date:20180731

Ha! I understand that too, Cheri.

I'm having trouble reading the info in that link though. I see names.
There is a Marianna Ursula! Maybe some connection to the Americanized Marie
U. I have a death certificate for. Maybe she is a sibling rather than a
parent of my Great-grandfather, Joao Linhares. These names are helpful, but
I don't read Portuguese. Where could I get help translating that Joao
Linhares baptism link you first shared?

LaRonda

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 10:00 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> You can keep on looking through the 1888 baptisms looking for another Joao
> born to another Manuel Antonio Linhares.
>
> That Marie U. Jacinto is a complete American thing. That's not her name.
>
> The link I gave you on the basic genealogy...I have a section in
> there...Who said it, when did they say it, and how did they know?
> Basically, who, what, when, where, how. My dad was the source of a lot of
> my stuff. So that was my "who." But I needed more. My dad got to the point
> where he'd say to me (after telling me the story or anecdote), "And before
> you ask, I was probably 8, 9, 10 years old, and it was grandpa who said
> that." Problem 1) My dad was relaying that story 65 years after it
> happened. A child's memory. Problem 2) THAT grandfather. That grandfather
> was always embellishing and doing "entertaining" things in his stories so I
> learned pretty quickly that his stories needed to be taken with a grain of
> salt.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 8:56 PM, LaRonda Zupp 
> wrote:
>
>> Ack! I misspelled it again! I'm so sorry. It was Jacinto, NOT Janinto.
>>
>> I totally understand what you're saying about the spelling of the names.
>> Jacinto/Jacintho or Marie/Maria or Jaquin/Joaquin. I wondered the same.
>>
>> I do have the death certificate with those first spellings tho, but I get
>> what you're saying. I didn't realize the death certificate wasn't as
>> helpful.
>>
>> Thank you for the links. The first baptism link you gave me for Joao
>> Linheras does show different parent names. But we have family photos and a
>> different name for the mother of our John (Joao) Linhares. His mother is
>> listed as Marie U. Jacinto.
>>
>> So do I have the right baptism link for My John (Joao) Linheras?
>>
>> Thank you for your patience.
>>
>> LaRonda
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 8:46 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> LaRonda,
>>>
>>> When you get into genealogy, you'll learn about primary and secondary
>>> sources. I explain it a little bit in this link. https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar
>>>
>>> Primary sources: Something generated AT THE TIME of the event.
>>> Secondary sources: Something generated AFTER the event.
>>>
>>> A death certificate is a primary source for the death ONLY. Anything you
>>> glean off of the death certificate is a secondary source. You need 2, 3, or
>>> sometimes more, secondary sources to agree with each other to figure out
>>> what you are trying to prove.
>>>
>>> This ancestor, Marie U. Janinto Linhares...Janinto is not a name. Maybe
>>> it's Jacinta (old spelling - Jacintha). Dad is not Jaquin Jacinto either.
>>> He'd be Joaquim Jacinto (or Jacintho for the old spelling). Unless you
>>> are trying to assign a surname to your Maria. Don't do it. She didn't have
>>> one. No mother's name is listed most likely because the American death
>>> is asking for the mother's maiden name, which she didn't have. Women didn't
>>> use surnames in the Azores from about the mid-1800s onwards (they started
>>> using them again around 1911).
>>>
>>> If Maria was born 5 Sep 1854, her baptism would be on image 55 or
>>> shortly after. These are the 2nd time period baptisms, so you'd find her
>>> parents' names on the top line. So she wasn't born 5 Sept 1854.
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_item1/P55.html
>>>
>>> You can't jump generations though. You need to go to your Joao and
>>> extract his parents and his grandparents. You will find out his grandfather
>>> is NOT Joaquim Jacinto. So take your Joao's baptism and the link from the
>>> previous email and try to extract the names. It doesn't matter if you get
>>> them on the right side of the family or not. You just need to train your
>>> eyes to find names. So let me know what you see and then I'll guide you
>>> through the rest.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 8:18 PM, LaRonda Zupp 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Cheri.

 Going on what you have provided me, I am cleaning up some errors. One
 thing *I know for sure* (via her death certificate I have access to)
 is the information for my Great-great grandmother:

 *Marie U. (Janinto) Linhares*

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Joaquim Linheras - 1813

You can keep on looking through the 1888 baptisms looking for another Joao
born to another Manuel Antonio Linhares.

That Marie U. Jacinto is a complete American thing. That's not her name.

The link I gave you on the basic genealogy...I have a section in
there...Who said it, when did they say it, and how did they know?
Basically, who, what, when, where, how. My dad was the source of a lot of
my stuff. So that was my "who." But I needed more. My dad got to the point
where he'd say to me (after telling me the story or anecdote), "And before
you ask, I was probably 8, 9, 10 years old, and it was grandpa who said
that." Problem 1) My dad was relaying that story 65 years after it
happened. A child's memory. Problem 2) THAT grandfather. That grandfather
was always embellishing and doing "entertaining" things in his stories so I
learned pretty quickly that his stories needed to be taken with a grain of
salt.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 8:56 PM, LaRonda Zupp  wrote:

