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Robert, I used to eat at a good Korean deli on 42nd and 1st over by the UN.. Several others up near Mt Sinai and 33nd and 1st ... Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Apr 19, 2013, at 12:00 AM, Robert A. Rosenberg a...@rarpsl.com wrote: At 05:05 -0700 on 04/18/2013, Scott Ford wrote about Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question): Robert, I know where that is , I dont remember if the Deli is still there. I worked all over the 'City'. A lot of seriously good Delis.. Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com/ I agree that there are lots of good Delis in NYC. I was just mentioning Burnsteins since not only was it a standard Deli but it also had a Kosher Chinese Menu (with some of the items that would be Non-Kosher [ie: The Pork dishes] made using a Kosher substitute). I do not think it exists there anymore since I can not find a listing for it although I did find an Original Burnsteins in Brooklyn. The date when I patronized it was in the 70s or 80s. From: Robert A. Rosenberg a...@rarpsl.com To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 12:26 AM Subject: Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question) At 02:15 -0400 on 04/16/2013, Scott Ford wrote about Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question): Robert, I worked in NYC also,oh yes the great deli ... The one I am thinking of (I do not know if it exists any more) was Burnstein's on Essex street. The Kosher Chinese was Mosha Peking which was on 35th or 36th off Broadway (near MSG). Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Apr 16, 2013, at 12:54 AM, Robert A. Rosenberg a...@rarpsl.com wrote:At 10:28 -0400 on 04/15/2013, Gerhard Postpischil wrote about Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question):When I worked in Northern Virginia, there was a Chinese-Jewish deli and restaurant.I live in NYC and used to patronize such a establishment when I was doing a Saturday Evening/Sunday Morning Testing Shot (My boss was an orthodox Rabbi and we went there for a food break at 10PM or so). There was also a few Kosher Chinese restaurants in the Midtown area.
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Robert, I know where that is , I dont remember if the Deli is still there. I worked all over the 'City'. A lot of seriously good Delis.. Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com/ From: Robert A. Rosenberg a...@rarpsl.com To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 12:26 AM Subject: Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question) At 02:15 -0400 on 04/16/2013, Scott Ford wrote about Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question): Robert, I worked in NYC also,oh yes the great deli ... The one I am thinking of (I do not know if it exists any more) was Burnstein's on Essex street. The Kosher Chinese was Mosha Peking which was on 35th or 36th off Broadway (near MSG). Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Apr 16, 2013, at 12:54 AM, Robert A. Rosenberg a...@rarpsl.com wrote: At 10:28 -0400 on 04/15/2013, Gerhard Postpischil wrote about Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question): When I worked in Northern Virginia, there was a Chinese-Jewish deli and restaurant. I live in NYC and used to patronize such a establishment when I was doing a Saturday Evening/Sunday Morning Testing Shot (My boss was an orthodox Rabbi and we went there for a food break at 10PM or so). There was also a few Kosher Chinese restaurants in the Midtown area.
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On 18 April 2013 00:26, Robert A. Rosenberg a...@rarpsl.com wrote: The Kosher Chinese was Mosha Peking which was on 35th or 36th off Broadway (near MSG). Doubtless with no pun or food stereotype intended... Tony H.
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Bill, I worked in NYC and missed that one dude ..I must be getting old Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Apr 18, 2013, at 1:49 PM, DASDBILL2 dasdbi...@comcast.net wrote: I understood immediately the Moshe part of the pun. B ut i t took me a while to reverse-engineer the MSG pun. Not having spent significant time in NYC, my brain's first interpretation of MSG is monosodium glutamate, which is the controversial component of soy sauce and which many Chinese food lovers try to avoid . Finally I realized it also means Madison Square Garden, whose location I now assume must be somewhere near 35th or 36th off Broadway. The punditry never ends. Bill Fairchild Franklin, TN “Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder acceptable, and to give the appearance of solidity to pure wind.” [George Orwell] - Original Message - From: Tony Harminc t...@harminc.com To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:15:41 AM Subject: Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question) On 18 April 2013 00:26, Robert A. Rosenberg a...@rarpsl.com wrote: The Kosher Chinese was Mosha Peking which was on 35th or 36th off Broadway (near MSG). Doubtless with no pun or food stereotype intended... Tony H.
