Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Eric, most of the Church records (Catholic) of Mexico are on
FamilySearch.org. If you know the village and state you can find them. They
are pretty easily read as they follow the same format as the Portuguese
Church records!! Just need the Spanish Genealogical Word List which can be
downloaded from FamilySearch.org!!


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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Eric Souza 
wrote:

> Fingers crossed! You guys are great - thank you. I'm excited that I'll get
> to spend some time dedicated to learning more about all of this in Salt
> Lake City.
>
> On a separate note, my wife is from Mexico - I've been able to find some
> records through the churches and death records from hospitals, but do you
> know anything about if/how Mexican records are kept in Salt Lake City as
> well? Obviously I'm going for the Portuguese seminars and to learn from you
> guys, but it would be great to dig into that a little as well.
>
>
> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 5:49:58 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>>
>> Wow, this is great, Eric.  At least that side of the family is listed so
>> Alexander may be in the same council. I will check out the film on Tuesday.
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Eric Souza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> AWESOME! I love this, thank you so much! Now that I have been pointed in
>>> the right direction, I can dig into this ... thank you again!
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Cheri Mello]

Eric S,

I think Mexico's records are the same - use the Catholic Church records.
Eric Edgar, on this list, researches Mexico too, I think. They will follow
pretty much the same format - just in Spanish.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Eric Souza]

Fingers crossed! You guys are great - thank you. I'm excited that I'll get 
to spend some time dedicated to learning more about all of this in Salt 
Lake City.

On a separate note, my wife is from Mexico - I've been able to find some 
records through the churches and death records from hospitals, but do you 
know anything about if/how Mexican records are kept in Salt Lake City as 
well? Obviously I'm going for the Portuguese seminars and to learn from you 
guys, but it would be great to dig into that a little as well.


On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 5:49:58 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Wow, this is great, Eric.  At least that side of the family is listed so 
> Alexander may be in the same council. I will check out the film on Tuesday. 
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Eric Souza  > wrote:
>
>> AWESOME! I love this, thank you so much! Now that I have been pointed in 
>> the right direction, I can dig into this ... thank you again!
>>
>>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Wow, this is great, Eric.  At least that side of the family is listed so
Alexander may be in the same council. I will check out the film on Tuesday.

Rosemarie
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On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Eric Souza 
wrote:

> AWESOME! I love this, thank you so much! Now that I have been pointed in
> the right direction, I can dig into this ... thank you again!
>
> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 4:47:22 PM UTC-7, Susan Vargas Murphy wrote:
>>
>> Eric….I copied some of the UPEC records and happen to have Sausalito on
>> my computer. I am leaving on a trip and really did not have time to do a
>> through search, but I did look through all of the membership pages
>> quickly..I have 43 images, with the members name on one side and the
>> beneficiary on the next page.  I did find your great-great grandfather?
>> Jose Caetano Mancebo, member #16 on October 16, 1893, age 37 and his
>> beneficiary on the next page is his wife, Merciana M. He is from Sao Jorge….
>> doesn’t help you much but will add to your collection of evidence….You
>> should get this film and look at your leisure as you may see more
>> connections.  I also saw one of their children, Joseph Mancebo, age 23 in
>> 1909,….mother is Merciana listed as “mai”
>> Sorry I don’t have time to do any more…will attach here
>> Susan Vargas Murphy
>>
>> On Jun 12, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Eric Souza  wrote:
>>
>> No, I believe these are different Alexanders ... I'm guessing this is my
>> Alex's godfather, Alexander S Borba, living in the East Bay ... I actually
>> requested and received their marriage certificate - will look for that and
>> will scan it to review again.
>>
>> Interestingly enough, also, there was an Edward Souza born to a Mary
>> Souza (formerly Rose) in Alameda on 16 Oct 1908, one year before my
>> grandfather's birth. My grandfather's social security info shows his birth
>> as 21 Oct 1909 ... so maybe Godfather has an Edward Souza, and a year
>> later, godson has an Edward Souza? Something odd there, but that's my
>> assumption ...
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 3:48:53 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Was Alex married before?
>>> Alexander S. Borba married Mary Rose on May 23, 1903, Book 30, page 266,
>>> Alameda Co.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
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>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Eric Souza]

AWESOME! I love this, thank you so much! Now that I have been pointed in 
the right direction, I can dig into this ... thank you again!

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 4:47:22 PM UTC-7, Susan Vargas Murphy wrote:
>
> Eric….I copied some of the UPEC records and happen to have Sausalito on my 
> computer. I am leaving on a trip and really did not have time to do a 
> through search, but I did look through all of the membership pages 
> quickly..I have 43 images, with the members name on one side and the 
> beneficiary on the next page.  I did find your great-great grandfather? 
> Jose Caetano Mancebo, member #16 on October 16, 1893, age 37 and his 
> beneficiary on the next page is his wife, Merciana M. He is from Sao Jorge….
> doesn’t help you much but will add to your collection of evidence….You 
> should get this film and look at your leisure as you may see more 
> connections.  I also saw one of their children, Joseph Mancebo, age 23 in 
> 1909,….mother is Merciana listed as “mai”
> Sorry I don’t have time to do any more…will attach here
> Susan Vargas Murphy
>
> On Jun 12, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Eric Souza  > wrote:
>
> No, I believe these are different Alexanders ... I'm guessing this is my 
> Alex's godfather, Alexander S Borba, living in the East Bay ... I actually 
> requested and received their marriage certificate - will look for that and 
> will scan it to review again.
>
> Interestingly enough, also, there was an Edward Souza born to a Mary Souza 
> (formerly Rose) in Alameda on 16 Oct 1908, one year before my grandfather's 
> birth. My grandfather's social security info shows his birth as 21 Oct 1909 
> ... so maybe Godfather has an Edward Souza, and a year later, godson has an 
> Edward Souza? Something odd there, but that's my assumption ...
>
>
> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 3:48:53 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Was Alex married before?
>> Alexander S. Borba married Mary Rose on May 23, 1903, Book 30, page 266, 
>> Alameda Co.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Looking forward to seeing you, Marilyn,if you are in town!


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On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
wrote:

> Rosemarie
>
> I am hoping to make it to the conference. Plans are up in the air at the
> moment. If I am in town I will be there
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> Marilyn, this sounds like they could all be relatives of Eric's.
>> Hopefully he may be able to connect with them if he doesn't know them. The
>> immigration info is there to check too.
>> Are we going to see you sometime the week we are in SLC??
>> Hope to see you!
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I did a little looking around and found this post. It does not give much
>>> information, but it looks like it could be from someone related to you.
>>> Also the second one has arrival information. Notice that both of these
>>> posts are old, but worth a try.  This is the link where these were located:
>>> http://www.dholmes.com/master-list/azores/sjorge.html
>>>
>>> *Carrie Souza*, 163 Clark Street, San >Rafael, Ca. 94901, USA
>>> Email: magic...@pacbell.net 
>>> Date submitted: before 1998
>>> Village: Unknown
>>> Surnames: Souza, Mancebo, De Souza, Caetano (Quietano), Maciel.
>>> Comments: I am trying to learn about my relatives form the Azores. My
>>> grandfather was Edward Alexander Souza, born 10/21/09 died, 8/21/94 in
>>> Sausalito, Ca. Great grandmother was Mary Catan Mancebo born 02/18/1888
>>> died 11/22/20 in Sausalito. Mary Catan Mancebo's mother was Mercianna
>>> Emilia Maciel, born in 1861 in the Azores. On 01/07/1886, Maricianna
>>> married José Quientano Mancebo, born in 1885 in the Azores. Jose mother was
>>> Barbara Emilia Quietano and his father was Antonio Quietano. Marcianna's
>>> mother was Maria Santo Maciel and her father was João José Maciel. Great
>>> grandfather was Alexander De Souza, born in 1883 in São Jorge and died
>>> 03/13/15. All I know of Alexander's father was that he was born in São
>>> Jorge and died in Portugal.
>>>
>>> There was a second post:
>>>
>>> *Robert Souza*, 129 Round Court, Petaluma, CA 94952
>>> Email: souzah...@att.net  or  souza...@mac.com
>>> Date submitted: 19 Aug 2010
>>> Location: Sao Jorge (village unknown)
>>> Surname: Souza
>>> Comments: My husband, Robert Souza and I are going to the Azores in two
>>> weeks.  He would like to locate any relatives from his grandfather's side.
>>> His grandfather’s name was *Alexander Souza *and came through Ellis
>>> Island in 1896.  Ellis Island had him listed as Alexander De Souza. We
>>> believe he was born around 1880.  Everything states that he came from *Sao
>>> Jorge, Portugal *but doesn't tell us anything else.  We know of no
>>> other relatives of his that emigrated.  If we had a birth village we could
>>> locate records and perhaps relatives.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Eric, the  UPEC is/was a Fraternal Organization that sold insurance
 policies to Portuguese and also other immigrants (Italian, German, Swiss
 etc.) The nice thing about finding your people is that often there are
 other relatives in the same Councelho/Coucil. You also may find parent
 names of an immigrant that is still in the 'old country' because they were
 listed as the beneficiaries of the life insurance policy. Then, when your
 single immigrant got married the parent name was crossed out the the wife
 was listed. It also is a place to verify your island of birth and if you
 are lucky, the village!


 Rosemarie
 rcap...@gmail.com
 Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
 Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

 On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Eric Souza <
 ericcharles.so...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, everything between his birth and marriage at this point is
> conjecture ... I would love to know when he came to the US, and what 
> family
> he ended up with in the Bay Area ...
>
> I'm sorry for the ignorant question, but I'm still learning - what are
> UPEC records?
>
> Thank you!!
>
> - Eric
>
>
> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 11:18:04 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>>
>> Eric, what exactly are you trying to find? Your grandfather's place
>> between his landing in the US and his marriage?? I don't think that you 
>> are
>> going to find out how he ended up in Saucelito unless he had family he 
>> was
>> coming to live with?? We sometimes find all of the docs we can and 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Marilyn Thompson]

Rosemarie

I am hoping to make it to the conference. Plans are up in the air at the
moment. If I am in town I will be there


On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Marilyn, this sounds like they could all be relatives of Eric's. Hopefully
> he may be able to connect with them if he doesn't know them. The
> immigration info is there to check too.
> Are we going to see you sometime the week we are in SLC??
> Hope to see you!
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>> I did a little looking around and found this post. It does not give much
>> information, but it looks like it could be from someone related to you.
>> Also the second one has arrival information. Notice that both of these
>> posts are old, but worth a try.  This is the link where these were located:
>> http://www.dholmes.com/master-list/azores/sjorge.html
>>
>> *Carrie Souza*, 163 Clark Street, San >Rafael, Ca. 94901, USA
>> Email: magic...@pacbell.net 
>> Date submitted: before 1998
>> Village: Unknown
>> Surnames: Souza, Mancebo, De Souza, Caetano (Quietano), Maciel.
>> Comments: I am trying to learn about my relatives form the Azores. My
>> grandfather was Edward Alexander Souza, born 10/21/09 died, 8/21/94 in
>> Sausalito, Ca. Great grandmother was Mary Catan Mancebo born 02/18/1888
>> died 11/22/20 in Sausalito. Mary Catan Mancebo's mother was Mercianna
>> Emilia Maciel, born in 1861 in the Azores. On 01/07/1886, Maricianna
>> married José Quientano Mancebo, born in 1885 in the Azores. Jose mother was
>> Barbara Emilia Quietano and his father was Antonio Quietano. Marcianna's
>> mother was Maria Santo Maciel and her father was João José Maciel. Great
>> grandfather was Alexander De Souza, born in 1883 in São Jorge and died
>> 03/13/15. All I know of Alexander's father was that he was born in São
>> Jorge and died in Portugal.
>>
>> There was a second post:
>>
>> *Robert Souza*, 129 Round Court, Petaluma, CA 94952
>> Email: souzah...@att.net  or  souza...@mac.com
>> Date submitted: 19 Aug 2010
>> Location: Sao Jorge (village unknown)
>> Surname: Souza
>> Comments: My husband, Robert Souza and I are going to the Azores in two
>> weeks.  He would like to locate any relatives from his grandfather's side.
>> His grandfather’s name was *Alexander Souza *and came through Ellis
>> Island in 1896.  Ellis Island had him listed as Alexander De Souza. We
>> believe he was born around 1880.  Everything states that he came from *Sao
>> Jorge, Portugal *but doesn't tell us anything else.  We know of no other
>> relatives of his that emigrated.  If we had a birth village we could locate
>> records and perhaps relatives.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Eric, the  UPEC is/was a Fraternal Organization that sold insurance
>>> policies to Portuguese and also other immigrants (Italian, German, Swiss
>>> etc.) The nice thing about finding your people is that often there are
>>> other relatives in the same Councelho/Coucil. You also may find parent
>>> names of an immigrant that is still in the 'old country' because they were
>>> listed as the beneficiaries of the life insurance policy. Then, when your
>>> single immigrant got married the parent name was crossed out the the wife
>>> was listed. It also is a place to verify your island of birth and if you
>>> are lucky, the village!
>>>
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Eric Souza <
>>> ericcharles.so...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Well, everything between his birth and marriage at this point is
 conjecture ... I would love to know when he came to the US, and what family
 he ended up with in the Bay Area ...

 I'm sorry for the ignorant question, but I'm still learning - what are
 UPEC records?

 Thank you!!

 - Eric


 On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 11:18:04 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Eric, what exactly are you trying to find? Your grandfather's place
> between his landing in the US and his marriage?? I don't think that you 
> are
> going to find out how he ended up in Saucelito unless he had family he was
> coming to live with?? We sometimes find all of the docs we can and still
> never know the reasoning behind a move to a certain place. Usually it's
> because they had other Portuguese from their village or family in that
> place. I see that you haven't looked at the UPEC records for that area. I
> will look at the film on Tues when I go to work at the Family History Cntr
> here and see what I can find for you.
>
>
> Rosemarie
> 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Eric Souza]

I hadn't tried that! Thanks for the suggestion.

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 3:50:20 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Eric, you might try Eddie Souza because that's what my uncle is listed as 
> on his birth cert. 
>
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Eric Souza]

No, I believe these are different Alexanders ... I'm guessing this is my 
Alex's godfather, Alexander S Borba, living in the East Bay ... I actually 
requested and received their marriage certificate - will look for that and 
will scan it to review again.

Interestingly enough, also, there was an Edward Souza born to a Mary Souza 
(formerly Rose) in Alameda on 16 Oct 1908, one year before my grandfather's 
birth. My grandfather's social security info shows his birth as 21 Oct 1909 
... so maybe Godfather has an Edward Souza, and a year later, godson has an 
Edward Souza? Something odd there, but that's my assumption ...