> Ack! I misspelled it again! I'm so sorry. It was Jacinto, NOT Janinto.
>
> I totally understand what you're saying about the spelling of the names.
> Jacinto/Jacintho or Marie/Maria or Jaquin/Joaquin. I wondered the same.
>
> I do have the death certificate with those first spellings tho, but I get
> what you're saying. I didn't realize the death certificate wasn't as
> helpful.
>
> Thank you for the links. The first baptism link you gave me for Joao
> Linheras does show different parent names. But we have family photos and a
> different name for the mother of our John (Joao) Linhares. His mother is
> listed as Marie U. Jacinto.
>
> So do I have the right baptism link for My John (Joao) Linheras?
>
> Thank you for your patience.
>
> LaRonda
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 8:46 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> LaRonda,
>>
>> When you get into genealogy, you'll learn about primary and secondary
>> sources. I explain it a little bit in this link. https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar
>>
>> Primary sources: Something generated AT THE TIME of the event.
>> Secondary sources: Something generated AFTER the event.
>>
>> A death certificate is a primary source for the death ONLY. Anything you
>> glean off of the death certificate is a secondary source. You need 2, 3, or
>> sometimes more, secondary sources to agree with each other to figure out
>> what you are trying to prove.
>>
>> This ancestor, Marie U. Janinto Linhares...Janinto is not a name. Maybe
>> it's Jacinta (old spelling - Jacintha). Dad is not Jaquin Jacinto either.
>> He'd be Joaquim Jacinto (or Jacintho for the old spelling). Unless you
>> are trying to assign a surname to your Maria. Don't do it. She didn't have
>> one. No mother's name is listed most likely because the American death
>> is asking for the mother's maiden name, which she didn't have. Women didn't
>> use surnames in the Azores from about the mid-1800s onwards (they started
>> using them again around 1911).
>>
>> If Maria was born 5 Sep 1854, her baptism would be on image 55 or shortly
>> after. These are the 2nd time period baptisms, so you'd find her parents'
>> names on the top line. So she wasn't born 5 Sept 1854.
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
>> PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-
>> 1859_item1/P55.html
>>
>> You can't jump generations though. You need to go to your Joao and
>> extract his parents and his grandparents. You will find out his grandfather
>> is NOT Joaquim Jacinto. So take your Joao's baptism and the link from the
>> previous email and try to extract the names. It doesn't matter if you get
>> them on the right side of the family or not. You just need to train your
>> eyes to find names. So let me know what you see and then I'll guide you
>> through the rest.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 8:18 PM, LaRonda Zupp 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Cheri.
>>>
>>> Going on what you have provided me, I am cleaning up some errors. One
>>> thing *I know for sure* (via her death certificate I have access to) is
>>> the information for my Great-great grandmother:
>>>
>>> *Marie U. (Janinto) Linhares* (b. Sept. 5, 1854 - d. Sept. 30, 1942).
>>> She was born in Ribeira Quente, São Miguel, Azores. Her father is
>>> listed as *Jaquin Jacinto* on her death certificate. No mother's name
>>> listed. Her son is my Great-grandfather, *John (Joao) Linhares* (1888 -
>>> 1976)*. Marie U. (Jacinto) Linhares *immigrated from the Azores to
>>> America in 1903. She died in Dinuba, Tulare County, California, USA and
>>> is buried in Visalia, California.
>>>
>>>
>>> You suggested I go find the baptism information for the immigrants. Can
>>> you link me to a place where I might find  *Marie U. (Jacinto) Linhares* 
>>> baptism

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: AZORES-Genealogy] Rabo de Peixe Marriage

2018-07-31 Thread joaquin mendonca




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Joaquim Linheras - 1813

Ack! I misspelled it again! I'm so sorry. It was Jacinto, NOT Janinto.

I totally understand what you're saying about the spelling of the names.
Jacinto/Jacintho or Marie/Maria or Jaquin/Joaquin. I wondered the same.

I do have the death certificate with those first spellings tho, but I get
what you're saying. I didn't realize the death certificate wasn't as
helpful.

Thank you for the links. The first baptism link you gave me for Joao
Linheras does show different parent names. But we have family photos and a
different name for the mother of our John (Joao) Linhares. His mother is
listed as Marie U. Jacinto.

So do I have the right baptism link for My John (Joao) Linheras?

Thank you for your patience.

LaRonda




On Tue, Jul 31, 2018, 8:46 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> LaRonda,
>
> When you get into genealogy, you'll learn about primary and secondary
> sources. I explain it a little bit in this link. https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar
>
> Primary sources: Something generated AT THE TIME of the event.
> Secondary sources: Something generated AFTER the event.
>
> A death certificate is a primary source for the death ONLY. Anything you
> glean off of the death certificate is a secondary source. You need 2, 3, or
> sometimes more, secondary sources to agree with each other to figure out
> what you are trying to prove.
>
> This ancestor, Marie U. Janinto Linhares...Janinto is not a name. Maybe
> it's Jacinta (old spelling - Jacintha). Dad is not Jaquin Jacinto either.
> He'd be Joaquim Jacinto (or Jacintho for the old spelling). Unless you
> are trying to assign a surname to your Maria. Don't do it. She didn't have
> one. No mother's name is listed most likely because the American death is
> asking for the mother's maiden name, which she didn't have. Women didn't
> use surnames in the Azores from about the mid-1800s onwards (they started
> using them again around 1911).
>
> If Maria was born 5 Sep 1854, her baptism would be on image 55 or shortly
> after. These are the 2nd time period baptisms, so you'd find her parents'
> names on the top line. So she wasn't born 5 Sept 1854.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_item1/P55.html
>
> You can't jump generations though. You need to go to your Joao and extract
> his parents and his grandparents. You will find out his grandfather is NOT
> Joaquim Jacinto. So take your Joao's baptism and the link from the previous
> email and try to extract the names. It doesn't matter if you get them on
> the right side of the family or not. You just need to train your eyes to
> find names. So let me know what you see and then I'll guide you through the
> rest.
>
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 8:18 PM, LaRonda Zupp 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Cheri.
>>
>> Going on what you have provided me, I am cleaning up some errors. One
>> thing *I know for sure* (via her death certificate I have access to) is
>> the information for my Great-great grandmother:
>>
>> *Marie U. (Janinto) Linhares* (b. Sept. 5, 1854 - d. Sept. 30, 1942).
>> She was born in Ribeira Quente, São Miguel, Azores. Her father is listed
>> as *Jaquin Jacinto* on her death certificate. No mother's name listed.
>> Her son is my Great-grandfather, *John (Joao) Linhares* (1888 - 1976)*.
>> Marie U. (Jacinto) Linhares *immigrated from the Azores to America in
>> 1903. She died in Dinuba, Tulare County, California, USA and is buried
>> in Visalia, California.
>>
>>
>> You suggested I go find the baptism information for the immigrants. Can
>> you link me to a place where I might find  *Marie U. (Jacinto) Linhares* 
>> baptism
>> information so I can see if I can find parents and spouse names?
>>
>>
>> Grateful.
>>
>> LaRonda
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> LaRonda,
>>>
>>> We have a cluster of Ribeira Quente researchers on this list. I have
>>> lines that are in Ribeira Quente, so I have lots of resources for that
>>> freguesia.
>>>
>>> In your genealogy program, you need to correct the spelling of the
>>> island. It's Sao Miguel (São Miguel, if you want the diacritic). The island
>>> of San Miguel (San is Spanish) is one of the Channel islands off the coast
>>> of California. So one letter makes a huge difference!
>>>
>>> Manuel Antonio Linhares (b. c. 1856) was the son of Antonio Francisco
>>> Linhares and Jacinta de Jesus. His bride Maria Jose (b. c. 1857) was the
>>> daughter of Joaquim Jose and Ursula de Jesus. You don't have the right
>>> people.
>>>
>>> Go back to the immigrant and get his baptism. It's here:
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-1889/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-1889_item1/P6.html
>>>
>>> Then use the guide on the Azores GenWeb to extract the names. You are in
>>> the 3rd time period with the baptisms.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Records listing addresses; How to create a family tree

