date:20090416

This is interesting. It's a sort of one-stop shop for finding alternative
software, with customer ratings, filterable by OS (Mac, Windows, Linux):
Think of it like forever evolving blog posts about good alternatives to the
software that you're not satisfied with.

E.g., someone here was looking for a Windows replacement for Windows iTunes;
the site lists 15. Granted, not all of them make a lot of sense, but it's
place to start.

The site's in beta, and there's an oddness: you have to register and log in
with OpenID or a Facebook account to view the comments. But it's not a bad
idea.

http://alternativeto.net


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Re: [CGUYS] OS X on Dell Mini 9

2009-04-16 Thread Reid Katan


Quoting Eric S. Sande esa...@erols.com:

I was surprised the first time I tried it. Windows blows less when   
running on good hardware.


That's hardly news, what's your point?


My guess would be that his point is that Windows is not such a bad OS  
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Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

And you're calling other people idiots?

What do you want to call someone who gets involved in a highly technical 
business in which they are going to spend real money without informing 
themselves about the technology?

I suppose some would gleefully call them sheep waiting to be shorn.

A good friend would say to them Hey, you are being an idiot! STOP! You 
need to find out more about this before you go losing your money.

What have you got against being a good friend?


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Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

Tom part of the problem  is that you intimate someone is an idiot if 
they do not agree with you.


There are plenty of folks who graduate and get into the industry and 
know as much as you do or more and they make different choices and 
choose different OS's and hardware does that make them idiots?


My brother has a BS in engineering.  Has worked IT for many many, 
years and uses Windows.  He has also used proprietary systems from 
the airline industries.  He still uses windows at work and at home.


You may disagree with him on his OS choices and his preferences, but 
do not call him or intimate he is an idiot.


Stewart


At 08:30 AM 4/16/2009, you wrote:

What do you want to call someone who gets involved in a highly technical
business in which they are going to spend real money without informing
themselves about the technology?

I suppose some would gleefully call them sheep waiting to be shorn.

A good friend would say to them Hey, you are being an idiot! STOP! You
need to find out more about this before you go losing your money.

What have you got against being a good friend?


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Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]

Using your hint (but still no links) I searched the database for posts 
with 7 Windows or Windows 7 and M$, but I came up dry. I can't find 
any evidence that the offensive event ever happened.

When I search on I have no major arguments with the content I get just 
one hit and that is your current post to which I am now replying. So I 
can't find any evidence that the protest was ever lodged.

The folks who run the archive tell me there is no way to delete posts 
once they have entered the archive.

So strange. It is as if the whole thing never happened.

 Tom looked in the archive and could't find it. Of course Chris'
 accusation is conveniently vague so who knows exactly what to look for.

Taxes filed, I had time to look for this. Your apology is accepted in
advance.



List:   computerguys-l
Subject:Re: 7 windows updates!
From:   Chris Dunford com () COVESOFTWARE ! COM
Date:   2005-06-16 0:08:57
[Download message RAW]

M$ bashing for it own sake

I have no major arguments with the content of your message, but--hoping not
to give offense--if you're going to quote messages, please don't alter the
quotation. I said MS, not M$, which I think is rather tired at this
point (and, frankly, was kinda silly to begin with).

Regards,
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Re: [CGUYS] OS X on Dell Mini 9

The real result with the MacBook: Two OS for the price of ONE notebook. In 
businesses that have site licenses for their software, the Mac is the best 
deal. Otherwise, choose whichever is best for you, but comparable machines 
have comparable prices.

Time and time again we have magazines and blogs that tear down and price 
Mac PCs vs. Windows PCs and demonstrate exactly that: comparable machines 
have comparable prices. Yet the WFBs keep insisting that they are cheap 
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Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

You should be blogging and/or get back on radio (or podcast) about your
technological/social/political views.

Have you located us a rich sponsor?

Add in Chris and Jeff and we could be as obnoxious as the McLaughlin 
Group. It would be much better than the tiresome Cranky Geeks.


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Re: [CGUYS] OS X on Dell Mini 9

I was surprised the first time I tried it. Windows blows less 
when running on good hardware.

That's hardly news, what's your point?

The point should be hardly news too, but seems to be much in dispute 
here. Cheap hardware yields cheap results. The computers bought by Lauren 
and G were bad mistakes.


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Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

Tom part of the problem  is that you intimate someone is an idiot if 
they do not agree with you.

To me, your use of the word intimate means that the association is 
something being created in your mind. I certainly do not think that I 
typically call people idiots. You are jumping to conclusions -- as I 
recently did with the post about Rep. Frank. Reviewing that post I see 
that I was wrong. I hope you do too.

For this one thread I deliberately used the word idiot to make a point. 
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Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

You call people names on this list often, then you complain when others do
it who have not.  I don't say this to be argumentative, I say it because
over the last few months you have become worse in this area.  I think we can
all agree that the Rev is hardly a flame thrower

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 Tom part of the problem  is that you intimate someone is an idiot if
 they do not agree with you.

 To me, your use of the word intimate means that the association is
 something being created in your mind. I certainly do not think that I
 typically call people idiots. You are jumping to conclusions -- as I
 recently did with the post about Rep. Frank. Reviewing that post I see
 that I was wrong. I hope you do too.

 For this one thread I deliberately used the word idiot to make a point.
 I think that was a valid point.


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Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

What was I wrong about.  You and I have some fundamental differences 
on perspective on wether or not Washington is going to save us from themselves.


I happen to disagree with you.

Stewart


At 09:07 AM 4/16/2009, you wrote:

To me, your use of the word intimate means that the association is
something being created in your mind. I certainly do not think that I
typically call people idiots. You are jumping to conclusions -- as I
recently did with the post about Rep. Frank. Reviewing that post I see
that I was wrong. I hope you do too.

For this one thread I deliberately used the word idiot to make a point.
I think that was a valid point.


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Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]

 Using your hint (but still no links) I searched the database for posts
 with 7 Windows or Windows 7 and M$, but I came up dry. I can't
 find
 any evidence that the offensive event ever happened.
 
 When I search on I have no major arguments with the content I get
 just
 one hit and that is your current post to which I am now replying. So I
 can't find any evidence that the protest was ever lodged.
 
 The folks who run the archive tell me there is no way to delete posts
 once they have entered the archive.
 
 So strange. It is as if the whole thing never happened.

This is intolerable. You don't know how to search your own archive, nor are
you apparently aware that MARC does not provide a usable link from search
results. And then you pretty much say that I am making this up.

I will give you explicit instructions.

1. Go to http://cguys.org.
2. Find the section labeled List Archives.
3. Click the MARC link.
4. Type I have no major arguments in the Search Box.
5. See the item dated 2005-06-16.
6. Apologize.


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Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

 What do you want to call someone who gets involved in a highly technical
 business in which they are going to spend real money without informing
 themselves about the technology?

 I suppose some would gleefully call them sheep waiting to be shorn.

 A good friend would say to them Hey, you are being an idiot! STOP! You
 need to find out more about this before you go losing your money.

 What have you got against being a good friend?

See Tom's Rule of Social Intercourse #1.


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Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

 You should be blogging and/or get back on radio (or podcast) about
 your
 technological/social/political views.
 
 Have you located us a rich sponsor?
 
 Add in Chris and Jeff and we could be as obnoxious as the McLaughlin
 Group. It would be much better than the tiresome Cranky Geeks.

This is completely unfair. Why did you omit Mike?


