Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Pyramid Puzzle - Inhabited Earlier Than Tho...
Al, I have also recently read 1434. It started with enough meat on it catch interest, then spun out into a confused fantasy. Menzies has no grasp of scientific research. The proof offered in the later chapters are the theories laid out by him earlier. It's one big snake swallowing it's own tail. I had a hope of a scientific analysis of the physical evidence and got a National Enquirer story. He has a website for 1434 that's all sound and fury signifying nothing. What a charlatan. Eric Edgar On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 6:48 PM, alrose...@aol.com wrote: ** Joao et al. I always find it interesting to flip through such miraculous finds. There are always a few gullible souls to buy in to the idea regardless of the science to the contrary. However, every so often a find or research set that seems to fly against the wind catches my eye and my intellect that gives me pause. Nothing in the current set of posts piques my interest. I just wanted to offer an item for further juice to the mind ... this one from an author who has been vilified by officialdom ... but I find enough solid meat in his presentations to wonder if there may be something western historians have missed. The focus is on global seafaring Chinese in 13th Century ... title of his book is 1434 and he has a follow-up volume. I found the book as well as his follow-up interesting. Best to all. Al Rose aka Alfredo Francisco daRosa Semiao In a message dated 9/9/2013 6:13:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, j...@venturas.org writes: Nancy, These megalithic caves and rock art research are the work of the same person as these pyramids. Also he already found a 'significant number of fourth century BC Carthaginian temples!. This guy is seriously amazing. I wonder why no one else verifies his theories. I'm sure the Azorean tourism would be interested. Note that he found rock art, but the only picture is him lying down in the mud in a (very moist) cave. Where's this alleged art? And honestly, truly amazing rock artists. The walls in my wife's family homes in the Azores can barely last a couple of years without being renovated because of all the moisture in the air, and these people found a way to paint that lasts thousands of years? Nuno Ribeiro could make a fortune in moisture-resistant paints if he could only isolate the chemicals used. Something smells fishy about this Nuno Ribeiro and 'his' APIA association. João Ventura On Monday, September 9, 2013 7:43:58 PM UTC+2, nancy jean baptiste wrote: Well just to mention another interesting new discovery google megalithic cave and rock art on Terceira Island. Nancy Jean -- Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 10:00:27 -0700 From: ro...@lightspeed.net To: azo...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Pyramid Puzzle - Inhabited Earlier Than Thought. I'm not weighing in on whether this is fact or fiction but do know that scientists can date a structure. Joao's thoughts seem correct in the fact that we do not want to know the age of the rocks, that would only tell us age of the rock and not the structure. But scientists can date the age of a structure by deposits and weathering of its building materials and through time this area of science continues to improve.If these structure have not undergone this type of testing maybe scientists are waiting for improved testing procedures to be developed. D -Original Message- From: Tish M Sent: Sep 9, 2013 9:39 AM To: azo...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores Pyramid Puzzle - Inhabited Earlier Than Thought. Hi João, Very well put. This will go into my Reference box where I store very well written emails. Thank you, Tish On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 2:47 AM, João Ventura jo...@venturas.org wrote: Hi Cindy. Addressing your points, and why I think this pseudo-science pyramids doesn't hold. Regarding continental drift, there is nothing to say.. The Azores are located on top of the rift between the North American, Eurasian and the African plates. There's no drift involved here. The rift is where the mantle is moving apart, and because of that, the mantle is thinner at that point, with lots of magma chimneys almost up to the surface. From time to time, one of those has enough pressure to release the magma into the surface, in the form of volcanoes that when dormant look like peaceful beautiful green islands. The geological time scales here are not compatible with continental drift being a factor. If you study the DNA evidence, you'll see that mankind started in Africa, moved into Europe and Asia, and only moved into North America (and then South) during a time when it was possible to walk from Siberia to Alaska (search for Aleutian land bridge). That's measured in tens of thousands of years. Continental drift is measured in much wider timescales (millions of years). As to early discoverers, you
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Pyramid Puzzle - Inhabited Earlier Than Thought.
I looked at a number of artcles concerning this from a number or orgamizations. This is a Hoax. The APIA Associação Portuguesa de Investigação Arqueológica. is Nuno Ribeiro, Anabela Joaquinto, and Sergio Pereira have history of making claims of proof of Azores settlements predating European arrival. They are not accepted members of the scientific community, but a pseudo science group like the ones you see on Discovery Channel pushing Ancient Aliens, and Chinese Fleets mapping the world. Interesting stuff at first glance but unable to withstand the most basic scientific scrutiny. Their proof is based on the theories of other pseudo- science writers. It's unbelievable on face value that these pyramids weren't mentioned in any of the early settlers writings or church documents. The practice of clearing the land of volcanic stones for grape growing on Pico is well documented Maroiços are unique architectural elements in the archipelago. Found mainly at Madalena area, are heaps of black rocks cut loose from lava flagstones to allow the plantation of vineyards, remain standing as a reminder of the tenacity of the local population. Here is the description from the UNESCO World Heritage Site Experts Council Meeting in 2001 at Tokaj , Hungary MARIA EDUARD A ÁVILA The Vineyards of the Pico Island Thematic Expert Meeting on Vineyard Cultural Landscapes Maroiços - piles of rocks taken from the ground by hand, one by one, to gain soil to cultivate the essential means for survival. * * *Here's what the local's had to say:* * * *The president of the Historical Institute of Terceira, Francisco Maduro Dias, challenged the APIA researchers’ claims, arguing that “between fantasy and reality,” he believed the APIA’s claims had “much more to do with fantasy.”* *and * *However, the publication has drawn criticism from scientists, academics and fellow archaeologists, who said the APIA’s conclusions are premature and even fanciful. * * * *Detractors argue that the new evidence offered up by the APIA ignores the findings of UNESCO, which carried out a thorough archaeotechnological and ethnographic investigation in the area before designating the vineyards a World Heritage Site in 2004. * * * *The Azores remained uninhabited until the mid-15th century and at no time during its evaluation did UNESCO suggest that the pyramidal structures pre-dated this timeline.* * * *While conceding that UNESCO’s mapping of the Madalena landscape and the description of the area is correct, Ribeiro still maintained that from an archaeological standpoint, the pyramidal structures have not been interpreted correctly.* * * *The traditional explanation as to how these structures were formed is that villagers in the 17th century constructed them by stacking volcanic rock into piles as they cleared land for agriculture, a practice carried through to the 19th century*. Eric Edgar On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:19 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: This is REAL interesting. http://www.algarveresident.com/0-54889/algarve/azores-pyramids-puzzle E -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Borba
The -1 likely refers to the phrase primeiro do nome meaning first of this name. On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 8:56 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Baptized Isabel, Filha ( daughter) of Jorge Ignacio and Sabina . On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe you should post the image. It might help. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with my translation/undertanding
I read Paternos: Antonio Pedrozo de Borba and Anna Azevedo de Oliveira. Maternos: Manuel de Souza Pedrozo Dona Maria Bernarda. On the maternos, the priest started writing Antonio Pedroza, the corrected (digo, meaning-I mean) Manuel de Souza Pedrozo. Yes, the names below are statement of the witnesses present. Manuel de Souza Pedrozo, widower of D. Maria Bernarda, lavrador ( basically farmer) resident of the town of Ribeiro de Area Manuel Vitorino de Azevedo, married, lavrador, resident of this parish farther down Manuel de Azevedo de Borba, married, lavrador, resident of near, or around this town ( moradores no sobre dito lugar) Eric Edgar On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Eddie Machado avidedito...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks Cheri, Also the names are repeated further down. Is that because they are witnesses? -Eddie On Friday, August 23, 2013 10:21:08 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Eddie M, Pretty close. Pedrozo, not Petrozo. And the something (can't read it) is d'Oliveira. The maternal grands are Manoel de Souza Pedrozo and Dona Maria Bernarda. You're not totally off. You've got most of it! Keep up the good work! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with my translation/undertanding
Eddie, All I've learned on translating the records was from observing on this group. Go back through the group posts and you'll find several helpful posts. Instead of the mail list find the actual group page and use the search at the top. Several native speakers have posted with complete translation of a record page with notes on phrases used. Eric Edgar On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Eddie Machado avidedito...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks Eric, I really need to find a good program for learn Portuguese. -Eddie On Saturday, August 24, 2013 2:00:57 PM UTC-4, luiznoia wrote: I read Paternos: Antonio Pedrozo de Borba and Anna Azevedo de Oliveira. Maternos: Manuel de Souza Pedrozo Dona Maria Bernarda. On the maternos, the priest started writing Antonio Pedroza, the corrected (digo, meaning-I mean) Manuel de Souza Pedrozo. Yes, the names below are statement of the witnesses present. Manuel de Souza Pedrozo, widower of D. Maria Bernarda, lavrador ( basically farmer) resident of the town of Ribeiro de Area Manuel Vitorino de Azevedo, married, lavrador, resident of this parish farther down Manuel de Azevedo de Borba, married, lavrador, resident of near, or around this town ( moradores no sobre dito lugar) Eric Edgar On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Eddie Machado avided...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks Cheri, Also the names are repeated further down. Is that because they are witnesses? -Eddie On Friday, August 23, 2013 10:21:08 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Eddie M, Pretty close. Pedrozo, not Petrozo. And the something (can't read it) is d'Oliveira. The maternal grands are Manoel de Souza Pedrozo and Dona Maria Bernarda. You're not totally off. You've got most of it! Keep up the good work! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/Azoreshttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/azoreshttp://groups.google.com/group/azores . -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname Pontiff
Pam, I'd guess it may have been Pontes. Eric Edgar On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote: What would that name be in Portuguese if its even is?? I am looking for a death for a Ernest Pontiff he married Sarah Pereira, I found her death info but not his. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] José Tomás Dias from Ponta Delgada, Flores in the the US (California, Nevada)
Joao, After looking at your link I realize why I have Jose Thomas in the files. I worked on a project for descendants of Jose Lourenco Dias and Policena Candida. Their grandson Jose Lourenco Vieira immigrated here to California in 1967. I was filling in some holes in their tree for his wife and their sons. The common relatives I share with the Lourenco Dias tree Manuel Coelho Rodrigues and Joana Freitas who married in Nov 1749. My line descends from their son, alfreres Jose Coelho Rodrigues b.1754 and the Lourenco Vieira descend from their son Francisco Antonio Rodrigues b. bef 1818. The Noia name came into my family through a female line, Isabel Maria daughter of Domingo Antono Noia and Maria de Annunciada married Antonio Coelho Rodrigues in 1821. Their son Domingo Antonio Noia b. 1829 was the only son to take the Noia name. This is my first immigrant ancestor. Domingo and his brother , Jose Coelho Rodrigues both came to California during the gold rush. They both returned to Flores, and Domingos son Manuel came back to start our line here. You can contact me privately for details Eric Edgar On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:05 AM, João Ventura j...@venturas.org wrote: Hello everyone, Thanks for your invaluable help. I'll try to see if his daughter can look at some of the information you provided and maybe remember some facts that can help sort out the records. I was only looking for Jose(ph) Dias, but indeed looking at Joseph Thomas might be the way to go. I believe that on the second time, he did get a passport so I'll probably have to look at that over in S. Miguel. I have some pictures of him and another friend of him while he was in Nevada. I'll try to scan it and post it here. Eric, yes I'd be sure you'd have him in your records :) I probably have some pictures from your side of the family as well. I think the Nóias and this family were quite close. His oldest daugther married José Lourenço Nóia, and even though the only Nóia ancestor seems to be Belchior Gomes Nóia, I've seen that many of the extended family did marry with the Nóia family. I forgot to add the link to my record for José in my original post: http://venturas.org/familytree/individual.php?pid=I49ged=venturas And his family: http://venturas.org/familytree/family.php?famid=F18ged=venturas (some details are private, as D. Policena, his third daugther is still alive and kicking). João C. Ventura On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:29:00 PM UTC+2, luiznoia wrote: Joao, I have him in my files. He was baptized on 3 Oct 1877, son of Jose Thomas Ramos and Anna Clara , Paternos are: Thomas Jose Ramos and Joanna Francisca, maternos: Antonio Narciso and Maria Clara. The margin note on his baptism shows the death date at 16 Apr 1959. You'll find Joe Thomas on the census here at line 37, a shepard. They are at Island Mountain , Elko, Nevada. On the shiplist for the Peninsular 15 Sep 1898, from Flores to New York, you'll see 2 Jose Thomas, ages 19 and 20 , and a Francisco Thomas. One Joseph Thomas says he is joining an uncle Pedro Thomas in Massachucets, The other Joseph Thomas says San Francisco Francisco is headed to Mason Valley, Nevada. That's in Lyon county, 50 miles from Reno. He is joining an uncle Frank Martin. On the census is a Frank M Freitas, Sheep would have been herded from the summer in high mountains ( around Lyon county) to winter in low desert to avoid heavy snow ( like Elko) Eric Edgar On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:55 AM, João Ventura jo...@venturas.org wrote: Hello group, I don't usually post requests for help, but I think this is the right place to ask this one before wasting time. I'm looking for the American trail of my wife's great-grandfather, José Tomás Dias. He was born on October 1st, 1877 and died on April 16th, 1959 both events in Ponta Delgada, Flores. I've got information from his oldest daughter (still living) that goes like this: - With 21 years (1898) he sailed on the Peninsular from Santa Cruz, Flores to California. He was a sheepherder in Nevada. After 12 years (~1910), he returned to Flores. (facts) On January 27th, 1912 he married in Ponta Delgada, and his first daughter Maria Lourenço Dias was born on March 27th, 1913. - After 1 year and 3 months after his marriage (April 1913), he sailed from São Miguel back to the US where he stayed 6-8 years (1919/1921). He never returned to the US. (facts) His second daughter was born on August 14th, 1923. He probably stayed/went with friends, so there might be others on this list that have knowledge of this US periods from José. Also, where could I find information on this 'Peninsular' boat, and the destination ports? I've seen Doug Holmes' http://www.dholmes.**com/ships.htmlhttp://www.dholmes.com/ships.html page and noticed that it has some passenger records for the Peninsular all going to Ellis Island. However, a search in the Ellis Island database apparently didn't turn up
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Locating Death record
Eddie, The California death index lists her as Maria A Barba, 69 years old died 19 Jan 1913 in San Mateo County. She doesn't appear in the 1910 census in the area under that name Eric Edgar On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Eddie Machado avidedito...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Everyone, I am stumped trying to find the death record for my 2x Great Grandmother Maria A. Borba. She is from São Jorge she was originally married to João d'Azevedo Machado, who died on the island. Maria immigrated to the United States maybe around 1884 through Massachusetts with a daughter ( I think Marianno or Marianna) and one of her son's Francisco d'Azevedo Machado (Changed to Frank A. Machado once in the states. Their immigration is based on a book, but no official documents. She married Manuel Borba, again this is according to a book. She died in 1913 according to her headstone and is buried in Holy Cross in Culmo, CA. Her maiden name prior to her first marriage was Maria Augusta do Coracao de Jesus she was born in about 1844. I am trying to any record to fill in the gap I have from the death of her 1st husband to her death. I was hoping to follow things backward to her marriage to her 2nd husband and see what name she was going by when she got married. Which hopefully would lead me to immigration records. Thanks, Eddie Machado -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Locating Death record
Eddie, They're here on the 1910 census for Millbrae http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=7884iid=3_4327307-00700sid=gskw=Marie+Baerba Spelled Baerba, no ages or dates of immigration. Both say 1 marriage , she says 14 children, 10 living. Son Manuel in house 30 years , born Portugal. Looks like son . Manuel Machado next door with a nephew and niece in the house. Tells us she remarried in the Azores, or that Manuel P Borba brought his children and the married here. Probably didn't understand the census questions. Eric EDgar On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:10 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Eddie, Here's the obit Found at the California Digital Newspaper Collection http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc It's a great resource. This should get you going. Eric Edgar On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Eddie Machado avidedito...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Eric, I stumbled across that around 1 today. I posted about it. The interesting part is that she doesn't appear at all under Barba or Borba in the 1910 Census, nor can I find her 2nd husband Manuel Borba or Barba. -Eddie On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 5:42:34 PM UTC-4, luiznoia wrote: Eddie, The California death index lists her as Maria A Barba, 69 years old died 19 Jan 1913 in San Mateo County. She doesn't appear in the 1910 census in the area under that name Eric Edgar On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Eddie Machado avided...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Everyone, I am stumped trying to find the death record for my 2x Great Grandmother Maria A. Borba. She is from São Jorge she was originally married to João d'Azevedo Machado, who died on the island. Maria immigrated to the United States maybe around 1884 through Massachusetts with a daughter ( I think Marianno or Marianna) and one of her son's Francisco d'Azevedo Machado (Changed to Frank A. Machado once in the states. Their immigration is based on a book, but no official documents. She married Manuel Borba, again this is according to a book. She died in 1913 according to her headstone and is buried in Holy Cross in Culmo, CA. Her maiden name prior to her first marriage was Maria Augusta do Coracao de Jesus she was born in about 1844. I am trying to any record to fill in the gap I have from the death of her 1st husband to her death. I was hoping to follow things backward to her marriage to her 2nd husband and see what name she was going by when she got married. Which hopefully would lead me to immigration records. Thanks, Eddie Machado -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/Azoreshttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/azoreshttp://groups.google.com/group/azores . -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Locating Death record
Eddie, Ancestry.com has San Mateo newspapers that cover 1928. Go to search all, then choose California, go to the bottom of the page where Newspapers and Periodicals are. There are four different papers there. The Post is 60-63, San Mateo Times is 25-28, The Times and Daily Leader 28-59, Times 27-77 Eric Edgar On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Eddie Machado avidedito...@gmail.comwrote: Of course the other date I'd love to search are not in there! Anyone know where to find Newspapers from 1928? On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:24:44 PM UTC-4, Pam Santos wrote: its free the CDNC!! No they don't charge just email them, I have never had to pay anything. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Eddie Machado avided...@gmail.comwrote: That is awesome! Thank you sooo much! I'll have to look into joining CDNC! On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 6:10:12 PM UTC-4, luiznoia wrote: Eddie, Here's the obit Found at the California Digital Newspaper Collection http://cdnc.ucr.**edu**/cgi-bin/cdnc http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc It's a great resource. This should get you going. Eric Edgar On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Eddie Machado avided...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Eric, I stumbled across that around 1 today. I posted about it. The interesting part is that she doesn't appear at all under Barba or Borba in the 1910 Census, nor can I find her 2nd husband Manuel Borba or Barba. -Eddie On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 5:42:34 PM UTC-4, luiznoia wrote: Eddie, The California death index lists her as Maria A Barba, 69 years old died 19 Jan 1913 in San Mateo County. She doesn't appear in the 1910 census in the area under that name Eric Edgar On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Eddie Machado avided...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Everyone, I am stumped trying to find the death record for my 2x Great Grandmother Maria A. Borba. She is from São Jorge she was originally married to João d'Azevedo Machado, who died on the island. Maria immigrated to the United States maybe around 1884 through Massachusetts with a daughter ( I think Marianno or Marianna) and one of her son's Francisco d'Azevedo Machado (Changed to Frank A. Machado once in the states. Their immigration is based on a book, but no official documents. She married Manuel Borba, again this is according to a book. She died in 1913 according to her headstone and is buried in Holy Cross in Culmo, CA. Her maiden name prior to her first marriage was Maria Augusta do Coracao de Jesus she was born in about 1844. I am trying to any record to fill in the gap I have from the death of her 1st husband to her death. I was hoping to follow things backward to her marriage to her 2nd husband and see what name she was going by when she got married. Which hopefully would lead me to immigration records. Thanks, Eddie Machado -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/Azoreshttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/azoreshttp://groups.google.com/group/azores . -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group**/Azoreshttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group**/azoreshttp://groups.google.com/group/azores . -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/Azoreshttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/azoreshttp
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives
This is the best record found in Canhas for the Manuel Ignacio - *Data:* 22-04-1883 - *Paróquia / Conservatória:* Canhas - *FILHO:* Manuel - *Pai:* Manuel Pita de Inácio - *Mãe:* Maria dos Ramos - *Livro:* 3937-A - *Folha:* 24 This may be the same Manuel Inacio returning to marry Ano: Data: 24-05-1921 Paróquia / Conservatória: C.R.C. Ponta do Sol MARIDO: Manuel Pita de Inácio Júnior Pai: Manuel Pita de Inácio Mãe: Maria dos Ramos MULHER: Luísa Gonçalves Pai: Joaquim de Leça Pauleiro Mãe: Isabel Gonçalves Livro: 739 Folha: 65-65 v.º Obs: Enviuvou de Manuel Pita de Inácio Júnior, em 24.09.1950, reg. n.º 130. Nota marginal: Averbabado ao assento de nasc. n.º 118 do ano de 1883. On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Nancy Hoopes nch...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Eric, I don't have any of the other names you mentioned. In 1829, the Vicar of the church Nossa Senhora da Piadade was Monsignor Manuel Fernandes Pitta. In 1910, when they got off the ship Romanic, Joao Pitta and Manuel Gomes were living in the same house in Taunton, Mass. They may have been related or not. In 1910, Joao was 39, Manuel was only 16. On the same ship, same date with them is Manuel Ignacio who listed his father in Canhas as Manuel Pitta Ignacio. I have a Carolina de Jesus born 1867 in Canhas but she wasn't a Pitta. Nancy -- *From:* eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com *To:* Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2013 3:31 PM *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives Nancy, Her grandfather and brothers came around 1910 MANUEL RODRIGUES, b. 09 Jan 1878, Canhas ANTONIO RODRIGUES, b. 1887, Canhas EDWARD RODRIGUES, b. 1891, Canhas Their parents: EDUARDO RODRIGUES* * was born in Canhas, and VALENTINA AUGUSTA PITTA, daughter of FERMINAO PITTA and CAROLINA DE JESUS. Eric Edgar On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Nancy Hoopes nch...@sbcglobal.netwrote: I have documents also. Is Joao Pitta your wife's relative? Pitta came to USA in July 1910 with one of my relatives, Manuel Gomes from Canhas. I've been trying to see if I can get a picture - maybe from his passport, but Archives said they couldn't help. Nancy H. -- *From:* eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com *To:* Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:50 PM *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives No problems with the Archives site.Right in On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:48 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.comwrote: Nancy , My wife's family is from there. Rodrigues Lobo and Pitta, the other side Abreu dos Santos is from next door in Ponta do Sol. I have a lot of documents. Who you looking for? Eric Edgar On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Nancy Hoopes nch...@sbcglobal.netwrote: I'm working on village of Canhas, (Levada de Magdalena), Nossa Senhora da Piedade, Ponta do Sol, Madeira. Any of your relatives from that village? Many surnames. Still can't get through to Archives website. Nancy H. -- *From:* Eric Gomes gomes.ances...@gmail.com *To:* azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:27 PM *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives I am having trouble for now as well... On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Will Clinton w...@americanfamilyfundinggroup.com wrote: Nancy, ** ** I was able to log on BUT it did take two try's--I assume you are working on Madeira! What's the name and what is the parish? Maybe we can work together -:) ** ** WILL CLINTON Partner, American Family Funding Group--NMLS #870538 DRE#00842858--NMLS #339741 Specializing in FHA, VA,MCC, CA PERS, REVERSE MORTGAGES COMMERCIAL, AND OF COURSE FANNIE AND FREDDIE PRODUCTS 1190 SO BASCOM AVE #215 SAN JOSE, CA 95128 408-297-6800 x 1702 408-273-6013 EFAX ** ** *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Nancy Hoopes *Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2013 3:40 PM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives ** ** The website for Arquivo Madeira keeps telling me there is a problem loading the page (is taking too long to respond). Has anyone else had the problem? Thank you. Nancy H. ** ** ** ** -- *From:* Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com *To:* Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, June 28, 2013 7:53 AM *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives Nancy H, It's here (and in English too!): http://goo.gl/t027G Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Process on how to order a U.S. Naturalization packet
My order was directly to the USCIS, and on inquiry, the Public information officer told me that since Department of Homeland Security has been formed the USCIS would not work on anything but pending citizenship cases. This was 18 months ago. and I'm still waiting for the files. Perhaps policy has changed. I'd assume then it's like the NARA experience, just depends which person you contact. Eric On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Eric, I see your 2nd post. You don't call or write the Department of Homeland Security. They don't deal with historical documents. You write the United States Citizenship and Immigration Service (USCIS). They started handling the requests for genealogy about 5 years ago now. Maybe that is why you had such a negative experience. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Process on how to order a U.S. Naturalization packet
Thank you for the clarification here. I was able to get all needed certified copies from the NARA and the citizenship was granted. It does state on the G-639 form that not fees are required but that if research and copying fees exceed a certain threshold, up to $250 may be liable. Consulate personnel helping me said that previous requestors who had gotten documents generally paid about $20 in fees, so to send it with the application to speed up a process. For those think of Portuguese citizenship, There is no jui sangres, or through the grandparents birth available. Eric Edgar On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote to Marian Smith, who works for the USCIS and is a lecturer (mostly on the east coast) on the naturalization process. I've edited her response just a little bit so it makes sense on this list. I'll do the [ thing ] for edits. == Marian says: There are so many issues going on with this--and not just with [your listmember]. I'm glad to say much of what he's complaining about has been cleared up but much remains. Let's take them one by one, then I’ll address his specific complaints: First, the confusion over who to contact. If one wants to contact the USCIS Genealogy Program they are best to email or leave a message at the address/phone number on the website at www.uscis.gov/genealogy. Trying to contact any DHS or general USCIS number is going to get them into an unending phone tree where, unfortunately, there is no good information about the Genealogy program. Of course, if they’ve sent their request to USCIS FOIA or to the National Archives sending their inquiry to USCIS Genealogy is not going to get them too far. USCIS Genealogy tries to forward such messages to the proper destination but it isn’t always easy if the requesters themselves are confused. Second, confusion over what form to submit. No matter how hard we try to explain we cannot seem to help customers understand what form to file, where, or for what purpose. Customers continue to file form G-1041 for index search results then complain when they don’t get a record. Or, they file a G-639 FOIA request and either send it to FOIA or to Genealogy. In those cases Genealogy must send the request to FOIA because the requester filed a G-639. Then the customer complains to or about USCIS Genealogy because they don’t get what they think they want. We’ve even had customers complain about USCIS Genealogy to their Congressman, only to finally determine they sent their request to NARA, not USCIS. Third, complaints about USCIS Genealogy customer service or lack thereof. It is true in the early years the program was crippled by a huge backlog that took a long time to eliminate. Delays were long. At the same time there were delays in returning phone calls and email. We’ve made a huge push on this front in the last couple years and now everyone should get some response within a week. If they don’t, they should write to the USCIS Genealogy Program supervisor at the address below. But again, they should be sure they sent the correct form to the correct place first, because in many cases that is the source of the problem. Fourth, the question of certified copies. Nothing has caused as much confusion as this issue. USCIS has made repeated efforts to educate the Italian Government about what records the agency has, how they can be requested, and what records can or cannot be certified. All efforts have failed and the various Italian consulates around the country continue to require different documentation from dual citizenship applicants. Any consulate that requires a certified copy of the naturalization certificate is imposing a nearly impossible requirement (in some cases if the customer presents the original, USCIS can issue a certified copy). Over the years the consulates have demonstrated little understanding of the records available or what those records may or may not prove. The customers come to us in a panic and when we are unable to provide what they demand they blame USCIS. It has been and continues to be a very unfortunate situation. Finally, from [your listmember's] statements you relate, it sounds like: · He called the USCIS 1-800 number where they had no idea how to answer his question. · Then he contacted NARA and got a certified copy ($8) of a court record. · The consulate probably does get certified copies all the time, but those are from NARA, not USCIS. · When he says he filed a G-639 to USCIS, he’s saying he filed a FOIA request. There is no fee to file that form so I have no idea why he sent $25. USCIS Genealogy has no fee of $25. I would suggest he write to USCIS Genealogy and ask them to provide him the case number(s) and date(s) of all USCIS Genealogy request(s) submitted by him and when the request(s) were answered/fulfilled. He could also
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freitas Pimentel of Fajazinha, Flores
