Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat? NOW SHOWERS

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

The shower on the 35 MKI must be similar to the one on my MKII so i don’t
quite understand what gives rise to your comments Joe. Definitey not like
the big acrylic shower and home but totally adequate for a 35 foot boat.
The biggest issue with showering daily while cruising is the amount of
water the tanks carry. When cruising we both shower everyday so our water
lasts only 4 days or so before we need to take in more but by that time we
usually need fresh supply of food as well. Alianna has oiled teak and not
oiled every year either and i have cetol coated(1 coat only) teak and holly
sole throughout and teak bulkheads and cabinetry very well made i think by
a marine carpenter back in 1974. My teak is in beautiful condition despite
years of showering and my bilge is clean and odor free. We do not have any
issues, in fact we receive kind remarks about the appearance and lack of
any odor in the boat including nasty fuel odors common in some boats. We
have a solar powered vent an the main cabin and the 2 dorades have long
since been replaced by low profile stainless vents.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 10:46 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I don’t consider the shower on our 35 MK I really useable. You can squirt
> water on yourself for sure, but it makes a mess and I think using it every
> day as a liveaboard would not have any good results for the woodwork nor
> the general ambience of the bilge.
>
> In warm weather I use a plastic “camping shower” thing that has an
> inflatable top and makes a phone booth sized enclosure. We shower in the
> cockpit with it.
>
> The Landfall series have IMHO nice showers for daily use.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *dwight
> veinot via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, April 29, 2019 4:40 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* dwight veinot 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?
>
>
>
> Yes the stand up shower on the 35 works fine with pressurized hot and cold
> hand held.  Very nice and good for several showers
>
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat? NOW SHOWERS

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I don’t consider the shower on our 35 MK I really useable. You can squirt water 
on yourself for sure, but it makes a mess and I think using it every day as a 
liveaboard would not have any good results for the woodwork nor the general 
ambience of the bilge.
In warm weather I use a plastic “camping shower” thing that has an inflatable 
top and makes a phone booth sized enclosure. We shower in the cockpit with it.
The Landfall series have IMHO nice showers for daily use.

Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight 
veinot via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 4:40 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: dwight veinot 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

Yes the stand up shower on the 35 works fine with pressurized hot and cold hand 
held.  Very nice and good for several showers

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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Yes the stand up shower on the 35 works fine with pressurized hot and cold
hand held.  Very nice and good for several showers

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 11:26 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Being able to change course while running down a big wave is very
> important! A lot of the older traditional full keel boats could have a lot
> of difficulty with this.
>
> My brother did get over enthusiastic on one wave with going straight down
> a wave and I can report that the boat will resurface even if totally
> stuffed underwater. YMMV if you have any hatches open!
>
>
>
> Then there is other side of the coin – an offshore boat can also be a
> retirement home and spend vastly more time at anchor then in rough seas
> offshore. Many C are fairly cramped as far as being a house goes. My
> wife has informed me NFW are we living on any boats she can’t take a shower
> in for one example of this issue L
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen
> Thorne via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, April 29, 2019 7:34 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Stephen Thorne 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?
>
>
>
> I agree with Josh on all points.  When I bought Deja Vu' I intended to
> sail offshore on certain races but with most of the time local sailing &
> racing on Lake Ponchatrain and the Gulf Coast area.  We ended up doing a
> lot more offshore sailing that originally planned and for the most part she
> proved to be more than capable to handle the rigors of open ocean sailing.
> One of many things about the boats performance that stood out was
> maintaining almost perfect balance and steering control in large following
> seas.  Because of deep rudder? we all marveled at how much control we had
> at helm, boat never felt out of control.  This was always helpful and
> especially sailing 145-155 degrees in 20' rolling seas where we didn't want
> to go to the bottom of a wave trough under speed not being able to pivot.
> <<< Otherwise we might have renamed her "Nautilus" ;) >>>>
>
>
>
> If I had been looking for a boat specifically to go cruising for long
> extended periods to far off shores I would not have chosen a C, not
> because the boat couldn't handle it but because I would want more creature
> comforts.  Our sailing now will mostly be on Lake Lanier, but we still have
> Deja Vu' and all those great off shore adventures in our memories.
>
>
>
> Steve Thorne
>
> S/V Deja Vu'
>
> C 34/36+
>
> Atlanta, GA
>
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat? And more 35-2 decision avoidance...

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

I always preferred Beta myself... but either would go nicely with one of
the old rotary depth sounder displays. One of the fun parts of looking at
old bolts is seeing some of the old gear that brings back memories!

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 11:44 AM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I really like the VHS radio, rather than the bothersome Betamax ones.
>
>
>
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Stus-List C as offshore boat? And more 35-2 decision avoidance...

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I really like the VHS radio, rather than the bothersome Betamax ones.

At 11:09 AM 4/29/2019, you wrote:

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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 18:08:44 +
From: "Della Barba, Joe" 
To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" 
Subject: Stus-List C as offshore boat? And more 35-2 decision
avoidance...
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Better photos on this one:
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/boa/d/tracys-landing-rare-classic-cc-mark/6875474074.html

If I wanted a diesel engine, it would be cheaper 
for me to just buy this boat than to pay a yard to put an engine in my boat.


Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I



.¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com


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Stus-List C as offshore boat? And more 35-2 decision avoidance...

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Better photos on this one:
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/boa/d/tracys-landing-rare-classic-cc-mark/6875474074.html

If I wanted a diesel engine, it would be cheaper for me to just buy this boat 
than to pay a yard to put an engine in my boat.

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Wright 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 12:32 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat? And more 35-2 decision 
avoidance...

Where is this MK1 located? The only MK1 I've seen near me is asking $32K CAD 
with an A4.

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 9:18 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
There is a MK I going begging here that seems to be in much better shape 
including a 2003 diesel engine for $14K USD.
If that boat is as big of a mess like she seems like, I would offer 10 and see 
what happens.

Joe

From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On 
Behalf Of Frederick G Street via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 12:07 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Frederick G Street mailto:f...@postaudio.net>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat? And more 35-2 decision 
avoidance...

Shawn — am I correct in recalling you’re talking Canadian dollars?  If so, 
$21500 CAD is around $16000 USD at today’s exchange rate.  That’s a pretty low 
amount for a decent shape 35-foot C, even given its quirks.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Apr 29, 2019, at 9:54 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I'm glad to see such great dialog on this topic, and appreciate all the varied 
responses. Someone on the C FB group posted a video from a race in Ladysmith 
on Saturday, with only 3 boats braving the 25-40kn winds. I was sitting on the 
35-2 at the dock that day and felt her shudder under the gusts. In the video I 
noticed how well the C 29 (mk2 I think) handled the conditions, cutting 
cleanly through the waves, while another boat, in the 32-35' range, with longer 
overhangs, was bobbing and hobby-horsing in the small chop. Of course, the C 
easily outsailed the larger boat, and looking far more comfortable doing it.

My wife and I spent some time on the boat last night with plan to make a final 
decision - we made a list of pros/cons for the boat, but still couldn't make a 
final decision, except to agree that we both feel it is overpriced. There are 
two many things that need attention before we can feel good about this boat:

Electrical - she had a dream that the boat had an electrical fire. I might put 
this down to her fears, if I hadn't found the live battery cables for the third 
battery bank sitting uninsulated - these cables making contact could have 
easily started a fire. So I have to wonder what else is at risk.

Cleaning - the boat is dirty inside and will require several days of cleaning. 
It is tidy, but looks like it hasn't had a good deep clean in years. The 
cushions may be original, and there is a musty boat smell which is likely in 
the foam. The zippers are seized, so removing the covers (they are otherwise in 
ok shape - oatmeal coloured fabric) may destroy them. The seat backs are 
stapled in, so there is no good way to clean them aside from a surface clean. 
So the old boat smell may not be easy to resolve, and new cushions is several 
boat bucks I expect, even if we do some work ourselves.

Interior condition - many holes in the ceiling liner, some of them filled with 
epoxy leaving yellow stains which may be impossible to remove, even if I can 
cover the holes. Most of the teak panels have some kind of holes or damage in 
them, not horrible, but still detracts from the feel of the interior. No water 
damage fortunately.

So the boat is being hauled tomorrow (I paid for). I will call the owner today 
to discuss, but I doubt he will be willing to make any concessions on the deal, 
so that may be the end of it. If he is willing to drop the price to $20K so I 
can put toward new electrical and cushion cleaning/repair, there is a chance we 
would go ahead, but this still leaves a whole lot of work for me to do in two 
weeks.

I just keep hoping another suitable boat will come along to make it easier to 
walk away from this one, but anything less than another 35 will seem like a 
step down.

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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat? And more 35-2 decision avoidance...

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Where is this MK1 located? The only MK1 I've seen near me is asking $32K
CAD with an A4.

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 9:18 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> There is a MK I going begging here that seems to be in much better shape
> including a 2003 diesel engine for $14K USD.
>
> If that boat is as big of a mess like she seems like, I would offer 10 and
> see what happens.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
> *Frederick
> G Street via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, April 29, 2019 12:07 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Frederick G Street 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat? And more 35-2
> decision avoidance...
>
>
>
> Shawn — am I correct in recalling you’re talking Canadian dollars?  If so,
> $21500 CAD is around $16000 USD at today’s exchange rate.  That’s a pretty
> low amount for a decent shape 35-foot C, even given its quirks.
>
>
>
> — Fred
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
>
>
> On Apr 29, 2019, at 9:54 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I'm glad to see such great dialog on this topic, and appreciate all the
> varied responses. Someone on the C FB group posted a video from a race in
> Ladysmith on Saturday, with only 3 boats braving the 25-40kn winds. I was
> sitting on the 35-2 at the dock that day and felt her shudder under the
> gusts. In the video I noticed how well the C 29 (mk2 I think) handled the
> conditions, cutting cleanly through the waves, while another boat, in the
> 32-35' range, with longer overhangs, was bobbing and hobby-horsing in the
> small chop. Of course, the C easily outsailed the larger boat, and
> looking far more comfortable doing it.
>
>
>
> My wife and I spent some time on the boat last night with plan to make a
> final decision - we made a list of pros/cons for the boat, but still
> couldn't make a final decision, except to agree that we both feel it is
> overpriced. There are two many things that need attention before we can
> feel good about this boat:
>
>
>
> Electrical - she had a dream that the boat had an electrical fire. I might
> put this down to her fears, if I hadn't found the live battery cables for
> the third battery bank sitting uninsulated - these cables making contact
> could have easily started a fire. So I have to wonder what else is at risk.
>
>
>
> Cleaning - the boat is dirty inside and will require several days of
> cleaning. It is tidy, but looks like it hasn't had a good deep clean in
> years. The cushions may be original, and there is a musty boat smell which
> is likely in the foam. The zippers are seized, so removing the covers (they
> are otherwise in ok shape - oatmeal coloured fabric) may destroy them. The
> seat backs are stapled in, so there is no good way to clean them aside from
> a surface clean. So the old boat smell may not be easy to resolve, and new
> cushions is several boat bucks I expect, even if we do some work ourselves.
>
>
>
> Interior condition - many holes in the ceiling liner, some of them filled
> with epoxy leaving yellow stains which may be impossible to remove, even if
> I can cover the holes. Most of the teak panels have some kind of holes or
> damage in them, not horrible, but still detracts from the feel of the
> interior. No water damage fortunately.
>
>
>
> So the boat is being hauled tomorrow (I paid for). I will call the owner
> today to discuss, but I doubt he will be willing to make any concessions on
> the deal, so that may be the end of it. If he is willing to drop the price
> to $20K so I can put toward new electrical and cushion cleaning/repair,
> there is a chance we would go ahead, but this still leaves a whole lot of
> work for me to do in two weeks.
>
>
>
> I just keep hoping another suitable boat will come along to make it easier
> to walk away from this one, but anything less than another 35 will seem
> like a step down.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat? And more 35-2 decision avoidance...

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

There is a MK I going begging here that seems to be in much better shape 
including a 2003 diesel engine for $14K USD.
If that boat is as big of a mess like she seems like, I would offer 10 and see 
what happens.

Joe

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 12:07 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat? And more 35-2 decision 
avoidance...

Shawn — am I correct in recalling you’re talking Canadian dollars?  If so, 
$21500 CAD is around $16000 USD at today’s exchange rate.  That’s a pretty low 
amount for a decent shape 35-foot C, even given its quirks.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(


On Apr 29, 2019, at 9:54 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I'm glad to see such great dialog on this topic, and appreciate all the varied 
responses. Someone on the C FB group posted a video from a race in Ladysmith 
on Saturday, with only 3 boats braving the 25-40kn winds. I was sitting on the 
35-2 at the dock that day and felt her shudder under the gusts. In the video I 
noticed how well the C 29 (mk2 I think) handled the conditions, cutting 
cleanly through the waves, while another boat, in the 32-35' range, with longer 
overhangs, was bobbing and hobby-horsing in the small chop. Of course, the C 
easily outsailed the larger boat, and looking far more comfortable doing it.

My wife and I spent some time on the boat last night with plan to make a final 
decision - we made a list of pros/cons for the boat, but still couldn't make a 
final decision, except to agree that we both feel it is overpriced. There are 
two many things that need attention before we can feel good about this boat:

Electrical - she had a dream that the boat had an electrical fire. I might put 
this down to her fears, if I hadn't found the live battery cables for the third 
battery bank sitting uninsulated - these cables making contact could have 
easily started a fire. So I have to wonder what else is at risk.

