Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
When I was a kid, I just got tired of waiting for the sighted friends to bend and straighten, bend and straighten their nails and I just got better than them. Breeze David Burzese HRIS Project Director Administrative Computing and Information Services Carnegie Mellon Phone: 412-268-3862 You make a living by what you get You make a life by what you give On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, rj wrote: No! that wasn't the way the first blind man did it. He had a wife who said either you pound that nail in straight or I am going to pound you. Believe me it worked here. smiling - Original Message - From: Max Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Since it's come down to a vote I say lets keep things the way they are now. How did the first blind man to drive a nail figure out how to do it. He first learned how a sighted person did it because that was the only information available. Then he adapted the sighted method and worked out how he could do it without seeing the hammer and nail. Let's stick with it. I use my delete key a lot and I won't say on what. It's no big deal. Listen to jaws read a sentence or so, reach for the delete key, and click, it's gone. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
I have to agree with everyone on this, (nothing like a strong stance). When I first saw Mickey's and Tom's messages, I agreed with them to a certain degree. Sometimes there is virtually nothing I can get out of certain posts, but other times the posts are extremely useful. I am extremely liberal with the delete key but I subscribe to a number of lists work and none work related and my delete key is getting a bit tired. Never-the-less, I would much rather have Ray and others out there doing the research with the occasional clinker in there rather than always have to do it myself. So, I prefer that we keep things as they were, and there is really no reason at all for anyone to get the hell out of here. There are a number of people on this list who are pretty much amateurs like myself, a number of folks who are just lurkers, and a few who are exceptionally valuable for their hands on experience. I include Mickey, Tom, and Dale as well as a few others who I can't remember at the moment, in this category. this is a tremendously useful list and I would rather not see it get ripped up in flames over a misunderstanding. So let's get back on the track of building things. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:(412) 268-9081 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
Aren't we taking this a little too far? Everyone should be able to express an opinion, and that opinion should be respected! If there is no agreement, I am sure that we all know where the delete key is located! I believe there is always someone who benefits from the information! - Original Message - From: Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Mickey, if you don't like the list unsubscribe, just get the hell out...Don - Original Message - From: Mickey Fixsen To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques All I did was ask an honest question abut a list that purports to be about how a blind person can do all kinds of handyman type jobs. I simply stated my frustration that some postings are strictly geared toward the sighted and tell, in no way, how a blind person can do the job. I was not at all rude or nasty to anyone. I think this is a very fair question and it did get some honest answers. I don't think I deserve the nasty treatment for asking an honest question. Maybe it's really just a post anything you want as long as the moderator agrees with you list and really isn't about blindness at all. If so, then I was mistaken. At least, all of my postings have been from a blindness perstective. -- Mickey - Original Message - From: David Ferrin To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques This is great as we won't be without a research department in your absence Ray. good of you to leave the list in such capable hands. David Ferrin personal email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] Consciousness is that annoying time between naps. - Original Message - From: Ray Boyce To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Hi Mickey As I do a lot of the research for the Blind Handy Man List and I am going on Holidays I Appoint You to Stand In while I am away, it will be interesting to see what you can come up with. Remember Blind Techniques I think are your words so please base all your responses along these lines. Ray - Original Message - From: Mickey Fixsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Thanks to all who replied to this issue. As expected, the responses are extremely varied. If nothing else, it has been interesting. Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming. - Original Message - From: Mickey Fixsen To: Blind Handyman Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Hi all. I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person. Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job? Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of how to do these things as a blind person. This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what others think. Thanks-- Mickey -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
HI, Max, I think that is a fine idea discriptions always help. regards don - Original Message - From: Max Robinson To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques I have a further suggestion. When information is posted that includes a reference to a diagram Ray, or who ever is posting it, should enlist the help of one of us partials to write a verbal description of the figure. I have considerable experience in doing this and am willing to do my share of the work. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Victor Gouveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Hi All, If I can weigh in here for a minute. I thought Mickey's post was done well, and I didn't think there was anything wrong with it. I just don't think that Mickey was necessarily thinking about the over 200 members on the list, and the fact that some of them, whether it be a small portion or large portion of our members, have usable sight, such as Don Shaw, or Boop, and for a time, before I went completely dark, I had some usable vision, as well, so Ray's posts do have merit, whether they be from a blind or sighted perspective. There have been many different opinions on this subject, some agreed with Mickey, and some did not, in any case, it is not up to a regular member on the list to decide where the list goes, it is up to the list owner and moderator. If you have problems with how the list is being run, or the direction that it is taking, feel free to write the owner or moderator. I mean, Jesus, there are, I think, something like four or five moderators, and I'm sure you get along with, at least, one of them. Another