Patricia, This is their marriage record as recorded in a book derived from the archives in Flores José de Freitas Pimentel Júnior [30 anos, f.º de António de Freitas Pimentel e de Isabel Maria da Conceição] c. 1890.05.22 c. Maria Fernandes do Nascimento [24 anos, f.ª de António de Freitas do Nascimento e de Maria Joaquina de Jesus]. Grandparents Paternal: António de Freitas Pimentel [f.º de José de Freitas Pimentel e de Ana da Conceição] c. 1853.02.05 c. Isabel Maria da Conceição [f.ª de João de Freitas Henriques e de Ana de Freitas]. Maternal: António de Freitas do Nascimento [38 anos, f.º de José de Freitas do Nascimento e de Ana da Trindade] c. 1864.01.27 c. Maria Joaquina de Jesus [19 anos, f.ª de José Rodrigues Fernandes e de Ana de Jesus]. Eric Edgar On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Patricia Anne p-r...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, my name is Pat. I do think the passport document is for Francisco, (or Frank Pimentel), Gary Pimentel's dad. The photo sure looks like him. Frank was my great uncle. My grandfather, Antonio, was his older brother. Antonio died in 1948 so Gary wouldn't remember or know him. I just started looking into the family tree a few days ago, so am a real novice. I am trying to confirm the parent's names for Fancisco and Antonio.Can you read Portuguese? I can't speak or read Portuguese. The baptismal records are so hard to make out. If you can read it, can you make out dates for baptism and birth and/or can you confirm what I think it says - that the parent's names are Jose de Freitas Pimentel and Isabel Maria da Conceicao? My mom, Lucile Pimentel, daughter of Antonio and neice of Francisco, is 98. She was born in 1912. She doesn'r remember the names of her grandparents on her father's side as the grandfather died before she knew him and her grandmother was living back in Fajazinha, Flores. Are you related to the Pimentels, or just a nice and helpful person? Thanks so much.. On Saturday, August 17, 2013 1:12:04 AM UTC-7, joe m wrote: Could this be Francisco Pimentel? On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Patricia Anne p-r...@hotmail.comwrote: Hi Gary, it is your cousin Patsy. I am retired now and with nothing better to do I was looking into getting info on the old family tree. And how weird to accidentally find your post to this group. How the heck are you? My mom, Lucile Pimentel, your dad's niece, is still alive and still lives out on the ranch on Fruit Ave. She is 98. I had heard from her that Wilfred had Pimentel family genealogy work done. However he died in 2012, so is no longer around to share it. Our branch of the Pimentels is from Fajazinha as Doug mentioned. When you speak of Manuel and Maria and 6 siblings what was their relationship to your dad? (Your dad was one of my grandfather's younger brothers. Both of my grandparents were Pimentels. (It's complicated). I noticed that they all used Frates or Freitas as a middle name - or so I thought. Let's share info. Happy Birthday! On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 9:51:52 PM UTC-7, garypimentel44 wrote: Hi Doug Wilfred Pimentel was my first cousin. He was Joe Pimentel's son. Joe was my father's young Brother. I have gone just to where Manual and Maria Pimentel immigrated to the U.S. with six siblings. Would appreciate any information you could give me. Thanks, Gary *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.**co**m] *On Behalf Of *pi...@dholmes.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 07, 2013 5:12 PM *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Freitas Pimentel of Fajazinha, Flores Gary, I once did a massive amount of research on the Freitas Pimentel line from Fajazinha, Flores for one Wilfred Pimentel of Fresno. I don't know if he would still be alive at 87yrs now. So if that is your line, I might have the documents you need. I remember they were a pioneering family from Fresno county, with many siblings who immigrated in the early 1900s. Write me privately if you get stuck. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree From: Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com Date: Wed, August 07, 2013 2:56 pm To: Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com Gary P, If you don't have a subscription to Ancestry.com, you can go to your local public library to access it. You can look for your dad beginning in the 1940 U.S. Federal Census. Then find him in the 1930 and the 1920. You may be able to find him immigrating into America as well, by checking Ancestry's Immigration Collection. He'll probably be under the name of Francisco and the Frietes may be Freitas, Frates, etc. Once you check under Freitas, you'll also have to check under Pimentel, Pimental, etc. You don't know if he immigrated under the compounded surname or not. All that should answer your question
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Petition for naturalizations before 1880
Pam, My great grandfather was naturalized in the Superior Court at San Francisco in 1896. This is stated on his 1898 passport application. These papers did not survive the 1906 earthquake. Eric Edgar On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know what information are on the petitions? I have found my ggreat grandfathers natuaralizations papers in Sacramento, CA but did not really tell me anything and I been looking for the petition which could be in San Francisco or Philadelphia or Boston area. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives
No problems with the Archives site.Right in On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:48 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Nancy , My wife's family is from there. Rodrigues Lobo and Pitta, the other side Abreu dos Santos is from next door in Ponta do Sol. I have a lot of documents. Who you looking for? Eric Edgar On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Nancy Hoopes nch...@sbcglobal.netwrote: I'm working on village of Canhas, (Levada de Magdalena), Nossa Senhora da Piedade, Ponta do Sol, Madeira. Any of your relatives from that village? Many surnames. Still can't get through to Archives website. Nancy H. -- *From:* Eric Gomes gomes.ances...@gmail.com *To:* azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:27 PM *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives I am having trouble for now as well... On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Will Clinton w...@americanfamilyfundinggroup.com wrote: Nancy, ** ** I was able to log on BUT it did take two try's--I assume you are working on Madeira! What's the name and what is the parish? Maybe we can work together -:) ** ** WILL CLINTON Partner, American Family Funding Group--NMLS #870538 DRE#00842858--NMLS #339741 Specializing in FHA, VA,MCC, CA PERS, REVERSE MORTGAGES COMMERCIAL, AND OF COURSE FANNIE AND FREDDIE PRODUCTS 1190 SO BASCOM AVE #215 SAN JOSE, CA 95128 408-297-6800 x 1702 408-273-6013 EFAX ** ** *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Nancy Hoopes *Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2013 3:40 PM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives ** ** The website for Arquivo Madeira keeps telling me there is a problem loading the page (is taking too long to respond). Has anyone else had the problem? Thank you. Nancy H. ** ** ** ** -- *From:* Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com *To:* Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, June 28, 2013 7:53 AM *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives Nancy H, It's here (and in English too!): http://goo.gl/t027G Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. ** ** -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA Surnames: Gomes, Smith, Townsend, Lopes, Cabral, Erwin, Kennedy, Rodman, Rodrigues, and many more. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco de Pimentel from Santa Cruz, Flores
Why are you trading Graciosa info on a Flores thread. Start a new one. Eric Edgar On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Bill Boyd want2beuni...@yahoo.com wrote: Cheryl, My direct great grandfather is Cândido Espínola de Bettencourt, born 1849 in Luz, Guadalupe, Graciosa and died 1914. I don't have the individuals you mention in my tree. Many in my tree are also from Santa Cruz. Regards, Bill On Aug 14, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Cheryl Lawrence cheryl...@gmail.com wrote: Eliseu, Here's some more info... Francisco DeSouza Sylvia. Born 1863 Sao Mateus De Praia, Santa Cruz, Graciosa. Died in 1930 in New Bedford, MA. His parents were Maria Perpetua Da Silva and Antonio Espinola Bettencourt. I don't know of any siblings. - Cheryl On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Eliseu Silva eliseuman...@gmail.comwrote: Hi! I have some Francisco de Sousa da Silva in my family from Graciosa. If you give more information on your Francisco may be we can give you more information on yours: who are their parents? Siblings? Birth place?... ** ** Muito Obrigado, *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva* *(S. Miguel and Graciosa)* *Azores Genealogy Group * ** ** ** ** -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Cheryl Lawrence 508-951-2657 -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives
Nancy, Her grandfather and brothers came around 1910 MANUEL RODRIGUES, b. 09 Jan 1878, Canhas ANTONIO RODRIGUES, b. 1887, Canhas EDWARD RODRIGUES, b. 1891, Canhas Their parents: EDUARDO RODRIGUES* * was born in Canhas, and VALENTINA AUGUSTA PITTA, daughter of FERMINAO PITTA and CAROLINA DE JESUS. Eric Edgar On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Nancy Hoopes nch...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I have documents also. Is Joao Pitta your wife's relative? Pitta came to USA in July 1910 with one of my relatives, Manuel Gomes from Canhas. I've been trying to see if I can get a picture - maybe from his passport, but Archives said they couldn't help. Nancy H. -- *From:* eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com *To:* Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:50 PM *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives No problems with the Archives site.Right in On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:48 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.comwrote: Nancy , My wife's family is from there. Rodrigues Lobo and Pitta, the other side Abreu dos Santos is from next door in Ponta do Sol. I have a lot of documents. Who you looking for? Eric Edgar On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Nancy Hoopes nch...@sbcglobal.netwrote: I'm working on village of Canhas, (Levada de Magdalena), Nossa Senhora da Piedade, Ponta do Sol, Madeira. Any of your relatives from that village? Many surnames. Still can't get through to Archives website. Nancy H. -- *From:* Eric Gomes gomes.ances...@gmail.com *To:* azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:27 PM *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives I am having trouble for now as well... On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Will Clinton w...@americanfamilyfundinggroup.com wrote: Nancy, ** ** I was able to log on BUT it did take two try's--I assume you are working on Madeira! What's the name and what is the parish? Maybe we can work together -:) ** ** WILL CLINTON Partner, American Family Funding Group--NMLS #870538 DRE#00842858--NMLS #339741 Specializing in FHA, VA,MCC, CA PERS, REVERSE MORTGAGES COMMERCIAL, AND OF COURSE FANNIE AND FREDDIE PRODUCTS 1190 SO BASCOM AVE #215 SAN JOSE, CA 95128 408-297-6800 x 1702 408-273-6013 EFAX ** ** *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Nancy Hoopes *Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2013 3:40 PM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives ** ** The website for Arquivo Madeira keeps telling me there is a problem loading the page (is taking too long to respond). Has anyone else had the problem? Thank you. Nancy H. ** ** ** ** -- *From:* Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com *To:* Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, June 28, 2013 7:53 AM *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives Nancy H, It's here (and in English too!): http://goo.gl/t027G Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. ** ** -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Process on how to order a U.S. Naturalization packet
I should clarify that my original request was to the USCIS. The form , a G-639 Freedom of Information Privacy Act Request for all contained in a C file was $25 to file, Filled out properly with Death certificate attached and notarized, it is a waste of time and money. It will not be honored. Eric Edgar On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 4:14 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: I have made a request 2 years ago for any and all providing all possible certificate numbers and vital record dates. There was no reply for 6 months After 2 weeks of trying to get a phone call through to a live person, I was told that there direction from the Dept of Homeland Security was to work on current pending citizenship applications, and that no historical type work was to be done And they kept all the application fees. I was able to get certified copies of the documents I needed from the National Archives and Records Admin. ( NARA, San Bruno) I will depend on who answers the phone there. The first person told me they could offer only informational documents Since this was for an Italian citizenship application, I asked their consulate in San Francisco about it. They said that was a false statement, that they often receive certified copies. A second call got a knowledgeable person who provided me with the appropriate certified documents at about $8 a piece. Eric Edgar On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: I saw this posted on my Facebook News Feed from someone who works for the USCIS (United States Citizenship and Immigration Service) - the old INS: http://goo.gl/OU4JUB When I make a request, I ask for Any and all paperwork. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Process on how to order a U.S. Naturalization packet
I have made a request 2 years ago for any and all providing all possible certificate numbers and vital record dates. There was no reply for 6 months After 2 weeks of trying to get a phone call through to a live person, I was told that there direction from the Dept of Homeland Security was to work on current pending citizenship applications, and that no historical type work was to be done And they kept all the application fees. I was able to get certified copies of the documents I needed from the National Archives and Records Admin. ( NARA, San Bruno) I will depend on who answers the phone there. The first person told me they could offer only informational documents Since this was for an Italian citizenship application, I asked their consulate in San Francisco about it. They said that was a false statement, that they often receive certified copies. A second call got a knowledgeable person who provided me with the appropriate certified documents at about $8 a piece. Eric Edgar On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: I saw this posted on my Facebook News Feed from someone who works for the USCIS (United States Citizenship and Immigration Service) - the old INS: http://goo.gl/OU4JUB When I make a request, I ask for Any and all paperwork. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree
Cindy, I'm ruling out your Margarida. The 1896 marriage record from New Bedford shows her as Margarida V Pimentel , with parents of Jose A and Maria Ursela. We know Francisco Freitas's parents to be Jose de Freitas Pimentel Jr and Maria Fernandes do Nascimento The Flores marrige shows this possibility from Lomba José António Pimentel [29 anos, n. Lajes das Flores, f.º de António José Pimentel e de Maria Claudina] c. 1875.11.08 c. Maria Úrsula do Coração de Jesus [37 anos, f.ª de António Caetano Martins e de Maria Úrsula]. This Jose gets married again in Santa Cruz José António Pimentel [45 anos, n. Lajes das Flores, f.º de António José Pimentel e de Maria Claudina, e já v.º de Maria Úrsula, f. Lajes das Flores] c. 1891.04.30 c. Filomena José Dutra Pimentel [32 anos, n. Santa Cruz das Flores, f.ª de pai incógnito e de Maria Luísa Valentim]. Problem is , the marriage is 8 years after Margarida is born.Year is derived from the age of 28 shown on the marriage record We've seen that happen before, but... also there's a Martin surname in there. Eric Edgar On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Cindy D kcci...@aol.com wrote: Not sure if we have any connection, my g-grandma was born Margarita Pimentel, 1880, Lages, Flores. For sure she had a brother Frank, and two sisters, Anna and Maria, I am not sure if she had other siblings. She left Flores when she was 15, landed in New Bedford. Scribbly family note indicated an Annie Martins in the mix, don't know if Her sister Anna married a Martins, or how that name is connected. Margarita married Jose da Silva in New Bedford about 1896. They remained in the area until their deaths and are buried at St. John's. I have tried to find my g-grandma's siblings and where they ended up but have not had much luck. Cindy D Kansas On Sunday, August 4, 2013 10:10:36 PM UTC-5, Gary Pimentel wrote: Hi, I'm trying to get a handle on my dad's side of his family. He was Frank Pimentel a rancher in Fresno, CA. He has two sons from a previous marriage. Dr. David Pimentel of Cornell, and Jack Pimentel Of Mas. My father was from Flores and had three brother one who was a priest, Manual on Flores along with his sister, Maria. I think my dad came here when he was 21yrs old,.an was a successful farmer in raisin, cotton and potatoes. if anyone knows any information on his side of family, I would love to hear from you. Thanks, Gary Pimentel -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Another names question
There may be tradtions in some families, but the general rule is that there are no rules in naming patterns. Eric Edgar On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net wrote: At 07:23 PM 8/9/2013, you wrote: I had read that the first son had the father's last name and the second son had the mother's last name. That's what I think happened in my family. They were Jewish if that makes any difference, and ended up in Terceira before coming to Boston. - Shirl - *From:* themom8...@aol.com themom8...@aol.com *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Another names question Hoping that someone can clarify for me this naming question. On NEPS site when a family is listed with male children, typically the male will be listed for instance as Jose and when you go to that person as the primary page he will be listed as *Jose* *Vieira*, Vieira being the same last name as the father. Another male child in the family may be named for instance Joao Francisco Gomes and when you make that person the primary person on the page his name will appear as *Joao Francisco* *Gomes*. In that instance, is that child's last name Gomes rather than Vieira? It would appear so to me but hoping someone can clarify. Thanks. In my mother's family, the first-born son was named after his father and took his mother's maiden name as a middle name. E.g., my grandfather was Augustus Perry Monteiro, his mother was Olivia Perry; my greatgrandfather was Augustus Garcia Monteiro (I don't know his mother's name). He was from Fayal. ** ** Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree
Gary, Lucky for you. Flores island is the most completely recorded and indexed of the Azores, and you know who you're looking for. Eric Edgar On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Gary Pimentel garypimente...@gmail.comwrote: Wow! that throws a major curve in the way I was Going. Thanks, Gary ** ** *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *eric edgar *Sent:* Friday, August 09, 2013 12:09 AM *To:* Azores Genealogy *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree ** ** Gary, ** ** You've already stated that your father born in came to the us in 1917 to the East coats. That could not have been the same Frank Pimentel shown on the 1910 census that arrived in 1910. That Frank, son of Manuel and Mary is shown still ** ** living in their household in 1920. ** ** ** ** http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Viewr=andbid=6224iid=4532338_00816fn=Frank+Fln=Pimentalst=dssrc=pid=89145209 ** ** This 1930 census shows Frank Pimentel , 32 yrs old divorced in Fresno, immigrated 1915. ** ** http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Viewr=andbid=6224iid=4532338_00816fn=Frank+Fln=Pimentalst=dssrc=pid=89145209 ** ** ** ** This tree at ancestry shows that the Frank Pimentel that died in Fresno in 1963 is the son of Jose de Freitas Pimentel ** ** http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/23345118/person/1545889784 ** ** You stated that your father died in 1963 in Fresno at 66 yrs of age. The California death Index shows that he was born on 30 Jan 1897 matching my record exactly. ** ** The Frank Pimentel shown with Manuel and Mary in Alameda county was born on 12 Sep 1897. That is not your family. ** ** ** ** http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Viewr=andbid=6482iid=CA-1530714-5484fn=Francisco+Fln=Pimentelst=rssrc=pid=28391243 ** ** http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Viewr=andbid=6482iid=CA-1530661-1328fn=Frank+Edwardln=Pimentelst=dssrc=pid=29585493 ** ** Eric Edgar ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:16 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: David, Unless you have other family based information, The family shown on the 1910 census may not be yours. A full disclosure of the nature of the information you have would help here. What US documents do you have that identify your father and his birthdate and arrival in the US? ** ** Eric Edgar ** ** On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 6:04 PM, E. Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2013, at 4:21 PM, Gary Pimentel garypimente...@gmail.com wrote: Gary If you google David Pimentel there are pictures and many articles. Quite an interesting person. ** ** E -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. ** ** ** ** -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree
David, Unless you have other family based information, The family shown on the 1910 census may not be yours. A full disclosure of the nature of the information you have would help here. What US documents do you have that identify your father and his birthdate and arrival in the US? Eric Edgar On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 6:04 PM, E. Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2013, at 4:21 PM, Gary Pimentel garypimente...@gmail.com wrote: Gary If you google David Pimentel there are pictures and many articles. Quite an interesting person. E -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree
Gary, You've already stated that your father born in came to the us in 1917 to the East coats. That could not have been the same Frank Pimentel shown on the 1910 census that arrived in 1910. That Frank, son of Manuel and Mary is shown still living in their household in 1920. http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Viewr=andbid=6224iid=4532338_00816fn=Frank+Fln=Pimentalst=dssrc=pid=89145209 This 1930 census shows Frank Pimentel , 32 yrs old divorced in Fresno, immigrated 1915. http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Viewr=andbid=6224iid=4532338_00816fn=Frank+Fln=Pimentalst=dssrc=pid=89145209 This tree at ancestry shows that the Frank Pimentel that died in Fresno in 1963 is the son of Jose de Freitas Pimentel http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/23345118/person/1545889784 You stated that your father died in 1963 in Fresno at 66 yrs of age. The California death Index shows that he was born on 30 Jan 1897 matching my record exactly. The Frank Pimentel shown with Manuel and Mary in Alameda county was born on 12 Sep 1897. That is not your family. http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Viewr=andbid=6482iid=CA-1530714-5484fn=Francisco+Fln=Pimentelst=rssrc=pid=28391243 http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Viewr=andbid=6482iid=CA-1530661-1328fn=Frank+Edwardln=Pimentelst=dssrc=pid=29585493 Eric Edgar On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:16 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: David, Unless you have other family based information, The family shown on the 1910 census may not be yours. A full disclosure of the nature of the information you have would help here. What US documents do you have that identify your father and his birthdate and arrival in the US? Eric Edgar On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 6:04 PM, E. Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2013, at 4:21 PM, Gary Pimentel garypimente...@gmail.com wrote: Gary If you google David Pimentel there are pictures and many articles. Quite an interesting person. E -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree
These two passport documents show Joao de Freitas Pimentel as a brother to Francisco Pimentel, the birthdate of Francisco showing he is in fact the same person that died in Fresno in 1963. They both state the same entry date and Naturalization date for their father, claiming their citizenship through him. Joao, http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=1174iid=32296_649063_0001-00846pid=2182445ssrc=fn=Joao+De+Freitasln=Pimentelst=g Francisco http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=1174iid=32296_620305173_0004-00202pid=2005119ssrc=fn=Francisco+Freitasln=Pimentelst=g This shiplist of the Cretic arriving Boston 1915 is Francisco Freitas heading to Fresno to uncle and aunt Ana Pimentel http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=8745iid=MAT843_234-0354sid=gskw=Francisco+F+Pimentel Eric Edgar On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 9:21 AM, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for digging up that record. The couple was Antonio and Anna Pimentel. She was locally known as Tia Anna Pimentel and ran a boarding house on H street in Fresno where many Azorean immigats would stay until they found a permanent job. Her maiden name was Anna Freitas de Corvello related to my maternal Grandmother. Got to run now, but I'll add to this story as the memory cells awaken. John Vasconcelos On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:44 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: Gary P. Could this be him? It says he is coming from Fajazinha, Flores. Going to Fresno, CA. It looks like the person listed just before him Alberto L. Coelho 17, is going to his Aunt and Uncle Anna Pimentel there is a ditto for Francisco F. Pimentel so were these his parents? If you want me to send you an actual picture of the manifest, send me your personal email address. If this is them you should be able to find them on the CCA site. I do not do this anymore as it is too difficult for me to read. Sorry. E Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 Name:Francisco F Pimentel Arrival Date:13 Jul 1915Age:18Estimated Birth Year:abt 1897http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1new=1MSAV=0msT=1gss=angs-igsfn=frank+freitasgsln=pimentelmswpn__ftp=massachusettsmsbdy=1897uidh=612db=bostonplindiv=1pf=1recid=h=2419718fh=ct=fsk=bsk=# Gender:MalePort of Departure:St Michaels, Azores, PortugalShip Name: CreticPort of Arrival:Boston, Massachusetts Friend's Name:Uncle and Aunt Anna Pimentel, Fresno (see above)Last Residence:FloresBirthplace:Flores On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Gary P, If you don't have a subscription to Ancestry.com, you can go to your local public library to access it. You can look for your dad beginning in the 1940 U.S. Federal Census. Then find him in the 1930 and the 1920. You may be able to find him immigrating into America as well, by checking Ancestry's Immigration Collection. He'll probably be under the name of Francisco and the Frietes may be Freitas, Frates, etc. Once you check under Freitas, you'll also have to check under Pimentel, Pimental, etc. You don't know if he immigrated under the compounded surname or not. All that should answer your question about him living on the east coast. (I'd save a copy of the census too). Those census should also tell you if he was a naturalized citizen or not. You can order his naturalization packet from the USCIS. John Vasconcelos is going to be gone over a couple of weeks. He was born in the Fresno area and says he believes your line was from Fajazinha. My how to guide can be found on the Azores GenWeb here: goo.gl/XXGwQe You may also wish to bookmark the main Azores GenWeb site: http://goo.gl/Vmutv5 Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree
This is his brother Antonio F Pimentel's baptism record http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1891-1910/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1891-1910_item1/P3.html It matches his WW1 draft record http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Viewr=andbid=6482iid=CA-1530714-5481fn=Antonio+Fln=Pimentelst=dssrc=pid=28391240 Eric Edgar On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:31 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: These two passport documents show Joao de Freitas Pimentel as a brother to Francisco Pimentel, the birthdate of Francisco showing he is in fact the same person that died in Fresno in 1963. They both state the same entry date and Naturalization date for their father, claiming their citizenship through him. Joao, http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=1174iid=32296_649063_0001-00846pid=2182445ssrc=fn=Joao+De+Freitasln=Pimentelst=g Francisco http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=1174iid=32296_620305173_0004-00202pid=2005119ssrc=fn=Francisco+Freitasln=Pimentelst=g This shiplist of the Cretic arriving Boston 1915 is Francisco Freitas heading to Fresno to uncle and aunt Ana Pimentel http://search.ancestry.com/content/viewer.aspx?dbid=8745iid=MAT843_234-0354sid=gskw=Francisco+F+Pimentel Eric Edgar On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 9:21 AM, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks for digging up that record. The couple was Antonio and Anna Pimentel. She was locally known as Tia Anna Pimentel and ran a boarding house on H street in Fresno where many Azorean immigats would stay until they found a permanent job. Her maiden name was Anna Freitas de Corvello related to my maternal Grandmother. Got to run now, but I'll add to this story as the memory cells awaken. John Vasconcelos On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:44 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: Gary P. Could this be him? It says he is coming from Fajazinha, Flores. Going to Fresno, CA. It looks like the person listed just before him Alberto L. Coelho 17, is going to his Aunt and Uncle Anna Pimentel there is a ditto for Francisco F. Pimentel so were these his parents? If you want me to send you an actual picture of the manifest, send me your personal email address. If this is them you should be able to find them on the CCA site. I do not do this anymore as it is too difficult for me to read. Sorry. E Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 Boston Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1943 Name:Francisco F Pimentel Arrival Date:13 Jul 1915Age: 18Estimated Birth Year:abt 1897http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1new=1MSAV=0msT=1gss=angs-igsfn=frank+freitasgsln=pimentelmswpn__ftp=massachusettsmsbdy=1897uidh=612db=bostonplindiv=1pf=1recid=h=2419718fh=ct=fsk=bsk=# Gender:MalePort of Departure:St Michaels, Azores, PortugalShip Name: CreticPort of Arrival:Boston, Massachusetts Friend's Name:Uncle and Aunt Anna Pimentel, Fresno (see above)Last Residence:FloresBirthplace: Flores On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Gary P, If you don't have a subscription to Ancestry.com, you can go to your local public library to access it. You can look for your dad beginning in the 1940 U.S. Federal Census. Then find him in the 1930 and the 1920. You may be able to find him immigrating into America as well, by checking Ancestry's Immigration Collection. He'll probably be under the name of Francisco and the Frietes may be Freitas, Frates, etc. Once you check under Freitas, you'll also have to check under Pimentel, Pimental, etc. You don't know if he immigrated under the compounded surname or not. All that should answer your question about him living on the east coast. (I'd save a copy of the census too). Those census should also tell you if he was a naturalized citizen or not. You can order his naturalization packet from the USCIS. John Vasconcelos is going to be gone over a couple of weeks. He was born in the Fresno area and says he believes your line was from Fajazinha. My how to guide can be found on the Azores GenWeb here: goo.gl/XXGwQe You may also wish to bookmark the main Azores GenWeb site: http://goo.gl/Vmutv5 Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree
Gary, I know I've worked on this family before, I think as it relates to the Freitas Henriques family on Flores. My feeling is that it relates to the tenente, Antonio de Freitas Pimentel, military family originally from Santa Cruz das Flores From the birthdate on Frank F Pimentel's WW1 draft card to the CCA site baptisms at Fajazinha http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1891-1910/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1891-1910_item1/P52.html His parents name's as filed in the Casais das Flores book *José de Freitas Pimentel Júnior [30 anos, f.º de António de Freitas Pimentel e de Isabel Maria da Conceição]* * * * c. 1890.05.22* * * * c. Maria Fernandes do Nascimento [24 anos, f.ª de António de Freitas do Nascimento e de Maria Joaquina de Jesus].* * * Grandparents *António de Freitas Pimentel [f.º de José de Freitas Pimentel e de Ana da Conceição]* * * * c. 1853.02.05* * * * c. Isabel Maria da Conceição [f.ª de João de Freitas Henriques e de Ana de Freitas].* * * * * António de Freitas do Nascimento [38 anos, f.º de José de Freitas do * Nascimento e de Ana da Trindade] * * * * c. 1864.01.27 c. Maria Joaquina de ** Jesus [19 anos, f.ª de José Rodrigues Fernandes e de Ana de Jesus]. * * * * * * * He states on the draft card that he is a US citizen by his father's naturalization, so you can search for the father's immigration records. With some time at the CCA site you should be able to gather up the siblings baptism records Eric Edgar On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Gary Pimentel garypimente...@gmail.comwrote: Hi E Manual and Mary had 7 siblings: Manual, John, Joe, Frank, Maria, Alice and Lorraine I never knew about Lorraine or Alice, Don't find them after 1910 census. I also left a message for My half-brother Dr. David Pimentel thanks for your information, Gary ** ** *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *E Sharp *Sent:* Thursday, August 08, 2013 9:51 AM *To:* azores *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree ** ** Gary, grandparents with their six siblings coming into alameda, CA. around 1902. What are your grandparent's names and what are the names of these six siblings besides Manuel and Maria. I have found other information but did not post it until I had some idea that I was looking at the right family. It should be easy to find them on the 1910 census records if they came in 1902. And while it is possible they came into Boston, it is also possible they went on to Fresno right away and not remained on the East Coast as many other did this. Also, it might be possible to contact children of you half siblings. I and others have helped people find family members of their father's children that they did not even know existed until we started the research. E ** ** On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Gary Pimentel garypimente...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nancy, Said to say, But I have never met my half-brother. My father an his two first son's had some falling out when I believe I was born (1944) my fathers and all his brothers all died in the 60's( strokes, heart attacks and the like). Thanks for the information, I will see if there is a contact. Gary. *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Nancy Couto *Sent:* Wednesday, August 07, 2013 7:12 PM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree Gary, have you had any contact with your half brother David Pimentel? I don't know what sort of family dynamic you're dealing with, but because he is older he may remember valuable details about your father's history, the sort of information you wouldn't be able to get from public records. As an emeritus professor, he probably keeps irregular hours, but you might be able to reach him easily by email. Here is his contact information, according to the Cornell website: http://www.cornell.edu/search/?tab=peoplenetid=dp18q=Pimentel I live in Ithaca and have heard of Professor Pimentel, but I don't know him. I wish you luck in your search. Nancy On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 8:57 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote:*** * There is a WWI record for a Francisco F. Pimentel b. January 30, 1897, lived in Fowler CA. Born in Flores. Says he is a US citizen by his father Antone F. Pimental, Jr. If he is the Francisco F. Pimentel who died in 1963 in Sanger, his mother's maiden name is listed as Denascim??? Let me know if I am on the right track. E On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 5:44 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote:*** * Gary P. Could this be him? It says he is coming from Fajazinha, Flores. Going to Fresno, CA. It looks like the person listed just before him Alberto L. Coelho 17, is going to his Aunt
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A DIAS breakthrough… that I'd love some help with, please.
