US plans death camp
http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0%2C4057%2C6494000%255E401%2C00.html US plans death camp May 26, 2003 THE US has floated plans to turn Guantanamo Bay into a death camp, with its own death row and execution chamber. Prisoners would be tried, convicted and executed without leaving its boundaries, without a jury and without right of appeal, The Mail on Sunday newspaper reported yesterday. The plans were revealed by Major-General Geoffrey Miller, who is in charge of 680 suspects from 43 countries, including two Australians. The suspects have been held at Camp Delta on Cuba without charge for 18 months. General Miller said building a death row was one plan. Another was to have a permanent jail, with possibly an execution chamber. The Mail on Sunday reported the move is seen as logical by the US, which has been attacked worldwide for breaching the Geneva Convention on prisoners of war since it established the camp at a naval base to hold alleged terrorists from Afghanistan. But it has horrified human rights groups and lawyers representing detainees. They see it as the clearest indication America has no intention of falling in line with internationally recognised justice. The US has already said detainees would be tried by tribunals, without juries or appeals to a higher court. Detainees will be allowed only US lawyers. British activist Stephen Jakobi, of Fair Trials Abroad, said: The US is kicking and screaming against any pressure to conform with British or any other kind of international justice. American law professor Jonathan Turley, who has led US civil rights group protests against the military tribunals planned to hear cases at Guantanamo Bay, said: It is not surprising the authorities are building a death row because they have said they plan to try capital cases before these tribunals. This camp was created to execute people. The administration has no interest in long-term prison sentences for people it regards as hard-core terrorists. Britain admitted it had been kept in the dark about the plans. A Downing St spokesman said: The US Government is well aware of the British Government's position on the death penalty. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Pregnancy update
I had my first (but not my last) ultrasound exam with this pregnancy. Both twin girls are fine so far. Their parents, on the other hand, are in a bit of shock at the news. And their big brother doesn't quite understand what's going on, but was interested in things in the room where the ultrasound was done. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pregnancy update Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:51:52 -0500 I had my first (but not my last) ultrasound exam with this pregnancy. My sister in law just had one. Baby girl due at the end of August. :) (I have a friend who is also due at the same time: apparently Thanksgiving was a good holiday for that sort of thing. :) Both twin girls are fine so far. WOOHOO!! :-) Congratulations! (Do twins run in the family?) Their parents, on the other hand, are in a bit of shock at the news. You may laugh, but here's a secret passed on to me by an aunt to her success with twin boys: name tags. (OK, it's kinda obvious) She had their names embroidered into lots of shirts. Apparently it helped tremendously. :-) And their big brother doesn't quite understand what's going on, but was interested in things in the room where the ultrasound was done. *Grin* Robin and I want to wish you our most heartfelt congratulations! We're so happy for you and Dan!!! Jon Robin _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update
At 12:51 2003-05-27 -0500, Julia wrote: I had my first (but not my last) ultrasound exam with this pregnancy. Both twin girls are fine so far. Their parents, on the other hand, are in a bit of shock at the news. And their big brother doesn't quite understand what's going on, but was interested in things in the room where the ultrasound was done. Julia Congratulations! Not a lot more to say, is there? Jean-Louis ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Pregnancy update
From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I had my first (but not my last) ultrasound exam with this pregnancy. Both twin girls are fine so far. Their parents, on the other hand, are in a bit of shock at the news. Whoa! Yes, that would be a bit of a shock. Congratulations, though!! Oh-boy. I think we'll be seeing a bit less of a certain listowner in the near future... - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update
Jon Gabriel wrote: From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pregnancy update Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:51:52 -0500 I had my first (but not my last) ultrasound exam with this pregnancy. My sister in law just had one. Baby girl due at the end of August. :) (I have a friend who is also due at the same time: apparently Thanksgiving was a good holiday for that sort of thing. :) Both twin girls are fine so far. WOOHOO!! :-) Congratulations! (Do twins run in the family?) My father's mother gave birth to twin boys. My father was the next child after that. Took her 4 tries to end up with twins, though, and I've done it in 2. Their parents, on the other hand, are in a bit of shock at the news. You may laugh, but here's a secret passed on to me by an aunt to her success with twin boys: name tags. (OK, it's kinda obvious) She had their names embroidered into lots of shirts. Apparently it helped tremendously. :-) Well, if they're not identical, that won't be such an issue. Right now, we're just realizing that there's a ton of logistical stuff that we were all set for with just 1, having saved pretty much everything from Sammy's infancy, but now with 2 babies, it'll be a different ballgame. (At least we have mothers and friends who will be more than happy to help out with most of the wardrobe issues) And their big brother doesn't quite understand what's going on, but was interested in things in the room where the ultrasound was done. *Grin* Robin and I want to wish you our most heartfelt congratulations! We're so happy for you and Dan!!! Jon Robin Thank you! Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bush, Blair Nominated for Nobel Prize for Iraq War
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bush, Blair Nominated for Nobel Prize for Iraq War Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 07:37:35 -0700 (PDT) --- Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wasn't previously aware that there was a Nobel War Prize. It was given to Yasser Arafat last decade. Jon Yeah, given just how poorly the Nobel has been awarded over the last few years, it's sort of become a badge of dishonor at this point, hasn't it? Speaking purely personally, I've only been happy with the recipients of two of the peace prizes presented in the last 10 years: Those to: Doctors without Borders and Carlos Felipe Ximenes Belo/Jose Ramos-Horta But it's not like it's my call. :-) Jon _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update ...um Dor-hinuf's
In a message dated 5/27/2003 10:47:23 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had my first (but not my last) ultrasound exam with this pregnancy. Both twin girls are fine so far. Yesterday I had just emailed off to our good Dr. Brin the idea that hoons could tell the sex of an unborn child from the sounds that it makes while still in the womb. That or a hoon's unble is so strong that they can do their own type of ultrasound scan. At a hoonish birth, a chorus of midwives all umble Come on out and greet the world. William Taylor - I haven't figured out where the extra parts go to make a fetal position. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:51 PM Subject: Pregnancy update I had my first (but not my last) ultrasound exam with this pregnancy. Both twin girls are fine so far. Their parents, on the other hand, are in a bit of shock at the news. I can imagine. Congradulations on getting to three so quickly. It took us 7 years after Amy was born. :-) Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DPS destroys records in cover-up
The Fool wrote: http://www.statesman.com/hp/content/coxnet/texas/legislature/0503/0522dps. html Democrats fume after DPS destroys Killer D records By David Pasztor AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF Thursday, May 22, 2003 More recent articles from the Statesman: http://tinyurl.com/cse0 (Friday) http://tinyurl.com/cseg (Saturday) I meant to track down a link to the article Kneem posted after I read it in the print edition on Thursday, but spaced while I was working on trip prep for our getaway over the weekend, and when I checked e-mail this morning, there it was. If anyone wants the articles actually mailed to them off-list, let me know off-list and I'll do that. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update ...um Dor-hinuf's
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pregnancy update ...um Dor-hinuf's Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:15:52 EDT In a message dated 5/27/2003 10:47:23 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had my first (but not my last) ultrasound exam with this pregnancy. Both twin girls are fine so far. Yesterday I had just emailed off to our good Dr. Brin the idea that hoons could tell the sex of an unborn child from the sounds that it makes while still in the womb. That or a hoon's unble is so strong that they can do their own type of ultrasound scan. At a hoonish birth, a chorus of midwives all umble Come on out and greet the world. Baby Spines. Mother's Soft Belly Tissue. I sense disaster on the wind. Yikes. Jon GSV How do Hoons translate Cesaerian Section? _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: DPS destroys records in cover-up
From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: Democrats fume after DPS destroys Killer D records By David Pasztor Are the Killer D's back yet? I haven't heard but I sort of assumed they must be. I wonder if we'll get some additional hits on the Brin-L with people searching for info on the Killer B's? - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Pregnancy update ...um Dor-hinuf's
From: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Baby Spines. Mother's Soft Belly Tissue. I sense disaster on the wind. Yikes. Jon GSV How do Hoons translate Cesarean Section? Sounds like it's sort of a do-it-yourself Cesarean! Ouch. - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update ...um Dor-hinuf's