point is that these problems should be discussed off-list, not on list. When the necessary changes are to be implemented, and or if the owner and moderators feel that a consensus is needed from list members, then the subject should be broached on-list, otherwise, comments on list practises and allowances should be kept off-list. Lastly, there is one suggestion I would have for Ray, and that is, he should include the original website address with his posts, this serves two purposes... First, it allows the reader to check it's legitimacy, and accuracy, and allows for added ability of the reader to add the website to their favourites list. Secondly, it allows for the reader to go onto the website and check out if there's more stuff the reader might want to glean from it. I know of such posts that Ray has submitted where the information was, in a way what I was looking for, but had just the right amount off as to be useless to me, however, I wanted to go to the website to see if there might have been an addendum to the article that would've included that subtle difference that would have adapted the article to suit me. In any case, these suggestions have allowed the groups that I moderate to work alright, and I offer these ideas as suggestions for possible application. Victor Gouveia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
similarly, even though it may be advertising, there have been some articles that explain what a unit or substance will and will not do (CYA on the part of the company) and that is informative as well. Even if it's main benefit was to keep the company from getting hauled into liability cases. so I am thankful, if even what I have learned often, is that I am under experienced for what much of what the other guys can do. Info is knowledge, and fore warned is fore armed, and isn't that half an octopus? On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Geoff Eden wrote: I'm confused by the discussion, I don't know of many things in the world easier to do then press the delete key. In particular, with respect to advertising, some of the material on power tools has been invaluable. It's the kind of thing that it would take a lot of time to search for. Geoff - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Mickey, HERE HERE! In spades. Although there may be some argument made that some visual techniquues may help some low vision folks, I delete any and all articles that do the following: 1. discribe a technique from a visual point of view: 2. promote a product by its manufacturer re: copy advertising. Tom To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
I saw many of the files on the handy man site when I helped David edit them. There were many references to diagrams and figures. When Ray gets back from vacation perhaps he can give me the URL sources so I can go there, see the figure and then write a description. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques HI, Max, I think that is a fine idea discriptions always help. regards don - Original Message - From: Max Robinson To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques I have a further suggestion. When information is posted that includes a reference to a diagram Ray, or who ever is posting it, should enlist the help of one of us partials to write a verbal description of the figure. I have considerable experience in doing this and am willing to do my share of the work. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Victor Gouveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Hi All, If I can weigh in here for a minute. I thought Mickey's post was done well, and I didn't think there was anything wrong with it. I just don't think that Mickey was necessarily thinking about the over 200 members on the list, and the fact that some of them, whether it be a small portion or large portion of our members, have usable sight, such as Don Shaw, or Boop, and for a time, before I went completely dark, I had some usable vision, as well, so Ray's posts do have merit, whether they be from a blind or sighted perspective. There have been many different opinions on this subject, some agreed with Mickey, and some did not, in any case, it is not up to a regular member on the list to decide where the list goes, it is up to the list owner and moderator. If you have problems with how the list is being run, or the direction that it is taking, feel free to write the owner or moderator. I mean, Jesus, there are, I think, something like four or five moderators, and I'm sure you get along with, at least, one of them. Another point is that these problems should be discussed off-list, not on list. When the necessary changes are to be implemented, and or if the owner and moderators feel that a consensus is needed from list members, then the subject should be broached on-list, otherwise, comments on list practises and allowances should be kept off-list. Lastly, there is one suggestion I would have for Ray, and that is, he should include the original website address with his posts, this serves two purposes... First, it allows the reader to check it's legitimacy, and accuracy, and allows for added ability of the reader to add the website to their favourites list. Secondly, it allows for the reader to go onto the website and check out if there's more stuff the reader might want to glean from it. I know of such posts that Ray has submitted where the information was, in a way what I was looking for, but had just the right amount off as to be useless to me, however, I wanted to go to the website to see if there might have been an addendum to the article that would've included that subtle difference that would have adapted the article to suit me. In any case, these suggestions have allowed the groups that I moderate to work alright, and I offer these ideas as suggestions for possible application. Victor Gouveia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
Like I said yesterday afternoon, if anybody isn't happy with the level of research that is being done on here by various list members then by all means please do better if you can. Everybody will benefit from it I'm sure. In other words quit complaining about it already because it seems to me that in a lot of ways it's up to us to adapt our skills to what ever job is it at hand. David Ferrin personal email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] Consciousness is that annoying time between naps. - Original Message - From: Ken Hawk To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Mickey, I'm totally blind, and agree with you. Ken - Original Message - From: jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques hi mickey i agree totaly. jim At 10:11 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote: Hi all. I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person. Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job? Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of how to do these things as a blind person. This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what others think. Thanks-- Mickey -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/480 - Release Date: 10/17/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/480 - Release Date: 10/17/2006 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