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At 17:49 + on 04/18/2013, DASDBILL2 wrote about Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question): I understood immediately the Moshe part of the pun. B ut i t took me a while to reverse-engineer the MSG pun. Not having spent significant time in NYC, my brain's first interpretation of MSG is monosodium glutamate, which is the controversial component of soy sauce and which many Chinese food lovers try to avoid . Finally I realized it also means Madison Square Garden, whose location I now assume must be somewhere near 35th or 36th off Broadway. The punditry never ends. It is at 7th/8th Ave and 31st/33rd St (Penn Station). It used to be at 8th Ave and 49/50 St. There were prior MSGs before that location. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_square_gardenhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_square_garden. Bill Fairchild Franklin, TN Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder acceptable, and to give the appearance of solidity to pure wind. [George Orwell] - Original Message - From: Tony Harminc t...@harminc.com To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:15:41 AM Subject: Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question) On 18 April 2013 00:26, Robert A. Rosenberg a...@rarpsl.com wrote: The Kosher Chinese was Mosha Peking which was on 35th or 36th off Broadway (near MSG). Doubtless with no pun or food stereotype intended... Tony H.
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At 12:15 -0400 on 04/18/2013, Tony Harminc wrote about Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question): On 18 April 2013 00:26, Robert A. Rosenberg a...@rarpsl.com wrote: The Kosher Chinese was Mosha Peking which was on 35th or 36th off Broadway (near MSG). Doubtless with no pun or food stereotype intended... Tony H. The menu said that the owners were Jews from Singapore so I do not think any pun or stereotype was intended (aside from the supposed linking for Chinese food by Jews). This was in the late 70s.
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At 05:05 -0700 on 04/18/2013, Scott Ford wrote about Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question): Robert, I know where that is , I dont remember if the Deli is still there. I worked all over the 'City'. A lot of seriously good Delis.. Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com/ I agree that there are lots of good Delis in NYC. I was just mentioning Burnsteins since not only was it a standard Deli but it also had a Kosher Chinese Menu (with some of the items that would be Non-Kosher [ie: The Pork dishes] made using a Kosher substitute). I do not think it exists there anymore since I can not find a listing for it although I did find an Original Burnsteins in Brooklyn. The date when I patronized it was in the 70s or 80s. From: Robert A. Rosenberg a...@rarpsl.com To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 12:26 AM Subject: Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question) At 02:15 -0400 on 04/16/2013, Scott Ford wrote about Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question): Robert, I worked in NYC also,oh yes the great deli ... The one I am thinking of (I do not know if it exists any more) was Burnstein's on Essex street. The Kosher Chinese was Mosha Peking which was on 35th or 36th off Broadway (near MSG). Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Apr 16, 2013, at 12:54 AM, Robert A. Rosenberg a...@rarpsl.com wrote:At 10:28 -0400 on 04/15/2013, Gerhard Postpischil wrote about Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question):When I worked in Northern Virginia, there was a Chinese-Jewish deli and restaurant.I live in NYC and used to patronize such a establishment when I was doing a Saturday Evening/Sunday Morning Testing Shot (My boss was an orthodox Rabbi and we went there for a food break at 10PM or so). There was also a few Kosher Chinese restaurants in the Midtown area.
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At 02:15 -0400 on 04/16/2013, Scott Ford wrote about Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question): Robert, I worked in NYC also,oh yes the great deli ... The one I am thinking of (I do not know if it exists any more) was Burnstein's on Essex street. The Kosher Chinese was Mosha Peking which was on 35th or 36th off Broadway (near MSG). Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Apr 16, 2013, at 12:54 AM, Robert A. Rosenberg a...@rarpsl.com wrote: At 10:28 -0400 on 04/15/2013, Gerhard Postpischil wrote about Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question): When I worked in Northern Virginia, there was a Chinese-Jewish deli and restaurant. I live in NYC and used to patronize such a establishment when I was doing a Saturday Evening/Sunday Morning Testing Shot (My boss was an orthodox Rabbi and we went there for a food break at 10PM or so). There was also a few Kosher Chinese restaurants in the Midtown area.