In a message dated 5/27/03 12:34:43 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Baby Spines. Mother's Soft Belly Tissue. I sense disaster on the wind. From what I read, the baby spine isn't barbed. It's the adult spine that comes in as a teenager that has the barbs. Or are you just barbing me? William Taylor - Likewise the throat sac can't inflate... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Right now, we're just realizing that there's a ton of logistical stuff that we were all set for with just 1, having saved pretty much everything from Sammy's infancy, but now with 2 babies, it'll be a different ballgame. (At least we have mothers and friends who will be more than happy to help out with most of the wardrobe issues) Don't overlook garage sales! I've found quite a lot of essentially new (sometimes still-original-price-tagged) baby/toddler clothing at garage sales in 'better neighborhoods.' As well as other supplies. Happy revised planning! :D Debbi who thinks garage sales are a lot of fun, with the finding of occasional little treasures... __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update ...um Dor-hinuf's
Jon Gabriel wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pregnancy update ...um Dor-hinuf's Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:15:52 EDT In a message dated 5/27/2003 10:47:23 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had my first (but not my last) ultrasound exam with this pregnancy. Both twin girls are fine so far. Yesterday I had just emailed off to our good Dr. Brin the idea that hoons could tell the sex of an unborn child from the sounds that it makes while still in the womb. That or a hoon's unble is so strong that they can do their own type of ultrasound scan. At a hoonish birth, a chorus of midwives all umble Come on out and greet the world. Baby Spines. Mother's Soft Belly Tissue. I sense disaster on the wind. Yikes. Baby porcupine quills are soft enough at birth for *that* not to be a problem. That might be one of those things where the texture changes radically once things have dried out. Baby anything-with-a-horn have very small horns at birth, or the horns don't grow in until after birth (so's you have the helpless infant problem, but still not as bad as humans do). Jon GSV How do Hoons translate Cesaerian Section? Aigh! Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: DPS destroys records in cover-up
Horn, John wrote: From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: Democrats fume after DPS destroys Killer D records By David Pasztor Are the Killer D's back yet? I haven't heard but I sort of assumed they must be. Oh, yes. They came back the Thursday evening of the week they'd left, so that would have been late the 15th. http://www.statesman.com/search/content/coxnet/texas/legislature/index.html if you want even more stuff than has been posted here from the Statesman. You have to look for it in the midst of all the other stuff, but it's not too hard to read a headline and decide if that's what you wanted or not. :) I wonder if we'll get some additional hits on the Brin-L with people searching for info on the Killer B's? That's a good question. I have no good answer. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update
Deborah Harrell wrote: --- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Right now, we're just realizing that there's a ton of logistical stuff that we were all set for with just 1, having saved pretty much everything from Sammy's infancy, but now with 2 babies, it'll be a different ballgame. (At least we have mothers and friends who will be more than happy to help out with most of the wardrobe issues) Don't overlook garage sales! I've found quite a lot of essentially new (sometimes still-original-price-tagged) baby/toddler clothing at garage sales in 'better neighborhoods.' As well as other supplies. Happy revised planning! :D Debbi who thinks garage sales are a lot of fun, with the finding of occasional little treasures... I missed the Austin Citywide Garage sale. Of course, I didn't know I was having a girl, let alone 2, when it happened this past weekend. And how do you end up with the *Austin* Citywide Garage Sale being at the Dell Diamond in *Round Rock*? (I think that was the most stupidly oxymoronic thing I ran into this weekend, that idea. I ran into other oxymoronic stuff, but a lot of that was the result of someone trying hard to be that way, so it wasn't *stupidly* oxymoronic.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Political Compass
--- Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Donkeys are the sterile offspring of horses and asses. They are hybrids. Correction: Mules are the sterile offspring of horses and donkeys. (ass == donkey). Specifically, breeding a male donkey and a female horse results in a mule, while the opposite apparently results in a more horse-like hinny. At least according to this site: http://www.imh.org/imh/bw/mule.html To me, that last point is pretty interesting. I wonder what would cause those differences between a mule and a hinny, when I would expect that they would have pretty much equivalent DNA? Could the pregnancy environment account for the difference? While I'm guessing here, I think the cellular engines might account for some differences, as mitochondria essentially all come from the mother (AFAIK the contribution of mitochondria from sperm are so rare as to be basically nil). Another difference might be from the behavior of the mother - foals clearly are influenced by the temperament of their dam (or surrogate dam, in the case of orphaned foals), and horses do tend to interact differently than donkeys. The site you posted notes unusual color patterns in spotted mules -- one of the cutest little molly mules I ever saw had a nearly calico coat (brown, white, roan), and was super-friendly to boot. Fiddling With Tradition Maru ;) __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Ignorance is Strength: republicans, abortion, breast cancer
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/05/22/M N200332.DTL Texas OKs rigid abortion-counseling law Doctors must cite nonexistent link to cancer Scott Gold, Los Angeles Times Thursday, May 22, 2003 Houston -- Texas approved one of the nation's most sweeping abortion counseling laws Wednesday, requiring doctors, among other things, to warn women that abortion might lead to breast cancer -- a correlation that does not exist, according to the American Cancer Society and federal researchers. snip As I posted last year, there has been *no* convincing evidence linking either breast or cervical cancer to abortion. However, there is quite clear evidence that breast cancer risk is *reduced* with each pregnancy and with ~ every 6-8 months of breastfeeding. (This probably has to do with reduced exposure of breast tissue to hormone fluctuations, i.e. fewer menstrual cycles; increased prolactin levels might also play a role. Research continues.) Debbi __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bloggraffiti
Armin (and Han, but he liked Armin's better, so I'm going with that one) posted a better way to display our masterpieces, so Im going to try it: http://www.blograffiti.com/fulldisplay.php?imgid=111386fullsizeformat=jpg http://www.blograffiti.com/fulldisplay.php?imgid=111325fullsizeformat=jpg http://www.blograffiti.com/fulldisplay.php?imgid=112308fullsizeformat=jpg Catasstrophy Indeed Maru ;) __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bloggraffiti
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Armin (and Han, but he liked Armin's better, so I'm going with that one) posted a better way to display our masterpieces, so Im going to try it: http://www.blograffiti.com/fulldisplay.php?imgid=111386fullsizeformat=jpg http://www.blograffiti.com/fulldisplay.php?imgid=111325fullsizeformat=jpg delete Aaighgh! That last one wasn't mine! Here it is... http://www.blograffiti.com/fulldisplay.php?imgid=111308fullsizeformat=jpg Slip Of The Keystroke Maru :P __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Chimpanzees found to have human-like voicebox
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s862604.htm Chimpanzees found to have human-like voicebox Tuesday, 27 May 2003 Chimpanzees have larynx that is more human-like than scientists thought (Pic: Central Washington University) A long-held assumption that the human capacity for speech evolved as a result of a unique positioning of the larynx, or voicebox, has been overturned by the unexpected discovery that chimpanzees have the same trait. A team of Japanese researchers has revealed for the first time that in chimpanzee infants the larynx also descends closer to the lungs after birth, according to a study published today in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. I am surprised - it means that the anatomical precursors for speech were there much earlier in evolution than we thought, just as they are in the brain, said Professor Colin Groves, an anthropologist at the Australian National University in Canberra, commenting on the finding. The research team, lead by Dr Takeshi Nishimura of the Primate Research Institute at Kyoto University, monitored in detail how the vocal tracts of three infant chimps - born in 2000 and reared by their biological mothers at the institute - developed over the first two years of their lives. Using magnetic resonance imaging technology, the team found that all the chimps' larynxes rapidly descended over that period from their original birth positions to be repositioned much lower in the neck - at a point between the pharynx and lungs. Until now it was thought that this happened only in humans. This repositioning was considered the anatomical basis for the generation and articulation of the complex sounds that comprise speech in humans. The finding suggests that the evolution of the human vocal system may have occurred in two steps, not one as originally thought. The first step - the descent of the larynx relative to the hyoid bone, a U-shaped bone in the upper neck - is likely to have occurred before the human and chimpanzee lineages split about 6 million years ago. The second step - the descent of the hyoid bone relative to the skull - appears to have occurred only in humans and further enabled complex vocalizations. Although the first step is a pre-requisite for speech production, the researchers speculate that it may have resulted from changes in the swallowing mechanism. In newborn humans, the higher initial positioning of the larynx enables them suckle and breathe simultaneously. The subsequent anatomical changes increase the risk of choking, because air and food must then travel a common pathway behind the tongue - suggesting that the acquisition of the power of speech came at a safety cost to humans. The findings also add weight to a growing belief among anthropologists that other earlier members of the human family tree - such as Neanderthals - also had some capacity for speech. Recently, Professor Steven Mithen of the University of Reading in Britain argued that the emergence of language does not necessarily explain why modern humans were so much more successful than their ancestors. Both Homo neanderthalensis and Homo heidelbergensis evolved vocal tracts that would have been capable of producing a wide range of utterances, Mithen told New Scientist magazine. We cannot tell whether these species had the vast lexicon and grammatical complexity that distinguishes language from the vocalisations of apes. But the vocalisations of both were language. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