Julie, I'd be inclined to think that by pronunciation the Graties is Rodrigues. The father being Manuel Rodrigues Dias. The son Francisco Dias. I have research a number of Azores families that traveled to Australia and New Zealand Eric Edgar On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:08 PM, jooq...@gmail.com wrote: I've just found this entry in Australia of a family I've been researching, believing Francis is my ancestor's sibling. Could someone please help me find Peekpike? It's come up before as Peak Pike in other records (as being in Western Isles) yet even more records suggest Francis came from Faial, where I can find no village or parish with such a name. I'd know that Manwell will be Manuel, but what of the middle name of the father, in proper Portuguese, please? The Sydney Morning Herald Tuesday 2 October 1866 On the 26th of September, by special licence, by the Rev. Dr. Fullerton, FRANCIS DIAS, third son of Manwell Graties Dias, of Peekpike, Portugal, to BRIDGET, the third daughter of Mr. DANIEL REDEN, of Sussex-street, Sydney. *(The original entry is bent, so Peekpike and Daniel Reden are both best guesses by someone who’s edited it previously)* Thank you in anticipation of some help… this is the closest to a thirty year brick wall tumbling down that I've got. Julie M. Skellern New Zealand jo...@maxnet.co.nz -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas
John, What was the date of death on the certificate for Joseph Dyce? The California death index shows he died 30 May 1915, but the interment from the cemetery record was October 18 1915. Who was the informant? Eric Edgar On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 12:40 PM, John Machado john.e.mach...@gmail.comwrote: I have been away from the hunt lately but easing back into it. Regarding the above topic, I have a new lead or should I say mystery. The Mary E. Nichols (Possibly AKA Maria Esabella Rodrigues), maiden name Mary E. Roderick, arrived on or about 1868 giving birth to Mary Agnes Silva in Buffalo, NY. The very next year, she gave birth to another child Joseph Dyce, in Oakland, CA. By 1880, she was married to Joseph Nichols according to the 1880 Federal Census for Oakland, CA. I know she remarried at least once due to a family photo notating Step Father in regards to Joseph Nicholas. However, I was thinking the first husband (Joseph Silva) could have possibly changed his name to Dyce. Just yesterday, I received the death cert for the child born in CA(Joseph Dyce) and it lists Joseph DYCE, b. Massachusetts as the father. The daughter born in Buffalo, NY death cert said her father was Joseph Silva born in the Azores. I am so confused. Either she got around, or I am missing something. I understand the death certs are only as good as the informants. Anyway, the hunt continues. Joseph Dyce the son died May 30, 1915 at the San Leandro, CA County Infirmary. His occupation was a Marine Fireman. I am not sure if that means he was a firefighter for the docks or Marine as in military. Another mystery find. I found a newspaper clipping in the notice section that read; Dec 19, 1901 --Joseph Silva or Dyce, son of Mary Foote (Silva) deed to Mary A Pereira or Perry and C F Pereira, All int N Park... Where did Foote come in? Mary E. Roderick (Silva,Nichols) died in Nov 1,1901. So I assume this is transferring of the estate. In the 1900 federal census she is listed as Mary E. Nichols. I can tie everything together based on the address. In the end, I am no further along than I was in Feb. As always, thank you to this community for helping in many ways. John Machado -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Rosa Santos 1869-1950
I don't see any trace of this family in Massachucetts birth or marriage records, censuses or city directories for Taunton from 1890 to 1900. The Joseph Bettencourt families found in all Massachucetts in 1900 all contain children other than those listed in your message. Eric Edgar On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 11:20 AM, rondo ranch ro...@lightspeed.net wrote: -Last time I visited the Taunton area, the local library had a Portuguese Genealogy room. In that room were index card for all the Portuguese people of that area. Maybe call them to see if they have anything on Maria Rosa Santos or this family? Doreen CaetanoJungk Original Message- From: lrleele...@gmail.com Sent: Aug 3, 2013 4:29 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Rosa Santos 1869-1950 Maria Rosa Santos was b. 1 Jun 1869 in the Azores (likely Pico), and d. 12 Oct. 1950 in Fresno, CA. She m. Joseph C. Bettencourt (b. 1865, Ilha do Pico, Azores; d. Aft 1928, Watsonville, Santa Cruz, CA) abt. 1885 and they had four children: Mary Silva Bettencourt, b. 16 Apr 1886 in Azores (likely Pico); and Fanny, Annie, and Joseph Muchado Bettencourt all b.1888 to 1896 in Taunton, Bristol, MA. I've been unable to find Maria's Azores ancestry, but have her husband's parents. I'm new to Azores research and need help in finding Maria's parents, grandparents, etc. These are ancestors of my Portugese mother, also b. Taunton, Bristol, MA and whose family settled in the San Joaquin Valley of California. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Rosa Santos 1869-1950
BETTENCOURT MARIA ROSA 1869 06 01 mothers last- PERRY fathers last -SANTOS FEMALE RE FRESNO 1950 10 12 81 On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 7:29 AM, lrleele...@gmail.com wrote: Maria Rosa Santos was b. 1 Jun 1869 in the Azores (likely Pico), and d. 12 Oct. 1950 in Fresno, CA. She m. Joseph C. Bettencourt (b. 1865, Ilha do Pico, Azores; d. Aft 1928, Watsonville, Santa Cruz, CA) abt. 1885 and they had four children: Mary Silva Bettencourt, b. 16 Apr 1886 in Azores (likely Pico); and Fanny, Annie, and Joseph Muchado Bettencourt all b.1888 to 1896 in Taunton, Bristol, MA. I've been unable to find Maria's Azores ancestry, but have her husband's parents. I'm new to Azores research and need help in finding Maria's parents, grandparents, etc. These are ancestors of my Portugese mother, also b. Taunton, Bristol, MA and whose family settled in the San Joaquin Valley of California. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lajes, Pico Baptism Records 1906
Here's the link to the baptism record on the bottom of the second page http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1904-1907/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1904-1907_item1/P89.html The CCA folders are set up a little funny, with some overlap on years, but they seem to all be there up to 1911. Eric Edgar On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:54 AM, rondo ranch ro...@lightspeed.net wrote: There is also one on Pico. D -Original Message- From: gra...@frontier.com Sent: Jul 30, 2013 5:41 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Cc: rondo ranch **, ro...@lightspeed.net Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lajes, Pico Baptism Records 1906 I thought Lajes was in Flores? My mother was born in flores, Margarida de Freitas Vieira Araujo On Thursday, July 18, 2013 11:02:56 AM UTC-7, rondo ranch wrote: I'm helping a friend start her family tree. I have very little to go on and now there seems to be a large gap in the records for Lajes. I'm looking for Mary Jo Joaquin born on 9/2/1906 in Lajes, Pico. She is the child of Jose Machado Joaquin and Maria Rosa. Jose Machado Joaquin was born 11/1861 in Lajes and his wife was born 2/1868 in the same village. Jose is the child of Antonio Machado Joaquin and Catarina L. Macedo both born in Lajes on unknown dates. Maria Rosa was the daughter of Antonio da Rosa and Catarina da Rosa(?), both born in Lajes on unknown dates. Maybe I'm reading the records wrong but there are not very many pages listed on the CCA site for this village at this time period. Can anyone help me get back on track? Does any one know about the Joaquin family in Lajes? Thanks Doreen Caetano Jungk -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. ** -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.
No, I've had no response on this from the original poster, ERic Edgar On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Robin Borba Besotes beso...@succeed.netwrote: LOL OP = Original Post(er) On Monday, July 22, 2013 8:32:06 AM UTC-7, luiznoia wrote: I don't know what an OP is. Eric Edgar On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Robin Borba Besotes bes...@succeed.net wrote: Hello Eric, I'm not sure yet. Need more information from the OP to see if we have a connection. Could be as they both come from Flores and are descendants of Caetano, Garcia and Jacinto's settling in Massachusetts before coming to Northern California. Eric, this is the line you and I spoke about before (DeRosa). The person you emailed me about a while back - his 2nd or 3rd Great Grandmother Philomena was Luisa's Niece. Luisa is my 2nd Great Grandmother. Your person and I share the same 2nd or 3rd Great Grandfather. Both of these women (the Aunt and Niece) were married to the same man. Did you find a connection to the OP of this thread by chance? ~Robin Borba Besotes On Monday, July 15, 2013 3:14:29 PM UTC-7, luiznoia wrote: Robin, Do these people connect to this Caetano family, or do you mean to start a new thread? Eric Edgar On Saturday, July 13, 2013 12:17:29 PM UTC-7, rose.zb...@gmail.comwrote: My great grandmother died in 1953, when I was 5, said name was Caton. Filomema Polycena. Said her parents were from Flores.. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group**/Azoreshttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group**/azoreshttp://groups.google.com/group/azores . -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/Azoreshttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/azoreshttp://groups.google.com/group/azores . -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.
I don't know what an OP is. Eric Edgar On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Robin Borba Besotes beso...@succeed.netwrote: Hello Eric, I'm not sure yet. Need more information from the OP to see if we have a connection. Could be as they both come from Flores and are descendants of Caetano, Garcia and Jacinto's settling in Massachusetts before coming to Northern California. Eric, this is the line you and I spoke about before (DeRosa). The person you emailed me about a while back - his 2nd or 3rd Great Grandmother Philomena was Luisa's Niece. Luisa is my 2nd Great Grandmother. Your person and I share the same 2nd or 3rd Great Grandfather. Both of these women (the Aunt and Niece) were married to the same man. Did you find a connection to the OP of this thread by chance? ~Robin Borba Besotes On Monday, July 15, 2013 3:14:29 PM UTC-7, luiznoia wrote: Robin, Do these people connect to this Caetano family, or do you mean to start a new thread? Eric Edgar On Saturday, July 13, 2013 12:17:29 PM UTC-7, rose.zb...@gmail.comwrote: My great grandmother died in 1953, when I was 5, said name was Caton. Filomema Polycena. Said her parents were from Flores.. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/Azoreshttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/azoreshttp://groups.google.com/group/azores . -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria Guiterra/Quitéria of Santa Cruz das Flores
Steve, The Manuel Rodrigues Quiteria and Sebastiana de Jesus is an erroneous entry by the priest . All other entries of the time period for their children show him as Manuel Rodrigues Silvestre. I show nine children with three obitos for Manuel and Sebastianna from 1840 to 1858 in the Santa Cruz records. It may have been done to differentiate him from another Manuel Rodrugues Silvestre ( son of Silvestre Antonio Rodrigues and Maria de Jesus, and husband of Ana Vitoria) who was living in town at the same time. Eric Edgar On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Steve woodrowme...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Eric and Rick for translation and information. It looks like there is indeed a link to Sebastiana and Quitéria, as I'm seeking, although Quitéria is the grandmother: Maria (23 Dec 1854) legitimate daughter of Manoel Rodrigues Silvestre Sebastiana de Jesus Paternal granddaughter of Manuel Rodrigues Silvestre and Quiteira de Jesus Maternal granddaughter of Antonio Jose Pimentel Carneiro and Anna Ignacia The evidence looks tantalizing if Marie called herself Marie do Céu upon immigration, married in Massachusetts as Marie S Ceao, and her death certificate informant remembered her maiden name as something like Guiterra. Sound like a stretch? -- You asked what I had that leads to seeking Sebastiana and Quitéria lineage. Here is the line of evidence: *Mary Pimentel Guiterra* Birth Dec 1854 in Flores Island, Azores, Portugal Death 20 Aug 1936 in Contra Costa County, California Guiterra comes from one record, Calif Death Index. (= Quitéria ?) Pimentel likely came from husband since initial P used only in later records. Birth date is from 1900 US Census (but gravestone has 1853); Calif Death Record has age 82: 20 Aug 1936 - 23 Dec 1854 = 81 yrs, 7 mos, 28 d. married to *Mathew Pimental Renas* Birth 19 Mar 1844 in Santa Cruz, Flores, Azores, Portugal Death Mar 1891 in Brentwood, Contra Costa, California = Matheus Pimentel Ramos (1873 immigration) = Mathew Minta (1880 US Census only), thereafter = Mathew Pimental Renas *Immigration* 6 Aug 1873 Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, USA Boston Passenger Crew Lists 1820-1943. From Flores aboard Kate Williams: Matheus Pimental Ramos, age 29 [1844], Male, occupation Mariner, Azores, immigration USA, Steerage with next line Maria de Ceo, age 18 [1855], Female, Azores, immigration USA, Steerage Presently contemplating this *possible marriage record*: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NW1D-71F Name: Matthews Manta Ramas Event Type: Marriage (first for both) Event Date: 23 Aug 1873 Event Place:Weymouth, Massachusetts Residence: Cohasset, Massachusetts Occupation: Laborer Gender: Male Age:28 Birth Year (Est): 1845 Birth Place: Western Isles Father's Name: Manuel Mother's Name: Mary Spouse's Name: Maria S Ceao Residence: Cohasset, Massachusetts Spouse's Age:18 Spouse's Birth Year (Est.) 1855 Birth Place: Western Isles Spouse's Father's Name: Manuel S. Spouse's Mother's Name: Sebastian …which is close to the 1873 immigration data, but I'm having difficulty with Mathew and Marie traveling together unmarried, though marrying several weeks later in MA. Perhaps they were chaperoned. Then I looked for Marie's possible parents, say Quitéria and Sebastiana, in 'Casais das Flores e do Corvo': João de Medeiros da Silveira [23 anos, n. Relva, Ponta Delgada, São Miguel , f.º de Francisco de Medeiros e de Jacinta Rosa] c. 1877.11.10 c. Maria da Glória [31 anos, f.ª de Manuel Rodrigues Quitéria e de Sebastiana de Jesus]. However, there are no other listings involving Manuel Rodrigues Quitéria e de Sebastiana de Jesus. Steve -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Guiterra/Quitéria of Santa Cruz das Flores
Steve, I looked at the wrong page. I see it now. It looks to me like Manoel Rodrigues Silvestre and Sebastiana de Jesus Paternos : Manuel Rodrigues Silvestre and Quiteria de Jesus Maternos ; Antonio Jose Pimentel Carneiro and Anna Ignacia From the Casais Das Flores Book Manuel Rodrigues Silvestre [f.º de Manuel Rodrigues Silvestre e de Quitéria de Jesus] c. 1836.09.18 c. Sebastiana de São José [f.ª de António José Pimentel Carneiro e de Ana Inácia]. marriage records for paternos Manuel Rodrigues Silvestre [f.º de Francisco Rodrigues Silvestre e de Ana Pimentel] c. 1790.01.28 c. Quitéria de Jesus [f.ª de Francisco Furtado Miguel e de Maria Pimentel]. for Maternos António José Pimentel [f.º de Manuel Rodrigues Carneiro e de Ana Pimentel] c. 1800.08.24 c. Ana Isabel de Jesus [f.ª de Manuel Inácio de Sousa Maciel e de Vitória Inácia Maciel]. Eric Edgar On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 10:05 AM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Steve, This is the last baptism of 1855. Parents are Jose Furtado Rodrigues and Maria de Luz I've seen a record of Manuel Rodrigues Quitéria and Sebastiana de Jesus as Parents of the Bride from 1877. What do you have that leads you to these parents? I'l look around some. Eric Edgar On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 4:53 AM, Steve woodrowme...@gmail.com wrote: In tracking down a Mary Guiterra in the USA, I've concluded Guiterra is likely an Americanization of Quitéria. Mary was born on Flores, most likely in Santa Cruz das Flores and likely in December 1854. I think she emigrated under the simple name of Marie do Céu (de Ceu) in 1873. I believe Manuel Rodrigues Quitéria and Sebastiana de Jesus had a daughter, Maria, born in late 1854 in Santa Cruz das Flores. It looks to me as the last baptism of the year 1854: http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857_item1/P184.html Would someone please help me make out Maria's birth date and parents' names? Thanks, Steve -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Guiterra/Quitéria of Santa Cruz das Flores
Steve, I have a branch of this family in my files. The sister of Manuel Roodrigues Silvestre , Maria de Jesus married Antonio de Fraga Noia in Santa Cruz in 1790. From their children descend four of the Noia families that settled in Contra Costa county California from 1860 forward. Email me privately for more. Eric Edgar On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote: *I can make out most of it. Maria legitimate daughter of Manoel Rodrigues Silvestre and Sebastiana de Jesus Paternal granddaughter of Manuel Rodrigues Silvestre and Quiteira de Jesus, Maternal granddaughter of Antonio Jose Pimentel Carreiro and Anna Ignacia, Born 23 Dec 1854* * * *Rick* ** ** *Richard Francis Pimentel* *Spring, TX* *Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire * ** ** * * *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve *Sent:* Sunday, July 21, 2013 6:53 AM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Guiterra/Quitéria of Santa Cruz das Flores ** ** In tracking down a Mary Guiterra in the USA, I've concluded Guiterra is likely an Americanization of Quitéria. Mary was born on Flores, most likely in Santa Cruz das Flores and likely in December 1854. I think she emigrated under the simple name of Marie do Céu (de Ceu) in 1873. I believe Manuel Rodrigues Quitéria and Sebastiana de Jesus had a daughter, Maria, born in late 1854 in Santa Cruz das Flores. It looks to me as the last baptism of the year 1854: http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857_item1/P184.html Would someone please help me make out Maria's birth date and parents' names? Thanks, Steve -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Valverde, Madalena, Pico
Doreen, This is the site to poke around in. Find Pico, then Madelena, then Concelho do Madelena. You can search by name. You switch it to english. Use the portuguese spelling of names, it seems to get better results, so Joaquim. http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias.html Eric Edgar On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:19 AM, rondo ranch ro...@lightspeed.net wrote: I trying to help friend connect with her past. Her father was Antonio Rodrigues Serpa born 10/9/1893 in Valverde, Madalena, Pico. Antonio's mother was Ana Luiza Perreira born 9/17/1855 in same place. His father was Joaquin Rodrigues Serpa born in unknown location in Portugal. I have looked on CCA website and I think I found her father's baptism record: Madalena Baptism 1887-1893 page 101-2 #42. Is there anyone working on this family? Is here anyone familiar with this village? I need help (probably in more ways than just this one:))Thanks Doreen CaetanoJungk -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.
Caetano is a common given name and a common surname in Flores. There is no village of Caetano I've seen there. The link to Azores records online is: http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/ Without establishing her birthplace, then parents birthplace, the records are just a blind fishing expedition. Eric Edgar On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Cindy D kcci...@aol.com wrote: I have Caetano from Lages, Flores in my maternal side, although haven't accumulated enough documentation to know exactly how it all connects. I'm still floundering around with all the surname confusion. My g-g-grandmother was Caetano according to my g-grandmother's birth record from Lages, Floresheck, I thought Caetano was the name of a village. Learning more as I go along. My g-grandmother came to New Bedford/Fairhaven when she was 15 in 1895, she lived and died in 1957 in Bristol County, Mass. You can search the Flores church records online which is how I found my g-grandma's birth record. I also found her parents marriage after studying a few Portuguese words to help me and using Bing's translator, I'm sure the administrators have the link they can post for you. Cindy D Out on the hot Kansas Prairie where being steamed means something else. On Saturday, July 13, 2013 2:17:29 PM UTC-5, rose.zb...@gmail.com wrote: My great grandmother died in 1953, when I was 5, said name was Caton. Filomema Polycena. Said her parents were from Flores. Her mother was pregnant with her, one of 14?. Went to Mass., then Ashland area of Bay Area because other family/friends lived there. Somewhere around turn of the century, both parents died of possibly influenza. All children given to family and or friends. Great Grandma was give to friend of Father's who lived in Mission San Jose. Married eventually to Manuel Alvernaz from Pico,changed name to Harvey. I don't know why, maybe sounded more Americanized.I was blessed to have known her. She had 4 children, 2 dying in a terrible home fire when stove exploded., and My Grandmother, Helen Evelyn Alvernaz Harvey, died in 1970, and Clarence Harvey,died in the late 1980s.My Portuguese side has connections deeply in Mission San Jose.Family names, Caetano, Caton, Garcia, Andrade, and Harvey.Would appreciate any info, especially about Ashland years or those in Massachusetts. Also all very active in Holy Ghost Festas,Garcia from Castelo Blanco,Fayal. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.
Manuel A Harvey is shown on the 1900 census in Murray Twnshp, Alameda co, Ca born May 1870 Portugal and immigrated in 1887. He is single, an employee of the Remmillard Brick works in Pleasanton. The marriage would be likely in Alameda county 1900-1904. Eric Edgar On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:23 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: OK. A start. Here they are in the 1910 census Family126 - County Road, Washington, Alameda County CA Manuel A. Harvey 37 b. abt. 1873 Portugal, married 6 years, 2 children born 2 children living, to US abt. 1900, farmer wife: Polcena Harvey 21 b. abt. 1889 CA ch: Helen 4 b. abt. 1906 CA Clarence T. 1 b. abt. 1909 CA I think this is them in 1920 census Farm 10, Niles Mission Road, Washington Irvington District, Alameda Co. CA: Manl A. Harvey 41 b. Azores to US 1909 wife: Mary?? 31 b. CA parents b. Azores ch: Helen 14 b. CA Now I will work on trying to find per parents in 1900 census. Should be able to find her birth record somewhere. Elaine -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.