2018-07-31 Thread Gordon soares

Cheri
I’m a Mac user. I’ll hope to connect to a Legacy person to know what sources I 
can search through using it. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 31, 2018, at 9:22 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Gordon S & Pam H,
> 
> Gordon - I'm not a Legacy user. There are many on this list who are, so they 
> can tell you what Legacy Family Tree is compatible with.
> 
> Pam H -  I'm not a Mac user. Kathy Cardoza is and she's used various 
> genealogy programs. The genealogy program designed for Macs is Reunion by 
> LeisterPro. It's kind of expensive. If you run BootCamp, VMFusion,  
> Parallels, or one of those other platforms on your Mac, you can install any 
> Windows program and run it. Kathy can explain better.
> 
> Cheri
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 7:36 PM, Pete Jollymour <3apet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thank you 
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>>> On Jul 31, 2018, at 4:52 PM, Gordon soares  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Cheri
>>> If I get Legacy will I be able to do searches? I quit Ancestry and now 
>>> every time I get a “possible match” I’m blocked from getting the info 
>>> unless I rejoin Ancestry. It’s too expensive and too able to be hijacked in 
>>> my tree. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 31, 2018, at 4:48 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

 Pete J,

 It depends on what you mean by "old." Some priests recorded the house 
 number (if it existed) and some did not. Some records (whether Sao Miguel 
 or other islands) clearly state "in a house without a number." I find the 
 name of the street more often than a house number. As I work back in time, 
 I don't always find the street.

 So basically you are asking how to build a family tree. Get yourself a 
 good genealogy program. That's a program that resides on your computer. 
 Take a look at Legacy Family Tree (www.legacyfamilytree.com). Their 
 Standard Edition is free. Look at RootsMagic (www.rootsmagic.com). Their 
 Essentials is free. If you like them well enough, they are about $30 USD 
 to purchase (unlocks other features and adds about 100 bells and 
 whistles). Cloud based sites (Ancestry.com, MyHeritage, Geni.com, etc) are 
 not really genealogy programs. You won't be able to determine 
 relationships between people. If you want to put your work out there on 
 the Internet, you may be able to sync your program to one of the cloud 
 based sites or you can just Gedcom it over.

 Basically start with your own family and enter what you know. If you have 
 birth, death, marriage documents to back it up, put that down in the 
 program too. Then collect the siblings of your couple. When I started 
 genealogy, I was told that the proper way was to collect all the children 
 (with spouses) and grandchildren (with spouses) of your ancestral couple. 
 That was rather tedious before massive databases like Ancestry. Many 
 times, I now go even further than the grandchildren. 

 When you hit your immigrant ancestor, you'll probably be in the 3rd time 
 period. Those baptisms give the grandparents. Here's a how-to so you can 
 get started: https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar 

 Good luck,

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
 Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> Repost for Pete Jollymour, (3apeterj  at gmail.com
> 
> Hi all
> I am very new to this research.
> My questions are:
> 
> Do the old São Miguel records list addresses? 
> 
> How do all these separate family trees become patched together to 
> determine broader relationships?
> 
> Thanks for any consideration.
> 
> Pete Jollymour (via de Amaral, deJesus, de Araujo, Tavares, Cabral, 
> etc.)
> 
> Pete
> 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Joaquim Linheras - 1813

LaRonda,

When you get into genealogy, you'll learn about primary and secondary
sources. I explain it a little bit in this link. https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar

Primary sources: Something generated AT THE TIME of the event.
Secondary sources: Something generated AFTER the event.

A death certificate is a primary source for the death ONLY. Anything you
glean off of the death certificate is a secondary source. You need 2, 3, or
sometimes more, secondary sources to agree with each other to figure out
what you are trying to prove.

This ancestor, Marie U. Janinto Linhares...Janinto is not a name. Maybe
it's Jacinta (old spelling - Jacintha). Dad is not Jaquin Jacinto either.
He'd be Joaquim Jacinto (or Jacintho for the old spelling). Unless you are
trying to assign a surname to your Maria. Don't do it. She didn't have one. No
mother's name is listed most likely because the American death is asking
for the mother's maiden name, which she didn't have. Women didn't use
surnames in the Azores from about the mid-1800s onwards (they started using
them again around 1911).

If Maria was born 5 Sep 1854, her baptism would be on image 55 or shortly
after. These are the 2nd time period baptisms, so you'd find her parents'
names on the top line. So she wasn't born 5 Sept 1854.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_item1/P55.html

You can't jump generations though. You need to go to your Joao and extract
his parents and his grandparents. You will find out his grandfather is NOT
Joaquim Jacinto. So take your Joao's baptism and the link from the previous
email and try to extract the names. It doesn't matter if you get them on
the right side of the family or not. You just need to train your eyes to
find names. So let me know what you see and then I'll guide you through the
rest.

Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 8:18 PM, LaRonda Zupp  wrote:

> Hi Cheri.
>
> Going on what you have provided me, I am cleaning up some errors. One
> thing *I know for sure* (via her death certificate I have access to) is
> the information for my Great-great grandmother:
>
> *Marie U. (Janinto) Linhares* (b. Sept. 5, 1854 - d. Sept. 30, 1942). She
> was born in Ribeira Quente, São Miguel, Azores. Her father is listed as 
> *Jaquin
> Jacinto* on her death certificate. No mother's name listed. Her son is my
> Great-grandfather, *John (Joao) Linhares* (1888 - 1976)*. Marie U.
> (Jacinto) Linhares *immigrated from the Azores to America in 1903. She
> died in Dinuba, Tulare County, California, USA and is buried in Visalia,
> California.
>
>
> You suggested I go find the baptism information for the immigrants. Can
> you link me to a place where I might find  *Marie U. (Jacinto) Linhares* 
> baptism
> information so I can see if I can find parents and spouse names?
>
>
> Grateful.
>
> LaRonda
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> LaRonda,
>>
>> We have a cluster of Ribeira Quente researchers on this list. I have
>> lines that are in Ribeira Quente, so I have lots of resources for that
>> freguesia.
>>
>> In your genealogy program, you need to correct the spelling of the
>> island. It's Sao Miguel (São Miguel, if you want the diacritic). The island
>> of San Miguel (San is Spanish) is one of the Channel islands off the coast
>> of California. So one letter makes a huge difference!
>>
>> Manuel Antonio Linhares (b. c. 1856) was the son of Antonio Francisco
>> Linhares and Jacinta de Jesus. His bride Maria Jose (b. c. 1857) was the
>> daughter of Joaquim Jose and Ursula de Jesus. You don't have the right
>> people.
>>
>> Go back to the immigrant and get his baptism. It's here:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
>> RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-1889/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-1889_item1/P6.html
>>
>> Then use the guide on the Azores GenWeb to extract the names. You are in
>> the 3rd time period with the baptisms. https://goo.gl/4Tzc2i
>>
>> Once you get Joao's parents and grandparents, you will see where you made
>> a wrong turn.
>>
>> Also, get your genealogy in a computer program and have it run a report.
>> The numbering system that is used by the genealogy program and genealogists
>> is what we are trained to use. It'll make it easier on everyone :)
>> Good luck, Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Records listing addresses; How to create a family tree

Gordon S & Pam H,

Gordon - I'm not a Legacy user. There are many on this list who are, so
they can tell you what Legacy Family Tree is compatible with.

