Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
Title: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relic Graeme Gerrard wrote: Yes I am having trouble keeping up with all the threads under this topic heading. Amen to that brother So, do you see any relationships between the holy cards, relics and radionics, whether with preps or Rae cards? What are the differences between all these? Would it be possible to have Rae cards made for relics, or even holy water? (The "it's all energy" point is accepted already, but is not of much use otherwise.) It would appear to me that there is continual confusion over the tools used to concentrate ,apply or direct energies and the actual energy. I have never given holy cards, relics etc much thought but my initial reaction is that they too are tools. They concentrate thoughts and intentions. Tools are usually used for a specific purpose, no good trying to drill a hole in steel with a shovel. I believe that evolution will eventually do away with the tools and require only the mind. In the mean time mere mortals such as myself are stuck with the tools we judge as appropriate for us now.David C ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
Graeme Gerrard wrote: > David, > I absolutely agree about the thinking. How could anybody disagree - > its a motherhood question. > But one of the things about work (= action) that I have found, is > that it is difficult to maintain detachment when so engaged. What I > mean is that "doing" gets you involved - especially working with > other people. Maybe this is what is meant, rather than the "hard > physical work". Well put, one observation I have made is that uder the current practise the "doers", that is in our case farmers, rarely have time to investigate new methods and ideas, I don't refer to the members of this list, but your every day farmer who is usually wholly occupied with keeping the bank from the door and just doesn't have the time to read and experiment. The evolving answer to this is the current crop of consultants who for a fee dispense their products and who only survive if they produce results. Hopefully they will also stir enough interest among a wider group to stimulate "thinking". > > But David, have you any thoughts on the original question I put under > this subject heading that you could share? There have been many > comments but a resounding lack of anything OT. I'm not sure what OT is!!! My thoughts are that Biodynamics, Radionics and Homeopathy are the same tree viewed from different angles, the branches are all the same just given different names. My participation on this list, or more precisely lurking, has excited me with the many and various approaches being investigated by people. I hope they all continue to communicate, be it through gentle discussion or squabbling, BD and Radionics in particular are now out in the open and being discussed in a manner such as never before, I now know far more about Homeopathy than before and that has to be good. I think we should be wary of quoting Steiner, I have read some of his work and the thing that keeps coming back to me is that he was not really happy having his lectures published because he was worried that he would be taken out of context and that each lecture was tailored to a particular group. There for he spoke to different levels of understanding each time he spoke. Added to that we have the problem of translation when using English. I believe that BD has been poorly served by those who took on the task of spreading the word, not because of bad intentions but because of the of the size of the task and the tendency of the rank and file of the movement to genuflect to gurus and save themselves the work of thinking. The beauty of BDNOW is that all the small cells of people attempting to move BD on to another level, which I might add Steiner definitely suggested, are now talking and able to compare notes. There is no compulsion that any one has to believe what anyone else says, accept or reject it's up to the individual and please feel free to say so but keep an open mind. Many of the ideas put forward on the list are the "opinions" of the person concerned, no one other than Glen Atkinson has put forward independent proof of the worth of their opinion, I am sure that wide spread acceptance of any of the disciplines we speak of will not come about without proof. I have always thought that voodoo, holy cards etc were part of what I understood to be the occult as is BD, perhaps I'm wrong? I see no difference between the energies I use with Reiki and with BD or radionics, just the tools I use with them are different. Sorry I have no profound observations for you, all I can finish with is "Keep fighting" we're getting some good discussion. David C ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics
Ye Ha, when you stir the mob on this list you get a bigger reaction than a hot potato under a horse's tail. I would like to comment on part of what has been alluded to in the previous posts, in particular the assumption that hard physical work is a requirement for humans. I have been involved with a large number of groups of people over the years and without doubt the hardest thing to get people to do is to "think". Seeing as how, at least to my knowledge, humans are the only material manifestations that can "think", than surely it is their role in the scheme of things to work hard at "thinking". Hard physical work can be done by a number of different animals, but they can't "think". Am I right or wrong? David C - Original Message - From: "Roger Pye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 21 July 2003 12:25 PM Subject: Re: radionics, voodoo, holy cards, and 3rd class relics > Your emails now go into the JUNK folder where they belong. no further > correspondence will be entered into. > > R > > > Eric Myren wrote: > > > The bird has shown its true feathers go snort some white gold and get > > stuffed you turkey! > > On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 04:53 PM, Roger Pye wrote: > > > >> Eric Myren wrote: > >> > >>> Hey Roger the Vortexes are all in your head and if you break the law > >>> of gravity you will wind up a babbling insane idiot which you are > >>> close to anyway > >> > >> > >> > >> Considering we don't even know each other, you are pretty free with > >> your insults, don't you think? Is that what they taught you at your > >> 'School of Spirit', that if you couldn't come up with a logical > >> argument against something, bile and insult would do in its place? > >> > >> Next time you see a whirlpool in a river or lake, are you going to > >> say "Hey Eric the whirlpools are all in your head, what you are > >> seeing isn't energy in the form of water spiralling down, it's a > >> mirage and you're just a bumbling idiot"? > >> > >> Ditto a whirly-whirly or whatever you call a wind eddy swirling > >> across the landscape like a mini tornado? > >> > >> Ditto a hurricane or tornado? > >> > >> They are all natural energy vortexes, but their format makes them > >> visible either in themselves or in the manner they affect other > >> natural phenomena such as clouds or water flows or even dust. So the > >> only difference in the vortexes I trace (and, incidentally, so does > >> the person you addressed as 'Sir I respect your opinions and I find > >> your words to be thoughtful and full of insight') is that whilst they > >> are invisible in themselves, being spirals of pure energy, they may > >> be located by their usually destructive effects on surrounding > >> objects such as trees, boulders, buildings, watercourses and the like. > >> > >> Roger > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> BDNow mailing list > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> You can unsubscribe or change your options at: > >> http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow > >> > > > > ___ > > BDNow mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can unsubscribe or change your options at: > > http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow > > > > > > > -- > > Roger > > Reiki and Seichim Master > Energy Healing & Dowsing > Land Management Consultant > > Earthcare Environmental Solutions > PO Box 2057 Queanbeyan NSW 2620 Australia > Ph / Fax: +61 2 6255 3824 > Mob: +61 410 469 541 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://earth-careonline.com > > > > ___ > BDNow mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > You can unsubscribe or change your options at: > http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow > > ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Alex Podolinsky
Well said James, all to often we tend to concentrate on the negative and ignore the wonderful positive. David C - Original Message - From: James Hedley To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Friday, 27 June 2003 6:00 PM Subject: Re: Alex Podolinsky Greetings to all,I agree with Hugh about Alex Podolinsky having carried the torch for Biodynamics in Australia for so long.Even growers, that I have met, who have been asked by Alex to leave the organisation never doubt his integrity.The great service that he has done is to test the limits of the BD techniques that were claimed to be the way to farm Biodynamically. Alex Podolinsky oversaw a long term trial that was able to show where the BD system needed to be improved.Alex was not the only person who went down the predominantly BD500 path. When I first joined the Association generally accepted wisdom was that you should not use BD501 in Australia because there was enough light. Not enough was known about the role of Silica in plant production. Mainstream agronomists are now looking at the role of Silica in production of grasses and crops such as Oats, Barley and Wheat. Times change, old opponents to ideas die off and the new generation without a barrow to push just do it.We need to allow an old man to enjoy his moment of glory in the sun, thank him for his dedication and pick up the torch and do the work of the day, not criticise and try to pull apart the work that others have done.James HedleyHugh Lovel wrote: >Hi all > >Finally have heard word that Alex Podolinsky will be talking at the uni in >Orange on the first weekend of August. Unsure of the details but will post >these when confirmed. I'd be happy to put questions to him on behalf of >others. Keeping in mind what Hamish has written; I can't help but think if >not for this man would there be any Biodynamic groups in Australia today? > >Allan I'll do my best to tape the talk, but you may have to wait to hear it >on our website? > >L&L >Liz > >___ >BDNow mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >You can unsubscribe or change your options at: >http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow Folks? You want to know what I liked, nay, cherished and admired, about Alex Podolinsky? He faithfully answered every letter I ever wrote to him, and I wrote him twice, needing help and guidance but not wanting to be a pest, many long years ago. I had a sense he really cared, whatever else may have been. I will always be thinking to care as well myself, though I find many letters slip through the cracks. Hugh Lovel Visit our website at: www.unionag.net ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: water consumption
Hamish: I don't have them at hand but I believe that the BD / Conventional study done in Victoria back in the early 90s compared irrigation watering and I seem to remember a similar study in NZ. I'm fairly sure I read about both in "Newsleaf". Hope this helps. David C - Original Message - From: Hamish Mackay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 26 June 2003 2:47 PM Subject: water consumption Can anyone give me some hard data on reduction of water requirements on Biodynamic land? would be appreciated aye Hamish Mackay ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Can Error be turned to Advantage?
Roger: I have seen it stated in a few writings, the only one I can think of off hand is Alex Podilinsky, that there is an increased effect of super applied to BD paddocks. I would think that from a BD perspective the trial is of interest only, what may happen is that it will engage the interest of conventional farmers who previously believed that BD was a nonsense. Maybe all is not lost yet. Like others I believe things happen for a reason. David C - Original Message - From: "Roger Pye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, 13 June 2003 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Can Error be turned to Advantage? > Gil Robertson wrote: > > > May I ask why superphosphate was applied to the reveg, assuming it is > > native veg, as most do not handle super at all well. > > > I said it was 'inadvertent', I cannot go further than that. > > > > > > > My guess is that the BD area will handle the super better than the > > other areas, thus giving the impression it was to right thing to include. > > > Yes, I must admit I have had thoughts that it happened because it was > needed to. Part of my philosophy is that the soil dictates its needs to > the Universe. The Project Manager, however, thought the occurrence an > absolute disaster and the consultant ain't too happy either! > > > Is there any visual difference between the standard BD and the > > Radionic BD? > > > Visually, not much, but we are going into winter. Energetically I would > say the radionic has an 'edge' on the standard. That is purely my > impression from energies picked up walking the different areas. We could > probably make a more valid comparison next spring. > > > > > Care to tell me something about the Natural Earth Healing Circle? Off > > line if required. > > > In its infancy as yet. The concept is groups (links) of people applying > natural healing methods to land and water problems be they large or > small, broadacre, smallholding or garden. In my opinion humankind has > proved conclusively that there is far more to caring for/repairing our > environment than the mere and continued application of chemicals and the > scientific approach. > > Take for example the current debate (on this list) on the legality or > otherwise of 'standard' BD preps. Philosophically I have a great > difficulty with having to kill animals to produce BD substances no > matter how beneficial the end products might be. In this house even > stray spiders and cockroaches get politely removed and placed elsewhere. > > Neither do I believe that cow horns are the only container in which > BD500/501 can be produced. What I do believe is that in the simplistic > equation 'cow manure + cow horn + horn clay + 6 months burial in the > ground = BD500' something vital is missing. Equally so if we change the > equation to read 'energy + energy + energy + 6 months burial in the > ground = BD500'. Were we to identify that 'vital' something, the > container question would likely resolve itself. > > Let me apparently digress a moment. Walking through any patch of > woodland, I will see trees that stand straight and true, that lean this > way, that way and every which way, that have branch systems which > resemble whirlpools in wood. To all intents and purposes, certainly to > the majority of eyes that see them, these leaning and/or misshapen trees > have grown naturally into these conformations. To a dowser or someone > who works with natural energy, the truth is that trees grow according to > the forces applied to them - and these include natural energy flows and > vortices which cause trees to lean or whirlpool or writhe upwards. > > Try this. Walk towards a growing tree your own height with a divining > rod held at head height, it will react to the aura at a short distance > from the trunk. Repeat the exercise 100mm down. Keep on doing it lower > and lower at similar intervals, sooner or later you will reach a point > near the trunk from which the next 'stop' will be further out. Write the > results down. Repeat the exercise three times around the tree, write > everything down and draw it on a graph. Then go and look at Glen > Atkinson's 'Spiral Astrology' on his website; almost instantly you will > see an image very like the one on your graph - a double spiral. Actually > a double vortex. He is using it to demonstrate cosmic and earth forces - > the same forces which shape trees. > > What has this to do with BD preps? We have just passed the time when > multitudes of cow horns stuffed with cow manure and clay have been > buried in the ground for their maturation. I venture to suggest that if > a dowser were to conduct the above exercise with an imaginary tree > growing at the centre of a maturation site, he/she would detect the top > section of a double vortex. Being a dowser, he/she would be able to > 'read' below ground as well and find the bottom half. > > Think about it. > > Roger > >
Re: OZ product legals
Title: Re: OZ product legals Glen: As far as I know preps don't officially exist,so I know of no regs. As for your previous questions, I rang Customs who only seem to be interested in collecting tax etc try www.customs.gov.au and suggested contacting Australian Quarantine Inspection Service (AQIS) try www.affa.gov.au David C - Original Message - From: Garuda To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 7:32 AM Subject: Re: OZ product legals Does anyone have any info on the status of the BD preps in the OZ ag regs??? GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protectionwww.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Liz Davis To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:00 AM Subject: Re: OZ product legals Hi GlenDid a quick search around and the best I can come up with is Australian Pest and Vet Medicine Australia (APVM). They do refer to standards, products and residues. Maybe from here you may find what you are looking for? L&LLiz on 8/6/03 7:53 AM, Garuda at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hullo AustraliaI am wondering if anyone here knows about the regulatory requirements necessary to be able to seel a horticulture product in OZ.Here in NZ we have to get ACVM clearance re residues and labelling through the NZ food safety authority.What is the similiar body in OZ?What are the BDA and other product manufactures doing re this in OZ .many thanksGlen A___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: OZ product legals
Glen: It's a long weekend here, if no one else has the answers before Tuesday I'll ring around for you. David C - Original Message - From: Garuda To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Sunday, 8 June 2003 7:53 AM Subject: OZ product legals Hullo Australia I am wondering if anyone here knows about the regulatory requirements necessary to be able to seel a horticulture product in OZ. Here in NZ we have to get ACVM clearance re residues and labelling through the NZ food safety authority. What is the similiar body in OZ? What are the BDA and other product manufactures doing re this in OZ . many thanks Glen A ___BDNow mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]You can unsubscribe or change your options at:http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Potatoes in Cages
I tried this for the first time last spring, I planted the spuds in the ground and used tyres and straw, finished up with plants about 4 feet high and noticeably healthy looking. No potatoes grew in the tyres but those in the ground were far bigger than the conventionally grown crop, perhaps because of the water being concentrated by the tyres, we were in the middle of the drought then. David C - Original Message - From: "Tony Nelson-Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, 6 April 2003 1:47 AM Subject: Re: Potatoes in Cages > > >...Even if you don't have lots of space, you can enjoy an amazing yield > of potatoes by growing in a container... > >Bob Flowerdew, the unconventional member of a BBC gardening advice > programme team, uses old motor tyres whose inner cavity is packed with > straw. He starts off with (say) two and, as the shoots appear above the > surface, adds several more units, one by one. The straw provides insulation > for a very early planting and the earthing up increases the eventual yield. > Haven't tried it myself, though! Tony N-S. > > _ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > >
Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy
Well done Glen. A couple of questions, who are HortResearch? Are they independent of you? Is BDMAX your brand? The results and the presentation of them are impressive. David C - Original Message - From: "Garuda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 3 March 2003 11:48 AM Subject: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy > IF there was ever any doubt homeopathic BD preps work we now have scientific > proof for all to see > Our frost protection spray ThermoMax has passed the test with flying colours > check out the HortReseach graph at www.bdmax.co.nz > 50% more fruit set @ a -2C frost 33% @ -4C > not bad for fairy dust > GA > >
Re: BD Brain Teasers
Roger: Sorry to have taken so long to reply to this thread, been busy lurking. The story as I have been told is that the preps were numbered by the powers that were, not Steiner and the numbers have no significance other than identification. In fact they have been numbered in the sequence that Steiner spoke of them in Lectures 4 & 5. Steiner specifically mentioned 502 - 507 as compost preps, The prep numbering started at 500 because up to 499 was allocated to other potions, medicinal ones I think. 508 was mentioned as a tea for rust or similar plant diseases and Steiner suggested they use homeopathic quantities on acreage. 509? would appear to be horn clay to me, as discussed on the list previously Steiner mentioned clay in passing but never went back to explain further. There are a number of other horn remedies used at various times by practitioners that have not been accepted by those who allocate the numbers, if such persons still exist, such as sulphur, copper & basalt. Lastly it is my belief that it shouldn't matter where preps are placed in the compost heap, we are after all, seeking to transfer the energies of the preps to the compost as a whole and as they naturally complement each other why should their position matter? David C - Original Message - From: "Roger Pye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, 31 January 2003 2:56 PM Subject: BD Brain Teasers > 1. Did Steiner really intend BD502-507 to be used solely in compost > manufacture? > > 2. Did he identify equisetum as BD508 or was it someone else? > > 3. Is there a 'missing' BD509? If so, what might it and its purpose be? > > * > > Someone told me once, or I have read it and forgotten where, that the > preps are not numbered sequentially but that 502-508 actually fall > between 500 and 501. That is, the 'sequence' could be 500, 502, 503, > 504, 505, 506, 507, 508, 501. > > The plant growth cycle is divisible into nine stages - mature seed, > cotyledons, buds, leaves, calyx, petals, pistils, fruit, immature seed. > > There are at least twelve major building blocks of life - eg calcium, > magnesium, potassium, sulphur, nitrogen, carbon, hydrogen, phosphorus, > silicon, sodium, chlorine, manganese. > > There are also trace elements and other minerals that life needs - eg > copper, mercury, iron, silver, tin, zinc, lead, aluminium. > > Now if we look at the preps we find that some of these are represented > and the plant stages fit conveniently as well. > > 500 - horn manure - calcium - (balances soil, encourages microbial life) > 502 - yarrow - sulphur - copper - (seed) > 503 - chamomile - oxygen - mercury - (cotyledons) > 504 - nettle - nitrogen - iron - (bud) > 505 - oak bark - carbon - silver - (leaves) > 506 - dandelion - hydrogen - tin - (calyx) > 507 - valerian - phosphorus - lead - (petals) > 508 - equisetum - silica - (pistils, stamen) > (509) - ?? - ?? - (fruit) > 501 - horn silica - light energy - (seed) > > Given the exactitude of scientists it seems unlikely that Steiner > numbered his preparations in the order they 'came off the shelf' but > that he had a reason for assigning the numbers as he did. One attribute > all the preps have in common is energy. Could it be that in some way he > assessed the amount of energy held within each prep, aligned it with the > appropriate stage of plant growth, and numbered it accordingly? > > Back in 1924 the soils of Europe held a natural fertility that isn't > there any more. Germany and Austria had been saddled with a reparations > bill for world war I which was virtually impossible to pay (no prizes > for guessing which country was behind that). Farmers were under pressure > to produce more with less, added to which commodity prices were falling > and would not recover for at least ten years. Hence the use of > artificial fertilisers which were adversely affecting soil fertility. > > Steiner produced his preparations to counter those effects and take the > soil back to its original fertility. How did he do that? Indeed, how did > he know what that 'fertility' state was? > > Let us now enter the realm of fantasy. Let us suppose Steiner had a > device which enabled him to measure the amount of 'standing' energy held > in things and that at some time pre-superphosphate era he had measured > the soil and come up with an amount I shall call X enertrons. In 1924 he > remeasured the soil and it had a reading of X minus 100 enertrons. In > developing the preps, he conceived that: > horn manure would restore the level to X, > seed germination required an additional 200en, > cotyledrons another 300en > buds another 400 > leaves another 500 > calyx another 600 > petals another 700 > pistils another 800 > fruit another 900 > mature seed another 1000 > > His insights and experience led him to the development of matching preps > and initially he numbered them to suit: 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, > 700, 800, 900, 1000. > > However he already had 499
Re: BDAAA Statistics
Allan: That figure is very old, I doubt anyone knows the real figure. I wouldn't put too much faith in our media's figures. David C - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, 7 January 2003 5:55 AM Subject: BDAAA Statistics > >The BDGFAA (Biodynamic Farming and Gardening Association of Australia) > >arose in response to the need for more openness than Podolinsky allowed, > >and it wouldn't do to give Podolinsky full credit for their efforts. They > >have really done a lot--perhaps more than Alex--to spread BD in Australia. > > This isn't to raise a snit, folks. This is just fact checking for an > article I'm working on. > > Dear Australian BD people, is it accurate to say, as the media often > says, that there are 2,000,000 acres and 700 farms under the BDAAA? > > This is simply a statistical inquirey. > > Thanks k-Allan > >
Re: Monsanto submitted its petition for comm. of GE Wheat
Allan: I tried this and it wouldn't work for me. I even tried downloading the whole file and only got 52K. I don't remember any one else commenting on listening to it, so I may not be a one off. David C - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, 7 January 2003 12:01 AM Subject: Re: Monsanto submitted its petition for comm. of GE Wheat > Merla - > > Have you listened to the lecture by Vandana Shiva at > http://www.ibiblio.org/biodynamics?
