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I've only been vaguely following this, but I don't understand what's wrong with the camcorders with built in hard drives. I'm also usually anti-Sony. However I do have a Sony DCR-SR80 with built in 60 gig hard drive. That gives me 13+ hours of record time at its' finest setting. If I know in advance I'll be recording longer then that I'd probably bring a laptop or something to download to. BTW, besides that Sony doesn't make Mac software for this camera I'm still able to import it into iMovie. And I was totally amazed at it's sound recording. This camera makes you feel like you've got a 20' boom mike in front of you. And it filters out surrounding noise/sound very well. And the mike sounds like it has a wind sock on it. None of that tinny noise. I'm not a professional videographer. Used to be a pro still photographer before I decided to retire from public life, and shooting video has always been a bit confusing to me. I grew to used to pushing the shutter release and moving on to the next image I wanted. On the video camera you hit the record button and everything keeps moving. Enough to drive a still photographer insane. Anyway, back to my point. I agree it mostly depends on what the camera is being used for. But for the majority of everyday use in average/normal circumstances I don't see a 60 gig hard drive as lacking. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Dec 4, 2009, at 6:49 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Depends on what you needs are, the new Red cameras are ssd/HD flash based. These things are shooting 4k too. What do you do when you're shooting on location and run out of HD space? Buy another camera? Flash isn't reliable enough yet. Solid state drives are absurdly expensive and cumbersome compared to tape. Don't want to lose hours of video because of the wrong choice of media. Maybe removable solid state drives will be available at a reasonable price some day, but they're hundreds of times more expensive than digital tapes. I want an organic drive when it's ready. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:35 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Actually the cards are relatively cheap and have as long a life as the tapes. I was taught to always use a new tape for every shoot. Every pass through the recorder increased the probability of drop outs. Never want to risk that. Raw video is aprox 12GB per hour and 1GB of card storage is aprox $1. So $12 per hour. That is close what an hour of tape costs. I have no problem reusing the card storage again and again. So I think the card wins the second time I use it. If you use your tapes over and over I think you are a putz not a pro. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:33 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:35 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Actually the cards are relatively cheap and have as long a life as the tapes. I was taught to always use a new tape for every shoot. Every pass through the recorder increased the probability of drop outs. Never want to risk that. Raw video is aprox 12GB per hour and 1GB of card storage is aprox $1. So $12 per hour. That is close what an hour of tape costs. I have no problem reusing the card storage again and again. So I think the card wins the second time I use it. If you use your tapes over and over I think you are a putz not a pro. I have no experience with this but I heard about it on MacBreak Weekly. http://www.aja.com/products/ki-pro/ It is essentially a box for directly acquiring video to a hard drive. It saves the transfer time and gets full uncompressed 1080p where SD cards compress. It's expensive, new and hard to get but seems like it may be an entry point for people just getting started. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Mike suggested I use a Mac. Forget the Mac. I can't afford the s/w, if you read between the lines what I'm saying here. Tony B asks what kind of video I'm editing. I'll be buying a high-end video cam (probably a Canon XM2) to shoot for Web sites. db (database?) recommended I google, always an excellent suggestion, and I discovered it appears to be more a matter of memory (which is obvious) and of having a firewire, as Tony B also recommended. Betty asked if I'll be doing animation. Probably not, but I will build with that in mind. I will definitely offer animation to my clients; however, by then, I almost certainly will be back in a position to outsource overseas. She also recommends a Mac. My concern, however, once again, is the matter of buying expensive s/w (sorry) when I can get around that if I get a PC. Again, once I'm up on my feet, I will be jobbing this out overseas. Furthermore, from a practical perspective, I would be able to pick up the PC in question at a very good price. I'm presently in the unenviable position of having just returned penniless from a 3rd world country where I went broke and needing