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Robert, I worked in NYC also,oh yes the great deli ... Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Apr 16, 2013, at 12:54 AM, Robert A. Rosenberg a...@rarpsl.com wrote: At 10:28 -0400 on 04/15/2013, Gerhard Postpischil wrote about Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question): When I worked in Northern Virginia, there was a Chinese-Jewish deli and restaurant. I live in NYC and used to patronize such a establishment when I was doing a Saturday Evening/Sunday Morning Testing Shot (My boss was an orthodox Rabbi and we went there for a food break at 10PM or so). There was also a few Kosher Chinese restaurants in the Midtown area.
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I ate many kosher Chinese egg rolls purchased at Katz' Kosher D eli in Rockville, MD when I lived near there long ago. Bill Fairchild Franklin, TN “Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder acceptable, and to give the appearance of solidity to pure wind.” [George Orwell] - Original Message - From: Robert A. Rosenberg a...@rarpsl.com To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 11:54:23 PM Subject: Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question) At 10:28 -0400 on 04/15/2013, Gerhard Postpischil wrote about Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question): When I worked in Northern Virginia, there was a Chinese-Jewish deli and restaurant. I live in NYC and used to patronize such a establishment when I was doing a Saturday Evening/Sunday Morning Testing Shot (My boss was an orthodox Rabbi and we went there for a food break at 10PM or so). There was also a few Kosher Chinese restaurants in the Midtown area.
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One commentlets keep our discussions, professional and technical. Couldn't agree more. And it is also worth remembering that not all subscribers are native speakers. Posts that must be decoded with a dictionary aren't very helpful. Fred! - ATTENTION: The information in this electronic mail message is private and confidential, and only intended for the addressee. Should you receive this message by mistake, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or opening it. Messages and attachments are scanned for all viruses known. If this message contains password-protected attachments, the files have NOT been scanned for viruses by the ING mail domain. Always scan attachments before opening them. -
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On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:43:04 +0200 Fred van der Windt fred.van.der.wi...@mail.ing.nl wrote: : One commentlets keep our discussions, professional and technical. :Couldn't agree more. And it is also worth remembering that not all subscribers are native speakers. Posts that must be decoded with a dictionary aren't very helpful. It may help the ego of the poster. -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies.
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Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Dissen Software, Bar Grill?! That *is* an unusual combination... Fred! - ATTENTION: The information in this electronic mail message is private and confidential, and only intended for the addressee. Should you receive this message by mistake, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or use of this message is strictly prohibited. Please inform the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or opening it. Messages and attachments are scanned for all viruses known. If this message contains password-protected attachments, the files have NOT been scanned for viruses by the ING mail domain. Always scan attachments before opening them. -
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My personal thoughts on the proper language to use is to be as simple as possible while remaining as accurate as possible. Perhaps this is a dumbing down, but ON THIS FORUM, as you pointed out, there may be non-native readers. I consider it my responsibility as the communicator to be understood by the reader. So I will eschew obfuscation and esoteric arcana and embrace the KISS principle. Others may do as they wish. I will likely ignore them. I have a very high selective inattention level. ref: http://psychcentral.com/encyclopedia/2008/selective-inattention/ On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 3:38 AM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: On Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:43:04 +0200 Fred van der Windt fred.van.der.wi...@mail.ing.nl wrote: : One commentlets keep our discussions, professional and technical. :Couldn't agree more. And it is also worth remembering that not all subscribers are native speakers. Posts that must be decoded with a dictionary aren't very helpful. It may help the ego of the poster. -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- This is a test of the Emergency Broadcast System. If this had been an actual emergency, do you really think we'd stick around to tell you? Maranatha! John McKown
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On 4/15/2013 6:11 AM, Fred van der Windt wrote: Dissen Software, Bar Grill?! That *is* an unusual combination... When I worked in Northern Virginia, there was a Chinese-Jewish deli and restaurant. Makes me wonder whether the later part refers to the way Mr. Dissen presents his software g Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, Vermont