Re: BD Farming in America
Gary: I'm sorry but I find your reply somewhat cryptic so I am not sure where you are coming from so forgive me if my answers are confused. > What is it you have, and why should I listen? > > That, my friends, is the nub of what you need to answer.. > > Clarify your message, and foment a revolution of thought in your target > audience. Which is the world. I am afraid that I am not capable of changing the world enmass to Steiner/BD and I am not sure that it is what the world needs right now, such a conviction is the province of fanatics, I do think that eventually the world will change to Steiner/BD or something similar. Having said that, I do believe in the Stephen Covey principle that I can effect a small circle around me and that will ripple out to the world. BDNOW is a part of that ripple. > Messages designed to only stroke the committed never go far. > > Please, stop nattering about BD America, or BD Australia. > > What is it you have to say? > > Tell the world. I thought I was answering a post about BD in America when I write a volume on the subject I'll let everyone know. > This talk about "democratic process", "leadership".. "membership". do > you think Jesus, Buddha or Henry Ford had to make decisions this way? A curious grouping. I assume that you espouse dictatorship as the way to go. I hope the world is progressing past that, I have been a part of organisations in the past who came together as a team and had success far beyond what they could expect as individuals. They didn't need a guru, just to pull together and contribute. > Power and influence in this life is assumed... don't try to negotiate it. If > the BD message is worthy package it, and tell it. You got me on this one mate, think I'll go and discuss it with the cows. David C - Original Message - From: "gary elliott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 1:39 PM Subject: RE: BD Farming in America > > > What is it you have, and why should I listen? > > That, my friends, is the nub of what you need to answer.. > > Clarify your message, and foment a revolution of thought in your target > audience. Which is the world. > > Messages designed to only stroke the committed never go far. > > Please, stop nattering about BD America, or BD Australia. > > What is it you have to say? > > Tell the world. > > This talk about "democratic process", "leadership".. "membership". do > you think Jesus, Buddha or Henry Ford had to make decisions this way? > > Power and influence in this life is assumed... don't try to negotiate it. If > the BD message is worthy package it, and tell it. > > More you. > > Gary Elliott > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On > Behalf Of D & S Chamberlain > Sent: January 5, 2003 8:31 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: BD Farming in America >
Re: BD Farming in America
Glen: Good to know you're still out there listening and your new guru status has not affected your demeanour. > In my experience, Positions of power are sought by people in need of power Of course, why else would they take on thankless jobs and become targets for snipers. Hopefully they will use their power for the benefit of all. > We have one (too) long serving council member who -after being reelected at > the last AGM- stated 'anything he does not want to happen in the association > will not happen'. Too bad he did not say it before the election. > This same member has been formally asked to resign by fellow council > members Then the system is working, the fact that his fellow councillors are aware of his shortcomings reduces his power. There's no way to ensure our own version of perfection in all councillors. > We need a free and open media to have a half decent form of democracy Very, very true. Some years ago I used get the NZBD Association journal I remember they used to publish your somewhat vitriolic letters attacking the then leadership, is that what you mean? I believe that all executive council minutes should be published. > A leadership which empowers its membership will be supported by the > membership. > No membership support means they - as a whole- did not support your policies > and actions. Ah if it was only so! My experience is that if the membership is happy with the way things are going, they become complacent and happy to leave all the work to the few, who in their craze for power do all the work. The resultant apathy is not good for the organisation. Good to hear from you again David C - Original Message - From: "Garuda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 7:47 PM Subject: Re: BD Farming in America > David > > If you want good leadership in a democratic organisation, or country for > > that matter, it is the responsibility of the membership or citizens to use > > their rights to ensure that A) You have good leaders and B) The leaders > > carry out the masses wishes. > > > If only this was possible. > In my experience, Positions of power are sought by people in need of power > and in their need they are there to pursue their personal goals. > We have one (too) long serving council member who -after being reelected at > the last AGM- stated 'anything he does not want to happen in the association > will not happen'. Too bad he did not say it before the election. > This same member has been formally asked to resign by fellow council > members, however due to a strickly controlled NZBDA media none of the > general membership have heard anything abpout the debilitating effect he has > had for many years. > We need a free and open media to have a half decent form of democracy. > A leadership which enpowers its membership will be supported by the > membership. > No membership support means they - as a whole- did not support your policies > and actions. > Glen A > >
Re: BD Farming in America
My two bobs worth: Initially I had to agree with Greg and Allan about the apparent lack of leadership in the USA. Then I started thinking about the time I was part of the BDFGAA council (10 Yrs ago) and the lack of member support we experienced at that time. Consequently I would like to put forward a different view point. If you want good leadership in a democratic organisation, or country for that matter, it is the responsibility of the membership or citizens to use their rights to ensure that A) You have good leaders and B) The leaders carry out the masses wishes. The apathy of the membership transposes its self into a leadership that does as it pleases, mostly because the membership as a whole does not carry out it's responsibility of informing the leadership of it's requirements. Alternately it may be that the leadership is carrying out the memberships wishes and it is a vocal few who would have us believe otherwise. Usually when the above happens those who strongly differ with the leadership resign, then have no official place in the scheme of things and snipe from the sidelines where they are only of nuisance value only and cause a stronger entrenchment of the leadership they oppose. Perhaps the snipers should consider following the democratic process, be part of the membership and challenge the leadership for their positions, unfortunately snipers are usually too busy to follow that process and the current leadership continues because no one else will take on the job. So perhaps the answer lies in giving the current membership a good boot in the arse instead of useless railing against the leadership. Do you really want the alternative of everything being controlled by the all knowing guru? Perhaps it would be more appropriate to have an organisation such as Biodynamics Australia (formerly BDFGAA) who encourage their membership to learn BD for themselves and organise themselves accordingly? I have to agree with you on the poor job the Anthropops are doing selling Steiner to the world and what appears to be either an elitist contempt for passing on the teachings or a lack of understanding of the teaching. I suspect both. I own and have read many Steiner books, I have just finished "The Spiritual Hierarchies and the Physical World" and the thought I had on finishing was similar to many times before, the book is the usual collection of Steiner lectures given over a long period of time to people who supposedly understood where he was coming from, it had all the usual inconsistent names and distortions that come about because of the insistence of publishing the spoken word of Steiner. The whole book could be edited down to a quarter of it's size to give a clear and concise account of what Steiner had to say. This makes me wonder as Greg suggests, do the Anthropops understand what they are espousing? One would have to doubt it. I suggest they do Steiner a great disservice by spreading such a muddled message. My thoughts David C - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 6 January 2003 12:07 AM Subject: BD Farming in America > >There's no one there to teach them. No leader. No wise man. No wise > >woman. No body. Vacuous. A vacuum at the top, middle and bottom. > >Good people leave organizations like these - one way or the other. More > >often than not, if they try to enlighten them, they are kicked out. > >Which is good for all humanity because this moves things along the Path > >of Truth. > > Greg brought up the above. > > I've been re-reading A.P. recently. Here is an effective transmitter > of Steiner's vision. What is it nowadays? 700 farmers working under > A.P. and 2,000,000 acres in EFFECTIVE biodynamic management. There > are many BD farmers in Australia and one of the major reasons is that > BD WORKS under AP's administration. For me, aside from A.P's obvious > insights and gifts, one of the major reasons that BD works in > Australia is that AP has set up a program of farm visits and of > experienced BD farmers working with inexperienced farmers. He doesn't > make the service available, he actually demands that anyone starting > in biodynamics work with someone A.P. approves of, someone already > getting results with biodynamics. Remember, A.P. first demonstrated > that BD WORKS in Australia, and then developed his organization > afterwards. We've yet to have anyone really do that here in the US, > with the exception of Hugh Lovel (who I'd have to say is probably in > the best position to explain why we have no equivalent to AP's > success in the US) > > What I'm getting at is that felt a lot of remorse brought on by the > fact that we have no similar organization in the US. Many of the > questions that are brought up by new people on the list would be > dealt with so much better through a farm visit rather than a reading > list or a wisdom thrown into the dark. > > Barring the development of an organization o
Re: What is Magic?
Lloyd: I wonder what others have experienced with this? Before the drought I had strips in our front paddock where I experimented with this, on our soil it is a case of turn in all the bulk possible to get good results, feeding off sends things backwards. As for roots on their own supplying green manure, no way. Perhaps it is because our soil is badly depleted. What is also interesting is that the locals were actually asking what I had done to get the strip so good, instead of making up their own version of whatever weird thing I was doing. David C - Original Message - From: "Lloyd Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 5:53 PM Subject: Re: What is Magic? > > Dear Allan - David - > > Michelle wrote > > > I hadn't even considered that I was depleting the soil > > >doing this. I guess that I struggle with that concept. (that grazing > green crops is detrimental - me too) > > In my kind of rainfall environment it takes a season to grow a bulky green > manure crop, if we then plow it in we need to use a disk implement of some > sort to get the job done, so we get caught in the classic overcultivation > trap and by the time we plant crop our organic carbon reading has gone way > down - the disking overstimulates the system and we get excessive > mineralisation over summer - burning up accumulated carbon as well as the > green manure crop - but if we graze these paddocks down in spring we can > then use a tyned implement to cultivate (chisel plow is best for us) and we > get much less rapid breakdown over summer so although we put less vegetable > material into the system to start, we end up with better organic carbon at > seeding time and we have more available for release of organic nitrogen as > the crop grows. Its a more balanced result. > Michelle is working to a different time frame, It takes a massive amount of > biological activity, warmth, lots of moisture and energy, to break down > mature crop residues quickly without throwing the soil system out of balance > (nitrogen deficit) . All of those things are going on in a ruminant animal > all the time, we use sheep but cows are better at bulky stuff. I think its > pointless trying to build up soil levels (carbon and minerals) if we then > have to burn it back down with cultivation to prepare for the next crop. > Balance is the key ! Maximum of anything is not always the way to go! > Cheers all > Lloyd Charles > >
Re: Search for results of Elaine's testing of bd preps
In the vernacular of the local kids: You wish!! David C - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, 23 November 2002 1:35 AM Subject: Re: Search for results of Elaine's testing of bd preps > We should request that the agencies involved take a closer look at the use of > chemicals at the same time they are examing the tea issue. Have them look at > residuals and food quality as well as the effects on groundwater...sstorch > In a message dated 11/13/02 9:54:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << David, I brought this up to our National Organic/Biodynamic Production > > Standards committee (Australia)and they have spoken with the CSIRO re > > research into this issue. David Matthews is an Ex Vet and knows all about > > this stuff, and has mates in the right places. Now we have to look at > > research funding, especially trying to get the Organic levies outof the > > non-organic sphere. But fear not, it is being taken seriously and wheels are > > in motion. > > I really appreciate the discussion happening on BDNow to help this issue > > along. > > > Cheryl Kemp > > Education and Workshop Coordinator > > Biodynamic AgriCulture Australia > > Phone /Fax : 02 6657 5322 > > Home: 02 6657 5306 > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > web: www.biodynamics.net.au > > > - Original Message - > > From: "D & S Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 5:50 PM > > Subject: Re: Search for results of Elaine's testing of bd preps > > > > > Hugh: I think that Frank has a valid point. Obviously poorly made compost > > > tea can contain E.coli, the question is how do we stop it happening? > > > Perceptions are everything, if it can be traced that someone got ill from > > > compost tea then there are legions of highly paid people who will push the > > > perception, right or wrong, that all compost tea is bad. No amount of > > > huffing and puffing will change the perception once instigated, rumour and > > > innuendo is the way that chemical companies fight and there's plenty of > > > suckers out there willing to listen to them. > > > Ideas anyone? >> > >
Re: What is Magic?
Michelle wrote > That has led us back to bringing cattle on the farm. We intend to learn to > put as much standing feed through our animals as we can. That includes > planting oats as a green manure crop early in March and grazing before corn > planting in May, grazing on cover crops planted behind wheat harvest, > grazing some standing corn etc, etc. This system looks like it combines > many good things. It can utilize green manure crops for both weed control > and soil improvement as well as providing feed for cattle while they in turn > are providing manure for the soils. And we are tending to view this place > as a feed farm instead of a cash grain operation. Our conventional system Michelle: Green manure crops work best if turned back in with as much bulk as possible. Feeding off to livestock is just not the same unless you collect the manure and compost it and respread it. In fact by feeding it off you are depleting your soil and unless you have high biological activity the manure will just lay there for some time. A thought from Oz David C
Re: chickens
Tony: Our rule here is no chooks in the veggie patch ever. They delight in scratching out every plant they can and boy do they chuck the mulch around. David C - Original Message - From: "Tony Nelson-Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, 24 November 2002 3:23 AM Subject: Re: chickens > I found that there is a serious drawback to over-friendly chickens in the > garden: digging a bed with a fork, thus revealing many juicy worms, I've > several times almost slipped a disc by having to violently abort a thrust as > a head and neck appeared in the target area. Of course, once the digging is > done, letting the hens in compensates for the loss of worms by the > simultaneous loss of most weed seedlings, runners of couch and convolvulus, > etc. Tony N-S. > > > > > > > > > _ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > >
Re: chickens
Dorothy: My experience is that chooks don't like whole oats very much, I feed whole corn in cool weather because of it's high energy content, not too much or the egg laying drops back. About a hand full each a day. David C - Original Message - From: "Dorothy O'Brien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, 24 November 2002 11:56 PM Subject: Re: chickens > Thanks for the chicken info. I am ordering books and > catalogs today. > > These chickens make me laugh every time I see them. > Several are very serious and others coo and cluck. > They are all important and dignified. > > Has anyone tried feeding flax seed? I understand that > this feed will yield eggs that are lower in saturated > fat and higher in the Omega fatty acids. Also, I read > that "oats are the best cool season feed." Does this > mean the chickens are eating the oat grass or the > grain? Dorothy > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > >
Re: chickens
Dorothy: I have tried most breeds over the years and Rhode Island Reds seem to be the best. They are good breeders, good layers and the roosters make good eating. I find that I have to supplement feed with commercial layer pellets, they need the extra protein to keep laying. Generally they only eat pellets when they can't get feed from the paddocks which they prefer. My birds are locked up at night and allowed to free range all day. Love those cackleberrys. David C - Original Message - From: "Dorothy O'Brien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, 21 November 2002 4:18 AM Subject: Re: chickens > What breed of chickens would the group recommend? Any > other tips for feeding and care? > > I've started with a few layers and am really enjoying > the fresh eggs. I am feeding these hybrids > (Leghorn/Black something crosses) primarily organic > barley. If I add soybeans to the mix, do I need to > cook or soak them in someway to be digestible? > > Thanks in advance for suggestions, Dorothy > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > >
Compost teas & regulations
All: Over the years I have bashed my head against many brick walls and I finally learned that you don't fight the system, you use it. To use the system you need two main things: 1, You need to be very clear on what you want. 2. You need to know the system and all it's intricacies so that you can manipulate it to achieve your aims. Governments, regulators and accreditation authorities are part of the scene like it or not, how about we try to get them to compliment the farmer with their regulations so that everyone wins Regulatory bodies are more likely to listen if you present complete and constructive ideas as against just telling them they are wrong and putting up ideas that confront their ideology. This forum, BDNOW, brings together a world wide group of forward thinking people who should be able to come up with a system that satisfy all parties. As I see it they can make all the rules and regulations they like, I'll find a way around them if I want to and so can everyone else, but like most people I want to turn out the best produce I can and regulations that assist me to do that are good. It is the responsibility of governments to ensure that food is not contaminated, their efficiency at doing this is questionable. The definition of contamination is also questionable, I refer in this post to biological contamination not chemical. In Australia the government has set up Chemical and Pesticide courses that in theory anyway you must attend in order to use these products, I have not attended a course but those who have certainly seem to be much more responsible in their chemical use. The point being that there is an official effort at educating people in correct and safe?? usage of products and in theory users should be aware of the associated dangers. Thus removing the excuse of "I didn't know". I suggest that similar courses may be an answer to compost and compost tea problems as envisaged by the regulators. Is it worth the effort to put together a submission using the list to gather ideas to put forward to regulators? I don't mean just the education idea but others as well. Have to go and do some work now, I have other ideas about the subject I will probably put forward later. David C with the flat head.