SCOUTED: Massive Tsunami Sweeps Atlantic Ocean In AsteroidImpact Scenario For March 16, 2880
http://www.ucsc.edu/news_events/press_releases/text.asp?pid=355 May 27, 2003 Contact: Tim Stephens (831) 459-2495; [EMAIL PROTECTED] UC Santa Cruz Press Release Massive tsunami sweeps Atlantic Coast in asteroid impact scenario for March 16, 2880 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE SANTA CRUZ, CA--If an asteroid crashes into the Earth, it is likely to splash down somewhere in the oceans that cover 70 percent of the planet's surface. Huge tsunami waves, spreading out from the impact site like the ripples from a rock tossed into a pond, would inundate heavily populated coastal areas. A computer simulation of an asteroid impact tsunami developed by scientists at the University of California, Santa Cruz, shows waves as high as 400 feet sweeping onto the Atlantic Coast of the United States. The researchers based their simulation on a real asteroid known to be on course for a close encounter with Earth eight centuries from now. Steven Ward, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics at UCSC, and Erik Asphaug, an associate professor of Earth sciences, report their findings in the June issue of the Geophysical Journal International. March 16, 2880, is the day the asteroid known as 1950 DA, a huge rock two-thirds of a mile in diameter, is due to swing so close to Earth it could slam into the Atlantic Ocean at 38,000 miles per hour. The probability of a direct hit is pretty small, but over the long timescales of Earth's history, asteroids this size and larger have periodically hammered the planet, sometimes with calamitous effects. The so-called K/T impact, for example, ended the age of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. From a geologic perspective, events like this have happened many times in the past. Asteroids the size of 1950 DA have probably struck the Earth about 600 times since the age of the dinosaurs, Ward said. Ward and Asphaug's study is part of a general effort to conduct a rational assessment of asteroid impact hazards. Asphaug, who organized a NASA-sponsored scientific workshop on asteroids last year, noted that asteroid risks are interesting because the probabilities are so small while the potential consequences are enormous. Furthermore, the laws of orbital mechanics make it possible for scientists to predict an impact if they are able to detect the asteroid in advance. It's like knowing the exact time when Mount Shasta will erupt, Asphaug said. The way to deal with any natural hazard is to improve our knowledge base, so we can turn the kind of human fear that gets played on in the movies into something that we have a handle on. Although the probability of an impact from 1950 DA is only about 0.3 percent, it is the only asteroid yet detected that scientists cannot entirely dismiss as a threat. A team of scientists led by researchers at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory reported on the probability of 1950 DA crossing paths with the Earth in the April 5, 2002, issue of the journal Science. It's a low threat, actually a bit lower than the threat of being hit by an as-yet-undiscovered asteroid in the same size range over the same period of time, but it provided a good representative scenario for us to analyze, Asphaug said. For the simulation, the researchers chose an impact site consistent with the orientation of the Earth at the time of the predicted encounter: in the Atlantic Ocean about 360 miles from the U.S. coast. Ward summarized the results as follows: The 60,000-megaton blast of the impact vaporizes the asteroid and blows a cavity in the ocean 11 miles across and all the way down to the seafloor, which is about 3 miles deep at that point. The blast even excavates some of the seafloor. Water then rushes back in to fill the cavity, and a ring of waves spreads out in all directions. The impact creates tsunami waves of all frequencies and wavelengths, with a peak wavelength about the same as the diameter of the cavity. Because lower-frequency waves travel faster than waves with higher frequencies, the initial impulse spreads out into a series of waves. In the movies they show one big wave, but you actually end up with dozens of waves. The first ones to arrive are pretty small, and they gradually increase in height, arriving at intervals of 3 or 4 minutes, Ward said. The waves propagate all through the Atlantic Ocean and the Caribbean. The waves decay as they travel, so coastal areas closest to the impact get hit by the largest waves. Two hours after impact, 400-foot waves reach beaches from Cape Cod to Cape Hatteras, and by four hours after impact the entire East Coast has experienced waves at least 200 feet high, Ward said. It takes 8 hours for the waves to reach Europe, where they come ashore at heights of about 30 to 50 feet. Computer simulations not only give scientists a better handle on the potential hazards of asteroid impacts, they can also help researchers interpret the geologic evidence of past events, Ward said. Geologists have found evidence of past asteroid impact tsunamis in
ATTN THE LIST: Re: The nut that holds the wheel . . .
At 08:05 AM 5/27/03 -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: [Before someone puts an aircar in every garage . . . ] [snip] A list member contacted me off-list to tell me that this message arrived in that member's inbox with the formatting messed up. I looked at the message on-list and it looks fine to me. Did anyone else get it with messy formatting? If so, please let me know and maybe that'll give a hint as to where the problem is occurring. Thanks! -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update
At 12:51 PM 5/27/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: I had my first (but not my last) ultrasound exam with this pregnancy. Both twin girls are fine so far. Same question as before: How'd THAT happen?! Their parents, on the other hand, are in a bit of shock at the news. As are the rest of us. So is the new interim designation Beta-1 and Beta-2, or what? BTW, congratulations² . . . -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Think you have the right stuff?
Al Feinberg Headquarters, Washington May 27, 2003 (Phone: 202/358-4504) Doug Peterson Johnson Space Center, Houston (Phone: 281/483-5111) RELEASE: 03-183 NASA OPENS APPLICATIONS FOR NEW ASTRONAUT CLASS NASA is accepting applications for mission specialist and pilot astronaut candidates to join the 2004 Astronaut Candidate Class. To obtain an application package, call the Astronaut Selection Office in Houston at: 281/483-5907; or write to the Johnson Space Center, Astronaut Selection Office, Mail Code AHX, Houston, Texas 77058-3696. Application forms and additional information about the Astronaut Candidate Program are available electronically through the Astronaut Selection Office Web site at: http://www.nasajobs.nasa.gov/astronauts/ Typically, successful applicants for the mission specialist astronaut positions have significant qualifications in engineering or science, while pilot candidates must have extensive experience flying high-performance jet aircraft. Following an intensive six-month period of evaluation and interviews, the final selections will be announced in early 2004. Astronaut candidates will report to the Johnson Space Center during the summer of 2004 to begin the basic training program to prepare them for future spaceflight assignments. The application deadline is July 1, 2003. Applications received after July 1 will not be considered for the 2004 class but will remain on file for subsequent selection cycles. The Astronaut Candidate Class of 2004 also will include educator astronauts, teachers who will join NASA's astronaut corps and encourage students to pursue studies in math and science. The Educator Astronaut Program (EAP) was announced in January, and applications closed April 30. More than 1,100 EAP applications have been processed. Information about the Educator Astronaut Program is available on the Internet at: http://edspace.nasa.gov For more information about NASA and the Human Space Flight Program on the Internet, visit: http://www.nasa.gov -end- * * * NASA press releases and other information are available automatically by sending an Internet electronic mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message (not the subject line) users should type the words subscribe press-release (no quotes). The system will reply with a confirmation via E-mail of each subscription. A second automatic message will include additional information on the service. NASA releases also are available via CompuServe using the command GO NASA. To unsubscribe from this mailing list, address an E-mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], leave the subject blank, and type only unsubscribe press-release (no quotes) in the body of the message. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 12:51 PM 5/27/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: I had my first (but not my last) ultrasound exam with this pregnancy. Both twin girls are fine so far. Same question as before: How'd THAT happen?! Um, unprotected sex around the time of ovulation? But maybe 2 eggs were released? (We don't know if they're identical or fraternal, but fraternal hasn't been ruled out.) Technical details might end up being TMI, so I'll refrain. Their parents, on the other hand, are in a bit of shock at the news. As are the rest of us. So is the new interim designation Beta-1 and Beta-2, or what? I think Dan went to Beta and Omega today. The question now is, is Beta the one on my left or on my right? (They're side by side. The one on my left is a bit bigger. Oh, and they'll be monitoring that -- ultrasound every month!) BTW, congratulations² . . . Thank you. (How many does it have to be for you to wish congratulations! ?) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
SCOUTED: Congress passes Citizenship Redefinition AndIncome-Based Relocation Act of 2003