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Re: [CGUYS] OS X on Dell Mini 9

 Time and time again we have magazines and blogs that tear down and price
 Mac PCs vs. Windows PCs and demonstrate exactly that: comparable machines
 have comparable prices. Yet the WFBs keep insisting that they are cheap
 and that cheap is a virtue. So wrong and so tiresome.

Only someone dedicated to weaselly ways could claim such a comparison
as legitimate.

You can't compare a monolithic brand to a polylithic brand get a
coherent result, unless, of course, your intention is to cook the
books for a lopsided result.  See 1.7% profit margins.

Now, if you were to run a comparison of Apple vs. Dell, or Apple vs.
Lenovo, then you'd have the basis a reasonable test.  The rest is
blowing much smoke up many asses.


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Re: [CGUYS] OS X on Dell Mini 9

You are reaching; your splitting hairs, fishing for excuses to attack
are evident.  Sheesh: dedicated to weaselly ways.

Why not give this topic a rest?

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
 Time and time again we have magazines and blogs that tear down and 
 price Mac PCs vs. Windows PCs and demonstrate exactly that: comparable

 machines have comparable prices. Yet the WFBs keep insisting that they

 are cheap and that cheap is a virtue. So wrong and so tiresome.

Only someone dedicated to weaselly ways could claim such a comparison as
legitimate.

You can't compare a monolithic brand to a polylithic brand get a
coherent result, unless, of course, your intention is to cook the books
for a lopsided result.  See 1.7% profit margins.

Now, if you were to run a comparison of Apple vs. Dell, or Apple vs.
Lenovo, then you'd have the basis a reasonable test.  The rest is
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Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
popoz...@earthlink.net wrote:

 My brother has a BS in engineering.  Has worked IT for many many, years and
 uses Windows.  He has also used proprietary systems from the airline
 industries.  He still uses windows at work and at home.

  Ditto my brother.  He works in software programming, primarily
database work.  He has to use Windows at his work and also uses
Windows for his personal use.  I have asked him about this and he says
his work situation ties in so closely with his private time that he
basically is forced to use Windows and nothing but Windows all the
time.

  Although he generally considers the Mac hardware and the Mac OS to
be superior overall, he has never really used Macs much.  Most of what
he knows of the Mac OS and how it works is from what he hears from
many of his peers at work who, although they have to work with Windows
on the job, have bought Macs for themselves at home and come into work
talking all about how great the Mac platform is for all sorts of
things.  He says, and rightly so, that Windows is best for most
business needs, but that the Mac seems best for creative and artistic
needs.  My brother is apparently so severely wedded to his work
situation that he sees no choice but to stick with Windows 24/7 lest
he possibly go hungry.  One could almost say that he is currently a
bit enslaved.

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Re: [CGUYS] OS X on Dell Mini 9

 You are reaching; your splitting hairs, fishing for excuses to attack
 are evident.  Sheesh: dedicated to weaselly ways.

Are you applying for an internship to Weaselly Ways?  We think you
have what it takes.

I'll just put you down for a yes on Book Cooking, but it's
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Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

This is completely unfair. Why did you omit Mike?

He has an Equity card and I don't want to pay scale.


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Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]

2009-04-16 Thread Jordan


Chris Dunford wrote:
This is intolerable. 

Yes! What an outrage!
If I were you I'd quit this list!


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Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]

This is intolerable. You don't know how to search your own archive, nor are
you apparently aware that MARC does not provide a usable link from search
results. And then you pretty much say that I am making this up.

I use mail-archive.com and it does. There is just one hit (well now there 
are 3)...
http://www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/msg18801.html

The MARC goes further back. I see it. That is a 4 year old post! Well now 
we all know that you can carry a grudge for years and years. So everybody 
be careful of Chris.

The MARC does provide usable links. I can't see why it gives you any 
problems.
http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-lw=2r=1s=I+have+no+major+argumentsq=b

Note that your 4-year-old post does not quote the text so I can't go 
looking for the text you objected to and I can't go looking for the 
original text.

Dead end. Still a tempest in a teapot.


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Re: [CGUYS] OS X on Dell Mini 9

Ah,  a flame-thrower speaking down to his critic using first-person
plural.  I tremble at the pomposity.  

By Book cooking you must mean: anything that results in conclusions that
do not agree with your preconceived notions.

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
Are you applying for an internship to Weaselly Ways?  We think you have
what it takes.

I'll just put you down for a yes on Book Cooking, but it's
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Re: [CGUYS] OS X on Dell Mini 9

 By Book cooking you must mean: anything that results in conclusions that
 do not agree with your preconceived notions.

Have you audited this course before?  I see no need to bore you at the
introductory level course.  We're moving you right up to the advanced
level course to take advantage of your skill set.

We're proud to have nothing but Top Men at Weaselly Ways.  Dean Jobs
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Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl

 My brother has a BS in engineering.

And I have a BEE, which I think outranks a BS. So what?

My brother is apparently so severely wedded to his work situation that he 
sees no choice but to stick with Windows 24/7 lest he possibly go hungry.  
One could almost say that he is currently a bit enslaved.

Now even I would not use such inflammatory language. Though I find the 
picture of Ballmer as slave master quite intriguing. He's wearing a black 
hood and carrying a cat-o-nine-tails.


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What he does in private stays in private.

Stewart


At 11:11 AM 4/16/2009, you wrote:

Now even I would not use such inflammatory language. Though I find the
picture of Ballmer as slave master quite intriguing. He's wearing a black
hood and carrying a cat-o-nine-tails.


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Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]

  This is intolerable.
 Yes! What an outrage!
 If I were you I'd quit this list!

I hope Tom never calls you a liar when you aren't. You might feel differently.


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Re: [CGUYS] OS X on Dell Mini 9

Jeff, you have nothing except fan bois left.

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
 By Book cooking you must mean: anything that results in conclusions 
 that do not agree with your preconceived notions.

Have you audited this course before?  I see no need to bore you at the
introductory level course.  We're moving you right up to the advanced
level course to take advantage of your skill set.

We're proud to have nothing but Top Men at Weaselly Ways.  Dean Jobs
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Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]

2009-04-16 Thread David K Watson


I don't know about Tom, but I followed those directions and did one
better:  I actually went back to look at the offending post (previous
in thread).  The person who offended you so much quotes your
entire post WITHOUT ALTERATION, in which you talk about
MS-bashing for its own sake, then he starts his reply with


M$ bashing for it own sake Microsoft makes Sake, is it any good? ;-

and goes on to reply to your argument without using this at all.

So:
1) He does quote you completely and accurately, and with
attribution
2) He does misquote you in a brief snippet he uses, but the clear
use of  that snippet is to refer readers to the part of your original  
post

that he wants to make a lame pun about.  It wasn't intended to change
the original meaning of what you wrote at all, and wasn't used at all
in the real part of his response.
3) Evidence strongly suggests that he had simply mistyped the snippet
and was not making a deliberate change.  Notice in the snippet he
writes it where you wrote its, and in his post you'll see that he
reflexively types M$ when referring to Microsoft.

Now, you may think that I am far too easy-going, but if someone
quotes me fully and accurately, but then misquotes a piece of a
phrase of mine to make a joke, and the misquote is possibly a
transcription error on his part, then I really doubt that I would waste
the effort of commenting on it.  And I really, really doubt that the
umbrage of it would rankle so much that I would still remember and
raise a huge fuss about it four years later.

I take back what I said about finding this thread tiresome.  I have
begun to find it hugely entertaining.  I impatiently await the next
comments on the subject.