Re: Search for results of Elaine's testing of bd preps
Hugh: I think that Frank has a valid point. Obviously poorly made compost tea can contain E.coli, the question is how do we stop it happening? Perceptions are everything, if it can be traced that someone got ill from compost tea then there are legions of highly paid people who will push the perception, right or wrong, that all compost tea is bad. No amount of huffing and puffing will change the perception once instigated, rumour and innuendo is the way that chemical companies fight and there's plenty of suckers out there willing to listen to them. Ideas anyone? David C - Original Message - From: "Hugh Lovel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 12:18 PM Subject: Re: Search for results of Elaine's testing of bd preps > Dear Frank, > > You're right to a point, mate. The presence of E. coli means next to > nothing. Everyone has it. Right? > > The real question is the presence of E. coli 0157:H7. Can everyone agree to > that? It is a virulent pathogen, and it kills. But it is a very SPECIAL > kind of E. coli. In fact it is commonly found in feedlots. Never elsewhere > so far as I know, and I've been watching. > Which should prohibit compost teas from feedlot manures, but why prohibit > any others? > > If we could agree on where 0157:H7 occurs, then blanket testing for E. coli > is meaningless. We must test for E. coli 0157:H7. > > Forget the rest. How relevant is it? E. coli is not the problem, 0157:H7 is. > > Please, give me good science, not scare propaganda a la Dennis Avery, the > infamous scientific prostitute. And please don't endorse his arguments by > wishy-washy agreement that we "have to beware of coliforms in compost tea." > We all have coliforms. I don't think there are any exceptions. Compost teas > may have coliforms. Sure. Will Brinton is doubtless right. Big deal. > Coliforms are ubiquitous. Scare tactics? Why succumb to them? Please, let's > everyone get their brains on. > > As you can tell, my Scotch blood rises and my gorge swells in anticipation > of a truly non-scientific debate (battle) in which significance pales into > nothingness and mass is the persuading factor. I feel like I'm putting on > my breastplate and bucklers and flexing my arms, shoulders, torso and > legs, preparing to confront the unscientific bastards promoting this > agenda. I think they know better, the SBs. > > Thank God I can laugh. > > Best, > Hugh Lovel > > > > > >Dear Hugh, > > > >The fact that we all carry benign strains of E. coli in our guts, and are > >colonized therewith shortly after birth, does not mean that there are not > >virulent strains of E. coli from animal sources that we need to be concerned > >about. > > > >The E. coli 0157:H7 issue is covered in a number of places; one recent paper > >that is interesting is: > > > >http://www.fass.org/fass01/pdfs/Callaway.pdf > > > >"The infectious dose is indicative of the virulence > >of pathogenic bacteria, and E. coli O157:H7 > >has an extremely low infectious dose. In > >one outbreak the contamination level of E. > >coli O157:H7 in uncooked hamburger meat > >was less than 700 cells/patty and some > >victims ingested very little of the > >(improperly) cooked meat (Griffin, 1998)." > > > >The Walkerton water outbreak here in Canada underscored the manure problem > >associated with 0157:H7: > > > >http://www.med.uwo.ca/ecosystemhealth/education/casestudies/walkertonmed.ht m > > > >Now, Hugh, I am willing to accept that BD folks as a group are at low risk > >of having and spreading 0157 around. But, the NOSB has to deal with a larger > >universe of people than that, with composts coming from feedlot animals, and > >with an influx of newbies who may or may not know their excrement from their > >waxy shoe protectant, if you catch my reference... > > > >Compost tea is new. By that I mean compost tea as Elaine defines it, > >aerobically amplified and nutrient added. Whatever we should say about the > >Bess study, she showed that you can grow E. coli in a compost tea > >environment. For the most part E. coli is simply an indicator for the fate > >of other pathogens, chosen for its ease of monitoring, but in its 0157 form > >(and a few others) it is a potent pathogen in its own right, and at very low > >infective doses. > > > >The majority of 0157 outbreaks have been meat related, but several have also > >occured in salad materials, fruit juices, and sprouts. > > > >So, concern that 0157 might pass into compost tea through compost and into > >the food supply through application of tea and retention on produce surfaces > >is not absurd. It is reasonable, and a small amount of precautionary > >activity can ensure that we develop this exciting new tool in agriculture > >safely and responsibly. > > > >This is not a bad thing, nor the end of the world; it just echoes the age > >old truth that along with greater power ( the ability to quickly multiply > >the bacterial count of a watery extract of compost a thousand fold)
Re: The great international cowpie smuggling caper
Steve: The point I was trying to make in my reply to this thread is that all too often in BD we see people getting excited about the ribbons and decoration on the package and forgetting about the contents. The contents, in the case of the BD preps, are the forces or energies they carry. While we may feel warm and fuzzy about using manure from lactating BD cows who live on BD pasture and only served by gentle BD bulls in the moonlight, the fact is that we need fresh cow shit stuffed in a cow horn. Fresh because we are after the astral and ethereal forces induced into the cows digestive system which will attract the earth energies over the winter and a cow horn because it will do the job of holding and concentrating the forces better. In all my years of BD I have heard time and time again these myths and dogma which place restrictions on people using BD, they almost always come about from people who don't really understand that the forces are the important thing so they apply their own version that makes them feel warm and fuzzy. When ever I am in doubt I always go back to "Agriculture" and learn again how simple it can be. Peace to all David C - Original Message - From: "Steve Diver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, 9 November 2002 6:04 AM Subject: Re: The great international cowpie smuggling caper > Merla went looking for some cow manure on a > BD farm to make her Horn Manure and her CPP. > > Some practical advice came back to use what you got, > locally, even though it ain't exactly organic. > > Generally speaking I go along with practical advice like > that. Get the engine running, the adjust the carburetor. > > Yet, the tale of the four cow pies comes to mind. > > All of these farms I have walked on in the last year, so my > observations are fresh in my mind, and it is something > I'm reflecting on. > > Ozark Farm #1: Rotational grazing; integrated with turkey > manure and composting. I can go into long details about all the > conservation practices and subsequent healthy indicators > coming back to this farm. The farm is not organic but it is > certainly a model of a sustainable grass-based livestock farm. > The bottomline is the cow pie. These animals are healthy cows > with healthy cow pies. The cow dung is quickly invaded by > teeming hordes of insect life, especially dung beetles. Within > a few hours it looks like an apartment dwelling with tunnels > and honeycombs. Within a few days is has flattened to the > earth. Nutrient cycling thus accomplished; organic matter > returned to the earth. A living energy exchange has taken > place. > > Ozark Farm #2: The farm has cows, yet it is a run down > farm because they use continuous grazing and they > medicate the cows heavily and use systemic insecticides > to worm the cows. The forages are low grade and > over run with weeds. When the cow pie hits the ground > it just sits there. Weeks later it is still there in the same > shape. The only insects visible are flies, indicators of > a putrefactive microbial turn of events. There is no life in this > cow dung, it is a rotting corpse of undigested organic matter. > > India Farm #3: The typical Indian peasant farm is integrated, > working 1-3 acres of subsistance foods and cash crops with > a bullock to raise a few extra rupees. The family lives > close to their animals. They keep a cow for milk and yogurt, > a few baby animals lounge about, and a bullock or two is there > to work the fields. The woman gathers leaves and grass for > bedding, and hay for fodder. The farmyard manure (FYM) is > used to spread on fields, or used in a compost pile or to make > vermicompost. The animals are healthy and contented. They > exude a peaceful calm. It is against the law to kill a cow in India. > The cows are naturally healthy and free of antibiotics and > insecticides. The dung is free of contaminants, it is strong > in quality and life force. The dung is used for soil fertility, for > fuel cakes, and to smear on walls as an insulation, among other > uses, including BD compost and CPP. > > India Farm #4: The farm uses water buffalo, so the dung is > buffalo dung. A group of Indian farmers are visiting, sitting > around drinking tea and discussing the merits of biodynamic > farming. A question arises as to any differences in quality > and power of CPP, cow pit pat, between cow dung and buffalo > dung. The answer comes back from the more experienced > biodynamic farmers that buffalo dung has 40% power. > > So I am reflecting on these observations and the quality of > cow dung. I remember seeing those dead cow pies on > an adjacent pasture, and then I think why not drive my pickup > truck to a farm a little further away to gather cow manure > of better quality. > > Steve Diver > > P.S. > My colleagues at ATTRA put these two items together > on nutrient cycling and dung beetles, of interest perhaps > to some readers. The dung beetle pub is especially > fun
Re: The great international cowpie smuggling caper
Here we go again making up all sorts of restrictions. Merla, just find some grass fed cows, preferably off unsupered pasture and get it while it is fresh. No drama! All the rest is just icing on the cake. David C - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, 5 November 2002 12:55 AM Subject: Re: The great international cowpie smuggling caper > >The next closest BD farm is Victor, Montana, but it's too far. I will > >have to try and find an organic cow in Sandpoint. > > It's always important to remember, folks, the even a teacher as > particular as Peter Proctor has stated 'Half a cherry is better than > no cherry at all" in terms of making the preps. Courtney said the > same to me the other day, something like 'Well, there's ultimate BC > and there's pretty good BC. Not being able to get eveything you need > for ultimate BC is no reason for not making and BC at all.' > > Look for a source of lactating cows that graze on good grass. Once > you've found that, find 7 white buckets worth of very symettrical > cows pies within a 3 day period (picking in the mornings). I don't > know how you could lose. (If you can't find cow pies that reflect the > order of the universe in the first pasture, well, then, you're going > to have to look for another pasture because we don't want to stray > TOO far in our choice of ingredients, do we?! ;-) > > Hope this info is as helpful to you as it has been to me. > > -Allan > >
Re: OFF: conspiracy
> Hey, my OZ friends, do ostriches REALLY hide their heads in the sand? > If they do, how successful of a ploy it is? > > -Allan Allan: Sorry mate we have Emus not Ostriches, but a lot of Aussies stick their head in the sand, seems to work well for them. David C
Re: Using the preps
Daniel: Yes problems do develop if you do not use all the preps, this has been discussed at length previously, I suggest a visit to the archives. David C - Original Message - From: "RiverValley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2002 4:27 PM Subject: Using the preps > Hi All, > > Could problems develop from using some of the preps but not all. like just > using 500, 501 and 508. > > thanks, > Daniel > - Original Message - > From: "Tony Nelson-Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:13 AM > Subject: Re: Cancer etc > > > > Sunny (in particular) - Even amongst fairly mainstream sufferers, attitude > and a willingness to accept unconventional therapies seem to have very > positive results. An acquaintance with colon cancer was given only months > to live but, with the help of a very positive attitude and a diet worked out > by the Bristol Centre, survived for several years; yet medical 'wisdom' > still regularly dismisses such influences. I wasn't at that time aware of > anthroposophical medicine or other, more spiritual alternative therapies - > maybe, had I been able to pass on to him the suggestions arising from this > thread, he'd still be with us! Tony N-S. > > > > > _ > Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp > > > > >
Re: Rainmaking in Santa Fe... a question for Peter B
All: I have recently read a book that explains the interaction of the author with nature spirits and it gave me a better understanding of their place in the scheme of things. The book is Nature Spirits & Elemental Beings by Marko Pogacnik. Published by Findhorn Press. IBSN1 899171 66 5 I recommend it for those such as I who struggle with the concept. David C - Original Message - From: "Peter Michael Bacchus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, 24 October 2002 8:20 PM Subject: Re: Rainmaking in Santa Fe... a question for Peter B > Hi Rex and list members, > The publication we are studying is titled:- > "WORLD ETHER _-_ ELEMENTAL BEINGS -- > KINGDOMS OF NATURE. > It is a compilation of texts from Steiner with a commentary by Ernst > Hagemann, and translated by Harold Jurgens. ISBN 0-929979-31-1 Copyright > 1993 > Mercury Press 241 Hungry Hollow Road, Spring Valley NY 10977 U.S.A. > If you can find it it is well worth studying and living with for a time. > Cheers, > Peter. > - Original Message - > From: "Rex Teague" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 6:05 PM > Subject: Re: Rainmaking in Santa Fe... a question for Peter B > > > > On 17 Oct 02, Peter Michael Bacchus wrote: > > > > ---8<--- > > > So in careing for our environment we need to concern ourselves > > > lovingly with with the nature beings. > > > > ---8<--- > > > This is indeed an interesting study. > > > > Peter... what is the basis of your study, can you suggest a book or > > some other material? > > > > I perceive ?something? about the state of the plants, soil, > > springs/water etc of our property and environs and I wish to better > > understand the message(s). > > > > Thanks... Rex > > > >
Re: Thanks to everyone
Merla: Sounds like you're winning to me, if old Randy is getting upset then he probably feels threatened. One thing that always impresses onlookers in organic / conventional debates is the fact that mostly the organic people stay calm and rational and the conventional people get angry. David C - Original Message - From: "Merla Barberie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BD Now" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, 18 October 2002 2:30 AM Subject: Thanks to everyone > I got home from my east coast trip at midnight on Monday, October 14, > after my Spokane Symphony Chorale rehearsal. > > Mary Portera at River Gallery in Chattanooga took all the ceramic > animals I had and even bought a large frog with an injured eye with her > personal check. > > With an Anthroposophic Chattanooga friend, I visited Union Agricultural > Institute when Hugh was speaking in Michigan and Lorraine was at market > in Atlanta. Their apprentice, Sylvia, showed us around. I loved their > cows. I wish we could have cows, but it's not possible. > > When I got home, I found a root cellar full of apples, peppers, some > tomatoes and the tomato coldframes full of brown tomato plants. We > ended up with 25 cases of salsa. Herb and Ed had brought in the manure > for our compost pile and I got three sets compost preps and a cow horn > from Hugh Courtney at the conference. I am also going to make BC. > > On Wednesday, I attended a meeting of the new Selkirk Weed Management > Area Board which includes people from four counties, the Forest Service > and the Nature Conservancy. These are the people who will read my > report on the Rapid Lightning Weed Control Project and who decide what > projects from our area will be presented to the state for funding. I > had a chance to tell them what we had done on our road project. As soon > as I mentioned Bio-Dynamics, though, Randy, the Bonner County (my > county) Weed Committee Chair, the one who blocked my using Pfeiffer > Field Spray by inquiring whether it was registered as a soil amendment > in Idaho, started in on me in front of everyone--declaring that Pfeiffer > Field Spray was full of bad nematodes. Of course, I countered that this > was not true. When I explained that BD Preps have a spiritual component > and that this is why we don't want to subject them to the state > registration process, he said something about the separation of church > and state. He raised his voice and succeeded in taking the whole floor > and stopped my presentation. > > Even though the man is raving, he still managed to control what happened > in the meeting. What I did was close my eyes, meditate right there for > a few seconds and put myself in the most positive attitude I could > muster. When I left the meeting, I felt a lot of good vibrations, > especially from the women on the Board. I think I handled myself all > right. Time will tell. The worst possible scenario, I hope, is that > Iwill just have to demonstrate Bio-Dynamic weed control on our own > place, our private road and contiguous neighbor's properties. Randy > will probably do everything he can to block any future state grants for > our project. It will be interesting to see what the SCWMA Board does > with our report and future funding. They have to deal with many people > whose livelihood is based on the use of pesticides. Before he spoke, > there was interest in combining our work with Bio-controls. The > strategic plan of the group that was presented had all kinds of > objectives such as "Restoration of the land - keep as close to the > natural state as possible." Can you all visualize them supporting our > work and Randy having a change of heart and becoming less threatened by > people who work with natural processes? > > Thanks to everyone at the conference in Lovettsville for your presence > there. I certainly was delighted with what I learned. > > Best, > > Merla > >
Re: *#% Virus
Sharon: Start with Rogers good advice. If you want to be sure about this particular virus, go to www.symantec.com and follow their advice and download the bug removal tool, it starts on the opening page. David C - Original Message - From: "kentjamescarson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 12:18 PM Subject: Re: *#% Virus > so what does a person new to it all do to deal with it ?:)sharon > - Original Message - > From: "D & S Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "BDNOW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:09 PM > Subject: *#% Virus > > > > All: I think I have tracked down the computer with the virus and trying to > > contact the person concerned. As luck would have it I only forwarded that > > particular e-mail to one person and he shows up on the return trail sent > by > > some of the return notification. For Paul DeCampo you should have worked > out > > by now that I didn't send the e-mail you commented on, it is the work of a > > virus. If you opened it you are probably infected, sorry. Same applies to > > everyone else. > > David C > > > > > > > >
Re: Virus
According to the info at Symantec if you have Windows ME or XP the system restore program will reinstall the virus unless you go through the routine outlined in their instructions on the website. I'm now quite sure I haven't got it but many of you may have, the damn thing is rampart. Thank you all for the advise, it is appreciated. This lot has cost me hours of sweat. It's much more pleasant in the paddock to where I am now heading. David C - Original Message - From: "Gil Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 9:59 AM Subject: Re: Virus > Hi! David, > I have been getting mystery emails also. Some are from people I know, but have > text from some other source. Others are from an unknown source. I am currently > deleting any that are from an address I do not know. Remember to also empty the > "trash bin". If you have an address like "" or "" in your address book, > you will not mass infect others, as the computer will stop and ask you to > correct the wrong address. > > Gil > > D & S Chamberlain wrote: > > > All: I am receiving virus notices from all over as being sent from my > > computer. I have scanned my machine twice with the latest updates from > > Symantec and run the latest fixer from them and nothing shows up here. Some > > of the addresses that I have returns from I have never heard of, I am told > > that the virus can send my return address from an infected computer. > > My sincere apologies if by some chance I am spreading the virus, but I do > > not believe I am. > > Everyone should update their virus scanners ASAP. > > David C > >
*#% Virus
All: I think I have tracked down the computer with the virus and trying to contact the person concerned. As luck would have it I only forwarded that particular e-mail to one person and he shows up on the return trail sent by some of the return notification. For Paul DeCampo you should have worked out by now that I didn't send the e-mail you commented on, it is the work of a virus. If you opened it you are probably infected, sorry. Same applies to everyone else. David C
Virus
All: I am receiving virus notices from all over as being sent from my computer. I have scanned my machine twice with the latest updates from Symantec and run the latest fixer from them and nothing shows up here. Some of the addresses that I have returns from I have never heard of, I am told that the virus can send my return address from an infected computer. My sincere apologies if by some chance I am spreading the virus, but I do not believe I am. Everyone should update their virus scanners ASAP. David C
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Re: Tomato Tee
