Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Josh Reynolds]

Multiple streaming devices, gaming, home fileserver / NAS, small VM
cluster, and some VoIP. There's also a bit of 10G fiber through the house...

On Feb 1, 2018 4:17 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nobody's saying you're wrong, but aren't you kind of overbuilding your
> home WiFi?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/1/2018 3:54:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?
>
> Again, last time, people need to stop looking for "the most powerful long
> range AP" :)
>
> It doesn't matter if the wireless device can hear the AP, it matters that
> the mobile device can talk to the AP with a respectable signal level.
>
> Remember, you don't want a bunch of low signal devices bringing overall
> capacity down. You don't want your APs to hear nearby APs. You want good TX
> AND RX signal on each device. My UniFi APs are actually set to not let
> devices maintain connection below a -74. I overlap APs accordingly, only
> only have 2 using 2.4GHz at all (set to lower power). Everything else is
> 5GHz.
>
> I can walk out to the street, walk way out to the street behind my barn,
> and I have coverage everywhere. My APs in the front of the property see the
> APs in the back with around an -84 to -88 depending. Also covers from
> basement to second floor.
>
> If I upgrade an AP, devices instantly roam to another nearby AP and don't
> drop their stream or sessions.
>
> On Feb 1, 2018 11:27 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That's certainly true.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Dan Parrish" <tci...@outlook.com>
>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: 2/1/2018 12:25:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?
>>
>> More gain at the AP doesn't help hidden node problems between handsets.
>>
>> --dan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/1/2018 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> I'd suggest more *Tx Power* at the AP doesn't help with the tiny
>> handset/laptop.  More gain ought to.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Dan Parrish" <tci...@outlook.com>
>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> <af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: 2/1/2018 12:21:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?
>>
>> I agree that the square original Unifi AC PRO model wasn't the best
>> "value," but I used several of them across the street just fine. Was about
>> 200 feet through at least two exterior stucco walls, so seemed pretty good.
>>
>> More gain at the AP doesn't change the physics of the (assumed) handset
>> having a tiny antenna with awful radiation patterns. For this reason, I
>> don't believe in "long-range" access points nowadays. Where it makes sense,
>> try to place two or more access points closer to your usage areas instead
>> of one centrally-located one. The days of one access point in the middle of
>> the warehouse are over, IMO.
>>
>> --dan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/1/2018 1:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>
>> I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk.
>>
>> You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing (almost), but
>> seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) which are
>>>> like $79. The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard that the
>>>> newest shipping version of the same model does support 802.3af power now,
>>>> which is convenient. Don't quite understand how TJ wasn't happy with them
>>>> being a "flop".
>>>>
>>>> If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual machine or
>>>> physical system on a network, it does take a bit of Linux knowledge to do
>>>> it right, and ensure that it can be continually updated.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.
>>>>>
>>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Bill Prince]

Is the 844 actually doing beam forming? In which case the exact 
orientation of the antennas could be misleading.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 2/2/2018 12:46 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:

Chuck,

If you tear apart a 844 you'll notice that the antenna elements don't 
seem to cover 360 degrees. It does a good job with coverage but you'll 
notice that it can be hamstrung if not in the right orientation. That 
has been our experience anyway.


On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 11:17 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


I use a single Calix 844 to cover a larger area without issue.  3
floors. Solid sheets of aluminum between the floors as part of my
radiant heating system.

-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 10:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

We're using an N-mode Unifi AP, and it pretty much covers all of 3000
square feet, and then some. It's the only AP we have in the entire
house.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/31/2018 8:52 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the
original version which was a complete flop and waste of money.
I didn't upgraded to the cambium e400 but I've moved into a
larger house now and the coverage is not very good.

What is the best option currently for the longest range most
reliable ceiling mount AP available?

Thanks!!

TJ

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[chuck]

I am getting good omni coverage.  Been a while since I looked inside one.  

From: Eric Muehleisen 
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 1:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

Chuck, 

If you tear apart a 844 you'll notice that the antenna elements don't seem to 
cover 360 degrees. It does a good job with coverage but you'll notice that it 
can be hamstrung if not in the right orientation. That has been our experience 
anyway.

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 11:17 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I use a single Calix 844 to cover a larger area without issue.  3 floors. 
Solid sheets of aluminum between the floors as part of my radiant heating 
system.

  -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
  Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 10:01 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?


  We're using an N-mode Unifi AP, and it pretty much covers all of 3000
  square feet, and then some. It's the only AP we have in the entire house.

  bp
  <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

  On 1/31/2018 8:52 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original version 
which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded to the cambium 
e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the coverage is not very good.

What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable 
ceiling mount AP available?

Thanks!!

TJ

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Eric Muehleisen]

Chuck,

If you tear apart a 844 you'll notice that the antenna elements don't seem
to cover 360 degrees. It does a good job with coverage but you'll notice
that it can be hamstrung if not in the right orientation. That has been our
experience anyway.

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 11:17 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I use a single Calix 844 to cover a larger area without issue.  3 floors.
> Solid sheets of aluminum between the floors as part of my radiant heating
> system.
>
> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 10:01 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?
>
> We're using an N-mode Unifi AP, and it pretty much covers all of 3000
> square feet, and then some. It's the only AP we have in the entire house.
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 1/31/2018 8:52 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
>> First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original
>> version which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded to
>> the cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the coverage is
>> not very good.
>>
>> What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable
>> ceiling mount AP available?
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>> TJ
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[chuck]

I use a single Calix 844 to cover a larger area without issue.  3 floors. 
Solid sheets of aluminum between the floors as part of my radiant heating 
system.


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 10:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

We're using an N-mode Unifi AP, and it pretty much covers all of 3000
square feet, and then some. It's the only AP we have in the entire house.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/31/2018 8:52 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original version 
which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded to the 
cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the coverage is 
not very good.


What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable 
ceiling mount AP available?


Thanks!!

TJ

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Bill Prince]

We're using an N-mode Unifi AP, and it pretty much covers all of 3000 
square feet, and then some. It's the only AP we have in the entire house.


bp


On 1/31/2018 8:52 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original 
version which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't 
upgraded to the cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now 
and the coverage is not very good.


What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable 
ceiling mount AP available?


Thanks!!

TJ

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[chuck]

Replied to the wrong thread.  That was supposed to be in response to: “Is the 
list still alive?”

Timing is a bit off today I guess...

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 9:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

I QUIT!