Pam H -  I'm not a Mac user. Kathy Cardoza is and she's used various
genealogy programs. The genealogy program designed for Macs is Reunion by
LeisterPro. It's kind of expensive. If you run BootCamp, VMFusion,
Parallels, or one of those other platforms on your Mac, you can install any
Windows program and run it. Kathy can explain better.

Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 7:36 PM, Pete Jollymour <3apet...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you
>
> Pete
>
> On Jul 31, 2018, at 4:52 PM, Gordon soares  wrote:
>
> Cheri
> If I get Legacy will I be able to do searches? I quit Ancestry and now
> every time I get a “possible match” I’m blocked from getting the info
> unless I rejoin Ancestry. It’s too expensive and too able to be hijacked in
> my tree.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 31, 2018, at 4:48 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Pete J,
>
> It depends on what you mean by "old." Some priests recorded the house
> number (if it existed) and some did not. Some records (whether Sao Miguel
> or other islands) clearly state "in a house without a number." I find the
> name of the street more often than a house number. As I work back in time,
> I don't always find the street.
>
> So basically you are asking how to build a family tree. Get yourself a
> good genealogy program. That's a program that resides on your computer.
> Take a look at Legacy Family Tree (www.legacyfamilytree.com). Their
> Standard Edition is free. Look at RootsMagic (www.rootsmagic.com). Their
> Essentials is free. If you like them well enough, they are about $30 USD to
> purchase (unlocks other features and adds about 100 bells and whistles).
> Cloud based sites (Ancestry.com, MyHeritage, Geni.com, etc) are not
> really genealogy programs. You won't be able to determine relationships
> between people. If you want to put your work out there on the Internet, you
> may be able to sync your program to one of the cloud based sites or you can
> just Gedcom it over.
>
> Basically start with your own family and enter what you know. If you have
> birth, death, marriage documents to back it up, put that down in the
> program too. Then collect the siblings of your couple. When I started
> genealogy, I was told that the proper way was to collect all the children
> (with spouses) and grandchildren (with spouses) of your ancestral couple.
> That was rather tedious before massive databases like Ancestry. Many times,
> I now go even further than the grandchildren.
>
> When you hit your immigrant ancestor, you'll probably be in the 3rd time
> period. Those baptisms give the grandparents. Here's a how-to so you can
> get started: https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar
>
> Good luck,
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Repost for Pete Jollymour, (3apeterj  at gmail.com
>>
>> Hi all
>> I am very new to this research.
>> My questions are:
>>
>> Do the old São Miguel records list addresses?
>>
>> How do all these separate family trees become patched together to
>> determine broader relationships?
>>
>> Thanks for any consideration.
>>
>> Pete Jollymour (via de Amaral, deJesus, de Araujo, Tavares, Cabral,
>> etc.)
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rabo de Peixe Marriage

2018-07-31 Thread Sean Andrade

Thanks!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Joaquim Linheras - 1813

Hi Cheri.

Going on what you have provided me, I am cleaning up some errors. One thing *I
know for sure* (via her death certificate I have access to) is the
information for my Great-great grandmother:

*Marie U. (Janinto) Linhares* (b. Sept. 5, 1854 - d. Sept. 30, 1942). She
was born in Ribeira Quente, São Miguel, Azores. Her father is listed as *Jaquin
Jacinto* on her death certificate. No mother's name listed. Her son is my
Great-grandfather, *John (Joao) Linhares* (1888 - 1976)*. Marie U.
(Jacinto) Linhares *immigrated from the Azores to America in 1903. She died
in Dinuba, Tulare County, California, USA and is buried in Visalia,
California.

You suggested I go find the baptism information for the immigrants. Can you
link me to a place where I might find  *Marie U. (Jacinto) Linhares* baptism
information so I can see if I can find parents and spouse names?

Grateful.

LaRonda

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> LaRonda,
>
> We have a cluster of Ribeira Quente researchers on this list. I have lines
> that are in Ribeira Quente, so I have lots of resources for that freguesia.
>
> In your genealogy program, you need to correct the spelling of the island.
> It's Sao Miguel (São Miguel, if you want the diacritic). The island of San
> Miguel (San is Spanish) is one of the Channel islands off the coast of
> California. So one letter makes a huge difference!
>
> Manuel Antonio Linhares (b. c. 1856) was the son of Antonio Francisco
> Linhares and Jacinta de Jesus. His bride Maria Jose (b. c. 1857) was the
> daughter of Joaquim Jose and Ursula de Jesus. You don't have the right
> people.
>
> Go back to the immigrant and get his baptism. It's here:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-1889/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-
> 1889_item1/P6.html
>
> Then use the guide on the Azores GenWeb to extract the names. You are in
> the 3rd time period with the baptisms. https://goo.gl/4Tzc2i
>
> Once you get Joao's parents and grandparents, you will see where you made
> a wrong turn.
>
> Also, get your genealogy in a computer program and have it run a report.
> The numbering system that is used by the genealogy program and genealogists
> is what we are trained to use. It'll make it easier on everyone :)
> Good luck, Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rabo de Peixe Marriage

Sean A,

They are from Rabo de Peixe. After the parents' names it says, "...todos
naturaes, baptisadas, e moradores d'esta referida freguesia" (I
probably have typos in there). "...all natives, baptized, and living in
this referenced freguesia..."

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 6:21 PM, Sean Andrade 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> For the marriage record of Manuel and Francisca starting on the bottom
> right: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
> digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1870-1879/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-
> C-1870-1879_item1/P67.html
>
> Can anyone make out where Francisca's parents are from?
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Records listing addresses; How to create a family tree