From:Chris Dunford ch...@covesoftware.com
Subject: Re: M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]

Using your hint (but still no links) I searched the database for  
posts

with 7 Windows or Windows 7 and M$, but I came up dry. I can't
find
any evidence that the offensive event ever happened.

When I search on I have no major arguments with the content I get
just
one hit and that is your current post to which I am now replying.  
So I

can't find any evidence that the protest was ever lodged.

The folks who run the archive tell me there is no way to delete posts
once they have entered the archive.

So strange. It is as if the whole thing never happened.


This is intolerable. You don't know how to search your own archive,  
nor are
you apparently aware that MARC does not provide a usable link from  
search

results. And then you pretty much say that I am making this up.

I will give you explicit instructions.

1. Go to http://cguys.org.
2. Find the section labeled List Archives.
3. Click the MARC link.
4. Type I have no major arguments in the Search Box.
5. See the item dated 2005-06-16.
6. Apologize.



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Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]

Still no apology for calling me a liar, I see.

There you go again. I did not call you a liar. I was merely skeptical. I 
asked for a link, which is a very common request around here. You did not 
provide one. I also went to research it myself, but came up dry. Saying 
that I could not find what you were bringing up is not calling you a 
liar. 

Seeing that the post you refer to is 4 years old does put things in a 
different light. Calling it is a tempest in a teapot is simply correct, 
nothing to apologize for there.

Your insisting that we refer to Microsoft in reverental tones is just 
plain silly. Yes I did call you silly.

Your inability to stay on topic and vigorous attempts to drag the 
discussion to irrelevancies is tedious. Yes I'm calling you tedious. 

Quit the fake umbrage. Quit wasting bandwidth.


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Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]

2009-04-16 Thread Jordan


Chris Dunford wrote:

This is intolerable.
  

Yes! What an outrage!
If I were you I'd quit this list!



I hope Tom never calls you a liar when you aren't. You might feel differently.

  
Honestly, I think you've been a bit thin skinned and over-reactive on 
this. Or maybe angry and  a little obsessed with putting Tom down.

It's just a list. Way too casual to be so offended about MS vs. M$.
This list used to be more of a friendly place most of the time. I find 
the attacks on Tom by you and Mutt and Jeff to be infantile. As often 
than not, they are attacks on Tom, rather than on the concepts he 
believes are valid. More like a nasty bunch of playground jerks that I 
would never have anything to do with in life.
I'm not sure why Tom bothers with these conversations. Maybe he's 
frustrated with what a cesspool the list has become, and he's just 
pushing back.


I understand that since I'm being down on you and your pals that it will 
be easy to dismiss what I'm saying. But I'm just venting and saying what 
feel about these exchanges.
Why do you seem so personally offended by attacks on MS and Windows. You 
are not MS. I'm sure you can find something better to think about.



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Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]

 The person who offended you so much ...

You (and Tom) are blowing my rather mild comment all out of proportion. I
mentioned it because it came to mind in the context of the discussion. This
isn't something I spend every night stewing about; I simply remember that it
happened because it is so unusual, even on the lawless Internet, for a quote
to be altered. 

I didn't ask anyone to do anything. I didn't expect a follow-up of any kind.
I certainly didn't expect Tom to respond with a very snide comment about
requiring reverence to MS.

You'll also note that my reply to the original person was also pretty mild.
I agreed with the content of his message and just asked him to be more
careful about quoting. I included the words hoping not to give offense. 

I'm not pissed about the quoting. I'm pissed about Tom's ridiculous
response.


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Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]

 There you go again. I did not call you a liar. 

OK, so when you say, The folks who run the archive tell me there is no way
to delete posts once they have entered the archive. So strange. It is as if
the whole thing never happened, that's not an implication that I made it
up? Seriously? Are you THAT disingenuous?

 Your insisting that we refer to Microsoft in reverental tones is just
plain silly.

I did no such thing. Find it and prove it.

Here, I'll save you the trouble. Here's the message again in its entirety:

A while back, someone replied to a message from me and actually changed
MS to M$ in the quoted text. MY text. That's inexcusable, as far as I'm
concerned.

In your opinion, this is insisting that we refer to Microsoft in
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Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]

Saying Chris parts his hair on the [pick one: left | right] would deeply
offend him.  And continue without abatement for years.

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
Still no apology for calling me a liar, I see.

There you go again. I did not call you a liar. I was merely skeptical. I
asked for a link, which is a very common request around here. You did
not provide one. I also went to research it myself, but came up dry.
Saying that I could not find what you were bringing up is not calling
you a liar. 

Seeing that the post you refer to is 4 years old does put things in a
different light. Calling it is a tempest in a teapot is simply correct,
nothing to apologize for there.

Your insisting that we refer to Microsoft in reverental tones is just
plain silly. Yes I did call you silly.

Your inability to stay on topic and vigorous attempts to drag the
discussion to irrelevancies is tedious. Yes I'm calling you tedious. 

Quit the fake umbrage. Quit wasting bandwidth.


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Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]


OK this is going a little too far for anyones liking.

Tom made a comment and made an insinuation and someone caught him at it.

He does not need anyone from the peanut gallery (me or you) making 
their own side comments on this.


To be honest if I had been a moderator on this list (which I am on a 
number of other lists) I would have said enough already and take it off list.


It is bad enough that we have to see this going on and on and on, but 
for us to then start chiming in and taking sides is a little much.


My advice to everyone is grow up.  Apologize, go to your ropes, whatever.

Stewart

At 01:10 PM 4/16/2009, you wrote:

Saying Chris parts his hair on the [pick one: left | right] would deeply
offend him.  And continue without abatement for years.

Thank you,

Mark Snyder


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[CGUYS] Bypassing Cable TV

Interesting story at
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30229181/

We know the about caps and metered usage plans that the cable companies 
are trying to institute. This story goes a little further to speculate 
why.

The point is that as online video content grows (YouTube, Hulu, etc), the 
Internet is fast becoming a competitor to the programming that cable 
provides. Better than cable, it lets people select just the programming 
they want, offers more programming than cable, and at the moment it is 
free (or more correctly, at no additional cost).

So the cable companies want caps that would make getting this content 
prohibitively expensive. For example a 5BG/month cap with a $1/GB charge 
for overage. With one HD movie at about 7GB that would stop bypassing 
cable cold.

I don't have cable. I have no need for cable. I get my TV OTA or via the 
Internet using TiVo. This works well for me.

After analog broadcasting stops, those who are out of broadcast range may 
have to rely on Internet programming too. Though many of those locations 
don't get Internet either.

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Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]

 Way too casual to be so offended about MS vs. M$.

See, that's the thing. I'm not offended about MS vs. M$. I don't care how 
anyone else refers to MS, and I never said that I did. I just didn't think 
someone should have altered MY text to read that way, and I mentioned this 
pretty casually. That's it. I don't understand why this is so hard to 
understand.

What bothered me wasn't MS/M$ at all; it was Tom's completely off-target 
response to a simple comment. 

Since then there have been multiple implications that I made this up out of 
whole cloth, feigned worries about what whether my handlers would pull my 
card as a Microsoft minder, made up stories about some insistence o fmine 
that MS be addressed in reverential tones, a notion that clearly I did this 
to stop a discussion that was not going my way when in fact I wasn't involved 
in the discussion at all. 

Who is attacking who here? Who's being infantile? Go back over the thread, read 
it in order, and judge for yourself, but be fair.


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Re: [CGUYS] Disabling balloons poopng up over Windows XP taskbar icons

A quick Google search gave this:
http://malektips.com/windows_xp_0009.html

PS If you're using IE, I hope you're using the newest version 8.


