Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring or power with a Packetflux Site Monitor
Hmm. Html5 seems to perhaps have the needed pieces. Maybe it's time to revisit this feature in the web ui. On Sep 25, 2014 1:17 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: Yeah, I haven't figured out how to make that happen yet. I really wanted to have a right click menu but that doesn't seem to be a real possibility in most browsers. Steve mentioned the sitemonitor manager option which does allow the right click copy, but that requires installing software. On Sep 24, 2014 6:17 PM, Sam Lambie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Thanks. How can I be lazy and copy that pop up to copy the OID? Sam Lambie Wireless Internet Technician www.taosnet.com 575.758.7598 On Sep 24, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Forrest Christian \(List Account\) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That's the right way to do it. If you go into the web interface and into the analog tab and put your mouse pointer over the value for the appropriate dc input, the oid will be shown in the lower right corner of your screen. On Sep 24, 2014 2:43 PM, Sam Lambie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I want to monitor grid power by placing a wall wort into PWR 2 on the site monitor. Then plug the wall wort (sp?) into the Surge side of the UPS. What OID would I use to see if there is power or NOT for SNMP queries? Or is there a better way to go about this? thanks Sam -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
I want to add my 0.02 Every current generation packetflux product is warranted from all failures regardless of the cause. Lightning. Water. Random failures. And so on. Pretty much everything shipped within the last three or so years falls under this. Heck, we even pay round trip shipping in the U.S. I WANT to see them back. Every one is specifically analyzed for the cause of the failure and if I see more than a couple failures of a specific cause then I make changes to address them. As a specific example, rev c injectors often came back with a specific trace blown on the bottom of the board. We determined that this was being blown by the energy from lightning strikes using that particular path to ground in systems where the dc power plant was grounded. Although the trace was far bigger than was needed for normal use, the thousands of amps of a lightning strike was too much for it. A change to the board layout has eliminated that failure mode. I could name other similar issues which have been taken care of as a result of failure analysis. The current rev injectors pretty much only come back with either severe widespread lightning damage from direct strikes (rare) or damage from water ingress through the cables (far more often), both of which are problems which one could argue aren't really my problem, but I'm still looking for solutions. On Sep 26, 2014 8:54 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Strangely enough, I've had the opposite experience with reliability. I've had more mysterious deaths from sync injectors.haven't had a CMM failure in years. You really prefer the CMM? I use to have tons of issues with CMMs losing sync, losing power, dying. It seems to me like the sync injectors are a fraction of the cost and are almost an 'install and forget it' type of product. They just keep on working. I actually prefer the cheaper version that Packetflux offers, having used both extensively. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: .also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with ePMP. You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to exceed 100x100. The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast. It is expensive, but you are not likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one. My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to provide sync over power. Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing sources available IMO. They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people are so die hard against using it On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs… Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
That is correct. One should also note that there are no cmm products which do gigabit Ethernet. The cmm4 can be purchased with a Ethernet switch but it's a separate unit. On Sep 26, 2014 2:36 PM, Eric Muehleisen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I believe the CMMmicro (CMM3) was the only CMM that contained hub/switches. Everything else was passthrough. On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If I am not mistaken, the original CMM had a hub. *From:* Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 10:16 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question My issue with the CMM-type products is they're all switched, correct? I want no layer two devices between my radio and my router. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, September 25, 2014 1:54:45 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question .also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with ePMP. You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to exceed 100x100. The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast. It is expensive, but you are not likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one. My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to provide sync over power. Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing sources available IMO. They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people are so die hard against using it On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’m looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint. Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2 channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching multiple POPs… Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks,LLC -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
Exactly. Don't toss them, send them back at our expense. I'd have to look at the raw box cost. And unfortunately I'm nowhere near the computer with that info on it. On Sep 27, 2014 12:35 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: does that mean i shouldnt have robbed the housing from the syncbox that got fried a few weeks ago by lightning and sent it to you for free loot? BTW, that housing is ideal for putting splitters inside of, how much for just the box with no sync? On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I should add that all of the APs, as well as the “mobile unit” need to be in the same “network”. Jeremy *From:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett via Af *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 2:22 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question It doesn't. He either ran it multiple times on the same map and selected different AP's each time, or he imported the different maps into some other software to make the composite image. Sorry, I asked a very vague question. I know how to create a Cartesian coverage map. What setting does a different color per AP? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/26/2014 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Click the “Cartesian Radio Coverage” button. You may have to make it visible in Options. *From:* Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 11:47 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Jeremy, You said you create these maps with a cartesian in RM. What setting does this? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/25/2014 07:07 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af wrote: Okay, I’ll try just embedding the image: *From:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy Grip via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:02 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Sriram, that brings up my next question. The channel planning model for reuse is great for Idealtown, located on a flat plain where one can permit and build POPs on a tidy rectilinear grid. (This may be just west of Rolling Meadows). I wonder about the utility of channel reuse in say, Realtown, where the topology is quite bumpy, forestation is patchy, and the operator takes what he can get in the way of locations for POPs. This is pretty much my situation, and probably plenty of other folks’ too. I’m trying to think of a broad rule set for channel planning in those conditions. For instance, I’m planning to expand into an area with existing structures (silos). In the attached image I’ve modeled coverage in Radio Mobile with an RSSI of –66dBm or better at the SM, assuming an ePMP AP/90°sector at power limit for max modulation and Force (25dBi) SMs (antenna pattern is just an omni for planning purposes). Max cell radius is 6km. This is over actual topology, of course, and using a publicly available ground cover (clutter) database, so it should be a pretty good prediction of which POP gets best signal to a given location. Each POP has its own color, with some reuse where it wouldn’t be confusing. (This is RM’s “combined cartesian” coverage, so there are plenty of locations where more than one POP can provide better than -66, but the POP with the strongest SS gets to put its color on the pixel.) Some of the POPs won’t want a full 4-sector deployment, but many, probably most, will. Am I better off, generally speaking, with the recommended 4-channel model, with two of the four channels on each POP (and the other two channels on the adjacent POP) than I am with the two channel model? And if so, would I just maintain the same azimuths for all of the POPs—e.g. channel A always at 0° and 180° and C at 90° and 270 ° on POPs 1,3, 5…, then channel B always at 0° and 180° and D at 90° and 270 ° on POPs 2,4,6…? Then maybe we could just leave out unnecessary AP quadrants on POPs where they weren’t going to do any good. Is there any reason to try the ABAB reuse model if four channels are available? Does the necessity of setting Frequency Reuse “Front” and “Back” go away in the ABCD model—and can anyone explain just what that’s doing? Whew. Oh, yeah—can you just software switch between the GPS timing signal on the (internal patch or) local GPS port and the signal on the Cat5/6 from a CMM, if you want that kind of redundancy? *From:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sriram Chaturvedi via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 5:45 PM *To:* That One Guy via Af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Hi, Yes, the GPS chip comes with an internal patch antenna. The internal patch antenna is automatically disabled
Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor: Loss of sync
A little out of order: On the OID's .. you may have the wrong OID. There is an oid for the title strings, and an oid for the value. You may want to check the oid you are using. In addition, on the strings tab, there *are* strings which list the specific statellite and signal strength of all of the sats it is receiving a signal from. One more troubleshooting item is the 'pulse received' counter on the analog tab. It should increment once and exactly once per second. I've had good luck comparing this value over a specific time. I.E. at exactly 10 minutes, there should be exactly 600 more pulses. As far as fixing it: I'd move the syncpipe, then try a different one. If a second does the same thing, then we need to look at what else might be causing it. If you want to send in screenshots to cust...@packetflux.com of the boolean/analog/string tabs from the sitemonitor, I might be able to see something. -forrest On Sep 29, 2014 1:40 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One of our many locations where we're using a Packetflux sync pipe/injector seems to be losing satellite lock once every few days. Typically it loses it for 2 to 4 seconds, but I've seen at least once where it went 13 seconds. I've not been able to get useful information from the SiteMonitor because the satellites tracked/Visible OIDs are returning a string with Sats in View and Num Sats Used instead of the actual values. (is that a bug or what? This is on F/W Jul 29 2012). However, I'm getting messages like this in the AP logs: 09/21/2014 : 07:49:00 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 09/21/2014 : 07:49:04 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/23/2014 : 18:49:37 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 09/23/2014 : 18:49:41 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/23/2014 : 18:49:55 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 09/23/2014 : 18:49:59 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/24/2014 : 18:47:15 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 09/24/2014 : 18:47:28 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/27/2014 : 07:24:18 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 09/27/2014 : 07:24:20 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. Not sure what I might do here. This is with all the equipment up against a concrete wall, so there is only a 180 degree view of the sky. Maybe a little bit less than that because the wall is not flat, maybe about 170 degree view of the sky. The APs are PMP450, and rarely get a GPS lock on the internal GPS. Maybe I can try moving the sync pipe away from the wall or something. -- bp
Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
Oh yeah, I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. That's the big news here. -forrest On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone see this? http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=20adv_date=09262014facId=DCC/ZAUtitle=ZAU+GROUND+STOPtitleDate=09/26/14 . ZAU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Air_Route_Traffic_Control_Center is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), which covers http://www.fly.faa.gov/Information/west/zau/zau.htm northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. There are two sides at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYY http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary/Chicago_International_Airport, MKE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Mitchell_International_Airport, RFD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Rockford_International_Airport, PIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Wayne_A._Downing_Peoria_International_Airport, and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Midway_International_Airport and O'Hare International http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Hare_International_Airport, one of the busiest airports in the world. On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom room, destroying 23 of the 29 http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide traffic through the busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager had no choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center http://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/usmap.jsp and reported ATC ZERO -- no controllers available, control center offline.