Cleaning - the boat is dirty inside and will require several days of cleaning. 
It is tidy, but looks like it hasn't had a good deep clean in years. The 
cushions may be original, and there is a musty boat smell which is likely in 
the foam. The zippers are seized, so removing the covers (they are otherwise in 
ok shape - oatmeal coloured fabric) may destroy them. The seat backs are 
stapled in, so there is no good way to clean them aside from a surface clean. 
So the old boat smell may not be easy to resolve, and new cushions is several 
boat bucks I expect, even if we do some work ourselves.

Interior condition - many holes in the ceiling liner, some of them filled with 
epoxy leaving yellow stains which may be impossible to remove, even if I can 
cover the holes. Most of the teak panels have some kind of holes or damage in 
them, not horrible, but still detracts from the feel of the interior. No water 
damage fortunately.

So the boat is being hauled tomorrow (I paid for). I will call the owner today 
to discuss, but I doubt he will be willing to make any concessions on the deal, 
so that may be the end of it. If he is willing to drop the price to $20K so I 
can put toward new electrical and cushion cleaning/repair, there is a chance we 
would go ahead, but this still leaves a whole lot of work for me to do in two 
weeks.

I just keep hoping another suitable boat will come along to make it easier to 
walk away from this one, but anything less than another 35 will seem like a 
step down.

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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat? And more 35-2 decision avoidance...

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Shawn — am I correct in recalling you’re talking Canadian dollars?  If so, 
$21500 CAD is around $16000 USD at today’s exchange rate.  That’s a pretty low 
amount for a decent shape 35-foot C, even given its quirks.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 29, 2019, at 9:54 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm glad to see such great dialog on this topic, and appreciate all the 
> varied responses. Someone on the C FB group posted a video from a race in 
> Ladysmith on Saturday, with only 3 boats braving the 25-40kn winds. I was 
> sitting on the 35-2 at the dock that day and felt her shudder under the 
> gusts. In the video I noticed how well the C 29 (mk2 I think) handled the 
> conditions, cutting cleanly through the waves, while another boat, in the 
> 32-35' range, with longer overhangs, was bobbing and hobby-horsing in the 
> small chop. Of course, the C easily outsailed the larger boat, and looking 
> far more comfortable doing it.
> 
> My wife and I spent some time on the boat last night with plan to make a 
> final decision - we made a list of pros/cons for the boat, but still couldn't 
> make a final decision, except to agree that we both feel it is overpriced. 
> There are two many things that need attention before we can feel good about 
> this boat:
> 
> Electrical - she had a dream that the boat had an electrical fire. I might 
> put this down to her fears, if I hadn't found the live battery cables for the 
> third battery bank sitting uninsulated - these cables making contact could 
> have easily started a fire. So I have to wonder what else is at risk.
> 
> Cleaning - the boat is dirty inside and will require several days of 
> cleaning. It is tidy, but looks like it hasn't had a good deep clean in 
> years. The cushions may be original, and there is a musty boat smell which is 
> likely in the foam. The zippers are seized, so removing the covers (they are 
> otherwise in ok shape - oatmeal coloured fabric) may destroy them. The seat 
> backs are stapled in, so there is no good way to clean them aside from a 
> surface clean. So the old boat smell may not be easy to resolve, and new 
> cushions is several boat bucks I expect, even if we do some work ourselves.
> 
> Interior condition - many holes in the ceiling liner, some of them filled 
> with epoxy leaving yellow stains which may be impossible to remove, even if I 
> can cover the holes. Most of the teak panels have some kind of holes or 
> damage in them, not horrible, but still detracts from the feel of the 
> interior. No water damage fortunately. 
> 
> So the boat is being hauled tomorrow (I paid for). I will call the owner 
> today to discuss, but I doubt he will be willing to make any concessions on 
> the deal, so that may be the end of it. If he is willing to drop the price to 
> $20K so I can put toward new electrical and cushion cleaning/repair, there is 
> a chance we would go ahead, but this still leaves a whole lot of work for me 
> to do in two weeks. 
> 
> I just keep hoping another suitable boat will come along to make it easier to 
> walk away from this one, but anything less than another 35 will seem like a 
> step down.

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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat? And more 35-2 decision avoidance...

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

I'm glad to see such great dialog on this topic, and appreciate all the
varied responses. Someone on the C FB group posted a video from a race in
Ladysmith on Saturday, with only 3 boats braving the 25-40kn winds. I was
sitting on the 35-2 at the dock that day and felt her shudder under the
gusts. In the video I noticed how well the C 29 (mk2 I think) handled the
conditions, cutting cleanly through the waves, while another boat, in the
32-35' range, with longer overhangs, was bobbing and hobby-horsing in the
small chop. Of course, the C easily outsailed the larger boat, and
looking far more comfortable doing it.

My wife and I spent some time on the boat last night with plan to make a
final decision - we made a list of pros/cons for the boat, but still
couldn't make a final decision, except to agree that we both feel it is
overpriced. There are two many things that need attention before we can
feel good about this boat:

Electrical - she had a dream that the boat had an electrical fire. I might
put this down to her fears, if I hadn't found the live battery cables for
the third battery bank sitting uninsulated - these cables making contact
could have easily started a fire. So I have to wonder what else is at risk.

Cleaning - the boat is dirty inside and will require several days of
cleaning. It is tidy, but looks like it hasn't had a good deep clean in
years. The cushions may be original, and there is a musty boat smell which
is likely in the foam. The zippers are seized, so removing the covers (they
are otherwise in ok shape - oatmeal coloured fabric) may destroy them. The
seat backs are stapled in, so there is no good way to clean them aside from
a surface clean. So the old boat smell may not be easy to resolve, and new
cushions is several boat bucks I expect, even if we do some work ourselves.

Interior condition - many holes in the ceiling liner, some of them filled
with epoxy leaving yellow stains which may be impossible to remove, even if
I can cover the holes. Most of the teak panels have some kind of holes or
damage in them, not horrible, but still detracts from the feel of the
interior. No water damage fortunately.

So the boat is being hauled tomorrow (I paid for). I will call the owner
today to discuss, but I doubt he will be willing to make any concessions on
the deal, so that may be the end of it. If he is willing to drop the price
to $20K so I can put toward new electrical and cushion cleaning/repair,
there is a chance we would go ahead, but this still leaves a whole lot of
work for me to do in two weeks.

I just keep hoping another suitable boat will come along to make it easier
to walk away from this one, but anything less than another 35 will seem
like a step down.


On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 7:26 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Being able to change course while running down a big wave is very
> important! A lot of the older traditional full keel boats could have a lot
> of difficulty with this.
>
> My brother did get over enthusiastic on one wave with going straight down
> a wave and I can report that the boat will resurface even if totally
> stuffed underwater. YMMV if you have any hatches open!
>
>
>
> Then there is other side of the coin – an offshore boat can also be a
> retirement home and spend vastly more time at anchor then in rough seas
> offshore. Many C are fairly cramped as far as being a house goes. My
> wife has informed me NFW are we living on any boats she can’t take a shower
> in for one example of this issue L
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen
> Thorne via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, April 29, 2019 7:34 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Stephen Thorne 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?
>
>
>
> I agree with Josh on all points.  When I bought Deja Vu' I intended to
> sail offshore on certain races but with most of the time local sailing &
> racing on Lake Ponchatrain and the Gulf Coast area.  We ended up doing a
> lot more offshore sailing that originally planned and for the most part she
> proved to be more than capable to handle the rigors of open ocean sailing.
> One of many things about the boats performance that stood out was
> maintaining almost perfect balance and steering control in large following
> seas.  Because of deep rudder? we all marveled at how much control we had
> at helm, boat never felt out of control.  This was always helpful and
> especially sailing 145-155 degrees in 20' rolling seas where we didn't want
> to go to the bottom of a wave trough under speed not being able to pivot.
> <<< Otherwise we might have renamed her "Nautilus" ;) >>>>
>
>
>
> If I had been looking for a boat specifically to go

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Being able to change course while running down a big wave is very important! A 
lot of the older traditional full keel boats could have a lot of difficulty 
with this.
My brother did get over enthusiastic on one wave with going straight down a 
wave and I can report that the boat will resurface even if totally stuffed 
underwater. YMMV if you have any hatches open!

Then there is other side of the coin – an offshore boat can also be a 
retirement home and spend vastly more time at anchor then in rough seas 
offshore. Many C are fairly cramped as far as being a house goes. My wife 
has informed me NFW are we living on any boats she can’t take a shower in for 
one example of this issue ☹

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stephen 
Thorne via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 7:34 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stephen Thorne 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

I agree with Josh on all points.  When I bought Deja Vu' I intended to sail 
offshore on certain races but with most of the time local sailing & racing on 
Lake Ponchatrain and the Gulf Coast area.  We ended up doing a lot more 
offshore sailing that originally planned and for the most part she proved to be 
more than capable to handle the rigors of open ocean sailing.  One of many 
things about the boats performance that stood out was maintaining almost 
perfect balance and steering control in large following seas.  Because of deep 
rudder? we all marveled at how much control we had at helm, boat never felt out 
of control.  This was always helpful and especially sailing 145-155 degrees in 
20' rolling seas where we didn't want to go to the bottom of a wave trough 
under speed not being able to pivot. <<< Otherwise we might have renamed her 
"Nautilus" ;) >>>>

If I had been looking for a boat specifically to go cruising for long extended 
periods to far off shores I would not have chosen a C, not because the boat 
couldn't handle it but because I would want more creature comforts.  Our 
sailing now will mostly be on Lake Lanier, but we still have Deja Vu' and all 
those great off shore adventures in our memories.

Steve Thorne
S/V Deja Vu'
C 34/36+
Atlanta, GA
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

I agree with Josh on all points.  When I bought Deja Vu' I intended to sail
offshore on certain races but with most of the time local sailing & racing
on Lake Ponchatrain and the Gulf Coast area.  We ended up doing a lot more
offshore sailing that originally planned and for the most part she proved
to be more than capable to handle the rigors of open ocean sailing.  One of
many things about the boats performance that stood out was maintaining
almost perfect balance and steering control in large following seas.
Because of deep rudder? we all marveled at how much control we had at helm,
boat never felt out of control.  This was always helpful and especially
sailing 145-155 degrees in 20' rolling seas where we didn't want to go to
the bottom of a wave trough under speed not being able to pivot.  Otherwise
we might have renamed her "Nautilus" ;)

If I had been looking for a boat specifically to go cruising for long
extended periods to far off shores I would not have chosen a C, not
because the boat couldn't handle it but because I would want more creature
comforts.  Our sailing now will mostly be on Lake Lanier, but we still have
Deja Vu' and all those great off shore adventures in our memories.

Steve Thorne
S/V Deja Vu'
C 34/36+
Atlanta, GA

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 9:03 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Interesting discussion - thanks Shawn for launching it.
>
> Last October at Emerald Bay, Catalina Island I moored a chartered Catalina
> 390 next to C 30 MK I hull #493, “Katherine Patricia,” hailing port
> Berkeley, CA.  I spoke with her owner Alexander Simpson, who is not on this
> mail list as far as I know, but is on the C owners’ Facebook group.  He
> said he’d sailed her from the West Coast to Hawaii and back.  We didn’t
> discuss what kind of conditions he encountered.  But he did say that in
> preparation he’d resealed the deck / hull joint (with 5200, which made me
> wonder if that’s the right material for that job).  His boat was also set
> up with a self-steering wind vane and an asymmetrical spinnaker.
>
> I’ve also seen a couple 35-40’ C in marinas at Harbor Island, San
> Diego, but have no idea if or where those boats have sailed.  Maybe down
> Mexico way.
>
> As for Grenadine, the worst conditions I’ve been in were 48mph gusts at
> Chatfield Reservoir. We saw it coming and doused the headsail before
> getting hit, but had to motor head-to-wind into the shadow of the dam to
> douse the main safely, then motored to the marina and took two tries to get
> into the slip.  Sea state is not that big an issue on my lake.  So all that
> doesn’t really apply to your question.  But having said that, I chartered a
> Bali 4.5 cat in the BVI a few weeks ago.  We had some 25kt days, with 6’
> wind waves, and another day with a 5’ east swell, and I would have loved to
> sail Grenadine down there.  I’m sure she would have handled it just fine,
> and loved it.  Didn’t happen to see any C on that trip, and not for lack
> of looking.
>
> Josh I’d be interested in that article you referred to, if you can find it.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
> On Apr 24, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 1I saw a C in Uruguay.  It's hailing port was in Delaware.  So there is
> that.
>
> My experience and my the reports from others is that C are generally
> well built, strong boats.  That being said, "Are the good blue water
> boats?"  I would suggest no.  They typically have less tankage than other
> similar sized boats.  They often have fin keels that create a flat spot
> forward of the keel.  This can result in a pretty good pounding with the
> right wave height and frequency.  Most of them were catering to the
> racer-cruiser an as a result tend to carry a bit more sail for the racer
> but as a cruiser often had shorter than appropriate keels.
>
> Many people have blue water dreams and end up buying the perfect bluewater
> boats.  Then they have extreme difficulty untying the lines.  Now they are
> stuck not having fun in their local tributaries with anything less than 15
> kts of wind.  I say buy the boat that fits where you are sailing now.  Not
> where you think you will be sailing in the future.  You can always buy and
> sell later.
>
> I have an article that may be pertinent to your concerns.  If I find it
> I'll forward it to you.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 11:22 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
>> boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so,
>> which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
>> gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C,
>> and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
>> about taking it offshore?
>>
>> 

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Our boat is the same, there was a bit of creaking over the starboard
bulkhead when I walked over it. So I sprayed it with McLube. Fixed.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 at 19:34, Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Another day of 20-30kn winds in the harbour, so no sailing, although I did
> spend a few hours on the boat listening to some creaking. The bulkheads
> either side of the head being somewhat loose where they meet the cabin top
> liner worries me a bit.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 9:10 AM Jim Watts via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> First, I think your idea of getting a boat that you can use right now is
>> a good idea. By the time you are ready for bluewater, you will have a much
>> better idea of what boat you want for that purpose.
>> The 35-3 does tend to pound in waves going upwind, it's just a function
>> of that flat bottom in front of the keel. Heeled at 20 degrees, it doesn't
>> pound as much, but living at that angle of heel for days at a time is not a
>> lot of fun. The PS 44, at twice the displacement, has a much different hull
>> profile, it doesn't pound and is much more seakindly. The 44 also has major
>> tankage, food storage, battery space, an excellent shower, and costs about
>> ten times the value of our 35. It certainly is no faster than the 35.
>> If you want to see some pix of the trip down the coast, look here:
>> http://sailvalis.com/wordpress_1/?p=597
>>
>>
>> Jim Watts
>> Paradigm Shift
>> C 35 Mk III
>> Victoria, BC
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 at 10:05, Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jim,
>>>
>>> When you say very uncomfortable, do you mean because your 35-3 would be
>>> slamming into waves in rough conditions? I see that the PS 44 is about
>>> twice the displacement of the 35, so that makes a big difference I guess.
>>> We have some sailing to do before we'll attempt anything like that!
>>>
>>>
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Another day of 20-30kn winds in the harbour, so no sailing, although I did
spend a few hours on the boat listening to some creaking. The bulkheads
either side of the head being somewhat loose where they meet the cabin top
liner worries me a bit.