Terrifying Bill Passed During NBA Playoffs WASHINGTON, DCWith the nation safely distracted by the NBA playoffs, Congress passed the terrifying Citizenship Redefinition And Income-Based Relocation Act of 2003 with little opposition Monday. This piece of legislation is essential, both for more efficient implementation of the New American Ideal and to give law enforcement the broad discretionary powers necessary to enforce certain vital civil and behavioral mandates, said U.S. Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN), addressing an empty press room Sunday, midway through game four of the NBA Eastern Conference finals. We are confident that Americans will embrace this law, should they eventually realize it has been passed. H.R. 2395 was introduced to Congress on May 15 during the fourth quarter of the San Antonio Spurs' 110-82 victory over the defending-champion Los Angeles Lakers in the deciding game of the Western Conference semifinals. Andy Guthridge of Savannah, GA, is among the estimated 240 million Americans unaware of the sweeping package of civil-liberties curtailments, voting-privilege re-qualifications, and mandatory relocation of the working poor to the Dakotas. Man, I was so glad to see the Lakers finally get knocked off, said Guthridge, who was glued to TNT while the bill's passage aired on C-SPAN. Shaq and Kobe and the rest of those dicks have had it coming for a long time. [photo] [photo] Above: Dallas Mavericks fans cheer on their team while Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (above) announced the passage of the terrifying new law. In addition to allocating $14 billion for development of surveillance technologies and domestic weaponry, the bill expands the criminal code to include any acts determined to be a compromise of national interests by the Justice Department or other federal authorities. U.S. Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) also tacked on a rider late in the approval process that adds situational provisions to the First Amendment and effectively does away with the Fifth. The controversial additions might have threatened the law's passage, had they not been made during the closing minutes of the Dallas Mavericks' thrilling 112-99 come-from-behind win over the Sacramento Kings in game seven of their series. The First Amendment will still protect almost all of the forms of expression that it always has, said Biden, who will assume his new duties as Commandant Of The Greater West on June 1. The average patriotic American won't even notice the difference. How about that Jason Kidd? Right now, I'd say he's the best point guard in the East, if not the entire NBA. Americans' reactions to the new laws were mixed. I know everyone's talking about the Nets these days, but the Mavs are still the team to beat, said Plano, TX, resident Doug Abbott, whose vegetable-wholesaling business is slated to be annexed by the newly created Federal Reacquisition Corps. I'm sorry, but you're not winning an NBA championship with Jason Collins at center. They'll easily get past the Pistons, but come Finals time, [Dirk] Nowitzki's gonna eat him alive. No waythis is the Nets' year, said James Cimini of Hackensack, NJ. With the Lakers out of the picture, it's New Jersey's time to shine. Whether it's the Spurs or the Mavs, neither team can contain K-Mart, Mr. Kenyon Martin. This postseason, he's moved up from being merely a very good forward to one of the league's elite players. In a nationally televised address before an estimated audience of 150, President Bush praised the Citizenship Redefinition And Income-Based Relocation Act. The swift passage of this very important law proves what I have always believed: that government works best when spared the constant carping and criticism of naysayers, Bush said. I am proud of all the senators, representatives, regional overseers, and metropolitan sub-commanders who worked so hard to make this law a reality. Almost as proud as San Antonio is of its Spurs. http://www.theonion.com/onion3920/terrifying_bill_passed.html ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Science Fiction Predictions That Didn't Come True
== TOPFIVE.COM'S LITTLE FIVERS -- SCIENCE http://www.topfive.com/fivers.shtml == May 27, 2003 The Top 9 Little-Known 19th Century Science Fiction Predictions That Didn't Come True 9 Everyone will own a flying buggy. 8 By 2003, people will give up as futile their efforts to remove all that pesky wildlife from the planet. 7 Communication advances will make news reporting 99.98% reliable. 6 In the future, cities will be designed around the groundbreaking invention of the bicycle. 5 Due to their bad smell and caustic nature, petroleum-based fuels will be abandoned. 4 By the mid-1900s women will be genetically enhanced to be strong enough to do the work of two plow horses. 3 With the advent of the counting machine and its punch cards, uncertainty in the outcome of elections will be a thing of the past! 2 A robot will invent an information-sharing medium that changes the world, then run for President of the USA -- and win! and the Number 1 Little-Known 19th Century Science Fiction Prediction That Didnt Come True... 1 As traffic continues to grow on city streets, fortunes will be made in horse manure removal technology. [ Copyright 2003 by Chris White] [ http://www.topfive.com ] == Selected from 25 submissions from 9 contributors. Today's Top 5 List authors are: -- Joseph Moore, Concord, CA -- 1, 2, 8 (Eureka!) Duke Fenton, Cheshire, CT -- 3 Joe Terranova, Lake Orion, MI -- 4, 9 James Knowles, Bellingham, WA -- 5, 9 Slick Sharkey, Miami, FL-- 6 William Wickart, Hillsboro, OH -- 7 Rabbi Crut, Bowling Green, OH -- 9 Larry Baum, Hong Kong-- List Moderator == [ TOPFIVE.COM'S LITTLE FIVERS ] [Top 10 lists on a variety of subjects ] [ http://www.topfive.com ] == [ Copyright 2003 by Chris White All rights reserved. ] [ Do not forward, publish, broadcast, or use ] [ in any manner without crediting TopFive.com ] == [ To complain to the moderator: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ Have friends who might like to subscribe to this list? ] [ Refer them to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] == ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update
Julia wrote: I had my first (but not my last) ultrasound exam with this pregnancy. Both twin girls are fine so far. Their parents, on the other hand, are in a bit of shock at the news. Double your pleasure, double your fun... (You're probably already sick of hearing that one, sorry) Congrats and best of luck! Reggie Bautista _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update
Um, unprotected sex around the time of ovulation? But maybe 2 eggs were released? (We don't know if they're identical or fraternal, but fraternal hasn't been ruled out.) I've personally concluded that this is some mad cloning experiment! ;) I think Dan went to Beta and Omega today. The question now is, is Beta the one on my left or on my right? (They're side by side. The one on my left is a bit bigger. Oh, and they'll be monitoring that -- ultrasound every month!) I think calling one Omega has some definite connotations behind it... Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. Now Building: Revell's Challenger 1 KFOR ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update
At 01:01 PM 5/27/03 -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote: Debbi who thinks garage sales are a lot of fun, with the finding of occasional little treasures... Though other times they would be more accurately billed as garbage sales . . . -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update ...um Dor-hinuf's
At 03:11 PM 5/27/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Jon Gabriel wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pregnancy update ...um Dor-hinuf's Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:15:52 EDT In a message dated 5/27/2003 10:47:23 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had my first (but not my last) ultrasound exam with this pregnancy. Both twin girls are fine so far. Yesterday I had just emailed off to our good Dr. Brin the idea that hoons could tell the sex of an unborn child from the sounds that it makes while still in the womb. That or a hoon's unble is so strong that they can do their own type of ultrasound scan. At a hoonish birth, a chorus of midwives all umble Come on out and greet the world. Baby Spines. Mother's Soft Belly Tissue. I sense disaster on the wind. Yikes. Baby porcupine quills are soft enough at birth for *that* not to be a problem. That might be one of those things where the texture changes radically once things have dried out. Baby anything-with-a-horn have very small horns at birth, or the horns don't grow in until after birth (so's you have the helpless infant problem, but still not as bad as humans do). It's not the *baby* humans who are horny . . . -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
WMD: US Restarts Nuclear Program
WMD: US Restarts Nuclear Program by: Wire Services http://www.republicons.org/view_article.asp?RP_ARTICLE_ID=920 4/24/2003 The Los Angeles Times reported Wednesday in its article After 'Decline,' U.S. Again Capable of Making Nuclear Arms, that the United States has restarted production of plutonium components for nuclear bombs at its Los Alamos National Laboratory for the first time in 14 years. The paper referred to the restarting as an important symbolic and operational milestone in rebuilding the nation's nuclear weapons complex. American scientists working for the National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) have started producing the plutonium pits that are at the core of nuclear weaponry. (Conventional explosives encase a hollow plutonium sphere, or pit, and trigger a chain reaction when detonated.) Under a program put forward by the White House, the United States is also working on a new factory to supply components for hundreds of weapons each year, according to the report. The US Department of Energy, which oversees the NNSA and runs America's weapons program, could not be reached for comment late Wednesday. But the Times quoted unnamed department officials as denying that they are actually producing nuclear weapons -- only ensuring the reliability of exiting weapons. But nuclear scientists in both Russia and the United States disputed this claim. Pits are empty spheres of plutonium, they cannot age, said a senior nuclear expert at one of Russia's leading institutes, who spoke on condition of anonymity. Such production cannot be justified by the need to maintain the safety of the existing stockpile of US weapons. First of all, it could mean that America has restarted the production of nuclear warheads and that it is supporting the industry, the expert said. In Russia, such workshops are being closed down. Arjun Makhijani, an acclaimed nuclear scientist who runs the Institute for Energy and Environmental Research in Tacoma, Washington, agreed: There is absolutely no need in my opinion to do this. On the contrary, it is very dangerous, Makhijani said by telephone. This is just the beginning of pit manufacturing. The US has a capacity to eventually make 50 to 80 pits a year, but the Department of Energy has proposed to build a new pit facility where they will be able to make up to 500 pits per year. The United States does not need any more nuclear warheads. Igor Ostretsov, the deputy director for science of the All-Russia Research Center of Nuclear Machine-Building, said that while the United States may need new parts to maintain the efficiency of its warheads, it looks as if it is also moving