If we look at the total information of the posts, then these are not the parents of Mary Policena Harvey. The Obit for Manuel Caton states that he leaves two daughters and a son. Both of his daughters Carry and Josephine are accounted for on the 1920 census. This Caton family never left Barnstable county it seems from the arrival in the 1860s until ther parents deaths. We need to rule them out and start over. Eric Edgar On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:16 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Here's the Calfornia death index for her HARVEY MARY POLCENA 1888 01 11 Fathers last- CATON FEMALE MA ALAMEDA 1953 04 28 65 1298843 The 1900 census shows her Manuel F and Philomena F Caton in Provincetown. He's a fisherman. Mother shows 14 children born 4 living. Two daughters are in the household. We know that the father died in 1918, and the mother was alive in 1920, in the house with the other two daughters. I can't quite get how the Mary Policena can connect to the Caton family in Provincetown. Anyone? Eric Edgar On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 12:17 PM, rose.zbyzen...@gmail.com wrote: My great grandmother died in 1953, when I was 5, said name was Caton. Filomema Polycena. Said her parents were from Flores. Her mother was pregnant with her, one of 14?. Went to Mass., then Ashland area of Bay Area because other family/friends lived there. Somewhere around turn of the century, both parents died of possibly influenza. All children given to family and or friends. Great Grandma was give to friend of Father's who lived in Mission San Jose. Married eventually to Manuel Alvernaz from Pico,changed name to Harvey. I don't know why, maybe sounded more Americanized.I was blessed to have known her. She had 4 children, 2 dying in a terrible home fire when stove exploded., and My Grandmother, Helen Evelyn Alvernaz Harvey, died in 1970, and Clarence Harvey,died in the late 1980s.My Portuguese side has connections deeply in Mission San Jose.Family names, Caetano, Caton, Garcia, Andrade, and Harvey.Would appreciate any info, especially about Ashland years or those in Massachusetts. Also all very active in Holy Ghost Festas,Garcia from Castelo Blanco,Fayal. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.
Robin, Do these people connect to this Caetano family, or do you mean to start a new thread? Eric Edgar On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Robin Borba Besotes beso...@succeed.netwrote: My 2nd great grandmother was: Luisa Canhoto JacintaBorn 1847 in Santa Cruz das, Flores, Azores Death Jan 22 1879 in San Juan or Hollister, California Her parents were: Manuel Canhoto Jacinta Mariana Julia da Gloria Rodrigues 1810 - Her widower married Luisa's Niece: Filomena Jacinto Birth 21 Sep 1878 or 1862 in Flores, Azores, Portugal Death 16 Aug 1952 in Contra Costa, CA Luisa, above came to Massachusetts as well, then onto San Juan, California. She married Daniel Francisco DeRosa (from Pico). They had two children. She died a few months after giving birth to twins (one twin being my Great Grandmother). Daniel married Luisa's niece Filomena. They had five children between this marriage. When I went to San Benito County, California to do research I too was told the family names on this line were: Caetano, Garcia as well as Jacinto and Rodrigues. All these name have panned out and were correct. Some took on Caetano, some Jacinto, etc. Feel free to email me at besotes (at) succeed.net. I have met another genealogy person who is related on this line as well. He's not on this group, or I'd introduce you to him. All the best, Robin Borba Besotes On Saturday, July 13, 2013 12:17:29 PM UTC-7, rose.zb...@gmail.com wrote: My great grandmother died in 1953, when I was 5, said name was Caton. Filomema Polycena. Said her parents were from Flores.. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Plymouth, MA Family
Dick, Francisca Nunes da Silva arrived on the Penninsular from Fayal to New Bedford 28 June 1906 , her address left is Bandeiras , Pico and her destination is aunt Rita Aurelia at 215 N Front St New Bedford There is a stamp on that document showing the verification of Entry relating to her June 1933 arrival with her husband. A Rita Aurelia arrived on the Fredonia in Oct of 1870 from Fayal , she was 26 yrs, born 1844. Eric Edgar On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Dick Boba dickieb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Aztec. My mother's maiden name is Jesse. Frank Jesse, from North Plymouth, Massachusetts is my great-uncle. There were four brothers. Manual, Frank, Ted and Antoine. Antoine is my grandfather. One of Frank's grandchildren is my cousin Scott Jesse, and we have discussed the family to great length. He is not into computers and I don't live in Plymouth anymore so I don't get to see him at all so most of what he told me about Frank and his wing of the Jesse family was verbal and in my memory. My mother's sisters have recently provided us with verbal recordings (tapes) of their early family history which I have not fully processed yet. They were all very fiercly proud hard workers, middle income, which was quite an accomplishment in the early 20th century for Portuguese immigrants to America, so you can be proud of that. They provided for their families as boat builders and fishermen. They had their own boatyard in North Plymouth. The Jesse boat building business survives to this day. They all lived on Castle Street in North Plymouth, Ma. They have many descendants who are still strongly populated in the eastern Massachusetts and Rhode Island area and many of the cousins are very strongly connected. Our wing of the Jesse family (Antone's descendants) ave a family reunion every year in August at a campground in New Hampshire. My mother has told me her grandfather and grandmother (Frank's parents) were John and Mary (Jesse) that they came to North Plymouth in the late 1800s, around 1880 or 1890 from some kind of vessel by way of Bermuda. It is confirmed they came from Azores (San Miguel) but before that Portugal and even before that from France (the name Jacinth has French roots) but we have not been able to trace that far back. They are all buried in Vine Hills cemetery in Plymouth, Ma. There are many Jesse graves there, that I have visited and examined myself. A distant relative from Plymouth has given me a database and photos he was working on of the early family tree. I have been combining this with the verbal recordings and our own family photos. I would be glad to send everything I have to you if you provide me with an email address (privately). There is also a wealth of information in this blog posting that I did not have which I will pencil in concerning the Azores connections and locations. The pre-Plymouth history has always been a great mystery to us Jesse descendants. Our parents simply do not know, and the 1st and 2nd generations have all long since passed and kept no records. So it's up to us children to piece it all together! I have attached a photo of the four brothers, which I am told was taken on my grandfather's wedding day in Fall River, MA, sometime in the 1930s. Frank is the one with the dark moustache. They also called him Blackie Jesse. On Wednesday, March 4, 2009 5:56:26 PM UTC-6, Aztec wrote: I am new to this group so please be patient. I have been trying to research my Portuguese roots with little to no lucky. My Grandfather was a ship builder in Plymouth named Frank Jesse (Jacintho?). He married Francis Nunes de Silva. I have the Ellis island report of my Grandfather coming to the US (twice) but am having no luck with my Grandmother. My GGrandfather was also Frank (Francisco?) Jesse (Jacintho?). His wife was Jacintha Jacintho (maiden name same as married name). Both Franks came from San Miguel, and Francis came from Pico. My mother always said her mother had a sister in California. Can anyone help me with my research? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Plymouth, MA Family
Carmen, I see the page. That shows her residence as Bandeiras, but the daughters birthplace isn't more specific than Pico. I took a look around the other towns in Madelena concelho, but could find anyone close to Francis or her parents. ERic Edgar On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 1:36 PM, carmen furtado carmen_furt...@yahoo.comwrote: edgar at ancestry.com - search frances n. jesse - new york passenger list - arrival october 5, 1933 - ship augustus - look at the second page of the manifest - mother-in law - mary nunes silva - pico - bandeiras - azores carmen ** *From:* eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com *To:* Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, June 30, 2013 2:54 PM *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Plymouth, MA Family Carmen, In the Jesse tree there are the Nunes and Silva families with records in Madelena, Pico. In a search of the NEPS site for PIco, I can find no records to match these. What is the source of the information? Eric Edgar On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 8:34 AM, carmen furtado carmen_furt...@yahoo.comwrote: hi dick aztec's family is related to me by marriage here's what i have on the jesse family - boat builders http://home.comcast.net/~carmen_furtado/ances-tree/2_1922aj_t.htm click on anna jesse's name internet explorer 9 or previous versions are needed as the other browsers and internet explorer 10 can only read html5 files i am in the process of redoing all my files to html5 and have deleted most of the clickable links i would appreciate any photo scans of any of these people thanks carmen ** *From:* Dick Boba dickieb...@gmail.com *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Cc:* Azores Genealogy Azores@googlegroups.com; aztec1...@yahoo.com *Sent:* Friday, June 28, 2013 7:32 AM *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Plymouth, MA Family Hi Aztec. My mother's maiden name is Jesse. Frank Jesse, from North Plymouth, Massachusetts is my great-uncle. There were four brothers. Manual, Frank, Ted and Antoine. Antoine is my grandfather. One of Frank's grandchildren is my cousin Scott Jesse, and we have discussed the family to great length. He is not into computers and I don't live in Plymouth anymore so I don't get to see him at all so most of what he told me about Frank and his wing of the Jesse family was verbal and in my memory. My mother's sisters have recently provided us with verbal recordings (tapes) of their early family history which I have not fully processed yet. They were all very fiercly proud hard workers, middle income, which was quite an accomplishment in the early 20th century for Portuguese immigrants to America, so you can be proud of that. They provided for their families as boat builders and fishermen. They had their own boatyard in North Plymouth. The Jesse boat building business survives to this day. They all lived on Castle Street in North Plymouth, Ma. They have many descendants who are still strongly populated in the eastern Massachusetts and Rhode Island area and many of the cousins are very strongly connected. Our wing of the Jesse family (Antone's descendants) ave a family reunion every year in August at a campground in New Hampshire. My mother has told me her grandfather and grandmother (Frank's parents) were John and Mary (Jesse) that they came to North Plymouth in the late 1800s, around 1880 or 1890 from some kind of vessel by way of Bermuda. It is confirmed they came from Azores (San Miguel) but before that Portugal and even before that from France (the name Jacinth has French roots) but we have not been able to trace that far back. They are all buried in Vine Hills cemetery in Plymouth, Ma. There are many Jesse graves there, that I have visited and examined myself. A distant relative from Plymouth has given me a database and photos he was working on of the early family tree. I have been combining this with the verbal recordings and our own family photos. I would be glad to send everything I have to you if you provide me with an email address (privately). There is also a wealth of information in this blog posting that I did not have which I will pencil in concerning the Azores connections and locations. The pre-Plymouth history has always been a great mystery to us Jesse descendants. Our parents simply do not know, and the 1st and 2nd generations have all long since passed and kept no records. So it's up to us children to piece it all together! I have attached a photo of the four brothers, which I am told was taken on my grandfather's wedding day in Fall River, MA, sometime in the 1930s. Frank is the one with the dark moustache. They also called him Blackie Jesse. On Wednesday, March 4, 2009 5:56:26 PM UTC-6, Aztec wrote: I am new to this group so please be patient. I have been trying to research my Portuguese roots with little to no lucky. My Grandfather was a ship builder in Plymouth named Frank Jesse (Jacintho?). He married Francis Nunes de
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Melo Family (deMello, Mello)
Francisco Vieira Cardosohttp://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;m=P;v=francisco+vieira+cardoso Melohttp://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;m=N;v=melo[image: ]http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;i=7616;oc=353 [image: ^^] http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt; - Nascido a 12 de Outubro de 1831 - Lajes do Pico - Falecido a 10 de Março de 1898 - Lajes do Pico - Com a idade de 66 anos Pais - Manuel Vieira Cardosohttp://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;p=manuel+vieira;n=cardoso;oc=4 *1799-1838* - Jerónima Amor Divinohttp://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;p=jeronima+amor;n=divino *+1874* Casamentos e filhos - Casado *a 12 de Agosto de 1859* com Rita Conceição Melohttp://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;p=rita+conceicao;n=melo *1834-1916*, tiveram - Francisco ?http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;i=7616;oc=353 *1860* - Maria Rita Santoshttp://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;p=maria+rita;n=santos *1875-1936* - Maria ?http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;i=7618;oc=597 *1878* - Mateus Ináciohttp://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;m=P;v=mateus+inacio Xavierhttp://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;m=N;v=xavier[image: ]http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;i=8216;oc=207 [image: ^^] http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt; - Nascido a 20 de Setembro de 1833 - Lajes do Pico - Falecido Pais - António Inácio Xavierhttp://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;p=antonio+inacio;n=xavier *1808-1865* - Maria Francisca São Joséhttp://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;p=maria+francisca+sao;n=jose;oc=1 *+1879* Casamentos e filhos - Casado *a 9 de Janeiro de 1854* com Maria Delfina Xavierhttp://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;p=maria+delfina;n=xavier *1833-1915*, tiveram - Maria Delfinahttp://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;p=maria;n=delfina *1854-1927* - Catarina ?http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;i=8215;oc=206 *1858-1860* - Catarina ?http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;i=8216;oc=207 *1860* - Laureana ?http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;i=8217;oc=14 *1872* - Manuel ?http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Lajes;lang=pt;i=8218;oc=737 *1876* - On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Shirley srfa...@cccomm.net wrote: On Sunday, January 16, 2011 10:23:45 PM UTC-8, Shirley wrote: My Grandfather's name was Francisco Vieira Mello (deMello), born in Lajes do Pico, Azores, Portugal. There is some reason to believe that his father's name was also Francisco Vieira Mello (deMello). The birthdate for my Grandfather is 3/18/1859. He married Catherine (Catarina) d'conceicao Xavier. The birthplace I have for her is Silveira do Pico, Azores, Portugal, birthdate 10/26/1860). I do have some information on her. It is believed that there were 3 sons who came. My grandfather stayed in California and the other two went back east. Spent a beautiful 2 weeks in the Azores in 2004. Never found any relatives but I am sure I may have sat next to one or two of them without knowing it. Any information greatly appreciated; Shirley Mello Fabel srfa...@cccomm.net -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Plymouth, MA Family
Carmen, In the Jesse tree there are the Nunes and Silva families with records in Madelena, Pico. In a search of the NEPS site for PIco, I can find no records to match these. What is the source of the information? Eric Edgar On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 8:34 AM, carmen furtado carmen_furt...@yahoo.comwrote: hi dick aztec's family is related to me by marriage here's what i have on the jesse family - boat builders http://home.comcast.net/~carmen_furtado/ances-tree/2_1922aj_t.htm click on anna jesse's name internet explorer 9 or previous versions are needed as the other browsers and internet explorer 10 can only read html5 files i am in the process of redoing all my files to html5 and have deleted most of the clickable links i would appreciate any photo scans of any of these people thanks carmen ** *From:* Dick Boba dickieb...@gmail.com *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Cc:* Azores Genealogy Azores@googlegroups.com; aztec1...@yahoo.com *Sent:* Friday, June 28, 2013 7:32 AM *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Plymouth, MA Family Hi Aztec. My mother's maiden name is Jesse. Frank Jesse, from North Plymouth, Massachusetts is my great-uncle. There were four brothers. Manual, Frank, Ted and Antoine. Antoine is my grandfather. One of Frank's grandchildren is my cousin Scott Jesse, and we have discussed the family to great length. He is not into computers and I don't live in Plymouth anymore so I don't get to see him at all so most of what he told me about Frank and his wing of the Jesse family was verbal and in my memory. My mother's sisters have recently provided us with verbal recordings (tapes) of their early family history which I have not fully processed yet. They were all very fiercly proud hard workers, middle income, which was quite an accomplishment in the early 20th century for Portuguese immigrants to America, so you can be proud of that. They provided for their families as boat builders and fishermen. They had their own boatyard in North Plymouth. The Jesse boat building business survives to this day. They all lived on Castle Street in North Plymouth, Ma. They have many descendants who are still strongly populated in the eastern Massachusetts and Rhode Island area and many of the cousins are very strongly connected. Our wing of the Jesse family (Antone's descendants) ave a family reunion every year in August at a campground in New Hampshire. My mother has told me her grandfather and grandmother (Frank's parents) were John and Mary (Jesse) that they came to North Plymouth in the late 1800s, around 1880 or 1890 from some kind of vessel by way of Bermuda. It is confirmed they came from Azores (San Miguel) but before that Portugal and even before that from France (the name Jacinth has French roots) but we have not been able to trace that far back. They are all buried in Vine Hills cemetery in Plymouth, Ma. There are many Jesse graves there, that I have visited and examined myself. A distant relative from Plymouth has given me a database and photos he was working on of the early family tree. I have been combining this with the verbal recordings and our own family photos. I would be glad to send everything I have to you if you provide me with an email address (privately). There is also a wealth of information in this blog posting that I did not have which I will pencil in concerning the Azores connections and locations. The pre-Plymouth history has always been a great mystery to us Jesse descendants. Our parents simply do not know, and the 1st and 2nd generations have all long since passed and kept no records. So it's up to us children to piece it all together! I have attached a photo of the four brothers, which I am told was taken on my grandfather's wedding day in Fall River, MA, sometime in the 1930s. Frank is the one with the dark moustache. They also called him Blackie Jesse. On Wednesday, March 4, 2009 5:56:26 PM UTC-6, Aztec wrote: I am new to this group so please be patient. I have been trying to research my Portuguese roots with little to no lucky. My Grandfather was a ship builder in Plymouth named Frank Jesse (Jacintho?). He married Francis Nunes de Silva. I have the Ellis island report of my Grandfather coming to the US (twice) but am having no luck with my Grandmother. My GGrandfather was also Frank (Francisco?) Jesse (Jacintho?). His wife was Jacintha Jacintho (maiden name same as married name). Both Franks came from San Miguel, and Francis came from Pico. My mother always said her mother had a sister in California. Can anyone help me with my research? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Goncalves Noia Tree
Lionel, Leo is referring to Belchior Gomes Noia of Flores.I sent him a tree privately Eric Edgar On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Lionel Holmes lionelholme...@gmail.comwrote: Leo Noia, You mention Belchior, which is not a common name. I have in my files of Sacramento area families a Joao Marcelino Belchior married to Maria Clementina, with children Alexandre, Antonio, Maria, and Theresa. The name was changed by some in the family to Balshor. A Theresa Belchior, probably the same, as born in Uros, Tras-os-Montes, Portugal Lionel Rocha Holmes On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Leo Noia lnoi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Noia Family, Hope you can help. I keep running into roadblocks going past my grandfather. The info I have is: Manuel Goncalves Noia Jr. b. June 4, 1932 Ponta Delgada, Flores. Married to Maria Carmelina Do Carmo b. Feb 7, 1938. Son of Manuel Goncalves Noia Sr., married to Amelia. (my Grandfather). I cannot seem to find a link from my Grandfather to Rodrigues Noia which I think link my ancestry to Belchior who d. in 1690 Can you help? Leonel Do Carmo Noia, of Oakville, Ontario Canada. b. Angra, Terceira, 1965 -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Plymouth, MA Family
From the 1920 census page for the Frank Jesse family The census shows they arrived in Mass in 1907. , , I've compared the births for Massachucetts on Familysearch. The mother is Frances Nunes Silva, or Francisca Nunes Silveira . A 1924 shiplist for the Arcadian from Bermuda to New York shows a group of this family returning from a visit . their birth is shown as St Michaels. The oldest shown as father is Frank Jesse 70 years. giving a birthdate of 1854. They give Frank Jesse's address on Prince street as destination. With Frank's childrens names of Naomi, Samuel, Abraham,Ruth and Moses, I'd make a guess of some Jewish origin. Eric Edgar On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Dick Boba dickieb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Aztec. My mother's maiden name is Jesse. Frank Jesse, from North Plymouth, Massachusetts is my great-uncle. There were four brothers. Manual, Frank, Ted and Antoine. Antoine is my grandfather. One of Frank's grandchildren is my cousin Scott Jesse, and we have discussed the family to great length. He is not into computers and I don't live in Plymouth anymore so I don't get to see him at all so most of what he told me about Frank and his wing of the Jesse family was verbal and in my memory. My mother's sisters have recently provided us with verbal recordings (tapes) of their early family history which I have not fully processed yet. They were all very fiercly proud hard workers, middle income, which was quite an accomplishment in the early 20th century for Portuguese immigrants to America, so you can be proud of that. They provided for their families as boat builders and fishermen. They had their own boatyard in North Plymouth. The Jesse boat building business survives to this day. They all lived on Castle Street in North Plymouth, Ma. They have many descendants who are still strongly populated in the eastern Massachusetts and Rhode Island area and many of the cousins are very strongly connected. Our wing of the Jesse family (Antone's descendants) ave a family reunion every year in August at a campground in New Hampshire. My mother has told me her grandfather and grandmother (Frank's parents) were John and Mary (Jesse) that they came to North Plymouth in the late 1800s, around 1880 or 1890 from some kind of vessel by way of Bermuda. It is confirmed they came from Azores (San Miguel) but before that Portugal and even before that from France (the name Jacinth has French roots) but we have not been able to trace that far back. They are all buried in Vine Hills cemetery in Plymouth, Ma. There are many Jesse graves there, that I have visited and examined myself. A distant relative from Plymouth has given me a database and photos he was working on of the early family tree. I have been combining this with the verbal recordings and our own family photos. I would be glad to send everything I have to you if you provide me with an email address (privately). There is also a wealth of information in this blog posting that I did not have which I will pencil in concerning the Azores connections and locations. The pre-Plymouth history has always been a great mystery to us Jesse descendants. Our parents simply do not know, and the 1st and 2nd generations have all long since passed and kept no records. So it's up to us children to piece it all together! I have attached a photo of the four brothers, which I am told was taken on my grandfather's wedding day in Fall River, MA, sometime in the 1930s. Frank is the one with the dark moustache. They also called him Blackie Jesse. On Wednesday, March 4, 2009 5:56:26 PM UTC-6, Aztec wrote: I am new to this group so please be patient. I have been trying to research my Portuguese roots with little to no lucky. My Grandfather was a ship builder in Plymouth named Frank Jesse (Jacintho?). He married Francis Nunes de Silva. I have the Ellis island report of my Grandfather coming to the US (twice) but am having no luck with my Grandmother. My GGrandfather was also Frank (Francisco?) Jesse (Jacintho?). His wife was Jacintha Jacintho (maiden name same as married name). Both Franks came from San Miguel, and Francis came from Pico. My mother always said her mother had a sister in California. Can anyone help me with my research? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching De Frega,
Shirley, I've been working on Fraga families in Alameda county and spotted a Lucille Fraga. She's from Indianab 1910, , maiden name Wynkoop. Her husband is Ernest Fraga, b 1906. They're easy to find on the 1940 and 1930 censuses in Oakland. Eric Edgar On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Shirley Collenette scollene...@comcast.net wrote: Thank you Cheri! I'm so happy to have stumbled on to this email group of fellow azoreans! Shirley Collenette ps Found out from another member that my family name is Fraga from Flores! This made my day, week, year! On Jun 24, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: Hi Shirley C, You'll need to create a paper trail on your grandmother, then her parents. Make sure you use a genealogy software program. Here is a pamphlet of lead (how to guide) to get you started on how to find things and where to look. goo.gl/tdrIw Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching De Frega,
Shirley, There is a tree at Ancestry.com called The Montgomery Branches and Leaves that has about two more generations back for Ernest. Eric Edgar On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Shirley Collenette scollene...@comcast.net wrote: Thank you Cheri! I'm so happy to have stumbled on to this email group of fellow azoreans! Shirley Collenette ps Found out from another member that my family name is Fraga from Flores! This made my day, week, year! On Jun 24, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: Hi Shirley C, You'll need to create a paper trail on your grandmother, then her parents. Make sure you use a genealogy software program. Here is a pamphlet of lead (how to guide) to get you started on how to find things and where to look. goo.gl/tdrIw Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Reconciling records
Gerri, page 633 PDF version shows second marriage. Some time priests record errors. Welcome to the wild world of Portuguese Geneaolgy. Matheus; parents are in all other records Manuel and Isabel. Manuel Jacinto Canhoto [51 anos, f.º de Manuel Jacinto Canhoto e de Maria Joaquina, e já v.º de Isabel Maria, f. Santa Cruz das Flores ] c.1875.11.27 c. Maria Jacinta [38 anos, f.ª de António Caetano Nunes e de Catarina Jacinta]. Eric Edgar On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Gerri Martin gerrimar...@rocketmail.comwrote: Eric, I am trying to source the info you gave me with the records from Casais das Flores - your info says Manuel Jacinto Canhoto married Isabel de Jesus Encaracao 14 Jan 1847 - I can't find this marriage record. I did find this: Manuel Jacinto de Avelar [f.º de Manuel Jacinto Pimentel Canhoto e de sua 1. ª mulher Maria Joaquina ] c. 1847.08.14 c. Isabel de Jesus da Encarnação [f.ª de José Inácio Carvalho e de Maria de Jesus]. Gomes, Francisco (2012-12-18). Casais das Flores e do Corvo (Kindle Locations 14704-14705). . Kindle Edition. Note it is Aug 14 - is this the right record or is this another person - I am going crazy with all the Jacinto's and Canhoto's Gerri On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 2:39:26 PM UTC-7, luiznoia wrote: Gerri, That's what the record says, that Matheus Jacintho and Izabel da Trindade Jacintho are the parents of her father Matheus, however, my files have them listed as Manuel Jacintho Canhoto and Isabel de Jesus Encaracao I'd chalk it up to a transcription error by the priest. I have many of the original parish records for the other children of Manuel Jacinto Canhoto from both his marriages. See below. Official de Sapateiro= official shoemaker , maybe means registered shoemaker. It says Filha legitimate e primeira do nome = legitimate daughter and first of this name. I have a lot of information on this family. It relates to some researchers I've worked with a long time. Family members settled in San Juan Bautista,Oakland, Artesia, and Los Angeles, California Eric Edgar *1.* MANUEL JACINTO3 CANHOTO* (M**ANUEL** J**ACINTO **P**IMENTEL*2*, F* *RANCISCO** P**IMENTEL*1*)* was born 1824 in Santa Cruz das Flores. He married (1) ISABEL DE JESUS ENCARACAO 14 Jan 1847 in Nossa Senhora da Conceicao, Santa Cruz das Flores, daughter of JOSE CARVALHO and M ARIANA DE JESUS. She was born 1826 in Santa Cruz das Flores, and died Bef. 1875. He married (2) MARIA JACINTA 27 Nov 1875 in Nossa Senhora da Conceicao, Santa Cruz das Flores, daughter of ANTONIO NUNES and CATARINAJ ACINTA. She was born 1837 in Santa Cruz das Flores. More About MANUEL CANHOTO and ISABEL ENCARACAO: Marriage: 14 Jan 1847, Nossa Senhora da Conceicao, Santa Cruz das Flores More About MANUEL CANHOTO and MARIA JACINTA: Marriage: 27 Nov 1875, Nossa Senhora da Conceicao, Santa Cruz das Flores Children of MANUEL CANHOTO and ISABEL ENCARACAO are: i.JOAO4 CANHOTO, b. Santa Cruz das Flores. 2. ii.ISABEL DE JESUS DE AVELAR, b. 1849, Santa Cruz das Flores. iii.MARIA CANHOTO, b. 1855, Santa Cruz das Flores. iv.MARIANNA CANHOTO, b. 19 Aug 1857, Santa Cruz das Flores. 3. v.MATHEUS JACINTO CANHOTO, b. 15 Dec 1859, Santa Cruz das Flores; d. 08 Nov 1936, Lomba, Flores. 4. vi.LEOPOLDINA JACINTA CANHOTO, b. 1865, Santa Cruz das Flores. Children of MANUEL CANHOTO and MARIA JACINTA are: vii.MARIA JACINTA4 CANHOTO, b. 1867, Santa Cruz das Flores; m. JOSE JACINTO CANHOTO JR, 01 Dec 1888, Nossa Senhora da Conceicao, Santa Cruz das Flores; b. 1864, Santa Cruz das Flores. More About JOSE JR and MARIA CANHOTO: Marriage: 01 Dec 1888, Nossa Senhora da Conceicao, Santa Cruz das Flores 5.viii.MANUEL JACINTO CANHOTO JR, b. 05 Jan 1870, Santa Cruz das Flores; d. 20 Feb 1952, Los Angeles, California. ix.ALFREDO CANHOTO, b. 1871, Santa Cruz das Flores. x.VIRGINIA CANHOTO, b. 23 May 1873, Santa Cruz das Flores. xi.EMILIA CANHOTO, b. 1875, Santa Cruz das Flores. xii.ANTONIO CANHOTO, b. 1877, Santa Cruz das Flores. xiii.CATHERINA CANHOTO, b. 1878, Santa Cruz das Flores. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Gerri gerri...@rocketmail.com wrote: I am very confused. The following is the baptism record for my great grandmother. If I am reading it right it says her paternal grandparents are Mateus Jacintho and Izabel da Trindade Jacintho. But on her parents marriage record it lists his parents as Manuel Jacinto Canhoto and Isabel de Jesus. Any advise or help greatly appreciated. Also, am I submitting info okay, or should I follow some different rules. Don't want to be a hassle. Gerri Martin [image: image.jpeg] http://www.culturacores.**azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Thamos (spelling?)
