Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azorean passports vs ship passenger manifest

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Andrew, I don't know what the timing requirements were but I've found all
of my people getting their passportes just a few days to a week before they
sailed! As "E" does, I work backwords from the date of arrival in the US
and hope I find them in one of the ports. Start with the closest one and
they go out from there. Since you didn't find them in Horta, try Anga and
lastly, Ponta Delgada. You might want to go back a ways in Horta first
though.


Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 7:08 PM, Andrew Rapoza  wrote:

> I would appreciate if insight could be given as to how long before ship
> departure a person needed to get their passport? I long ago located my 2nd
> ggmother and three of her children, including my 1ggmother on the manifest
> of the bark Veronica. The ship left Horta, Fayal, on 21 September 1885 and
> landed in New Bedford, MA, on 10 October 1885. I thought I would easily
> find their passport registration data on the CCA website, but no; even
> though many other passengers from that voyage were in the Fayal passport
> records, not my ancestral family. Anyone have an idea what the requirements
> were? You apparently could register at any one of the Azores' three big
> ports (Horta, Angra, Ponta Delgada) and I haven't figured out if there were
> timing requirements, but I would guess from what I've seen that it can be
> right up to the time of departure. I'm just hoping that understanding the
> requirements will give me a better chance of finding my ancestors' passport
> application records - perhaps I can't find them because they were not
> absolutely required?? Thanks very much.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is my DNA leading to a distant ancestor on Pico?

[Cheri Mello]

They don't HAVE TO have the same chromosome 2 sequence. It's really nice
when it happens, because it makes it easy, but as in life, most things
AREN'T easy. G.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:52 PM, IslandRoutes  wrote:

> Cheri,
> That gives me a little bit of a time frame to work with.  I'm slowly
> piecing together my mid to early 1700s for the Pacheco line.
> Unfortunately, my direct Pacheco line end in a Pai Incognito, so if it's
> that line, then I will never know.
>
> It's interesting how DNA works out.  I have another match on this same
> line.  He had a pretty good idea of his ancestry through the mid-1700s.  I
> was able to piece it together and figure out that he is my 5th cousin,
> meeting up with ancestors, Manoel de Mello and Barbara da Silva, married in
> 1794, Achada.  My line stayed in Achada, his veered off to Pico de Pedra.
>
> He and my known Pacheco 3rd cousin (mentioned in the previous post) are
> not common matches for me.  He doesn't have the chromosome 2 sequence.
> Yet, they both descend from the same ancestor.  (She would be his 5th
> cousin the same way as I am.)
>
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 5:14:51 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> It goes back roughly 200 years from the birth of the testee. In your
>> case, the mid-1700s.
>>
>> You could have a sticky segment from the early 1700s. Maybe one of your
>> ancestors had a couple of siblings who went out west to Pico. Just a couple
>> of scenarios.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is my DNA leading to a distant ancestor on Pico?

[IslandRoutes]

Cheri,
That gives me a little bit of a time frame to work with.  I'm slowly 
piecing together my mid to early 1700s for the Pacheco line. 
 Unfortunately, my direct Pacheco line end in a Pai Incognito, so if it's 
that line, then I will never know.

It's interesting how DNA works out.  I have another match on this same 
line.  He had a pretty good idea of his ancestry through the mid-1700s.  I 
was able to piece it together and figure out that he is my 5th cousin, 
meeting up with ancestors, Manoel de Mello and Barbara da Silva, married in 
1794, Achada.  My line stayed in Achada, his veered off to Pico de Pedra.

He and my known Pacheco 3rd cousin (mentioned in the previous post) are not 
common matches for me.  He doesn't have the chromosome 2 sequence.  Yet, 
they both descend from the same ancestor.  (She would be his 5th cousin the 
same way as I am.)

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 5:14:51 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> It goes back roughly 200 years from the birth of the testee. In your case, 
> the mid-1700s.
>
> You could have a sticky segment from the early 1700s. Maybe one of your 
> ancestors had a couple of siblings who went out west to Pico. Just a couple 
> of scenarios.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Braga found in Estrela (for John Roias and others)

[IslandRoutes]

JR,
I kind of suspected as much.  I know that my line descends from Damiao de 
Braga (as well you know).  But, working in Maia I have come across a line 
known as Braga Serra.  I've yet to see any connection between them and my 
own de Braga in Maia.

