date:20170819

Thank you.  This is wonderful news.  Thanks to everyone who helped in 
making these available.  

Suzanne

On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 12:50:14 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Suzanne,
>  
> The Confession Rolls were sort of a Church Census that the Priest took 
> each year to see who had made their confessions and communion. The 
> usefulness is that it places your family in a specific place and tells you 
> who is living together in that house. Often times the mother or 
> mother-in-law is living with a daughter's family. In later years (late 
> 1900's at least) the relationship to the head of house is given. 
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Sme  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> What are the confessional rolls and what can be gleaned from them? 
>>
>> Suzanne
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Leam vs Leal

Here is the link.  Bottom right.  It is the godmother's father:  Joao
Machado Leam.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P185.html
Bottom right.  The godmother's father   Joao Machado Leam

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: An old one, but pretty from 1650 - parents of Apelonia Dias de Borba?

Thanks, Cheri.  I will check it out.

Suzanne

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Off subject: FTM

I believe that's the "sync" feature. It sounds like Pam understood you
though and answered you.

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 7:07 PM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Whoops, yes, sorry.  I meant to type MacKiev.  There is a feature in their
> FTM software that connects to Ancestry.com where you can update your tree
> on one and it updates it on the other.  In other words makes changes in
> your tree on Ancestry.com and it will connect an update your tree on your
> computer and vice versa but; I cannot get my MacKiev FTM to go online.  It
> is supposed to do it via the Explorer browser which I do have on my
> computer and I can go on line using it.  Just not from my MacKiev FTM
> software.  There fore my tree on Ancestry and my tree on my computer can’t
> “talk” to each other.  Gr……
>
>
>
> Sam (Camas, WA)
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Saturday, August 19, 2017 5:12 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Off subject: FTM
>
>
>
> McAfee doesn't make Family Tree Maker (FTM). McAfee is an anti-virus
> software or, depending on the package you purchased, a security suite.
>
> Family Tree Maker (FTM) is published by MacKiev. It's a genealogy software.
>
> So McAfee can't possibly make Family Tree Maker.
>
> Most people access the Internet by using a browser, such as Chrome,
> Firefox, Bing, Safari. FTM isn't a browser either.
>
>
>
> Cheri
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 5:05 PM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Cheri and all, I apologize in advance for being off topic, i.e. genealogy,
> but; I am at my wits end.  I’ve installed the new McAfee FTM and now I
> can’t get FTM to go online.  I am connected to the internet as I can go
> online and I’ve disabled my firewalls but; I still can’t get online via
> FTM.  Any ideas?
>
>
>
> Heartfelt thanks for your help with this,
>
>
>
> Sam (Camas, WA)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Off subject: FTM

Yes I know google your problem it will pop up how to fix. I know because I
spent hours trying to get mine to work to find out I needed to buy the
2017. It show how to get to connect back to internet

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 7:07 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Whoops, yes, sorry.  I meant to type MacKiev.  There is a feature in their
> FTM software that connects to Ancestry.com where you can update your tree
> on one and it updates it on the other.  In other words makes changes in
> your tree on Ancestry.com and it will connect an update your tree on your
> computer and vice versa but; I cannot get my MacKiev FTM to go online.  It
> is supposed to do it via the Explorer browser which I do have on my
> computer and I can go on line using it.  Just not from my MacKiev FTM
> software.  There fore my tree on Ancestry and my tree on my computer can’t
> “talk” to each other.  Gr……
>
>
>
> Sam (Camas, WA)
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Saturday, August 19, 2017 5:12 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Off subject: FTM
>
>
>
> McAfee doesn't make Family Tree Maker (FTM). McAfee is an anti-virus
> software or, depending on the package you purchased, a security suite.
>
> Family Tree Maker (FTM) is published by MacKiev. It's a genealogy software.
>
> So McAfee can't possibly make Family Tree Maker.
>
> Most people access the Internet by using a browser, such as Chrome,
> Firefox, Bing, Safari. FTM isn't a browser either.
>
>
>
> Cheri
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 5:05 PM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Cheri and all, I apologize in advance for being off topic, i.e. genealogy,
> but; I am at my wits end.  I’ve installed the new McAfee FTM and now I
> can’t get FTM to go online.  I am connected to the internet as I can go
> online and I’ve disabled my firewalls but; I still can’t get online via
> FTM.  Any ideas?
>
>
>
> Heartfelt thanks for your help with this,
>
>
>
> Sam (Camas, WA)
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Mother's Name

2017-08-19 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy


Thanks Cheri. I don't know why I type G instead Q lol double checked I did 
it right in my FTM. whe. I was dreaming in Portuguese last night after 
going through the records yesterday.my husband said I was even talking out 
loud in Portuguese  it was hysterical. 