You can find them at Sousa's Liquors in Mission San Jose . http://www.sousasliquors.com/ 1584 Washington Blvd Fremont, CA 94539 (510) 659-8366 There's a big selection of Portuguese and Brazilian foods there. Also Trade Rite Market/ Bacalau Grill in San Jose http://bacalhaugrill.com 1555 Alum Rock Ave San Jose, Ca. 95116 408-259-6101 They have a huge market of all Portuguese products, a restaraunt serving different Portuguese specials everyday and live music Eric Edgar On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net wrote: At 05:00 PM 5/24/2013, you wrote: Shirley, My Mom used to stop at the Nut Tree in Vacaville and pick them up. That was years ago but you might call them (if the Nut Tree is still there!). Rosemarie The Nut Tree has been gone for over a decade. Joan Jurancich joa...@surewest.net -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/Azoreshttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.comazores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/azores?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en . -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Willliam J Wood
Carol, NEPS does not have any Santa Maria records. Depending on the record seen William J Wood was born in Fayal, Pico, Western Islands, or Santa Maria. It's a tough case. I'll look around the ship sites Eric Edgar On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Carol Lobo caroll...@cox.net wrote: Eric,, I have the the William Madison Wood article from the Wikipedia==On the death record, he died 21 Aug, 1870, he was a laborer estimated year of birth 1827. On his naturalization papers, March , 1853 – he states that he arrived in New Bedford aboard the Bark Matha on Jan 10, 1844 and had been a resident for more than 5 years. And he now is 23 years of age. The book Mills, Mansions, and Mergers by Edward G. Roddy has William J born Oct 6, 1827 states various journalists that his name was Jacinto, Madeira or Silva. The book also states the legend if Captain Henry Pease** ** Brought the frail, slender mariner from Pico in the 1950’s aboard the whaler Champion. Can’t find where Capt. Pease was ever captain of the Champion. Lots of info, but a lot conflicting. I like your portuguese newspaper article. A Lot has been written about his son William Madison Wood (my grandfather was John Madison wood – the black sheep of the family I think) otherwise I’m not sure we would have any leads. I can’t find Santa Maria on Neps- am I looking in the right place.? Again my sincerest thanks for all the information – please keep looking.Sincerely, Carol ** ** *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *eric edgar *Sent:* Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:43 AM *To:* Azores Genealogy *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Willliam J Wood ** ** An opinion from the New bedford Whaling Museum ** ** The William M. Wood Foundation is a legacy of a grandson of William M. Wood (1858–1926), an immigrant from the Azores, whose father was an Azorean whaler on a New Bedford whale ship. His original named was William Silva. Wood began his career in textiles at the Wamsutta Mill, rising to become a textile magnate, eventually heading a mill conglomerate, which became the American Woolen Company ** ** ** ** Eric Edgar ** ** On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:19 AM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Carol, ** ** Here is another opinion on the real name of William J Wood from the Wikipedia page for his son William M Wood: ** ** William Wood was born in 1858 in a cottage on Pease Point Way, in Edgartown, Massachusetts, on the island of Martha's Vineyard. His parents, Grace (Emma) Wood and William Wood Sr., were Portuguese immigrants from the Azores. His father, William Sr., *Guilherme Medeiros Silva *was a crewman on a New Bedford whaling ship from 1853 until his death in 1871. William Jr. was only 12 years old when his father died, and had to drop out of school and find a job to provide for his mother and younger siblings. Fortunately for William Wood, a wealthy New Bedford textile manufacturer named Andrew Pierce offered him a job working in his Wamasutta Cotton Mill. Pierce would soon see that hiring young William would prove to be extremely beneficial. Pierce was impressed with Wood's work and promoted him to the manufacturing department, where he learned cost structures and figures. At the age of eighteen, Wood left New Bedford for Philadelphia. With the help of Andrew Pierce, William was able to find a good job with a Philadelphia brokerage firm. This is where he learned about stocks and bonds. After tiring of Philadelphia, he returned to New Bedford and worked at a bank. According to the Dukes County Intelligencer, when a Fall River textile company went bankrupt, its new manager hired William as paymaster. Then in 1885, the Washington Mill in Lawrence went bankrupt and was purchased by Frederick Ayer of Lowell. Frederick Ayer and his brother James Cook Ayer.* *** I can't eatablish who wrote it or where they got the information ** ** Eric Edgar ** ** ** ** On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Carol Lobo caroll...@cox.net wrote: Eric, Thank you so much, this is the best evidence that I have as to the REAL name of William J Wood, thank you so much – I will try to do research from my end. Sincerely, Carol *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *eric edgar *Sent:* Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:34 AM *To:* Azores Genealogy *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Willliam J Wood Carol, Here is a clip form the obituary story of William Wood Jr in Portuguese newspaper that shows the original name of William Jason Wood as Guilherme Jacinto of Santa Maria . Mother's name of Amelia Christina Madison of Flores. I think that's an anglisized version of Macedo. I'll pursue the mother's family since I have many
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Willliam J Wood
Carol, There are no recorded whaling ships called the Matha. Here's a ship Mary,, Henry Pease Capt, 1844- 1848 out of Edgartown. http://nmdl.org/aowv/whvoyage.cfm?VesselNumber=1895 American Offshore Whaling Voyages: A Database Voyages of Mary (Ship) DepartureArrivalMasterHailing PortDestinationSpermWhaleBoneSource1836, Jun1838, MayPease, Henry, IIhttp://nmdl.org/aowv/whMaster.cfm?Name=Pease,%20Henry,%20IIEdgartown, MASouth Atlantic022000* http://nmdl.org/aowv/whsource.cfm?VoyageID=91701838, Aug1840, SepFisher, Francishttp://nmdl.org/aowv/whMaster.cfm?Name=Fisher,%20FrancisEdgartown, MANew Zealand70022000* http://nmdl.org/aowv/whsource.cfm?VoyageID=91711841, Jan1844, JulAtkins, William, Jr.http://nmdl.org/aowv/whMaster.cfm?Name=Atkins,%20William,%20Jr.Edgartown, MAPacific700150015000* http://nmdl.org/aowv/whsource.cfm?VoyageID=91721844, Dec1848, AprPease, Henry, IIhttp://nmdl.org/aowv/whMaster.cfm?Name=Pease,%20Henry,%20IIEdgartown, MAPacific50913001* http://nmdl.org/aowv/whsource.cfm?VoyageID=9174 Eric Edgar On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Carol Lobo caroll...@cox.net wrote: Eric,, I have the the William Madison Wood article from the Wikipedia==On the death record, he died 21 Aug, 1870, he was a laborer estimated year of birth 1827. On his naturalization papers, March , 1853 – he states that he arrived in New Bedford aboard the Bark Matha on Jan 10, 1844 and had been a resident for more than 5 years. And he now is 23 years of age. The book Mills, Mansions, and Mergers by Edward G. Roddy has William J born Oct 6, 1827 states various journalists that his name was Jacinto, Madeira or Silva. The book also states the legend if Captain Henry Pease** ** Brought the frail, slender mariner from Pico in the 1950’s aboard the whaler Champion. Can’t find where Capt. Pease was ever captain of the Champion. Lots of info, but a lot conflicting. I like your portuguese newspaper article. A Lot has been written about his son William Madison Wood (my grandfather was John Madison wood – the black sheep of the family I think) otherwise I’m not sure we would have any leads. I can’t find Santa Maria on Neps- am I looking in the right place.? Again my sincerest thanks for all the information – please keep looking.Sincerely, Carol ** ** *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *eric edgar *Sent:* Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:43 AM *To:* Azores Genealogy *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Willliam J Wood ** ** An opinion from the New bedford Whaling Museum ** ** The William M. Wood Foundation is a legacy of a grandson of William M. Wood (1858–1926), an immigrant from the Azores, whose father was an Azorean whaler on a New Bedford whale ship. His original named was William Silva. Wood began his career in textiles at the Wamsutta Mill, rising to become a textile magnate, eventually heading a mill conglomerate, which became the American Woolen Company ** ** ** ** Eric Edgar ** ** On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:19 AM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Carol, ** ** Here is another opinion on the real name of William J Wood from the Wikipedia page for his son William M Wood: ** ** William Wood was born in 1858 in a cottage on Pease Point Way, in Edgartown, Massachusetts, on the island of Martha's Vineyard. His parents, Grace (Emma) Wood and William Wood Sr., were Portuguese immigrants from the Azores. His father, William Sr., *Guilherme Medeiros Silva *was a crewman on a New Bedford whaling ship from 1853 until his death in 1871. William Jr. was only 12 years old when his father died, and had to drop out of school and find a job to provide for his mother and younger siblings. Fortunately for William Wood, a wealthy New Bedford textile manufacturer named Andrew Pierce offered him a job working in his Wamasutta Cotton Mill. Pierce would soon see that hiring young William would prove to be extremely beneficial. Pierce was impressed with Wood's work and promoted him to the manufacturing department, where he learned cost structures and figures. At the age of eighteen, Wood left New Bedford for Philadelphia. With the help of Andrew Pierce, William was able to find a good job with a Philadelphia brokerage firm. This is where he learned about stocks and bonds. After tiring of Philadelphia, he returned to New Bedford and worked at a bank. According to the Dukes County Intelligencer, when a Fall River textile company went bankrupt, its new manager hired William as paymaster. Then in 1885, the Washington Mill in Lawrence went bankrupt and was purchased by Frederick Ayer of Lowell. Frederick Ayer and his brother James Cook Ayer.* *** I can't eatablish who wrote it or where they got the information ** ** Eric Edgar ** ** ** ** On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Carol Lobo caroll...@cox.net wrote: Eric
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Willliam J Wood
Carol, Here you'll see the authors mistake . The Champion, which was at sea in the time period stated was commanded by Thomas Marshall Pease Voyages of Champion (Ship) Built: 1833 in Mattapoisett, MA. Lost in the Arctic, Sept 14, 1871 Departure ArrivalMasterHailing PortDestinationSpermWhaleBoneSource1833, Dec1837, SepWorth, Benjamin, IIhttp://nmdl.org/aowv/whMaster.cfm?Name=Worth,%20Benjamin,%20II Edgartown, MAPacific21* http://nmdl.org/aowv/whsource.cfm?VoyageID=2519 1838, May1841, MayLawrence, George, Jr.http://nmdl.org/aowv/whMaster.cfm?Name=Lawrence,%20George,%20Jr.Edgartown, MA New Zealand31* http://nmdl.org/aowv/whsource.cfm?VoyageID=25201841, Aug 1845, AprPease, Thomas Marshallhttp://nmdl.org/aowv/whMaster.cfm?Name=Pease,%20Thomas%20MarshallEdgartown, MAPacific 1300140014000* http://nmdl.org/aowv/whsource.cfm?VoyageID=2521 On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 3:54 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Carol, There are no recorded whaling ships called the Matha. Here's a ship Mary,, Henry Pease Capt, 1844- 1848 out of Edgartown. http://nmdl.org/aowv/whvoyage.cfm?VesselNumber=1895 American Offshore Whaling Voyages: A Database Voyages of Mary (Ship) Departure ArrivalMasterHailing PortDestinationSpermWhaleBoneSource1836, Jun1838, MayPease, Henry, IIhttp://nmdl.org/aowv/whMaster.cfm?Name=Pease,%20Henry,%20II Edgartown, MASouth Atlantic022000* http://nmdl.org/aowv/whsource.cfm?VoyageID=9170 1838, Aug1840, SepFisher, Francishttp://nmdl.org/aowv/whMaster.cfm?Name=Fisher,%20FrancisEdgartown, MA New Zealand70022000* http://nmdl.org/aowv/whsource.cfm?VoyageID=91711841, Jan 1844, JulAtkins, William, Jr.http://nmdl.org/aowv/whMaster.cfm?Name=Atkins,%20William,%20Jr.Edgartown, MAPacific 700150015000* http://nmdl.org/aowv/whsource.cfm?VoyageID=91721844, Dec1848, Apr Pease, Henry, IIhttp://nmdl.org/aowv/whMaster.cfm?Name=Pease,%20Henry,%20IIEdgartown, MAPacific5091300 1* http://nmdl.org/aowv/whsource.cfm?VoyageID=9174 Eric Edgar On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Carol Lobo caroll...@cox.net wrote: Eric,, I have the the William Madison Wood article from the Wikipedia==On the death record, he died 21 Aug, 1870, he was a laborer estimated year of birth 1827. On his naturalization papers, March , 1853 – he states that he arrived in New Bedford aboard the Bark Matha on Jan 10, 1844 and had been a resident for more than 5 years. And he now is 23 years of age. The book Mills, Mansions, and Mergers by Edward G. Roddy has William J born Oct 6, 1827 states various journalists that his name was Jacinto, Madeira or Silva. The book also states the legend if Captain Henry Pease* *** Brought the frail, slender mariner from Pico in the 1950’s aboard the whaler Champion. Can’t find where Capt. Pease was ever captain of the Champion. Lots of info, but a lot conflicting. I like your portuguese newspaper article. A Lot has been written about his son William Madison Wood (my grandfather was John Madison wood – the black sheep of the family I think) otherwise I’m not sure we would have any leads. I can’t find Santa Maria on Neps- am I looking in the right place.? *** * Again my sincerest thanks for all the information – please keep looking.Sincerely, Carol ** ** *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *eric edgar *Sent:* Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:43 AM *To:* Azores Genealogy *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Willliam J Wood ** ** An opinion from the New bedford Whaling Museum ** ** The William M. Wood Foundation is a legacy of a grandson of William M. Wood (1858–1926), an immigrant from the Azores, whose father was an Azorean whaler on a New Bedford whale ship. His original named was William Silva. Wood began his career in textiles at the Wamsutta Mill, rising to become a textile magnate, eventually heading a mill conglomerate, which became the American Woolen Company ** ** ** ** Eric Edgar ** ** On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:19 AM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Carol, ** ** Here is another opinion on the real name of William J Wood from the Wikipedia page for his son William M Wood: ** ** William Wood was born in 1858 in a cottage on Pease Point Way, in Edgartown, Massachusetts, on the island of Martha's Vineyard. His parents, Grace (Emma) Wood and William Wood Sr., were Portuguese immigrants from the Azores. His father, William Sr., *Guilherme Medeiros Silva *was a crewman on a New Bedford whaling ship from 1853 until his death in 1871. William Jr. was only 12 years old when his father died, and had to drop out of school and find a job to provide for his mother and younger siblings. Fortunately for William Wood, a wealthy New Bedford textile manufacturer named Andrew Pierce offered him a job working in his Wamasutta Cotton Mill. Pierce would soon see that hiring young William would prove
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digital Book on Genetic Structure of Flores Island, Azores
Cindy, It's availble to download as a PDF. Most computers come with Adobe Reader to view it. If you don't have it, there is a free version availble, often on the books download page. Eric Edgar On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Cindy D kcci...@aol.com wrote: Ok, I'll admit it, I'm finally behind the times on computer stuff. Today I bought a book that sounded interesting and cheap on Amazon: - Genetic structure of Flores island (Azores, Portugal) in the 19th century and in the present day: evidence from surname analysis.: An article from: Human Biology http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CQN572/ref=oh_d__o00_details_o00__i00?ie=UTF8psc=1 Cristina Santos, Augusto Abade, Jordi Cantons, Francine M. Mayer, M. Pilar Aluja, Manuela Lima It said download http digital...so I assumed I could download it to my computer and open it up..eh, apparently not. Do I need an e-reader to view this?? Is there a way I can view it with a normal computer? I'm guessing the book will be way over my head anyway, but I'd still like to peek at it. Cindy D blowing in the wind in Kansas -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Willliam J Wood
Carol, In looking at the name William Wood, I've found a captain of three different whaling ships with that name. I've seen a number of cases where a seaman picked up in the Azores takes the captains name when he leaves ship in America. An early pioneer of Sacramento , Joseph Miller did this. he was from Pico. For your William Jason Wood, Guilherme Jacinto.Guillerme - Portuguese form of William. Jacinto- amercanized to Jason, Wood- captains name. The New Bedford Whaling ship lists show cabin boy same name as Captian In 1844 , Guillerme Jacinto would have been 14 years old *Crewmen: WILLIAM WOOD**Age: Height: Skin Color: Hair Color: Eye Color: Residence: Rank: CAPTAIN Lay: 1/16**Ship Name: EAGLE Rigging: SHIP Port of Registry: NEW BEDFORD Whaling Ground: PACIFIC Departure Date: 12/03/1844 Return Date: 01/15/1849 Re * *WILLIAM WOOD** ** ** ** ** ** **BOY **1/180 * Eric Edgar On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Carol Lobo caroll...@cox.net wrote: Eric, ** ** Thank you so much, this is the best evidence that I have as to the REAL name of William J Wood, thank you so much – I will try to do research from my end. ** ** Sincerely, Carol ** ** *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *eric edgar *Sent:* Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:34 AM *To:* Azores Genealogy *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Willliam J Wood ** ** Carol, ** ** Here is a clip form the obituary story of William Wood Jr in Portuguese newspaper that shows the original name of William Jason Wood as Guilherme Jacinto of Santa Maria . ** ** Mother's name of Amelia Christina Madison of Flores. I think that's an anglisized version of Macedo. ** ** I'll pursue the mother's family since I have many Flores resources. The father listed on the marriage as John P Ignacio is likely Joao ( Pimentel or Pereira) Enos ** ** Eric Edgar ** ** On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Carol Lobo caroll...@cox.net wrote: Eric You are right, on another document he stated he was born 1829 – think he boarded the ship in Fayal and as for the names I don’t find Garcia, but did find Jacinta and Garcia connected to our DNA. Also think that names were* *** Spelled wrong by the recorder. Joao Ventura tried to find her relatives as written on the license as John P Ignacio – found nothing. So I will try to pursue the dna trail. Thanks for lookingSincerely, Carol mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *eric edgar *Sent:* Monday, May 20, 2013 2:36 PM *To:* Azores Genealogy *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Willliam J Wood Carol, I took a look at the Massachucetts marriage record of 11 Nov 1855. He states 25 years old, from Fayal, W I. The parents names show Jacinto and Gacia. Eric Edgar On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Carol Lobo caroll...@cox.net wrote: Hello, I have matched my brother Stephen Preston’s DNA with 3rd cousins Peter and Bernard Mascedo (Christine)) Christine replied yes indeed she knew the Following persons as well as did Judy Thompson. My gggrandfather William J wood on his marriage license put the names of Garcia and Jacinta. In Madalena, I found Antonia Rosa Garcia 1791-1848 and Maria Jacinta 1791-1872 There we 11 children born to them one of which was Andre? 1829. Wood claimed his birthday was born 1927, and 1930. According to his naturalization papers, he came to New Bedford on the Ship Martha in 1844 – on the ship Martha is a greenhand Ant Gareia picked up on the island of Pico on 8/29/1844 also Jose Rosz was picked up at The same time (his brother was Jose born 1823 I am hoping that somebody will have more information on the Garcia and Jacinta family. Thanks for any help Carol -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Willliam J Wood
Carol, Here is another opinion on the real name of William J Wood from the Wikipedia page for his son William M Wood: William Wood was born in 1858 in a cottage on Pease Point Way, in Edgartown, Massachusetts, on the island of Martha's Vineyard. His parents, Grace (Emma) Wood and William Wood Sr., were Portuguese immigrants from the Azores. His father, William Sr., *Guilherme Medeiros Silva *was a crewman on a New Bedford whaling ship from 1853 until his death in 1871. William Jr. was only 12 years old when his father died, and had to drop out of school and find a job to provide for his mother and younger siblings. Fortunately for William Wood, a wealthy New Bedford textile manufacturer named Andrew Pierce offered him a job working in his Wamasutta Cotton Mill. Pierce would soon see that hiring young William would prove to be extremely beneficial. Pierce was impressed with Wood's work and promoted him to the manufacturing department, where he learned cost structures and figures. At the age of eighteen, Wood left New Bedford for Philadelphia. With the help of Andrew Pierce, William was able to find a good job with a Philadelphia brokerage firm. This is where he learned about stocks and bonds. After tiring of Philadelphia, he returned to New Bedford and worked at a bank. According to the Dukes County Intelligencer, when a Fall River textile company went bankrupt, its new manager hired William as paymaster. Then in 1885, the Washington Mill in Lawrence went bankrupt and was purchased by Frederick Ayer of Lowell. Frederick Ayer and his brother James Cook Ayer. I can't eatablish who wrote it or where they got the information Eric Edgar On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Carol Lobo caroll...@cox.net wrote: Eric, ** ** Thank you so much, this is the best evidence that I have as to the REAL name of William J Wood, thank you so much – I will try to do research from my end. ** ** Sincerely, Carol ** ** *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *eric edgar *Sent:* Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:34 AM *To:* Azores Genealogy *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Willliam J Wood ** ** Carol, ** ** Here is a clip form the obituary story of William Wood Jr in Portuguese newspaper that shows the original name of William Jason Wood as Guilherme Jacinto of Santa Maria . ** ** Mother's name of Amelia Christina Madison of Flores. I think that's an anglisized version of Macedo. ** ** I'll pursue the mother's family since I have many Flores resources. The father listed on the marriage as John P Ignacio is likely Joao ( Pimentel or Pereira) Enos ** ** Eric Edgar ** ** On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Carol Lobo caroll...@cox.net wrote: Eric You are right, on another document he stated he was born 1829 – think he boarded the ship in Fayal and as for the names I don’t find Garcia, but did find Jacinta and Garcia connected to our DNA. Also think that names were* *** Spelled wrong by the recorder. Joao Ventura tried to find her relatives as written on the license as John P Ignacio – found nothing. So I will try to pursue the dna trail. Thanks for lookingSincerely, Carol mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *eric edgar *Sent:* Monday, May 20, 2013 2:36 PM *To:* Azores Genealogy *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Willliam J Wood Carol, I took a look at the Massachucetts marriage record of 11 Nov 1855. He states 25 years old, from Fayal, W I. The parents names show Jacinto and Gacia. Eric Edgar On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Carol Lobo caroll...@cox.net wrote: Hello, I have matched my brother Stephen Preston’s DNA with 3rd cousins Peter and Bernard Mascedo (Christine)) Christine replied yes indeed she knew the Following persons as well as did Judy Thompson. My gggrandfather William J wood on his marriage license put the names of Garcia and Jacinta. In Madalena, I found Antonia Rosa Garcia 1791-1848 and Maria Jacinta 1791-1872 There we 11 children born to them one of which was Andre? 1829. Wood claimed his birthday was born 1927, and 1930. According to his naturalization papers, he came to New Bedford on the Ship Martha in 1844 – on the ship Martha is a greenhand Ant Gareia picked up on the island of Pico on 8/29/1844 also Jose Rosz was picked up at The same time (his brother was Jose born 1823 I am hoping that somebody will have more information on the Garcia and Jacinta family. Thanks for any help Carol -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Willliam J Wood
An opinion from the New bedford Whaling Museum The William M. Wood Foundation is a legacy of a grandson of William M. Wood (1858–1926), an immigrant from the Azores, whose father was an Azorean whaler on a New Bedford whale ship. His original named was William Silva. Wood began his career in textiles at the Wamsutta Mill, rising to become a textile magnate, eventually heading a mill conglomerate, which became the American Woolen Company Eric Edgar On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:19 AM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Carol, Here is another opinion on the real name of William J Wood from the Wikipedia page for his son William M Wood: William Wood was born in 1858 in a cottage on Pease Point Way, in Edgartown, Massachusetts, on the island of Martha's Vineyard. His parents, Grace (Emma) Wood and William Wood Sr., were Portuguese immigrants from the Azores. His father, William Sr., *Guilherme Medeiros Silva *was a crewman on a New Bedford whaling ship from 1853 until his death in 1871. William Jr. was only 12 years old when his father died, and had to drop out of school and find a job to provide for his mother and younger siblings. Fortunately for William Wood, a wealthy New Bedford textile manufacturer named Andrew Pierce offered him a job working in his Wamasutta Cotton Mill. Pierce would soon see that hiring young William would prove to be extremely beneficial. Pierce was impressed with Wood's work and promoted him to the manufacturing department, where he learned cost structures and figures. At the age of eighteen, Wood left New Bedford for Philadelphia. With the help of Andrew Pierce, William was able to find a good job with a Philadelphia brokerage firm. This is where he learned about stocks and bonds. After tiring of Philadelphia, he returned to New Bedford and worked at a bank. According to the Dukes County Intelligencer, when a Fall River textile company went bankrupt, its new manager hired William as paymaster. Then in 1885, the Washington Mill in Lawrence went bankrupt and was purchased by Frederick Ayer of Lowell. Frederick Ayer and his brother James Cook Ayer. I can't eatablish who wrote it or where they got the information Eric Edgar On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Carol Lobo caroll...@cox.net wrote: Eric, ** ** Thank you so much, this is the best evidence that I have as to the REAL name of William J Wood, thank you so much – I will try to do research from my end. ** ** Sincerely, Carol ** ** *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *eric edgar *Sent:* Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:34 AM *To:* Azores Genealogy *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Willliam J Wood ** ** Carol, ** ** Here is a clip form the obituary story of William Wood Jr in Portuguese newspaper that shows the original name of William Jason Wood as Guilherme Jacinto of Santa Maria . ** ** Mother's name of Amelia Christina Madison of Flores. I think that's an anglisized version of Macedo. ** ** I'll pursue the mother's family since I have many Flores resources. The father listed on the marriage as John P Ignacio is likely Joao ( Pimentel or Pereira) Enos ** ** Eric Edgar ** ** On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Carol Lobo caroll...@cox.net wrote:*** * Eric You are right, on another document he stated he was born 1829 – think he boarded the ship in Fayal and as for the names I don’t find Garcia, but did find Jacinta and Garcia connected to our DNA. Also think that names were Spelled wrong by the recorder. Joao Ventura tried to find her relatives as written on the license as John P Ignacio – found nothing. So I will try to pursue the dna trail. Thanks for lookingSincerely, Carol mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *eric edgar *Sent:* Monday, May 20, 2013 2:36 PM *To:* Azores Genealogy *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Willliam J Wood Carol, I took a look at the Massachucetts marriage record of 11 Nov 1855. He states 25 years old, from Fayal, W I. The parents names show Jacinto and Gacia. Eric Edgar On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Carol Lobo caroll...@cox.net wrote:*** * Hello, I have matched my brother Stephen Preston’s DNA with 3rd cousins Peter and Bernard Mascedo (Christine)) Christine replied yes indeed she knew the Following persons as well as did Judy Thompson. My gggrandfather William J wood on his marriage license put the names of Garcia and Jacinta. In Madalena, I found Antonia Rosa Garcia 1791-1848 and Maria Jacinta 1791-1872 There we 11 children born to them one of which was Andre? 1829. Wood claimed his birthday was born 1927, and 1930. According to his naturalization papers, he came to New Bedford on the Ship Martha in 1844 – on the ship Martha
