Re: Getting the value or innerHTML of an FCKEditor field using DO M

2006-12-29 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Thu Dec 28 19:29:03 2006
Subject: Getting the value or innerHTML of an FCKEditor field using DOM

I thought this would be fairly straightforward but it appears to be causing
me some distress. I need to get the value of an FCKEditor field for
transmission using AJAX. However, when I reference the fields ID, I get a
blank result when there is definitely content in it. Can someone shed some
light on this for me? Below is the HTML that is generated when I instantiate
the FCKEditor.

div
input type=hidden id=art_article name=art_article value=
style=display:none /
input type=hidden id=art_article___Config value= style=display:none
/
iframe id=art_article___Frame
src=/admin/includes/fckeditor/editor/fckeditor.html?InstanceName=art_articl
eamp;Toolbar=SmallSet width=100% height=250 frameborder=no
scrolling=no/iframe
/div

Any ideas?

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Re: multiple items with qty in form problem

2006-12-29 Thread James Holmes
What are the hidden inputs for?

Anyway, since you have these:

input name=quant_#getItems.xref_inv_id# type=text
id=quant=#getItems.xref_inv_id# value=0 size=4

you can loop through them to get each value:

cfloop collection=#FORM# item=CurrentFormField
cfif CurrentFormField contains quant_
!---
FORM[CurrentFormField] has the value from the form post
and the XRefInvID is in the name of the element
We can use ListLast() to get that ID id if the ID has no underscores in it
---
cfset ThisXrefInvID = ListLast(CurrentFormField,_)
!---
make the next var something based on ThisXrefInvID,
maybe a struct  - I'll leave this up to you
---
cfset SomeVariableOrArrayHere = FORM[CurrentFormField]
/cfloop


On 12/29/06, Gerald Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,
 We need a form that is a bit different from the examples I've been able to 
 find so far. I am querying the db to get a list of all the products for this 
 page and I want it to look like this to the consumer (some numbers are same 
 for first 4 digits but then change for different size):

 4353-H5 - 6-8-10-12-14   Quantity __
 4353-P5 - 12-14-16-18-20 Quantity __
 4354-A - ALL-SIZES   Quantity __
 4355-AA - XS-S-M Quantity __
 4355-BB - M-L-XL Quantity __
 4356-H5 - 6-8-10-12-14   Quantity __
  etc, etc,
 Submit   Reset

 The idea is that we want to present a list of 50 or so items to choose from 
 and have the consumer enter ALL quantities at the same time and hit the 
 SUBMIT button once.  The consumer in most all cases will choose 20 to 30 
 items from the page and want to have quantities for each up to 99.

 Here's my code for presentation of the items but I don't really know how to 
 make the action page write each item separately with it's own quantity to an 
 array or SESSION.CART.  In this version I am using the xref_inv_id which is a 
 number such as 1857, 1858, etc.

 form name=form method=post action=formDump.cfm
 cfoutput query=getItems
   tr
 td
   #getItems.design#-#getItems.size_code#  -  #getItems.size_unit#
  /td
  td align=center
   input name=quant_#getItems.xref_inv_id# type=text 
 id=quant=#getItems.xref_inv_id# value=0 size=4
   input name=#getItems.xref_inv_id# type=hidden 
 id=#getItems.xref_inv_id# value=
  /td
   /tr

 /cfoutput
  tr
 td colspan=2
   input name=Submit type=submit class=buttons value=add to 
 cart
   input name=Clear type=reset class=buttons value=clear 
 numbers
 /td
 /tr
   /table
 /form

 If someone can enlighten me as to how I can write the non-zero quantities 
 chosen to an array that I can then display to the user on the next page as a 
 simple list I would appreciate it very much.  I also want to have a total of 
 the items in the end so that I can charge them $1.00 per item ordered.  So, 
 if a consumer orders 327 items they will see a total amount of $327.00.

 Regards and thanks, Jerry

 

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Re: CFC vs Customtag performance.

2006-12-29 Thread Dan Singerman
Woah there Johnny Storm - give a guy a chance to do an update.

Anyway - I have got to the bottom of things - it was the fact that I had debug 
turned on (although suppressed) that made the difference to the execution 
times. With debug now turned off I get:

inline execution = 29 milliseconds
include execution = 69 milliseconds
custom tag execution = 120 milliseconds
uninstantiated CFC tag execution = 1244 milliseconds
instantiated CFC tag execution = 56 milliseconds

Which is very acceptable.

I'll update the blog with my findings when I have time, but I didn't want to 
keep anyone waiting here ;-)

Cheers

Dan

 That is not his problem. I bet I know where his problem is but since 
 he is disinclined to share his code and configuration to debug it I am 
 disinclined to share the solution. 
 
 If you post incomplete questions, you get incomplete answers.
 
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Re: CFC vs Customtag performance.

2006-12-29 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Dan Singerman wrote:
 Woah there Johnny Storm - give a guy a chance to do an update.

When you post a question to a high volume mailinglist, you make sure that the 
next few hours you are available to provide follow-up. You don't go off and do 
something else while other people work on your problem. It is a simple matter 
of mailinglist etiquette.


 Anyway - I have got to the bottom of things - it was the fact that I 
 had debug turned on (although suppressed) that made the difference to 
 the execution times. With debug now turned off I get:
 
 inline execution = 29 milliseconds
 include execution = 69 milliseconds
 custom tag execution = 120 milliseconds
 uninstantiated CFC tag execution = 1244 milliseconds
 instantiated CFC tag execution = 56 milliseconds

While debugging is indeed the problem I was referring to, I don't think this is 
the bottom.

First, you need to run many more iterations, these timings are well within the 
range where the resolution of getTickCount() has nasty side-effects.

Second, the following code has a problem:
cfset testString =  testString   and another thing
With each iteration the string will get longer and the append operation will 
start to dominate your execution time. You are not measuring the time it takes 
to call a CFC versus the time it takes to call a customtag, but you are 
measuring some large append and a little bit off noise. So you need to reset 
testString every X iterations or even better, make a no-op from this append.

Third, if you are using types in your cfarguments, the CFC is doing more then 
the other versions because it does type checking. You would need an 
IsSimpleValue() call in all the other code to emulate this (CF doesn't have an 
IsString()), or remove the types in your cfarguments.

You will see some very different timings if you do this.

Jochem

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RE: Simple source control

2006-12-29 Thread Hugo Ahlenius
Claude,

Even though you don't see the benefits of using full, concurrent,
version control, maybe you should consider the the combined wisdom of
developers through-out the ages (please study the evolution of version
control from rcs and the like up to svn, through cvs, and further -
arch, svk etc), and the suggestions and comments you are getting here on
the list... ?

Even if you don't see the need for SVN now, it would be a good
investement in yourself and you developers for the future.

Anyways - before I started using CVS (and later SVN), I experimented
with a source control system based on CVS predecessor - CS-RCS. This is
a non-concurrent (i.e. no merging) revision control system, based on the
ancient RCS. It is a long time since I played with it, but you might
want to give it a shot.
http://www.componentsoftware.com/csrcs/

:)

/Hugo


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RE: Query Problem

2006-12-29 Thread Bruce Sorge
OK, so I did not quite understand what I was doing. I thought that I was
setting 100 cells, and the year range from 1920 - 2020 was 100 years; you
see where I was going. 
So, then do I put 1920 in there then? I tried 2020 and of course it crated
2020 rows which sucked.

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Query Problem

You have a query with 100 rows and you are trying to set a cell in row
1920. 1920 is greater than 100.

On 12/29/06, Bruce Sorge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello.
 I have these three queries that I am creating below. The first two work
 great, but the third one gives me the following error:

 The row number, (1920) is out of bound. This is happening on line 48 which
 is this one:

 cfset temp = QuerySetCell(yearQuery, year_num,
#yearnumber[year_number]#,
 #year_number#)


 What is wrong with it? Seems to me it should work.


 cfset monthQuery = QueryNew(Month_Number, Month_Name, Integer,
 varchar)

 cfset newRow = QueryAddRow(monthQuery, 12)

 cfloop index=loopcount from=1 to=12
 cfset months[loopcount]=MonthAsString(loopcount)
cfset monthNumber[loopcount] = loopcount
cfset temp = QuerySetCell(monthQuery, Month_Number,
 #monthNumber[loopcount]#, #loopcount#)
 cfset temp = QuerySetCell(monthQuery, Month_Name, #months[loopcount]#,
 #loopcount#)
 /cfloop


 cfset dayQuery = QueryNew(Day_Number, Integer)

 cfset newRow = QueryAddRow(dayQuery, 31)

 cfloop index=loopcount from=1 to=31
 cfset dayNumber[loopcount] = loopcount
 cfset temp = QuerySetCell(dayQuery, Day_Number,
 #dayNumber[loopcount]#, #loopcount#)
 /cfloop


 cfset yearQuery = QueryNew(year_num, Integer)

 cfset newRow = QueryAddRow(yearQuery, 100)

 cfloop index=year_number from=1920 to=2020
 cfset yearnumber[year_number] = year_number
 cfset temp = QuerySetCell(yearQuery, year_num,
 #yearnumber[year_number]#, #year_number#)
 /cfloop

 Thanks,

 Bruce Sorge


 



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RE: Javascript and Dynamic CF Forms

2006-12-29 Thread Che Vilnonis
Thanks. Works now. If I wasn't in such a rush, I would have saw the quotes
myself. 

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From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 5:26 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Javascript and Dynamic CF Forms


sorry.  my bad.

remove the quotes from the 'this.options[this.selectedIndex].value'

i was having you pass that literal string :\

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 Hmmm. Not working... Does selOpt need another name, dynamic name?

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Re: Query Problem

2006-12-29 Thread James Holmes
OK, so you have this:

cfset yearQuery = QueryNew(year_num, Integer)
cfset newRow = QueryAddRow(yearQuery, 100)
cfloop index=year_number from=1920 to=2020
cfset yearnumber[year_number] = year_number
cfset temp = 
QuerySetCell(yearQuery,year_num,#yearnumber[year_number]#,#year_number#)
/cfloop

Based on what you are doing with the other queries and what I think
you are trying to do, this will work:

cfset yearQuery = QueryNew(year_num, Integer)
cfset newRow = QueryAddRow(yearQuery, 100)
cfset YearOffset = 1919
cfloop index=year_number from=1 to=100
cfset yearnumber[year_number + YearOffset] = year_number + YearOffset 
cfset temp = QuerySetCell(yearQuery,year_num,yearnumber[year_number
+ YearOffset],year_number)
/cfloop

I got rid of unnecessary # signs too. Why you have a struct of years
containing the same data as the struct's key I don't know, but this
will give you the result you were after.

On 12/29/06, Bruce Sorge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 OK, so I did not quite understand what I was doing. I thought that I was
 setting 100 cells, and the year range from 1920 - 2020 was 100 years; you
 see where I was going.
 So, then do I put 1920 in there then? I tried 2020 and of course it crated
 2020 rows which sucked.

 Thanks

 -Original Message-
 From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:51 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Query Problem

 You have a query with 100 rows and you are trying to set a cell in row
 1920. 1920 is greater than 100.