2018-07-31 Thread Pete Jollymour

Thank you 

Pete

> On Jul 31, 2018, at 4:52 PM, Gordon soares  wrote:
> 
> Cheri
> If I get Legacy will I be able to do searches? I quit Ancestry and now every 
> time I get a “possible match” I’m blocked from getting the info unless I 
> rejoin Ancestry. It’s too expensive and too able to be hijacked in my tree. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 31, 2018, at 4:48 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> 
>> Pete J,
>> 
>> It depends on what you mean by "old." Some priests recorded the house number 
>> (if it existed) and some did not. Some records (whether Sao Miguel or other 
>> islands) clearly state "in a house without a number." I find the name of the 
>> street more often than a house number. As I work back in time, I don't 
>> always find the street.
>> 
>> So basically you are asking how to build a family tree. Get yourself a good 
>> genealogy program. That's a program that resides on your computer. Take a 
>> look at Legacy Family Tree (www.legacyfamilytree.com). Their Standard 
>> Edition is free. Look at RootsMagic (www.rootsmagic.com). Their Essentials 
>> is free. If you like them well enough, they are about $30 USD to purchase 
>> (unlocks other features and adds about 100 bells and whistles). Cloud based 
>> sites (Ancestry.com, MyHeritage, Geni.com, etc) are not really genealogy 
>> programs. You won't be able to determine relationships between people. If 
>> you want to put your work out there on the Internet, you may be able to sync 
>> your program to one of the cloud based sites or you can just Gedcom it over.
>> 
>> Basically start with your own family and enter what you know. If you have 
>> birth, death, marriage documents to back it up, put that down in the program 
>> too. Then collect the siblings of your couple. When I started genealogy, I 
>> was told that the proper way was to collect all the children (with spouses) 
>> and grandchildren (with spouses) of your ancestral couple. That was rather 
>> tedious before massive databases like Ancestry. Many times, I now go even 
>> further than the grandchildren. 
>> 
>> When you hit your immigrant ancestor, you'll probably be in the 3rd time 
>> period. Those baptisms give the grandparents. Here's a how-to so you can get 
>> started: https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar 
>> 
>> Good luck,
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>> Repost for Pete Jollymour, (3apeterj  at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> I am very new to this research.
>>> My questions are:
>>> 
>>> Do the old São Miguel records list addresses? 
>>> 
>>> How do all these separate family trees become patched together to determine 
>>> broader relationships?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any consideration.
>>> 
>>> Pete Jollymour (via de Amaral, deJesus, de Araujo, Tavares, Cabral, 
>>> etc.)
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Records listing addresses; How to create a family tree

2018-07-31 Thread Pamela Hand

Hi Cheri
It appears legacyfamilytree.com not compatible with apple. So have you had
any experience with www.branchesgenealogy.com? I am considering this, but
would rootsmagic.com be a better option? I am researching from Australia as
my Azorean ancestor ended up here via a couple of Pacific Ocean shipwrecks.
Really enjoying the group.
Thanks for all the great information.
Pam
(Flores/Corvo)

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 at 09:52, Gordon soares  wrote:

> Cheri
> If I get Legacy will I be able to do searches? I quit Ancestry and now
> every time I get a “possible match” I’m blocked from getting the info
> unless I rejoin Ancestry. It’s too expensive and too able to be hijacked in
> my tree.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 31, 2018, at 4:48 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Pete J,
>
> It depends on what you mean by "old." Some priests recorded the house
> number (if it existed) and some did not. Some records (whether Sao Miguel
> or other islands) clearly state "in a house without a number." I find the
> name of the street more often than a house number. As I work back in time,
> I don't always find the street.
>
> So basically you are asking how to build a family tree. Get yourself a
> good genealogy program. That's a program that resides on your computer.
> Take a look at Legacy Family Tree (www.legacyfamilytree.com). Their
> Standard Edition is free. Look at RootsMagic (www.rootsmagic.com). Their
> Essentials is free. If you like them well enough, they are about $30 USD to
> purchase (unlocks other features and adds about 100 bells and whistles).
> Cloud based sites (Ancestry.com, MyHeritage, Geni.com, etc) are not
> really genealogy programs. You won't be able to determine relationships
> between people. If you want to put your work out there on the Internet, you
> may be able to sync your program to one of the cloud based sites or you can
> just Gedcom it over.
>
> Basically start with your own family and enter what you know. If you have
> birth, death, marriage documents to back it up, put that down in the
> program too. Then collect the siblings of your couple. When I started
> genealogy, I was told that the proper way was to collect all the children
> (with spouses) and grandchildren (with spouses) of your ancestral couple.
> That was rather tedious before massive databases like Ancestry. Many times,
> I now go even further than the grandchildren.
>
> When you hit your immigrant ancestor, you'll probably be in the 3rd time
> period. Those baptisms give the grandparents. Here's a how-to so you can
> get started: https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar
>
> Good luck,
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Repost for Pete Jollymour, (3apeterj  at gmail.com
>>
>> Hi all
>> I am very new to this research.
>> My questions are:
>>
>> Do the old São Miguel records list addresses?
>>
>> How do all these separate family trees become patched together to
>> determine broader relationships?
>>
>> Thanks for any consideration.
>>
>> Pete Jollymour (via de Amaral, deJesus, de Araujo, Tavares, Cabral,
>> etc.)
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Joaquim Linheras - 1813

Cheri, I appreciate your guidance. I'm an amateur at this, so this really
helps me. I am grateful! I'll get to work on these links.

Obrigada! Thank you!

LaRonda

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 2:41 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> LaRonda,
>
> We have a cluster of Ribeira Quente researchers on this list. I have lines
> that are in Ribeira Quente, so I have lots of resources for that freguesia.
>
> In your genealogy program, you need to correct the spelling of the island.
> It's Sao Miguel (São Miguel, if you want the diacritic). The island of San
> Miguel (San is Spanish) is one of the Channel islands off the coast of
> California. So one letter makes a huge difference!
>
> Manuel Antonio Linhares (b. c. 1856) was the son of Antonio Francisco
> Linhares and Jacinta de Jesus. His bride Maria Jose (b. c. 1857) was the
> daughter of Joaquim Jose and Ursula de Jesus. You don't have the right
> people.
>
> Go back to the immigrant and get his baptism. It's here:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-1889/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-
> 1889_item1/P6.html
>
> Then use the guide on the Azores GenWeb to extract the names. You are in
> the 3rd time period with the baptisms. https://goo.gl/4Tzc2i
>
> Once you get Joao's parents and grandparents, you will see where you made
> a wrong turn.
>
> Also, get your genealogy in a computer program and have it run a report.
> The numbering system that is used by the genealogy program and genealogists
> is what we are trained to use. It'll make it easier on everyone :)
> Good luck, Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation

2018-07-31 Thread linda

Or on second thought, maybe not...

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation

2018-07-31 Thread linda

I think the mark is a tilde rather than a hyphen:

... Ma??ao [~ above the a]
Junior...