Kellie

On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 8:59:47 PM UTC-5, Kellie Crnkovich wrote:
>
> On this one I got Pedro de Souza Margues son of Simao Maques and Isabel de 
> Souza for the wife I have Luzia das Candaias de Azevedo daughter Jose Lopes 
> and Maria __ ??
>
> Bottom one on the second page to right.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1756-1795/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1756-1795_item1/P27.html
>
> Thank you so much
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Off subject: FTM

Whoops, yes, sorry.  I meant to type MacKiev.  There is a feature in their FTM 
software that connects to Ancestry.com where you can update your tree on one 
and it updates it on the other.  In other words makes changes in your tree on 
Ancestry.com and it will connect an update your tree on your computer and vice 
versa but; I cannot get my MacKiev FTM to go online.  It is supposed to do it 
via the Explorer browser which I do have on my computer and I can go on line 
using it.  Just not from my MacKiev FTM software.  There fore my tree on 
Ancestry and my tree on my computer can’t “talk” to each other.  Gr……

Sam (Camas, WA)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 5:12 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Off subject: FTM

McAfee doesn't make Family Tree Maker (FTM). McAfee is an anti-virus software 
or, depending on the package you purchased, a security suite.
Family Tree Maker (FTM) is published by MacKiev. It's a genealogy software.
So McAfee can't possibly make Family Tree Maker. 
Most people access the Internet by using a browser, such as Chrome, Firefox, 
Bing, Safari. FTM isn't a browser either.

Cheri


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 5:05 PM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Cheri and all, I apologize in advance for being off topic, i.e. genealogy, but; 
I am at my wits end.  I’ve installed the new McAfee FTM and now I can’t get FTM 
to go online.  I am connected to the internet as I can go online and I’ve 
disabled my firewalls but; I still can’t get online via FTM.  Any ideas?
 
Heartfelt thanks for your help with this,
 
Sam (Camas, WA)
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Mother's Name

Marques. The 4th letter is a "Q" not a "G." If you Gedcom your family tree
to someone and they go searching for your common Marques ancestor they
won't find it because it's misspelled. :(

The bride's mom is Maria S.ta (Maria Santa). Compare the "S" to the one in
Souza or Simao.

You're doing great! Cheri



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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 6:51 PM, Kellie Crnkovich 
wrote:

> On this one I got Pedro de Souza Margues son of Simao Maques and Isabel de
> Souza for the wife I have Luzia das Candaias de Azevedo daughter Jose Lopes
> and Maria __ ??
>
> Bottom one on the second page to right.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-
> CH-TOPO-C-1756-1795/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1756-1795_item1/P27.html
>
> Thank you so much
>
> Kellie Crnkovich
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Off subject: FTM

Also did you buy the 2017 the update won't let you go online you have to
buy new 2017 for 39

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 6:52 PM Pam Santos  wrote:

> He means mackiev. Google the problem I seen somewhere how to fix
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 5:12 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> McAfee doesn't make Family Tree Maker (FTM). McAfee is an anti-virus
>> software or, depending on the package you purchased, a security suite.
>>
>> Family Tree Maker (FTM) is published by MacKiev. It's a genealogy
>> software.
>>
>> So McAfee can't possibly make Family Tree Maker.
>>
>> Most people access the Internet by using a browser, such as Chrome,
>> Firefox, Bing, Safari. FTM isn't a browser either.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 5:05 PM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cheri and all, I apologize in advance for being off topic, i.e.
>>> genealogy, but; I am at my wits end.  I’ve installed the new McAfee FTM and
>>> now I can’t get FTM to go online.  I am connected to the internet as I can
>>> go online and I’ve disabled my firewalls but; I still can’t get online via
>>> FTM.  Any ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Heartfelt thanks for your help with this,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam (Camas, WA)
>>>
>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Mother's Name

On this one I got Pedro de Souza Margues son of Simao Maques and Isabel de 
Souza for the wife I have Luzia das Candaias de Azevedo daughter Jose Lopes 
and Maria __ ??

Bottom one on the second page to right.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1756-1795/SJR-CH-TOPO-C-1756-1795_item1/P27.html

Thank you so much

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Off subject: FTM

McAfee doesn't make Family Tree Maker (FTM). McAfee is an anti-virus
software or, depending on the package you purchased, a security suite.

Family Tree Maker (FTM) is published by MacKiev. It's a genealogy software.

So McAfee can't possibly make Family Tree Maker.

Most people access the Internet by using a browser, such as Chrome,
Firefox, Bing, Safari. FTM isn't a browser either.

Cheri

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On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 5:05 PM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Cheri and all, I apologize in advance for being off topic, i.e. genealogy,
> but; I am at my wits end.  I’ve installed the new McAfee FTM and now I
> can’t get FTM to go online.  I am connected to the internet as I can go
> online and I’ve disabled my firewalls but; I still can’t get online via
> FTM.  Any ideas?
>
>
>
> Heartfelt thanks for your help with this,
>
>
>
> Sam (Camas, WA)
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: An old one, but pretty from 1650 - parents of Apelonia Dias de Borba?

2017-08-19 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Suzanne,
FTDNA is having a sale through the end of the month. You want Family
Finder. They'll probably have another sale at the end of the year. If you
want to take advantage of the current sale, order here:
https://goo.gl/yfqYQ5
Cheri

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mother's name

2017-08-19 Thread Sandra Perez

I see Manuel Pereira de Lemos e Sesilia ? Machado.