 On 12/29/06, Bruce Sorge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello.
  I have these three queries that I am creating below. The first two work
  great, but the third one gives me the following error:
 
  The row number, (1920) is out of bound. This is happening on line 48 which
  is this one:
 
  cfset temp = QuerySetCell(yearQuery, year_num,
 #yearnumber[year_number]#,
  #year_number#)
 
 
  What is wrong with it? Seems to me it should work.
 
 
  cfset monthQuery = QueryNew(Month_Number, Month_Name, Integer,
  varchar)
 
  cfset newRow = QueryAddRow(monthQuery, 12)
 
  cfloop index=loopcount from=1 to=12
  cfset months[loopcount]=MonthAsString(loopcount)
 cfset monthNumber[loopcount] = loopcount
 cfset temp = QuerySetCell(monthQuery, Month_Number,
  #monthNumber[loopcount]#, #loopcount#)
  cfset temp = QuerySetCell(monthQuery, Month_Name, #months[loopcount]#,
  #loopcount#)
  /cfloop
 
 
  cfset dayQuery = QueryNew(Day_Number, Integer)
 
  cfset newRow = QueryAddRow(dayQuery, 31)
 
  cfloop index=loopcount from=1 to=31
  cfset dayNumber[loopcount] = loopcount
  cfset temp = QuerySetCell(dayQuery, Day_Number,
  #dayNumber[loopcount]#, #loopcount#)
  /cfloop
 
 
  cfset yearQuery = QueryNew(year_num, Integer)
 
  cfset newRow = QueryAddRow(yearQuery, 100)
 
  cfloop index=year_number from=1920 to=2020
  cfset yearnumber[year_number] = year_number
  cfset temp = QuerySetCell(yearQuery, year_num,
  #yearnumber[year_number]#, #year_number#)
  /cfloop
 
  Thanks,
 
  Bruce Sorge
 
 
 



 

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RE: cfqueryparam DECREASES performance?

2006-12-29 Thread Porter, Benjamin L.
CFQueryParam can indeed decrease performance. If you look at what
happens when you use CFQueryParam versus just passing in variables it
makes sense. CFQueryParam transforms any passed variables into bind
variables. In MSSQL it is the same as declaring a variable, setting it
and then using that in the query. IE

SELECT 
Id,
Description
FROMProduct
WHERE   ProductID = 2

VS (with query param )

DECLARE @P1 int
SET @P1 = 2

SELECT 
Id,
Description
FROMProduct
WHERE   ProductID = @P1

CF then uses a stored procedure spprepexec to try to force the dbms to
precompile the sql statement into an execution plan for faster execution
on subsequent calls. This is where you lose performance often. If your
database does not have enough memory to store all of the prepared
statements you will be essentially running the query 2x every time you
call it. Once to generate the execution plan once to actually run it.
The same thing happens if the query is not called often enough. IE in
the case of reports run infrequently. The database will clear the
execution plan for your query since it is not used often to make room
for other queries.  I would recommend writing a custom tag to replace
cfqueryparam when used with infrequent long running reports. A query
that takes 100 ms to run, is no big deal if it has to be recompiled once
and a while. A query that runs for 3 minutes can be a major problem if
it takes 2x as long 50% of the time. I wish Adobe would rewrite this
functionality to take an optional parameter to specify whether to use sp
prep exec.

I've attached a custom tag I wrote to replace cfqueryparam in these
cases. User beware it is not fully tested, and not as secure as
cfqueryparam.

-Original Message-
From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 1:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: cfqueryparam DECREASES performance?

OK, I must have something wrong here. I've only heard good things about
cfqueryparam on this list for both security and performance. A client
sent
me an ugly report that times out for them. I spent an hour going through
it
and applying cfqueryparams to each variable in the many queries with
appropriate datatypes. I threw a cfsetting tag in to increase the
request
timeout and the report runs in roughly about 512687 ms, restarted MSSQL
server and CFMX7, then with the cfqueryparams the same query that was
running in 5282ms in the old code, now takes 15094ms.

Any ideas?




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RE: cfqueryparam DECREASES performance?

2006-12-29 Thread Porter, Benjamin L.
Ok so you can't attach files.


cfsilent
cfparam name=attributes.value /
!--- type of bind variable value must equate to ---
cfparam name=attributes.cfsqltype default=CF_SQL_CHAR /
!--- length of string in value attribute ---
cfparam name=attributes.maxlength
default=#Len(attributes.value)# /
!--- Number of decimal places in parameter. Applies to
CF_SQL_NUMERIC and CF_SQL_DECIMAL ---
cfparam name=attributes.scale default=0 type=numeric
min=0 max=20 /
!--- whether to ignore the value passed in and send
null ---
cfparam name=attributes.null default=no /
!--- whether the value is a list or single item ---
cfparam name=attributes.list default=no /
!--- what seperator to use if using list ---
cfparam name=attributes.separator default=, /
!---
Before Changing anything in this custom tag run it against the
unit tests

* For these types, a data value can be converted to a numeric
value': CF_SQL_SMALLINT, CF_SQL_INTEGER, CF_SQL_REAL, CF_SQL_FLOAT,
CF_SQL_DOUBLE, CF_SQL_TINYINT, CF_SQL_MONEY, CF_SQL_MONEY4,
CF_SQL_DECIMAL, CF_SQL_NUMERIC, and CF_SQL_BIGINT
* For these types, a data value can be converted to a date supported
by the target data source': CF_SQL_DATE, CF_SQL_TIME, CF_SQL_TIMESTAMP
* For all other types, if the maxLength attribute is used, a data
value cannot exceed the maximum length specified.
param type  mssql equivilent
cf_sql_bigint   bigint
cf_sql_bit  bit
cf_sql_char char, nchar
cf_sql_date smalldatetime
cf_sql_decimal  numeric, decimal
cf_sql_double   double, float
cf_sql_floatdouble, float
cf_sql_idstamp  timestamp
cf_sql_integer  int
cf_sql_longvarchar  text
cf_sql_moneymoney
cf_sql_money4   smallmoney
cf_sql_numeric  numeric, decimal
cf_sql_real real
cf_sql_refcursorcursor
cf_sql_smallint smallint
cf_sql_time
cf_sql_timestampdatetime
cf_sql_tinyint  tinyint
cf_sql_varchar  varchar, nvarchar,uniqueidentifier
---
!--- stupid hack so you can use throw in cfscript ---
cffunction name=throw
cfargument name=detail type=string required=false /
cfargument name=message type=string required=false /
cfargument name=errorcode type=string required=false /
cfargument name=type type=string required=false /

 cfthrow detail=#arguments.detail#
message=#arguments.message# errorcode=#arguments.errorcode#
type=#arguments.type# /
/cffunction
!--- this custom tag is being written in cfscript in order to
speed processing time, since it is called very often on almost every
template ---
cfscript
// clear out any text in between start and end tags
thisTag.GeneratedContent = ;
// only execute this tag one time
if( thisTag.executionMode eq end OR NOT thisTag.HasEndTag) {
// variable to hold output string
Local.strQueryParameter = ;
// check that user does not want to return null
value
if(NOT attributes.null) {
// check maximum length
if(Len(attributes.value) GT
attributes.maxlength) {
throw(  message=The cause of this
output exception was that':
coldfusion.tagext.sql.CF_QueryParamTag$InvalidDataException': Invalid
data '#attributes.value#' value exceeds MAXLENGTH setting
#attributes.maxlength#., 
type=APPLICATION,
detail=, 
errorcode=0);
}

// what type of bind variable are we
passing
switch(attributes.cfsqltype) {

// integer types
case 'CF_SQL_INTEGER':
case 'CF_SQL_SMALLINT':
case 'CF_SQL_TINYINT':
case 'CF_SQL_BIGINT':

// if we are in a list
check each item in the list
for(Local.Iterator =
1;Local.Iterator LTE
ListLen(attributes.value,attributes.separator);Local.Iterator =
Local.Iterator + 1){
Local.CurItem =
ListGetAt(attributes.value,Local.Iterator,attributes.separator);
   

RE: Getting the value or innerHTML of an FCKEditor field using DO M

2006-12-29 Thread Porter, Benjamin L.
I ran into the same issue. This is used by a another window that is
opened and updates that field. You could probably modify it to work for
you.

function getEditorContent(instanceName) {
editor_frame =
opener.document.getElementById(instanceName+'___Frame');
editor_source =
editor_frame.contentWindow.document.getElementById('eEditorArea');
if (editor_source!=null) {
return
editor_source.contentWindow.document.body.innerHTML;
} else {
return '';
}
}

   function setEditorContent(instanceName,newContent) {
editor_frame =
opener.document.getElementById(instanceName+'___Frame');
editor_source =
editor_frame.contentWindow.document.getElementById('eEditorArea');
if (editor_source!=null) {

editor_source.contentWindow.document.body.innerHTML = newContent;
} else {
return '';
}
}

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Subject: Getting the value or innerHTML of an FCKEditor field using DOM

I thought this would be fairly straightforward but it appears to be
causing
me some distress. I need to get the value of an FCKEditor field for
transmission using AJAX. However, when I reference the fields ID, I get
a
blank result when there is definitely content in it. Can someone shed
some
light on this for me? Below is the HTML that is generated when I
instantiate
the FCKEditor.

div
input type=hidden id=art_article name=art_article value=
style=display:none /
input type=hidden id=art_article___Config value=
style=display:none
/
iframe id=art_article___Frame
src=/admin/includes/fckeditor/editor/fckeditor.html?InstanceName=art_ar
ticl
eamp;Toolbar=SmallSet width=100% height=250 frameborder=no
scrolling=no/iframe
/div

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RE: Getting the value or innerHTML of an FCKEditor field using DOM

2006-12-29 Thread Porter, Benjamin L.
I ran into the same issue. Here are a couple javascript functions used
by another window that is opened and updates that field. You could
probably modify it to work for you.

function getEditorContent(instanceName) {
editor_frame =
opener.document.getElementById(instanceName+'___Frame');
editor_source =
editor_frame.contentWindow.document.getElementById('eEditorArea');
if (editor_source!=null) {
return
editor_source.contentWindow.document.body.innerHTML;
} else {
return '';
}
}

   function setEditorContent(instanceName,newContent) {
editor_frame =
opener.document.getElementById(instanceName+'___Frame');
editor_source =
editor_frame.contentWindow.document.getElementById('eEditorArea');
if (editor_source!=null) {

editor_source.contentWindow.document.body.innerHTML = newContent;
} else {
return '';
}
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RE: Getting the value or innerHTML of an FCKEditor field using DO M

2006-12-29 Thread Andy Matthews
Good thoughtI haven't checked it.

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To: CF-Talk
Sent: Thu Dec 28 19:29:03 2006
Subject: Getting the value or innerHTML of an FCKEditor field using DOM

I thought this would be fairly straightforward but it appears to be causing
me some distress. I need to get the value of an FCKEditor field for
transmission using AJAX. However, when I reference the fields ID, I get a
blank result when there is definitely content in it. Can someone shed some
light on this for me? Below is the HTML that is generated when I instantiate
the FCKEditor.

div
input type=hidden id=art_article name=art_article value=
style=display:none /
input type=hidden id=art_article___Config value= style=display:none
/
iframe id=art_article___Frame
src=/admin/includes/fckeditor/editor/fckeditor.html?InstanceName=art_articl
eamp;Toolbar=SmallSet width=100% height=250 frameborder=no
scrolling=no/iframe
/div

Any ideas?