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Rabo de Peixe Marriage

2018-07-31 Thread Sean Andrade

Hi,

For the marriage record of Manuel and Francisca starting on the bottom 
right: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1870-1879/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1870-1879_item1/P67.html

Can anyone make out where Francisca's parents are from?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Records listing addresses; How to create a family tree

2018-07-31 Thread Gordon soares

Cheri
If I get Legacy will I be able to do searches? I quit Ancestry and now every 
time I get a “possible match” I’m blocked from getting the info unless I rejoin 
Ancestry. It’s too expensive and too able to be hijacked in my tree. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 31, 2018, at 4:48 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Pete J,
> 
> It depends on what you mean by "old." Some priests recorded the house number 
> (if it existed) and some did not. Some records (whether Sao Miguel or other 
> islands) clearly state "in a house without a number." I find the name of the 
> street more often than a house number. As I work back in time, I don't always 
> find the street.
> 
> So basically you are asking how to build a family tree. Get yourself a good 
> genealogy program. That's a program that resides on your computer. Take a 
> look at Legacy Family Tree (www.legacyfamilytree.com). Their Standard Edition 
> is free. Look at RootsMagic (www.rootsmagic.com). Their Essentials is free. 
> If you like them well enough, they are about $30 USD to purchase (unlocks 
> other features and adds about 100 bells and whistles). Cloud based sites 
> (Ancestry.com, MyHeritage, Geni.com, etc) are not really genealogy programs. 
> You won't be able to determine relationships between people. If you want to 
> put your work out there on the Internet, you may be able to sync your program 
> to one of the cloud based sites or you can just Gedcom it over.
> 
> Basically start with your own family and enter what you know. If you have 
> birth, death, marriage documents to back it up, put that down in the program 
> too. Then collect the siblings of your couple. When I started genealogy, I 
> was told that the proper way was to collect all the children (with spouses) 
> and grandchildren (with spouses) of your ancestral couple. That was rather 
> tedious before massive databases like Ancestry. Many times, I now go even 
> further than the grandchildren. 
> 
> When you hit your immigrant ancestor, you'll probably be in the 3rd time 
> period. Those baptisms give the grandparents. Here's a how-to so you can get 
> started: https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar 
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> Repost for Pete Jollymour, (3apeterj  at gmail.com
>> 
>> Hi all
>> I am very new to this research.
>> My questions are:
>> 
>> Do the old São Miguel records list addresses? 
>> 
>> How do all these separate family trees become patched together to determine 
>> broader relationships?
>> 
>> Thanks for any consideration.
>> 
>> Pete Jollymour (via de Amaral, deJesus, de Araujo, Tavares, Cabral, etc.)
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Records listing addresses; How to create a family tree

Pete J,

It depends on what you mean by "old." Some priests recorded the house
number (if it existed) and some did not. Some records (whether Sao Miguel
or other islands) clearly state "in a house without a number." I find the
name of the street more often than a house number. As I work back in time,
I don't always find the street.

So basically you are asking how to build a family tree. Get yourself a good
genealogy program. That's a program that resides on your computer. Take a
look at Legacy Family Tree (www.legacyfamilytree.com). Their Standard
Edition is free. Look at RootsMagic (www.rootsmagic.com). Their Essentials
is free. If you like them well enough, they are about $30 USD to purchase
(unlocks other features and adds about 100 bells and whistles). Cloud based
sites (Ancestry.com, MyHeritage, Geni.com, etc) are not really genealogy
programs. You won't be able to determine relationships between people. If
you want to put your work out there on the Internet, you may be able to
sync your program to one of the cloud based sites or you can just Gedcom it
over.

Basically start with your own family and enter what you know. If you have
birth, death, marriage documents to back it up, put that down in the
program too. Then collect the siblings of your couple. When I started
genealogy, I was told that the proper way was to collect all the children
(with spouses) and grandchildren (with spouses) of your ancestral couple.
That was rather tedious before massive databases like Ancestry. Many times,
I now go even further than the grandchildren.

When you hit your immigrant ancestor, you'll probably be in the 3rd time
period. Those baptisms give the grandparents. Here's a how-to so you can
get started: https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar

Good luck,

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Repost for Pete Jollymour, (3apeterj  at gmail.com
>
> Hi all
> I am very new to this research.
> My questions are:
>
> Do the old São Miguel records list addresses?
>
> How do all these separate family trees become patched together to
> determine broader relationships?
>
> Thanks for any consideration.
>
> Pete Jollymour (via de Amaral, deJesus, de Araujo, Tavares, Cabral,
> etc.)
>
> Pete
>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Records listing addresses; How to create a family tree

Repost for Pete Jollymour, (3apeterj  at gmail.com

Hi all
I am very new to this research.
My questions are:

Do the old São Miguel records list addresses?

How do all these separate family trees become patched together to determine
broader relationships?

Thanks for any consideration.

Pete Jollymour (via de Amaral, deJesus, de Araujo, Tavares, Cabral,
etc.)

Pete

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation

2018-07-31 Thread 'Bob's AOL Accounts' via Azores Genealogy

Bob C,

I'm not sure of the word after the father's name. It is capitalized. I
don't know if it's an alcunha or his occupation. Maybe someone else will
get it or another record will have it (and NOT hyphenated).

You are correct on Rosa Candida. She is from somewhere else. "...natural da
Freguesia de Nossa Senhora da Luz da ilha da Graciosa, deste Diocese..."

So "...native of the freguesia of Nossa Senhora da Luz of the island of
Graciosa, of this Diocese"  Go back and take a look. I'm sure you'll
see it now. You're making great progress! Keep up the good work.

Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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> Hi I am having some problem with the translation for the attach document.
> This is the death of Rosa daughter of Antonio Machado Evangelho (having
> troubles with the name after the Evangelho) and Rosa Candida.  It looks
> like one of the is the another Island, any help would be great.
>
>
>
> Thanks Bob Camacho
>
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-
> AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1890-1899_item1/P163.html
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation

Hi I am having some problem with the translation for the attach document.  This 
is the death of Rosa daughter of Antonio Machado Evangelho (having troubles 
with the name after the Evangelho) and Rosa Candida.  It looks like one of the 
is the another Island, any help would be great.

Thanks Bob Camacho


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1890-1899_item1/P163.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Joaquim Linheras - 1813

LaRonda,

We have a cluster of Ribeira Quente researchers on this list. I have lines
that are in Ribeira Quente, so I have lots of resources for that freguesia.

In your genealogy program, you need to correct the spelling of the island.
It's Sao Miguel (São Miguel, if you want the diacritic). The island of San
Miguel (San is Spanish) is one of the Channel islands off the coast of
California. So one letter makes a huge difference!

Manuel Antonio Linhares (b. c. 1856) was the son of Antonio Francisco
Linhares and Jacinta de Jesus. His bride Maria Jose (b. c. 1857) was the
daughter of Joaquim Jose and Ursula de Jesus. You don't have the right
people.

Go back to the immigrant and get his baptism. It's here:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-1889/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1888-1889_item1/P6.html

Then use the guide on the Azores GenWeb to extract the names. You are in
the 3rd time period with the baptisms. https://goo.gl/4Tzc2i

Once you get Joao's parents and grandparents, you will see where you made a
wrong turn.