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] BURRA from Lomba, Flores
Doug, I've searched all my Flores resources without finding a Burra record. This includes the three Pimentel Gomes books: Casais de Flores e Corvo Familias da Ilha das Flores Parte 1 Lajes, Ilha da Flores -da redescoberta a actualidade My dozen different family projects for Flores also drew a blank. There is a Berra family originally from Pico that arrived in the mid 1700s settled around Lajes and Fazenda, but It doesn't seem a good fit as it's Rodrigues Berra in most records I think this is the best match below From Lajes marriage records: António Furtado Borrião [f.º de Domingos Coelho Borrião e de Isabel Furtado] c. 1767.02.24 c. Luzia Furtado [f.ª de Manuel Furtado e de Maria Rodrigues]. Eric Edgar On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 10:22 AM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: I just found a marriage of a lady named Páscoa who was born in Lomba in 1787 and then noticed the Lomba records are lost or destroyed for that century. What stuck me is the name of her father, Manuel Furtado da Burra, a name I have never seen before. Maybe some of you Flores researchers have Burra ancestry and perhaps a Lomba connection. I see Burra means a female donkey, so this is certainly an alcunha (nickname), I would say. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Willliam J Wood
Carol, I took a look at the Massachucetts marriage record of 11 Nov 1855. He states 25 years old, from Fayal, W I. The parents names show Jacinto and Gacia. Eric Edgar On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Carol Lobo caroll...@cox.net wrote: Hello, ** ** I have matched my brother Stephen Preston’s DNA with 3rd cousins Peter and Bernard Mascedo (Christine)) Christine replied yes indeed she knew the Following persons as well as did Judy Thompson. ** ** My gggrandfather William J wood on his marriage license put the names of Garcia and Jacinta. In Madalena, I found Antonia Rosa Garcia 1791-1848 and Maria Jacinta 1791-1872 There we 11 children born to them one of which was Andre? 1829. Wood claimed his birthday was born 1927, and 1930. According to his naturalization papers, he came to New Bedford on the Ship Martha in 1844 – on the ship Martha is a greenhand Ant Gareia picked up on the island of Pico on 8/29/1844 also Jose Rosz was picked up at The same time (his brother was Jose born 1823 ** ** I am hoping that somebody will have more information on the Garcia and Jacinta family. ** ** Thanks for any help Carol -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for direction
Vicki, I had this in my files from an earlier project. Eric Edgar On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Vicki Rabe vr...@redshift.com wrote: Hello, I’m new to your site but hoping someone might be able to point me in the right direction. I’m stuck going further on my Daddy’s side of the family. Some of them were born in Hawaii but family originally came from the Azores. I’m not sure if I gave enough info below to see if anyone has any idea how I might be able to move forward. Thanks for any guidance at all. Sincerely, Vicki (Madeiros) Rabe ** ** *Joseph Cardoza – Born in Portugal 1871 – 1913 * my Great Grandpa Married Mary C Correia Cardoza (Born 29 Oct 1884 – 23 Oct 1968) My Great Grandma They had the following children: Mary Edith Cardoza – 31 May 1903 – 16 Feb 1988 – This is my Grandma on my Dad’s side Mary Edith Cardoza married *August “Gus” Madeiros* – born in Hawaii 9 Jul 1901 died in Alameda CA 17 Jun 1940. They had 3 children, one being my Daddy Albert Joseph Madeiros (Born 28 Sept 1925 - still alive) Minnie C. Cardoza – 16 Dec 1905 – 11 May 1996 Philomena Cardoza – About 1906 Marian Cardoza – 28 June 1907 – 11 Nov 1940 Joseph Theodore Cardoza – 1 Dec 1908 – 21 Oct 1981 Lucille Cardoza – 19 Jan 1911 – 9 Jan 2006 Laura Cardoza – 3 Nov 1912 – 15 Dec 1994 Then Joseph Cardoza Died and Mary Correia Cardoza married Joseph Nunes Freitas and they had 3 additional children. I’m having difficulty figuring out *Joseph Cardoza’s* parents to go any further, does anyone have any ideas? ** ** I believe that my Grandpa *August “Gus” Madeiros’s* parents were *Joseph Madeiros* not sure when or where he was born and his wife was *Ambrozina Dorego* – 1874 Portugal and died in 1948 in Alameda, CA. I can’t seem to find any information on my Great Grandpa (Joseph Madeiros). Any ideas where to try and find more information on he and Ambrozina? ** ** -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en. Ambrozina do Rego.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help needed to find Passports or Ship Log for daRose/Rosa family
Fawni, I've already searched the ship records back in March when I helped you with the DaRosas. I determined that there were no online records of arrival for the time period and that the Horta, Faial, Passportes records are not yet availble. You might search Familysearch catalog to see if microfilms are availble. Eric Edgar On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 3:04 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: Hi Fawnie, Here are the ships with Portuguese passengers in 1893 to NY: Olinda http://www.dholmes.com/ships/ship76.html...19 Jan 1893 (Linha de Vapores Portuguezes) Donna Maria http://www.dholmes.com/ships/ship74.html. 4 Feb 1893 (Linha de Vapores Portuguezes) Vega http://www.dholmes.com/ships/ship94.html24 Feb 1893.LDS# 1027704 Olinda..18 Mar 1893 (Linha de Vapores Portuguezes) Peninsular20 Mar 1893 Oevenum ..5 Apr 1893 (Linha de Vapores Portuguezes) Donna Maria. 4 Apr 1893 (Linha de Vapores Portuguezes) Vega..19 April 1893.LDS# 1027707 Peninsular.9 May 1893 Olinda15 May 1893 (Linha de Vapores Portuguezes) Donna Maria... 10 Jun 1893 (Linha de Vapores Portuguezes) Vega...13 June 1893.LDS# 1027712 Olinda..5 Jul 1893 (Linha de Vapores Portuguezes) Donna Maria. 24 Jul 1893 (Linha de Vapores Portuguezes) Vega.1 Aug 1893.LDS# 1027716 Olinda..25 Aug 1893 (Linha de Vapores Portuguezes) Donna Maria. 8 Sep 1893 (Linha de Vapores Portuguezes) Vega...28 Sept 1893.LDS# 1027720 Olinda..24 Oct 1893 (Linha de Vapores Portuguezes) Donna Maria... 26 Oct 1893 (Linha de Vapores Portuguezes) Vega.1 Dec 1893.LDS# 1027722 Peninsular13 Dec 1893 Donna Maria.. 18 Dec 1893 (Linha de Vapores Portuguezes) Olinda.23 Dec 1893 (Linha de Vapores Portuguezes) The first three are already extracted by volunteers and available online here: http://www.dholmes.com/ships.html That's a good place to start searching. There is another from 1893 that is currently being extracted. Find the rest of these ships in the original records through Ancestry.comor something similar. The surname da Rosa is very common in the middle group of islands, especially on Pico and those on Faial are often originally from Pico. But there are also Rosa lines that are very early residents on Faial and it is said that the first Rosa family did come from Faial with Flemish origins. Sometime in the 1400s or surely 1500s, some or many moved over to Pico where the vast majority named Rosa were living. I can't say they are more abundant on Pico now, since I am basing what I say on records from 1911 on back. For all I know, most people don't use this name anymore, but I do know many living today named Rosa. Exactly what you will find for your Rosa line is only going to be revealed by your research. Good luck. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help needed to find Passports or Ship Log for daRose/Rosa family From: Fawnie fawn.un...@gmail.com Date: Sat, May 11, 2013 11:39 am To: azores@googlegroups.com Good Day, I am hoping for guidance in locating either the passports or ship log for my daRosa/Rosa family that immigrated from Faial to the US in 1893. The family ended up in Cambridge, MA in the late 1800's early 1900s, yet also lived in Lowell, MA in 1894. I am not sure through which port they entered. daRosa/Rosa (Surname) Immigrated 1893 husband: Jose/Joseph born approx. 1872 - Faial wife: Gertrudes - born 3/28/1872 - Faial child: Maria (Mary) born. 8/22/1889 - Faial child; Marguerite born 1/7/1892 - Faial Any help you can give to me would be greatly appreciated. ~Peace and Happiness~ Fawnie -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists
Jo Anne, You can search them on the Portuguese Passenger Manifests at the Hawaii State Digital Archives site. There is also vital records data their http://archives1.dags.hawaii.gov/gsdl/cgi-bin/library Eric Edgar On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Jo Anne Hartmann joa1...@yahoo.comwrote: Are there ship manifests from 1881 and 1883? I believe my grandfather Mello and grandmother Medeiros emigrated to Hawaii those years as children from Sao Miguel... -- *From:* p...@dholmes.com p...@dholmes.com *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, April 27, 2013 5:16 PM *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists Just added a part of another ship: http://www.dholmes.com/ships/ship95.html These are mostly Sao Miguel passengers and some from Graciosa, but as more from this list are added, there will be some from Sao Jorge and also Terceira, etc. Once done it will complete all of the year 1896 to NYC. Enjoy. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists From: p...@dholmes.com Date: Tue, April 09, 2013 3:51 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Many more new ship lists added over the past week again. http://www.dholmes.com/ships.html 1894 and 1895 to NY are now complete. Only 1 remains for 1896. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese passenger lists From: p...@dholmes.com Date: Thu, April 04, 2013 1:10 am To: azores@googlegroups.com Thanks to the terrific volunteer work of Mr. James Rego Nicolau of the San Diego area, I have posted many new passenger ship lists on my website. The great thing about these extractions is that he has a good recognition of Portuguese names, unlike the extractions done by Ancestry.comhttp://ancestry.com/and Ellis Island Foundation/LDS. While the person can be located if you use these other resources as a guide and are lucky enough that they didn't totally butcher the name of the person you seek, it is overall much more likely that the extracted ships I have (now am up to 78 ships) will quickly allow you to find them if they arrived on one of these extracted ships. Find them all here: http://www.dholmes.com/ships.html And if you decide you want to add your name to the growing list of volunteers, I can direct you to pick a ship or two for your own extraction. Maybe you'll even get hooked like Mr. Nicolau. I think he's done maybe 40 ships now. There are many more he has extracted that I have not yet uploaded. Happy hunting. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com -- -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS from unknown Island
Betty, The 1900 census for Mary Medeiros and children from Cambridge http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Viewr=andbid=7602iid=004113842_00251fn=Frankln=Medeirosst=dssrc=pid=6130947 her childrens marriage records all show their father as Felix Medeiros, mother Mary Miranda Christina Medeiros https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11620-80072-56?cc=1469062wc=6961559 Manuel Felix Medeiros https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11694-59441-42?cc=1469062wc=6961460 Erminia ? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12387-97112-52?cc=1469062wc=6961556 The 1910 census shows her sister Alice Miranda who arrived 1902 http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Viewr=andbid=7884iid=3_4330077-00572fn=Frankln=Medeirosst=dssrc=pid=109621835 No island shown. can't find their arrival. Eric Edgar On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 7:16 AM, rondo ranch ro...@lightspeed.net wrote: Hi Betty, I'm very interested in your work on the Portuguese in Lowell. My grandfather's family lived there for a number or years. He has family buried in Catholic Cemetery. I plan to make a trip there in the future get more information. Please email me outside the group at ro...@lightspeed.net Doreen Caetano -Original Message- From: p...@dholmes.com Sent: Apr 23, 2013 3:48 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS from unknown Island Hi Betty, Nice to hear from you. It's been a very long time since you told me about your project to document the Portuguese of Lowell. If you didn't already do it, you can add my great-great-grandfather, Manuel Joaquim Leal who died in Lowell after an operation in 1886. He is buried in the cemetery in New Bedford, though. About Medeiros, Hermano is probably right. That has always been my first guess when I run across anyone named Medeiros - that they came from Sao Miguel. However, I mentioned a lot of them in Faial and Pico. So the way I would approach this question is first to look at the other surnames associated with Medeiros. You mentioned Miranda and there are a lot of Miranda in Pico, in the Madalena area. But of course, we have our illustrious list member, John Miranda Raposo, whose Miranda is also from Sao Miguel, probably Bretanha. You also mention Moura, but it doesn't seem in connection with Medeiros. I have 49 named Moura in my genealogy program, a tiny fraction, and the majority seem to be from either the continent or Madeira, with some in Sao Miguel and some in Faial, one in Pico, and a few in Terceira. So that doesn't really tell me much, but I think Sao Miguel might have a great many using the name Moura. On the whole, I would say your friend's Medeiros is most likely Sao Miguel. And since it's also more common for people from Sao Miguel to settle in New England, that's another thing leading to this conclusion. If this Medeiros family had moved to CA, then it might also mean they were going where their families had settled and Faial or Pico are better represented in CA when looking at percentages. I would place a heavy importance on finding them as immigrants. Philip is far less common a first name than most and that is in your favor. Try searching passengers arriving in Boston, New Bedford and maybe also NY if the first two don't work. But look for Filipe de Medeiros (or maybe Filipe Medeiros). I believe his arrival would be before the gap in passport records out of Ponta Deldada, Sao Miguel. So if you can find his arrival, look for the corresponding departure from Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel. That should get you off to a decent start. Boa sorte (good luck)! Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] MEDEIROS from unknown Island From: Betty bbffr...@comcast.net Date: Tue, April 23, 2013 2:13 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi Doug, For several years, as I have time, I try to help my husband's cousin with his MEDEIROS / MIRANDA family-tree. (actually his father's cousin) He is more interested in finding descendants of .. Philip and Mary (MIRANDA) MEDEIROS, who reportedly had 8 children. The 1900 US census for Cambridge, MA, has Mrs. Medeiros as a widow, and having 6 children with her. The family migrated here in 1889, and the last 3 children were born here. It seems Mr. Medeiros died between 1895-1900, as he fathered a child in 1895. In 1910, only the 2 youngest, as teens, were with her, and I can't locate the older children. One side note is that I looked on census pages early this morning, and there were 4 other MEDEIROS families, almost in the same neighborhood, and arriving around the same time, including: Joseph, b1869, Frank, b1857, Victor, b1862. Mrs. Mary (MIRANDA) MEDEIROS was b1859. The problem is that most of them just say born Portugal. I'd like to help the cousin find his ancestry. Doug just mentioned
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores -Genealogy Silvia from Madeira Island
Will, You're welcome. I'm just up the road in Pleasanton. My wife's family are from Ponta do Sol, Madeira, and some of the cousins family are from Arco de Calheta. They re Abreu, Rodrigues,Pita, and Freitas. Eric Edgar On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Will Clinton w...@americanfamilyfundinggroup.com wrote: Eric, ** ** Thank you --thank you--if I can ever do any running around the San Jose Ca for you I will be happy to do it. Our family now need to plan a trip to Madeira. ** ** WILL CLINTON Partner, American Family Funding Group--NMLS #870538 DRE#00842858--NMLS #339741 Specializing in FHA, VA,MCC, CA PERS, REVERSE MORTGAGES COMMERCIAL, AND OF COURSE FANNIE AND FREDDIE PRODUCTS 1190 SO BASCOM AVE #215 SAN JOSE, CA 95128 408-297-6800 x 1702 408-273-6013 EFAX ** ** *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *eric edgar *Sent:* Tuesday, April 23, 2013 8:36 PM *To:* Azores Genealogy *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores -Genealogy Silvia from Madeira Island ** ** **· ** **· ** **· ** **· ***Ano:* **· ** **· ***Data:* 1891 **· ***Paróquia / Conservatória:* Arco da Calheta ** ** **· ***MARIDO:* João da Silva do Pomar Júnior **· ***Pai:* **· ***Mãe:* ** ** **· ***MULHER:* Dionísia de Jesus **· ***Pai:* **· ***Mãe:* ** ** **· ***Livro:* 4285 **· ***Folha:* 5 v.º ** ** ** ** ** ** **· ***Ano:* **· ***Data:* 1864 **· ***Paróquia / Conservatória:* Arco da Calheta ** ** **· ***MARIDO:* António José da Silva Júnior **· ***Pai:* **· ***Mãe:* ** ** **· ***MULHER:* Dionísia de Jesus **· ***Pai:* **· ***Mãe:* ** ** **· ***Livro:* 4258 **· ***Folha:* 9 v.º ** ** On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:31 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Will, ** ** Here's the baptism record for Agostinho giving the father's name **· ***Data:* 02-11-1902 **· ***Paróquia / Conservatória:* Arco da Calheta ** ** **· ***FILHO:* Agostinho **· ***Pai:* João da Silva **· ***Mãe:* Dionísia de Jesus ** ** **· ***Livro:* 7450 **· ***Folha:* 57 v.º ** ** ** ** http://www.arquivo-madeira.org/item1.php?lang=1id_channel=40id_page=285* *** ** ** This is the Madeira Archives site. Happy Hunting ** ** Eric Edgar ** ** ** ** ** ** On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:26 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Here you go Will. This is their passport leaving Madeira ** ** They are from Arco de Calheta, Madeira ** ** Petitioner Dionísia de Jesus Spouse Companion Kinship Parish/Country Arco da Calheta-RAM Destination Nova Iorque-USA Year 1912 Month Mar Box 165 Process Nº 141 Passport Nº 366 Date of Baptism (Petitioner) Age (Petitioner) 39 Father (Petitioner) António José da Silva Júnior Mother (Petitioner) Father (Spouse) Mother (Spouse) Name of the Children Manuel (12 anos), Agostinho (9 anos), Domingos (6 anos) e Alfredo (3 anos) Comments Estado civil: viúva. ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Will Clinton w...@americanfamilyfundinggroup.com wrote: Hi, I am new to the group and I am working on my wife's side of our family tree. The ancestor I am working on currently is Dionesia (Rose) Jesus Silvia--born 1872 in Cape Verde-Madeira (Azores) Portugal. Arrived in Boston March 29, 1910. She had 4 boys Manuel, Agostinho (August) my wife's grandfather, Domingo, and Afred. She died December 12, 1949 (I think--haven't verified yet). If this is correct then her parents were Antono Dutra and Anna Clara and came from city of Funchal on Madeira Island. I am not sure of her husband but he died before she came to America. Any help would be greatly appreciated. WILL CLINTON Partner, American Family Funding Group--NMLS #870538 DRE#00842858--NMLS #339741 Specializing in FHA, VA,MCC, CA PERS, REVERSE MORTGAGES COMMERCIAL, AND OF COURSE FANNIE AND FREDDIE PRODUCTS 1190 SO BASCOM AVE #215 SAN JOSE, CA 95128 408-297-6800 x 1702 408-273-6013 EFAX -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores -Genealogy Silvia from Madeira Island
Here you go Will. This is their passport leaving Madeira They are from Arco de Calheta, Madeira PetitionerDionísia de JesusSpouseCompanionKinshipParish/CountryArco da Calheta-RAMDestinationNova Iorque-USAYear1912MonthMarBox165Process Nº141Passport Nº366Date of Baptism (Petitioner)Age (Petitioner)39Father (Petitioner)António José da Silva JúniorMother (Petitioner)Father (Spouse)Mother (Spouse)Name of the ChildrenManuel (12 anos), Agostinho (9 anos), Domingos (6 anos) e Alfredo (3 anos)CommentsEstado civil: viúva. On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Will Clinton w...@americanfamilyfundinggroup.com wrote: Hi, ** ** I am new to the group and I am working on my wife's side of our family tree. The ancestor I am working on currently is Dionesia (Rose) Jesus Silvia--born 1872 in Cape Verde-Madeira (Azores) Portugal. Arrived in Boston March 29, 1910. She had 4 boys Manuel, Agostinho (August) my wife's grandfather, Domingo, and Afred. She died December 12, 1949 (I think--haven't verified yet). If this is correct then her parents were Antono Dutra and Anna Clara and came from city of Funchal on Madeira Island. I am not sure of her husband but he died before she came to America. Any help would be greatly appreciated. ** ** WILL CLINTON Partner, American Family Funding Group--NMLS #870538 DRE#00842858--NMLS #339741 Specializing in FHA, VA,MCC, CA PERS, REVERSE MORTGAGES COMMERCIAL, AND OF COURSE FANNIE AND FREDDIE PRODUCTS 1190 SO BASCOM AVE #215 SAN JOSE, CA 95128 408-297-6800 x 1702 408-273-6013 EFAX ** ** -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en. attachment: madeira map.gif
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores -Genealogy Silvia from Madeira Island
Will, Here's the baptism record for Agostinho giving the father's name - *Data:* 02-11-1902 - *Paróquia / Conservatória:* Arco da Calheta - *FILHO:* Agostinho - *Pai:* João da Silva - *Mãe:* Dionísia de Jesus - *Livro:* 7450 - *Folha:* 57 v.º http://www.arquivo-madeira.org/item1.php?lang=1id_channel=40id_page=285 This is the Madeira Archives site. Happy Hunting Eric Edgar On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:26 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Here you go Will. This is their passport leaving Madeira They are from Arco de Calheta, Madeira Petitioner Dionísia de JesusSpouse Companion Kinship Parish/Country Arco da Calheta-RAMDestination Nova Iorque-USAYear 1912Month MarBox 165Process Nº 141Passport Nº 366Date of Baptism (Petitioner) Age (Petitioner) 39Father (Petitioner) António José da Silva JúniorMother (Petitioner) Father (Spouse) Mother (Spouse) Name of the Children Manuel (12 anos), Agostinho (9 anos), Domingos (6 anos) e Alfredo (3 anos) CommentsEstado civil: viúva. On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Will Clinton w...@americanfamilyfundinggroup.com wrote: Hi, ** ** I am new to the group and I am working on my wife's side of our family tree. The ancestor I am working on currently is Dionesia (Rose) Jesus Silvia--born 1872 in Cape Verde-Madeira (Azores) Portugal. Arrived in Boston March 29, 1910. She had 4 boys Manuel, Agostinho (August) my wife's grandfather, Domingo, and Afred. She died December 12, 1949 (I think--haven't verified yet). If this is correct then her parents were Antono Dutra and Anna Clara and came from city of Funchal on Madeira Island. I am not sure of her husband but he died before she came to America. Any help would be greatly appreciated. ** ** WILL CLINTON Partner, American Family Funding Group--NMLS #870538 DRE#00842858--NMLS #339741 Specializing in FHA, VA,MCC, CA PERS, REVERSE MORTGAGES COMMERCIAL, AND OF COURSE FANNIE AND FREDDIE PRODUCTS 1190 SO BASCOM AVE #215 SAN JOSE, CA 95128 408-297-6800 x 1702 408-273-6013 EFAX ** ** -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores -Genealogy Silvia from Madeira Island
- - * * - * * - *Ano:* - - *Data:* 1891 - *Paróquia / Conservatória:* Arco da Calheta - *MARIDO:* João da Silva do Pomar Júnior - *Pai:* - *Mãe:* - *MULHER:* Dionísia de Jesus - *Pai:* - *Mãe:* - *Livro:* 4285 - *Folha:* 5 v.º - *Ano:* - *Data:* 1864 - *Paróquia / Conservatória:* Arco da Calheta - *MARIDO:* António José da Silva Júnior - *Pai:* - *Mãe:* - *MULHER:* Dionísia de Jesus - *Pai:* - *Mãe:* - *Livro:* 4258 - *Folha:* 9 v.º On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:31 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Will, Here's the baptism record for Agostinho giving the father's name - *Data:* 02-11-1902 - *Paróquia / Conservatória:* Arco da Calheta - *FILHO:* Agostinho - *Pai:* João da Silva - *Mãe:* Dionísia de Jesus - *Livro:* 7450 - *Folha:* 57 v.º http://www.arquivo-madeira.org/item1.php?lang=1id_channel=40id_page=285 This is the Madeira Archives site. Happy Hunting Eric Edgar On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:26 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Here you go Will. This is their passport leaving Madeira They are from Arco de Calheta, Madeira Petitioner Dionísia de JesusSpouse Companion Kinship Parish/Country Arco da Calheta-RAMDestination Nova Iorque-USAYear 1912Month MarBox 165Process Nº 141Passport Nº 366Date of Baptism (Petitioner) Age (Petitioner) 39Father (Petitioner) António José da Silva JúniorMother (Petitioner) Father (Spouse) Mother (Spouse) Name of the Children Manuel (12 anos), Agostinho (9 anos), Domingos (6 anos) e Alfredo (3 anos) CommentsEstado civil: viúva. On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Will Clinton w...@americanfamilyfundinggroup.com wrote: Hi, ** ** I am new to the group and I am working on my wife's side of our family tree. The ancestor I am working on currently is Dionesia (Rose) Jesus Silvia--born 1872 in Cape Verde-Madeira (Azores) Portugal. Arrived in Boston March 29, 1910. She had 4 boys Manuel, Agostinho (August) my wife's grandfather, Domingo, and Afred. She died December 12, 1949 (I think--haven't verified yet). If this is correct then her parents were Antono Dutra and Anna Clara and came from city of Funchal on Madeira Island. I am not sure of her husband but he died before she came to America. Any help would be greatly appreciated. ** ** WILL CLINTON Partner, American Family Funding Group--NMLS #870538 DRE#00842858--NMLS #339741 Specializing in FHA, VA,MCC, CA PERS, REVERSE MORTGAGES COMMERCIAL, AND OF COURSE FANNIE AND FREDDIE PRODUCTS 1190 SO BASCOM AVE #215 SAN JOSE, CA 95128 408-297-6800 x 1702 408-273-6013 EFAX ** ** -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pat Amaral: Stone Fleet and Conversos
David, Looking over the Stone Fleet history, since they were mostly using old whaling ships , it's reasonable that they would be using the men who had sailed them before. Probably on a privateer basis. The only databases that cover that area of the Civil War I've found is the Casualty ,Drownings, and Accident books for Naval ships at Ancestry. I've looked at some and they cover the time period and list the ships name. This can be compared to the ships listed for the Stone Fleet. I didn't see any Hurd or Terra . The Converso background for Silveira Cardoso from Lajes das Pico interests me. These are my people, related to my Silveira Soares family. The only place likely to have documents on this would be inquisition files at Torre deTombo. There are some sites I've seen for Sephardic Portuguese. I'll take a look at them. On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 12:13 AM, David dsdscorn...@gmail.com wrote: When I started working on the family history as a teen in the '70s, I maintained for a while a lively correspondence with Pat Amaral, one of the leaders in establishing Portuguese-American genealogy. I understand that she passed away some years ago. Pat informed me that my g'g'grandfather Antonio Hurd / António da Terra had served the Union during the Civil War, as a sailor in the Stone Fleet (sometimes called the Great Stone Fleet). (For those not familiar with this attempt to blockade Confederate harbors, here's an overview: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Fleet) I have combed through Union records (from during the period as well as later records regarding veterans and pensioners) but found no mention of my g'g'grandfather under any conceivable variant of his anglicized name or of his original Portuguese name. I'm thinking that perhaps the sailors of the Stone Fleet were never formally enlisted in the Union Navy... I have my side of my correspondence with Pat in storage in a different city, but as I recall she didn't indicate what her source was. Does anyone else here have an ancestor who (actually or allegedly) sailed with the Stone Fleet, and thus has familiarity with the relevant sources? And/or does anyone know what Pat did with her source materials collection -- i.e., is it in a library somewhere, or otherwise accessible to researchers? She also insisted to me (again, iirc, without naming her source(s)) that certain of my families were of known Converso descent, e.g., Silveira Cardoso from Lajes do Pico. For this reason too I'd love to know whether her source materials have been preserved and are accessible somewhere. Thanks in advance, David da Silva Cornell Miami, FL Researching the following surnames: Faial - Terra (unknown freguesia(s)) Flores - Freitas, Lourenço, Coelho (unknown freguesia(s)) Pico - Silveira Cardoso, Macedo, Machado, Pereira Madruga, Ferreira, Cardoso, Cardoso Machado, Vieira, Bettencourt, Dutra, Castanho, Homem, Goulart, Quaresma, Moniz, Barreto, Silveira, Mancebo, Pereira, Álvares (all Lajes do Pico) S. Jorge - Silva, Botelho, Azevedo, Cardoso (Urzelina); Silva, Azevedo, Cardoso (Santo António in Norte Grande) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1854 baptismal record from Flores, plus Flores/Corvo and Faial questions