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Re: cfqueryparam DECREASES performance?

2006-12-29 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Porter, Benjamin L. wrote:
 
 SELECT 
   Id,
   Description
 FROM  Product
 WHERE ProductID = 2
 
 VS (with query param )
 
 DECLARE @P1 int
 SET @P1 = 2
 
 SELECT 
   Id,
   Description
 FROM  Product
 WHERE ProductID = @P1
 
 CF then uses a stored procedure spprepexec to try to force the dbms to
 precompile the sql statement into an execution plan for faster execution
 on subsequent calls.

With which driver did you observe this behaviour? For which version of MS SQL 
Server was that? ISTM that a more efficient approach would be to use 
sp_executesql or SQLPrepare and I am surprised that a driver would choose a 
strategy that would force an execution for every recompile.

Jochem

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RE: cfqueryparam DECREASES performance? (To be selectable in CF8?)

2006-12-29 Thread Gaulin, Mark
I thought I saw somewhere that the next version of CF (CF8?) would
indeed allow the use of cfqueryparam without forcing the conversion of
the sql to a prepared statement, which would also allow it to be used
with the cachedwithin option.  I don't recall where I read that, so if
someone in the know could confirm it

Thanks
Mark

-Original Message-
From: Porter, Benjamin L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cfqueryparam DECREASES performance?

CFQueryParam can indeed decrease performance. If you look at what
happens when you use CFQueryParam versus just passing in variables it
makes sense. CFQueryParam transforms any passed variables into bind
variables. In MSSQL it is the same as declaring a variable, setting it
and then using that in the query. IE

SELECT 
Id,
Description
FROMProduct
WHERE   ProductID = 2

VS (with query param )

DECLARE @P1 int
SET @P1 = 2

SELECT 
Id,
Description
FROMProduct
WHERE   ProductID = @P1

CF then uses a stored procedure spprepexec to try to force the dbms to
precompile the sql statement into an execution plan for faster execution
on subsequent calls. This is where you lose performance often. If your
database does not have enough memory to store all of the prepared
statements you will be essentially running the query 2x every time you
call it. Once to generate the execution plan once to actually run it.
The same thing happens if the query is not called often enough. IE in
the case of reports run infrequently. The database will clear the
execution plan for your query since it is not used often to make room
for other queries.  I would recommend writing a custom tag to replace
cfqueryparam when used with infrequent long running reports. A query
that takes 100 ms to run, is no big deal if it has to be recompiled once
and a while. A query that runs for 3 minutes can be a major problem if
it takes 2x as long 50% of the time. I wish Adobe would rewrite this
functionality to take an optional parameter to specify whether to use sp
prep exec.

I've attached a custom tag I wrote to replace cfqueryparam in these
cases. User beware it is not fully tested, and not as secure as
cfqueryparam.

-Original Message-
From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 1:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: cfqueryparam DECREASES performance?

OK, I must have something wrong here. I've only heard good things about
cfqueryparam on this list for both security and performance. A client
sent me an ugly report that times out for them. I spent an hour going
through it and applying cfqueryparams to each variable in the many
queries with appropriate datatypes. I threw a cfsetting tag in to
increase the request timeout and the report runs in roughly about 512687
ms, restarted MSSQL server and CFMX7, then with the cfqueryparams the
same query that was running in 5282ms in the old code, now takes
15094ms.

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RE: cfqueryparam DECREASES performance?

2006-12-29 Thread Porter, Benjamin L.
MSSQL 2000
Data direct driver 3.4 with the standard jdbc.sqlserver.SQLServerDriver.

-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 7:33 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cfqueryparam DECREASES performance?

Porter, Benjamin L. wrote:
 
 SELECT 
   Id,
   Description
 FROM  Product
 WHERE ProductID = 2
 
 VS (with query param )
 
 DECLARE @P1 int
 SET @P1 = 2
 
 SELECT 
   Id,
   Description
 FROM  Product
 WHERE ProductID = @P1
 
 CF then uses a stored procedure spprepexec to try to force the dbms to
 precompile the sql statement into an execution plan for faster
execution
 on subsequent calls.

With which driver did you observe this behaviour? For which version of
MS SQL Server was that? ISTM that a more efficient approach would be to
use sp_executesql or SQLPrepare and I am surprised that a driver would
choose a strategy that would force an execution for every recompile.

Jochem



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Re: CFMX on Apache 2.2 on Cygwin?

2006-12-29 Thread Damien McKenna
On 12/28/06 5:22 PM, Adrian Moreno wrote:
 I've had CFMX 6.1 running on both Apache 2 and JBoss on Cygwin for
 development.

Awesome, just what I wanted to know.

 If you're going to use Apache 2.2, make sure you read this TechNote as there's
 a newer connector than the one that ships with the CFMX installer.

http://www.mc-kenna.com/articles/coldfusion-mx-61-apache-22-windows/
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Re: CFMX on Apache 2.2 on Cygwin?

2006-12-29 Thread Damien McKenna
On 12/28/06 8:43 PM, Eric Haskins wrote:
 I have Dev edition running on XAMPP (apachefriends.org) which runs Apache
 2.2

Apache on Windows is different to Apache on Cygwin, but thank you for
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Re: CFMX on Apache 2.2 on Cygwin?

2006-12-29 Thread Damien McKenna
On 12/28/06 11:46 PM, Jacob Munson wrote:
 Ok, I have to ask.  Why?  Apache runs perfectly well under Windows, why
 would you want to run it in a Unix emulator?  I'm sure you've got a good
 reason, I'm just curious what it is.

I was figuring that it might be easier to manage, given I'll be running
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good way to SSH into the server and to have a full shell environment.  It is
a good point, though, maybe I should reconsider..

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RE: cfqueryparam DECREASES performance?

2006-12-29 Thread Richard Kroll
 The SQL output by a query using cfqueryparam is a prepared
statement.
 
 He was suggesting that you compare the execution plan using
cfqueryparam
 vs. not using it to see what the difference is.

Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place then.  I know I can use MSSQL's SQL
Management Studio to place in a SQL query and run it to view the
execution plan.  How can you run the queries in CF and see the execution
plan from MSSQL?

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RE: cfqueryparam DECREASES performance?

2006-12-29 Thread Gaulin, Mark
You can use SQL Profiler to view execution plans. 

-Original Message-
From: Richard Kroll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cfqueryparam DECREASES performance?

 The SQL output by a query using cfqueryparam is a prepared
statement.
 
 He was suggesting that you compare the execution plan using
cfqueryparam
 vs. not using it to see what the difference is.

Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place then.  I know I can use MSSQL's SQL
Management Studio to place in a SQL query and run it to view the
execution plan.  How can you run the queries in CF and see the execution
plan from MSSQL?

Rich Kroll




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Re: CFMX on Apache 2.2 on Cygwin?

2006-12-29 Thread Jacob Munson

 Actually use of Cygwin started from a need for a
 good way to SSH into the server and to have a full shell environment.  It
 is
 a good point, though, maybe I should reconsider..


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Re: CFMX on Apache 2.2 on Cygwin?

2006-12-29 Thread Damien McKenna
On 12/29/06 10:44 AM, Jacob Munson wrote:
 Actually use of Cygwin started from a need for a
 good way to SSH into the server and to have a full shell environment.  It
 is a good point, though, maybe I should reconsider..
 
 What's wrong with Putty?

PuTTY is an SSH client, not a server.  I need a server.

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Re: Getting the value or innerHTML of an FCKEditor field using DOM

2006-12-29 Thread michael acadia
OK, maybe I shouldn't have said you need to use the FCKeditorAPI, but 
since it's built-in to FCKeditor and does exactly what you need, it 
might be easier than writing your own custom functions.

See: http://wiki.fckeditor.net/Developer%27s_Guide/Javascript_API

There are a number of methods in the API, including getXHMTL() which 
returns the contents of the editor instance. I'm using the API 
successfully in a CF/AJAX project - works like a charm.
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Andy Matthews wrote:
 I thought this would be fairly straightforward but it appears to be causing
 me some distress. I need to get the value of an FCKEditor field for
 transmission using AJAX. However, when I reference the fields ID, I get a
 blank result when there is definitely content in it. Can someone shed some
 light on this for me? Below is the HTML that is generated when I instantiate
 the FCKEditor.
 
 div
 input type=hidden id=art_article name=art_article value=
 style=display:none /
 input type=hidden id=art_article___Config value= style=display:none
 /
 iframe id=art_article___Frame
 src=/admin/includes/fckeditor/editor/fckeditor.html?InstanceName=art_articl
 eamp;Toolbar=SmallSet width=100% height=250 frameborder=no
 scrolling=no/iframe
 /div
 
 Any ideas?
 
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RE: CFMX on Apache 2.2 on Cygwin?

2006-12-29 Thread Jeff Garza
Have you looked at some of the windows implementations of SSH?  A quick
google search turned up a lot of options...


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Subject: Re: CFMX on Apache 2.2 on Cygwin?

On 12/29/06 10:44 AM, Jacob Munson wrote:
 Actually use of Cygwin started from a need for a good way to SSH into 
 the server and to have a full shell environment.  It is a good point, 
 though, maybe I should reconsider..
 
 What's wrong with Putty?

PuTTY is an SSH client, not a server.  I need a server.

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Re: CFMX on Apache 2.2 on Cygwin?

2006-12-29 Thread Damien McKenna
On 12/29/06 11:09 AM, Jeff Garza wrote:
 Have you looked at some of the windows implementations of SSH?  A quick
 google search turned up a lot of options...

Why pay for an ssh service when Cygwin is free?

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Re: Query Problem

2006-12-29 Thread Bruce Sorge
That did it. Thanks.

On 12/29/06, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 OK, so you have this:

 cfset yearQuery = QueryNew(year_num, Integer)
 cfset newRow = QueryAddRow(yearQuery, 100)
 cfloop index=year_number from=1920 to=2020
 cfset yearnumber[year_number] = year_number
 cfset temp =
 QuerySetCell(yearQuery,year_num,#yearnumber[year_number]#,#year_number#)
 /cfloop

 Based on what you are doing with the other queries and what I think
 you are trying to do, this will work:

 cfset yearQuery = QueryNew(year_num, Integer)
 cfset newRow = QueryAddRow(yearQuery, 100)
 cfset YearOffset = 1919
 cfloop index=year_number from=1 to=100
 cfset yearnumber[year_number + YearOffset] = year_number + YearOffset 
 cfset temp = QuerySetCell(yearQuery,year_num,yearnumber[year_number
 + YearOffset],year_number)
 /cfloop

 I got rid of unnecessary # signs too. Why you have a struct of years
 containing the same data as the struct's key I don't know, but this
 will give you the result you were after.

 On 12/29/06, Bruce Sorge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  OK, so I did not quite understand what I was doing. I thought that I was
  setting 100 cells, and the year range from 1920 - 2020 was 100 years;
 you
  see where I was going.
  So, then do I put 1920 in there then? I tried 2020 and of course it
 crated
  2020 rows which sucked.
 
  Thanks
 
  -Original Message-
  From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:51 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: Query Problem
 
  You have a query with 100 rows and you are trying to set a cell in row
  1920. 1920 is greater than 100.
 