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 12:18 AM,  wrote:

> I agree that the last name is Machado, but think the first name is Maria.
> The newly available SJ marriage index shows a Manuel Pereira de Lemos
> marrying a Maria de Luis Machado on 12 Oct 1711 in this same parish.  I
> can't read it with certainty, but I think that might be the parents on this
> baptism.  The only names I see clearly enough to guess are Manuel and Lemos
> for the father and Machado for the mother.
>
> Bill Seidler
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Off subject: FTM

Cheri and all, I apologize in advance for being off topic, i.e. genealogy, but; 
I am at my wits end.  I’ve installed the new McAfee FTM and now I can’t get FTM 
to go online.  I am connected to the internet as I can go online and I’ve 
disabled my firewalls but; I still can’t get online via FTM.  Any ideas?

Heartfelt thanks for your help with this,

Sam (Camas, WA)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: An old one, but pretty from 1650 - parents of Apelonia Dias de Borba?

I have done  23 & me.   I probably should do the ftdna so I'm on the same
page as everyone else.  That would be awesome to have your Ancestry tree.
I sent Jeremy a pdf copy of my tree from my great grandpa Pedro Silveira
Faustino.  I can send one to you too.

Pedro married Maria Victorina de Bettencourt in Salinas, Monterey, CA  on
10 Aug 1896.  They had a bunch of kids, but my grandmother Cecilia Louise
Foster was born 2 Oct 1908 in Castroville, Monterey, CA.   She had my dad
Charles N. Brill who was born on 17 Feb 1930, died 6 Dec 1986 in
Foresthill, Placer, CA.   My dad had me.  :)I think we are probably
first cousins but I don't know how far back.

I always love meeting new cousins!

Suzanne

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Eric Souza 
wrote:

> Awesome! Yes, we are! Have you done your DNA? I'm in GEDmatch at T153402
> ... also would be happy to share my Ancestry tree ...
>
> On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 9:58:11 AM UTC-7, climb...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> Eric !We are cousins!Apolonia Dias de Borba and Diogo Nunes Belo
>> are my 8th great grandmother, with her parents being my 9th.  (assuming
>> these people are your ancestors)
>>
>> Suzanne
>>
>> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 10:36:06 AM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's another that has extended my tree ... can someone help me
>>> identify the names of the parents of Apelonia Dias de Borba?
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-
>>> CALHETA-C-1631-1696/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1631-1696_item1/P12.html
>>>
>>> It's the second one on the left ...
>>>
>>> Diogo, fo de Joao Nunes Bello (defunto) e de Maria de Almeida
>>> Appellonia Dias de Borba, fa de Antonio ?? e Andreza Jorge?
>>>
>>> Thanks for the look!
>>>
>>> - Eric
>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation of Joao Machado de Azevedo and Isabel Silveira de Azevedo

Oh this is awsome thank you so much everyone I appreciate the information. 
 Granddaughters and another wife woww.

Kellie Crnkvovich

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 6:58:49 PM UTC-5, Kellie Crnkovich wrote:
>
> Ok second attempt at translating Can someone translate this underline 
> section and the margin note for me?
>
> I get to the father and it Looks like it is Manuel Silveira Machado (I 
> have Capitao Manuel Sliveira de Azevedo Looks like I need to change his 
> marriage records also say Manuel Silveira Machado) but I see it is 
> underlined and a margin note I can't read completely see below. Mother 
> Maria Silveira __ (marriage for her looks like Maria 
> Silveira do
>  Sao Joaquim), a Isabel Silveira de Azevedo daughter of Antonio Silveira 
> da Souza and Mother Maria Bernarda
>
>
> Margin note: I got
>
> Son of Nicholau Silveira ___, Maria de Azevedo daughter of 
> Sargento Mor Antonio de Azevedo Teixeira son of Manuel de Azevedo Teixeira 
> and Ana Dias de Lemos, son of Capitao Mor de Azevedo and Maria ?Vaz(r)?. 
> _ Rita da _, ___ da _Azevedo Leonardo, 
> _ Capittao Mor __ Manuel ___ de 
> ?Azevedo? and Isabel Silveira
>
> Bottom right hand page
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1781-1819/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1781-1819_item1/P150.html
>
> Thank you so much
> Kellie Crnkovich
> Sao Jorge and Pico 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation

Thank you Cheri trying to figure out if right Antonio and Maria so this 
helps a lot.