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We should not necessarily associate malice with the word ignorance. I am ignorant of many things, in fact, probably most things, but I am not stupid or a bad person. I have not yet had an opportunity to learn about the myriad things of which I am still ignorant. I am definitely ignorant of many things documented in IBM books which I have had available to me for several years but have not yet found it necessary to read or research. I am very ignorant of probably one half of all the currently documented z/OS instructions, mainly because it has been well over 20 years since I last read every word of a new edition of the Principles of Operation. This does not mean that there are no other words in anyone's post that contain malice, but being labeled as ignorant does not bother me. It does not necessarily imply being stupid in general . I have probably seen the TRTE instruction discussed before, but since I have never tried to use it or read any details of its operation I consider myself still ignorant with respect to TRTE. I am neither proud of nor sensitive to my ignornance of TRTE. Bill Fairchild Franklin, TN “Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder acceptable, and to give the appearance of solidity to pure wind.” [George Orwell] - Original Message - From: Jon Perryman jperr...@pacbell.net To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 3:50:42 PM Subject: Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question) I took his comments as a personal attack because he is naming me specifically as doing something out of ignorance. Then his next Email says that he knew it was a lie when he sent it. See the 3 Emails snippets below. Is this being uppity or self righteous? Is this wording what a normal person would use? Why wouldn't he simply say the TRTE instruction should have been used. He always chooses his wording carefully and hides the malice. Everyone interpreted my Email as a personal attack but did it actually contain anything more direct than in his response? Thanks Jon Perryman. From: John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com Sent: Fri, April 12, 2013 6:50:40 PM John Perryman's post seems to have been written in ignorance of the TRTE, From: Jon Perryman jperr...@pacbell.net Sent: Sat, April 13, 2013 10:17:36 AM It's not ignorance. TRTE is a newer instruction that might not exist on all supported hardware. I don't try to remember instructions I can't use anyways. It's not in the POP's I use so I can't consider it. From: John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com Sent: Sat, April 13, 2013 11:44:32 AM I of course expected this response. - Original Message From: Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Sent: Sun, April 14, 2013 11:25:08 AM Subject: Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question) On 4/14/2013 8:26 AM, John Gilmore wrote: Mr Perryman saw fit to convert a technical disagreement into a personal one. I have no wish contribute to this second discussion except to note that ad hominem arguments are the usual resort of those who have no substantive ones to make. Unfortunately your technical disagreements tend to be worded in such a snide and supercilious fashion that the majority of readers here take them as ad hominem attacks. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, Vermont
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I agree totally except with his posts. He is articulate and always chooses his wording carefully. He has many years of experience and knows why I don't use TRTE but he chose not to say that and use his specific wording. Clearly he has intent but he tries to keep it subtle. He needed to be called on it. I want to assure everyone, this won't happen again. No one here (and in other groups where I participate) tries to antagonize. I enjoy provocative discussions and understand that others have a very different point of view. I have no problem with criticism. However, I won't tolerate those with an intent to antagonize or with malice. Jon Perryman. - Original Message From: DASDBILL2 dasdbi...@comcast.net To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Sent: Mon, April 15, 2013 9:59:40 AM Subject: Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question) We should not necessarily associate malice with the word ignorance. I am ignorant of many things, in fact, probably most things, but I am not stupid or a bad person. I have not yet had an opportunity to learn about the myriad things of which I am still ignorant. I am definitely ignorant of many things documented in IBM books which I have had available to me for several years but have not yet found it necessary to read or research. I am very ignorant of probably one half of all the currently documented z/OS instructions, mainly because it has been well over 20 years since I last read every word of a new edition of the Principles of Operation. This does not mean that there are no other words in anyone's post that contain malice, but being labeled as ignorant does not bother me. It does not necessarily imply being stupid in general . I have probably seen the TRTE instruction discussed before, but since I have never tried to use it or read any details of its operation I consider myself still ignorant with respect to TRTE. I am neither proud of nor sensitive to my ignornance of TRTE. Bill Fairchild Franklin, TN “Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder acceptable, and to give the appearance of solidity to pure wind.” [George Orwell] - Original Message - From: Jon Perryman jperr...