I have no idea where homeopathics originated, I believe modern homeopathy is attributed to Samuel Hahnemann in the 19th Century, no doubt its roots go back much further. I don't know the term levees could you explain please. When you say all plants do you include plants other than tomatoes? David C - Original Message - From: "COYOTEHILLFARM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, 6 October 2002 9:49 PM Subject: Re: Tomato Tee > Thanks > Homeopaths originated they say in Egypt ?? > The Swedish Tomato tee-pesticide originated in a community garden east of > Stockholm, the effects have not been tested but it work's in Sweden. > (1970-80) > > As the Tomato plants grow they ware trimmed, levees and everything else, put > in a metal 55 gal metal barrel full of water, and then simply watering the > plants with it, and no more pest !? > The process continued all summer long more levees more water, remember > Sweden are Cold so the process in temperatures less than 20C normally. > > I have not tested it for many years > > Per Garp/NH > > - Original Message - > From: "D & S Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 08:05 PM > Subject: Re: Peppering > > > > I was hoping some one else would have a go at answering this, seeing as no > > one has, I'll try. > > The discussion refers to a mix of Radionics, Biodynamics and Homeopathics > > which are believed by some on this list to be one and the same thing. To > > give a complete explanation of this is just too big a job, please check > the > > archives for the previous discussion which has taken place over a long > > period of time, years in fact. > > You will find grape growing has also been discussed at length. > > The broadcaster pyramid in the case I referred to is a simple pyramid made > > from 8 bronze welding rods with a PVC pipe holding strong magnets at > 2/3rds > > of its height. > > Pyramids and Egypt go together. It is believed that the pyramids were > giant > > broadcasters. > > Potentised BD preps are being used by a number of people with apparent > > success and in conjunction with radionics. > > Perhaps you could tell us more about your tomato solution, I have not > heard > > of it before and we are all eager to learn of new methods or rather new > old > > methods. > > As someone new to all this I can understand your confusion, unfortunately > I > > am unable to catch up with all the previous discussion in one E-mail, in > > fact I doubt if you could fit it in one book. Please keep asking > questions, > > but be aware that specific questions are more likely to get the best > > answers. > > Regards > > David C > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "COYOTEHILLFARM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2002 9:04 PM > > Subject: Re: Peppering > > > > > > > Hi All > > > > > > I'm new, I'm interested in grape-growing and don't understand this > > > discussion please explain in more detail, what is this "broadcaster > > pyramid" > > > and the Egypt example's . > > > Also the Homeopath treatments like your = "BD 501 potentised to M > potency > > > can get rid of thistles equivalent to any herbicide" who ? ware ? I > would > > > like more information, As a common practice in my Childhood Sweden we > > always > > > had a Tomato solution as a herbicide for insects repellant's. > > > > > > Per Garp/NH > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "James Hedley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 08:10 AM > > > Subject: Re: Peppering > > > > > > > > > > Dear David, > > > > Thanks for the good information about your pyramid broadcaster. We are > > > using > > > > them in various areas all around the world. One project that I am > > working > > > on > > > > at the moment is the breaking down of the pollution band that > currently > > > runs > > > > from India to Indonesia by the use of a pyramid broadcaster that has > > been > > > > set up in Agra. This was discussed at the recent Wizards Conference. > The > > > > pollution bands are causing world wide havoc to climate. > > > > The results look very encou
Re: [globalnews] No-Till Farming
Lloyd: I agree! The more I see of the carbon credits BS, the more convinced I am it is another money making scam by the stockmarket smarties, aided by politicians squirming to get out of making decisions that will hurt their big money backers. David C - Original Message - From: "Lloyd Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 7 October 2002 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [globalnews] No-Till Farming > > - Original Message - > From: RH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 5:00 AM > Subject: Re: [globalnews] Farmers Fight Global Warming with No-Till Farming > > Thanks to Rex for an excellent posting - true - no till is one more sneaky > trick to get more farmers more hooked on chemicals than what they already > are, that said its probably the best way to farm a large portion of our > agricultural lands,IF YOU WANT TO BE A REALLY SWITCHED ON CHEMICAL FARMER. > What I would like to add is this truly spectacular bit of stupidity called > 'carbon credits' > > "The concept becomes especially abstract when you consider a global market > in which a U.S. corporation could continue its polluting because it is > buying credits from a no-till farmer (or other emissions reducer) in China > or Russia." > > Just imagine - a farmer cranks up his chemical usage by 50% to embrace no > till, USDA issues him with a carbon credit certificate,probably without > actually measuring the soil carbon level, next step - the chemical > corporation buys his carbon credit so that they can be allowed to > continue/increase polluting the atmosphere - - dont forget its not only CO2 > that comes out of their chimney stack - the gas emissions will always be > allowed to carry a percentage of nasties as well (dioxins, heavy metal > vapours,assorted other noxious crap,) > And in the middle of it all will be some trader company ripping off millions > that probably originated as taxpayer subsidies to fun the scheme > Lloyd Charles > > > > > 10/6/2002 10:08:55 AM, "RiverValley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote in response to a "No-Till" article posted by Jane: > > > > >I'm wondering if members of the list > > >have experience using no-till in a > > >small farm, market garden setting, > > >particularly in mild climates like the > > >pacific northwest US. What problems, > > >successes have people had? What types > > >of tillage and tillage tools do people > > >use and prefer? > > > > Daniel, modern no-till involves first killing off the > > vegetation with chemicals and then planting through the > > stubble. For further proof of its insidious nature, I suggest > > you go down in the original article a few paragraphs until you > > find this sentence: > > > > "There are economic and environmental drawbacks to no-till, > > including the fact that more pesticide is usually needed to > > fight the organisms that find homes in the residue." > > > > The no-till scheme Jane posted is a chemical Trojan horse and I > > suggest you stay away from it. I suspect she was just trying > > to warn us of the danger. No-till pushers are in the category > > of those who coin "war is peace" and "slavery is freedom" > > doublespeak phrases. > > > > The half-inch of woody waste that no-till chemical shills brag > > about amounts to dip-squat when measured against the 5%-10% > > soil organic matter that good farming practice can achieve with > > consistent cover crop plowdown and proper soil > > remineralization. > > > > Having said all that, I'll add that there is one Pennsylvania > > farmer who has perfected a no-till system involving a huge > > flattening roller that he crushes his cover crops with. He > > then plants through the residue. As far as I know, he uses no > > toxic chemicals. I believe Rodale made a video of his tomato > > operations. > > > > Regards, > > Rex Harrill > > > > > > > >
Re: Peppering
thing such as some embroidery cotton, cut to the > > right lengths and put where it was needed has been sufficient to change > > infertile countryinto productive. > > The secret of Radionic broadcast does not lie in the complexity of the > > instrument , but in an understanding of the techniques that are applicable > > to each individual project. > > It intrigues me that such an important advance in science as developed by > > Ruth Drown and Abrams should be obstructed in America,, and others such as > > Tansley, De La Warr, Copen and others who have devoted their life trying > to > > unravel the intricacies of Radionics have enabled it to be accepted in > other > > countries. > > > > Radionics is being used in other countries , even by Government > departments > > to overcome intractible problems which cannot be solved any other way. > Just > > imagine being able to go around a 150 acre paddock and doing your soil > tests > > on the spot, takes you about 10 minutes each one. No more waiting for > > results to come back. Become your own expert. The Russians are experts on > > radionic technique in Agriculture. > > The problem is that as Athroposophically inclined people we can allow our > > lives to be run by what we interpret as what Steiner said, but do not give > > any credit for techniques that have been developed anywhere else.Use the > > best of all the techniques, keep ourselves up with developments in > > mainstream science and build an integrated system. > > The reason that BD is not so widely accepted is that the proponents of the > > system make claims for it that > > > > Unlike Glen in NZ, we are not meeting any obstruction in our Radionic Work > > in Australia. > > The local grape growers are becoming very interested in the use of > peppering > > on a large scale for keeping birds out of the vineyards. results can save > > vignerons thousands of dollars per hectare in lost fruit. The techniques > are > > used by Landcare groups, Greening Australia are looking at the use of > > pyramids and peppering to protect new plantings from rabbits, hares and > > kangaroos. Using recycled microwave magnets and bronze welding rods you > can > > make a pyramid broadcaster for maybe $10. Unlike field broadcasters [ of > > which there are as many designs and theories as there are people who use > > them ] the pyramid broadcasters of Egypt are still there thousands of > years > > later still doing what they were built to do. > > At present Barbara and I are trialling burning of insects and weeds v > > decomposition, and really there is not much difference in any of the > > methods. What is important in how you put it out. Forget this scarcity > > mentality of putting a few drops in a tank of water and expecting it to > > work. It would seem at this point that homeopathic potentising by radionic > > methods is the way to go. 200 litres to the ha. of BD 501 potentised to M > > potency can get rid of thistles equivalent to any herbicide. > > > > Looking forward to catching up with you soon. > > > > James Hedley > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "D & S Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:26 AM > > Subject: Re: Peppering > > > > > > > All: It is interesting that this subject has come up now. I'm currently > > > experimenting with peppers and I wasn't going to write about it until I > > was > > > sure of the results, but circumstance seems to say I should. > > > Over winter I built a pyramid that I saw at the Wizards of Oz workshop, > I > > > think it originally came from James Hedley but I'm not sure. It is a > > pyramid > > > frame constructed from 8 brass welding rods with very strong magnets > > mounted > > > at the kings chamber height. > > > I had a horde of monoleptre beetles attack a mulberry tree, this usually > > > leads to odd trees being completely stripped of foliage, following > Barbara > > > Hedleys advise I doused what to do with the pyramid. As a result I put > the > > > pyramid in the orchard, put in a map with written intent and squashed > some > > > beetles in a plastic bag, within 2 days there was noticeably less > beetles > > > and a week later they were all gone except for the odd confused > straggler, > > > this is not proof that the pepper worked, these beetles have a > reputation > > > for disappearing, but usually they strip the tree first in my &
Re: Peppering
e Russians are experts on > radionic technique in Agriculture. > The problem is that as Athroposophically inclined people we can allow our > lives to be run by what we interpret as what Steiner said, but do not give > any credit for techniques that have been developed anywhere else.Use the > best of all the techniques, keep ourselves up with developments in > mainstream science and build an integrated system. > The reason that BD is not so widely accepted is that the proponents of the > system make claims for it that > > Unlike Glen in NZ, we are not meeting any obstruction in our Radionic Work > in Australia. > The local grape growers are becoming very interested in the use of peppering > on a large scale for keeping birds out of the vineyards. results can save > vignerons thousands of dollars per hectare in lost fruit. The techniques are > used by Landcare groups, Greening Australia are looking at the use of > pyramids and peppering to protect new plantings from rabbits, hares and > kangaroos. Using recycled microwave magnets and bronze welding rods you can > make a pyramid broadcaster for maybe $10. Unlike field broadcasters [ of > which there are as many designs and theories as there are people who use > them ] the pyramid broadcasters of Egypt are still there thousands of years > later still doing what they were built to do. > At present Barbara and I are trialling burning of insects and weeds v > decomposition, and really there is not much difference in any of the > methods. What is important in how you put it out. Forget this scarcity > mentality of putting a few drops in a tank of water and expecting it to > work. It would seem at this point that homeopathic potentising by radionic > methods is the way to go. 200 litres to the ha. of BD 501 potentised to M > potency can get rid of thistles equivalent to any herbicide. > > Looking forward to catching up with you soon. > > James Hedley > > - Original Message - > From: "D & S Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:26 AM > Subject: Re: Peppering > > > > All: It is interesting that this subject has come up now. I'm currently > > experimenting with peppers and I wasn't going to write about it until I > was > > sure of the results, but circumstance seems to say I should. > > Over winter I built a pyramid that I saw at the Wizards of Oz workshop, I > > think it originally came from James Hedley but I'm not sure. It is a > pyramid > > frame constructed from 8 brass welding rods with very strong magnets > mounted > > at the kings chamber height. > > I had a horde of monoleptre beetles attack a mulberry tree, this usually > > leads to odd trees being completely stripped of foliage, following Barbara > > Hedleys advise I doused what to do with the pyramid. As a result I put the > > pyramid in the orchard, put in a map with written intent and squashed some > > beetles in a plastic bag, within 2 days there was noticeably less beetles > > and a week later they were all gone except for the odd confused straggler, > > this is not proof that the pepper worked, these beetles have a reputation > > for disappearing, but usually they strip the tree first in my experience, > > the tree in question is in quite good condition now. > > Flush with success I then decided to try to fix our scourge of scale > > insects, aphids and leaf minors which always attack our roses and citrus > > when they sprout new growth and flowers in spring. Spring here is almost > > invariably dry and most plants become stressed until the rains build up to > > summer. > > This time the dousing said I could do it without the squashed bugs, so I > > just used the map and intent message. That was 5 days ago. > > This mornings investigation showed 2 aphids, the scale insects are drying > up > > and can be easily brushed off, I think they are dying. As for the leaf > > miners, I can't see any new activity but then I never can until they have > > demolished the leaf. > > I am not claiming success yet but things do look promising. All this has > > been done without regard to times > > David C > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Lloyd Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, 28 September 2002 7:09 AM > > Subject: Re: Peppering > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Allan Balliett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:32 PM > &g
Re: soil test
Liz: Here on the coast flat wet swampy areas nearly always support Melaluca forests. They are useful in that they don't appear to effect the pasture around them and bees get regular flowering from them, may be the go for you. David C - Original Message - From: "Liz Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2002 6:08 AM Subject: Re: soil test > Hi Lloyd, > You and I had the same expectations of the penetrometer. The OM > is 3.9% (not bad). Thanks for your advice Lloyd, will follow up with some > pot trials for my learning, hopefully start this w/end, have been very ill > for over a week now, way behind on assignments & study. > I understand cost concerns, but this paddock is a priority as it will one > day shelter them from the constant batter of the main winds. Like the idea > of tea trees, do you mean Leptospermum (SP?) or Melaleuca? Thanks again > Lloyd. > L&L > Liz > > > on 1/10/02 11:15 AM, Lloyd Charles at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > - Original Message - From: Liz Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 6:23 AM Subject: soil > > test > > > > Hi Liz You've got me stumped this time!! If its wet and the soil has not had > > much (or any) cultivation the penetrometer should bottom out and not go much > > over 250 Magnesium at 57% says a sticky, yucky, glue to your boots type soil, > > but I would expect the tec to be high twenties (or more) - tec 16 says a nice > > strong loamy formation and you say no slaking or dispersion - this sounds like > > a little wet tea tree flat - peaty maybe? What was the OM from the soil test?? > > > > > >> Hi Lloyd, Gil & David; > >> > >> Pleased to hear from you guys. You described the soil almost to a 'T' Lloyd > >> it is a heavy waterlogged soil, that seems to never dry. The aggregates have > >> not slaked or dispersed. (is that the Mg causing that and or lack of clay?) > >> It's an area of about 6 acres, so they are happy to turn up the soil & add > >> lime. I think I would want to see what this patch is like in a normal (or > >> better) rainfall year before plowing it . Other species besides Casurinas > >> (tubestock) were planted but the majority were cas. and were picked for the > >> wet conditions of this paddock. A small creek runs through the beginning of > >> this paddock, but it is usually dry. They have watered the trees, but it is > >> thought that the moist soil was eventually the killer of the trees. > >> > >> Here is where my ignorance really shines through. Should they first work on > >> disturbing the soil & liming, then apply preps, such as 500? If it makes > >> sense to plow this patch - farm it for a year or two - and it will produce > >> something useful and profitable - then go ahead - but if the sole purpose is > >> to ameliorate the soil to then 'revegetate it' successfully - then I question > >> the wisdom of that. It may be better left alone - certainly cheaper. I think > >> I would try the preps first and also do some pot trials to see what happens > >> when you disturb it. What does this soil look like when you dry it out ? What > >> will it grow ? What happens when you add the amount of lime required to > >> 'balance' it? Look at the subsoil too it could be a problem like boron > >> toxicity or similar. You can find out a lot of useful things in a few pots in > >> the backyard, low cost and free of the heartache of an in field stuff up! > >> Gotta go Lloyd Charles > >> > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Peppering
All: It is interesting that this subject has come up now. I'm currently experimenting with peppers and I wasn't going to write about it until I was sure of the results, but circumstance seems to say I should. Over winter I built a pyramid that I saw at the Wizards of Oz workshop, I think it originally came from James Hedley but I'm not sure. It is a pyramid frame constructed from 8 brass welding rods with very strong magnets mounted at the kings chamber height. I had a horde of monoleptre beetles attack a mulberry tree, this usually leads to odd trees being completely stripped of foliage, following Barbara Hedleys advise I doused what to do with the pyramid. As a result I put the pyramid in the orchard, put in a map with written intent and squashed some beetles in a plastic bag, within 2 days there was noticeably less beetles and a week later they were all gone except for the odd confused straggler, this is not proof that the pepper worked, these beetles have a reputation for disappearing, but usually they strip the tree first in my experience, the tree in question is in quite good condition now. Flush with success I then decided to try to fix our scourge of scale insects, aphids and leaf minors which always attack our roses and citrus when they sprout new growth and flowers in spring. Spring here is almost invariably dry and most plants become stressed until the rains build up to summer. This time the dousing said I could do it without the squashed bugs, so I just used the map and intent message. That was 5 days ago. This mornings investigation showed 2 aphids, the scale insects are drying up and can be easily brushed off, I think they are dying. As for the leaf miners, I can't see any new activity but then I never can until they have demolished the leaf. I am not claiming success yet but things do look promising. All this has been done without regard to times David C - Original Message - From: "Lloyd Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, 28 September 2002 7:09 AM Subject: Re: Peppering > > - Original Message - > From: Allan Balliett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:32 PM > Subject: Peppering > > > > Glen, Lloyd, et al - > > > > Over the years I've run into more and more farmers who simply make > > peppers whenever they collect 'enough pests.' They do this without > > concern for celestial aspects. All that have reported to me have been > > successful beyond their expectations. > > > > Ignoring these good results, as is often the limitation of my own > > logic, I have to ask if you folks only pepper according to Steiner's > > instructions for planetary position or if you've found that the > > peppers are effective made most any time. > > > > Thanks > > > > -Allan > Hi Allan > I am a novice and my experience limited > Insect peppers made by decomposing the insect rather than burning (this is > in "Agriculture" chapter six) have worked really well for me with no regard > to timing. But small areas treated and the critters only had to move. > Weed peppers - I have made the ash per Steiner or by dowsing for the > appropriate timing - I then apply these when it fits with my field > operations - I use liquid calcium molasses also to deter weeds and will > potentise the spray tank with the ash of the major weed for that paddock, > also do this when I foliar feed. > All of my physical application stuff goes out potentised - D8 for starters - > or I'll dowse it and sometimes go way up the scale - I'm shooting in the > dark here -Glen knows this stuff!! After two years I think I can see some > effects on weeds in crops - do we want total elimination?? If yes then we > better be on the ball to replace those plants with something more desirable > before nature does the job with a tougher weed!! > Arthur Daikin used neat ash of mustard weed down the seeder tube with the > wheat when he planted, the photos of the crop were convincing. > I have used a field broadcaster on silverleaf nightshade and got a > detrimental (to the weed) effect you could see with a 36 hour broadcast. > There are many many variables - Maria Thun advised grinding the ash for a > full hour in the mortar and pestle before potentising, I think the "intent" > of the person doing the work definitely has an effect. > I collect and store material for peppering at every opportunity - bugs and > weed seed are very seasonal and when you want to use a pepper will usually > not be the time to be looking for material to burn or the timing will be > wrong. > I have wandered away from your original question but hope this is of some > use. I hope Glen and also Barbara or James Hedley will come in on this. > Cheers > Lloyd Charles > > > >
