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Re: Where do you get your music? hi,no, i deposited only the minimum option (13 dollars, plus 5 dollars i got as a bonus), just to try the service. i didnt want to deposite straight away the 45 dollars. maybe the next time. still waiting for my rrequests, then. i like too, the various japanese, deluxe, limited, etc editions. by the way, shinedown is good, only because of this topic, i am listening to them. *shows to jack*. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=247241#p247241 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? hello,@jack, yes, mp3va is Great, i already purchased some albums, and filled my account with Money. but these five other albums sadly arent there. did anyone tried send a music request there? how long it takes to process them, any experience with this feature of the site? but anyways its Great, and extremely cheap. and accessible for sure. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=247134#p247134 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Music requests are very reliable. Just send in your request, within a few days it should be added on the site. If you are interested, they seem to be getting the Japanese editions of albums if there are any, so they contains the tracks of the original album if you were to get it normally off of conventional music shops, as well as the bonus tracks exclusive to Japanese editions of albums. Please note that Japanese edition does not mean that the artists themselves are from Japan. Since cd's are a lot more expensive in Japan, there is a minimum track limit on the cd's, and the music market in Japan seems to be a lot larger than in other countries which would explain why most if not all bands will always end up touring Japan. For example, Shinedown's album, Threat to Survival,. contains 2 bonus tracks in the Japanese edition that you otherwise wouldn't be able to get anywhere else, other than youtube. Some of these are obscure since I've heard that Japanese c d's have some kind of drm, i e they may be cd roms rather than redbook compliant. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=247198#p247198 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Music requests are very reliable. Just send in your request, within a few days it should be added on the site. The only thing to be aware of is that due to increasing requests, you have a better chance of getting your request in if you've deposited at least $50. If you are interested, they seem to be getting the Japanese editions of albums if there are any, so they contains the tracks of the original album if you were to get it normally off of conventional music shops, as well as the bonus tracks exclusive to Japanese editions of albums. Please note that Japanese edition does not mean that the artists themselves are from Japan. Since cd's are a lot more expensive in Japan, there is a minimum track limit on the cd's, and the music market in Japan seems to be a lot larger than in other countries which would explain why most if not all bands will always end up touring Japan. For example, Shinedown's album, Threat to Survival,. contains 2 bonus tracks in the Japane se edition that you otherwise wouldn't be able to get anywhere else, other than youtube. Some of these are obscure since I've heard that Japanese cd's have some kind of drm, i e they may be cd roms rather than redbook compliant. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=247198#p247198 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? never heard of it. But sounds good. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=247048#p247048 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @michael (Bucklee12,) Remember there's always mp3va.com which doesn't require any software or confusing interfaces. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=247110#p247110 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? hello,so an update on the situation. i am done with Amazon, as it constantly has problems with my address, but i dont know with what field or something, so i cant order anything from it. on the other side, iTunes ordering is perfectly accessible - yes, but only from the phone, so i guess i will transfer the ordered albums to my computer. in the iTunes program, where the album was viewed, i couldnt find the buy button or something, so my only option is buying over the phones interface, i guess? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=247103#p247103 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? hello all,sorry for reviving an old topic, but i have a question on this topic. i would like to buy five albums from the Amazon site (digital downloads). i have them on my "mp3 cart", ready to order. the actual question is, how can i - download then the albums to my computer the accessible way fro the site? and no, they werent on the mp3va.com site (which is absolutely Great, bought few albums from them).or if Amazon didnt work, can somebody explain me the process of buying an album from the iTunes store, and how do i get it to my computer from my library, so i can use it on any type of media?thanks for answers.M. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246935#p246935 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? I haven't tried it so I don't know for sure, but apparently, if you use the Amazon full site instead of the accessible site, after the purchase, Amazon will prompt you to use their downloader, but you can choose not to use it and then you'll be able to use standard techniques to download your music.What I'd do is pick a single track and try just purchasing it. That way if it doesn't work, you'll only be out a dollar. If the single track purchase works, then go ahead with your multi album purchase.I personally would buy the albums one at a time. I'd be afraid of a single download page with separate links for each album that causes you to navigate to a separate download page for each album and not being able to navigate back to the download page with all your purchased albums on it.Remember that it's Amazon's policy not to refund digital download purchases, though I have gotten refunds from them when I declared that t heir download methods were inaccessible to the blind and for that reason I was unable to download my purchase. Depending on the customer service representative you get your milage may vary.hth & gl URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=246939#p246939 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @Figment, Sebby has indeed tried Itunes on a pc and is not unsympathetic to the idea that it's a pain, (Sebby was one of the people who first recommended the Victor to me), he just happens to like the way Apple does things on their own devices, which is intrinsically not a problem. heck I am stil considering getting a mac myself being as there will come a point that Xp and the internet won't cooperate and I would be happier moving my net browsing over to Apple than the significantly more annoying versions of post Xp windows.Might I suggest letting that part of the conversation laps sinse there's not really all that much else to say. I've done The apple purge. it was annoying to get rid of everything, but I think I got most of it accept the registry, then again sinse my main pc had to be reformatted I can be certain it's all gone anyhow, and there doesn't seem to be anything else on this laptop even if there is the odd unused reg key some where (I don't like to go poking around the registry for obvious reasons).@Sebby, yep, the degradation in quality is also the reason I don't bother with the hole bluetooth headset thing for serious stuff, if I want to play on speakers I have my very good logitech quad speakers attached to my pc with a custom created Winamp Eq file, and for just standard audiobooks when it's just the narrator's voice I find the Victor's own speaker more than adequate anyway. For headphones, I have the momentum ones for amazingly good stuff, while for travel I use a set of sanheisa earbuds. I can't recall the serial number, but they're without a doubt the best quality thing you can get for about thirty quid, (I got them for twenty last time on offer).Actually I have a miner peve with Apple on this, sinse last time I bought some new earbuds, I found a slightly better pare for fourty quid, and didn't realize after I bought them that they were o f that annoying Apple specific type, luckily the nice hifi shop exchanged them for me when i explained that no, I didn't just want to use them on my Iphone which at that point I was still using for music.I did used to have a rather nice set of sanheisa wireless ones with a charger. Amusingly enough sinse because of the slope of the hill the Colidge entrance where I lived was above me two floors up, I could actually set something goin in my room and hop upstairs to get pizza delivered all without leaving my music/audio drama, I even got a very early experience of mobile computer use back in the early 2000's between those headphones and my wireless keyboard (people said it was very weerd to see me sitting on the bench outside by the lake typing away with my headphones on).To be honest though, it's easier to take the player and a wire than mess around with something that needs it's own charger anyway, indeed I've got quite adept at wandering aroun d my flat doing housework, or even going outside with my dog with a pare of headphones on and my Victor in my breast pocket. Needless to say between my Victor and my Iphone, I don't think I'm going to get board on my flight to the states, though for the first time I'll need to use Aeroplane mode for it's intended purpose on both devices .This actuallybrings me to another function of the Victor I've found myself using more these days. I know you can take voice memos on the Iphone, but for some reason I find it a slightly more clunky process in general, especially deleting them, and when you just want something you can quickly pick up and pull information off, eg, what gate to go to, what your seat numbers on a plane are, all the times etc, then I find the Victor's notes function rather more convenient for just snapping on an d checking and then deleting when your done, I've used it on trains this way several times already.I also find that if I want to take down a person's contact details, it's easier to point the victor at them, ask them to speak their name rank and cerial number, then add those details to the Iphone when there is time. Again, another reason it's nice to have different devices. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242873#p242873 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @Figment, Sebby has indeed tried Itunes on a pc and is not unsympathetic to the idea that it's a pain, (Sebby was one of the people who first recommended the Victor to me), he just happens to like the way Apple does things on their own devices, which is intrinsically not a problem. heck I am stil considering getting a mac myself being as there will come a point that Xp and the internet won't cooperate and I would be happier moving my net browsing over to Apple than the significantly more annoying versions of post Xp windows.Might I suggest letting that part of the conversation laps sinse there's not really all that much else to say. @Sebby, yep, the degradation in quality is also the reason I don't bother with the hole bluetooth headset thing for serious stuff, if I want to play on speakers I have my very good logitech quad speakers attached to my pc with a custom created Winamp Eq file, and for just standard audiobooks when it's just the nar rator's voice I find the Victor's own speaker more than adequate anyway. For headphones, I have the momentum ones for amazingly good stuff, while for travel I use a set of sanheisa earbuds. I can't recall the serial number, but they're without a doubt the best quality thing you can get for about thirty quid, (I got them for twenty last time on offer).Actually I have a miner peve with Apple on this, sinse last time I bought some new earbuds, I found a slightly better pare for fourty quid, and didn't realize after I bought them that they were of that annoying Apple specific type, luckily the nice hifi shop exchanged them for me when i explained that no, I didn't just want to use them on my Iphone which at that point I was still using for music.I did used to have a rather nice set of sanheisa wireless ones with a charger. Amusingly enough sinse because of the slope of the hill the Colidge entrance where I lived was above me two floors u p, I could actually set something goin in my room and hop upstairs to get pizza delivered all without leaving my music/audio drama, I even got a very early experience of mobile computer use back in the early 2000's between those headphones and my wireless keyboard (people said it was very weerd to see me sitting on the bench outside by the lake typing away with my headphones on).To be honest though, it's easier to take the player and a wire than mess around with something that needs it's own charger anyway, indeed I've got quite adept at wandering around my flat doing housework, or even going outside with my dog with a pare of headphones on and my Victor in my breast pocket. Needless to say between my Victor and my Iphone, I don't think I'm going to get board on my flight to the states, though for the first time I'll need to use Aeroplane mode for it's intended purpose on both devices .This actuallybrings me to another function of the Victor I've found myself using more these days. I know you can take voice memos on the Iphone, but for some reason I find it a slightly more clunky process in general, especially deleting them, and when you just want something you can quickly pick up and pull information off, eg, what gate to go to, what your seat numbers on a plane are, all the times etc, then I find the Victor's notes function rather more convenient for just snapping on and checking and then deleting when your done, I've used it on trains this way several times already.I also find that if I want to take down a person's contact details, it's easier to point the victor at them, ask them to speak their name rank and cerial number, then add those details to the Iphone when there is time. Again, another reason it's nice to have different devi ces. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242873#p242873 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? I feel the same way regarding how I'll listen to the Victor Reader Stream, if its just talking books or podcasts, the built in speaker is more than adequate for the job. For music, I have a pair of J4 JBuds that I really like that have excellent sound quality, even for bass, which is hard to find in earbuds. Most that I've tried had a rather tinny sound. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242881#p242881 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? I don't know if I've seen the j4 ones there Figment, of all the models I tried Sanheisa's earbuds were best for that sort of price, though actually earbuds aren't expensive anyway, not compared to something like the momentums, but equally they're for a different job. I also have a rather cool tin to keep them in in my shoulder bag. It looks like a tobacco tin, accept it's got a purple dragon on the front, it also keeps them really safe from being squashed or damaged, plus I keep some spare rubbers in there too. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242920#p242920 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Dark,Years ago when I was using a Zune media player, I wanted better quality earphones than what came with the Zune. While shopping I ran across the J4 JBuds, they were described as being ruggedized with metal bodies and tangle proof cords. They came with a carrying case to protected them while not in use.My back pack had a compartment specifically for a media player. that had a rubberized hole for the earphone cord to pass through. When not in use I always stored the earphones in their carrying case in the compartment with the Zune media player.Even though it was designed for it, I never put the Zune in that compartment when I was using it. If I was riding a vehicle, usually a bus or commuter train, I just held it in my hands while listening to it. If I was walking, I just stuck it in a pocket.I still have the earphones, and they still sound great, so I see no reason to spend money on another pair.Sebby,As luck would have it. I did the fa ctory reset and cleaned up the iPod of fingerprints, and repacked it and all its accessories back in its original package, the day before iOS 9.2 was released. I haven't yet decided whether it's worth the hassle to unpack it to install the update. I'll probably wait until I'm about to pack it for shipment to whomever buys it from me to do any updating that might be needed. On the other hand, remembering how much of a hassle it was to get past that initial screen with all the flags, I may just leave it for the new owner to do. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242932#p242932 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? I held off my weekly backup of my system until the work with the music library was completed, then after it was copied to the Victor Reader Stream, I did the system backup.After the system back up was done, I uninstalled iTunes, Apple application support, Apple Mobile device support, and Bon Juor, which is also something from Apple, whit it is, I have no idea, and I don't care. I also cleaned up the file system and system registry of the uninstaller left overs.For backing up the SD Card, I keep a copy of my music library on my PC, and for the other folders and files, I will just copy them to a backup location on my PC before I do my weekly backup.For speakers, if I want them, I have a pair of Altec Lansing powered computer speakers that would be nice enough for my needs. I don't use them on the computer because they became inconvenient.All I need now is the authorization key file so the Victor Reader Stream can play the talking books from NLS BARD, and that is in progress.As far as Apple goes, I agree with Dark, I'll take what I like, which isn't very much, and Apple can have the rest.Sebby, let me guess, you use a Mac instead of a PC. If so, then it no wonder you like iTunes, if so , maybe you should try it on a PC before you dismiss our dislike of iTunes for Windows. Believe me, the experience between iTunes on the Mac versus iTune for Windows is vastly different. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242857#p242857 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Excellent.Now back that content up; you don't want to lose your hard work. And buy a second SD card (they're cheap) and a fast card reader. Also get some decent speakers and/or headphones, if necessary, for round-the-house roaming. I'm only sorry the Stream doesn't have Bluetooth.Reset the iPod: Settings, General, Reset. Erase all content and settings. Now you can flog it. As an added courtesy, flash it to the latest firmware using ... uh, never mind.Clear up your iPhone. Settings, General, Storage and iCloud usage. Check out what you have, and delete anything you can't get from the cloud (i.e. the stuff you sync across that can't be obtained from Apple's stores or from content-downloading apps such as Podcasts). You lose this content by performing a full reset as above, so make sure the cloud is on for anything you need.Now look more closely at the list of apps on your PC. Apple Software Update and Quicktime merit spe cial attention.Now look through your PC's filesystem and possibly also the registry. Purge every last trace of Apple you can find. Make sure, of course, that you intend to do so first; for example make sure the stuff in your library is all accounted for.And, as you Merkins delightfully put it, you're done! I'm glad you've found your happy place.My main music library is over 70 GB and a lot of it in lossless formats. Alas, I can't share in the fun. Fortunately for me, I personally don't need to. Unfortunately for me, this issue will come up again pretty soon when I move my media onto my NAS. Wish Apple would get their shit together and provide a half-decent server solution. Meantime, iTunes Match works. Yes it requires iTunes, but if I really wanted I could use something else because my Internet connection is quite good. When I move to a NAS, I'll have to stop using Music and go to another app. Drat. But let's not rehash al l that.As for your dislike of Apple, is it not possible that some customers simply _like_ the way that Apple does things? Even if they don't _like_ the way Apple does everything? And do you also not think it possible that, in some cases, the good will outweigh the bad? Or that, viewed objectively, Apple has the best solution available for solving a problem, of all the different possible approaches, even if you factor in the compromises necessary to deal with Apple's other priorities (read: love of money)? (Substitute "Apple" with whichever favourite fanboy brand most suits for the given situation and "Love of money" with "Privacy invasion" as necessary; they're all the same.)As a technologist, I wish I could get all worked up about these issues. As someone just trying to enjoy my media, phones, computers, whatever, not so much. And seriously, feel free to donate to the FSF, to help their campaign against DRM and proprietary software. We could all use a little help there. Every bit counts. I donate whenever I can. Their Defective By Design campaign is particularly wonderful. The EFF also warrants some attention for their work in the same space.As for Internet Explorer, I'm afraid there's bad news for you coming up; MS will only support whichever version was last supported on any given OS. Details here. So, you'd best make plans to move to another browser to keep your security. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242840#p242840 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Agree with the summary of consumerism. Very apt. Well Bluetooth is good for getting a whole load of portable speakers and headsets to play your stuff from any device, although of course it's mostly about convenience. The quality always degrades a bit due to the encoding of the audio over Bluetooth, but usually not enough to be a problem for simple stand speakers while listening to audiobooks. My cordless headphones use Kleer, which takes more bandwidth and has much worse latency, but is lossless. Sennheiser also, of course. Requires AC power for the charger pod and transmitter, so not practical while I'm on holiday. My usual travel headphones (which, ironically, I ended up buying in Turkey) were not good enough for a much longer stay in the same country, so I went (possibly to the same shop in the same city) to pick up a somewhat better pair. I'm still looking fo r a decently-priced pair of travel headphones, preferably by Sennheiser. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242848#p242848 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Well on the Apple debate I've said my bit earlier. I have no problem that some people like Itunes, it's just annoying Apple don't provide any alternative for people who don't like Itunes, but Apple don't give a crap about annoyence or satisfaction so hay. I'll just take what I want and not what I don't, as I do with microsoft, and there's not really much else to say, other than noting the general stupidity of the collective and the cruddiness of the unrestricted capitalist system that supports it. To be a little more practical, I've been surprised just how many formats the victor does! support. The only one I've found it won't play is mp2, indeed I was rather surprised when I found it had no problem with M4b or Og, though obviously it won't play any custom game music formats. As to folders, I'm glad the system works, though myself I just tend to stick folders on the Victor as I need them, for exa mple, when I was singing a song from Westside story and wanted a copy of just that song on my victor to listen to before the performance, I just created a folder called "practice" in the music directory which I deleted when I was done (along with the copy of that song). Actually, I'm going to the states for christmas to see my lady, and it's great that I can take my entire books and music collection just by taking a passport drive, my Victor and a laptop (albiet I probably would've taken the laptop anyway). Actually I never even bothered with an sd card reader, sinse while the usb transfer onto the victor is a wee bit slow, it's not slow enough to be a major hassle, or at least not for me, after all I'm used to doing something else while I wait for file transfers (it's how I do my backups).As to Bluetooth, I've not really got the point of bluetooth for the victor unless you wanted a wireless headset, and to be honest my best headphones, my Sanheisa momentums (which actually cost more than the victor did), are wired anyway. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242844#p242844 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Whew! My 32 GB SD card for the Victor Reader Stream arrived yesterday, so I spent the whole day rearranging my music collection so I could use folders instead of having to create playlists. Its the same method Dark uses, he told me about it, and I liked it. Thanks, Dark!It was a long task to with 2100 individual tracks scattered into 350 folders. Some folders only had a single track in it and some had whole multi disc albums. Most files needed renaming, either to remove the track number from the name, or to add it, if it was part of an album I wanted to keep intact. But I got it done and loaded it and all my BARD books (talking books in encrypted MP3 format), some books from Book Share books (DAISY text), and about 30 podcasts, and still had 10 GB left.And the best part is, it's all more accessible than it was when it was on an iPod, and I no longer have to fuss with iTunes, it was a joy to run its uninstaller!.Sebbby,No, I don't hate Ap ple, nor do I hate its customers. I just don't like the way they do things and expect you the customer to heel like a good little doggy to their way of thinking.They're not alone, I don't like decisions Microsoft has made regarding Internet Explorer. Such as removing the option to disable tabbed browsing in IE 11, Or beginning with IE 9, to moving the download query from the very accessible dialog it was in to the not so screen reader friendly notification bar. But at least with IE I still had a choice to not update to those versions I didn't like. I decided to live with the notification bar, so I'm using IE 10.With Apple's iDevices, you have no choice if you want to load your media library on your iDevice. You have to use iTunes or nothing at all, an no media library on your iDevice if you choose not to use iTunes.You could do something like uploading your library to something like dropbox or sendspace, but if your internet speeds aren't super fast, even a small library could take a while to upload and then download. Not very efficient. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242718#p242718 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Indeed. Paying for music means, if nothing else, that *some* of the money goes to the artist. Pirating absolutely guarantees that *none* of it does. That's why I buy. It depresses me to no end that this means supporting many of the very things I hate, but alas, the "Free" market allows for no middle ground. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242541#p242541 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @Figment: fair enough, we'll agree to disagree. But I thought you said it wasn't about your hatred of Apple or its customers. Indeed. Paying for music means, if nothing else, that *some* of the money goes to the artist. Pirating absolutely guarantees that *none* of it does. That's why I buy. It depresses me to no end that this means supporting many of the very things I hate, but alas, the "Free" market allows for no middle ground. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242541#p242541 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Jack, absolutely. And that's one of the things that technology like the Internet is doing for artists. Back in the day, you either got a contract with a record label or nobody knew who the heck you were.Now a days, artists can make their own recordings, and distribute their music themselves over the internet or through social menia and reach listeners around the world with out ever setting foot in a recording studio or the offices of a record label.It makes a wide variety of music available to audiences that might otherwise have never had a chance to hear it. I'm picky about the music I like, so more often than not I won't care for the music being offered, but at least I had a chance to hear it.The only free music I have in my collection are some tracks from Amazon's free track of the day promotion they were doing a few years ago, and the U2 album that was given away to everybody that had an iTunes account last summer, and other similar pro motions, suffice it to say that the music was being given away.All the rest were either ripped from purchased CDs or recorded from purchased vinyl records. Now that's an interesting project if you are ever inclined to try it. I had a couple of albums left over that had never made it to CDs or digital music, so I had to create the digital music tracks myself. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242391#p242391 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Figment wrote:No thanks, that sounds too much like piracy for my tastes.By paying for my nusic through a reputable source, I know the music in my library has been legally acquired and the artists have been paid for their work.payed for their work? I hope you are not that seriousP.S as a musician I also hate piracy, but let's not think although publishers are saints of all URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242240#p242240 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? No, I'm not that naive. But if I buy music from a reputable music store, the artists have a better chance of being paid than if I ripped it from a youtube video. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242247#p242247 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? As a sidenote that's why so many artists are going independent or are starting off independent, because they can distribute music on their own terms. Artist s get a fraction of what we pay because of the recordlabels taking most of it. On bandcamp, for example, artists can use the name your price method, and they're getting all people pay. Better still, contracted or not, it's just better to pay for music anyways. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242321#p242321 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Figment: no, I'm really not wrong, you simply want a feature out of the box that iOS devices don’t provide. Download Dropbox from the App Store, and put your music and videos in your Dropbox. Now you have music and videos, without iTunes. Or install VLC, which also supports iCloud. There are local disk apps too which pretend to be file servers, SMB client apps for your network shares, public streaming services like Spotify or Apple or Google Music, and of course any protocol that allows remote access will work (Stream To Me, Transmit/SSH, etc). Finally, if it's about the cable, there are still other options for accessing the media folder itself (but not the structure) such as DiskAid, although these rely on understanding a closed protocol. And various alternative media managers, specifically MediaMonkey, support iOS directly, albeit less well than iTunes can. You have, as I said, more choice now than you've ever had. The wonderful irony, of course, is that you are absolutely correct that Apple were once blocking competition; the original iPod was a mass storage device and Apple locked out competitors by encrypting the database file with secrets only known to iTunes, and added insult to injury by inviting you to use that iPod in "Disk mode" to access any free space, which presented an empty drive with a hidden directory on it to operating systems, but no music. That's impractical today because mass storage requires exclusive access to the filesystem, so nobody does it. Happily, nowadays you only require iTunes for the making of local backups, and if you're willing to forego even those, there's always iCloud. It's also the only way to fully restore the firmware on your device, if the need arises, and to access iTunes Match if you want to store your music in the Apple cloud for use by the Music app, which is another effective way to cut the chord. It's honestly a shame iTunes is such a useful piece of software; I'd love nothing more than to see it torn to pieces, so people could pick and choose the bits they want. Perhaps, if Apple ever figures out how to derive all information from file structure, it could be copy-paste-compatible or iOS could move to MTP like Android does (currently unsupported by Mac OS without third-party tools, BTW). Until then the best you can do is tag your files and transfer them using the iTunes manual sync mode. And much as I believe Apple deserves bad karma for lock-in, this doesn't strike me as in any sense anti-competitive; at best it’s just particularly annoying to Windows users.Interesting history you had there with Apple. FWIW, I had a brief encounter with OS 9 (a musician friend of mine) and it all seemed very parochial then, too. I think that Apple rightly earned its reputation for being, in essence, AOL for computer users. At this time, Apple did not have an accessibility solution of its own. But I didn’t move to the Mac until OS X Leopard in 2008 (I was distinctly unimpressed when Tiger first came out with VoiceOver), when Microsoft were still trying to figure out how to do user interfaces and becoming very envious of the competition with the disastrous result that was Vista, and Apple were simply changing the rules on accessibility with a rock-solid general-purpose OS, and that was a very good time indeed to be an advocate. Not sure I could still say that, but I guess the prove is in the pudding, since I’m not using Windows or Android. There was no contest in the smartphone wars either; by the time Android came out with TalkBack, iOS was already streaks ahead.Nowadays, I think Apple’s business priorities are distinctly less pro-user and distinctly more pro-business with the success of its stores and iOS and the resulting “iOSification” of OS X, and with the new leadership, I’ve been trying to get off the addiction. Apple’s grasp of accessibility is very good, though, so it’s quite difficult to justify. As things stand, going back to Windows just hurts my head, iOS is buggy but still the best, Android is in what seems to be a perpetual state of near-readiness and OS X is stable and robust, has fewer choices and is clearly in decay as iOS takes it over, but is still a great joy to use. I’m largely all right with the iOS and OS X integration, although I’m increasingly annoyed by Apple’s dumbing down of OS X to meet the needs of iOS users. I’m not convinced this can be totally ignored, but it can definitely be worked around. Even without considering accessibility, I’m a big believer in going with what your needs dictate. It sounds to me like your objections are primarily based on principle, and maybe you’d benefit from looking at the landscape again yourself with an eye out for more practical concerns, to see which actually suits you best. Choices aren’t always optimal. Personally, my sympathies for the positive points of the Windows accessibility market are more than hurt by Windows’ continued lack of user interface f