On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 9:10 AM Jim Watts via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> First, I think your idea of getting a boat that you can use right now is a
> good idea. By the time you are ready for bluewater, you will have a much
> better idea of what boat you want for that purpose.
> The 35-3 does tend to pound in waves going upwind, it's just a function of
> that flat bottom in front of the keel. Heeled at 20 degrees, it doesn't
> pound as much, but living at that angle of heel for days at a time is not a
> lot of fun. The PS 44, at twice the displacement, has a much different hull
> profile, it doesn't pound and is much more seakindly. The 44 also has major
> tankage, food storage, battery space, an excellent shower, and costs about
> ten times the value of our 35. It certainly is no faster than the 35.
> If you want to see some pix of the trip down the coast, look here:
> http://sailvalis.com/wordpress_1/?p=597
>
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
>
>
> On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 at 10:05, Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> When you say very uncomfortable, do you mean because your 35-3 would be
>> slamming into waves in rough conditions? I see that the PS 44 is about
>> twice the displacement of the 35, so that makes a big difference I guess.
>> We have some sailing to do before we'll attempt anything like that!
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

I agree with Dave.  Just get a boat and learn from it.  It’s an iterative 
process.  If you’re lucky, you’ll get a boat you’ll love and want to keep 
forever - like a C 30 MK I :) - and / or you’ll learn from the experience of 
owning the boat you get, and apply the learning to the next boat you get, and 
so on.  Maybe you’ll even own multiple boats at the same time someday.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30 MK I #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Apr 27, 2019, at 4:31 AM, Dave via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Enjoy the sail 
> FWIW I only really understood what I wanted and needed from a sailboat after 
> experiencing what I didn’t, and for me at least this took time. I still don’t 
> have it quite right.  (Lol). I wouldn’t dwell too much on getting the right 
> boat today for some future aspiration.  IMO, Get a good boat for today, and 
> accept that it’ll still be imperfect.With experience You’ll progressively 
> dial in on what you want, and in any case your aspirations will change over 
> time.  
> Good luck with (and enjoy) the adventure.
> Dave -33 mk2 - (the not-ideal boat I am currently enjoying immensely)
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

First, I think your idea of getting a boat that you can use right now is a
good idea. By the time you are ready for bluewater, you will have a much
better idea of what boat you want for that purpose.
The 35-3 does tend to pound in waves going upwind, it's just a function of
that flat bottom in front of the keel. Heeled at 20 degrees, it doesn't
pound as much, but living at that angle of heel for days at a time is not a
lot of fun. The PS 44, at twice the displacement, has a much different hull
profile, it doesn't pound and is much more seakindly. The 44 also has major
tankage, food storage, battery space, an excellent shower, and costs about
ten times the value of our 35. It certainly is no faster than the 35.
If you want to see some pix of the trip down the coast, look here:
http://sailvalis.com/wordpress_1/?p=597


Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 at 10:05, Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> When you say very uncomfortable, do you mean because your 35-3 would be
> slamming into waves in rough conditions? I see that the PS 44 is about
> twice the displacement of the 35, so that makes a big difference I guess.
> We have some sailing to do before we'll attempt anything like that!
>
>
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Dave via CnC-List]

Enjoy the sail 
FWIW I only really understood what I wanted and needed from a sailboat after 
experiencing what I didn’t, and for me at least this took time. I still don’t 
have it quite right.  (Lol). I wouldn’t dwell too much on getting the right 
boat today for some future aspiration.  IMO, Get a good boat for today, and 
accept that it’ll still be imperfect.With experience You’ll progressively 
dial in on what you want, and in any case your aspirations will change over 
time.  
Good luck with (and enjoy) the adventure.
Dave -33 mk2 - (the not-ideal boat I am currently enjoying immensely)
Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 26, 2019, at 12:57 PM, Shawn Wright  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Gary, for your thoughts. Having spent so long looking, I have become 
> more fixated on finding the right boat, but until we get some real 
> experience, we won't know what that boat is. As much as I dread the 
> possibility of selling her in a few years and beginning another search, I 
> can't see any way to avoid it. Even if we had $100K to spend, there is no 
> guarantee of finding the right boat for both local cruising, and going to the 
> South Pacific some day. We're probably going to proceed, unless something 
> serious comes up on the haul out, which doesn't seem likely. Backing out at 
> this point would likely mean not getting a boat in time for our planned trip 
> in June, or having to make a rushed decision on another boat. Getting the 10K 
> boat will do the job for a season, but I just know that I'll still be looking 
> at other boats, and I'd like to give that a rest for a while. I'm hoping to 
> go out tomorrow in some decent winds for a final trial, since we didn't get 
> much wind the first time. I plan to go below while under sail, hopefully with 
> a bit of wave height, to see what kind of movement and strange noises I hear 
> from the hull and bulkheads. I still have some concerns over the loose 
> bulkhead to cabin top connection (they just seem to loosely fit in the cabin 
> top liner groove), so I want to see how much movement is there.
> 
> The only comparable boat is a Niagara 35 ($25K) which is even better equipped 
> - radar, windvane, propane hot water. It's a boat well known for offshore 
> passage making, and I like the deeper bilge and heavier build, while it still 
> rates well under PHRF (159) so should be decent for light air. But it has 
> soggy decks are per past survey, and a cored hull. Oh, and there are two San 
> Juan 34/Crown 34s for $18 & 25K, which are closer to a C in build and 
> performance. 
> 
> I'm hoping for a good sail tomorrow, and to not find anything more that is 
> discouraging, so we can just get on with sailing, and learning to love our 
> new boat!
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 8:19 AM Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> We have owned our 30-1 for 25 years now, and, as our sailing dreams have 
>> changed, it still seems to answer the need. A couple more feet would not be 
>> a bad thing. A divorce in everything but boat ownership and the ex-Admiral 
>> still drives “her boat” with her new husband and some of the old crew on 
>> Wednesday nights and I drive “mine” at other times, do a little cruising and 
>> some weekend racing.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I’ve been watching your thought process with interest. I think, if you are 
>> comfortable with the concept of the 35II, I don’t see as much downside as 
>> others seem to see. It is a very good, stout, well sailing boat with some 
>> extras – maybe too many.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I would think that the engine issue with its complications may be a turn-off 
>> for many, but I don’t see why, with your skills, that a couple days 
>> stripping the extras out (water maker, extra batteries, and other items) you 
>> could get it down to a ‘normal’ boat. Then you have a garage full of stuff 
>> which may be handy in the future. When our hot water heater rusted into a 
>> pile, it came out, as we found our cruising to various places with marinas 
>> was more to our liking than camping out. You don’t know right now what you 
>> may end up doing with the boat in the future. Long distance cruising? 
>> Offshore? I would think that you need to spend some time developing your 
>> sailing skills and interests, then you can do more intelligent planning for 
>> future endeavors.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Just a contrary opinion.
>> 
>> Gary
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Shawn Wright via 
>> CnC-List
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:38 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Shawn Wright 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>&

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Hi Jim,

When you say very uncomfortable, do you mean because your 35-3 would be
slamming into waves in rough conditions? I see that the PS 44 is about
twice the displacement of the 35, so that makes a big difference I guess.
We have some sailing to do before we'll attempt anything like that!

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 8:35 PM Jim Watts via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I think our boat could easily sail to Hawaii and back in reasonable
> conditions, not that anyone can ever count on that. I'm sure we would
> survive, although it might be very uncomfortable, in bad weather. I sailed
> down the west coast from Friday Harbor to San Francisco on a Pacific
> Seacraft 44, and I was happy to be in that boat. Pretty breezy, steady 58
> knots gusting to 63 for a bit,  5 1/2 days overall, and when it eased off
> to 25 it was nice and calm. Lee Youngblood was there, it was good times.
>
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
>
>
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 10:08, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> The 25 has a deck stepped mast, so the only water entry is around deck
>> mounted hardware, port seals, or if the cockpit scuppers get clogged with
>> pine straw (don’t ask) and water floods over the lip of the companionway.
>>
>>
>>
>> Water seems to come down the mast in my 38 internally, as with yours. I
>> always presumed it gets in through the sheaves at the masthead and the
>> carious apertures where lines go through the sides of the mast. On my  38
>> the mast sits in an aluminum shoe at the level of the cabin sole, so I can
>> watch the water come out the bottom of the mast and drip through a hole in
>> the step into the bilge.
>>
>>
>>
>> And yes it does rain in North Carolina… a lot at times!
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick Brass
>>
>> Washington, NC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David
>> Knecht via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2019 11:50 AM
>> *To:* CnC CnC discussion list 
>> *Cc:* David Knecht 
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?
>>
>>
>>
>> As to Rick’s comments about wet boats- my boat gets a significant amount
>> of water in the bilge and it appears to primarily come from the mast.
>> During dry spells the bilge is dry and water always increases significantly
>> after a rain.  We have discussed this before, but from Rick’s comments,
>> there must be some difference in the mast of the 25 vs. other masts (or
>> else it never rains in North Carolina).  Has anyone tracked down the entry
>> point of water into the mast and has anyone found a way of reducing it?  I
>> know on my boat it must be internal because the mast below is not wet.
>> However, I cannot see the mast bottom to watch in a rain without pulling up
>> the cabin sole so have not done that to confirm.  Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> S/V Aries
>>
>> 1990 C 34+
>>
>> New London, CT
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Thanks, Gary, for your thoughts. Having spent so long looking, I have
become more fixated on finding the right boat, but until we get some real
experience, we won't know what that boat is. As much as I dread the
possibility of selling her in a few years and beginning another search, I
can't see any way to avoid it. Even if we had $100K to spend, there is no
guarantee of finding the right boat for both local cruising, and going to
the South Pacific some day. We're probably going to proceed, unless
something serious comes up on the haul out, which doesn't seem likely.
Backing out at this point would likely mean not getting a boat in time for
our planned trip in June, or having to make a rushed decision on another
boat. Getting the 10K boat will do the job for a season, but I just know
that I'll still be looking at other boats, and I'd like to give that a rest
for a while. I'm hoping to go out tomorrow in some decent winds for a final
trial, since we didn't get much wind the first time. I plan to go below
while under sail, hopefully with a bit of wave height, to see what kind of
movement and strange noises I hear from the hull and bulkheads. I still
have some concerns over the loose bulkhead to cabin top connection (they
just seem to loosely fit in the cabin top liner groove), so I want to see
how much movement is there.

The only comparable boat is a Niagara 35 ($25K) which is even better
equipped - radar, windvane, propane hot water. It's a boat well known for
offshore passage making, and I like the deeper bilge and heavier build,
while it still rates well under PHRF (159) so should be decent for light
air. But it has soggy decks are per past survey, and a cored hull. Oh, and
there are two San Juan 34/Crown 34s for $18 & 25K, which are closer to a
C in build and performance.

I'm hoping for a good sail tomorrow, and to not find anything more that is
discouraging, so we can just get on with sailing, and learning to love our
new boat!