I'm confused by the discussion, I don't know of many things in the world easier to do then press the delete key. In particular, with respect to advertising, some of the material on power tools has been invaluable. It's the kind of thing that it would take a lot of time to search for. Geoff - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Mickey, HERE HERE! In spades. Although there may be some argument made that some visual techniquues may help some low vision folks, I delete any and all articles that do the following: 1. discribe a technique from a visual point of view: 2. promote a product by its manufacturer re: copy advertising. Tom To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
Thanks to all who replied to this issue. As expected, the responses are extremely varied. If nothing else, it has been interesting. Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming. - Original Message - From: Mickey Fixsen To: Blind Handyman Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Hi all. I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person. Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job? Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of how to do these things as a blind person. This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what others think. Thanks-- Mickey -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
Like Dale stated some inf can help. I like knowing how things are done with sight, because I know I will have to adapt that way to my way without sight. Even if the person is knolleged in how it should be done fo a blind person. I still want both ways of doing it. In that information I have offten found better ways of doing it for me. The starting point is always information. Weather its for sighted or blind. You alone can de side wiether you can handle the job or need someone else to do it. Tim trouble Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
Your post is interesting, but totally one sided and that is from a blind point of view. Be nice if there was direction for jobs and products for the blind along with the sighted. However, no matter what you think or say. Many people out there in todays society still get amazed that we can even do the most simple things being blind. Things that if a sighted person said it they wouldn't even give it a second thought. By knowing how the sighted do it, and your own abilities. You can come up with a reasonable way of doing something people didn't think you could do in the first place. If you want a example of just how much people or friends think of your blindness. Tell them that you cook or something simple that you know wouldn't get a response from a sighted person doing it, check there response. That alone is why things have no direction or even a clue out side of directions for the sighted. They make up the mass selling populous therefor get the easy way out. its up to us to figure out the blind way of doing things, and sharing that with others on a list such as this. At 11:11 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote: Hi all. I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person. Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job? Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of how to do these things as a blind person. This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what others think. Thanks-- Mickey -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Tim trouble Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
preach it brother!! - Original Message - From: Trouble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Your post is interesting, but totally one sided and that is from a blind point of view. Be nice if there was direction for jobs and products for the blind along with the sighted. However, no matter what you think or say. Many people out there in todays society still get amazed that we can even do the most simple things being blind. Things that if a sighted person said it they wouldn't even give it a second thought. By knowing how the sighted do it, and your own abilities. You can come up with a reasonable way of doing something people didn't think you could do in the first place. If you want a example of just how much people or friends think of your blindness. Tell them that you cook or something simple that you know wouldn't get a response from a sighted person doing it, check there response. That alone is why things have no direction or even a clue out side of directions for the sighted. They make up the mass selling populous therefor get the easy way out. its up to us to figure out the blind way of doing things, and sharing that with others on a list such as this. At 11:11 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote: Hi all. I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person. Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job? Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of how to do these things as a blind person. This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what others think. Thanks-- Mickey -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Tim trouble Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
trouble, Yes, of course, we all know all that, my unjustified complaint is just derived from frustration with the sighted world, sometimes I let it show in inappropriate ways. Tom To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
Well it's most likely time for us to put this thread to bed and get on with fixing things, of course only my opinion. David Ferrin personal email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] Consciousness is that annoying time between naps. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
Hi Mickey As I do a lot of the research for the Blind Handy Man List and I am going on Holidays I Appoint You to Stand In while I am away, it will be interesting to see what you can come up with. Remember Blind Techniques I think are your words so please base all your responses along these lines. Ray - Original Message - From: Mickey Fixsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Thanks to all who replied to this issue. As expected, the responses are extremely varied. If nothing else, it has been interesting. Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming. - Original Message - From: Mickey Fixsen To: Blind Handyman Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Hi all. I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person. Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job? Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of how to do these things as a blind person. This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what others think. Thanks-- Mickey -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/480 - Release Date: 10/17/2006 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