@pacbell.net To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 3:50:42 PM Subject: Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question) I took his comments as a personal attack because he is naming me specifically as doing something out of ignorance. Then his next Email says that he knew it was a lie when he sent it. See the 3 Emails snippets below. Is this being uppity or self righteous? Is this wording what a normal person would use? Why wouldn't he simply say the TRTE instruction should have been used. He always chooses his wording carefully and hides the malice. Everyone interpreted my Email as a personal attack but did it actually contain anything more direct than in his response? Thanks Jon Perryman. From: John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com Sent: Fri, April 12, 2013 6:50:40 PM John Perryman's post seems to have been written in ignorance of the TRTE, From: Jon Perryman jperr...@pacbell.net Sent: Sat, April 13, 2013 10:17:36 AM It's not ignorance. TRTE is a newer instruction that might not exist on all supported hardware. I don't try to remember instructions I can't use anyways. It's not in the POP's I use so I can't consider it. From: John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com Sent: Sat, April 13, 2013 11:44:32 AM I of course expected this response. - Original Message From: Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Sent: Sun, April 14, 2013 11:25:08 AM Subject: Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question) On 4/14/2013 8:26 AM, John Gilmore wrote: Mr Perryman saw fit to convert a technical disagreement into a personal one. I have no wish contribute to this second discussion except to note that ad hominem arguments are the usual resort of those who have no substantive ones to make. Unfortunately your technical disagreements tend to be worded in such a snide and supercilious fashion that the majority of readers here take them as ad hominem attacks. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, Vermont
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Jon Perryman does not appear to be quits of this thread. He wrote (of me): begin extract I agree totally except with his posts. He is articulate and always chooses his wording carefully. He has many years of experience and knows why I don't use TRTE but he chose not to say that and use his specific wording. Clearly he has intent but he tries to keep it subtle. He needed to be called on it. /end extract When and if I have 'intent' to discredit someone, I will choose a worthier, more formidable opponent. Shooting fish in a barrel is not my idea of good sport. His imputations reflect his own anxieties, not my intent. I was in fact uncharacteristically charitable about the snippet of code that he posted. There are always two questions in any of these situations. One first asks oneself, Is it done the way I would do it? The answer to this preliminary question is, of course, almost always no. The next, much more important question is, In its own terms is it done well? The answer to this question for the case of Mr. Perryman's snippet was again no. The appropriate, classical iterative scheme, used almost reflexively by coloro che sanno, cleans up with an executed TRT. One of the merits of TRTE is that it offers less scope for misuse by mandolinisti. Until he escalated this dispute, I was unaware of him; and I have now added his email address to my kill list, ensuring that I will have no occasion to see or comment further on his posts. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
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just give it up you guys -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 4:27 PM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question) Jon Perryman does not appear to be quits of this thread. He wrote (of me): begin extract I agree totally except with his posts. He is articulate and always chooses his wording carefully. He has many years of experience and knows why I don't use TRTE but he chose not to say that and use his specific wording. Clearly he has intent but he tries to keep it subtle. He needed to be called on it. /end extract When and if I have 'intent' to discredit someone, I will choose a worthier, more formidable opponent. Shooting fish in a barrel is not my idea of good sport. His imputations reflect his own anxieties, not my intent. I was in fact uncharacteristically charitable about the snippet of code that he posted. There are always two questions in any of these situations. One first asks oneself, Is it done the way I would do it? The answer to this preliminary question is, of course, almost always no. The next, much more important question is, In its own terms is it done well? The answer to this question for the case of Mr. Perryman's snippet was again no. The appropriate, classical iterative scheme, used almost reflexively by coloro che sanno, cleans up with an executed TRT. One of the merits of TRTE is that it offers less scope for misuse by mandolinisti. Until he escalated this dispute, I was unaware of him; and I have now added his email address to my kill list, ensuring that I will have no occasion to see or comment further on his posts. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