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 8:19 AM Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> We have owned our 30-1 for 25 years now, and, as our sailing dreams have
> changed, it still seems to answer the need. A couple more feet would not be
> a bad thing. A divorce in everything but boat ownership and the ex-Admiral
> still drives “her boat” with her new husband and some of the old crew on
> Wednesday nights and I drive “mine” at other times, do a little cruising
> and some weekend racing.
>
>
>
> I’ve been watching your thought process with interest. I think, if you are
> comfortable with the concept of the 35II, I don’t see as much downside as
> others seem to see. It is a very good, stout, well sailing boat with some
> extras – maybe too many.
>
>
>
> I would think that the engine issue with its complications may be a
> turn-off for many, but I don’t see why, with your skills, that a couple
> days stripping the extras out (water maker, extra batteries, and other
> items) you could get it down to a ‘normal’ boat. Then you have a garage
> full of stuff which may be handy in the future. When our hot water heater
> rusted into a pile, it came out, as we found our cruising to various places
> with marinas was more to our liking than camping out. You don’t know right
> now what you may end up doing with the boat in the future. Long distance
> cruising? Offshore? I would think that you need to spend some time
> developing your sailing skills and interests, then you can do more
> intelligent planning for future endeavors.
>
>
>
> Just a contrary opinion.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Shawn
> Wright via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:38 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Shawn Wright 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?
>
>
>
> Thanks for all the great replies. Interesting about the 30-1 setup for
> offshore. There is one in Victoria selling for $55K (for almost a year now)
> that the owner put over 50K into, but never left due to health issues.
>
> re: the hull-deck joint. This is one reason I was looking at Ericsons for
> months, as their glassed over joint is said to be very strong and leakproof
> (outward facing flange, with inside glassed over). I was hoping to take
> this 35 into some big waves to test the joint for leakage, but the owner
> wasn't game for it. There is a hose at the slip, so I might try spraying it
> if I get a chance.
>
>
>
> Still pondering things tonight. Thanks everyone!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 6:03 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Interesting discussion - thanks Shawn for launching it.
>
>
>
> Last October at Emerald Bay, Catalina Island I moored a chartered Catalina
> 390 next to C 30 MK I hull #493, “Katherine Patrici

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

We have owned our 30-1 for 25 years now, and, as our sailing dreams have 
changed, it still seems to answer the need. A couple more feet would not be a 
bad thing. A divorce in everything but boat ownership and the ex-Admiral still 
drives “her boat” with her new husband and some of the old crew on Wednesday 
nights and I drive “mine” at other times, do a little cruising and some weekend 
racing. 

 

I’ve been watching your thought process with interest. I think, if you are 
comfortable with the concept of the 35II, I don’t see as much downside as 
others seem to see. It is a very good, stout, well sailing boat with some 
extras – maybe too many.

 

I would think that the engine issue with its complications may be a turn-off 
for many, but I don’t see why, with your skills, that a couple days stripping 
the extras out (water maker, extra batteries, and other items) you could get it 
down to a ‘normal’ boat. Then you have a garage full of stuff which may be 
handy in the future. When our hot water heater rusted into a pile, it came out, 
as we found our cruising to various places with marinas was more to our liking 
than camping out. You don’t know right now what you may end up doing with the 
boat in the future. Long distance cruising? Offshore? I would think that you 
need to spend some time developing your sailing skills and interests, then you 
can do more intelligent planning for future endeavors.

 

Just a contrary opinion.

Gary 

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Shawn Wright via 
CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:38 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

 

Thanks for all the great replies. Interesting about the 30-1 setup for 
offshore. There is one in Victoria selling for $55K (for almost a year now) 
that the owner put over 50K into, but never left due to health issues. 

re: the hull-deck joint. This is one reason I was looking at Ericsons for 
months, as their glassed over joint is said to be very strong and leakproof 
(outward facing flange, with inside glassed over). I was hoping to take this 35 
into some big waves to test the joint for leakage, but the owner wasn't game 
for it. There is a hose at the slip, so I might try spraying it if I get a 
chance.

 

Still pondering things tonight. Thanks everyone!

 

 

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 6:03 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Interesting discussion - thanks Shawn for launching it.

 

Last October at Emerald Bay, Catalina Island I moored a chartered Catalina 390 
next to C 30 MK I hull #493, “Katherine Patricia,” hailing port Berkeley, CA. 
 I spoke with her owner Alexander Simpson, who is not on this mail list as far 
as I know, but is on the C owners’ Facebook group.  He said he’d sailed her 
from the West Coast to Hawaii and back.  We didn’t discuss what kind of 
conditions he encountered.  But he did say that in preparation he’d resealed 
the deck / hull joint (with 5200, which made me wonder if that’s the right 
material for that job).  His boat was also set up with a self-steering wind 
vane and an asymmetrical spinnaker.

 

I’ve also seen a couple 35-40’ C in marinas at Harbor Island, San Diego, but 
have no idea if or where those boats have sailed.  Maybe down Mexico way.

 

As for Grenadine, the worst conditions I’ve been in were 48mph gusts at 
Chatfield Reservoir. We saw it coming and doused the headsail before getting 
hit, but had to motor head-to-wind into the shadow of the dam to douse the main 
safely, then motored to the marina and took two tries to get into the slip.  
Sea state is not that big an issue on my lake.  So all that doesn’t really 
apply to your question.  But having said that, I chartered a Bali 4.5 cat in 
the BVI a few weeks ago.  We had some 25kt days, with 6’ wind waves, and 
another day with a 5’ east swell, and I would have loved to sail Grenadine down 
there.  I’m sure she would have handled it just fine, and loved it.  Didn’t 
happen to see any C on that trip, and not for lack of looking.

 

Josh I’d be interested in that article you referred to, if you can find it.

 

Cheers,

Randy Stafford

S/V Grenadine

C 30-1 #7

Ken Caryl, CO





On Apr 24, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

1I saw a C in Uruguay.  It's hailing port was in Delaware.  So there is that.

 

My experience and my the reports from others is that C are generally well 
built, strong boats.  That being said, "Are the good blue water boats?"  I 
would suggest no.  They typically have less tankage than other similar sized 
boats.  They often have fin keels that create a flat spot forward of the keel.  
This can result in a pretty good pounding with the right wave height and 
frequency.  Most of them were catering to the racer-cruiser an as a result tend 
to carry a bit more sail for the racer but as a cruiser often had shorter than 
appropriate keels.  

 

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

I think our boat could easily sail to Hawaii and back in reasonable
conditions, not that anyone can ever count on that. I'm sure we would
survive, although it might be very uncomfortable, in bad weather. I sailed
down the west coast from Friday Harbor to San Francisco on a Pacific
Seacraft 44, and I was happy to be in that boat. Pretty breezy, steady 58
knots gusting to 63 for a bit,  5 1/2 days overall, and when it eased off
to 25 it was nice and calm. Lee Youngblood was there, it was good times.


Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 10:08, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
wrote:

> The 25 has a deck stepped mast, so the only water entry is around deck
> mounted hardware, port seals, or if the cockpit scuppers get clogged with
> pine straw (don’t ask) and water floods over the lip of the companionway.
>
>
>
> Water seems to come down the mast in my 38 internally, as with yours. I
> always presumed it gets in through the sheaves at the masthead and the
> carious apertures where lines go through the sides of the mast. On my  38
> the mast sits in an aluminum shoe at the level of the cabin sole, so I can
> watch the water come out the bottom of the mast and drip through a hole in
> the step into the bilge.
>
>
>
> And yes it does rain in North Carolina… a lot at times!
>
>
>
> Rick Brass
>
> Washington, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David
> Knecht via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2019 11:50 AM
> *To:* CnC CnC discussion list 
> *Cc:* David Knecht 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?
>
>
>
> As to Rick’s comments about wet boats- my boat gets a significant amount
> of water in the bilge and it appears to primarily come from the mast.
> During dry spells the bilge is dry and water always increases significantly
> after a rain.  We have discussed this before, but from Rick’s comments,
> there must be some difference in the mast of the 25 vs. other masts (or
> else it never rains in North Carolina).  Has anyone tracked down the entry
> point of water into the mast and has anyone found a way of reducing it?  I
> know on my boat it must be internal because the mast below is not wet.
> However, I cannot see the mast bottom to watch in a rain without pulling up
> the cabin sole so have not done that to confirm.  Dave
>
>
>
> S/V Aries
>
> 1990 C 34+
>
> New London, CT
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

The 25 has a deck stepped mast, so the only water entry is around deck mounted 
hardware, port seals, or if the cockpit scuppers get clogged with pine straw 
(don’t ask) and water floods over the lip of the companionway.

 

Water seems to come down the mast in my 38 internally, as with yours. I always 
presumed it gets in through the sheaves at the masthead and the carious 
apertures where lines go through the sides of the mast. On my  38 the mast sits 
in an aluminum shoe at the level of the cabin sole, so I can watch the water 
come out the bottom of the mast and drip through a hole in the step into the 
bilge.

 

And yes it does rain in North Carolina… a lot at times!

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 11:50 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

 

As to Rick’s comments about wet boats- my boat gets a significant amount of 
water in the bilge and it appears to primarily come from the mast.  During dry 
spells the bilge is dry and water always increases significantly after a rain.  
We have discussed this before, but from Rick’s comments, there must be some 
difference in the mast of the 25 vs. other masts (or else it never rains in 
North Carolina).  Has anyone tracked down the entry point of water into the 
mast and has anyone found a way of reducing it?  I know on my boat it must be 
internal because the mast below is not wet.  However, I cannot see the mast 
bottom to watch in a rain without pulling up the cabin sole so have not done 
that to confirm.  Dave

 

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT




 

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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Same here ! Bolder is Dry as a bone until it rains
Water must be coming down my mast  somewhere somehow. Also leak somewhere from 
force 10 heater  I have small pot there which collects the drips  nicely but 
it’s annoying !

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon

On Apr 25, 2019, at 11:49 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

As to Rick’s comments about wet boats- my boat gets a significant amount of 
water in the bilge and it appears to primarily come from the mast.  During dry 
spells the bilge is dry and water always increases significantly after a rain.  
We have discussed this before, but from Rick’s comments, there must be some 
difference in the mast of the 25 vs. other masts (or else it never rains in 
North Carolina).  Has anyone tracked down the entry point of water into the 
mast and has anyone found a way of reducing it?  I know on my boat it must be 
internal because the mast below is not wet.  However, I cannot see the mast 
bottom to watch in a rain without pulling up the cabin sole so have not done 
that to confirm.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:21 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

When I was boat shopping for my first keel boat (in the mid-90s in the 
Chesapeake and along the Jersey Shore) I was attracted to a couple of 
Ericksons. I didn’t buy them because of the reputation they have of being wet 
boats – with problems of hardware bedding, window leaks, etc. The hull to deck 
joint might be solid (but you should look in a C owners’ manual on the photo 
album at the diagram of the C hull to deck), but most of the Ericksons I 
looked at showed signs of water inside. A friend has had to completely replace 
the cabin sole on his Erickson 38 – which delaminated on the top from water 
coming through the deck instead of on the bottom from water collecting in the 
bilge.

The C 25 I bought in 1994 is dry enough that it does not have an electric 
bilge pump. Every 6 months or so I dry out the bilge with a couple of strokes 
on the manual pump and a sponge.

Rick Brass
Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47
la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225
Washington, NC



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Wright 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:38 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Shawn Wright mailto:shawngwri...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

Thanks for all the great replies. Interesting about the 30-1 setup for 
offshore. There is one in Victoria selling for $55K (for almost a year now) 
that the owner put over 50K into, but never left due to health issues.
re: the hull-deck joint. This is one reason I was looking at Ericsons for 
months, as their glassed over joint is said to be very strong and leakproof 
(outward facing flange, with inside glassed over). I was hoping to take this 35 
into some big waves to test the joint for leakage, but the owner wasn't game 
for it. There is a hose at the slip, so I might try spraying it if I get a 
chance.

Still pondering things tonight. Thanks everyone!


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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Dan via CnC-List]

My Girlfriend and I will be crossing to the Exumas via Bermuda this fall on
our C weather "window" permitting. We haven't yet decided if our gulf
stream jump off point will be Halifax direct, or somewhere down the US
coast north or the ICW. We're too deep and too tall for the ICW.
Breakaweigh has been Across the Atlantic and has been sailed to the
Caribbean before with previous owners so we know she's up to it.  We have
slightly more displacement and LWL than most other C, which offers some
security, but preparation, good timing, good decision making and seamanship
is everything. We're not interested in fighting the elements, however we
will be carrying a storm jib and a series drogue on top of our SSB, AIS,
EPIRB, liferaft Eridium, spare parts and pure dumb luck.