to get up on my feet ASAP. I've been borrowing people's PCs to do my work while I do that and hit several unexpected snags that have way-laid me, setting me even further behind the 8-ball. All temporary stuff. Once I can get a couple of Flash sites half-way built (and I'm learning AS3 on top of the other aforementioned problems), then I can sign up more clients, get my video cam, and within a short while be making tons of money like I did last time I lived here in the Virgin Islands. Mike again chimes in, stating that I should not build a PC unless I know what I'm doing. I've toyed around enough with computers to feel comfortable doing this (replacing motherboards, etc.) I'm a programmer, not new to the world of computers, although I wouldn't say I'm a hardware expert by any means. I look forward to your other suggestions! TIA, Victor * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The XM2 (or GL2?) would not be a wise investment at this point. I know you'll see lots of cheap used ones for sale, but that's for two reasons: 1) it uses tape, and those mechanisms wear badly, and 2) it is SD only. Avoid it. If you want a cheapo all-around camcorder right now consider the Canon HV40 HDV ($700). More tempting in the $1000 department would be the Sony HDR-CX100 AVCHD HD Camcorder ($360). There's a lot to be said for a tapeless workflow, not the least of which is the fragile and expensive tape heads. However, AVCHD will be difficult to edit on the best of systems today without resorting to intermediate codecs. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:26 AM, Victor Subervi victorsube...@gmail.com wrote: Tony B asks what kind of video I'm editing. I'll be buying a high-end video cam (probably a Canon XM2) to shoot for Web sites. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Oh, and how could I forget - the Flip camcorders will do acceptable 720P video. $150 at Amazon now with free shipping. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: The XM2 (or GL2?) would not be a wise investment at this point. I know you'll see lots of cheap used ones for sale, but that's for two reasons: 1) it uses tape, and those mechanisms wear badly, and 2) it is SD only. Avoid it. If you want a cheapo all-around camcorder right now consider the Canon HV40 HDV ($700). More tempting in the $1000 department would be the Sony HDR-CX100 AVCHD HD Camcorder ($360). There's a lot to be said for a tapeless workflow, not the least of which is the fragile and expensive tape heads. However, AVCHD will be difficult to edit on the best of systems today without resorting to intermediate codecs. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:26 AM, Victor Subervi victorsube...@gmail.com wrote: Tony B asks what kind of video I'm editing. I'll be buying a high-end video cam (probably a Canon XM2) to shoot for Web sites. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, and how could I forget - the Flip camcorders will do acceptable 720P video. $150 at Amazon now with free shipping. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: The XM2 (or GL2?) would not be a wise investment at this point. I know you'll see lots of cheap used ones for sale, but that's for two reasons: 1) it uses tape, and those mechanisms wear badly, and 2) it is SD only. Avoid it. If you want a cheapo all-around camcorder right now consider the Canon HV40 HDV ($700). More tempting in the $1000 department would be the Sony HDR-CX100 AVCHD HD Camcorder ($360). There's a lot to be said for a tapeless workflow, not the least of which is the fragile and expensive tape heads. However, AVCHD will be difficult to edit on the best of systems today without resorting to intermediate codecs. You're way over my head, Tony. I was thinking about getting a camcorder for around $2K. I know nothing of this sort of thing...it appears you're a pro...so your advice would be much appreciated. I also just thought to mention that I really don't know what the future holds in store for me for shooting video. My whole emphasis has been the Web; however, my background is media, I see media evolving to the Web (consumed by the same) and want to position myself accordingly. Also, I have done and am very capable of creating TV advertising campaigns. TV obviously requires a higher standard than the Web; furthermore, I have every reason to believe that it won't be long before the Web has the same level of resolution as TV. Please advise. V * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Victor Subervi wrote: You're way over my head, Tony. I was thinking about getting a camcorder for around $2K. Horrors no. That route is 5 years out of date. And the specs for web video are very different than video specs of 5 years ago. I would budget the whole shooting match at $2K. Around $500 for camera, $1000 for an iMac, and $500 for beer. The basic iMac comes with iMovie and Garageband. For web video that will suffice. If you want something more upscale get FCPExpress for $200. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Dec 4, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Tony B wrote: If you want a cheapo all-around camcorder right now consider the Canon HV40 HDV ($700). More tempting in the $1000 department would be the Sony HDR-CX100 AVCHD HD Camcorder ($360). There's a lot to be said for a tapeless workflow, not the least of which is the fragile and expensive tape heads. Agree 100%. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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If you can afford it, get the Sony Z5, but for $2000 you may have to drop down to the Sony HD1000. Both are HDV, meaning they use the old standard miniDV tapes. But really, just for web video I think you should start with one of the cheaper cameras I mentioned earlier. Although Youtube has started carrying 1080P videos, I think the high end of web video is going to be 720P for a few years yet, the limitation being broadband speeds. Depending what you're doing, a lot of what you produce will be watched at lower resolutions than that anyway, but right now all our material is uploaded at 720P. And yes, in the digital video ATSC world, you're going to have to learn the difference between 720P and 1080i/p and worse - bitrates! Way beyond the scope of this list. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television PS If you get into editing video, start with Sony's Vegas. Rock solid on any cheap PC, and virtually no learning curve. http://amzn.com/B001CPHTAQ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Regarding everyone's recommendation for iMac...no. That's nice I can buy cheap s/w to edit video. What about my Adobe Suite for Windoze? Can I get the suite for $200? No. I have other s/w as well. It's not just a matter of editing video. If you can afford it, get the Sony Z5, but for $2000 you may have to drop down to the Sony HD1000. Both are HDV, meaning they use the old standard miniDV tapes. But really, just for web video I think you should start with one of the cheaper cameras I mentioned earlier. I'll see if I can get the Z5. I have a client that buys/sells LOTS of video equipment, and he owes me one. PS If you get into editing video, start with Sony's Vegas. Rock solid on any cheap PC, and virtually no learning curve. http://amzn.com/B001CPHTAQ Thanks! V * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You're a victim of the fallacy that Macs are expensive. They're not, especially if you're using a computer for business. The software isn't necessarily expensive either, and for business, it's a tax deductible expense. The best video editing software is Final Cut Pro, hands down. You can also use Final Cut Express for only $199. I use it and it has most of the important features of FCP. Remember iMovie, iDVD, Jahshaka, etc. are free. When you produce video and graphics for clients, time is extremely important. Your productivity with the Mac will be at least 30% greater than with a PC, with less downtime for maintenance. You can charge more for a better, faster product. Can't afford to buy a new Mac? Mine is two years old. It's as good for video editing as a new PC. It's the software and the OS, not the raw speed of the processor that makes a difference. Is a new refurbished iMac 21.5-inch 3.06GHz Intel Core 2 with 4GB RAM too expensive at $899? Not big enough? How about an iMac 24-inch 3.06GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4GB RAM for $1,149? All are blue tag specials at store.apple.com. We bought a used PowerMac G5 about 6 months ago for $200. Can you afford that? Forget the PC. Save your money. Windows doesn't do video well. Pros switched to Windows in the late '90s, and switched back to Macs in droves with the release of Final Cut and more video-friendly hardware. Don't make the mistake of thinking that cheaper is better. You can't afford not to use a Mac for video, especially if it's your business. After you add all the things you need to make your PC somewhat comparable to the right Mac for the job, it will cost more, and waste a lot of time, too. Who will keep your PC running and how much time will that take away from your main product? The biggest 'problem' with Macs is that they last too long, and remain productive twice as long as PCs. How much will your PC cost? How much for software? Specs? Which software? Adobe Premiere sucks. Avid software is too expensive, as is Premiere. Flash [not NLE] works better on a Mac. What other affordable pro NLE software is there for Windows? I've rebuilt and upgraded Macs for years, PCs too. It's both the hardware and the software you need to consider. It makes more sense to finance the right computer instead of building the wrong one, especially if you're planning to spend $2K on a camera. Betty Mike suggested I use a Mac. Forget the Mac. I can't afford the s/w, if you read between the lines what I'm saying here. Tony B asks what kind of video I'm editing. I'll be buying a high-end video cam (probably a