Re: [AFMUG] 48Vdc DC to DC (regulator)
You want a meanwell RSD series converter. Rsd-200c-48 I believe will work depending on load. In the part number: 200 is the wattage. C is the input voltage. 48 is the output. You'll want to double check but the part number I provided should be a 200w 48 to 48 supply. There are ones available with different wattage and input and output voltages. On Oct 2, 2014 2:50 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi Gang, We have a 48Vdc Solar site that the solar charge controller when it goes into absorption mode the battery array voltage exceeds 60Vdc. However we have some equipment that doesn't like more than 60Vdc. What product are you using to supply a clean 48Vdc (no more that 300 Watts is needed) Thanks! -sean
Re: [AFMUG] 48Vdc DC to DC (regulator)
Correct absorption charge for an AGM 48v battery array at freezing is around 61v. (15.3v per 12v battery) On Oct 2, 2014 8:16 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think it might be because it's cold here now and the charger compensates for battery temp. I'll check the controller manual again tho because I thought that voltage was high too. On Thursday, October 2, 2014, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 60V seems high, copied verbatim from the datasheet for a typical powersonic 12V AGM battery (12V): Limit initial current to 1.2A. Charge until battery voltage (under charge) reaches 14.4 to 14.7 volts at 68°F (20°C). Hold at 14.4 to 14.7 volts until current drops to under 50mA. Battery is fully charged under these conditions, and charger should be disconnected or switched to “float” voltage. “Float” or “Stand-By” Service: Hold battery across constant voltage source of 13.5 to 13.8 volts continuously. When held at this voltage, the battery will seek its own current level and maintain itself in a fully charged condition so multiply by four, 14.4V x 4 = 57.6V max voltage at absorption charging or 14.7V x 4 = 58.8V On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Many new solar controllers will let you program the absorption voltage. We just started using an MPPT controller from Midnite solar, and all the different voltages are programmable per the battery manufacturer's specification. bp On 10/2/2014 12:50 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: Hi Gang, We have a 48Vdc Solar site that the solar charge controller when it goes into absorption mode the battery array voltage exceeds 60Vdc. However we have some equipment that doesn't like more than 60Vdc. What product are you using to supply a clean 48Vdc (no more that 300 Watts is needed) Thanks! -sean
Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor: Loss of sync
There are several rules in the current GPS chipset about whether or not it can produce sync. If you have 4 they can definitely produce sync. Less than 4 is somewhat hit or miss depending on the exact orientation of the satellites, and often more miss than hit. I don't really have control over this algorithm so I can't be more specific. If you can move that one slightly so it's getting on average 1-2 more sats tracked, then your problem should go away. -forrest On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Monitoring Sync Events works. Had to wait 5 days for it to happen, but the counter increment corresponds to a loss of sync we had yesterday. I found this in the AP event log (event of interest in blue): 09/27/2014 : 07:24:19 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 09/27/2014 : 07:24:23 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 10/02/2014 : 12:21:45 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 10/02/2014 : 12:21:51 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. We also monitor visible/tracked satellites on that SiteMonitor. Interestingly, the satellites tracked at about that time was 4 (see marked up graph below). I suppose it's possible that the tracked satellites went to zero one minute (or less) after the SNMP poll, but it seems rather weird. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the SiteMonitor only needed one satellite to maintain timing after it acquired a 3D fix? bp On 9/29/2014 10:12 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Yes that value will increment when the injector detects a loss of sync and also when it's restored. These are definitely good values to monitor, and I know at least one customer which does as you suggest and monitors for a non zero value and resets the value to zero to clear the error. On Sep 29, 2014 7:23 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah. Not sure why I thought the index name was where I would get the value. The OID that shows in the UI for the Satellites Visible is: .1.3.6.1.4.1.32050.2.1.28.2.1 The OID for the actual value is .1.3.6.1.4.1.32050.2.1.28.5.1 So I was able to fix that part. What I'm wondering is how to know that We've had a loss in sync. There is something under Binary I/O called 1PPS Active. Seeing as we only poll once every 5 minutes, catching that going to zero seems slim to none. However, I am intrigued by the Events value. Does that increment every time the Syncpipe loses sync? In which case, I can zero it out, and set a threshold for whenever it is non-zero (see below). I may try that. bp On 9/29/2014 1:28 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: A little out of order: On the OID's .. you may have the wrong OID. There is an oid for the title strings, and an oid for the value. You may want to check the oid you are using. In addition, on the strings tab, there *are* strings which list the specific statellite and signal strength of all of the sats it is receiving a signal from. One more troubleshooting item is the 'pulse received' counter on the analog tab. It should increment once and exactly once per second. I've had good luck comparing this value over a specific time. I.E. at exactly 10 minutes, there should be exactly 600 more pulses. As far as fixing it: I'd move the syncpipe, then try a different one. If a second does the same thing, then we need to look at what else might be causing it. If you want to send in screenshots to cust...@packetflux.com of the boolean/analog/string tabs from the sitemonitor, I might be able to see something. -forrest On Sep 29, 2014 1:40 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One of our many locations where we're using a Packetflux sync pipe/injector seems to be losing satellite lock once every few days. Typically it loses it for 2 to 4 seconds, but I've seen at least once where it went 13 seconds. I've not been able to get useful information from the SiteMonitor because the satellites tracked/Visible OIDs are returning a string with Sats in View and Num Sats Used instead of the actual values. (is that a bug or what? This is on F/W Jul 29 2012). However, I'm getting messages like this in the AP logs: 09/21/2014 : 07:49:00 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 09/21/2014 : 07:49:04 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/23/2014 : 18:49:37 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 09/23/2014 : 18:49:41 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/23/2014 : 18:49:55 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 09/23/2014 : 18:49:59 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/24/2014 : 18:47:15
Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor: Loss of sync
It's hard to guess definitively, but I'd start there. Ideally, sticking it above the roofline would be even better. -forrest On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So you think moving it a foot or so out from the wall might help? bp On 10/3/2014 3:33 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: There are several rules in the current GPS chipset about whether or not it can produce sync. If you have 4 they can definitely produce sync. Less than 4 is somewhat hit or miss depending on the exact orientation of the satellites, and often more miss than hit. I don't really have control over this algorithm so I can't be more specific. If you can move that one slightly so it's getting on average 1-2 more sats tracked, then your problem should go away. -forrest On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Monitoring Sync Events works. Had to wait 5 days for it to happen, but the counter increment corresponds to a loss of sync we had yesterday. I found this in the AP event log (event of interest in blue): 09/27/2014 : 07:24:19 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 09/27/2014 : 07:24:23 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 10/02/2014 : 12:21:45 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 10/02/2014 : 12:21:51 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. We also monitor visible/tracked satellites on that SiteMonitor. Interestingly, the satellites tracked at about that time was 4 (see marked up graph below). I suppose it's possible that the tracked satellites went to zero one minute (or less) after the SNMP poll, but it seems rather weird. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the SiteMonitor only needed one satellite to maintain timing after it acquired a 3D fix? bp On 9/29/2014 10:12 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Yes that value will increment when the injector detects a loss of sync and also when it's restored. These are definitely good values to monitor, and I know at least one customer which does as you suggest and monitors for a non zero value and resets the value to zero to clear the error. On Sep 29, 2014 7:23 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah. Not sure why I thought the index name was where I would get the value. The OID that shows in the UI for the Satellites Visible is: .1.3.6.1.4.1.32050.2.1.28.2.1 The OID for the actual value is .1.3.6.1.4.1.32050.2.1.28.5.1 So I was able to fix that part. What I'm wondering is how to know that We've had a loss in sync. There is something under Binary I/O called 1PPS Active. Seeing as we only poll once every 5 minutes, catching that going to zero seems slim to none. However, I am intrigued by the Events value. Does that increment every time the Syncpipe loses sync? In which case, I can zero it out, and set a threshold for whenever it is non-zero (see below). I may try that. bp On 9/29/2014 1:28 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: A little out of order: On the OID's .. you may have the wrong OID. There is an oid for the title strings, and an oid for the value. You may want to check the oid you are using. In addition, on the strings tab, there *are* strings which list the specific statellite and signal strength of all of the sats it is receiving a signal from. One more troubleshooting item is the 'pulse received' counter on the analog tab. It should increment once and exactly once per second. I've had good luck comparing this value over a specific time. I.E. at exactly 10 minutes, there should be exactly 600 more pulses. As far as fixing it: I'd move the syncpipe, then try a different one. If a second does the same thing, then we need to look at what else might be causing it. If you want to send in screenshots to cust...@packetflux.com of the boolean/analog/string tabs from the sitemonitor, I might be able to see something. -forrest On Sep 29, 2014 1:40 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One of our many locations where we're using a Packetflux sync pipe/injector seems to be losing satellite lock once every few days. Typically it loses it for 2 to 4 seconds, but I've seen at least once where it went 13 seconds. I've not been able to get useful information from the SiteMonitor because the satellites tracked/Visible OIDs are returning a string with Sats in View and Num Sats Used instead of the actual values. (is that a bug or what? This is on F/W Jul 29 2012). However, I'm getting messages like this in the AP logs: 09/21/2014 : 07:49:00 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync pulse from Power Port! No other sync source available. 09/21/2014 : 07:49:04 PDT : : Bridge Core : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port. 09/23/2014 : 18:49:37 PDT : : Bridge Core : Loss of sync
Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity
I guess the other question I should have asked is If $75 isn't doable, what price target do I have to meet to make it doable?. I don't have a straightforward way to get below the $75 price today, but I don't really even have a idea what the ideal target price would be. I've also considered adding surge supression to this to help soften the blow, but then you have the challenge that surge supression should be outside the home, and power injection should be inside. -forrest On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Chris Fabien via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'd say you are correct. Would love to have the functionality but even at $75 I couldn't justify the cost. On Oct 5, 2014 5:08 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Following up on the previous email about product ideas, I have an idea for a product which at least I think would be really cool, but I also think would likely be a big flop, just because of the apparent cost sensitivity of installs. It seems to me that it would be nice to replace the power injector at customer sites with more of an intelligent device. One that provides functionality like traffic metering, cable diagnostics, customer-location speed tests, and so on. The unit would have jacks for the radio, the customer equipment, and power. It would also have a display which shows real-time usage data for the customer to be able to determine for themselves what their current internet consumption is. There are a lot of natural outgrowths from this such as watchdog reset of the radio itself, automatic problem notification to the WISP, etc. My goal would be to instrument this as much as possible. If you think of this as a 'smart power meter' for internet, with diagnostic tools built in, then you've got the basic idea. This is not intended to replace the customer router/nat device, and will only be a Layer 2 device as far as traffic goes. There will likely be some limited traffic shaping possible based on the underlying ethernet swtich chipset. Unfortunately, these can't be a $20 device. $75 might be doable for higher volumes, but $100 is more in the comfort zone for the volumes I typically move. Of course, this is a CPE device and I'm not even sure how many I'd sell so these prices are guesses at best - but more likely to go down instead of up. Although I suspect most people would love to have one of these at each install, I have a hard time believing that most people would swallow adding even $75 to the cost of each install, let alone the $100 which might be the price I'd have to hit for lower volume. Is this a fair assumption? Would you add such a device to each install?
Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity
That's sort of the thought process I was headed towards. With my preference to not entering that already way too crowded market. There are already three vendors that I know of in that space, and I don't feel like trying to compete with the vendors that have way more volume than I could attain. On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Keefe John via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The only way to make this price doable is if it is a router too like Netonix's new device. Keefe On 10/5/2014 4:08 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Following up on the previous email about product ideas, I have an idea for a product which at least I think would be really cool, but I also think would likely be a big flop, just because of the apparent cost sensitivity of installs. It seems to me that it would be nice to replace the power injector at customer sites with more of an intelligent device. One that provides functionality like traffic metering, cable diagnostics, customer-location speed tests, and so on. The unit would have jacks for the radio, the customer equipment, and power. It would also have a display which shows real-time usage data for the customer to be able to determine for themselves what their current internet consumption is. There are a lot of natural outgrowths from this such as watchdog reset of the radio itself, automatic problem notification to the WISP, etc. My goal would be to instrument this as much as possible. If you think of this as a 'smart power meter' for internet, with diagnostic tools built in, then you've got the basic idea. This is not intended to replace the customer router/nat device, and will only be a Layer 2 device as far as traffic goes. There will likely be some limited traffic shaping possible based on the underlying ethernet swtich chipset. Unfortunately, these can't be a $20 device. $75 might be doable for higher volumes, but $100 is more in the comfort zone for the volumes I typically move. Of course, this is a CPE device and I'm not even sure how many I'd sell so these prices are guesses at best - but more likely to go down instead of up. Although I suspect most people would love to have one of these at each install, I have a hard time believing that most people would swallow adding even $75 to the cost of each install, let alone the $100 which might be the price I'd have to hit for lower volume. Is this a fair assumption? Would you add such a device to each install?
Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity
That was one of the three vendors that I was counting when I said there were already three vendors I know of in that space. On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why not use a Mikrotik router with the POE out option ? *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af *Sent:* Sunday, October 05, 2014 5:44 PM *To:* af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity That's sort of the thought process I was headed towards. With my preference to not entering that already way too crowded market. There are already three vendors that I know of in that space, and I don't feel like trying to compete with the vendors that have way more volume than I could attain. On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Keefe John via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The only way to make this price doable is if it is a router too like Netonix's new device. Keefe On 10/5/2014 4:08 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Following up on the previous email about product ideas, I have an idea for a product which at least I think would be really cool, but I also think would likely be a big flop, just because of the apparent cost sensitivity of installs. It seems to me that it would be nice to replace the power injector at customer sites with more of an intelligent device. One that provides functionality like traffic metering, cable diagnostics, customer-location speed tests, and so on. The unit would have jacks for the radio, the customer equipment, and power. It would also have a display which shows real-time usage data for the customer to be able to determine for themselves what their current internet consumption is. There are a lot of natural outgrowths from this such as watchdog reset of the radio itself, automatic problem notification to the WISP, etc. My goal would be to instrument this as much as possible. If you think of this as a 'smart power meter' for internet, with diagnostic tools built in, then you've got the basic idea. This is not intended to replace the customer router/nat device, and will only be a Layer 2 device as far as traffic goes. There will likely be some limited traffic shaping possible based on the underlying ethernet swtich chipset. Unfortunately, these can't be a $20 device. $75 might be doable for higher volumes, but $100 is more in the comfort zone for the volumes I typically move. Of course, this is a CPE device and I'm not even sure how many I'd sell so these prices are guesses at best - but more likely to go down instead of up. Although I suspect most people would love to have one of these at each install, I have a hard time believing that most people would swallow adding even $75 to the cost of each install, let alone the $100 which might be the price I'd have to hit for lower volume. Is this a fair assumption? Would you add such a device to each install?
Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
Hmm.. your first suggestion sounds oddly familar. Some of the next two are in the works. Nothing ready to announce in this public of forum. But think tower-side control. And more i/o types. The last four... well, now those would be popular, wouldn't they? On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How about an all-in-one tower device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection with fiber conversion. Seriously, I would think that if you adopted some of features RMS has that you do not have it could help. Perhaps a watchdog feature the cycles the power to the AP if it cannot ping google for 15 minutes. I dunno, just brainstorming a bit. I personally always want more telemetry, more voltage inputs. More isolation on the voltage inputs. Solar charge controller built into some of your other stuff? Competitor jammer. Pan tilt rifle remote. Active denial transmitter. AP seeking missile launcher. *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 05, 2014 2:19 PM *To:* af af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list. With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux. We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them. A couple of these have appeared on the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules. So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly looking for products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or even better at every customer location. I know these product ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them. Feel free to throw ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into. One final note - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber conversion, etc.. I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that desire. There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but there are many hurdles left to make it a reality. If there's a simplified version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us. So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with them. -forrest
Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
How would this work? You mean something like a 3 port ethernet switch? I.E. for a radio and a AP? Trying to understand the use and logic here... -forrest On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:06 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Somthing easy to make that gets asked for on the list I noticed would be a POE Y cable that would allow you to put 2 radios on a customers house/tower with only 1 cable going into the house — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How about an all-in-one tower device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection with fiber conversion. Seriously, I would think that if you adopted some of features RMS has that you do not have it could help. Perhaps a watchdog feature the cycles the power to the AP if it cannot ping google for 15 minutes. I dunno, just brainstorming a bit. I personally always want more telemetry, more voltage inputs. More isolation on the voltage inputs. Solar charge controller built into some of your other stuff? Competitor jammer. Pan tilt rifle remote. Active denial transmitter. AP seeking missile launcher. *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 05, 2014 2:19 PM *To:* af af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list. With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux. We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them. A couple of these have appeared on the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules. So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly looking for products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or even better at every customer location. I know these product ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them. Feel free to throw ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into. One final note - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber conversion, etc.. I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that desire. There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but there are many hurdles left to make it a reality. If there's a simplified version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us. So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with them. -forrest
Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
The problem is that 10/100+Passive PoE needs all 8 wires, typically - 2 pairs for data + 2 pairs for power. So simple splitting isn't going to get you very far. You could probably put an adapter both ends and do some sort of 10/100+PoE on 2 pair and convert it back to 4 pair. But then you're limited at 10/100, no gigabit. Not sure this is what people would want with everyone moving to gigabit. -forrest On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:28 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: No switching needed DIY would be to use 3 wire scotch locks on all wires at the top then you would have 2 ends at top and 1 end at bottom as I'm typing this I'm realizing the issues doing it that way but you can figure it out I'm sure.. — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm still looking for a rugged portable rechargeable power supply with a built in speaker and wifi AP for the installers to use to power and aim CPE. We cobble stuff up with rechargeable flashlights and electrical tape. It's not pretty. I would buy multiple units if the price is $200. Mark *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID* Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list. With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux. We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them. A couple of these have appeared on the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules. So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly looking for products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or even better at every customer location. I know these product ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them. Feel free to throw ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into. One final note - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber conversion, etc.. I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that desire. There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but there are many hurdles left to make it a reality. If there's a simplified version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us. So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with them. -forrest
Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
This might be doable. My main concern is where to set the cost so that (quantity sold) * (price per unit) (cost to develop and manufacture said quantity). Or if that condition is even achievable. Are you envisioning the audio to come from the radio ... I.E. on canopy plug into that second alignment port? -forrest On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm still looking for a rugged portable rechargeable power supply with a built in speaker and wifi AP for the installers to use to power and aim CPE. We cobble stuff up with rechargeable flashlights and electrical tape. It's not pretty. I would buy multiple units if the price is $200. Mark *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID* Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list. With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux. We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them. A couple of these have appeared on the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules. So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly looking for products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or even better at every customer location. I know these product ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them. Feel free to throw ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into. One final note - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber conversion, etc.. I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that desire. There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but there are many hurdles left to make it a reality. If there's a simplified version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us. So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with them. -forrest
Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
There are some licensed ones out there which approach that. But generally they're not powered via PoE. The highest I can point to quickly is in the 80W category for single radio configurations. I swear I've seen one at 110W, but most of the licensed units I'm looking at quickly are around 80W. -forrest On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What radio needs 150w? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas This is actually in the category of what I'm expending a fair bit of RD on right now. The challenge comes cost. 150watt per port is very expensive to do when factoring in the DC-DC conversion. 20W is easy. 50W is a bit harder. 150W gets very expensive quickly. As a result, I'm thinking somewhat modular, i.e. pick/choose. I also have to be mindful of the competitors in the space, in that I want to be different in the right ways. The power injection/switching space is quite crowded. -forrest On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Our infrastructure sites look like this: Shielded Cables - 8 or 24port shielded patch panel - APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules - PoE Injectors - Switch / Router PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch. pipe dream I know this probably is not feasible but What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24 gigabit port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has web/snmp function built in). It takes AC power and can output DC to each type of device. This device would be software configurable for power type and has apc masterswitch functionality. It would need to support up to 150watt per port for WiMAX and Licensed Link Radios. It would need to support from 12vdc to 56vdc output. If there was a model that also supported power out to a few (4) AC outlets I wouldn't even need an APC Masterswitch. The goal is to replace all those PoE injectors which don't mount in a rack or on a din rail in a box. /pipe dream Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/05/2014 01:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list. With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux. We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them. A couple of these have appeared on the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules. So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly looking for products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or even better at every customer location. I know these product ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them. Feel free to throw ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into. One final note - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber conversion, etc.. I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that desire. There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but there are many hurdles left to make it a reality. If there's a simplified version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us. So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with them. -forrest
Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity
I'm assuming you mean the original idea, not the idea presented in the message you replied to ;) Yes, it occured to me that this might be a business-install type of product where you're more worried about uptime and availability instead of every penny of cost. Do you have any idea how many business installs you do on average? -forrest On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is the best idea I've ever heard for a WISP business invention. I LOVE the idea. It would be really hard to justify the cost on customer installs. I could see maybe bundling it into every business install. It also becomes one more reason why our business installs are better. We could power cycle it remotely, view statistics, etc. I think I could justify it on every business account. On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:47 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: A cap that keeps ants/worms on of SM for tree installs would be nice — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:45 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: then youre already putting in 5-20 dollars worth of cable, 20-35 dollars in surge protection. 5-15 dollars in mounting hardware in incidental costs aside from the CPE there isnt really much breathing room for residential 29-39 dollar connections. Especially in cases like us who eat the CPE cost. The reality is it would be just one more piece of equipment for customers to plug in incorrectly, or even better, completely bypass. That being said, I want it, and I want it to display the MAC address of the attached device so that when a customer gets a new router to self provision they can look on the display and know what it is, we still have CS staff telling them to look on the sticker on the router.. fucking dipshits. E On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Honestly, a RB2011 fills that niche pretty well. Lock the LCD to display only WAN bandwidth, and disable the touchscreen. Techs can log into the RB2011 with the admin credentials and check on the wireless clients, interface errors, run speed tests (tcp) to the headend of your network, etc. $5/mo for router management a month is what we charge, and the people that have the service love it. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/05/2014 01:18 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: I would love to find a router that has poe output and all of the diagnostic features you mentioned. It would be nice if the customer could just look at the router to see the status of the connection up down or otherwise. On Oct 5, 2014 2:13 PM, Chris Fabien via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'd say you are correct. Would love to have the functionality but even at $75 I couldn't justify the cost. On Oct 5, 2014 5:08 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Following up on the previous email about product ideas, I have an idea for a product which at least I think would be really cool, but I also think would likely be a big flop, just because of the apparent cost sensitivity of installs. It seems to me that it would be nice to replace the power injector at customer sites with more of an intelligent device. One that provides functionality like traffic metering, cable diagnostics, customer-location speed tests, and so on. The unit would have jacks for the radio, the customer equipment, and power. It would also have a display which shows real-time usage data for the customer to be able to determine for themselves what their current internet consumption is. There are a lot of natural outgrowths from this such as watchdog reset of the radio itself, automatic problem notification to the WISP, etc. My goal would be to instrument this as much as possible. If you think of this as a 'smart power meter' for internet, with diagnostic tools built in, then you've got the basic idea. This is not intended to replace the customer router/nat device, and will only be a Layer 2 device as far as traffic goes. There will likely be some limited traffic shaping possible based on the underlying ethernet swtich chipset. Unfortunately, these can't be a $20 device. $75 might be doable for higher volumes, but $100 is more in the comfort zone for the volumes I typically move. Of course, this is a CPE device and I'm not even sure how many I'd sell so these prices are guesses at best - but more likely to go down instead of up. Although I suspect most people would love to have one of these at each install, I have a hard time believing that most people would swallow adding even $75 to the cost of each install, let alone the $100 which might be the price I'd have to hit for lower volume. Is this a fair assumption? Would you add such a device to each install? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you
Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
150W is pretty hard to deliver via CAT5. Each wire is rated at .577 amps. Ignoring other concerns, this means at 48V, you get about 25 watts with a bit of margin, per wire. If you are sending the power up on two pairs, and returning it on the other two, this means you only have about 100W total you can do via CAT5 (110W with no margin).To do over 100W you have to use something else for the return path, say the tower or a ground wire - in which case you could send 200W up a CAT5 cable and return it via ground. Personally once you get that much power in a CAT5 cable it scares me. A LOT of voltage drop, challenges in injection methods, etc Most ethernet magnetics top out at about 25.5W for power on two pairs, and 51W for four. This also corresponds to the 802.3at spec. I guess if you're returning on ground, you can also get 102W. Right now I'm focusing on the 50W category (ok, maybe a smidgen more). -forrest On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Exalt ExtremeAir Radios draw 135watt average over PoE. Telrad Radios we use draw up to 150watt but usually around 120ish. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/05/2014 04:55 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: What radio needs 150w? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto: af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto: af@afmug.com Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas This is actually in the category of what I'm expending a fair bit of RD on right now. The challenge comes cost. 150watt per port is very expensive to do when factoring in the DC-DC conversion. 20W is easy. 50W is a bit harder. 150W gets very expensive quickly. As a result, I'm thinking somewhat modular, i.e. pick/choose. I also have to be mindful of the competitors in the space, in that I want to be different in the right ways. The power injection/switching space is quite crowded. -forrest On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Our infrastructure sites look like this: Shielded Cables - 8 or 24port shielded patch panel - APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules - PoE Injectors - Switch / Router PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch. pipe dream I know this probably is not feasible but What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24 gigabit port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has web/snmp function built in). It takes AC power and can output DC to each type of device. This device would be software configurable for power type and has apc masterswitch functionality. It would need to support up to 150watt per port for WiMAX and Licensed Link Radios. It would need to support from 12vdc to 56vdc output. If there was a model that also supported power out to a few (4) AC outlets I wouldn't even need an APC Masterswitch. The goal is to replace all those PoE injectors which don't mount in a rack or on a din rail in a box. /pipe dream Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/05/2014 01:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list. With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux. We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them. A couple of these have appeared on the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules. So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly looking for products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or even better at every customer location. I know these product ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them. Feel free to throw ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into. One final note - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery charging
Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
Are you talking about powering multiple radios from one PoE feed below, or multiple CPE's powering one radio? -forrest On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:11 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I would be interested in a device that's wall mount or tower mount that's a 3 or 4 port poe powered, poe pass thru ethernet switch, bonus for selectable polarity output. Double bonus for gigabit! On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:10 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Forrest, If the device was really really nice, had everything I talked about and maybe even wifi AP I would buy a few @ $500, $250 is more where I think it would be plausible. We would buy maybe 5 @ 250, obviously not a high volume thing. Updates, free would be nice but I wouldn't mind spending $50 each update for much enhanced functionality... Yes we are clipping the tab now. On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Exalt ExtremeAir Radios draw 135watt average over PoE. Telrad Radios we use draw up to 150watt but usually around 120ish. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/05/2014 04:55 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: What radio needs 150w? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto: af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto: af@afmug.com Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas This is actually in the category of what I'm expending a fair bit of RD on right now. The challenge comes cost. 150watt per port is very expensive to do when factoring in the DC-DC conversion. 20W is easy. 50W is a bit harder. 150W gets very expensive quickly. As a result, I'm thinking somewhat modular, i.e. pick/choose. I also have to be mindful of the competitors in the space, in that I want to be different in the right ways. The power injection/switching space is quite crowded. -forrest On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Our infrastructure sites look like this: Shielded Cables - 8 or 24port shielded patch panel - APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules - PoE Injectors - Switch / Router PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch. pipe dream I know this probably is not feasible but What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24 gigabit port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has web/snmp function built in). It takes AC power and can output DC to each type of device. This device would be software configurable for power type and has apc masterswitch functionality. It would need to support up to 150watt per port for WiMAX and Licensed Link Radios. It would need to support from 12vdc to 56vdc output. If there was a model that also supported power out to a few (4) AC outlets I wouldn't even need an APC Masterswitch. The goal is to replace all those PoE injectors which don't mount in a rack or on a din rail in a box. /pipe dream Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/05/2014 01:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list. With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux. We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them. A couple of these have appeared on the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules. So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly looking for products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or even better at every customer location. I know these product ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them. Feel free to throw ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into. One final note - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber conversion, etc
Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
Ok. Got it. I've also at one time or another thought that it would be neat to do it the other way for MTU settings. One radio on the roof, plugged into an ethernet switch and the whole thing powered from PoE from each tenant where only one tenant needed to have their poe plugged in to power on the whole device. -forrest On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:44 AM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I was talking about powering 1 CPE and 1 AP with 1 POE for micro pops — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 2:40 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 150W is pretty hard to deliver via CAT5. Each wire is rated at .577 amps. Ignoring other concerns, this means at 48V, you get about 25 watts with a bit of margin, per wire. If you are sending the power up on two pairs, and returning it on the other two, this means you only have about 100W total you can do via CAT5 (110W with no margin).To do over 100W you have to use something else for the return path, say the tower or a ground wire - in which case you could send 200W up a CAT5 cable and return it via ground. Personally once you get that much power in a CAT5 cable it scares me. A LOT of voltage drop, challenges in injection methods, etc Most ethernet magnetics top out at about 25.5W for power on two pairs, and 51W for four. This also corresponds to the 802.3at spec. I guess if you're returning on ground, you can also get 102W. Right now I'm focusing on the 50W category (ok, maybe a smidgen more). -forrest On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Exalt ExtremeAir Radios draw 135watt average over PoE. Telrad Radios we use draw up to 150watt but usually around 120ish. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/05/2014 04:55 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: What radio needs 150w? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto: af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto: af@afmug.com Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas This is actually in the category of what I'm expending a fair bit of RD on right now. The challenge comes cost. 150watt per port is very expensive to do when factoring in the DC-DC conversion. 20W is easy. 50W is a bit harder. 150W gets very expensive quickly. As a result, I'm thinking somewhat modular, i.e. pick/choose. I also have to be mindful of the competitors in the space, in that I want to be different in the right ways. The power injection/switching space is quite crowded. -forrest On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Our infrastructure sites look like this: Shielded Cables - 8 or 24port shielded patch panel - APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules - PoE Injectors - Switch / Router PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch. pipe dream I know this probably is not feasible but What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24 gigabit port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has web/snmp function built in). It takes AC power and can output DC to each type of device. This device would be software configurable for power type and has apc masterswitch functionality. It would need to support up to 150watt per port for WiMAX and Licensed Link Radios. It would need to support from 12vdc to 56vdc output. If there was a model that also supported power out to a few (4) AC outlets I wouldn't even need an APC Masterswitch. The goal is to replace all those PoE injectors which don't mount in a rack or on a din rail in a box. /pipe dream Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/05/2014 01:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list. With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux. We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them. A couple of these have appeared on the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules. So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions
Re: [AFMUG] how to use (2) CMM Micro and one GPS antenna ??