Dan Cormier
Breakaweigh
C
Halifax, NS

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:29 PM robert via CnC-List 
wrote:

> John,
>
> Just curious, is your friend with a 37 doing the crossing from Halifax, do
> just leaving from here?
>
> Note your comment " he has prepared the boat over the last few
> seasons."something for Shawn to think about beyond his initial purchase.
>
> A club member spent all last year preparing his boat (Hunter 41 ???)  for
> his trip from Halifax to the Caribbean (staying there for a year).he
> spent more preparing his boat for the trip than Shawn is spending on
> purchasing a 35-II.
>
> And then we have a sailor here that has crossed the Atlantic in a C
> 27without all the bells and whistles (unlike the Hunter 41 with a fully
> enclosed heated cockpit).
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 -#277
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
>
>
> On 2019-04-24 6:47 p.m., John Christopher via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I’ve got a friend leaving form Halifax to cross the Atlantic in his 1985
> C 37 this summer, cruise the Med for a few years, and then head for
> Caribbean.
>
> He has over 25 years sailing experience (NZ, French Polynesia,
> Philippines, Taiwan, Japan, etc)
>
> He has no issues going across the Atlantic in his 37, but he has prepared
> the boat over the last few seasons.
>
> /John
>
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

As to Rick’s comments about wet boats- my boat gets a significant amount of 
water in the bilge and it appears to primarily come from the mast.  During dry 
spells the bilge is dry and water always increases significantly after a rain.  
We have discussed this before, but from Rick’s comments, there must be some 
difference in the mast of the 25 vs. other masts (or else it never rains in 
North Carolina).  Has anyone tracked down the entry point of water into the 
mast and has anyone found a way of reducing it?  I know on my boat it must be 
internal because the mast below is not wet.  However, I cannot see the mast 
bottom to watch in a rain without pulling up the cabin sole so have not done 
that to confirm.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:21 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> When I was boat shopping for my first keel boat (in the mid-90s in the 
> Chesapeake and along the Jersey Shore) I was attracted to a couple of 
> Ericksons. I didn’t buy them because of the reputation they have of being wet 
> boats – with problems of hardware bedding, window leaks, etc. The hull to 
> deck joint might be solid (but you should look in a C owners’ manual on the 
> photo album at the diagram of the C hull to deck), but most of the 
> Ericksons I looked at showed signs of water inside. A friend has had to 
> completely replace the cabin sole on his Erickson 38 – which delaminated on 
> the top from water coming through the deck instead of on the bottom from 
> water collecting in the bilge.
>  
> The C 25 I bought in 1994 is dry enough that it does not have an electric 
> bilge pump. Every 6 months or so I dry out the bilge with a couple of strokes 
> on the manual pump and a sponge.
>  
> Rick Brass
> Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47
> la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225
> Washington, NC
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Shawn Wright via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:38 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Shawn Wright mailto:shawngwri...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?
>  
> Thanks for all the great replies. Interesting about the 30-1 setup for 
> offshore. There is one in Victoria selling for $55K (for almost a year now) 
> that the owner put over 50K into, but never left due to health issues. 
> re: the hull-deck joint. This is one reason I was looking at Ericsons for 
> months, as their glassed over joint is said to be very strong and leakproof 
> (outward facing flange, with inside glassed over). I was hoping to take this 
> 35 into some big waves to test the joint for leakage, but the owner wasn't 
> game for it. There is a hose at the slip, so I might try spraying it if I get 
> a chance.
>  
> Still pondering things tonight. Thanks everyone!
>  
>  
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

"Offshore" has no actual definition. It isn't like buying a vessel for 
high latitude winter cruising and making sure the ice class you buy is 
equal to the ice you think you need to withstand, i.e.  don't buy a boat 
rated for 6 inches of ice if you are going to hit 12 inches.


So let us separate ability, performance, and comfort:

Most C, with obvious exceptions, can sail offshore and not sink. The 
issue rarely will be that your boat breaks up and sinks before getting 
into port. C made good boats and plenty of them have made plenty of 
offshore passages. That said, remember these are old boats now and need 
careful checking.


Most C are fast sailors. The big heavy tub contingent will say they 
lose performance when carrying a heavy load while their boats do not. 
That is true as far as it goes, but their boats are dog slow to start 
with and even a loaded C is way faster than they are!


Comfort/room/stores is another issue, especially if this is also your 
home. Most C are shallow bilge boats. This is good for speed, but 
bilge water gets a lot of places. Imagine an old 12 Meter, the bilge 
water is going to be way down there in the bilge unless the boat is 
inverted. Our boats are mostly the opposite of that. We tend to be light 
on storage and tankage too. I hold a whopping 18 gallons of fuel. Going 
trans-Atlantic, that would keep the batteries up for a month but provide 
no meaningful range under power. The boats were mostly not intended to 
be world traveling live-aboards when new. C tend to be both fast and 
light, which can really bang you around when pushing it. A couple days 
rail down in 20 footers doing max speed was like an airplane crash that 
never ended. Most cruisers don't push that hard and avoid that kind of 
weather anyway, but once again comfort was not the number one design 
criteria.


So if you want to sail the world's oceans and live on a boat, C are 
mostly not optimized for that use. Plenty of retired people hanging 
around on comfy Island Packets prove that out. But if you want to SAIL 
while you do all that.  :)


Joe

Coquina

C 35 MK I


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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Didn't Webb Chiles have an Ericson 37 come apart while offshore?

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From: CnC-List  on behalf of John Christopher 
via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 9:00:37 AM
To: robert
Cc: John Christopher; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

That’s him lol.


/John

On Apr 25, 2019, at 8:33 AM, robert 
mailto:robertabb...@eastlink.ca>> wrote:

John,

I think I might have met your friend.Christian Tirtirauif true, he 
bought a C 37 from an RNSYS club member...the boat was called Northern 
Lights.it was in great shapethe previous owner hardly used itsat on 
a mooring all Summer for several years.  It was on the market for approx. $35K  
which I thought was an exceptional price for this boat and no one locally 
bought it.

If it is Christian, he once told me he likes to get on a tack and stay there 
for two weeks.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.



On 2019-04-25 7:58 a.m., John Christopher wrote:
Hi Robert,

His boat is now located at Shining Waters Marina.

He was at the Halifax marina for a few years. He upgraded his quite old 
equipment (Radar, batteries, chartplotter, wind, depth, speed. added a drogue, 
had the rod rigging inspected, added



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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

That’s him lol.


/John

> On Apr 25, 2019, at 8:33 AM, robert  wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> I think I might have met your friend.Christian Tirtirauif true, he 
> bought a C 37 from an RNSYS club member...the boat was called Northern 
> Lights.it was in great shapethe previous owner hardly used itsat 
> on a mooring all Summer for several years.  It was on the market for approx. 
> $35K  which I thought was an exceptional price for this boat and no one 
> locally bought it.
> 
> If it is Christian, he once told me he likes to get on a tack and stay there 
> for two weeks.
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - #277
> Halifax, N.S.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2019-04-25 7:58 a.m., John Christopher wrote:
>> Hi Robert,
>> 
>> His boat is now located at Shining Waters Marina.
>> 
>> He was at the Halifax marina for a few years. He upgraded his quite old 
>> equipment (Radar, batteries, chartplotter, wind, depth, speed. added a 
>> drogue, had the rod rigging inspected, added
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Josh,

Zero pounding either in The Washing Machine (Buzzards Bay) or out in the ocean.

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Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:21:40 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rick Brass
Subject: Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

When I was boat shopping for my first keel boat (in the mid-90s in the 
Chesapeake and along the Jersey Shore) I was attracted to a couple of 
Ericksons. I didn’t buy them because of the reputation they have of being wet 
boats – with problems of hardware bedding, window leaks, etc. The hull to deck 
joint might be solid (but you should look in a C owners’ manual on the photo 
album at the diagram of the C hull to deck), but most of the Ericksons I 
looked at showed signs of water inside. A friend has had to completely replace 
the cabin sole on his Erickson 38 – which delaminated on the top from water 
coming through the deck instead of on the bottom from water collecting in the 
bilge.

The C 25 I bought in 1994 is dry enough that it does not have an electric 
bilge pump. Every 6 months or so I dry out the bilge with a couple of strokes 
on the manual pump and a sponge.

Rick Brass
Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47
la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225
Washington, NC



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Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:38 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

Thanks for all the great replies. Interesting about the 30-1 setup for 
offshore. There is one in Victoria selling for $55K (for almost a year now) 
that the owner put over 50K into, but never left due to health issues.
re: the hull-deck joint. This is one reason I was looking at Ericsons for 
months, as their glassed over joint is said to be very strong and leakproof 
(outward facing flange, with inside glassed over). I was hoping to take this 35 
into some big waves to test the joint for leakage, but the owner wasn't game 
for it. There is a hose at the slip, so I might try spraying it if I get a 
chance.

Still pondering things tonight. Thanks everyone!


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[robert via CnC-List]

John,

I think I might have met your friend.Christian Tirtirauif true, 
he bought a C 37 from an RNSYS club member...the boat was called 
Northern Lights.it was in great shapethe previous owner hardly 
used itsat on a mooring all Summer for several years.  It was on the 
market for approx. $35K  which I thought was an exceptional price for 
this boat and no one locally bought it.


If it is Christian, he once told me he likes to get on a tack and stay 
there for two weeks.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - #277
Halifax, N.S.



On 2019-04-25 7:58 a.m., John Christopher wrote:

Hi Robert,

His boat is now located at Shining Waters Marina.

He was at the Halifax marina for a few years. He upgraded his quite 
old equipment (Radar, batteries, chartplotter, wind, depth, speed. 
added a drogue, had the rod rigging inspected, added



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[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Hi Robert,

His boat is now located at Shining Waters Marina. He was at the Halifax marina 
before. 

He upgraded his quite old equipment (Radar, batteries, chartplotter, wind, 
depth, speed. added a drogue, had the rod rigging inspected, added hydrovane, 
running rigging where needed, new anchor - Rocna, chain, sails, and  a few 
other things). 

The boat was solid and dry from the get-go, so zero structural issues or wet 
decks. Yanmar is in excellent condition as verified by licensed mechanic 
(compression test, and oil analysis). 

When I said “over the last few seasons” I meant that my friend lives in 
Montreal Quebec (11 hr distance). So it took him a while to do the work, and 
enjoy some sailing at the same time. 

He had his plans back then to leave this summer so he paced himself. He’s been 
in some sea’s and his only splurge was the drogue as these boats are light 
displacement. He’ll be with his wife and she’s everything to him. Peace of mind.

Sean is asking good questions, and his gut may not be in sync with his heart 
and mind, but I can understand. In the end it’s his decision. I very much enjoy 
the views and advice of everyone is giving him. This is a FANTASTIC group of 
genuine people.

I almost bought a C 40 that needed work at port credit Toronto. But I bumped 
into the son of Eric Bruckman (had no clue who he was at the time) and he asked 
me if I was considering the boat and I said yes... I drove from Montreal to 
Toronto a few times to see the boat (and others) so I’m guessing he saw a 
pattern.

He knew the boat and asked me what my experience was and why this particular 
boat. Then he ran some numbers with me (based on what needed to be fixed) time 
and cost... He said “be patient, sailing isn’t going anywhere”... he basically 
opened my eyes. A year and a half later I bought a really great Landfall 38. I 
haven’t had to do anything to it really. I’m changing the glow plugs this year, 
and touching up the bottom paint.


/John

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 7:28 PM, robert  wrote:
> 
> John, 
> 
> Just curious, is your friend with a 37 doing the crossing from Halifax, do 
> just leaving from here?
> 
> Note your comment " he has prepared the boat over the last few 
> seasons."something for Shawn to think about beyond his initial purchase.
> 
> A club member spent all last year preparing his boat (Hunter 41 ???)  for his 
> trip from Halifax to the Caribbean (staying there for a year).he spent 
> more preparing his boat for the trip than Shawn is spending on purchasing a 
> 35-II.
> 
> And then we have a sailor here that has crossed the Atlantic in a C 
> 27without all the bells and whistles (unlike the Hunter 41 with a fully 
> enclosed heated cockpit).
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 -#277
> Halifax, N.S. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2019-04-24 6:47 p.m., John Christopher via CnC-List wrote:
>> I’ve got a friend leaving form Halifax to cross the Atlantic in his 1985 C 
>> 37 this summer, cruise the Med for a few years, and then head for Caribbean. 
>> 
>> He has over 25 years sailing experience (NZ, French Polynesia, Philippines, 
>> Taiwan, Japan, etc)  
>> 
>> He has no issues going across the Atlantic in his 37, but he has prepared 
>> the boat over the last few seasons.
>> 
>> /John
>> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Hi Robert,

His boat is now located at Shining Waters Marina.

He was at the Halifax marina for a few years. He upgraded his quite old 
equipment (Radar, batteries, chartplotter, wind, depth, speed. added a drogue, 
had the rod rigging inspected, added hydrovane, running rigging where needed, 
new anchor - Rocna, chain, and  a few other things). The boat was solid and dry 
from the get-go, so zero structural issues or wet decks. Yanmar is in excellent 
condition as verified by licensed mechanic (compression test, and oil 
analysis). When I said “over the last few seasons” I meant that my friends 
lives in Montreal Quebec. So it took him a while to do the work, and enjoy some 
sailing at the same time. He had his plans back then to leave this summer so he 
paced himself. He’s been in some sea’s and his only splurge was the drogue as 
these boats are light displacement. He’ll be with his wife and she’s everything 
to him.

I don’t think this is the boat for Sean, but I can understand. I almost bought 
a C 40 that needed work at port credit. But I bumped into Eric Bruckman (had 
no clue who he was at the time) and he asked me if I was considering the boat 
and I said yes... He knew the boat... 

he asked me what my experience was and why this particular boat. Then he ran 
some numbers with me, time and cost... He said “be patient, sailing isn’t going 
anywhere”... he basically opened my eyes. A year and a half later I bought a 
great Landfall 38.