On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Michael S. Altus michb...@aol.com wrote:
 When I mouse over icons on the Windows XP taskbar, balloons pop up that
 provide words to explain what the icon is. For example, when I mouse over the
 Internet Explorer icon, a balloon pops up that states, Internet Explorer.
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[CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

  Digital camera folks!  Which manner of viewfinding do you use
and/or prefer?  Camera held out in front of you at arms length as you
stand or walk about looking like a zombie, or to use the actual
viewfinder if your camera has one?

  I'm a viewfinder person myself if for no other reason than any
camera is hard to hold steady when held at arms length.

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Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

2009-04-16 Thread Jeff Miles

	I use both. I prefer the view finder, but their are times I want to  
actually pay attention to what I also want to get a picture of. A good  
example of this is a whale watch I went on in Hawaii. Had I used the  
view finder exclusively I'd have missed a lot of great viewing.


Jeff M


On Apr 16, 2009, at 11:37 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:


 Digital camera folks!  Which manner of viewfinding do you use
and/or prefer?  Camera held out in front of you at arms length as you
stand or walk about looking like a zombie, or to use the actual
viewfinder if your camera has one?

 I'm a viewfinder person myself if for no other reason than any
camera is hard to hold steady when held at arms length.

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Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

I like to be a viewfinder person but I have noticed they are 
discontinuing them on lower end cameras.


To be a real professional you have to be a DSLR person.

I have a few 35MM SLR's (My dads old Exakta vintage 1955, Pentax 
MESuper, and Minolta)


Looking through the viewfinder always helped you compose what was a 
good picture.


Range finder cameras use the similar method Digitals use to see the 
picture.  Still helps composing the frame.


Stewart


At 01:37 PM 4/16/2009, you wrote:

  Digital camera folks!  Which manner of viewfinding do you use
and/or prefer?  Camera held out in front of you at arms length as you
stand or walk about looking like a zombie, or to use the actual
viewfinder if your camera has one?

  I'm a viewfinder person myself if for no other reason than any
camera is hard to hold steady when held at arms length.

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Re: [CGUYS] Disabling balloons poopng up over Windows XP taskbar icons

 A quick Google search gave this:
 http://malektips.com/windows_xp_0009.html
 
 PS If you're using IE, I hope you're using the newest version 8.

I think this is talking about the ones I mentioned in my reply, the
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Re: [CGUYS] Disabling balloons poopng up over Windows XP taskbar icons

 When I mouse over icons on the Windows XP taskbar, 
 balloons pop up that provide words to explain what 
 the icon is. For example, when I mouse over the
 Internet Explorer icon, a balloon pops up that 
 states, Internet Explorer. How do I get rid of 
 these balloons?

I'm not aware of a way to do that. There are ways to turn off the often
annoying notification balloons from the system tray (on the right), but I
haven't seen anything about the ones you're referring to.

Incidentally, if you're planning on moving to Windows 7 when it comes out,
this probably won't be an issue for you because the taskbar is very
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Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

   Digital camera folks!  Which manner of viewfinding do you use
 and/or prefer?  Camera held out in front of you at arms length as you
 stand or walk about looking like a zombie, or to use the actual
 viewfinder if your camera has one?
 
   I'm a viewfinder person myself if for no other reason than any
 camera is hard to hold steady when held at arms length.

For point  shoot cameras, viewfinder, always. Most of the time the little
LCD is just too hard to see. 

Of course, for SLRs there's no choice because the mirror's covering the
sensors (on all the ones I've used, anyway). You have to use the viewfinder.


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[CGUYS] D60 was: Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

I've been looking at the nikon d60, any opinions?  I need a mid level DSLR
for my wife.

Thanks

Mike

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote:

I use both. I prefer the view finder, but their are times I want to
 actually pay attention to what I also want to get a picture of. A good
 example of this is a whale watch I went on in Hawaii. Had I used the view
 finder exclusively I'd have missed a lot of great viewing.

 Jeff M



 On Apr 16, 2009, at 11:37 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

   Digital camera folks!  Which manner of viewfinding do you use
 and/or prefer?  Camera held out in front of you at arms length as you
 stand or walk about looking like a zombie, or to use the actual
 viewfinder if your camera has one?

  I'm a viewfinder person myself if for no other reason than any
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Re: [CGUYS] Disabling balloons poopng up over Windows XP taskbar icons

2009-04-16 Thread Michael S. Altus

I wrote:
When I mouse over icons on the Windows XP taskbar, balloons pop up that 
provide words to explain that the icon is. For example, when I mouse over the 
Internet Explorer icon, a balloon pops up that states, Internet Explorer. 
How do I get rid of these balloons?

Tony B ton...@gmail.com replied:
A quick Google search gave this: http://malektips.com/windows_xp_0009.html

Chris Dunford replied:
 A quick Google search gave this: 
http://malektips.com/windows_xp_0009.html
I think this is talking about the ones I mentioned in my reply, the 
notification balloons in the system tray.

That's right, Chris. I did Google searches and found many hits on getting 
rid of notification balloons, and I tried it. Not what I want.

Still looking,

Michael

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Re: [CGUYS] Bypassing Cable TV

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 We know the about caps and metered usage plans that the cable companies
 are trying to institute. This story goes a little further to speculate
 why.

  I have a cap because I use HughesNet.  The cap is about 480 or so
megabytes per day as I recall.  However, 3:00 am to 6:00 am, EST,
every day, is wide open...no cap.  Plus, business usage gets priority
when it comes to available bandwidth.

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Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

2009-04-16 Thread Richard P.

While I prefer the viewfinder, the digital zoom only shows up in the
LCD screen. I've seen people miss their zoomed-in shot by only looking
through the viewfinder.


Richard P.


  Digital camera folks!  Which manner of viewfinding do you use
 and/or prefer?  Camera held out in front of you at arms length as you
 stand or walk about looking like a zombie, or to use the actual
 viewfinder if your camera has one?

  I'm a viewfinder person myself if for no other reason than any
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Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]

Aren't you the one I specifically warned about arguing with a box of
rocks? I said it would only give you a headache. Feeling it yet?

Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the 
difference.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Chris Dunford ch...@covesoftware.com wrote:
 Who is attacking who here? Who's being infantile? Go back over the thread, 
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Re: [CGUYS] Disabling balloons poopng up over Windows XP taskbar icons

I still haven't figured out why anyone would want to turn off the
*systray* balloons. What in the world could be the point of turning
off the *taskbar* titles?

I ask not to upset you, but because there may be a different solution
to whatever problem you're having.


On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Michael S. Altus michb...@aol.com wrote:
 I wrote:
 When I mouse over icons on the Windows XP taskbar, balloons pop up that
 provide words to explain that the icon is. For example, when I mouse over the
 Internet Explorer icon, a balloon pops up that states, Internet Explorer.
 How do I get rid of these balloons?

 Tony B ton...@gmail.com replied:
 A quick Google search gave this: http://malektips.com/windows_xp_0009.html

 Chris Dunford replied:
 A quick Google search gave this:
 http://malektips.com/windows_xp_0009.html
I think this is talking about the ones I mentioned in my reply, the
 notification balloons in the system tray.

 That's right, Chris. I did Google searches and found many hits on getting
 rid of notification balloons, and I tried it. Not what I want.

 Still looking,

 Michael

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Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

The newer point and shoot cameras have a lot brighter LCD's and are 
doing away with the viewfinders so as to be able to maximize LCD size. 