Re: Cover crop
SStorch wrote. If you are using bd, you do not need to buy inoculants for legumes since they > are already in the remedies, that is what I mean...sstorch > This is a new one on me. I have never heard this claim before. I know that in Australia the inoculants for legumes do not occur naturally and I would doubt that BD preps would contain them. I'm happy to be wrong but I would like to be reassured that the statement is correct. David C
Re: [globalnews] War on Iraq? Not so fast
- Original Message - From: "Eve Cruse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 26 August 2002 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [globalnews] War on Iraq? Not so fast > Hi David, > > I agree that my comparison was insulting < to the snakes, and I am not > promoting war, which is always an indication of the failure of more rational > methods of problem solving. I am not even a Bush fan. If I lived in the US I > would have voted democrat. > > What I do say, is that in this less-than-perfect world there are times when > pre-emptive strikes are necessary, and even desirable, rather than risk a > far worse outcome. Pre-emptive strikes, motivated by fear of the unknown, that kill the innocent are murder, War is not the sanitised pictures you see on TV or the Stallone bullshit Hollywood loves, it's coming too after the explosion, laying in your own shit and slowly realising that the mud on your face is your best friends guts. War is little kids petrified with fear and screaming, screaming and screaming because their mother was just blown apart in front of them. War is pieces of little kids all around you. Ask a vet of front line action, war doesn't hurt the leaders who start them only the little people who have no say. > As for spin doctors, they work on both sides. Hitler, Goebbels et al were > all masters at propaganda, as Hussein also seems to be. And we as > individuals simply do not have the reliable information needed to make the difficult decisions. > > If military action is contemplated, whether 'declared' or not, then secrecy > is essential. I grew up in London during WW11 and remember everywhere signs saying "loose lips sink ships" and the like. And it also was used to cover the stuff ups, the time you speak of was different to now, there was in fact a war on, now we are being manipulated by all manner of interests who claim knowledge without producing the evidence, secretcy is the wall they hide behind. > If a pre-emptive strike is made against Iraq, which seems likely, what would > we think if after it weapons of mass destruction were found there in an > advanced state of development? Remember, Hussein like Hitler is a > megalomaniac, and as such he is very likely to use such weapons. > > Don > More to the point what if there were no weapons of mass destruction? All just bad luck? Do you think we would be told the truth? In the overall scheme of things Hussein is a piss ant, if they so badly want to take him out then turn their resources to getting just him, don't slaughter the innocent as well. David C > > > > > From: "D & S Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:27:23 +1000 > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [globalnews] War on Iraq? Not so fast > > > > Don: I live where there are numerous varieties of poisonous snakes most of > > which have their myths on their power to strike and bite. My experience with > > them is that in most cases they just want to go about their business and > > help me by eating the mice and rats. > > > > Occasionally we do kill one that gets into our "living room" but we don't > > run around slaughtering them all, just in case they do come into our "living > > room" > > > > We will never know the what the outcome of Churchill's plan. Not all of his > > plans were as good as we are wont to remember, the outcome could have been > > worse. > > > > Can you or any of us believe what the spin doctors feed us? Right now there > > are reports that the invasion has begun, yet our erstwhile leaders are > > denying this, why? If it is so then the Iraqi's would certainly know about > > it, so it can't be security reasons. It can only be an attempt to mislead > > our own people. > > > > Sorry I can't trust liars, who wish to kill thousands of people for dubious > > reasons. Then again I suppose they are just Iraqis not Americans so it is > > probably OK. > > David C > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Eve Cruse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, 25 August 2002 3:08 AM > > Subject: Re: [globalnews] War on Iraq? Not so fast > > > > > >> > >> > >>> From: Roger Pye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Organization: Earthcare Environmental Solutions > >>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:05:57 +1000 > >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Subject: Re: FW: [globalnews] War on Iraq? Not so fast > >
Re: water, war, present times, the future
I think you are in the wrong job, anyone who can use Christ Consciousness to justify war should be working for G.W. Bush, I suggest you check what they are putting in your coffee. David C - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 26 August 2002 8:32 AM Subject: water, war, present times, the future > I did my usual routine this morning, fed the cows and went to the coffee shop > at the edge of the farm [how convenient]. I got my cuppa and sat in my > ''spot" in the corner by the window. It was still early and the Sunday > papers were still being assembled. I don't like to read the paper, so I just > through over a casual glance and something on the most important slot on the > cover of the NY Times caught my eye. A color photo of some farm fields and > the headline "In the Race to Tap Euphrates, the Upper Hand is Upstream" got > my attention. As I read about the area that is the fertile crescent, the > birthplace of modern agriculture that occurred 5000 years ago, it struck me > as ironic that history is repeating itself in this way, in these times. It > was after all the embattlement over water that ended the incredible reign of > prosperity that this region enjoyed. So many millenia later the scenario > repeats, the names of the countries are different and the weapions will be > different but what is at stake is basically the same. Add technology with > greed and ambition and the three or four nations on this river want to pump > 50- 60 billion gallons of water from a river that flows about 35 billion > gallons. Doesn't add up. This is a crisis and a cenario playing out all > over the world. Right here on Long Island, a small island in the Peconic > Bay, Shelter Island, has run out of water. People have to go to the high > school and shower by water that is trucked onto the island, restaurants are > closed. Nobody seems upset by this, not yet. So, in my head I connect all > these events, water, war, pollution, Israel, Hussein, Bush. I still think > that people are going to die. Lots of people. I do not want them to, but > the reality is they will die. They are dying of starvation, they are dying > of thirst, dying of AIDS, and dying of cancer. We are dying at the hands of > fellow man. We will fight eachother for the last drop of water. It could be > the way the war of all against all is going to start. So my statement the > other day to bring on the other phase of the war still stands. I feel > strongly that we must move on. Of course innocent people will die, but they > suffer so that we may live a cushy life in the USA. Heck, I spend more on > gas for my truck than they spend on food for their family. It is too bad. > It is not right. Even in the way I consciously choose to live and make the > healing of the Earth and people my priority I cannot help but feel that the > lives that are going to be sacrificed in the near future will help clear the > ether and usher in a new age of peace and the Christed Consciousness and > prosperity, such that the Earth will shine like a bright star out into the > cosmos and the people of the earth will vibrate to a higher vibration in the > fourth dimension of planet Earth. Something is coming down the pike, I hope > we can handle what it is ''we'' have been called upon to do...SStorch > >
Re: Ferdy for Australia & New Zealand
Ferdy: You're welcome at my house, you won't learn much from me, but I make a good cuppa. Let us know where you are going and we'll see what can be arranged. David C - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:13 AM Subject: Ferdy for Australia & New Zealand > Dear Allan, > I will be in Australia and New Zealand from January 13th 2003 until > February 27th, 2003. Are there any connections you know of where I could > learn more about BD down'under? All the best Ferdinand > -- > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > C-DAR HOUSE: a Centre for the transformation of the voice of the forest > into an understanding of its soul through the arts. Fax: 604 898-1512 > Phone: 604-898-9101 Web site: http://www.c-dar.com > >
A list of the list
Allan; If time permits, could you tell us how many subscribers there are to the list and the countries the list goes to, I've often wondered. David C
Re: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages)
This has never happened to me, I usually get the attachments which usually, not always, is followed by a reminder from Allan not to do it. Sounds like a local ISP thing. Whoops!! I just checked my folders I don't seem to have received that E-mail. David C PS I have just found a attachment to Janes post on "World Healing day" saying that an attachment had been stripped. Is there a virus at work? - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2002 1:52 AM Subject: STRIPPED ATTACHMENT Re: : Koliskos on 'Smallest Entities In Agriculture' and The Calcium Process in Nature (long 6 pages) > First off, tech questions are best sent directly to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Next, the message you refer to was 19k in size and I received the full thing. > > How many others are getting this ATTACHMENT ... REMOVED message? > > -Allan > > >How do we get all these emails that are being stripped? > > > >Gil > > > >Robin Duchesneau wrote: > > > >> ***> ATTACHMENT AUTOMATICALLY REMOVED! <** > >
Re: Storing Preps
Allan; As I recall from long ago when I first started storing preps the primary purpose of the peat moss was to act as a natural insulator to maintain the preps at a constant temperature. Since then I have heard that peat has some natural life nurturing properties, I don't know about that, I do know that people like to come up with myths to explain their actions when they are doing something outside that which is considered the norm. The reason for the clay jars was again it is a natural substance, I myself have successfully used large glass jars with loose lids. The loose lid being the important feature to allow the preps to breathe. If the preps start to dry out sprinkle in some rain water, but be very carefully, the difference between just right and too wet is very small. My two bobs worth. David C - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, 20 August 2002 5:16 AM Subject: Re: Storing Preps > Dave - A few years back I had a bunch of my preps dessicate in > storage. JPI attributed this to my peat moss not being damped. I had > never considered damping it, figuring that dry was best. Now I keep > it damp and feel that I'm 'supposed to.' I have not had 500 suck up > water. > > I keep my preps in old timey hinge-topped mason jars, with the rubber > removed. I keep the jars closed but not latched. The idea is that, > without the rubber, the jars provide 'just the right amount of > aeration..' > > -Allan > > > >At 12:00 PM 8/18/02 -0400, Merla wrote: > >>The terra cotta pots and wet peat moss are for storing little tiny > >>ziplocks of Bio-Dynamic preparations. It is most important to keep the > >>organisms in the prep alive. I have a big pot with moss in it, but > >>SStorch's message just informed me for the first time that I should have > >>wet the moss. I've probably killed everything because it's really arid > >>here in August even in my root cellar. > > > >Not so. We typically store in boxes lined with dry peat moss. One > >time, I used damp peat around a terra cotta pot. It turns out that > >prep 500 is hygroscopic, sucks up water like a sponge. The prep > >turned into soup and was ruined. Do other folks have comments? > >I recall one post that a low-cost storage device is to buy one of > >those plastic-wrapped bales of peat moss. Cut a slice off the top > >on three sides, so that the 4th side serves as a hinge and the top > >slice is a couple of inches thick. Hollow out holes in which to put > >your prep containers. Set the top back in place and store -- a root > >cellar would be fine. > > > > > > > >== > >Dave Robison > >
Koliskos
Chapter 1 Quote. "The lime works much more powerfully 9 we use a minute quantity. Whenever we have to introduce lime into the soil we need not dig in a ,'large quantity of the solid matter, but spray a certain potency carefully on the surface of the soil. It is an easy, and a very economical way of helping the soil which is lacking in lime." At the wizards workshop it was stressed by some speakers that homeopathic applications of lime had to be backed up by actually physically spreading lime, in view of the recent discussion on "rich father poor son' effect of spreading lime, is the homeopathic application only a short term measure? For example will homeopathic lime change the readings of an Albrecht soil test. Would I be correct in assuming that homeopathic applications of other elements such as phosphorus and potassium would similar to calcium in their effect. Sorry if sounds confused but I am. The Kolisko experiment mentions only the sprouting of seeds. No long term effects, perhaps it is expanded on further in the book. David C
Re: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies
Allan: I would like to do both things, I feel to discuss a book one needs to read the book, I repeat the question. Does anyone know who to approach to have it reprinted? If you have a copy who printed it? I appreciate you going to the trouble of sending excerpts but I would really like to be able to study the whole book, I feel it would be of great use to those of us using potentised preps. I believe in going to the source if you want something to happen. David C > David - Do you need to 'own it,' or would you like to discuss it? If > there are people interested in discussing it, I don't mind posting > exerpts of it to the list. No point, though, if no one is interested. > > -Allan
Re: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies
Allan: Sorry mate I thought it was an advertisement for your conference. Agriculture of Tomorrow is obviously a book relevant to where some BD practitioners are heading, does anyone know who we can approach to have it reprinted? David C - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, 10 August 2002 8:40 PM Subject: Kolisko's Work was Re: Viability of Homeopathic Potencies > I posted the comment below in the hopes of stimulating some interest > in posting and discussing the work of the Kolisko's through their > monumental book, Agriclture of Tomorrow. > > Gosh, it didn't provoke a single rise. > > Is there really no interest on BD Now! in this most important work, > which was initially directed by RS himself? > > -Allan > > > >>About eight or ten years ago, I heard a talk by an agricultural > >>homoeopath, who > >>stated some potencies sedated, while others stimulated, some are life > >>supporting and some are life suppressing. I can't find my notes at the moment > >>and I wondered if you had come across this or found it in the work you have > >>done. I am concerned that some of us armed with only part knowledge, may be > >>using potencies that have an effect other than the one we are aiming to have. > > > >Gil - The Kolisko's tracked this information and reported it in > >AGRICULTURE of TOMORROW, which, unfortunately, is out of print. What > >you say is correct: one potency may do wonders and the next 'higher' > >may do almost the opposite. Potentization, for the practical farmer, > >is something you want to know a lot about before you start using it > >on your crop lands or pastures. > > > >I was posting some of this this information to BD Now! last year, > >but the apparent lack of interest didn't make it seem worth the > >effort(s). > > > >For those in North America who want an introduction to potentization > >from an experienced practitioner, don't miss Glen Atkinson at the > >Mid-Atlantic Biodynamic Food and Farming Conference on Oct 4-6 of > >this year or his workshop later in the month in Northen California. > > > >-Allan > >
Re: The Wizards weekend
- Original Message -
From:
Robin
Duchesneau
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 8 July 2002 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: The Wizards weekend
D&S,
The Radionics Wizard weekend must of been very interesting
indeed. The world of subtle energies certainly can spike our
curiosity. I have to admit, though, that I like to keep a grain of
skepticism when it comes to certain subject. Because, I'd only
heard a bit about radionics, I decided to look it up on the web. The WWW
is packed with pages explaining the phenomenon. Gosh... some will even
sell you a PC version?!?
SNIP
. A good debate is probably needed...
While I agree that good debate is always needed, I think that it would be
in your interest to investigate previous discussions on broadcasters etc in
the BDNOW archives.
What is your feeling on this subject having been to a recent
conference?
The conference reinforced my belief that Radionics is a tool for the
future.
Have you found a pragmatic purpose for
this tool for biodynamic farmers?
Certainly have. I refer you to the previous
discussions on broadcasters.
For example, could we use the technology to ascertain plant
health, or diagnose soil health conditions?
Yes. I saw it done on the weekend.
DO have an idea what kind of experiments we could
perform to "test" the efficiency of radionics?
The "tests" are already underway in that the farmers already using
Radionics are happy with it and convinced that it is the right way to go.
Further to that, the only person I need to convince is me. If I was worried
about convincing others I wouldn't be in BD.
Finally to quote the father of radionics:
``The physician is only allowed to think he knows it all, but the
quack, ungoverned by conscience, is permitted to know he knows it all; and
with a fertile mental field for humbuggery, truth can never successfully
compete with untruth.''
- Dr. Albert Abrams
Perhaps we could add " This shouldn't stop us
seeking the truth"
David C
- Original Message -
From:
D & S
Chamberlain
To: BDNOW
Sent: July 7, 2002 4:08 AM
Subject: The Wizards weekend
All: I have just returned from the Radionics weekend. What a
wonderful andinspiring time it was, I saw things and people that I have only
read aboutpreviously and it lead me to believe that radionics has one hell
of afuture, I need time to take in all I have seen and learnt. Cheryl
Kemp,Hamish McKay and the BDFGAA staff are to be congratulated. 44
people from as far as the North of Western Australia attended.David
C
The Wizards weekend
All: I have just returned from the Radionics weekend. What a wonderful and inspiring time it was, I saw things and people that I have only read about previously and it lead me to believe that radionics has one hell of a future, I need time to take in all I have seen and learnt. Cheryl Kemp, Hamish McKay and the BDFGAA staff are to be congratulated. 44 people from as far as the North of Western Australia attended. David C
Re: Certification
Allan: I would prefer the BFA mainly because of a long association with them, they are very professional and I think the largest, I think most certifying bodies have web sites try www.bfa.com.au for a start. I think you should contact agents as part of your planning to decide what to grow, grow what the market wants that is applicable to your area, not what you think they should want. David C - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2002 9:13 AM Subject: Re: Certification David:Thanks for the advice.Yes I will be contacting a certifying body however which one?.Are they all much of a muchness?. I have spoken to the neighbours and they have said the place has had only horses and cattle on it for the last 7 odd yrs.Before that there was a small dairy. I intend to grow a range of vegetables and citrus which leads me to another question.Should I start contacting agents / merchants for the produce?. Allan Emerton
Re: Should Australia go native?
Maybe you should get your mate John Melloncamp to sing a song and sort it all out for us. David C - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2002 11:37 PM Subject: Re: Should Australia go native? > > In a message dated 7/1/02 2:53:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << > > My thoughts exactly and I bet 80% of the population agree! Sad eh? >> > > Australia should go native. You should all get your ex-con limey butts back > to England and sip your tea at 4:30. Put the aboriginals in charge at the > very least and relinquish the rights to your land. If you need a ride back > to England follow you prime minister into gwbush and board air force one, > pre-approved by the new world order. Peace on Earth, Good Will toward Men... > by the way anyone making any preparations here on the list or are we too > busy whining??? > >
Re: Certification
Allan: I suggest you contact the certifying body first and find out their requirements, it ain't easy but it will give you an idea of what you should be looking for, agents usually don't know the sort of things you will want to know so do your own investigations, check out your neighbours and hear what they do that may effect you and they will usually give you the low down on the place rather than the agents spiel. Other than that what do you intend doing with the place? David C - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2002 4:16 PM Subject: Certification Hello to all!. Thank you all for a very informative group forum. I am at the moment in the process of buying 98 acres of land that has had only been used for horse and cattle agistment for the last 7yrs and before that nothing. Can this forum give me some advise as to how to go about certification?. Should I approach an Organic certification body and have the acreage go through their process?,then attempt Biodynamic?. Are there any more questions I should ask the land agent?. I will be contacting the various organisations here in Australia of course but before that I would like to have some of this lists wisdom first. Best Regards Allan Emerton
Re: Should Australia go native?