/John

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 7:28 PM, robert  wrote:
> 
> John, 
> 
> Just curious, is your friend with a 37 doing the crossing from Halifax, do 
> just leaving from here?
> 
> Note your comment " he has prepared the boat over the last few 
> seasons."something for Shawn to think about beyond his initial purchase.
> 
> A club member spent all last year preparing his boat (Hunter 41 ???)  for his 
> trip from Halifax to the Caribbean (staying there for a year).he spent 
> more preparing his boat for the trip than Shawn is spending on purchasing a 
> 35-II.
> 
> And then we have a sailor here that has crossed the Atlantic in a C 
> 27without all the bells and whistles (unlike the Hunter 41 with a fully 
> enclosed heated cockpit).
> 
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 -#277
> Halifax, N.S. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2019-04-24 6:47 p.m., John Christopher via CnC-List wrote:
>> I’ve got a friend leaving form Halifax to cross the Atlantic in his 1985 C 
>> 37 this summer, cruise the Med for a few years, and then head for Caribbean. 
>> 
>> He has over 25 years sailing experience (NZ, French Polynesia, Philippines, 
>> Taiwan, Japan, etc)  
>> 
>> He has no issues going across the Atlantic in his 37, but he has prepared 
>> the boat over the last few seasons.
>> 
>> /John
>> 
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

When I was boat shopping for my first keel boat (in the mid-90s in the 
Chesapeake and along the Jersey Shore) I was attracted to a couple of 
Ericksons. I didn’t buy them because of the reputation they have of being wet 
boats – with problems of hardware bedding, window leaks, etc. The hull to deck 
joint might be solid (but you should look in a C owners’ manual on the photo 
album at the diagram of the C hull to deck), but most of the Ericksons I 
looked at showed signs of water inside. A friend has had to completely replace 
the cabin sole on his Erickson 38 – which delaminated on the top from water 
coming through the deck instead of on the bottom from water collecting in the 
bilge.

 

The C 25 I bought in 1994 is dry enough that it does not have an electric 
bilge pump. Every 6 months or so I dry out the bilge with a couple of strokes 
on the manual pump and a sponge.

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47

la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:38 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

 

Thanks for all the great replies. Interesting about the 30-1 setup for 
offshore. There is one in Victoria selling for $55K (for almost a year now) 
that the owner put over 50K into, but never left due to health issues. 

re: the hull-deck joint. This is one reason I was looking at Ericsons for 
months, as their glassed over joint is said to be very strong and leakproof 
(outward facing flange, with inside glassed over). I was hoping to take this 35 
into some big waves to test the joint for leakage, but the owner wasn't game 
for it. There is a hose at the slip, so I might try spraying it if I get a 
chance.

 

Still pondering things tonight. Thanks everyone!

 

 

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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I couldn't find my digital copy of the file so I had to make another.  I
apologize for the relatively poor quality.  The readability leaves
something to be desired as well since it is formated for a magazine.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11fyLKgkAzk36kq2tUUxg84yaWjqhGfcc/view?usp=drivesdk

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 7:05 PM Josh Muckley  wrote:

> 1I saw a C in Uruguay.  It's hailing port was in Delaware.  So there is
> that.
>
> My experience and my the reports from others is that C are generally
> well built, strong boats.  That being said, "Are the good blue water
> boats?"  I would suggest no.  They typically have less tankage than other
> similar sized boats.  They often have fin keels that create a flat spot
> forward of the keel.  This can result in a pretty good pounding with the
> right wave height and frequency.  Most of them were catering to the
> racer-cruiser an as a result tend to carry a bit more sail for the racer
> but as a cruiser often had shorter than appropriate keels.
>
> Many people have blue water dreams and end up buying the perfect bluewater
> boats.  Then they have extreme difficulty untying the lines.  Now they are
> stuck not having fun in their local tributaries with anything less than 15
> kts of wind.  I say buy the boat that fits where you are sailing now.  Not
> where you think you will be sailing in the future.  You can always buy and
> sell later.
>
> I have an article that may be pertinent to your concerns.  If I find it
> I'll forward it to you.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 11:22 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
>> boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so,
>> which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
>> gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C,
>> and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
>> about taking it offshore?
>>
>> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh),
>> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from
>> BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light
>> air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can
>> take a beating without worrying about our safety.
>>
>> --
>> Shawn Wright
>> shawngwri...@gmail.com
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

There seem to be two schools of thought about what makes a good passage making 
boat.

 

Traditionalists prefer something big, heavy and slow. So you can carry a lot of 
food, water, and spares on long passages, and so you can survive the bad 
weather that invariably will catch up with you.

 

The other view is a preference for something large enough for stores, 
well-built enough for safety, and fast enough that (with modern weather 
routing) you can sail away from bad weather.

 

My C 38 falls into the second category. When I get around to a couple of 
planned projects to add wind and solar, and upgrade the communications, I plan 
to go to the Med. I have no desire to sail her across the Atlantic on her own 
bottom (For a few grand I can send her to Mallorca on a transport ship, sail 
the Med, and come home to the Caribbean with the ARC). But I know of a couple 
of 38s and at least one 38LF that have been around the world. So I’m sure she 
would handle the Atlantic crossing.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 8:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Barbara L. Hickson 
Subject: Stus-List C as offshore boat

 

 

I’ve always read that all C were “coastal cruisers”.  The odd boat that 
lands in New Zealand or the Med were lucky with weather windows but I 
personally would not bank on traveling the world in any of them. Too light in 
build compared to other true offshore boats. I sailed to Bermuda to Brazil thru 
the  Caribbean in a British built Bowman and never felt safer even in 50 mph 
gales. Would never do that in my 33. Great boat tho and have sailed her from 
Savannah to the  Chesapeake and back. 

 

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[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Thanks for all the great replies. Interesting about the 30-1 setup for
offshore. There is one in Victoria selling for $55K (for almost a year now)
that the owner put over 50K into, but never left due to health issues.
re: the hull-deck joint. This is one reason I was looking at Ericsons for
months, as their glassed over joint is said to be very strong and leakproof
(outward facing flange, with inside glassed over). I was hoping to take
this 35 into some big waves to test the joint for leakage, but the owner
wasn't game for it. There is a hose at the slip, so I might try spraying it
if I get a chance.

Still pondering things tonight. Thanks everyone!


On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 6:03 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Interesting discussion - thanks Shawn for launching it.
>
> Last October at Emerald Bay, Catalina Island I moored a chartered Catalina
> 390 next to C 30 MK I hull #493, “Katherine Patricia,” hailing port
> Berkeley, CA.  I spoke with her owner Alexander Simpson, who is not on this
> mail list as far as I know, but is on the C owners’ Facebook group.  He
> said he’d sailed her from the West Coast to Hawaii and back.  We didn’t
> discuss what kind of conditions he encountered.  But he did say that in
> preparation he’d resealed the deck / hull joint (with 5200, which made me
> wonder if that’s the right material for that job).  His boat was also set
> up with a self-steering wind vane and an asymmetrical spinnaker.
>
> I’ve also seen a couple 35-40’ C in marinas at Harbor Island, San
> Diego, but have no idea if or where those boats have sailed.  Maybe down
> Mexico way.
>
> As for Grenadine, the worst conditions I’ve been in were 48mph gusts at
> Chatfield Reservoir. We saw it coming and doused the headsail before
> getting hit, but had to motor head-to-wind into the shadow of the dam to
> douse the main safely, then motored to the marina and took two tries to get
> into the slip.  Sea state is not that big an issue on my lake.  So all that
> doesn’t really apply to your question.  But having said that, I chartered a
> Bali 4.5 cat in the BVI a few weeks ago.  We had some 25kt days, with 6’
> wind waves, and another day with a 5’ east swell, and I would have loved to
> sail Grenadine down there.  I’m sure she would have handled it just fine,
> and loved it.  Didn’t happen to see any C on that trip, and not for lack
> of looking.
>
> Josh I’d be interested in that article you referred to, if you can find it.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
> On Apr 24, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 1I saw a C in Uruguay.  It's hailing port was in Delaware.  So there is
> that.
>
> My experience and my the reports from others is that C are generally
> well built, strong boats.  That being said, "Are the good blue water
> boats?"  I would suggest no.  They typically have less tankage than other
> similar sized boats.  They often have fin keels that create a flat spot
> forward of the keel.  This can result in a pretty good pounding with the
> right wave height and frequency.  Most of them were catering to the
> racer-cruiser an as a result tend to carry a bit more sail for the racer
> but as a cruiser often had shorter than appropriate keels.
>
> Many people have blue water dreams and end up buying the perfect bluewater
> boats.  Then they have extreme difficulty untying the lines.  Now they are
> stuck not having fun in their local tributaries with anything less than 15
> kts of wind.  I say buy the boat that fits where you are sailing now.  Not
> where you think you will be sailing in the future.  You can always buy and
> sell later.
>
> I have an article that may be pertinent to your concerns.  If I find it
> I'll forward it to you.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 11:22 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
>> boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so,
>> which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
>> gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C,
>> and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
>> about taking it offshore?
>>
>> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh),
>> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from
>> BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light
>> air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can
>> take a beating without worrying about our safety.
>>
>> --
>> Shawn Wright
>> shawngwri...@gmail.com
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>> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to 

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Incidentally, I forgot to mention, that Catalina 390 sailed like a barge 
compared to my 30 MK I.

Randy

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 7:03 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting discussion - thanks Shawn for launching it.
> 
> Last October at Emerald Bay, Catalina Island I moored a chartered Catalina 
> 390 next to C 30 MK I hull #493, “Katherine Patricia,” hailing port 
> Berkeley, CA.  I spoke with her owner Alexander Simpson, who is not on this 
> mail list as far as I know, but is on the C owners’ Facebook group.  He 
> said he’d sailed her from the West Coast to Hawaii and back.  We didn’t 
> discuss what kind of conditions he encountered.  But he did say that in 
> preparation he’d resealed the deck / hull joint (with 5200, which made me 
> wonder if that’s the right material for that job).  His boat was also set up 
> with a self-steering wind vane and an asymmetrical spinnaker.
> 
> I’ve also seen a couple 35-40’ C in marinas at Harbor Island, San Diego, 
> but have no idea if or where those boats have sailed.  Maybe down Mexico way.
> 
> As for Grenadine, the worst conditions I’ve been in were 48mph gusts at 
> Chatfield Reservoir. We saw it coming and doused the headsail before getting 
> hit, but had to motor head-to-wind into the shadow of the dam to douse the 
> main safely, then motored to the marina and took two tries to get into the 
> slip.  Sea state is not that big an issue on my lake.  So all that doesn’t 
> really apply to your question.  But having said that, I chartered a Bali 4.5 
> cat in the BVI a few weeks ago.  We had some 25kt days, with 6’ wind waves, 
> and another day with a 5’ east swell, and I would have loved to sail 
> Grenadine down there.  I’m sure she would have handled it just fine, and 
> loved it.  Didn’t happen to see any C on that trip, and not for lack of 
> looking.
> 
> Josh I’d be interested in that article you referred to, if you can find it.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO

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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Interesting discussion - thanks Shawn for launching it.

Last October at Emerald Bay, Catalina Island I moored a chartered Catalina 390 
next to C 30 MK I hull #493, “Katherine Patricia,” hailing port Berkeley, CA. 
 I spoke with her owner Alexander Simpson, who is not on this mail list as far 
as I know, but is on the C owners’ Facebook group.  He said he’d sailed her 
from the West Coast to Hawaii and back.  We didn’t discuss what kind of 
conditions he encountered.  But he did say that in preparation he’d resealed 
the deck / hull joint (with 5200, which made me wonder if that’s the right 
material for that job).  His boat was also set up with a self-steering wind 
vane and an asymmetrical spinnaker.

I’ve also seen a couple 35-40’ C in marinas at Harbor Island, San Diego, but 
have no idea if or where those boats have sailed.  Maybe down Mexico way.

As for Grenadine, the worst conditions I’ve been in were 48mph gusts at 
Chatfield Reservoir. We saw it coming and doused the headsail before getting 
hit, but had to motor head-to-wind into the shadow of the dam to douse the main 
safely, then motored to the marina and took two tries to get into the slip.  
Sea state is not that big an issue on my lake.  So all that doesn’t really 
apply to your question.  But having said that, I chartered a Bali 4.5 cat in 
the BVI a few weeks ago.  We had some 25kt days, with 6’ wind waves, and 
another day with a 5’ east swell, and I would have loved to sail Grenadine down 
there.  I’m sure she would have handled it just fine, and loved it.  Didn’t 
happen to see any C on that trip, and not for lack of looking.

Josh I’d be interested in that article you referred to, if you can find it.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 1I saw a C in Uruguay.  It's hailing port was in Delaware.  So there is 
> that.
> 
> My experience and my the reports from others is that C are generally well 
> built, strong boats.  That being said, "Are the good blue water boats?"  I 
> would suggest no.  They typically have less tankage than other similar sized 
> boats.  They often have fin keels that create a flat spot forward of the 
> keel.  This can result in a pretty good pounding with the right wave height 
> and frequency.  Most of them were catering to the racer-cruiser an as a 
> result tend to carry a bit more sail for the racer but as a cruiser often had 
> shorter than appropriate keels.  
> 
> Many people have blue water dreams and end up buying the perfect bluewater 
> boats.  Then they have extreme difficulty untying the lines.  Now they are 
> stuck not having fun in their local tributaries with anything less than 15 
> kts of wind.  I say buy the boat that fits where you are sailing now.  Not 
> where you think you will be sailing in the future.  You can always buy and 
> sell later.
> 
> I have an article that may be pertinent to your concerns.  If I find it I'll 
> forward it to you.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 11:22 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current boat 
> purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so, which 
> boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not gone 
> offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C, and how 
> would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel about 
> taking it offshore?
> 
> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh), 
> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from BC 
> to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light air 
> boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can take a 
> beating without worrying about our safety.
> 
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Stus-List C as offshore boat

[Barbara L. Hickson via CnC-List]

I 

I’ve always read that all C were “coastal cruisers”.  The odd boat that 
lands in New Zealand or the Med were lucky with weather windows but I 
personally would not bank on traveling the world in any of them. Too light in 
build compared to other true offshore boats. I sailed to Bermuda to Brazil thru 
the  Caribbean in a British built Bowman and never felt safer even in 50 mph 
gales. Would never do that in my 33. Great boat tho and have sailed her from 
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Shawn,

I'm still lurking here.  My 35-3, a 37, Impromptu, and Rick's LF 38 have
all been to Bermuda.  Personally, I consider 35 the minimum for offshore,
but obviously, others have different standards.