The newest cameras on the brink of coming out will have touch screen 
LCD's and features for use with focal targeting etc. (touch a figure on 
the screen and the camera's focal plane will adjust/ follow the figure 
until you shoot).


I just used one of the new Sony point and shoots out of doors and did 
not have any problem whatsoever with screen washout although it was not 
the supreme test posed by snow or  beach scenes...


db

Chris Dunford wrote:

  Digital camera folks!  Which manner of viewfinding do you use
and/or prefer?  Camera held out in front of you at arms length as you
stand or walk about looking like a zombie, or to use the actual
viewfinder if your camera has one?

  I'm a viewfinder person myself if for no other reason than any
camera is hard to hold steady when held at arms length.



For point  shoot cameras, viewfinder, always. Most of the time the little
LCD is just too hard to see. 


Of course, for SLRs there's no choice because the mirror's covering the
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Re: [CGUYS] Bypassing Cable TV

What kind of speed do you get with that?

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:45 PM, phartz...@gmail.com
phartz...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

  We know the about caps and metered usage plans that the cable companies
  are trying to institute. This story goes a little further to speculate
  why.

   I have a cap because I use HughesNet.  The cap is about 480 or so
 megabytes per day as I recall.  However, 3:00 am to 6:00 am, EST,
 every day, is wide open...no cap.  Plus, business usage gets priority
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Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

Never use digital zoom. It only removes resolution you can use later
when you zoom in.

Oh, I'm with the use both crowd. I'm not going to lay on my belly to
get low shots, so I try to guess what's happening with the LCD. Ditto
macros. But I probably just point and shoot (and crop later) more than
I use the LCD. It really pains me to see so many good cheap cameras
leave off viewfinders these days, leaving many outdoor shooters
clueless as to what they're taking a picture of.


On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Richard P. richs...@gmail.com wrote:
 While I prefer the viewfinder, the digital zoom only shows up in the
 LCD screen. I've seen people miss their zoomed-in shot by only looking
 through the viewfinder.


 Richard P.


  Digital camera folks!  Which manner of viewfinding do you use
 and/or prefer?  Camera held out in front of you at arms length as you
 stand or walk about looking like a zombie, or to use the actual
 viewfinder if your camera has one?

  I'm a viewfinder person myself if for no other reason than any
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Re: [CGUYS] Disabling balloons poopng up over Windows XP taskba

When I mouse over icons on the Windows XP taskbar, balloons pop up that 
provide words to explain that the icon is. For example, when I mouse over 
the Internet Explorer icon, a balloon pops up that states, Internet
Explorer. How do I get rid of these balloons?

Doesn't TweakUI have an option to do this?


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Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

 While I prefer the viewfinder, the digital zoom only shows up in the
 LCD screen. I've seen people miss their zoomed-in shot by only looking
 through the viewfinder.

I'd like to suggest that you avoid digital zoom if you can (the first thing
I do when I get a new camera is to disable it).  If you need to zoom, your
PC or Mac software will do a better job of it than your camera can.


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Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]

2009-04-16 Thread David K Watson


From:Chris Dunford ch...@covesoftware.com
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This is intolerable. You don't know how to search your own archive,  
nor are
you apparently aware that MARC does not provide a usable link from  
search

results. And then you pretty much say that I am making this up.

I will give you explicit instructions.

snip


From:Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com

snip

The MARC does provide usable links. I can't see why it gives you any
problems.
http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-lw=2r=1s=I+have+no+major+argumentsq=b

Note that your 4-year-old post does not quote the text so I can't go
looking for the text you objected to and I can't go looking for the
original text.

snip

Before we have a flame war over this too, let me point out that if you
click on the MARC link from inside the cguys.org page, the url in the
navigation toolbar stays http://cguys.org/ no matter what search you
do, but if you open a new window with that link, you get
http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-l
as the initial url and the results of actions taken on the page are
visible in the url.

Even if you didn't figure this out Chris, it is still a bit  
disingenuous to

say that MARC does not provide a usable link from search results.
The search results page gives every one of its results as a link to
the original message.  For example, your original response to the
original offense (taken from the search results page) is at
http://marc.info/?l=computerguys-lm=119878094935907w=2
Also, on the message page itself there is a link to download the
message in RAW format.  You do know, don't you, that you don't have
to get an url solely from the navigation toolbar, and that you can right
click on a link inside a page to copy its location?  I ask this  
seemingly

stupid question because that is the only way that I can see that
you would really believe that doing a search of MARC from inside
the cguys.org page does not provide a usable link from search
results.

And Tom, you couldn't click on [prev in thread] at the top of the  
archived
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Re: [CGUYS] Bypassing Cable TV

  I have a cap because I use HughesNet.  The cap is about 480 or so
  Steve...in the boonies

My daily average is about double your cap so I'm happy to be downtown.


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Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]

I don't know about Tom, but I followed those directions and did one
better:  I actually went back to look at the offending post (previous
in thread).

Thanks David. That makes me feel better about it.

I resolve to not reply to crazy posts from certain people. Feel free to 
remind me if I fall off the wagon.


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Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

All the viewfinders on point and shoot (non SLR) cameras do not function 
thru the lens so they do not and can not in fact tell you where the 
borders of your shot will be. 


The LCD image does do that I believe...

db

Tony B wrote:

Never use digital zoom. It only removes resolution you can use later
when you zoom in.

Oh, I'm with the use both crowd. I'm not going to lay on my belly to
get low shots, so I try to guess what's happening with the LCD. Ditto
macros. But I probably just point and shoot (and crop later) more than
I use the LCD. It really pains me to see so many good cheap cameras
leave off viewfinders these days, leaving many outdoor shooters
clueless as to what they're taking a picture of.


On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Richard P. richs...@gmail.com wrote:
  

While I prefer the viewfinder, the digital zoom only shows up in the
LCD screen. I've seen people miss their zoomed-in shot by only looking
through the viewfinder.


Richard P.




 Digital camera folks!  Which manner of viewfinding do you use
and/or prefer?  Camera held out in front of you at arms length as you
stand or walk about looking like a zombie, or to use the actual
viewfinder if your camera has one?

 I'm a viewfinder person myself if for no other reason than any
camera is hard to hold steady when held at arms length.
  

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Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

Digital camera folks!  Which manner of viewfinding do you use
and/or prefer?  Camera held out in front of you at arms length as you
stand or walk about looking like a zombie, or to use the actual
viewfinder if your camera has one?

Mainly depends on the camera. With some cameras zombie mode gives a 
more accurate representation of picture cropping. With other cameras I 
have to use the viewfinder because the LCD is not bright enough. With a 
heavy camera I'll use the viewfinder so my head provides the camera with 
three-point suspension.


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Re: [CGUYS] Frank/ CGUYS chatter [Was:In Defense of Idiots]


Tom Piwowar wrote:
Yes, and it makes it increasingly difficult to create filters that 
filter out the off topic or tech philosophy discussions.  Every change 
of topic requires a new filter...



So you only want the whiney posts like I installed the service pack and 
now have no audio output? 
  
My principal reason for subscribing to CGUYS  is to exchange solution 
assistance with others for our mutual computing/ digital problems/ 
needs.  A useful resource made necessary by most company's minimal 
support for their IT products.


I don't see these problem fix oriented posts necessarily as whiny 
although I suppose occasionally they are written that way.
I posted a tech question about Windows a few days ago and got no answers. 
Maybe your filter is working in reverse? 
  

I increasingly have had the same experience with CGUYS.