I've been moving around records filling in blank spots in my pedigree.  I 
spent a little time the last two weeks In the 1750s=1790s.  I noted there 
were very few de Braga's.  (There were a whole lot of Medeiros though! 
 Seemed like very page had a Medeiros!)

Mel

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 7:06:41 PM UTC-7, JR wrote:
>
> Many thanks for the information. In case you don't know, most, if not all 
> of the Braga's of Ribeira Grande are *not* related to the Braga's of 
> Achada or Maia, or Faial da Terra, or Povoacao or Ponta Garca. They are 
> independent branch(es) that link to the earliest nobles of Ribeira Grande. 
> The latter, on the eastern side of Sao Miguel, all *appear* to be related 
> and come from one or two branches that settled in Fenais da Ajuda. You may 
> find one or two Braga's from Ribeira Grande area that intermarried with our 
> branch, but I have yet to find one. You can surmise, that ultimately, they 
> are all related and come from the early Braga's of Santa Maria circa early 
> 1500's. But I cannot prove this. There are also many small branches of 
> Braga's strewn throughout Sao Miguel, such as Vila Franca and Ponta Delgada 
> that came with the later migration from Santa Maria to Sao Miguel. Most 
> came after 1700.
>
> JR
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 5:15:59 PM UTC-4, IslandRoutes wrote:
>>
>> John, 
>> I can't seem to find your email address right now.  I know that you and 
>> others are interested in Braga's of Sao Miguel.
>>
>> I was going through Estrela for another family.  I found this entry in 
>> 1754 that I thought might interest those researching the line.  I didn't 
>> see any other Braga's in the era in this village.
>>
>> It's on the right hand side, baptismal for Francisco.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1753-1757/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1753-1757_master/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1753-1757_JPG/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1753-1757_0089.jpg
>>
>> Passing it on in case you haven't come across this in your research.
>>
>> Mel
>>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azorean passports vs ship passenger manifest

[E. Sharp]

Andrew, 

I work backward from when they arrived in US to 3 months back and had pretty 
good luck  with that. Let me know if I can help you at my email addy. 

"E"

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> On Aug 9, 2017, at 7:08 PM, Andrew Rapoza  wrote:
> 
> I would appreciate if insight could be given as to how long before ship 
> departure a person needed to get their passport? I long ago located my 2nd 
> ggmother and three of her children, including my 1ggmother on the manifest of 
> the bark Veronica. The ship left Horta, Fayal, on 21 September 1885 and 
> landed in New Bedford, MA, on 10 October 1885. I thought I would easily find 
> their passport registration data on the CCA website, but no; even though many 
> other passengers from that voyage were in the Fayal passport records, not my 
> ancestral family. Anyone have an idea what the requirements were? You 
> apparently could register at any one of the Azores' three big ports (Horta, 
> Angra, Ponta Delgada) and I haven't figured out if there were timing 
> requirements, but I would guess from what I've seen that it can be right up 
> to the time of departure. I'm just hoping that understanding the requirements 
> will give me a better chance of finding my ancestors' passport application 
> records - perhaps I can't find them because they were not absolutely 
> required?? Thanks very much.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Azorean passports vs ship passenger manifest

[Andrew Rapoza]

I would appreciate if insight could be given as to how long before ship 
departure a person needed to get their passport? I long ago located my 2nd 
ggmother and three of her children, including my 1ggmother on the manifest 
of the bark Veronica. The ship left Horta, Fayal, on 21 September 1885 and 
landed in New Bedford, MA, on 10 October 1885. I thought I would easily 
find their passport registration data on the CCA website, but no; even 
though many other passengers from that voyage were in the Fayal passport 
records, not my ancestral family. Anyone have an idea what the requirements 
were? You apparently could register at any one of the Azores' three big 
ports (Horta, Angra, Ponta Delgada) and I haven't figured out if there were 
timing requirements, but I would guess from what I've seen that it can be 
right up to the time of departure. I'm just hoping that understanding the 
requirements will give me a better chance of finding my ancestors' passport 
application records - perhaps I can't find them because they were not 
absolutely required?? Thanks very much.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Braga found in Estrela (for John Roias and others)