Kellie

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 6:58:42 PM UTC-5, Kellie Crnkovich wrote:
>
> Thank you so much for the Sao Jorge Marriage index I am going through it 
> now and at my first time trying to translate what it is says. I am not 
> doing very good at figuring this out.  Hopefully the more I do the better I 
> will get.  Can someone please translate this record. It is the second 
> record marriage of Jose Machado de Avila and Maria Francesca de Jesus. 
>  Thank you so much
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1803-1822/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1803-1822_item1/P34.html
>
>
> Kellie Crnkovich
> Marianna Avila Sao Jorge
> Manuel Pereira Silva Pico
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Translation of Joao Machado de Azevedo and Isabel Silveira de Azevedo

2017-08-19 Thread linda

Transcription: 

f.o de Nicolau Sil.ra
dos Rosais, e de D.
M.a d'Az.do f.a do
Sargento mor An
t.o d'Az.do Teix.ra
f.o de M.el d'Az.do Teix.ra
e de Ana Dias da
Lemos (Limos?), f.o de Cap.
mor Manuel
D'Azevedo e da
Maria Vaz.
Logo Rita da
Gloria, viuva
de M.el Md.o Leo
nardo, da Rua
Nova e 5a neta
D'Azevedo cap. mor.
por sua f.a d'aquele
João M.do Azevedo
e da Isabel Sil.ra

Translation:

the son of Nicolau Silveira dos Rosais, 
and of Dona Maria d'Azevedo daughter of 
Sargento mor Antonio d'Azevedo Teixeira son of
Manuel d'Azevedo Teixeira and Ana Dias da Lemos,
son of Capitao Mor Manuel d'Azevedo and Maria Vaz.
["Logo", = according to??] Rita da Gloria, widow of
Manuel Machado Leonardo, on the Rua Nova (New Road)
and the fifth [fourth great?] granddaughter of that same Capitao Mor
by his daughter of [by?] that same João Machado Azevedo and
Isabel Silveira.

The section of the main record that you didn't quite get is where the priest 
corrected himself ("digo") and added that the parents were deceased.

As always, corrections are much appreciated.

Hope this helps :)

Linda



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation

3 Sep 1791
Antonio Silveira de Souza, son of Pedro de Souza Marques and Luzia das
Candeias, natives of Matriz of Nossa Senhora do Rosario

Maria Bernarda de Jesus, daughter of Manuel Machado de Lemos and Rosa(?)
Maria, natives of the freguesia of this Matriz of Santa Catarina

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Kellie Crnkovich 
wrote:

> Can anyone help with this marriage record also.  This one is for Antonio
> Silveira de Souza and Maria Bernarda de Jesus. There are so many curly q's
> I can barely make any words out.  Thank you so much.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-
> CH-CALHETA-C-1781-1819/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1781-1819_item1/P40.html
>
> Kellie Crnkovch
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 6:58:42 PM UTC-5, Kellie Crnkovich wrote:
>>
>> Thank you so much for the Sao Jorge Marriage index I am going through it
>> now and at my first time trying to translate what it is says. I am not
>> doing very good at figuring this out.  Hopefully the more I do the better I
>> will get.  Can someone please translate this record. It is the second
>> record marriage of Jose Machado de Avila and Maria Francesca de Jesus.
>> Thank you so much
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-
>> RIBEIRASECA-C-1803-1822/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1803-1822_item1/P34.html
>>
>>
>> Kellie Crnkovich
>> Marianna Avila Sao Jorge
>> Manuel Pereira Silva Pico
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Leam vs Leal

2017-08-19 Thread Rosemarie Capodicci

Thanks, Margaret, I would like to see the link also. If it's for Leao,
Lion, I'd like to add it to my list!


Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> Suzanne pls post the link to verify but it should not be taken as the same
> because as far as I know Leam is for Leão (Lion) a surname used across the
> islands albeit not very common.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 19, 2017, at 3:47 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
> I would say yes, Suzanne. The Priests had that little trick that they did
> with so many names/places etc. Sam Jorge, Sam Jose, Joam etc.
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Sme  wrote:
>
>> Is Leal  the same  as Leam?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Suzanne
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Confessional Rolls

Suzanne,

They will vary with the amount of information from village to village, too.
So what you see in one place, you may not see in another.

Cheri

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> Hi all.
>
> What are the confessional rolls and what can be gleaned from them?
>
> Suzanne
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation

2017-08-19 Thread 'Jeremy G. B-C: Researching Sao Jorge' via Azores Genealogy

Can anyone help with this marriage record also.  This one is for Antonio 
Silveira de Souza and Maria Bernarda de Jesus. There are so many curly q's 
I can barely make any words out.  Thank you so much.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1781-1819/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1781-1819_item1/P40.html

Kellie Crnkovch

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 6:58:42 PM UTC-5, Kellie Crnkovich wrote:
>
> Thank you so much for the Sao Jorge Marriage index I am going through it 
> now and at my first time trying to translate what it is says. I am not 
> doing very good at figuring this out.  Hopefully the more I do the better I 
> will get.  Can someone please translate this record. It is the second 
> record marriage of Jose Machado de Avila and Maria Francesca de Jesus. 
>  Thank you so much
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1803-1822/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1803-1822_item1/P34.html
>
>
> Kellie Crnkovich
> Marianna Avila Sao Jorge
> Manuel Pereira Silva Pico
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Confessional Rolls


>
> Hi Suzanne,
>

Here is what I wrote about them a while back when it came up:

For those of you who are not familiar with Confessional Rolls, they have 
the genealogical application of a census, and include much of the same 
information... (i.e. Head of household, subsequent family members, their 
relationship to the head of house, their age, occupation, the neighborhood 
or street they resided in, and occasionally the address and sometimes other 
notes.  I even have found the father of an illegitimate ancestor in these 
rolls.  The priest walked and recorded the data house to house so you also 
can find info by seeing who they lived near or next to.   

