Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra demeninhos(as)"?

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

Wonderful thread and discussion everyone.  I have been so impressed with
the literacy and skills that are being shown through this search back in
time for my husbands ancestors from São Miguel and Madeira.

D


On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 1:44 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:

> An interview about 'mestras':  http://portocanal.sapo.pt/noticia/163588/
>
> Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia sexta, 15/11/2019 à(s)
> 21:25:
>
>> Crafts can be many things. A really good plumber could master his craft
>> too. Maybe he'd be a mestre as well.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 1:13 PM Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cheri, you can take it to mean as you wish but I disagree it covers just
>>> crafts.  Simply because I grew up with the term.  My Mom and Grandmother’s
>>> teacher was a Mestra, and that was Education, not crafts.
>>>
>>> The term is also used in English schools.  The Principal of the School
>>> was the Head Master.  Why do you think that is?
>>>
>>> Angela’s references first Edition is dated 1798— discussing Antiquated
>>> terminology prior to that time period. While the question posted was for
>>> *1870-1879*.  If antiquated back then how much more antiquated will it
>>> not be 72 years later?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A mestre / mestra is a teacher whether that be trades or education.
>>>
>>>
>>> mestra
>>> Significado de Mestra
>>>
>>> substantivo feminine Mulher que ensina ou leciona; professora.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>>> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 3:10 PM
>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra
>>> demeninhos(as)"?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, from an American point-of-view, she was the teacher (or person who
>>> mastered her craft) of home economics. Interesting terminology from back
>>> then,
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM Ângela Loura 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good
>>> housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia sexta,
>>> 15/11/2019 à(s) 17:21:
>>>
>>> “Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means
>>> “School girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex.  Mixed
>>> classes did not exist back then.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Margaret v.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>>> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 12:09 PM
>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de
>>> meninhos(as)"?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Jessica,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is
>>> teacher (feminine).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure
>>> out if it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is
>>> someone who has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone
>>> who went to school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used
>>> for a person who is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers
>>> can shed more light on this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's
>>> in charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a
>>> girls' principal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> L

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra demeninhos(as)"?

[Ângela Loura]

An interview about 'mestras':  http://portocanal.sapo.pt/noticia/163588/

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia sexta, 15/11/2019 à(s)
21:25:

> Crafts can be many things. A really good plumber could master his craft
> too. Maybe he'd be a mestre as well.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 1:13 PM Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Cheri, you can take it to mean as you wish but I disagree it covers just
>> crafts.  Simply because I grew up with the term.  My Mom and Grandmother’s
>> teacher was a Mestra, and that was Education, not crafts.
>>
>> The term is also used in English schools.  The Principal of the School
>> was the Head Master.  Why do you think that is?
>>
>> Angela’s references first Edition is dated 1798— discussing Antiquated
>> terminology prior to that time period. While the question posted was for
>> *1870-1879*.  If antiquated back then how much more antiquated will it
>> not be 72 years later?
>>
>>
>>
>> A mestre / mestra is a teacher whether that be trades or education.
>>
>>
>> mestra
>> Significado de Mestra
>>
>> substantivo feminine Mulher que ensina ou leciona; professora.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 3:10 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra
>> demeninhos(as)"?
>>
>>
>>
>> So, from an American point-of-view, she was the teacher (or person who
>> mastered her craft) of home economics. Interesting terminology from back
>> then,
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM Ângela Loura 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good
>> housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies...
>>
>>
>>
>> Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia sexta,
>> 15/11/2019 à(s) 17:21:
>>
>> “Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means
>> “School girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex.  Mixed
>> classes did not exist back then.
>>
>>
>>
>> Margaret v.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 12:09 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de
>> meninhos(as)"?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Jessica,
>>
>>
>>
>> Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is
>> teacher (feminine).
>>
>>
>>
>> You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure out
>> if it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.
>>
>>
>>
>> So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is someone
>> who has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone who went
>> to school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used for a
>> person who is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers can
>> shed more light on this.
>>
>>
>>
>> My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's in
>> charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a girls'
>> principal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:
>>
>> Hi group!
>>
>>
>>
>> For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It states
>> that the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or just
>> girls" I can't tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much
>> schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm
>> assuming mestra means teacher.
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra demeninhos(as)"?

[Cheri Mello]

Crafts can be many things. A really good plumber could master his craft
too. Maybe he'd be a mestre as well.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 1:13 PM Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Cheri, you can take it to mean as you wish but I disagree it covers just
> crafts.  Simply because I grew up with the term.  My Mom and Grandmother’s
> teacher was a Mestra, and that was Education, not crafts.
>
> The term is also used in English schools.  The Principal of the School was
> the Head Master.  Why do you think that is?
>
> Angela’s references first Edition is dated 1798— discussing Antiquated
> terminology prior to that time period. While the question posted was for
> *1870-1879*.  If antiquated back then how much more antiquated will it
> not be 72 years later?
>
>
>
> A mestre / mestra is a teacher whether that be trades or education.
>
>
> mestra
> Significado de Mestra
>
> substantivo feminine Mulher que ensina ou leciona; professora.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 3:10 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra
> demeninhos(as)"?
>
>
>
> So, from an American point-of-view, she was the teacher (or person who
> mastered her craft) of home economics. Interesting terminology from back
> then,
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM Ângela Loura 
> wrote:
>
> Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good
> housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies...
>
>
>
> Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia sexta,
> 15/11/2019 à(s) 17:21:
>
> “Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means
> “School girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex.  Mixed
> classes did not exist back then.
>
>
>
> Margaret v.
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 12:09 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de
> meninhos(as)"?
>
>
>
> Hi Jessica,
>
>
>
> Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is
> teacher (feminine).
>
>
>
> You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure out
> if it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.
>
>
>
> So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is someone
> who has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone who went
> to school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used for a
> person who is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers can
> shed more light on this.
>
>
>
> My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's in
> charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a girls'
> principal.
>
>
>
> Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:
>
> Hi group!
>
>
>
> For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It states
> that the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or just
> girls" I can't tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much
> schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm
> assuming mestra means teacher.
>
>
>
> This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than
> "domestica" or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Jessica
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

 Depending on the time and place (e.g. Bretanha in 1850) state run public 
primary schools were few and far between. So, some people who had some primary 
schooling (e.g. 2nd grade level) would set up a private school in their homes 
and charged tuition. These "mestres" taught the basics, as best they could. 
When official examiners for the state made inspections, they often wrote 
scathing reports about these uncertified teachers whom they classified as 
barely literate. Miguel Soares da Silva's book As Escolas de Santo Antonio e 
Santa Barbara, Nova Grafica, Ponta Delgada: 2008 and "Os Remedios no Contexto 
da Bretanha" in Memoria e Identidade: Paroquia de Nossa Senhora dos Remedios, 
Nova Grafica, Ponta Delgada: 2006, are great references.
I hope this helps.
John Miranda Raposo


   On Friday, November 15, 2019, 3:18:51 PM EST, Ângela Loura 
 wrote:  
 
 I take this opportunity, since some of these terms come all the way from the 
middle ages, to share with you 2 volumes of a book containing the meaning of 
old portuguese words, called Elucidário, it may be useful: http://purl.pt/13944
Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia sexta, 15/11/2019 à(s) 20:10:

So, from an American point-of-view, she was the teacher (or person who mastered 
her craft) of home economics. Interesting terminology from back then,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:

Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good 
housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies...
Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia sexta, 15/11/2019 
à(s) 17:21:


“Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means “School 
girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex.  Mixed classes did 
not exist back then.

 

Margaret v.

 

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: November 15, 2019 12:09 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?

 

Hi Jessica,

 

Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is teacher 
(feminine).

 

You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure out if 
it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.

 

So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is someone who 
has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone who went to 
school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used for a person who 
is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers can shed more light on 
this.

 

My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's in 
charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a girls' 
principal. 

 

Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri

 

 

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

 

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:


Hi group!

 

For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It states that 
the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or just girls" I can't 
tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _. 

 

Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much 
schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm assuming 
mestra means teacher.

 

This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than "domestica" 
or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued. 

 

Thank you,

 

Jessica

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra demeninhos(as)"?

[Margaret Vicente]

Cheri, you can take it to mean as you wish but I disagree it covers just 
crafts.  Simply because I grew up with the term.  My Mom and Grandmother’s 
teacher was a Mestra, and that was Education, not crafts. 
The term is also used in English schools.  The Principal of the School was the 
Head Master.  Why do you think that is? 
Angela’s references first Edition is dated 1798— discussing Antiquated 
terminology prior to that time period. While the question posted was for  
1870-1879.  If antiquated back then how much more antiquated will it not be 72 
years later?

A mestre / mestra is a teacher whether that be trades or education.

mestra
Significado de Mestra
substantivo feminine Mulher que ensina ou leciona; professora.


Best,
Margaret

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: November 15, 2019 3:10 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra demeninhos(as)"?

So, from an American point-of-view, she was the teacher (or person who mastered 
her craft) of home economics. Interesting terminology from back then,

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good 
housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies...

Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia sexta, 15/11/2019 
à(s) 17:21:
“Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means “School 
girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex.  Mixed classes did 
not exist back then.
 
Margaret v.
 
From: Cheri Mello
Sent: November 15, 2019 12:09 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?
 
Hi Jessica,
 
Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is teacher 
(feminine).
 
You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure out if 
it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.
 
So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is someone who 
has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone who went to 
school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used for a person who 
is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers can shed more light on 
this.
 
My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's in 
charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a girls' 
principal. 
 
Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri
 
 
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
 
On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:
Hi group!
 
For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It states that 
the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or just girls" I can't 
tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _. 
 
Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much 
schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm assuming 
mestra means teacher.
 
This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than "domestica" 
or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued. 
 
Thank you,
 
Jessica
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?

[Ângela Loura]

I take this opportunity, since some of these terms come all the way from
the middle ages, to share with you 2 volumes of a book containing the
meaning of old portuguese words, called Elucidário, it may be useful:
http://purl.pt/13944

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia sexta, 15/11/2019 à(s)
20:10:

> So, from an American point-of-view, she was the teacher (or person who
> mastered her craft) of home economics. Interesting terminology from back
> then,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM Ângela Loura 
> wrote:
>
>> Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good
>> housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies...
>>
>> Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia sexta,
>> 15/11/2019 à(s) 17:21:
>>
>>> “Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means
>>> “School girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex.  Mixed
>>> classes did not exist back then.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Margaret v.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>>> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 12:09 PM
>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de
>>> meninhos(as)"?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Jessica,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is
>>> teacher (feminine).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure
>>> out if it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is
>>> someone who has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone
>>> who went to school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used
>>> for a person who is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers
>>> can shed more light on this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's
>>> in charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a
>>> girls' principal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi group!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It
>>> states that the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or
>>> just girls" I can't tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much
>>> schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm
>>> assuming mestra means teacher.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than
>>> "domestica" or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jessica
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?

[Cheri Mello]

So, from an American point-of-view, she was the teacher (or person who
mastered her craft) of home economics. Interesting terminology from back
then,
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:

> Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good
> housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies...
>
> Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia sexta,
> 15/11/2019 à(s) 17:21:
>
>> “Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means
>> “School girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex.  Mixed
>> classes did not exist back then.
>>
>>
>>
>> Margaret v.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 12:09 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de
>> meninhos(as)"?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Jessica,
>>
>>
>>
>> Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is
>> teacher (feminine).
>>
>>
>>
>> You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure out
>> if it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.
>>
>>
>>
>> So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is someone
>> who has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone who went
>> to school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used for a
>> person who is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers can
>> shed more light on this.
>>
>>
>>
>> My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's in
>> charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a girls'
>> principal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:
>>
>> Hi group!
>>
>>
>>
>> For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It states
>> that the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or just
>> girls" I can't tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much
>> schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm
>> assuming mestra means teacher.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than
>> "domestica" or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>>
>> Jessica
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?

[Ângela Loura]

Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good
housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies...

Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia sexta,
15/11/2019 à(s) 17:21:

> “Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means
> “School girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex.  Mixed
> classes did not exist back then.
>
>
>
> Margaret v.
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *November 15, 2019 12:09 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de
> meninhos(as)"?
>
>
>
> Hi Jessica,
>
>
>
> Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is
> teacher (feminine).
>
>
>
> You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure out
> if it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.
>
>
>
> So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is someone
> who has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone who went
> to school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used for a
> person who is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers can
> shed more light on this.
>
>
>
> My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's in
> charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a girls'
> principal.
>
>
>
> Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:
>
> Hi group!
>
>
>
> For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It states
> that the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or just
> girls" I can't tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much
> schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm
> assuming mestra means teacher.
>
>
>
> This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than
> "domestica" or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Jessica
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?

[Margaret Vicente]

“Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means “School 
girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex.  Mixed classes did 
not exist back then.

Margaret v.

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: November 15, 2019 12:09 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?

Hi Jessica,

Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is teacher 
(feminine).

You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure out if 
it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.

So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is someone who 
has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone who went to 
school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used for a person who 
is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers can shed more light on 
this.

My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's in 
charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a girls' 
principal. 

Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:
Hi group!

For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It states that 
the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or just girls" I can't 
tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _. 

Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much 
schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm assuming 
mestra means teacher.

This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than "domestica" 
or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued. 

Thank you,

Jessica

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos (as)"?

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Jessica,

Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is teacher
(feminine).

You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure out
if it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.

So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is someone
who has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone who went
to school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used for a
person who is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers can
shed more light on this.

My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's in
charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a girls'
principal.

Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:

> Hi group!
>
> For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It states
> that the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or just
> girls" I can't tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _.
>
> Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much
> schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm
> assuming mestra means teacher.
>
> This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than
> "domestica" or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jessica
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question regarding the meaning of: Velho

[Liz Migliori]

Oh no.  Now I’m gonna have to go back and look them all up again to see if 
there was a comma or not

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 25, 2019, at 12:53 AM, JR  wrote:
> 
> O Velho, is definitely, the elder. However, Velho is a very old legitimate 
> surname. So I would agree, if the name is prefaced by a comma, it means the 
> elder. If there is no comma, it is a surname. Velho as a surname predates the 
> written church records. The name appears to have fallen out of favour and is 
> hardly used any more, at least based on what I see in the later 1800-1899 
> records. Though I could be wrong. Frei Goncalo Velho Cabral was the 
> discoverer of the Azores and the first Capitao Donatario of Sao Miguel and 
> Santa Maria. He was the son of Fernao Velho, who was Knight of Santiago. Ilha 
> de St Maria has many Velho names. This all from the the first edition of 
> Rodrigo Rodrigues.
> 
> JR 
> 
>> On Sunday, August 25, 2019 at 12:17:32 AM UTC-4, Lizmig wrote:
>> I have that also in several of mine. Sometimes even O Velho
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Aug 24, 2019, at 6:58 PM, Ângela Loura  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It depends on the case. Sometimes it was only used to mention the elder 
>>> person with X name, and sometimes it became a last name just like some 
>>> nicknames do.
>>> 
>>> 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu 
>>> no dia sábado, 24/08/2019 à(s) 23:53:
 Good afternoon everyone; I have a question regarding the word/name: Velho. 
  When you see it after someone’s name without a comma, is it a part of the 
 name or just it mean, “the elder” or something like that.
 
  
 
 Thanks for your responses,
 
  
 
 Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
  
 
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question regarding the meaning of: Velho

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Thank you everyone for your thoughts on my question of Velho, O Velho, etc.  
The various uses of names, parts of names, etc. in the records sometimes makes 
me want to give up.  Who knew the journey this hunt for ancestors would take me 
on! LOL!

Muito Obrigado,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: JR
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2019 10:53 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question regarding the meaning of: Velho

O Velho, is definitely, the elder. However, Velho is a very old legitimate 
surname. So I would agree, if the name is prefaced by a comma, it means the 
elder. If there is no comma, it is a surname. Velho as a surname predates the 
written church records. The name appears to have fallen out of favour and is 
hardly used any more, at least based on what I see in the later 1800-1899 
records. Though I could be wrong. Frei Goncalo Velho Cabral was the discoverer 
of the Azores and the first Capitao Donatario of Sao Miguel and Santa Maria. He 
was the son of Fernao Velho, who was Knight of Santiago. Ilha de St Maria has 
many Velho names. This all from the the first edition of Rodrigo Rodrigues.

JR 

On Sunday, August 25, 2019 at 12:17:32 AM UTC-4, Lizmig wrote:
I have that also in several of mine. Sometimes even O Velho
Sent from my iPad

On Aug 24, 2019, at 6:58 PM, Ângela Loura  wrote:
It depends on the case. Sometimes it was only used to mention the elder person 
with X name, and sometimes it became a last name just like some nicknames do.

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu no 
dia sábado, 24/08/2019 à(s) 23:53:
Good afternoon everyone; I have a question regarding the word/name: Velho.  
When you see it after someone’s name without a comma, is it a part of the name 
or just it mean, “the elder” or something like that.
 
Thanks for your responses,
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question regarding the meaning of: Velho

[JR]

O Velho, is definitely, the elder. However, Velho is a very old legitimate 
surname. So I would agree, if the name is prefaced by a comma, it means the 
elder. If there is no comma, it is a surname. Velho as a surname predates 
the written church records. The name appears to have fallen out of favour 
and is hardly used any more, at least based on what I see in the later 
1800-1899 records. Though I could be wrong. Frei Goncalo Velho Cabral was 
the discoverer of the Azores and the first Capitao Donatario of Sao Miguel 
and Santa Maria. He was the son of Fernao Velho, who was Knight of 
Santiago. Ilha de St Maria has many Velho names. This all from the the 
first edition of Rodrigo Rodrigues.

JR 

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> It depends on the case. Sometimes it was only used to mention the elder 
> person with X name, and sometimes it became a last name just like some 
> nicknames do.
>
> 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  > escreveu no dia sábado, 24/08/2019 à(s) 23:53:
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>> Good afternoon everyone; I have a question regarding the word/name: 
>> Velho.  When you see it after someone’s name without a comma, is it a part 
>> of the name or just it mean, “the elder” or something like that.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question regarding the meaning of: Velho

[Elizabeth Migliori]

I have that also in several of mine. Sometimes even O Velho

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> It depends on the case. Sometimes it was only used to mention the elder 
> person with X name, and sometimes it became a last name just like some 
> nicknames do.
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>> Good afternoon everyone; I have a question regarding the word/name: Velho.  
>> When you see it after someone’s name without a comma, is it a part of the 
>> name or just it mean, “the elder” or something like that.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks for your responses,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question regarding the meaning of: Velho

[Ângela Loura]

It depends on the case. Sometimes it was only used to mention the elder
person with X name, and sometimes it became a last name just like some
nicknames do.