Maybe people on the list with fix-it problem solving motivations have 
gone away because of the increasing amount of yadda yadda chatter on 
CGUYS or can't spend the time to wade thru the IT philosophical banter 
to find the fix-it  assistance posts that might interest them? 

These days, when these chatter strings get going on CGUYS, they can 
amount to 2/3rds of the emails visible in my inbox at any given time 
which makes it difficult for me to easily spot important personal or 
business emails ...  no less CGUYS posts that would be of interest to me.


To free up/ protect my inbox, I have therefore taken to create junk 
filters when I spot a CGUYS chatter string springing up.   But that 
takes more effort than I would like and is happening more frequently it 
seems.


Don't know what the solution is. 

Some lists and forums create additional lists or forums to fairly 
accommodate different interests.  Sometimes people leave and find other 
lists that are for the time being at least better serving their interests.


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Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

2009-04-16 Thread George Carr

Some of my best pictures of people were taken using neither the viewfinder
nor the LCD screen. You point the camera in generally the right direction,
talk to your subject, smile perhaps, all the while maintaining eye contact,
then shoot when an appealing facial expression appears. Later, in Photoshop,
you can fix rotation problems and compose the shot. Obviously this technique
is for shooting people only, and is a way of circumventing the natural
guardedness we all have.

-Original Message-
From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com]
On Behalf Of phartz...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:38 PM
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

  Digital camera folks!  Which manner of viewfinding do you use
and/or prefer?  Camera held out in front of you at arms length as you
stand or walk about looking like a zombie, or to use the actual
viewfinder if your camera has one?

  I'm a viewfinder person myself if for no other reason than any
camera is hard to hold steady when held at arms length.

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Re: [CGUYS] D60 was: Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

2009-04-16 Thread Marcio

-Original Message-
From: mike xha...@gmail.com
Sent: Apr 16, 2009 4:07 PM
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: [CGUYS] D60 was: Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

I've been looking at the nikon d60, any opinions?  I need a mid level DSLR
for my wife.

Thanks
Look at the new D5000 (Amazon)

Marcio

Mike

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote:

I use both. I prefer the view finder, but their are times I want to
 actually pay attention to what I also want to get a picture of. A good
 example of this is a whale watch I went on in Hawaii. Had I used the view
 finder exclusively I'd have missed a lot of great viewing.

 Jeff M

 On Apr 16, 2009, at 11:37 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

   Digital camera folks!  Which manner of viewfinding do you use
 and/or prefer?  Camera held out in front of you at arms length as you
 stand or walk about looking like a zombie, or to use the actual
 viewfinder if your camera has one?

  I'm a viewfinder person myself if for no other reason than any
 camera is hard to hold steady when held at arms length.

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Re: [CGUYS] D60 was: Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

2009-04-16 Thread MrMike6by9

I've had a D60 for about 10 months. It's a very nice camera even with my 61
YO eyes. I obviously must use the viewfinder in this DSLR but I Nikon has
several high-end units using their live (pre)view technology (D3, D300,
D700). The D90 now has live (pre)view as well. It can also record motion as
well as still frames. Other makers with live preview include Canon  Olympus
with 8 or 9 units each. There are downsides to live preview. You can
research at sites like DP Review and Steve's Digicam among others.

Here's a review of the D60 camera at DP
Reviewhttp://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond60/.
You can read about the D90 here http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond90/.


YMMV

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 Date:Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:07:46 -0700
 From:mike xha...@gmail.com
 Subject: D60 was: Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

 I've been looking at the nikon d60, any opinions?  I need a mid level DSLR
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Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]

And Tom, you couldn't click on [prev in thread] at the top of the  
archived message to find what the original offense was? 

I had already invested too much time. I has *assumed* it was not going to 
be that simple to find the original offense. Thank you for being more 
patient than I was. I resolve to stay out of such pissing contests in the 
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Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

Some of my best pictures of people were taken using neither the viewfinder
nor the LCD screen. You point the camera in generally the right direction,
talk to your subject, smile perhaps, all the while maintaining eye contact,
then shoot when an appealing facial expression appears.

How do you support the camera? Do you wear the camera bolted to your head?


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Re: [CGUYS] Frank/ CGUYS chatter [Was:In Defense of Idiots]

Don't know what the solution is. 

The more general discussions are useful too and I learn from them. If you 
want folks around to answere the fix-it questions you need to have 
something else too so they keep reading the list.

I resolve to ignore posts or blow the whistle when things get out of 
hand. Others should feel free to blow the whistle too.


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Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

He must use the force..

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 Some of my best pictures of people were taken using neither the viewfinder
 nor the LCD screen. You point the camera in generally the right direction,
 talk to your subject, smile perhaps, all the while maintaining eye
 contact,
 then shoot when an appealing facial expression appears.

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Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]

2009-04-16 Thread David K Watson


I wasn't replying to your first comment in this thread, but to
the more recent ones.

Yes, your first recent comment was mild, but you used it and
Tom's somewhat snarky response to it as the basis for a
fair amount of hectoring over whether or not it was OK to
misquote someone, a question that answers itself but that you
seemingly had an intense desire to have Tom answer.  The
back-and-forth between you and Tom escalates and slides
over to the issue of the contents of the original post.   You feign
outrage (or perhaps you really are outraged) that Tom can't find
the post on the basis of the scanty evidence you provide, and you
provide better directions and demand an apology from Tom.  It is
that crazy post that I responded to, not your rather mild
comment at the beginning.

I'll point out again that not only is your response all out of  
proportion,

so was your response to the original offense (mild though it was),
in view of the fact that the offender:
1) Did quote you fully and accurately elsewhere in his post,
2) Misquoted you in a single line intended as a joke,
3) Probably did it by accident.

While I think you took offense unnecessarily 4 years ago, I agree
your response then was mild.  If either Tom or you had been similarly
mild even once in your recent back-and-forth, this grossly overinflated
and overheated thread would be done with by now.  Remember,
a gentle answer turneth away wrath (did I get that right, Rev?).



From:Chris Dunford ch...@covesoftware.com


The person who offended you so much ...


You (and Tom) are blowing my rather mild comment all out of  
proportion. I
mentioned it because it came to mind in the context of the  
discussion. This
isn't something I spend every night stewing about; I simply remember  
that it
happened because it is so unusual, even on the lawless Internet, for  
a quote

to be altered.

I didn't ask anyone to do anything. I didn't expect a follow-up of  
any kind.
I certainly didn't expect Tom to respond with a very snide comment  
about

requiring reverence to MS.

You'll also note that my reply to the original person was also  
pretty mild.

I agreed with the content of his message and just asked him to be more
careful about quoting. I included the words hoping not to give  
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Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

2009-04-16 Thread George Carr

How do you support the camera? Do you wear the camera bolted to your head?

Um... I hold it in my hand?

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Re: [CGUYS] Frank/ CGUYS chatter [Was:In Defense of Idiots]


Tom Piwowar wrote:
Don't know what the solution is. 



The more general discussions are useful too and I learn from them. 
One can learn from anything but one does not necessarily have the time 
to do so.   The reason I set up filters is because I do not have the 
time and attention for such traffic. At some point filtering itself can 
become burdensome.


If you 
want folks around to answere the fix-it questions you need to have 
something else too so they keep reading the list.
  
Not sure I follow that.  It's not a hard and fast rule but people who 
enjoy fix-it questions tend to prefer and read fix-it questions not 
something philosophical.


People need fix it sources ... but not chat sources are more of a like 
than a need.
I resolve to ignore posts or blow the whistle when things get out of 
hand. Others should feel free to blow the whistle too.
  