Go Lloyd The practicality of us going over a different system say that this just won't happen in the foreseeable future. For a start the whole system here is built around export, will you buy some obscure product instead of wheat? On another point, it was a waste of time G. W. Bush having a colonoscopy on the weekend, they should have just asked our Prime Minister John Howard what he saw while he was up there a few weeks ago. David C - Original Message - From: "Lloyd Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, 30 June 2002 3:13 PM Subject: Re: Should Australia go native? > > - Original Message - > From: Tony Nelson-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 1:19 AM > Subject: Should Australia go native? > > > . He thinks it's time to stop pretending that Australia has a European > environment; the introduced garden plants which made early settlers feel > at home should be replaced with native species (amongst which he claims > there are many equally attractive) and > agriculture should stop producing such inappropriate crops as wheat and > sheepmeat. He claims that, at current levels of consumption, a population > of only 7-8 million could be supported sustainably (as opposed to the > current 19 million, let alone the 50 million called for by business by > 2050). It sounds persuasive, but I've not heard any arguments against. > > Hi Tony > Just so you wont be dissappointed I'll do it . > I dont know flannery or his history but there are plenty of his ilk > around and most of em have a couple of things in common > # usually never been involved in any form of agriculture for profit > # most make their living interfering in the livelihoods of other people in > some field that almost never directly impacts on themselves > # its normal that the most vocal of them are in secure taxpayer funded > work - public "service" or the education system > You should by now be able to decide that I am extremely biased > Now for the garden plants - some readers will already know that Australian > native plants - specially eucalypts - are some of the most inflammable > vegetation on earth - a eucalypt forest fire in full flight makes what is > happening in the western US at the moment look like a backyard Bar-B-Que - > (I apologise to those affected by these fires but its essentially the truth) > so at the urging of the flannery brigade we went ahead and planted half > suburbia down to Aussie natives then people wonder why we have problems with > bushfires. Northern hemisphere ornamental plants make much more sense for > most suburban plantings - most of our urban population lives in places with > adequate rainfall to grow them - they are in the main fire resistant in > summer - and the tree species are a whole lot more attractive in most > cases. > Our wheat and sheep farming system is equally as appropriate to our > landscape as most other extensive farming is anywhere on the planet - the > wheat sheep zone of central - southern New South Wales and Victoria is in > better shape ecologically than at any time since 1900 - doubters need only > go look at photographs of the countryside 1900 to 1945 and their mouths will > shut very quickly > Tony my ancestors were squeezed (or starved ) out of the western bit of > England (Wales) about 1850 - if this character and his mates had their way - > you better move over and make some room cause we will have to come back > home. You can bet your life that when the population of this country is > reduced to its 8 million carrying capacity Mr flannery will not be among the > first volunteers to find alternative accommodation. > These people have a desperate lack of common sense! of course agriculture > is an artificial and un natural system, as is all organised human society. > Why dont these people wake up and do something constructive. > >
Re: Roundup alternative
Allan: I have used paint thinners to kill weeds successfully in the past, used to get the used thinners from where I worked, they were only too pleased to get rid of it. Paint it on and it burns the leaves very quickly, then evaporates, probably doesn't do the atmosphere any good but it works, particularly good on weeds growing in pathways and cracks. David C
Re: Free Range Chickens' Ailments
I have run freerange chooks for many years and always cull any that are obviously ill. 1. To put the poor buggar out of it's misery. 2. To stop infecting the others because it is possible to build up infection in the soil. Some chooks seem to be prone to certain diseases, even if it does clear up they will probably get it again, your best bet is to cull for only those with the strongest constitution, it pays off for you and the chooks. The draw back is that you finish up with a lot of old girls enjoying semi retirement,our oldest are about 9 years old and still laying the odd egg. David C - Original Message - From: "Doug & Jay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, 5 June 2002 7:11 AM Subject: Free Range Chickens' Ailments > Can anyone direct me toward info on herbal or homeopathic > treatment of chicken ailments? > > Does anyone have experience in this area? > > Normally our free range layers are in good health, however, occasionally one > will contract something. An older tailess Araucana hen seems to have > chronic diahrrea and associated crappy rear. In all other ways she appears > normal, ie, laying, scratching, running about, eating, maintaining normal > weight. Usually this > sort of thing in a bird clears up by itself, but this has not. The > remainder of the flock of 60 appear fine. > > Thanks, > Doug > > > _ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > >
Re: Cows
If I could get that much per beast I'd move the family out of the house and the cows in. David C - Original Message - From: "Hugh Lovel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2002 11:46 PM Subject: Re: Cows Snip Selling it direct I get about $3.50/lb average with T-Bones bringing $7.00/lb and soup bones $1.00/lb. With a 1,000 lb animal on the hoof that dresses out at 500 lbs. that comes to roughly $1,700 per animal, which is way, way over beef prices. Of course, I'll have about 300 in butchering and wrapping costs, so the net is under $1,500 and when I add up all the other costs it is under $1,000. Still worth it. > > Best, > Hugh Lovel > Visit our website at: www.unionag.org > >
Re: Cows
Deborah: I like to leave my calves on the mother for 8 to 12 weeks longer if possible, the calves taken early are usually from dairies where they want the milk production from the cow, David C - Original Message - From: "Deborah Byron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, 31 May 2002 12:33 AM Subject: Cows > I've often been impressed with the reverence I've heard expressed on > this list for the cow and the spiritual qualities cows bring to the > farm. So I just have to ask a question that puzzles me--is taking 3 day > old calves away from their mothers the norm even among BD farmers? To > someone unfamilial with cow management, it sounds way to early to be > good for either mother or calf. > > Warm regards, > Deborah > >
Re: Calf raising
Advise? have I ever! Make sure that the calf has at least three days on the mother, buy a large dog collar and use it to teach the calf to lead and tie up, it gives you something to control the calf from early on, put some time and patience into getting the calf used to being handled all over. I would be wary of raw milk unless I was sure it was from a healthy source other wise you have the right idea, perhaps watch the salt. If you teach the calf to tether on a long rope and chain you can move it around regularly so it is not grazing near it's own manure and it is getting fresh grass. Always use a length of chain attached to the calf when tethering, the reason being that it tends to hang straight down and lay flat on the ground reducing the tendency for the rope to tangle around the legs. Resist the tendency to over feed with milk, many calves die because of poor feed control, remember on their mother they feed when they feel like it, you will restrict the feed times and they tend to over eat, If the calf starts scouring take it straight off milk and onto electrolytes, if this doesn't work quickly then get the vet, they usually die from dehydration. I really like Jerseys, they have great milk and cream, unfortunately their teats are usually too small for comfortable hand milking, but as a house cow I know no better. Good luck. David C - Original Message - From: "D" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2002 12:20 AM Subject: Calf raising > We are going to be getting a Jersey calf soon. It will be between 3 days > and one month old. I was hoping to get some advice on feeding it. > > We are planning on giving it free choice hay, free choice mixture of kelp > and salt, milk replacer with EM (effective microorganisms) added, and access > to green grass. We may be able to get raw milk for it but probably not. > > Any advice? > > Daniel > - Original Message - > From: "Bonnie York" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:20 AM > > > > > > >
Re: Cows
Pam: Dexter cattle are about half size to most breeds, I tried breeding some here in Oz and got everything from a dwarf to mostly full size, I have just sold off the last of them for slaughter. I would not advise getting into them unless you are sure that you are getting good stock and are aware of what you will be getting. I suggest you go and have a look at some cows and learn a bit about them before buying any. David C - Original Message - From: "Pam DeTray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, 29 May 2002 4:21 PM Subject: Re: Cows > As my new place has historically been a cow pasture, I am keeping it that way instead of tearing into it for a market garden. > My plan was to buy a cow/calf pair, and some young Black Angus steers to raise for beef. Apparently all the calves around here have been weaned, but I can buy an Irish Dexter cow due to calve in September for $800. Is that a normal price? > Also, a friend told me today that I could buy a steer from a dairy herd for $15 or so and the beef would be just as good, just not as salable. I would like to hear thoughts from the list on this. > Could someone please tell me what exactly makes a particular breed good for meat? Why is a Black Angus better beef than a Holstein? > > Thanks, > Pam DeTray > > > -- > ___ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Email.com > http://www.email.com/?sr=signup > >
Re: Shredders for composting
I used to compost lawn clippings from a local mowing contractor. The main problem I struck with the fine clippings was that it tended to pack down and restrict the air in the pile. This made frequent turning necessary After listening to E. Ingham and putting my brain into gear, I have come to the conclusion that heavy coarse particles are necessary in the mix, finely chopped grass breaks down quicker but has disadvantages. It appears the larger the range of ingredients and textures the better. David C - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, 19 May 2002 2:00 AM Subject: Re: Shredders for composting > What about my situation? > > I'm cutting overwintered rye off from raised bed and getting ready to > compost it with cow manure (to re-apply to the same beds) I'm > thinking about putting the cut rye into a bin and dropping a rotary > mower on it, to chop it to a green slurry. (I think Hugh has > suggested this) > > But again, I think, why not just layer the whole green straw with the manure? > > I'd like to hear about other's experiences with the whole and the chopped. > > thanks > > _Allan > >
Re: vortex pump
Really we are talking about three different things: 1. BD preps, that are applied for their spiritual purposes. 2. Compost teas that are applied for their "bug" content. 3. Common old liquid fertiliser that is applied for it's nutrient content. It would seem to me that even failed compost tea would have a beneficial effect given all the nutrients involved in it's manufacture. Now that James has thrown in anaerobic teas, perhaps we all need to think about what we are using or talking about using and the outcomes required . All of these things are tools for us to use, either singlely or in combination, the danger in the discussion is confusing which is which, and then becoming dogmatic. My two Bobs worth David C - Original Message - From: "Lloyd Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 13 May 2002 1:28 PM Subject: Re: vortex pump > > - Original Message - > From: James Hedley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 9:16 PM > Subject: Re: vortex pump > > Dear James > Thanks for an excellent post. I guess we needed a dose > of common sense (homeopathically diluted of course). And I have to admit > after re-reading this stuff I have probably added to the confusion! > Apologies for that! > I have preferred to leave the term "compost tea " for > the specialists who can afford to buy an expensive brewing machine complete > with diaphragm pump and do things by the book - I call my stuff "Brew" - > that will cover just about anything. It happens that I have a stainless milk > vat that I use for other things as well so I make my brew in that. drums > are fine too they work well. It seems that the 100% aerobic high speed tea > is the most difficult to make and requires the expensive gear. I am also > still unconvinced on the benefits of diaphragm pumps over rotary ones in the > southern hemisphere - I'm sure there is an energetic issue involved but no > body came in on that last time - the main point of all this is learn to use > what we already have around us > You have called attention to other things too >Energy in old teas - I have had good field results > with old brew up to several weeks after making it - on a SFI test this would > have had to be almost clinically dead yet gave a good nutritional response > (brix increase) > Cheers again > Lloyd Charles > > > Dear Lloyd and fellow list members, > > I have been following the discussion on the pro's and cons of compost tea > > manufacturing what sort of pump to use to circulate the water, or whether > > air is better than recirculation.snip.. > > The complexity which is being brought into this discussion would deter > most > > people from even attempting to make compost teas. > .snip... > > We become beguiled by the intricacies of our technology that we dream up > more > > complex ways of doing a simple job. A bank of 44 gallon drums full of > compost teas > > brewing and stirred for 5 minutes once a day can keep you so busy > harvesting > > produce and spraying out your compost teas.snip... > > > in the quest to build up the microbial activity in the soil just get out > there and > > use them and then we can get into a real discussion on the teas based on > > their use, not on their manufacture > > Kind best wishes > > James > > > > >
Re: Testing BD preps
Lloyd: This ties in with what I initially said about testing preps. A true test of the preps would be to test soil and compost before and after their application. On of the wake up calls I got early on in my BD experience was when I was worried about throwing out soil bugs with 500, I spoke with Terry Forman, his answer was " Don't worry about the bugs, they are already there, what you are doing with 500 is creating an environment for them to thrive in" On hearing this and pondering on it, I realised that it really is only the forces we need to worry about, the physical aspects are only a side issue. David C - Original Message - From: "Lloyd Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 29 April 2002 9:50 AM Subject: Re: Testing BD preps > > To Cheryl and all Interested > Most of you will probably disagree with me but please read this and think > about it before forming your opinions > > What is to be the end purpose of this testing ?? > Elaine's tests measure and categorise critters better than anyone else can > do > THEY DO NOT AND CAN NOT MEASURE THE ENERGETICS (forces if you like) > > So a comparison test of well made BD compost is valid. Yes! > > If you test, stirred 500 or barrel compost, for CRITTERS per unit volume you > SHOULD EXPECT to get a very low reading compared to a good compost tea. Why > do this?? > > On the other hand if the preps are going to be used as a basis for brewing > tea (and I believe good preps would perform superbly ) Play the game to > Elaine's rules - use 500 and BC as a feed stock - in the flow forms - and > feed it just as she would recommend - done right you will probably make the > best compost tea she ever saw. > > There is far far more to steiners remedies than microbial innoculation and > we should not get too hung up on SFI test numbers UNLESS they are relevant > to the end purpose which is compost or compost teas > > My thoughts anyway > Lloyd Charles > > > > Yes, we have a SFI lab in Lismore, about 3 hours north of me in NSW. > > > > > > If I understand this correctly, you had the test done on the physical > > > 'out of the box' BD500. Do you have plans to test stirred 500? > > > > > Yes, it was physical out of the box BD 500, (unstirred, it is tested like > > compost) > > in this case it was about 5 years old, had been passed on from one of our > > elder BD practitioners who sold his wheat farm. The new guy was wanting to > > know if it was still ok to use!! He then suggested that we should get some > > newer BD 500 tested, so we have. > > Yes, we are planning on getting some stirred 500 plus Horn Clay and CPP > > (Barrel Compost,) as this is what we tell most of our farmers to put out > as > > one spray. Then we should get some BD 501 plus 508 stirred and done as > well > > ! > > > > Not that we see the fungal and bacterial content as all that BD is about - > > we know that what is really happening is bringing in the forces to > stimulate > > the activity in the soil. But SFI tests are not able to quantify that as > > yet.!! But it helps the more rational minds to cope and helps them see > that > > Biodynamics already has the answers. Proof! > > > > Later this year we are bringing Dr Fritz Balzer from Germany to our AGM > and > > National BD Conference in August. He specialises is BD soil testing, plus > > sensitive crystalisation - a method of showing life forces in BD food and > > products - so it will be interesting to work with both methods and > > approaches to Biodynamics. > > > > > >We are awaiting the final bacterial biomass count to see what > > > >protozoa are there. > > > > > > > >Maybe you could add 500 to your brew!! > > > > > > > > > I saw Elaine's flowform report, but couldn't make much of it. Do you > > > know what sort of pump was being used? The make/model of the forms? > > > What was being used as a compost basket? And, a new question, why the > > > guy trialing it through the basket should have been removed earlier? > > > > Alan, > > the pump was a Grundfos vortex submersible pump AP 12.40.06 (Which takes > > 12ml particles - "it can pump rocks!" says Phil Sedgman our Flowform man) > > Flowform is the Vortex flowform, 3 big forms, made of fibreglass, for > > mobility. You can see Phils flowforms on his website - > > www.livingwaterflowformsaustralia.com > > > > The guy was using a laundry basket (plastic mesh about arms in oval shape > > size ) with cloth holding the vermicompost. He placed it under the last > > flowform as the water poured into the pool at the bottom. He left it > there > > for 8 hours - or where you see the lowest point of O2, and it apparently > was > > building up so many bacteria, that it was taking all the O2 supply. Once > he > > removed the basket and vermicompost, the O2 levels could catch up with the > > bacteria growth. What they were so excited about was that the flowform was > > able to get the O2 levels up in 8 hours when the the usual tea brewers > took > > 16 hours. (Of c
Re: An apology - RE: politics and agriculture
All: I enjoy Jane's postings which have appeared on this list for some years now and added a interesting dimension to it. I like to see alternate views of an argument so I can decide that both sides are right and wrong. If the subjects are marked OFF then I can exercise my delete button if I don't want to view the message, big deal if it is not BD, I respect the fact that someone thinks enough of our opinion to pass on that which they think is important. If it wasn't for the alternate views put forward in contrast to the pap we are fed by the commercial media, I can assure all that I would have a very poor opinion of the worlds people as thinkers. I request that Gil stop being a cranky old buggar and let's ALL get on with it. My two bobs worth David C - Original Message - From: "Deborah Byron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, 27 April 2002 9:21 AM Subject: An apology - RE: politics and agriculture > BD Listers, > > I'd like to say that I've enjoyed the posts and opinions about our world > political situation. This elist is truly an international forum of > creative, largely open-minded thinkers--if WE can't find a way to > peaceably and rationally discuss intractable problems, whether they be > social or argicultural, who do we think is going to do it? Personally, > I would like to see BDNow continue to function as a diverse group of > independent thinkers capable of tolerating each other's views rather > than simply mirroring the antagonisms we see acted out on the world > stage. Isn't there a better way of handling this other than censorship > and threatening to walk away from the table? > > Warm regards to all, > Deborah > >
Re: First Tea Analysis Results
Allan: When viewing the AP video keep in mind that it was for viewing by the general community who had no idea about BD, it was very thought provoking at the time. Also at that time most people involved with BD in Australia were concentrating on the life in the soil aspect, it is only in comparatively recent times that the spiritual aspect has been openly discussed. As it happens it was the life in the soil aspect that drew me to BD, I was somewhat nonplussed when I found out that no one seemed to know much about soil life in practise, I guess this is the reason SFI makes so much sense to me. David C - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2002 8:51 PM Subject: Re: First Tea Analysis Results Snip!
Re: Need help with ants.