JEREMY

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation of Joao Machado de Azevedo and Isabel Silveira de Azevedo

2017-08-19 Thread Shirley Allegre

Hi Pam: This is what I see:

DOM 11 Jan 1817
Joam Machado d'Azevedo, WIDOWER of Teresa Laurianna.
son of (CAPTAIN Manoel Silveira Machado X Maria Silveira) both deceased?
SPOUSE
Isabel Silveira d'Azevedo
(Antonio Silveira de Sousa X Maria Bernarda), natives this Matriz of Santa
Catharina, village of Calheta, island of Sao Jorge.
TESTIMONY
CAPTAIN Miguel Antonio da Silveira e Sousa
CAPTAIN Jose Sebastiam de Sousa

MARGIN:
son of Nicolau de __, of Rosais X Maria d'Azevedo*
*Maria daughter of SARGENT MOR Antonio de Azevedo Teixeira or Ferreira
Antonio son of Manoel d'Azevedo X Maria Var?, logo/digo Rita da Gloria,
Maria? WIDOW of Manoel Machado Leonardo, rua 9 5_ neto de Azevedo
al? mor? por/ ser
daughter of _ __
Joao Machado de Azevedo X Isabel Silveira.

Do you have any dates??? I have several of these names in my PAF program.
Kellie Krnkovich might be related to my husband.

Shirley in CA
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation of Joao Machado de Azevedo and
Isabel Silveira de Azevedo

Son of Nicholau Silveira _dos Rosaes? __, Maria de Azevedo daughter
of Sargento Mor Antonio de Azevedo Teixeira son of Manuel de Azevedo Teixeira
and Ana Dias de Lemos, son of Capitao Mor de Azevedo and Maria ?Vaz(r)?. _
Rita da _Gloria widower of Manuel _Mendonca Leonardo, _
Capittao Mor __ Joao Medonca? ___ de ?Azevedo? and Isabel Silva

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Kellie Crnkovich
wrote:

Ok second attempt at translating Can someone translate this underline
section and the margin note for me?

I get to the father and it Looks like it is Manuel Silveira Machado (I have
Capitao Manuel Sliveira de Azevedo Looks like I need to change his marriage
records also say Manuel Silveira Machado) but I see it is underlined and a
margin note I can't read completely see below. Mother Maria Silveira
__ (marriage for her looks like Maria Silveira do
Sao Joaquim), a Isabel Silveira de Azevedo daughter of Antonio Silveira da
Souza and Mother Maria Bernarda

Margin note: I got

Son of Nicholau Silveira ___, Maria de Azevedo daughter of Sargento
Mor Antonio de Azevedo Teixeira son of Manuel de Azevedo Teixeira and Ana Dias
de Lemos, son of Capitao Mor de Azevedo and Maria ?Vaz(r)?. _ Rita da
_, ___ da _Azevedo Leonardo, _ Capittao Mor
__ Manuel ___ de ?Azevedo? and Isabel Silveira

Bottom right hand page

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1781-1819/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1781-1819_item1/P150.html

Thank you so much
Kellie Crnkovich
Sao Jorge and Pico

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation of Joao Machado de Azevedo and Isabel Silveira de Azevedo

Thats great you will pick it up more just keep reading them, and You're
welcome

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> Thank you so much . I'm learning as I go actually got through like 19
> records yesterday and only had issues with the 2 I posted.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Leam vs Leal

"am" is the older ending for what is "ão" today.

Sam Miguel or Sam Jorge is São Miguel or São Jorge today. Joam is João
today. So Leam would be the old version of Leão (Lion) which I haven't seen
much of. James Guill lists them as separate surnames.

You should post the link to the record to be sure.

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On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> Suzanne pls post the link to verify but it should not be taken as the same
> because as far as I know Leam is for Leão (Lion) a surname used across the
> islands albeit not very common.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 19, 2017, at 3:47 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
> I would say yes, Suzanne. The Priests had that little trick that they did
> with so many names/places etc. Sam Jorge, Sam Jose, Joam etc.
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Sme  wrote:
>
>> Is Leal  the same  as Leam?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Suzanne
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Leam vs Leal

2017-08-19 Thread Margaret Vicente

Suzanne pls post the link to verify but it should not be taken as the same 
because as far as I know Leam is for Leão (Lion) a surname used across the 
islands albeit not very common.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 19, 2017, at 3:47 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> I would say yes, Suzanne. The Priests had that little trick that they did 
> with so many names/places etc. Sam Jorge, Sam Jose, Joam etc. 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Sme  wrote:
>> Is Leal  the same  as Leam?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Suzanne
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: An old one, but pretty from 1650 - parents of Apelonia Dias de Borba?

2017-08-19 Thread Eric Souza

Awesome! Yes, we are! Have you done your DNA? I'm in GEDmatch at T153402 
... also would be happy to share my Ancestry tree ...