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>
> Was Alex married before?
> Alexander S. Borba married Mary Rose on May 23, 1903, Book 30, page 266, 
> Alameda Co.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Cheri Mello]

Was Alex married before?
Alexander S. Borba married Mary Rose on May 23, 1903, Book 30, page 266,
Alameda Co.

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Eric Souza]

Very good point. I do have my grandfather's social, so that's a good hint 
... I'll look into how to get that. At least, it might let me know his 
county of birth, so I wouldn't have to pay for another record and get a No 
File Found reply. Could have been born in Alameda for that matter, as the 
other Alexander S Borba was in Oakland. And I'll check the Marin Genealogy 
Society as well. Or, I could see if maybe a small donation could help 
encourage the church to open their books.

It's been a lot of fun, digging into the research - I really appreciate 
your suggestions and help! 


On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 3:35:36 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> You're not going to like this.
>
> CA did not start recording births until 1905. They were not required until 
> 1949!!! If he received Social Security though, he may have filed a Delayed 
> Certificate of Birth.
>
> I checked for a Random Act of Genealogical Kindness, but see none who do 
> church records. You may want to contact the Marin County Genealogy Society 
> and see if anyone there will do church records: 
> http://www.maringensoc.org/Research.
>
> My immigrants came in 1901 & 1903. They were missed on the 1910 and the 
> 1920 censuses. They were out working when the census taker came by (well, 
> the 1910, they may have been moving to CA). 
>
> You should check the Passaportes out of the Azores too (once you narrow 
> down the immigration date). You don't know if that illegal immigration 
> story is true or not.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Eric, you might try Eddie Souza because that's what my uncle is listed as
on his birth cert.


Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Eric Souza 
wrote:

> Hi all! Thanks so much! Yes, Carrie is my sister and Bob is my father, but
> this family history was always a mystery until recently ... the 1896 Ellis
> Island information mentioned above is something that I haven't seen, though
> it's someplace to look, definitely!
>
> Thank you for sharing the UPEC information - there is so much that I don't
> know!!
>
> Alex was in Sausalito in 1910 - they had my grandfather in 1909. I
> submitted a request for my grandfather, Edward's birth record from Marin
> County, and received a "File Not Found" response. I will try San Francisco,
> because I would really like to have that ...
>
> The church where he was baptized, Star of the Sea Church in Sausalito,
> told me to go in person and I can look at the books, but they don't have
> the resources to look up genealogy requests. :-/
>
> Can't wait to meet all of you in SLC - I bought my plane ticket and have
> my room reserved! Sending the check for the registration on Monday.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> - Eric
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 2:54:33 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>>
>> Marilyn, this sounds like they could all be relatives of Eric's.
>> Hopefully he may be able to connect with them if he doesn't know them. The
>> immigration info is there to check too.
>> Are we going to see you sometime the week we are in SLC??
>> Hope to see you!
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I did a little looking around and found this post. It does not give much
>>> information, but it looks like it could be from someone related to you.
>>> Also the second one has arrival information. Notice that both of these
>>> posts are old, but worth a try.  This is the link where these were located:
>>> http://www.dholmes.com/master-list/azores/sjorge.html
>>>
>>> *Carrie Souza*, 163 Clark Street, San >Rafael, Ca. 94901, USA
>>> Email: magi...@pacbell.net
>>> Date submitted: before 1998
>>> Village: Unknown
>>> Surnames: Souza, Mancebo, De Souza, Caetano (Quietano), Maciel.
>>> Comments: I am trying to learn about my relatives form the Azores. My
>>> grandfather was Edward Alexander Souza, born 10/21/09 died, 8/21/94 in
>>> Sausalito, Ca. Great grandmother was Mary Catan Mancebo born 02/18/1888
>>> died 11/22/20 in Sausalito. Mary Catan Mancebo's mother was Mercianna
>>> Emilia Maciel, born in 1861 in the Azores. On 01/07/1886, Maricianna
>>> married José Quientano Mancebo, born in 1885 in the Azores. Jose mother was
>>> Barbara Emilia Quietano and his father was Antonio Quietano. Marcianna's
>>> mother was Maria Santo Maciel and her father was João José Maciel. Great
>>> grandfather was Alexander De Souza, born in 1883 in São Jorge and died
>>> 03/13/15. All I know of Alexander's father was that he was born in São
>>> Jorge and died in Portugal.
>>>
>>> There was a second post:
>>>
>>> *Robert Souza*, 129 Round Court, Petaluma, CA 94952
>>> Email: souz...@att.net  or  souz...@mac.com
>>> Date submitted: 19 Aug 2010
>>> Location: Sao Jorge (village unknown)
>>> Surname: Souza
>>> Comments: My husband, Robert Souza and I are going to the Azores in two
>>> weeks.  He would like to locate any relatives from his grandfather's side.
>>> His grandfather’s name was *Alexander Souza *and came through Ellis
>>> Island in 1896.  Ellis Island had him listed as Alexander De Souza. We
>>> believe he was born around 1880.  Everything states that he came from *Sao
>>> Jorge, Portugal *but doesn't tell us anything else.  We know of no
>>> other relatives of his that emigrated.  If we had a birth village we could
>>> locate records and perhaps relatives.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Eric, the  UPEC is/was a Fraternal Organization that sold insurance
 policies to Portuguese and also other immigrants (Italian, German, Swiss
 etc.) The nice thing about finding your people is that often there are
 other relatives in the same Councelho/Coucil. You also may find parent
 names of an immigrant that is still in the 'old country' because they were
 listed as the beneficiaries of the life insurance policy. Then, when your
 single immigrant got married the parent name was crossed out the the wife
 was listed. It also is a place to verify your island of birth and if you
 are lucky, the village!


 Rosemarie
 rcap...@gmail.com
 Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
 Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Cheri Mello]

You're not going to like this.

CA did not start recording births until 1905. They were not required until
1949!!! If he received Social Security though, he may have filed a Delayed
Certificate of Birth.

I checked for a Random Act of Genealogical Kindness, but see none who do
church records. You may want to contact the Marin County Genealogy Society
and see if anyone there will do church records:
http://www.maringensoc.org/Research.

My immigrants came in 1901 & 1903. They were missed on the 1910 and the
1920 censuses. They were out working when the census taker came by (well,
the 1910, they may have been moving to CA).

You should check the Passaportes out of the Azores too (once you narrow
down the immigration date). You don't know if that illegal immigration
story is true or not.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Eric Souza]

Another item to note - Alexander had married Mary Catan Mancebo in 
Sausalito, and on the 1910 census, I don't see Alex and Mary ... the rest 
of the Mancebo family is there, as well as some Souza and Borba families, 
but I can't find them in 1910! Wondering if he didn't want to be counted, 
if he was there illegally ...