People usually get peeved when one complains... and it just generates 
chatter about chatter (such as this!). 

Tech philosophers are doing what they like to and others who respond 
also enjoy it and thus the conundrum for a list as a whole...


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Re: [CGUYS] Disabling balloons poopng up over Windows XP taskbar icons

another solution:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,7449,00.asp


On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Michael S. Altus michb...@aol.com wrote:

 I wrote:
 When I mouse over icons on the Windows XP taskbar, balloons pop up that
 provide words to explain that the icon is. For example, when I mouse over
 the
 Internet Explorer icon, a balloon pops up that states, Internet Explorer.
 How do I get rid of these balloons?

 Tony B ton...@gmail.com replied:
 I still haven't figured out why anyone would want to turn off the *systray*
 balloons. What in the world could be the point of turning off the *taskbar*
 titles?

 Tony, I find the taskbar titles to be an annoying, unnecessary distraction.

 Tom Piwowar replied:
 Doesn't TweakUI have an option to do this?

 Tom, I'll check this out.

 Michael

 Michael S. Altus, PhD, ELS
 Intensive Care Communications, Inc.(R)
 Biomedical Writing and Editing
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Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

How do you support the camera? Do you wear the camera bolted to your head?

Um... I hold it in my hand?

You were telling such a good story. I was not expecting such a boring 
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Re: [CGUYS] Disabling balloons poopng up over Windows XP taskbar icons

2009-04-16 Thread Richard P.

One could always go into the Task Bar Properties and select Always
Hide for each item in the task bar. A second way is to Autohide the
TaskBar in properties. Just a couple of options...

Richard P.


 I wrote:
 When I mouse over icons on the Windows XP taskbar, balloons pop up that
 provide words to explain that the icon is. For example, when I mouse over the
 Internet Explorer icon, a balloon pops up that states, Internet Explorer.
 How do I get rid of these balloons?

 I find the taskbar titles to be an annoying, unnecessary distraction.


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Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]

 You feign outrage (or perhaps you really are outraged) 
 that Tom can't find the post on the basis of the scanty 
 evidence you provide, and you provide better directions 
 and demand an apology from Tom.  It is that crazy post 
 that I responded to, not your rather mild comment at 
 the beginning.

I asked Tom to apologize because he first chastised me, in a very snarky
message, for saying something that I didn't say and then very clearly
implied, in full view of anyone in the world with a computer, that I made
the whole thing up. Was I pissed off? Oh, yes. You bet I was. You wouldn't
be?

He has now been proved wrong. A one-word post would have sufficed: Sorry.
Unfortunately, he won't even own up to what he did, much less say that. I
think this speaks volumes.

But I'm done with this. I now know who's the kid with purple lips who swears
he never touched the grape juice. I'd rather be the certain [person] with
the crazy posts than that kid.


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Re: [CGUYS] Disabling balloons poopng up over Windows XP taskbar icons

 One could always go into the Task Bar Properties and select Always
 Hide for each item in the task bar. A second way is to Autohide the
 TaskBar in properties. Just a couple of options...

I think you're talking about the system tray icons (on the right side). Dr.
Altus is asking about the active program buttons (in the center section).


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Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

2009-04-16 Thread John Duncan Yoyo

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall 
popoz...@earthlink.net wrote:

 I like to be a viewfinder person but I have noticed they are discontinuing
 them on lower end cameras.

 To be a real professional you have to be a DSLR person.

 I have a few 35MM SLR's (My dads old Exakta vintage 1955, Pentax MESuper,
 and Minolta)

 Looking through the viewfinder always helped you compose what was a good
 picture.

 Range finder cameras use the similar method Digitals use to see the
 picture.  Still helps composing the frame.


I have a Kodak with faux SLR set up that I can switch back and forth to the
rear display or the eye piece.  The eye piece has a small screen rather than
a mirror through the lens.  I take better pictures with eye piece but it is
nice to have the option to use both that and the back display.  I find the
display on the back next to useless for me to get a decent picture.


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Re: [CGUYS] Disabling balloons poopng up over Windows XP taskbar icons

How is that possible, as they only show up if you hover over a button
for too long? If you use Win+tab or alt+tab you don't see them at all,
and if you just go down and click the one you want you don't see them
for more than a fraction of a second.

Of course, if you only have a single layer taskbar then you must
combine tabs, in which case the flyout is absolutely necessary to
assist in bringing the proper program to the front. i.e., disabling
the ballons would leave you sitting there wondering which of e.g. 4
different Word docs you want to look at.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Michael S. Altus michb...@aol.com wrote:
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Re: [CGUYS] Disabling balloons poopng up over Windows XP taskba

2009-04-16 Thread John Duncan Yoyo

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 When I mouse over icons on the Windows XP taskbar, balloons pop up that
 provide words to explain that the icon is. For example, when I mouse over
 the Internet Explorer icon, a balloon pops up that states, Internet
 Explorer. How do I get rid of these balloons?

 Doesn't TweakUI have an option to do this?


The setting for taskbar and start menu has an option to enable/disable
balloon tips.

TweakUI for XP is available at

http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/c/a/fca6767b-9ed9-45a6-b352-839afb2a2679/TweakUiPowertoySetup.exe
.

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Re: [CGUYS] Disabling balloons poopng up over Windows XP taskba


The setting for taskbar and start menu has an option to enable/disable
balloon tips.


Yes, but I'm not sure that's what is being asked.  In XP Pro running
in Windows Classic mode I get little yellow text boxes describing
the running process in that tab on mouse over.

E. g. REL_T2_TAS_11-07[1].pdf - Acrobat Reader

Or Inbox - Outlook Express.

On this message I get the message subject.

I'm not sure this can be disabled.  Is the OP running the Classic or
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Re: [CGUYS] Bypassing Cable TV


Interesting story at
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30229181/

We know the about caps and metered usage plans that the cable companies 
are trying to institute. This story goes a little further to speculate 
why.



snip
After analog broadcasting stops, those who are out of broadcast range may 
have to rely on Internet programming too. Though many of those locations 
don't get Internet either.


This will be interesting.


I was considering FIOS for Internet and phone. It would cost less than getting faster DSL. 
I asked Verizon when they would install FIOS in Cecil County. The sales rep stifled a 
laugh. I asked the guy in the Verizon truck. He guffawed. Then he said, Never. Verizon 
only installs FIOS where there are people.


We can't even get fast Internet service here except absurdly overpriced Comcast. When we 
finally get it, then we'll have to fight to avoid over charges for watching movies online 
TV shows. US broadband sucks. US customers make it worse by overpaying for their service 
and not demanding better prices and service.


We live beyond where digital TV will work reliably. Which digital antenna works best for 
those of us who live 40-50 miles away from broadcast towers? Why is the government selling 
or giving away the analog frequencies when they always leased them before?



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Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

Digital camera folks! Which manner of viewfinding do you use
and/or prefer? Camera held out in front of you at arms length as you
stand or walk about looking like a zombie, or to use the actual
viewfinder if your camera has one?

I'm a viewfinder person myself if for no other reason than any
camera is hard to hold steady when held at arms length.

When I did photography for my business, I had my SLR with a bunch of lenses, lots of film,
etc. Then I got tired of carrying it around while traveling. I bought a Nikon digital
camera that fits in my pocket and rarely touch an SLR any more, and don't care to get a DSLR.

My son, Cavan, wanted to buy a digital camera on Black Friday, and brought me along for
guidance.