This is great as we won't be without a research department in your absence Ray. good of you to leave the list in such capable hands. David Ferrin personal email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] Consciousness is that annoying time between naps. - Original Message - From: Ray Boyce To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Hi Mickey As I do a lot of the research for the Blind Handy Man List and I am going on Holidays I Appoint You to Stand In while I am away, it will be interesting to see what you can come up with. Remember Blind Techniques I think are your words so please base all your responses along these lines. Ray - Original Message - From: Mickey Fixsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Thanks to all who replied to this issue. As expected, the responses are extremely varied. If nothing else, it has been interesting. Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming. - Original Message - From: Mickey Fixsen To: Blind Handyman Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Hi all. I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person. Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job? Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of how to do these things as a blind person. This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what others think. Thanks-- Mickey -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/480 - Release Date: 10/17/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
Mickey, if you don't like the list unsubscribe, just get the hell out...Don - Original Message - From: Mickey Fixsen To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques All I did was ask an honest question abut a list that purports to be about how a blind person can do all kinds of handyman type jobs. I simply stated my frustration that some postings are strictly geared toward the sighted and tell, in no way, how a blind person can do the job. I was not at all rude or nasty to anyone. I think this is a very fair question and it did get some honest answers. I don't think I deserve the nasty treatment for asking an honest question. Maybe it's really just a post anything you want as long as the moderator agrees with you list and really isn't about blindness at all. If so, then I was mistaken. At least, all of my postings have been from a blindness perstective. -- Mickey - Original Message - From: David Ferrin To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques This is great as we won't be without a research department in your absence Ray. good of you to leave the list in such capable hands. David Ferrin personal email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] Consciousness is that annoying time between naps. - Original Message - From: Ray Boyce To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Hi Mickey As I do a lot of the research for the Blind Handy Man List and I am going on Holidays I Appoint You to Stand In while I am away, it will be interesting to see what you can come up with. Remember Blind Techniques I think are your words so please base all your responses along these lines. Ray - Original Message - From: Mickey Fixsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Thanks to all who replied to this issue. As expected, the responses are extremely varied. If nothing else, it has been interesting. Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming. - Original Message - From: Mickey Fixsen To: Blind Handyman Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Hi all. I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person. Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job? Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of how to do these things as a blind person. This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what others think. Thanks-- Mickey -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address
RE: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
As far as forwards go If they are about finnishing wood or some thing that I have no interest in I just delete them But if they are about cars or chain saws or some thing that I am interested in I will take the time to read them. So I have no problem with the curent format. I think it works out just fine. To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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don, In no way do I want there to be no forwards on the list. I simply thought, from my own personal viewpoint, that some wer so visually oreinted as to be of little use. However I see that many like such and therefore withdraw the objections I had, particularly as I offended the researchers which i had no intent to do. I said I would not post on this subject again, but had too because I didi not mean to imply any such hard bound rule at all and don't want to be seen to have promoted such an idea. Please do not make a black and white yes/no situation out of something that was a discussion. and let's, as David F. says, end it here. tom To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
I agree, Jay. Mickey asked a legitimate question. Some agreed and some disagreed. I suspect enough agreed that things will continue pretty much as is. However, things have gone from disagreements over a legitimate question to...I'm not sure what. Even though I didn't agree with Mickey's position I sure hope he remains on the list and continues his valuable contributions. Ralph _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Williams Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:42 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Dear Don, I found Tom's and Mickey's post well-considered and civilized. Every list occasionally does a self-review of one sort or another and this is one of the beauties of how these things work. I'm deeply disappointed in your reactions. A suggestion such as Get the hell out is both unbecoming and uncalled-for unless the person to whom it was directed has proven to be malicious in intention. Please!!! listen to your last two responses. Jay - Original Message - From: Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:n5gbi%40cox.net To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Mickey, if you don't like the list unsubscribe, just get the hell out...Don - Original Message - From: Mickey Fixsen To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques All I did was ask an honest question abut a list that purports to be about how a blind person can do all kinds of handyman type jobs. I simply stated my frustration that some postings are strictly geared toward the sighted and tell, in no way, how a blind person can do the job. I was not at all rude or nasty to anyone. I think this is a very fair question and it did get some honest answers. I don't think I