On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 3:16:59 PM UTC-7, Eric Souza wrote:
>
> Hi all! Thanks so much! Yes, Carrie is my sister and Bob is my father, but 
> this family history was always a mystery until recently ... the 1896 Ellis 
> Island information mentioned above is something that I haven't seen, though 
> it's someplace to look, definitely!
>
> Thank you for sharing the UPEC information - there is so much that I don't 
> know!! 
>
> Alex was in Sausalito in 1910 - they had my grandfather in 1909. I 
> submitted a request for my grandfather, Edward's birth record from Marin 
> County, and received a "File Not Found" response. I will try San Francisco, 
> because I would really like to have that ... 
>
> The church where he was baptized, Star of the Sea Church in Sausalito, 
> told me to go in person and I can look at the books, but they don't have 
> the resources to look up genealogy requests. :-/
>
> Can't wait to meet all of you in SLC - I bought my plane ticket and have 
> my room reserved! Sending the check for the registration on Monday.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> - Eric
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 2:54:33 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>>
>> Marilyn, this sounds like they could all be relatives of Eric's. 
>> Hopefully he may be able to connect with them if he doesn't know them. The 
>> immigration info is there to check too. 
>> Are we going to see you sometime the week we are in SLC?? 
>> Hope to see you! 
>>
>> Rosemarie 
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Marilyn Thompson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I did a little looking around and found this post. It does not give much 
>>> information, but it looks like it could be from someone related to you. 
>>> Also the second one has arrival information. Notice that both of these 
>>> posts are old, but worth a try.  This is the link where these were located: 
>>> http://www.dholmes.com/master-list/azores/sjorge.html
>>>
>>> *Carrie Souza*, 163 Clark Street, San >Rafael, Ca. 94901, USA
>>> Email: magi...@pacbell.net
>>> Date submitted: before 1998
>>> Village: Unknown 
>>> Surnames: Souza, Mancebo, De Souza, Caetano (Quietano), Maciel.
>>> Comments: I am trying to learn about my relatives form the Azores. My 
>>> grandfather was Edward Alexander Souza, born 10/21/09 died, 8/21/94 in 
>>> Sausalito, Ca. Great grandmother was Mary Catan Mancebo born 02/18/1888 
>>> died 11/22/20 in Sausalito. Mary Catan Mancebo's mother was Mercianna 
>>> Emilia Maciel, born in 1861 in the Azores. On 01/07/1886, Maricianna 
>>> married José Quientano Mancebo, born in 1885 in the Azores. Jose mother was 
>>> Barbara Emilia Quietano and his father was Antonio Quietano. Marcianna's 
>>> mother was Maria Santo Maciel and her father was João José Maciel. Great 
>>> grandfather was Alexander De Souza, born in 1883 in São Jorge and died 
>>> 03/13/15. All I know of Alexander's father was that he was born in São 
>>> Jorge and died in Portugal.
>>>
>>> There was a second post:
>>>
>>> *Robert Souza*, 129 Round Court, Petaluma, CA 94952
>>> Email: souz...@att.net  or  souz...@mac.com
>>> Date submitted: 19 Aug 2010
>>> Location: Sao Jorge (village unknown)
>>> Surname: Souza
>>> Comments: My husband, Robert Souza and I are going to the Azores in two 
>>> weeks.  He would like to locate any relatives from his grandfather's side.  
>>> His grandfather’s name was *Alexander Souza *and came through Ellis 
>>> Island in 1896.  Ellis Island had him listed as Alexander De Souza. We 
>>> believe he was born around 1880.  Everything states that he came from *Sao 
>>> Jorge, Portugal *but doesn't tell us anything else.  We know of no 
>>> other relatives of his that emigrated.  If we had a birth village we could 
>>> locate records and perhaps relatives.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Eric, the  UPEC is/was a Fraternal Organization that sold insurance 
 policies to Portuguese and also other immigrants (Italian, German, Swiss 
 etc.) The nice thing about finding your people is that often there are 
 other relatives in the same Councelho/Coucil. You also may find parent 
 names of an immigrant that is still in the 'old country' because they were 
 listed as the beneficiaries of the life insurance policy. Then, when your 
 single immigrant got married the parent name was crossed out the the wife 
 was listed. It also is a place to verify your island of birth and if you 
 are lucky, the village! 


 Rosemarie 
 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Marilyn, this sounds like they could all be relatives of Eric's. Hopefully
he may be able to connect with them if he doesn't know them. The
immigration info is there to check too.
Are we going to see you sometime the week we are in SLC??
Hope to see you!

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
wrote:

> I did a little looking around and found this post. It does not give much
> information, but it looks like it could be from someone related to you.
> Also the second one has arrival information. Notice that both of these
> posts are old, but worth a try.  This is the link where these were located:
> http://www.dholmes.com/master-list/azores/sjorge.html
>
> *Carrie Souza*, 163 Clark Street, San >Rafael, Ca. 94901, USA
> Email: magic...@pacbell.net 
> Date submitted: before 1998
> Village: Unknown
> Surnames: Souza, Mancebo, De Souza, Caetano (Quietano), Maciel.
> Comments: I am trying to learn about my relatives form the Azores. My
> grandfather was Edward Alexander Souza, born 10/21/09 died, 8/21/94 in
> Sausalito, Ca. Great grandmother was Mary Catan Mancebo born 02/18/1888
> died 11/22/20 in Sausalito. Mary Catan Mancebo's mother was Mercianna
> Emilia Maciel, born in 1861 in the Azores. On 01/07/1886, Maricianna
> married José Quientano Mancebo, born in 1885 in the Azores. Jose mother was
> Barbara Emilia Quietano and his father was Antonio Quietano. Marcianna's
> mother was Maria Santo Maciel and her father was João José Maciel. Great
> grandfather was Alexander De Souza, born in 1883 in São Jorge and died
> 03/13/15. All I know of Alexander's father was that he was born in São
> Jorge and died in Portugal.
>
> There was a second post:
>
> *Robert Souza*, 129 Round Court, Petaluma, CA 94952
> Email: souzah...@att.net  or  souza...@mac.com
> Date submitted: 19 Aug 2010
> Location: Sao Jorge (village unknown)
> Surname: Souza
> Comments: My husband, Robert Souza and I are going to the Azores in two
> weeks.  He would like to locate any relatives from his grandfather's side.
> His grandfather’s name was *Alexander Souza *and came through Ellis
> Island in 1896.  Ellis Island had him listed as Alexander De Souza. We
> believe he was born around 1880.  Everything states that he came from *Sao
> Jorge, Portugal *but doesn't tell us anything else.  We know of no other
> relatives of his that emigrated.  If we had a birth village we could locate
> records and perhaps relatives.
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> Eric, the  UPEC is/was a Fraternal Organization that sold insurance
>> policies to Portuguese and also other immigrants (Italian, German, Swiss
>> etc.) The nice thing about finding your people is that often there are
>> other relatives in the same Councelho/Coucil. You also may find parent
>> names of an immigrant that is still in the 'old country' because they were
>> listed as the beneficiaries of the life insurance policy. Then, when your
>> single immigrant got married the parent name was crossed out the the wife
>> was listed. It also is a place to verify your island of birth and if you
>> are lucky, the village!
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Eric Souza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Well, everything between his birth and marriage at this point is
>>> conjecture ... I would love to know when he came to the US, and what family
>>> he ended up with in the Bay Area ...
>>>
>>> I'm sorry for the ignorant question, but I'm still learning - what are
>>> UPEC records?
>>>
>>> Thank you!!
>>>
>>> - Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 11:18:04 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:

 Eric, what exactly are you trying to find? Your grandfather's place
 between his landing in the US and his marriage?? I don't think that you are
 going to find out how he ended up in Saucelito unless he had family he was
 coming to live with?? We sometimes find all of the docs we can and still
 never know the reasoning behind a move to a certain place. Usually it's
 because they had other Portuguese from their village or family in that
 place. I see that you haven't looked at the UPEC records for that area. I
 will look at the film on Tues when I go to work at the Family History Cntr
 here and see what I can find for you.