to improve its nuclear arsenal. If they are making pits, it may be linked to making new [nuclear warhead] models, he said. The move may also violate the Nonproliferation Treaty that the United States, Russia and other nuclear nations signed in 2000, in which they pledged to undertake an irreversible reduction of their nuclear arsenals. Under Article 2 of the treaty, signatories are forbidden from manufacturing or otherwise acquiring nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices. I don't know whether it will reignite the arms race, but it is certainly in line with the U.S. strategy of continuing to use nuclear weapons as a central part of its military strategy, Makhijani said. Some military experts also said that the real aim of the program appears to be boosting the United States' nuclear complex -- a costly move that makes no strategic sense. It is a sign that after a long period of decline, the weapons complex is back and growing, Jon Wolfsthal, deputy director of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and a former Energy Department weapons expert, told the Times. To the average US citizen, it would be accurate to say we have restarted the production of nuclear weapons. Ivan Safranchuk, a Moscow-based researcher for the Center for Defense Information in Washington, said by telephone that it would be senseless militarily for the United States to improve its nuclear warhead arsenal, which is excessive anyway and is supposed to be reduced. Makhijani said US policy is a provocation to proliferation because it raises the question that if the most powerful country in the world by far, in conventional, or non-nuclear terms, still needs to build more nuclear weapons, what about everybody else? It is a dangerous policy because the United States and Russia continue to have between them about 4,000 nuclear weapons that can be fired in a few minutes. All content on this site is 2003 by Repbulicons.org, unless otherwise noted. Please review our privacy policy and terms of use before continuing to use this site. Technical comments should be made to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Han Tacoma ~ Artificial Intelligence is better than none! ~ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update ...um Dor-hinuf's
Vilyem Teighlore wrote: Yesterday I had just emailed off to our good Dr. Brin the idea that hoons could tell the sex of an unborn child from the sounds that it makes while still in the womb. That or a hoon's unble is so strong that they can do their own type of ultrasound scan. Hmm, interesting concept... this could tie in to an alien character I created for Champions... At a hoonish birth, a chorus of midwives all umble Come on out and greet the world. on-topic I'm near the end of Greg Bear's _Darwin's Radio_, and without being too spoilerish, there's a character that swears her unborn child can hear it's father singing it to sleep. /on-topic Reggie Bautista It's A Nice Thought Maru _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
If a Picture is Worth One Thousand Words, This Mountain Stores Lotsof Words
From my Inbox: The Bettman Archive used to reside in downtown Manhattan. It is now under a mountain in western Pennsylvania in a very cold vault owned by a Bill Gates Company named Corbis. This very extensive article in the Washington Post will be of great interest to any who are involved with history, photography, historic picture archives and the like. Any new to the problem of photograph degredation with heat and time, will also gain useful knowledge from this article about the dangers lurking for print photograph collections and find cause for improvement in preservation facilities or in funding and implementation of digitization projects for valuable photograph collections. Buried Treasure Why has Bill Gates stashed millions of the greatest images of the 20th century under a mountain in Pennsylvania? By Mary Battiata Sunday, May 18, 2003; Page W14 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57798-2003May15.html The vault is the only privately owned, subzero underground vault in the country, and probably the world. It is the coldest, and, it's fair to say, the most controversial. Until the photographs were moved here in a caravan of 18 refrigerated vans in 2001, most of them had been stored for decades in a series of creaky office buildings on lower Broadway in Manhattan. And there they might have stayed, except for one problem. The pictures were dying. Deteriorating rapidly and dramatically -- buckling, fading, mottling, fairly shrieking for help, like the wicked witch in the Wizard of Oz. It was obvious to anyone who came through the door that we had a problem, said one Bettmann photo researcher. The whole place smelled like vinegar. The Bettmann was not the only photography archive so afflicted. In fact, it was only the tip of an ugly iceberg. Over the past 20 years, photography archivists and preservationists have discovered, to their consternation and dismay, that huge swaths of the pictures taken during the past 100 years -- the century of photography -- are disintegrating, undergoing a spontaneous chemical decomposition that will, if left unchecked, render most of them unintelligible and unusable within the next 20 to 50 years. -- The full article may be read at the URL above. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Right now, we're just realizing that there's a ton of logistical stuff that we were all set for with just 1, having saved pretty much everything from Sammy's infancy, but now with 2 babies, it'll be a different ballgame. (At least we have mothers and friends who will be more than happy to help out with most of the wardrobe issues) Debbi replied: Don't overlook garage sales! I've found quite a lot of essentially new (sometimes still-original-price-tagged) baby/toddler clothing at garage sales in 'better neighborhoods.' As well as other supplies. And of course, there's always your wish list at Amazon.com (not promising anything, but I'm sure there might be a list member or two who might pitch in, and Amazon does have a Toys-R-Us/Babies-R-Us section...) Reggie Bautista Hint Hint Maru _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update
Reggie Bautista wrote: Julia wrote: I had my first (but not my last) ultrasound exam with this pregnancy. Both twin girls are fine so far. Their parents, on the other hand, are in a bit of shock at the news. Double your pleasure, double your fun... (You're probably already sick of hearing that one, sorry) Actually, you're the first to pull it on me. You won't be the last, I'm sure. :) Congrats and best of luck! Thank you! Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update
Damon wrote: Um, unprotected sex around the time of ovulation? But maybe 2 eggs were released? (We don't know if they're identical or fraternal, but fraternal hasn't been ruled out.) I've personally concluded that this is some mad cloning experiment! ;) Could be. Although *we* sure as heck didn't intend it to be that way I think Dan went to Beta and Omega today. The question now is, is Beta the one on my left or on my right? (They're side by side. The one on my left is a bit bigger. Oh, and they'll be monitoring that -- ultrasound every month!) I think calling one Omega has some definite connotations behind it... We're going with Gamma for now. Beta is on my left, Gamma is on my right. And now I know I have two babies in there and where they are and I can talk about which one is moving around. (Right now, Gamma is somewhat active. She isn't as forceful as Beta, but that's to be expected, as she's a bit smaller.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Right now, we're just realizing that there's a ton of logistical stuff that we were all set for with just 1, having saved pretty much everything from Sammy's infancy, but now with 2 babies, it'll be a different ballgame. (At least we have mothers and friends who will be more than happy to help out with most of the wardrobe issues) Debbi wrote_ Don't overlook garage sales! I've found quite a lot of essentially new (sometimes still-original-price-tagged) baby/toddler clothing at garage sales in 'better neighborhoods.' As well as other supplies. My sister has twins (boys) and groups things together intermittently for e-bay (at one point I think it was 48ish various size baby bottles, etc). She does the same thing with clothes (buying and selling) based on various age range. She also had a good time on several list serves (IIRC, specific to twins and multiple births). This gave her a bit of a head start on reading other twin/triplet parent situations for feeding/sleeping arrangements, etc. She has a few people she still emails intermittently and has had several rotating coupon clipping groups (put the ones you don't use in the envelope and take the ones you do use and pass it on). Let me know if you would like any of the list serve info and I will hunt it down, Dee ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update ...um Dor-hinuf's
Reggie Bautista wrote: Vilyem Teighlore wrote: Yesterday I had just emailed off to our good Dr. Brin the idea that hoons could tell the sex of an unborn child from the sounds that it makes while still in the womb. That or a hoon's unble is so strong that they can do their own type of ultrasound scan. Hmm, interesting concept... this could tie in to an alien character I created for Champions... I like the idea of ultrasound without electronic equipment. Some dolphins in one of Anne McCaffrey's Pern books did that at some point. I like the idea of hoons using it. At a hoonish birth, a chorus of midwives all umble Come on out and greet the world. That is such a lovely way to come into the world! on-topic I'm near the end of Greg Bear's _Darwin's Radio_, and without being too spoilerish, there's a character that swears her unborn child can hear it's father singing it to sleep. /on-topic _Darwin's Radio_ is not something that I would recommend to anyone planning on becoming pregnant anytime soon, nor to any woman in the first trimester of pregnancy. Other than that, if you're interested, read it. Julia who missed a Greg Bear signing in Austin earlier this month, sigh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: An aircar in every garage
Julia wrote- who would have *liked* for the car to take over at some point this afternoon, actually As time constraints get tighter and tighter, a self directed vehicle would sure make my life a bit nicer. At a minimum I could get more reading done (I may eat, talk on the phone, etc but never read while driving). Imagine how many commuters could have a bit more time Dee ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update