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia sábado, 24/08/2019 à(s) 23:53:

> Good afternoon everyone; I have a question regarding the word/name:
> Velho.  When you see it after someone’s name without a comma, is it a part
> of the name or just it mean, “the elder” or something like that.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question regarding the meaning of: Velho

['Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Sam,
When I encountered the name without a comma, I was told it was an alcunha 
meaning old.  Others more experienced than I may weigh in with other info.
Deb
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On Saturday, August 24, 2019, 03:53:42 PM PDT, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores 
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Good afternoon everyone; I have a question regarding the word/name: Velho.  
When you see it after someone’s name without a comma, is it a part of the name 
or just it mean, “the elder” or something like that.

  

Thanks for your responses,

  

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

  


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about the relationship of godparentsto the child

[doreencaetano]

Thank you. Now I just need to figure out if Joaquim Jose de Bettencourt the 
father or son that is in my database. Have a great day. Doreen

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Hi Doreen: 

Looks like "sua irma" - his sister.  Joaquim Jose de Bettencourt and D. 
Benedicta Rosa are brother and sister and natives of this same parish of Sao 
Roque.

Roselyn

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 10:37 AM  wrote:
There is a note about the relationship of the godparents but I can get through 
the language. I just see Joaquim Jose de Bettencourt and D. Benedicta Rosa 
??Irmao.
It is the record for Maria on the lower right side of the page.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1815-1826/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1815-1826_item1/P88.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about the relationship of godparents to the child

[Hughes Roselyn]

Hi Doreen:

Looks like "sua irma" - his sister.  Joaquim Jose de Bettencourt and D.
Benedicta Rosa are brother and sister and natives of this same parish of
Sao Roque.

Roselyn

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 10:37 AM  wrote:

> There is a note about the relationship of the godparents but I can get
> through the language. I just see Joaquim Jose de Bettencourt and D.
> Benedicta Rosa ??Irmao.
>
> It is the record for Maria on the lower right side of the page.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question re:Portuguese surname traditions, going back to my children's great-grandfather.

['Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy]

Yes, we both did, thank you! 
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> On Jul 1, 2019, at 6:56 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
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> Thanks, Kathy! I'm assuming that you arrived home safe-and-sound and my Primo 
> did too! 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 6:55 AM 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy 
> mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
> Regarding the Naming Practices of the Azores…… there is also a basic 
> explanation of these traditions and practices ob the Azores GenWeb:  
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-m---z/naming-practices-of-the.html
>  
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>> On Jun 30, 2019, at 8:26 PM, JOSEPHINE MIGUEL > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Margaret,
>> 
>> Thank you for sending the link. I will be checking into it. 
>> Josephine 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Jun 30, 2019, at 11:15 AM, Margaret Vicente > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Josephine,
>>> 
>>> Naming practices and conventions varied in Portugal due to Historic and 
>>> Religous influences in Portugal.  Perhaps some one will address your 
>>> question, but you may also find the explanation in the attached link, which 
>>> in my opinion, is not quite right but it does drive the idea home "A Guide 
>>> to Naming Practices". 
>>> 
>>> https://www.fbiic.gov/public/2008/nov/Naming_practice_guide_UK_2006.pdf 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  m
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 1:45 PM JOSEPHINE MIGUEL >> > wrote:
>>> Hello Cheri,
>>> I thank you for your replies to my son, Don Miguel, with his question 
>>> regarding paternal great-grandparents.  It shed valuable light and before 
>>> now, unknown, information.  Going forward from Passport Registrations and 
>>> Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii, Jacintho Miguel de Medeiros and wife 
>>> Antonia Hermina do Rego immigrated to Hawaii in1882.  Through Ancestry.com 
>>>  I found a City Directory (1822-1989) listing 
>>> Jacintho Miguel at gen store Laniwai nr Cooke (I believe his employment).  
>>> All six of their children born in Hawaii, surname Miguel.
>>> Jachinto (another misspelling) Miguel on California Passenger List arriving 
>>> San Francisco 24 May 1910; son Manuel Miguel on same Passenger List.  
>>> Antoia Miguel De Medeiros on California Passenger List arriving San 
>>> Francisco one week later, 31 May 1910.
>>> Confused with surname Miguel because of "de Medeiros" and "do Rego".  Also, 
>>> saw Antonia Rega listed, which I then thought was her maiden name.
>>> Thanks, Josephine Miguel 
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, June 29, 2019, 10:36:47 PM PDT, Cheri Mello 
>>> mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Josephine,
>>> To do research, you need a name, a date, and a place. You have a date of 
>>> 1882 and a place of Hawaii, yet no name. You need to state what you know 
>>> about the immigrant ancestor, including all names that you have found. We 
>>> are unable to help you otherwise.
>>> Thanks, Cheri
>>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2019, 10:32 PM jomig...@sbcglobal.net 
>>>  >> > wrote:
>>> Their great-grandfather sailed from the Azores under a name different from 
>>> the name used after immigrating to Hawaii in 1882. 
>>> Any input or comments to help give a clearer understanding would be greatly 
>>> appreciated.
>>> 
>>> -Josephine Miguel
>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question re:Portuguese surname traditions, going back to my children's great-grandfather.

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Thanks, Kathy! I'm assuming that you arrived home safe-and-sound and my
Primo did too!

Rosemarie
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> On Jun 30, 2019, at 8:26 PM, JOSEPHINE MIGUEL 
> wrote:
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> Hello Margaret,
>
> Thank you for sending the link. I will be checking into it.
> Josephine
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 30, 2019, at 11:15 AM, Margaret Vicente 
> wrote:
>
> Hello Josephine,
>
> Naming practices and conventions varied in Portugal due to Historic and
> Religous influences in Portugal.  Perhaps some one will address your
> question, but you may also find the explanation in the attached link, which
> in my opinion, is not quite right but it does drive the idea home "A Guide
> to Naming Practices".
>
> https://www.fbiic.gov/public/2008/nov/Naming_practice_guide_UK_2006.pdf
>
>  m
>
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 1:45 PM JOSEPHINE MIGUEL 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Cheri,
>> I thank you for your replies to my son, Don Miguel, with his question
>> regarding paternal great-grandparents.  It shed valuable light and before
>> now, unknown, information.  Going forward from Passport Registrations and
>> Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii, Jacintho Miguel de Medeiros and wife
>> Antonia Hermina do Rego immigrated to Hawaii in1882.  Through
>> Ancestry.com  I found a City Directory (1822-1989)
>> listing Jacintho Miguel at gen store Laniwai nr Cooke (I believe his
>> employment).  All six of their children born in Hawaii, surname Miguel.
>> Jachinto (another misspelling) Miguel on California Passenger List
>> arriving San Francisco 24 May 1910; son Manuel Miguel on same Passenger
>> List.  Antoia Miguel De Medeiros on California Passenger List arriving San
>> Francisco one week later, 31 May 1910.
>> Confused with surname Miguel because of "de Medeiros" and "do Rego".
>> Also, saw Antonia Rega listed, which I then thought was her maiden name.
>> Thanks, Josephine Miguel
>>
>> On Saturday, June 29, 2019, 10:36:47 PM PDT, Cheri Mello <
>> gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Josephine,
>> To do research, you need a name, a date, and a place. You have a date of
>> 1882 and a place of Hawaii, yet no name. You need to state what you know
>> about the immigrant ancestor, including all names that you have found. We
>> are unable to help you otherwise.
>> Thanks, Cheri
>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2019, 10:32 PM jomig...@sbcglobal.net <
>> jomig...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> Their great-grandfather sailed from the Azores under a name different
>> from the name used after immigrating to Hawaii in 1882.
>> Any input or comments to help give a clearer understanding would be
>> greatly appreciated.
>>
>> -Josephine Miguel
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question re:Portuguese surname traditions, going back to my children's great-grandfather.

['Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy]

Regarding the Naming Practices of the Azores…… there is also a basic 
explanation of these traditions and practices ob the Azores GenWeb:  
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-m---z/naming-practices-of-the.html
 


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> On Jun 30, 2019, at 8:26 PM, JOSEPHINE MIGUEL  wrote:
> 
> Hello Margaret,
> 
> Thank you for sending the link. I will be checking into it. 
> Josephine 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jun 30, 2019, at 11:15 AM, Margaret Vicente  > wrote:
> 
>> Hello Josephine,
>> 
>> Naming practices and conventions varied in Portugal due to Historic and 
>> Religous influences in Portugal.  Perhaps some one will address your 
>> question, but you may also find the explanation in the attached link, which 
>> in my opinion, is not quite right but it does drive the idea home "A Guide 
>> to Naming Practices". 
>> 
>> https://www.fbiic.gov/public/2008/nov/Naming_practice_guide_UK_2006.pdf 
>>  
>> 
>>  m
>> 
>> On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 1:45 PM JOSEPHINE MIGUEL > > wrote:
>> Hello Cheri,
>> I thank you for your replies to my son, Don Miguel, with his question 
>> regarding paternal great-grandparents.  It shed valuable light and before 
>> now, unknown, information.  Going forward from Passport Registrations and 
>> Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii, Jacintho Miguel de Medeiros and wife 
>> Antonia Hermina do Rego immigrated to Hawaii in1882.  Through Ancestry.com 
>>  I found a City Directory (1822-1989) listing Jacintho 
>> Miguel at gen store Laniwai nr Cooke (I believe his employment).  All six of 
>> their children born in Hawaii, surname Miguel.
>> Jachinto (another misspelling) Miguel on California Passenger List arriving 
>> San Francisco 24 May 1910; son Manuel Miguel on same Passenger List.  Antoia 
>> Miguel De Medeiros on California Passenger List arriving San Francisco one 
>> week later, 31 May 1910.
>> Confused with surname Miguel because of "de Medeiros" and "do Rego".  Also, 
>> saw Antonia Rega listed, which I then thought was her maiden name.
>> Thanks, Josephine Miguel 
>> 
>> On Saturday, June 29, 2019, 10:36:47 PM PDT, Cheri Mello 
>> mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Josephine,
>> To do research, you need a name, a date, and a place. You have a date of 
>> 1882 and a place of Hawaii, yet no name. You need to state what you know 
>> about the immigrant ancestor, including all names that you have found. We 
>> are unable to help you otherwise.
>> Thanks, Cheri
>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2019, 10:32 PM jomig...@sbcglobal.net 
>>  > > wrote:
>> Their great-grandfather sailed from the Azores under a name different from 
>> the name used after immigrating to Hawaii in 1882. 
>> Any input or comments to help give a clearer understanding would be greatly 
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> -Josephine Miguel
>> 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question re:Portuguese surname traditions, going back to my children's great-grandfather.

[JOSEPHINE MIGUEL]

Hello Margaret,

Thank you for sending the link. I will be checking into it. 
Josephine 

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> On Jun 30, 2019, at 11:15 AM, Margaret Vicente  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello Josephine,
> 
> Naming practices and conventions varied in Portugal due to Historic and 
> Religous influences in Portugal.  Perhaps some one will address your 
> question, but you may also find the explanation in the attached link, which 
> in my opinion, is not quite right but it does drive the idea home "A Guide to 
> Naming Practices". 
> 
> https://www.fbiic.gov/public/2008/nov/Naming_practice_guide_UK_2006.pdf 
> 
>  m
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 1:45 PM JOSEPHINE MIGUEL  
>> wrote:
>> Hello Cheri,
>> I thank you for your replies to my son, Don Miguel, with his question 
>> regarding paternal great-grandparents.  It shed valuable light and before 
>> now, unknown, information.  Going forward from Passport Registrations and 
>> Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii, Jacintho Miguel de Medeiros and wife 
>> Antonia Hermina do Rego immigrated to Hawaii in1882.  Through Ancestry.com I 
>> found a City Directory (1822-1989) listing Jacintho Miguel at gen store 
>> Laniwai nr Cooke (I believe his employment).  All six of their children born 
>> in Hawaii, surname Miguel.
>> Jachinto (another misspelling) Miguel on California Passenger List arriving 
>> San Francisco 24 May 1910; son Manuel Miguel on same Passenger List.  Antoia 
>> Miguel De Medeiros on California Passenger List arriving San Francisco one 
>> week later, 31 May 1910.
>> Confused with surname Miguel because of "de Medeiros" and "do Rego".  Also, 
>> saw Antonia Rega listed, which I then thought was her maiden name.
>> Thanks, Josephine Miguel 
>> 
>> On Saturday, June 29, 2019, 10:36:47 PM PDT, Cheri Mello 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Josephine,
>> To do research, you need a name, a date, and a place. You have a date of 
>> 1882 and a place of Hawaii, yet no name. You need to state what you know 
>> about the immigrant ancestor, including all names that you have found. We 
>> are unable to help you otherwise.
>> Thanks, Cheri
>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2019, 10:32 PM jomig...@sbcglobal.net 
>>  wrote:
>> Their great-grandfather sailed from the Azores under a name different from 
>> the name used after immigrating to Hawaii in 1882. 
>> Any input or comments to help give a clearer understanding would be greatly 
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> -Josephine Miguel
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question re:Portuguese surname traditions, going back to my children's great-grandfather.

[Margaret Vicente]

Hello Josephine,

Naming practices and conventions varied in Portugal due to Historic and
Religous influences in Portugal.  Perhaps some one will address your
question, but you may also find the explanation in the attached link, which
in my opinion, is not quite right but it does drive the idea home "A Guide
to Naming Practices".

https://www.fbiic.gov/public/2008/nov/Naming_practice_guide_UK_2006.pdf

 m

On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 1:45 PM JOSEPHINE MIGUEL 
wrote:

> Hello Cheri,
> I thank you for your replies to my son, Don Miguel, with his question
> regarding paternal great-grandparents.  It shed valuable light and before
> now, unknown, information.  Going forward from Passport Registrations and
> Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii, Jacintho Miguel de Medeiros and wife
> Antonia Hermina do Rego immigrated to Hawaii in1882.  Through Ancestry.com
> I found a City Directory (1822-1989) listing Jacintho Miguel at gen store
> Laniwai nr Cooke (I believe his employment).  All six of their children
> born in Hawaii, surname Miguel.
> Jachinto (another misspelling) Miguel on California Passenger List
> arriving San Francisco 24 May 1910; son Manuel Miguel on same Passenger
> List.  Antoia Miguel De Medeiros on California Passenger List arriving San
> Francisco one week later, 31 May 1910.
> Confused with surname Miguel because of "de Medeiros" and "do Rego".
> Also, saw Antonia Rega listed, which I then thought was her maiden name.
> Thanks, Josephine Miguel
>
> On Saturday, June 29, 2019, 10:36:47 PM PDT, Cheri Mello <
> gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Josephine,
> To do research, you need a name, a date, and a place. You have a date of
> 1882 and a place of Hawaii, yet no name. You need to state what you know
> about the immigrant ancestor, including all names that you have found. We
> are unable to help you otherwise.
> Thanks, Cheri
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2019, 10:32 PM jomig...@sbcglobal.net <
> jomig...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Their great-grandfather sailed from the Azores under a name different from
> the name used after immigrating to Hawaii in 1882.
> Any input or comments to help give a clearer understanding would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> -Josephine Miguel
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question re:Portuguese surname traditions, going back to my children's great-grandfather.

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Josephine,

I think I have a private email from you to answer as well. You emailed me
when I was at the Portuguese Genealogical Conference and Research Trip in
Salt Lake City. I'm home now and playing catch up in the online world as
well as my own world! LOL

You'll eventually get used to this changing of surnames at a whim type
thing.

Looks like your Jacintho Miguel de Medeiros and wife Antonia Hermina do
Rego was probably Jacintho Miguel de Medeiros over there and may have been
just Jacintho Miguel, but due to other Jacintho Miguels, tacked on Medeiros
to differentiate himself. More research will be needed. You'll also likely
find the Medeiros somewhere back in his tree. Jacintho is the old spelling
for what is now spelled Jacinto. I'm inclined to say that "Jachinto" was a
typo or someone transposing letters.

Antonia Hermina (and it may be Ermina, too), was most likely her name.
Women didn't have surnames in that time period, but she somehow knew to
state her family name of Rego so you are lucky! Because she was female, you
do see them matching the surname to her gender in that time period, hence,
the Rega.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 10:45 AM JOSEPHINE MIGUEL 
wrote:

> Hello Cheri,
> I thank you for your replies to my son, Don Miguel, with his question
> regarding paternal great-grandparents.  It shed valuable light and before
> now, unknown, information.  Going forward from Passport Registrations and
> Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii, Jacintho Miguel de Medeiros and wife
> Antonia Hermina do Rego immigrated to Hawaii in1882.  Through Ancestry.com
> I found a City Directory (1822-1989) listing Jacintho Miguel at gen store
> Laniwai nr Cooke (I believe his employment).  All six of their children
> born in Hawaii, surname Miguel.
> Jachinto (another misspelling) Miguel on California Passenger List
> arriving San Francisco 24 May 1910; son Manuel Miguel on same Passenger
> List.  Antoia Miguel De Medeiros on California Passenger List arriving San
> Francisco one week later, 31 May 1910.
> Confused with surname Miguel because of "de Medeiros" and "do Rego".
> Also, saw Antonia Rega listed, which I then thought was her maiden name.
> Thanks, Josephine Miguel
>
> On Saturday, June 29, 2019, 10:36:47 PM PDT, Cheri Mello <
> gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Josephine,
> To do research, you need a name, a date, and a place. You have a date of
> 1882 and a place of Hawaii, yet no name. You need to state what you know
> about the immigrant ancestor, including all names that you have found. We
> are unable to help you otherwise.
> Thanks, Cheri
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2019, 10:32 PM jomig...@sbcglobal.net <
> jomig...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Their great-grandfather sailed from the Azores under a name different from
> the name used after immigrating to Hawaii in 1882.
> Any input or comments to help give a clearer understanding would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> -Josephine Miguel
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question re:Portuguese surname traditions, going back to my children's great-grandfather.