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 3:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

Nobody's saying you're wrong, but aren't you kind of overbuilding your home 
WiFi?


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/1/2018 3:54:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

  Again, last time, people need to stop looking for "the most powerful long 
range AP" :) 

  It doesn't matter if the wireless device can hear the AP, it matters that the 
mobile device can talk to the AP with a respectable signal level.

  Remember, you don't want a bunch of low signal devices bringing overall 
capacity down. You don't want your APs to hear nearby APs. You want good TX AND 
RX signal on each device. My UniFi APs are actually set to not let devices 
maintain connection below a -74. I overlap APs accordingly, only only have 2 
using 2.4GHz at all (set to lower power). Everything else is 5GHz.

  I can walk out to the street, walk way out to the street behind my barn, and 
I have coverage everywhere. My APs in the front of the property see the APs in 
the back with around an -84 to -88 depending. Also covers from basement to 
second floor.

  If I upgrade an AP, devices instantly roam to another nearby AP and don't 
drop their stream or sessions.

  On Feb 1, 2018 11:27 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

That's certainly true.

-- Original Message --
From: "Dan Parrish" <tci...@outlook.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/1/2018 12:25:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

  More gain at the AP doesn't help hidden node problems between handsets.

  --dan




  On 2/1/2018 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I'd suggest more Tx Power at the AP doesn't help with the tiny 
handset/laptop.  More gain ought to.

-- Original Message --
From: "Dan Parrish" <tci...@outlook.com>
To: mailto:af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/1/2018 12:21:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

  I agree that the square original Unifi AC PRO model wasn't the best 
"value," but I used several of them across the street just fine. Was about 200 
feet through at least two exterior stucco walls, so seemed pretty good.

  More gain at the AP doesn't change the physics of the (assumed) 
handset having a tiny antenna with awful radiation patterns. For this reason, I 
don't believe in "long-range" access points nowadays. Where it makes sense, try 
to place two or more access points closer to your usage areas instead of one 
centrally-located one. The days of one access point in the middle of the 
warehouse are over, IMO.

  --dan




  On 2/1/2018 1:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk. 

You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing 
(almost), but seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz





On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af.

  On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) 
which are like $79. The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard that the 
newest shipping version of the same model does support 802.3af power now, which 
is convenient. Don't quite understand how TJ wasn't happy with them being a 
"flop". 

If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual machine 
or physical system on a network, it does take a bit of Linux knowledge to do it 
right, and ensure that it can be continually updated.


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird 
<joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.

  On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> 
wrote:

I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they 
can't seamlessly roam right?

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> 
wrote:

  E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where. 
  Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 
400 




  On 01/31/2018 10:53 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[chuck]

I QUIT!

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 3:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

Nobody's saying you're wrong, but aren't you kind of overbuilding your home 
WiFi?


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/1/2018 3:54:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

  Again, last time, people need to stop looking for "the most powerful long 
range AP" :) 

  It doesn't matter if the wireless device can hear the AP, it matters that the 
mobile device can talk to the AP with a respectable signal level.

  Remember, you don't want a bunch of low signal devices bringing overall 
capacity down. You don't want your APs to hear nearby APs. You want good TX AND 
RX signal on each device. My UniFi APs are actually set to not let devices 
maintain connection below a -74. I overlap APs accordingly, only only have 2 
using 2.4GHz at all (set to lower power). Everything else is 5GHz.

  I can walk out to the street, walk way out to the street behind my barn, and 
I have coverage everywhere. My APs in the front of the property see the APs in 
the back with around an -84 to -88 depending. Also covers from basement to 
second floor.

  If I upgrade an AP, devices instantly roam to another nearby AP and don't 
drop their stream or sessions.

  On Feb 1, 2018 11:27 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

That's certainly true.

-- Original Message --
From: "Dan Parrish" <tci...@outlook.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/1/2018 12:25:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

  More gain at the AP doesn't help hidden node problems between handsets.

  --dan




  On 2/1/2018 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I'd suggest more Tx Power at the AP doesn't help with the tiny 
handset/laptop.  More gain ought to.

-- Original Message --
From: "Dan Parrish" <tci...@outlook.com>
To: mailto:af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/1/2018 12:21:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

  I agree that the square original Unifi AC PRO model wasn't the best 
"value," but I used several of them across the street just fine. Was about 200 
feet through at least two exterior stucco walls, so seemed pretty good.

  More gain at the AP doesn't change the physics of the (assumed) 
handset having a tiny antenna with awful radiation patterns. For this reason, I 
don't believe in "long-range" access points nowadays. Where it makes sense, try 
to place two or more access points closer to your usage areas instead of one 
centrally-located one. The days of one access point in the middle of the 
warehouse are over, IMO.

  --dan




  On 2/1/2018 1:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk. 

You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing 
(almost), but seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz





On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af.

  On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) 
which are like $79. The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard that the 
newest shipping version of the same model does support 802.3af power now, which 
is convenient. Don't quite understand how TJ wasn't happy with them being a 
"flop". 

If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual machine 
or physical system on a network, it does take a bit of Linux knowledge to do it 
right, and ensure that it can be continually updated.


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird 
<joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.

  On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> 
wrote:

I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they 
can't seamlessly roam right?

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> 
wrote:

  E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where. 
  Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 
400 




  On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount 
the original version which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't 
upgraded to the cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Josh Reynolds]

Yeah, type of customer you don't want as a rule of thumb. :)