Julia, My heartfelt congratulations. I'm going to have to talk to my daughters-in-law to see if they can pull one of those off -- I'd love to become Opa to twins, specially girls! Best -- Han Tacoma ~ Artificial Intelligence is better than none! ~ - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:51 PM Subject: Pregnancy update I had my first (but not my last) ultrasound exam with this pregnancy. Both twin girls are fine so far. Their parents, on the other hand, are in a bit of shock at the news. And their big brother doesn't quite understand what's going on, but was interested in things in the room where the ultrasound was done. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED: Congress passes Citizenship RedefinitionAndIncome-Based Relocation Act of 2003
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Americans' reactions to the new laws were mixed. I know everyone's talking about the Nets these days, but the Mavs are still the team to beat, said Plano, TX, resident Doug Abbott, whose vegetable-wholesaling business is slated to be annexed by the newly created Federal Reacquisition Corps. I'm sorry, but you're not winning an NBA championship with Jason Collins at center. They'll easily get past the Pistons, but come Finals time, [Dirk] Nowitzki's gonna eat him alive. Nowitzki's not eating anyone, alive or dead, on the court tonight -- sidelined with a knee injury. With him gone, the Spurs are looking to take it in Game 5. No waythis is the Nets' year, said James Cimini of Hackensack, NJ. With the Lakers out of the picture, it's New Jersey's time to shine. Whether it's the Spurs or the Mavs, neither team can contain K-Mart, Mr. Kenyon Martin. This postseason, he's moved up from being merely a very good forward to one of the league's elite players. I'm hoping for the Spurs, myself. In a nationally televised address before an estimated audience of 150, President Bush praised the Citizenship Redefinition And Income-Based Relocation Act. The swift passage of this very important law proves what I have always believed: that government works best when spared the constant carping and criticism of naysayers, Bush said. I am proud of all the senators, representatives, regional overseers, and metropolitan sub-commanders who worked so hard to make this law a reality. Almost as proud as San Antonio is of its Spurs. Here's something that's bothering me: which team is W rooting for tonight? http://www.theonion.com/onion3920/terrifying_bill_passed.html I love The Onion Julia Go Spurs! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: An aircar in every garage
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julia wrote- who would have *liked* for the car to take over at some point this afternoon, actually As time constraints get tighter and tighter, a self directed vehicle would sure make my life a bit nicer. At a minimum I could get more reading done (I may eat, talk on the phone, etc but never read while driving). Imagine how many commuters could have a bit more time That would be lovely. It also would have been lovely not to have to drive the last 10 miles as tired as I was, which was the big sticking point. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update
Han Tacoma wrote: Julia, My heartfelt congratulations. I'm going to have to talk to my daughters-in-law to see if they can pull one of those off -- I'd love to become Opa to twins, specially girls! Thank you. Just realized that while my mother-in-law was the last of the 5 siblings there to have grandchildren, she'll be the second to have *twin* grandchildren -- and the other three aren't so likely to have that happen at this point. :) Dan has, of course, already e-mailed the cousin who is a father to twins. If one of your daughters-in-law finds herself in a similar situation, let me know. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Pregnancy update Damon wrote: Um, unprotected sex around the time of ovulation? But maybe 2 eggs were released? (We don't know if they're identical or fraternal, but fraternal hasn't been ruled out.) I've personally concluded that this is some mad cloning experiment! ;) Could be. Although *we* sure as heck didn't intend it to be that way I think Dan went to Beta and Omega today. The question now is, is Beta the one on my left or on my right? (They're side by side. The one on my left is a bit bigger. Oh, and they'll be monitoring that -- ultrasound every month!) I think calling one Omega has some definite connotations behind it... We're going with Gamma for now. Beta is on my left, Gamma is on my right. And now I know I have two babies in there and where they are and I can talk about which one is moving around. (Right now, Gamma is somewhat active. She isn't as forceful as Beta, but that's to be expected, as she's a bit smaller.) What happened to Delta? Isn't that the third letter? xponent Its All Greek To All Of Us But Especially To Me Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update
At 08:28 PM 5/27/03 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Pregnancy update Damon wrote: Um, unprotected sex around the time of ovulation? But maybe 2 eggs were released? (We don't know if they're identical or fraternal, but fraternal hasn't been ruled out.) I've personally concluded that this is some mad cloning experiment! ;) Could be. Although *we* sure as heck didn't intend it to be that way I think Dan went to Beta and Omega today. The question now is, is Beta the one on my left or on my right? (They're side by side. The one on my left is a bit bigger. Oh, and they'll be monitoring that -- ultrasound every month!) I think calling one Omega has some definite connotations behind it... We're going with Gamma for now. Beta is on my left, Gamma is on my right. And now I know I have two babies in there and where they are and I can talk about which one is moving around. (Right now, Gamma is somewhat active. She isn't as forceful as Beta, but that's to be expected, as she's a bit smaller.) What happened to Delta? Isn't that the third letter? Um, no. http://www.physlink.com/Reference/GreekAlphabet.cfm -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Pregnancy update Han Tacoma wrote: Julia, My heartfelt congratulations. I'm going to have to talk to my daughters-in-law to see if they can pull one of those off -- I'd love to become Opa to twins, specially girls! Thank you. Just realized that while my mother-in-law was the last of the 5 siblings there to have grandchildren, she'll be the second to have *twin* grandchildren -- and the other three aren't so likely to have that happen at this point. :) Dan has, of course, already e-mailed the cousin who is a father to twins. If one of your daughters-in-law finds herself in a similar situation, let me know. A co-worker of mine was the father of one son when his wife became pregnant the second time. When they did the initial ultrasound the tech said congratulations, you have twins..oh waitthere's three of them..Jesus...four of them!!! His poor wife had to be sewn shut just to make it successfully to term, with bed confinement and all the hassles *that* entails. Things went well otherwise I'm happy to say, and he and his son are now outnumbered by his wife and four daughters. In any case, congratulations on your new found fertility Julia, and I hope things go smoothly for you! G xponent Parenthood Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Pregnancy update
Twins?!?!?!? Holy moly! Congratulations! Wowsers, are you going to have your hands full. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update ...um Dor-hinuf's
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:54 PM Subject: Re: Pregnancy update ...um Dor-hinuf's In a message dated 5/27/2003 5:32:09 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: on-topic I'm near the end of Greg Bear's _Darwin's Radio_, and without being too spoilerish, there's a character that swears her unborn child can hear it's father singing it to sleep. /on-topic Reggie Bautista It's A Nice Thought Maru So said our good Dr. Brin. I have not gottern to _Darwin's Radio_ yet. I do remember the shortstory where the unborn baby has to go . This idea all started with the conviction that Alvin had to publish before his daughter's birth. But not his journal. He wanted to give her the stars, and had to publish a book of constellations. Hurmuphta had nome. The day my son was born, he reacted to my voice and my wife's voice, but not to anyone else's. It was quite shocking when it happened, and that standard look of shock and recognition on his face when he heard our voices caught everyone by surprise. Up to that point I had thought her insistence that I talk to her swollen belly every night, beyond ridiculous. But I must admit that she might have been correct all along. xponent His Fathers Voice Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: uranium
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3050317.stm Afghans' uranium levels spark alert By Alex Kirby A small sample of Afghan civilians have shown astonishing levels of uranium in their urine, an independent scientist says. Critics suspect new weapons were used in Afghanistan He said they had the same symptoms as some veterans of the 1991 Gulf war. But he found no trace of the depleted uranium (DU) some scientists believe is implicated in Gulf War syndrome. Other researchers suggest new types of radioactive weapons may have been used in Afghanistan. The scientist is Dr Asaf Durakovic, of the Uranium Medical Research Center (UMRC), based in Canada... snipped rest of article I think I recall an article someone posted about cancer and proximity to a former USSR nuclear test site, but I couldn't find it; I did find articles in PubMed about it (although quite a few have No Abstract Available). Here's one; if you want more abstracts, just click on _Related Articles_ at the upper right, and many should link: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_uids=7960215dopt=Abstract ...Rates of childhood cancer between 1981 and 1990 in the 4 administrative zones of Kazakhstan were studied to assess the relationship, if any, with distance from nuclear testing sites...Risk of acute leukaemia rose significantly with increasing proximity of residence to the testing areas, although the absolute value of the risk gradient was relatively small...There was also some evidence of increased risk of brain tumours in association with proximity to the test sites. [Although that data is much less hard; thyroid cancer also seems to be increased in the population exposed at a young age. - DH] I was wondering if there might be groundwater contamination from these sites, but by this map Semey -as it is now called - in the north-east corner, seems pretty far from Afghanistan (about 1100 miles from the northern border by my guesstimate). I didn't see any big river connecting from Semey either. http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/commonwealth/kazakhstan_rel94.jpg As for closer tests, according to this site, 496 tests were conducted in Kazakhstan, with just 2 in Uzbekistan, and 1 in Turkmenistan (and 2 in Pakistan): http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/bomb/maps/ I wonder if the Soviets used some type of earth-penetrating nukes in Afghanistan...but wouldn't that have shown up on one of our monitoring sites? Or would these new types, presumably of a much lower yield, trigger these monitors? mind descends into crazy conspiracy theories...urp! This is an article I found on earth-penetrating nuclear weapons, which are apparently in the defense budget (research): http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/nuclear_weapons/page.cfm?pageID=777 ...The depth at which even a small nuclear weapon must be buried to ensure that it is contained that is, that no radiation is released when it explodesis much greater than the achievable penetration depth, so that it is impossible to prevent radioactive fallout from a nuclear EPW... Debbi Jury's Still Out Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Pregnancy update ...um Dor-hinuf's