[JOSEPHINE MIGUEL]

 Hello Cheri,I thank you for your replies to my son, Don Miguel, with his 
question regarding paternal great-grandparents.  It shed valuable light and 
before now, unknown, information.  Going forward from Passport Registrations 
and Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii, Jacintho Miguel de Medeiros and wife 
Antonia Hermina do Rego immigrated to Hawaii in1882.  Through Ancestry.com I 
found a City Directory (1822-1989) listing Jacintho Miguel at gen store Laniwai 
nr Cooke (I believe his employment).  All six of their children born in Hawaii, 
surname Miguel.Jachinto (another misspelling) Miguel on California Passenger 
List arriving San Francisco 24 May 1910; son Manuel Miguel on same Passenger 
List.  Antoia Miguel De Medeiros on California Passenger List arriving San 
Francisco one week later, 31 May 1910.Confused with surname Miguel because of 
"de Medeiros" and "do Rego".  Also, saw Antonia Rega listed, which I then 
thought was her maiden name.Thanks, Josephine Miguel 
On Saturday, June 29, 2019, 10:36:47 PM PDT, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi Josephine,To do research, you need a name, a date, and a place. You have a 
date of 1882 and a place of Hawaii, yet no name. You need to state what you 
know about the immigrant ancestor, including all names that you have found. We 
are unable to help you otherwise.Thanks, Cheri
On Sat, Jun 29, 2019, 10:32 PM jomig...@sbcglobal.net  
wrote:

Their great-grandfather sailed from the Azores under a name different from the 
name used after immigrating to Hawaii in 1882. Any input or comments to help 
give a clearer understanding would be greatly appreciated.
-Josephine Miguel




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question re:Portuguese surname traditions, going back to my children's great-grandfather.

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Josephine,
To do research, you need a name, a date, and a place. You have a date of
1882 and a place of Hawaii, yet no name. You need to state what you know
about the immigrant ancestor, including all names that you have found. We
are unable to help you otherwise.
Thanks, Cheri
On Sat, Jun 29, 2019, 10:32 PM jomig...@sbcglobal.net <
jomig...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Their great-grandfather sailed from the Azores under a name different from
> the name used after immigrating to Hawaii in 1882.
> Any input or comments to help give a clearer understanding would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> -Josephine Miguel
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question

[Margaret Vicente]

Liz et al,

FYI, genealogy software has evolved and are now GPS oriented.  They contain 
mapping and its own Cemetery mapping.  For this reason, locations should be 
keyed in correctly.

Family Heritage software, for example, deletes addresses it does not recognize. 
 I was using short form P. Delgada, S. Miguel, Azores when I began researching 
and find that any/all address such as this one, the software deleted it, 
leaving it blank when I uploaded the gedcom file.  Also obvious, it does not 
recognize Azores as a Country but as a “Region” of Portugal.

So now I’ve learned to include complete addresses: Civil Parish, Council, 
Region, Country.  In this case the correct process would be Sao Joao, Lajes, 
Pico “Island”, Azores, Portugal.

I also go a step further and define the region as Island for the Azores 
islands.  Again to identify it from other same name Regions of Portugal.  
Best,
margaret

From: Liz Migliori
Sent: June 25, 2019 11:39 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question

Ok Thanks.  I did just have Sao Joao, Pico, Azores.  But some new stuff started 
popping up that had Lajes in there so I thought I was doing something wrong
I’m sticking with my way
Thanks Cheri

Liz

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Hi Liz, A few people do the district. Most do not, as it becomes confusing 
really quickly. I would do Sao Joao (or São João if you prefer) which is the 
freguesia (village), Pico (the island), Azores. You can add in Portugal if you 
like. I figure anyone looking at my research 50 years from now would know they 
are looking at my Portuguese branches. Cheri
On Tue, Jun 25, 2019, 8:11 AM Liz Migliori  wrote:
If someone is born in Sao Joao, Pico

Should it be written in a tree as
Sao Joao, Lajes Do Pico,

Is Sao Joao a town in the district or a small village in the bigger town of 
Lajes?

Liz

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question

[Liz Migliori]

Ok Thanks.  I did just have Sao Joao, Pico, Azores.  But some new stuff started 
popping up that had Lajes in there so I thought I was doing something wrong
I’m sticking with my way
Thanks Cheri

Liz

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 25, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Hi Liz, A few people do the district. Most do not, as it becomes confusing 
> really quickly. I would do Sao Joao (or São João if you prefer) which is the 
> freguesia (village), Pico (the island), Azores. You can add in Portugal if 
> you like. I figure anyone looking at my research 50 years from now would know 
> they are looking at my Portuguese branches. Cheri
>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019, 8:11 AM Liz Migliori  wrote:
>> If someone is born in Sao Joao, Pico
>> 
>> Should it be written in a tree as
>> Sao Joao, Lajes Do Pico,
>> 
>> Is Sao Joao a town in the district or a small village in the bigger town of 
>> Lajes?
>> 
>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Liz, A few people do the district. Most do not, as it becomes confusing
really quickly. I would do Sao Joao (or São João if you prefer) which is
the freguesia (village), Pico (the island), Azores. You can add in Portugal
if you like. I figure anyone looking at my research 50 years from now would
know they are looking at my Portuguese branches. Cheri
On Tue, Jun 25, 2019, 8:11 AM Liz Migliori  wrote:

> If someone is born in Sao Joao, Pico
>
> Should it be written in a tree as
> Sao Joao, Lajes Do Pico,
>
> Is Sao Joao a town in the district or a small village in the bigger town
> of Lajes?
>
> Liz
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Azores Passport Records.

[Cheri Mello]

Justin B,

Don't bother to requote the original message, it's already there. It takes
a lot of scrolling to find your response, especially after a few other
people start to chime in.

You'll need to trace the people who have more paper trail. So that's Maria
Julia's husband, Julio Jacinto Borges. Look for his paper trail. But if the
naturalization is 1897, those records aren't as good. Generally they say
the petitioner renounces the King of Portugal and is hereby declared a
citizen. The later naturalizations ask a lot more background questions.

If they married at St. John the Baptist church in New Bedford, the church
*might* have the freguesia recorded in the original book. It depends on the
time period. St. John's closed and the records are at Mt. Carmel in New
Bedford. They'll do a look up (especially when you make a donation to the
church), but we are getting near advent and the church secretary is
probably getting really busy!

If your grandmother is 90, get her DNA now, even though you may not know
anything about it. Your grandmother has 50% of her parents DNA and 25% of
her grands, which is your 2 greats! It's on sale now for $49 USD (+$12.95
S - includes return postage for the kit if you are a U.S. resident):
https://goo.gl/dtAs4j  The sale ends Thursday. We may be able to figure out
some general matching from other's research areas.

If your grandmother can't remember, try running the councils by her: Ponta
Delgada, Ribeira Grande (he-BAY-ra grahnd), Nordeste (nor-DAYSHT), Povoacao
(pooh-VAH-sow - sow is like saying "sound" but without the "nd"), Vila
Franca (vee-lah frahn-kah), and Lagoa.That's the best I can do (and I'm not
a native speaker, so someone will correct my vowels). If we can get you
into a general location, then we can try running the freguesias by her.
Once you say it, she may say "That's it."

Is your grandmother the daughter of 3 year old Julio Borges on that ship's
manifest? Do you have Julio's death certificate? What does it say about his
parents' birth locations? Just Sao Miguel? Was anyone else born over there?
Maria Julia's mother, who died in 1904...what was her name? There's an
archive catalog that *might* have the inventory of her estate (unless she
was survived by her husband. Then that idea won't work).
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 10:58 AM Justin Brown  wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 1:41:34 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
> > I checked the American end...it says your Maria Julia and her son, Julio
> were in America in 1904 (in New Bedford) and both are U.S. citizens. You
> may want to check 1904. Looking at the council and freguesia column, you'd
> see just America written in that column.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheri Mello
> > Listowner, Azores-Gen
> > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 9:40 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Justin B,
> >
> >
> > Yes, they all had to register. The problem is, we don't know WHEN. So
> you start looking at 18 June 1905 and work your way back in time on the
> passaportes.
> >
> >
> > If you know the freguesia (village), it's easier to go down that column
> looking for the council and freguesia than it is to look and every single
> Maria.
> >
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheri Mello
> > Listowner, Azores-Gen
> > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 9:38 AM Justin Brown  wrote:
> > Was it mandatory for all people leaving the islands to "get a passport"
> or be recorded. Even if it wasn't their first time departing the island. I
> ask because I have the immigration records for here in the US, but can't
> seem to find the corresponding record in the Azores passport records, as I
> have in the past.
> >
> > The person in question is Maria Julia Borges (Maiden name Desouza or
> Souza though not in the record) age 32-34 who is traveling with son Julio
> >
> > Age 3-5. On the US Immigration record it says they left from São Miguel,
> June 18th 1905 and arrived in the port of New Bedford, July 1st, 1905.
> >
> >
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> I know that she was born in São Miguel in 1870 but I think she became was
> naturalized around 1897 well at least her husband was. She seems to travel
> back to São Miguel after her mother dies in 1904. My hope was that I could
> find where she was from in the Passport records because my vavô who is
> nearly 90 can't remember where on São Miguel his family 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Azores Passport Records.

[Justin Brown]

On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 1:41:34 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
> I checked the American end...it says your Maria Julia and her son, Julio were 
> in America in 1904 (in New Bedford) and both are U.S. citizens. You may want 
> to check 1904. Looking at the council and freguesia column, you'd see just 
> America written in that column.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 9:40 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Justin B,
> 
> 
> Yes, they all had to register. The problem is, we don't know WHEN. So you 
> start looking at 18 June 1905 and work your way back in time on the 
> passaportes.
> 
> 
> If you know the freguesia (village), it's easier to go down that column 
> looking for the council and freguesia than it is to look and every single 
> Maria.
> 
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 9:38 AM Justin Brown  wrote:
> Was it mandatory for all people leaving the islands to "get a passport" or be 
> recorded. Even if it wasn't their first time departing the island. I ask 
> because I have the immigration records for here in the US, but can't seem to 
> find the corresponding record in the Azores passport records, as I have in 
> the past.
> 
> The person in question is Maria Julia Borges (Maiden name Desouza or Souza 
> though not in the record) age 32-34 who is traveling with son Julio
> 
> Age 3-5. On the US Immigration record it says they left from São Miguel, June 
> 18th 1905 and arrived in the port of New Bedford, July 1st, 1905.
> 
> 
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I know that she was born in São Miguel in 1870 but I think she became was 
naturalized around 1897 well at least her husband was. She seems to travel back 
to São Miguel after her mother dies in 1904. My hope was that I could find 
where she was from in the Passport records because my vavô who is nearly 90 
can't remember where on São Miguel his family is from. Another question. Are 
the passport records just for outgoing people or did they record incoming 
people as well. Again thank you for the help.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Azores Passport Records.

[Cheri Mello]

I checked the American end...it says your Maria Julia and her son, Julio
were in America in 1904 (in New Bedford) and both are U.S. citizens. You
may want to check 1904. Looking at the council and freguesia column, you'd
see just America written in that column.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 9:40 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Hi Justin B,
>
> Yes, they all had to register. The problem is, we don't know WHEN. So you
> start looking at 18 June 1905 and work your way back in time on the
> passaportes.
>
> If you know the freguesia (village), it's easier to go down that column
> looking for the council and freguesia than it is to look and every single
> Maria.
>
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 9:38 AM Justin Brown 
> wrote:
>
>> Was it mandatory for all people leaving the islands to "get a passport"
>> or be recorded. Even if it wasn't their first time departing the island. I
>> ask because I have the immigration records for here in the US, but can't
>> seem to find the corresponding record in the Azores passport records, as I
>> have in the past.
>> The person in question is Maria Julia Borges (Maiden name Desouza or
>> Souza though not in the record) age 32-34 who is traveling with son Julio
>> Age 3-5. On the US Immigration record it says they left from São Miguel,
>> June 18th 1905 and arrived in the port of New Bedford, July 1st, 1905.
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Azores passport records.

[Cheri Mello]

Yes. I have ancestors who registered and it said it was their 2nd or 3rd
time.

You have to start looking on June 18, 1905 and work backwards in time. You
don't know if she registered 2 weeks before departure or a year before
departure. If you know her freguesia (village), you could look down the
council & freguesia column looking for that. It's much easier than looking
at every Maria!
Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 10:14 AM Justin Brown  wrote:

> Was it a requirement for all people departing the islands to "get a
> passport" as in be recorded even if it wasn't their first time leaving. I
> ask because I'm looking through the records and can't seem to find the
> corresponding records to the US immigration records. The immigration
> records for here in the US say Maria Julia Borges(maiden name Desouza or
> Souza, though not in the record) departed from São Miguel on June 18th 1905
> with son Julio and arrived in New Bedford, Ma on July 1st 1905. But I can't
> seem to find her name in the Passport records on São Miguel for that time.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Azores Passport Records.

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Justin B,

Yes, they all had to register. The problem is, we don't know WHEN. So you
start looking at 18 June 1905 and work your way back in time on the
passaportes.

If you know the freguesia (village), it's easier to go down that column
looking for the council and freguesia than it is to look and every single
Maria.

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 9:38 AM Justin Brown  wrote:

> Was it mandatory for all people leaving the islands to "get a passport" or
> be recorded. Even if it wasn't their first time departing the island. I ask
> because I have the immigration records for here in the US, but can't seem
> to find the corresponding record in the Azores passport records, as I have
> in the past.
> The person in question is Maria Julia Borges (Maiden name Desouza or Souza
> though not in the record) age 32-34 who is traveling with son Julio
> Age 3-5. On the US Immigration record it says they left from São Miguel,
> June 18th 1905 and arrived in the port of New Bedford, July 1st, 1905.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question

[Cheri Mello]

It's no big deal. But FTDNA isn't going to be able to tell you that I was
the one the made the connection with person A and then applied it to person
B. Customer service doesn't understand the endogamy either, but if you want
to go a couple of rounds with them, go right ahead.  Cheri

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Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 7:23 PM, Liz Migliori  wrote:

> Cheri
> I'll call them tomorrow
> Please put your feet up when you get home.
> My thing is not that important. It was just a question
> I really do appreciate your offer
>
> Luz
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 17, 2018, at 5:14 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Liz, since this a personal question on one of your kits, and no one except
> you and FTDNA staff and admins can see it, you should either email one of
> the admins (with the kit number and name) or contact FTDNA. I will be home
> after 7 pm PDT and can help you then.
>
> Note 1: If I figure out a match that connects to you or one of your kits,
> then I go into your kit and connect it from your end too.
>
> Note 2: The current FTDNA trees can't handle endogamy.
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> I just went into a Family Finder profile that I'm responsible for and
>> noticed that the little blue man (paternal) was now highlighted.  No red
>> for maternal just Blue for paternal.
>> Nor Purple for both
>>
>> Now this person and I are 1 st cousin once removed.
>> So for her we are related on her father's side.
>> For me we are related on my mother's side so *shouldn't it show the red
>> maternal lady next to me.*
>>
>> Her father and my mother's father were brothers.
>>
>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question

[Liz Migliori]

Cheri
I'll call them tomorrow 
Please put your feet up when you get home. 
My thing is not that important. It was just a question
I really do appreciate your offer

Luz

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 17, 2018, at 5:14 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Liz, since this a personal question on one of your kits, and no one except 
> you and FTDNA staff and admins can see it, you should either email one of the 
> admins (with the kit number and name) or contact FTDNA. I will be home after 
> 7 pm PDT and can help you then.
> 
> Note 1: If I figure out a match that connects to you or one of your kits, 
> then I go into your kit and connect it from your end too.
> 
> Note 2: The current FTDNA trees can't handle endogamy.
> Cheri
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Elizabeth Migliori  
>> wrote:
>> Hi 
>> I just went into a Family Finder profile that I'm responsible for and 
>> noticed that the little blue man (paternal) was now highlighted.  No red for 
>> maternal just Blue for paternal.
>> Nor Purple for both 
>> 
>> Now this person and I are 1 st cousin once removed. 
>> So for her we are related on her father's side.
>> For me we are related on my mother's side so shouldn't it show the red 
>> maternal lady next to me.
>> 
>> Her father and my mother's father were brothers.
>> 
>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question

[Liz Migliori]

Liz
Not Luz
Lol

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 17, 2018, at 5:14 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Liz, since this a personal question on one of your kits, and no one except 
> you and FTDNA staff and admins can see it, you should either email one of the 
> admins (with the kit number and name) or contact FTDNA. I will be home after 
> 7 pm PDT and can help you then.
> 
> Note 1: If I figure out a match that connects to you or one of your kits, 
> then I go into your kit and connect it from your end too.
> 
> Note 2: The current FTDNA trees can't handle endogamy.
> Cheri
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Elizabeth Migliori  
>> wrote:
>> Hi 
>> I just went into a Family Finder profile that I'm responsible for and 
>> noticed that the little blue man (paternal) was now highlighted.  No red for 
>> maternal just Blue for paternal.
>> Nor Purple for both 
>> 
>> Now this person and I are 1 st cousin once removed. 
>> So for her we are related on her father's side.
>> For me we are related on my mother's side so shouldn't it show the red 
>> maternal lady next to me.
>> 
>> Her father and my mother's father were brothers.
>> 
>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question

[Cheri Mello]

Liz, since this a personal question on one of your kits, and no one except
you and FTDNA staff and admins can see it, you should either email one of
the admins (with the kit number and name) or contact FTDNA. I will be home
after 7 pm PDT and can help you then.

Note 1: If I figure out a match that connects to you or one of your kits,
then I go into your kit and connect it from your end too.

Note 2: The current FTDNA trees can't handle endogamy.
Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
wrote:

> Hi
> I just went into a Family Finder profile that I'm responsible for and
> noticed that the little blue man (paternal) was now highlighted.  No red
> for maternal just Blue for paternal.
> Nor Purple for both
>
> Now this person and I are 1 st cousin once removed.
> So for her we are related on her father's side.
> For me we are related on my mother's side so *shouldn't it show the red
> maternal lady next to me.*
>
> Her father and my mother's father were brothers.
>
> Liz
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] question

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I am confused as well. I need more information.

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 5:32 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] question

 

Liz, I don't understand your question or abbreviations. Can you write things 
out without the abbreviations? CE is Common Era, the modern acronym for what we 
learned as A.D. (Anno Domini). DNA is measured in centoMorgans (cMs), not 
centograms. That's a different kind of measurement. If you can explain more, I 
can help when I get home tonight, unless Rick gets to it first.  Cheri




Cheri Mello
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On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Elizabeth Migliori <lizmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello

I just checked my cousin's family finder and noticed that another cousin is 
listed on there 2ce.

once for half sibling/ grandparent/aunt or uncle etc 1613 centograms

second time for 2nd to 4th cousin 106 centograms.

Is this just a mistake or what's up with this???