  On 12/29/06, Bruce Sorge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hello.
   I have these three queries that I am creating below. The first two
 work
   great, but the third one gives me the following error:
  
   The row number, (1920) is out of bound. This is happening on line 48
 which
   is this one:
  
   cfset temp = QuerySetCell(yearQuery, year_num,
  #yearnumber[year_number]#,
   #year_number#)
  
  
   What is wrong with it? Seems to me it should work.
  
  
   cfset monthQuery = QueryNew(Month_Number, Month_Name, Integer,
   varchar)
  
   cfset newRow = QueryAddRow(monthQuery, 12)
  
   cfloop index=loopcount from=1 to=12
   cfset months[loopcount]=MonthAsString(loopcount)
  cfset monthNumber[loopcount] = loopcount
  cfset temp = QuerySetCell(monthQuery, Month_Number,
   #monthNumber[loopcount]#, #loopcount#)
   cfset temp = QuerySetCell(monthQuery, Month_Name,
 #months[loopcount]#,
   #loopcount#)
   /cfloop
  
  
   cfset dayQuery = QueryNew(Day_Number, Integer)
  
   cfset newRow = QueryAddRow(dayQuery, 31)
  
   cfloop index=loopcount from=1 to=31
   cfset dayNumber[loopcount] = loopcount
   cfset temp = QuerySetCell(dayQuery, Day_Number,
   #dayNumber[loopcount]#, #loopcount#)
   /cfloop
  
  
   cfset yearQuery = QueryNew(year_num, Integer)
  
   cfset newRow = QueryAddRow(yearQuery, 100)
  
   cfloop index=year_number from=1920 to=2020
   cfset yearnumber[year_number] = year_number
   cfset temp = QuerySetCell(yearQuery, year_num,
   #yearnumber[year_number]#, #year_number#)
   /cfloop
  
   Thanks,
  
   Bruce Sorge
  
  
  
 
 
 
 

 

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RE: CFMX on Apache 2.2 on Cygwin?

2006-12-29 Thread Dave Watts
 Why pay for an ssh service when Cygwin is free?

The reason I bought VShell, Van Dyke Software's SSH server, is because it
integrates well with Windows (and Windows security).

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RE: CFMX on Apache 2.2 on Cygwin?

2006-12-29 Thread Dave Watts
 I was figuring that it might be easier to manage, given I'll 
 be running other tools under Cygwin.  Actually use of Cygwin 
 started from a need for a good way to SSH into the server and 
 to have a full shell environment.  It is a good point, 
 though, maybe I should reconsider..

I think that running a web server through Cygwin is a bad idea when native
versions of the same web server are available.

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RE: cfqueryparam DECREASES performance? (To be selectable in CF8? )

2006-12-29 Thread Dave Watts
 I thought I saw somewhere that the next version of CF (CF8?) 
 would indeed allow the use of cfqueryparam without forcing 
 the conversion of the sql to a prepared statement, which 
 would also allow it to be used with the cachedwithin option.  
 I don't recall where I read that, so if someone in the know 
 could confirm it

I can't say I'm in the know on this specific topic, but I don't see how
CFQUERYPARAM would be useful if it didn't build a prepared statement. I also
don't see why CF 8 couldn't just cache query results from prepared
statements, either, so my guess is that is what will happen.

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Re: receive/read fax documents via CF

2006-12-29 Thread Bryan Stevenson
 Bryan,

 It seems as if you were doing something very similar
 (found this on Google:
 http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/thread.cfm/threadid:44779 )

Yep...and if ya caught the part about Adobe LiveCycle costs you'll see why we 
bailed on it ;-)

There are many barcode reading utilities out theremost around a few hundred 
bucksuse them via CFEXECUTE.  I never got that far.

HTHand post details of a viable solutionI know I'd like to hear about 
it 
;-)

Cheers

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Re: CFMX on Apache 2.2 on Cygwin?

2006-12-29 Thread Jacob Munson

  What's wrong with Putty?

 PuTTY is an SSH client, not a server.  I need a server.


Oh, sorry.  I thought you were using Cygwin as an ssh client, not a server.
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CFID and CFToken

2006-12-29 Thread Cutter (CFRelated)
Does anyone know of a way to programmatically add the CFID and CFToken 
variables to every link within a rendered page (if needed)? Links, form 
actions, etc., via some regex or something.

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RE: CFID and CFToken

2006-12-29 Thread Adkins, Randy
Well not really with CF Code but why not use the Search/Replace function
within HomeSite/DW/ or Eclipse and update the pages that way?


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Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 1:00 PM
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Subject: CFID and CFToken

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variables to every link within a rendered page (if needed)? Links, form
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HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
I recently moved my site to HostMySite and am now having major problems as a 
result. Here's the issue: I use a cfcontent tag to send downloaded software 
down to the client, as is commonly done so the file can be kept in a secure 
location. The file is around 10 megs so can take anywhere from 10-15 seconds to 
a minute or two to download. The problem is that HMS is using SeeFusion and has 
recently set it to end any threads running more than 50 seconds. This is a 
major problem because it overrides normal ColdFusion behavior that allows tags 
like cfcontent and cfftp to run to completion. And it even overrides use of a 
cfsetting tag for pages you expect to take awhile to run so I have no way to 
override this. So now my customers go to download the software and for many, it 
keeps timing out on them, and the customer tries again and again until they run 
out of download attemptsand then of course I get an annoyed email and have 
to deal with sending them the file another way. HostMySite's suggestion? Use 
ASPUpload instead! They say they have no problem with the setting causing 
problems for some people if it keeps the servers running better for everyone 
else.

So this post is for two reasons...to warn anyone that might be considering 
using HMS shared hosting that they better not ever need a ColdFusion page to 
run more than 50 seconds. And to see if anyone knows of a way to get the 
cfcontent to complete faster. Is there any way to get the thread to run to 
completion without it having to wait for the client to receive the entire file? 
Any other options I could look at that will integrate into ColdFusion? 

I hope that when the improved server monitoring with Scorpio comes out that 
will allow for better handling of things like this. I totally appreciate the 
need to kill hanging threads and keep the server up and running. But I totally 
disagree with being able to override normal use of ColdFusion like this. 


--- Mary Jo

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Re: CFID and CFToken

2006-12-29 Thread Christopher Jordan
I'm not sure why you'd want to do that, (and there may be security risks 
in doing so), but the CFID and CFToken are typically stored in the 
cookie scope. You could get them from there to add them to all your links.

Cheers,
Chris

Cutter (CFRelated) wrote:
 Does anyone know of a way to programmatically add the CFID and CFToken 
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RE: CFID and CFToken

2006-12-29 Thread Snake
Checkout UrlSessionFormat()

Russ 

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RE: CFID and CFToken

2006-12-29 Thread Ben Nadel
Can you wrap all links in some sort of method call.. Something like:

SessionUrl( index.cfm. ) 

And have that automatically add the CFID / CFTOKEN?

Or are you talking about a search / replace like someone else mentioned?

..
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Re: CFID and CFToken

2006-12-29 Thread Christopher Jordan
Wait... they're in the cookie scope on my box because we're putting them 
there. They live in the session scope.

Cheers,
Chris

Cutter (CFRelated) wrote:
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RE: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Ben Nadel
Mary Jo,

As a work around, you might want to consider copying the file to a
random directory (create one on the fly via UUID or something) then
CFLocat the user to that directory.

Then maybe once a day or something, programmatically go through and
delete all those directories???
 

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-Original Message-
From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: HostMySite Issue

I recently moved my site to HostMySite and am now having major problems
as a result. Here's the issue: I use a cfcontent tag to send downloaded
software down to the client, as is commonly done so the file can be kept
in a secure location. The file is around 10 megs so can take anywhere
from 10-15 seconds to a minute or two to download. The problem is that
HMS is using SeeFusion and has recently set it to end any threads
running more than 50 seconds. This is a major problem because it
overrides normal ColdFusion behavior that allows tags like cfcontent and
cfftp to run to completion. And it even overrides use of a cfsetting tag
for pages you expect to take awhile to run so I have no way to override
this. So now my customers go to download the software and for many, it
keeps timing out on them, and the customer tries again and again until
they run out of download attemptsand then of course I get an annoyed
email and have to deal with sending them the file another way.
HostMySite's suggestion? Use ASPUpload instead! They say they have no
problem with the setting causing problems for some people if it keeps
the servers running better for everyone else.

So this post is for two reasons...to warn anyone that might be
considering using HMS shared hosting that they better not ever need a
ColdFusion page to run more than 50 seconds. And to see if anyone knows
of a way to get the cfcontent to complete faster. Is there any way to
get the thread to run to completion without it having to wait for the
client to receive the entire file? Any other options I could look at
that will integrate into ColdFusion? 

I hope that when the improved server monitoring with Scorpio comes out
that will allow for better handling of things like this. I totally
appreciate the need to kill hanging threads and keep the server up and
running. But I totally disagree with being able to override normal use
of ColdFusion like this. 


--- Mary Jo



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Re: CFID and CFToken

2006-12-29 Thread Christopher Jordan
Why couldn't you do it with CF Code? Well, I guess if he's creating all 
his HTML by hand and just using CF for the back end... otherwise, you'd 
do it when CF is creating the page.

CFOutput
a 
href=somepage.cfm?CFID=#Session.CFID#CFTOKEN=#Session.CFToken#MyLink/a
/CFOutput

What's wrong with something like that?

Cheers,
Chris

Adkins, Randy wrote:
 Well not really with CF Code but why not use the Search/Replace function
 within HomeSite/DW/ or Eclipse and update the pages that way?


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RE: CFID and CFToken

2006-12-29 Thread Adkins, Randy
Nothing wrong with it but I got out the message was he was wanting to
update all the pages to use the variables.
So instead of opening and changing a page one at a time, to do a
Search/Replace.
 

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From: Christopher Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 1:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFID and CFToken

Why couldn't you do it with CF Code? Well, I guess if he's creating all
his HTML by hand and just using CF for the back end... otherwise, you'd
do it when CF is creating the page.

CFOutput
a
href=somepage.cfm?CFID=#Session.CFID#CFTOKEN=#Session.CFToken#MyLink
/a
/CFOutput

What's wrong with something like that?

Cheers,
Chris

Adkins, Randy wrote:
 Well not really with CF Code but why not use the Search/Replace 
 function within HomeSite/DW/ or Eclipse and update the pages that way?


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 Subject: CFID and CFToken

 Does anyone know of a way to programmatically add the CFID and CFToken

 variables to every link within a rendered page (if needed)? Links, 
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RE: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Brad Wood
Scorpio server monitoring wouldn't necessarily alleviate this.  The 50
second rule is something Host my site has decided upon and SeeFusion is
simply the tool they are enforcing it with.  

While can't speak for the business rules of HMS, and I can verify that
it is very easy to specify exception templates in the SeeFusion active
monitoring rules.  I do it myself for reports which I expect to run
long. Convincing HMS of that is another story.  I am a little surprised
they would be so hard headed about it.

As far as a solution I agree with what Ben Nadel said.  Copy it
somewhere with a cryptic file name, and then redirect to it.  I would
recommend using a JavaScript redirect.  If you create the file in a
directory which has the cryptic name, then not only would it be hard to
guess, but the user won't have to rename the file when they get it
downloaded-- I hate that.
This way your browser is requesting the file directly.  Since SeeFusion
runs on the JVM which handles ONLY .cfm, .cfc, etc requests, a request
for another file type will be served up by the web server, and SeeFusion
will never be any the wiser.