[JR]

Many thanks for the information. In case you don't know, most, if not all 
of the Braga's of Ribeira Grande are *not* related to the Braga's of Achada 
or Maia, or Faial da Terra, or Povoacao or Ponta Garca. They are 
independent branch(es) that link to the earliest nobles of Ribeira Grande. 
The latter, on the eastern side of Sao Miguel, all *appear* to be related 
and come from one or two branches that settled in Fenais da Ajuda. You may 
find one or two Braga's from Ribeira Grande area that intermarried with our 
branch, but I have yet to find one. You can surmise, that ultimately, they 
are all related and come from the early Braga's of Santa Maria circa early 
1500's. But I cannot prove this. There are also many small branches of 
Braga's strewn throughout Sao Miguel, such as Vila Franca and Ponta Delgada 
that came with the later migration from Santa Maria to Sao Miguel. Most 
came after 1700.

JR



On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 5:15:59 PM UTC-4, IslandRoutes wrote:
>
> John, 
> I can't seem to find your email address right now.  I know that you and 
> others are interested in Braga's of Sao Miguel.
>
> I was going through Estrela for another family.  I found this entry in 
> 1754 that I thought might interest those researching the line.  I didn't 
> see any other Braga's in the era in this village.
>
> It's on the right hand side, baptismal for Francisco.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1753-1757/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1753-1757_master/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1753-1757_JPG/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1753-1757_0089.jpg
>
> Passing it on in case you haven't come across this in your research.
>
> Mel
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Standardized names

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

They are both correct. Agada is the older version of the name. 
 

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 8:06 PM, Ângela Loura  
wrote:
 

 Ágata.Águeda is a place.
2017-08-09 18:21 GMT+01:00 Sme :

Agada or Agueda?   (femlale first name)


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Standardized names

[Cheri Mello]

Sorry, I'm finding Águeda as a first name of a woman on Sao Miguel island.
The modern spelling is Águeda as JR said.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Ângela Loura  wrote:

> Ágata.
> Águeda is a place.
>
> 2017-08-09 18:21 GMT+01:00 Sme :
>
>> Agada or Agueda?   (femlale first name)
>>
>>
>> Suzanne
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is my DNA leading to a distant ancestor on Pico?

[Cheri Mello]

It goes back roughly 200 years from the birth of the testee. In your case,
the mid-1700s.

You could have a sticky segment from the early 1700s. Maybe one of your
ancestors had a couple of siblings who went out west to Pico. Just a couple
of scenarios.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 2:52 PM, IslandRoutes <
insearchofthehumanspi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Over the last year, I've been noticing 4th to remote cousin DNA matches
> whose trees are entirely on Pico.  I pretty much ignored them because my
> tree several generations back is entirely on Sao Miguel Island.  I didn't
> really think much of it and thought maybe they are identical by state,
> rather than true cousin matches.
>
> Then, last week I got a new match.  This person is another 4th to remote.
> But the difference is he matches my 3rd cousin on the Pacheco line
> (primarily in Fenais da Vera Cruz, Estrela, Nordestinho, Conceicao) on the
> same sequence on chromosome 2.  My Pacheco cousin shares most of her DNA
> with me on this block.
>
> My new match has 2 generations in Furnas and then the rest of the tree is
> on Pico.  I didn't see common surnames in his Furnas names and I have no
> ancestry there that I know of.
>
> So, now I wonder if someone in my Pacheco line has roots in Pico.  I am
> back into the mid 1750s or earlier on many of the lines on this side of my
> tree.  There's no clues thus far.
>
> How far back can autosomal DNA predict a relationship?  If it is a real
> match, I think it's probably going to be in the 1600s.
>
> Mostly this is curiosity about how far the autosomal test can really
> reach.  I'll continue to work on this side of the tree, but I'm not going
> focus on finding a link (unless it falls into my lap...LOL)
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Standardized names

[Ângela Loura]

Ágata.
Águeda is a place.