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] question

[Cheri Mello]

Liz, I don't understand your question or abbreviations. Can you write
things out without the abbreviations? CE is Common Era, the modern acronym
for what we learned as A.D. (Anno Domini). DNA is measured in centoMorgans
(cMs), not centograms. That's a different kind of measurement. If you can
explain more, I can help when I get home tonight, unless Rick gets to it
first.  Cheri

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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Elizabeth Migliori 
wrote:

> Hello
>
> I just checked my cousin's family finder and noticed that another cousin
> is listed on there 2ce.
> once for half sibling/ grandparent/aunt or uncle etc 1613 centograms
> second time for 2nd to 4th cousin 106 centograms.
>
> Is this just a mistake or what's up with this???
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Good luck!


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On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 4:38 PM, Liz Migliori  wrote:

> Thanks Rosemarie. Great advice
> I just need to go to the local library it's free!!!
> New area so gotta find new place!!
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Feb 21, 2018, at 12:20 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
> No, the info is different. At the DAR Seminar there was a talk about the
> different companies and how they each took an area to digitize:
> Ancestry--immigration & naturalization, My Heritage, USA marriages, Find My
> Past something else and Family Search something else. So, you need to check
> all of them. Go to your local FHC and use the sites for free first and see
> what they have for you.
>
> Rosemarie
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> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 10:28 AM, Liz Migliori  wrote:
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>> My Heritage is offering a special half price for a year
>> Q: would that be just like Ancestry.  Same online info
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question

[Liz Migliori]

Thanks Rosemarie. Great advice
I just need to go to the local library it's free!!!
New area so gotta find new place!!


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> On Feb 21, 2018, at 12:20 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> No, the info is different. At the DAR Seminar there was a talk about the 
> different companies and how they each took an area to digitize: 
> Ancestry--immigration & naturalization, My Heritage, USA marriages, Find My 
> Past something else and Family Search something else. So, you need to check 
> all of them. Go to your local FHC and use the sites for free first and see 
> what they have for you. 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 10:28 AM, Liz Migliori  wrote:
>> My Heritage is offering a special half price for a year
>> Q: would that be just like Ancestry.  Same online info
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

No, the info is different. At the DAR Seminar there was a talk about the
different companies and how they each took an area to digitize:
Ancestry--immigration & naturalization, My Heritage, USA marriages, Find My
Past something else and Family Search something else. So, you need to check
all of them. Go to your local FHC and use the sites for free first and see
what they have for you.

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 10:28 AM, Liz Migliori  wrote:

> My Heritage is offering a special half price for a year
> Q: would that be just like Ancestry.  Same online info
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Records for Sao Miguel

[Margaret Vicente]

Bob, there is the Calheta de Pero de Teive or Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada if 
this the one the records start in 1570 for baptisms and marriages in 1617.  

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> On Aug 13, 2017, at 6:56 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <eliseuman...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
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> The first name of Calhetas was Calhetas de Rabo de Peixe. It means the 
> Calhetas area belonged to Bom Jesus, Rabo de Peixe jurisdiction… problably, 
> if records exist should be in Rabo de Peixe. Then they were part of Pico da 
> Pedra too. Only around 1920s they became a full Freguesia…
> eliseu
>  
> De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Cheri 
> Mello
> Enviada: domingo, 13 de agosto de 2017 04:48
> Para: Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
> Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Records for Sao Miguel
>  
> There's a CalhetaS in the council of Ribeira Grande on Sao Miguel. Those 
> records start in the 1830s. Prior records are probably in one of the 
> neighboring freguesias, but I'm not sure which one. Maybe Rabo de Peixe.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>  
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 9:12 PM, bobcamscpw via Azores Genealogy 
> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> hello everyone.  I am checking to see if there is records some where else the 
> Island of Sao Miguel, village of Calheta before the 1600's'  I just found out 
> that my Camacho line came from the Island of Sao Miguel they emigrated to 
> Madeira around the earlier 1600's.  So I am looking for records before that 
> time period.  Any help or ideas would be helpful.
>  
> Bob Camacho
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Records for Sao Miguel

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

The first name of Calhetas was Calhetas de Rabo de Peixe. It means the Calhetas 
area belonged to Bom Jesus, Rabo de Peixe jurisdiction… problably, if records 
exist should be in Rabo de Peixe. Then they were part of Pico da Pedra too. 
Only around 1920s they became a full Freguesia…

eliseu

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Cheri 
Mello
Enviada: domingo, 13 de agosto de 2017 04:48
Para: Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Records for Sao Miguel

 

There's a CalhetaS in the council of Ribeira Grande on Sao Miguel. Those 
records start in the 1830s. Prior records are probably in one of the 
neighboring freguesias, but I'm not sure which one. Maybe Rabo de Peixe.




Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 9:12 PM, bobcamscpw via Azores Genealogy 
<azores@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

hello everyone.  I am checking to see if there is records some where else the 
Island of Sao Miguel, village of Calheta before the 1600's'  I just found out 
that my Camacho line came from the Island of Sao Miguel they emigrated to 
Madeira around the earlier 1600's.  So I am looking for records before that 
time period.  Any help or ideas would be helpful.

 

Bob Camacho

 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Records for Sao Miguel

[Cheri Mello]

There's a CalhetaS in the council of Ribeira Grande on Sao Miguel. Those
records start in the 1830s. Prior records are probably in one of the
neighboring freguesias, but I'm not sure which one. Maybe Rabo de Peixe.

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 9:12 PM, bobcamscpw via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> hello everyone.  I am checking to see if there is records some where else
> the Island of Sao Miguel, village of Calheta before the 1600's'  I just
> found out that my Camacho line came from the Island of Sao Miguel
> they emigrated to Madeira around the earlier 1600's.  So I am looking for
> records before that time period.  Any help or ideas would be helpful.
>
> Bob Camacho
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Very interesting article.  Thanks for the link.

Sam (Camas, WA)

From: E Sharp
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 7:33 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization

Here is a great site that explains it all.

https://www.archives.gov/files/publications/prologue/2014/spring/citizenship.pdf

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Sorry I didn't answer yesterday Liz Didn't get to my email! Yes, that's 
exactly what I meant! 

Thank you E for the great article which explains this so well! 

Susan 

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> On Jun 14, 2017, at 12:24 PM, Liz Migliori  wrote:
> 
> Wait, who got around to it in the 60's
> Do you mean that your mother was born here
> Married gfather in 1916.   Then he got his citizenship but she did not 
> automatically become citizen again???
> 
> 
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>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 10:53 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The same thing happened to my grandma who married her dear "greenhorn" (she 
>> told me people called him that) in 1916. Her got his citizenship in the 20's 
>> but she remained an alien for decades Don't have it here but I think she 
>> finally got around to it in the 1960s. 
>> 
>> Susan 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Liz Migliori  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thx for this info Cheri.  Confirms for me. Whenever I tell relatives that 
>>> my gram lost her citizenship they don't believe me.   She used to get so 
>>> mad if anyone called her a greenhorn.  She made grandpa get his 
>>> citizenship.   
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 14, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
 
 Before 1920, women didn't naturalize on their own. No women's rights. If 
 the husband naturalized, then she was considered naturalized. If a woman 
 (being a U.S. Citizen) married an alien, she lost her American citizenship 
 too (before 1920 and women's rights).
 
 1926 - maybe it's her, maybe it's not. Women could use her maiden name or 
 her husband's name. In my research, I've seen women use their husband's 
 name in America. Get her death and see if she was a citizen. Look at the 
 censuses and see if she was a citizen. 
 
 Cheri Mello
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 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
 Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:32 AM, George Medeiros 
>  wrote:
> When a married woman became a citizen of the U.S. from the azores
> from 1900- 1950 does the naturalization record use their own surname or 
> their husband's ? Does anyone know ?  I found a naturalization record 
> from 1926 of a woman with my grandmother's name which looks like her 
> handwriting but has her family name not her husband's surname.
> I do not know if she ever became a citizen but this record might be her. 
> George
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization

[Cheri Mello]

See Elaine's link.

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On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Liz Migliori  wrote:

> OMG.   How would I find out where would I look
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jun 14, 2017, at 7:33 PM, E Sharp  wrote:
>
> Here is a great site that explains it all.
>
> https://www.archives.gov/files/publications/prologue/
> 2014/spring/citizenship.pdf
>
> "E"
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization

[Liz Migliori]

OMG.   How would I find out where would I look

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> Here is a great site that explains it all.
> 
> https://www.archives.gov/files/publications/prologue/2014/spring/citizenship.pdf
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization

[Cheri Mello]

Pa means Papers were filed to become a citizen. He's not one yet. Na is
Naturalized and he would be a citizen.

Yes, he naturalized after 1920. His wife is her own person, no longer
property of her man and she would have had to apply to be a citizen again.
Others provided links regarding it.  Cheri

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On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:23 PM, Liz Migliori <lizmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mary A Sylvia. Newport R I Nov 1892
>
> Jose Silveira Santa  Cedros, Fayal  Dec 1889
>
> Became citizen around 192???
> In 1930 census was citizen
> ( now that I've blown this up I see it says Pa for citizenship. Is this
> really a place?  I've not been able to find his paperwork or date before
>
> Married July 1914  Newport R I
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jun 14, 2017, at 7:00 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You need to put dates. I can't follow.
> 1) Name, birthdate, and birth place of female ancestor.
> 2) Name, birthdate, and birth place of the spouse.
>
> 3) Date & place they married.
> 4) Did he naturalize? If so, what date?
>
> Cheri Mello
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> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Liz Migliori <lizmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So now I'm wondering.
>> I don't recall my grandmother ever applying to become a citizen again.
>> She was born in Newport RI
>> Was she supposed to apply to become one after she married my grandfather
>> and he became a citizen
>>
>> Liz
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
>> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> *My grandmother was born in Fall River, MA because my grandfather was an
>> alien she applied for citizen ship in 1939. She received a Certificate of
>> Citizenship  where as my grandfather when he became a citizen in 1944 he
>> received a Naturalization Certificate. Attached Also my grandmother’s
>> certificate came from the Department of Labor where my grandfather’s came
>> from the Department of Justice.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com
>> <azores@googlegroups.com>] *On Behalf Of *Liz Migliori
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 14, 2017 3:24 PM
>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization
>>
>>
>>
>> Wait, who got around to it in the 60's
>>
>> Do you mean that your mother was born here
>>
>> Married gfather in 1916.   Then he got his citizenship but she did not
>> automatically become citizen again???
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 10:53 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> The same thing happened to my grandma who married her dear "greenhorn"
>> (she told me people called him that) in 1916. Her got his citizenship in
>> the 20's but she remained an alien for decades Don't have it here but I
>> think she finally got around to it in the 1960s.
>>
>>
>>
>> Susan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Liz Migliori <lizmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thx for this info Cheri.  Confirms for me. Whenever I tell relatives that
>> my gram lost her citizenship they don't believe me.   She used to get so
>> mad if anyone called her a greenhorn.  She made grandpa get his
>> citizenship.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Before 1920, women didn't naturalize on their own. No women's rights. If
>> the husband naturalized, then she was considered naturalized. If a woman
>> (being a U.S. Citizen) married an alien, she lost her American citizenship
>> too (before 1920 and women's rights).
>>
>> 1926 - maybe it's her, maybe it's not. Women could use her maiden name or
>> her husband's name. In my research, I've seen women use their husband's
>> name in America. Get her death and see if she was a citizen. Look at the
>> censuses and see if she was a citizen.
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization

[Liz Migliori]

Mary A Sylvia. Newport R I Nov 1892

Jose Silveira Santa  Cedros, Fayal  Dec 1889

Became citizen around 192???
In 1930 census was citizen
( now that I've blown this up I see it says Pa for citizenship. Is this really 
a place?  I've not been able to find his paperwork or date before 

Married July 1914  Newport R I




Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2017, at 7:00 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You need to put dates. I can't follow. 
> 1) Name, birthdate, and birth place of female ancestor.
> 2) Name, birthdate, and birth place of the spouse.
> 
> 3) Date & place they married.
> 4) Did he naturalize? If so, what date?
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Liz Migliori <lizmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> So now I'm wondering.   
>> I don't recall my grandmother ever applying to become a citizen again.   
>> She was born in Newport RI
>> Was she supposed to apply to become one after she married my grandfather and 
>> he became a citizen 
>> 
>> Liz
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>>> <rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My grandmother was born in Fall River, MA because my grandfather was an 
>>> alien she applied for citizen ship in 1939. She received a Certificate of 
>>> Citizenship  where as my grandfather when he became a citizen in 1944 he 
>>> received a Naturalization Certificate. Attached Also my grandmother’s 
>>> certificate came from the Department of Labor where my grandfather’s came 
>>> from the Department of Justice.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> Liz Migliori
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 3:24 PM
>>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Wait, who got around to it in the 60's
>>> 
>>> Do you mean that your mother was born here
>>> 
>>> Married gfather in 1916.   Then he got his citizenship but she did not 
>>> automatically become citizen again???
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 10:53 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The same thing happened to my grandma who married her dear "greenhorn" (she 
>>> told me people called him that) in 1916. Her got his citizenship in the 
>>> 20's but she remained an alien for decades Don't have it here but I 
>>> think she finally got around to it in the 1960s. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Susan 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Liz Migliori <lizmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thx for this info Cheri.  Confirms for me. Whenever I tell relatives that 
>>> my gram lost her citizenship they don't believe me.   She used to get so 
>>> mad if anyone called her a greenhorn.  She made grandpa get his 
>>> citizenship.   
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Before 1920, women didn't naturalize on their own. No women's rights. If 
>>> the husband naturalized, then she was considered naturalized. If a woman 
>>> (being a U.S. Citizen) married an alien, she lost her American citizenship 
>>> too (before 1920 and women's rights).
>>> 
>>> 1926 - maybe it's her, maybe it's not. Women could use her maiden name or 
>>> her husband's name. In my research, I've seen women use their husband's 
>>> name in America. Get her death and see if she was a citizen. Look at the 
>>> censuses and see if she was a citizen.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:32 AM, George Medeiros <migueldeav...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> When a married woman became a citizen of the U.S. from the

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization

["E" Sharp]

Here is a great site that explains it all.

https://www.archives.gov/files/publications/prologue/2014/spring/citizenship.pdf

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Yes she would have had to reapply.
it  was called the Reparation Act.

Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Liz Migliori <lizmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So now I'm wondering.
> I don't recall my grandmother ever applying to become a citizen again.
> She was born in Newport RI
> Was she supposed to apply to become one after she married my grandfather
> and he became a citizen
>
> Liz
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> *My grandmother was born in Fall River, MA because my grandfather was an
> alien she applied for citizen ship in 1939. She received a Certificate of
> Citizenship  where as my grandfather when he became a citizen in 1944 he
> received a Naturalization Certificate. Attached Also my grandmother’s
> certificate came from the Department of Labor where my grandfather’s came
> from the Department of Justice.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com
> <azores@googlegroups.com>] *On Behalf Of *Liz Migliori
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 14, 2017 3:24 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization
>
>
>
> Wait, who got around to it in the 60's
>
> Do you mean that your mother was born here
>
> Married gfather in 1916.   Then he got his citizenship but she did not
> automatically become citizen again???
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 10:53 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> The same thing happened to my grandma who married her dear "greenhorn"
> (she told me people called him that) in 1916. Her got his citizenship in
> the 20's but she remained an alien for decades Don't have it here but I
> think she finally got around to it in the 1960s.
>
>
>
> Susan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Liz Migliori <lizmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thx for this info Cheri.  Confirms for me. Whenever I tell relatives that
> my gram lost her citizenship they don't believe me.   She used to get so
> mad if anyone called her a greenhorn.  She made grandpa get his
> citizenship.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Before 1920, women didn't naturalize on their own. No women's rights. If
> the husband naturalized, then she was considered naturalized. If a woman
> (being a U.S. Citizen) married an alien, she lost her American citizenship
> too (before 1920 and women's rights).
>
> 1926 - maybe it's her, maybe it's not. Women could use her maiden name or
> her husband's name. In my research, I've seen women use their husband's
> name in America. Get her death and see if she was a citizen. Look at the
> censuses and see if she was a citizen.
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:32 AM, George Medeiros <migueldeav...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> When a married woman became a citizen of the U.S. from the azores
> from 1900- 1950 does the naturalization record use their own surname or
> their husband's ? Does anyone know ?  I found a naturalization record from
> 1926 of a woman with my grandmother's name which looks like her handwriting
> but has her family name not her husband's surname.
> I do not know if she ever became a citizen but this record might be her.
> George
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization

[Cheri Mello]

You need to put dates. I can't follow.
1) Name, birthdate, and birth place of female ancestor.
2) Name, birthdate, and birth place of the spouse.

3) Date & place they married.
4) Did he naturalize? If so, what date?