deserve the nasty treatment for asking an honest question. Maybe it's really just a post anything you want as long as the moderator agrees with you list and really isn't about blindness at all. If so, then I was mistaken. At least, all of my postings have been from a blindness perstective. -- Mickey - Original Message - From: David Ferrin To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques This is great as we won't be without a research department in your absence Ray. good of you to leave the list in such capable hands. David Ferrin personal email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:dpf%40jaws-users.com com Consciousness is that annoying time between naps. - Original Message - From: Ray Boyce To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Hi Mickey As I do a lot of the research for the Blind Handy Man List and I am going on Holidays I Appoint You to Stand In while I am away, it will be interesting to see what you can come up with. Remember Blind Techniques I think are your words so please base all your responses along these lines. Ray - Original Message - From: Mickey Fixsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:mfixsen%40avalon.net net To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Thanks to all who replied to this issue. As expected, the responses are extremely varied. If nothing else, it has been interesting. Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming. - Original Message - From: Mickey Fixsen To: Blind Handyman Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Hi all. I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person. Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job? Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of how to do these things as a blind person. This is, of course
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
Don, Why all the hostilaty? It is certainly not called for. The original question was fair, polite, and legitimate. It was asked simply to see how others felt. It did that and then, for some reason, you and a couple of others get nasty toward me. It makes no sense. - Original Message - From: Don To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Mickey, if you don't like the list unsubscribe, just get the hell out...Don - Original Message - From: Mickey Fixsen To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques All I did was ask an honest question abut a list that purports to be about how a blind person can do all kinds of handyman type jobs. I simply stated my frustration that some postings are strictly geared toward the sighted and tell, in no way, how a blind person can do the job. I was not at all rude or nasty to anyone. I think this is a very fair question and it did get some honest answers. I don't think I deserve the nasty treatment for asking an honest question. Maybe it's really just a post anything you want as long as the moderator agrees with you list and really isn't about blindness at all. If so, then I was mistaken. At least, all of my postings have been from a blindness perstective. -- Mickey - Original Message - From: David Ferrin To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques This is great as we won't be without a research department in your absence Ray. good of you to leave the list in such capable hands. David Ferrin personal email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] Consciousness is that annoying time between naps. - Original Message - From: Ray Boyce To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Hi Mickey As I do a lot of the research for the Blind Handy Man List and I am going on Holidays I Appoint You to Stand In while I am away, it will be interesting to see what you can come up with. Remember Blind Techniques I think are your words so please base all your responses along these lines. Ray - Original Message - From: Mickey Fixsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Thanks to all who replied to this issue. As expected, the responses are extremely varied. If nothing else, it has been interesting. Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming. - Original Message - From: Mickey Fixsen To: Blind Handyman Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Hi all. I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person. Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job? Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of how to do these things as a blind person. This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what others think. Thanks-- Mickey -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
OK Tom, you have had your saynow I will tell you the way things are going to,. be,. Yes it is a black/white/ yes no issue.We the moderators, that put the time and effort in this list, sure don't have the extra time, to read each post, in order to decide is this a sited how to,. are a blind how too issue. does this post pertain to the sited are the blind. Besides I think that most folks on this list, wouldn't want us to sincer the list postings like that... I personally like to hear the sited way of doing some projects, then adapting the project to do the blind way, that I would need to do the same project. If the post does not pertain to me, well I sure know where to find the delete key!!!. I would rather have the sited way to do a thing, rather than, the other choice, That would be know info at all. grin. So again Tom and list it will need to be one way are the other. And I am sure not saying that this needs to be a list of forwards,. Know way. But some forwards from time to time In my way of thinking are OK. But We will do what the biggest part of the list member ship wants to do... And know this thread will not end now,. We will take comments on this issue,. until tomorrow afternoon, and then I will talk to the list moderators, then we will talk about what the list wants, and then post the results. Then the thread will end. At that time the members that don't like the way it worked out, can sure feel free to unsubscribe. Regards Don - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques don, In no way do I want there to be no forwards on the list. I simply thought, from my own personal viewpoint, that some wer so visually oreinted as to be of little use. However I see that many like such and therefore withdraw the objections I had, particularly as I offended the researchers which i had no intent to do. I said I would not post on this subject again, but had too because I didi not mean to imply any such hard bound rule at all and don't want to be seen to have promoted such an idea. Please do not make a black and white yes/no situation out of something that was a discussion. and let's, as David F. says, end it here. tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