Ralph, I have a database of Cedros, Flores. My gg grandfather was from there. I don't have your Agostinho Jose, but I'll take a look around for him and get back to you. Eric Edgar On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Ralph Sellars resj...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello David: I have been reading your post with interest. I am a novice at Azores genealogy so I don't know how to address issues but post to ask a question. Have you discovered any of your Silveira's may have come from Cedros, Flores which is on the north east shore ? I have a great grandfather known in the states as Manuel Lewis ! He was a mariner/fisherman who resided in Provincetown Massachusetts. His USA papers show him born in Flores in 1834. I have recently learned the following: Translation:** Manuel, son of José Joaquim da Silveira and his wife Catarina Luísa, paternal grandson of captain Agostinho José da Silveira and Rita Ináciaand maternal of Manuel Inácio da Silveira and Ana Joaquina, both native of Cedros, Flores Island, was born on 10 July 1834 and was baptized on the 11th, in Cedros. Witnesses were João José and Manuel Francisco. This was the only Manuel found born in 1834 to a father named Jose and mother named Catarina in a search of seven Flores freguesias. I don't have any sense of how mobile families were on the Island, community to community, but having many of the same names, Silveira, Jose, Ana/Anna, Inacia, etc. I am wondering if we may be distantly related? Manuel is my mothers grandfather. I am wondering if I might have a DNA test made. I don't know if it would tell us anything compared to your test or which test would be necessary. What test did you have made. *Ralph E. Sellars, Jr. * *E-Mail resj...@yahoo.com* ** *From:* David dsdscorn...@gmail.com *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, April 21, 2013 2:27 AM *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1854 baptismal record from Flores, plus Flores/Corvo and Faial questions Yes, I had already seen the passport application, and this is indeed my Antonio and Anna Hurd. The date of birth differs, though, from some other records, all of which however are 1844-45. The Ribeirinha record is interesting -- where did you get it, the UMinhosite? -- but, aside from the 7 day difference in birth date, it also conflicts with the information listed on his 1870 Providence marriage certificate, where his parents are listed (anglicized) as Manuel and Rose and so presumably the correct names are Manuel and Rosa. While the Ribeirinha Maria Rosa may be my Rosa, it seems less likely that the Ribeirinha Francisco Inácio da Terra is my Manuel. Can't wait for CCA to finish loading all of Faial, so looks like it's time for microfiche at the LDS FHC... Thanks again, David da Silva Cornell On Friday, April 19, 2013 3:29:42 PM UTC-4, luiznoia wrote: Here's a better choice for Antonio Hurd. The attached Passport from 1903 is clearly Antonio and Anna Hurd He shows he was born at Faial on 6 Sep1844 António Nascido(a) a 13 de Junho de 1844 - Ribeirinha Falecido(a) Pais Francisco Inácio da Terra 1814-1880 Maria Rosa 1809-1844 He states he is returning to New Bedford where he runs a boarding house. The difference of 7 days may be between birth and baptism Eric Edgar On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:12 AM, eric edgar nobla...@gmail.com wrote: Flores marriage book doesn't show anything record for Bernardo Joze Lourenco. The 1870 census shows Anna is eighteen, as does her marriage record of the same year. That puts her birth at 1851-1852. Obit for their son from Diario de Noticias attached . I've searched my Flores databases for Anna with out success. I have many Coelho, Lourenco and Freitas families related to mine. I think this is the origin of your Terra family in Faial : *António Inácio da Terra* * * * * *Nascido a 25 de Abril de 1800 - Pedro Miguel* * * *Casado a 29 de Maio de 1841 com Rosa Perpétua de Jesus 1808 * * * *Pais* * * *Manuel Inácio Furtado da Terra 1773-1848 * *Eugénia Rosa de Jesus 1771-1834* The obit shows that Antonio Inacio da Terra was known as Antonio Pequeno This article shows that Antonio Furtado is known as Antonio Pequeno. Eric Edgar On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:38 PM, David da Silva Cornell dsdsc...@gmail.com wrote: It has been several years since I last posted here, but I'm still quite grateful for the help I received here. After a hiatus in my research, I have been getting back into the swing of things and could really use a helping hand -- or, actually, helping eyes -- again. I have located what I believe is the baptismal record of my great-great-grandmother, who emigrated to Providence at age 9, and prior to her marriage to my great-great-grandfather Antone/Antonio Hurd (born Antonio da Terra on Faial, son of Manuel and Roza) was known in the US records as Anna Freitas/Frates/Fratis. Previously, I only knew
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1854 baptismal record from Flores, plus Flores/Corvo and Faial questions
Ralph, Here's an entry from the Flores history book , military section, on Agostinho *Agostinho Jose da Silveira, Capitan, was the son of Joao Rodrigues Serpa and Maria Valadao, and was married to Rita Inacia , the daughter of Antonio Pimentel Armas and Ana Pimentel, who had * * * *Joao Jose da Silveira, born 23 June 1797, and alfreres Inacio Jose da Silveira. In 1809 he commanded a company of ordanance at Cedros.* Eric Edgar On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Ralph Sellars resj...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello David: I have been reading your post with interest. I am a novice at Azores genealogy so I don't know how to address issues but post to ask a question. Have you discovered any of your Silveira's may have come from Cedros, Flores which is on the north east shore ? I have a great grandfather known in the states as Manuel Lewis ! He was a mariner/fisherman who resided in Provincetown Massachusetts. His USA papers show him born in Flores in 1834. I have recently learned the following: Translation:** Manuel, son of José Joaquim da Silveira and his wife Catarina Luísa, paternal grandson of captain Agostinho José da Silveira and Rita Ináciaand maternal of Manuel Inácio da Silveira and Ana Joaquina, both native of Cedros, Flores Island, was born on 10 July 1834 and was baptized on the 11th, in Cedros. Witnesses were João José and Manuel Francisco. This was the only Manuel found born in 1834 to a father named Jose and mother named Catarina in a search of seven Flores freguesias. I don't have any sense of how mobile families were on the Island, community to community, but having many of the same names, Silveira, Jose, Ana/Anna, Inacia, etc. I am wondering if we may be distantly related? Manuel is my mothers grandfather. I am wondering if I might have a DNA test made. I don't know if it would tell us anything compared to your test or which test would be necessary. What test did you have made. *Ralph E. Sellars, Jr. * *E-Mail resj...@yahoo.com* ** *From:* David dsdscorn...@gmail.com *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, April 21, 2013 2:27 AM *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1854 baptismal record from Flores, plus Flores/Corvo and Faial questions Yes, I had already seen the passport application, and this is indeed my Antonio and Anna Hurd. The date of birth differs, though, from some other records, all of which however are 1844-45. The Ribeirinha record is interesting -- where did you get it, the UMinhosite? -- but, aside from the 7 day difference in birth date, it also conflicts with the information listed on his 1870 Providence marriage certificate, where his parents are listed (anglicized) as Manuel and Rose and so presumably the correct names are Manuel and Rosa. While the Ribeirinha Maria Rosa may be my Rosa, it seems less likely that the Ribeirinha Francisco Inácio da Terra is my Manuel. Can't wait for CCA to finish loading all of Faial, so looks like it's time for microfiche at the LDS FHC... Thanks again, David da Silva Cornell On Friday, April 19, 2013 3:29:42 PM UTC-4, luiznoia wrote: Here's a better choice for Antonio Hurd. The attached Passport from 1903 is clearly Antonio and Anna Hurd He shows he was born at Faial on 6 Sep1844 António Nascido(a) a 13 de Junho de 1844 - Ribeirinha Falecido(a) Pais Francisco Inácio da Terra 1814-1880 Maria Rosa 1809-1844 He states he is returning to New Bedford where he runs a boarding house. The difference of 7 days may be between birth and baptism Eric Edgar On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:12 AM, eric edgar nobla...@gmail.com wrote: Flores marriage book doesn't show anything record for Bernardo Joze Lourenco. The 1870 census shows Anna is eighteen, as does her marriage record of the same year. That puts her birth at 1851-1852. Obit for their son from Diario de Noticias attached . I've searched my Flores databases for Anna with out success. I have many Coelho, Lourenco and Freitas families related to mine. I think this is the origin of your Terra family in Faial : *António Inácio da Terra* * * * * *Nascido a 25 de Abril de 1800 - Pedro Miguel* * * *Casado a 29 de Maio de 1841 com Rosa Perpétua de Jesus 1808 * * * *Pais* * * *Manuel Inácio Furtado da Terra 1773-1848 * *Eugénia Rosa de Jesus 1771-1834* The obit shows that Antonio Inacio da Terra was known as Antonio Pequeno This article shows that Antonio Furtado is known as Antonio Pequeno. Eric Edgar On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:38 PM, David da Silva Cornell dsdsc...@gmail.com wrote: It has been several years since I last posted here, but I'm still quite grateful for the help I received here. After a hiatus in my research, I have been getting back into the swing of things and could really use a helping hand -- or, actually, helping eyes -- again. I have located what I believe is the baptismal record of my great-great-grandmother, who
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Identifying Pico Ancestry
Paul, Try searching them here. http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias.html This the NEPS site people mention. You have to take your search parish by parish Eric Edgar On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Paul Rapoza prapoz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have 3rd great-grandparents who lived in the New Bedford, Mass area that I've had no luck tracing back to the Azores yet. According to some census and death records of children, they hailed from Pico but I do not know the village. It is likely one or both of them came from Lajes do Pico, as I have several FTDNA autosomal matches whose ancestry were from that village. This is what I have: Manuel Vera/ Viera (aka Manuel Grace) b. about 1839 in Pico Son of Manuel and Joaquine He married... Catherine Brum/Brown (aka Catharine Conceicao) b. about 1839 in Pico Daughter of Joseph (Jose) W. Deporum (Brum?) and Isabella They married in New Bedford in December of 1865. They had two children that I know of: Manuel G. Viera b.1866 in New Bedford and John Joseph Vera b. 1872 (my 2nd great-grandfather). I would appreciate any info or clues anyone may have! Paul -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 1910 Census record on Ancestry
I think the Brazil is crossed out and unknown is written. Manuel goes back and forth on the censuses between saying Azores and Brazil. Find a Grave shows Manuel S Martin 1877-1951 and Florence Martin in the Lemoore cemetery. CDI shows his mothers maiden as DeGloria. His brother Frank's draft shows him as Frank V Martin Portuguese newspaper O lavrador Portuguese, 1926 shows Manuel S Martin is the president of the local fraternal org and he's in Stratford, Kings county There is a Manuel Martin 17 yrs old on the Peninsular 31 May 1895 http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=7488path=1895.05.31.27sid=gskw=Manuel+Cabral Eric edgar On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: On Ancestry.com, I turned off the Enhanced Images (under Options), and I think it said he was born in Brazil, but it's crossed out and looks like S. America above. But I'm not sure, as the end of the word America doesn't look like ica on the end. Immigrated 1898? and is an alien. Florence came in 1906, I think. Frank, his brother with Mary, Frank's wife (says sister-in-law), and their daughter, Delores? their child (niece of Manuel), age 6/12 months. I tried Family Search, but it looks like it directs me back to Ancestry or tells me I have to go to a FHC. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fw: Portuguese Recipes website.
Cindy, It sounds like Bifanas to me. Pork with garlic, paprika, piri piri sauce, vin verde marinade, fried, served on rolls. Dozens of recipes on the web Eric Edgar On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Cindy D kcci...@aol.com wrote: I hate to go off-topic, but I need some help. Since I posted this, I make cacoila at least once a year now, so my 85yr old mom gets a taste of Portuguese. I've refined the recipe from those I've collected on the web. Funny because I must have some DNA memory of it as it smells so dam familiar and comforting when it's cooking. Today is Cacciola day again. anyway, my question is, would someone please give me the correct spelling, from the Azorean way. And would someone please write it out phonetically so I know how to pronounce it. I'm sure I'm butchering it more than the beef. CindyD On Thursday, August 9, 2007 9:21:40 AM UTC-5, Cindy D wrote: Terrific web site Arlene, Thanks! I still make Fejouada once a year, but I will say my hand-me-down recipe is WAY different than the one at the site. I guess mine is an American update. (I got it handed down from a family that at one time owned a cork farm, and heard that Portuguese cork is the best in the world.) I would like to tap the brain pool here, even though it's a bit off-topic. When I was in New Bedford about 20 years ago, my mom got us carry-out what she called Portagee Barbeque, she gave the Portuguese name for it but I've long forgotten it. Now I live in Kansas City where BBQ is practically a religion, but I will say that I can still remember that Portagee fork-tender BBQ'ed meat served on a bread roll similar to french bread. Does anyone know what it was?? Or have a recipe? It's so different from the smokey, tomatoey BBQ around here, and it was to die for. It was probably a tomato based sauce as it was reddish-brown, but I swear I could taste a hint of cinnamon and maybe a dab of clove in it.could have been beef, could have been pork, I don't remember, it's been at least 20 years, but the meat would melt in your mouth even though the chunks were decent sized. It came in those white Chinese-style carry out boxes. Any ideas?? Thanks Cindy D Remembering good Portugese food from out on the scalding hot prairie. From: Arlene Marcoux Date: 8/7/2007 3:04:12 PM To: Azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fw: Portuguese Recipes website. Subject: Portuguese Recipes website. I was exploring on the web for Portuguese recipes and thought you might like to check out this website if don't already have it. http://fooddownunder.com/cgi-**bin/search.cgi?q=portugalhttp://fooddownunder.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=portugal Arlene -- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.comhttp://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000982 . -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Old Cemeteries in San Jose, CA
Pam, Have you tried here? http://usgwtombstones.org/california/santaclara.html or the Santa Clara county archives. Colud be a will, probate or inquest http://www.sccgov.org/sites/ceo/County%20Archives/Online%20Databases/Pages/Online-Databases.aspx Eric EDgar On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to find the names of the old catholic Cemeteries in San Jose, CA circa 1930's. I finally narrowed down to two dates for Joseph Santos. Unfortunately an Obit would help but I do not have access to San Jose Mercury. So if anyone knows the names I think one is Calvary but I think there is another one. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passenger List for New Bedford, MA 1884
Eddie, The New Bedford arrivals are in the Ancestry Immigration area under U.S., Atlantic Ports Passenger Lists, http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8758enc=1 This covers Providence, New Bedford and many smaller ports. You may want to check Doug Holmes Portuguese Ship Master list. Are you looking there to determine what island he came from? Sometimes you can do that by finding his marriage record at Familysearch.org. Was he married when he came over? Some times the WW1 draftcard states the island. Most of the Azevedo Machado seen on shiplists are from Sao Jorge. There are also some seen from Santa Maria. When I can;t find anything else about someone, I start investigating everyone around them. Eric On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Eddie Machado avidedito...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I am looking for any passenger lists for ships arriving in New Bedford, MA in 1884. My GG Grandfather noted on the 1910 census that he immigrated in 1884, but I can't find any lists that have him. Ancestry and Family Search also have no records. Any help would be appreciated. My GG Grandfathers name is Frank A. Machado (Francisco d'Azevedo Machado) -Eddie -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bischo/Bisho
The Lourenco Bixo family is found in Lajes, Flores records back to 1790. The Beigo surname is seem in the Santa Cruz , Flores records from the late 1700s to about 1860, and is not seen after that. Furtado Bicho appears in the 1850s in Santa Cruz, Flores Antonio Inacio Bicho of Santa Cruz marries in Corvo in 1872. Valadao Bico appears in Cedros and Ponta Delgada Flores in the 1770s. Eric Edgar On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote: Okay I asked a fellow researcher awhile back and she said it meant smelly fish. Why would someone use that as a surnmae? Is it a cunha? Why would they use their real surname of Medeiros and sometimes use Bischo/Bisho? Pam -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Melo Family (deMello, Mello)
Nate, According to the 1930 census Edward J b. 1927 and Elvita born 1922 , Mello's parents were Manuel S and Mary C. If these are the correct people, then this is the second marriage record, making Francisco the great great grandfather Name:Manuel Souza MelloTitles and Terms:Event Type:MarriageEvent Date:21 Nov 1912Event Place:Cambridge, , MassachusettsGender:MaleAge:31Marital Status:WidowedRace:Birth Date:1881Birthplace:, , Western IslandsRegistration Year:Registration Place:Cambridge, , MassachusettsBirth Year (Estimated): 1881Father's Name:Frank S Mellohttps://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N4XR-MBWFather's Titles and Terms:Mother's Name:Marie Jesushttps://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N4XR-MB4Mother's Titles and Terms:Spouse's Name:Mary Cora Ferreirahttps://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N4XR-MBHSpouse's Titles and Terms:Spouse's Race:Spouse's Marital Status:Spouse's Father's Name:Frank M Ferreira https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N4XR-MBCSpouse's Father's Titles and Terms:Spouse's Mother's Name:Mary Rogershttps://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N4XR-MBZSpouse's Mother's Titles and Terms:Certificate Number:11283GS Film number:2409943Digital Folder Number:4329368Image Number:00710Number of Images:1 Eric Edgar On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:05 PM, natelme...@gmail.com wrote: Shirley, I was just going through some of our family history this weekend. My grandfather (edward mello) His brother (james) and has 2 other brothers and oldest sister Elvita grew up outside Cambridge. Elvita who is in her late 80's has a lot of great Mello pictures, post cards and letters from the late 1800 and early 1900. I believe my great grandfather *Fransico was married 2x*.(this was a shock to my grandfather) His first wife died at 32 of a heart attack. He then remarried and had my grandfather and his sibilings. Will try to upload pics. Best Regards -Nate Mello -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Immigration Records located in Fayal
Marguerite Rosa https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NW4S-B9Y Massachusetts, Deaths, 1841-1915 birth:1892AZORES ISLANDSresidence:04 Feb 1894LOWELL, MASSACHUSETTS, USA death:04 Feb 1894Lowell, Massachusettsburial:LOWELL, MASSACHUSETTS, USA On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Fawnie fawn.un...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Eric, Thank you so much for this record. Do you know if it indicates the month and/or day of the year that Marguerite died of Typhoid Fever? Much Appreciation, Fawn On Thursday, March 7, 2013 1:01:20 PM UTC-5, luiznoia wrote: Fawn, Here you'll find attached the remarraige of Gertrude G.da Rosa to Joseph Martins in 1902 , New Bedford. Both from Fayal her parents Jose Gracia Rosa and Maria Luiza. Also death record for child Marguerite Rosa of Typhoid Fever in 1895, Lowell Mass, parents , Jose Rosa and Gertrudis Gracia, both of Western Islands. ( Azores Islands or more specifically the western island group of Fayal, Flores, Corvo,) Eric Edgar On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 4:07 AM, Fawnie fawn@gmail.com wrote: Good Day, I am hoping for guidance with this question: How would I find Immigration records, in Fayal, for relatives that left there and came to Cambridge, MA? I only have the immigration year. It is for my Great-Great Grandparents and Great-Grandmother. Joseph and Gertrude DaRosa immigrated, with their daughter, Mary, to Cambridge, MA from Fayal, Azores in 1893. Is there a way to find these records? I am unable to find the ship log. Also, Gertrude never became naturalized. Joseph died, soon after arriving, and never was naturalized, so those records are not available to me. I can't find any records for my Mary, either. I am hoping that there might be a departure record in Fayal. Is this a record that may be available? Thank you so much for your guidance. It is greatly appreciated. Respectfully, Fawn -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to Azores+un...@** googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/Azoreshttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@**googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help please
Lee,
If your using the NEPS site, the parish of Flamengos,Castel Branco, and a
few others are missing.
Eric Edgar
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Lee shorts...@suddenlink.net wrote:
Thanks to all of you for your help, and I agree this is NOT the Adelaide.
I've gone through the available (so far) records of Faial and neither
mother or son are there. They apparently are in another parish on the
island. I'll just keep an eye out for when the others become available.
Also, no luck with Graciosa since there records are not online yet either.
Lee
On Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:29:07 PM UTC-5, luiznoia wrote:
I'm going to weigh in here and say it's not the same person we're looking
for.
There is no Andrade found in her family background. I'm thinking the
baptism name may be
Adelina.
Eric Edgar
On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Lee shor...@suddenlink.net wrote:
Thank you Ary! Still working to prove whether she is the right
Adelaide or not...lol
On Saturday, March 2, 2013 4:21:51 PM UTC-5, aryas...@uol.com.br wrote:
Hi Lee,
Here is what I got from it!
The couple was single and they got this child (Adelaide). Then, a few
years (three) later
they got married , legitimated the child as their daughter (1872) and
that is why there is
the notation at the margin.
Date: 2 Aug 1869
Baptism of : Adelaide, born at 2 Mar 1869
Natural daughter (parents not married) of: Christiano Paulino da
Silveira (single) and
Maria
da Gloria (single).
Christiano parents: Joao Paulino da Silveira and Rosa Delfina
Maria parents: Antonio Silveira Jr. and Jacinta ...Pereira(?)
(Very poorly written...!)
Godfathers: Ilustrissimo (not a name, just a title!) Jose Antonio
Pimenta and Maria da Gloria
Coracao de Jesus.
(**Ilustrissi**mo does not pertain to the name of
the Godfather! It just just like calling him
Honourable, or something like that. He was an
important person thereIn Commerce!!!
Maybe priests were treating too well to get
benefits..).
As for the side notation, it says (briefly):
Adelaide was legitimated by the marriage of Christiano Paulino da
Silveira and Maria da Gloria,
and when they both received (married) in front of witnesses Francisco
Jorge do Souto and
Jose Pereira Dutra, they have recognized by legitimacy their daughter
as per
register #4 at Book of Marriages of this Parochial (Freguesia) @ year
1872.
All in all, an interesting history with a happy ending!...
Just hope someone can help you with the ...Pereira... surname, which
is not that cleat to me.
Hope it helps you.
Ary Santos
Sao Paulo/Brazil.
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Em 02/03/2013 17:12, *Lee shor...@suddenlink.net * escreveu:
I think I may have found the Baptism of Adelaide (Andrade/Aydra? - big
question on her surname - it is listed as Andrade/Aydra on two her son's
death records - but I have no real proff that Andrade was the surname she
used. I know that she was born between 1867-1870 in Faial.
Unfortunately I can't find the day/month of birth in the record. I
read the parents as Christiano Paulino da Silviera and Maria da Gloria.
Paternal grandparents as Paulino da Silviera and Rosa Delfina and maternal
as Antonio Silviera Junior and Luira? After this are several other
names listed (looks like a repeat of the grandparents names; but I'm not
sure of that.
Also, there is a very long notation in the margin on both pages (looks
read to read about someone's paternity or something like that - could some
help with that too?)
I've listed the links below - it stats with Item #24 on the bottom
right on the 1st page.
http://culturacores.azores.**gov**.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-**HT-**
CAPELO-B-1856-1870/FAL-HT-**CAPE**LO-B-1856-1870_item1/P168.**htmlhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1856-1870/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1856-1870_item1/P168.html
http://culturacores.azores.**gov**.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-**HT-**
CAPELO-B-1856-1870/FAL-HT-**CAPE**LO-B-1856-1870_item1/P169.**htmlhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1856-1870/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1856-1870_item1/P169.html
Any help greatly appreciated.
Lee, WV
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joseph Mary Dias
Gail, The California death index at Vitalsearch 1930-1939 shows a Mary S Dias spouses initial JS, died 5-1-1933 in Alameda County. She was 50 years old. Check the Oakland Tribune for the Obit Eric Edgar On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Gail Elizares geliza...@hawaii.rr.comwrote: Aloha to all, ** ** I need some advice on how to proceed. Mary Dias is my grandfather’s sister and I have been trying to find out where there are buried but right now I’ve hit a road block. Mary (deSouza) Dias was born around 1883, in Wainaku HI and married Joseph Dias who was born around 1874 in Portugal. The last known census I found them in was in 1930 in Brooklyn Township in Alameda County California. They had a daughter named Annie Dias who I found living with her sister Mary Joseph Correia in the 1940 census in San Leandro. From family members they were both dead by 1941 as they can remember. Assuming they died between 1930 and 1940 I tried ordering death certificates for that time period and they found none. I have searched on ancestry for any census, obituaries and death index and can’t find anything. Do any of you have suggestions as to where I should go from here? ** ** Thanks, ** ** Gail (Souza Dias) Elizares -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A town called Etras?
