Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal
Joao, The front page article sounds like a great idea, I suspect some people in Portugal will read what Genetic Genealogy can do for them specifically for the first time. Also I think a good selling point for FTDNA in Portugal is that there already are Portuguese samples to compare to 1000+ Y-DNA and 800+ mtDNA. Antonio Faria -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal
My goal Doug is through DNA to obtain clues about the ancestral Village, Town or City of my ancestors prior to settling in the Azores I predict interest will increase in this area and there will be some format to share and discuss this information with others that are interested. I have some good clues already that indicate that my direct paternal ancestor that settled on Pico in the 1500's was from Porto, it is important that more people of Azorean ancestry test to give us more clues but we will get a clearer picture when more Portuguese from the Mainland test On Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:33:01 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Antonio, Your point is excellent. I have a cousin of a cousin by marriage (if you can follow that one!) who did Y-DNA testing and has no matches from his mainland Portuguese ancestry. Of course, it's no surprise. But if we are to have any chance at finding family connections to mainland people, DNA is the only way. I will point this out in the Portuguese Genealogy group on Facebook, where we have about 250 or so members and growing (but not growing as fast as the Azores group) and I think it could have some impact. Similarly, I recently was invited to join a Facebook group of people with Madalena, Pico ancestry and found I am related to them all (over 100 members of that group) and slowly working on convincing them to test. The answer is always to get more to test, so that's what I work on. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal From: A Faria antoni...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Sat, October 18, 2014 3:54 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: That's too bad about the Portugal DNA project, I realize that the biggest chunk of FTDNA samples are from North America there is a good sized Continental Portuguese community in the US in New Jersey, New York . There is a lot of potential samples there. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal
Antonio,I share your goal.I spent last night writing an article about this conversation and topic. I will submit it to a Portuguese newspaper and hope they decide to use it. That will surely help our cause.I can send you the article if you like.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com Date: Sun, October 19, 2014 8:58 am To: azores@googlegroups.com Cc: antoniof1...@gmail.com My goal Doug is through DNA to obtain clues about the ancestral Village, Town or City of my ancestors prior to settling in the Azores I predict interest will increase in this area and there will be some format to share and discuss this information with others that are interested. I have some good clues already that indicate that my direct paternal ancestor that settled on Pico in the 1500's was from Porto, it is important that more people of Azorean ancestry test to give us more clues but we will get a clearer picture when more Portuguese from the Mainland testOn Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:33:01 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:Antonio,Your point is excellent.I have a cousin of a cousin by marriage (if you can follow that one!) who did Y-DNA testing and has no matches from his mainland Portuguese ancestry. Of course, it's no surprise. But if we are to have any chance at finding family connections to mainland people, DNA is the only way. I will point this out in the Portuguese Genealogy group on Facebook, where we have about 250 or so members and growing (but not growing as fast as the Azores group) and I think it could have some impact.Similarly, I recently was invited to join a Facebook group of people with Madalena, Pico ancestry and found I am related to them all (over 100 members of that group) and slowly working on convincing them to test.The answer is always to get more to test, so that's what I work on.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal
Antonio, You could get the Beleza study and see if that is helpful. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal
Sure I would like to see your article. I think people will become more comfortable with DNA testing over time it is already is a household word there is even an ad on TV now for some headphones called DNA. DNA testing for those interested in genealogy is catching on rather quickly now, perhaps a little slower in the Portuguese community because our people tend to save their money and aren't likely to spend on DNA testing unless they understand the benefits. On Sunday, October 19, 2014 9:40:30 AM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Antonio, I share your goal. I spent last night writing an article about this conversation and topic. I will submit it to a Portuguese newspaper and hope they decide to use it. That will surely help our cause. I can send you the article if you like. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal From: A Faria antoni...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Sun, October 19, 2014 8:58 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Cc: antoni...@gmail.com javascript: My goal Doug is through DNA to obtain clues about the ancestral Village, Town or City of my ancestors prior to settling in the Azores I predict interest will increase in this area and there will be some format to share and discuss this information with others that are interested. I have some good clues already that indicate that my direct paternal ancestor that settled on Pico in the 1500's was from Porto, it is important that more people of Azorean ancestry test to give us more clues but we will get a clearer picture when more Portuguese from the Mainland test On Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:33:01 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Antonio, Your point is excellent. I have a cousin of a cousin by marriage (if you can follow that one!) who did Y-DNA testing and has no matches from his mainland Portuguese ancestry. Of course, it's no surprise. But if we are to have any chance at finding family connections to mainland people, DNA is the only way. I will point this out in the Portuguese Genealogy group on Facebook, where we have about 250 or so members and growing (but not growing as fast as the Azores group) and I think it could have some impact. Similarly, I recently was invited to join a Facebook group of people with Madalena, Pico ancestry and found I am related to them all (over 100 members of that group) and slowly working on convincing them to test. The answer is always to get more to test, so that's what I work on. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal
Hi all, I may also help with my side of the plan.. Those that use tombo.pt must have seen the FTDNA link that I recently added to the left sidebar in the site. I'm an affiliate of FTDNA, meaning that any sales lead that I generate will earn me 5% of the 'sale'. That is, if you buy a test in FTDNA after following that link, and that test costs you $100, FTDNA pays me $5. I believe that any serious genealogist researching in Portugal visits my site several times per week. It's a bit different for the Azores (considering there's only 3 or 4 parishes remaining, and you get the news of their availability faster via this group), and Madeira (where there hasn't been any news to report in more than a year). I'm in the process of making a front-page article (in Portuguese) explaining what Genetic Genealogy is, with links back to FTDNA. It will both help me personally, as I'm 100% mainland and I have 1-2 significant FF matches, and financially (running the site costs money, not to mention the time I put in it). If it works, we should see some more matches popping up. João C. Ventura http://tombo.pt/en On Sunday, 19 October 2014 18:40:30 UTC+2, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Antonio, I share your goal. I spent last night writing an article about this conversation and topic. I will submit it to a Portuguese newspaper and hope they decide to use it. That will surely help our cause. I can send you the article if you like. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal From: A Faria antoni...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Sun, October 19, 2014 8:58 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Cc: antoni...@gmail.com javascript: My goal Doug is through DNA to obtain clues about the ancestral Village, Town or City of my ancestors prior to settling in the Azores I predict interest will increase in this area and there will be some format to share and discuss this information with others that are interested. I have some good clues already that indicate that my direct paternal ancestor that settled on Pico in the 1500's was from Porto, it is important that more people of Azorean ancestry test to give us more clues but we will get a clearer picture when more Portuguese from the Mainland test On Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:33:01 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Antonio, Your point is excellent. I have a cousin of a cousin by marriage (if you can follow that one!) who did Y-DNA testing and has no matches from his mainland Portuguese ancestry. Of course, it's no surprise. But if we are to have any chance at finding family connections to mainland people, DNA is the only way. I will point this out in the Portuguese Genealogy group on Facebook, where we have about 250 or so members and growing (but not growing as fast as the Azores group) and I think it could have some impact. Similarly, I recently was invited to join a Facebook group of people with Madalena, Pico ancestry and found I am related to them all (over 100 members of that group) and slowly working on convincing them to test. The answer is always to get more to test, so that's what I work on. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal
Cheri, I have looked at a link about the Beleza study but I haven't noticed the Y-DNA STR Markers listed. I have attached the link perhaps I'm missing something. Didn't realize that I could look at the STR Markers from the samples from that study. Perhaps someone is aware of a different link containing more detailed information. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1529-8817.2005.00221.x/full -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal
She co-authored several studies. Send me an email reminder directly to gfscherim at gmail.com in about a week. I'll see if I can find it. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal
Okay thanks I think that study has STR Marker results for 600 men from Mainland Portugal from various regions don't know how many markers they tested. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal
Congratulations on your affiliate status, Joao.I do hope it helps to generate both the money it takes to run a website and especially to get more people in Portugal to test their DNA.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal From: João_Ventura j...@venturas.org Date: Sun, October 19, 2014 2:16 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Cc: antoniof1...@gmail.com Hi all,I may also help with my side of the plan.. Those that use tombo.pt must have seen the FTDNA link that I recently added to the left sidebar in the site. I'm an affiliate of FTDNA, meaning that any sales lead that I generate will earn me 5% of the 'sale'. That is, if you buy a test in FTDNA after following that link, and that test costs you $100, FTDNA pays me $5. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal
Hi Antonio,Maybe you can clarify your question, but I know some have tested who have both Y and autosomal DNA coming from the mainland and whose ancestor was living in the Azores. But the person I'm thinking of was born in the middle 1800s.Maybe you are talking about end of line ancestors from the 1500s who then link to someone on the mainland and so far, for me, the answer is no.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com Date: Sat, October 18, 2014 12:07 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com I have taken several DNA tests mtDNA, Y-DNA and myOrigins and lack matches to mainland Portugal. I match one person from Lisbon through myOrigins but she has a verified Pereira ancestor from Castelo Branco, Faial born about 1700. My mtDNA(T2b-T16296C!) and Y-DNA(J-M319) sub-haplogroups however are also uncommon and myOrigins really wasn't designed to connect people that share a common ancestor 15-20 generations ago. My question is does anyone on this list have significant DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal? -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal
Doug, Basically I am most interested in Y-DNA and mtDNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal to get clues about the movement that occurred during the settlement process of the Azores . Very little of that history is recorded and I think DNA in the future will fill some of those gaps. On Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:58:38 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Hi Antonio, Maybe you can clarify your question, but I know some have tested who have both Y and autosomal DNA coming from the mainland and whose ancestor was living in the Azores. But the person I'm thinking of was born in the middle 1800s. Maybe you are talking about end of line ancestors from the 1500s who then link to someone on the mainland and so far, for me, the answer is no. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal From: A Faria antoni...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Sat, October 18, 2014 12:07 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: I have taken several DNA tests mtDNA, Y-DNA and myOrigins and lack matches to mainland Portugal. I match one person from Lisbon through myOrigins but she has a verified Pereira ancestor from Castelo Branco, Faial born about 1700. My mtDNA(T2b-T16296C!) and Y-DNA(J-M319) sub-haplogroups however are also uncommon and myOrigins really wasn't designed to connect people that share a common ancestor 15-20 generations ago. My question is does anyone on this list have significant DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal? -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal
My sole mtDNA match is to someone whose mother comes from a family in a region of central Portugal where they have lived for generations. Not sure if that's significant but it's all I have. Mary On Saturday, October 18, 2014, A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com wrote: I have taken several DNA tests mtDNA, Y-DNA and myOrigins and lack matches to mainland Portugal. I match one person from Lisbon through myOrigins but she has a verified Pereira ancestor from Castelo Branco, Faial born about 1700. My mtDNA(T2b-T16296C!) and Y-DNA(J-M319) sub-haplogroups however are also uncommon and myOrigins really wasn't designed to connect people that share a common ancestor 15-20 generations ago. My question is does anyone on this list have significant DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com');. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal
The Portugal DNA project is rather neglected. No one recruits participants for that project. Hard to make matches when there's no one to match to. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal
Thanks for sharing Mary, where in the Azores is your most distant maternal known ancestor from? Do you happen to know the name of the town in Portugal that mother of you match is from? On Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:56:20 PM UTC-7, Mary Bordi wrote: My sole mtDNA match is to someone whose mother comes from a family in a region of central Portugal where they have lived for generations. Not sure if that's significant but it's all I have. Mary On Saturday, October 18, 2014, A Faria antoni...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I have taken several DNA tests mtDNA, Y-DNA and myOrigins and lack matches to mainland Portugal. I match one person from Lisbon through myOrigins but she has a verified Pereira ancestor from Castelo Branco, Faial born about 1700. My mtDNA(T2b-T16296C!) and Y-DNA(J-M319) sub-haplogroups however are also uncommon and myOrigins really wasn't designed to connect people that share a common ancestor 15-20 generations ago. My question is does anyone on this list have significant DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal
That's too bad about the Portugal DNA project, I realize that the biggest chunk of FTDNA samples are from North America there is a good sized Continental Portuguese community in the US in New Jersey, New York . There is a lot of potential samples there. On Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:58:54 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: The Portugal DNA project is rather neglected. No one recruits participants for that project. Hard to make matches when there's no one to match to. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal
My cousins ms sister in law is having her father in law tested (he be d a descendant of one of the many Mrdoncs families of Graciosa). Not sure exactly which test they will doing though. Will check snd see what I can find out on yah at. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal
Antonio,Your point is excellent.I have a cousin of a cousin by marriage (if you can follow that one!) who did Y-DNA testing and has no matches from his mainland Portuguese ancestry. Of course, it's no surprise. But if we are to have any chance at finding family connections to mainland people, DNA is the only way. I will point this out in the Portuguese Genealogy group on Facebook, where we have about 250 or so members and growing (but not growing as fast as the Azores group) and I think it could have some impact.Similarly, I recently was invited to join a Facebook group of people with Madalena, Pico ancestry and found I am related to them all (over 100 members of that group) and slowly working on convincing them to test.The answer is always to get more to test, so that's what I work on.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com Date: Sat, October 18, 2014 3:54 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com That's too bad about the Portugal DNA project, I realize that the biggest chunk of FTDNA samples are from North America there is a good sized Continental Portuguese community in the US in New Jersey, New York . There is a lot of potential samples there. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico
Bob, I have a file on the Frederick Vincent Ambrose family. He was married three times. To Anna Souza in 1882, Mary A Silva in 1904, and Frances V in 1915. What are you looking for? I'l start a new thread for that family. I have many photographs that are likely his family. Eric Edgar On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 7:19 PM, rml...@gmail.com rml...@gmail.com wrote: Eric Do you have any additional information about this Frederick Ambrose and Anna Souza? Bob Luis On Monday, March 10, 2014 8:50:02 AM UTC-7, luiznoia wrote: JOSE ROSA DUARTE born 25 Feb 1884 in Madelena, Pico, Azores Islands, Portugal (Source: Shiplist Madonna 15 Oct 1913.), and died 30 Jul 1953 in Merced County, California. He married CAROLYN VINCENT, daughter of FREDERICK AMBROSE and ANNA SOUZA. She was born 03 Aug 1890 in California, and died 01 Sep 1942 in San Francisco, California Eric Edgar On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:32 AM, pi...@dholmes.com wrote: I often found Duarte from Faial. Is that their origin? Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico From: luiznoia . nobla...@gmail.com Date: Sun, March 09, 2014 3:33 pm To: Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com The Joseph Rose Duarte family had the ranch next door to my great grandparents in Atwater. My grandfather sold the family place to them about 1940. Many old studio portraits of their family ended up in our posession. This photos was in the box with them. They are still on the property and are partners in the D S sweet potato packing company. The S half the company, the Souza's make a sweet potato based spirit called Corbin Vodka. Eric Edgar -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico
I often found Duarte from Faial. Is that their origin?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico From: "luiznoia ." noblankt...@gmail.com Date: Sun, March 09, 2014 3:33 pm To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com The Joseph Rose Duarte family had the ranch next door to my great grandparents in Atwater. My grandfather sold the family place to them about 1940. Many old studio portraits of their family ended up in our posession. This photos was in the box with them. They are still on the property and are partners in the D S sweet potato packing company. The S half the company, the Souza's make a sweet potato based spirit called Corbin Vodka. Eric Edgar -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico
JOSE ROSA DUARTE born 25 Feb 1884 in Madelena, Pico, Azores Islands, Portugal (Source: Shiplist Madonna 15 Oct 1913.), and died 30 Jul 1953 in Merced County, California. He married CAROLYN VINCENT, daughter of FREDERICK AMBROSE and ANNA SOUZA. She was born 03 Aug 1890 in California, and died 01 Sep 1942 in San Francisco, California Eric Edgar On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:32 AM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: I often found Duarte from Faial. Is that their origin? Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico From: luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com Date: Sun, March 09, 2014 3:33 pm To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com The Joseph Rose Duarte family had the ranch next door to my great grandparents in Atwater. My grandfather sold the family place to them about 1940. Many old studio portraits of their family ended up in our posession. This photos was in the box with them. They are still on the property and are partners in the D S sweet potato packing company. The S half the company, the Souza's make a sweet potato based spirit called Corbin Vodka. Eric Edgar -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico
Eric Do you have any additional information about this Frederick Ambrose and Anna Souza? Bob Luis On Monday, March 10, 2014 8:50:02 AM UTC-7, luiznoia wrote: JOSE ROSA DUARTE born 25 Feb 1884 in Madelena, Pico, Azores Islands, Portugal (Source: Shiplist Madonna 15 Oct 1913.), and died 30 Jul 1953 in Merced County, California. He married CAROLYN VINCENT, daughter of FREDERICK AMBROSE and ANNA SOUZA. She was born 03 Aug 1890 in California, and died 01 Sep 1942 in San Francisco, California Eric Edgar On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:32 AM, pi...@dholmes.com javascript: wrote: I often found Duarte from Faial. Is that their origin? Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico From: luiznoia . nobla...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Sun, March 09, 2014 3:33 pm To: Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: The Joseph Rose Duarte family had the ranch next door to my great grandparents in Atwater. My grandfather sold the family place to them about 1940. Many old studio portraits of their family ended up in our posession. This photos was in the box with them. They are still on the property and are partners in the D S sweet potato packing company. The S half the company, the Souza's make a sweet potato based spirit called Corbin Vodka. Eric Edgar -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico
Very nice photo, Eric.Do you mean related to you somehow, or to Antonio?I just checked and found two new DNA matches for my father. It's been a while since I looked.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico From: "luiznoia ." noblankt...@gmail.com Date: Sun, March 09, 2014 11:51 am To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Antonio,This photo was sent to the Rosa Duarte family in Merced county, California around 1900. That family is originally from Pico. I have no idea who it is, but assume a relative. Eric EdgarOn Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Antonio Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com wrote: I have taken the family finder test match someone whose ancestors are from Mexico particularly from Nuevo Leon I am of 100% Portuguese ancestry and was actually born on Pico island. I know that it is well documented that Sehardic conversos settled in Mexico starting in the 1560's some were born in Portugal, the governor of that region was Luis de Carbajal Y Cueva a new Christian that was born in Mogodouro Portugal. I matched one 10cm strand but a total of 26 to my match. I would like to know if anyone else of Azorean ancestry has matches to Mexico. I also matched two people to Mexico from my y dna I am haplogroup J2a4d which is consistent with Jewish paternal ancestry. I can trace my paternal line on paper to Baltazar Vieira born in Sao Mateus Pico about 1580 I think he is descended from Joao Vieira that arrived on Pico Island about 1509. The Lisbon massacre occcured in 1506 and king Manuel I began authorizing new Christians to settle in the islands in 1507. My ancestors port of departure I believe was Porto Portugal. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico
I had my nephew take the Y-DNA test with FamilyTreeDNA. One of his 37 marker matches with a genetic distance of 4 has a Gedcom on the site. Most of the ancestors in the Gedcom during the 1700’s and late 1600’s are people who died in New Mexico. Most who were not born there do not show a birthplace. A few have names that could be Portuguese, Silva, Martin specifically, but a number of Spanish names that could be versions of Portuguese names, e.g., Mendoza. There are a few people who are shown as being from Spain or Mexico. My nephew is haplogroup J-M172. We also know of no origins except from the Azores or Portugual, however we have no information on the paternal side (Y-DNA) beyond his 2nd great grandfather. Not much to go on, but it is a connection to Mexico. Diane George From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Antonio Faria Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 9:48 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com; azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico I have taken the family finder test match someone whose ancestors are from Mexico particularly from Nuevo Leon I am of 100% Portuguese ancestry and was actually born on Pico island. I know that it is well documented that Sehardic conversos settled in Mexico starting in the 1560's some were born in Portugal, the governor of that region was Luis de Carbajal Y Cueva a new Christian that was born in Mogodouro Portugal. I matched one 10cm strand but a total of 26 to my match. I would like to know if anyone else of Azorean ancestry has matches to Mexico. I also matched two people to Mexico from my y dna I am haplogroup J2a4d which is consistent with Jewish paternal ancestry. I can trace my paternal line on paper to Baltazar Vieira born in Sao Mateus Pico about 1580 I think he is descended from Joao Vieira that arrived on Pico Island about 1509. The Lisbon massacre occcured in 1506 and king Manuel I began authorizing new Christians to settle in the islands in 1507. My ancestors port of departure I believe was Porto Portugal. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico
The Joseph Rose Duarte family had the ranch next door to my great grandparents in Atwater. My grandfather sold the family place to them about 1940. Many old studio portraits of their family ended up in our posession. This photos was in the box with them. They are still on the property and are partners in the D S sweet potato packing company. The S half the company, the Souza's make a sweet potato based spirit called Corbin Vodka. Eric Edgar On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 12:45 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: Very nice photo, Eric. Do you mean related to you somehow, or to Antonio? I just checked and found two new DNA matches for my father. It's been a while since I looked. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico From: luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com Date: Sun, March 09, 2014 11:51 am To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Antonio, This photo was sent to the Rosa Duarte family in Merced county, California around 1900. That family is originally from Pico. I have no idea who it is, but assume a relative. Eric Edgar On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Antonio Faria antoniof1...@gmail.comwrote: I have taken the family finder test match someone whose ancestors are from Mexico particularly from Nuevo Leon I am of 100% Portuguese ancestry and was actually born on Pico island. I know that it is well documented that Sehardic conversos settled in Mexico starting in the 1560's some were born in Portugal, the governor of that region was Luis de Carbajal Y Cueva a new Christian that was born in Mogodouro Portugal. I matched one 10cm strand but a total of 26 to my match. I would like to know if anyone else of Azorean ancestry has matches to Mexico. I also matched two people to Mexico from my y dna I am haplogroup J2a4d which is consistent with Jewish paternal ancestry. I can trace my paternal line on paper to Baltazar Vieira born in Sao Mateus Pico about 1580 I think he is descended from Joao Vieira that arrived on Pico Island about 1509. The Lisbon massacre occcured in 1506 and king Manuel I began authorizing new Christians to settle in the islands in 1507. My ancestors port of departure I believe was Porto Portugal. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico
There's a display problem with the Gedcom viewer at FTDNA for people who have uploaded within the past couple of months. The places won't display. The techs know. It's on their to do list. They are working really hard to get the new Population Finder rolled out. Then hopefully, they'll be able to do the Gedcom viewer. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico
Edited post for Ubirajara Jales de Lira, ubjales at gmail.com Hello Antonio. I've got several matches from the Azores therefore, I can say that I am from the Azores. I am Brazilian and I've got 3 matches in Mexico, at least. Maybe, more. I am descendant of Sephardic Jews. EDITED: Contact Ubirajara at the above email address to discuss your matches privately, off list. Ubirajara Jales de Lira On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 3:33 PM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: The Joseph Rose Duarte family had the ranch next door to my great grandparents in Atwater. My grandfather sold the family place to them about 1940. Many old studio portraits of their family ended up in our posession. This photos was in the box with them. They are still on the property and are partners in the D S sweet potato packing company. The S half the company, the Souza's make a sweet potato based spirit called Corbin Vodka. Eric Edgar On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 12:45 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: Very nice photo, Eric. Do you mean related to you somehow, or to Antonio? I just checked and found two new DNA matches for my father. It's been a while since I looked. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico From: luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com Date: Sun, March 09, 2014 11:51 am To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Antonio, This photo was sent to the Rosa Duarte family in Merced county, California around 1900. That family is originally from Pico. I have no idea who it is, but assume a relative. Eric Edgar On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Antonio Faria antoniof1...@gmail.comwrote: I have taken the family finder test match someone whose ancestors are from Mexico particularly from Nuevo Leon I am of 100% Portuguese ancestry and was actually born on Pico island. I know that it is well documented that Sehardic conversos settled in Mexico starting in the 1560's some were born in Portugal, the governor of that region was Luis de Carbajal Y Cueva a new Christian that was born in Mogodouro Portugal. I matched one 10cm strand but a total of 26 to my match. I would like to know if anyone else of Azorean ancestry has matches to Mexico. I also matched two people to Mexico from my y dna I am haplogroup J2a4d which is consistent with Jewish paternal ancestry. I can trace my paternal line on paper to Baltazar Vieira born in Sao Mateus Pico about 1580 I think he is descended from Joao Vieira that arrived on Pico Island about 1509. The Lisbon massacre occcured in 1506 and king Manuel I began authorizing new Christians to settle in the islands in 1507. My ancestors port of departure I believe was Porto Portugal. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches
Yes, it is possible for one brother to have a different mutation or value. You can think of mutations in terms of a copy machine. You want 25 copies. You get 25. Then next time you get 25. But another time you do it, the machine somehow gives you 24. That also happens when the chromosomes make copies. Bennett Greenspan, the founder of FTDNA originally tested his brothers. They were the same. Later, he tested his son who was 1 off. So Bennett finally tested himself and found out he was the mutant who passed it on to his son. Cheri Mello FTDNA Admin -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches
Thanks, Cheri, for the info. After so many years of searching which McNeal family my husband belonged to it is sure exciting to have found 3 cousins and we are all working together to further the research. The letter my mother in law left the family said her grandfather came home from the Civil War found out his wife had remarried and left but I found that was not the case. She remarried many years later. True he was captured at Missionary Ridge and went to Rock Island. When I finally found his father in the 1870 Alabama State Census, it said he had 2 sons that died in the war so I surmise he must have died going home from the prison as I did find when he was discharged from it. Thanks again. We all know I am no rocket scientist when it comes to DNA and to old to want to learn. E -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA MATCHES!
Judy, I got four results on my brother on Ancestry.com (he's the Azorian side). Only ONE wrote back and we're related from about 300 years ago. Even wrote to the other three again, but no replies. Maddening, isn't it? - Shirl - Recently got the results of my mtdna FMS test (also known as FGS or Coding Region). Have one match so far and we were able to find the link in one day! Also have found the link for a few family finder matches. Still looking for the link on a few others. Some matches haven't yet responded. If they would post a Gedcom, it would make it much easier when initially contacting them. I'm wondering how other members are doing on matching. Finding many links? Do you find that some people just don't respond? Are many members doing the dna tests? I'm enjoying working with people from all over to find out how we are related. Judy -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA MATCHES!