Thank you... saved me the time typing it from memory or looking it up. Although usually I'm telling people how to do this with a packetflux sync product. -forrest On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: it's in the cmm3.0 manual on page 48 the cambium site. On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have to hook up a CMM to a tower that already has a CMM on it, like today. There is a “timing” 6 pin connector on the CMM. Can that be used to bridge the sync to the 2nd CMM? If so, how would that be wired, and what setting would I make in the CMM(s) so that it would know to use it Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] packetflux sitemonitor multiple purpose monitoring
You can't set multiple IPs. NAT on a router in between your management and the devices may have a similar effect. I'm not sure how people are monitoring in powercode. Are you saying you can't have multiple probes destined toward the same IP address? How do they handle graphing say a 24 port switch with only 3-4 ports in use? If you have to create a 'probe' for each monitored device which lists everything to be monitored, I think you're stuck with the idea of a different type for each arrangement you have. -forrest On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 2:27 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: first - packetflux - your products rock, your documentation on the other hand. we are testing these currently for montoing/managing APC UPS and providing cambium sync We use powercode First, is there a way to set multiple IP addresses on a sitemonitor base unit? If that were possible it would resolve the issue Second, powercode monitoring is limited in its configuration, we cant create our own real time tools and the long term probe graphing requires a separate probe for each graph, no categorization or packaging so if we put in a sitemonitor that has both the APC add on module as well ans the sync module, we dont have a clean way to create monitoring tools in this case to have versatility without having a bunch of unused probes on each device we would have to create 4 separate device types. Stand alone Site Monitor, Site Monitor with sync, site monitor with APC monitor, site monitor with both, and then if we have two sync modules that is another, etc. Has anyone found a successful way of monitoring these? I really want to use them, I have a pile of them to use, but I need to monitor them in powercode -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Problem with Sync and link speed on 310 foot run with ePMP APs
I'd be curious if your experience was the same with say a cambium gigabit injector in there. Not quite Apples to apples but closer than a gigabit vs non gigabit injector. Midspan gigabit injectors definitely add some signal loss due to the Ethernet magnetics in the path. At least a couple dB. I've also noticed that certain surge suppressors are even more picky with the gigabit injectors. Not sure why. On Oct 7, 2014 2:30 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Just wanted to give a heads up on our experience with our first run at trying ePMPs at this distance of cable run. We mounted 4 5 Ghz and 4 2.4 Ghz ePMP APs today (a retrofit from 100 series APs). We have an existing CMM Micro that has been at the tower for 5 or 6 years. We needed more ports with Sync so we attempted to use a Gigabit Syncinjector for the additional ports we needed. We put the 2.4 Ghz radios on the CMM and put the 5 Ghz on the SyncInjector. The CMM and the “LAN facing” ports on the Syncinjector, powered by the same 5 AMP/24v power supply that we use for CTM’s, plugged into a 2011 Mikrotik router. The CMM works flawlessly, providing 100Mbit connections and sync . The SyncInjector… not so much. Initially, the symptoms were that 1 of the APs would only connect 10 Mbit and 1 different one would not get Sync.We tried swapping know good (successful on the CMM) cables, changing ports on the SyncInjector to make sure we didn’t have cable or AP related issues etc. Eventually, we lost ability to do Sync on any of the APs, and 2 of the 4 will only do 10 Mbit. Tried it with both 100Mbit and Gbit ports on the 2011, in auto or static Speed/Duplex configs. No go. The cables being used were both Best-Tronics and Toughcable Carrier. All the toughcables were premade to the 300 feet and tested inhouse at Gigabit speeds (TIK to TIK tests) Going to have to climb again tomorrow with a second CMM to swapout for the SyncInjector. We normally have very good luck with SyncInjectors but at 300 feet distance with the Gigabit models, we couldn’t make it work in this application. Cambium had “advised us” that there may be abnormal challenges with 300 ft. of cable on the ePMP. Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] CQ Forrest
Nope. Let me see if I can find it. On Oct 8, 2014 8:58 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hey Forrest, Send you a note off list a week or two ago. Did you see it?
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Battery Backup with email notification alert
If you're in that price range then you should be looking at the packetflux sitemonitor base unit also. On Oct 7, 2014 1:56 PM, Graham McIntire via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a Tycon web monitor ( http://tyconpower.com/Support/support_TPDIN-Monitor-WEB.htm ) at a site where I have this same issue -- I never know when the AC is out until the batteries die. I wrote a custom nagios check that polls for one of the voltage levels and will trigger an alert if it drops below a voltage threshhold. On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 7:52 AM, David via Af af@afmug.com wrote: LOL Ive done that on a couple of really remote sites. On 10/06/2014 04:27 PM, Dennis Burgess via Af wrote: Drop a MT 750 off the non battery side and drop a ip on it, .. monitor that IP, it goes off but not the rest, guess what you are on battery! � Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net � 314-735-0270 � www.linktechs.net � *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Monday, October 06, 2014 3:47 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cheapest Battery Backup with email notification alert � Have some temporary locations that I can�t secure well. � Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az.� 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net �
Re: [AFMUG] packetflux questions
I think you misunderstood. The sitemonitor remembers the devices to ensure the order of the oids remain the same. To end up with a specific order in the device there are two methods: Zero out a device you want to move to the end of the list and rescan. Or.. type the serial number of each device in the spot you want it and rescan. At boot or rescan it removes any zero serial numbers, and the second of any duplicates, condenses any remaining serials to the top of the list, preserving order, and then proceeds to scan the bus. Any units it finds it either marks as active if found in the list, or adds them to the end if not. The order it finds the modules is completely random, so the new modules appear in whatever order they happen to be found. On Oct 17, 2014 10:46 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: wont take the serials, I change them, but when i rescann it just adds another set of expansions with the original serial On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:37 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Set your preferred serial order, then rescan, reboot or power-cycle, doesn't matter. On 10/17/2014 12:31 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: are the serials set to the unit as in if I change them, then powercycle they will reset? It would sure be nice if the base unit could allow multiple IPs so you can assign the communication to each component seperately for SNMP purposes On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:27 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Nope, it's almost always random. You can set the serials in the order you want, then just issue a rescan.. move on with life. On 10/17/2014 12:25 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: ok, so now a new question I removed the devices set to 0, cleared them Then when I reconnected base unit-syncinjector-UPS its showing the index order as base unit-UPS-syncinjector Does it not go in the physical order they are connected? On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:21 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Jesus H Kittens My power supply was not connected, I didnt even think to look at that since the light was on, apparently that light is powered through the serial cable. Im a dumbass On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:17 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 6 flashes and the SyncPipe wouldn't power up means you didn't have the power input to the SyncInjector connected, or no power to it. The SyncInjector will either power its expansion bus by itself (if it has power on the input block) or it will take power from the base unit. That's why you could see it connected to the base, but it obviously needs its own power connected to power up radios and the SyncPipe. As everyone else has already said, to remove an expansion unit, just go into the expansion tab and set the device's serial to zero. Power down the base and physically remove the expansion unit from the bus. You should not be hot-plugging anything on the expansion bus. Forrest said it probably won't hurt anything, but just don't do it. On 10/17/2014 11:19 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I remember somebody asking this once before How do you clear a device from a base unit. We were testing a syncinjector then removed it and started testing a UPS moniter, but the base unit still shows the syninjector, we have powercycled, we have rescanned, still there. Also we have a syncpipe that when connected to the syncinjector does not light up, the syncinjector ports green light just keeps flashing 6 times Is there a better set of instructions somewhere for using this gear, the stuff on the packetflux website isnt complete or clear, maybe im just not looking in the right spot? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by
Re: [AFMUG] Cacti SiteMonitor: What did I break?
Just to be clear... all of the oids are responsive with the correct information when you use the oids and community string from cacti on a snmp get? If so, sounds like a cacti problem. There is of course the possibility that the oids are different after doing what you did, but that would show up as wrong data since cacti would be configured for the wrong oid. On Oct 23, 2014 11:29 AM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I noticed an Expansion Unit on one of my SiteMonitors this morning. It said something about Device Removed or something like that. Remembering the discussion the other day on this topic, I put a 0 in the Serial # for the non-existent unit, rescanned, rebooted. Now, none of the OIDs work in Cacti. If I do a simple snmpget on any of the OIDs that I use, the correct information comes back. Several of the OIDs are on the base unit anyway, so they would not have moved, and further, the OIDs don't reference the serial number. So... what did I do, and how do I fix it? -- bp
Re: [AFMUG] Packet Flux Generator Board Hookup
The inputs are good for 240v. On Oct 23, 2014 2:06 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a ticket into Packetflux support, but I thought someone here might have hooked one up. On the AC inputs for monitoring line/generator voltage/frequency. Are the 2 terminals on each AC input for hot/neutral wires? I.E. only a single phase 120v system. Or can you run 2 hots into each input, for a 2 Wire120/240v system, and it will monitor each leg? Just wanted to ask before I hook it up wrong and release some magic smoke. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] Packet Flux Generator Board Hookup
Each terminal pair can measure up to 240v. It comes down to what you need to monitor for failure. If your gen is backing up both sides, then you should bring both hots into that terminal.If it's backing up only one, then you should bring the same side you're backing up in with a neutral. That way if starting the gen and transferring would help you can detect it. On Oct 23, 2014 2:38 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: On each terminal? Or just a single 240v monitor? That's the part I'm confused on. Let's take input AC1 There are 2 terminals. My electric panel has 2 120v legs. Do I run 1 leg into each terminal, with no neutral connection to the board, or 1 leg into 1 terminal, and a neutral into the other? Nate On 10/23/2014 4:29 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: The inputs are good for 240v. On Oct 23, 2014 2:06 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a ticket into Packetflux support, but I thought someone here might have hooked one up. On the AC inputs for monitoring line/generator voltage/frequency. Are the 2 terminals on each AC input for hot/neutral wires? I.E. only a single phase 120v system. Or can you run 2 hots into each input, for a 2 Wire120/240v system, and it will monitor each leg? Just wanted to ask before I hook it up wrong and release some magic smoke. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] Cacti SiteMonitor: What did I break?