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Liz Migliori <lizmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So now I'm wondering.
> I don't recall my grandmother ever applying to become a citizen again.
> She was born in Newport RI
> Was she supposed to apply to become one after she married my grandfather
> and he became a citizen
>
> Liz
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> *My grandmother was born in Fall River, MA because my grandfather was an
> alien she applied for citizen ship in 1939. She received a Certificate of
> Citizenship  where as my grandfather when he became a citizen in 1944 he
> received a Naturalization Certificate. Attached Also my grandmother’s
> certificate came from the Department of Labor where my grandfather’s came
> from the Department of Justice.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com
> <azores@googlegroups.com>] *On Behalf Of *Liz Migliori
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 14, 2017 3:24 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization
>
>
>
> Wait, who got around to it in the 60's
>
> Do you mean that your mother was born here
>
> Married gfather in 1916.   Then he got his citizenship but she did not
> automatically become citizen again???
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 10:53 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> The same thing happened to my grandma who married her dear "greenhorn"
> (she told me people called him that) in 1916. Her got his citizenship in
> the 20's but she remained an alien for decades Don't have it here but I
> think she finally got around to it in the 1960s.
>
>
>
> Susan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Liz Migliori <lizmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thx for this info Cheri.  Confirms for me. Whenever I tell relatives that
> my gram lost her citizenship they don't believe me.   She used to get so
> mad if anyone called her a greenhorn.  She made grandpa get his
> citizenship.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Before 1920, women didn't naturalize on their own. No women's rights. If
> the husband naturalized, then she was considered naturalized. If a woman
> (being a U.S. Citizen) married an alien, she lost her American citizenship
> too (before 1920 and women's rights).
>
> 1926 - maybe it's her, maybe it's not. Women could use her maiden name or
> her husband's name. In my research, I've seen women use their husband's
> name in America. Get her death and see if she was a citizen. Look at the
> censuses and see if she was a citizen.
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:32 AM, George Medeiros <migueldeav...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> When a married woman became a citizen of the U.S. from the azores
> from 1900- 1950 does the naturalization record use their own surname or
> their husband's ? Does anyone know ?  I found a naturalization record from
> 1926 of a woman with my grandmother's name which looks like her handwriting
> but has her family name not her husband's surname.
> I do not know if she ever became a citizen but this record might be her.
> George
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization

[Liz Migliori]

So now I'm wondering.   
I don't recall my grandmother ever applying to become a citizen again.   
She was born in Newport RI
Was she supposed to apply to become one after she married my grandfather and he 
became a citizen 

Liz

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
> <rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My grandmother was born in Fall River, MA because my grandfather was an alien 
> she applied for citizen ship in 1939. She received a Certificate of 
> Citizenship  where as my grandfather when he became a citizen in 1944 he 
> received a Naturalization Certificate. Attached Also my grandmother’s 
> certificate came from the Department of Labor where my grandfather’s came 
> from the Department of Justice.
>  
> Rick
>  
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Liz Migliori
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 3:24 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization
>  
> Wait, who got around to it in the 60's
> Do you mean that your mother was born here
> Married gfather in 1916.   Then he got his citizenship but she did not 
> automatically become citizen again???
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 10:53 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> The same thing happened to my grandma who married her dear "greenhorn" (she 
> told me people called him that) in 1916. Her got his citizenship in the 20's 
> but she remained an alien for decades Don't have it here but I think she 
> finally got around to it in the 1960s. 
>  
> Susan 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Liz Migliori <lizmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thx for this info Cheri.  Confirms for me. Whenever I tell relatives that my 
> gram lost her citizenship they don't believe me.   She used to get so mad if 
> anyone called her a greenhorn.  She made grandpa get his citizenship.   
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Before 1920, women didn't naturalize on their own. No women's rights. If the 
> husband naturalized, then she was considered naturalized. If a woman (being a 
> U.S. Citizen) married an alien, she lost her American citizenship too (before 
> 1920 and women's rights).
> 
> 1926 - maybe it's her, maybe it's not. Women could use her maiden name or her 
> husband's name. In my research, I've seen women use their husband's name in 
> America. Get her death and see if she was a citizen. Look at the censuses and 
> see if she was a citizen.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>  
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:32 AM, George Medeiros <migueldeav...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> When a married woman became a citizen of the U.S. from the azores
> from 1900- 1950 does the naturalization record use their own surname or their 
> husband's ? Does anyone know ?  I found a naturalization record from 1926 of 
> a woman with my grandmother's name which looks like her handwriting but has 
> her family name not her husband's surname.
> I do not know if she ever became a citizen but this record might be her. 
> George
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization

[Cheri Mello]

After 1920, a woman was her own person and would have to apply for her own
citizenship. It didn't matter what her husband did.
On Jun 14, 2017 2:46 PM, "Liz Migliori"  wrote:

> Wait, who got around to it in the 60's
> Do you mean that your mother was born here
> Married gfather in 1916.   Then he got his citizenship but she did not
> automatically become citizen again???
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 10:53 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> The same thing happened to my grandma who married her dear "greenhorn"
> (she told me people called him that) in 1916. Her got his citizenship in
> the 20's but she remained an alien for decades Don't have it here but I
> think she finally got around to it in the 1960s.
>
> Susan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Liz Migliori  wrote:
>
> Thx for this info Cheri.  Confirms for me. Whenever I tell relatives that
> my gram lost her citizenship they don't believe me.   She used to get so
> mad if anyone called her a greenhorn.  She made grandpa get his
> citizenship.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Before 1920, women didn't naturalize on their own. No women's rights. If
> the husband naturalized, then she was considered naturalized. If a woman
> (being a U.S. Citizen) married an alien, she lost her American citizenship
> too (before 1920 and women's rights).
>
> 1926 - maybe it's her, maybe it's not. Women could use her maiden name or
> her husband's name. In my research, I've seen women use their husband's
> name in America. Get her death and see if she was a citizen. Look at the
> censuses and see if she was a citizen.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:32 AM, George Medeiros 
> wrote:
>
>> When a married woman became a citizen of the U.S. from the azores
>> from 1900- 1950 does the naturalization record use their own surname or
>> their husband's ? Does anyone know ?  I found a naturalization record from
>> 1926 of a woman with my grandmother's name which looks like her handwriting
>> but has her family name not her husband's surname.
>> I do not know if she ever became a citizen but this record might be her.
>> George
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization

[Liz Migliori]

Wait, who got around to it in the 60's
Do you mean that your mother was born here
Married gfather in 1916.   Then he got his citizenship but she did not 
automatically become citizen again???


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2017, at 10:53 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> The same thing happened to my grandma who married her dear "greenhorn" (she 
> told me people called him that) in 1916. Her got his citizenship in the 20's 
> but she remained an alien for decades Don't have it here but I think she 
> finally got around to it in the 1960s. 
> 
> Susan 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Liz Migliori  wrote:
>> 
>> Thx for this info Cheri.  Confirms for me. Whenever I tell relatives that my 
>> gram lost her citizenship they don't believe me.   She used to get so mad if 
>> anyone called her a greenhorn.  She made grandpa get his citizenship.   
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Before 1920, women didn't naturalize on their own. No women's rights. If 
>>> the husband naturalized, then she was considered naturalized. If a woman 
>>> (being a U.S. Citizen) married an alien, she lost her American citizenship 
>>> too (before 1920 and women's rights).
>>> 
>>> 1926 - maybe it's her, maybe it's not. Women could use her maiden name or 
>>> her husband's name. In my research, I've seen women use their husband's 
>>> name in America. Get her death and see if she was a citizen. Look at the 
>>> censuses and see if she was a citizen. 
>>> 
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
 On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:32 AM, George Medeiros  
 wrote:
 When a married woman became a citizen of the U.S. from the azores
 from 1900- 1950 does the naturalization record use their own surname or 
 their husband's ? Does anyone know ?  I found a naturalization record from 
 1926 of a woman with my grandmother's name which looks like her 
 handwriting but has her family name not her husband's surname.
 I do not know if she ever became a citizen but this record might be her. 
 George
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization Records in the United States

[E. Sharp]

Most of the women this happened to, and there were many, reclaimed their 
citizenship so they could collect Social Security. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization Records in the United States

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

The same thing happened to my grandma who married her dear "greenhorn" (she 
told me people called him that) in 1916. Her got his citizenship in the 20's 
but she remained an alien for decades Don't have it here but I think she 
finally got around to it in the 1960s. 

Susan 

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> On Jun 14, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Liz Migliori  wrote:
> 
> Thx for this info Cheri.  Confirms for me. Whenever I tell relatives that my 
> gram lost her citizenship they don't believe me.   She used to get so mad if 
> anyone called her a greenhorn.  She made grandpa get his citizenship.   
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> 
>> Before 1920, women didn't naturalize on their own. No women's rights. If the 
>> husband naturalized, then she was considered naturalized. If a woman (being 
>> a U.S. Citizen) married an alien, she lost her American citizenship too 
>> (before 1920 and women's rights).
>> 
>> 1926 - maybe it's her, maybe it's not. Women could use her maiden name or 
>> her husband's name. In my research, I've seen women use their husband's name 
>> in America. Get her death and see if she was a citizen. Look at the censuses 
>> and see if she was a citizen. 
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:32 AM, George Medeiros  
>>> wrote:
>>> When a married woman became a citizen of the U.S. from the azores
>>> from 1900- 1950 does the naturalization record use their own surname or 
>>> their husband's ? Does anyone know ?  I found a naturalization record from 
>>> 1926 of a woman with my grandmother's name which looks like her handwriting 
>>> but has her family name not her husband's surname.
>>> I do not know if she ever became a citizen but this record might be her. 
>>> George
>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization Records in the United States

[Liz Migliori]

Thx for this info Cheri.  Confirms for me. Whenever I tell relatives that my 
gram lost her citizenship they don't believe me.   She used to get so mad if 
anyone called her a greenhorn.  She made grandpa get his citizenship.   

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Before 1920, women didn't naturalize on their own. No women's rights. If the 
> husband naturalized, then she was considered naturalized. If a woman (being a 
> U.S. Citizen) married an alien, she lost her American citizenship too (before 
> 1920 and women's rights).
> 
> 1926 - maybe it's her, maybe it's not. Women could use her maiden name or her 
> husband's name. In my research, I've seen women use their husband's name in 
> America. Get her death and see if she was a citizen. Look at the censuses and 
> see if she was a citizen. 
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:32 AM, George Medeiros  
>> wrote:
>> When a married woman became a citizen of the U.S. from the azores
>> from 1900- 1950 does the naturalization record use their own surname or 
>> their husband's ? Does anyone know ?  I found a naturalization record from 
>> 1926 of a woman with my grandmother's name which looks like her handwriting 
>> but has her family name not her husband's surname.
>> I do not know if she ever became a citizen but this record might be her. 
>> George
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization Records in the United States

[Cheri Mello]

Before 1920, women didn't naturalize on their own. No women's rights. If
the husband naturalized, then she was considered naturalized. If a woman
(being a U.S. Citizen) married an alien, she lost her American citizenship
too (before 1920 and women's rights).

1926 - maybe it's her, maybe it's not. Women could use her maiden name or
her husband's name. In my research, I've seen women use their husband's
name in America. Get her death and see if she was a citizen. Look at the
censuses and see if she was a citizen.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:32 AM, George Medeiros 
wrote:

> When a married woman became a citizen of the U.S. from the azores
> from 1900- 1950 does the naturalization record use their own surname or
> their husband's ? Does anyone know ?  I found a naturalization record from
> 1926 of a woman with my grandmother's name which looks like her handwriting
> but has her family name not her husband's surname.
> I do not know if she ever became a citizen but this record might be her.
> George
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

[Margaret Vicente]

I'll keep those names in mind whenever I search through that Parish.  Have
you considered that Estrela may be a 'tag' name.  In other words, a
grandmother may have been called Estrela or Maria da Estrela while the
husband may be "Sousa" ?



On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Herb  wrote:

> As best as I have been able to determine Margaret, my exposto Jose Sousa
> Silva born 1871-1872 in NS Estrela Ribeira Grande, was probably the son of
> an Antonio Sousa Estrela and Maria Rosa. I have not been able to learn who
> raised him or who the parents of Antonio Sousa Estela were. I have poured
> over hundreds of records. The answer may be right in front of me but I
> don't see it.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

[Herb]

As best as I have been able to determine Margaret, my exposto Jose Sousa Silva 
born 1871-1872 in NS Estrela Ribeira Grande, was probably the son of an Antonio 
Sousa Estrela and Maria Rosa. I have not been able to learn who raised him or 
who the parents of Antonio Sousa Estela were. I have poured over hundreds of 
records. The answer may be right in front of me but I don't see it.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

[Margaret Vicente]

Indeed, Herb! Too similar, the other Antonio was of incognito parents but
there may be a correlation here.  If a Silva Carnario family was raising
these kids they may have taken on the surname.  Were you able to confirm
who it was that nursed and raised your ancestor?


On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Herb  wrote:

> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-ESTRELA-B-1844-1846/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1844-1846_item1/P143.html
>
> Margaret all this talk about Antonio Silva Canario reminds me of the one
> in the URL above. He was the padrinho to all of my exposto great
> grandfather's kids.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

[Herb]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1844-1846/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1844-1846_item1/P143.html

Margaret all this talk about Antonio Silva Canario reminds me of the one in the 
URL above. He was the padrinho to all of my exposto great grandfather's kids.

Herb 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Thanks JR, that should close the book on this one. I am glad Bill found those 
hospital records in Conceicao. I didn’t realize they were there.

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of JR
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:01 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

 

Obito for Florinda Candida, first wife of Jose Costa Pragana:

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-O-1870-1879/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-O-1870-1879_item1/P178.html

 

Record - 221, Florinda Candida, died Oct 25, 1873 in RGE, at 52 years old, 
married to Jose da Costa Pregana

 

JR


On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 9:41:02 PM UTC-4, JR wrote:

As I suspected, the priest made an error and should have indicated filha 
natural de Helena Rosa and Pai Incognito, because her spouse Antonio had died 
four years earlier. Or he recorded the record that way purposely. Who knows. 
But when Emilia married, as already noted, no father was mentioned; nor did the 
priest state it was father Incognito, just "filha natural."

 

JR

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 7:36:50 PM UTC-4, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:

You're right; I hadn't made that connection to the marriage you posted earlier. 
 A certificate of the obito was made 18 Jan 1876, probably to show her first 
marriage dissolved so she could marry 6 days later on the 24th.

 

Bill

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 3:51:12 PM UTC-7, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:

Bill that is the death record the margin note gives the date Helena remarried 
18 Jan 1898. Thank you. 

 

Rick

 

From: azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
bsei...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 4:47 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

 

I noticed that the caption for the Conceição book said "Obitos do Hospital" so 
I took a look.  I believe I found that Antonio died 27 Dec 1869.  Record is 
bottom left.

 

 
<http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-O-1855-1876/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-O-1855-1876_item1/P66.html>
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-O-1855-1876/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-O-1855-1876_item1/P66.html

Bill Seidler

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 1:39:27 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:

Bill, is right I didn't do the math. It's not age but as Rick says, the record 
number 35.

 

Good catch Bill :)

 

Thanks

 

 

 

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <rickre...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Hi Bill ,

 

The number refers to the entry number of the Obito book for the year 1924.

 

Rick

 

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bsei...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 4:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

 

I'm not sure what the margin numbers mean on Emilia's baptism, but the 35 
wouldn't be her age in 1924.  Wouldn't a child born in 1873 that married in 
1895 at 22 years old be 51 years old in Sep 1924. 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

[JR]

Obito for Florinda Candida, first wife of Jose Costa Pragana:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-O-1870-1879/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-O-1870-1879_item1/P178.html

Record - 221, Florinda Candida, died Oct 25, 1873 in RGE, at 52 years old, 
married to Jose da Costa Pregana

JR

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 9:41:02 PM UTC-4, JR wrote:
>
> As I suspected, the priest made an error and should have indicated filha 
> natural de Helena Rosa and Pai Incognito, because her spouse Antonio had 
> died four years earlier. Or he recorded the record that way purposely. Who 
> knows. But when Emilia married, as already noted, no father was mentioned; 
> nor did the priest state it was father Incognito, just "filha natural."
>
> JR
>
> On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 7:36:50 PM UTC-4, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> You're right; I hadn't made that connection to the marriage you posted 
>> earlier.  A certificate of the obito was made 18 Jan 1876, probably to show 
>> her first marriage dissolved so she could marry 6 days later on the 24th.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 3:51:12 PM UTC-7, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> *Bill that is the death record the margin note gives the date Helena 
>>> remarried 18 Jan 1898. Thank you. *
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Rick*
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] *On 
>>> Behalf Of *bsei...@gmail.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 4:47 PM
>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao 
>>> Miguel 1873
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I noticed that the caption for the Conceição book said "Obitos do 
>>> Hospital" so I took a look.  I believe I found that Antonio died 27 Dec 
>>> 1869.  Record is bottom left.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-O-1855-1876/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-O-1855-1876_item1/P66.html
>>>
>>> Bill Seidler
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 1:39:27 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>>>
>>> Bill, is right I didn't do the math. It's not age but as Rick says, the 
>>> record number 35.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Good catch Bill :)
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
>>> rickre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> *Hi Bill ,*
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *The number refers to the entry number of the Obito book for the year 
>>> 1924.*
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Rick*
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] *On 
>>> Behalf Of *bsei...@gmail.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 4:05 PM
>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao 
>>> Miguel 1873
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what the margin numbers mean on Emilia's baptism, but the 
>>> 35 wouldn't be her age in 1924.  Wouldn't a child born in 1873 that married 
>>> in 1895 at 22 years old be 51 years old in Sep 1924. 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

[JR]

As I suspected, the priest made an error and should have indicated filha 
natural de Helena Rosa and Pai Incognito, because her spouse Antonio had 
died four years earlier. Or he recorded the record that way purposely. Who 
knows. But when Emilia married, as already noted, no father was mentioned; 
nor did the priest state it was father Incognito, just "filha natural."

JR

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 7:36:50 PM UTC-4, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> You're right; I hadn't made that connection to the marriage you posted 
> earlier.  A certificate of the obito was made 18 Jan 1876, probably to show 
> her first marriage dissolved so she could marry 6 days later on the 24th.
>
> Bill
>
> On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 3:51:12 PM UTC-7, Richard Francis Pimentel 
> wrote:
>
>> *Bill that is the death record the margin note gives the date Helena 
>> remarried 18 Jan 1898. Thank you. *
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] *On 
>> Behalf Of *bsei...@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 4:47 PM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao 
>> Miguel 1873
>>
>>  
>>
>> I noticed that the caption for the Conceição book said "Obitos do 
>> Hospital" so I took a look.  I believe I found that Antonio died 27 Dec 
>> 1869.  Record is bottom left.
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-O-1855-1876/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-O-1855-1876_item1/P66.html
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>> On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 1:39:27 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>>
>> Bill, is right I didn't do the math. It's not age but as Rick says, the 
>> record number 35.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Good catch Bill :)
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
>> rickre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> *Hi Bill ,*
>>
>>  
>>
>> *The number refers to the entry number of the Obito book for the year 
>> 1924.*
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] *On 
>> Behalf Of *bsei...@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 4:05 PM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao 
>> Miguel 1873
>>
>>  
>>
>> I'm not sure what the margin numbers mean on Emilia's baptism, but the 35 
>> wouldn't be her age in 1924.  Wouldn't a child born in 1873 that married in 
>> 1895 at 22 years old be 51 years old in Sep 1924. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill Seidler
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[bsei2816]

You're right; I hadn't made that connection to the marriage you posted 
earlier.  A certificate of the obito was made 18 Jan 1876, probably to show 
her first marriage dissolved so she could marry 6 days later on the 24th.