And then, of course, clear files over 1 day old out of the directory or
something.

~Brad

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Cold Fusion for small IntraNet

2006-12-29 Thread coldfusion . developer
I've read about a FREE product that is very much like Cold Fusion but I forget
the name of it.  I'm lookiing for a free peice of software for a small IntraNet.

Thanks

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Re: Cold Fusion for small IntraNet

2006-12-29 Thread Rey Bango
Its either BlueDragon (www.newatlanta.com) or Ralio 
(http://www.railo.ch/en/index.cfm).

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 IntraNet.
 
 Thanks
 
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RE: cfqueryparam DECREASES performance? (To be selectable in CF8? )

2006-12-29 Thread Gaulin, Mark
I can think of one *huge* reason where CFQUERYPARAM would be useful...
For parameter validation to prevent SQL injection attacks.  I would love
to be able to tell people that they should *always* use CFQUERYPARAM,
but I can't because there are times when it will break existing code
(by disabling cachedwithin, which is what happens now, as I understand
it).

Mark

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cfqueryparam DECREASES performance? (To be selectable in
CF8? )

 I thought I saw somewhere that the next version of CF (CF8?) would 
 indeed allow the use of cfqueryparam without forcing the conversion of

 the sql to a prepared statement, which would also allow it to be used 
 with the cachedwithin option.
 I don't recall where I read that, so if someone in the know 
 could confirm it

I can't say I'm in the know on this specific topic, but I don't see
how CFQUERYPARAM would be useful if it didn't build a prepared
statement. I also don't see why CF 8 couldn't just cache query results
from prepared statements, either, so my guess is that is what will
happen.

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Re: Cold Fusion for small IntraNet

2006-12-29 Thread Josh Nathanson
Also there is the mysterious Smith - some tags aren't supported though.

http://www.smithproject.org

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 Its either BlueDragon (www.newatlanta.com) or Ralio
 (http://www.railo.ch/en/index.cfm).

 Rey

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 I've read about a FREE product that is very much like Cold Fusion but I 
 forget
 the name of it.  I'm lookiing for a free peice of software for a small 
 IntraNet.

 Thanks

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Re: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Bryan Stevenson
 long. Convincing HMS of that is another story.  I am a little surprised
 they would be so hard headed about it.


As am I.  We finally gave up on our hosting company of 8 years a month or so 
backwe are now moving ALL of our clients to HostMySite (and out company 
domain has already moved).

They have been AWESOME!!  Even last night one of the techs went above and 
beyond 
to sort out a mail issue (quite a non-standard setup which made things 
complex)he ultimately relaxed the SMTP authentication to ensure mail from 
my 
app would send no matter what.

So if they'll relax a rule like thatI'm sure they'll listen to reason on 
this one...just make a bit more noise ;-)

Cheers

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Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
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Best book for PostgreSQL?

2006-12-29 Thread Damien McKenna
Anyone have any recommendations for a book to learn PostgreSQL from?  I'm
thinking intermediate-to-advanced usage, everything from server management
to custom datatypes, stored procedures, etc.

There's a book due in March that covers usage on Windows
(http://mhprofessional.com/product.php?isbn=0071485627) but I really don't
need four chapters on languages I won't be using, and I suspect it wouldn't
be advanced enough.

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Re: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
Scorpio server monitoring wouldn't necessarily alleviate this.  The 50
second rule is something Host my site has decided upon and SeeFusion is
simply the tool they are enforcing it with.  

I meant more in terms of not *needing* to use something like SeeFusion, which 
allows the host to be so restrictive and take away some normal tools we have to 
specify a page to normally run longer. 


While can't speak for the business rules of HMS, and I can verify that
it is very easy to specify exception templates in the SeeFusion active
monitoring rules.  I do it myself for reports which I expect to run
long. 

Well, that's good to know at least. HMS has been telling me there is no way at 
all to override the setting. 


As far as a solution I agree with what Ben Nadel said.  Copy it
somewhere with a cryptic file name, and then redirect to it.  I would
recommend using a JavaScript redirect. 

The problem here is that ideally I would find a solution that will work for 
people who purchase my software as well. One requirement is the code needs to 
work without Javascript in case the customer has it turned off. Is there a 
reason you would use a JS redirect rather than cflocation? Would there be a 
problem with the directory not being created first? Since cflocation is a 302 
redirect to my knowledge, not sure that it would be a problem. 

If you create the file in a
directory which has the cryptic name, then not only would it be hard to
guess, but the user won't have to rename the file when they get it
downloaded-- I hate that.

Yes, I definitely think this would be more secure versus using the same 
directory each time and a renamed file. But I'll also have to recode some way 
to present the file, versus the current method that checks for access, calls 
the cfcontent and starts the download, but never actually relocates the user to 
a new page. 

And then, of course, clear files over 1 day old out of the directory or
something.

The maintenance definitely is an issue as well. To use directories, I'll have 
to keep a list of directories created and then run a scheduled function every 
day to clear them. I try to avoid the use of required scheduled tasks since a 
fair number of my customers really aren't very ColdFusion savvy and even 
setting up datasources can be confusing for them. ;-) I'll have to see if I can 
maybe set this method up as an optional way to do downloads so they can use 
whichever method works best for them. 

Thanks for the ideas!


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Re: cfqueryparam DECREASES performance? (To be selectable in CF8?)

2006-12-29 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Gaulin, Mark wrote:
 I thought I saw somewhere that the next version of CF (CF8?) would
 indeed allow the use of cfqueryparam without forcing the conversion of
 the sql to a prepared statement

IIRC JDBC does not support that so I doubt Adobe will add that to CF. But that 
does not mean that support for the combination of cfqueryparam and query 
caching is impossible.

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Re: Best book for PostgreSQL?

2006-12-29 Thread Damien McKenna
To answer my own question, I'm probably going to go to a brick-n-mortar book
store and compare these two:

Beginning Databases with PostgreSQL: From Novice to Professional, Second
Edition (ISBN: 1-59059-478-9)
http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=424

PostgreSQL, Second Edition (ISBN: 0-672-32756-2)
http://safari.samspublishing.com/0672327562

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Re: CFID and CFToken

2006-12-29 Thread Cutter (CFRelated)
Here's the issue: Shared code base utilized by 1400+ sites and we're 
tracking stats (users to sessions, etc). To properly track sessions 
among those who do not have cookies enabled (and there are many) we 
would need to pass CFID/CFToken to each page request. This requires us 
to change 7,000+ templates in a dynamic system (Hence me looking for a 
regex).

Cutter


Adkins, Randy wrote:
 Nothing wrong with it but I got out the message was he was wanting to
 update all the pages to use the variables.
 So instead of opening and changing a page one at a time, to do a
 Search/Replace.
  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Christopher Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 1:28 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: CFID and CFToken
 
 Why couldn't you do it with CF Code? Well, I guess if he's creating all
 his HTML by hand and just using CF for the back end... otherwise, you'd
 do it when CF is creating the page.
 
 CFOutput
 a
 href=somepage.cfm?CFID=#Session.CFID#CFTOKEN=#Session.CFToken#MyLink
 /a
 /CFOutput
 
 What's wrong with something like that?
 
 Cheers,
 Chris
 
 Adkins, Randy wrote:
 
Well not really with CF Code but why not use the Search/Replace 
function within HomeSite/DW/ or Eclipse and update the pages that way?


-Original Message-
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFID and CFToken

Does anyone know of a way to programmatically add the CFID and CFToken
 
 
variables to every link within a rendered page (if needed)? Links, 
form actions, etc., via some regex or something.

Cutter




 
 
 
 
 

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Re: CFID and CFToken

2006-12-29 Thread Christopher Jordan
Well then... hm... some sort of search/replace would be good. You could 
checkout a program called NoteTab Light. It has a powerful search and 
replace capability which includes the ability to use regular expressions.

Chris

Cutter (CFRelated) wrote:
 Here's the issue: Shared code base utilized by 1400+ sites and we're 
 tracking stats (users to sessions, etc). To properly track sessions 
 among those who do not have cookies enabled (and there are many) we 
 would need to pass CFID/CFToken to each page request. This requires us 
 to change 7,000+ templates in a dynamic system (Hence me looking for a 
 regex).

 Cutter


 Adkins, Randy wrote:
   
 Nothing wrong with it but I got out the message was he was wanting to
 update all the pages to use the variables.
 So instead of opening and changing a page one at a time, to do a
 Search/Replace.
  

 -Original Message-
 From: Christopher Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 1:28 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: CFID and CFToken

 Why couldn't you do it with CF Code? Well, I guess if he's creating all
 his HTML by hand and just using CF for the back end... otherwise, you'd
 do it when CF is creating the page.

 CFOutput
 a
 href=somepage.cfm?CFID=#Session.CFID#CFTOKEN=#Session.CFToken#MyLink
 /a
 /CFOutput

 What's wrong with something like that?

 Cheers,
 Chris

 Adkins, Randy wrote:

 
 Well not really with CF Code but why not use the Search/Replace 
 function within HomeSite/DW/ or Eclipse and update the pages that way?


 -Original Message-
 From: Cutter (CFRelated) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 1:00 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: CFID and CFToken

 Does anyone know of a way to programmatically add the CFID and CFToken
   
 
 variables to every link within a rendered page (if needed)? Links, 
 form actions, etc., via some regex or something.

 Cutter




   



 

 

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RE: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Brad Wood
 Well, that's good to know at least. HMS has been telling me there is
no  way at all to override the setting. 

Yeah, that's crap.  Ask to speak with a manager if they tell you that
again.  SeeFusion lets you exclude URL substrings.  Here is a quote from
the configuration interface:

'A space-delimited list of URL substrings to ignore for this rule.
For example, to exclude longreport.cfm and all files in the
/batchjobs/ folder, type:
longreport.cfm /batchjobs/'

 a problem with the directory not being created first? Since cflocation
is  a 302 redirect to my knowledge, not sure that it would be a
problem. 

Well, I guess cflocation would work just as well.  For some reason I was
thinking it would be part of the same request, but actually you are
correct in saying it returns a 302 (temporary redirect) to the browser,
and then the browser makes a second http request for to the new
location.  

As far as the directories not being created first... I don't know if you
would have any problems with that.  Sometimes the cffile tag will quit
executing but the file system is still finishing copying the file.  Some
times waiting for a few seconds BEFORE doing the redirect is enough time
for it to be there.

The maintenance definitely is an issue as well. To use directories,
I'll have to keep a list of directories created and then run a
scheduled function every day to clear them. 

Actually, what I have done in the past here is dirty, but quick.
Everytime you go to write a new file, just do a cfdirectory to get a
list of all the files/directories, use a query of queries to filter out
ones older than a day, and then delete them.  That way it cleans itself
every time it is used.  Of course, that approach does assume that there
is fairly regular traffic, since it would only clean up every time it
was used.

That does eliminate the need for scheduled tasks and such.