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Re: Where do you get your music? Sebby, Again you completely missed my point, I believe intentionally, because your blind love of all things Apple have blinded you to alternative possibilities, so we'll just agree to disagree. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242132#p242132 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @Sebby, even though Drm for all content is something hat Apple have had to relax on, I still am of the opinion the implicit difficulties with Itunes interacting with anything none Apple are entirely intentional on Apple's part. As to getting stuff from Itunes, several times I tried ripping cds into Itunes to see if I could find them. I could play them with the play menu but could I find the files? could I hell. In the same way, I never really got the hole sink thing, sinse all I wanted to do was put stuff on my Iphone from my existing library, what did it need to sink for? When however I did sink stuff, unless I created playlist folders to mirror my own folder structure, I couldn't find them on the phone either, or mirrors of them in the my music/itunes folder. Of course, Itunes is such an unwieldy hog to navigate with all it's trees and macabre functions (why the hell a media system has to be used for backing up ap data and god knows what), it's entirely possible I made a mistake, however why should! I! have to be the one who has to "Get used to" Apple's program and way of doing things, I'm the customer, Apple should serve me! Then again I know that's a radical idea for most modern businesses who tend to view customers as simply a convenient way to convert sellables into prophet with no more individual desire than a conveyer belt.Compare the situation to just plugging in my Victor stream and going copy with whatever the heck I want, indeed the first time I did this last October the ease was amazing! no more difficult than when I used to copy stuff onto my laptop. As I said, that people like Itunes and libraries and such I don't have a problem with, my problem is the "one way or else!" attitude, which is why until Apple give us a usable file system for putting media on and off Ios devices I shan't be either buying anything through Itunes on my phone o r playing any media on it either.All that being said, I can say in terms of pure hardware and some functions of the Os I do like the Ios system very much, heck I was well impressed last night trying out blindfold breakout with just how fun controlling the bat with a gyro was, reminded me of playing the original Atari version with those twistable paddle controllers. So, please don't mistake me for a total Apple Hater, I'm just a total Itunes hater :d. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241977#p241977 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Sebby;Ah, but that is where you are wrong. If you want to load media on your iOS device, your only choice is iTunes. Apple could have been people friendly and simply made their devices look like external mass storage devices with preset folders for where to put things, like music, videos, podcasts, books, etc. The let the users organize things their way.Or if they had to have iTunes, make it flexible enough to work with the user, like Microsoft did with their Zune software, not against them.Sebby wrote:Are you sure you don't just hate Apple and all its satisfied customers with a burning passion?Now, let's not get personal.As for Apple, I was a huge fan during the Apple 2's heyday, I worked at an Apple dealer doing customer service and technical support, and was well known around the area for my skills with the Apple 2, there wasn't anything I couldn't find a way to accomplish with it. I saw the original Macintosh before the rest of the world did during the service and support training I took in preparation for its release. I didn't like it from the start, you were too isolated from the machine for my tastes. Then Jobs started a civil war within Apple between the Apple 2 and Macintosh teams that caused the demise of the Apple 2 and almost drove Apple itself out of business. When I saw where the Apple 2 was going with the Apple 2gs, I sold off all my Apple 2 stuff while the gittin' was good, and jumped into the IBM compatible PC market with both feet and ignored Apple ever since.The only reason I have an iPhone now is because, two years ago I needed an accessible phone and Android's accessibility back then was pretty bad.Same for the iPod, the only reason I have it is because I needed something accessible to replace my inaccessible Zune player.Now I have the very accessible Victor Reader Stream to rep lace the iPod, which will be sold, which needs no proprietary software to load menia on it. Just plug it into a USB port and it shows up as a mass storage device. Easy, peasy.The contract for my iPhone expires this month, so if I want to I can now change phones, I plan to revisit Android because I liked it so much better than iOS.No, I don't hate Apple or its customers, I just choose to want more choices than Apple wants to give me, so I choose to avoid them as much as I can.iOS is a walled garden, and no matter how pleasant you make it, a prison is still a prison. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241979#p241979 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @Figment, while I've made my own thoughts on Itunes very clear, I will say that whatever else, the Iphone is a superior experience as a basic tablet/smartphone, both in terms of it's own native access, and in terms of what has been created for it. Yes, those developers had to pay Apple, but as I said there's a point of taking the bad with the good, and Ios has a lot of good especially for Vi users. Games, useful aps from satnav to identification software, natively useful functions like Siri etc.Feel free to try out Android if you wish. For me however the decision to buy an Iphone was always based on the fact of what I could do with it, and with games like king of dragon pass, Pappasangre and much more going it wasn't really a contest, indeed even now in terms of purely usable applications and games and such the Android situation could be better. I have also heard Android can! still have access problems due to the amount of different service providers mucking about with the os configuration and the fact that one Android device might not have even basic optimized functions for Accessibility, indeed I did hear talkback had troubles with basic html pages outside of Google chrome, though it is entirely possible that problem was fixed. I'm not going to start the Android debate, particularly sinse personally as Android has far less available games and applications than Ios it was never something I considered or looked into myself, and so my knolidge is second hand. I however would recommend considering that just because Apple's handling of media and intigration is pretty crappy, that doesn't mean everything iss, rabbid fans or not. Myself, I'll take the good and find alternatives to the bad stuff, which is why I have a pocket in my shoulder bag reserved just for my Iphone, my Victor, and my earbuds which I keep in a very awesome little tin with a dragon on it, because dragons are cool! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241988#p241988 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @Figment, if I had just wanted a phone, I'd probably have stuck with the nockier I had in 2012. It had no features at all and was at the same time %100 inaccessible, and yet completely accessible, because while it had no speech whatsoever, it was just a phone and did nothing else (even the answer phone was provided by my mobile provider not a function of the phone itself). Obviously it depends upon the person, but for me I was mainly interested in the Iphone as more than a phone. I got the Iphone rather than the Ipad because it seemed silly to miss out on a talking phone if I was getting the rest, but the phone, including texting and e-mail was only part of it.Even if your not at all interested in games on Ios though there are lots of very useful access related aps. One for example I use a lot is blind square, which tells you the locations and descriptions of objects around you. There are also several volunteer services where you point your phone at an obj ect and a person on the other end will identify it for you. There is a barcode reader that will scan and automatically identify common household products (will it will in the states apparently it doesn't work on none Us stuff), etc. then there are basic things like Siri, for example when planning my upcoming trip to america I needed an instant currency convertion to see how much my traveller's checks would be so just asked siri to convert the amount. In fairness Android does have a similar thing to siri, though whether it works the same way and is as useful I'm not sure of.This isn't to say "don't use android!" just to point out that there are lots of bennifits to Ios that for me at least make it worth it despite the cruddiness of it's media intigration. As to Ios 9, personally with each Ios version I've always wated a good few version upgrades before I bother installing the new os. I did with 7 and 8 and I inte nd to with 9. That way software gets updated, bugs get squashed, and over all performance gets faster. I recall terrible complaints about Ios 8 slowdown originally, which sinse got fixed, indeed I get the strong impression Apple is very quick to rush out Os updates and then have to fill in the cracks later, though fortunately at least with 7 and 8 they've done this, so I don't see why it'll be different with 9. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242007#p242007 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Dark,For me, the number of games there are doesn't mean any thing, to me, my phone is a communication and information device, not an entertainment device.I said I would look at Android, not that I would switch. I may not care for iOS and Apple's controlling nature, but I care more about accessibility.My first two smart phones were Android phones, the first was made by Motorola and was a fabulous phone, of course back then I could still see so accessibility wasn't an issue. My second phone was made by LG, I didn't like it very much. Where my first phone just looked like a mass storage device to my computer, the second phone required custom drivers and custom software to access it and I could never get the drivers to work, any attempt to install them crashed Windows.Plus, I started needing accessibility functions while I was using that phone. Everyone with phones made by Samsung, Motorola, etc. said that Talkback was great, but, I had nothing but trouble with it on my LG phone. One problem was that if Talkback was active you could not answer the phone because Talkback swallowed the gesture to answer the ccall so the phone never saw it. Another problem was that to make room for their customizations, LG removed many of the labels that Talkback needed, so for a lot of controls you just got generic stuff like, button, or graphic. Some controls without labels Talkback couldn't see or had nothing to say about them so it skipped over them looking for text to read. In all, the LG phone's accessibility was pretty bad. I made the mistake of updating my iPhone to iOS 9, I find it sluggish, and buggier than iOS 8. Apple really needs to spend some serious time fixing the many bugs iOS and it's accessibility features has rather than continuing to pile on more features that just make it slower and buggier.Both sides have their pros and cons, so we'll just agree to disagree, and leave it at that . URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242004#p242004 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? If I recall what I learned about CD technology what seems like a lifetime ago, though it must have been only yesterday, to get CD and track titles from a CD requires that the CD drive support CD text and that the CD have the CD text on it. Most CDs don't have it because it was a technology that never really took off. So it is largely ignored these days. Especially when just about everybody just uses the CD db over the internet to get the same information. Most CD rippers don't even bother to look for it on the CD. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242053#p242053 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? I think it was dark who asked about how you retrieve track titles using Audiograbber. It's pretty easy. All you have to do is, once you've inserted the CD and the tracklist appears, go into the CD menu, then click on get track names from Freedb. There's also an option to get track names from the CD itself, although I've never had any luck with that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242049#p242049 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @Figment, I thought there was a better product scanner than either of the ones you mention, though perhaps ask in a fresh topic.As regards backups, the cloud is probably what I'd use here sinse while I've got no problem with the hole jailbreak thing I'm not confident enough to avoid buggering my phone up in the process. Hopefully if Apple are going Sd card they might be considering actually opening file access somewhat, though I would bet on past performance it'll probably only take official I Sd cards from Apple's own sd card shop and only run with the new I spoons program .@Turtlepower thanks for the tip on audiograbber, that's handy to know. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242072#p242072 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Gene, have you tried the icloud backup? If that doesn't work, this may seem like a last resort, but, you're gonna need to jailbreak, open ssh access into your phone, ssh into your phone, then grab everything from the phone in a classic explorer like interface with some differences for copying and pasting. The advantage of this, if you're already jailbroken, is you don't need to use itunes, but the disadvantage, of course, is that you need to jailbreak if not done already. It's a shame that external mass storage hasn't been touched since the older android and windows phones. Apple, finally, has made an iphone compatible sd card reader. In the future, you could probably back up to that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242059#p242059 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Dark,If I switch, I'm not going backwards, Android will have to show that it's accessibility is at least as good as iOS's.The only really good bar code scanner was Red Laser, but it's turning out to be just a demo app to show off the developers bar code scanning sofrware. When it sees a bar code it either crashes to the home screen or returns an empty product information screen, and hasn't been updated in over a year. The next best bar code scanner is only useable if you know where the bar code is because the object and the camera have to be motionless for 5 seconds before it will even begin to recognize that it's looking at a bar code. So for now, I use Red Laser to find the bar code and Digit Eyes to identify the product.Instead of Blind Square, I chose to use a Trekker Breeze Plus, which I got the same time I ordered the Victor Reader Stream. That way I don't drain the phone's batteries by using it as a GPS navagater. Now I have another Apple created problem, I am having some problems with my iPhone so I want to do a full reset to see if that clears it up. Before I do the reset, I want to back up the phone, and as you know, that means using iTunes.Well, iTunes won't back up my phone because it thinks the phone is synced with another music library, iTunes solution? Erase the phone , then sync it with the current library! Erase the phone? But I want to back it up! Absolutely ridiculous! And effing stupid! And wonderful Apple in their can do no wrong, according to some people, greatness, provide no alternative so I can back up my phone.I know some people that dearly need this to happen to them, then maybe they'll open their eyes and see how falible their god is. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=242014#p242014 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? I agree on Itunes and Apple Figment. What worries me more are the amount of people who say "well it's your! fault for not complying with Apple if you want to use their products" As though Apple were some almighty god who's commandmants must not be broken. Apple are to me like any other company. Some things they do are great, some are not, and it's up to me as a rational individual to say what I find which way, but the amount of people who swallow everything and just turn into Apple's happy little drones is really quite scary. Even as far as Drm and restrictions go. As to Zune, I've heard of it but never used it, but then again as I said I've never really had a need for all that library stuff myself anyway. Again this is where I find Winamp still to be superior to most anything else. it plays stuff very efficiently (including in wonky game music formats), and though it has functions such as a library, equalizer, playlist editer etc, you just choose which bits you want showing and which to turn off. So the library is there if you want it and not if you don't. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241800#p241800 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Presumably because Apple thinks you'll appreciate their way of doing things. I actually quite like it; it makes for very many useful benefits; if nothing else you get a very nice jukebox and media manager. But I've no doubt Saint Jobs was well aware that the sex appeal of Apple's hardware products would be a useful draw for iTunes and its store, too. Just like proprietary media players that only used Windows Media Player's DRM would be just the thing for Microsoft's coffers, for instance. Of course you may provide substitutes for the bits of iTunes that you wouldn't otherwise get (remote and AirPlay, mostly) but it'll be much harder. File-based access only goes so far. You could use something like Stream To Me to get something like iTunes Match without the cloud. UPnP AV as opposed to AirPlay. Bluetooth or infra-red remotes. And so on. But only iTun es wraps it all up in a pretty package that's joyful to use if you're willing to make a few concessions and work a bit harder to get your files all tagged.Ah, Softonic. I fear that was your mistake. Don't grab files from them again. They are now just like the other parasites CNet download.com, FileHippo, Softpedia, SourceForge and, tragically, MacUpdate. Just do not download from third-party sites.Dark, I agree with you about iFanatics; they give the rational Apple product users a bad name. Sadly, what they dish out in turns of sheer crass devotion is more than made up by the numerous irrational Apple haters, who mostly take pride in their elitist attitude to technology (usually, it seems to me, on grounds of price) and refuse to acknowledge the genuinely fine points of Apple's ecosystem. Since both sides are equally wrong, I think it's altogether best to let the children fight it out in the playground and just watch from the sidelines. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241807#p241807 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Presumably because Apple thinks you'll appreciate their way of doing things. I actually quite like it; it makes for very many useful benefits; if nothing else you get a very nice jukebox and media manager. But I've no doubt Saint Jobs was well aware that the sex appeal of Apple's hardware products would be a useful draw for iTunes and its store, too. Just like proprietary media players that only used Windows Media Player's DRM would be just the thing for Microsoft's coffers, for instance. Of course you may provide substitutes for the bits of iTunes that you wouldn't otherwise get (remote and AirPlay, mostly) but it'll be much harder. File-based access only goes so far. You could use something like Stream To Me to get something like iTunes Match without the cloud. UPnP AV as opposed to AirPlay. Bluetooth or infra-red remotes. And so on. But only iTun es wraps it all up in a pretty package that's joyful to use if you're willing to make a few concessions and work a bit harder to get your files all tagged.Ah, Softonic. I fear that was your mistake. Don't grab files from them again. They are now just like the other parasites CNet download.com, FileHippo, Softpedia, SourceForge and, tragically, MacUpdate. Just do not download from third-party sites. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241807#p241807 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @Sebby, I disagree the "presumably because apple thinks you will like their way of doing things" attitude has any give and take to it. It's just like if you had a town with only three supermarkets and no other shops for miles, and one supermarket said "Well not only will we only stock our own produce, but you cannot come in with a shopping bag you didn't buy from us, or park in the driveway, or cook with our products if your mixing them with anyone else's" It's restrictive monopoly pure and simple. Apple could support file based playback, could support usb transfer, they just don't! and when you go on about clouds and data and what not, my brain goes la la la la la la why can't I just play the files on my computer like I always did? Oh yeah, sinse that wouldn't be making money for Apple. @Figment, despite the above semi diatribe about Apple's restrictions, I will say Apple has it's good points, sp; rabbid fan girls and boys not withstanding. I've had hours of fun out of my Iphone, and great access to many useful services. My lady had a windows phone, and even with basic phone functions it was infinitely inferior to Ios with it's built in voiceover, not to speak of all the other capabilities and software made for Ios. There is a good reason Ios is now probably the second most popular platform for audio games and useful applications for blind gamers, and that is because it's extremely usable, and for the most part highly efficient, despite the inequities with media, indeed it's the good qualities of things like the Ios interface, use of bluetooth, gyro controls etc not to mention Voiceover (which I have to say is a great way of accessing a touch screen), that make the hole Itunes situation get on my pecks so much. So, personally I would suggesd just as the Appl zealots are wrong, you shouldn't join the ranks of the irrationa l haters either, but just weight up the good and bad points yourself, use the bits you wish and not the bits you don't. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241837#p241837 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Dark,Yeah, I know all about Apple fan boys for whom Apple is a god and can do no wrong. Sounds like Sebby is one with that last post about how wonderful iTunes is.There are also plenty of Apple fan boys over at Applevis.com. Their general chat section says that your subjects should be restricted to anything about Apple products. The last time I looked, iTunes for Windows is an Apple product, so I thought my questions about it were appropriate. I was told that because the version of iTunes I was talking about didn't run on an Apple product, that my questions weren't appropriate, so they deleted them. I no longer participate in any discussions there, because I felt that they weren't being fair with me. They are a website about the accessibility of Apple products which was exactly what I wanted to get help with. iTunes is an Apple product and yet because I don't use a Macintosh, my questions were censered.It's attitudes like that from App le fan boys that drive people away from Apple. I am getting rid of my iPod, my next phone will not be an iPhone, and I will remove iTunes and anything else Apple, like Quicktime, from my computer. I'm sure the fan boys will be very happy they succeeded in chasing yet another customer away from their god. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241830#p241830 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @Sebby, I disagree the "presumably because apple thinks you will like their way of doing things" attitude has any give and take to it. It's just like if you had a town with only three supermarkets and no other shops for miles, and one supermarket said "Well not only will we only stock our own produce, but you cannot come in with a shopping bag you didn't buy from us, or park in the driveway, or cook with our products if your mixing them with anyone else's" It's restrictive monopoly pure and simple. Apple could support file based playback, could support usb transfer, they just don't! and when you go on about clouds and data and what not, my brain goes la la la la la la why can't I just play the files on my computer like I always did? Oh yeah, sinse that wouldn't be making money for Apple. As I've said before, I don't give a rat's rear end about any fof computery wootery, I don't care how! something works or what fancy names it's got, I care what I can do with it, and if I can't get my! media collection through Itunes without all these shenanigans,, itunes is an inferior program to Winamp pure and simple. Indeed I do wonder how much of both the marketing of Apple and Microsoft depends upon blinding people with science and the computery wootery, when actually much of the vaunted capabilities are things that could equally be done with any semi good media player, a usb mp3 player and decent file indexing.@Figment, despite the above semi diatribe about Apple's restrictions, I will say Apple has it's good points, rabbid fan girls and boys not withstanding. I've had hours of fun out of my Iphone, and great access to many useful services. My lady had a windows phone, and even with basic phone functions it was infinitely inferior to Ios with it's built in voiceover, not to speak of all the other capabilities and software made for Ios. There is a good reason Ios is now probably the second most popular platform for audio games and useful applications for blind gamers, and that is because it's extremely usable, and for the most part highly efficient, despite the inequities with media, indeed it's the good qualities of things like the Ios interface, use of bluetooth, gyro controls etc not to mention Voiceover (which I have to say is a great way of accessing a touch screen), that make the hole Itunes situation get on my pecks so much. So, personally I would suggesd just as the Appl zealots are wrong, you shouldn't join the ranks of the irrational haters either, but just weight up the good and bad points yourself, use the bits you wish and not the bits you don't. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241837#p241837 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @Figment:Concerning my status as a devoted Apple-worshipper, could be, could be. I'm hardly the most reliable person to suggest otherwise. But I do think iTunes fits my needs. If you don't agree, just don't use it. Apple is most certainly not forcing you--in fact, as things stand, you have more options than ever for doing without if you choose to. You will not get the same experience, but it's a compromise worth making if you think that iTunes gives you no benefits. Different spokes for different folks and all that. Just try not to cut your nose off to spite your face. Are you sure you don't just hate Apple and all its satisfied customers with a burning passion? I don't frequent AppleVis myself much either; I'm afraid things have got just a bit too obsessive for my taste. However, their articles and podcasts remain pretty excellent. If you find you can't get help from them, then the macvisionaries Google Group will certainly help you; despite the name, it discusses all of the Apple sphere including iOS, and there are certainly Windows-only users there too. I often check it out and the atmosphere is very friendly. You might give that a try.@Dark:My issue is not that I disagree it could be done better, or that I believe there could not be more choice. On the contrary, as I've often said, it gets on my nerves that Apple (or Microsoft, or Nokia, or Cisco, or whoever) have found ways to lock people in in ways that could easily have been avoided if interoperability were truly a priority. That doesn't change the fact that Apple simply chose one way of doing something (media management) which just happens to work better for one group at the expense of the other, and that the people for whom it is a useful abstraction are not in the slightest bit inconvenienced. Another way to think about this might be that if you were to start out your CD ripping project with iTunes, you might have finished up with a different opinion of iTunes than you do now. I'll be the first to throw a company under a bus for doing something clearly anti-consumer, but in this case I simply can't see how it is: you have a choice, you just prefer not to take it. That's awesome, but it's not some sort of conspiracy to exclude you from using your iPhone to play music, it's just a consequence of a choice that Apple made which simply means you can't use iTunes the way Apple designed it. Happily, as we know, you can work around all of the iTunes problems by ditching iOS as a music player (get a Stream, use different apps, whatever). That is something I'm wholeheartedly behind supporting people in doing if they choose to.And now, for something completely different:I just got a Sovereign USB memory stick player from RNIB (now sold out, sadly) for use as a Bluetooth speaker. It accepts USB memory sticks, and cost less than £50. No doubt also available from elsewhere for less. It's made by Kings Audio, and is about the most massively simple device imaginable. It's not suitable for taking about with you because it has two large speakers but it's battery-powered and portable. I am using it as my bedside player and am loving it. If you can get hold of one, you should. It has exactly four controls: start of folder reset, rewind/skip-back, play/pause, and fast-forward/skip-forward. Reset switches folders, and the other three controls do what you expect. The device saves its place when powered off, by means of its volume/power dial. And when there is no stick inserted, it becomes a Bluetooth speaker, which iOS or whatever can stream to for anything that can't be dumped on the stick (not supplied). It takes up to 32 GB FAT32-formatted media. And of course RNIB's free talking books are compatible with it. My stick now has about 18GB of audiobooks on it. This will make a great addition to my Stream. Bloody marvellous, if you can get one. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241842#p241842 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @Figment:Concerning my status as a devoted Apple-worshipper, could be, could be. I'm hardly the most reliable person to suggest otherwise. But I do think iTunes fits my needs. If you don't agree, just don't use it. Apple is most certainly not forcing you--in fact, as things stand, you have more options than ever for doing without if you choose to. You will not get the same experience, but it's a compromise worth making if you think that iTunes gives you no benefits. Different spokes for different folks and all that. Just try not to cut your nose off to spite your face. Are you sure you don't just hate Apple and all its satisfied customers with a burning passion? I don't frequent AppleVis myself much either; I'm afraid things have got just a bit too obsessive for my taste. However, their articles and podcasts remain pretty excellent. If you find you can't get help from them, then the macvisionaries Google Group will certainly help you; despite the name, it discusses all of the Apple sphere including iOS, and there are certainly Windows-only users there too. I often check it out and the atmosphere is very friendly. You might give that a try.Now, for something completely different:I just got a Sovereign USB memory stick player from RNIB (now sold out, sadly) for use as a Bluetooth speaker. It accepts USB memory sticks, and cost less than £50. No doubt also available from elsewhere for less. It's made by Kings Audio, and is about the most massively simple device imaginable. It's not suitable for taking about with you because it has two large speakers but it's battery-powered and portable. I am using it as my bedside player and am loving it. If you can get hold of one, you should. It has exactly four controls: start of folder reset, rewind/skip-back, play/pause, and fast-forward/skip-forward. Reset switches folders, and the other three controls do what you expect. The device saves its place when powered off, by means of its volume/power dial. And when there is no stick inserted, it becomes a Bluetooth speaker, which iOS or whatever can stream to for anything that can't be dumped on the stick (not supplied). It takes up to 32 GB FAT32-formatted media. And of course RNIB's free talking books are compatible with it. My stick now has about 18GB of audiobooks on it. This will make a great addition to my Stream. Bloody marvellous, if you can get one. