectors and Stingers (sorry Chuck). We are also not doing any more 2.4GHz. We have a single sector up with about 25 SMs on it and it works fine for the most part, but the noise is horrible. And all I want for 3GHz is an integrated panel SM. On 7/15/2015 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Yeah they max out way before the AP does...30meg might be rightbut we're not usually selling more than that to one customer. There's room in the market for a higher end SM for sure. On 7/15/2015 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher peak Tx power also brings about higher Tx power at max modulation. Tx power at lowest modulation doesn't mean much to me. Weren't there complains that the 450 SMs were running out of steam at like 30 megabit? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix *From: *Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:13:04 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i I can also see why you wouldn't do it. 450d can max out the (FCC) legal EIRP with the available tx power. The higher pps, faster processor, etc are features more useful for an AP. Maybe they keep the cost down a little by NOT doing more with that one. Or phrased another way, maybe 450di would be the ideal CPE except nobody would buy it because the 450d was cheaper. just speculation. On 7/15/2015 10:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: *nods* The press release prompted the question. It seems like a 450di would be the ideal 450 CPE. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix *From: *Matt Mangriotis
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Press release says it includes 3.65 GHz, I wonder what is the FCC approval status on that? Given that band is kind of in regulatory limbo now until the new rules and spectrum access database get worked out. From: Matt Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Are these coming for the 2.4 and 3.5 GHZ bands? 900 MHZ? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Are these coming for the 2.4 and 3.5 GHZ bands? 900 MHZ? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Yeah they max out way before the AP does...30meg might be rightbut we're not usually selling more than that to one customer. There's room in the market for a higher end SM for sure. On 7/15/2015 11:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Higher peak Tx power also brings about higher Tx power at max modulation. Tx power at lowest modulation doesn't mean much to me. Weren't there complains that the 450 SMs were running out of steam at like 30 megabit? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix *From: *Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:13:04 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i I can also see why you wouldn't do it. 450d can max out the (FCC) legal EIRP with the available tx power. The higher pps, faster processor, etc are features more useful for an AP. Maybe they keep the cost down a little by NOT doing more with that one. Or phrased another way, maybe 450di would be the ideal CPE except nobody would buy it because the 450d was cheaper. just speculation. On 7/15/2015 10:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: *nods* The press release prompted the question. It seems like a 450di would be the ideal 450 CPE. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix *From: *Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:55:06 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
*nods* The press release prompted the question. It seems like a 450di would be the ideal 450 CPE. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:55:06 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Higher peak Tx power also brings about higher Tx power at max modulation. Tx power at lowest modulation doesn't mean much to me. Weren't there complains that the 450 SMs were running out of steam at like 30 megabit? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:13:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i I can also see why you wouldn't do it. 450d can max out the (FCC) legal EIRP with the available tx power. The higher pps, faster processor, etc are features more useful for an AP. Maybe they keep the cost down a little by NOT doing more with that one. Or phrased another way, maybe 450di would be the ideal CPE except nobody would buy it because the 450d was cheaper. just speculation. On 7/15/2015 10:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: *nods* The press release prompted the question. It seems like a 450di would be the ideal 450 CPE. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:55:06 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
And I can't read the spec's because the captcha is broken (or am I more blind than I thought I was getting?) Please get rid of that crap and put the damn spec sheets in section I can log into with the support documents. -Steve D On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Have a look at the links Matt provided its all IN :) We are absolutely loving the improvements made through firmware on the PMP450 3.65 gear.. My issue is I cant keep enough Subs in stock to worry about other stuff. On 07/15/2015 10:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Press release says it includes 3.65 GHz, I wonder what is the FCC approval status on that? Given that band is kind of in regulatory limbo now until the new rules and spectrum access database get worked out. *From:* Matt mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:30 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Are these coming for the 2.4 and 3.5 GHZ bands? 900 MHZ? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Yep broken for me also. It is such crap having to fill in a form to read a spec sheet. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve D Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:25 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i And I can't read the spec's because the captcha is broken (or am I more blind than I thought I was getting?) Please get rid of that crap and put the damn spec sheets in section I can log into with the support documents. -Steve D On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL Image removed by sender. https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb Image removed by sender. https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions Image removed by sender. https://twitter.com/ICSIL Image removed by sender. Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix Image removed by sender. https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange Image removed by sender. https://twitter.com/mdwestix Image removed by sender.
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Ken – The press release says that the PMP 450 platform supports 3.65 GHz… is that what you’re referring to? The PMP 450i release is 4900-5925 MHz (5 GHz) only. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Press release says it includes 3.65 GHz, I wonder what is the FCC approval status on that? Given that band is kind of in regulatory limbo now until the new rules and spectrum access database get worked out. From: Mattmailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:30 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Are these coming for the 2.4 and 3.5 GHZ bands? 900 MHZ? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i
Right now, we have no plans to launch PMP 450i in 2.4 or 3 GHz bands. There are plans for the PMP 450i 900 MHz product, which is due out in Q4. Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Are these coming for the 2.4 and 3.5 GHZ bands? 900 MHZ? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: These are two different products, addressing different markets. Cambium is hard at work getting new products released at an increased rate, all with the goal of providing solutions to help you guys build your businesses… Check out the Press Release and additional information on the 450i, which was just released this morning: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/pressreleases Feel free to ask questions about it here, or on our forum site also: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Introducing-Cambium-450i-PMP-and-PTP/m-p/42199#U42199 Matt From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 8:33 AM To: Animal Farm af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450d vs. 450i Am I correct in that these two products were developed independently of each others' advancements? the 450d is just a regular 450 feature set in a dish form factor and the 450i is all of the new capabilities, but in the traditional form factors? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/mdwestix