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Re: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
'A space-delimited list of URL substrings to ignore for this rule.
For example, to exclude longreport.cfm and all files in the
/batchjobs/ folder, type:
longreport.cfm /batchjobs/'

But can you ignore based on querystrings? My software is Fusebox-based, so 
pretty much everything runs through the index.cfm file. It would only be for a 
specific fuseaction that I would need the timeout ignored.


As far as the directories not being created first... I don't know if you
would have any problems with that.  Sometimes the cffile tag will quit
executing but the file system is still finishing copying the file.  Some
times waiting for a few seconds BEFORE doing the redirect is enough time
for it to be there.

Ah right, I have to copy the file as well. I don't think there really will be 
an issue though since the only way I'd do this is have a link to the file that 
the customer would click on...by the time they do *that* it should be finished. 
But throwing in a short delay would probably be a good idea anyway.


Actually, what I have done in the past here is dirty, but quick.
Everytime you go to write a new file, just do a cfdirectory to get a
list of all the files/directories, use a query of queries to filter out
ones older than a day, and then delete them.  That way it cleans itself
every time it is used. 

Yes, I've done that as well in the past. 

Of course, that approach does assume that there
is fairly regular traffic, since it would only clean up every time it
was used.

Right, that is my concern in this case. For my own site, it's not unusual for 
there to be no downloads for several days, and with other users it may be even 
longer. 


--- Mary Jo


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RE: Cold Fusion for small IntraNet

2006-12-29 Thread Rick Faircloth
Check out Coral Web Builder at www.pcaonline.com, too.

According to information I got from the company, it takes
the place of CF server and you can also deploy it on
client machines, via CD with your apps, etc.

I'm going to give it a try soon.

Rick

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Its either BlueDragon (www.newatlanta.com) or Ralio 
(http://www.railo.ch/en/index.cfm).

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RE: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Brad Wood
'A space-delimited list of URL substrings to ignore for this rule.
For example, to exclude longreport.cfm and all files in the
/batchjobs/ folder, type:
longreport.cfm /batchjobs/'

But can you ignore based on querystrings? My software is Fusebox-based,
so pretty much everything runs through the index.cfm file. It would only
be for a specific fuseaction that I would need the timeout ignored.


Yes, it is possible.  I use Fusebox, and had to figure out myself how to
do it.

The trick is to use a method SeeFusion makes available called
setRequestName().  This is how it works:


cfif listfindnocase(exception list,fusebox.fuseaction)
cfset seefusion = createObject(java, com.seefusion.SeeFusion)
cfset seefusion.setRequestName(seefusion_rule_exception_ 
replacenocase(cgi.script_name,/,))
/cfif

Now SeeFusion reports the file being requested as
seefusion_rule_exception_index.cfm instead of just index.cfm

Very handy indeed.  

Good luck.  :-P

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Hey Intermedia, Happy Frickin' New Year!

2006-12-29 Thread Ray Champagne
So…we got into the office today to find an email message stating that all
FTP and login passwords have been changed for all of our accounts at
Intermedia “for stronger security”.  With no prior warning.  Yep, that’s
just effing wonderful, you pricks, now I have applications that are crashing
on Friday afternoon on a long holiday weekend.  Oh, and the EPA doles out
fines for one of those apps when the data isn’t publicly available within 24
hours.  And the software vendor that needs to change the password on the
other end is not available until Tuesday (and why would they, it’s a
holiday!)  Yay, job well done!

 

Just wanted to publicly say that Intermedia sucks, and I’m so happy that we
have move to a dedicated solution.  This is not the first complaint that I
have from them.  If you are thinking about moving to them, run the other
direction.  I wish there was someone here that represents the company so
that they could read this, but alas, their CF knowledge is much less than
they profess, and they would never frequent a place like this.

 

Oh yea, the best part is that when we wrote in to ask WTF are they thinking,
we got a blasé answer that said, I kid you not: “Sorry for the
inconvenience.  Signed, Support”.

 

 

Pardon my pre-holiday rant.

 



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RE: Hey Intermedia, Happy Frickin' New Year!

2006-12-29 Thread Ray Champagne
That was supposed to go to CF-Comm.  Sorry for the OT post.

 -Original Message-
 From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:04 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Hey Intermedia, Happy Frickin' New Year!
 
 So…we got into the office today to find an email message stating that all
 FTP and login passwords have been changed for all of our accounts at
 Intermedia “for stronger security”.  With no prior warning.  Yep, that’s
 just effing wonderful, you pricks, now I have applications that are
crashing
 on Friday afternoon on a long holiday weekend.  Oh, and the EPA doles out
 fines for one of those apps when the data isn’t publicly available within
24
 hours.  And the software vendor that needs to change the password on the
 other end is not available until Tuesday (and why would they, it’s a
 holiday!)  Yay, job well done!
 
 
 
 Just wanted to publicly say that Intermedia sucks, and I’m so happy that
we
 have move to a dedicated solution.  This is not the first complaint that I
 have from them.  If you are thinking about moving to them, run the other
 direction.  I wish there was someone here that represents the company so
 that they could read this, but alas, their CF knowledge is much less than
 they profess, and they would never frequent a place like this.
 
 
 
 Oh yea, the best part is that when we wrote in to ask WTF are they
thinking,
 we got a blasé answer that said, I kid you not: “Sorry for the
 inconvenience.  Signed, Support”.
 
 
 
 
 
 Pardon my pre-holiday rant.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Robert Mack
HMS makes *NO* exceptions to the 50 second rule, even for rarely used
administrative templates.  This basically forces you off their shared server if
you ever need any template to run more than 50 seconds.  I had to spring for a
$1,600 VPS to keep my site alive.  While this has been a giant pain in the neck
for me I do respect HMS` fanatical commitment to defending the performance of
their shared servers.  Their shared servers had persistent performance issues
before they imposed the 50 second rule.  Bob Mack

 Well, that's good to know at least. HMS has been telling me there is
no  way at all to override the setting. 

Yeah, that's crap.  Ask to speak with a manager if they tell you that
again.  SeeFusion lets you exclude URL substrings.  

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Re: Hey Intermedia, Happy Frickin' New Year!

2006-12-29 Thread Will Tomlinson
That was supposed to go to CF-Comm.  Sorry for the OT post.

Sounds like this post belongs here too. 

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RE: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Brad Wood
Well, I suppose it is their prerogative, however to flat out tell a
customer that, there is no way to override that setting is lying.  I
HATE it when customer service tells me they can't doing something when
what they really mean is they aren't allowed or choose not to allow
for it to happen.

Truthfulness is key for me.

~Brad

-Original Message-
From: Robert Mack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: HostMySite Issue

HMS makes *NO* exceptions to the 50 second rule, even for rarely used
administrative templates.  This basically forces you off their shared
server if
you ever need any template to run more than 50 seconds.  I had to spring
for a
$1,600 VPS to keep my site alive.  While this has been a giant pain in
the neck
for me I do respect HMS` fanatical commitment to defending the
performance of
their shared servers.  Their shared servers had persistent performance
issues
before they imposed the 50 second rule.  Bob Mack

 Well, that's good to know at least. HMS has been telling me there is
no  way at all to override the setting. 

Yeah, that's crap.  Ask to speak with a manager if they tell you that
again.  SeeFusion lets you exclude URL substrings.  



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RE: Hey Intermedia, Happy Frickin' New Year!

2006-12-29 Thread Brad Wood
Sounds like they got hacked and are trying to cover up/prevent access of
compromised accounts.

~Brad

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Hey Intermedia, Happy Frickin' New Year!

So...we got into the office today to find an email message stating that
all
FTP and login passwords have been changed for all of our accounts at
Intermedia for stronger security.  With no prior warning. 


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Re: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Bryan Stevenson
$1600 VPS...what the hell is that running???

I assume it's a tad more than the standard $45-$150 VPS is

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Re: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
HMS makes *NO* exceptions to the 50 second rule, even for rarely used
administrative templates.  This basically forces you off their shared server if
you ever need any template to run more than 50 seconds.  I had to spring for a
$1,600 VPS to keep my site alive.  

Sounds like it's not worth my trying to fight it then. I just wish they had 
this information clearly indicated somewhere on their site, because I would 
have known not to move my site to them otherwise. Buying a VPS is not an option 
for me financially, nor would I consider it when there are plenty of other 
hosts that don't do this. I'll have to debate whether completely recoding my 
download function is less work than moving the site to another less restrictive 
host. 

While this has been a giant pain in the neck
for me I do respect HMS` fanatical commitment to defending the performance of
their shared servers.  Their shared servers had persistent performance issues
before they imposed the 50 second rule. 

This sounds a lot like throwing the baby out with the bathwater to me. Surely 
there are more reasonable approaches they could take that would not break sites 
that aren't causing problems. 

I also worry about my customers on their servers being able to do major 
software upgrades in the future. These often include a fair amount of code and 
data migration that can take awhile to run. Normally a simple cfsetting tag 
will ensure they won't timeout halfway through the upgrade, but HMS users will 
have to find other ways to upgrade their sites if they have a lot of data to 
convert and hit this 50 second mark. 


--- Mary Jo




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Re: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
Well, I suppose it is their prerogative, however to flat out tell a
customer that, there is no way to override that setting is lying.  I
HATE it when customer service tells me they can't doing something when
what they really mean is they aren't allowed or choose not to allow
for it to happen.

I agree, their emails to me have definitely implied that setting a timeout is 
an all-or-nothing situation. Here's the exact message I got:

Correct, this will affect any queries for CF and there is not a way to bypass 
this. We currently do not have it in place to exclude anyone, everyone that 
runs cold fusion will have to adhere by this rule.

Interesting that they didn't even mention using a VPS as an option although I 
did assume that this only applied to shared hosting. 


--- Mary Jo


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Re: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
Yes, it is possible.  I use Fusebox, and had to figure out myself how to
do it.

The trick is to use a method SeeFusion makes available called
setRequestName().  

Thanks for sharing the information! At least I have some ammunition to use with 
them and show that it would be easy for them to allow my page to run without 
putting their servers majorly at risk. 

---Mary Jo


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Re: Best book for PostgreSQL?

2006-12-29 Thread Jordan Michaels
Hi Damien,

If it wouldn't be too much trouble, would you mind posting what you
find? I'm very interested in this as well and just haven't had the
opportunity to do my own research. The documentation on the PostgreSQL
website is very good, but sometimes it's just nice to have a good book
about things.

I'm personally very interested in clustering.

Thanks in advance!

Warm regards,
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Damien McKenna wrote:
 To answer my own question, I'm probably going to go to a brick-n-mortar book
 store and compare these two:
 
 Beginning Databases with PostgreSQL: From Novice to Professional, Second
 Edition (ISBN: 1-59059-478-9)
 http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=424
 
 PostgreSQL, Second Edition (ISBN: 0-672-32756-2)
 http://safari.samspublishing.com/0672327562
 
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Re: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Jordan Michaels
Robert Mack wrote:
 I had to spring for a
 $1,600 VPS to keep my site alive.

For $100 more, you could get a Dedicated Server with CFMX for that
price. Seems kind of spendy to put that kind of money into a VPS.

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Reactor Issues

2006-12-29 Thread Kyle Hayes
Good Afternoon,

I hope I am not posting something that has been posted a billion  
times, but here we are. I am not sure why I am having these issues as  
I have implement ColdSpring and Reactor in my projects together  
before. I am also using Mach-ii as my OO framework.