Also, get your genealogy in a computer program and have it run a report.
The numbering system that is used by the genealogy program and genealogists
is what we are trained to use. It'll make it easier on everyone :)
Good luck, Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Joaquim Linheras - 1813

I made another couple of typos. That should be

*John (Joao) Linhares* , son of
*5a. Marie U. (Jacinto)* ( 1863 - 1942) (The U. might stand for Ursel or
Uzelle) and *5b. **Manuel Antonio Linhares*  (1858 - 1932)

Not Marie U. (Janinto)

And

*8a. **Maria (Jacinta)* (born in Pico, Azores)

Not  Maria (Janita)

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 2:09 PM, LaRonda Zupp  wrote:

> Hi Cheri.
>
> I misspelled Linhares when
> I t
> yped it the second time. My family name is
> *Linhares* (not Linheras). My error.
>
> I do have islands and villages.
> See below. I have a few questions at the end I'm hoping someone can help
> with.
> JR,
>
> Here is my *Linhares *family line starting with me:
>
> *1. LaRonda (Cash) Zupp *- me, daughter of
> *2a. Vanaye (Ransom)* and *2b.**Ellie LaRon Cash*
>
> *Vanaye (Ransom), *daughter of
> *3a. Maybel Dorothy (Linhares)* and *3b. **Howard Delton Ransom*
>
> *Maybel Dorothy (Linhares), *daughter of
> *4a. Mildred Florence (Simas) *(1898 - 1979) and *4b. **John (Joao)
> Linhares *(1888 - 1976) He was the first of our Portuguese family
> immigrants from the Azores to America. He was born in
> Ribeira Quente, San Miguel, Azores.
>  He died in Morro Bay, California, USA.) *John (Joao) Linhares *divorced 
> *Mildred
> Florence (Simas) *in 1927 and later married *4c.* *Alice Eleonor
> (Pederson)* (1909 - 1983).
>
> *John (Joao) Linhares* , son of
> *5a. Marie U. (Janinto)* ( 1863 - 1942) (The U. might stand for Ursel or
> Uzelle) and *5b. **Manuel Antonio Linhares*  (1858 - 1932). Manuel
> Antonio Linhares was born in  Ribeira Quente, San Miguel, Azores. He died
> in Goshen, Tulare, California, USA and is buried in Visalia, California.
> Marie U. (Jacinto) was also born in Ribeira Quente, San Miguel, Azores.
> She immigrated to America in 1903. She died in Dinuba, Tulare, California,
> USA and is buried in Visalia, California.
>
> *Manuel Antonio Linhares, *son of
> *6a. Maria Candida (Medeiros) *(born in Pooacao San Miguel, Azores) and
> *6b. **Francisco Joaquim Linhares *(b. Feb. 13, 1813 in Ribeira Quente, San
> Miguel, Azores.) Francisco Joaquim married Maria Candida (Medeiros) in the 
> church
> of Mae de Deus, in Vila da Povoacao, San Miguel, Azores on Nov. 25,1839.
>
> --- The above is as far as I can confirm with sources and family history.
> --- I am looking to see what I can confirm father back
>
> JR, I see you have listed *Francisco Joaquim Linhares* as the son of
> *7a. * *Catarina Rosa* and *7b.* *Jose do Amaral Linhares*
> Sources?
>
> You have listed* Catarina Rosa *as the daughter of
> *8a. * *Maria Jacinta *and* 8b.* *Manuel Furtado,* both natives of Vila
> da, Povoacao.
> Sources?
>
> * For *6a.* *Maria Candida (Medeiros)*, one of my Medeiros family
> relatives has her listed as the daughter of *7c*. *Manual Garcia Medeiros*,
> (born in Faial, Azores) rather than the daughter of *8b.* *Manuel Furtado
> *of* Vila da Povoacao*. However, my relative may have this wrong since
> the family seems to be from the island of San Miguel rather than Faial .
>
> ** 8a. **Maria (Janita)* (born in Pico, Azores) is listed in our family
> records as the mother of *6a.* *Maria Candida (Medeiros)*. I don't know
> if she is from Pico Island in the Azores or from the Civil Parish, Pico da
> Pedra, on San Miguel.
>
> So I have some discrepancies I'm trying to figure out.
>
> *Questions:*
>
> *> Who is the daughter of 8b. Manual Furtado? 7a. Catarina Rosa or 6a.
> Maria Candida (Medeiros)? *
>
> *> Do 6a. Maria Candida Medeiros and 7a. Catarina Rosa both have mother's
> named Maria Jacinta? Or is this the same person mixed up?*
>
> *> Is 8a. Maria Jacinta from Pico Island in the Azores or from the Civil
> Parish, Pico da Pedra, on San Miguel?*
>
> Any further resources, dates of birth, baptism, marriage, death or
> residence would be so helpful!
>
> Thank you.
>
> LaRonda
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 4:02 PM, JR  wrote:
>
>> Who is your ancestor, the one under said Francisco Joaquim Linhares?
>>
>> Francisco Joaquim Linhares married Maria Candida [or Maria Ricarda de
>> Medeiros] in church of Mae de Deus, Povoacao, 25-Nov-1839; He is the son of
>> Jose do Amaral Linhares and Catarina Rosa; She is daughter of Manuel
>> Furtado and Maria Jacinta, natives of Mae de Deus, Povoacao.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 6:09:12 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> LaRonda,
>>>
>>> The modern Portuguese spelling is Linhares. That should be used in your
>>> genealogy program. You can make a notation of how you found it spelled in
>>> the various documents by entering that into the note or memo field.
>>>
>>> To do Portuguese research (well, anywhere in Europe, actually), you need
>>> the village. If you don't have an island yet, you are not ready to research
>>> the Azores yet. For many sources to try to figure out at least an island
>>> for your immigrant ancestor, look at this link from the Azores GenWeb here:
>>>  https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Joaquim Linheras - 1813

Hi Cheri.

I misspelled Linhares when
I t
yped it the second time. My family name is
*Linhares* (not Linheras). My error.

I do have islands and villages.
See below. I have a few questions at the end I'm hoping someone can help
with.
JR,

Here is my *Linhares *family line starting with me:

*1. LaRonda (Cash) Zupp *- me, daughter of
*2a. Vanaye (Ransom)* and *2b.**Ellie LaRon Cash*

*Vanaye (Ransom), *daughter of
*3a. Maybel Dorothy (Linhares)* and *3b. **Howard Delton Ransom*

*Maybel Dorothy (Linhares), *daughter of
*4a. Mildred Florence (Simas) *(1898 - 1979) and *4b. **John (Joao)
Linhares *(1888 - 1976) He was the first of our Portuguese family
immigrants from the Azores to America. He was born in
Ribeira Quente, San Miguel, Azores.
 He died in Morro Bay, California, USA.) *John (Joao) Linhares
*divorced *Mildred
Florence (Simas) *in 1927 and later married *4c.* *Alice Eleonor
(Pederson)* (1909
- 1983).