Bill

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 3:51:12 PM UTC-7, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:

> *Bill that is the death record the margin note gives the date Helena 
> remarried 18 Jan 1898. Thank you. *
>
>  
>
> *Rick*
>
>  
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> azo...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *bsei...@gmail.com 
> 
> *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 4:47 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao 
> Miguel 1873
>
>  
>
> I noticed that the caption for the Conceição book said "Obitos do 
> Hospital" so I took a look.  I believe I found that Antonio died 27 Dec 
> 1869.  Record is bottom left.
>
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-O-1855-1876/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-O-1855-1876_item1/P66.html
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 1:39:27 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> Bill, is right I didn't do the math. It's not age but as Rick says, the 
> record number 35.
>
>  
>
> Good catch Bill :)
>
>  
>
> Thanks
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rickre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> *Hi Bill ,*
>
>  
>
> *The number refers to the entry number of the Obito book for the year 
> 1924.*
>
>  
>
> *Rick*
>
>  
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] *On 
> Behalf Of *bsei...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 4:05 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao 
> Miguel 1873
>
>  
>
> I'm not sure what the margin numbers mean on Emilia's baptism, but the 35 
> wouldn't be her age in 1924.  Wouldn't a child born in 1873 that married in 
> 1895 at 22 years old be 51 years old in Sep 1924. 
>
>  
>
> Bill Seidler
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Bill that is the death record the margin note gives the date Helena remarried 
18 Jan 1898. Thank you. 

 

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
bsei2...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 4:47 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

 

I noticed that the caption for the Conceição book said "Obitos do Hospital" so 
I took a look.  I believe I found that Antonio died 27 Dec 1869.  Record is 
bottom left.

 

 
<http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-O-1855-1876/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-O-1855-1876_item1/P66.html>
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-O-1855-1876/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-O-1855-1876_item1/P66.html

Bill Seidler

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 1:39:27 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:

Bill, is right I didn't do the math. It's not age but as Rick says, the record 
number 35.

 

Good catch Bill :)

 

Thanks

 

 

 

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <rickre...@gmail.com 
 > wrote:

Hi Bill ,

 

The number refers to the entry number of the Obito book for the year 1924.

 

Rick

 

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 ] On Behalf Of bsei...@gmail.com  
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

 

I'm not sure what the margin numbers mean on Emilia's baptism, but the 35 
wouldn't be her age in 1924.  Wouldn't a child born in 1873 that married in 
1895 at 22 years old be 51 years old in Sep 1924. 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

[bsei2816]

I noticed that the caption for the Conceição book said "Obitos do Hospital" 
so I took a look.  I believe I found that Antonio died 27 Dec 1869.  Record 
is bottom left.

*http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-O-1855-1876/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-O-1855-1876_item1/P66.html*
 
<http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-O-1855-1876/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-O-1855-1876_item1/P66.html>
Bill Seidler

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 1:39:27 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:

> Bill, is right I didn't do the math. It's not age but as Rick says, the 
> record number 35.
>
> Good catch Bill :)
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rickre...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> *Hi Bill ,*
>>
>>  
>>
>> *The number refers to the entry number of the Obito book for the year 
>> 1924.*
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
>> azo...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *bsei...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 4:05 PM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao 
>> Miguel 1873
>>
>>  
>>
>> I'm not sure what the margin numbers mean on Emilia's baptism, but the 35 
>> wouldn't be her age in 1924.  Wouldn't a child born in 1873 that married in 
>> 1895 at 22 years old be 51 years old in Sep 1924. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

[Margaret Vicente]

Bill, is right I didn't do the math. It's not age but as Rick says, the
record number 35.

Good catch Bill :)

Thanks



On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *Hi Bill ,*
>
>
>
> *The number refers to the entry number of the Obito book for the year
> 1924.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *bsei2...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 4:05 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao
> Miguel 1873
>
>
>
> I'm not sure what the margin numbers mean on Emilia's baptism, but the 35
> wouldn't be her age in 1924.  Wouldn't a child born in 1873 that married in
> 1895 at 22 years old be 51 years old in Sep 1924.
>
>
>
> Bill Seidler
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Hi Bill ,

 

The number refers to the entry number of the Obito book for the year 1924.

 

Rick

 

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bsei2...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 4:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

 

I'm not sure what the margin numbers mean on Emilia's baptism, but the 35 
wouldn't be her age in 1924.  Wouldn't a child born in 1873 that married in 
1895 at 22 years old be 51 years old in Sep 1924. 

 

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I'm not sure what the margin numbers mean on Emilia's baptism, but the 35 
wouldn't be her age in 1924.  Wouldn't a child born in 1873 that married in 
1895 at 22 years old be 51 years old in Sep 1924. 

Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

[Margaret Vicente]

Richard,

Here's Emilia's marriage record.  And, your answer, natural daughter of
Helena Helena Rosa, 22 years old. Left side # 11

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1890-1899_item1/P86.html

Margaret

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *Margaret, I think that would be and assumption. I have done extensive
> research in this parish and there is only one couple with these names and
> one other Helena in the parish that is clearly out of the entire time
> range. In 1876 when Helena remarries it clearly states she is the widow of
> Antonio da Silva Canario  See
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879_item1/P40.html
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879_item1/P40.html>
> This record uses the name Helena de Jesus but this is just one name
> variation she used.*
>
>
>
> *Linda said that in the birth record of Emilia she is a widow at that
> time. That would be the word going from line 11 to 12. On the birth record
> of Emilia.   If I could find the obito of Antonio it would help but the
> record above says he died in the Hospital in Ribeira Grande. If I could
> find out when he died that may answer a few questions. *
>
>
>
> *As with all things we may never know the answer.*
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente
> *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 12:44 PM
>
> *To:* azores
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao
> Miguel 1873
>
>
>
> Richard, the birth of Emilia takes place in 1873.  That translates to a 19
> year gap.  You may very well be looking at two different people for this
> couple is NOT legally married.
>
>
>
> Further to this the record does not state 'illegitimate" it says natural.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> *OK Margaret but how do you explain the fact that they were married? Their
> marriage took place in 1854 and they had three children at the time.*
>
> *rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente
> *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 12:23 PM
> *To:* azores
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao
> Miguel 1873
>
>
>
> Hi Richard and JR.
>
> The record is intent clear in that it states the natural father Antonio da
> Silva Canario and the mother Helena Rosa, widow, naturals, parishioners
> residents of the parish.
>
> it then says that the child Emilia Paternal and Maternal Grandparents are
> incognitos.  This means both of Emilia's parents, were foundlings and of
> unknown parents.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> *JR and I are both scratching our heads on this record We need some other
> native speakers to take a look at this record and the wording and perhaps
> explain what the writer was trying to say. *
>
> *A few facts about it are Antonio da Silva Canario and Helena Rosa married
> in 1854 and have 3 children at the time of this record (the birth of
> Emilia) Antonio is 66 years old and Helena is about 42.  Antonio is named
> as having died in the Hospital in Ribeira Grande in 1876 when Helena
> remarries. *
>
> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html>
> Emilia on the right side *
>
> *The part in question is the priest writes “ filha legitima digo fila
> natural Antonio da Silva campaneo e  de Helena Rosa” then there is a few
> lines before he writes “nita paterna”  I can make out part of the line I
> think is says that they are both married and residing in the freguesia but
> I do not completely understand it all.  *
>
> *In subsequent records Emilia she is named as father unknown. *
>
> *My feeling is that Emilia is the results of an adulterous affair and
> Antonio denied he was the father Helena denied having an  affair.  The
> priest could not determine who was telling the truth. *
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH *
>
> *Researching, Riberia Gr

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

[Margaret Vicente]

I get it.  In that case you already have the background,  It rests the
possibility of an error on Emilia's birth record where the natural father
was misnamed.

The Santa Casa obit could be ordered if not on line and you could
approximate time of death, it would have to be around 1871-1872.  One other
option would be to find the obit for the 2nd husband's wife to see if he
was still married when Emilia was born.

The answer you are looking for lies with Emilia in my opinion.  The
marriage, or her death record would give you the parents names  The margin
note says she died at 35 years of age, Sep 14 1924.

Margaret



On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *Margaret, I think that would be and assumption. I have done extensive
> research in this parish and there is only one couple with these names and
> one other Helena in the parish that is clearly out of the entire time
> range. In 1876 when Helena remarries it clearly states she is the widow of
> Antonio da Silva Canario  See
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879_item1/P40.html
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879_item1/P40.html>
> This record uses the name Helena de Jesus but this is just one name
> variation she used.*
>
>
>
> *Linda said that in the birth record of Emilia she is a widow at that
> time. That would be the word going from line 11 to 12. On the birth record
> of Emilia.   If I could find the obito of Antonio it would help but the
> record above says he died in the Hospital in Ribeira Grande. If I could
> find out when he died that may answer a few questions. *
>
>
>
> *As with all things we may never know the answer.*
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente
> *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 12:44 PM
>
> *To:* azores
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao
> Miguel 1873
>
>
>
> Richard, the birth of Emilia takes place in 1873.  That translates to a 19
> year gap.  You may very well be looking at two different people for this
> couple is NOT legally married.
>
>
>
> Further to this the record does not state 'illegitimate" it says natural.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> *OK Margaret but how do you explain the fact that they were married? Their
> marriage took place in 1854 and they had three children at the time.*
>
> *rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente
> *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 12:23 PM
> *To:* azores
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao
> Miguel 1873
>
>
>
> Hi Richard and JR.
>
> The record is intent clear in that it states the natural father Antonio da
> Silva Canario and the mother Helena Rosa, widow, naturals, parishioners
> residents of the parish.
>
> it then says that the child Emilia Paternal and Maternal Grandparents are
> incognitos.  This means both of Emilia's parents, were foundlings and of
> unknown parents.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> *JR and I are both scratching our heads on this record We need some other
> native speakers to take a look at this record and the wording and perhaps
> explain what the writer was trying to say. *
>
> *A few facts about it are Antonio da Silva Canario and Helena Rosa married
> in 1854 and have 3 children at the time of this record (the birth of
> Emilia) Antonio is 66 years old and Helena is about 42.  Antonio is named
> as having died in the Hospital in Ribeira Grande in 1876 when Helena
> remarries. *
>
> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html>
> Emilia on the right side *
>
> *The part in question is the priest writes “ filha legitima digo fila
> natural Antonio da Silva campaneo e  de Helena Rosa” then there is a few
> lines before he writes “nita paterna”  I can make out part of the line I
> think is says that they are both married and residing in the freguesia but
> I do not completely understand it all.  *
>
> *In subsequent records Emilia she is named as father unk

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Margaret, I think that would be and assumption. I have done extensive research 
in this parish and there is only one couple with these names and one other 
Helena in the parish that is clearly out of the entire time range. In 1876 when 
Helena remarries it clearly states she is the widow of Antonio da Silva Canario 
 See 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879_item1/P40.html
 This record uses the name Helena de Jesus but this is just one name variation 
she used.

 

Linda said that in the birth record of Emilia she is a widow at that time. That 
would be the word going from line 11 to 12. On the birth record of Emilia.   If 
I could find the obito of Antonio it would help but the record above says he 
died in the Hospital in Ribeira Grande. If I could find out when he died that 
may answer a few questions. 

 

As with all things we may never know the answer.

Rick

 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:44 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

 

Richard, the birth of Emilia takes place in 1873.  That translates to a 19 year 
gap.  You may very well be looking at two different people for this couple is 
NOT legally married. 

 

Further to this the record does not state 'illegitimate" it says natural.  

 

 

 

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
<rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:

OK Margaret but how do you explain the fact that they were married? Their 
marriage took place in 1854 and they had three children at the time.

rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:23 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

 

Hi Richard and JR. 

The record is intent clear in that it states the natural father Antonio da 
Silva Canario and the mother Helena Rosa, widow, naturals, parishioners 
residents of the parish. 

it then says that the child Emilia Paternal and Maternal Grandparents are 
incognitos.  This means both of Emilia's parents, were foundlings and of 
unknown parents. 

Hope this helps.

 

Margaret

 

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
<rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

JR and I are both scratching our heads on this record We need some other native 
speakers to take a look at this record and the wording and perhaps explain what 
the writer was trying to say. 

A few facts about it are Antonio da Silva Canario and Helena Rosa married in 
1854 and have 3 children at the time of this record (the birth of Emilia) 
Antonio is 66 years old and Helena is about 42.  Antonio is named as having 
died in the Hospital in Ribeira Grande in 1876 when Helena remarries. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
  Emilia on the right side 

The part in question is the priest writes “ filha legitima digo fila natural 
Antonio da Silva campaneo e  de Helena Rosa” then there is a few lines before 
he writes “nita paterna”  I can make out part of the line I think is says that 
they are both married and residing in the freguesia but I do not completely 
understand it all.  

In subsequent records Emilia she is named as father unknown. 

My feeling is that Emilia is the results of an adulterous affair and Antonio 
denied he was the father Helena denied having an  affair.  The priest could not 
determine who was telling the truth. 

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

[Margaret Vicente]

Richard, the birth of Emilia takes place in 1873.  That translates to a 19
year gap.  You may very well be looking at two different people for this
couple is NOT legally married.

Further to this the record does not state 'illegitimate" it says natural.



On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *OK Margaret but how do you explain the fact that they were married? Their
> marriage took place in 1854 and they had three children at the time.*
>
> *rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente
> *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 12:23 PM
> *To:* azores
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao
> Miguel 1873
>
>
>
> Hi Richard and JR.
>
>
>
> The record is intent clear in that it states the natural father Antonio da
> Silva Canario and the mother Helena Rosa, widow, naturals, parishioners
> residents of the parish.
>
>
>
> it then says that the child Emilia Paternal and Maternal Grandparents are
> incognitos.  This means both of Emilia's parents, were foundlings and of
> unknown parents.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> *JR and I are both scratching our heads on this record We need some other
> native speakers to take a look at this record and the wording and perhaps
> explain what the writer was trying to say.*
>
>
>
> *A few facts about it are Antonio da Silva Canario and Helena Rosa married
> in 1854 and have 3 children at the time of this record (the birth of
> Emilia) Antonio is 66 years old and Helena is about 42.  Antonio is named
> as having died in the Hospital in Ribeira Grande in 1876 when Helena
> remarries.*
>
>
>
> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html>
> Emilia on the right side*
>
>
>
> *The part in question is the priest writes “ filha legitima digo fila
> natural Antonio da Silva campaneo e  de Helena Rosa” then there is a few
> lines before he writes “nita paterna”  I can make out part of the line I
> think is says that they are both married and residing in the freguesia but
> I do not completely understand it all. *
>
>
>
> *In subsequent records Emilia she is named as father unknown.*
>
>
>
> *My feeling is that Emilia is the results of an adulterous affair and
> Antonio denied he was the father Helena denied having an  affair.  The
> priest could not determine who was telling the truth. *
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

OK Margaret but how do you explain the fact that they were married? Their 
marriage took place in 1854 and they had three children at the time.

rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:23 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

 

Hi Richard and JR.

 

The record is intent clear in that it states the natural father Antonio da 
Silva Canario and the mother Helena Rosa, widow, naturals, parishioners 
residents of the parish. 

 

it then says that the child Emilia Paternal and Maternal Grandparents are 
incognitos.  This means both of Emilia's parents, were foundlings and of 
unknown parents.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Margaret

 

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
<rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

JR and I are both scratching our heads on this record We need some other native 
speakers to take a look at this record and the wording and perhaps explain what 
the writer was trying to say.

 

A few facts about it are Antonio da Silva Canario and Helena Rosa married in 
1854 and have 3 children at the time of this record (the birth of Emilia) 
Antonio is 66 years old and Helena is about 42.  Antonio is named as having 
died in the Hospital in Ribeira Grande in 1876 when Helena remarries.

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
  Emilia on the right side

 

The part in question is the priest writes “ filha legitima digo fila natural 
Antonio da Silva campaneo e  de Helena Rosa” then there is a few lines before 
he writes “nita paterna”  I can make out part of the line I think is says that 
they are both married and residing in the freguesia but I do not completely 
understand it all. 

 

In subsequent records Emilia she is named as father unknown.

 

My feeling is that Emilia is the results of an adulterous affair and Antonio 
denied he was the father Helena denied having an  affair.  The priest could not 
determine who was telling the truth. 

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on record Ribeirinha Sao Miguel 1873

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Richard and JR.

The record is intent clear in that it states the natural father Antonio da
Silva Canario and the mother Helena Rosa, widow, naturals, parishioners
residents of the parish.

it then says that the child Emilia Paternal and Maternal Grandparents are
incognitos.  This means both of Emilia's parents, were foundlings and of
unknown parents.

Hope this helps.

Margaret

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *JR and I are both scratching our heads on this record We need some other
> native speakers to take a look at this record and the wording and perhaps
> explain what the writer was trying to say.*
>
>
>
> *A few facts about it are Antonio da Silva Canario and Helena Rosa married
> in 1854 and have 3 children at the time of this record (the birth of
> Emilia) Antonio is 66 years old and Helena is about 42.  Antonio is named
> as having died in the Hospital in Ribeira Grande in 1876 when Helena
> remarries.*
>
>
>
> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1871-1879_item1/P87.html
> 
> Emilia on the right side*
>
>
>
> *The part in question is the priest writes “ filha legitima digo fila
> natural Antonio da Silva campaneo e  de Helena Rosa” then there is a few
> lines before he writes “nita paterna”  I can make out part of the line I
> think is says that they are both married and residing in the freguesia but
> I do not completely understand it all. *
>
>
>
> *In subsequent records Emilia she is named as father unknown.*
>
>
>
> *My feeling is that Emilia is the results of an adulterous affair and
> Antonio denied he was the father Helena denied having an  affair.  The
> priest could not determine who was telling the truth. *
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

[Erica Botelho]

Paul,

Glad to hear the information was helpful!

Erica

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:19 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

 

THANK YOU ERICA You have helped knock down the brick wall that has been 
holding me up on researching my paternal grandfather's family. I've "literally" 
been pounding my head against this wall for 5 years now trying to find the 
baptism records for my great grandfather and his siblings. I almost cried when 
I viewed them.

 

Paul G.

On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 3:16:29 PM UTC-4, audiosourceinc wrote:

Familysearch.com has just digitized almost all of their Madeira records.  You 
can access them through searching their "catalog". Type in the place "Madeira, 
Portugal" and "search".  Then choose the option of "church records - 50 items". 
 This will bring you to a list of all of the freguesias of Madeira.  Pick your 
freguesia and click on it. That will bring up a list of all the records they 
have.  If the icon to the right is a camera, then you can click on that link 
and look through them.  If the icon is a film reel, then those records are not 
uploaded to the internet yet and only available through ordering them directly. 
If you have any other questions, you can email me directly  audiosourceinc at 
qwestoffice.net 
Erica Botelho 

-Original Message- 
From: azo...@googlegroups.com   [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com 
 ] On Behalf Of Maria Lima 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:49 AM 
To: AZORES 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research 

A friend asked me for help on his wife's Madeira ancestry. I'd like to help 
with reading the records for them but I'm not sure the records are online like 
the Azores.  I'm not even sure yet if there's more than one island - sorry to 
admit in public - I'm just starting to explore how I can help them. 