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241842#p241842 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @Sebby, I'm afraid this is probably where we agree to disagree sinse we perceive the situation differently. You like Itunes organization, I do not. I've got no problem about people liking things that I don't, my problem is that Apple have not given those who do not like their way of doing things an alternative, or made Itunes flexible enough to fit the needs of people who just want to do their own organizing by files.I personally do think the motivation for this is intentionally obstructive and meant to create a monopoly, but I am the first to admit that my opinions of the motivations of any large coorporation are coloured by my marxist perspective. On a less philosophical level, as I said,I definitely don't regard Apple as all badat all, nor would I confuse the opinions of some fans with the company itself, (I once met a total git who represented greenpeace!). As to your bluetooth speaker player, sounds very similar to th e boombox I bought for my dad. It's basically as you describe, but a radio when the stick is out instead of a bluetooth speaker. As basic as it goes, but perfect for my dad and a great way for me to share my audiobooks with him, indeed it was ironic that though my dad is fully endowed with eyeballs it took a vi product to be simple enough for his technical skills or lack there of. And that! is definitely a case of something that is no use to me, not with my complex folders and subfolders and what not, but very useful to someone else. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241854#p241854 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @Sebby, I'm afraid this is probably where we agree to disagree sinse we perceive the situation differently. You like Itunes organization, I do not. I've got no problem about people liking things that I don't, my problem is that Apple have not given those who do not like their way of doing things an alternative, or made Itunes flexible enough to fit the needs of people who just want to do their own organizing by files and folders. Contrast the case of Itunes with that of the Seagate external drive I bought the other day. it has Seagate's own proprietory (and I believe inaccessible), backup software on there if you want to install it. I however simply deleted Seagate's program and did a bog standard copy of what I want on the drive, no harm, no foul. Now why can't I do that with my Iphone? Just load on what music I want and if I bought music take it off the same way?I personally do think the motivation for this is intentionally obstructive and meant to create a monopoly, where Itunes is the only purchicing and distribution method people use to interact with Apple devices, indeed they tried a similar thing with the lightning connector system in place of Usb or changing the ring configuration on the standard 3.5 cm headphone jacks so the Iphone would only take Apple licensed connectors. This is a tendency both Apple and Microsoft have shown. They can give it fancy names like vertical intigration or centralization or what not, but to me it's "You must buy all our products!" No different from those coffee makers that only take refills from the specific company who made them and can't be used to either make coffee from any other producer, or even from scratch.As I said, if you like Itunes fare enough, however Apple should by rights stop being a hog for those of us who don't and won't be convinced by Apple's propergander that just because the big almighty coorporat ion say so that doesn't mean it is best or even what we want. Indeed in a lot of ways I personally am capitalism's worst nightmare, a person who knows exactly what he wants for himself rather than being convinced of what he wants by any company.On a less philosophical level, as I said,I definitely don't regard Apple as all badat all, nor would I confuse the opinions of some fans with the company itself, (I once met a total git who represented greenpeace!). Itunes and media in general aside, there are many things in the Iphone I really! like, and depending upon the improvements from the Iphone 5, I'll possibly be getting a series 7 phone and maybe still a Mac.As to your bluetooth speaker player, sounds very similar to the boombox I bought for my dad. It's basically as you describe, but a radio when the stick is out instead of a bluetooth speaker. As basic as it goes, but perfect for my dad and a great way for me to share my audioboo ks with him, indeed it was ironic that though my dad is fully endowed with eyeballs it took a vi product to be simple enough for his technical skills or lack there of. And that! is definitely a case of something that is no use to me, not with my complex folders and subfolders and what not, but very useful to someone else, however fortunately I'm not forced to use one and can have my Victor Stream instead :D. Btw, the one problem with the boombox is that it takes no account of folders at all. It'll play all files in alpha numeric order. So when I put stuff on for my dad, I can't even put two episodes of a radio drama if they're in episode folders ripped from the original discs with each having numbered tracks. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241854#p241854 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @Dark: fair enough, I agree that this is the point where we agree to disagree. I think that was the conclusion of the last conversation we had on this subject, too. I hate to suggest that your opinion is not relevant--it's entirely relevant--but I can see that it's quite sufficiently settled that I'm not going to change it.As to motive, well it's certainly known that Apple intentionally locked iTunes to iPod, and that this occurred at a time of pronounced music sales through Apple's store. That at the time the store came into effect, most of iTunes true virtues as an awesome jukebox faded into the background. No surprises there, none at all. And of course the store was selling DRM, so people didn't have a choice about where they played their music after purchasing it from the store, with the locking to iTunes guaranteeing that no other store could take its place. That was then: DRM is since gone, but the tie-in between iTunes and iOS and iPod i s still strong. So, if you don't like libraries, you will find the process of using iOS Music unpleasant. I will stress again, just one more time: you can use iTunes to sync files outside the iTunes library, without using it as a player. You just have to provide some tags, in any application, in order to get meaningful track names on your iOS device. This will be the case for anything you buy from any music store now, for example Amazon. iTunes lock-in, for me, is now entirely limited to the DRM in Apple's other stuff--films, TV episodes, etc. I do not regard these as valuable enough to fret over the portability of them, and will never buy DRM content I regard as valuable, only CDs and DVDs. In this regard I believe we are both similarly philosophically aligned.As for the Sovereign, it definitely handles subdirectories. I have no idea why it has such a wide mainstream appeal, but I can certainly see why many blind people would like it a lot. It really is braindead s imple. Perhaps, as you said, the appeal is in the simplicity. My old USB2 memory stick containing wav files of the audiobooks in their original subdirectory layout is handled just fine, one directory per press of the reset key, no matter the depth of nesting. Very nice. The rips that originally came from my iTunes library had to be converted to MP3 or WAV which is easy enough to do. RNIB delivers the book files already in MP3 on the root of their little drives. Anybody can get these now from the Talking Book Service. It really does feel like the good old days of listening to talking books. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241875#p241875 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Sebby,I agree that real pulldown menus would be best of all the couices we are given. As much as it help, I have found that not only does the "Use Ribbons" option rearrange the ribbons into some semplance of pulldown menus, but it also removes some choices that I know for certain are there from before I lost my vision and used Office daily. I can forgive if they can't make the menu hot keys work, but leaving out menu choices is just plain dumb.Someday I may try turning off the option to see if that brings back all the choices that were originally ther. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241664#p241664 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @Figment, I did the same with itunes, turning off everything, which indeed was how I found the sidebar thing sinse I noticed much more hassle and far less feedback about position when I turned it off as opposed to when it was on, a shame Apple did away with it altogether in Itunes 12. As to Ribbons, I'm afraid I'm with Sebby here, give me a streight menue with clear submenues any day that has horizontal categories and vertical subcategories.I also personally am not a huge fan of curser specific stuff sinse generally you need to pin the curser to wherever you want before looking at the top of the screen with a virtual curser, which is just needless extra hassle and memorization where as an old style menue bar just has everything in the same place whatever. A menu bar doesn't have to clutter the interface, you can hide them and just get there with alt. However, this is again why there should be customizable interfaces rather than the tendency of "you will get what your given and like it!" which is something both Apple and Microsoft are guilty of. As to Mp3va, yeah, i checked all those "all results" but with the results spread over different random genres I wasn't exactly sure which link was best to look where for something like John Williams. I'll have another go and see if I can make a bit more sense of the thing. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241650#p241650 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Dark,I agree, the classic pulldown menus are better, with the menus lined up horizontaly, left and right arrows, then the submenus verticle, up and down arrows. When the "Use Ribbins" is turned off, the ribbons are a pain, but when it is turned on, the ribbons are rearranged so that each ribbon is a menu just like in a menu bar, and the contents of each ribbon is the vertical pulldown menu. You can't make the ribbons go away, but with the "use Ribbins" option they may as well not be there.If you are at all interested in mp3va, experiment with it a bit, their indexing and cateforizing sometimes leaves something to be desired, but if they have what you are looking for, you'll eventually find it.I dropped Audio Grabber from my list of CD rippers to look at, I don't know how good it is, but Microsoft Smart screen filtering indicated that it was unsafe. So I deleted it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241663#p241663 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Sebbby, Thanks for that on iTunes, it will get my iPhone backup files out of my music folder.That may be true when using NVDA, but in JAWS, if you turn on the "Use Ribbons" option, the perception to the user is that they are navigating through classic pull down menus with wrap around at either end of the menu bar and at the top and bottoms of each pull down menu. +1 for JAWS and Windows. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241651#p241651 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Anything you buy ends up in your media folder. iPhone backups themselves are stored somewhere under the AppData structure, I think, but you'll of course need iTunes to restore those to your iPhone should the need arise. Usually I recommend encrypting your iPhone backup and then taking one just before doing anything big, such as updating. Otherwise, I find iOS pretty reliable and the only time one needs a backup is when one is transferring from one device to the next. Encrypted backups are required because your keychain is never backed up to an unencrypted file.You mean "Virtual ribbons" in JAWS, yes, you can approximate menus, but you will find that the approximation is only so good. You lose accelerator commands, can't press initial letters to jump to the menu items, etc. I always ended up leaving the option off and just suffering in silence, or finding a proper way to turn off the ribbons (various hacks that patch system DLLs). It's not as nice as classic menus. It would, as Dark said, be nice to have that choice. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241660#p241660 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? I used to be a great fan of CDex, but it looks like they've got into the spyware business. So I'm not going to recommend that.It looks like Audiograbber is "Potentially unwanted software" because if you're not careful it can install some affiliate software like Funmoods search. Be careful when installing not to accept anything extra. This is generally good advice, of course. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241671#p241671 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @FigmentI'll check mp3va and see. As to audio grabber, actually that's the one program you mentioned I have used, usually when windows media player got wrong information for a disc I wanted to rip or when it was a none standard disc, such as an audiobook a friend gave me. Neither Avg nor Malware bites nor my computer had any problems at all, so I suspect this is a false positive for microsoft. My only issue with audio grabber was that I couldn't work out how to download track info from the internet, or even if it had that function at all, hence why I continued with plane old wmp. Apart from that thoughno problem, though of course audiograbber is a much more complex program with a lot of different functions that those more into sound design would be interested in. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241669#p241669 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? iTunes creates a folder in your music folder called iTunes, in it iTunes puts media files added to your library by ripping, purchase, or manually. Why they do that instead of just putting the file directly in your library, I don't know. the Microsoft Zune software did the same thing, but unlike iTunes, you could move the files to your main library and the software adapted by adding references to the files you moved to your library and removing the references to the file in the inbound folder. iTunes stubbornly held on to the original file references even though they were now invalid and didn't want to recognize the new files where you moved them.The iTunes folder in your music folder also contains all the backup files for those devices you are using iTune to backup.Since I will now be using iTunes strictly as a backup program, the only thing that will be in the iTunes folder will be my backup files, so it isn't appropriate for the iTunes folder to be i n my music library. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241672#p241672 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Sebby,After what happened with Media Monkey, I don't trust software that comes with tag alongs.Unlike with most such programs, where you have a chance to opt out before the tag alongs are installed, with Media Monkey you are required to allow the tag alongs to be installed, you can then uninstall them after the fact if you don't want them. Normally that would work, but several of the tag alongs with Media Monkey are known malware. To recover my system I had to run System restore from the Talking Windows PE, because my Windows was rendered unusable.So now, I will avoid any programs that have tab alongs in their installer unless I know I will be given the chance to opt out first.Since ther sere two other promising CD rippers to look at, it didn't bother me one bit to drop Audio Grabber. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241673#p241673 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Myself, when I kicked Itunes, I also kicked all folders which was surprisingly difficult, sinse while I'd rather manage my own backups instead of relying on an auto cloud service, in terms of personal hassle it's far less trouble than Itunes ever was, plus of course it means I can be a lazy bumb and never bother backing up my Iphone data . Again why with all the library rubbish? What is this about giving everyone a "media library" when you already have folders with files in them. if people want one, fare enough, but why force everyone! to have one. In Wmp I occasionally do a library purge of everything I ripped (and of course I do not delete from my computer when deleted from wmp), just for convenience, although even though I'm not a massive fan of Wmp I do find it's interface (especially with the menus), preferable to Itunes, then a gain it's fairly easy to setup so that all I need to do to rip a cd is stick it in and select from the dropdown then wait until it pops out (I also have new rips delivered streight to my downloads folder), so really i don't have to use Wmp's interface at all. I disagree though about microsoft's customization of interfaces being an option over apples, not with the metro rubbish on Windows 10. As to audio grabber, again I had no problems. I seem to remember selecting not to install a couple of things, but as usual it was just a matter of reading and checking the right boxes. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241688#p241688 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Figment, I had no idea MediaMonkey was now shipping spyware. I just checked and the download page seemed reassuringly legitimate, at mediamonkey.com.Are you saying that you had no indication of bad things to come, installed the package, and then had to uninstall clear cases of spyware?I agree that in principle one should not even download the spyware, but I also don't see an alternative. The software is free, and either the software's creator or the bandwidth host needs to get paid. You just have to be very careful. Download directly from the developer's site and make sure you opt out of the crap, if any. Much of it comes from third-party download hosts like SourceForge or download.com, so don't use those. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241686#p241686 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? The iTunes folder is your library. You're supposed to like the iTunes layout and accept that your library is managed by iTunes, and any changes that you will ever want to make will be from within iTunes. The option to change your media folder merely changes where files will end up. That's apparently Apple's feeling, anyway. Unlike WMP, iTunes relies on the concept of centralisation and doesn't like it when you change file locations. The only way to change this is to tell iTunes never to copy files into the media libraries, and instead manually point to the existing files you have; the library database then refers to whatever you point at. But of course this is of no help if the person managing the directory structure is not the same person managing the iTunes database, as happens on a central media server where everybody is contributing. Such is Apple's overbearing hubris. Naturally I don't endorse WMP either: it also relies on tags, and the best you can do to turn off the library is simply to ask it never to add to the library when you play a file; you still can't automatically tag media just by renaming it in the filesystem. iTunes always does this automatically when you update tags, whether the file is copied into the media library or not, and there is no way to turn it off. So, if you want to avoid adding to the library, use another media player. This difference in philosophy I think very nicely illustrates the Mac/Windows divide, insofar as Apple optimises for the case that you will appreciate what it provides you, whereas on Windows the overriding concern is the availability of interfaces. Both approaches have their advantages and their disadvantages.I'm glad you've found your backup data. On Mac OS that data is stored separated from the media folder, in "~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup". If you have no other use for iTunes then I'd simply leave the directories alone bec ause there won't be anything valuable in there, and unless you want to make a further backup, they're doing fine where they are. Just move your media folder outside the Music folder so it isn't polluting your other uses of that folder. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241681#p241681 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Figment, for your library files, see Edit > Preferences > Advanced. You'll find the path under iTunes media folder. You can change it. By default it lives in your Windows system music folder in your home folder.As for ribbons, I can't stand them. I'm sure they must be very convenient visually, but from an accessibility perspective they're an absolute bloody nightmare. The critical issue is that because they are essentially bounded two-dimensional structures, there's no way to simply use one pair of arrow keys to navigate them. If you press the right-arrow to move, but have reached the end of the ribbon, you instead move vertically, with the focus positioned on the next vertical row which is at that horizontal position. Hence, one cannot simply go back as one could in a simple menu structure. Another win for the Mac. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241635#p241635 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Sebby, Why should I have to change my habbits just to suit Apple, as far as I'm concerned, Apple can pound sand.When I first tried to get Media Monkey from their site, all their download links did was bounce me between two pages that tried to sell me the Gold version. I eventually gave up and went to softonic.com, a download site that mirrors their file and got it from there.When I started the installer, the first thing I got was a page saying that to install Media Monkey I had to agree to the installation of additional programs from their advertising partners, and that if I didn't want them I could uninstall them after they've been installed. Unbeknownst to me, while I was reading that page the unwanted extra programs were already being installed! So, Media Monkey can go to hell.Dark,That's encouraging news about Audio Grabber, it was an interesting sounding program.Everybody and their brothers all think they know what's good for us, so they force their ideas down our throats.That was one of the nice things about the Zune software, not only was it very forgiving of changes made to your library outside the program, it adapted to them without a single complaint. Plus, in the easily reachable configuration options, you could set the folders for every different type of media the Zune software handles, so you can fit it to the way you do thingts. That's why I lament that it's user interface is inaccessible to screen readers. Or at least it's inaccessible to JAWS, I never tried it with any other screen readers. I personally would be absolutely thrilled and would be willing to pay for a script that make the Zune software accessible. That's how much I thought of itI keep a copy of its installer just in case that actually happens.And here I thought iTunes was Apples version of the Zune software. Sheesh, what a laugh! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241762#p241762 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @Jack, Mp3va seemed to have a weerd organization. I was looking to see if it had stuff I'd be interested in, but instead of giving a standard search list of results,it seemed to have several lists, which was confusing, then if I looked under genre such as film soundtracks it just gave a lot of sub genre boxes and the "best sold" which meant about 13, for example there was nothing by John Williams under soundtracks which seems loopy to me. Indeed, I was just trying to search for the soundtrack to the film Hook, which as I said was rereleased in 2013, but I couldn't even get a john williams discography. Then again, this is one reason I don't like all this "artist" stuff, sinse in anorchestra who is the artist? the composer? the conductor? Any suggestions? The site might be a good thing but I'd prefer to check it's got the sort of stuff I want before I go sinking money into it, and as I said, charts just don' t interest me in the least. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241484#p241484 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Sebby I say unto yee, scripting? retagging? meh! apple can take Itunes and their Orwellian organization and shove it up their vertical device hole! If people happen to like it, fare enough, but Apple should try and give alternatives for those who don't instead of trying to monopolize everyone into their own little corporate desire satisfaction box. In fairness it's not just Apple that does this, it's a pretty common thing across the world, call something "choice" by providing just one alternative and setting the price for that alternative, brave new world here we come. But less philosophically, I'm personally just happy with what I'm doing, especially with the Victor.As to Mp3va, well charts don't interest me in the least, so hopefully they have more stuff than that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241448#p241448 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Yes, they do. Mp3va, being specifically! a music shop, has a constantly growing library, and sometimes has stuff that region-locked itunes would not. If for some reason a song or album isn't available, they do take requests, however so that they don't have overflowing requests, you must've deposited a good bit into your account for them to prioritize your request, simplly because, well, they'd have to get the songs.As for itunes, I think Apple probably prioritizes making itunes accessible on their very own platforms. Back when I was still using itunes on windows, I would just buy the songs, convert them from m4a to mp3, then locate them in the my music folder and copy them over to my stream. Only hard part was buying and converting, simply because, itunes for windows makes it a long process. Plus, converting to mp3 doesn't delete the m4a version, so I have to copy the stuff individually so that the m4a doesn't copy, to insure compatibility with all my devices, wince while the stream supports m4a, the braillenote still does not! And yes, admitedly, I do use that to play music, sometimes. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241450#p241450 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @Jack, Mp3va seemed to have a weerd organization. I was looking to see if it had stuff I'd be interested in, but instead of giving a standard search list of results,it seemed to have several lists, which was confusing, then if I looked under genre such as film soundtracks it just gave a lot of sub genre boxes and the "best sold" which meant about 13, for example there was nothing by John Williams under soundtracks which seems loopy to me. Indeed, I was just trying to search for the soundtrack to the film Hook, which as I said was rereleased in 2013, but I couldn't even get a john williams discography. Then again, this is one reason I don't like all this "artist" stuff, sinse in anorchestra who is the artist? the composer? the conductor? Any suggestions? The site might be a good thing but I'd prefer to check it's got the sort of stuff I want before I go sinking money into it, and as I said, charts just don' t interest me in the least.As to itunes, I did try converting a cd into itunes, but then couldn't find where the tracks had gone, (I looked in my music but no go), that's why I don't trust buying from the thing. M4a format would be okay in and of itself, but not if the stuff is locked into itunes forever more amen, which seemed to be the case. I have heard itunes is better on Mac in terms of basic access to the program, but even if I do get a mac I don't see the point o changing my entire media collection and organization around, particularly sinse I've customized winamp for my quad speakers anyhow. If there ever is a way to buy from itunes on my Iphone and then directly extract the files via usb to do with as I want I might try that, but I doubt that will happen. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241484#p241484 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Yes, they do. Mp3va, being specifically! a music shop, has a constantly growing library, and sometimes has stuff that region-locked itunes would not. If for some reason a song or album isn't available, they do take requests, however so that they don't have overflowing requests, you must've deposited a good bit into your account for them to prioritize your request, simplly because, well, they'd have to get the songs. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241450#p241450 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Yeah, after a while I pretty much figured out iTunes as well, though not to the level Sebby has, as I'm still tabbing around.I suspect that making iTunes accessible on Macs gets a much higher priority than it does for the Windows version. Which only proves that accessibility isn't an altruistic desire for Apple, it's just a money grabbing marketing scheme to sell more of their products.Then there is the format you get your music in, I prefer MP3s, it may not be the best or highest quality format, but it does have the benefit that, as far as I can tell, it doesn't support any form of embedded DRM, so I can play my music on anything I want to.Sure iTunes has the ability to convert the M4A files to MP3s, but then you end up with two copies of the music in your library, and if you go in and delete the M4As, you end up with dead tracks in your library.So after discovering that, I stopped buying music from iTunes. At least then, after putt ing the new MP3 tracks where I wanted them, I could manually add them to my library.I'm now at the point of wondering why I should continue using iTunes at all? So I've decided to abandon my iPod and switch to the Victor Reader Stream as my media player.What, mp3va doesn't have John Williams? Wrong, try again, I just searched for "Star Wars" and the first album that came back in the search results was "Star Wars Trilogy" by John Williams.It's possible that searching for "Williams, John" won't work where searching for "John Williams" will. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241496#p241496 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Your techno-recalcitrance is incurable, Mr. Dark. A terminal case, I fear. I was just in iTunes on Doze recently--in version 12.1.3 for XP, in fact--and although I found myself gritting my teeth and swearing and tabbing a lot for lack of other options, I did eventually figure it all out and learn keystrokes necessary to jump all over the place in short order. I'm certainly sympathetic to your position that you should (a) have choice and (b) be in a position to exercise it, but since it wasn't long before everything snapped into place and I found myself back in la la land again, I'm wondering if maybe the real problem is simply that you don't have the absurd levels of naive optimism that I do. And as I think I've said before now, albeit that you do need to put a bit more work in and may even sometimes need scripts, it is entirely possibl e to achieve consistency with tags and file system, such that either your own organisational structure remains in place and iTunes merely refers to those files, or iTunes maintains folder and file names that are, in fact, very friendly to filesystem-based playback, including from within iTunes itself if you have the associations set up. It's the default behaviour, actually. Obviously if you don't need anything from iTunes that you don't already have from your organisational arrangement and players that's not a very interesting revelation, but I can assure you that it helps me enormously. I understand your argument though; here's an old thread from an Apple user who prefers WinAmp on Apple's support community, which makes the case for the existing, filesystem-based, structured, tagless approach.Now for everyone, the real question is: what about audiobooks that are DRM-f ree? Is downpoor.com actually any good? Is there a way to strip Audible DRM in a pure (i.e. lossless, without re-encoding) manner? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241422#p241422 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Your techno-recalcitrance is incurable, Mr. Dark. A terminal case, I fear. I was just in iTunes on Doze recently--in version 12.1.3 for XP with JAWS, in fact--and although I found myself gritting my teeth and swearing and tabbing a lot for lack of other options, I did eventually figure it all out and learn keystrokes necessary to jump all over the place in short order. I'm certainly sympathetic to your position that you should (a) have choice and (b) be able to practically exercise it, but since it wasn't long before everything snapped into place and I found myself back in la-la land again, I'm wondering if maybe the real problem is simply that you don't have the absurd levels of naive optimism that I do. And as I think I've said before now, albeit that you do need to put a bit more work in and may even sometimes need scripts, it is entirely possible to achieve consistency with tags and file system, such that either your own organisational structure remains in place and iTunes merely refers to those files, or iTunes maintains folder and file names that are, in fact, very friendly to filesystem-based playback, including from within iTunes itself if you have the associations set up. It's the default behaviour, actually. Obviously if you don't need anything from iTunes that you don't already have from your organisational arrangement and players that's not a very interesting revelation, but I can assure you that it helps me enormously. I understand your argument though; here's an old thread from an Apple user who prefers WinAmp on Apple's support community, which makes the case for the existing, filesystem-based, structured, tagless approach.Now for everyone, the real question is: what about audiobooks t hat are DRM-free? Is downpoor.com actually any good? Is there a way to strip Audible DRM in a pure (i.e. lossless, without re-encoding) manner? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241422#p241422 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Your techno-recalcitrance is incurable, Mr. Dark. A terminal case, I fear. I was just in iTunes on Doze recently--in version 12.1.3 for XP with JAWS, in fact--and although I found myself gritting my teeth and swearing and tabbing a lot for lack of other options, I did eventually figure it all out and learn keystrokes necessary to jump all over the place in short order. I'm certainly sympathetic to your position that you should (a) have choice and (b) be able to practically exercise it, but since it wasn't long before everything snapped into place and I found myself back in la-la land again, I'm wondering if maybe the real problem is simply that you don't have the absurd levels of naive optimism that I do. And as I think I've said before now, albeit that you do need to put a bit more work in and may even sometimes need scripts, it is entirely possible to achieve consistency with tags and file system, such that either your own organisational structure remains in place and iTunes merely refers to those files, or iTunes maintains folder and file names that are, in fact, very friendly to filesystem-based playback, including from within iTunes itself if you have the associations set up. It's the default behaviour, actually. Obviously if you don't need anything from iTunes that you don't already have from your organisational arrangement and players that's not a very interesting revelation, but I can assure you that it helps me enormously. I understand your argument though; here's an old thread from an Apple user who prefers WinAmp on Apple's support community, which makes the case for the existing, filesystem-based, structured, tagless approach.Figment: use Ninite to get you r Windows software without the crap. Adobe products are no longer available from there because Adobe are tossers, but most everything else you would need is.And as for your Zune+iTunes woes, you might find this amusing. Microsoft, bless their little hearts, actually implemented folder watching correctly, where Apple did not--and continues not to do so.Now for everyone, the real question is: what about audiobooks that are DRM-free? Is downpoor.com actually any good? Is there a way to strip Audible DRM in a pure (i.e. lossless, without re-encoding) manner?Edit: links, clarifications. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241422#p241422 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Your techno-recalcitrance is incurable, Mr. Dark. A terminal case, I fear. I was just in iTunes on Doze recently--in version 12.1.3 for XP, in fact--and although I found myself gritting my teeth and swearing and tabbing a lot for lack of other options, I did eventually figure it all out and learn keystrokes necessary to jump all over the place in short order. I'm certainly sympathetic to your position that you should (a) have choice and (b) be able to exercise it, but since it wasn't long before everything snapped into place and I found myself back in la la land again, I'm wondering if maybe the real problem is simply that you don't have the absurd levels of naive optimism that I do. And as I think I've said before now, albeit that you do need to put a bit more work in and may even sometimes need scripts, it is entirely possible to achi eve consistency with tags and file system, such that either your own organisational structure remains in place and iTunes merely refers to those files, or iTunes maintains folder and file names that are, in fact, very friendly to filesystem-based playback, including from within iTunes itself if you have the associations set up. It's the default behaviour, actually. Obviously if you don't need anything from iTunes that you don't already have from your organisational arrangement and players that's not a very interesting revelation, but I can assure you that it helps me enormously. I understand your argument though; here's an old thread from an Apple user who prefers WinAmp on Apple's support community, which makes the case for the existing, filesystem-based, structured, tagless approach.Now for everyone, the real question is: what about audiobooks that are DRM-free? Is < a href="">downpoor.com actually any good? Is there a way to strip Audible DRM in a pure (i.e. lossless, without re-encoding) manner? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241422#p241422 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Your techno-recalcitrance is incurable, Mr. Dark. A terminal case, I fear. I was just in iTunes on Doze recently--in version 12.1.3 for XP, in fact--and although I found myself gritting my teeth and swearing and tabbing a lot for lack of other options, I did eventually figure it all out and learn keystrokes necessary to jump all over the place in short order. I'm certainly sympathetic to your position that you should (a) have choice and (b) be in a position to exercise it, but since it wasn't long before everything snapped into place and I found myself back in la la land again, I'm wondering if maybe the real problem is simply that you don't have the absurd levels of naive optimism that I do. And as I think I've said before now, albeit that you do need to put a bit more work in and may even sometimes need scripts, it is entirely possibl e to achieve consistency with tags and file system, such that either your own organisational structure remains in place and iTunes merely refers to those files, or iTunes maintains folder and file names that are, in fact, very friendly to filesystem-based playback, including from within iTunes itself if you have the associations set up. It's the default behaviour, actually. Obviously if you don't need anything from iTunes that you don't already have from your organisational arrangement and players that's not a very interesting revelation, but I can assure you that it helps me enormously. I understand your argument. Here's an old thread from an Apple user who prefers WinAmp, on Apple's support community.Now for everyone, the real question is: what about audiobooks that are DRM-free? Is downpoor.com actually any good? Is there a way to strip Audible DRM in a pure (i.e. lossless, without re-encoding) manner? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241422#p241422 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @DarkAbove each results table there is usually a link to see all results, did you try any of those?You're probably right about the sidebar. When I first got the iPod and was trying to load my music library on it, I found it so frustrating that I eventually got sighted help to do the initial sync. After that, for over a year, I avoided the iTunes program. It wasn't until a couple of months ago that I got enough courage and determination to try to get to some point of being able to do something useful with it.It doesn't take long to figure out that the iTunes user interface is very cluttered. That was one of the reasons why I went through the view menu and turned off anything that didn't need to be visible all the time. Most of that stuff can be accessed via the pull down menus when you need them. That helped a bit with the clutter, but it was still pretty messy.Cluttered user interfaces was one of the reasons why I liked Microsoft 9;s ribboned user interfaces in Office, instead of all those options in all those ribbons being on the screen all the time, they are only on the screen when you need them. You do have to learn which ribbons things are on, but for the most part the ribbons name help with that.I don't recall the names of the programs now, but I did run into several programs that had "What You See Is What You Need" user interfaces. Basically what was in the menus and toolbars depended on what the cursor was focused on. It made for a fairly clean and mean user interface and I recall hoping the idea would catch on.Since iTunes is being relegated to the task of backing up my iPhone and nothing else, I am looking at CD rippers, At present I'm considering Audio Grabber, Deep Ripper, and MP3 Ripper. Audio Grabber and MP3 Ripper offer both free and paid for versions. Deep Ripper is meant as a companion to Deep Burner which is available in a free and paid for version. For the most part, the disc burning functions built into Windows is all I need, but there are times when you need a disc authoring tool like Deep Burner, so I may go that route, it will all depend on how accessible the programs are. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241571#p241571 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @Figment, I don't mind the categorisation, but it sort of annoyed me that you couldn't have a basic list of search results, ie, all the albums with the name john williams of whatever genre but had to look in different random genre categories. If there is a way to just display all results and miss out the genre thing that'd be much better. As to Itunes, sinse the sidebar labels went bye bye in 2014, you probably had them at the start, indeed I suspect part of the reason you found Itunes got worse was the lack of such as much as anything with Jaws scripts. I probably would've tried to live without them if I hadn't already been pretty annoyed with Itunes anyway what with all it's ridiculous functions and silly tree structure and lack of compatibility with any sensiblle layout. As I've said before, I really don't like this modern tendency of chucking everything on screen at once at letting sighted users sort out what is where , as opposed to giving a more streamlined access to information with more standard lists and different parts of the display hidden etc, still more because another modern conceit is no ability to customize the interface at all! ever! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241569#p241569 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @Dark, I see what you mean now, I tried the search for "John Williams" and noticed that many of the albums that were movie soundtracks were classified as easy listening or orchestral when they really should have been classified as soundtracks. It just means that you may have to try several different searches to find what you want. Still, it does show that their indexing of their collection could be better.If I recall correctly, the sidebar was already gone or I was unaware of it when I first started using iTunes because of the purchase of an iPod about two years ago. It's possible it was there and I was just unaware of it, at that time I was new to JAWS too. After I was a lot more familiar with JAWS I tried several iTune scripts for JAWS and found that not one of them made iTunes any better and that most made it worse since iTunes had been changed since they were written and the script's author apparently weren't all that concerned about keeping the script up to date. I even tried BlindTunes, a JAWS script being sold as a commercial product, and it wasn't any better than most of the other free script, or iTunes all by itself without the help of any scripts.So for now, iTune will be stripped back to just being a way to backup my iPhone. Now if only there was a way to move the iTunes data folder out of the music folder.There are some other digital music stores I want to look at, though I think most employ the use of some proprietary downloader and may also emply some form of DRM. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241555#p241555 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? There's no doubt that iTunes isn't a first-class citizen on Windows, or vice-versa. It is definitely slower and less refined. Still, for the constraints of the Windows ecosystem including the way screen readers work, I think Apple have made it as clean and as well-integrated as possible. Most of the "Bloat" people find in iTunes is actually just libraries that Apple ported over from Mac OS to Windows so it could run iTunes on top of those substrates, which while it clearly suits Apple very well, doesn't make for happy hardcore Windows users. This is, in all important respects, no different from the situation Mac users face running MS Office; the Windows experience using Office is just plain better. No doubt also a very non-altruistic scheme to screw the blind. Check under Help, Keyboard Shortcuts. There are quite a few of them. If you are on JAWS make s ure you have the latest updates, and if you want even more speed there's JTunes. The FSCast on iTunes was also quite informative. I found Window-Eyes to be more responsive than any other screen reader using iTunes, which makes sense since Apple specifically suggests it, but I don't see why you should have any difficulty no matter your screen reader of choice; it simply takes a good bit of getting used to it. And I think you'll find that iTunes is very important in the education sector, so the chances of accessibility being compromised in the future are probably quite small. It'd be nice if they allowed access to their stores without the application though; I'm sure that would go a long way for many typical use cases.You can tell if a music file is protected because the extension is "m4p". If it isn't, and it won't be for any music tracks you now buy, you have DRM-free. Your stream will play these files, and since converting between lossy formats is not a very good idea, I'd recommend you download and keep your originals. I'm glad there are accessible alternatives for purchasing though. The real catch is the iBook store; some of what they sell is, and some is not, protected, and you don't find out until you purchase it. Everything else is DRM, of course.In tangentially related news: iTunes Match now allows the upload of 100,000 tracks (up from 25,000). URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241539#p241539 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? There's no doubt that iTunes isn't a first-class citizen on Windows, or vice-versa. It is definitely slower and less refined. Still, for the constraints of the Windows ecosystem including the way screen readers work, I think Apple have made it as clean and as well-integrated as possible. Most of the "Bloat" people find in iTunes is actually just libraries that Apple ported over from Mac OS to Windows so it could run iTunes on top of those substrates, which while it clearly suits Apple very well, doesn't make for happy hardcore Windows users. This is, in all important respects, no different from the situation Mac users face running MS Office; the Windows experience using Office is just plain better. No doubt also a very non-altruistic scheme to screw the blind. Check under Help, Keyboard Shortcuts. There are quite a few of them. If you are on JAWS make s ure you have the latest updates, and if you want even more speed there's JTunes. The FSCast on iTunes was also quite informative. I found Window-Eyes to be more responsive than any other screen reader using iTunes, which makes sense since Apple specifically suggests it, but I don't see why you should have any difficulty no matter your screen reader of choice; it simply takes a good bit of getting used to it. And I think you'll find that iTunes is very important in the education sector, so the chances that accessibility being compromised in the future are quite small. It'd be nice if they allowed access to their stores without the application though; I'm sure that would go a long way for many typical use cases.You can tell if a music file is protected because the extension is "m4p". If it isn't, and it won't be for any music tracks you now buy, you have DRM-free. Your stream will play these files, and since converting between lossy formats is not a very good idea, I'd recommend you download and keep your originals. I'm glad there are accessible alternatives for purchasing though. The real catch is the iBook store; some of what they sell is, and some is not, protected, and you don't find out until you purchase it. Everything else is DRM, of course. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241539#p241539 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? WEll, it doesn't just do pop music charts. Sure, you see the number1's on the site, but like I said there's stuff on there that wouldn't even be on the leading digital music venders, either because of region or because, well, it just isn't available on those stores. Google play music has the same suggestions system on the main page as well, so no difference there. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241523#p241523 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @Figment, I found Itunes workable up until version 12 where they killed the side bar headings so there wasn't a way to know which bit of the tree I was on. Whether this has been solved with a supernova map file in a future version I don't know, but any program who's accessibility requires information which was! on screen and has been taken off in a so called version upgrade doesn't get much cop with me, particularly sinse generally speaking Supernova is very good at just reading and running with stuff by default without any scripting or whatever.That was the last straw, after all this playlist library crap I had had enough and gave Itunes the heave ho.With Mp3va I thought It'd work searching for starwars sinse that is a title, but I'm not interested in starwars music as I already have that, I wanted to know what they had by the composer john williams. I searched under John Williams first, and then under williams john, but got as I said s ome confusing lists of results in different genre categories or whatever, and lets not even go into what happened when I tried searching for "hook" or "hook film soundtrack" or "hook soundtrack" Why the site has all this genre mallarchy instead of giving me a basic title search I don't know. Still, if it's setup for, and mainly does just pop music charts it's probably not going to be much help to me. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241512#p241512 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? And plus, by buying music instead of downloading it of youtube, you can be assured it's the highest quality. At least, most all songs from mp3va should be. Typically, unless the song's ancient, it should be at least 256k. The newer ones are even 320k. The previews are only worbled for security purposes. If you for whatever reason get a low quality song with your purchase they will help you sort that out if you contact them URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241392#p241392 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? No thanks, that sounds too much like piracy for my tastes.By paying for my nusic through a reputable source, I know the music in my library has been legally acquired and the artists have been paid for their work. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241391#p241391 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? I don't know why they don't accept paypal, but try their pincode receller, they may still accept paypal. Their pin code reseller is a vpn host, but since they sponsor mp3va, along with any purchase $15 or above, they will give you a pin code that you can redeme on mp3va.com for the credit. Don't forget to enter the promo code pincode when making a purchase on that site. It is confirmed that they do accept paypal. The radio buttons for choosing a payment method are unlabeled, but don't worry. When you choose one, above all the buttons, it will say which one you chose. But as a point of reference, the last radio button in that list is paypal. Once you purchase, they will email you with the pincode plus the vpn setup instructions, however if you don't want the vpn that's fine, you can just use the pincode on mp3va.com URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241227#p241227 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? I don't know why they don't accept paypal, but try their pincode receller, they may still accept paypal. Their pin code reseller is a vpn host, but since they sponsor mp3va, along with any purchase $15 or above, they will give you a pin code that you can redeme on mp3va.com for the credit. Don't forget to enter the promo code pincode when making a purchase on that site. It is confirmed that they do accept paypal. The radio buttons for choosing a payment method are unlabeled, but don't worry. When you choose one, above all the buttons, it will say which one you chose. But as a point of reference, the last radio button in that list is paypal. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241227#p241227 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? I personally don't mind the payment of 15 usd, which is slightly less in Uk terms, indeed sinse an album on cd in the Uk can be as much as 20 quid which is twice that that's no problem with me. My only concern is whether the mp3va site covers none chart stuf sinse most music I'm interested in is weerder things like film soundtracks, musicals, and music from odd people .Maybe I'll wait until after the starwars film comes out and see if mp3va have the soundtrack available sinse that is definitely! something I will want.@Figment, Yep, I suppose windows explorer is a file manager, but really so long as I can go up and down a list of folders and copy and paste and open stuff and move stuff around or check properties of items I'm not looking for any other major functions where files are concerned.If I ever decide to get another ver sion of Windows, sinse microsoft have broken windows explorer, or at least made it ridiculously silly to navigate compared to Xp's handy lists I might look for a file manager at that point.Still, I really don't like this modern tendency to hide the file system and give you lots of flashy things instead when it's just easier to do your organization yourself, as well as letting you have ultimately better control, that's actually one thing I do not like on Ios, you only have one level of folders possible for ap activation icons (no sub folders),and creating them is a right pest with Vo doing the drag and drop. Plus, you can't then have a list or a menu or some easy navigation, the folders are just stuck everywhere on the screen. So, where on my Xp machine I have a start menu folder called "audio games", then folders for each developer with subfolders for all the shortcuts to the files for running each game, on my Iphone I have one f older for developers and that's it, and even those I have to flick around to find, (trying to stick stuff in folders is a part of getting new aps I dread). I'm trying to keep one page of the interface for each thing, ie, one page for games, one page for satnav, but I'm not sure how long I can maintain that sinse I think my games page is about to run out of space. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241308#p241308 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? I personally don't mind the payment of 15 usd, which is slightly less in Uk terms, indeed sinse an album on cd in the Uk can be as much as 20 quid which is twice that that's no problem with me. My only concern is whether the mp3va site covers none chart stuf sinse most music I'm interested in is weerder things like film soundtracks, musicals, and music from odd people .Maybe I'll wait until after the starwars film comes out and see if mp3va have the soundtrack available sinse that is definitely! something I will want.@Figment, Yep, I suppose windows explorer is a file manager, but really so long as I can go up and down a list of folders and copy and paste and open stuff and move stuff around or check properties of items I'm not looking for any other major functions where files are concerned.If I ever decide to get another ver sion of Windows, sinse microsoft have broken windows explorer, or at least made it ridiculously silly to navigate compared to Xp's handy lists I might look for a file manager at that point.Still, I really don't like this modern tendency to hide the file system and give you lots of flashy things instead when it's just easier to do your organization yourself, as well as letting you have ultimately better control, that's actually one thing I do not like on Ios, you only have one level of folders possible for ap activation icons (no sub folders),and creating them is a right pest with Vo doing the drag and drop. Plus, you can't then have a list or a menu or some easy navigation, the folders are just stuck everywhere on the screen. So, where on my Xp machine I have a start menu folder called "audio games", then folders for each developer with subfolders for all the shortcuts to the files for running each game, on my Iphone I have one f older for developers and that's it, and even those I have to flick around to find, (trying to stick stuff in folders is a part of getting new aps I dread). I'm trying to keep one page of the interface for each thing, ie, one page for games, one page for satnav, but I'm not sure how long I can maintain that sinse I think my games page is about to run out of space.Oh, and I won't repeat my dislike of Itunes and it's silly music organization, but pretend I did for purposes of the above point . URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241308#p241308 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Mp3va does do the chargs as well as less known stuff, and I do believe they do movie soundtracks as well. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241369#p241369 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? They do, or at least soundtracks is one of the entries in their list of genres. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241373#p241373 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? I use pontes media downloader for music downloading. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241377#p241377 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? I've never used a file manager, I just set display to lists so I can go up and down between folders, and move around as I wish. Again, a thing I like in xp which silly microsoft did away with for no good reason. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241115#p241115 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? I've never used a file manager, I just set display to lists so I can go up and down between folders, and move around as I wish. Againa thing I like xp for. The only program I've ever used specifically for managing files is the sendspace wizard, which has again a standard list structure, though mostly it works like xp does accept with a few different commands and pages in the file view, and of course it's for managing online files. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241115#p241115 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @Jack, yeah, mp3va.com is in the Ukraine, so they aren't within the jurisdiction of the idiot law that says the minimum price for a track is $0.99 or whatever. I wonder how many polititians the music industry bribed to get that passed?One thing I don't like about them, they gave me a $0.30 registering bonus, but won't let me use it until I preload the account with a minimum of $15. This is a prepaid service, you fill it with money, then use that to buy the tracks you want. After my experience with Amazon, since they gave me enough to buy two tracks, I wanted to try it before I sink any money into it. Since they won't let me do that, I'm still looking for an accessible way to buy music in MP3s. I would have also preferred it if they accepted PayPal.@Dark, don't look now but Windows Explorer is a file manager, and a pretty anemic one at that, so I found a third party file manager that was similar to Norton Commander for DOS, which was my f avorite pre Windows file manager. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241135#p241135 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Gene, that is actually weird, and something I didn't face. I was able to use my $0.30 bonus right away, and already have my two tracks. No worry, no hassle. Then again, I got an invite link to the site from someone else, so that may be why. Have you verified your email address with the site yet? Nevertheless, the interface for buying and downloading tracks is totally and completely accessible. So, you search for a song, artist, or album. The results come up, very neatly organized in headings of artists, albums, and songs. Artists have their own page, with all their albums. If you click on an album, there will be a table with the song title, duration, a preview link, and a checkbox for each song, as well as a buy all checkbox at the end. This makes it convenient to buy songs if you don't want to buy the entire album, but rather want just the singles from it. Unlike Google Play and Itunes, where if you wanted to do that you'd have to buy and download individuals one b y one, you can select the tracks you want, or the whole album. Whatever you select, the process following that is exactly the same. You click the buy selected button out of the table, you get a confirmation for your order. When you click it, a download link will appear, which will download a zip file containing the entire album, or however many songs you purchased from the album, ready to be played and copied. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241190#p241190 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? For a time they had a $10 minimum, but that must have been a limited time offer. But there's no limit, so even if you spread it across years, your balance is secure and never expires. Basically, if you purchase music infrequently, you'd never have to use your paypal/credit card on a music purchase for a good long time. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241209#p241209 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Yeah, I confirmed my email address, that's where I got the $0.30 I wanted to use to do a test purchase before filling the account with real money. Apparently a trend developed that people would register, then confirm, then spend the $0.30 for registering and confirming, then either disappear, or redo the whole thing with another email address, so now they with hold being able to actually buy anything until you've put real money into the account.That's where I have another problem, $15 is about 100 tracks, as infrequently as I buy new music, that would probably last me many years. In the eight or so years I've been buying digital music, including individual tracks and whole albums, I think that I might have purchased around 100 tracks. I'd be happier if they had a $5 minimum. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241204#p241204 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? Well, If I haven't found anything better the next time I want to buy music, I'll consider them.If they accepted PayPal before, they don't now, in fact they only take Visa credit cards now. Is this a sign of scaling back? Could they be not doing as well as they had hoped they would?It turns out the two individual tracks, which was all I wanted now, were actually duplicates of tracks in an album, so I didn't need them after all. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241214#p241214 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? I don't know why they don't accept paypal, but try their pincode receller, they may still accept paypal. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=241227#p241227 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? i hope, these players last for a long long time, as then, we have to wonder - i think, what players will be usable in the future, and no, i dont mean ipods, as i am done with them. and i dont think, that viktor can be bought in the central europe, but who knows. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240940#p240940 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? I've heard of Zune but not bothered with it. Personally, I didn't really start on digital music until I started downloading game soundtracks back in 2003 or so, which I'd just play with wmp or winamp by folder. Sinse however I needed a place to put them I started file organization, creating a music folder on the c drive (why the hell windows puts a music folder in a documents folder I don't know), and then creating subfolders as I needed them which is where all this began, indeed I still have all the mega man soundtracks that I downloaded back then.Playlists for me have always been a bit of a distraction, sinse I've always just organized the files manually. The only time I started using playlists is when I was fixing music for our tabletop rp games and using winamp's playlist manager to bung lots of folders into a playlist and then iliminate the tracks that were not appropriate to an rp session, but obviously that is one occasion wh ere you specifically need a certain mood of music and after all night on the bare mountain, and some bits of Stravinski's pictures at an exhibition are perfect for rp, (the catacombine, hut on hens legs etc), while other bits such as the ballet of the unhatched chicks really aren't . URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240943#p240943 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Where do you get your music? @bucklee12 Yeah, I can't wait for my Victor Reader Stream to arrive, Tuesday the 8th, so I can reset the iPod, clean it up as needed, probably just fingerprints, and put it back in it's box, so I can sell it.You should be able to get a Victor Reader Stream in central Europe, Dark is in the UK and he has one, plus Humanware does apparently have a European distributor.http://www.humanware.com/en-united_king … dia/europe@DarkPrior to Windows XP there was no standardized location for user files, so they often got stored in the same folder as the program that created them, which made backing them up a nightmare. So when Windows XP was introduced, it introduced the My Documents folder concept as a place to put all your files, that way all you had to backup to protect your data was the My Documents folder.Then in Windows Vista they moved the My Music, My Pictures, and My Videos folders outside the My Documents folders, and dropped the My part of the names on all four folders. For backward compatibility they create the original My whatever folders as symbolic links to the actual folders.It was a good idea at first, but it didn't take long to realize the media folders needed to be separate from the documents folder. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=240985#p240985 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