*John (Joao) Linhares* , son of
*5a. Marie U. (Janinto)* ( 1863 - 1942) (The U. might stand for Ursel or
Uzelle) and *5b. **Manuel Antonio Linhares*  (1858 - 1932). Manuel Antonio
Linhares was born in  Ribeira Quente, San Miguel, Azores. He died in
Goshen, Tulare, California, USA and is buried in Visalia, California. Marie
U. (Jacinto) was also born in Ribeira Quente, San Miguel, Azores. She
immigrated to America in 1903. She died in Dinuba, Tulare, California, USA
and is buried in Visalia, California.

*Manuel Antonio Linhares, *son of
*6a. Maria Candida (Medeiros) *(born in Pooacao San Miguel, Azores) and
*6b. **Francisco Joaquim Linhares *(b. Feb. 13, 1813 in Ribeira Quente, San
Miguel, Azores.) Francisco Joaquim married Maria Candida (Medeiros) in
the church
of Mae de Deus, in Vila da Povoacao, San Miguel, Azores on Nov. 25,1839.

--- The above is as far as I can confirm with sources and family history.
--- I am looking to see what I can confirm father back

JR, I see you have listed *Francisco Joaquim Linhares* as the son of
*7a. * *Catarina Rosa* and *7b.* *Jose do Amaral Linhares*
Sources?

You have listed* Catarina Rosa *as the daughter of
*8a. * *Maria Jacinta *and* 8b.* *Manuel Furtado,* both natives of Vila da,
Povoacao.
Sources?

* For *6a.* *Maria Candida (Medeiros)*, one of my Medeiros family relatives
has her listed as the daughter of *7c*. *Manual Garcia Medeiros*, (born in
Faial, Azores) rather than the daughter of *8b.* *Manuel Furtado *of* Vila
da Povoacao*. However, my relative may have this wrong since the family
seems to be from the island of San Miguel rather than Faial .

** 8a. **Maria (Janita)* (born in Pico, Azores) is listed in our family
records as the mother of *6a.* *Maria Candida (Medeiros)*. I don't know if
she is from Pico Island in the Azores or from the Civil Parish, Pico da
Pedra, on San Miguel.

So I have some discrepancies I'm trying to figure out.

*Questions:*

*> Who is the daughter of 8b. Manual Furtado? 7a. Catarina Rosa or 6a.
Maria Candida (Medeiros)? *

*> Do 6a. Maria Candida Medeiros and 7a. Catarina Rosa both have mother's
named Maria Jacinta? Or is this the same person mixed up?*

*> Is 8a. Maria Jacinta from Pico Island in the Azores or from the Civil
Parish, Pico da Pedra, on San Miguel?*

Any further resources, dates of birth, baptism, marriage, death or
residence would be so helpful!

Thank you.

LaRonda

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 4:02 PM, JR  wrote:

> Who is your ancestor, the one under said Francisco Joaquim Linhares?
>
> Francisco Joaquim Linhares married Maria Candida [or Maria Ricarda de
> Medeiros] in church of Mae de Deus, Povoacao, 25-Nov-1839; He is the son of
> Jose do Amaral Linhares and Catarina Rosa; She is daughter of Manuel
> Furtado and Maria Jacinta, natives of Mae de Deus, Povoacao.
>
> JR
>
> On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 6:09:12 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> LaRonda,
>>
>> The modern Portuguese spelling is Linhares. That should be used in your
>> genealogy program. You can make a notation of how you found it spelled in
>> the various documents by entering that into the note or memo field.
>>
>> To do Portuguese research (well, anywhere in Europe, actually), you need
>> the village. If you don't have an island yet, you are not ready to research
>> the Azores yet. For many sources to try to figure out at least an island
>> for your immigrant ancestor, look at this link from the Azores GenWeb here:
>>  https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 7:30 PM, LaRonda Zupp  wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings. I am an Azores Linhares decendent looking for information
>>> on Francisco Joaquim Linheras - b. 1813. Looking for a death date and
>>> place, spouse, parents.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> LaRonda
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Miranda from Terceira or Ponta Delgada (no island) or Brazil

I should point out that she has a son named Bento as well and on his Baptism 
record it shows that his grandparents on his mothers side are Bento Ignacio de 
Sousa Maria Guilhermina Corvello so it definitely checks out. I appreaciate the 
help. 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Miranda from Terceira or Ponta Delgada (no island) or Brazil

Thank you Bill. I didn't find her baptism as you did but I found the baptism 
records or her children. Which I translated as well as I could and all the 
names/info match with the ones that you have posted.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Miranda from Terceira or Ponta Delgada (no island) or Brazil

2018-07-31 Thread bsei2816

Here is a link to the marriage Antonio Miranda d'Azevedo and Anna Leonor on
22 Oct 1887 in Cinco Ribeiras, Angra, Terceira

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-CINCORIBEIRAS-C-1879-1889/TER-AH-CINCORIBEIRAS-C-1879-1889_item1/P39.html

Antonio, age 19, is native of the parish of Santa Anna in the city of Rio
de Janeiro Brazil and a resident of S. Mateus da Calheta (Terceira). His
parents are Francisco Cordeiro de Miranda, native of Arrifes, Ponta
Delgada, (S. Miguel); and Francisco Julia de Miranda and native of Calheta
de Nesquim, Lajes (Pico)

Ana Leonor, age 17, is native of Santa Barbara (Terceira) and a resident of
this parish of Cinco Ribeiras. I don't really see her parents list. I
only found one Anna baptized in 1870 in Santa Barbara and her legitimate
daughter of Bento Ignacio de Souza and Maria Guilhermina Corvello. There
is a Bento Ignacio Souza listed as the father on this Anna's baptism and
the same name listed as a witness on Anna Leonor's marriage. That baptisms
is here:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-B-1870-1879/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-B-1870-1879_item1/P7.html

Maybe I am reading something wrong as far a Anna Leonor's parents. Anyway,
I hope this helps.

Bill Seidler

[AZORES-Genealogy] Miranda from Terceira or Ponta Delgada (no island) or Brazil

So update Antonio Miranda Azevedo is the one related to Francisco Cordeiro de 
Miranda. Sorry for the confusion.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Miranda from Terceira or Ponta Delgada (no island) or Brazil

I should point out that my Portuguese isn't perfect and the record is old so it 
could be in fact Antonio Miranda Azevedo's wife that is related to Francisco 
Cordeiro de Miranda. As she possibly has the same Miranda last name. It's 
confusing but her name was Anna Leonor (possibly with the last name Miranda). 
I'm having someone who can read Portuguese better than I, translate it now.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Miranda from Terceira or Ponta Delgada (no island) or Brazil