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> They sure sound needy.
>
>
>
> -
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>
>
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> ------
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, February 1, 2018 5:30:18 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?
>
> The design was created to meet the needs of the owner.
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Nobody's saying you're wrong, but aren't you kind of overbuilding your
>> home WiFi?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/1/2018 3:54:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?
>>
>> Again, last time, people need to stop looking for "the most powerful long
>> range AP" :)
>>
>> It doesn't matter if the wireless device can hear the AP, it matters that
>> the mobile device can talk to the AP with a respectable signal level.
>>
>> Remember, you don't want a bunch of low signal devices bringing overall
>> capacity down. You don't want your APs to hear nearby APs. You want good TX
>> AND RX signal on each device. My UniFi APs are actually set to not let
>> devices maintain connection below a -74. I overlap APs accordingly, only
>> only have 2 using 2.4GHz at all (set to lower power). Everything else is
>> 5GHz.
>>
>> I can walk out to the street, walk way out to the street behind my barn,
>> and I have coverage everywhere. My APs in the front of the property see the
>> APs in the back with around an -84 to -88 depending. Also covers from
>> basement to second floor.
>>
>> If I upgrade an AP, devices instantly roam to another nearby AP and don't
>> drop their stream or sessions.
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2018 11:27 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That's certainly true.
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Dan Parrish" <tci...@outlook.com>
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Sent: 2/1/2018 12:25:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?
>>>
>>> More gain at the AP doesn't help hidden node problems between handsets.
>>>
>>> --dan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/1/2018 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd suggest more *Tx Power* at the AP doesn't help with the tiny
>>> handset/laptop.  More gain ought to.
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Dan Parrish" <tci...@outlook.com>
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> <af@afmug.com>
>>> Sent: 2/1/2018 12:21:03 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?
>>>
>>> I agree that the square original Unifi AC PRO model wasn't the best
>>> "value," but I used several of them across the street just fine. Was about
>>> 200 feet through at least two exterior stucco walls, so seemed pretty good.
>>>
>>> More gain at the AP doesn't change the physics of the (assumed) handset
>>> having a tiny antenna with awful radiation patterns. For this reason, I
>>> don't believe in "long-range" access points nowadays. Where it makes sense,
>>> try to place two or more access points closer to your usage areas instead
>>> of one centrally-located one. The days of one access point in the middle of
>>> the warehouse are over, IMO.
>>>
>>> --dan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/1/2018 1:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk.
>>>
>>> You 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Mike Hammett]

They sure sound needy. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 5:30:18 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range? 



The design was created to meet the needs of the owner. 


On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




Nobody's saying you're wrong, but aren't you kind of overbuilding your home 
WiFi? 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 2/1/2018 3:54:42 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range? 





Again, last time, people need to stop looking for "the most powerful long range 
AP" :) 


It doesn't matter if the wireless device can hear the AP, it matters that the 
mobile device can talk to the AP with a respectable signal level. 


Remember, you don't want a bunch of low signal devices bringing overall 
capacity down. You don't want your APs to hear nearby APs. You want good TX AND 
RX signal on each device. My UniFi APs are actually set to not let devices 
maintain connection below a -74. I overlap APs accordingly, only only have 2 
using 2.4GHz at all (set to lower power). Everything else is 5GHz. 


I can walk out to the street, walk way out to the street behind my barn, and I 
have coverage everywhere. My APs in the front of the property see the APs in 
the back with around an -84 to -88 depending. Also covers from basement to 
second floor. 


If I upgrade an AP, devices instantly roam to another nearby AP and don't drop 
their stream or sessions. 




On Feb 1, 2018 11:27 AM, "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




That's certainly true. 


-- Original Message -- 
From: "Dan Parrish" < tci...@outlook.com > 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: 2/1/2018 12:25:52 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range? 




More gain at the AP doesn't help hidden node problems between handsets. 

--dan 




On 2/1/2018 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: 



I'd suggest more Tx Power at the AP doesn't help with the tiny handset/laptop. 
More gain ought to. 


-- Original Message -- 
From: "Dan Parrish" < tci...@outlook.com > 
To: "af@afmug.com" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: 2/1/2018 12:21:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range? 




I agree that the square original Unifi AC PRO model wasn't the best "value," 
but I used several of them across the street just fine. Was about 200 feet 
through at least two exterior stucco walls, so seemed pretty good. 

More gain at the AP doesn't change the physics of the (assumed) handset having 
a tiny antenna with awful radiation patterns. For this reason, I don't believe 
in "long-range" access points nowadays. Where it makes sense, try to place two 
or more access points closer to your usage areas instead of one 
centrally-located one. The days of one access point in the middle of the 
warehouse are over, IMO. 

--dan 




On 2/1/2018 1:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote: 



I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk. 


You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing (almost), but 
seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz 


Inline image 1





On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird < joshba...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af. 


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote: 



I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) which are like 
$79. The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard that the newest 
shipping version of the same model does support 802.3af power now, which is 
convenient. Don't quite understand how TJ wasn't happy with them being a 
"flop". 

If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual machine or physical 
system on a network, it does take a bit of Linux knowledge to do it right, and 
ensure that it can be continually updated. 



On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird < joshba...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine. We use them everywhere. 




On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 





I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they can't seamlessly roam 
right? 




On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave < dmilho...@wletc.com > wrote: 





E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where. 
Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400 





On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote: 



First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original version 
which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded to the cambium 
e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the coverage is not very good. 


What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable ceiling 
mount AP available? 


Thanks!! 


TJ 



-- 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Josh Reynolds]

The design was created to meet the needs of the owner.

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 4:17 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nobody's saying you're wrong, but aren't you kind of overbuilding your
> home WiFi?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/1/2018 3:54:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?
>
> Again, last time, people need to stop looking for "the most powerful long
> range AP" :)
>
> It doesn't matter if the wireless device can hear the AP, it matters that
> the mobile device can talk to the AP with a respectable signal level.
>
> Remember, you don't want a bunch of low signal devices bringing overall
> capacity down. You don't want your APs to hear nearby APs. You want good TX
> AND RX signal on each device. My UniFi APs are actually set to not let
> devices maintain connection below a -74. I overlap APs accordingly, only
> only have 2 using 2.4GHz at all (set to lower power). Everything else is
> 5GHz.
>
> I can walk out to the street, walk way out to the street behind my barn,
> and I have coverage everywhere. My APs in the front of the property see the
> APs in the back with around an -84 to -88 depending. Also covers from
> basement to second floor.
>
> If I upgrade an AP, devices instantly roam to another nearby AP and don't
> drop their stream or sessions.
>
> On Feb 1, 2018 11:27 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That's certainly true.
>>
>> -- Original Message ------
>> From: "Dan Parrish" <tci...@outlook.com>
>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: 2/1/2018 12:25:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?
>>
>> More gain at the AP doesn't help hidden node problems between handsets.
>>
>> --dan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/1/2018 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> I'd suggest more *Tx Power* at the AP doesn't help with the tiny
>> handset/laptop.  More gain ought to.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Dan Parrish" <tci...@outlook.com>
>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> <af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: 2/1/2018 12:21:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?
>>
>> I agree that the square original Unifi AC PRO model wasn't the best
>> "value," but I used several of them across the street just fine. Was about
>> 200 feet through at least two exterior stucco walls, so seemed pretty good.
>>
>> More gain at the AP doesn't change the physics of the (assumed) handset
>> having a tiny antenna with awful radiation patterns. For this reason, I
>> don't believe in "long-range" access points nowadays. Where it makes sense,
>> try to place two or more access points closer to your usage areas instead
>> of one centrally-located one. The days of one access point in the middle of
>> the warehouse are over, IMO.
>>
>> --dan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/1/2018 1:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>
>> I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk.
>>
>> You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing (almost), but
>> seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) which are
>>>> like $79. The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard that the
>>>> newest shipping version of the same model does support 802.3af power now,
>>>> which is convenient. Don't quite understand how TJ wasn't happy with them
>>>> being a "flop".
>>>>
>>>> If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual machine or
>>>> physical system on a network, it does take a bit of Linux knowledge to do
>>>> it right, and ensure that it can be continually updated.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they can't
>>>>>> seamlessly roam right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where.
>>>>>>> Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original
>>>>>>> version which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the 
>>>>>>> coverage is
>>>>>>> not very good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is the best option currently for the longest range most
>>>>>>> reliable ceiling mount AP available?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TJ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