On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 9:58:11 AM UTC-7, climb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Eric !We are cousins!Apolonia Dias de Borba and Diogo Nunes Belo 
> are my 8th great grandmother, with her parents being my 9th.  (assuming  
> these people are your ancestors)  
>
> Suzanne
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 10:36:06 AM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>>
>> Here's another that has extended my tree ... can someone help me identify 
>> the names of the parents of Apelonia Dias de Borba?
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1631-1696/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1631-1696_item1/P12.html
>>
>> It's the second one on the left ...
>>
>> Diogo, fo de Joao Nunes Bello (defunto) e de Maria de Almeida
>> Appellonia Dias de Borba, fa de Antonio ?? e Andreza Jorge?
>>
>> Thanks for the look!
>>
>> - Eric
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Confessional Rolls

2017-08-19 Thread Kathy Cardoza

Suzanne

There is a description of them on the Azores GenWeb. 

Kathy 

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> What are the confessional rolls and what can be gleaned from them? 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Confessional Rolls

2017-08-19 Thread Rosemarie Capodicci

Suzanne,

The Confession Rolls were sort of a Church Census that the Priest took each
year to see who had made their confessions and communion. The usefulness is
that it places your family in a specific place and tells you who is living
together in that house. Often times the mother or mother-in-law is living
with a daughter's family. In later years (late 1900's at least) the
relationship to the head of house is given.

Rosemarie
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Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Sme  wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> What are the confessional rolls and what can be gleaned from them?
>
> Suzanne
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Leam vs Leal

2017-08-19 Thread Rosemarie Capodicci

I would say yes, Suzanne. The Priests had that little trick that they did
with so many names/places etc. Sam Jorge, Sam Jose, Joam etc.

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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

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> Is Leal  the same  as Leam?
>
> Thanks.
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Confessional Rolls

Hi all.

What are the confessional rolls and what can be gleaned from them?

Suzanne

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Leam vs Leal

Is Leal  the same  as Leam?

Thanks.

Suzanne

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation of Joao Machado de Azevedo and Isabel Silveira de Azevedo

Thank you so much . I'm learning as I go actually got through like 19 records 
yesterday and only had issues with the 2 I posted. 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation of Joao Machado de Azevedo and Isabel Silveira de Azevedo

Son of Nicholau Silveira _dos Rosaes? __, Maria de Azevedo daughter
of Sargento Mor Antonio de Azevedo Teixeira son of Manuel de Azevedo
Teixeira and Ana Dias de Lemos, son of Capitao Mor de Azevedo and Maria
?Vaz(r)?. _ Rita da _Gloria widower of Manuel _Mendonca Leonardo,
_ Capittao Mor __ Joao Medonca? ___
de ?Azevedo? and Isabel Silva

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Kellie Crnkovich 
wrote:

> Ok second attempt at translating Can someone translate this underline
> section and the margin note for me?
>
> I get to the father and it Looks like it is Manuel Silveira Machado (I
> have Capitao Manuel Sliveira de Azevedo Looks like I need to change his
> marriage records also say Manuel Silveira Machado) but I see it is
> underlined and a margin note I can't read completely see below. Mother
> Maria Silveira __ (marriage for her looks like Maria
> Silveira do
>  Sao Joaquim), a Isabel Silveira de Azevedo daughter of Antonio Silveira
> da Souza and Mother Maria Bernarda
>
>
> Margin note: I got
>
> Son of Nicholau Silveira ___, Maria de Azevedo daughter of
> Sargento Mor Antonio de Azevedo Teixeira son of Manuel de Azevedo Teixeira
> and Ana Dias de Lemos, son of Capitao Mor de Azevedo and Maria ?Vaz(r)?.
> _ Rita da _, ___ da _Azevedo Leonardo,
> _ Capittao Mor __ Manuel ___ de
> ?Azevedo? and Isabel Silveira
>
> Bottom right hand page
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-
> CH-CALHETA-C-1781-1819/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1781-1819_item1/P150.html
>
> Thank you so much
> Kellie Crnkovich
> Sao Jorge and Pico
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: An old one, but pretty from 1650 - parents of Apelonia Dias de Borba?

Eric !We are cousins!Apolonia Dias de Borba and Diogo Nunes Belo 
are my 8th great grandmother, with her parents being my 9th.  (assuming  
these people are your ancestors)  

Suzanne

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 10:36:06 AM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>
> Here's another that has extended my tree ... can someone help me identify 
> the names of the parents of Apelonia Dias de Borba?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1631-1696/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1631-1696_item1/P12.html
>
> It's the second one on the left ...
>
> Diogo, fo de Joao Nunes Bello (defunto) e de Maria de Almeida
> Appellonia Dias de Borba, fa de Antonio ?? e Andreza Jorge?
>
> Thanks for the look!
>
> - Eric
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

Chase,
It's best to go offlist with this now and email one of the project admins,
as we don't see anyone named Chase nor anyone registered with the above
email address in the Azores DNA project.

It's a large amount of data that has to go through the FTDNA system and
then the matches are retrieved. So it could take 2 hours or 24 hours. Click
on your Matches button to see. If it says 24 hours (the system only counts
in 24 hours blocks), then check back later today or tonight.