thanks jay i couldn't have said it better my self jim At 06:42 PM 10/18/2006, you wrote: Dear Don, I found Tom's and Mickey's post well-considered and civilized. Every list occasionally does a self-review of one sort or another and this is one of the beauties of how these things work. I'm deeply disappointed in your reactions. A suggestion such as Get the hell out is both unbecoming and uncalled-for unless the person to whom it was directed has proven to be malicious in intention. Please!!! listen to your last two responses. Jay - Original Message - From: Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Mickey, if you don't like the list unsubscribe, just get the hell out...Don - Original Message - From: Mickey Fixsen To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques All I did was ask an honest question abut a list that purports to be about how a blind person can do all kinds of handyman type jobs. I simply stated my frustration that some postings are strictly geared toward the sighted and tell, in no way, how a blind person can do the job. I was not at all rude or nasty to anyone. I think this is a very fair question and it did get some honest answers. I don't think I deserve the nasty treatment for asking an honest question. Maybe it's really just a post anything you want as long as the moderator agrees with you list and really isn't about blindness at all. If so, then I was mistaken. At least, all of my postings have been from a blindness perstective. -- Mickey - Original Message - From: David Ferrin To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques This is great as we won't be without a research department in your absence Ray. good of you to leave the list in such capable hands. David Ferrin personal email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] Consciousness is that annoying time between naps. - Original Message - From: Ray Boyce To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Hi Mickey As I do a lot of the research for the Blind Handy Man List and I am going on Holidays I Appoint You to Stand In while I am away, it will be interesting to see what you can come up with. Remember Blind Techniques I think are your words so please base all your responses along these lines. Ray - Original Message - From: Mickey Fixsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Thanks to all who replied to this issue. As expected, the responses are extremely varied. If nothing else, it has been interesting. Keep all of the good blind tricks and techniques coming. - Original Message - From: Mickey Fixsen To: Blind Handyman Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Hi all. I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person. Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job? Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of how to do these things as a blind person. This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what others think. Thanks-- Mickey -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2
RE: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
I too didn't think that Mickey's post was at all offensive, he was just asking for some additional information and assistance from the blindness prospective. Every list has to have some controversy once in a while, let the thread work itself out. Thanks, Jeff -Original Message- From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Victor Gouveia Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:43 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Hi All, If I can weigh in here for a minute. I thought Mickey's post was done well, and I didn't think there was anything wrong with it. I just don't think that Mickey was necessarily thinking about the over 200 members on the list, and the fact that some of them, whether it be a small portion or large portion of our members, have usable sight, such as Don Shaw, or Boop, and for a time, before I went completely dark, I had some usable vision, as well, so Ray's posts do have merit, whether they be from a blind or sighted perspective. There have been many different opinions on this subject, some agreed with Mickey, and some did not, in any case, it is not up to a regular member on the list to decide where the list goes, it is up to the list owner and moderator. If you have problems with how the list is being run, or the direction that it is taking, feel free to write the owner or moderator. I mean, Jesus, there are, I think, something like four or five moderators, and I'm sure you get along with, at least, one of them. Another point is that these problems should be discussed off-list, not on list. When the necessary changes are to be implemented, and or if the owner and moderators feel that a consensus is needed from list members, then the subject should be broached on-list, otherwise, comments on list practises and allowances should be kept off-list. Lastly, there is one suggestion I would have for Ray, and that is, he should include the original website address with his posts, this serves two purposes... First, it allows the reader to check it's legitimacy, and accuracy, and allows for added ability of the reader to add the website to their favourites list. Secondly, it allows for the reader to go onto the website and check out if there's more stuff the reader might want to glean from it. I know of such posts that Ray has submitted where the information was, in a way what I was looking for, but had just the right amount off as to be useless to me, however, I wanted to go to the website to see if there might have been an addendum to the article that would've included that subtle difference that would have adapted the article to suit me. In any case, these suggestions have allowed the groups that I moderate to work alright, and I offer these ideas as suggestions for possible application. Victor Gouveia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/483 - Release Date: 10/18/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
Since it's come down to a vote I say lets keep things the way they are now. How did the first blind man to drive a nail figure out how to do it. He first learned how a sighted person did it because that was the only information available. Then he adapted the sighted method and worked out how he could do it without seeing the hammer and nail. Let's stick with it. I use my delete key a lot and I won't say on what. It's no big deal. Listen to jaws read a sentence or so, reach for the delete key, and click, it's gone. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques OK Tom, you have had your saynow I will tell you the way things are going to,. be,. Yes it is a black/white/ yes no issue.We the moderators, that put the time and effort in this list, sure don't have the extra time, to read each post, in order to decide is this a sited how to,. are a blind how too issue.does this post pertain to the sited are the blind. Besides I think that most folks on this list, wouldn't want us to sincer the list postings like that... I personally like to hear the sited way of doing some projects, then adaptingthe project to do the blind way, that I would need to do the same project. If the post does not pertain to me, well I sure know where to find the delete key!!!. I would rather have the sited way to do a thing, rather than, the other choice, That would be know info at all. grin. So again Tom and list it will need to be one way are the other. And I am sure not saying that this needs to be a list of forwards,. Know way. But some forwards from time to time In my way of thinking are OK. But We will do what the biggest part of the list member ship wants to do... And know this thread will not end now,. We will take comments on this issue,. until tomorrow afternoon, and then I will talk to the list moderators, then we will talk about what the list wants, and then post the results. Then the thread will end. At that time the members that don't like the way it worked out, can sure feel free to unsubscribe. Regards Don - Original Message - From: Tom Fowle To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques don, In no way do I want there to be no forwards on the list. I simply thought, from my own personal viewpoint, that some wer so visually oreinted as to be of little use. However I see that many like such and therefore withdraw the objections I had, particularly as I offended the researchers which i had no intent to do. I said I would not post on this subject again, but had too because I didi not mean to imply any such hard bound rule at all and don't want to be seen to have promoted such an idea. Please do not make a black and white yes/no situation out of something that was a discussion. and let's, as David F. says, end it here. tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
I have a further suggestion. When information is posted that includes a reference to a diagram Ray, or who ever is posting it, should enlist the help of one of us partials to write a verbal description of the figure. I have considerable experience in doing this and am willing to do my share of the work. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Victor Gouveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques Hi All, If I can weigh in here for a minute. I thought Mickey's post was done well, and I didn't think there was anything wrong with it. I just don't think that Mickey was necessarily thinking about the over 200 members on the list, and the fact that some of them, whether it be a small portion or large portion of our members, have usable sight, such as Don Shaw, or Boop, and for a time, before I went completely dark, I had some usable vision, as well, so Ray's posts do have merit, whether they be from a blind or sighted perspective. There have been many different opinions on this subject, some agreed with Mickey, and some did not, in any case, it is not up to a regular member on the list to decide where the list goes, it is up to the list owner and moderator. If you have problems with how the list is being run, or the direction that it is taking, feel free to write the owner or moderator. I mean, Jesus, there are, I think, something like four or five moderators, and I'm sure you get along with, at least, one of them. Another point is that these problems should be discussed off-list, not on list. When the necessary changes are to be implemented, and or if the owner and moderators feel that a consensus is needed from list members, then the subject should be broached on-list, otherwise, comments on list practises and allowances should be kept off-list. Lastly, there is one suggestion I would have for Ray, and that is, he should include the original website address with his posts, this serves two purposes... First, it allows the reader to check it's legitimacy, and accuracy, and allows for added ability of the reader to add the website to their favourites list. Secondly, it allows for the reader to go onto the website and check out if there's more stuff the reader might want to glean from it. I know of such posts that Ray has submitted where the information was, in a way what I was looking for, but had just the right amount off as to be useless to me, however, I wanted to go to the website to see if there might have been an addendum to the article that would've included that subtle difference that would have adapted the article to suit me. In any case, these suggestions have allowed the groups that I moderate to work alright, and I offer these ideas as suggestions for possible application. Victor Gouveia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
Well as a blind female and should I need to have some major repairs done which I do have some patio issues hanging over my head and I asked this list for some info pertaining to what I needed to do to have it fixed and I received a ton of excellent information on the subject.. I of course will not do the repairs myself, but I like being aware of what it takes to have the job done correctly and the tools/supplies are all visual products but least I will know if I'm getting a good deal on the job rather than being in the dark and having to go alone with whatever is suggested at the time when it could be a less expensive way for me.. I appreciate the wealth of info that is provided on this list many many things I never knew of. So as far as I'm concerned I think this list is well worth the efforts all is put forth into and the researching of said products weather blind or sighted do it is irrelevant.. Hailley - Original Message - From: jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques hi mickey i agree totaly. jim At 10:11 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote: Hi all. I'm sorry, but I get frustrated when I read many things posted to this list that are simply a rehash of information available out there that is intended for sighted people. The information posted does not include the techniques and procedures to get the task done as a blind person. Shouldn't a rule of posting to this sight require the information posted to include the blindness techniques needed to do the Job? Granted, some posts do include blindness techniques and they are greatly appreciated. I am here, after all, to learn and share blindness techniques for doing all sorts of jobs as a blind person. It is of great help and encouragement to hear how other blind people are doing these jobs. It is of little or no help to me to hear how to do jobs by using vision. There are plenty of tv shows, books, and the internet to find information for sighted people. There is virtually no other place to get information of how to do these things as a blind person. This is, of course, just one person's opinion. I would like to hear what others think. Thanks-- Mickey -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/480 - Release Date: 10/17/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/480 - Release Date: 10/17/2006 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