Before you do that I'd look at what is coming back via snap via a wireshark or similar. If you zeroed an expansion module in the middle of the list, then all of the oids for devices after that entry in the list would have shifted to a lower number. The sitemonitor assigns oids based on its knowledge of how many of each i/o type each device takes. It remembers this even if the device isn't attached anymore. By zeroing a device in the middle, it reassigns oids after that point in the table, since it doesn't have the zeroed device info as a placeholder. On Oct 24, 2014 12:01 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You think you're confused. I did not change the community string, and it works from the CLI and/or through the realtime plugin.� The device shows as UP, and I use SNMP or ping as up/down detection. I also tried changing the SNMP timeout to 1000 ms.� All that did was change the error log to this: 10/24/2014 11:29:22 AM - SPINE: Poller[0] Host[703] TH[1] DS[12223] WARNING: SNMP timeout detected [1000 ms], ignoring host '10.13.114.254' I've tried SNMP Uptime, SNMP Desc, and SNMP getNext as well.� On the Device Management screen, it retrieves the correct SNMP information.� The only think that seems to not be working is the polling through spine. I'm curious why zeroing the serial number of a non-existent expansion unit caused this problem. I've also rebooted the SiteMonitor at least a couple of times to no effect. My next thing will be to just replace the SiteMonitor with a spare.� It's all the way down in town, so that is a half-day time hit. bp On 10/24/2014 11:16 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: I am thoroughly confused. Is your community string correct? Can you increase the device SNMP timeout, like 1000ms instead of 250ms. What's your device down detection set to? Is it showing down in the device list? I have seen some base units go kinda screwy and respond slower and a reboot doesn't fix it, they needed a power-cycle. On 10/24/2014 11:25 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Now thrice. No joy in Mudville. bp On 10/24/2014 8:07 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Yah.� Twice now. bp On 10/23/2014 11:06 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: Gotta be the poller cache. Did you try a rebuild? On 10/23/2014 11:03 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Getting closer.� When I look in the SNMP cache, there is no entry for the device. Looking in the log (without debug), I get: 10/23/2014 08:34:25 PM - SPINE: Poller[0] Host[797 http://10.13.112.20/host.php?action=editid=797] TH[1] DS[12316 http://10.13.112.20/data_sources.php?action=ds_editid=12316] WARNING: SNMP timeout detected [250 ms], ignoring host '10.13.114.254' So there is something causing the SNMP request to barf inside cacti.� When I do an snmpget from the CLI, it all looks fine.� Likewise, the realtime plugin is working fine too. So when realtime is doing the SNMP queries outside the poller, they are fine.� Just when spine is doing the SNMP requests. bp On 10/23/2014 4:12 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: You divided by zero, didn't you? Are you sure your modules are in the same order as before? On 10/23/2014 1:29 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: I noticed an Expansion Unit on one of my SiteMonitors this morning.� It said something about Device Removed or something like that. Remembering the discussion the other day on this topic, I put a 0 in the Serial # for the non-existent unit, rescanned, rebooted. Now, none of the OIDs work in Cacti.� If I do a simple snmpget on any of the OIDs that I use, the correct information comes back. Several of the OIDs are on the base unit anyway, so they would not have moved, and further, the OIDs don't reference the serial number. So... what did I do, and how do I fix it?
Re: [AFMUG] Cacti SiteMonitor: What did I break?
Darn autocorrect. SNMP not snap. On Oct 24, 2014 12:32 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: Before you do that I'd look at what is coming back via snap via a wireshark or similar. If you zeroed an expansion module in the middle of the list, then all of the oids for devices after that entry in the list would have shifted to a lower number. The sitemonitor assigns oids based on its knowledge of how many of each i/o type each device takes. It remembers this even if the device isn't attached anymore. By zeroing a device in the middle, it reassigns oids after that point in the table, since it doesn't have the zeroed device info as a placeholder. On Oct 24, 2014 12:01 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You think you're confused. I did not change the community string, and it works from the CLI and/or through the realtime plugin.� The device shows as UP, and I use SNMP or ping as up/down detection. I also tried changing the SNMP timeout to 1000 ms.� All that did was change the error log to this: 10/24/2014 11:29:22 AM - SPINE: Poller[0] Host[703] TH[1] DS[12223] WARNING: SNMP timeout detected [1000 ms], ignoring host '10.13.114.254' I've tried SNMP Uptime, SNMP Desc, and SNMP getNext as well.� On the Device Management screen, it retrieves the correct SNMP information.� The only think that seems to not be working is the polling through spine. I'm curious why zeroing the serial number of a non-existent expansion unit caused this problem. I've also rebooted the SiteMonitor at least a couple of times to no effect. My next thing will be to just replace the SiteMonitor with a spare.� It's all the way down in town, so that is a half-day time hit. bp On 10/24/2014 11:16 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: I am thoroughly confused. Is your community string correct? Can you increase the device SNMP timeout, like 1000ms instead of 250ms. What's your device down detection set to? Is it showing down in the device list? I have seen some base units go kinda screwy and respond slower and a reboot doesn't fix it, they needed a power-cycle. On 10/24/2014 11:25 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Now thrice. No joy in Mudville. bp On 10/24/2014 8:07 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Yah.� Twice now. bp On 10/23/2014 11:06 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: Gotta be the poller cache. Did you try a rebuild? On 10/23/2014 11:03 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Getting closer.� When I look in the SNMP cache, there is no entry for the device. Looking in the log (without debug), I get: 10/23/2014 08:34:25 PM - SPINE: Poller[0] Host[797 http://10.13.112.20/host.php?action=editid=797] TH[1] DS[12316 http://10.13.112.20/data_sources.php?action=ds_editid=12316] WARNING: SNMP timeout detected [250 ms], ignoring host '10.13.114.254' So there is something causing the SNMP request to barf inside cacti.� When I do an snmpget from the CLI, it all looks fine.� Likewise, the realtime plugin is working fine too. So when realtime is doing the SNMP queries outside the poller, they are fine.� Just when spine is doing the SNMP requests. bp On 10/23/2014 4:12 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: You divided by zero, didn't you? Are you sure your modules are in the same order as before? On 10/23/2014 1:29 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: I noticed an Expansion Unit on one of my SiteMonitors this morning.� It said something about Device Removed or something like that. Remembering the discussion the other day on this topic, I put a 0 in the Serial # for the non-existent unit, rescanned, rebooted. Now, none of the OIDs work in Cacti.� If I do a simple snmpget on any of the OIDs that I use, the correct information comes back. Several of the OIDs are on the base unit anyway, so they would not have moved, and further, the OIDs don't reference the serial number. So... what did I do, and how do I fix it?
Re: [AFMUG] Cacti SiteMonitor: What did I break?
A power cycle and a reboot should be identical in almost every case. The reboot actually triggers a hardware reset internally in the processor, which should clear everything out. Of course as soon as I say that it is identical, someone will find an example where it is not. I'm not where I can look at the trace you sent, but I'm surprised it contains errors. I do know that the unit will return a response which may look like this if the oid is invalid. Did you adjust your oids in cacti after the removal of the mystery expansion unit from the table? If not, this is likely the problem. In regards to the unit being there grin the factory.. My guess is if you had this unit listed in there from the get go, then it probably was the expansion unit we use to test the expansion bus here. It's supposed to be factory reset before shipping but it would not shock me if it wasn't. We actually had a short period that a largish percentage went out not factory reset due to a tester software issue. Not really a problem but we hate to have them go out in any other state. On Oct 24, 2014 5:08 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You mean from the web GUI?� Sure. I presume a power cycle does something different from a reboot? I was always curious about this particular SiteMonitor, as it came up with the extra device on the expansion bus from the get-go.� I'd never worried about it, and then I saw the discussion about getting rid of old devices with the zeroed-serial trick. Don't go there!� It's a trap! bp On 10/24/2014 2:52 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: Can you post a screenshot of your expansion, binary and analog tabs? Also, I bet if you power-cycle it, it will be fine again. I was working with Forrest on a bug where the SyncInjector and some other newer modules would mysteriously disappear from the bus. He was able to reproduce and get a fixed up firmware load for the modules. Something about one thing booting up faster than another, or something like that. On 10/24/2014 4:41 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Gotcha! I removed all the Data Sources except one (PWR1).� Suddenly that data was making it into cacti. Then I added back in all the Data Sources coming _JUST_ from the SiteMonitor itself.� That also worked. Then I added in one of the Data Sources from the SyncInjector (sync events), which happens to be the only unit on the expansion bus past where I removed the non-existent unit.� This broke it again. So I have apparently uncovered a bug where removing a unit from the expansion bus (by zeroing the serial number) that causes the SiteMonitor to break SNMP responses.� I think it's probably just a bad checksum, but I will leave that up to him.� I forwarded the pcap trace to him. I will probably also swap out the SiteMonitor that has the problem. Thanks guys! bp On 10/24/2014 1:57 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Then again Not sure why I didn't notice this the first (or second) time.� Wireshark is telling me I have a malformed packet; either a broken header or bad checksum.� So even though the SNMP response is coming in with the expected data, it's getting dropped before is gets into cacti because of the malformed packet. This would explain why removing a unit on the expansion bus changed things... bp On 10/24/2014 1:32 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: OK. Confirmed.� The SiteMonitor is getting the SNMP requests, and it is responding with the expected values. I ran a pcap trace both at the SiteMonitor as well as at the ethernet port on the cacti server.� SNMP requests/responses are going both ways (and at both ends). In fact, spine appears to be doing 3 retries. One thing I didn't expect is that just before the SNMP requests, there are two attempts to open a telnet on the SiteMonitor.� Not sure where that is coming from, except perhaps for the Manage plugin (which I de-installed several weeks ago). So something is broken inside cacti.� How/why this was caused by zeroing a serial number from a non-existent expansion unit is completely baffling to me. I also have no clue how to fix it, because cacti thinks there was no response. bp On 10/24/2014 11:16 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: I am thoroughly confused. Is your community string correct? Can you increase the device SNMP timeout, like 1000ms instead of 250ms. What's your device down detection set to? Is it showing down in the device list? I have seen some base units go kinda screwy and respond slower and a reboot doesn't fix it, they needed a power-cycle. On 10/24/2014 11:25 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Now thrice. No joy in Mudville. bp On 10/24/2014 8:07 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Yah.� Twice now. bp On 10/23/2014 11:06 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: Gotta be the poller cache. Did you try a rebuild? On 10/23/2014 11:03 PM, Bill Prince via Af
Re: [AFMUG] Cacti SiteMonitor: What did I break?