 Rosemarie
 rcap...@gmail.com
 Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
 Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

 On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Eric Souza 
 wrote:

> Dear Conterrâneos,
>
> I’ve been researching my Souza family heritage (Souza, Borba 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Cheri Mello]

Looks like he bought the property mentioned in the probate on 15 April
1911. Son Edward was born in 1910. In Marin? What does Edward's birth say
(if it exists)? What does his baptism record say?

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Marilyn Thompson 
wrote:

> I did a little looking around and found this post. It does not give much
> information, but it looks like it could be from someone related to you.
> Also the second one has arrival information. Notice that both of these
> posts are old, but worth a try.  This is the link where these were located:
> http://www.dholmes.com/master-list/azores/sjorge.html
>
> *Carrie Souza*, 163 Clark Street, San >Rafael, Ca. 94901, USA
> Email: magic...@pacbell.net 
> Date submitted: before 1998
> Village: Unknown
> Surnames: Souza, Mancebo, De Souza, Caetano (Quietano), Maciel.
> Comments: I am trying to learn about my relatives form the Azores. My
> grandfather was Edward Alexander Souza, born 10/21/09 died, 8/21/94 in
> Sausalito, Ca. Great grandmother was Mary Catan Mancebo born 02/18/1888
> died 11/22/20 in Sausalito. Mary Catan Mancebo's mother was Mercianna
> Emilia Maciel, born in 1861 in the Azores. On 01/07/1886, Maricianna
> married José Quientano Mancebo, born in 1885 in the Azores. Jose mother was
> Barbara Emilia Quietano and his father was Antonio Quietano. Marcianna's
> mother was Maria Santo Maciel and her father was João José Maciel. Great
> grandfather was Alexander De Souza, born in 1883 in São Jorge and died
> 03/13/15. All I know of Alexander's father was that he was born in São
> Jorge and died in Portugal.
>
> There was a second post:
>
> *Robert Souza*, 129 Round Court, Petaluma, CA 94952
> Email: souzah...@att.net  or  souza...@mac.com
> Date submitted: 19 Aug 2010
> Location: Sao Jorge (village unknown)
> Surname: Souza
> Comments: My husband, Robert Souza and I are going to the Azores in two
> weeks.  He would like to locate any relatives from his grandfather's side.
> His grandfather’s name was *Alexander Souza *and came through Ellis
> Island in 1896.  Ellis Island had him listed as Alexander De Souza. We
> believe he was born around 1880.  Everything states that he came from *Sao
> Jorge, Portugal *but doesn't tell us anything else.  We know of no other
> relatives of his that emigrated.  If we had a birth village we could locate
> records and perhaps relatives.
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> Eric, the  UPEC is/was a Fraternal Organization that sold insurance
>> policies to Portuguese and also other immigrants (Italian, German, Swiss
>> etc.) The nice thing about finding your people is that often there are
>> other relatives in the same Councelho/Coucil. You also may find parent
>> names of an immigrant that is still in the 'old country' because they were
>> listed as the beneficiaries of the life insurance policy. Then, when your
>> single immigrant got married the parent name was crossed out the the wife
>> was listed. It also is a place to verify your island of birth and if you
>> are lucky, the village!
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Eric Souza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Well, everything between his birth and marriage at this point is
>>> conjecture ... I would love to know when he came to the US, and what family
>>> he ended up with in the Bay Area ...
>>>
>>> I'm sorry for the ignorant question, but I'm still learning - what are
>>> UPEC records?
>>>
>>> Thank you!!
>>>
>>> - Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 11:18:04 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:

 Eric, what exactly are you trying to find? Your grandfather's place
 between his landing in the US and his marriage?? I don't think that you are
 going to find out how he ended up in Saucelito unless he had family he was
 coming to live with?? We sometimes find all of the docs we can and still
 never know the reasoning behind a move to a certain place. Usually it's
 because they had other Portuguese from their village or family in that
 place. I see that you haven't looked at the UPEC records for that area. I
 will look at the film on Tues when I go to work at the Family History Cntr
 here and see what I can find for you.


 Rosemarie
 rcap...@gmail.com
 Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
 Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

 On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Eric Souza 
 wrote:

> Dear Conterrâneos,
>
> I’ve been researching my Souza family heritage (Souza, Borba and Cunha
> descendants from São Jorge) and specifically how my 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Marilyn Thompson]

I did a little looking around and found this post. It does not give much
information, but it looks like it could be from someone related to you.
Also the second one has arrival information. Notice that both of these
posts are old, but worth a try.  This is the link where these were located:
http://www.dholmes.com/master-list/azores/sjorge.html

*Carrie Souza*, 163 Clark Street, San >Rafael, Ca. 94901, USA
Email: magic...@pacbell.net 
Date submitted: before 1998
Village: Unknown
Surnames: Souza, Mancebo, De Souza, Caetano (Quietano), Maciel.
Comments: I am trying to learn about my relatives form the Azores. My
grandfather was Edward Alexander Souza, born 10/21/09 died, 8/21/94 in
Sausalito, Ca. Great grandmother was Mary Catan Mancebo born 02/18/1888
died 11/22/20 in Sausalito. Mary Catan Mancebo's mother was Mercianna
Emilia Maciel, born in 1861 in the Azores. On 01/07/1886, Maricianna
married José Quientano Mancebo, born in 1885 in the Azores. Jose mother was
Barbara Emilia Quietano and his father was Antonio Quietano. Marcianna's
mother was Maria Santo Maciel and her father was João José Maciel. Great
grandfather was Alexander De Souza, born in 1883 in São Jorge and died
03/13/15. All I know of Alexander's father was that he was born in São
Jorge and died in Portugal.

There was a second post:

*Robert Souza*, 129 Round Court, Petaluma, CA 94952
Email: souzah...@att.net  or  souza...@mac.com
Date submitted: 19 Aug 2010
Location: Sao Jorge (village unknown)
Surname: Souza
Comments: My husband, Robert Souza and I are going to the Azores in two
weeks.  He would like to locate any relatives from his grandfather's side.
His grandfather’s name was *Alexander Souza *and came through Ellis Island
in 1896.  Ellis Island had him listed as Alexander De Souza. We believe he
was born around 1880.  Everything states that he came from *Sao Jorge,
Portugal *but doesn't tell us anything else.  We know of no other relatives
of his that emigrated.  If we had a birth village we could locate records
and perhaps relatives.