Canon XM2) to shoot for Web sites. db (database?) recommended I google, always an excellent suggestion, and I discovered it appears to be more a matter of memory (which is obvious) and of having a firewire, as Tony B also recommended. Betty asked if I'll be doing animation. Probably not, but I will build with that in mind. I will definitely offer animation to my clients; however, by then, I almost certainly will be back in a position to outsource overseas. She also recommends a Mac. My concern, however, once again, is the matter of buying expensive s/w (sorry) when I can get around that if I get a PC. Again, once I'm up on my feet, I will be jobbing this out overseas. Furthermore, from a practical perspective, I would be able to pick up the PC in question at a very good price. I'm presently in the unenviable position of having just returned penniless from a 3rd world country where I went broke and needing to get up on my feet ASAP. I've been borrowing people's PCs to do my work while I do that and hit several unexpected snags that have way-laid me, setting me even further behind the 8-ball. All temporary stuff. Once I can get a couple of Flash sites half-way built (and I'm learning AS3 on top of the other aforementioned problems), then I can sign up more clients, get my video cam, and within a short while be making tons of money like I did last time I lived here in the Virgin Islands. Mike again chimes in, stating that I should not build a PC unless I know what I'm doing. I've toyed around enough with computers to feel comfortable doing this (replacing motherboards, etc.) I'm a programmer, not new to the world of computers, although I wouldn't say I'm a hardware expert by any means. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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So Betty, can I run my Adobe Premiere (that sucks:/ ) built for Windoze on a Mac? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:26 AM, Victor Subervi victorsube...@gmail.com wrote: Tony B asks what kind of video I'm editing. I'll be buying a high-end video cam (probably a Canon XM2) to shoot for Web sites. Most pros use tape. Tape is better than hard drives. Tapes are limited to the number of tapes you can fit in your camera bag. Hard drives are limited to the size of the drive--a really bad idea for cameras. SD cards can have unlimited storage but aren't as reliable as tapes. Tapes are NOT fragile. Neither are the heads. Don't buy Sony. It will disappoint you. Specs are good, quality isn't. I've had lots of Sony products, but never again. They all broke before their time [5 years on a TV, 2 years on a camera, 3 years on a walkman, 1 year on a phone] except for my Apple Trinitron monitor that I wish would break so I can replace it. I have a Canon Elura [uses tapes] prosumer camera. I also have a VHS Hitachi that I bought in the '80s--still works. Panasonic also makes a good pro video cam. Find one that has manual settings, can use filters, external mic, has line setting. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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So Betty, can I run my Adobe Premiere (that sucks:/ ) built for Windoze on a Mac? You can sell your Adobe Premiere, and budget $199 [or less--buy discount for $150 new] for Final Cut Express with the money you save by using a Mac with a good $700 prosumer camera instead of buying a pro camera that you don't need with Windows. I use both Macs and PCs. I run Windows on my Mac using VirtualBox software and an XP installer from a dead Dell. I have Premiere. Haven't used it in ages. Final Cut Express will pay for itself before your first job is done. If not, go back to programming. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:27 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: So Betty, can I run my Adobe Premiere (that sucks:/ ) built for Windoze on a Mac? You can sell your Adobe Premiere, and budget $199 [or less--buy discount for $150 new] for Final Cut Express with the money you save by using a Mac with a good $700 prosumer camera instead of buying a pro camera that you don't need with Windows. I use both Macs and PCs. I run Windows on my Mac using VirtualBox software and an XP installer from a dead Dell. I have Premiere. Haven't used it in ages. Final Cut Express will pay for itself before your first job is done. If not, go back to programming. LOL. I do it all until I can get back to jobbing out, then I'll just sell and have fun doing other things (performing, scuba diving, etc.). Ok, I'll get a Mac ;) V * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You can, but there is no point in this case. If he were just going to run windows, he could build a machine much cheaper than buying a mac. The point is to have the best os with some of the best video editing software around. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Vicky Staubly vi...