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AmenGregg . Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Apr 15, 2013, at 5:47 PM, Tuben, Gregg gregg_tu...@bmc.com wrote: just give it up you guys -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 4:27 PM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question) Jon Perryman does not appear to be quits of this thread. He wrote (of me): begin extract I agree totally except with his posts. He is articulate and always chooses his wording carefully. He has many years of experience and knows why I don't use TRTE but he chose not to say that and use his specific wording. Clearly he has intent but he tries to keep it subtle. He needed to be called on it. /end extract When and if I have 'intent' to discredit someone, I will choose a worthier, more formidable opponent. Shooting fish in a barrel is not my idea of good sport. His imputations reflect his own anxieties, not my intent. I was in fact uncharacteristically charitable about the snippet of code that he posted. There are always two questions in any of these situations. One first asks oneself, Is it done the way I would do it? The answer to this preliminary question is, of course, almost always no. The next, much more important question is, In its own terms is it done well? The answer to this question for the case of Mr. Perryman's snippet was again no. The appropriate, classical iterative scheme, used almost reflexively by coloro che sanno, cleans up with an executed TRT. One of the merits of TRTE is that it offers less scope for misuse by mandolinisti. Until he escalated this dispute, I was unaware of him; and I have now added his email address to my kill list, ensuring that I will have no occasion to see or comment further on his posts. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
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OK, I'm fed up too. I tried. Anyone who persists in this inanity will be moderated. And I don't read the list all day, so posts will be delayed. Per Google, coloro che sanno means those who know. Did we need to look this up? js On Mon, 15 Apr 2013, Scott Ford wrote: AmenGregg . Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Apr 15, 2013, at 5:47 PM, Tuben, Gregg gregg_tu...@bmc.com wrote: just give it up you guys -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Assembler List [mailto:ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 4:27 PM To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question) Jon Perryman does not appear to be quits of this thread. He wrote (of me): begin extract I agree totally except with his posts. He is articulate and always chooses his wording carefully. He has many years of experience and knows why I don't use TRTE but he chose not to say that and use his specific wording. Clearly he has intent but he tries to keep it subtle. He needed to be called on it. /end extract When and if I have 'intent' to discredit someone, I will choose a worthier, more formidable opponent. Shooting fish in a barrel is not my idea of good sport. His imputations reflect his own anxieties, not my intent. I was in fact uncharacteristically charitable about the snippet of code that he posted. There are always two questions in any of these situations. One first asks oneself, Is it done the way I would do it? The answer to this preliminary question is, of course, almost always no. The next, much more important question is, In its own terms is it done well? The answer to this question for the case of Mr. Perryman's snippet was again no. The appropriate, classical iterative scheme, used almost reflexively by coloro che sanno, cleans up with an executed TRT. One of the merits of TRTE is that it offers less scope for misuse by mandolinisti. ç Until he escalated this dispute, I was unaware of him; and I have now added his email address to my kill list, ensuring that I will have no occasion to see or comment further on his posts. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
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Mr Perryman saw fit to convert a technical disagreement into a personal one. I have no wish contribute to this second discussion except to note that ad hominem arguments are the usual resort of those who have no substantive ones to make. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
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On 4/14/2013 8:26 AM, John Gilmore wrote: Mr Perryman saw fit to convert a technical disagreement into a personal one. I have no wish contribute to this second discussion except to note that ad hominem arguments are the usual resort of those who have no substantive ones to make. Unfortunately your technical disagreements tend to be worded in such a snide and supercilious fashion that the majority of readers here take them as ad hominem attacks. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, Vermont