>>Nobody's saying you're wrong, but aren't you kind of overbuilding your home 
>>WiFi? 

Yes, that is required for ubiquitous coverage and roaming ! 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 5:17:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

> Nobody's saying you're wrong, but aren't you kind of overbuilding your home
> WiFi?

> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com >
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/1/2018 3:54:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

>> Again, last time, people need to stop looking for "the most powerful long 
>> range
>> AP" :)

>> It doesn't matter if the wireless device can hear the AP, it matters that the
>> mobile device can talk to the AP with a respectable signal level.

>> Remember, you don't want a bunch of low signal devices bringing overall 
>> capacity
>> down. You don't want your APs to hear nearby APs. You want good TX AND RX
>> signal on each device. My UniFi APs are actually set to not let devices
>> maintain connection below a -74. I overlap APs accordingly, only only have 2
>> using 2.4GHz at all (set to lower power). Everything else is 5GHz.

>> I can walk out to the street, walk way out to the street behind my barn, and 
>> I
>> have coverage everywhere. My APs in the front of the property see the APs in
>> the back with around an -84 to -88 depending. Also covers from basement to
>> second floor.

>> If I upgrade an AP, devices instantly roam to another nearby AP and don't 
>> drop
>> their stream or sessions.

>> On Feb 1, 2018 11:27 AM, "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote:

>>> That's certainly true.

>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Dan Parrish" < tci...@outlook.com >
>>> To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
>>> Sent: 2/1/2018 12:25:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

>>>> More gain at the AP doesn't help hidden node problems between handsets.

>>>> --dan

>>>> On 2/1/2018 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

>>>>> I'd suggest more Tx Power at the AP doesn't help with the tiny 
>>>>> handset/laptop.
>>>>> More gain ought to.

>>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>>> From: "Dan Parrish" < tci...@outlook.com >
>>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" < af@afmug.com >
>>>>> Sent: 2/1/2018 12:21:03 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

>>>>>> I agree that the square original Unifi AC PRO model wasn't the best 
>>>>>> "value," but
>>>>>> I used several of them across the street just fine. Was about 200 feet 
>>>>>> through
>>>>>> at least two exterior stucco walls, so seemed pretty good.

>>>>>> More gain at the AP doesn't change the physics of the (assumed) handset 
>>>>>> having a
>>>>>> tiny antenna with awful radiation patterns. For this reason, I don't 
>>>>>> believe in
>>>>>> "long-range" access points nowadays. Where it makes sense, try to place 
>>>>>> two or
>>>>>> more access points closer to your usage areas instead of one 
>>>>>> centrally-located
>>>>>> one. The days of one access point in the middle of the warehouse are 
>>>>>> over, IMO.

>>>>>> --dan

>>>>>> On 2/1/2018 1:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

>>>>>>> I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk.

>>>>>>> You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing (almost), 
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz

>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird < joshba...@gmail.com > 
>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>> Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af.

>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > 
>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>> I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) which 
&g

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Adam Moffett]

Nobody's saying you're wrong, but aren't you kind of overbuilding your 
home WiFi?



-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/1/2018 3:54:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

Again, last time, people need to stop looking for "the most powerful 
long range AP" :)


It doesn't matter if the wireless device can hear the AP, it matters 
that the mobile device can talk to the AP with a respectable signal 
level.


Remember, you don't want a bunch of low signal devices bringing overall 
capacity down. You don't want your APs to hear nearby APs. You want 
good TX AND RX signal on each device. My UniFi APs are actually set to 
not let devices maintain connection below a -74. I overlap APs 
accordingly, only only have 2 using 2.4GHz at all (set to lower power). 
Everything else is 5GHz.


I can walk out to the street, walk way out to the street behind my 
barn, and I have coverage everywhere. My APs in the front of the 
property see the APs in the back with around an -84 to -88 depending. 
Also covers from basement to second floor.


If I upgrade an AP, devices instantly roam to another nearby AP and 
don't drop their stream or sessions.


On Feb 1, 2018 11:27 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

That's certainly true.

-- Original Message --
From: "Dan Parrish" <tci...@outlook.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/1/2018 12:25:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

More gain at the AP doesn't help hidden node problems between 
handsets.


--dan



On 2/1/2018 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I'd suggest more Tx Power at the AP doesn't help with the tiny 
handset/laptop.  More gain ought to.


-- Original Message --
From: "Dan Parrish" <tci...@outlook.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <mailto:af@afmug.com> <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/1/2018 12:21:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

I agree that the square original Unifi AC PRO model wasn't the best 
"value," but I used several of them across the street just fine. 
Was about 200 feet through at least two exterior stucco walls, so 
seemed pretty good.


More gain at the AP doesn't change the physics of the (assumed) 
handset having a tiny antenna with awful radiation patterns. For 
this reason, I don't believe in "long-range" access points 
nowadays. Where it makes sense, try to place two or more access 
points closer to your usage areas instead of one centrally-located 
one. The days of one access point in the middle of the warehouse 
are over, IMO.


--dan



On 2/1/2018 1:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk.

You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing 
(almost), but seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 
2.4ghz





On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) 
which are like $79. The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have 
heard that the newest shipping version of the same model does 
support 802.3af power now, which is convenient. Don't quite 
understand how TJ wasn't happy with them being a "flop".


If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual machine 
or physical system on a network, it does take a bit of Linux 
knowledge to do it right, and ensure that it can be continually 
updated.


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird 
<joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:

Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> 
wrote:
I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they 
can't seamlessly roam right?