Is there an equivalent list for Madeira like this one? 

Thanks, 

Maria Elena 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

[JR]

Good for you Paul. And keep on going. Madeira has some interesting lines 
when you get way back.

JR

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 2:24:23 PM UTC-4, Paul wrote:
>
> THANK YOU ERICA You have helped knock down the brick wall that has 
> been holding me up on researching my paternal grandfather's family. I've 
> "literally" been pounding my head against this wall for 5 years now trying 
> to find the baptism records for my great grandfather and his siblings. I 
> *almost* cried when I viewed them.
>
> Paul G.
>
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 3:16:29 PM UTC-4, audiosourceinc wrote:
>>
>> Familysearch.com has just digitized almost all of their Madeira records. 
>>  You can access them through searching their "catalog". Type in the place 
>> "Madeira, Portugal" and "search".  Then choose the option of "church 
>> records - 50 items".  This will bring you to a list of all of the 
>> freguesias of Madeira.  Pick your freguesia and click on it. That will 
>> bring up a list of all the records they have.  If the icon to the right is 
>> a camera, then you can click on that link and look through them.  If the 
>> icon is a film reel, then those records are not uploaded to the internet 
>> yet and only available through ordering them directly. 
>> If you have any other questions, you can email me directly 
>>  audiosourceinc at qwestoffice.net 
>> Erica Botelho 
>>
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Maria Lima 
>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:49 AM 
>> To: AZORES 
>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research 
>>
>> A friend asked me for help on his wife's Madeira ancestry. I'd like to 
>> help with reading the records for them but I'm not sure the records are 
>> online like the Azores.  I'm not even sure yet if there's more than one 
>> island - sorry to admit in public - I'm just starting to explore how I can 
>> help them. 
>>
>> Is there an equivalent list for Madeira like this one? 
>>
>> Thanks, 
>>
>> Maria Elena 
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

[Paul]

THANK YOU ERICA You have helped knock down the brick wall that has been 
holding me up on researching my paternal grandfather's family. I've 
"literally" been pounding my head against this wall for 5 years now trying 
to find the baptism records for my great grandfather and his siblings. I 
*almost* cried when I viewed them.

Paul G.

On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 3:16:29 PM UTC-4, audiosourceinc wrote:
>
> Familysearch.com has just digitized almost all of their Madeira records. 
>  You can access them through searching their "catalog". Type in the place 
> "Madeira, Portugal" and "search".  Then choose the option of "church 
> records - 50 items".  This will bring you to a list of all of the 
> freguesias of Madeira.  Pick your freguesia and click on it. That will 
> bring up a list of all the records they have.  If the icon to the right is 
> a camera, then you can click on that link and look through them.  If the 
> icon is a film reel, then those records are not uploaded to the internet 
> yet and only available through ordering them directly. 
> If you have any other questions, you can email me directly  audiosourceinc 
> at qwestoffice.net 
> Erica Botelho 
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> azo...@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Maria Lima 
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:49 AM 
> To: AZORES 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research 
>
> A friend asked me for help on his wife's Madeira ancestry. I'd like to 
> help with reading the records for them but I'm not sure the records are 
> online like the Azores.  I'm not even sure yet if there's more than one 
> island - sorry to admit in public - I'm just starting to explore how I can 
> help them. 
>
> Is there an equivalent list for Madeira like this one? 
>
> Thanks, 
>
> Maria Elena 
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

[Liz Migliori]

That's what I love about this.  We all pay it forward

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 11:23 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Joining Rootsweb lists doesn't work that way. Sending a message to 
> prt-made...@rootsweb.com means you sent the word "subscribe" to everyone on 
> the list. Follow the directions in the link I provided in the previous email. 
> Here it is again:
> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/PRT/PRT-MADEIRA.html
> 
> Tombo.pt is only a portal (like an index or a table of contents) to the 
> Portuguese based arquives. He's written code to crawl all the Portuguese 
> based sites in the Azores, Madeira, and the continent of Portugal. He then 
> presents you with what is available all on one page.
> 
> Hope that clarifies things! Cheri
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:36 PM, 'Denise' via Azores Genealogy 
>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> Hi Maria Elena, 
>> 
>> Yes there is a Madeira email list like this one. The email is 
>> prt-made...@rootsweb.com. I believe if you send an email to that address 
>> saying SUBSCRIBE it should get you on the list. In the meantime, the way 
>> Erica explained how to view the Madeira films on line at FamilySearch.org is 
>> the best way of doing it, just follow her instructions. Tombo and the 
>> Archivo Regional da Madeira are no where near where Family Search is right 
>> now. 
>> 
>> There's no need to compare lists, just go to the site that has what you're 
>> looking for. Not all parishes are available yet but a decent amount are.
>> 
>> Denise D'Antona
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
>> To: azores <azores@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tue, May 16, 2017 4:07 pm
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research
>> 
>> It's very clear on Tombo.pt that Madeira is not all there. I don't have the 
>> time to sit down and compare the records that Tombo.pt is catching from the 
>> ABM (Madeira's CCA site) to the records that Family Search is doing. I'll 
>> leave that to someone who researches Madeira. Cheri
>> On May 16, 2017 12:46 PM, "Marilyn Thompson" <mari...@jmtmlt.com> wrote:
>> If you click on each link then scroll down a little you will see a camera. 
>> Click on that and the digital images for that time period will come up. 
>> 
>> I have no idea if all of the records for Madeira are there or not. It looks 
>> like many are.  Family History Library link below:
>> 
>> 
>> https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20=133722=%2Bplace%3A%22Portugal%2C%20Madeira%20(ilha)%22=332081-50
>> 
>> Hope this helps
>> 
>> Marilyn
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 2017-05-16 13:41 GMT-06:00 Marilyn Thompson <mari...@jmtmlt.com>:
>> I just pulled up the catalog. This is the listing for Church Records
>> Registros paroquiais, 1538-1911
>> Author:  Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Assunção (Funchal, Funchal)
>>   Add 
>> Registros paroquiais, 1539-1910
>> Author:  Igreja Católica. São Bento (Ribeira Brava, Funchal)
>>   Add 
>> Registros paroquiais, 1539-1910
>> Author:  Igreja Católica. São Salvador (Santa Cruz, Funchal)
>>   Add 
>> Registros paroquiais, 1539-1910
>> Author:  Igreja Católica. Santo Antão (Caniço, Funchal)
>>   Add 
>> Registros paroquiais, 1539-1914
>> Author:  Igreja Católica. Espírito Santo (Calheta, Funchal)
>>   Add 
>> Registros paroquiais, 1542-1911
>> Author:  Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Natividade (Faial, Funchal)
>>   Add 
>> Registros paroquiais, 1557-1950
>> Author:  Igreja Católica. Santo António (Santo António, Funchal)
>>   Add 
>> Registros paroquiais, 1560-1910
>> Author:  Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Luz (Gaula, Funchal)
>>   Add 
>> Registros paroquiais, 1562-1911
>> Author:  Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Graça (Estreito de Câmara de 
>> Lobos, Funchal)
>>   Add 
>> Registros paroquiais, 1565-1911
>> Author:  Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Luz (Ponta do Sol, Funchal)
>>   Add 
>> Registros paroquiais, 1568-1911
>> Author:  Igreja Católica. São Gonçalo (São Gonçalo, Funchal)
>>   Add 
>> Registros paroquiais, 1568-1911
>> Author:  Igreja Católica. São Pedro (Funchal, Funchal)
>>   Add 
>> Regi

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

[Cheri Mello]

Joining Rootsweb lists doesn't work that way. Sending a message to
prt-made...@rootsweb.com means you sent the word "subscribe" to everyone on
the list. Follow the directions in the link I provided in the previous
email. Here it is again:
http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/PRT/PRT-MADEIRA.html

Tombo.pt is only a portal (like an index or a table of contents) to the
Portuguese based arquives. He's written code to crawl all the Portuguese
based sites in the Azores, Madeira, and the continent of Portugal. He then
presents you with what is available all on one page.

Hope that clarifies things! Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:36 PM, 'Denise' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi Maria Elena,
>
> Yes there is a Madeira email list like this one. The email is
> prt-made...@rootsweb.com. I believe if you send an email to that address
> saying SUBSCRIBE it should get you on the list. In the meantime, the way
> Erica explained how to view the Madeira films on line at FamilySearch.org
> is the best way of doing it, just follow her instructions. Tombo and the
> Archivo Regional da Madeira are no where near where Family Search is right
> now.
>
> There's no need to compare lists, just go to the site that has what you're
> looking for. Not all parishes are available yet but a decent amount are.
>
> Denise D'Antona
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
> To: azores <azores@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, May 16, 2017 4:07 pm
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research
>
> It's very clear on Tombo.pt that Madeira is not all there. I don't have
> the time to sit down and compare the records that Tombo.pt is catching from
> the ABM (Madeira's CCA site) to the records that Family Search is doing.
> I'll leave that to someone who researches Madeira. Cheri
> On May 16, 2017 12:46 PM, "Marilyn Thompson" <mari...@jmtmlt.com> wrote:
>
> If you click on each link then scroll down a little you will see a camera.
> Click on that and the digital images for that time period will come up.
>
> I have no idea if all of the records for Madeira are there or not. It
> looks like many are.  Family History Library link below:
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20;
> placeId=133722=%2Bplace%3A%22Portugal%2C%20Madeira%20(
> ilha)%22=332081-50
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Marilyn
>
>
>
>
> 2017-05-16 13:41 GMT-06:00 Marilyn Thompson <mari...@jmtmlt.com>:
>
> I just pulled up the catalog. This is the listing for Church Records
>
>1. Registros paroquiais, 1538-1911
><https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/39378>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Assunção (Funchal, Funchal)
>Add
>2. Registros paroquiais, 1539-1910
><https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/16673>
>Author: Igreja Católica. São Bento (Ribeira Brava, Funchal)
>Add
>3. Registros paroquiais, 1539-1910
><https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/16770>
>Author: Igreja Católica. São Salvador (Santa Cruz, Funchal)
>Add
>4. Registros paroquiais, 1539-1910
><https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/125244>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Santo Antão (Caniço, Funchal)
>Add
>5. Registros paroquiais, 1539-1914
><https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/124739>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Espírito Santo (Calheta, Funchal)
>Add
>6. Registros paroquiais, 1542-1911
><https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/125588>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Natividade (Faial, Funchal)
>Add
>7. Registros paroquiais, 1557-1950
><https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/126460>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Santo António (Santo António, Funchal)
>Add
>8. Registros paroquiais, 1560-1910
><https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/39752>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Luz (Gaula, Funchal)
>Add
>9. Registros paroquiais, 1562-1911
><https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/125402>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Graça (Estreito de Câmara de
>Lobos, Funchal)
>Add
>10. Registros paroquiais, 1565-1911
><https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/39957>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Luz (Ponta do Sol, Funchal)
>Add
>11. Registros paroquiais, 1568-1911
><https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/17173>
>Author: Igreja Católica. São Gonçalo (São Gonçalo, Funchal)
>Add

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

[Maria Lima]

I've received so much help from all of you on this great List and I want to 
thank you.  Now, I'm so looking forward to seeing if I can help this friend and 
share her excitement as we find her ancestors.  



Maria Elena 

> On May 16, 2017, at 3:36 PM, 'Denise' via Azores Genealogy 
> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Maria Elena, 
> 
> Yes there is a Madeira email list like this one. The email is 
> prt-made...@rootsweb.com. I believe if you send an email to that address 
> saying SUBSCRIBE it should get you on the list. In the meantime, the way 
> Erica explained how to view the Madeira films on line at FamilySearch.org is 
> the best way of doing it, just follow her instructions. Tombo and the Archivo 
> Regional da Madeira are no where near where Family Search is right now. 
> 
> There's no need to compare lists, just go to the site that has what you're 
> looking for. Not all parishes are available yet but a decent amount are.
> 
> Denise D'Antona
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
> To: azores <azores@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, May 16, 2017 4:07 pm
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research
> 
> It's very clear on Tombo.pt that Madeira is not all there. I don't have the 
> time to sit down and compare the records that Tombo.pt is catching from the 
> ABM (Madeira's CCA site) to the records that Family Search is doing. I'll 
> leave that to someone who researches Madeira. Cheri
> On May 16, 2017 12:46 PM, "Marilyn Thompson" <mari...@jmtmlt.com> wrote:
> If you click on each link then scroll down a little you will see a camera. 
> Click on that and the digital images for that time period will come up. 
> 
> I have no idea if all of the records for Madeira are there or not. It looks 
> like many are.  Family History Library link below:
> 
> 
> https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20=133722=%2Bplace%3A%22Portugal%2C%20Madeira%20(ilha)%22=332081-50
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Marilyn
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 2017-05-16 13:41 GMT-06:00 Marilyn Thompson <mari...@jmtmlt.com>:
> I just pulled up the catalog. This is the listing for Church Records
> Registros paroquiais, 1538-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Assunção (Funchal, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1539-1910
> Author:   Igreja Católica. São Bento (Ribeira Brava, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1539-1910
> Author:   Igreja Católica. São Salvador (Santa Cruz, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1539-1910
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Santo Antão (Caniço, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1539-1914
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Espírito Santo (Calheta, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1542-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Natividade (Faial, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1557-1950
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Santo António (Santo António, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1560-1910
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Luz (Gaula, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1562-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Graça (Estreito de Câmara de 
> Lobos, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1565-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Luz (Ponta do Sol, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1568-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. São Gonçalo (São Gonçalo, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1568-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. São Pedro (Funchal, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1568-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Santa Ana (Santana, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1570-1910
> Author:   Igreja Católica. São Sebastião (Câmara de Lobos, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1571-1910
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Santa Beatriz (Água de Pena, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1571-1959
> Author:   Igreja Católica. São João Batista (Fajã da Ovelha, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1572-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Conceição (Porto Moniz, 
> Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1577-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Guadalupe (Porto da Cruz, 
> Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1577-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. Senhor Bom Jesus (Ponta Delgada, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1579-1911
> Author:   Igreja Católica. São Martinho (São Martinho, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1579-1941
> Author:   Igreja Católica. São João Batista (Fajã da Ovelha, Funchal)
> Add
> Registros paroquiais, 1587-1911
> Author:   Igrej

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

['Denise' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Maria Elena, 


Yes there is a Madeira email list like this one. The email is 
prt-made...@rootsweb.com. I believe if you send an email to that address saying 
SUBSCRIBE it should get you on the list. In the meantime, the way Erica 
explained how to view the Madeira films on line at FamilySearch.org is the best 
way of doing it, just follow her instructions. Tombo and the Archivo Regional 
da Madeira are no where near where Family Search is right now. 


There's no need to compare lists, just go to the site that has what you're 
looking for. Not all parishes are available yet but a decent amount are.


Denise D'Antona



-Original Message-
From: Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
To: azores <azores@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, May 16, 2017 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research



It's very clear on Tombo.pt that Madeira is not all there. I don't have the 
time to sit down and compare the records that Tombo.pt is catching from the ABM 
(Madeira's CCA site) to the records that Family Search is doing. I'll leave 
that to someone who researches Madeira. Cheri
On May 16, 2017 12:46 PM, "Marilyn Thompson" <mari...@jmtmlt.com> wrote:

If you click on each link then scroll down a little you will see a camera. 
Click on that and the digital images for that time period will come up. 


I have no idea if all of the records for Madeira are there or not. It looks 
like many are.  Family History Library link below:




https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20=133722=%2Bplace%3A%22Portugal%2C%20Madeira%20(ilha)%22=332081-50



Hope this helps


Marilyn




 



2017-05-16 13:41 GMT-06:00 Marilyn Thompson <mari...@jmtmlt.com>:

I just pulled up the catalog. This is the listing for Church Records


Registros paroquiais, 1538-1911


Author:
Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Assunção (Funchal, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1539-1910


Author:
Igreja Católica. São Bento (Ribeira Brava, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1539-1910


Author:
Igreja Católica. São Salvador (Santa Cruz, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1539-1910


Author:
Igreja Católica. Santo Antão (Caniço, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1539-1914


Author:
Igreja Católica. Espírito Santo (Calheta, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1542-1911


Author:
Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Natividade (Faial, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1557-1950


Author:
Igreja Católica. Santo António (Santo António, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1560-1910


Author:
Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Luz (Gaula, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1562-1911


Author:
Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Graça (Estreito de Câmara de Lobos, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1565-1911


Author:
Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Luz (Ponta do Sol, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1568-1911


Author:
Igreja Católica. São Gonçalo (São Gonçalo, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1568-1911


Author:
Igreja Católica. São Pedro (Funchal, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1568-1911


Author:
Igreja Católica. Santa Ana (Santana, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1570-1910


Author:
Igreja Católica. São Sebastião (Câmara de Lobos, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1571-1910


Author:
Igreja Católica. Santa Beatriz (Água de Pena, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1571-1959


Author:
Igreja Católica. São João Batista (Fajã da Ovelha, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1572-1911


Author:
Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Conceição (Porto Moniz, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1577-1911


Author:
Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Guadalupe (Porto da Cruz, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1577-1911


Author:
Igreja Católica. Senhor Bom Jesus (Ponta Delgada, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1579-1911


Author:
Igreja Católica. São Martinho (São Martinho, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1579-1941


Author:
Igreja Católica. São João Batista (Fajã da Ovelha, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1587-1911


Author:
Igreja Católica. São Roque (São Roque, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1587-1911


Author:
Igreja Católica. Santíssima Trindade (Tábua, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1589-1911


Author:
Igreja Católica. Santa Maria Madalena (Madalena do Mar, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1590-1911


Author:
Igreja Católica. São Sebastião (Caniçal, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1591-1911


Author:
Igreja Católica. São Vicente (São Vicente, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1592-1911


Author:
Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Piedade (Canhas, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1592-1911


Author:
Igreja Católica. São Brás (Arco da Calheta, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1596-1911


Author:
Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Graça (Estreito da Calheta, Funchal)


Add


Registros paroquiais, 1598-1911


Author:
Igreja Católica. São Brás (Campanário, Fun

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

[Cheri Mello]

It's very clear on Tombo.pt that Madeira is not all there. I don't have the
time to sit down and compare the records that Tombo.pt is catching from the
ABM (Madeira's CCA site) to the records that Family Search is doing. I'll
leave that to someone who researches Madeira. Cheri
On May 16, 2017 12:46 PM, "Marilyn Thompson"  wrote:

> If you click on each link then scroll down a little you will see a camera.
> Click on that and the digital images for that time period will come up.
>
> I have no idea if all of the records for Madeira are there or not. It
> looks like many are.  Family History Library link below:
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=
> 20=133722=%2Bplace%3A%22Portugal%2C%20Madeira%20(ilha)%22&
> subjectsOpen=332081-50
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Marilyn
>
>
>
>
> 2017-05-16 13:41 GMT-06:00 Marilyn Thompson :
>
>> I just pulled up the catalog. This is the listing for Church Records
>>
>>1. Registros paroquiais, 1538-1911
>>
>>Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Assunção (Funchal, Funchal)
>>Add
>>2. Registros paroquiais, 1539-1910
>>
>>Author: Igreja Católica. São Bento (Ribeira Brava, Funchal)
>>Add
>>3. Registros paroquiais, 1539-1910
>>
>>Author: Igreja Católica. São Salvador (Santa Cruz, Funchal)
>>Add
>>4. Registros paroquiais, 1539-1910
>>
>>Author: Igreja Católica. Santo Antão (Caniço, Funchal)
>>Add
>>5. Registros paroquiais, 1539-1914
>>
>>Author: Igreja Católica. Espírito Santo (Calheta, Funchal)
>>Add
>>6. Registros paroquiais, 1542-1911
>>
>>Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Natividade (Faial, Funchal)
>>Add
>>7. Registros paroquiais, 1557-1950
>>
>>Author: Igreja Católica. Santo António (Santo António, Funchal)
>>Add
>>8. Registros paroquiais, 1560-1910
>>
>>Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Luz (Gaula, Funchal)
>>Add
>>9. Registros paroquiais, 1562-1911
>>
>>Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Graça (Estreito de Câmara
>>de Lobos, Funchal)
>>Add
>>10. Registros paroquiais, 1565-1911
>>
>>Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Luz (Ponta do Sol, Funchal)
>>Add
>>11. Registros paroquiais, 1568-1911
>>
>>Author: Igreja Católica. São Gonçalo (São Gonçalo, Funchal)
>>Add
>>12. Registros paroquiais, 1568-1911
>>
>>Author: Igreja Católica. São Pedro (Funchal, Funchal)
>>Add
>>13. Registros paroquiais, 1568-1911
>>
>>Author: Igreja Católica. Santa Ana (Santana, Funchal)
>>Add
>>14. Registros paroquiais, 1570-1910
>>
>>Author: Igreja Católica. São Sebastião (Câmara de Lobos, Funchal)
>>Add
>>15. Registros paroquiais, 1571-1910
>>
>>Author: Igreja Católica. Santa Beatriz (Água de Pena, Funchal)
>>Add
>>16. Registros paroquiais, 1571-1959
>>
>>Author: Igreja Católica. São João Batista (Fajã da Ovelha, Funchal)
>>Add
>>17. Registros paroquiais, 1572-1911
>>
>>Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Conceição (Porto Moniz,
>>Funchal)
>>Add
>>18. Registros paroquiais, 1577-1911
>>
>>Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Guadalupe (Porto da Cruz,
>>Funchal)
>>Add
>>19. Registros paroquiais, 1577-1911
>>
>>Author: Igreja Católica. Senhor Bom Jesus (Ponta Delgada, Funchal)
>>Add
>>20. Registros paroquiais, 1579-1911
>>
>>Author: Igreja Católica. São Martinho (São Martinho, Funchal)
>>Add
>>21. Registros paroquiais, 1579-1941
>>
>>Author: Igreja Católica. São João Batista (Fajã da Ovelha, Funchal)
>>Add
>>22. Registros paroquiais, 1587-1911
>>
>>Author: Igreja Católica. São Roque (São Roque, Funchal)
>>Add
>>23. Registros paroquiais, 1587-1911
>>
>>Author: Igreja 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

[Marilyn Thompson]

If you click on each link then scroll down a little you will see a camera.
Click on that and the digital images for that time period will come up.

I have no idea if all of the records for Madeira are there or not. It looks
like many are.  Family History Library link below:


https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20=133722=%2Bplace%3A%22Portugal%2C%20Madeira%20(ilha)%22=332081-50

Hope this helps

Marilyn




2017-05-16 13:41 GMT-06:00 Marilyn Thompson :

> I just pulled up the catalog. This is the listing for Church Records
>
>1. Registros paroquiais, 1538-1911
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Assunção (Funchal, Funchal)
>Add
>2. Registros paroquiais, 1539-1910
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. São Bento (Ribeira Brava, Funchal)
>Add
>3. Registros paroquiais, 1539-1910
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. São Salvador (Santa Cruz, Funchal)
>Add
>4. Registros paroquiais, 1539-1910
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Santo Antão (Caniço, Funchal)
>Add
>5. Registros paroquiais, 1539-1914
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Espírito Santo (Calheta, Funchal)
>Add
>6. Registros paroquiais, 1542-1911
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Natividade (Faial, Funchal)
>Add
>7. Registros paroquiais, 1557-1950
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Santo António (Santo António, Funchal)
>Add
>8. Registros paroquiais, 1560-1910
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Luz (Gaula, Funchal)
>Add
>9. Registros paroquiais, 1562-1911
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Graça (Estreito de Câmara de
>Lobos, Funchal)
>Add
>10. Registros paroquiais, 1565-1911
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Luz (Ponta do Sol, Funchal)
>Add
>11. Registros paroquiais, 1568-1911
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. São Gonçalo (São Gonçalo, Funchal)
>Add
>12. Registros paroquiais, 1568-1911
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. São Pedro (Funchal, Funchal)
>Add
>13. Registros paroquiais, 1568-1911
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Santa Ana (Santana, Funchal)
>Add
>14. Registros paroquiais, 1570-1910
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. São Sebastião (Câmara de Lobos, Funchal)
>Add
>15. Registros paroquiais, 1571-1910
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Santa Beatriz (Água de Pena, Funchal)
>Add
>16. Registros paroquiais, 1571-1959
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. São João Batista (Fajã da Ovelha, Funchal)
>Add
>17. Registros paroquiais, 1572-1911
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Conceição (Porto Moniz,
>Funchal)
>Add
>18. Registros paroquiais, 1577-1911
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Guadalupe (Porto da Cruz,
>Funchal)
>Add
>19. Registros paroquiais, 1577-1911
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Senhor Bom Jesus (Ponta Delgada, Funchal)
>Add
>20. Registros paroquiais, 1579-1911
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. São Martinho (São Martinho, Funchal)
>Add
>21. Registros paroquiais, 1579-1941
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. São João Batista (Fajã da Ovelha, Funchal)
>Add
>22. Registros paroquiais, 1587-1911
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. São Roque (São Roque, Funchal)
>Add
>23. Registros paroquiais, 1587-1911
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Santíssima Trindade (Tábua, Funchal)
>Add
>24. Registros paroquiais, 1589-1911
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. Santa Maria Madalena (Madalena do Mar,
>Funchal)
>Add
>25. Registros paroquiais, 1590-1911
>
>Author: Igreja Católica. São Sebastião (Caniçal, Funchal)
>Add
>26. Registros paroquiais, 1591-1911
>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

[Marilyn Thompson]

I just pulled up the catalog. This is the listing for Church Records

   1. Registros paroquiais, 1538-1911
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Assunção (Funchal, Funchal)
   Add
   2. Registros paroquiais, 1539-1910
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. São Bento (Ribeira Brava, Funchal)
   Add
   3. Registros paroquiais, 1539-1910
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. São Salvador (Santa Cruz, Funchal)
   Add
   4. Registros paroquiais, 1539-1910
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. Santo Antão (Caniço, Funchal)
   Add
   5. Registros paroquiais, 1539-1914
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. Espírito Santo (Calheta, Funchal)
   Add
   6. Registros paroquiais, 1542-1911
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Natividade (Faial, Funchal)
   Add
   7. Registros paroquiais, 1557-1950
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. Santo António (Santo António, Funchal)
   Add
   8. Registros paroquiais, 1560-1910
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Luz (Gaula, Funchal)
   Add
   9. Registros paroquiais, 1562-1911
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Graça (Estreito de Câmara de
   Lobos, Funchal)
   Add
   10. Registros paroquiais, 1565-1911
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Luz (Ponta do Sol, Funchal)
   Add
   11. Registros paroquiais, 1568-1911
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. São Gonçalo (São Gonçalo, Funchal)
   Add
   12. Registros paroquiais, 1568-1911
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. São Pedro (Funchal, Funchal)
   Add
   13. Registros paroquiais, 1568-1911
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. Santa Ana (Santana, Funchal)
   Add
   14. Registros paroquiais, 1570-1910
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. São Sebastião (Câmara de Lobos, Funchal)
   Add
   15. Registros paroquiais, 1571-1910
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. Santa Beatriz (Água de Pena, Funchal)
   Add
   16. Registros paroquiais, 1571-1959
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. São João Batista (Fajã da Ovelha, Funchal)
   Add
   17. Registros paroquiais, 1572-1911
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Conceição (Porto Moniz,
   Funchal)
   Add
   18. Registros paroquiais, 1577-1911
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Guadalupe (Porto da Cruz,
   Funchal)
   Add
   19. Registros paroquiais, 1577-1911
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. Senhor Bom Jesus (Ponta Delgada, Funchal)
   Add
   20. Registros paroquiais, 1579-1911
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. São Martinho (São Martinho, Funchal)
   Add
   21. Registros paroquiais, 1579-1941
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. São João Batista (Fajã da Ovelha, Funchal)
   Add
   22. Registros paroquiais, 1587-1911
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. São Roque (São Roque, Funchal)
   Add
   23. Registros paroquiais, 1587-1911
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. Santíssima Trindade (Tábua, Funchal)
   Add
   24. Registros paroquiais, 1589-1911
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. Santa Maria Madalena (Madalena do Mar, Funchal)
   Add
   25. Registros paroquiais, 1590-1911
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. São Sebastião (Caniçal, Funchal)
   Add
   26. Registros paroquiais, 1591-1911
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. São Vicente (São Vicente, Funchal)
   Add
   27. Registros paroquiais, 1592-1911
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Piedade (Canhas, Funchal)
   Add
   28. Registros paroquiais, 1592-1911
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. São Brás (Arco da Calheta, Funchal)
   Add
   29. Registros paroquiais, 1596-1911
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. Nossa Senhora da Graça (Estreito da Calheta,
   Funchal)
   Add
   30. Registros paroquiais, 1598-1911
   
   Author: Igreja Católica. São 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

[Cheri Mello]

I'm not so sure about that.

Tombo.pt shows only 975 Madeira records digitized by the Madeiran
government so far, with more to go. Family Search has 50? Someone needs to
sit down and compare the two. Are they counting books? Parishes? Or what?

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 12:16 PM, Erica Botelho <
audiosource...@qwestoffice.net> wrote:

> Familysearch.com has just digitized almost all of their Madeira records.
> You can access them through searching their "catalog". Type in the place
> "Madeira, Portugal" and "search".  Then choose the option of "church
> records - 50 items".  This will bring you to a list of all of the
> freguesias of Madeira.  Pick your freguesia and click on it. That will
> bring up a list of all the records they have.  If the icon to the right is
> a camera, then you can click on that link and look through them.  If the
> icon is a film reel, then those records are not uploaded to the internet
> yet and only available through ordering them directly.
> If you have any other questions, you can email me directly  audiosourceinc
> at qwestoffice.net
> Erica Botelho
>
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Maria Lima
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:49 AM
> To: AZORES
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research
>
> A friend asked me for help on his wife's Madeira ancestry. I'd like to
> help with reading the records for them but I'm not sure the records are
> online like the Azores.  I'm not even sure yet if there's more than one
> island - sorry to admit in public - I'm just starting to explore how I can
> help them.
>
> Is there an equivalent list for Madeira like this one?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

[Maria Lima]

Wow Erica!!  Thank you.  Now I'm really eager to help this person with their 
research.  Great to know records are online.  Sweet news

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 2:16 PM, Erica Botelho  
> wrote:
> 
> Familysearch.com has just digitized almost all of their Madeira records.  You 
> can access them through searching their "catalog". Type in the place 
> "Madeira, Portugal" and "search".  Then choose the option of "church records 
> - 50 items".  This will bring you to a list of all of the freguesias of 
> Madeira.  Pick your freguesia and click on it. That will bring up a list of 
> all the records they have.  If the icon to the right is a camera, then you 
> can click on that link and look through them.  If the icon is a film reel, 
> then those records are not uploaded to the internet yet and only available 
> through ordering them directly.
> If you have any other questions, you can email me directly  audiosourceinc at 
> qwestoffice.net
> Erica Botelho
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Maria Lima
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:49 AM
> To: AZORES
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research
> 
> A friend asked me for help on his wife's Madeira ancestry. I'd like to help 
> with reading the records for them but I'm not sure the records are online 
> like the Azores.  I'm not even sure yet if there's more than one island - 
> sorry to admit in public - I'm just starting to explore how I can help them. 
> 
> Is there an equivalent list for Madeira like this one? 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Maria Elena 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

[Erica Botelho]

Familysearch.com has just digitized almost all of their Madeira records.  You 
can access them through searching their "catalog". Type in the place "Madeira, 
Portugal" and "search".  Then choose the option of "church records - 50 items". 
 This will bring you to a list of all of the freguesias of Madeira.  Pick your 
freguesia and click on it. That will bring up a list of all the records they 
have.  If the icon to the right is a camera, then you can click on that link 
and look through them.  If the icon is a film reel, then those records are not 
uploaded to the internet yet and only available through ordering them directly.
If you have any other questions, you can email me directly  audiosourceinc at 
qwestoffice.net
Erica Botelho

-Original Message-
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Maria Lima
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:49 AM
To: AZORES
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

A friend asked me for help on his wife's Madeira ancestry. I'd like to help 
with reading the records for them but I'm not sure the records are online like 
the Azores.  I'm not even sure yet if there's more than one island - sorry to 
admit in public - I'm just starting to explore how I can help them. 

Is there an equivalent list for Madeira like this one? 

Thanks,

Maria Elena 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

[Maria Lima]

CHERI- thank you so much for all that info.  I've been trying to find the List 
on Cindi's List and I couldn't and then I saw your email.  I'm so grateful for 
how you bless our lives with sharing your knowledge.  Thank you

Maria Elena 

> On May 15, 2017, at 11:47 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Madeira is digitizing their records too. Their site is called the ABM and you 
> can access it through Tombo.pt. However, I think the ABM is down at the 
> moment.
> 
> Madeira has only 2 islands: Madeira, (about the same population as Sao 
> Miguel) and Porto Santo.
> 
> The Madeira list is run by Luis Beal and it is housed at Rootweb. You can 
> find the archives and join instructions here:
> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/PRT/PRT-MADEIRA.html
> 
> Cheri
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Maria Lima  wrote:
>> A friend asked me for help on his wife's Madeira ancestry. I'd like to help 
>> with reading the records for them but I'm not sure the records are online 
>> like the Azores.  I'm not even sure yet if there's more than one island - 
>> sorry to admit in public - I'm just starting to explore how I can help them.
>> 
>> Is there an equivalent list for Madeira like this one?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Maria Elena
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Madeira research

[Cheri Mello]

Madeira is digitizing their records too. Their site is called the ABM and
you can access it through Tombo.pt. However, I think the ABM is down at the
moment.

Madeira has only 2 islands: Madeira, (about the same population as Sao
Miguel) and Porto Santo.

The Madeira list is run by Luis Beal and it is housed at Rootweb. You can
find the archives and join instructions here:
http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/PRT/PRT-MADEIRA.html

Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Maria Lima  wrote:

> A friend asked me for help on his wife's Madeira ancestry. I'd like to
> help with reading the records for them but I'm not sure the records are
> online like the Azores.  I'm not even sure yet if there's more than one
> island - sorry to admit in public - I'm just starting to explore how I can
> help them.
>
> Is there an equivalent list for Madeira like this one?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maria Elena
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on the father in this marriage record for Andres Soares and Antonia de Oliveira

[Cathy Bourgeois]

Ok, thank you very much...I'm always learning new things from this group!

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> "digo" means "I meant to say," basically, an oops. Just blame the vinho.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Cathy Bourgeois <
> cathybourgeois1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Need some help on this record:
>>
>> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOPEDRO-C-1577-1730/SMG-VF-SAOPEDRO-C-1577-1730_item1/P145.html
>> *
>>
>> Are there two fathers listing for Andre?  Manuel and Sebastio?  Why is
>> that?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Cathy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on the father in this marriage record for Andres Soares and Antonia de Oliveira

[Cheri Mello]

"digo" means "I meant to say," basically, an oops. Just blame the vinho.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Cathy Bourgeois <
cathybourgeois1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Need some help on this record:
>
> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOPEDRO-C-1577-1730/SMG-VF-SAOPEDRO-C-1577-1730_item1/P145.html
> *
>
> Are there two fathers listing for Andre?  Manuel and Sebastio?  Why is
> that?
>
> Thanks,
> Cathy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about baptism wording

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Eddie,


I noticed your Antonio Pedroza Borba Jr...I have Alferes Antonio Pedroso de 
Borba but mine is much earlier...he married in 1701the family connects to 
Norte Pequeno, Calheta, Norte Grande and Topothey're all over that end of 
Sao Jorge


Perhaps an ancestor of yours.


Regards,

Nancy Jean


From: azores@googlegroups.com <azores@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Eddie 
Machado <avidedito...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:32:27 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about baptism wording

Thanks, Cheri, I couldn't read disposada. So they were engaged for a long time 
and had at least 3 kids while not married. The link below is my 2x great 
grandmother's baptism.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1839-1854/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1839-1854_item1/P137.html

What was the month that Joam was born in the first link  I had? I though it 
said the 6 day of the month of April in the year 1844.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on ethnic profile

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, you are correct. It has to do with their sample populations that you
are compared against, so everyone will have different percentages at the
different companies.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 8:42 PM, George Medeiros 
wrote:

> I had my autosomal DNA done with Ancestry DNA and Family Tree.
> The ethnic profiles have similarities but the percentages are different.
> In Family Tree I have 0 % for some ethnic groups that I have trace amounts
> and / or larger percentages in Ancestry DNA.I am certain I am part of a few
> ethnic groups that Family Tree says I have < 2% while Ancestry says the
> range is from 2% to 4 %. Can anyone explain this to me ? Does this have to
> do with the control groups used to determine the ethnic profiles? George
> Medeiros
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