Here are the join instructions. Maybe you didn't click the orange "Join" at
the end or maybe it didn't go through or something.

Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.

Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at Projects.
When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."

If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down to
the JOIN button at the end.

If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says
"Search by Surname" and type: azores.

When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions.

Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Almada family; Sao Jorge; DNA testing

2017-08-19 Thread CW

I transferred my DNA results to FTDNA and joined the Azores project. But 
I'm pretty confused by the site. Can I already begin searching for matches, 
or do I have to purchase something first?

Chase

On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 11:31:02 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I checked Carlos Almeida's "Portuguese Immigrants," page 263. On that page 
> he lists anglicized California Portuguese family names. He lists Alameda 
> and Almeda for Almeida. He's not referring to a specific freguesia. 
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 6:13 PM, CW  
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks guys. I'm pretty sure it was Almada and not Almeida, but if I find 
>> some more DNA matches with Almada, I'd be even more confident about it. So 
>> I'll transfer my DNA results this weekend and start exploring on FTDNA.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 8:25:19 PM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep! The were butchered in the US! 
>>>
>>> Rosemarie 
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Mary Bordi  wrote:
>>>
 Good to know that Almeida and Almada are not the same (even if things 
 changed in the US. We know how THAT goes!). 

 Mary

 On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 5:03 PM Rosemarie Capodicci  
 wrote:

> Mary, 
> Cheri just asked me to clarify what I was saying about Almeida and 
> Almada. These are two different Surnames in Norte Grande, Sao Jorge, 
> Azores. In the USA Almeida may have been corrupted to Almada so I just 
> wanted to make that clear. 
>
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Mary Bordi  wrote:
>
>> I wanted to add that in Norte Grande records I have also come across 
>> the last name Almeida. I do not know if it's an alternate spelling of 
>> Almada. Just throwing that out there. I guess I should check the new 
>> marriage index and see it its in there. 
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:15 PM CW  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have long suspected that my ancestor, Antonio de Almada (b. abt. 
>>> 1800), who came to the United States in 1836 via the whaling industry 
>>> and 
>>> settled in New York, originated from Sao Jorge. But for a long time, my 
>>> suspicion was mostly due to the fact that most people with the Almada 
>>> surname seem to come from the area centered around Norte Grande. 
>>> Recently, 
>>> however, I stumbled on another clue that provides even more concrete 
>>> evidence that that is in fact where Antonio came from. 
>>>
>>> Several years ago I had my DNA tested on Ancestry.com. It wasn't 
>>> until a couple weeks ago while searching through my DNA matches I found 
>>> a 
>>> distant cousin who claimed to be descended from a Joao de Sousa de 
>>> Almada from Sao Jorge. While I am not descended from this particular 
>>> person 
>>> myself, when I trace his genealogy back a couple generations in the 
>>> parish 
>>> records, I come to the family of Manoel de Souza de Almada and his 
>>> wife, 
>>> Anna. They had a son named Antonio that was born around the right time 
>>> that 
>>> my ancestor would have been. And if this Antonio is indeed my ancestor, 
>>> that would explain my genetic connection to the person on Ancestry.com 
>>> who 
>>> said he was descended from Joao de Sousa de Almada - and more 
>>> importantly, I would confirm the date and place of my ancestor's birth. 
>>>
>>> But of course, there is also a chance that our link is through a 
>>> different ancestor altogether. So the way to prove it would be to find 
>>> another known descendant of the Almada family from Norte Grande and see 
>>> if 
>>> we're also connected. I notice DNA testing seems to be a major topic 
>>> for 
>>> discussion in this group - is there anyone out there who is also 
>>> descended 
>>> from this family? 
>>>
>>> Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Thanks!
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: ***** Ribeira Seca Baptism Index on Azores GenWeb

2017-08-19 Thread Judy Thompson

Thx for the clarification and the index.  It makes it so much easier to 
find a record. 

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 7:10:26 AM UTC-7, climb...@gmail.com wrote:

> There wasn't enough room for Kathy to put the whole xcel columns up.  In 
> my original xcel  I listed grandparents (if there were any listed),  what 
> their native place of birth was (if listed),  and  the parents of the 
> godparents and/or husbands/wives were listed.  Sometimes the record stated 
> the godfather with a sister or niece or stepdaughter.   
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 7:07:08 AM UTC-7, climb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> That is exactly what it means.   The name to the right of the godmother 
>> is the father  and or the father and mother of the godparents.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 2:33:33 PM UTC-7, Judy Thompson wrote:
>>>
>>> I love both indexes.  Was able to find great grandparents marriage even 
>>> though last name different.  From birth index, under godmother's name it 
>>> says "both children of".  Not clear what that means.  My best guess was 
>>> that both godparents are children of man listed in column to right of 
>>> godmother but not sure.  Record is on page 11 of 1676-1698 Ribeira Seca 
>>> birth index, first line numbered 0031 for Maria, b. 6 Sep 1685. Thx.
>>>
>>> Judy Thompson
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 6:51:24 AM UTC-7, Kathy Cardoza wrote:
>>>
 Another recent addition to the Azores GenWeb is the Baptisms for 
 Ribeira Seca, Sao Jorge, 1623-1716. These were contributed by Suzanne 
 Edvalson and are a work in progress. Thank you, Suzanne, for sharing your 
 efforts with everyone else!