He insisted that he needed a viewfinder. I convinced him otherwise by looking at all the
specs. Does it use expensive proprietary batteries that are hard to find? Does the camera
use SD or CF memory cards? What is the optical zoom? Other features? I talked him into
buying a Nikon Coolpix S550 without a viewfinder instead of another that did because the
rest of the features are better, and the special sale price was excellent. He loves it,
and his pictures are very good.

My Nikon has a viewfinder. I almost never use it. The day I stopped using it was when we
were in Mexico and a cat. 4-5 hurricane was about to reach land. Of course, I had to take
pictures--huge waves splashing on the beach, lots of debris blowing down the streets, etc.
Could only run down the street, camera in hand, snapping continuously, not having time to
compose my photos, but they were amazingly good. Now I usually hold the camera about 18
or so in front of me so I can see both the display and whatever I'm shooting. Works for
me. I have a mini tripod that I hold instead of the camera body for night shots.

Betty

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Re: [CGUYS] Bypassing Cable TV


I asked the guy in the Verizon truck. He guffawed. Then he said,
Never.


That was the wrong answer.  Get his name and give it to me off
list.

I live in downtown DC and can't get it either.  I'm as much at the
mercy of high cost providers as you are, Betty, and I sympathize.

At least I can get DSL.  But my TV is still cable.

One of my employees lives in DC also and uses DirecTV.

I'd do that too but I don't have an unobstructed shot to a
geosynchronous satellite.

Frustrating, isn't it?


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Re: [CGUYS] Camera query. Just curious.

2009-04-16 Thread Fred Holmes

My Olympus C-750 (admittedly old) frames _optical_ zoom just fine through the 
viewfinder. It's not an optical viewfinder. It's a lens focusing on a small lcd 
screen, that shows the same thing that the CCD sees, just like the large lcd 
screen on the camera's back.  The viewfinder sees what you will get, although 
I've never checked if the borders are exact.  My digital zoom is cropping after 
the picture is on the computer.  The memory card is plenty big enough to shoot 
all the pictures I want using the entire CCD array.

Fred Holmes


At 04:35 PM 4/16/2009, db wrote:
All the viewfinders on point and shoot (non SLR) cameras do not function thru 
the lens so they do not and can not in fact tell you where the borders of your 
shot will be. 
The LCD image does do that I believe...

db


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Re: [CGUYS] Bypassing Cable TV

2009-04-16 Thread John Duncan Yoyo

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:14 PM, betty b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote:


 We live beyond where digital TV will work reliably. Which digital antenna
 works best for those of us who live 40-50 miles away from broadcast towers?
 Why is the government selling or giving away the analog frequencies when
 they always leased them before?


Visit antennaweb.org and see what they suggest for your location.  Elkton
came up with no digital service but your location may do better.  My folks
used to live in Elkton and got a reasonable number of traditional stations
with a mast, good sized antenna and a rotor.

The UHF portion of an existing antenna may do the job.  The power levels and
frequencies used are going to change when they go all digital in June or
whenever they decide to force it to happen.

John Duncan Yoyo
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Re: [CGUYS] Bypassing Cable TV

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:13 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote:

 What kind of speed do you get with that?

  I just checked my speed.  Down is 1.42 Mbps, up is 134 Kbps.  These
figures change from time to time.  I guess it is about the same as DSL
for the most part.

  Steve in Fauquier County, VA


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Re: [CGUYS] Bypassing Cable TV

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 My daily average is about double your cap so I'm happy to be downtown.

  Thus far I have not exceeded the cap on any day.  They will
penalize me by inducing slowness for 24 hours following any cap
infraction.  FWIW, the only really good thing I have found about
HughesNet, other than being nearly the only choice for relatively fast
connectivity speeds where no other high speed exists, is their 20
megabyte allowance on file attachments to e-mail.  Most ISPs appear to
have a 10 megabyte limit.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] OS X on Dell Mini 9

Cheap hardware yields cheap results. The computers bought by Lauren and 
G were bad mistakes.


Maybe not for what they intended.  But I wouldn't buy either one.

I suspect that most people don't actually evaluate and research
what's available at a price point and usually don't have a clue
what their options are in the context of their needs.  They do
know that they want a thing, but as has been pointed out at some
length here, that is not what drives most purchase decisions.

I'm sure that many people here are capable of assembling a
desktop machine that will easily blow away a top of the line
Dell for at least 20% less of the initial cost.  All of the parts
will have warranties and there won't be any preloaded crapware
on it.

In terms of parts quality and performance it will probably be
easily able to spank a Mac Pro.

But there is the subtle lure of the easy way.  And that's about
buying an appliance off the shelf.  I happen to believe that the
computer hasn't yet become an appliance in the same sense as
a refrigerator or a clothes dryer.  I doubt that anyone here would
seriously contemplate building a refrigerator compared to buying
one off the shelf.

It could be done, but it would be tremendously inefficient in
terms of cost.

Someone, I can't really remember who, said that Americans
are really, really good at finding solutions to problems that
no one else recognizes as problems.  AAPL, IMHO, excels
at that.  MSFT used to excel at that.  Remember, three decades
ago there were almost no computers in private hands.

Today you can get a tremendously powerful one at Best Buy
for a week's pay at a middle class wage.  You can buy a
slightly less capable but still good one for peanuts, used.

That's incredible.

But can you use it to do what you need to do?  There's the
rub.  Lauren and G are fictional characters--but are they,
really?  I was hacking PDP-11s and Tandy CoCos before
either one of them were born, I suspect that a lot of people
here were doing similar.  I think I could make either machine
do what I wanted it to do for the cost of an OEM copy of
XP Pro.  Legally.

So blame the craftsman before the tools, I think.  But it is
not surprising that bad tools are sold.


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Re: [CGUYS] Bandwidth cap mumbo-jumbo?


[April 09, 2009 | 4:50:55 PM]


Time Warner Cable Earnings Refute Bandwidth Cap Economics

http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/time-warner-cab.html




Time Warner shelves plan to cap Internet use
Capitulation doesn't bode well for the future of metered billing
updated 5:13 p.m. ET, Thurs., April 16, 2009

Time Warner Cable Inc. is shelving its plan to bill customers based on how much Internet 
traffic they generate, following mounting public and political outcry. Time Warner Cable's 
capitulation doesn't bode well for the future of metered billing of the Internet, in which 
people who use more bandwidth pay more. Frontier Communications Corp., a Time Warner Cable 
rival in one key test market, Rochester, N.Y., also has dropped its plans for metering 
Internet use...


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30252543/

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Could it be the publicized earnings report that made them change their minds?


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Re: [CGUYS] Bandwidth cap mumbo-jumbo?


April 09, 2009 | 4:50:55 PM


Time Warner Cable Earnings Refute Bandwidth Cap Economics

http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/time-warner-cab.html




Time Warner shelves plan to cap Internet use
Capitulation doesn't bode well for the future of metered billing
updated 5:13 p.m. ET, Thurs., April 16, 2009

Time Warner Cable Inc. is shelving its plan to bill customers based on how much Internet 
traffic they generate, following mounting public and political outcry. Time Warner Cable's 
capitulation doesn't bode well for the future of metered billing of the Internet, in which 
people who use more bandwidth pay more. Frontier Communications Corp., a Time Warner Cable 
rival in one key test market, Rochester, N.Y., also has dropped its plans for metering 
Internet use...


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30252543/

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Could it be the publicized earnings report that made them change their minds?


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Re: [CGUYS] Bypassing Cable TV