There is a Eiras, Coimbra, Portugal Eric Edgar On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Hi David P, There is no Etras in the Azores. I did a Google search and couldn't find one in Portugal either. Maybe someone else knows. But something tells me it's a corruption of another word. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Pacheco!!! How many they are?!?!?!
Eliseu, I have over 1100 people in my Flores and Pico databases, but not one Maria Pacheco. There are some surnames specific to certain islands or island groups. I do have about 150 each Maria and Manuel Rodrigues. Eric Edgar On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Eliseu, I have 7 Maria Pachecos in my database. I may have more that I need to enter. One of them I have no other information on. Two of them I have research for only 1 generation and they don't have a Pacheco parent. Another one I have research only for her paternal side and there's no Pacheco there (hmmm, that probably means I have the info for her maternal side somewhere)! The remaining 3 Marias do have a Pacheco ancestor. Two of them have a parent as a Pacheco and the third Maria has a grandparent as the Pacheco. Since I don't know about Portuguese history, is there a famous Pacheco? Would many people want that name because it is thought to be a good name? That's the only thing I can think of right now (beside my attempt at humor with my wine comment). Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Immigration Records located in Fayal
Fawn, I see a birth record for Palmira Rosa, parents Joseph Rosa and Gertrude Grace in Cambridge 5 Jan 1900. So Joseph died between April of 1899 and JUne 1900 , when the census was taken , and she was shown as widowed. Eric Edgar On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:01 AM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Fawn, Here you'll find attached the remarraige of Gertrude G.da Rosa to Joseph Martins in 1902 , New Bedford. Both from Fayal her parents Jose Gracia Rosa and Maria Luiza. Also death record for child Marguerite Rosa of Typhoid Fever in 1895, Lowell Mass, parents , Jose Rosa and Gertrudis Gracia, both of Western Islands. ( Azores Islands or more specifically the western island group of Fayal, Flores, Corvo,) Eric Edgar On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 4:07 AM, Fawnie fawn.un...@gmail.com wrote: Good Day, I am hoping for guidance with this question: How would I find Immigration records, in Fayal, for relatives that left there and came to Cambridge, MA? I only have the immigration year. It is for my Great-Great Grandparents and Great-Grandmother. Joseph and Gertrude DaRosa immigrated, with their daughter, Mary, to Cambridge, MA from Fayal, Azores in 1893. Is there a way to find these records? I am unable to find the ship log. Also, Gertrude never became naturalized. Joseph died, soon after arriving, and never was naturalized, so those records are not available to me. I can't find any records for my Mary, either. I am hoping that there might be a departure record in Fayal. Is this a record that may be available? Thank you so much for your guidance. It is greatly appreciated. Respectfully, Fawn -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico Ancestor, Manuel Brune b1839 d1907
They married in Monterey county in 1866. You might check to original record on microfilm to confirm the parents name. He was naturalized at Monterey on 23 Aug 1867 as evidenced by several Great Registers of Voters. He used Manuel Brown on most and Brune on some. There is no record on NEPS that fits parent and child on PIco. name:Manuel Bruno https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KZ3F-NHCevent type:Marriageevent date:13 Oct 1866event place:Monterey, California, United Statesgender:Maleage:27birth year (estimated):1839father's name:mother's name:spouse's name:Lugarda Espinosaspouse's age:17spouse's gender:Femalespouse's birth year (estimated):1849spouse's father's name:spouse's mother's name: page:gs film number:1290899digital folder number:004666490image number:00011 Eric Edgar -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico Ancestor, Manuel Brune b1839 d1907
JIm, Take a look at this NEPS site entry http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=cmadalena;lang=pt;i=44416;oc=4394 This is a Manuel born 3 April 1839 in Madelena, Pico father is Antonio Rosa Silveira and mother is Catarina Tomasia. Her father Jose Brum Silveira. Any old timer here can tell you a Azores child might take any number of surnames, including grandparents. Your Manuel's birthdate is listed as 4 Apr 1839, which could be the baptism date. Eric Edgar On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:14 AM, James Albertson biggerthanyo...@msn.comwrote: I'm trying to find information on my 3rd GGrandfather. Manuel Brune b1839 d1907. He arrived in the U.S. in 1865, Married Lugarda Espinosa in 1868. His parents were Antonio Brune and Catharine Silveria of Pico. I've been unable to find his place of arrival or naturalization records. In the 1900 census he is listed as naturalized. I know he is from Pico Island, but I need this information to (maybe) find the village he's from. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jim -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help please
Lee, The 1900 census says she was born Dec 1867, and the baptism is for March 1869. Doesn't means the census is right though. Needs more study. The side notation is saying that in 1879 there were witnesses attesting to the parentage of Adelaide, that she was the daughter of Christiano Paulino and his first wife, that that both of his wife's names were Maria de Gloria. Eric On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Lee shorts...@suddenlink.net wrote: I think I may have found the Baptism of Adelaide (Andrade/Aydra? - big question on her surname - it is listed as Andrade/Aydra on two her son's death records - but I have no real proff that Andrade was the surname she used. I know that she was born between 1867-1870 in Faial. Unfortunately I can't find the day/month of birth in the record. I read the parents as Christiano Paulino da Silviera and Maria da Gloria. Paternal grandparents as Paulino da Silviera and Rosa Delfina and maternal as Antonio Silviera Junior and Luira? After this are several other names listed (looks like a repeat of the grandparents names; but I'm not sure of that. Also, there is a very long notation in the margin on both pages (looks read to read about someone's paternity or something like that - could some help with that too?) I've listed the links below - it stats with Item #24 on the bottom right on the 1st page. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1856-1870/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1856-1870_item1/P168.html http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1856-1870/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1856-1870_item1/P169.html Any help greatly appreciated. Lee, WV -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help please
I'm going to weigh in here and say it's not the same person we're looking for. There is no Andrade found in her family background. I'm thinking the baptism name may be Adelina. Eric Edgar On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Lee shorts...@suddenlink.net wrote: Thank you Ary! Still working to prove whether she is the right Adelaide or not...lol On Saturday, March 2, 2013 4:21:51 PM UTC-5, aryas...@uol.com.br wrote: Hi Lee, Here is what I got from it! The couple was single and they got this child (Adelaide). Then, a few years (three) later they got married , legitimated the child as their daughter (1872) and that is why there is the notation at the margin. Date: 2 Aug 1869 Baptism of : Adelaide, born at 2 Mar 1869 Natural daughter (parents not married) of: Christiano Paulino da Silveira (single) and ** ** Maria da Gloria (single). Christiano parents: Joao Paulino da Silveira and Rosa Delfina Maria parents: Antonio Silveira Jr. and Jacinta ...Pereira(?) (Very poorly written...!) Godfathers: Ilustrissimo (not a name, just a title!) Jose Antonio Pimenta and Maria da Gloria Coracao de Jesus. (**Ilustrissimo does not pertain to the name of the Godfather! It just just like calling him Honourable, or something like that. He was an important person thereIn Commerce!!! Maybe priests were treating too well to get benefits..**). As for the side notation, it says (briefly): Adelaide was legitimated by the marriage of Christiano Paulino da Silveira and Maria da Gloria, and when they both received (married) in front of witnesses Francisco Jorge do Souto and Jose Pereira Dutra, they have recognized by legitimacy their daughter as per register #4 at Book of Marriages of this Parochial (Freguesia) @ year 1872. All in all, an interesting history with a happy ending!... Just hope someone can help you with the ...Pereira... surname, which is not that cleat to me. Hope it helps you. Ary Santos Sao Paulo/Brazil. ** -- Em 02/03/2013 17:12, *Lee shor...@suddenlink.net * escreveu: I think I may have found the Baptism of Adelaide (Andrade/Aydra? - big question on her surname - it is listed as Andrade/Aydra on two her son's death records - but I have no real proff that Andrade was the surname she used. I know that she was born between 1867-1870 in Faial. Unfortunately I can't find the day/month of birth in the record. I read the parents as Christiano Paulino da Silviera and Maria da Gloria. Paternal grandparents as Paulino da Silviera and Rosa Delfina and maternal as Antonio Silviera Junior and Luira? After this are several other names listed (looks like a repeat of the grandparents names; but I'm not sure of that. Also, there is a very long notation in the margin on both pages (looks read to read about someone's paternity or something like that - could some help with that too?) I've listed the links below - it stats with Item #24 on the bottom right on the 1st page. http://culturacores.azores.**gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-** HT-CAPELO-B-1856-1870/FAL-HT-**CAPELO-B-1856-1870_item1/P168.**htmlhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1856-1870/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1856-1870_item1/P168.html http://culturacores.azores.**gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-** HT-CAPELO-B-1856-1870/FAL-HT-**CAPELO-B-1856-1870_item1/P169.**htmlhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1856-1870/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1856-1870_item1/P169.html Any help greatly appreciated. Lee, WV -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to Azores+un...@** googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/Azoreshttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@**googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] LEWIS as a surname from Portugal
My mother's family surname is Luiz. That was her grandfather's middle name. He dropped the Noia when he came from Flores to California. Her father used Lewis for a time to sound more American. IT wasn't used by any of the family in Flores, or seen on his baptism record, so I'll assume it was a confirmation name he choose. Luiz is a spelling variation of Luis seen in Spain and Portugal and is seen as a surname, usually a compound one like da Costa Luiz. I've seen it more often in the western islands, Flores, Pico, Faial. Those islands had more Flemish settlers originally so spelling may have followed pronunciation. James Guill's Azores history book says it may have evolved from the Flemish, de Looze, or de Loose. Eric Edgar On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Kathleen Clark katclark...@gmail.comwrote: So here is my roadblock. My Grandfather's name on the 1940 Census is Louis R Lewis.Is it it unlikely that Louis is his real first name? I am new to the Portuguese naming conventions, and new to family tree research. The R is for Raposo and he was born in the Azores around 1908. He had several brothers in the Oakland, CA area. Ted Lewis and Frank Lewis are names that my mother has mentioned. Other than that I am at a total dead end. Thanks everyone for any help you can give. Kathleen Clark Researching: Lewis, George, Madeiros, Warren On Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:10:51 AM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote: Hi Betty, Lewis is Louis in Portuguese. Every time I've gone to the Azores, I had to have a passport to enter the country. So did everyone else in the line. Some with Portuguese passports who needed to show it to come back home. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas
John, Didn't work from the link . Says invitation expired, Eric Edgar On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 5:21 PM, John Machado john.e.mach...@gmail.comwrote: Edgar, Yes, John's Tree is mine. After reinstalling my op system and FTM my tree would no longer sync properly so I had to reupload, link and share. *Tree Link*http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/RSVP.aspx?dat=NTE5NDM3NjU7OzAwYjZkMzNhLTAwMDEtMDAwMC0wMDAwLTAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDttYWNoYWRvLmpvaG5AYXR0Lm5ldDsxmac=0V4QP2fyXmnxlZzxQLw5tQ== That should take you to the correct one. I was thinking that one possible explanation of Joseph Nichols showing up in the 1894 Great Registrar is that maybe he died shortly after registering. If the Joseph Nichols in my tree, who died in Sept 1893 (as evidenced by the internment log) it could be possible that the great registrar was produced the previous year and finally printed in 1894? I am confident on the birth location of Mary Agnes Silva based on her death record. Further evidence is based on the bio I attached earlier of her husband William Perry. It states the same information. I have not found any other documentation ie. birth certificates, marriage records or census records for NY. John . -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas
John, What do your know about Aunt Clara in the photo. Mary Esabella's sister ? Eric On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:29 PM, John Machado john.e.mach...@gmail.comwrote: Eric, Your requested photos. John -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas
Machado, I'm guessing youre 'right on the Great register. I thought it might be his son, but the age shown is 65. From the various sources his name is Jose F Nicolau. I've checked the Jose Francisco Nicolaus records from Flores and can rule out those. It may be Jose de Fraga Nicalau, or it he may be from Faial, where there are a group of Nicolau also. The photos are of an earlier date than the ones I have . They seem 1870s 1880s. Most I have are 1900 to 1910 and taken in Northern California or Flores. I think your best shot is to take the list of death dates to the Oakland Main Library Newspaper room and go through the Oakland Post, Enquirer, and Tribune Microfilms by date to get the Obits. Relatives and places mentioned should further the search. Eric Edgar On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 5:21 PM, John Machado john.e.mach...@gmail.comwrote: Edgar, Yes, John's Tree is mine. After reinstalling my op system and FTM my tree would no longer sync properly so I had to reupload, link and share. *Tree Link*http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/RSVP.aspx?dat=NTE5NDM3NjU7OzAwYjZkMzNhLTAwMDEtMDAwMC0wMDAwLTAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDttYWNoYWRvLmpvaG5AYXR0Lm5ldDsxmac=0V4QP2fyXmnxlZzxQLw5tQ== That should take you to the correct one. I was thinking that one possible explanation of Joseph Nichols showing up in the 1894 Great Registrar is that maybe he died shortly after registering. If the Joseph Nichols in my tree, who died in Sept 1893 (as evidenced by the internment log) it could be possible that the great registrar was produced the previous year and finally printed in 1894? I am confident on the birth location of Mary Agnes Silva based on her death record. Further evidence is based on the bio I attached earlier of her husband William Perry. It states the same information. I have not found any other documentation ie. birth certificates, marriage records or census records for NY. John . -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas
John, I've already checked all the Flores records for the Jose F Nicolau and Maria Isabel Rodrigues marriage. I've also checked New York, Massachucetts and Rhode Island. There are a few Ancestry.com trees with parts of this family. Is the John's tree with them yours? It's not viewable due to technical problems, says the error message. They may have married on another island, like Fayal or Sao Miguel before boarding ship. I've seen that before. The name changes take getting used to. It's a normal thing to have six children of the same parents that have different surnames before 1900, it would be rare for a woman to have a surname. It would be a religious suffix. The ship records from the 1800s show maria de Jesus, de Conceicao. de Acsencion etc. Men often changed surnames once they arrived, to Americanize it, or because there were already ten guys in the neighborhood named Manuel Rodrigues, or Joseph Silva What's very important on birth dates and places is the source. Have you found a New york record from the time of her birth, or is it inferred from the census records? I've seen a number of cases of children shown as born in the US that have a baptism record in the parents hometown. Back then who could check? It got them citizenship. Eric Edgar On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 7:13 PM, John Machado john.e.mach...@gmail.comwrote: Guess who Mary Agnes Silva (daughter of Mary E.Nichols/Silva) married? Guilherme Francisco Pereira aka William F. Perry. So that fits perfectly with a W. Perry being at the same address. I will attach the bio of William Perry. I still have a hard time wrapping my head around all the name changes. Ok so my next step is to find a marriage record of Mary E. Roderick to Joseph Silva. I presume it occured Cedros, Flores. So they would have married. Then came to the USA. Mary possibly pregnant during the voyage gives birth in Buffalo, New York to Mary Agnes Silva in 1868. They move within the year to California, Mary gives birth to Joseph Silva (1869) who eventually renames to Joseph Dyce. I presume Joseph Silva the father either dies or divorces Mary E. Roderick. She at some point marries Joseph Nichols. Joseph Nichols dies 15 Sep 1893. Mary E. Nichols dies 04 Nov 1901. The Daughter: Mary Agnes Silva marries William F. Perry roughly in 1887 California. William F. Perry is from Criacao Velha, Magdalena. His father was originally from Angústias, Faial and grandmother from Lajes, Flores. I will also attach the cemetery plot record which lists everyone together. Thank you again, John -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas
John , The 1903 Oakland City Directory shows Mary E Nichols died 4 Nov 1901. The 1893 shows Joseph F Nichols at 676 27th ave. Also at same address, Jos, and a W. Perry Eric On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:19 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: John, I beleive they are siblings and I am sure that the baptism records are them. The Joseph Nichols on the 1880 census matches the address of 676 27th St with the Joseph Nicolas shown on the Calif Great Register of Voters. This shows he was still alive in 1894, so not George Nichols, and the very important date and place of Naturalization . Since it was San Francisco County Court in 1876, Nov 2nd, the original may be lost in the 1906 earthquake and fire. The obits not found in the Tribune online with Ancestry are often found in the Oakland Post and Enquirer on microfilm at the Oakland Library newspaper and magazine room. Are you near Oakland? There are also many dates of the Tribune found there that aren't online. I have also found the marriage record for Inacio Rodrigues and Amelia Marcos from Massachucetts. The parents listed here match those on the baptism record. Amelia was from Santa Cruz , Flores. Her parents names are listed as Marques, and the grandparents as Margarca. The death records of their children show as Henas ( a americanization of Enos) or Rodrigues and Marks . GASPAR LOUISE IMELDA 1883 09 27 MARKS HENAS FEMALE CA ALAMEDA 1953 02 14 69 1291472 DIAS MARY ISABEL 1870 01 23 MARKS RODGUES FEMALE RE ALAMEDA 1944 08 28 74 364799 HENAS JOSEPH ALOYSIUS 1876 01 27 MARK HENAS MALE CA ALAMEDA 1955 04 20 550227042 79 1527403 If you can scan the photos and post them, I d like to see if they match any of the photos from my great grandfathers collection I have. He was from Cedros also, from the Rodrigues Vieira family and related through his sisters to the Da Silveira. It's a really small town, and he was in Oakland in the 1880s, then back to Mass, and settled back in Oakland about 1900. He worked for the Oakland Wharf at one time. Both Inacio Rodrigues and Joseph Nicolas show up in the city directories working there also. Eric Edgar On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM, John Machado john.e.mach...@gmail.comwrote: All I can say is wow and thank you. I do have two old pictures and on the back are the follwoing words. Picture 1: Jose Nichols and Mary Isabel Rodrigues Pereira Silva Nichols, mother and step father of Mary Agnes Silva Pereira. (my note: Pereira being the surname of Mary Agnes Pereira's husband. Maybe Mary Isabel(Esabel) father was also a Pereira?) Picture 2: Great Grand Mother and Great Grandfather, Pereira / Rodrigues, parents of Mary Esabella Rodrigues Silva Nichols. Aunt Clara is in the middle. I have attached both photo backs. There has to be at least 2 marriages with the words step father being included on the photo 1. I found a George Nichols that matches date of death and age of death in the Alameda County Death ledger. Also, found Mary E. Nichols. Not sure if George is Jose but it is interesting. In regards to the 1880 Census record where Joseph Nichols and Mary E. Nichols is listed next door to a I Roderick, I had to assume they were related. Do you think it is pure coincidence or would you also concluded a relation. I reviewed your research regarding I. Rodrigues/Roderick and it is compelling. I am trying to think of anything else I may have that might help you. All I have left are the death certs for the children Mary Agnes Silva and Joseph Dyce. Both have the mother as Mary Roderick and the father(s) as Joseph Silva and Joseph Dyce respectively. Thanks, John -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas
John, In the Cedros Flores parish records I've seen both a Dias Silveira and da Silveira Dias families. So , it could be the same guy Eric Edgar On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 7:17 PM, John Machado john.e.mach...@gmail.comwrote: I have an old family photo, written on the back is Joe Nichols and Mary Esabel Rodrigues Silva Nichols and step father and mother of Mary Agnes Silva Perry. Perry being her husbands surname. So that tells me at least two husbands. Joseph Silva and Joseph Dyce may be one in the same, however. The I. Roderick that Susan eluded to in the 1880 census I think is a brother to Mary E. Roderick. I don't believe it's shear coicendence but who knows. I did a search of Oakland records before and found an Issac Roderick. Thank you all for helping' -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pereira-Pimentel Family Silveira-Martins Family Ponta Delgada Flores
Maria, What time period are you looking for? I've been researching my families from Ponta Delgada and Cedros, Flores for 20 years and have an extensive database built up from 1680 to 1930. Eric Edgar Flores- Noia, Coelho Rodrigues, Vieira, Dias On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Maria Braga mrsbrag...@gmail.com wrote: does anyone know how I can get copies of birth certificates or information -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching Madruga, Cardoza - Azores
Ginny, Arthur died on 12 Oct 1896 in Gloucester. His birth information with Manuel P. Madruga and Phillipa Perry is consistent with the names of the parents of Willie P , Gertrude, and Manuel . You didn't mention Cecilia. According to the 1910 census Phillipa was the a widowed head of household in 1910. Arthur's record is important because it's the only one that states Pico as the origin. *Willie P. Madruga* *Massachusetts, Births, 1841-1915* *birth 26 Sep 1890 Gloucester, Essex, Massachusetts* *parent Manuel P. Madruga, Phillipe Perry* * * *John Perry Madruga* *Massachusetts, Births, 1841-1915* *birth 06 Dec 1892 Gloucester, Massachusetts, United States* *parent Manuel Perry, Phillippe* * * *Arthur Perry Madruga* *Massachusetts, Births, 1841-1915* *birth 11 Dec 1894 Gloucester, Massachusetts* *parent Manuel P. Madruga, Phillipe Perry* * * *Cecelia Perry Madruga* *Massachusetts, Births, 1841-1915* *birth 12 Jun 1901 Gloucester, Massachusetts* *parent Manuel P. Madruga, Felippa Cardoza* * * *Madruga* *Massachusetts, Births, 1841-1915* *birth 09 Mar 1889 Gloucester, Esssex, Massachusetts* *parent Manuel Madruga, Fellipa Cardoza* * * *Gertrude Perry Madruga* *Massachusetts, Births, 1841-1915* *birth 10 Aug 1896 Gloucester, Essex, Massachusetts* *parent Manuel P. Madruga, Phillipa Perry* * * *Manuel Madruga* *Massachusetts, Births, 1841-1915* *birth 08 Oct 1899 Gloucester, Massachusetts* *parent Manuel P. Madruga, Phillippa P. Perry* name:Arthur Perrytitles terms:event:Deathevent date:12 Oct 1896event place:Gloucester, Massachusettsresidence:Gloucester, Massachusettsstreet address:gender:Maleage:1marital status:occupation:birth date:birthplace:Gloucester, Massachusettsestimated birth year:1895burial date:burial place:Gloucester, Massachusettscemetery:father:Manuelhttps://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NWQZ-XNBfather's titles terms:father's birthplace:Western Islandsmother:Penelope Perryhttps://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NWQZ-XN1mother's titles terms:mother's birthplace:Western Islandsadditional relatives: spouse:volume/page/certificate number:v 463 p 442film number:961518frame number:digital folder number:4225013image number:411 On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:10 PM, riverview riverv...@gis.net wrote: ** Dear Eric, Thanks for taking time to look for their records. They did not have a son Arthur. Manuel and Phillipa had six children, all born in Gloucester. I have corresponded many times in the past with Jeff Madruga in California, Arthur may be one of his family. Thanks again. I will check out the link you sent, just in case.. Ginny (Madruga) Swinson - Original Message - *From:* eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, February 03, 2013 2:21 PM *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching Madruga, Cardoza - Azores Ginny, Here is the birth record for their son, Arthur. Iy shows Manuel birthplace as Pico. From my family research in Pico, I know that Pereira Madruga is seen often in the Lajes das Pico Concelho, Cardoso is also concentraed in that area. Since you have a birthdate, you should take look throug the parish records at the NNEPS site for the area. http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias.html Eric Edgar On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Ginny Swinson riverv...@gis.net wrote: I have been following your group for several months and am amazed at how so many of you have been able to locate where you ancestors came from. I have been researching intermittently for 50 years and have had little success. My great-grandparents, *Manuel Perry Madruga* (b. about February 15, 1852, Azores) married *Phillipa Perry Cardoza*, (b. about August 25, 1865, Azores) in St Ann's church, Gloucester, MA, April 18, 1883. They had six children: Mary, March 9, 1889; Willie P.,September 26, 1890; John Perry (my ggrandfather) December 6, 1892; Gertrude, August 10, 1896; Manuel Perry, October 8, 1899. All were born in Gloucester. I have been unable to get baptismal records because the church says that their records are with the Boston Archdiocese. I spent eight hours at their archives and there are no records there. They arrived before Ellis Island. I can find no naturalization papers for them in Gloucester. All birth and death records indicate only Azores. I am getting old and would like to visit the village where they came from and to finally connect with my Portugese heritage. My grandfather died in the 1918 epidemic and so any connection to the past wast lost. PLEASE - anyone - *HELP*. I need advice and direction. Virginia (Ginny) Madruga Swinson -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching Madruga, Cardoza - Azores
Pam, Not her. The Neps site shows she died at 11 years old Filipa ? Nascido(a) a 16 de Dezembro de 1861 - Lajes do Pico Falecido(a) a 22 de Julho de 1873 - Lajes do Pico Com a idade de 11 anos Pais José Cardoso +1896 Teresa Jesus 1826-1887 Eric Edgar On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote: Here is a Felipa in 1862 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1860-1867/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1860-1867_item1/P63.html On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think if that baptism is correct, since she would of been 52 when she had Manuel in 1899 On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.comwrote: oops you did give children sorry about that On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.comwrote: I think if you give us their children it might be more helpful. On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.comwrote: According to the 1900 census if this is the right person Felipa would have been been born abt 1847. Below is a baptism in Picos http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1845-1860/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1845-1860_item1/P10.html On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:21 AM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.comwrote: Ginny, Here is the birth record for their son, Arthur. Iy shows Manuel birthplace as Pico. From my family research in Pico, I know that Pereira Madruga is seen often in the Lajes das Pico Concelho, Cardoso is also concentraed in that area. Since you have a birthdate, you should take look throug the parish records at the NNEPS site for the area. http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias.html Eric Edgar On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Ginny Swinson riverv...@gis.netwrote: I have been following your group for several months and am amazed at how so many of you have been able to locate where you ancestors came from. I have been researching intermittently for 50 years and have had little success. My great-grandparents, *Manuel Perry Madruga* (b. about February 15, 1852, Azores) married *Phillipa Perry Cardoza*, (b. about August 25, 1865, Azores) in St Ann's church, Gloucester, MA, April 18, 1883. They had six children: Mary, March 9, 1889; Willie P.,September 26, 1890; John Perry (my ggrandfather) December 6, 1892; Gertrude, August 10, 1896; Manuel Perry, October 8, 1899. All were born in Gloucester. I have been unable to get baptismal records because the church says that their records are with the Boston Archdiocese. I spent eight hours at their archives and there are no records there. They arrived before Ellis Island. I can find no naturalization papers for them in Gloucester. All birth and death records indicate only Azores. I am getting old and would like to visit the village where they came from and to finally connect with my Portugese heritage. My grandfather died in the 1918 epidemic and so any connection to the past wast lost. PLEASE - anyone - *HELP*. I need advice and direction. Virginia (Ginny) Madruga Swinson -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join