Stephen: In his lectures on bees, which have just been reprinted, RS says in brief, that formic acid is essential to the vitality of flowers and that the flowers in fact take in the formic acid from the bees, ants and wasps. Read the book, I guarantee you'll never regard bees the same again. David C - Original Message - From: "Stephen Barrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, 26 April 2002 5:11 AM Subject: RE: Need help with ants. > Steve, > > As always, a fascinating insight. What specifically is formic acid's role > in the environment, compared to other acids, such as carbonic for example? > > Thanks > > Stephen Barrow > >
OFF: Adware spyware warning
List members: I recently discovered that my modem was working while I wrote a reply to an e-mail, normally I disconnect as soon as I receive my mail but this time I decided to reply immediately and so remained connected. After hunting around on the Internet I finished up on www.lavasoftusa.com I downloaded their program and found some 55 adware/spyware inclusions on my computer. I removed the problem. I then found a recently installed program I didn't remember installing called Precise Time (possibly Precision Time) when I opened this program it installed another adware/spyware program. Precise Time is supposed to connect to the US Nuclear clock so you can set the time on your computer accurately. A quick check for one adware program is to look in your windows folder for files called Gator. I think one adware program was installed when I updated QuickTime Player, at least it was installed that same day. Just thought I'd warn you. David C
Re: Plant exudates
Jose: I have just returned from a workshop with Elaine Ingham. I showed her your request for help and she say's that there are some hundreds of papers that have researched exudates and she can't believe that a researcher would not be aware of them. Her advice is to check out Jim Lynch in England who wrote a paper mid 1986 and to check out the Journal of Plant Physiology. Go get'em Mate. David C - Original Message - From: "Jose Luiz Moreira Garcia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2002 1:30 PM Subject: Plant exudates > Dear List members. > > I wonder if anyone of you would have some handy > reference showing that plants do exudate protein > as stated in Dr Ingham CD material and many lectures > that I have seen. > I have been questioned by a researcher down here and > standing at Dr Ingham´s side have put my reputation at > stake since this questioning was done in the middle of > a lecture I was doing for a group of organic growers. > > I thank in advance any help I can get > > Regards > > > Jose Luiz > >
A new book
List members all: Last year I recommended a book on Vibrational Medicine that was probably a bit old to be readily available. Yesterday I found a new edition and it is even better than the old one. There is a good section on Radionics for those of you struggling with the concept. The book is "A Practical Guide to Vibrational Medicine" by Richard Gerber M.D. Published by Quill. An imprint of Harper-Collins Publishers. ISBN 0-688-16403-X (Hardcover) ISBN 0-06-095937-1 (Paperback) USA cost $15 (Paperback)
Re: Re[2]: Compost for Brewers
Allan: . Would it not be logical to test the same soil treated and untreated with preps and or Pfeiffer sprays, or alternately compost with and without preps. I agree with Dr Ingham that the bugs are important, in fact so much so that I am attending her workshop in 10 days, but if you read her material then it is the growing of the bugs in good compost and then the correct brewing of the tea to extract and grow them on that causes her success and the extended varieties of bugs. I doubt that just testing the preps will tell you much because you are only part way down the path of their use. Test away by all means but will it really tell you anything? My two bobs worth. David C - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, 15 March 2002 11:15 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: Compost for Brewers > >Why do you need to know about the bugs? I thought it was just the > >forces in the preps that we use, what have the bugs got to do with > >it? > > Well, again, yes and no. People have already received good reports on > the soil foodweb analysis of their BC. The Pfeiffer Sprays actually > have bacteria added to them. We know that the preps work well with > benign microbes. It would be nice to actually take a look and find > out more of what is going on with the preps on a biological level. > This is not meant at all to forget about or overlook their spiritual > purpose and value. > > While we talk a lot about spiritual food for mankind, we also talk > alot about how healhy plants do not have disease or insect pests. And > then we talk a lot about how to treat those plant diseases or insect > pests. > > When you listen to Elaine for a while, and not just her theories but > her trials and experiements, I at least realize that Elaine is > talking about the sort of every day physical success I was hoping to > always have with my plants if I applied the preps in the fall and > spring. > > Many times I get those same successes, but sometimes I don't. > Elaine's model, for me, is the first model I've seen that really > explains those differences and to me they make tremendous sense. > (Nowadays, of course, I apply preps more frequently.) > > Annual plants evolved in complex symbiosis with a foodweb that was > already millions of years old. Today, the devestation of the soil is > so total that even in the forests there are few examples of healthy > complex foodwebs. (We are losing our hemlocks here because the soil > foodweb of the woods has been 'damaged by acid rains.') > > When Al Kapuler spoke at my confernece several years back he said, > "Hey, if I were going to innoculate with bacteria on a farm scale, > this is what I'd do: I'd take a small amount of a microbial dense > source and stir it for about 1 hour in about 3 gallons of warm water > and then I'd splash large droplets of it over the land towards > evening time, work it into the soil if I could and make sure to not > do that just before a rain." Al Kapuler, former research scientist > for Seeds of Change, is a Phd in microbiology. > > These tests are in no way meant to point a finger at the preps and > say "It's the bugs!" From my point of view they are to encourage the > use of barrel compost and perhaps the use of Pfeiffer Field Spray in > the ways that Elaine uses compost tea. > > And they are way that the BD person inspired by Elaine who wants to > use BC more often in confidence that he's doing as well as the > brewers can do the same sceintifically and not through dogma. And, I > think many of us think this is a way to show off the array of > microbes that BD has been using all along. > > In no way, in my mind and my humble opinion, would these tests > contradict the spiritual power or intent of the BD preps. > > -Allan > >
Re: Re[2]: Compost for Brewers
Allan said: I think we owe it to ourselves to gather some sort of baseline for the substances we are working with, particularly BC and the Pfeiffer line. Why do you need to know about the bugs? I thought it was just the forces in the preps that we use, what have the bugs got to do with it? David C - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, 15 March 2002 11:58 AM Subject: Re[2]: Compost for Brewers > >
Obituary
OBITUARY For Mr. COMMON SENSE! Today we mourn the passing of an old friend, by the name of Common Sense. Common Sense lived a long life but died in the United States from heart failure on the brink of the new millennium. No one really knows how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He selflessly devoted his life to service in schools, hospitals, homes, factories helping folks get jobs done without fanfare and foolishness. For decades, petty rules, silly laws, and frivolous lawsuits held no power over Common Sense. He was credited with cultivating such valued lessons as to know when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm, and that life isn't always fair. Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn), reliable parenting strategies (the adults are in charge, not the kids), and it's okay to come in second. A veteran of the Industrial Revolution, the Great Depression, and the Technological Revolution, Common Sense survived cultural and educational trends including body piercing, whole language, and "new math." But his health declined when he became infected with the "If-it-only-helps-one-person-it's-worth-it" virus. In recent decades his waning strength proved no match for the ravages of well intentioned but overbearing regulations. He watched in pain as good people became ruled by self-seeking lawyers. His health rapidly deteriorated when schools endlessly implemented zero-tolerance policies. Reports of a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate, a teen suspended for taking a swig of mouthwash after lunch, and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student only worsened his condition. It declined even further when schools had to get parental consent to administer aspirin to a student but could not inform the parent when a female student was pregnant or wanted an abortion. Finally, Common Sense lost his will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband, churches became businesses, criminals received better treatment than victims, and federal judges stuck their noses in everything from the Boy Scouts to professional sports. Finally, when a woman, failed to realise that a steaming cup of coffee was hot, was awarded a huge settlement, Common Sense threw in the towel. As the end neared, Common Sense drifted in and out of logic but was kept informed of developments regarding questionable regulations such as those for low flow toilets, rocking chairs, and stepladders. Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust; his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason. He is survived by two stepbrothers: My Rights, and Ima Whiner. Not many attended his funeral because so few realised he was gone. -Author Unknown
Re: Official BD in Brazil
Merla: I thought if I tell you what happens here it might help. The roadsides are the responsibility of the local council ( your county I think) they slash the roadsides about twice a year. If this done when the weeds have just flowered it cuts down the weed establishment. It can be done by the council using it's own tractor and slasher or they can contract out the job to someone else. This has the benefit of making the roadside look neat and maintains a nice green ground cover that protects the soil. It also reduces the danger of animals running out of long grass in front of cars. This way the weeds are put to good use. It also reduces the fire risk. The offshoot to this is that once landowners see the roadway in front of their property looking good, some not all, then start to take responsibility for slashing their section more regularly. Once you have the slasher on the tractor it only takes a couple of hours extra to do the roadside after you've done your own job. This is not the perfect answer, the council has cut backs and reduces the area slashed, not all property owners participate and weather can spoil programs and plans but it is better and cheaper than spaying large areas. Hope this helps David C - Original Message - From: "Merla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 9:59 PM Subject: Re: Official BD in Brazil > Jose, Hedleys, anybody, > > When I read all this about Brazil BD not working, it makes me wonder > about what I am doing on the road right-of-way. It sounds like it might not > work to just spray Pfeiffer Field Spray on very sandy, dry soil. Right > now, my ability to use it is in question and I'm waiting for a resolution. > Should I actually get a soil test of the road right-of-way and try to add > soil amendments? We are trying to grow native plants and grasses and > discourage plants that have been named "noxious" by the state and county > so they won't spray us with 2,4-D and Clopyralid. You wouldn't want to > have garden soil, would you? Anyway, how could you accomplish > this on 8 miles of road? We wanted to use the Pfeiffer Field Spray > so that we wouldn't have to make all those trips down the road with BC, > 500, 501, 508, Horn clay. I need to learn how to make preps myself so > no one has to pay the state a fee to register a BD prep as a soil amendment. > We have peppers for all the weeds and wanted to spray them in BD preps. > The Hedleys suggested three sprayings a long time ago when I first > started on this list. I still haven't firmed down what we're going to do, > but I feel we should do something to help the soil, especially since the > county sprayed it in 1999. > > We are planning to plant allelopathic plants--rye and oats--to compete > with the weeds and then eventually seed native plants we do want. > > Merla > > > Jose Luiz Moreira Garcia wrote: > > > >From what I have seen there was very little > > Composting operation with regard to the size of > > the whole farm. > > Secondly, one can enhance nature´s way by adding > > some key minerals that are in short supply in our > > geologically old and eroded tropical soils. Lack of nodulation > > in legumes could very well be a lack of Molybdenum, > > as I have noticed there. > > In a soil without a good microbial life one can expect little to > > no transmutation and therefore I see no chance to correct > > any defficiency without adding what is missing. > > This strategy is highly criticized as being " non sustainable" > > by those fanatics and the situation goes on and on. They regard > > adding outside farm supplies almost like a sin. They want to free > > themselves from the "system" and so do I but in a situation like > > that I don´t think it is intelligent to condemn your soil to > > starvation simply because they decided that this is "non-sustainable" > > In my oppinion there should be a another way to face the situation. > > Some criteria has to be found like level of microbial activity, level > > of nutrients, etc... > > Finally, BD is a proven system worldwide and if it does not work in > > a particular farm or particular region it should be seen simply as > > incompetence from those who are running those places and in our > > particular case the official Demeter people. > > > > Jose > > > > > > > > On Friday, March 8, 2002, at 07:07 AM, Rural Center for Responsible > > > Living wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Bonnie, > > > > > > > > Rudolf Steiner made it very clear in the lectures to farmers that the > > > > preparations were meant to enhance a sound animal based compost > > > > fertility > > > > management program. > > > > > > Thanks Christy. Yes. This was my understanding. > > > > I am a little confused at the Brazilian practices described by > > > > Jose, since most of the preparations are to be added to compost, and to > > > > think of adding compost for 27 years and see no results? Were they even > > > > composting? > > > > > > That is why I was confus
Re: Official BD in Brazil
Merla: I think you are getting in over your head. Anyone: Isn't there someone with US experience who can advise on this? 8 miles of road is a large area and could cover a lot of different soils and weeds, this has the potential of being very embarrassing for Merla and not good for BD. David C - Original Message - From: "Merla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 9:59 PM Subject: Re: Official BD in Brazil > Jose, Hedleys, anybody, > > When I read all this about Brazil BD not working, it makes me wonder > about what I am doing on the road right-of-way. It sounds like it might not > work to just spray Pfeiffer Field Spray on very sandy, dry soil. Right > now, my ability to use it is in question and I'm waiting for a resolution. > Should I actually get a soil test of the road right-of-way and try to add > soil amendments? We are trying to grow native plants and grasses and > discourage plants that have been named "noxious" by the state and county > so they won't spray us with 2,4-D and Clopyralid. You wouldn't want to > have garden soil, would you? Anyway, how could you accomplish > this on 8 miles of road? We wanted to use the Pfeiffer Field Spray > so that we wouldn't have to make all those trips down the road with BC, > 500, 501, 508, Horn clay. I need to learn how to make preps myself so > no one has to pay the state a fee to register a BD prep as a soil amendment. > We have peppers for all the weeds and wanted to spray them in BD preps. > The Hedleys suggested three sprayings a long time ago when I first > started on this list. I still haven't firmed down what we're going to do, > but I feel we should do something to help the soil, especially since the > county sprayed it in 1999. > > We are planning to plant allelopathic plants--rye and oats--to compete > with the weeds and then eventually seed native plants we do want. > > Merla > > > Jose Luiz Moreira Garcia wrote: > > > >From what I have seen there was very little > > Composting operation with regard to the size of > > the whole farm. > > Secondly, one can enhance nature´s way by adding > > some key minerals that are in short supply in our > > geologically old and eroded tropical soils. Lack of nodulation > > in legumes could very well be a lack of Molybdenum, > > as I have noticed there. > > In a soil without a good microbial life one can expect little to > > no transmutation and therefore I see no chance to correct > > any defficiency without adding what is missing. > > This strategy is highly criticized as being " non sustainable" > > by those fanatics and the situation goes on and on. They regard > > adding outside farm supplies almost like a sin. They want to free > > themselves from the "system" and so do I but in a situation like > > that I don´t think it is intelligent to condemn your soil to > > starvation simply because they decided that this is "non-sustainable" > > In my oppinion there should be a another way to face the situation. > > Some criteria has to be found like level of microbial activity, level > > of nutrients, etc... > > Finally, BD is a proven system worldwide and if it does not work in > > a particular farm or particular region it should be seen simply as > > incompetence from those who are running those places and in our > > particular case the official Demeter people. > > > > Jose > > > > > > > > On Friday, March 8, 2002, at 07:07 AM, Rural Center for Responsible > > > Living wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Bonnie, > > > > > > > > Rudolf Steiner made it very clear in the lectures to farmers that the > > > > preparations were meant to enhance a sound animal based compost > > > > fertility > > > > management program. > > > > > > Thanks Christy. Yes. This was my understanding. > > > > I am a little confused at the Brazilian practices described by > > > > Jose, since most of the preparations are to be added to compost, and to > > > > think of adding compost for 27 years and see no results? Were they even > > > > composting? > > > > > > That is why I was confused about him telling of folks using the preps > > > alone. It sounded like they might not even be making compost. > > > > > > Bonnie York > > > > >
Dowsing & Intuition 2
Glen: This evening I did my weekly dowse for the FB. With your previous post in mind I decided to try intuition. I dowse for 16 different items. Firstly I tried intuition, waited a while to try not to remember the potencies, then dowsed as usual. I found that 10 of the potencies were the same, 5 were one potency different and 1 was 3 potencies different. Thank you for pointing out this next step on my path of understanding. David C
Re: Solara's March Surf Report
Jane: Thank you for this post. it feels right. Who is Solara? David C - Original Message - From: "jsherry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Bdnow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2002 4:45 AM Subject: Solara's March Surf Report > http://www.nvisible.com/Surf/SurfMar02.html > > MARCH 2002: PARADOX > > Updated March 5, 2002 > > About the Surf Reports: Snip
Re: Dowsing & Intuition - Having the Octagon Experience
Glen: I have to admit defeat for now, my only experience is my Son thinks I have finally dropped over the edge and my Wife is wandering around mumbling about "old fools sword dancing" I just realised, do you mean a cross as in two sticks crossing or an eight pointed cross? David C - Original Message - From: "Glen Atkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BDNOW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2002 8:24 AM Subject: Dowsing & Intuition - Having the Octagon Experience > This is a better thread to continue this conversation. > > Have you done this yet? > > The 'Octagon Experience' > Stand on the 4 cardinal points of the cross and then stand on the in > between points and tell me what you experience. > > Turning out away from the centre of your cross in probably best. Do not > focus on the centre. > > Generally all one needs do is stand on one point for a minute or two, > then stand on one point 90 deg. away and then stand on the centre point > between them. > > Glen A > > -- > Garuda Biodynamics - for BD Preps, Consultations, Books & Diagrams > See our web site @ http://get.to/garuda > >
Re: Agri-Synthesis® short-lived and overpriced? was R e: Agri-Synthesis® Remedies Tested At UAI
Glen: Thank you for posting this insight, it explains some happenings when I am dowsing. If I have the message right, we should be able to ask the question and receive an answer in our next thought, am I correct? Do Devas and other beings have any participation in this? Tried the cross exercise, nothing experienced, has this any significance? David C - Original Message - From: "Glen Atkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, 7 March 2002 7:00 PM Subject: Re: Agri-Synthesis® short-lived and overpriced? was R e: Agri-Synthesis® Remedies Tested At UAI > Lloyd Charles wrote: > > > > More from the land of oz - I found this lurking uncompleted on My desktop - > > (Delete is just above the left cursor key if its too out of date) > > > > Gil Robertson wrote > While one can undoubtable wait for devine revelation, if > > playing > > > with a few acres in one situation, but if one is working with many > > properties, as > > > Hugh and James are, there is a need to get accurate answers, quickly. > > > > In HAstings NZ last weekend I was chatting with Joke Bloksma from the > Louis Bolk Institute in Holland, who is here seminaring on Geothean > observation. I wish to honour her part in the stimulation of these words > rather than quote our conversation. > We were discussing the difference between direct perception and dowsing. > One of the important parameters of geothean intutition is the feelings, > pictures, knowings and insights that one gains through ones Astral body > and Ego when observing or more correctly percieving something. > There are many other things that can be used as observations as well. > However staying with this one experience. As one puts out an impulse > into the environment through asking the question, the environment > responses instantaneously with the answer. By 'Environment' I mean from > the localised Astrality and higher Self/Ego out to the Collective > Unconscious realms and beyond. There is immense intelligence contained > in these spheres and they feed the answers back. > The lesson is being able to accept the answers and the experience. > Dowsing will access these same spheres however thru the route of the > passive unconscious.The operator has to remain as neutral as possible to > the response and allow the unconscious or even the higher self to speak > indepenantly of the dowser. This is in contrast to the perciever being a > wholly active participant in Geothean observation. > It is not that dowsing is bad so much as a starting place and that one > needs to progress thru to the personal experience of the awareness as > quickly as one can. > Today while talking with someone about the inner nature of the 8 pointed > star, I said I can give you an experience of the answer in 3 minutes or > I can tell you the answer immediately.* There is a world of difference > in the knowingness of the person from this choice. > This process is just another muscle we need to exercise to get > functioning. However the first step on the journey must be taken. > Try directly receiving the answer first and then check it with dowsing. > I sure this will speed the process up. > Once this is working well there is no extra time compared to dowsing, in > fact its faster. No waiting for the swing. > I am still a student of the path however experienced enough to say I > know this process is real, worthy and possible. > One of the side effects of our rush to extinction and the premature > 'going to seed' of humanity, is that we are all becoming wildly > intuitive very quickly. So this process is becoming easier. Just as > dowsing was a practise of the 19th century, it too may be unnecessary > for many in the very near present, due to our consciousness expansion. > It is highly possible that in relation to 1750 consciousness, we are > presently experiencing consciousness as if we were living at around > 3200AD, if the industrial revolution never occurred. > The times they are a changin' and fast. > > *Stand on the 4 cardinal points of the cross and then stand on the in > between points and tell me what you experience. > > cheers > Glen A > > -- > Garuda Biodynamics - for BD Preps, Consultations, Books & Diagrams > See our web site @ http://get.to/garuda > >
Re: New thread:- enlightened incorporated features of new house?