People who post instructions and or information on how to do things can only offer what is available to them during the course of their research. Now having said that if anybody feels that this information is lacking in some form or another then by all means find and post more detailed instructions for the blind if you can find it. In other words if you can do better then go right ahead and do so. We'll all benefit from it I'm sure. David Ferrin personal email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] Consciousness is that annoying time between naps. - Original Message - From: Ralph Supernaw To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:16 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques I agree that what makes this list especially useful are the tips and explanations for how to do things the blind way. I can see some value in the information that does not pertain specifically to blind ways. One of the challenges of being blind is that finding information is more time-consuming and difficult than for sighted people. Therefore, it is nice to have that information run through my inbox. (actually my Blind Handyman folder). I can imagine that for those of you who have more knowledge and experience than a someone like me might get irritated at having tow weed through it all. Bottom line, though, is that the tips and discussions about how to do things the blind way are the cream. Ralph [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
I would add to what Ralph has said that sometimes the best way to figure out a blind way of doing something is to understand the usual way sighted people do it, not because they are sighted but because understanding what is required permits one to improvise. I learned how to sweat copper pipe from the clerk in a hardware store. He didn't actually teach me but he described thoroughly how it is done. The man didn't have a grade 8 education but he also didn't have the presumption that I shouldn't be told. Now here is the thing as I perceive it; I cannot observe many things being done, television programming frequently is insufficiently narrated, the few books I have looked into depend on photographs and drawings partly because it is clear but I suspect partly because the authors lack clarity of intellect and/or language to be able to logically and sequentially write out the description. I am often struck by the information not present when reading a catalogue or browsing the Web for goods and services and usually frustrated by the trivia and tripe the descriptions contain. I have to believe that it is because the image provides the information lacking in the text. Well of course I actually know that is not true the objective is to shift cash from my possession to that of the vendor which most seem to think is more easily done on an emotional level than a factual and intellectual level but I digress. Some times it is just better to understand the process then work out how to achieve it without sight. Perhaps Tom will remember us working through the sweating of copper pipe with the Educational Assistant and young high school lad a couple of years ago. She did not know the process so that is where we started then how I achieve it. Doubtless she had to improvise further to teach him how to achieve it and she did. There is, in my opinion, some merit in description of how things are done if for no other reason than to help grasp the concepts that sighted people can acquire by observation. Another example that comes up in my life fairly often is having a sighted person tell me how to get somewhere. They don't describe the route the way I would describe it to another blind person, much of what they use for guidance has no meaning for me at all and they never or rarely have much sense of what might be meaningful in way finding for me but, with their input I am often armed with a good starting point to find my way in my way. That reminds me, I should drop that lady a note to see how things are getting along, she must be an exceptional woman. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype DaleLeavens Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat. - Original Message - From: Ralph Supernaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:16 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques I agree that what makes this list especially useful are the tips and explanations for how to do things the blind way. I can see some value in the information that does not pertain specifically to blind ways. One of the challenges of being blind is that finding information is more time-consuming and difficult than for sighted people. Therefore, it is nice to have that information run through my inbox. (actually my Blind Handyman folder). I can imagine that for those of you who have more knowledge and experience than a someone like me might get irritated at having tow weed through it all. Bottom line, though, is that the tips and discussions about how to do things the blind way are the cream. Ralph [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: 14/10/2006 To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http
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I know from what I have learned from this list in the last few years that a previous contractor gave it a shove with no vasaline for my roofing job. that is why we are replacing a roof in less than 20 years. actually only 2 out of 8 contractors this past year have suggested, as you have on this list installing the heavier shingles. I will not do this job as in my opinion the roof is far to steep for someone who is not a trained roofer. nothing to do with blindness. Like Hailey , I want to know what to expect, what to feel and if I get screwed this time, it is my fault. . actually the man I am waiting for did a Friends roof early this ummer j just a block away.. I have done a few small jobs working with pvc pipe and it was because I learned from this list , so I extend a hand of thanks to all who share what they know. Lee, PS, I could use a full time plumber but could not afford the rates to keep up with things that go wrong in a house which was built I think in 1951 and it was built in a hurry, as we slowly find out. Lee -- Arguments with furniture are rarely productive. -- Kehlog Albran, The Profit To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [BlindHandyMan] blind techniques
Lee, I agree with this statement,. Two years ago was my last roofing job. And it isn't because I am blind, just old. RJ To listen to the show archives go to link http://acbradio.org/handyman.html or ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday The Pod Cast address for the Cooking In The Dark Show is. http://www.gcast.com/u/cookingindark/main.xml Visit The New Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various List Members At The Following Address: http://www.jaws-users.com/handyman/ Visit the new archives page at the following address http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man list just send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindhandyman/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