On Sep 15, 2012, at 8:43 AM, jt judy...@charter.net wrote: I'm wondering how other members are doing on matching. Finding many links? Do you find that some people just don't respond? Are many members doing the dna tests? I'm enjoying working with people from all over to find out how we are related. I had the mtdna test done a few years ago. The only match I have gotten is with a young man whose mother's family has lived in a certain area of Portugal for generations. Interestingly enough, he had visited the village in the Azores where my GGrandmother's family was from. He had no knowledge of anyone in his family having moved to the Azores. Of course, this match is likely very ancient. With the Family Finder I show relationships with several on this list but we have only confirmed one so far. The trouble is that Azoreans sometimes married Irish or other Europeans once they got to the US, which was the case in my family and some of my matches. So the connection could be there, too. I have confirmed a connected to several of my other European lines. Remember that some people are adopted and that's why they did the Family Finder and don't have a gedcom. This is the case with one person who linked me as a distant cousin. We are suggested as 4th cousins by the test. She had instructions that suggested adding herself as confirmed distant cousin to several suggested relationships to triangulate her identity. Imagine what it must be like to be unaware of your ethnicity and then be able to at least figure that out! I was offered a free family finder type test through Ancestry.com but have not been as successful there. I found one known 4th cousin on my non-Portuguese side. There's also a suggested link to someone with ancestors from the Azores but she didn't have info going very far back. Well, that's my experience. Mary Bordi -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA MATCHES!
Interesting how this dna works. All four of my grandparents are from the Azores but my family finder test has many matches with not only no Portuguese names in their gedcom but all the members of their trees are from other countries. I know one branch of my family has people from different areas of Europe but that is way back. FF is supposed to only be back 5 or 6 generations. Wonder what that means! Thx for sharing. Judy - Original Message - From: Mary Bordi geneal...@hununu.org To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA MATCHES! On Sep 15, 2012, at 8:43 AM, jt judy...@charter.net wrote: I'm wondering how other members are doing on matching. Finding many links? Do you find that some people just don't respond? Are many members doing the dna tests? I'm enjoying working with people from all over to find out how we are related. I had the mtdna test done a few years ago. The only match I have gotten is with a young man whose mother's family has lived in a certain area of Portugal for generations. Interestingly enough, he had visited the village in the Azores where my GGrandmother's family was from. He had no knowledge of anyone in his family having moved to the Azores. Of course, this match is likely very ancient. With the Family Finder I show relationships with several on this list but we have only confirmed one so far. The trouble is that Azoreans sometimes married Irish or other Europeans once they got to the US, which was the case in my family and some of my matches. So the connection could be there, too. I have confirmed a connected to several of my other European lines. Remember that some people are adopted and that's why they did the Family Finder and don't have a gedcom. This is the case with one person who linked me as a distant cousin. We are suggested as 4th cousins by the test. She had instructions that suggested adding herself as confirmed distant cousin to several suggested relationships to triangulate her identity. Imagine what it must be like to be unaware of your ethnicity and then be able to at least figure that out! I was offered a free family finder type test through Ancestry.com but have not been as successful there. I found one known 4th cousin on my non-Portuguese side. There's also a suggested link to someone with ancestors from the Azores but she didn't have info going very far back. Well, that's my experience. Mary Bordi -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches
HI Doreen, Well, I looked for any and all of those Teixeiras and I don’t have them in my lines. I have a Joao Machado Teixeira that is a Priest and one that was born middle to late 1700’s whose father is Bartholomeu Machado Teixeira Rosa Maria but they are not even my line. I sometimes just copy down info on certain couples because the names are so similar to one of mine and I don’t want to confuse the two couples! I have many Machado Teixeiras and always hope that someday they will connect. I should have just done what Joao Ventura has done and copy ALL of Norte Grande birth and marriages as I’ve been over the records so many, many times! Rosemarie From: rondo ranch Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 9:14 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com ; azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches Hi Rosemarie, I have a Joao Machado Teixeira born 6/20/1703 in Sao Mateus. His father was Simao Teixeira born 1675 in Topo, Sao Jorge and his mother is Isabel Machado of Sao Mateus, Teixeira. Simao's father was Antonio Teixeira and mother was Catarina Cardoso. Are any of these Teixeiras related to your Texeiras? Maybe this is the connection between Ken S. and myself?? Doreen Caetano-Jungk Original Message- From: rcapodc Sent: Aug 17, 2012 4:04 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches Hi Jack, I will try to show the relationship but I’m really not sure how to explain the relationship! First of all, Jorge Machado Teixeira Anna Machado Villalobos are my 6th great grandparents, Ken Silva’s and they are also Mary Bordi’s thru two different sons of this couple. The crazy thing is that it shows as 4th to remote to my cousin Ken who did the Family Finder for me and it doesn’t show on MY Family Finder test. I’m also 6th generation to Susan Vargas Murphy which shows on Ken’s but not mine! My only reasoning is that half of my DNA is from my Dad who is Italian and as Cheri has told us many times the DNA doesn’t shake down evenly. The GEDCOM that is up for myself and Ken Silva and Daniel Souza is all my family info and my contact info is on all three. The boys, both my cousins (Dan, 1st Ken about 3rd on one side and 2nd on another!) are not interested particularly in genealogy but agreed to test for me. Lisa Turrentine doesn’t know the connection as yet because she hasn’t gone back far enough on her lines. Hopefully she will get back another 3 or 4 and we will see a connection! I hope this helps some, I’m not real clear on why Ken has 5 pages of matches and I only have two except that he is Portuguese on both his Mom’s side (Souza Avila) and his Dad’s side which is NOT Silva but Silveira de Azevedo and his maternal grandma is a Teixeira. Rosemarie From: Joaquin Mendonca Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 12:54 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches Rosemarie, Will you please state what ftdna gave as the relationship and what the paper trail gives as the relationship? Joaquin Mendonca On 8/15/2012 8:45 PM, rcapodc wrote: I am so excited that I am matching some of our members on the Google Group! Lisa Turrentine and Mary Bordi both are coming up matching me. Lisa hasn’t found the connection as yet but Mary and I both descend from Jorge Machado Teixeira Ana Machado Villalobos of Norte Grande (early 1700’ ), Sao Jorge. Mary comes down from Jose Teixeira Machado and I come down from Sgt. Jorge Machado Teixeira. I have also had other matches that we have not found the connection to but when the others get back far enough in their research we will make it, I’m sure! Rosemarie Capodicci -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches
Hi Rosemarie, I have a Joao Machado Teixeira born 6/20/1703 in Sao Mateus. His father was Simao Teixeira born 1675 in Topo, Sao Jorge and his mother is Isabel Machado of Sao Mateus, Teixeira. Simao's father was Antonio Teixeira and mother was Catarina Cardoso. Are any of these Teixeiras related to your Texeiras? Maybe this is the connection between Ken S. and myself?? Doreen Caetano-Jungk Original Message- From: rcapodc <rcap...@redshift.com>Sent: Aug 17, 2012 4:04 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches Hi Jack, I will try to show the relationship but I’m really not sure how to explain the relationship! First of all, Jorge Machado Teixeira Anna Machado Villalobos are my 6th great grandparents, Ken Silva’s and they are also Mary Bordi’s thru two different sons of this couple. The crazy thing is that it shows as 4th to remote to my cousin Ken who did the Family Finder for me and it doesn’t show on MY Family Finder test. I’m also 6th generation to Susan Vargas Murphy which shows on Ken’s but not mine! My only reasoning is that half of my DNA is from my Dad who is Italian and as Cheri has told us many times the DNA doesn’t shake down evenly. The GEDCOM that is up for myself and Ken Silva and Daniel Souza is all my family info and my contact info is on all three. The boys, both my cousins (Dan, 1st Ken about 3rd on one side and 2nd on another!) are not interested particularly in genealogy but agreed to test for me. Lisa Turrentine doesn’t know the connection as yet because she hasn’t gone back far enough on her lines. Hopefully she will get back another 3 or 4 and we will see a connection! I hope this helps some, I’m not real clear on why Ken has 5 pages of matches and I only have two except that he is Portuguese on both his Mom’s side (Souza Avila) and his Dad’s side which is NOT Silva but Silveira de Azevedo and his maternal grandma is a Teixeira. Rosemarie From: Joaquin Mendonca Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 12:54 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches Rosemarie,Will you please state what ftdna gave as the relationship and what the paper trail gives as the relationship? Joaquin MendoncaOn 8/15/2012 8:45 PM, rcapodc wrote: I am so excited that I am matching some of our members on the Google Group! Lisa Turrentine and Mary Bordi both are coming up matching me. Lisa hasn’t found the connection as yet but Mary and I both descend from Jorge Machado Teixeira Ana Machado Villalobos of Norte Grande (early 1700’ ), Sao Jorge. Mary comes down from Jose Teixeira Machado and I come down from Sgt. Jorge Machado Teixeira. I have also had other matches that we have not found the connection to but when the others get back far enough in their research we will make it, I’m sure! Rosemarie Capodicci -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive.For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive.For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive.For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches
Rosemarie, Will you please state what ftdna gave as the relationship and what the paper trail gives as the relationship? Joaquin Mendonca On 8/15/2012 8:45 PM, rcapodc wrote: I am so excited that I am matching some of our members on the Google Group! Lisa Turrentine and Mary Bordi both are coming up matching me. Lisa hasn’t found the connection as yet but Mary and I both descend from Jorge Machado Teixeira Ana Machado Villalobos of Norte Grande (early 1700’ ), Sao Jorge. Mary comes down from Jose Teixeira Machado and I come down from Sgt. Jorge Machado Teixeira. I have also had other matches that we have not found the connection to but when the others get back far enough in their research we will make it, I’m sure! Rosemarie Capodicci -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches
On Aug 17, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Joaquin Mendonca wrote: Rosemarie, Will you please state what ftdna gave as the relationship and what the paper trail gives as the relationship? I'm not Rosemary but I will answer with what FTDNA displays for me. Both Rosemary and Sam Koester are relationship range 4th Cousin - Remote Cousin. Rosemary and I share 6 G Grandparents as far as I can tell. A chart tells me that we are 7th cousins. Still looking for the relationship with Sam. Lisa is relationship range 3rd cousin - 5th cousin with a suggested relationship of 4th cousin. (The others don't have this suggested relationship. With that information I am going to look a little closer on my tree to see if Lisa and I can connect. Having distant cousins who marry in these small communities I imagine we could also come up with other ways we are related. Mary Bordi On 8/15/2012 8:45 PM, rcapodc wrote: I am so excited that I am matching some of our members on the Google Group! Lisa Turrentine and Mary Bordi both are coming up matching me. Lisa hasn’t found the connection as yet but Mary and I both descend from Jorge Machado Teixeira Ana Machado Villalobos of Norte Grande (early 1700’ ), Sao Jorge. Mary comes down from Jose Teixeira Machado and I come down from Sgt. Jorge Machado Teixeira. I have also had other matches that we have not found the connection to but when the others get back far enough in their research we will make it, I’m sure! Rosemarie Capodicci -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches
Hi Jack, I will try to show the relationship but I’m really not sure how to explain the relationship! First of all, Jorge Machado Teixeira Anna Machado Villalobos are my 6th great grandparents, Ken Silva’s and they are also Mary Bordi’s thru two different sons of this couple. The crazy thing is that it shows as 4th to remote to my cousin Ken who did the Family Finder for me and it doesn’t show on MY Family Finder test. I’m also 6th generation to Susan Vargas Murphy which shows on Ken’s but not mine! My only reasoning is that half of my DNA is from my Dad who is Italian and as Cheri has told us many times the DNA doesn’t shake down evenly. The GEDCOM that is up for myself and Ken Silva and Daniel Souza is all my family info and my contact info is on all three. The boys, both my cousins (Dan, 1st Ken about 3rd on one side and 2nd on another!) are not interested particularly in genealogy but agreed to test for me. Lisa Turrentine doesn’t know the connection as yet because she hasn’t gone back far enough on her lines. Hopefully she will get back another 3 or 4 and we will see a connection! I hope this helps some, I’m not real clear on why Ken has 5 pages of matches and I only have two except that he is Portuguese on both his Mom’s side (Souza Avila) and his Dad’s side which is NOT Silva but Silveira de Azevedo and his maternal grandma is a Teixeira. Rosemarie From: Joaquin Mendonca Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 12:54 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches Rosemarie, Will you please state what ftdna gave as the relationship and what the paper trail gives as the relationship? Joaquin Mendonca On 8/15/2012 8:45 PM, rcapodc wrote: I am so excited that I am matching some of our members on the Google Group! Lisa Turrentine and Mary Bordi both are coming up matching me. Lisa hasn’t found the connection as yet but Mary and I both descend from Jorge Machado Teixeira Ana Machado Villalobos of Norte Grande (early 1700’ ), Sao Jorge. Mary comes down from Jose Teixeira Machado and I come down from Sgt. Jorge Machado Teixeira. I have also had other matches that we have not found the connection to but when the others get back far enough in their research we will make it, I’m sure! Rosemarie Capodicci -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches
Sam, I looked into my database and do not have any Joao Sousa Cunha. Rosemarie From: Sam Koester Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:28 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches Hmm, I have a Manuel Machado Teixeira, wife and parents unknown, daughter Rosa Maria. Rosa born 1744 and married to Joao Sousa Cunha. Guess there’s no happy dance here. L Sam (No real documentation past Manuel Machado Teixeira. I have his marriage document so, he IS my 5th great grandfather) From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rcapodc Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:15 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches Sam, Jorge Machado Teixeira’s parents are Jorge Machado Teixeira and Maria Nunes taken from Jorge’s(the son) marriage record of 2 Oct 1724, in Urzelina, Sao Jorge to Ana Machado Villalobos widow of Matheus Vieira Machado of Urzelina. . From: Sam Koester Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:08 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches Rosemarie; Do you know who the parents of Jorge Machado Teixeira or Jose Teixeira Machado were? Sam in CA From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rcapodc Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:45 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches I am so excited that I am matching some of our members on the Google Group! Lisa Turrentine and Mary Bordi both are coming up matching me. Lisa hasn’t found the connection as yet but Mary and I both descend from Jorge Machado Teixeira Ana Machado Villalobos of Norte Grande (early 1700’ ), Sao Jorge. Mary comes down from Jose Teixeira Machado and I come down from Sgt. Jorge Machado Teixeira. I have also had other matches that we have not found the connection to but when the others get back far enough in their research we will make it, I’m sure! Rosemarie Capodicci -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches
Rosemarie; Do you know who the parents of Jorge Machado Teixeira or Jose Teixeira Machado were? Sam in CA From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rcapodc Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:45 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches I am so excited that I am matching some of our members on the Google Group! Lisa Turrentine and Mary Bordi both are coming up matching me. Lisa hasn't found the connection as yet but Mary and I both descend from Jorge Machado Teixeira Ana Machado Villalobos of Norte Grande (early 1700' ), Sao Jorge. Mary comes down from Jose Teixeira Machado and I come down from Sgt. Jorge Machado Teixeira. I have also had other matches that we have not found the connection to but when the others get back far enough in their research we will make it, I'm sure! Rosemarie Capodicci -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches
Sam, Jorge Machado Teixeira’s parents are Jorge Machado Teixeira and Maria Nunes taken from Jorge’s(the son) marriage record of 2 Oct 1724, in Urzelina, Sao Jorge to Ana Machado Villalobos widow of Matheus Vieira Machado of Urzelina. . From: Sam Koester Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:08 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches Rosemarie; Do you know who the parents of Jorge Machado Teixeira or Jose Teixeira Machado were? Sam in CA From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rcapodc Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:45 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches I am so excited that I am matching some of our members on the Google Group! Lisa Turrentine and Mary Bordi both are coming up matching me. Lisa hasn’t found the connection as yet but Mary and I both descend from Jorge Machado Teixeira Ana Machado Villalobos of Norte Grande (early 1700’ ), Sao Jorge. Mary comes down from Jose Teixeira Machado and I come down from Sgt. Jorge Machado Teixeira. I have also had other matches that we have not found the connection to but when the others get back far enough in their research we will make it, I’m sure! Rosemarie Capodicci -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches
HI Sam, I guess you are talking about your brother's kit? On your brother, I see these difference/mutations: HVR1: 16192T, 16270T HVR2: 73G,150T, 204C, 263G, 315.1C, 533G (For those who want to know: HVR is HyperVariable Region. These are 2 specific areas that the geneticists look at on the D-loop area of the mitochondria. HVR1 covers about 440 base pairs. Only the differences from the Cambridge Reference Sequence (CRS) are reported back. HVR 2 covers about 574 base pairs. Again, only the differences are reported). So I'll go and look to see how many of your brother's mutations are in the top 50 most common: http://www.smgf.org/mtdna/common_mutations.jspx They are all there, except 533G. But let's pretend for a moment that they were all in the top 50 mutations. So then you go to look at his matches. Section 1 - Low Resolution Matches - HVR1 - 98 matches Mrs. Susan Crumb (HVR2) Mr. Daniel Boone Mrs. Katie Cross (FGS) Etc. Susan Crumb tested both HVR 1 and HVR2. Scroll down to see if she matches your brother on HVR2. Mr. Daniel Boone tested only HVR1 as nothing is after his name. Mrs. Katie Cross tested the Full Genomic Sequence. Not only did she test the 440 pairs on HVR 1 and the 540 on HVR2, but she did the entire 16,000+ molecule. Scoll down to see if she appears in your HVR2 matches. 98 matches isn't too much. You can turn off the alerts for the HVR1 matches. But if someone comes along who only tests HVR1, you won't know about it. But you have that 533G. That's on your HVR2. I'll email the anthropology unit at FTDNA and ask how common that mutation is (it could be # 51). Then again, it could be # 450 on the list and be real special. Since your HVR1 region is really common, you can turn off those matches if you like. Basically, it's telling you that you, Susan Crumb, Daniel Boone, and Katie Cross's common ancestor is Wilma Flintstone from 75,000 years ago. I don't know about you, but I'm lucky just to have a couple of branches that made it to the Middle Ages. And that's 500 years ago. That's the time period record keeping began anyways, unless you have some royal blood in you. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches
Cheri, I did my DNA and get reports periodically, but I have never been able to figure anything out. Can you figure out any clues from what you can see? Thank you, Diane Cox On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: HI Sam, I guess you are talking about your brother's kit? On your brother, I see these difference/mutations: HVR1: 16192T, 16270T HVR2: 73G,150T, 204C, 263G, 315.1C, 533G (For those who want to know: HVR is HyperVariable Region. These are 2 specific areas that the geneticists look at on the D-loop area of the mitochondria. HVR1 covers about 440 base pairs. Only the differences from the Cambridge Reference Sequence (CRS) are reported back. HVR 2 covers about 574 base pairs. Again, only the differences are reported). So I'll go and look to see how many of your brother's mutations are in the top 50 most common: http://www.smgf.org/mtdna/common_mutations.jspx They are all there, except 533G. But let's pretend for a moment that they were all in the top 50 mutations. So then you go to look at his matches. Section 1 - Low Resolution Matches - HVR1 - 98 matches Mrs. Susan Crumb (HVR2) Mr. Daniel Boone Mrs. Katie Cross (FGS) Etc. Susan Crumb tested both HVR 1 and HVR2. Scroll down to see if she matches your brother on HVR2. Mr. Daniel Boone tested only HVR1 as nothing is after his name. Mrs. Katie Cross tested the Full Genomic Sequence. Not only did she test the 440 pairs on HVR 1 and the 540 on HVR2, but she did the entire 16,000+ molecule. Scoll down to see if she appears in your HVR2 matches. 98 matches isn't too much. You can turn off the alerts for the HVR1 matches. But if someone comes along who only tests HVR1, you won't know about it. But you have that 533G. That's on your HVR2. I'll email the anthropology unit at FTDNA and ask how common that mutation is (it could be # 51). Then again, it could be # 450 on the list and be real special. Since your HVR1 region is really common, you can turn off those matches if you like. Basically, it's telling you that you, Susan Crumb, Daniel Boone, and Katie Cross's common ancestor is Wilma Flintstone from 75,000 years ago. I don't know about you, but I'm lucky just to have a couple of branches that made it to the Middle Ages. And that's 500 years ago. That's the time period record keeping began anyways, unless you have some royal blood in you. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches
Cheri; Thank you for this explanation. It clarifies some things for me and confirms my thoughts on the value of only matching in the HVR1 category... I appreciate you checking on the 533G mutation for me. Fingers crossed that it is special!! ;-)) Sam in Maz Original message Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:30:29 -0700 From: azores@googlegroups.com (on behalf of Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com) Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches To: azores@googlegroups.com HI Sam, I guess you are talking about your brother's kit? On your brother, I see these difference/mutations: HVR1: 16192T, 16270T HVR2: 73G,150T, 204C, 263G, 315.1C, 533G (For those who want to know: HVR is HyperVariable Region. These are 2 specific areas that the geneticists look at on the D-loop area of the mitochondria. HVR1 covers about 440 base pairs. Only the differences from the Cambridge Reference Sequence (CRS) are reported back. HVR 2 covers about 574 base pairs. Again, only the differences are reported). So I'll go and look to see how many of your brother's mutations are in the top 50 most common: http://www.smgf.org/mtdna/common_mutations.jspx They are all there, except 533G. But let's pretend for a moment that they were all in the top 50 mutations. So then you go to look at his matches. Section 1 - Low Resolution Matches - HVR1 - 98 matches Mrs. Susan Crumb (HVR2) Mr. Daniel Boone Mrs. Katie Cross (FGS) Etc. Susan Crumb tested both HVR 1 and HVR2. Scroll down to see if she matches your brother on HVR2. Mr. Daniel Boone tested only HVR1 as nothing is after his name. Mrs. Katie Cross tested the Full Genomic Sequence. Not only did she test the 440 pairs on HVR 1 and the 540 on HVR2, but she did the entire 16,000+ molecule. Scoll down to see if she appears in your HVR2 matches. 98 matches isn't too much. You can turn off the alerts for the HVR1 matches. But if someone comes along who only tests HVR1, you won't know about it. But you have that 533G. That's on your HVR2. I'll email the anthropology unit at FTDNA and ask how common that mutation is (it could be # 51). Then again, it could be # 450 on the list and be real special. Since your HVR1 region is really common, you can turn off those matches if you like. Basically, it's telling you that you, Susan Crumb, Daniel Boone, and Katie Cross's common ancestor is Wilma Flintstone from 75,000 years ago. I don't know about you, but I'm lucky just to have a couple of branches that made it to the Middle Ages. And that's 500 years ago. That's the time period record keeping began anyways, unless you have some royal blood in you. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches
Robin, Royalty makes no difference with DNA. Most of what we call vital records (birth/baptism, marriage, death) began in the Middle Ages. So potentially, researchers might be able to reach the Middle Ages in their genealogy research. Reality though is fire, floods, pirates, worms, Mother Nature, etc., damaged the books or destroyed them for many people on many branches. So most researchers only get a few lines back to the Middle Ages. Some royal lineage goes back further than the Middle Ages. So if a researcher is real lucky and hits a royal line, there's potential to go beyond the Middle Ages. I didn't mean to confuse the Middle Age stuff with DNA. (and I don't know what they call the Middle Ages now in school. Ice Age is now called the Last Glacial Maximum and A.D. (for Anno Domini) is now called C.E. (for Common Era)). Depending on who you are testing and which test you are choosing, it is best to go go with the oldest person, generally. Your Mom: 1) mtDNA will test her strict maternal line (her mother's mother's mother's mother) - all women, all the way back. The bottom of her pedigree chart. The results are generally anthropological in nature. Is this the line you are after? If so, then you might want to test her mtDNA. If not, you can do Family Finder with your mom. 2) Family Finder: This tests all of her lines within about 5 generations of her (possibly 6 or 7 if there's intermarriage in there). She needs to have a pretty good pedigree with not too many unknown maiden names though. Your Brother: 1) Y-DNA will test his strict paternal line (his (and your) father's father's father's father) - all men, all the way back. The top of his pedigree chart. If his surname is Borba, you are getting your Borba line. 2) mtDNA: This will be his mother's mother's line. It is the same as your mom testing her mtDNA. 3) Family Finder: This is withing 5 generations of him (or 6 or 7 with intermarriage). So the matches would be a little weaker with him on his mom's side. But he's all you've got for the Portuguese side, unless you forgot to mention an uncle Borba. Yourself: 1) mtDNA: Same as your brother or mom testing. 2) Family Finder: Almost the same as your brother testing. Roughly you and your brother should have 50% genetic material from each parent. That's the statistics talking. However, reality may be that one of you is 51% dad and 49% mom or vice versa. Siblings will have slight differences on this test. Your son: 1) Y-DNA will test his strict paternal line (his father's father's father). Whoever the father of your baby was (don't know if your married to him or not), it'll test that line. So if you are interested in the top of that pedigree, you'd test him. However, if your son's father (or grandfather) are still alive, you want the oldest person to minimize the mutations. 2) mtDNA: Same as your brother or mother testing. 3) Family Finder: He will only show about 25% of your mom's genes if he's the testee. If your goal is you mom's side of the family, don't use him for this test. However, if he's the only available for his dad's side of the family and that is what your interest is, use him. But if his father or grandfather or uncle is available, use one of them because that have more genetic material available. You choice of who will be the testee will probably be guided by which line you want to explore. FTDNA runs a sale in June and one in December. Or they have in the past. No guarantees for 2011. I have both my parents alive. I did my dad's Y-DNA maybe 5 years ago. I'm still playing wait and see on that. I just did his Family Finder in December because it was on sale. I haven't bothered with his mtDNA yet. Well, not with FTDNA. That's another story. I did my mom's mtDNA in the fall. They had some mini-sale I think. Then they put Family Finder on Sale in December. So I did her Family Finder then too. Based on how my parents (divorced) care for themselves, my mother will die long before my father. I wasn't going to test my mom, but after the last mishap, I just decided to do it. Cheri Mello Azores Genealogy FTDNA Administrator -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