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> 
wrote:

E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where.
Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400



On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the 
original version which was a complete flop and waste of 
money. I didn't upgraded to the cambium e400 but I've moved 
into a larger house now and the coverage is not very good.


What is the best option currently for the longest range most 
reliable ceiling mount AP available?


Thanks!!

TJ


--

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Robert Andrews]

Customer devices ( phones laptops etc ) should show the their signal as 
seen by the AP as well as the signal it sees...


On 02/01/2018 01:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 >>It doesn't matter if the wireless device can hear the AP, it matters 
that the mobile device can talk to the AP with a respectable signal level.


Amen Brother Josh !
Hallelujah ! That's the Truth !

:)


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, February 1, 2018 3:54:41 PM
    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

Again, last time, people need to stop looking for "the most powerful
long range AP" :)

It doesn't matter if the wireless device can hear the AP, it matters
that the mobile device can talk to the AP with a respectable signal
level.

Remember, you don't want a bunch of low signal devices bringing
overall capacity down. You don't want your APs to hear nearby APs.
You want good TX AND RX signal on each device. My UniFi APs are
actually set to not let devices maintain connection below a -74. I
overlap APs accordingly, only only have 2 using 2.4GHz at all (set
to lower power). Everything else is 5GHz.

I can walk out to the street, walk way out to the street behind my
barn, and I have coverage everywhere. My APs in the front of the
property see the APs in the back with around an -84 to -88
depending. Also covers from basement to second floor.

If I upgrade an AP, devices instantly roam to another nearby AP and
don't drop their stream or sessions.

On Feb 1, 2018 11:27 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

That's certainly true.

-- Original Message --
From: "Dan Parrish" <tci...@outlook.com <mailto:tci...@outlook.com>>
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com
    <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 2/1/2018 12:25:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

More gain at the AP doesn't help hidden node problems
between handsets.

--dan



On 2/1/2018 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I'd suggest more /Tx Power/ at the AP doesn't help with
the tiny handset/laptop.  More gain ought to.

-- Original Message --
From: "Dan Parrish" <tci...@outlook.com
<mailto:tci...@outlook.com>>
To: "af@afmug.com" <mailto:af@afmug.com> <af@afmug.com
    <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 2/1/2018 12:21:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

I agree that the square original Unifi AC PRO model
wasn't the best "value," but I used several of them
across the street just fine. Was about 200 feet
through at least two exterior stucco walls, so
seemed pretty good.

More gain at the AP doesn't change the physics of
the (assumed) handset having a tiny antenna with
awful radiation patterns. For this reason, I don't
believe in "long-range" access points nowadays.
Where it makes sense, try to place two or more
access points closer to your usage areas instead of
one centrally-located one. The days of one access
point in the middle of the warehouse are over, IMO.

--dan



On 2/1/2018 1:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it
was junk.

You had to have line of site to connect to the
stupid thing (almost), but seriously like 15ft
range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz

Inline image 1


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird
<joshba...@gmail.com
<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites
are 802.3af.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com
<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I have a

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

>>It doesn't matter if the wireless device can hear the AP, it matters that the 
>>mobile device can talk to the AP with a respectable signal level. 

Amen Brother Josh ! 
Hallelujah ! That's the Truth ! 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 3:54:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

> Again, last time, people need to stop looking for "the most powerful long 
> range
> AP" :)

> It doesn't matter if the wireless device can hear the AP, it matters that the
> mobile device can talk to the AP with a respectable signal level.

> Remember, you don't want a bunch of low signal devices bringing overall 
> capacity
> down. You don't want your APs to hear nearby APs. You want good TX AND RX
> signal on each device. My UniFi APs are actually set to not let devices
> maintain connection below a -74. I overlap APs accordingly, only only have 2
> using 2.4GHz at all (set to lower power). Everything else is 5GHz.

> I can walk out to the street, walk way out to the street behind my barn, and I
> have coverage everywhere. My APs in the front of the property see the APs in
> the back with around an -84 to -88 depending. Also covers from basement to
> second floor.

> If I upgrade an AP, devices instantly roam to another nearby AP and don't drop
> their stream or sessions.

> On Feb 1, 2018 11:27 AM, "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote:

>> That's certainly true.

>> -- Original Message ------
>> From: "Dan Parrish" < tci...@outlook.com >
>> To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com >
>> Sent: 2/1/2018 12:25:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

>>> More gain at the AP doesn't help hidden node problems between handsets.

>>> --dan

>>> On 2/1/2018 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

>>>> I'd suggest more Tx Power at the AP doesn't help with the tiny 
>>>> handset/laptop.
>>>> More gain ought to.

>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>> From: "Dan Parrish" < tci...@outlook.com >
>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" < af@afmug.com >
>>>> Sent: 2/1/2018 12:21:03 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

>>>>> I agree that the square original Unifi AC PRO model wasn't the best 
>>>>> "value," but
>>>>> I used several of them across the street just fine. Was about 200 feet 
>>>>> through
>>>>> at least two exterior stucco walls, so seemed pretty good.

>>>>> More gain at the AP doesn't change the physics of the (assumed) handset 
>>>>> having a
>>>>> tiny antenna with awful radiation patterns. For this reason, I don't 
>>>>> believe in
>>>>> "long-range" access points nowadays. Where it makes sense, try to place 
>>>>> two or
>>>>> more access points closer to your usage areas instead of one 
>>>>> centrally-located
>>>>> one. The days of one access point in the middle of the warehouse are 
>>>>> over, IMO.

>>>>> --dan

>>>>> On 2/1/2018 1:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

>>>>>> I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk.

>>>>>> You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing (almost), but
>>>>>> seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz

>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird < joshba...@gmail.com > 
>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>> Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af.

>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > 
>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>> I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) which are 
>>>>>>>> like $79.
>>>>>>>> The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard that the newest 
>>>>>>>> shipping
>>>>>>>> version of the same model does support 802.3af power now, which is 
>>>>>>>> convenient.
>>>>>>>> Don't quite understand how TJ wasn't happy with them being a "flop".

>>>>>>>> If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual mac

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Josh Reynolds]

Again, last time, people need to stop looking for "the most powerful long
range AP" :)

It doesn't matter if the wireless device can hear the AP, it matters that
the mobile device can talk to the AP with a respectable signal level.