Never saw winds over 30 (on the return) and never felt unsafe.

Joel
Formerly The Office

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
> boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so,
> which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
> gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C,
> and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
> about taking it offshore?
>
> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh),
> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from
> BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light
> air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can
> take a beating without worrying about our safety.
>
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Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[robert via CnC-List]

John,

Just curious, is your friend with a 37 doing the crossing from Halifax, 
do just leaving from here?


Note your comment " he has prepared the boat over the last few 
seasons."something for Shawn to think about beyond his initial purchase.


A club member spent all last year preparing his boat (Hunter 41 ???)  
for his trip from Halifax to the Caribbean (staying there for a 
year).he spent more preparing his boat for the trip than Shawn is 
spending on purchasing a 35-II.


And then we have a sailor here that has crossed the Atlantic in a C 
27without all the bells and whistles (unlike the Hunter 41 with a 
fully enclosed heated cockpit).


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 -#277
Halifax, N.S.




On 2019-04-24 6:47 p.m., John Christopher via CnC-List wrote:
I’ve got a friend leaving form Halifax to cross the Atlantic in his 
1985 C 37 this summer, cruise the Med for a few years, and then head 
for Caribbean.


He has over 25 years sailing experience (NZ, French Polynesia, 
Philippines, Taiwan, Japan, etc)


He has no issues going across the Atlantic in his 37, but he has 
prepared the boat over the last few seasons.


/John



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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Josh, I agree with you wholeheartedly.  It's very easy to dream you'll throw 
off the lines and not come home for 6 months or more.  Then the day to day 
realities close in, especially if you have a spouse who may like to sail but 
isn't thrilled with the long-term prospects.  Owning a bigger boat has 
certainly resulted in LOT more time, energy and money for the maintenance, 
repairs and dockage.  I strongly recommend folks balance those realities 
against a lower cost, less work daysailer.
Don't get me wrong.  We really love our 37/40+, and down here in the Tampa area 
A/C really is a must, especially if you're going to be on a dock instead of a 
mooring because the vast majority docks are blocked by buildings or adjacent 
large powerboats and don't get much breeze.  However, 2 years into this boat 
and we've really only got out on some local cruising and anchoring a couple 
times, and the rest of the time our old C 27MKIII would have sufficed just as 
well with very little maintenance.
Food for thought, 

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+"Astralis"
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

1I saw a C in Uruguay.  It's hailing port was in Delaware.  So there is
that.

My experience and my the reports from others is that C are generally
well built, strong boats.  That being said, "Are the good blue water
boats?"  I would suggest no.  They typically have less tankage than other
similar sized boats.  They often have fin keels that create a flat spot
forward of the keel.  This can result in a pretty good pounding with the
right wave height and frequency.  Most of them were catering to the
racer-cruiser an as a result tend to carry a bit more sail for the racer
but as a cruiser often had shorter than appropriate keels.

Many people have blue water dreams and end up buying the perfect bluewater
boats.  Then they have extreme difficulty untying the lines.  Now they are
stuck not having fun in their local tributaries with anything less than 15
kts of wind.  I say buy the boat that fits where you are sailing now.  Not
where you think you will be sailing in the future.  You can always buy and
sell later.

I have an article that may be pertinent to your concerns.  If I find it
I'll forward it to you.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 11:22 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
> boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so,
> which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
> gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C,
> and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
> about taking it offshore?
>
> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh),
> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from
> BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light
> air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can
> take a beating without worrying about our safety.
>
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Shawn,

I did think about the slip costs and that is most certainly an item that can 
add a good bit to the monthly average. We paid for slip fees in Annapolis up 
until 2003 and while fees in A-town are quite expensive, the back-yard marina 
that we kept the boat in is owned by close friends so by local standards, it 
was very, very cheap.

My wife and I purchased a weekend waterfront home in the mid to lower 
Chesapeake Bay in 2002 and moved the boat down in 2003. We have 8 1/2’ MLLW at 
our dock so our 6’8” draft has never gone aground. I consider that to be a 
“deep water slip” which can be pretty spendy in many locales so, yes, I suppose 
that we have ‘free’ slip fees but the reality is that the slip rent is hidden 
in the mortgage. ;-)

All other items that are remotely linked to the boat, i.e., insurance and 
registration are included in the figures. I even include the yearly dues to a 
yacht club in Annapolis that we still belong to.

I’ve done a short sail from San Diego to Ensenada and back (Passport 43) and 
I’m certain that a C would be just fine for a trip like that. Continuing on 
to the Panama Canal and then into the Caribbean, again, quite do-able I think. 
I have a friend who’s 20-something niece and another young woman bought a 
$4,000 25’ old production sailboat and sailed all over the Gulf of California 
and Baja and had a great time. Afterwards, she and some of her sailing buddies 
sailed our friend’s J-120 from San Francisco to Hawaii and then on to New 
Zealand. Just so that they could get a better price selling it...

You can have fun and be safe on a C I should just say that if I were to take 
off, I’d go with something a bit more robust (Passport, Oyster, Swan, Grand 
Soleil, Dehler, X-Yacht, etc.) and that had a bit more carrying capacity. But 
that’s me.

Buy the boat that moves your heart. We love our 37’. Years ago as it sat 
deteriorating at our dock we starting thinking about letting her go and getting 
a cruiser/racer in the 42’ range. We decided against that avenue for reasons 
that folks on this list well know: beauty, speed, construction and comfort.

So to close out, my advice would be to buy as large and as well-maintained a 
boat that you feel you will be able to afford over time. I would also advise 
against doing what I do. I just enjoy fixing up old things. I’ve never been 
called smart. :-)

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Apr 24, 2019, at 3:05 PM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Dave. 
> 
> I think there is probably a big difference between going down the Pacific 
> coast to Mexico, and going offshore to Hawaii or the South Pacific, mainly in 
> that the former is limited to 3-5 days offshore between safe ports, vs 20+ 
> days for the latter, meaning weather windows are easier to hit. At this early 
> stage, I really don't know if we'll go offshore, but if things go well, I'd 
> like to go down the coast to Mexico at least, without having to search for 
> another boat. If I already had enough experience, I'd probably just fly to 
> California and find a boat there, then sail it to Mexico, and have the 
> advantage of 10x as many boats to choose from. But I want to sail our local 
> waters first, something I've wanted to do since I was a kid. I grew up around 
> powerboats and fishing boats, and always looking longingly at the sailboats 
> as I endured the drone and smell of the engine...
> 
> Your accounting of your purchase is quite interesting; thanks. Does that 
> include moorage/storage, insurance, etc.? If so, that is very good value. 
> What do you think she would sell for today? If we had done this a few years 
> ago when I was still working, I would just spend the money on a nicer boat, 
> or not worry about fixing it up. But being only a few months into retirement, 
> and with my wife still working but soon to retire also, the uncertainty of 
> our real living expenses going forward are a significant factor. Moorage is 
> at least $4K/year here, unless we can join a club, or put it on a mooring 
> buoy, but winter storms are an issue with a buoy. Lots of spare parts on the 
> beaches this winter from all the boats washed ashore...
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Lots of offshore miles on my 40. The new owner is about to head back from the 
Bahamas to NY. Friends remarked after a trip to Bermuda on their 49 one fall 
that when the wind got DOWN to 30 it felt like they were becalmed. :) they got 
through the ordeal with no damage.
Andy

Andrew Burton
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Middletown, RI 
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> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:50, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Shawn,
> 
> I'm still lurking here.  My 35-3, a 37, Impromptu, and Rick's LF 38 have all 
> been to Bermuda.  Personally, I consider 35 the minimum for offshore, but 
> obviously, others have different standards.
> 
> Never saw winds over 30 (on the return) and never felt unsafe.
> 
> Joel
> Formerly The Office
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current boat 
>> purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so, which 
>> boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not gone 
>> offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C, and how 
>> would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel about 
>> taking it offshore?
>> 
>> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh), 
>> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from BC 
>> to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light air 
>> boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can take a 
>> beating without worrying about our safety.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Shawn Wright
>> shawngwri...@gmail.com
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>> every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use 
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> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[svrebeccaleah via CnC-List]

My Landfall 39 has crossed the Pacific a couple of time with previous owners. 
Although not a light air boat (compared to the LF38), It feels solid under full 
sail in 25kt winds. Doug Mountjoy Sv Rebecca Leah LF39 1988253-208-1412Port 
Orchard YC wa.
 Original message From: Jeff Helsdingen via CnC-List 
 Date: 4/24/19  13:16  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jeff Helsdingen  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List C as offshore boat? According to stories from the previous owner my 
35-1 sailed across the Atlantic and back with either the first or second owner. 
On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 3:06 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List, 
 wrote:Thanks, Dave. I think there is probably a big 
difference between going down the Pacific coast to Mexico, and going offshore 
to Hawaii or the South Pacific, mainly in that the former is limited to 3-5 
days offshore between safe ports, vs 20+ days for the latter, meaning weather 
windows are easier to hit. At this early stage, I really don't know if we'll go 
offshore, but if things go well, I'd like to go down the coast to Mexico at 
least, without having to search for another boat. If I already had enough 
experience, I'd probably just fly to California and find a boat there, then 
sail it to Mexico, and have the advantage of 10x as many boats to choose from. 
But I want to sail our local waters first, something I've wanted to do since I 
was a kid. I grew up around powerboats and fishing boats, and always looking 
longingly at the sailboats as I endured the drone and smell of the 
engine...Your accounting of your purchase is quite interesting; thanks. Does 
that include moorage/storage, insurance, etc.? If so, that is very good value. 
What do you think she would sell for today? If we had done this a few years ago 
when I was still working, I would just spend the money on a nicer boat, or not 
worry about fixing it up. But being only a few months into retirement, and with 
my wife still working but soon to retire also, the uncertainty of our real 
living expenses going forward are a significant factor. Moorage is at least 
$4K/year here, unless we can join a club, or put it on a mooring buoy, but 
winter storms are an issue with a buoy. Lots of spare parts on the beaches this 
winter from all the boats washed ashore...On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 9:45 AM Dave 
Godwin  wrote:Shawn,Been watching your rumination on buying 
that 35-II.I’ve delivered a C 34 from Fort Lauderdale to Port Royal, Jamaica, 
no stops. It was fine for that but all we had to deal with was constant 
headwinds for days on end.I’m flying into Ponta Delgada, Azores on May 4 to 
assist my friend on the final leg home to Gosport, England from Antigua. They 
just spent 48 hours in Force 7 conditions mid-Atlantic. I would not have wanted 
to be in my boat in those conditions. His boat is an Oyster 485. Big 
difference.I consider my boat to be a good coastal cruiser. I’d go to Bermuda 
with (hopefully) a good weather window. IMO, C’s are quite strong but have 
their limits if extended offshore passage making is the desire.Of course, the 
French regularly pile entire families on Beneteaus and cross oceans just fine.  
;-)Regards,
Dave Godwin1982 C 37 - RoninReedville - Chesapeake BayRonin’s Overdue Refit
P.S.Back to your purchase decision thread. We bought our boat in 1997 as a 
bank repo. The description of the 35-II sounds much better compared to the 
condition of our boat when we purchased it. One thing to consider is the 
average cost to own over time. Despite replacing/rebuilding or adding 1) engine 
rebuild, 2) all wiring, 3) plumbing, 4) cushions, 5) roller furling, 6) sails, 
7) electronics, 8) below deck autopilot, 9) stove, 10) distribution panel, 11) 
windlass, 12) fixed ports (2x), 13) opening ports (2x), 14) cabin sole (2x), 
15) Harken self-tailing deck winches (2x), 16) Harken mainsheet traveler system 
(2x), 17) all new rod and running rigging, well, I’ll stop there. No, wait. 
Completel Awlcraft paint job, hull and topsides. Whew!But here’s the deal; I 
keep detailed records as part of my rebuild “hobby” and the yearly average 
costs over time is $7,000.00 U.S. Includes everything with the exception of the 
$25,000 that we paid for it.I will be interested in your decision. Good luck!
On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List  
wrote:I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current 
boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so, which 
boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not gone 
offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C, and how 
would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel about 
taking it offshore?One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 
(don't laugh), partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has 
been from BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good 
light air boat seems like a better choice

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Jeff Helsdingen via CnC-List]

According to stories from the previous owner my 35-1 sailed across the
Atlantic and back with either the first or second owner.