2017-08-09 18:21 GMT+01:00 Sme :

> Agada or Agueda?   (femlale first name)
>
>
> Suzanne
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Nomenclature

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Thanks to all and I'll check out the  reference listed. Cheers Tony

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 12:23:52 AM UTC+10, Azores Genealogy group 
wrote:
>
> G'day folks,
>
> Recently there has been discussion on using modern Portuguese whenever 
> using family tree databases.  I fully support such a standardisation but 
> what is the definitive reference source document? As a non speaking Aorean 
> descendant how do I determine what's modern?
>
> Examples to You use de Sousa or de Souza, Anna or Ana, I have multiple 
> official documents where even in same document names have been spelt 
> differently.
>
> Suggestions?.
>
> Tony
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: ENOS/ENES VARGAS CONCORD, CA

[Sami]

luiznoia,
Thank you so much for finding the 1880 census! With the Ignacio being 
spelled Ygnacio, and John using the Portuguese spelling Joao, no wonder I 
couldn't find them. They did have a son named Joseph, and a lot of other 
children. I do have Filomena coming to the U.S. in 1868, but it is with her 
father and several siblings. She is 13. They are from Feteira, Faial 
according to the passport record. I also have her father and mother's 
baptism records and they are indeed from Feteira, Faial. About John and 
Filomena's marriage: According to the 1900 census, they had been married 30 
years, so that indicates they married in 1870, which would have them 
marrying in the U.S. Family stories say John was already in the U.S. before 
Filomena came. I am still trying to find out if they married in a church 
nearby, that may still exist so I can find records. 

On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 2:11:21 PM UTC-5, luiznoia wrote:
>
> When looking at the 1900 census, there are good clues there. 
>
> They both arrived in 1868, 32 years before, and have been married 30 
> years. 
>
> So they married in the Azores, and arrived together. 
>
> Do you have any documents showing Faial as Emma birthplace ?
>
> They are likely from the same area. So I'd be looking at the 1868 Horta 
> passports on CCA
>
>
> Eric 
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Sami  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi luiznoia! Yes, those are my 2nd great grandparents. I have recently 
>> made contact with a close dna match that was able to put me in touch with 
>> two other cousins on that side. All three are my second cousins once 
>> removed! Unfortunately, no one knows the true story of how John Enes Vargas 
>> got here to the U.S. and what island he came from. His wife was from 
>> Feteira, Faial, so maybe his family was from there. All anyone knows is 
>> that his father's name was Joseph (Jose?) and his mother was possibly 
>> Francesca. I can find nothing on this couple. Still looking! Thank you for 
>> sharing what you found, it is appreciated! 
>> Sami
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 12:55:54 PM UTC-5, luiznoia wrote:
>>>
>>> The Vargas couple at St Stephens Cemetery, Concord is the couple seen on 
>>> the 1900 census
>>>
>>> their son Manuel is also buried there.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 10:22 AM, luiznoia .  wrote:
>>>
 Sami, 

 Here's the 1892 California Voters Register for John Enes Vargas living 
 at Baypoint, Concord Precint, 

 Also the 1886 CA Voters. They both show his naturalization date and 
 place. 

 On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 9:35 AM, luiznoia .  wrote:

> Sami.
>
> On the 1910 census , the name has been switched to Enos. 
>
> They lived in Baypoint, which was renamed Port Chicago, and is 
> currently in the Concord Naval Weapons Station, 
>
> having been closed and evacuated by the US government in 1969. 
>
> Their son's draft card shows this as his birthplace 
>
> This 1914 map shows it on the river north of Concord
>
> On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Sami  wrote:
>
>> Hi Kathie,
>> I'm wondering now if your Michael J. Enos was my 2nd 
>> great-grandfather John Enes/Enos Vargas's brother. It has been said his 
>> father's name was Joseph, but no one can find anything about him. Do you 
>> have any info on Joseph and Frances? 
>> Thanks, 
>> Sami
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 9:22:27 PM UTC-5, Kathie Enos Simond 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It is a journey as I have finally found the link to my grandmother 
>>> Enos, she was always called Emily but her legal name was Susan Emily 
>>> one I 
>>> plugged it in correctly all the information fell into place.
>>>
>>> My GG Grandfather Michael J. Enos was from the Azores, Portugal and 
>>> arrived in 1885 to New Bedford area.
>>>
>>> If I am correct his legal name would be Miguel Jose Ignatio  ? 
>>> Ignatio when spoken with Portuguese dialect sounds exactly like ENOS.
>>>
>>> You can use google translate with speakers on, which was how I came 
>>> to possibility of Ignatio. His fathers name was Joseph ( Jose) and his 
>>> mother Frances (Francesca) this is my best guess anyway.
>>>
>>> Best Wishes- Kathie
>>>
>>> on Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 12:11:41 AM UTC-4, E. Sharp wrote:
>>>
 I had an Aunt Emma.  Her birth name was Mary. She was the 2nd Mary 
 in the family so they called her Emma 
 "E" 
  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Is my DNA leading to a distant ancestor on Pico?

[IslandRoutes]

Over the last year, I've been noticing 4th to remote cousin DNA matches 
whose trees are entirely on Pico.  I pretty much ignored them because my 
tree several generations back is entirely on Sao Miguel Island.  I didn't 
really think much of it and thought maybe they are identical by state, 
rather than true cousin matches.

Then, last week I got a new match.  This person is another 4th to remote.  
But the difference is he matches my 3rd cousin on the Pacheco line 
(primarily in Fenais da Vera Cruz, Estrela, Nordestinho, Conceicao) on the 
same sequence on chromosome 2.  My Pacheco cousin shares most of her DNA 
with me on this block.

My new match has 2 generations in Furnas and then the rest of the tree is 
on Pico.  I didn't see common surnames in his Furnas names and I have no 
ancestry there that I know of.

So, now I wonder if someone in my Pacheco line has roots in Pico.  I am 
back into the mid 1750s or earlier on many of the lines on this side of my 
tree.  There's no clues thus far.

How far back can autosomal DNA predict a relationship?  If it is a real 
match, I think it's probably going to be in the 1600s.

Mostly this is curiosity about how far the autosomal test can really 
reach.  I'll continue to work on this side of the tree, but I'm not going 
focus on finding a link (unless it falls into my lap...LOL)


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Braga found in Estrela (for John Roias and others)

[IslandRoutes]

John, 
I can't seem to find your email address right now.  I know that you and 
others are interested in Braga's of Sao Miguel.

I was going through Estrela for another family.  I found this entry in 1754 
that I thought might interest those researching the line.  I didn't see any 
other Braga's in the era in this village.

It's on the right hand side, baptismal for Francisco.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1753-1757/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1753-1757_master/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1753-1757_JPG/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1753-1757_0089.jpg

Passing it on in case you haven't come across this in your research.

Mel

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[AZORES-Genealogy] SATA Airlines on strike Aug 23-26

[E. Sharp]

If you are planning on traveling for a genealogy, fun trip to Azores on these 
dates, best to contact your travel agent now. 

"E"

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Standardized names

[JR]

It's Agueda for modern usage. Agada is the old form.

JR

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 1:21:44 PM UTC-4, Sme wrote:
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> Agada or Agueda?   (femlale first name)
>
>
> Suzanne
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How to cut and paste records

[JR]

Place mouse over the text you want to copy, left click and hold; while 
holding down button, scroll or drag over text until you see what you want 
copied' It should appear highlighted or discolored. Release the mouse 
button. You should see some text highlighted. Place mouse over the 
highlighted text, this time right click, choose, copy. It is now saved in 
memory. To paste item, place mouse over the area where you want to paste, 
such as a page in text file or program, right click, choose paste. The same 
applies to images, but you have to scroll over the entire image when 
holding the left mouse button. The image should highlight. Then repeat the 
procedure for copy paste.