Remember, you don't want a bunch of low signal devices bringing overall
capacity down. You don't want your APs to hear nearby APs. You want good TX
AND RX signal on each device. My UniFi APs are actually set to not let
devices maintain connection below a -74. I overlap APs accordingly, only
only have 2 using 2.4GHz at all (set to lower power). Everything else is
5GHz.

I can walk out to the street, walk way out to the street behind my barn,
and I have coverage everywhere. My APs in the front of the property see the
APs in the back with around an -84 to -88 depending. Also covers from
basement to second floor.

If I upgrade an AP, devices instantly roam to another nearby AP and don't
drop their stream or sessions.

On Feb 1, 2018 11:27 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That's certainly true.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Dan Parrish" <tci...@outlook.com>
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 2/1/2018 12:25:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?
>
> More gain at the AP doesn't help hidden node problems between handsets.
>
> --dan
>
>
>
> On 2/1/2018 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> I'd suggest more *Tx Power* at the AP doesn't help with the tiny
> handset/laptop.  More gain ought to.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Dan Parrish" <tci...@outlook.com>
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 2/1/2018 12:21:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?
>
> I agree that the square original Unifi AC PRO model wasn't the best
> "value," but I used several of them across the street just fine. Was about
> 200 feet through at least two exterior stucco walls, so seemed pretty good.
>
> More gain at the AP doesn't change the physics of the (assumed) handset
> having a tiny antenna with awful radiation patterns. For this reason, I
> don't believe in "long-range" access points nowadays. Where it makes sense,
> try to place two or more access points closer to your usage areas instead
> of one centrally-located one. The days of one access point in the middle of
> the warehouse are over, IMO.
>
> --dan
>
>
>
> On 2/1/2018 1:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
> I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk.
>
> You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing (almost), but
> seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) which are
>>> like $79. The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard that the
>>> newest shipping version of the same model does support 802.3af power now,
>>> which is convenient. Don't quite understand how TJ wasn't happy with them
>>> being a "flop".
>>>
>>> If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual machine or
>>> physical system on a network, it does take a bit of Linux knowledge to do
>>> it right, and ensure that it can be continually updated.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they can't
>>>>> seamlessly roam right?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where.
>>>>>> Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original
>>>>>> version which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the coverage 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> not very good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable
>>>>>> ceiling mount AP available?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Adam Moffett]

That's certainly true.

-- Original Message --
From: "Dan Parrish" <tci...@outlook.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/1/2018 12:25:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?


More gain at the AP doesn't help hidden node problems between handsets.

--dan



On 2/1/2018 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I'd suggest more Tx Power at the AP doesn't help with the tiny 
handset/laptop.  More gain ought to.


-- Original Message --
From: "Dan Parrish" <tci...@outlook.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <mailto:af@afmug.com> <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/1/2018 12:21:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

I agree that the square original Unifi AC PRO model wasn't the best 
"value," but I used several of them across the street just fine. Was 
about 200 feet through at least two exterior stucco walls, so seemed 
pretty good.


More gain at the AP doesn't change the physics of the (assumed) 
handset having a tiny antenna with awful radiation patterns. For this 
reason, I don't believe in "long-range" access points nowadays. Where 
it makes sense, try to place two or more access points closer to your 
usage areas instead of one centrally-located one. The days of one 
access point in the middle of the warehouse are over, IMO.


--dan



On 2/1/2018 1:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk.

You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing 
(almost), but seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz





On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) which 
are like $79. The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard 
that the newest shipping version of the same model does support 
802.3af power now, which is convenient. Don't quite understand how 
TJ wasn't happy with them being a "flop".


If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual machine or 
physical system on a network, it does take a bit of Linux 
knowledge to do it right, and ensure that it can be continually 
updated.


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they can't 
seamlessly roam right?


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> 
wrote:

E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where.
Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400



On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the 
original version which was a complete flop and waste of money. 
I didn't upgraded to the cambium e400 but I've moved into a 
larger house now and the coverage is not very good.


What is the best option currently for the longest range most 
reliable ceiling mount AP available?


Thanks!!

TJ


--

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Dan Parrish]

More gain at the AP doesn't help hidden node problems between handsets.

--dan



On 2/1/2018 11:24 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I'd suggest more Tx Power at the AP doesn't help with the tiny handset/laptop.  
More gain ought to.

-- Original Message --
From: "Dan Parrish" <tci...@outlook.com<mailto:tci...@outlook.com>>
To: "af@afmug.com"<mailto:af@afmug.com> <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 2/1/2018 12:21:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

I agree that the square original Unifi AC PRO model wasn't the best "value," 
but I used several of them across the street just fine. Was about 200 feet 
through at least two exterior stucco walls, so seemed pretty good.

More gain at the AP doesn't change the physics of the (assumed) handset having 
a tiny antenna with awful radiation patterns. For this reason, I don't believe 
in "long-range" access points nowadays. Where it makes sense, try to place two 
or more access points closer to your usage areas instead of one 
centrally-located one. The days of one access point in the middle of the 
warehouse are over, IMO.

--dan



On 2/1/2018 1:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk.

You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing (almost), but 
seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz

[Inline image 1]


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird 
<joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) which are like 
$79. The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard that the newest 
shipping version of the same model does support 802.3af power now, which is 
convenient. Don't quite understand how TJ wasn't happy with them being a "flop".

If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual machine or physical 
system on a network, it does take a bit of Linux knowledge to do it right, and 
ensure that it can be continually updated.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird 
<joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout 
<t...@voltbb.com<mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they can't seamlessly roam 
right?

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave 
<dmilho...@wletc.com<mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where.
Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400



On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original version 
which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded to the cambium 
e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the coverage is not very good.

What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable ceiling 
mount AP available?

Thanks!!

TJ

--
[cid:part9.5C281854.9FB17DCC@outlook.com]

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Adam Moffett]

I'd suggest more Tx Power at the AP doesn't help with the tiny 
handset/laptop.  More gain ought to.


-- Original Message --
From: "Dan Parrish" <tci...@outlook.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/1/2018 12:21:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

I agree that the square original Unifi AC PRO model wasn't the best 
"value," but I used several of them across the street just fine. Was 
about 200 feet through at least two exterior stucco walls, so seemed 
pretty good.


More gain at the AP doesn't change the physics of the (assumed) handset 
having a tiny antenna with awful radiation patterns. For this reason, I 
don't believe in "long-range" access points nowadays. Where it makes 
sense, try to place two or more access points closer to your usage 
areas instead of one centrally-located one. The days of one access 
point in the middle of the warehouse are over, IMO.