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 3:06 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List, <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Dave.
>
> I think there is probably a big difference between going down the Pacific
> coast to Mexico, and going offshore to Hawaii or the South Pacific, mainly
> in that the former is limited to 3-5 days offshore between safe ports, vs
> 20+ days for the latter, meaning weather windows are easier to hit. At this
> early stage, I really don't know if we'll go offshore, but if things go
> well, I'd like to go down the coast to Mexico at least, without having to
> search for another boat. If I already had enough experience, I'd probably
> just fly to California and find a boat there, then sail it to Mexico, and
> have the advantage of 10x as many boats to choose from. But I want to sail
> our local waters first, something I've wanted to do since I was a kid. I
> grew up around powerboats and fishing boats, and always looking longingly
> at the sailboats as I endured the drone and smell of the engine...
>
> Your accounting of your purchase is quite interesting; thanks. Does that
> include moorage/storage, insurance, etc.? If so, that is very good value.
> What do you think she would sell for today? If we had done this a few years
> ago when I was still working, I would just spend the money on a nicer boat,
> or not worry about fixing it up. But being only a few months into
> retirement, and with my wife still working but soon to retire also, the
> uncertainty of our real living expenses going forward are a significant
> factor. Moorage is at least $4K/year here, unless we can join a club, or
> put it on a mooring buoy, but winter storms are an issue with a buoy. Lots
> of spare parts on the beaches this winter from all the boats washed
> ashore...
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 9:45 AM Dave Godwin  wrote:
>
>> Shawn,
>>
>> Been watching your rumination on buying that 35-II.
>>
>> I’ve delivered a C 34 from Fort Lauderdale to Port Royal, Jamaica, no
>> stops. It was fine for that but all we had to deal with was constant
>> headwinds for days on end.
>>
>> I’m flying into Ponta Delgada, Azores on May 4 to assist my friend on the
>> final leg home to Gosport, England from Antigua. They just spent 48 hours
>> in Force 7 conditions mid-Atlantic. I would not have wanted to be in my
>> boat in those conditions. His boat is an Oyster 485. Big difference.
>>
>> I consider my boat to be a good coastal cruiser. I’d go to Bermuda with
>> (hopefully) a good weather window. IMO, C’s are quite strong but have
>> their limits if extended offshore passage making is the desire.
>>
>> Of course, the French regularly pile entire families on Beneteaus and
>> cross oceans just fine.  ;-)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave Godwin
>> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
>> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
>> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>>
>> P.S. Back to your purchase decision thread. We bought our boat in 1997
>> as a bank repo. The description of the 35-II sounds much better compared to
>> the condition of our boat when we purchased it. One thing to consider is
>> the average cost to own over time. Despite replacing/rebuilding or adding
>> 1) engine rebuild, 2) all wiring, 3) plumbing, 4) cushions, 5) roller
>> furling, 6) sails, 7) electronics, 8) below deck autopilot, 9) stove, 10)
>> distribution panel, 11) windlass, 12) fixed ports (2x), 13) opening ports
>> (2x), 14) cabin sole (2x), 15) Harken self-tailing deck winches (2x), 16)
>> Harken mainsheet traveler system (2x), 17) all new rod and running rigging,
>> well, I’ll stop there. No, wait. Completel Awlcraft paint job, hull and
>> topsides. Whew!
>>
>> But here’s the deal; I keep detailed records as part of my rebuild
>> “hobby” and the yearly average costs over time is $7,000.00 U.S. Includes
>> everything with the exception of the $25,000 that we paid for it.
>>
>> I will be interested in your decision. Good luck!
>>
>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
>> boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so,
>> which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
>> gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C,
>> and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
>> about taking it offshore?
>>
>> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh),
>> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from
>> BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light
>> air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can
>> take a beating without worrying about our safety.
>>
>> --
>> Shawn Wright
>> shawngwri...@gmail.com
>> 

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Thanks, Dave.

I think there is probably a big difference between going down the Pacific
coast to Mexico, and going offshore to Hawaii or the South Pacific, mainly
in that the former is limited to 3-5 days offshore between safe ports, vs
20+ days for the latter, meaning weather windows are easier to hit. At this
early stage, I really don't know if we'll go offshore, but if things go
well, I'd like to go down the coast to Mexico at least, without having to
search for another boat. If I already had enough experience, I'd probably
just fly to California and find a boat there, then sail it to Mexico, and
have the advantage of 10x as many boats to choose from. But I want to sail
our local waters first, something I've wanted to do since I was a kid. I
grew up around powerboats and fishing boats, and always looking longingly
at the sailboats as I endured the drone and smell of the engine...

Your accounting of your purchase is quite interesting; thanks. Does that
include moorage/storage, insurance, etc.? If so, that is very good value.
What do you think she would sell for today? If we had done this a few years
ago when I was still working, I would just spend the money on a nicer boat,
or not worry about fixing it up. But being only a few months into
retirement, and with my wife still working but soon to retire also, the
uncertainty of our real living expenses going forward are a significant
factor. Moorage is at least $4K/year here, unless we can join a club, or
put it on a mooring buoy, but winter storms are an issue with a buoy. Lots
of spare parts on the beaches this winter from all the boats washed
ashore...



On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 9:45 AM Dave Godwin  wrote:

> Shawn,
>
> Been watching your rumination on buying that 35-II.
>
> I’ve delivered a C 34 from Fort Lauderdale to Port Royal, Jamaica, no
> stops. It was fine for that but all we had to deal with was constant
> headwinds for days on end.
>
> I’m flying into Ponta Delgada, Azores on May 4 to assist my friend on the
> final leg home to Gosport, England from Antigua. They just spent 48 hours
> in Force 7 conditions mid-Atlantic. I would not have wanted to be in my
> boat in those conditions. His boat is an Oyster 485. Big difference.
>
> I consider my boat to be a good coastal cruiser. I’d go to Bermuda with
> (hopefully) a good weather window. IMO, C’s are quite strong but have
> their limits if extended offshore passage making is the desire.
>
> Of course, the French regularly pile entire families on Beneteaus and
> cross oceans just fine.  ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>
> P.S. Back to your purchase decision thread. We bought our boat in 1997 as
> a bank repo. The description of the 35-II sounds much better compared to
> the condition of our boat when we purchased it. One thing to consider is
> the average cost to own over time. Despite replacing/rebuilding or adding
> 1) engine rebuild, 2) all wiring, 3) plumbing, 4) cushions, 5) roller
> furling, 6) sails, 7) electronics, 8) below deck autopilot, 9) stove, 10)
> distribution panel, 11) windlass, 12) fixed ports (2x), 13) opening ports
> (2x), 14) cabin sole (2x), 15) Harken self-tailing deck winches (2x), 16)
> Harken mainsheet traveler system (2x), 17) all new rod and running rigging,
> well, I’ll stop there. No, wait. Completel Awlcraft paint job, hull and
> topsides. Whew!
>
> But here’s the deal; I keep detailed records as part of my rebuild “hobby”
> and the yearly average costs over time is $7,000.00 U.S. Includes
> everything with the exception of the $25,000 that we paid for it.
>
> I will be interested in your decision. Good luck!
>
> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
> boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so,
> which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
> gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C,
> and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
> about taking it offshore?
>
> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh),
> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from
> BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light
> air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can
> take a beating without worrying about our safety.
>
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
> ___
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>
>
>

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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Thanks, Alan. How do you find the 35-3 compares with the Ericson 2-30 in
terms of build and sailing properties? I know they are different sizes from
different eras, but just curious. Ericson was my first choice for a while
until I basically gave up finding a good one locally. I've seen on only one
32-200 in the past year, and it was over $40K.
I know what you mean about size not mattering; a friend has gone around the
globe twice, including Cape Horn, in 27' - 1st an Albin Vega, and later a
Vancouver 27. The Vancouver is a tough little boat, but lack of a proper
double berth rules it out for us.

The Ericson guys say there is a big difference in hull stiffness between
the older 70s boats and the 80s+ boats with the integral grid in the hull
pan. So I wonder how much flexing a 35-2 will undergo in rough seas, and
how this will impact the boat over time. An Ericson 35-2 is currently
offshore and the owner has reported lots of hull flexing, and they are
built very similar to 70s C, with very thick FG (nearly 1" at the bottom
of hull), but only stringers every 18-24" across the hull, so the hull
flexes longitudinally in rough seas, which must be hard on the rig.

I have heard the same reports about seas off the Wa/BC coast (and have
experienced a bit of it in a power boat), including more than one person
who has gone around the globe, and said they encountered the worst
conditions off this coast.



On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 9:10 AM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I've sailed my boat along the coast of Washington, no more than fifteen
> miles offshore. In my more than fifty years of sailing, the waters along
> the Washington coast are the worst in which I've ever sailed. Strongest
> winds I've ever encountered were forty-two knots true, sailing DDW in the
> Straits of Juan de Fuca. (Blew out a spinnaker.) It was scary, but a
> hell-of-a-ride, and I had faith in the boat. I sailed my previous boat, and
> Ericson 2-30 offshore as well, and a friend of mine single-handed a Flicka
> (20'; 24' if you count the bowsprit) from Hawaii to Tahiti to Hawaii to
> Port Townsend, WA. That just confirms the expression "Size doesn't matter."
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:51 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Shawn,
>>
>> I'm still lurking here.  My 35-3, a 37, Impromptu, and Rick's LF 38 have
>> all been to Bermuda.  Personally, I consider 35 the minimum for offshore,
>> but obviously, others have different standards.
>>
>> Never saw winds over 30 (on the return) and never felt unsafe.
>>
>> Joel
>> Formerly The Office
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
>>> boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so,
>>> which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
>>> gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C,
>>> and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
>>> about taking it offshore?
>>>
>>> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't
>>> laugh), partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has
>>> been from BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a
>>> good light air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something
>>> that can take a beating without worrying about our safety.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shawn Wright
>>> shawngwri...@gmail.com
>>> ___
>>>
>>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
>>> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
>>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Joel
>> 301 541 8551
>> ___
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Shawn,

Been watching your rumination on buying that 35-II.

I’ve delivered a C 34 from Fort Lauderdale to Port Royal, Jamaica, no stops. 
It was fine for that but all we had to deal with was constant headwinds for 
days on end.

I’m flying into Ponta Delgada, Azores on May 4 to assist my friend on the final 
leg home to Gosport, England from Antigua. They just spent 48 hours in Force 7 
conditions mid-Atlantic. I would not have wanted to be in my boat in those 
conditions. His boat is an Oyster 485. Big difference.

I consider my boat to be a good coastal cruiser. I’d go to Bermuda with 
(hopefully) a good weather window. IMO, C’s are quite strong but have their 
limits if extended offshore passage making is the desire.

Of course, the French regularly pile entire families on Beneteaus and cross 
oceans just fine.  ;-)

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

P.S.Back to your purchase decision thread. We bought our boat in 1997 as a 
bank repo. The description of the 35-II sounds much better compared to the 
condition of our boat when we purchased it. One thing to consider is the 
average cost to own over time. Despite replacing/rebuilding or adding 1) engine 
rebuild, 2) all wiring, 3) plumbing, 4) cushions, 5) roller furling, 6) sails, 
7) electronics, 8) below deck autopilot, 9) stove, 10) distribution panel, 11) 
windlass, 12) fixed ports (2x), 13) opening ports (2x), 14) cabin sole (2x), 
15) Harken self-tailing deck winches (2x), 16) Harken mainsheet traveler system 
(2x), 17) all new rod and running rigging, well, I’ll stop there. No, wait. 
Completel Awlcraft paint job, hull and topsides. Whew!

But here’s the deal; I keep detailed records as part of my rebuild “hobby” and 
the yearly average costs over time is $7,000.00 U.S. Includes everything with 
the exception of the $25,000 that we paid for it.

I will be interested in your decision. Good luck!

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current boat 
> purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so, which 
> boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not gone 
> offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C, and how 
> would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel about 
> taking it offshore?
> 
> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh), 
> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from BC 
> to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light air 
> boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can take a 
> beating without worrying about our safety.
> 
> -- 
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com 
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I've sailed my boat along the coast of Washington, no more than fifteen
miles offshore. In my more than fifty years of sailing, the waters along
the Washington coast are the worst in which I've ever sailed. Strongest
winds I've ever encountered were forty-two knots true, sailing DDW in the
Straits of Juan de Fuca. (Blew out a spinnaker.) It was scary, but a
hell-of-a-ride, and I had faith in the boat. I sailed my previous boat, and
Ericson 2-30 offshore as well, and a friend of mine single-handed a Flicka
(20'; 24' if you count the bowsprit) from Hawaii to Tahiti to Hawaii to
Port Townsend, WA. That just confirms the expression "Size doesn't matter."

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:51 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Shawn,
>
> I'm still lurking here.  My 35-3, a 37, Impromptu, and Rick's LF 38 have
> all been to Bermuda.  Personally, I consider 35 the minimum for offshore,
> but obviously, others have different standards.
>
> Never saw winds over 30 (on the return) and never felt unsafe.
>
> Joel
> Formerly The Office
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
>> boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so,
>> which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
>> gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C,
>> and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
>> about taking it offshore?
>>
>> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh),
>> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from
>> BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light
>> air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can
>> take a beating without worrying about our safety.
>>
>> --
>> Shawn Wright
>> shawngwri...@gmail.com
>> ___
>>
>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
>> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> 
>>
>>
>
> --
> Joel
> 301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Shawn,

I'm still lurking here.  My 35-3, a 37, Impromptu, and Rick's LF 38 have
all been to Bermuda.  Personally, I consider 35 the minimum for offshore,
but obviously, others have different standards.

Never saw winds over 30 (on the return) and never felt unsafe.

Joel
Formerly The Office

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
> boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so,
> which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
> gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C,
> and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
> about taking it offshore?
>
> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh),
> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from
> BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light
> air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can
> take a beating without worrying about our safety.
>
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
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Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so,
which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C,
and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
about taking it offshore?

One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh),
partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from
BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light
air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can
take a beating without worrying about our safety.

-- 
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
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