One exception is that some programs will not interface properly, such as 
FTM.  In FTM, you can go to edit, copy file. It is saved to memory. But to 
paste to email you first have to paste to any text program. Just open any 
text file, right on on area you want to paste into, choose paste. Then do 
the copy procedure and go to email and right click and hit paste.

JR

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 12:19:23 PM UTC-4, "E" Sharp wrote:
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> Thank you both.  I will try those...wish me luck. I have to do these 
> myself now as my hubby refuses to work on anything but a MAC and, 
> unfortunately, I have an HP with Windows 7!!
>
> "E"
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Standardized names

[Sme]

Agada or Agueda?   (femlale first name)


Suzanne

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How to cut and paste records

["E" Sharp]

Thank you both.  I will try those...wish me luck. I have to do these myself
now as my hubby refuses to work on anything but a MAC and, unfortunately, I
have an HP with Windows 7!!

"E"

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: accessing mainland records

['Lillian Palko' via Azores Genealogy]

Working for me this morning.

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 1:01:59 PM UTC-7, JR wrote:
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> Can anyone access the mainland Portugal records using the Tombo index. I 
> was not able. Everything times out or is inaccessible. Did the addresses 
> move?
>
> JR
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A child "presented" to Izabel Martins

[Maria Lima]

Margaret and JR:

What a treasure you've given me.  Saying "Thank You" doesn't begin to express 
my excitement.  

Margaret, I read your email last night after "lights out".  I accompanied my 
husband on a trip to Indiana and I get to spend 2 WHOLE days doing family 
research.  YAY!  I'm not home so laundry or dust or cooking don't call my 
name.  Yesterday I only found the Maria born in São José but still felt 
rewarded for all the hours I spent looking for Antonia.   

I was certain that I would look for find Antonia today.  I almost  fell out of 
bed when I saw you already found Antonia and "then some"!!  How on earth did 
you find those records that fast?  I spent all day and came up with one name!! 

JR- what a treasure you sent.  I've been reschearching for almost a year to 
trace my husband's LIMA name and got as far back as some of the names you sent 
me.  

Yesterday I decided to find as many husbands and wives of Manoel da Costa's 
(and Izabel Martins') children.   You sent me that and more.  

What a reward after yesterday when I felt like all those hours and I only got 
one name!!!  (Of course I did a happy dance when I found even that ONE name.). 嵐

Thank you- Thank You!!

 Maria Elena 

> On Aug 8, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Elizabeth Migliori  wrote:
> 
> she was given child because she was nursing and could feed the baby.  
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:
>> Wow!  Izabel had a daughter which they named Maria and was baptized April 
>> 1-then a few pages later I find ANOTHER child baptized 1 June (also named 
>> Maria) but her parents are Unknown.  It says she was "presented" to Izabel 
>> Martins, wife of Manoel da Costa.
>> 
>> How do I record this second Maria who is not biological child of the couple? 
>> (Well, we don't know if she's the child of the father or some relative) when 
>> this child was given to her to raise, she already had 5 of her own and the 
>> youngest was two months old.  Weird situation but maybe someone has more 
>> insight. 
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P103.html
>> 
>> Help?
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A child "presented" to Izabel Martins

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

Actually it isn't strange. For a newborn foundling, you tried real hard to 
place the child with somebody who was nursing; either a mother who had a baby 
of her own or one whose baby had recently died. Otherwise the foundling would 
likely not thrive without a supply of breast milk.
JMR 

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 8:06 PM, Maria Lima  
wrote:
 

 Wow!  Izabel had a daughter which they named Maria and was baptized April 
1-then a few pages later I find ANOTHER child baptized 1 June (also named 
Maria) but her parents are Unknown.  It says she was "presented" to Izabel 
Martins, wife of Manoel da Costa.
How do I record this second Maria who is not biological child of the couple? 
(Well, we don't know if she's the child of the father or some relative) when 
this child was given to her to raise, she already had 5 of her own and the 
youngest was two months old.  Weird situation but maybe someone has more 
insight. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1673-1687_item1/P103.html
Help?

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