On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Eric, the  UPEC is/was a Fraternal Organization that sold insurance
> policies to Portuguese and also other immigrants (Italian, German, Swiss
> etc.) The nice thing about finding your people is that often there are
> other relatives in the same Councelho/Coucil. You also may find parent
> names of an immigrant that is still in the 'old country' because they were
> listed as the beneficiaries of the life insurance policy. Then, when your
> single immigrant got married the parent name was crossed out the the wife
> was listed. It also is a place to verify your island of birth and if you
> are lucky, the village!
>
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Eric Souza 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, everything between his birth and marriage at this point is
>> conjecture ... I would love to know when he came to the US, and what family
>> he ended up with in the Bay Area ...
>>
>> I'm sorry for the ignorant question, but I'm still learning - what are
>> UPEC records?
>>
>> Thank you!!
>>
>> - Eric
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 11:18:04 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric, what exactly are you trying to find? Your grandfather's place
>>> between his landing in the US and his marriage?? I don't think that you are
>>> going to find out how he ended up in Saucelito unless he had family he was
>>> coming to live with?? We sometimes find all of the docs we can and still
>>> never know the reasoning behind a move to a certain place. Usually it's
>>> because they had other Portuguese from their village or family in that
>>> place. I see that you haven't looked at the UPEC records for that area. I
>>> will look at the film on Tues when I go to work at the Family History Cntr
>>> here and see what I can find for you.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Eric Souza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dear Conterrâneos,

 I’ve been researching my Souza family heritage (Souza, Borba and Cunha
 descendants from São Jorge) and specifically how my great-grandfather came
 to Sausalito in the late 1800s (or possibly very early 1900s). A few months
 ago, this forum helped me identify the birth record for my
 great-grandfather, Alexander Souza
 ,
 from Topo. I'm so grateful!

 My great-grandfather, Alexander Souza, was born August 7, 1882, in
 Topo, São Jorge, and died March 13, 1915, in Sausalito. His parents were
 Manoel Jozé da 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Cheri Mello]

UPEC = Uniao Portuguesa Estado California or the United Portuguese of the
State of California.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Cheri Mello]

Eric,

Wrong Alex on the 1900 census. As you said, the ages are no where near
close, that Alex's wife is not Maria/Mary but an Ingelina or Angelina and
they were married within that year.

Where is Alex in 1910?

I haven't had to research Marin County in 1907, but the marriage license
*might* contain more information. What's in the book. I checked the Family
History Library Catalog (FHLC) and I'm not sure that there is anymore. It
lists only affidavits for marriages in that time period.

The death certificate says Alex had been in CA for 15 years, but the
informant is the undertaker. Not too sure how reliable his info is. He
didn't have the name of the Alex's parents, so I would guess not too
accurate.

Can you find him on the 1910?

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Eric, the  UPEC is/was a Fraternal Organization that sold insurance
policies to Portuguese and also other immigrants (Italian, German, Swiss
etc.) The nice thing about finding your people is that often there are
other relatives in the same Councelho/Coucil. You also may find parent
names of an immigrant that is still in the 'old country' because they were
listed as the beneficiaries of the life insurance policy. Then, when your
single immigrant got married the parent name was crossed out the the wife
was listed. It also is a place to verify your island of birth and if you
are lucky, the village!


Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Eric Souza 
wrote:

> Well, everything between his birth and marriage at this point is
> conjecture ... I would love to know when he came to the US, and what family
> he ended up with in the Bay Area ...
>
> I'm sorry for the ignorant question, but I'm still learning - what are
> UPEC records?
>
> Thank you!!
>
> - Eric
>
>
> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 11:18:04 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>>
>> Eric, what exactly are you trying to find? Your grandfather's place
>> between his landing in the US and his marriage?? I don't think that you are
>> going to find out how he ended up in Saucelito unless he had family he was
>> coming to live with?? We sometimes find all of the docs we can and still
>> never know the reasoning behind a move to a certain place. Usually it's
>> because they had other Portuguese from their village or family in that
>> place. I see that you haven't looked at the UPEC records for that area. I
>> will look at the film on Tues when I go to work at the Family History Cntr
>> here and see what I can find for you.
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Eric Souza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Conterrâneos,
>>>
>>> I’ve been researching my Souza family heritage (Souza, Borba and Cunha
>>> descendants from São Jorge) and specifically how my great-grandfather came
>>> to Sausalito in the late 1800s (or possibly very early 1900s). A few months
>>> ago, this forum helped me identify the birth record for my
>>> great-grandfather, Alexander Souza
>>> ,
>>> from Topo. I'm so grateful!
>>>
>>> My great-grandfather, Alexander Souza, was born August 7, 1882, in Topo,
>>> São Jorge, and died March 13, 1915, in Sausalito. His parents were Manoel
>>> Jozé da Cunha and Roza Delfina – he was the only son with the Souza surname
>>> – his four siblings were all named da Cunha, but his grandparents were de
>>> Sousa de Borba (which is likely why he was named Souza?). He had three
>>> sisters on São Jorge, and one brother - João da Cunha (born 1885 on São
>>> Jorge).
>>>
>>> He was also known on his probate (here is a link to download his probate
>>> )
>>> as “Alexander Souza Borba” and “Alexander S Borba”.
>>>
>>> Family legend says he was a whaler. Since there are no records that I
>>> have found for him immigrating legally (no voting records in Marin County,
>>> CA, or listings on the Atlantic ship manifests into New Bedford), I am
>>> guessing he came over illegally on a whaling boat in 1897 or early 1898
>>> when he was 15, to avoid conscription to the Portuguese military – required
>>> at age 16.
>>>
>>> He might have come on a whaling ship to one of the east coast ports. If
>>> so, once he jumped ship in New England (I’m assuming New Bedford), he would
>>> have likely taken the train over to San Francisco. I have been in contact
>>> with the New Bedford Whaling Museum, and they said they only have records
>>> of the whalemen who shipped from the port of New Bedford. But if I can
>>> identify the name of a vessel, they I could contact Joan Barney, the
>>> librarian in the genealogy room at the New Bedford library. Apparently,
>>> they have some shipping records in their collection for a select number of
>>> vessels and some of them do list the names of those who joined mid-voyage.
>>>
>>> Again, that's all speculation on my part. There were no Atlantic whalers
>>> that went on pacific voyages after 1892, so he wouldn't have taken a boat
>>> directly to San Francisco.
>>>
>>> There is no record that I have found of him between his birth and his
>>> marriage in 1907 to Mary Catan Mancebo in Sausalito.
>>>
>>> There were dairies in Sausalito and Mill Valley (specifically Tennessee
>>> Valley) that were owned by immigrants from São Jorge. A da Cunha family (I
>>> think it was Manoel Ferreira da Cunha, born Oct 1848, São Jorge) owned a
>>> large dairy there. Then there was 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Eric Souza]

Well, everything between his birth and marriage at this point is conjecture 
... I would love to know when he came to the US, and what family he ended 
up with in the Bay Area ...

I'm sorry for the ignorant question, but I'm still learning - what are UPEC 
records?

Thank you!!