Virginia wrote I was in Salt Spring Island in British Columbia last year and visited a very solidly built mansion with rammed earth foundation, walls and floor. I was pleasantly surprised to find the air quality good, contrary to what I had expected. You do have pioneers in Australia on this type of construction. Manfred, if you are interested, the name of the builder in BC is Meror Krayenhoff. His floors and foundations are massive and insulated, though some cement cannot be avoided. Virginia: We have a an aged care centre built primarily for Australian Aboriginal near here that was built using rammed earth walls, from memory the company who built it were extremely busy doing this work. It was built about 5 years ago and is very impressive. David C
Re: Copper garden tools, ..still
According to my old Engineers Charts the following figures are given: Copper coldworked (the hardest type) Tensile strength 17 - 25 Tons psi Hardness 80 -100 Brinnel Phosphor Bronze Tensile strength 15 - 20 tons psi Hardness 170 -180 Brinnel Mild steel Tensile strength 25 -34 tons psi Hardness 125 - 175 Brinnel Hard facing Hardness 700 - 800 Brinnel I point this out not say there is anything wrong with what you say, but to show that the points even in phosphor bronze will wear very quickly. Obviously this is what is wanted to spread the copper into the ground, I would not expect the points to last long. David C - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, 3 March 2002 6:38 PM Subject: Re: Copper garden tools, ..still > > In a message dated 3/2/02 11:23:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << Frank, Steve, : does it repulse worms/microlife, or over-ridingly benefit > in water-retention properties? > > Should we be that concerned as Schauberger seemed to be? >> > > No worms and soil flora and fauna will not be repulsed but encouraged. > Schauberger recommended phosphor-bronze, almost as hard as steel...sstorch > >
Re: Fwd: Re: Radionics (Drought update)
G'day Jane What I call a field Broadcaster (FB) is the design of Hugh Lovel. The cosmic pipe was a design supposedly by Galen H (can't spell it) that I got from a radionics newsletter. I built and installed the cosmic pipe about 1994. Sorry for the confusion. David C - Original Message - From: "jsherry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, 1 March 2002 11:59 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Radionics (Drought update) > Hi David, > I guess in my haste around the radionics material, I must have missed the > difference btwn. the FB and the "cosmic pipe" which I thought was an FB. Can > you briefly explain the difference? > > thanks, > Jane > - Original Message - > From: "D & S Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 6:38 PM > Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Radionics (Drought update) > > > Hi James: I'll try to keep it short. I started using the FB in May 2000, at > first I had no idea how to use it, beyond how I used the cosmic pipe it > replaced. > >
Re: Copper garden tools
I think it would be a lot cheaper and easier to throw out copper filings and dig them in with a good hard faced plough. A copper plough in our soil wouldn't last a day even if it escaped being straightened on a root. David C - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2002 1:15 AM Subject: Re: Copper garden tools > > In a message dated 2/28/02 11:30:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << Sounds good but whats the wear rate like ? On our gravel based soils we > destroy hardened steel tillage points at a rapid rate and need to use > tungsten tipped stuff to make heavy cultivation economical.?? In nice clay > would not be a problem > > Lloyd Charles >> > > The benefit outweighs the cost [the Bronze Age remembered]. The point is to > introduce the copper filings and increase benefits to the soil as water > holding capacity...sstorch > >
Re: Wired! Insect deterrents
I remember reading about this about 10 years ago, though not the details. I think it was to do with ELF and confusing insects. I have looked through some of my books and can't find it. I will look in some old magazines in the shed the next time I'm game to go in there. David C - Original Message - From: "Lloyd Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2002 1:44 PM Subject: Re: Wired! Insect deterrents > > Original Message > From: Thomas Schley Wired! Insect deterrents > > > > Hi Folks, > > An acquaintance told me she's heard of people using very thin copper > > or silver wire to ward off insects and maybe other critters. The > > wire is strung a few inches above the ground and runs up and down the > > garden rows. Anyone heard of this? What is the principle behind it? > > I assume it concentrates energy somehow that insects don't like. > > Since it doesn't seem to be very common it must have some drawbacks? > > Or is it just one of those magnificent ideas from the 1960s like > > smoking banana peels? > > -Tom > > > HiTom > A friend told me this would keep termites out of a building we were having > trouble with. The copper wire needs to be strung a few inches above ground, > on insulators, kept tight, and butt joined (end on joint) so that it will > hum / resonate (like the old time aerial phone wires used to.) Sounds good > and I believe it would work but boy does it take some doing. The wire is > almost impossible to keep tensioned, between the dog laying up against it, > and the constant expansion - contraction in a long length of copper wire - I > gave up. > We have got a trial going on at the moment with a white ant pepper made > from a tincture and also spraying the active sites with a potentised > arsenicum album (from a Malcolm Rae Card) this looks very promising. Have > had some real good results around the house and yard with simple D8 pest > insect peppers prepared with a small potentiser (this is not that difficult > to hand prepare either) and applied with a watering can. Definitely NOT > rocket science but easy and cheap and totally harmless. > Cheers > Lloyd Charles > >
Re: Fwd: Re: Radionics (Drought update)
Hi James: I'll try to keep it short. I started using the FB in May 2000, at first I had no idea how to use it, beyond how I used the cosmic pipe it replaced. So I just dowsed once a month and added or removed the reagents supplied by Hugh. Nothing much happened initially as we at that stage were going into our usual dry winter. Come Spring though WOW! We had a number of species of trees that had never flowered in twelve years start flowering and a number of others that had flowered poorly and intermittently flowered profusely and fruited well. The pastures produced well once the rain started and the cattle thrived. Tick numbers dropped off remarkably, no lice and the buffalo fly which had been a real problem the year before didn't show up. The veggie patch and orchard were the best ever, but I had to find out whether it was the FB or just a year that was good beyond memory. So I put all the reagents in the FB and left things for about three months. I don't know whether it was the reagents or my intentions but things started to go bad fairly quickly. The citrus seemed to get every bug known to man, together with the veggies which were a disaster, some trees not all just dropped their fruit, all this despite it being a good summer weather wise. About January February 2001 Hugh came up with a new combination of reagents which made sense to me so I bought a potentiser and started dowsing weekly to check the potencies. Since then things have been great except for the weather. As I said previously our cattle have done well in spite of the drought, we seem to have sufficient without abundance. The spring flowerings were good and the fruit and veggies have been outstanding, best tomatoes we have ever grown. One thing that may interest everyone, ever since we have lived here we have had about 15 to 20 pairs of Welcome Swallows nesting in and around the house and sheds, most days they could be seen feeding within sight of the house, there was obviously plenty of insects to maintain them. We were obviously a stopping point for swallows migrating because we had over 350 of them overnighting on occasions. They have all gone over the last 12 months. We now have 5 or 6 pair of regulars ( I assume) who are rarely seen feeding about the house. Enough for now, one point though, the more I appear to understand the less I know. David C - Original Message - From: "James and Barbara Hedley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 25 February 2002 10:25 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Radionics (Drought update) > Dear David, > Nice to hear from you again. Could you please share with the list what your > experiences were with the field broadcasters as it will help to hear from > people such as Lloyd and you in Australia who have used their field > broadcasters for a while. > Sincere regards > James
Re: Malcolm Rae cards [was lady bugs]
I recently purchased cards via e-mail using a credit card number, it is not "secure" in that you e-mail the card number. Send enquiry to Wendy Foster at Magneto Geometric Applications [EMAIL PROTECTED] David C - Original Message - From: "Rex Teague" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 7:56 AM Subject: Malcolm Rae cards [was lady bugs] > On 17 Feb 02, Hugh Lovel wrote: > > > Laura Sabourin is looking for a ladybug reagent, as the Japanese > > ladybugs have taken over in southern Ontario. We seem to have a lot of > > them here too, if these are the ones who sometimes bite. Can anyone > > send me specimens for peppering? Does anyone have any other specimens > > of problem bugs? Or weeds? I'm working on getting up a data-base for > > Malcolm Rae Cards so that anyone anywhere in the world need only get > > the card to get the remedy for that conundrum. > > Will these and your other cards be available via the Internet, Hugh? > > Last time I checked the Malcolm Rae organisation in England weren't > setup for Internet/credit-card distribution. 8<[ > > Cheerio... Rex > >
Re: Fwd: Re: Radionics (Drought update)
I agree with all that has been said about the dangers, BUT if we untrained suckers don't do it who will? Do we all sit back and await the guru's arrival? There appears to be the perception that you can just bung in a pipe and get rid of all your weeds and other problems, a silver bullet approach. This has not been my experience. Dr. Elaine Ingham will be in Aust and NZ in March, those who would like to attend her seminars should go to her WebPages. David C - Original Message - From: "Lloyd Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Radionics (Drought update) > > - Original Message - > From: Gil Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 9:36 AM > Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Radionics Accreditation > Dear Gil and list -- My remarks here are to be taken as only applying to > experimental use of radionics in agriculture > Gil wrote > > Hi! Jane, Hugh and the List. > > I agree with your concerns about some one driving a Cosmic Pipe or other > > Radionic Device and putting out energy other than that which is desired. > > Me too. but I have a serious problem in that I am one of the un-trained > un-accredited people who has come to this with only my integrity and good > intent (And common sense) > We also need to look at what is the alternative - In my case (I can already > hear the gasps of horror ) the alternative would have been a continuation > of chemical farming in some form, but the use of potentised remedies in > field broadcasters or instruments of similar ilk will be the most valuable > tool (of many) that we use to get us out of it. And I'm sorry folks but I > refuse to hand my farm over to the banks and chemical companies because of > some idealistic system that would not deliver a satisfactory result in my > situation. > > Gil again > > This is an area in which I differ from Hugh. I do not think that devices > > like his Field Broadcaster should be in the public domain. I think it > > requires specialist knowledge along with a high degree of responsibility > for the > > resulting broadcast. > > My background says that I should argue with Gil but I find it very difficult > to disagree. A wise fellow once told me to remember that the potential to do > good (with any instrument or machine) will always be about equal to the > potential to do damage - thus it requires a higher level of intellect and > ability to operate a bulldozer than a shovel. > If we see Gil's emphasis on training as an opportunity for those already > practicing radionics to quietly exclude unsuitable people before they > advance far enough to do real harm then I agree. However I feel that this > process is already in place - I got good guidance, and a well timed dose of > cautionary advice from Hugh Lovel when I started with the field broadcaster. > And have had similar help and guidance from others - including a couple of > magic days at James and Barbara Hedley's place recently. > As far as the weekend specials go (there is another one on in South > Australia soon I hear) they are a training excercise for the organisers but > the attrition rate is extraordinarily high - there are 2 dial analysers > sitting in the bottom of wardrobes all over the place - if these guys can > afford to waste $3000 to $7000 in such a manner then so be it - The problem > that I have with radionics is the product sellers. This is a serious and > very dangerous situation - how on earth can an operator (regardless of his > inherent honesty) get a proper and beneficial analysis result when the whole > purpose and INTENT of sitting down at the instrument was to increase his > sales of brand X supersoup or whatever - after all there's a payment due on > the new mercedes 4 wheel drive next week and the bank needs a bit of a top > up. How do you stop this with regulation or accreditation?? > I would like to hear more from other list members on this as I can see the > sense in both Gil's and Hugh's argument but sittin' on the fence is a > dangerous policy long term. > Cheers all > Lloyd Charlers > >
Re: WARNING Re: Marchó a vivir a Caracas
This is the same virus we had a problem with a little while ago, I think it is a Windows virus, anyway you have to open the attachment for it to infect you. The message content is below if it is of interest, but usually it is auto generated from a document on the infected computer and the owner has had nothing to do with being sent. Simple answer just delete it. David C - Original Message - From: "Merla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2002 2:06 PM Subject: Re: WARNING Re: Marchó a vivir a Caracas > I have an unopened email from Henry Karczynski. Do you know if it is a PC or > a Mac virus? PC viruses don't affect me cause I have a Mac. How do you get > rid of it? I can't open it to delete it. Can I file it and then go into my > hardrive and put it in the trash? > > Merla > > D & S Chamberlain wrote: > > > This is a virus do not open. > > David C > > - Original Message - > > From: "Henry Karczynski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2002 8:14 AM > > Subject: Marchó a vivir a Caracas > > > > > Desempeñó diversos cargos diplomáticos para el gobierno revolucionario, > > murió en 1980 en París, donde era embajador de Cuba. > > > Carpentier recibió la influencia directa del surrealismo, y escribió para > > la revista Révolution surréaliste, por encargo expreso del poeta y crítico > > literario francés André Breton. > > > > >
WARNING Re: Marchó a vivir a Caracas
This is a virus do not open. David C - Original Message - From: "Henry Karczynski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2002 8:14 AM Subject: Marchó a vivir a Caracas > Desempeñó diversos cargos diplomáticos para el gobierno revolucionario, murió en 1980 en París, donde era embajador de Cuba. > Carpentier recibió la influencia directa del surrealismo, y escribió para la revista Révolution surréaliste, por encargo expreso del poeta y crítico literario francés André Breton. >
Drought update
3 inches of rain in last 24 hours, ah life is good! David C
Re: Friends in Oz: are there REALLY 2,000,000 acres downunder in BD Cultivation?
Allan: I doubt if any one has the answer who will own up. The 2 Million figure has been around for years and emulated from a claim by AP. Maybe Cheryl with her contacts in the higher regions of the bureaucracy may be able to find out. If it was true then I doubt that it still is given the purported dropouts from APs group, everything is run so secretly that "only AP knows." David C - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2002 2:28 PM Subject: Friends in Oz: are there REALLY 2,000,000 acres downunder in BD Cultivation? > I think the usual answer to this question is "Only A.P. knows, but > he's not telling." > > Since I meet so many growers from OZ outside this list and since the > non-BD ones have never heard of BD and I've only met one who was BD > and none who work with A.P., it's hard for me to fathom the > factuality of this common quote. > > Tell me again, ok? > > Thanks > > -Allan > >
Re: Mail Irradiation
They make them around here, do you want me to check it out? Won't be cheap though, they paint them up for the tourists. David C - Original Message - From: "Robert Farr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2002 7:15 AM Subject: Re: Mail Irradiation > Thanks for the comments, Gil! > > Too bad it costs so much to ship to Australia, 'eh??? > > Hey - here's a completely unrelated question: any chance you have a > didg source over there? I've been playing for a couple years, and would > love to find something authentic. > > TIA, > > -- > Robert Farr > (540) 668-7160 > Check out http://www.thechileman.com > for Hot Sauces, Salsas, Mustards & More! > >
Re: BD healing Chernobyl?
Not to my knowledge. I read an interview with him at the time, I think it was in Acres Australia. David C - Original Message - From: Gil Robertson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2002 6:01 PM Subject: Re: BD healing Chernobyl? Is Alex on email? Gil D & S Chamberlain wrote: As I recall it was Alex Podalinski, I have heard nothing after he went there.David C
Re: BD healing Chernobyl?
As I recall it was Alex Podalinski, I have heard nothing after he went there. David C - Original Message - From: Hilary Wright To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2002 9:16 AM Subject: BD healing Chernobyl? I seem to recall, some time ago, reading a story about the use of BD to heal the contaminated land around Chernobyl. Does anyone else recall this story, and can point me to more information about it? Are there any other situations where BD has been used to heal land that has been seriously damaged or contaminated?I'll be most grateful for any pointers. Thanks so much.Hilary
Re: Rename, the cows
Title: Re: Rename, the cows
- Original Message -
From:
Moen Creek
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 22 January 2002 12:30
PM
Subject: Re: Rename, the cows
May I ask the breed of the cows.
They are Murray Greys, an Australian breed that originated
from a cross between a black Angus and a roan Shorthorn.
Also I'm curious as to whether you feel that the field
Broadcaster may "feed" the herd/fold information over & above that solar
timing gives? What I mean, seeing that the FB is constantly reactive to
the breath of the landscape & all it's parts including the atmosphere.
Does the amplification of the pattern in conjunction with the tools from the
preps directly help the animals "know" what do or how to respond?
I haven't given this angle any thought, my concentration
has been the soil and the plants growing in it. You have a good point, I
will contemplate on it.From: "D & S
Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:13:31
+1100To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Rename,
the cows
The story is simple. We have had about 8" of rain
since last May spread over about 50 days. Currently we should be in our
rainy season but officially we are a declared drought zone. All our pasture
is shrivelling up and crunches when we walk on it, most
unpleasant.Through out this dry spell we have had temperatures over 100F
and hot dry winds, in fact over 2 million acres of this state have been
burnt out in bush fires.Our cows have built up to fat condition and held
that condition even now, I put this down to the quality of the feed due to
our FB and the fact that I changed our calving times to fit in with the
natural feed cycle of the area. The amount of feed in the paddocks would not
normally maintain even good condition.It appears to me that while we
have never had an abundance of feed through this period, we have always had
sufficient, can't wait to see what happens when it rains.David
C
- Original Message - From: Gil Robertson
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 21 January 2002 3:03
PMSubject: Re: David ChamberlainI would like you to
invite David, as it is his story. He contacted me from the list and we
have been exchanging information and had a very long phone call.
Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Gil I would very
much like to know more about Davids cattle if possible. AllanE
Rename, the cows
The story is simple. We have had about 8" of rain since last May spread over about 50 days. Currently we should be in our rainy season but officially we are a declared drought zone. All our pasture is shrivelling up and crunches when we walk on it, most unpleasant. Through out this dry spell we have had temperatures over 100F and hot dry winds, in fact over 2 million acres of this state have been burnt out in bush fires. Our cows have built up to fat condition and held that condition even now, I put this down to the quality of the feed due to our FB and the fact that I changed our calving times to fit in with the natural feed cycle of the area. The amount of feed in the paddocks would not normally maintain even good condition. It appears to me that while we have never had an abundance of feed through this period, we have always had sufficient, can't wait to see what happens when it rains. David C - Original Message - From: Gil Robertson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 21 January 2002 3:03 PM Subject: Re: David Chamberlain I would like you to invite David, as it is his story. He contacted me from the list and we have been exchanging information and had a very long phone call. Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Gil I would very much like to know more about Davids cattle if possible. AllanE
Re: Hydoponic BD 2
Now you have my attention, I spent 20 years in Navy Engine Rooms so seawater heat exchangers played a large part in my life. Are you already doing this? Over what area? My experience tells me that to remove heat over a large area would require a large infrastructure and be resource hungry to run, please tell us more. Do you practise crop rotation? How do you control disease? I imagine that 4 crops a year would require large nutrient inputs so as not to deplete the soil, how do you achieve this? David C - Original Message - From: "panamabob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2002 4:09 AM Subject: Re: Hydoponic BD 2 > haha! mulching is good David! the cold system however cools the soil down > to 40's with air temp in 80's...a bit more than mulchings shade effect :-) > > cooling the soil also seems to switch on and off signals to the plant so it > goes into turbo charge mood. With temperate climate plants it allows 4 > growing seasons per year in the tropics. its common to see a pear tree with > fruit after only a year or so of age.( but 4 years in plant time). same with > grape clusters; bunches in relatively short time! > > to feed these growths and provide a healthful and sustainable yield you can > see my interest in nutrients and what BD may possibly contribute. > > this can do two things; require less rainforest space for food growing and > provide a monetary stability for the country folk. > > bob > > bob > >
Re: Hydoponic BD 2
Sorry to have misinterpreted you words Bob, I in fact use the cooler earth system but I just call it mulching. How's that for frigging smart Storchy? David C - Original Message - From: "panamabob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2002 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Hydoponic BD 2 > perhaps I should start again and see if I can word the procedure better... I > am simplifying here, so bare with me :-) > > As I understand it, plants are basically a thermo engine, using warm leaves > evaporating moisture to create the "sucking" to pull up the nutrients > absorbed by the cooler roots. The greater the temperature difference (delta > T) between roots and leaves, the more sucking there is. The more nutrients > the plant can ingest, the healthier the plant. A brix reading of the plant > seems to bare this out. The higher the brix, the healthier the plant seems > to be...the healthier the plant the more "umph" its product have ( fruit, > flowerettes, leaves, etc). It seems that the higher the health level of the > plant is, the less disease, parasites etc. it has. Essentially disease , > bugs etc. attack low health plants to make way for better plants; thats > there job. SO to minimize these detriments all you have to do is have a > basic well nourished plant. > > Most plants seem to have the greatest spurts of growth in Springtime when > soil is still relkatively cool and the Sun is warming the young leaves. So > it would seem that duplicating this condition, i.e. warm leaves and cool > roots, would help maximize the plants ability to use nutrients and grow. > > Experimentation has proven out that this does indeed work. Concern then > would be to enrich the soil so that the plants can get the maximum > nutrients without running out of "gas" so to speak. > > Herein lies my interest in what BD may do. Since the procedure above is not > chemical in nature, rather it utilizes the normal thermo dynamic process. > > Someone suggested or perhaps they miss understood the procedure I described > thinking it was a hydroponic system. I of course was open to discuss this > twist on the cold ag system I was familiar with and the concept of blending > it with hydroponics. > > I appologize for seeming to be interested in a water process rather than > earth process (which actually is NOT the case). > > I appreciate those in the group that have considered the hydroponics (even > though I myself did not introduce that idea :-) > > My interest is to help assemble and desiminate a more sustainable and > healthy method of agriculture for the tropical zones for improvement of the > quality of life... > > as always curious of BD > > Bob > SLF > > > - Original Message - > From: "D & S Chamberlain" Subject: Re: Hydoponic BD > > > Hi Panama Bob > > > > > > > > > My question is if BD may possibly be integrated into a production > > system > > > > > that sprays cold nutrients onto roots or is soil temperature need to > > be > > > at > > > > > certain level to encourage micro organisms activity which produce > the > > > added > > > > > umph to plant health Would it be possible to make a nutrient > > liquid > > > mix > > > > > leached out of a compost bed that utilized the micro organism > > activity? > > > > > > > > Yes While am am not a hydoponics grower I am familiar with what you > are > > > > doing. I have some ideas how to make this work. I use foliar spraying > as > > > > a rescue method to over come a serious nutrient imbalance on an all > year > > > > round cut foliage nursery under plastic. > > > > A combination of liquid teas,sequential spraying,and potentised preps > is > > > > what i have in mind. It would not be able to be certified as organic > but > > > > certainly would get you away from growing waterfilled chemical food > that > > > > tastes like crap. > > > > > > > > > > The higher than normal brix levels intrigue me, and the subsequent > > > natural > > > > > defense against parasites > > > > > > > > This is an area that really does interest me also. It ties in with > Hugh > > > > Lovels idea of growing corn as a suppler of nutrients to the soil. > Also > > > > with DR Carey Reams work as written by Dan Skow in 'MainLIne Farming > for > > > > the 21st Centary and William Albrect work " The Albrect Papers" vol > 1-4 > > > > and "Weeds with Poisons" written by Charles Walter . > > > > They all refer to achieving high brix levels to ward of insects and > for > > > > weed control. > > > > Any way when i have cleared my backlog of work[it has rained on 17 > days > > > > this month and it is the middle of summer for us]I will post you my > > > > thoughts. > > > > Seasons geeeting and blessing to the new year. > > > > Cheers Tony Robinson > > > > New Zealand > >