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julia Thompson Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:49 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Pregnancy update ...um Dor-hinuf's Reggie Bautista wrote: Vilyem Teighlore wrote: snippage on-topic I'm near the end of Greg Bear's _Darwin's Radio_, and without being too spoilerish, there's a character that swears her unborn child can hear it's father singing it to sleep. /on-topic Topic? We don' need no stinkin' topic!! :-) _Darwin's Radio_ is not something that I would recommend to anyone planning on becoming pregnant anytime soon, nor to any woman in the first trimester of pregnancy. Other than that, if you're interested, read it. Or, if you're a biologist trying to avoid pseudoscience masquerading as the real thing you might want to avoid it altogether. The man writes decent science fiction, but apparently knows nothing about mutation and genetics. Didn't we beat that point into the ground a few months ago? Jon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Pregnancy update
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronn!Blankenship Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:43 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Pregnancy update At 08:28 PM 5/27/03 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Pregnancy update Damon wrote: Um, unprotected sex around the time of ovulation? But maybe 2 eggs were released? (We don't know if they're identical or fraternal, but fraternal hasn't been ruled out.) I've personally concluded that this is some mad cloning experiment! ;) Could be. Although *we* sure as heck didn't intend it to be that way I think Dan went to Beta and Omega today. The question now is, is Beta the one on my left or on my right? (They're side by side. The one on my left is a bit bigger. Oh, and they'll be monitoring that -- ultrasound every month!) I think calling one Omega has some definite connotations behind it... We're going with Gamma for now. Beta is on my left, Gamma is on my right. And now I know I have two babies in there and where they are and I can talk about which one is moving around. (Right now, Gamma is somewhat active. She isn't as forceful as Beta, but that's to be expected, as she's a bit smaller.) What happened to Delta? Isn't that the third letter? Um, no. http://www.physlink.com/Reference/GreekAlphabet.cfm Even if it were, think of the potential for bad delta jokes: physics jokes, military jokes, dental jokes or plain jokes about planes. Apropos of nothing, I once took a paddleboat ride on a boat named the Delta Queen :) Jon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update ...um Dor-hinuf's
Robert Seeberger wrote: The day my son was born, he reacted to my voice and my wife's voice, but not to anyone else's. It was quite shocking when it happened, and that standard look of shock and recognition on his face when he heard our voices caught everyone by surprise. Up to that point I had thought her insistence that I talk to her swollen belly every night, beyond ridiculous. But I must admit that she might have been correct all along. In the last 2 or 3 months of my pregnancy with Sammy, it seemed that the doorbell rang quite often, and the dogs would charge to the door, barking. Miranda would sometimes bark *before* the doorbell rang, with absolutely no warning, causing me to almost jump out of my skin a number of times. :) After Sammy was born, the sudden bark of Miranda's would jolt everyone else -- but not him. Considering how often Miranda went off when he was sleeping, that was a blessing. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update ...and our good Dr's response.
In a message dated 5/27/2003 7:47:03 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At a hoonish birth, a chorus of midwives all umble Come on out and greet the world. That is such a lovely way to come into the world! Well, now the idea has to have official status; Julia likes it. She announced her ultrasound twin girl results the day after I emailed you. Funny how timing works sometimes. Yeeeow! What a gal! Tell Julia I think she's the greatest. And efficient, too! Please pass on our love and best wishes to the whole Brin-L crew... ...but especially our super-mom. david brin Did and done. William Taylor - Mozart eat yur heart out. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had my first (but not my last) ultrasound exam with this pregnancy. Both twin girls are fine so far. Their parents, on the other hand, are in a bit of shock at the news. And their big brother doesn't quite understand what's going on, but was interested in things in the room where the ultrasound was done. Congrats, Julia! That news must be both exciting and a maybe bit scary for you guys at the same time. Best of luck to you and Dan! -bryon _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
The Geek Test
The Geek Test: http://www.innergeek.us/geek.html I ranked: 44.3787% - Major Geek Jon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update ...um Dor-hinuf's
In a message dated 5/27/2003 7:20:32 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The day my son was born, he reacted to my voice and my wife's voice, but not to anyone else's. It was quite shocking when it happened, and that standard look of shock and recognition on his face when he heard our voices caught everyone by surprise. Up to that point I had thought her insistence that I talk to her swollen belly every night, beyond ridiculous. But I must admit that she might have been correct all along. xponent His Fathers Voice Maru rob It's interesting how long the obvious can hide in plain sight. When a single male's umble can shake the rafters, of course the umble has to be a part of the unborn child's experience. Our good Dr. Brin has set up plot points A B C and D. Sometimes E F and G prove themselves to be inevitable. Any other conclusion would violate the rules set up for A B C and D. Alvin has to publish a book on constellations or he wouldn't remain Alvin. Mudfoot has to stay with Alvin. The biggest trick any Tytlal could play would be to give a client race the gift of humor. And Huck'll bury Hoon dogma. William Taylor So it shall be written ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: The Geek Test
Jon Gabriel wrote: The Geek Test: http://www.innergeek.us/geek.html I ranked: 44.3787% - Major Geek 38.65878% - Major Geek I'd have scored higher if I treated my computer as more than just a toy, I think. And there should be more RPG questions. :-) Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Geek Test
Jon Gabriel wrote: The Geek Test: http://www.innergeek.us/geek.html I ranked: 44.3787% - Major Geek I just got 33.72781% - Total Geek Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Geek Test
- Original Message - From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:45 PM Subject: RE: The Geek Test Jon Gabriel wrote: The Geek Test: http://www.innergeek.us/geek.html I ranked: 44.3787% - Major Geek 38.65878% - Major Geek I only scored 13.80671% - Geekish Tendencies Dan M. BTW, more significant figures than precision is bad form. :-) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Geek Test
Jon Gabriel wrote: The Geek Test: http://www.innergeek.us/geek.html I ranked: 44.3787% - Major Geek Gosh, I was all embarassed as I went through it thinking it was going to be terrible, but only got 21% - Geek So - what IS the odd/even rule for Star Trek movies? Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Geek Test
Russell Chapman wrote: Jon Gabriel wrote: The Geek Test: http://www.innergeek.us/geek.html I ranked: 44.3787% - Major Geek Gosh, I was all embarassed as I went through it thinking it was going to be terrible, but only got 21% - Geek So - what IS the odd/even rule for Star Trek movies? The odd ones aren't terribly good, but the even ones *are* good. Julia who checked off *that* box, anyway ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Nukes found with reactor vessel woes-NRC
- Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 6:41 PM Subject: Re: Nukes found with reactor vessel woes-NRC - Original Message - From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 5:31 PM Subject: Re: Nukes found with reactor vessel woes-NRC Dan wrote: ... Given that excellent safety record, why are you singling out nuclear power? What not stop the construction of buildings, the driving of automobiles, the running of factories, etc? All have had a higher death rate than nuclear power. This issue of radioactive pollution--from nuclear testing fallout, from the routine emmissions of nuclear (commercial or military) reactors, from the billions of tons of uranium tailings left exposed at sites around the globe, from the massive amounts of low level and high level radioactive waste generated every year for decades from hundreds of commerical, military and research reactors around the globe--far from being the passe story the industry's PR hacks and media assets constantly present it as, is the number-one problem our children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great-grandchildren, ad infinitum, will have to deal with for at least the next 240,000 years. The damage to the integrity of the gene pool is still being assessed as well as increased. And all this has happened in less than the past fifty years. The challenge is paramount. Denial promises extinction of all our relations. http://www.ratical.org/radiation/inetSeries/RB89.html We haven't determined the effects (yet) of Depleted Uranium: In May, 1997, the International Action Center published a book of essays and lectures on depleted uranium: the contamination of the planet by the United States military. In addition to exposing the deadly duplicity of the Department of Defense, the book documents the genocide of Native Americans and Iraqis by military radiation, the connection between depleted uranium and Gulf War Syndrome, the underestimated dangers from low-level radiation, the legal ramifications of DU Production and Use, and the growing movement against DU. http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/mettoc.htm Reggie wrote: And that's coming from someone who's job is in the Texas Oil Patch. Dan replied: That's a fact, Jack. :-) ...and I'm not partial to nuclear alarmism, Oil is also a problem: Journey to the South American nation of Ecuador and you find pollution and misery on a scale that never would be tolerated in California, a state that guards its own majestic coastline from oil development and is home to some of the toughest environmental laws on Earth. Follow that oil as it leaves Ecuador and you find that between 20 and 40 million barrels a year flow to California, which consumes more gasoline - 38 million gallons a day - than Florida and New York combined. http://www.sacbee.com/static/live/news/projects/denial/c1_1.html Cheers! -- Han Tacoma ~ Artificial Intelligence is better than none! ~ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update ...um Dor-hinuf's