They should be offset by a fixed amount. Ie subtract 4 On Oct 25, 2014 10:58 AM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think that may be it. The OID I was using is no longer valid. So the SNMP response that came back had numbers in it, but it also looks like the checksum was broken. Not clear to me why I thought I could do this without doing the index thing. I hate doing the index thing. bp On 10/24/2014 10:32 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: A power cycle and a reboot should be identical in almost every case. The reboot actually triggers a hardware reset internally in the processor, which should clear everything out. Of course as soon as I say that it is identical, someone will find an example where it is not. I'm not where I can look at the trace you sent, but I'm surprised it contains errors. I do know that the unit will return a response which may look like this if the oid is invalid. Did you adjust your oids in cacti after the removal of the mystery expansion unit from the table? If not, this is likely the problem. In regards to the unit being there grin the factory.. My guess is if you had this unit listed in there from the get go, then it probably was the expansion unit we use to test the expansion bus here. It's supposed to be factory reset before shipping but it would not shock me if it wasn't. We actually had a short period that a largish percentage went out not factory reset due to a tester software issue. Not really a problem but we hate to have them go out in any other state. On Oct 24, 2014 5:08 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You mean from the web GUI?� Sure. I presume a power cycle does something different from a reboot? I was always curious about this particular SiteMonitor, as it came up with the extra device on the expansion bus from the get-go.� I'd never worried about it, and then I saw the discussion about getting rid of old devices with the zeroed-serial trick. Don't go there!� It's a trap! bp On 10/24/2014 2:52 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: Can you post a screenshot of your expansion, binary and analog tabs? Also, I bet if you power-cycle it, it will be fine again. I was working with Forrest on a bug where the SyncInjector and some other newer modules would mysteriously disappear from the bus. He was able to reproduce and get a fixed up firmware load for the modules. Something about one thing booting up faster than another, or something like that. On 10/24/2014 4:41 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Gotcha! I removed all the Data Sources except one (PWR1).� Suddenly that data was making it into cacti. Then I added back in all the Data Sources coming _JUST_ from the SiteMonitor itself.� That also worked. Then I added in one of the Data Sources from the SyncInjector (sync events), which happens to be the only unit on the expansion bus past where I removed the non-existent unit.� This broke it again. So I have apparently uncovered a bug where removing a unit from the expansion bus (by zeroing the serial number) that causes the SiteMonitor to break SNMP responses.� I think it's probably just a bad checksum, but I will leave that up to him.� I forwarded the pcap trace to him. I will probably also swap out the SiteMonitor that has the problem. Thanks guys! bp On 10/24/2014 1:57 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Then again Not sure why I didn't notice this the first (or second) time.� Wireshark is telling me I have a malformed packet; either a broken header or bad checksum.� So even though the SNMP response is coming in with the expected data, it's getting dropped before is gets into cacti because of the malformed packet. This would explain why removing a unit on the expansion bus changed things... bp On 10/24/2014 1:32 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: OK. Confirmed.� The SiteMonitor is getting the SNMP requests, and it is responding with the expected values. I ran a pcap trace both at the SiteMonitor as well as at the ethernet port on the cacti server.� SNMP requests/responses are going both ways (and at both ends). In fact, spine appears to be doing 3 retries. One thing I didn't expect is that just before the SNMP requests, there are two attempts to open a telnet on the SiteMonitor.� Not sure where that is coming from, except perhaps for the Manage plugin (which I de-installed several weeks ago). So something is broken inside cacti.� How/why this was caused by zeroing a serial number from a non-existent expansion unit is completely baffling to me. I also have no clue how to fix it, because cacti thinks there was no response. bp On 10/24/2014 11:16 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: I am thoroughly confused. Is your community string correct? Can you increase the device SNMP timeout, like 1000ms instead of 250ms. What's your device down detection set
Re: [AFMUG] Cacti SiteMonitor: What did I break?
Most people end up with a set of three or four configurations. Ie sitemonitor plus a injector is one configuration, a sitemonitor by itself is another one. If you put the modules you don't ever monitor at the end of the list then you can reuse configurations. Ie, a sitemonitor and syncinjector is the same as a sitemonitor, syncinjector, and Poe as far as monitoring goes. On Oct 25, 2014 1:06 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: OK. I think I have an approach. The SiteMonitor plus all its expansion units is not the device. The device is the SiteMonitor plus the index of the expansion unit. For example: - SiteMonitor, index 0 is the SiteMonitor device - SiteMonitor, index 1 is the 4-port POE device - SiteMonitor, index 2 is the SyncInjector (first instance) - SiteMonitor, index 3 is the SyncInjector (second instance) and so on. So when you add a SiteMonitor, you just add the SiteMonitor. If you add another Packetflux expansion unit, you have to add it knowing which index (AKA slot) it is. Put the device in a different position, and you need to update the index. bp On 10/25/2014 10:52 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Yah. Except that the index moves around, depending on what's in front of it (e.g. 4-port POE versus an 8-port POE). So I can't depend on what index number I'll be using at any given installation. The index name will have to stay static if I ever hope to find it. Then again, if I install two of anything, there will be more than one index with the same description. Hmmm. How to do this. Maybe I do have to give each device a unique description, and then teach cacti to index on the unique description? bp On 10/25/2014 10:16 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: They should be offset by a fixed amount. Ie subtract 4 On Oct 25, 2014 10:58 AM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think that may be it. The OID I was using is no longer valid. So the SNMP response that came back had numbers in it, but it also looks like the checksum was broken. Not clear to me why I thought I could do this without doing the index thing. I hate doing the index thing. bp On 10/24/2014 10:32 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: A power cycle and a reboot should be identical in almost every case. The reboot actually triggers a hardware reset internally in the processor, which should clear everything out. Of course as soon as I say that it is identical, someone will find an example where it is not. I'm not where I can look at the trace you sent, but I'm surprised it contains errors. I do know that the unit will return a response which may look like this if the oid is invalid. Did you adjust your oids in cacti after the removal of the mystery expansion unit from the table? If not, this is likely the problem. In regards to the unit being there grin the factory.. My guess is if you had this unit listed in there from the get go, then it probably was the expansion unit we use to test the expansion bus here. It's supposed to be factory reset before shipping but it would not shock me if it wasn't. We actually had a short period that a largish percentage went out not factory reset due to a tester software issue. Not really a problem but we hate to have them go out in any other state. On Oct 24, 2014 5:08 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You mean from the web GUI?� Sure. I presume a power cycle does something different from a reboot? I was always curious about this particular SiteMonitor, as it came up with the extra device on the expansion bus from the get-go.� I'd never worried about it, and then I saw the discussion about getting rid of old devices with the zeroed-serial trick. Don't go there!� It's a trap! bp On 10/24/2014 2:52 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote: Can you post a screenshot of your expansion, binary and analog tabs? Also, I bet if you power-cycle it, it will be fine again. I was working with Forrest on a bug where the SyncInjector and some other newer modules would mysteriously disappear from the bus. He was able to reproduce and get a fixed up firmware load for the modules. Something about one thing booting up faster than another, or something like that. On 10/24/2014 4:41 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: Gotcha! I removed all the Data Sources except one (PWR1).� Suddenly that data was making it into cacti. Then I added back in all the Data Sources coming _JUST_ from the SiteMonitor itself.� That also worked. Then I added in one of the Data Sources from the SyncInjector (sync events), which happens to be the only unit on the expansion bus past where I removed the non-existent unit.� This broke it again. So I have apparently uncovered a bug where removing a unit from the expansion bus (by zeroing the serial number) that causes the SiteMonitor to break SNMP responses.� I think it's probably just
Re: [AFMUG] OT: LED bulbs at home
I've been replacing cf bulbs with the Cree led bulbs for about a year now. Great bulbs, no failures yet. One challenge with all of these devices is heat buildup in the fixture. Enclosed or vertical fixtures trap the heat from the electronics, causing the bulb temperature to rise, causing premature failure. This is typically the cause of cf early failure. Haven't seen this yet with led bulbs. On Nov 2, 2014 2:02 PM, Harold Bledsoe via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I've had good luck with Cree (no failures yet). They are under $10 typically for a 60w. -Hal On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone using LED replacement bulbs in their house yet? Seems like a good idea for a couple lights I have that burn 24/7, but at $20/bulb and the CFL debacle, I want to get this right the first time. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ -- Harold Bledsoe
Re: [AFMUG] Viva Kari Byron
I just watched the last episode myself tonight. Haven't watched the entire last season yet, just that particular episode sounded interesting. Personally, as much as I'll miss the second build team, I suspect the change will overall be positive. The show over the years has for me lost some of it's charm as the teams have gained experience. Early on there was a lot of experimentation done to figure out how to actually replicate a myth. This either isn't done or isn't shown anymore. There seems to be a movement to.bring the experimentation back. If this is the direction they're taking then I can see how a single build team can generate enough footage to fill a episode, as I know that a lot of this type of footage already ends up on the cutting room floor in the current format. For me, my favorite recent episode involved shooting ping pong balls at a very high velocity. Adam started by using their old standby the air cannon. A little ways into the episode he discovered through research a completely different method which worked even better by pulling a vacuum in a tube. This episode showed a lot of the experimentation necessary to accomplish their goal of testing their ping pong ball myth, and as a result came out being a lot like the early shows I really like. That said, Somehow I don't think we've seen the last of Grant, Tori, and Kari, who will definitely be missed. But, if their departure paves the way for an even better mythbusters, I'm all for it. On Nov 11, 2014 7:50 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Screw Jamie and Adam, we watch for Kari: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/889/445/308/bring-kari-byron-and-the-build-team-back-to-mythbusters/ I like Grant too, partially due to the fact he is the only one with an actual degree in science. Tory has a degree of Steve-O in him.
Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor Question
We have some firmware available to fix this. Send a email into cust...@packetflux.com to get a copy. On Nov 13, 2014 5:16 PM, Plexicomm Admin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So I have two SyncInjectors connected to this SiteMonitor. The second one will not communicate properly (see screen shot below). I tried rebooting the base, different jumpers, defaulting, no luck. All three items are brand new. Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor Question
Actually now I look more closely at the screenshots, this might not be the issue the firmware fixes, but let's start there since that fix may also fix this. On Nov 14, 2014 7:31 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have some firmware available to fix this. Send a email into cust...@packetflux.com to get a copy. On Nov 13, 2014 5:16 PM, Plexicomm Admin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So I have two SyncInjectors connected to this SiteMonitor. The second one will not communicate properly (see screen shot below). I tried rebooting the base, different jumpers, defaulting, no luck. All three items are brand new. Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Plug
I'd take the projector to radio shack if at all possible and have a go with the adaptaplug plugs. They often have a set of wires with the ends on them to try until one fits. I'm guessing size H. http://www.radioshack.com/enercell-adaptaplug-h/2730340.html The inside diameter is almost always more critical than the outside. The H is a 1.3mm inside, 3.4mm outside diameter plug. That can then be mated with something like: http://www.radioshack.com/enercell-adaptaplug-power-cord-6-ft-/2730348.html#start=26q=adaptaplugsz=12 If that isn't an option, I'd try a 1.3x3.5mm plug which is a standard size. The hole for a 3.5 plug is typically around 4mm, which might be why they're confused. See: http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/item/cb-310/6-cable-with-1.3mm-coax-power-plug/1.html http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/item/dcp-13/1.3mm-dc-co-ax-power-plug/1.html http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Kobiconn/171-3209/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtnOp%252bbbqA00%252brH%252bGhOEZAajCNZHgLVdrw%3d On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Does anyone know where I can find a standard 4.0 x 1.3mm 12 Volt power port, preferably with a pigtail? It's for the screen trigger output on an InFocus projector. That's what InFocus support said I needed to use and that it's available in any local electronics store. Well, it's not at Radio Shack. Google sure isn't being a lot of help either. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Where I am - I being Chuck McCown
Phew, I thought we (myself and Chuck) were somehow synchronized in our media viewing. First, I watched the same PVR'd episode of Mythbusters within a few hours of Chuck. Then, I'm checking my email after seeing Interstellar, only to be greeted by Chuck's reviews of the same. Fortunately, I'm not sitting in the Hunger Games tonight. -forrest On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Traci via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Please post this to the list. I am so special...
Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor discovery IP or factory reset
Unfortunately there's quite a few things which will break the tool. I've attached a .pdf which should cover all of them. Make sure you have the right tool as described, and if you have problems afterwards let me know. -forrest PacketFluxFactoryReset.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document
Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux Syncinjector - safe to run without SiteMonitor
They'll work just fine without a sitemonitor. Early syncinjectors ran standalone. They each had non-microcontroller based timing hardware in them, and adding sitemonitor control added a fair bit of cost. For a brief period, we actually had a version with this added on functionality, which we sold as a 'sitemonitor controlled syncinjector'. When we switched the design to the latest iteration (RevH), it was actually cheaper to use a microcontroller to control all of the timing. At which point, having them be able to be controlled and monitored by a sitemonitor was effectively free, so they got that capability by default, and the separate sitemonitor controlled syncinjectors ceased to exist. And as an aside, this 'work in standalone mode' is not confined to the syncinjectors. The vast majority of the sitemonitor products will actually work without a base unit attached. There's a couple which need a separate power supply, and a couple that don't make sense to use in standalone, but the rest are perfectly happy to do what they're supposed to without the base unit. -forrest On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a site where I'm providing DC up the tower and want to minimize products up there. Has anyone actually needed to use the SiteMonitor to...monitor...the sync status and find that information useful? I'm expecting it just simply stays synced and that's the end of it. On a side note I ordered two of them and didn't get this supposed din rail mounting kit. Is that expected? http://store.packetflux.com/gigabit-syncinjector-for-24-volt-cambium-radios/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Sync Pipe and UGPS Power
I didn't realize the PTP450 didn't have gigabit ethernet in it. In that case, there's always a syncpipe parasitic. Yes, one more (short) cable, but functionally similar to the uGPS.I.E. uGPS = cable from poe injector to radio and cable from radio to uGPS. Parasitic = cable from PoE injector to parasitic, and *2* cables from parasitic to the radio. In the case where there's a syncinjector on site, you could also replace a syncpipe basic with a syncpipe deluxe and get two timing ports (or with a syncbox 12 to get 12 timing ports), and still use the same GPS source as everything else. There is also the option of building a long version of the cable described at: http://manuals.packetflux.com/index.php?page=using-a-syncpipe-parasitic-with-a-syncinjector and running it from the sync expasnion output on the last syncinjector. -forrest On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don't think it would be a bad idea to have a SyncPipe type device powered by UGPS capable radios. Less cabling is a benefit. If sync-over-power takes a shit on an AP, it would be easy to toss a UGPS-like receiver on it. Etc. I think if it was the cost of a Basic pipe, that would be fine. And the PTP450 being SM hardware based, there's no GigE to worry about. It really sounds like Cambium needs to do a separate hardware spin for the PTP450 like they did for the 230 and add sync-over-power. On 11/24/2014 6:58 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: It's been a while since I looked at the uGPS and how it was powered, but yes, that's the general gist. I can't confirm the exact voltage or how the power appeared on the pins since it has been so long since I looked. I also can't remember the exact reason why I chose not to go down the path of building a syncpipe which could be powered off of a uGPS port, other than I have a vague recollection of the power supply circuitry being the reason - probably because the 5v is significantly lower than the 8-9V that a syncpipe will power on at. Due to the PTP450 issue I am looking at some additional sync over timing port options. Gigabit throws a wrench into a lot of the parasitically powered options, though. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So when you enable UGPS Power in options what does it do? Is 5 volt suddenly output on certain pins of the timing port? What pins? Nope. But you can use Forrest's SyncConverter to take the sync pulse from a CMM/CTM/SyncInjector and convert it to timing port at the radio. Or just put a Parasitic 'pipe on it. I asked Forrest about doing a SyncPipe that takes UGPS power. He said no. Maybe the cost of the serial power circuit, I don't know. On 11/24/2014 10:16 AM, Matt via Af wrote: I see the PTP230 and likely PTP450 have UGPS Power option. Is there a way to use this to power up a sync pipe? Still very very very disappointed the PTP450 does not support Sync over Power.
Re: [AFMUG] Sync Pipe and UGPS Power
Yes. The Ethernet ports are. On Nov 25, 2014 6:54 AM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I didn't realize the PTP450 didn't have gigabit ethernet in it. In that case, there's always a syncpipe parasitic. Yes, one more (short) cable, but functionally similar to the uGPS.I.E. uGPS = cable from poe injector to radio and cable from radio to uGPS. Parasitic = cable from PoE injector to parasitic, and *2* cables from parasitic to the radio. In the case where there's a syncinjector on site, you could also replace a syncpipe basic with a syncpipe deluxe and get two timing ports (or with a syncbox 12 to get 12 timing ports), and still use the same GPS source as everything else. There is also the option of building a long version of the cable described at: http://manuals.packetflux.com/index.php?page=using-a-syncpipe-parasitic-with-a-syncinjector and running it from the sync expasnion output on the last syncinjector. Does the syncpipe parasitic have shielded ethernet ports?
Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor discovery IP or factory reset
Josh,
The program runs just fine on every modern windows version. My development
computer is on 7.x until I replace it sometime in the next few months.
The test computers are all on a mix of 7 and 8. My laptop runs 8.0 (can't
get it to upgrade to 8.1).
I think what needs to happen is Microsoft and every other windows firewall
vendor needs to fix their *@#($* tcp/ip stack/firewall so someone needing
to write a program to send and receive a multicast packet under windows can
actually do so in a reliable, consistent fashion. Under XP, making this
happen was straightforward. Each successive windows version has made it
more difficult, and in some cases the necessary tools to make it work
consistently are simply not exposed in the windows API - especially when
you have a third party firewall involved.
The bootloader on the next iteration of the sitemonitor won't use multicast
for this reason. Unfortunately, we're stuck with it for the Base and Base
II units.
For the base II, there's a new version of the upgrade tool up at
http://manuals.packetflux.com/index.php?page=base-unit-ii-firmware which
tries to work through some of the more common firewall issues.
In addition, there is always the possibility that the ethernet port in the
affected units have failed. At least for the Base II, if you want to send
an email in to cust...@packetflux.com with the serial number and address
ifnormation, we'll issue a UPS call tag to pick up the unit and test it
here, fix it, and ship it back to you all at our cost. If you want to
include the original base unit in the package with a note 'please factory
reset if possible - see Forrest' attached to it, we'll also factory reset
that one if possible and ship it back to you - we just won't be able to do
any hardware fixes on it if that's what is needed.
-forrest
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Well if the option is newer laptop with bigger screen, memory, speed, etc
or working with PacketfluxI think Packetflux needs to fix their program
on Windows
*duck*
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I don't argue with things that work.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 11/26/2014 11:03 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
That's so 2001...and they're all tossed/sold/gone
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Maybe why it works for me. My field laptop is Windows XP. An old
reliable dog.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 11/26/2014 6:02 AM, Shayne Lebrun via Af wrote:
Find an old laptop running windows XP or (even better) Windows 2000.
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via Af
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 26, 2014 8:38 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor discovery IP or factory reset
I tried one of each. No combo worked.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 26, 2014 8:34 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Yeah, I must have missed that part. Is this one of the old site
monitors?
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 6:04 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
That was a base2 though right?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 26, 2014 12:59 AM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I actually had to use this tool on a site tonight. I used the new
Ethernet Upgrade Tool for windows, was directly connected to the Ethernet
port on my laptop. I pressed 'yeah I have read the blah blah blah' and
then hit discover, it told me to reboot. I disconnected power 1 and 2 for
a sec and when I plugged it back in it gave me the IP. Then I couldn't
figure out the SNMP so I had to use it again to reset, same process. It
worked perfectly both times.
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 7:28 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
Not sure what email address to use offlist...
I've done all that several times to confirm. I also went straight to
the NIC as well as trying a Netgear dumb switch (it had link light, doesn't
specify speed/duplex).
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:33 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af
af@afmug.com wrote:
Unfortunately there's quite a few things which will break the tool.
I've attached a .pdf which should cover all of them. Make sure you have
the right tool as described, and if you have problems afterwards let me
know.
-forrest
Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor discovery IP or factory reset
dumb switch (it had link light, doesn't specify speed/duplex). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:33 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Unfortunately there's quite a few things which will break the tool. I've attached a .pdf which should cover all of them. Make sure you have the right tool as described, and if you have problems afterwards let me know. -forrest
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and/or Gig SyncInjector problems
See http://tickets.packetflux.com/kb/faq.php?id=2 6 blinks = power missing/too low. And yes, you need a syncpipe. -forrest On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Here's a video, not sure what the blinking means? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dME8A-H_590 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: *rb2011 with ports 2/3/4/5 set to hardware switch (ether2 master, 3/4/5 slave). Ports 6/7/8/9 are hardware switch (ether6 master, 7/8/9 slave). *From the rb2011 it goes to the Ethernet half of the SyncInjector. *From the POE half of the SyncInjector it goes to WB gigeapc HV surge suppressors and then to the ePMP radios. Two of the ePMP radios are powered up and running gige. Neither are receiving CMM sync (top of the ePMP says Not receiving GPS sync). The remaining 6 APs aren't even powering up/linking up. Any ideas before I start swapping parts? Is it OK to have the surge between SyncInjectors and ePMP? On top of all of this the SiteMonitor isn't talking to the POE injector or the two Gig SyncInjectors. I have them all daisy chained and verified they're snapped in place. The POE injector is powering Ubnt radios just fine. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and/or Gig SyncInjector problems
There isn't a replaceable fuse inside. Generally water damage ends up corroding something which needs to be replaced. Right now, our warranty repairs seem to have dwindled to no defect found, lightning damage (good for engineering future products), and water damage causing connector corrosion (not sure what we can do to fix this problem). I'm also not quite sure what to do with the water damaged ones since that isn't really a product defect or something we are able to fix in future products through engineering. On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’ve popped a couple SyncInjectors due to water in one of the jacks (mounted with jacks facing up, I’ll never do that again). I take it there’s a replaceable fuse inside? I’ll have to open them up and see if I can fix them. *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:55 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and/or Gig SyncInjector problems So I just got back...fuse popped on that SyncInjector. Not sure why. There was a Ubnt Beam on it - the cable was moved to the POE injector and fuse replaced. SyncInjector is working as expected right now. Sure hoping Forrest can do next day shipping on Monday =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: See http://tickets.packetflux.com/kb/faq.php?id=2 6 blinks = power missing/too low. And yes, you need a syncpipe. -forrest On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Here's a video, not sure what the blinking means? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dME8A-H_590 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: *rb2011 with ports 2/3/4/5 set to hardware switch (ether2 master, 3/4/5 slave). Ports 6/7/8/9 are hardware switch (ether6 master, 7/8/9 slave). *From the rb2011 it goes to the Ethernet half of the SyncInjector. *From the POE half of the SyncInjector it goes to WB gigeapc HV surge suppressors and then to the ePMP radios. Two of the ePMP radios are powered up and running gige. Neither are receiving CMM sync (top of the ePMP says Not receiving GPS sync). The remaining 6 APs aren't even powering up/linking up. Any ideas before I start swapping parts? Is it OK to have the surge between SyncInjectors and ePMP? On top of all of this the SiteMonitor isn't talking to the POE injector or the two Gig SyncInjectors. I have them all daisy chained and verified they're snapped in place. The POE injector is powering Ubnt radios just fine. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and/or Gig SyncInjector problems
I'd have to look to see what the actual threshold is. BUT... 2A is my recollection as well since we have people using these at 12V, and at that low of a voltage the current goes up dramatically. There are only limited cases where any fuse will blow before the overcurrent protection. It all depends on the speed of the fuse and the current being drawn. -forrest On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 4:10 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Well if you plugged an UBNT radio into the SyncInjector, that will do it. Wrong polarity. What size fuse did you have on it? I'm putting 3A fuses on mine. Probably should just use 5A because 3A might be too small if I have four 3GHz 450APs on one injector. I think the SyncInjector solid-state overcurrent protection is 2A per port? On 11/29/2014 4:27 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: Not that I'm aware of. It was one of the fuses I have between my 24vdc supply and SyncInjectors, POE injectors, MTs, SiteMonitor. All 8 other fuses were fine, not sure what made this one pop. Running all day at this point... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I’ve popped a couple SyncInjectors due to water in one of the jacks (mounted with jacks facing up, I’ll never do that again). I take it there’s a replaceable fuse inside? I’ll have to open them up and see if I can fix them. *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:55 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and/or Gig SyncInjector problems So I just got back...fuse popped on that SyncInjector. Not sure why. There was a Ubnt Beam on it - the cable was moved to the POE injector and fuse replaced. SyncInjector is working as expected right now. Sure hoping Forrest can do next day shipping on Monday =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: See http://tickets.packetflux.com/kb/faq.php?id=2 6 blinks = power missing/too low. And yes, you need a syncpipe. -forrest On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Here's a video, not sure what the blinking means? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dME8A-H_590 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: *rb2011 with ports 2/3/4/5 set to hardware switch (ether2 master, 3/4/5 slave). Ports 6/7/8/9 are hardware switch (ether6 master, 7/8/9 slave). *From the rb2011 it goes to the Ethernet half of the SyncInjector. *From the POE half of the SyncInjector it goes to WB gigeapc HV surge suppressors and then to the ePMP radios. Two of the ePMP radios are powered up and running gige. Neither are receiving CMM sync (top of the ePMP says Not receiving GPS sync). The remaining 6 APs aren't even powering up/linking up. Any ideas before I start swapping parts? Is it OK to have the surge between SyncInjectors and ePMP? On top of all of this the SiteMonitor isn't talking to the POE injector or the two Gig SyncInjectors. I have them all daisy chained and verified they're snapped in place. The POE injector is powering Ubnt radios just fine. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today
Mine unfortunately is on the bottom right next to the drain plug. I've seen pictures of the top one and how easy it is. Mine not so much. I am getting to the point where I don't make near the mess I used to, guess I'm getting used to where it drains. On Nov 29, 2014 5:52 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So on the Subaru engine the oil filter sticks straight up. Does that make it incredibly easy to change or incredibly messy? *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:48 PM *To:* af af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today About the only place I'll have change the oil anymore is when I take the car in for the major service interval at the dealer. They carry the oil I use and I figure a genuine Subaru oil filter isn't any worse than the M1-108's I use normally. Other than that, it gets changed at home anymore. I've discovered that throwing a pan under the car and pulling the oil/plug filter takes so little time that it's actually faster for me to do it. I generally will do it before a trip out of town and will pull the oil filter/plug and then clean/vaccum the car out while the oil is draining. Once I'm done vaccumming, I put everything back together and refill the car with an appropriate amount of oil. Takes me less time than waiting at an instant lube place, and then I know what oil/filter is actually in/on the engine. Sadly, I haven't found anything fun drawn on my car's oil filter when it comes from the dealer. On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We bring Mobil 1 oil filters in when we have the local oil change place change the oil. Last oil change, neither my car or the work van had them on their when I looked about 3000 miles after the change. After some heated discussions concerning the theft of my oil filters and shenanigans that might require a review of whether they are really using Mobil1 1 oil, they changed both vehicles while I watched them open new bottles of oil in front of me. Fortunately this was the first time I used them, and the last time. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via Af *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:27 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today A local guy went out to change his oil today. Found a penis drawn on his oil filter. That filter had been installed by Jiffy Lube. Same company that billed us for an oil change a few years ago (fleet account) for a car that my business partner’s step daughter crashed and totaled a year before.
Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today
Mine goes back in the five quart container until the next recycling run to the dump. They have a spot you just drop it off. Easy. On Nov 29, 2014 7:15 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The biggest problem with home oil changes is getting rid of the oil. I used to do it but every time I would go to Auto Zone, Checker, etc… Their oil drum was always full. I finally gave up and just get the free car wash when I do it. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 6:09 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today http://www.fumotousa.com/about-fumoto-valves.php On Nov 29, 2014 5:01 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You do the plug first... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 29, 2014 7:52 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So on the Subaru engine the oil filter sticks straight up. Does that make it incredibly easy to change or incredibly messy? *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:48 PM *To:* af af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today About the only place I'll have change the oil anymore is when I take the car in for the major service interval at the dealer. They carry the oil I use and I figure a genuine Subaru oil filter isn't any worse than the M1-108's I use normally. Other than that, it gets changed at home anymore. I've discovered that throwing a pan under the car and pulling the oil/plug filter takes so little time that it's actually faster for me to do it. I generally will do it before a trip out of town and will pull the oil filter/plug and then clean/vaccum the car out while the oil is draining. Once I'm done vaccumming, I put everything back together and refill the car with an appropriate amount of oil. Takes me less time than waiting at an instant lube place, and then I know what oil/filter is actually in/on the engine. Sadly, I haven't found anything fun drawn on my car's oil filter when it comes from the dealer. On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We bring Mobil 1 oil filters in when we have the local oil change place change the oil. Last oil change, neither my car or the work van had them on their when I looked about 3000 miles after the change. After some heated discussions concerning the theft of my oil filters and shenanigans that might require a review of whether they are really using Mobil1 1 oil, they changed both vehicles while I watched them open new bottles of oil in front of me. Fortunately this was the first time I used them, and the last time. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via Af *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:27 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today A local guy went out to change his oil today. Found a penis drawn on his oil filter. That filter had been installed by Jiffy Lube. Same company that billed us for an oil change a few years ago (fleet account) for a car that my business partner’s step daughter crashed and totaled a year before.
Re: [AFMUG] OT Grow Room
Just curious why spruce trees? Last time I checked you can buy seedlings at like a quarter each in quantity. On Nov 29, 2014 10:18 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Got my turbo cloner yesterday. Almost zero instructions. Do you just let these things spray 2/7? Do you cycle the lights? I figured there had to be at least one hydroponic person here... (Don’t get excited, that Mormon guy is attempting to clone spruce trees...)
Re: [AFMUG] ERPS: G.8032 vs Brocade MRP vs ?
Do you really need something faster than one of the spanning tree variants? The topology at Montana Internet is to have a layer 3 switch at each site and a big flat rapid spanning tree ring for all of the OSPF speaking layer 3 switches (Aka routers) to talk on. If I yank a ring cable, I lose about a second on two is all. -forrest On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Scott Vander Dussen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Looking to add Ethernet ring protection switching into our network. I've attached a PDF demonstrating the topology of the test tower set. I'm leaning toward a G.8032v2 implementation simply because it's ITU standards based and not vendor specific. Other options include Brocade MRP, Moxa Turbo Chain, etc. Any shared wisdom would be greatly appreciate before we get ourselves pot committed. Scott
Re: [AFMUG] favorite/decent dielectric grease? / thread jack
Looking at it now. As I'm about spent for tonight you'll probably get a reply fairly early tomorrow morning. -forrest On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:05 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hey Forrest, I hate to hijack, but can you take a look at the ticket I have open (229631)? On 12/3/2014 9:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: After another round of going through a couple of months of customer returns, and the biggest issues are corrosion related to moisture getting in the connectors, I'm ready to either start shipping a little tube with dielectric grease with certain products, or make larger containers available for sale, or some combination thereof. Before I select a vendor I want to make sure that there isn't a known 'best' brand or even more important - some brand which causes problems. So, for those of you who do this, please let me know what your experiences are in relation to this. In relation, what is everyone's experience as far as the correct amount goes? Thanks. -forrest
Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm registration NOW OPEN!
Yes, I'll be doing something after. Suggestions Welcome. I will be a bit late showing up. Long story short: Trying to sell a chunk of property, needs a variance to do so, public hearing for it is the evening of Feb 3rd. Just glad it was the 3rd and not the 4th or 5th. So I won't be in SLC until sometime after my flight arrives on the 4th. Travel gods permitting, my flight will arrive around 8am, add whatever time to that it takes me to get out of the airport and to the fairgrounds... -forrest On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We love to get all the help we can get. Thanks! And yes, the University of Forrest aftershow is always a hit. *From:* Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, December 04, 2014 7:45 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm registration NOW OPEN! Just looking to get travel booked, but I know it may be early for these kinds of questions. Chuck, do you need help setting up the day before like last year? I have no problem coming in a day early to help with that. Forrest, are you doing some training the morning after? That couple hours of you explaining the programming with the generator board last time was SO helpful when I went to hook mine up. Nate On 12/4/2014 8:27 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Taylor Swift is doing the halftime show this year. Chuck Macenski and Gino will be backing her up. Jerry Garcia will be there too! *From:* Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, December 04, 2014 7:08 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm registration NOW OPEN! Can’t wait to see everyone there! [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] *Daniel White* | Managing Director *SAF North America LLC* *Cell:* (303) 746-3590 *Skype:* danieldwhite *E-mail:* daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Traci via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, December 3, 2014 4:22 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Animal Farm registration NOW OPEN!
Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
Since wbmfg started producing theirs, we now recommend them. The pnetnet6 worked great with 24v cambium, but the wbmfg products are better. You want the high voltage gigabit version at this point. On Dec 18, 2014 8:49 AM, Ryan Mano via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone replaced their moto surges with these? http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PNETR6tab=models I use a lot of the packetflux syncinjectors at my towers and it’s a recommend surge that packetflux says to use instead of the moto surges I have a ptp 230 that has tons of crc errors that just happened recently and am wondering if this would help it…we checked the cables and the moto surge and all is find so am thinking it maybe due to this Anyone else tried out these surges?
Re: [AFMUG] Syncbox 12 unshielded jacks
The reason the syncbox 12 jacks are unshieled is exactly the same reason why none of the poe injectors currently have shielded jacks For some reason top loaded shielded jacks are not very common and when you do find a supplier they are very expensive and have long lead times. Neither of which are really compatible with the price point we're trying to hit. The good news is that I've found a source for these which I trust and has them readily available. Because it's going to take a board revision getting them added to the products, it is not going to happen as quickly as I would have liked. This is a recent enough development that I don't even have a good estimate yet of when we'll be switching. It will be driven by when we will be running out of old boards and/or connectors. On Dec 19, 2014 1:27 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hey Forrest, any particular reason the parasitic passthrough jacks on the Syncbox 12 aren't shielded? Am I the only one who wants the shield ground to be continuous all the way to the AP? I'm not sure about grounding the Syncbox circuitry itself, that's your stuff so I'm sure you know whether it should be grounded or not, I'm just concerned whether breaking the shield continuity to the AP is a bad idea.
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium CMM4
Just curious, what are you paying for the CMM4s? On Dec 27, 2014 8:21 PM, David Milholen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have CTM2 at some sites.. I like the pricing I get with the CMM4 and I also like the gui better. I also dont have issues with management interface wanting to stop working. Also CTM is geared toward a universal crowd of devices I want the error free interfaces that the CMM4 has to offer with use of the 450 platform. Nothing against Lastmile whatsoever they make great stuff and I have purchased bunches of gear over the life of our wisp but since I have deployed the cmm4 units at sites where I had ctm1 series my problems of ethernet errors and weird interface issues disappeared. The CMM4 is a perfect match for cambium gear. It just outdated as far as the portfolio goes and needs some TLC. On 12/27/2014 5:43 PM, Josh Baird via Af wrote: It sounds like you are asking for a CTM2? :) On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 6:38 PM, David Milholen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Dear Cambium, we love the current CMM4,but we need gigE interface support and power monitoring via snmp. Also, can we get a dual input for either or DC supply 48/24v and be able to dial down via software from 48 to 29. We need these basics with or without a switch. I know Im asking alot here but the 450's deserve better LOL thanks Dave -- --
Re: [AFMUG] WD Auction
Western digital is still going strong. They even bought Hitachi a while back. Makes me wonder what the deal is with this auction. On Dec 29, 2014 2:09 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Where did you see that? I can't find anything on it, other than some April Fool's joke. On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Seagate, years ago Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 29, 2014 3:34 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: They were bought out a while back. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, December 29, 2014 2:33:54 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WD Auction Maybe they just relocated a manufacturing facility? On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:31 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: WD went under? On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: There is probably a bunch of good stuff here: http://www.hgpauction.com/auctions/71349/former-assets-western-digital/?utm_source=Official+Auction+Former+Assets+of+Western+Digitalutm_campaign=DigitalWesternutm_medium=email -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?
2kw and cheap are not compatible. If you can survive with a few hundred watts, go to circuitspecialists.com and look for dc electronic loads. I have two of these at packetflux we use for similar purposes. There are also quite a few build it yourself projects. These require lots of heatsinking and cooling and I haven't found any which seem as stable as the commercial ones. If you are set on 2kw, I'll try to find one which may work. On Dec 31, 2014 12:11 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking for something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. Maybe I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate.
Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux SiteMonitor Gigabit POE Boards?
Have been for a while. Found that errant description and removed it. So Are the Gigabit POE boards available? 4/8 port? It says something about September.
Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?
The electronic way is a constant current source shunted to ground or through a resistor bank. One hefty npn power transistor and a few smallish components. Or a jfet with source tied to gate, with a current adjustment resistor in the source lead. Or any of a hundred circuits. For more wattage you can parallel several, each adjusted to take their fraction of the total amps. I seem to be slowly turning into a power electronics engineer over here. On Dec 31, 2014 3:42 PM, chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I am thinking a DC-DC converter that will take a wide input and constant voltage output into a nice temperature compensated resistive load. What voltage range do you want? Doh!, that would be a constant power load. You want constant current load. Have to continue thinking... *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? I know how to do it really cheap and easy under 2 amps. Have to think on this a bit. I have used hot water heating elements and coils of wire (in a bucket of water) for high wattage resistors but obviously not constant current. *From:* TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:11 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ? Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking for something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. Maybe I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate.
Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations?
AC input? http://store.packetflux.com/48vdc-2a-power-supply-for-430-320-syncinjectors/ is isolated so should work just fine. -forrest On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Looking for recommendations on a -48 vDC power supply. 1.5 amps. Not expected to have any other radios on site or would at least be independent. No batteries or anything. = During the final installation, protect the ODU by a magneto-thermal switch (not supplied with the equipment), whose characteristics must comply with the laws in force in one’s country. The typical magneto thermal switch has characteristics at least 48Vdc @1.5A with overcurrent relay class “C” or “K” tripping curve. = I'm finding things with long lead times, things at a much higher amperage capacity or things that will require wire nuts to complete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