I am getting the following error when attempting to getAll() from my  
Service table in my database:

The argument REACTOR passed to function init() is not of type  
reactor.reactorFactory
The error occurred in D:\Websites\DigitalEyeon\mladamsins\webroot 
\model\ServiceListener.cfc: line 5

ServiceListener.cfc:

cfcomponent name=ServiceListener extends=MachII.framework.Listener

cffunction name=configure access=public returntype=void  
hint=Configures this listener

/cffunction

cffunction name=init access=public returntype=void  
hint=Inits this listener
cfargument name=Reactor required=true  
type=reactor.reactorFactory /
cfscript
variables.Reactor = arguments.Reactor;
/cfscript
/cffunction

cffunction name=getAll access=remote returntype=query
cfreturn variables.Reactor.createGateway('Service').getAll() /
/cffunction
/cfcomponent

Services.xml:
?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?

beans
bean id=reactor class=reactor.reactorFactory
constructor-arg name=configuration
value/config/reactor.xml/value
/constructor-arg
/bean

bean id=serviceListener class=model.ServiceListener /

bean id=udf class=model.UDF singleton=true /

/beans

Mach-ii ColdSpring plugin config:
plugin name=ColdspringPlugin  
type=coldspring.machii.ColdspringPlugin
parameters
parameter name=configFilePropertyName 
value=servicesConfig /
parameter name=configFilePathIsRelative 
value=true /
parameter name=resolveMachiiDependencies 
value=true /
/parameters
/plugin


Thanks,
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Admin Panel Question

2006-12-29 Thread Steve LaBadie
I created an admin panel for a client with the typical add, delete, modify 
features.  My client has a news section on their website along with an archive 
section for old news.  My client wants the old news to be placed in the archive 
section when it is deleted from the current news page through the admin panel. 
Is this possible? Any ideas?
 
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Re: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Let's all remember that the techs giving out the all or nothing statements may 
very well have been told by upper management that it is not possible.  I would 
not expect them all to look into the validity of that statement.

I can completely understand their positionkeep the shared hosting running 
smooth...and it does.  If you need heavier processing...pay for it.

I understand it's an inconvenince, but things can slip through the cracks. 
Their online support pages are lightyears ahead of the host we just left.  Mary 
Joyou were just unlucky in this case.but did you ASK if they had any 
timeout restrictions?? ;-)  I know I asked all kinds of questions before moving 
(especially our clients).

I'm not easily impressed (just ask anyone that works with me...hehe).  I can't 
say enough good things about HostMySite.  I have techs CALLING me days after a 
support request was inititaed with them...just to make sure it was resolved in 
their absence (like over a weekend or something).

They answer the phone fast and the person that picks up in all but 1 case has 
resolved my issue(s) within 5 minutes.

OK...I'm done gushing now ;-)

Cheers

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Re: Hey Intermedia, Happy Frickin' New Year!

2006-12-29 Thread Josh Nathanson
 Sounds like they got hacked and are trying to cover up/prevent access of
 compromised accounts.

I bet that's exactly what happened, or maybe they have a disgruntled 
ex-employee with permissions.  They must know they would get a rash of shit 
from their customers, so it wouldn't be in their benefit to do that without 
any warning.  It must have been a necessity.

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Re: Best book for PostgreSQL?

2006-12-29 Thread David Livingston
This might sound a little funny but I have found the online docs to  
be the most useful over all of the books I have bought.
Of course maybe I just bought bad books. ;)
http://www.postgresql.org/docs/

Dave


On Dec 29, 2006, at 1:03 PM, Damien McKenna wrote:

 Anyone have any recommendations for a book to learn PostgreSQL  
 from?  I'm
 thinking intermediate-to-advanced usage, everything from server  
 management
 to custom datatypes, stored procedures, etc.

 There's a book due in March that covers usage on Windows
 (http://mhprofessional.com/product.php?isbn=0071485627) but I  
 really don't
 need four chapters on languages I won't be using, and I suspect it  
 wouldn't
 be advanced enough.

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Re: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Bryan Stevenson
 Robert Mack wrote:
 I had to spring for a
 $1,600 VPS to keep my site alive.

 For $100 more, you could get a Dedicated Server with CFMX for that
 price. Seems kind of spendy to put that kind of money into a VPS.

 Warm regards,
 Jordan Michaels

OK...you both must be talking yearly costs thendedicated should anly be a 
few hundred $ per month

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- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: HostMySite Issue


 Robert Mack wrote:
 I had to spring for a
 $1,600 VPS to keep my site alive.

 For $100 more, you could get a Dedicated Server with CFMX for that
 price. Seems kind of spendy to put that kind of money into a VPS.

 Warm regards,
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Re: Admin Panel Question

2006-12-29 Thread Bruce Sorge
Sure. When they delete the article I assume you are passing through some
unique ID number. Just take that ID number, run an insert query that does a
select sub query of the live article and insert it into the archive table,
then delete the current one. Make sure to wrap it all in a CFTRANSACTION tag
so in case something goes wrong it is not deleted.

Bruce

On 12/29/06, Steve LaBadie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I created an admin panel for a client with the typical add, delete, modify
 features.  My client has a news section on their website along with an
 archive section for old news.  My client wants the old news to be placed in
 the archive section when it is deleted from the current news page through
 the admin panel. Is this possible? Any ideas?

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RE: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Brad Wood
OMG they misspelled ColdFusion.  LOL!  There's no space!!!

(sorry, it's Friday...)

~Brad

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: HostMySite Issue

Well, I suppose it is their prerogative, however to flat out tell a
customer that, there is no way to override that setting is lying.  I
HATE it when customer service tells me they can't doing something
when
what they really mean is they aren't allowed or choose not to allow
for it to happen.

I agree, their emails to me have definitely implied that setting a
timeout is an all-or-nothing situation. Here's the exact message I got:

Correct, this will affect any queries for CF and there is not a way to
bypass this. We currently do not have it in place to exclude anyone,
everyone that runs cold fusion will have to adhere by this rule.

Interesting that they didn't even mention using a VPS as an option
although I did assume that this only applied to shared hosting. 


--- Mary Jo




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What do you name your status variable on db calls?

2006-12-29 Thread David Gardner
Looking for some ideas here.  I'm starting up a new system and am
wondering on a naming convention.

When you make a call to a db stored proc/query/whatever, and you also
return a variable that indicates the status of that call, what do you
name that parameter/variable?

I like the prefix concept because it's easier to see these special
vars and distinguish them from normal fields.

Example:
dbStatus
dbMessage (perhaps to house an error message string, if needed)
dbDateTime (maybe holds time of error for outputting to user)

Or maybe not restricting the prefix to a database only, but make it more broad:

svrStatus
svrMessage
svrDateTime

But is that too broad?  Svr (i.e. Server) pretty much applies to everything.

I'm interested to see how you folks have handled this.

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Re: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
I can completely understand their positionkeep the shared hosting running 
smooth...and it does.  If you need heavier processing...pay for it.

Yes, but breaking *normal* ColdFusion functions in the process is a bit harsh, 
IMO. 


Their online support pages are lightyears ahead of the host we just left.  
Mary 
Joyou were just unlucky in this case.but did you ASK if they had any 
timeout restrictions?? ;-)  

Sure, I always check things like what the CF timeouts are set to, tag 
restrictions, etc. The problem is that cfcontent is not normally effected by 
timeout settings...so it didn't occur to me to ask if they had timeouts outside 
of ColdFusion set that would override normal functions. And they certainly 
didn't volunteer that information. Heck, it took 3 emails back and forth to 
even establish that it was not normal ColdFusion timeouts at issue once I 
started running into problems. If you are doing something so outside the norm, 
it shouldn't be something that you have to dig deeply to find out about. But as 
I said, part of my reason for posting was to make sure other people considering 
using them *do* know about it. 


They answer the phone fast and the person that picks up in all but 1 case has 
resolved my issue(s) within 5 minutes.

I agree. That's why I went with them in the first place. But if they refuse to 
help correct this problem, when I'm doing something perfect reasonably and 
legitimate, I simply will not be able to recommend them anymore. Just as I 
would not recommend a host that gives great support, but turns off 
cffile/cfdirectory tags. 


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Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Bryan Stevenson
 I can completely understand their positionkeep the shared hosting running
smooth...and it does.  If you need heavier processing...pay for it.

 Yes, but breaking *normal* ColdFusion functions in the process is a bit 
 harsh, 
 IMO.

Fair enoughbut there is only one way to keep idiots (not lumping you in 
that 
group) from writing crappy long running garbage and overriding the timeout with 
cfsetting and killing performance.  Granted they are punishing the innocent on 
that onebut business is business...sometimes it sucks.

Their online support pages are lightyears ahead of the host we just left. 
Mary
Joyou were just unlucky in this case.but did you ASK if they had any
timeout restrictions?? ;-)

 Sure, I always check things like what the CF timeouts are set to, tag 
 restrictions, etc. The problem is that cfcontent is not normally effected by 
 timeout settings...so it didn't occur to me to ask if they had timeouts 
 outside of ColdFusion set that would override normal functions. And they 
 certainly didn't volunteer that information. Heck, it took 3 emails back and 
 forth to even establish that it was not normal ColdFusion timeouts at issue 
 once I started running into problems. If you are doing something so outside 
 the norm, it shouldn't be something that you have to dig deeply to find out 
 about. But as I said, part of my reason for posting was to make sure other 
 people considering using them *do* know about it.

Likewise I'm sure it didn't occur to them that certain combinmations of CF code 
would get fouled due to this change.  I'm sure if they could see the future 
they 
would be in Vegas ;-)  As far as not volunteering infothey ain't all CF 
gurus there (although most of them at least have some basics covered).

and yes...ultimately you've done a good deed and given the rest of us the 
heads up...thanks!!

the Devil is surely in the details...

They answer the phone fast and the person that picks up in all but 1 case has
resolved my issue(s) within 5 minutes.

 I agree. That's why I went with them in the first place. But if they refuse 
 to 
 help correct this problem, when I'm doing something perfect reasonably and 
 legitimate, I simply will not be able to recommend them anymore. Just as I 
 would not recommend a host that gives great support, but turns off 
 cffile/cfdirectory tags.

Ask for Jamiehe knows his stuff...too bad he's moved to Sales...ugh!

Sorry if I'm defending my new found hosting starsperhaps I'm a little 
defensive because my service has been so good...hehe

Cheers

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP  Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
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Re: Admin Panel Question

2006-12-29 Thread Christopher Jordan
You could also perhaps have a column in your news table that indicates 
whether an article is old or current. Then all you'd have to change is 
the value of one column for each article that gets deleted. Or maybe 
the extra column would just indicate that the article is archived. So 
the column name could be Archived and the value could be the boolean 
indicating whether it was archived.

How about something like that?

Cheers,
Chris

Bruce Sorge wrote:
 Sure. When they delete the article I assume you are passing through some
 unique ID number. Just take that ID number, run an insert query that does a
 select sub query of the live article and insert it into the archive table,
 then delete the current one. Make sure to wrap it all in a CFTRANSACTION tag
 so in case something goes wrong it is not deleted.

 Bruce

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 I created an admin panel for a client with the typical add, delete, modify
 features.  My client has a news section on their website along with an
 archive section for old news.  My client wants the old news to be placed in
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Re: Hey Intermedia, Happy Frickin' New Year!