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip In the last 2 or 3 months of my pregnancy with Sammy, it seemed that the doorbell rang quite often, and the dogs would charge to the door, barking. Miranda would sometimes bark *before* the doorbell rang, with absolutely no warning, causing me to almost jump out of my skin a number of times. :) After Sammy was born, the sudden bark of Miranda's would jolt everyone else -- but not him. Considering how often Miranda went off when he was sleeping, that was a blessing. Ooh ooh! Habituation! You have your own tiny study of confirmation! (I'm not sure which is more noxious -- a car horn, or a loudly barking dog...) ;) Cool Human Tricks Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Geek Test
Russell Chapman wrote: So - what IS the odd/even rule for Star Trek movies? The odd-numbered movies suck, the even-numbered movies are good. To wit: Star Trek I, TPM - Not good. Star Trek III, TSfS - Not good Star Trek V, that which shall not be namd - Awful Star Trek VII, Generations - OK, not great. Star Trek II, TWoK - best of the lot, IMO Star Trek IV, TVH - Good stuff Star Trek VI, TUC - Good stuff The pattern doesn't hold up as well with the TNG movies, however. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Geek Test
Dan Minette wrote: BTW, more significant figures than precision is bad form. :-) OK - that there should count as 5 bonus ticks on the last question... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Geek Test
Jon Gabriel wrote: The Geek Test: http://www.innergeek.us/geek.html I ranked: 44.3787% - Major Geek I ranked: 28.99408% - Total Geek __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages .. http://www.brin-l.org Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Geek Test
19.32939% - Geek More heavily SCA than I would have expected. And geeks have to have cable and DVDs. Not a VCR. William Taylor - They left out how many non samurai or Godzilla Japanese films you own or have rented. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: The Geek Test
From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jon Gabriel wrote: The Geek Test: http://www.innergeek.us/geek.html I ranked: 44.3787% - Major Geek 38.65878% - Major Geek I'd have scored higher if I treated my computer as more than just a toy, I think. And there should be more RPG questions. :-) Funny, I scored the same exact value: 38.65878. I'm surprised I scored as high as I did, as I consider myself not nearly as geeky as I used to be (the horror!) _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Pregnancy update ...um Dor-hinuf's
In a message dated 5/27/2003 8:58:59 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Other forms of prenatal learning (habituation, classical conditioning) have been demonstrated in small studies with frogs, ducks, rats and humans (one guy used a car horn as the noxious stimulus!). Debbi who bets that the mother cat's umble-equivalent is recognized by her newborn kittens ;) And 40 years ago... http://raymondscott.com/SSFB.htm First 3 paragraphs... Despite its title, Soothing Sounds for Baby isn't just for infants. When it was recorded by composer / electronic music pioneer Raymond Scott, it was intended for babies -- but history has endowed this deceptively simple work with a broader significance. Had Scott known that this elemental music's appeal would continue as its target audience grew up, he might have entitled the series Sophisticated Sounds for Baby. - - Released on three long-playing records in conjunction with the Gesell Institute of Child Development, Inc., Soothing Sounds... was intended to serve as an aural toy during the feeding, teething, play, sleep and fretful periods of infants in three distinct age groups. The original album notes stressed that a young child's sense of hearing is better developed than many people realize. Besides soothing infants, these recordings were intended to be pleasantly stimulating. Babies like new sights and new sounds, explained a booklet slipped inside the LPs. Music consists of vibrations, which babies also like -- just vibrate baby's bed gently, the booklet noted, and crying often stops. By approximating the rhythmic tinkle of a music box and a ticking watch held close to [the] ear, Soothing Sounds for Baby provided a quieting atmosphere of relaxation, warmth, and contentment. - Highly collectable if you ever find the records at a yard sale, Debbi. From the man who gave you the best music for Warner Brothers cartoons. William Taylor -- Powerhouse rules! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Nukes found with reactor vessel woes-NRC
- Original Message - From: Han Tacoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:02 PM Subject: Re: Nukes found with reactor vessel woes-NRC - Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 6:41 PM Subject: Re: Nukes found with reactor vessel woes-NRC - Original Message - From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 5:31 PM Subject: Re: Nukes found with reactor vessel woes-NRC Dan wrote: ... Given that excellent safety record, why are you singling out nuclear power? What not stop the construction of buildings, the driving of automobiles, the running of factories, etc? All have had a higher death rate than nuclear power. This issue of radioactive pollution--from nuclear testing fallout, from the routine emmissions of nuclear (commercial or military) reactors, from the billions of tons of uranium tailings left exposed at sites around the globe, from the massive amounts of low level and high level radioactive waste generated every year for decades from hundreds of commerical, military and research reactors around the globe--far from being the passe story the industry's PR hacks and media assets constantly present it as, is the number-one problem our children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great-grandchildren, ad infinitum, will have to deal with for at least the next 240,000 years. The damage to the integrity of the gene pool is still being assessed as well as increased. One quick question before I respond. You don't eat bannanas, do you? Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Geek Test
--- Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Geek Test: http://www.innergeek.us/geek.html I ranked: 44.3787% - Major Geek Even with the bonus female points, I'm just a Geek (24.something %)... ;) This one gets forwarded to some probably Geek friends! I Particularly Liked The Semi-serious Yoda Quote Question Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Nukes found with reactor vessel woes-NRC
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Minette Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:40 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Nukes found with reactor vessel woes-NRC - Original Message - From: Han Tacoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:02 PM Subject: Re: Nukes found with reactor vessel woes-NRC - Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 6:41 PM Subject: Re: Nukes found with reactor vessel woes-NRC - Original Message - From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 5:31 PM Subject: Re: Nukes found with reactor vessel woes-NRC Dan wrote: ... Given that excellent safety record, why are you singling out nuclear power? What not stop the construction of buildings, the driving of automobiles, the running of factories, etc? All have had a higher death rate than nuclear power. This issue of radioactive pollution--from nuclear testing fallout, from the routine emmissions of nuclear (commercial or military) reactors, from the billions of tons of uranium tailings left exposed at sites around the globe, from the massive amounts of low level and high level radioactive waste generated every year for decades from hundreds of commerical, military and research reactors around the globe--far from being the passe story the industry's PR hacks and media assets constantly present it as, is the number-one problem our children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great-grandchildren, ad infinitum, will have to deal with for at least the next 240,000 years. The damage to the integrity of the gene pool is still being assessed as well as increased. One quick question before I respond. You don't eat bannanas, do you? *snort* Jon I remember that article Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED: Artificial black holes: on the threshold of newphysics
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0523/p25s02-stss.html Artificial black holes: on the threshold of new physics snip But wait, I hear you say, Has anyone considered that creating artificial black holes might not be the best idea? The idea of creating black holes in the laboratory has to give one pause. I mean, how can anyone resist the urge to imagine future headlines like Artificial Black Hole Escapes Laboratory, Eats Chicago or some such thing? In reality, there is no risk posed by creating artificial black holes, at least not in the manner planned with the LHC. The black holes produced at CERN will be millions of times smaller than the nucleus of an atom; too small to swallow much of anything. And they'll only live for a tiny fraction of a second, too short a time to swallow anything around them even if they wanted to. Shshsure...that's what they thought in _Earth_! (My copy *still* hasn't been returned, darnit!) So, when do we get point singularity drive? ;) Compressed Looking-Glass Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: The Geek Test
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Julia Thompson Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:00 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: The Geek Test Jon Gabriel wrote: The Geek Test: http://www.innergeek.us/geek.html I ranked: 44.3787% - Major Geek I just got 33.72781% - Total Geek 32.1499% - Total Geek over here. The list is in safe hands. Twins -- wheee! Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