- Eric


On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 11:18:04 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Eric, what exactly are you trying to find? Your grandfather's place 
> between his landing in the US and his marriage?? I don't think that you are 
> going to find out how he ended up in Saucelito unless he had family he was 
> coming to live with?? We sometimes find all of the docs we can and still 
> never know the reasoning behind a move to a certain place. Usually it's 
> because they had other Portuguese from their village or family in that 
> place. I see that you haven't looked at the UPEC records for that area. I 
> will look at the film on Tues when I go to work at the Family History Cntr 
> here and see what I can find for you. 
>
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Eric Souza  > wrote:
>
>> Dear Conterrâneos,
>>
>> I’ve been researching my Souza family heritage (Souza, Borba and Cunha 
>> descendants from São Jorge) and specifically how my great-grandfather came 
>> to Sausalito in the late 1800s (or possibly very early 1900s). A few months 
>> ago, this forum helped me identify the birth record for my 
>> great-grandfather, Alexander Souza 
>> ,
>>  
>> from Topo. I'm so grateful!
>>
>> My great-grandfather, Alexander Souza, was born August 7, 1882, in Topo, 
>> São Jorge, and died March 13, 1915, in Sausalito. His parents were Manoel 
>> Jozé da Cunha and Roza Delfina – he was the only son with the Souza surname 
>> – his four siblings were all named da Cunha, but his grandparents were de 
>> Sousa de Borba (which is likely why he was named Souza?). He had three 
>> sisters on São Jorge, and one brother - João da Cunha (born 1885 on São 
>> Jorge).
>>
>> He was also known on his probate (here is a link to download his probate 
>> ) 
>> as “Alexander Souza Borba” and “Alexander S Borba”.
>>
>> Family legend says he was a whaler. Since there are no records that I 
>> have found for him immigrating legally (no voting records in Marin County, 
>> CA, or listings on the Atlantic ship manifests into New Bedford), I am 
>> guessing he came over illegally on a whaling boat in 1897 or early 1898 
>> when he was 15, to avoid conscription to the Portuguese military – required 
>> at age 16.
>>
>> He might have come on a whaling ship to one of the east coast ports. If 
>> so, once he jumped ship in New England (I’m assuming New Bedford), he would 
>> have likely taken the train over to San Francisco. I have been in contact 
>> with the New Bedford Whaling Museum, and they said they only have records 
>> of the whalemen who shipped from the port of New Bedford. But if I can 
>> identify the name of a vessel, they I could contact Joan Barney, the 
>> librarian in the genealogy room at the New Bedford library. Apparently, 
>> they have some shipping records in their collection for a select number of 
>> vessels and some of them do list the names of those who joined mid-voyage.
>>
>> Again, that's all speculation on my part. There were no Atlantic whalers 
>> that went on pacific voyages after 1892, so he wouldn't have taken a boat 
>> directly to San Francisco.
>>
>> There is no record that I have found of him between his birth and his 
>> marriage in 1907 to Mary Catan Mancebo in Sausalito.
>>
>> There were dairies in Sausalito and Mill Valley (specifically Tennessee 
>> Valley) that were owned by immigrants from São Jorge. A da Cunha family (I 
>> think it was Manoel Ferreira da Cunha, born Oct 1848, São Jorge) owned a 
>> large dairy there. Then there was another dairy shown on the 1880 Census by 
>> partners Antonio Souza (born about 1850), Antonio Borba (1853), August 
>> Silva (1846) and Manuel Souza (1859). I'm guessing that these were possibly 
>> cousins, but I haven't been able to identify the connection to any of them. 
>>
>> There was also an Alexander Souza showing up in Point Reyes (western 
>> Marin County) on the 1900 census, but the ages don’t match up … also an 
>> Alexander Souza Borba in the East Bay ... my Alex's padrinho was Alexandre 
>> de Souza de Borba (born 1857) ...
>>
>> So that's a basic recap of where I am in my search for how Alexander 
>> Souza ended up in Sausalito! I've talked with the IDESST Portuguese Hall in 
>> Sausalito, and they don't have many old records showing members from before 
>> the 1950s, since there was a fire at one point and many records were lost, 
>> 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Diane, only the death records nothing else and I'm not even sure that ALL
of them are there.

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Diane George <digeorg...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> At least some of the UPEC records are online at Ancestry at in a
> collection of death and burial records.
>
>
> California, Death and Burial Records from Select Counties, 1873-1987
>
> http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8835
>
>
>
> This might make the search easier. I don’t know if all the UPEC records
> are included or not.
>
>
>
> Diane George
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Rosemarie Capodicci
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 12, 2016 11:18 AM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge
>
>
>
> Eric, what exactly are you trying to find? Your grandfather's place
> between his landing in the US and his marriage?? I don't think that you are
> going to find out how he ended up in Saucelito unless he had family he was
> coming to live with?? We sometimes find all of the docs we can and still
> never know the reasoning behind a move to a certain place. Usually it's
> because they had other Portuguese from their village or family in that
> place. I see that you haven't looked at the UPEC records for that area. I
> will look at the film on Tues when I go to work at the Family History Cntr
> here and see what I can find for you.
>
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
> rcap...@gmail.com
>
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Eric Souza <ericcharles.so...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Conterrâneos,
>
>
>
> I’ve been researching my Souza family heritage (Souza, Borba and Cunha
> descendants from São Jorge) and specifically how my great-grandfather came
> to Sausalito in the late 1800s (or possibly very early 1900s). A few months
> ago, this forum helped me identify the birth record for my
> great-grandfather, Alexander Souza
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1880-1889/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1880-1889_item1/P92.html>,
> from Topo. I'm so grateful!
>
>
>
> My great-grandfather, Alexander Souza, was born August 7, 1882, in Topo,
> São Jorge, and died March 13, 1915, in Sausalito. His parents were Manoel
> Jozé da Cunha and Roza Delfina – he was the only son with the Souza surname
> – his four siblings were all named da Cunha, but his grandparents were de
> Sousa de Borba (which is likely why he was named Souza?). He had three
> sisters on São Jorge, and one brother - João da Cunha (born 1885 on São
> Jorge).
>
>
>
> He was also known on his probate (here is a link to download his probate
> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57041182/Alex-Souza-Probate.pdf>) as
> “Alexander Souza Borba” and “Alexander S Borba”.
>
>
>
> Family legend says he was a whaler. Since there are no records that I have
> found for him immigrating legally (no voting records in Marin County, CA,
> or listings on the Atlantic ship manifests into New Bedford), I am guessing
> he came over illegally on a whaling boat in 1897 or early 1898 when he was
> 15, to avoid conscription to the Portuguese military – required at age 16.
>
>
>
> He might have come on a whaling ship to one of the east coast ports. If
> so, once he jumped ship in New England (I’m assuming New Bedford), he would
> have likely taken the train over to San Francisco. I have been in contact
> with the New Bedford Whaling Museum, and they said they only have records
> of the whalemen who shipped from the port of New Bedford. But if I can
> identify the name of a vessel, they I could contact Joan Barney, the
> librarian in the genealogy room at the New Bedford library. Apparently,
> they have some shipping records in their collection for a select number of
> vessels and some of them do list the names of those who joined mid-voyage.
>
>
>
> Again, that's all speculation on my part. There were no Atlantic whalers
> that went on pacific voyages after 1892, so he wouldn't have taken a boat
> directly to San Francisco.
>
>
>
> There is no record that I have found of him between his birth and his
> marriage in 1907 to Mary Catan Mancebo in Sausalito.
>
>
>
> There were dairies in Sausalito and Mill Valley (specifically Tennessee
> Valley) that were owned by immigrants from São Jorge. A da Cunha family (I
> think it was Manoel Ferreira

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Diane George]

Hi,

 

At least some of the UPEC records are online at Ancestry at in a collection of 
death and burial records.

 


California, Death and Burial Records from Select Counties, 1873-1987


http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8835

 

This might make the search easier. I don’t know if all the UPEC records are 
included or not.

 

Diane George

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rosemarie Capodicci
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 11:18 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

 

Eric, what exactly are you trying to find? Your grandfather's place between his 
landing in the US and his marriage?? I don't think that you are going to find 
out how he ended up in Saucelito unless he had family he was coming to live 
with?? We sometimes find all of the docs we can and still never know the 
reasoning behind a move to a certain place. Usually it's because they had other 
Portuguese from their village or family in that place. I see that you haven't 
looked at the UPEC records for that area. I will look at the film on Tues when 
I go to work at the Family History Cntr here and see what I can find for you. 