2006-12-29 Thread Matt Robertson
 Sounds like this post belongs here too.

Yeah.  Necessity or not, if you pull a stunt like that you call the
troops back in, pay the overtime, field the support calls and do your
best to clean up the mess you caused.

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Re: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
Fair enoughbut there is only one way to keep idiots (not lumping you in 
that 
group) from writing crappy long running garbage and overriding the timeout 
with 
cfsetting and killing performance.  Granted they are punishing the innocent on 
that onebut business is business...sometimes it sucks.

Granted, and I do appreciate the problem, but then refusing to help me override 
the setting for a page that is being effected, one that is crucial to my 
business makes me an awful lot less sympathetic about it. 


Likewise I'm sure it didn't occur to them that certain combinmations of CF 
code 
would get fouled due to this change. 

I would hate to think their knowledge of ColdFusion is so poor as to not 
realize this. Certainly the emails I have received indicate that they were 
aware it would cause issues for some people but proceeded anyway. And they 
certainly are aware of the issue now and are not working to give us options. It 
makes me rather reluctant about going to all the extra work of coding around 
the problem versus moving the site, as that would be a tacit agreement with the 
policy. 


--- Mary Jo






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Re: Hey Intermedia, Happy Frickin' New Year!

2006-12-29 Thread Crow T. Robot
Amen to that.

On 12/29/06, Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Sounds like this post belongs here too.

 Yeah.  Necessity or not, if you pull a stunt like that you call the
 troops back in, pay the overtime, field the support calls and do your
 best to clean up the mess you caused.

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RE: CFID and CFToken

2006-12-29 Thread Snake
Because no everyone has cookies enabled. 

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 December 2006 18:23
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFID and CFToken

I'm not sure why you'd want to do that, (and there may be security risks in
doing so), but the CFID and CFToken are typically stored in the cookie
scope. You could get them from there to add them to all your links.

Cheers,
Chris

Cutter (CFRelated) wrote:
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 variables to every link within a rendered page (if needed)? Links, 
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RE: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Snake
We also apply max timeouts with fusionreactor that causes similar problems,
but if a client has a page that needs to run longer, we ad dit to the
exclusion list.
Perhaps u can ask HMS to do the same.

Russ 

-Original Message-
From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 December 2006 17:13
To: CF-Talk
Subject: HostMySite Issue

I recently moved my site to HostMySite and am now having major problems as a
result. Here's the issue: I use a cfcontent tag to send downloaded software
down to the client, as is commonly done so the file can be kept in a secure
location. The file is around 10 megs so can take anywhere from 10-15 seconds
to a minute or two to download. The problem is that HMS is using SeeFusion
and has recently set it to end any threads running more than 50 seconds.
This is a major problem because it overrides normal ColdFusion behavior that
allows tags like cfcontent and cfftp to run to completion. And it even
overrides use of a cfsetting tag for pages you expect to take awhile to run
so I have no way to override this. So now my customers go to download the
software and for many, it keeps timing out on them, and the customer tries
again and again until they run out of download attemptsand then of
course I get an annoyed email and have to deal with sending them the file
another way. HostMySite's suggestion? Use ASPUpload instead! They say they
have no problem with the setting causing problems for some people if it
keeps the servers running better for everyone else.

So this post is for two reasons...to warn anyone that might be considering
using HMS shared hosting that they better not ever need a ColdFusion page to
run more than 50 seconds. And to see if anyone knows of a way to get the
cfcontent to complete faster. Is there any way to get the thread to run to
completion without it having to wait for the client to receive the entire
file? Any other options I could look at that will integrate into ColdFusion?


I hope that when the improved server monitoring with Scorpio comes out that
will allow for better handling of things like this. I totally appreciate the
need to kill hanging threads and keep the server up and running. But I
totally disagree with being able to override normal use of ColdFusion like
this. 


--- Mary Jo



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Re: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
We also apply max timeouts with fusionreactor that causes similar problems,
but if a client has a page that needs to run longer, we ad dit to the
exclusion list.
Perhaps u can ask HMS to do the same.

I'm trying! But as others in the thread have mentioned, this seems to be their 
policy on shared servers, no exceptions or exclusions.

Oh, just thought of another instance where my customers will be effected by 
this...those that use verity searching on their stores, the indexing often will 
take a couple minutes to run if they have a lot of pages and products. So this 
will kill that process as well.


--- Mary Jo

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RE: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Snake
While I understand their need ot do this (we do it too), 50 seconds is just
too low.

Russ 

-Original Message-
From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 December 2006 22:13
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: HostMySite Issue

We also apply max timeouts with fusionreactor that causes similar 
problems, but if a client has a page that needs to run longer, we ad 
dit to the exclusion list.
Perhaps u can ask HMS to do the same.

I'm trying! But as others in the thread have mentioned, this seems to be
their policy on shared servers, no exceptions or exclusions.

Oh, just thought of another instance where my customers will be effected by
this...those that use verity searching on their stores, the indexing often
will take a couple minutes to run if they have a lot of pages and products.
So this will kill that process as well.


--- Mary Jo



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Re: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread James Holmes
All I can suggest, if they won't make an exception, is to find a
different provider that is a better fit for you. I've been at the
other end of this problem at HMS, where I've had sites that won't stay
up because someone else is taking out the server with long running
templates or some other code issue and I've had to move to a different
HMS shared server.

Even if your need is legit, you must be able to see what their problem
is: let's say (for example) there's 10 threads available to CF and
someone's downloads take 5 minutes each. That means that we only need
10 people to do those downloads at the same time and the server will
be completely unresponsive to anyone else for 5 minutes. Perhaps a VPS
or dedicated solution is necessary in this case (or rewrite the code
so it doesn't tie up a thread for the whole download).

On 12/30/06, Mary Jo Sminkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We also apply max timeouts with fusionreactor that causes similar problems,
 but if a client has a page that needs to run longer, we ad dit to the
 exclusion list.
 Perhaps u can ask HMS to do the same.

 I'm trying! But as others in the thread have mentioned, this seems to be 
 their policy on shared servers, no exceptions or exclusions.

 Oh, just thought of another instance where my customers will be effected by 
 this...those that use verity searching on their stores, the indexing often 
 will take a couple minutes to run if they have a lot of pages and products. 
 So this will kill that process as well.


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OT: CD Storage and Read Device

2006-12-29 Thread Rick Faircloth
Hi, all.

I thought perhaps one of you might know of a device like this.

I've searched the Internet many times looking for one and can't
locate one.not even sure one exists.

I'm looking for a CD/DVD storage unit that hooks into a computer
and not only allows info to be entered into a database so the
device can find the disk desired, but I also want a unit will play
the CD/DVD.

I've found several that will find the disk based on content searches
and then spit it out for me to play in my DVD player, but none
that incorporate a playback unit.

Anyone know of something like this?

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Re: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Jim Wright
I know that there are quite a few HMS users on this list, and I would 
say they have probably benefited from the recommendations they have 
received from users here.  It might help if users of their service from 
this list were to inform them of our feelings on this issue...something 
to the effect of...

Dear HostMySite,

While I understand and appreciate your need to limit rogue processes 
through the 50 second timeout in SeeFusion, I also feel that there are 
exceptions to this rule that should be allowed for proper running of 
legitimate operations.  It has come to my attention that this timeout is 
affecting the sites of other users, and I am concerned that it may 
affect my sites now or in the future.

I would appreciate it if HostMySite would implement an exception policy 
where certain processes could be allowed to exceed the 50 second 
timeout.  I understand that this type of exception is possible with 
SeeFusion.

Thank you for your consideration of this issue, and also for the 
excellent service and support I have come to expect from your organization.

Thank you,
Jim Wright

(list of sites hosted)


I'll probably send this on myself, as I am concerned that the 50 second 
timeout will affect some import scripts I use that resize photos.  Feel 
free to use the text of it for your own message if you feel so inclined.

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Re: HostMySite Issue

2006-12-29 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
Even if your need is legit, you must be able to see what their problem
is: let's say (for example) there's 10 threads available to CF and
someone's downloads take 5 minutes each. That means that we only need
10 people to do those downloads at the same time and the server will
be completely unresponsive to anyone else for 5 minutes. Perhaps a VPS
or dedicated solution is necessary in this case (or rewrite the code
so it doesn't tie up a thread for the whole download).

Isn't that where SeeFusion would come in, so you can see where the excessively 
running threads are occuring?? Certainly if they set up an exception like I am 
asking, and then see lots of threads constantly being taken up then it would be 
totally appropriate to ask that I move to a dedicated or VPS solution. But I 
have maybe one download occuring a day, if even that. On a really busy day, 
there might be 3 or 4 people downloading over the course of the day. And this 
is not that huge a file...I wouldn't be seeing nearly as many issues if the 
timeout was set to 2 minutes. The users that have had problems have generally 
been more than 3/4 of the way through downloading the file when it timed out. 

However, I think I am making some progress in getting them to set up an 
exception for me, thanks to the information I have gotten here. I still have 
concerns about other tasks that may run over that time limit but most I should 
be able to more easily work around. And if I ever do start selling so much of 
my software as to have tons of downloads a day, I will be more than happy to 
deal with getting a dedicated server. ;-) 


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Re: OT: CD Storage and Read Device

2006-12-29 Thread Kyle Hayes
Though a funny question to ask on Cf-talk, I have nonetheless found  
the closest thing to what you are requiring. However, it seems that  
it requires Linux:

http://users.tkk.fi/~shaavist/slink/

There you go,
Kyle

On Dec 29, 2006, at 4:29 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:

 Hi, all.

 I thought perhaps one of you might know of a device like this.

 I've searched the Internet many times looking for one and can't
 locate one.not even sure one exists.

 I'm looking for a CD/DVD storage unit that hooks into a computer
 and not only allows info to be entered into a database so the
 device can find the disk desired, but I also want a unit will play
 the CD/DVD.

 I've found several that will find the disk based on content searches
 and then spit it out for me to play in my DVD player, but none
 that incorporate a playback unit.

 Anyone know of something like this?

 Rick



 

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RE: OT: CD Storage and Read Device

2006-12-29 Thread Rick Faircloth
Strange question... I know... I'm just desperate.

Thanks for the info.

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Kyle Hayes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OT: CD Storage and Read Device

Though a funny question to ask on Cf-talk, I have nonetheless found  
the closest thing to what you are requiring. However, it seems that  
it requires Linux:

http://users.tkk.fi/~shaavist/slink/

There you go,
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Re: CFID and CFToken

2006-12-29 Thread John Cox
  Does anyone know of a way to programmatically add the CFID and CFToken
  variables to every link within a rendered page (if needed)? Links,
  form actions, etc., via some regex or something.
 



I believe URLSessionFormat is what you are looking for.

http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/6.1/htmldocs/funca115.htm

Maybe not though.


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Re: Best book for PostgreSQL?

2006-12-29 Thread Damien McKenna
On 12/29/06 5:09 PM, David Livingston wrote:
 This might sound a little funny but I have found the online docs to
 be the most useful over all of the books I have bought.

I don't always want to carry around my PowerMac + 19 monitor to read a
book, plus its tricky to hold the screen steady while on The Thinking
Chamber.
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