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On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.netwrote: On 4/14/2013 8:26 AM, John Gilmore wrote: Mr Perryman saw fit to convert a technical disagreement into a personal one. I have no wish contribute to this second discussion except to note that ad hominem arguments are the usual resort of those who have no substantive ones to make. Unfortunately your technical disagreements tend to be worded in such a snide and supercilious fashion that the majority of readers here take them as ad hominem attacks. Agreed. It is interesting to note that Gilmore seems to be the only person on the list to which supposed ad hominem attacks are directed. Perhaps he is missing the point that it is his high-and-mighty, holier-than-thou style of communication to which these attack are actually directed. In which case, they are not really ad hominen because a plain reading of his words are self-evident to the everyman on this list as uppity. Sam Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, Vermont
Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question)
Too much space has already been devoted to my notionally 'uppity' style. It may, however, be that there is something in this notion. Many of you have some familiarity with current metereological explanations of atmospheric thunder. It is not the clanging of God's balls or even that of Thor's anvil. I should not of course wish to censor the expression of views that it is or indeed of analogous superstitions about HLASM programming, but I see no reason for concealing my sharp disagreement for them. To quote a great physicist, People are entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts'. I am delighted to be patient with and if possible helpful to those who want to learn; but I have no plan to temper my criticisms of views that seem to me to be nonsense. Popularity contests interest me not at all. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question)
One commentlets keep our discussions, professional and technical. Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com/ From: Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 2:22 PM Subject: Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question) On 4/14/2013 8:26 AM, John Gilmore wrote: Mr Perryman saw fit to convert a technical disagreement into a personal one. I have no wish contribute to this second discussion except to note that ad hominem arguments are the usual resort of those who have no substantive ones to make. Unfortunately your technical disagreements tend to be worded in such a snide and supercilious fashion that the majority of readers here take them as ad hominem attacks. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, Vermont
Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question)
I took his comments as a personal attack because he is naming me specifically as doing something out of ignorance. Then his next Email says that he knew it was a lie when he sent it. See the 3 Emails snippets below. Is this being uppity or self righteous? Is this wording what a normal person would use? Why wouldn't he simply say the TRTE instruction should have been used. He always chooses his wording carefully and hides the malice. Everyone interpreted my Email as a personal attack but did it actually contain anything more direct than in his response? Thanks Jon Perryman. From: John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com Sent: Fri, April 12, 2013 6:50:40 PM John Perryman's post seems to have been written in ignorance of the TRTE, From: Jon Perryman jperr...@pacbell.net Sent: Sat, April 13, 2013 10:17:36 AM It's not ignorance. TRTE is a newer instruction that might not exist on all supported hardware. I don't try to remember instructions I can't use anyways. It's not in the POP's I use so I can't consider it. From: John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com Sent: Sat, April 13, 2013 11:44:32 AM I of course expected this response. - Original Message From: Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Sent: Sun, April 14, 2013 11:25:08 AM Subject: Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question) On 4/14/2013 8:26 AM, John Gilmore wrote: Mr Perryman saw fit to convert a technical disagreement into a personal one. I have no wish contribute to this second discussion except to note that ad hominem arguments are the usual resort of those who have no substantive ones to make. Unfortunately your technical disagreements tend to be worded in such a snide and supercilious fashion that the majority of readers here take them as ad hominem attacks. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, Vermont
Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question)