 Kathy Cardoza
 Coordinator, Azores GenWeb
 ~~~
 Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
 http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
 ~~~





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Microfilms discontinued

2017-08-19 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel

Even that may come to an end as the machines to view them ware out and 
replacing/repairing them becomes impossible because they are no longer made or 
parts are not available.

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 9:26 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Microfilms discontinued

Also,  the Church, in a few weeks or so, will stop all ordering of all 
microfilm.  Thus, the only way to view such is:  1) If it is on FamilySearch; 
or 2)  You visit Salt Lake City if any of your local FHCs don't have it in 
their permanent file. 

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 4:38:11 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:

My understanding is that the Azorean Govenement must enter an agreement with 
Family Search to allow the indexing to begin. I don't know if any such 
agreement was made. Last I heard, negotiations between the Azorean government 
and Family Search broke down. I don't know if any attempts have been made again 
(from a couple of years ago).

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Pat Frade  
wrote:

Please refer to this article: the microfilms are being discontinued.

https://familysearch.org/blog/en/microfilm-distribution-discontinued-august-31-2017/

>From my last post a few months ago, I think Rosemarie said that the microfilms 
>are on disc. I think they need to be index so they can be put online and 
>searchable (that is the key word).

I would ask Cheri or Rosemarie to call the SLC Family History Library and ask 
the Portuguese Librarian to set up a time at the conference where we could meet 
together (maybe right after dinner) where questions can be asked/answered.

My understanding is very basic – but I am really pushing for these records to 
be indexed. What that mean – and please verify this with the librarian – we 
wouldn’t necessarily need to learn to read the old Portuguese script. We could 
type in a name, and the image will come up along with the “transcribe” 
information. I just looked up a name in FamilySearch – the name was Helen 
Evans, residence in California, and the top result was a census record, on the 
right side is the original document, and on the left side is the transcribe 
infor. On Ancestry you get the transcribed information, or it may look for a 
name in a document (like a newspaper).

The documents would have to be indexed (transcribed) by a person, I have seen 
it done. There is an army of people who are indexing records – my neighbor was 
working on the WWII veterans records. We just need to know IF the Azorean 
records have been indexed, if not where are they in the queue and if they are 
in the queue how many petitions would it take to move it forward.

Let’s talk more at the conference.

Pat Frade

Manuscript Cataloger

6741 Harold B. Lee Library

Brigham Young University

Provo, UT 84602

801-422-6730

pat_...@byu.edu   

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Microfilms discontinued

Also,  the Church, in a few weeks or so, will stop all ordering of all 
microfilm.  Thus, the only way to view such is:  1) If it is on 
FamilySearch; or 2)  You visit Salt Lake City if any of your local FHCs 
don't have it in their permanent file. 

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 4:38:11 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> My understanding is that the Azorean Govenement must enter an agreement 
> with Family Search to allow the indexing to begin. I don't know if any such 
> agreement was made. Last I heard, negotiations between the Azorean 
> government and Family Search broke down. I don't know if any attempts have 
> been made again (from a couple of years ago).
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Pat Frade  
> wrote:
>
>> Please refer to this article: the microfilms are being discontinued.
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> https://familysearch.org/blog/en/microfilm-distribution-discontinued-august-31-2017/
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> From my last post a few months ago, I think Rosemarie said that the 
>> microfilms are on disc. I think they need to be index so they can be put 
>> online and *searchable* (that is the key word).
>>
>>  
>>
>> I would ask Cheri or Rosemarie to call the SLC Family History Library and 
>> ask the Portuguese Librarian to set up a time at the conference where we 
>> could meet together (maybe right after dinner) where questions can be 
>> asked/answered.
>>
>>  
>>
>> My understanding is very basic – but I am really pushing for these 
>> records to be indexed. What that mean – and please verify this with the 
>> librarian – we wouldn’t necessarily need to learn to read the old 
>> Portuguese script. We could type in a name, and the image will come up 
>> along with the “transcribe” information. I just looked up a name in 
>> FamilySearch – the name was Helen Evans, residence in California, and the 
>> top result was a census record, on the right side is the original document, 
>> and on the left side is the transcribe infor. On Ancestry you get the 
>> transcribed information, or it may look for a name in a document (like a 
>> newspaper).
>>
>>  
>>
>> The documents would have to be indexed (transcribed) by a person, I have 
>> seen it done. There is an army of people who are indexing records – my 
>> neighbor was working on the WWII veterans records. We just need to know IF 
>> the Azorean records have been indexed, if not where are they in the queue 
>> and if they are in the queue how many petitions would it take to move it 
>> forward.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Let’s talk more at the conference.
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Pat Frade*
>>
>> Manuscript Cataloger
>>
>> 6741 Harold B. Lee Library
>>
>> Brigham Young University
>>
>> Provo, UT 84602
>>
>> 801-422-6730
>>
>> pat_...@byu.edu  
>>
>>  
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