 




Rosemarie 

 <mailto:rcap...@gmail.com> rcap...@gmail.com

Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,

Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

 

On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Eric Souza <ericcharles.so...@gmail.com 
<mailto:ericcharles.so...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Dear Conterrâneos,

 

I’ve been researching my Souza family heritage (Souza, Borba and Cunha 
descendants from São Jorge) and specifically how my great-grandfather came to 
Sausalito in the late 1800s (or possibly very early 1900s). A few months ago, 
this forum helped me identify the birth record for my great-grandfather, 
Alexander Souza 
<http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1880-1889/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1880-1889_item1/P92.html>
 , from Topo. I'm so grateful!

 

My great-grandfather, Alexander Souza, was born August 7, 1882, in Topo, São 
Jorge, and died March 13, 1915, in Sausalito. His parents were Manoel Jozé da 
Cunha and Roza Delfina – he was the only son with the Souza surname – his four 
siblings were all named da Cunha, but his grandparents were de Sousa de Borba 
(which is likely why he was named Souza?). He had three sisters on São Jorge, 
and one brother - João da Cunha (born 1885 on São Jorge).

 

He was also known on his probate (here is a link to download his probate 
<https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57041182/Alex-Souza-Probate.pdf> ) as 
“Alexander Souza Borba” and “Alexander S Borba”.

 

Family legend says he was a whaler. Since there are no records that I have 
found for him immigrating legally (no voting records in Marin County, CA, or 
listings on the Atlantic ship manifests into New Bedford), I am guessing he 
came over illegally on a whaling boat in 1897 or early 1898 when he was 15, to 
avoid conscription to the Portuguese military – required at age 16.

 

He might have come on a whaling ship to one of the east coast ports. If so, 
once he jumped ship in New England (I’m assuming New Bedford), he would have 
likely taken the train over to San Francisco. I have been in contact with the 
New Bedford Whaling Museum, and they said they only have records of the 
whalemen who shipped from the port of New Bedford. But if I can identify the 
name of a vessel, they I could contact Joan Barney, the librarian in the 
genealogy room at the New Bedford library. Apparently, they have some shipping 
records in their collection for a select number of vessels and some of them do 
list the names of those who joined mid-voyage.

 

Again, that's all speculation on my part. There were no Atlantic whalers that 
went on pacific voyages after 1892, so he wouldn't have taken a boat directly 
to San Francisco.

 

There is no record that I have found of him between his birth and his marriage 
in 1907 to Mary Catan Mancebo in Sausalito.

 

There were dairies in Sausalito and Mill Valley (specifically Tennessee Valley) 
that were owned by immigrants from São Jorge. A da Cunha family (I think it was 
Manoel Ferreira da Cunha, born Oct 1848, São Jorge) owned a large dairy there. 
Then there was another dairy shown on the 1880 Census by partners Antonio Souza 
(born about 1850), Antonio Borba (1853), August Silva (1846) and Manuel Souza 
(1859). I'm guessing that these were possibly cousins, but I haven't been able 
to identify the connection to any of them. 

 

There was also an Alexander Souza showing up in Point Reyes (western Marin 
County) on the 1900 census, but the ages don’t match up … also an Alexander 
Souza Borba in the East Bay ... my Alex's padrinho was Alexandre de Souza de 
Borba (born 1857) ...

 

So that's a basic recap of where I am in my search for how Alexander Souza 
ended up in Sausalito! I've talked with the IDESST

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Alexander Souza immigration challenge

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Eric, what exactly are you trying to find? Your grandfather's place between
his landing in the US and his marriage?? I don't think that you are going
to find out how he ended up in Saucelito unless he had family he was coming
to live with?? We sometimes find all of the docs we can and still never
know the reasoning behind a move to a certain place. Usually it's because
they had other Portuguese from their village or family in that place. I see
that you haven't looked at the UPEC records for that area. I will look at
the film on Tues when I go to work at the Family History Cntr here and see
what I can find for you.


Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Eric Souza 
wrote:

> Dear Conterrâneos,
>
> I’ve been researching my Souza family heritage (Souza, Borba and Cunha
> descendants from São Jorge) and specifically how my great-grandfather came
> to Sausalito in the late 1800s (or possibly very early 1900s). A few months
> ago, this forum helped me identify the birth record for my
> great-grandfather, Alexander Souza
> ,
> from Topo. I'm so grateful!
>
> My great-grandfather, Alexander Souza, was born August 7, 1882, in Topo,
> São Jorge, and died March 13, 1915, in Sausalito. His parents were Manoel
> Jozé da Cunha and Roza Delfina – he was the only son with the Souza surname
> – his four siblings were all named da Cunha, but his grandparents were de
> Sousa de Borba (which is likely why he was named Souza?). He had three
> sisters on São Jorge, and one brother - João da Cunha (born 1885 on São
> Jorge).
>
> He was also known on his probate (here is a link to download his probate
> ) as
> “Alexander Souza Borba” and “Alexander S Borba”.
>
> Family legend says he was a whaler. Since there are no records that I have
> found for him immigrating legally (no voting records in Marin County, CA,
> or listings on the Atlantic ship manifests into New Bedford), I am guessing
> he came over illegally on a whaling boat in 1897 or early 1898 when he was
> 15, to avoid conscription to the Portuguese military – required at age 16.
>
> He might have come on a whaling ship to one of the east coast ports. If
> so, once he jumped ship in New England (I’m assuming New Bedford), he would
> have likely taken the train over to San Francisco. I have been in contact
> with the New Bedford Whaling Museum, and they said they only have records
> of the whalemen who shipped from the port of New Bedford. But if I can
> identify the name of a vessel, they I could contact Joan Barney, the
> librarian in the genealogy room at the New Bedford library. Apparently,
> they have some shipping records in their collection for a select number of
> vessels and some of them do list the names of those who joined mid-voyage.
>
> Again, that's all speculation on my part. There were no Atlantic whalers
> that went on pacific voyages after 1892, so he wouldn't have taken a boat
> directly to San Francisco.
>
> There is no record that I have found of him between his birth and his
> marriage in 1907 to Mary Catan Mancebo in Sausalito.
>
> There were dairies in Sausalito and Mill Valley (specifically Tennessee
> Valley) that were owned by immigrants from São Jorge. A da Cunha family (I
> think it was Manoel Ferreira da Cunha, born Oct 1848, São Jorge) owned a
> large dairy there. Then there was another dairy shown on the 1880 Census by
> partners Antonio Souza (born about 1850), Antonio Borba (1853), August
> Silva (1846) and Manuel Souza (1859). I'm guessing that these were possibly
> cousins, but I haven't been able to identify the connection to any of them.
>
> There was also an Alexander Souza showing up in Point Reyes (western Marin
> County) on the 1900 census, but the ages don’t match up … also an Alexander
> Souza Borba in the East Bay ... my Alex's padrinho was Alexandre de Souza
> de Borba (born 1857) ...
>
> So that's a basic recap of where I am in my search for how Alexander Souza
> ended up in Sausalito! I've talked with the IDESST Portuguese Hall in
> Sausalito, and they don't have many old records showing members from before
> the 1950s, since there was a fire at one point and many records were lost,
> and the Hall was also moved ...
>
> Thanks,
> Eric
>
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