I would like to point out a few items that 62 yrs on this earth has taught me.. 1. I cant control other people or what they say. 2. I can only control my behavior and try not to be judgemental . 3. Personal attacks in business are a real big no no 4. Try to help where you can . 5. Not everyone has the same level of experience or experiences . So new techniques to me are good and not negative or positive. Regards, Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com/ From: Jon Perryman jperr...@pacbell.net To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 4:50 PM Subject: Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question) I took his comments as a personal attack because he is naming me specifically as doing something out of ignorance. Then his next Email says that he knew it was a lie when he sent it. See the 3 Emails snippets below. Is this being uppity or self righteous? Is this wording what a normal person would use? Why wouldn't he simply say the TRTE instruction should have been used. He always chooses his wording carefully and hides the malice. Everyone interpreted my Email as a personal attack but did it actually contain anything more direct than in his response? Thanks Jon Perryman. From: John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com Sent: Fri, April 12, 2013 6:50:40 PM John Perryman's post seems to have been written in ignorance of the TRTE, From: Jon Perryman jperr...@pacbell.net Sent: Sat, April 13, 2013 10:17:36 AM It's not ignorance. TRTE is a newer instruction that might not exist on all supported hardware. I don't try to remember instructions I can't use anyways. It's not in the POP's I use so I can't consider it. From: John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com Sent: Sat, April 13, 2013 11:44:32 AM I of course expected this response. - Original Message From: Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Sent: Sun, April 14, 2013 11:25:08 AM Subject: Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question) On 4/14/2013 8:26 AM, John Gilmore wrote: Mr Perryman saw fit to convert a technical disagreement into a personal one. I have no wish contribute to this second discussion except to note that ad hominem arguments are the usual resort of those who have no substantive ones to make. Unfortunately your technical disagreements tend to be worded in such a snide and supercilious fashion that the majority of readers here take them as ad hominem attacks. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, Vermont
Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question)
I have never in my 44 years in the industry seen a workplace that would tolerate the Popularity contests interest me not at all. attitude. From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question) I would like to point out a few items that 62 yrs on this earth has taught me.. 1. I cant control other people or what they say. 2. I can only control my behavior and try not to be judgemental . 3. Personal attacks in business are a real big no no 4. Try to help where you can . 5. Not everyone has the same level of experience or experiences . So new techniques to me are good and not negative or positive. Regards, Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com/ From: Jon Perryman jperr...@pacbell.net To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 4:50 PM Subject: Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question) I took his comments as a personal attack because he is naming me specifically as doing something out of ignorance. Then his next Email says that he knew it was a lie when he sent it. See the 3 Emails snippets below. Is this being uppity or self righteous? Is this wording what a normal person would use? Why wouldn't he simply say the TRTE instruction should have been used. He always chooses his wording carefully and hides the malice. Everyone interpreted my Email as a personal attack but did it actually contain anything more direct than in his response? Thanks Jon Perryman. From: John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com Sent: Fri, April 12, 2013 6:50:40 PM John Perryman's post seems to have been written in ignorance of the TRTE, From: Jon Perryman jperr...@pacbell.net Sent: Sat, April 13, 2013 10:17:36 AM It's not ignorance. TRTE is a newer instruction that might not exist on all supported hardware. I don't try to remember instructions I can't use anyways. It's not in the POP's I use so I can't consider it. From: John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com Sent: Sat, April 13, 2013 11:44:32 AM I of course expected this response. - Original Message From: Gerhard Postpischil gerh...@valley.net To: ASSEMBLER-LIST@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Sent: Sun, April 14, 2013 11:25:08 AM Subject: Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question) On 4/14/2013 8:26 AM, John Gilmore wrote: Mr Perryman saw fit to convert a technical disagreement into a personal one. I have no wish contribute to this second discussion except to note that ad hominem arguments are the usual resort of those who have no substantive ones to make. Unfortunately your technical disagreements tend to be worded in such a snide and supercilious fashion that the majority of readers here take them as ad hominem attacks. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, Vermont
Re: Happy Gilmore (was Length question)
OK, maybe we can't all just get along. But maybe we can all lean back a little? This list is not really 'moderated'. I read it, but I do not expect to have to police it: this is a professional/technical list and I expect professional behavior. Belittlement and whining is probably not how you'd prevail dealing with a real-life colleague with whom you disagree about the best way to do something. Make your case (and pick your battles!). Assembler is a rather small world, and if we weren't advising/berating one another here, who would we have to talk to? If you'd like to kvetch/comment further, I've set the reply-to to me, not the list. Jean Snow, Assembler-list manager j...@uga.edu