--dan



On 2/1/2018 1:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk.

You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing (almost), 
but seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz





On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) which 
are like $79. The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard 
that the newest shipping version of the same model does support 
802.3af power now, which is convenient. Don't quite understand how 
TJ wasn't happy with them being a "flop".


If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual machine or 
physical system on a network, it does take a bit of Linux knowledge 
to do it right, and ensure that it can be continually updated.


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they can't 
seamlessly roam right?


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:

E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where.
Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400



On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the 
original version which was a complete flop and waste of money. I 
didn't upgraded to the cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger 
house now and the coverage is not very good.


What is the best option currently for the longest range most 
reliable ceiling mount AP available?


Thanks!!

TJ


--

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Dan Parrish]

I agree that the square original Unifi AC PRO model wasn't the best "value," 
but I used several of them across the street just fine. Was about 200 feet 
through at least two exterior stucco walls, so seemed pretty good.

More gain at the AP doesn't change the physics of the (assumed) handset having 
a tiny antenna with awful radiation patterns. For this reason, I don't believe 
in "long-range" access points nowadays. Where it makes sense, try to place two 
or more access points closer to your usage areas instead of one 
centrally-located one. The days of one access point in the middle of the 
warehouse are over, IMO.

--dan



On 2/1/2018 1:18 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk.

You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing (almost), but 
seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz

[Inline image 1]


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird 
> wrote:
Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) which are like 
$79. The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard that the newest 
shipping version of the same model does support 802.3af power now, which is 
convenient. Don't quite understand how TJ wasn't happy with them being a "flop".

If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual machine or physical 
system on a network, it does take a bit of Linux knowledge to do it right, and 
ensure that it can be continually updated.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird 
> wrote:
Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout 
> wrote:
I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they can't seamlessly roam 
right?

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave 
> wrote:
E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where.
Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400



On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original version 
which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded to the cambium 
e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the coverage is not very good.

What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable ceiling 
mount AP available?

Thanks!!

TJ

--
[cid:part7.6881289B.206F1459@outlook.com]

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Timothy Steele]

We have have many top dollar AP's in home automation, and I also come from
a WISP background.. there is just no beating unifi they have come a very
long way just in the past 6 months if you have not tried unifi in a while
definitely take a 2nd look

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018, 9:47 AM Mitch Koep  wrote:

> TJ,
>
> What model are you using and firmware?
>
> We have two AC Pros covering 3 floors of a very large lodge type building?
>
> The building is concrete and wood construction and they work great??
>
> Mitch Koep
>
> 218-851-8689 cell
>
> On 1/31/2018 2:18 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they can't
>> seamlessly roam right?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>
>>> E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where.
>>> Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>>
>>> First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original
>>> version which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded to
>>> the cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the coverage is
>>> not very good.
>>>
>>> What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable
>>> ceiling mount AP available?
>>>
>>> Thanks!!
>>>
>>> TJ
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Mitch Koep]

TJ,

What model are you using and firmware?

We have two AC Pros covering 3 floors of a very large lodge type building?

The building is concrete and wood construction and they work great??

Mitch Koep

218-851-8689 cell


On 1/31/2018 2:18 PM, Josh Baird wrote:

Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout > wrote:


I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they can't
seamlessly roam right?

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave > wrote:

E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where.
Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400



On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the
original version which was a complete flop and waste of
money. I didn't upgraded to the cambium e400 but I've moved
into a larger house now and the coverage is not very good.

What is the best option currently for the longest range most
reliable ceiling mount AP available?

Thanks!!

TJ


-- 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Dave]

LOL!
 Right.
This is why I prefer the e400 it allows us to be RF smart. Lots of dials 
to move without breaking the bank



On 02/01/2018 07:05 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Stop asking for the longest range AP.

We're supposed to be RF-smart people.

On Feb 1, 2018 6:56 AM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Have always had success with UniFi APs even in RF noisy place like
Cattle Ranchers Association building with many competing APs running.

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 1, 2018 5:42 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

UBNT has left these behind, but mine works at significantly
more range than that.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com <mailto:t...@voltbb.com>>
    *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, February 1, 2018 1:18:19 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk.

You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing
(almost), but seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @
2.4ghz

Inline image 1


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird
<joshba...@gmail.com <mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com <mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual
band) which are like $79. The ones I have are 24VDC
gigabit only. Have heard that the newest shipping
version of the same model does support 802.3af power
now, which is convenient. Don't quite understand how
TJ wasn't happy with them being a "flop".

If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual
machine or physical system on a network, it does take
a bit of Linux knowledge to do it right, and ensure
that it can be continually updated.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird
<joshba...@gmail.com <mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine. We use them
everywhere.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout
<t...@voltbb.com <mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:

I guess I need more penetration or another
e400, but they can't seamlessly roam right?

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave
<dmilho...@wletc.com
<mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:

E400 Hands down.. We are using them every
where.
Have not tried new 410 yet but was very
impressed with 400



On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

First I started out with Ubiquiti AC
AP ceiling mount the original version
which was a complete flop and waste of
money. I didn't upgraded to the
cambium e400 but I've moved into a
larger house now and the coverage is
not very good.

What is the best option currently for
the longest range most reliable
ceiling mount AP available?

Thanks!!

TJ


-- 










--

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Josh Reynolds]

Stop asking for the longest range AP.

We're supposed to be RF-smart people.

On Feb 1, 2018 6:56 AM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Have always had success with UniFi APs even in RF noisy place like Cattle
> Ranchers Association building with many competing APs running.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Feb 1, 2018 5:42 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> UBNT has left these behind, but mine works at significantly more range
>> than that.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, February 1, 2018 1:18:19 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?
>>
>> I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk.
>>
>> You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing (almost), but
>> seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) which are
>>>> like $79. The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard that the
>>>> newest shipping version of the same model does support 802.3af power now,
>>>> which is convenient. Don't quite understand how TJ wasn't happy with them
>>>> being a "flop".
>>>>
>>>> If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual machine or
>>>> physical system on a network, it does take a bit of Linux knowledge to do
>>>> it right, and ensure that it can be continually updated.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they can't
>>>>>> seamlessly roam right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where.
>>>>>>> Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original
>>>>>>> version which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the 
>>>>>>> coverage is
>>>>>>> not very good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is the best option currently for the longest range most
>>>>>>> reliable ceiling mount AP available?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TJ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Jaime Solorza]

Have always had success with UniFi APs even in RF noisy place like Cattle
Ranchers Association building with many competing APs running.