@steeds.com wrote: On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Victor Subervi wrote: So Betty, can I run my Adobe Premiere (that sucks:/ ) built for Windoze on a Mac? Actually, yes you can. I'm suprised no-one here mentioned that you can run Windows on a Mac, either via dual-booting (Boot Camp) or in a virtual machine (Parallels). I'll let someone more familiar with those describe them in more detail. -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/vi...@steeds.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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A forum like avsforums may be a good place to look also. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:45 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: You can, but there is no point in this case. If he were just going to run windows, he could build a machine much cheaper than buying a mac. The point is to have the best os with some of the best video editing software around. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Vicky Staubly vi...@steeds.com wrote: On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Victor Subervi wrote: So Betty, can I run my Adobe Premiere (that sucks:/ ) built for Windoze on a Mac? Actually, yes you can. I'm suprised no-one here mentioned that you can run Windows on a Mac, either via dual-booting (Boot Camp) or in a virtual machine (Parallels). I'll let someone more familiar with those describe them in more detail. -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/vi...@steeds.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The guy asked a straightforward question about video. There's no need for 2-3 rabid Mac fans to pile on and hijack the topic. Take your medications already. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Dec 4, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Victor Subervi wrote: Regarding everyone's recommendation for iMac...no. That's nice I can buy cheap s/w to edit video. What about my Adobe Suite for Windoze? Can I get the suite for $200? No. I have other s/w as well. It's not just a matter of editing video. Sorry. I assumed you really wanted to edit videos and run a successful business. My bad. Go ahead. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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If you are getting/building a pc, then more power is always better. i7 cpu...more ram more ram... If you are near a fry's electronics there are deals galore for cpu/mobo's, newegg also carries deals. As I said, check out the AVS forums, might want to poke around the revision 3 forums also. I know Patrick Norton spent oodles of time getting hardware and software to get he best (read timely) transcoding done for his shows online. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:52 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 4, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Victor Subervi wrote: Regarding everyone's recommendation for iMac...no. That's nice I can buy cheap s/w to edit video. What about my Adobe Suite for Windoze? Can I get the suite for $200? No. I have other s/w as well. It's not just a matter of editing video. Sorry. I assumed you really wanted to edit videos and run a successful business. My bad. Go ahead. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Dec 4, 2009, at 1:55 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Most pros use tape. Probably true, because most of them bought their gear years ago. But what should one buy today? Not beta! http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-SVAV100-Digital-Recorder-Optical/dp/BDCXJJ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Victor Subervi wrote: So Betty, can I run my Adobe Premiere (that sucks:/ ) built for Windoze on a Mac? Actually, yes you can. I'm suprised no-one here mentioned that you can run Windows on a Mac, either via dual-booting (Boot Camp) or in a virtual machine (Parallels). I'll let someone more familiar with those describe them in more detail. Rebooting [dual boot] is a pain, and Parallels costs. VitualBox is free, and I'm sure Victor has versions of Windows that he can use. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The guy asked a straightforward question about video. There's no need for 2-3 rabid Mac fans to pile on and hijack the topic. Take your medications already. I'm a pro. Don't have to be rabid to know which hardware and software is best for results and the bottom line. What's your problem? Can't accept that Macs are better for video? Go ahead, watch video on your peecee. It's probably made on a Mac. Even Microsoft commercials have been made on Macs. Get over it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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If yer a pro, you don't run out. These cameras are state of the art by any standard. You can keep your film..can you find another camera that can record in 4k as these do? This all amounts to tools for the job, to believe in absolutes is wrong. Tape is good, other mediums are good. You do what works. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:49 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Depends on what you needs are, the new Red cameras are ssd/HD flash based. These things are shooting 4k too. What do you do when you're shooting on location and run out of HD space? Buy another camera? Flash isn't reliable enough yet. Solid state drives are absurdly expensive and cumbersome compared to tape. Don't want to lose hours of video because of the wrong choice of media. Maybe removable solid state drives will be available at a reasonable price some day, but they're hundreds of times more expensive than digital tapes. I want an organic drive when it's ready. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Isn't reliable? Usually the problem with flash is how it is handled or mishandled I should say. I have a few digital cameras and am using cards that are in and out once to twice a week. I use both the card reader on my laptop, and a thumb drive that reads the cards. No problems. For consumer level and short of pro it is still very good. Stewart At 08:49 PM 12/4/2009, you wrote: What do you do when you're shooting on location and run out of HD space? Buy another camera? Flash isn't reliable enough yet. Solid state drives are absurdly expensive and cumbersome compared to tape. Don't want to lose hours of video because of the wrong choice of media. Maybe removable solid state drives will be available at a reasonable price some day, but they're hundreds of times more expensive than digital tapes. I want an organic drive when it's ready. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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How serious are you? Are you trying to go pro or are you talking about just doing some home movies? I think either way a good solid choice would be a mac...but how serious you are matters as to how much money you will have to spend. There are windows alternatives, but out of the box I think a mac would get you moving much faster. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Victor Subervi victorsube...@gmail.comwrote: Hi; I need to build a machine that will enable me to edit video. I've been told I should have circa 16 gigs of RAM and two graphics cards. I also have an opportunity to pick up a desktop from a cyber cafe that's going out of business at a bargain price. The computers are only a year old. I don't know what they have and I'm not in a position to open it up just yet. My question is whether or not the motherboard of most year-old computers would probably be good enough to accommodate high-powered graphics cards. Also, all other suggestions you have would be appreciated. TIA, Victor * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Highly unlikely you need more than 4 gigs of ram to edit most video. What type of video is it? The desktop might work (again, what type of video?). Be sure to format the drives, or just replace them. You don't need special video cards to edit video. You may have to add a 1394 (firewire) card to it. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Victor Subervi victorsube...@gmail.com wrote: Hi; I need to build a machine that will enable me to edit video. I've been told I should have circa 16 gigs of RAM and two graphics cards. I also have an opportunity to pick up a desktop from a cyber cafe that's going out of business at a bargain price. The computers are only a year old. I don't know what they have and I'm not in a position to open it up just yet. My question is whether or not the motherboard of most year-old computers would probably be good enough to accommodate high-powered graphics cards. Also, all other suggestions you have would be appreciated. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Very unlikely email browsing computers would be optimal for what you want. They are probably very inexpensive / minimal capabilities machines. Buy something appropriate from the Dell or Apple outlet and add your video cards etc.. I'm not the one to tell you the specs of that ... other to say that I know video editing wants high end machines. Try googling your question. Best or recommended computer specs for video editing. db Victor Subervi wrote: Hi; I need to build a machine that will enable me to edit video. I've been told I should have circa 16 gigs of RAM and two graphics cards. I also have an opportunity to pick up a desktop from a cyber cafe that's going out of business at a bargain price. The computers are only a year old. I don't know what they have and I'm not in a position to open it up just yet. My question is whether or not the motherboard of most year-old computers would probably be good enough to accommodate high-powered graphics cards. Also, all other suggestions you have would be appreciated. TIA, Victor * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Dec 3, 2009, at 1:31 PM, mike wrote: I think either way a good solid choice would be a mac...but how serious you are matters as to how much money you will have to spend. When Mike and I agree, you know we must be right. Get a Mac Pro and use it as is. The smaller model, the Quad Core, comes with 3GB RAM, which should suffice. The basic config supports dual monitors. Add to it Final Cut Suite or Final Cut Express if you are just starting out. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Find out what she is doing first. Budget is a constraint to some, she don't need no mac pro if she's wanting to edit a home movie of her dog playing in the pool and an imac would do just fine. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:36 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 3, 2009, at 1:31 PM, mike wrote: I think either way a good solid choice would be a mac...but how serious you are matters as to how much money you will have to spend. When Mike and I agree, you know we must be right. Get a Mac Pro and use it as is. The smaller model, the Quad Core, comes with 3GB RAM, which should suffice. The basic config supports dual monitors. Add to it Final Cut Suite or Final Cut Express if you are just starting out. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Victor Subervi victorsube...@gmail.com escribió: I need to build a machine that will enable me to edit video. I've been told I should have circa 16 gigs of RAM and two graphics cards. I also have an opportunity to pick up a desktop from a cyber cafe that's going out of business at a bargain price. The computers are only a year old. Victor, Why build a computer when you can buy one designed for video? Most Macs are designed out of the box to edit video, including some good editing and authoring software. What kind of video? Pro? Amateur? Home videos? Most pros I know use MacBook Pro notebooks if they're on site, iMacs or Mac Pros in studio. 16GB of RAM is excessive, since most computers can't use that much and most software can't either. You could use 6GB in a Mac Pro, but the software you'd need for that is about $1000 [FCP studio]. There may still be a free version of Avid DV, and there's Jahshaka open source. You don't need an extra video card with a Mac. It's built in. For special effects you might want a video card with more RAM in a Mac Pro, but probably won't need it. Do you do animation? I've been editing video on my 24 iMac lately. It's an early 2008 2.4GHz version, 3GB RAM. I also use my MacBook. What kind of video camera? Does it have FireWire? SD card? Is it HD? How will you transfer the video from your camera to your computer? FireWire is better. Don't buy or build a PC for video. It takes at least twice as long to get the same result as a Mac, if you can get it at all. I've edited film and video since the days of editing with a knife and tape, and did video on a Mac IIfx. You need a Mac. You won't regret it [since Amiga isn't around for video any more]. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Agreed. The only reason you'd build this thing yourself is if you already knew what you were doing. This doesn't preclude getting/building a pc, but if editing video is what you want to do and not build a pc and test it etc etc...look at Betty's advice. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:53 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Victor Subervi victorsube...@gmail.com escribió: I need to build a machine that will enable me to edit video. I've been told I should have circa 16 gigs of RAM and two graphics cards. I also have an opportunity to pick up a desktop from a cyber cafe that's going out of business at a bargain price. The computers are only a year old. Victor, Why build a computer when you can buy one designed for video? Most Macs are designed out of the box to edit video, including some good editing and authoring software. What kind of video? Pro? Amateur? Home videos? Most pros I know use MacBook Pro notebooks if they're on site, iMacs or Mac Pros in studio. 16GB of RAM is excessive, since most computers can't use that much and most software can't either. You could use 6GB in a Mac Pro, but the software you'd need for that is about $1000 [FCP studio]. There may still be a free version of Avid DV, and there's Jahshaka open source. You don't need an extra video card with a Mac. It's built in. For special effects you might want a video card with more RAM in a Mac Pro, but probably won't need it. Do you do animation? I've been editing video on my 24 iMac lately. It's an early 2008 2.4GHz version, 3GB RAM. I also use my MacBook. What kind of video camera? Does it have FireWire? SD card? Is it HD? How will you transfer the video from your camera to your computer? FireWire is better. Don't buy or build a PC for video. It takes at least twice as long to get the same result as a Mac, if you can get it at all. I've edited film and video since the days of editing with a knife and tape, and did video on a Mac IIfx. You need a Mac. You won't regret it [since Amiga isn't around for video any more]. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