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 1, 2018 5:42 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> UBNT has left these behind, but mine works at significantly more range
> than that.
>
>
>
> -
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>
>
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> --------------
> *From: *"TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, February 1, 2018 1:18:19 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?
>
> I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk.
>
> You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing (almost), but
> seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) which are
>>> like $79. The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard that the
>>> newest shipping version of the same model does support 802.3af power now,
>>> which is convenient. Don't quite understand how TJ wasn't happy with them
>>> being a "flop".
>>>
>>> If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual machine or
>>> physical system on a network, it does take a bit of Linux knowledge to do
>>> it right, and ensure that it can be continually updated.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they can't
>>>>> seamlessly roam right?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where.
>>>>>> Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original
>>>>>> version which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the coverage 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> not very good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable
>>>>>> ceiling mount AP available?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Mike Hammett]

UBNT has left these behind, but mine works at significantly more range than 
that. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 1:18:19 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range? 


I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk. 


You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing (almost), but 
seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz 


Inline image 1





On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird < joshba...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af. 


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote: 



I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) which are like 
$79. The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard that the newest 
shipping version of the same model does support 802.3af power now, which is 
convenient. Don't quite understand how TJ wasn't happy with them being a 
"flop". 

If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual machine or physical 
system on a network, it does take a bit of Linux knowledge to do it right, and 
ensure that it can be continually updated. 



On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird < joshba...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine. We use them everywhere. 




On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 





I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they can't seamlessly roam 
right? 




On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave < dmilho...@wletc.com > wrote: 





E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where. 
Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400 





On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote: 



First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original version 
which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded to the cambium 
e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the coverage is not very good. 


What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable ceiling 
mount AP available? 


Thanks!! 


TJ 



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Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[TJ Trout]

I'm talking about the first ever unifi AC ap, it was junk.

You had to have line of site to connect to the stupid thing (almost), but
seriously like 15ft range @ 5ghz, maybe 25ft @ 2.4ghz

[image: Inline image 1]


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:

> Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af.
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) which are
>> like $79. The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard that the
>> newest shipping version of the same model does support 802.3af power now,
>> which is convenient. Don't quite understand how TJ wasn't happy with them
>> being a "flop".
>>
>> If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual machine or
>> physical system on a network, it does take a bit of Linux knowledge to do
>> it right, and ensure that it can be continually updated.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>
 I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they can't
 seamlessly roam right?

 On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave  wrote:

> E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where.
> Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400
>
>
>
> On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
> First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original
> version which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded to
> the cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the coverage 
> is
> not very good.
>
> What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable
> ceiling mount AP available?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> TJ
>
>
> --
>


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Josh Baird]

Yes - I can confirm that the new-ish Lites are 802.3af.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) which are
> like $79. The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard that the
> newest shipping version of the same model does support 802.3af power now,
> which is convenient. Don't quite understand how TJ wasn't happy with them
> being a "flop".
>
> If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual machine or physical
> system on a network, it does take a bit of Linux knowledge to do it right,
> and ensure that it can be continually updated.
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they can't
>>> seamlessly roam right?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>>
 E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where.
 Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400



 On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

 First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original
 version which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded to
 the cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the coverage is
 not very good.

 What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable
 ceiling mount AP available?

 Thanks!!

 TJ


 --

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Dave]

Yes,
They will seamlessly roam. Just configure the snr value to release the 
client in the Radio configuration
There are a ton of other features that I could on and on about but that 
is one I like when we place them in areas the require dense

proximity of APs.
 We placed one unit in a house that has a foyer that is on the second 
floor that covers the entire 5 bedroom 4 bath house. We get anywhere 
from -75 -55
anywhere in the house. That includes the dish joeys and hoppers oh and 2 
xboxes




On 01/31/2018 11:35 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they can't 
seamlessly roam right?


On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave > wrote:


E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where.
Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400



On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:

First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the
original version which was a complete flop and waste of money. I
didn't upgraded to the cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger
house now and the coverage is not very good.

What is the best option currently for the longest range most
reliable ceiling mount AP available?

Thanks!!

TJ


-- 





--

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Eric Kuhnke]

I have a bunch of the UAP-AC-LITE (802.11ac, 2x2, dual band) which are like
$79. The ones I have are 24VDC gigabit only. Have heard that the newest
shipping version of the same model does support 802.3af power now, which is
convenient. Don't quite understand how TJ wasn't happy with them being a
"flop".

If you want a properly set up Unifi controller virtual machine or physical
system on a network, it does take a bit of Linux knowledge to do it right,
and ensure that it can be continually updated.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:

> Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they can't
>> seamlessly roam right?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave  wrote:
>>
>>> E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where.
>>> Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>>
>>> First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original
>>> version which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded to
>>> the cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the coverage is
>>> not very good.
>>>
>>> What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable
>>> ceiling mount AP available?
>>>
>>> Thanks!!
>>>
>>> TJ
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Josh Baird]

Unifi AC Pro/Lite is just fine.  We use them everywhere.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:35 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they can't seamlessly
> roam right?
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave  wrote:
>
>> E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where.
>> Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400
>>
>>
>>
>> On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>
>> First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original
>> version which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded to
>> the cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the coverage is
>> not very good.
>>
>> What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable
>> ceiling mount AP available?
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>> TJ
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[TJ Trout]

I guess I need more penetration or another e400, but they can't seamlessly
roam right?

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Dave  wrote:

> E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where.
> Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400
>
>
>
> On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
> First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original version
> which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded to the
> cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the coverage is not
> very good.
>
> What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable
> ceiling mount AP available?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> TJ
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Ben Moore]

Hi TJ -

What was main issue with the UAP?  Which model was it?

Thanks,
Ben

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:53 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original version
> which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't upgraded to the
> cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now and the coverage is not
> very good.
>
> What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable
> ceiling mount AP available?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> TJ
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceiling mount AP with best range?

[Dave]

E400 Hands down.. We are using them every where.
Have not tried new 410 yet but was very impressed with 400


On 01/31/2018 10:53 AM, TJ Trout wrote:
First I started out with Ubiquiti AC AP ceiling mount the original 
version which was a complete flop and waste of money. I didn't 
upgraded to the cambium e400 but I've moved into a larger house now 
and the coverage is not very good.


What is the best option currently for the longest range most reliable 
ceiling mount AP available?


Thanks!!

TJ


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